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HomeMy WebLinkAbout96Sept09 Golf Course Committee MinsGOLF COURSE CONSTRUCTION COMMITTEE SEPTEMBER 9, 1996 The regular meeting of the Golf Course Construction Committee was called to order by Chairman Walt Morrow. MEMBERS PRESENT: Grant Kingsford, Patsy Fedrizzi, Wally Lovan, John Ewing, Brad Watson: Morrow The first item on the agenda is a status report from Brad. Watson: As far as the construction going on out there I suppose Jake would be a better one to tell us exactly how far we are. If you want to talk about the budget I can do that. Morrow: Okay, let's switch to Jake and Jake can tell us where we are at and Terry can back him up and (inaudible) and then we will move to the budget after that. So (inaudible) Cook: Our irrigation right now we are finishing fairway number 6 today, heads are on through fairway number 5. So that it is totally complete that far. The irrigation is going fairly well and they are moving through pretty fast. Pipe work to connect the ponds is all excavated except for the ditch crossings and the canal crossing. They should be about done with the installation of all of that today. So we are in pretty good shape there. We are going to start grading the seed on fairways 1 through 3 tomorrow morning. Then other than that we are just ready for, to cut the bunkers. I talked to Wally about that and we are going to stake those. We are ready for those on the first five drains. Tee boxes are in pretty good shape and other than that the construction is going pretty quickly now. Morrow: Any problems of any kind that we can help you solve? Cook: Right now I don't think we have a whole lot of problems. There are a few things that I would like to address like we were constructing greens, the greens that we build and the tee boxes, I left the greens without top soil on some of them or the ones that we built because when we cored them we wanted to be able to put that fill someplace rather than having to haul it off. Or put it on top of the dirt that we had around the back of the greens: We pushed that off, now we have that graded. We have a little more time we are going to need for the heavy construction to top soil the backs of the greens, things like that that we left off in the beginning. I talked to Wally some about that. That is pretty much all of the heavy construction we have left to do other than just the fine grading around the greens and the grading of the fairways. Lovan: We have the picking of rocks on the number 2 fairway. Cook: A little rock picking, that was one thing. There is a little bit of haul off to do, I didn't know how you wanted to handle that. Whether that should be an end dump and we can load that up and haul it off on an hourly basis. Or if we had someone around there that does that kind of thing either way. But there is (inaudible) it is just stuff that the neighbors Golf Course Construction Committee September 9, 1996 Page 2 have thrown over that is out in the fainniays we cleaned up around the property lines. There are some concrete pieces. Kingsford: The dumping has pretty well stopped though hasn't it, the neighborhood they aren't putting any more over. This is just some that has been there. Cook: Yes, I just forgot to bring it up the last few times. It has been there all along, I think you (inaudible) I talked to you about it Brad when you were out there one time. There is not a whole lot, just something has to be done with it and I am sure (inaudible). Kingsford: (Inaudible) Lovan: It could be. Cook: He has been pretty good, he pushed a lot of the weeds (Inaudible) and then he hauled them off. He has been pretty good to work with so far out there. Morrow. (Inaudible) Cook: There are wood, trash, parts of a swing set, there are some chunks of concrete, it is a mix of everything. Kingsford: What would we be talking about for an hourly rate to (inaudible) Cook: I don't know, there are maybe 2 loads of stuff to haul off. (Inaudible) $65 an hour and you are probably talking 3 or 4 hours. Plus the dump charges. Morrow. Well the only place you can dump with contaminated stuff is Seaman's Gulch, you can't take it to anyone (inaudible). So you are talking then probably $250 plus the dump fee. So probably $400. So how does that fit into your budget (inaudible) Watson: Well I don't know, is it my turn? Morrov~r. (Inaudible) Watson: Well, there are a whole bunch of things that we need to look at. Cook: Maybe just another one to add to the list and see what is the most important. Before we go on to that, one other thing that we talked about earlier this morning is getting the electrical hooked up. I guess, are you going to take care of that Wally if we. In other words we don't have the new pump house and new pump extension. But my thinking is when we Golf Course Construction Committee September 9, 1996 Page 3 we will probably seed this weekend, good chance. We don't want to have people walking out to the valve boxes you know when you start your irrigation. So, everything is out there eon site to run this thing automatically but we have to get the 110 wired in someplace and the obvious place is in the old pump house. So I don't know who is going to do that. Lovan: You need this 110 though? Cook: We need to have that 110 this week hooked up temporarily in the old pump house. At least until the new pump house is up and it can be put in a permanent. Lovan: 30 amps or what? Cook: We can get you the specs on what they need, it is just to run the controllers right? Lovan: tt is not that much, I have a light hook up on the outside of that little building and all we have to do is just put in a connection box and run it down and put in (inaudible). Cook: Like a light socket, (inaudible) it is just 110 to run those controllers and then Hillside needs a days notice to put the boards in. But I would prefer once we pull the seeder the off the unless we have a plugged head or a stuck valve there may be repairs that have to be done out there. But the less we need to walk on the golf course the better finish we are going to ge#. That really should be done this week, get that wiring taken care of. I don't know, all the low voltage wiring is the responsibility of our contractor our sprinkling contractor and that will be taken care. But that other stuff we need to have somebody do that. Lovan: (Inaudible) Kingsford: Jake when you said that you were going to start the finish grading on the first three fairways does that indicate then that we are looking at planting three fairways first rather then the 4 or 5 that we were initially talking about? Cook: I think it is going to happen, I think it is going to keep rolling. But right now, actually the first three are ready in (Inaudible) so we are going to start with those and then I am sure, he is water settling four and five now, today and tomorrow. By the time we get the first three done we will go right on to four and five. He is far enough ahead of us I think he will be, he says in two weeks he will be done and finished and wrapped up completely. So I would think by that time we will just be about to nine and finish (inaudible). The other thing I think comes in to play here with some of the from three on, four, five and six, he is not real sure about his compaction. We are kind running a little short on time now to let him water enough to soak everything and then be so muddy that we can't grade it. That Golf Course Construction Committee September 9, 1996 Page 4 time table has changed now that we are getting to the end of things. Steve told me that he has purchased a wheel, a compaction wheel that is supposed to be here on Wednesday. So we are expecting him to get on out those fairways that haven't been water settled and wheel compact all of those. So we probably won't need to run as much water, shouldn't need to. So that is (inaudible) for the time being we are just kind of concentrating our work on those first three but if he does what he is supposed to do he should have four, five and six all compacted this week and most likely we will just follow right on around and do six also in this first go around. So, I think that is why that has changed a bit here. But we would like to see those six and then have seven, eight and nine left for a couple of weeks from now. Over there of course we have our open ditches for this pond connection piping which there seems to be noway to get that water shut off to do those ditch crossings. So, I guess Kingsford: We put our sleeves in (inaudible) is that what we are saying? Cook: I don't think they are in the wrong places but, on that big ditch we are a little, we just (inaudible) that close. But even the ditch crossings I am talking about are just (inaudible) So what I guess we are proposing there is check our work, it is all laid and open right now so you can do whatever you want. We are confident that it is in according to the plan and once it is approved we will go ahead cover it up. Then we will just have to make those ditch crossings later on when they turn the water off. Because they started talking to us about farmers crop and lawsuit and everything else if we turned that water off for even a day. We just wanted the little lateral tumed off going west down by the poplars there. We have three crossings there, three to make and vve couldn't even get that done for one day. Morrow: (Inaudible) Cook: Absolutely, I mean it hadn't run the whole time we had been out there until we started digging that trench between ponds three and four; it hadn't even been on. Cook, T.: Well it ran when we were there, right when we got there for a couple of days then it has been off. Cook: But now in the last two weeks it hasn't been able to be shut off for any period because of this critical watering that they are doing across the street there. Kingsford: (Inaudible) Cook: But anyway we decided we would leave it and come back to it (inaudible). Kingsford: What is the deal on the main sprinkler line that goes across number 3? Were Golf Course Construction Committee September 9, 1996 Page 5 we not in the right place for the sleeve for that? It is where he is going over (inaudible) what is the deal with it. Cook: Again we are just afraid to open that up, too close to that big head of water. (inaudible) Cook, T.: Plus there is that other lateral that is running now too that was opened up about three weeks ago for some reason, the one on west (inaudible). There are three ditches to cross, the southern crossing up closer to the club house you have to go under the three ditches which I assume that concrete ditch will be broken out or are we going to have to tunnel underneath that? Kingsford: I really don't know, that concrete ditch Wally again is that ours, does that get used? Lovan: It gets used. Kingsford: (Inaudible) Cook, T.: (Inaudible) they broke it out before I think. Lovan: It goes to dirt and then it picks up again in concrete again. Kingsford: I would say we wouldn't have to put it back in concrete, it has to be our ditch. We have to put the ditch (inaudible) Cook, T.: We can do that just break one joint out and that would be enough to get through there and go down to that sleeve. Morrow. Wait a minute in terms of that ditch is there pass through water that goes on down stream (inaudible) Kingsford: The cement is our ditch we just can't obstruct their water. Cook: There are three ditches there, one turns and goes west and one stops and the other one goes along the canal to the guy in the corner. Or I assume that is where it goes. Lovan: The one going south is not in use as far as I know, I would want to check it first. Cook, T.: That is just running full though (inaudible) Golf Course Construction Committee September 9, 1996 Page 6 Lovan: The one going to the south, toward Cherry Lane. The other two should be used. There are three also going north and only two of them are being used. So if we can knock one of those things out. Morrow: So we are pretty well satisfied then with those crossings (inaudible). Kingsford: I think that is (inaudible) Watson: We are replacing that culvert though aren't we, that is what happened last spring with Nampa Meridian, aren't those too small (Inaudible) Lovan: The 36 inch culvert that we used in the spring time has to be replaced with a 48 inch. Cook: Oh, in the big ditch there. Cook, T: We will want to do them whenever you do that. We could probably do that (inaudible) Morrow. My last question that I have written down is what happened with the elevation on that pond toward Black Cat, did, you were going to shoot that. Cook, T: I haven't done that yet. Morrow. So we don't know if that (inaudible) Lovan: There is one other little problem talking about ponds and over flows and so on, our main lake on the northwest corner is a little bit low. That water is sure lapping, it is about ready to run over. So we need to a little fill dirt in there. (Inaudible) Kingsford: That is where you are coming out with the connector pipe? Cook: Pretty close, there is a big pile of dirt right there by that practice (inaudible). Lovan: I suppose it needs to go up at least a foot. Cook: So that is going to be acceptable then if we do that and the rest of the top soil and around the (inaudible) like we were before with the construction of the greens. I guess that was my point with, I just wanted everybody to be aware that we had some more dirt work Golf Course Construction Committee September 9, 1996 Page 7 to be done. Kingsford: Do we have an accounting of where we stand on that on the (inaudible) Cook: I think we are at about $18,000 the last time Kingsford: So we are still well under the (inaudible). Watson: I have $18,500 through the end of July and then there were a couple of hours August first and second that I don't have. Morrow. So we are probably $19,000 is that safe to say to date (inaudible). Kingsford: Well (inaudible) Morrow: John, you have questions? Ewing: Well I have a couple, on that when you started that rock picking that went back on that hourly rate too didn't it? Like on two there was quite a bit of rock and haven't you started that and that goes on that hourly rate. Cook: Well I haven't really done too much of that. I have just pushed that stuff out of the way and kind of piled it. I haven't picked up any of the rocks yet. We, I guess we haven't done, there is maybe an hour of that, I was just kind of. Ewing: I thought we have been nipping away at that $24,900 and whatever it is dollars all along off and on. I was a little surprised when we skipped a couple of hours in August. I thought we had more than that. I think that is pretty important that try to stay because that is a budget number not that I think wee should quit when we reach that but we need to keep a pretty close eye on that. Maybe you can look at that and firm it up. Cook: Where we are at? Ewing: Do you have that firmed up? Kingsford: I think for our purposes where we are really (Inaudible) it would be nice if we had a fair handle (inaudible) to do the backs of the greens. Do you have that kind of a number for us. Ewing: I think if we could have basically a number of everything you know. We know that we have trash to haul, if we can kind of have an itemized deal we have the back of the Golf Course Construction Committee September 9, 1996 Page 8 greens we have got rock picking, we got anything you can think of that you can foresee and I don't think I am looking to hold you to it if something pops up it pops up but at least if you guys right now I think out of everybody in the room you have a better handle on when these need to be done than anybody else in here. If we can get an idea that the $5000 we have left if going to cover all of that miscellaneous it would certainly hell us on some of these other decisions. Another thing, Jake, you know Grant brought it up and I am still, it still kind of bugs me a little bit on that crossing on three. If we have our sleeves going underneath that culvert why are we, and I know it is just a temporary deal but we are 50 foot to the north where we are jumping up and going over and hitting another main and taking off. So that means that when the water goes out of the ditch and you are doing planting and everything we have to dig back and I am just guessing on the 50 feet, but dig to the south, cross under the ditch, dig back to the north to hit, if we hit the same place we tied in and that just seems very strange for the sprinkler guy to do that to me. I think he would be, although if he ran up there and crossed right there where the culvert is at (inaudible) I guess it is the only thing I can think of but I think it would be closer, it could be closer. Cook: I talked to him a little bit about that, the reason that main line is where it is at is he is trying to keep it as close to scale on the plan because he is under a number of fittings. If he moves the main line from this way all through the fairway then he has to have different fittings. I guess what I am saying is the valves are designed off the main line a certain way and that is the way it is taken off on the plan. So he is trying to put it in as close to possible, as possible to the plan, that way it fits the detail of the fittings that he has. Ewing: So what are you telling me that our sleeve is in the wrong place? KINGSFORD: When we move those culverts we will also want to take up that sleeve and move it up there? Cook: That was going to be my suggestion maybe, that if it doesn't matter to anybody where that crossing is I guess it would be a little closer to the green. But, would it make a difference (inaudible) Lovan: (Inaudible) we would get rid of those 90 degree angles too. Morrow: Well the deal is that what we have got is (inaudible) we have the sleeve in the wrong spot. (Inaudible) Kingsford: We beat our head against a wall anyway we thought by putting in the sleeve we would be able to hook that up (Inaudible) it is too short of a sleeve to accomplish that Golf Course Construction Committee September 9, 1996 Page 9 and we wasted our time last spring (inaudible). Cook: I guess we can't answer that, we didn't have the courage to find out if it was far enough out or have the inclination to take that risk at the time. I think that is part of the problem with where that main line ended up too. I think when he was coming up number 3 there, we didn't know that there was, (inaudible) where the sleeves were. That came up here a couple of weeks ago that we found out they were stubbed out but fairly close to the ditch bank. So, kind of between then and now we have decided let's not flood the whole project here let's make a temporary and keep going. So I guess part of this relocation has to happen, we will just have to make that work if we can if it needs to be done. Cook, T: Well if there is no difference, for you guys on where the sleeve goes and we save money in fittings and everything else where you don't have 90 that main line. Kingsford: Well as well as the (inaudible) Lovan: If you don't go straight across you are putting four more 90 degree elbows which is going to cut down on your volume. Morrow. (Inaudible) Cook, T.: The other one I think is alright, because I have just taken off out of the pond and I am done on both sides with that other one. So I think it will be okay. (Inaudible) Kingsford: Gary would probably remember or pardon me who was it, Tim was it. Are they 12's (Inaudible) I was thinking wee were talking about 8's and I think it either ended up being 10's or 12's. We talked about hooking it up with 6 inch pipe originally. Morrow: Wasn't the conversation as I recall that we were (inaudible) because (inaudible) Lovan: I think it is 12. (Inaudible) Morrow. Any other questions John? Ewing: No, I just think that Jake, you will try to get the spec sheet to Wally tomorrow on the amps you need for that 110 outlet and Wally you will have that to him by the end of the week. Golf Course Construction Committee September 9, 1996 Page 10 Cook: Yes because like (inaudible) good deal to have that wired and operational so we can test it before we start seeding. That way if there is anything wrong (inaudible) Ewing: Actually maybe we should leave it at you will get it tomorrow and you will get it as quick as you can and let him know. Because I think everyday would count. If we can have it by Wednesday it is not going to be any too soon. (Inaudible) Cook: We need to get those cut right away. So all of that finish grade work can be completed around the greens. Lovan; (Inaudible) Morrow: Okay it is a commitment on your part Wally to have the bunkers staked by tomorrow morning and then after that (Inaudible) Jake at the same time will give you the information for the power requirements. We will get that done so that we should have that power for their test operation by Wednesday. That will give them a days grace in terms of some sort of failure and if there are none so be it and then you go (inaudible). Cook: Towards the weekend I think, is there any, have we got anything in the spec on a coverage test for that sprinkling system. (Inaudible) Kingsford: On that subject and I haven't looked at the design even, but I guess when I went out there and looked at the main line along number 3 where it crosses (inaudible) four inch pipe as I recall. I expected that to be bigger I guess, this doesn't at all feed off of there going around? Cook: The six inch comes all the way back at that point from the other way. Kingsford: So it is a bigger pipe coming the other way. Cook,T.: The six inch came around down to about half way and then it when down to a four inch. And then the six inch goes the other way Cook: Halfway down to where, you mean halfway down to 3 to six inch? Cook,T.: Fairway 2 Golf Course Construction Committee September 9, 1996 Page 11 Cook: And then it goes to four inch and it crosses the ditch? Cook, T.: It crosses the ditch at four inch and right on the other side of the ditch is six inch again. Kingsford: So we will be looking at planting the first six or seven (inaudible) Lovan: It is looped. Kingsford: Oh it is looped already. Lovan: Well no it isn't. Kingsford: It won't be looped when we plant the first bunch. So we can't really (inaudible) Cook: You will have the same coverage you just won't be able to run as many valves at one time. We are right now running on down there on five we are running I think we had six on today then I had three on number one so valves at one time we still had good pressure. It just depends on how far away you take, the farther away you get the less you will be able to run out there on the end. But you will still have the pressure there by the pump. So with a little bit of organization I don't think it will be that big of a deal. Then, the water is going to be out in about a month so it should be too long and we will be able to put those together hopefully. As soon as the water is out of the ditch that would be nice to get that looped up and finished. Kingsford: You think with less volume of water we will still be able to keep that wet for the planting? Cook: I think so Morrow: Other issues for (inaudible) Ewing: You will check on that pond? Cook: I will shoot that in the morning. (Inaudible) Cook: Just the elevation of where our outlet pond (inaudible) pond number 3 in comparison to the bank on the west side over by green S. I haven't told you about it, it is something that they brought up on was it Thursday or Friday when you were out there. That was by Golf Course Construction Committee September 9, 1996 Page 12 design that would be a bit high there. That is so close to make it work there it was my understanding, 1 helped (inaudible) and when we talked to you about it you said well it is a good chance that bank will need to be built up there a bit because we wanted to be sure that we got enough fall. Watson: That pond, that number 3 one is really kind of a problem because it is shallow but if you go an deeper you may lose your ceiling layer. There may need to be some banking done there. Cook: That was my understanding when we talked about it, when we first started to dig that, that is the first line we put in, three to four. We stood there and shot that and we said this pipe is, in fact I think I called you about that. We are almost laying right on the surface here. And the comment or it came up in a conversation that we may need to bank that a little higher might be another spot we need to bring some top soil and just kind of feather that grade in. Because the pipe needed to be on the elevation to get our flow. Watson: It may need to be higher just for the sake of getting the water surface higher to push it through the pipe. Because that particular pipe does have a dip in it, it is not a positive grade all the way. Cook: As it gets down to the road crossing. Watson: Yes Cook: It has a little swale in it. There is no other way to make it work. So that probably is going to need some dirt around there. Lovan: What do we do about freezing winter time, anything? Cook: We talked about drainage. Watson: When we cross that ditch that is when we are going to have to take care of that. Cook: Well we talked about some drains that all three of those road crossings on that drainage pipe. Putting a saddle on the pipe and a little one inch line out or something. Lovan: I remember now. Cook: I don't know if anybody ever said put them in but it was discussed. Hillside came back vvit a number extra parts. Golf Course Construction Committee September 9, 1996 Page 13 Watson: Did they? Cook: Yes, you never did see that? Watson: I don't think I have seen that, because the last I heard was when we were out there talking about. Cook: He gave me some numbers, I will talk to him about that again. We were going to dig an extra hole a little deeper, a little gravel drain. I know all of these little extras keep coming up and all of the sudden you have more extras than you want. When you start looking at Watson: Well I know it seems like We just keep chasing this budget. Lovan: That pond there looks to me like the east end is considerably higher than west end. I am just visually Iboking, the pond there on number 8. Cook: Number 3 pond? Lovan: Number 3 pond, the west end. Ewing: The west end is lower. Lovan: The west end is lower than the upper end on the east side. Cook: I am sure it probably is, you mean just the bank? (Inaudible) that is the way the ground falls, I am sure it is. Lovan: That bank is going to have to be built up. Ewing: I think it is real important though that we don't let, there are lots of things we can cut short on and can be fixed later or added later but things like these drains going under the road stuff I think that is really a real important issue that and I am glad you brought that up because if we just talk about and don't do it then it freezes and breaks it is going to be an expensive son of a gun. What will happen is we just won't use the ponds probably because there won't be money to do it. So I think, if you can get that to us quick I think that is just a necessary thing. I think, I want to tell you, I don't like all of these change orders at all coming in but I would rather you bring them up where it is our choice too. Because I think this is the little bit of price we are paying by not having it, designing it as we go. I don't know why we are having so many. I don't know why Grant isn't catching that stuff. (Inaudible) you just can't do it, but I don't want you to think that number one we like it but Golf Course Construction Committee September 9, 1996 Page 14 we don't want you to quit bringing it up. Because we need that help bad to make sure that it works. Morrow. To take off from that I think that anything that is in the ground you have to right. Because if you don't you are upside down forever. So let's press forward (inaudible) Cook: While we are on that thought, one other thing that I think is extremely important is that we get to this finish stage on the grading, it is basically the same thing that you are saying is we have been authorized with two discing, two land planings, two seed bed tool crossings and two seedings. But I think it is extremely important when we get down, you are talking about the grade on the tee box and to get them where they mow properly. I think we need you with us almost all of the time out there now and because it is easy for us to fix the grade. It is going to be a change order and there is going to be a little expense in involved in it. But it isn't going to be anything compared to what it cost to fix it if it is not right when we put the seed in the ground and the grass is up. Lovan: And we don't want lakes in the middle of the fairways. Cook: Exactly and whether or not you can accomplish that with three more trips over that ground with the farm equipment that we have got I don't know that we can guarantee you we can do that. But you need to say to us if you don't think it is right and before we start that seeder running because once that is on then it gets real expensive to fix it. Trying to get dirt onto the fairways, trying to get it dried up without losing the seeding what established grass we may have. Ewing: I feel like if you have a good feel though of what needs to happen and then there is a constant, it is not quite enough, there is a good chance that 3 times will do it. But if it doesn't it doesn't. I guess the point I am making is it has to be a constant deal, we can't wait until you are all done and say don't like it. I feel like right now we have pushed this thing so far into the fall that to me and I am probably the only one that feels that, that is on top of the ground and wee got to get you planted. I guess if you don't get the satisfaction of having the guidance of getting it right or there has to be a time you have just got to plant and I think if you are going to go on those first three I think if it is not done by Saturday if that is when you are going to plant you ought to plant anyway. That is my feeling, I certainty everybody else here we can talk about it later but we can only fiddle around so long and we are not going to have anything green. Morrow. I think what he is saying though John is that over the course of the next four days Wally has to be almost a constant companion with them and work their way through it. Basically I think what Terry is proposing is doable and meet that schedule but it is contingent upon Wally being there all of the time. Golf Course Construction Committee September 9, 1996 Page 15 Ewing: Walt you heard exactly what I heard and I guess I just went a step further and said if it isn't if Wally isn't there for whatever reason I am saying plant it. That is what I am saying and we just cannot way any longer. We can discuss this more but I am feeling like we have got them down to the wire now that we have snow balls chasing them. Kingsford: Terry, is this a time frame just in terms of the speed it takes you to plant, how long physically to drill? Cook, T.: That is not going to be the big thing, I think the big thing is going to be seeding the (inaudible) the drilling will go fairly fast it is just that (inaudible) Kingsford: You are looking at doing green and fairway continuously through, you are going to do the whole schmere as you go. Cook: What we want to do is and there is a fair amount of time involved in the finish prep work on those greens. We need to take the cover off and get that totally raked out and perfect. Before we will seed those greens just prior to the drill seeding that goes on. In other words we don't' want to come in and seed all of the fairways and then have our guys walking back and forth onto the green and tracking, picking up bluegrass seed and tracking that all through, that needs to be a clean bed grass seeding done. So ideally the way it should work is when we get closer after we get some of our heavier rough grading down and we think we are getting pretty close then we will uncover those greens, do that finish, rake that out perfect, put a little bit of (inaudible) spread the grass seed, rake that all in lightly. Then hopefully we walk away from that green surface and while we have been doing that our (inaudible) has started in that fairway. So we are running back and forth. With that ten foot (inaudible) we can go out there and seed 40 acres and (inaudible) in a day. It is a little slower because when we start crossing we are going to have a little shorter runs but really and sprinkler heads to work around. It is a little longer than a days time but in a couple days time you will be surprised how much we can seed. So the real intensive labor part comes with the finish work right around the greens and on the greens and getting that seed down and getting the timing right so that when we pull away from number one everything is seeded we don't have to go back out there. We are done, just turn the water on and never get on it again. Ideally if you didn't have any problems, that very seldom happens. You are going to have plugged heads and things to fix. That is what we would be shooting for out there when we start our seeding operation. I think Hillside with the irrigation is far enough ahead of us now we should be able to just go one to the next and follow right through. I am kind of hoping and I know we said we were going to seed on Labor Day and that didn't happen and we are a week behind already. But then we have these, there have been things with the crossings and this and things that have held us up. But I am kind of hoping right now that we can just get going this week on that finish grade work and follow those sprinkling guys right out. They basically only have three Golf Course Construction Committee September 9, 1996 Page 16 more holes to build there and nine is a big one. There is a lot of work out there for them on nine. When they go out down there by the new parking lot on nine I am hoping that we are right there in two weeks. So I see the last couple of fairways getting seeded toward the last week in September. Which I don't think that is a big problem with getting the grass growing, I think we have a couple of good weeks of watering and all of that should happen. I just, the reason I bring up this grading issue is that you just, Ewing: It has to be done. Cook: It has to be done and if you want it right you have to do it right now. Not do it and then hope that you can fix it later. All that entails is a lot of, there is really noway to fix it other than putting in drainage and if you have yourself a low spot it stays a low spot. Lovan: I don't like to talk about other (Inaudible) is a prime example. They got in too big a hurry. Morrow. So the key to success there is Wally working them (inaudible) Cook: It is really the next three weeks. Lovan: And then it is my eye sight (Inaudible) Cook: A good way to check it is during the, you get a big rain, a big thunderstorm and you will see where you have those bird baths. But all of that takes some time that we may or may not have right now. Lovan: If we have the low spots and we seed it and the water sits there it is going to kill the grass anyway. Cook: I think most of that ground has fairly good positive drainage, I don't right off the top of my head but you know when you start talking about adding some soil around the ponds and well that changes the drainage out there. You may go to pond three and you may have to build that up two feet and feather that in out here someplace. Well someplace out here that grade and this grade off the berm come together. You can't just go Aver that one more time or two more times and maybe take care of some of those things. So from here on we need you almost all of the time out there. I guess the other part of my comments here is if it takes some extra work do you want to pay to do some more or do you want to just let it go and put the grass on what we got. But that becomes an issue too because I know there is budget constraints here that have to be dealt with ancf so much money left to spend. But that is where we are at with that. Golf Course Construction Committee September 9, 1996 Page 17 Cook, T: Right now in the farm equipment process we have done the discing twice and one land planing. Which is the land leveling, we have one more time over it with that and then the ground (inaudible) which does some leveling but the land plane is really the tool that does the (inaudible) Cook: And I am not saying that we, you guys have been real fair with us about adding dirt and if we need some more scraper time and I am not saying if we have a little place and we have to go back and pull a little more dirt in and it takes (inaudible). I am just saying if we run into one of those big old swales and we maybe have to bring the scraper for half a day and bring in a couple hundred yards out of your (inaudible) if you want us to do that. Kingsford: Of course that is something (inaudible) as much lead time as you can give us so we can look at those numbers and set our priorities (inaudible). Cook: Those things just happen day by day, that is why I am saying it takes now Cook, T.: You can have, you can be aware of them, I can report to you as soon as they come up if that is the field decision. I can get a hold of somebody I am sure, Brad, I talk to him frequently and Wally is going to be there. That is not something that we have to wait for every Monday on. (Inaudible) Morrow. (Inaudible) Ewing: I think if you could get us back tomorrow on that $25,000 that is a big issue with me on where we are at on that. Morrow. (Inaudible) Ewing; That is what I am saying, I guess I am feeling like, well we can, talk about it. We have got that locked into our budget right now. Kingsford: The reality of it is what we don't spend there goes into (inaudible) Lovan: If we work on number 8 is that in part of your original bid (inaudible) is this separate, the pond there? (Inaudible) Lovan: Brad and I were talking out there a couple of days ago. If we say took a foot of soil Golf Course Construction Committee September 9, 1996 Page 18 out of the pond itself that would make a little deeper and use that as fill dirt to do our berms and build the bank up. Is that feasible, would that cost us extra or is that part of the original or is this something new. Cook, T.: That would probably have to be under the hourly rate (inaudible). Cook: Number thraee pond was cut on an hourly basis, that work was started with this -$25,000 not to exceed and"can you guys put in the rest of the berms and (End of Tape)