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HomeMy WebLinkAboutAugust 12, 2003 CC MinutesMeridian City Council Meeting August 12, 2003 Page 32 of 72 that. As I said, most of this doesn't relate to anything current. If there is an issue regarding returning the lane to its prior condition, that condition either has been met or not and if it hasn't, then, that's an issue between homeowners and the developer and not the city. The issue about the truck traffic -- or the construction traffic, that's a continuing obligation that Mr. Grove needs to continue to meet, which from what his testimony is he is meeting that. I guess I will see where this goes. What I will do is I will move to deny the request under FP 03-038 -- excuse me. I will move to approve in part and deny in part FP 03-038, the request far conditions of approval in the Final Plat for Packard Estates No. 2 by the City of Meridian. To reflect that on this Final Plat order, condition 20 but amended to reflect that the Ada County Highway District has made subsequent findings of February 27, 2002 in relation to East Challis Street and Wingate Lane and just leave it at that. That Condition 22, the request to amend or remove that condition, that we deny that request to remove it, and we leave it as with direction to the staff that there is no enforceability as to the preexisting condition of the lane. The only enforceable provision left is the condition -- continuing condition about no construction traffic will be allowed to access Wingate Lane. That counsel prepared Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law and Decision and Order pursuant to that. Bird: Second. Corrie: Okay. Motion has been made and seconded. I'm glad we have it on the record here. I don't want to try to repeat that. Any further discussion? Okay. Hearing none, roll call vote, Mr. Berg. Roll call: McCandless, aye; Nary, aye; de Weerd, aye; Bird, aye. Corrie: All four ayes. Motion is approved. MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES Item 11. Public Hearing: AZ 03-009 Request for annexation and zoning of 11 acres from RUT to R-15 (PD) and C-N zones for proposed The Courtyards at Ten Mile by Doug Campbell /Tom Bevan / DTE Developers -southeast corner of North Ten Mile Road and West Pine Avenue: Item 12. Public Hearing: PP 03-010 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 31 building lots and 5 other lots on 11 acres in proposed R-15 (PD) and C-N zones for proposed The Courtyards at Ten Mile by Doug Campbell / Tom Bevan /DTE Developers -southeast corner of North Ten Mile Road and West Pine Avenue: Item 13. Public Hearing: CUP 03-020 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for attached single-family residential with commercial in proposed R-15 (PD) and C-N zones for proposed The Courtyards at Ten Mile by Doug Campbell /Tom Bevan /DTE Developers -southeast corner of North Ten Mile Road and West Pine Avenue: Meridian City Council Meeting August 12, 2003 Page 33 of 72 Corrie: All right. Item Number 11, Number 12, and Number 13 are Public Hearings on the Courtyards at Ten Mile by Doug Campbell. One is the annexation and zoning of 11 acres from an RUT to an R-15 PD and C-N zones for the proposed Courtyards at Ten Mile by Doug Campbell, Tom Bevin, developers. The PP 03-010, request for Preliminary Plat approval of 31 building lots and five other lots on 11 acres, and the CUP is a request for a Conditional Use Permit for attached single family residents with commercial and proposed R-15 PD and C-N zones for the Courtyards at Ten Mile. If -- hearing no objections, I will open the Public Hearing on 11, 12, and 13 and we will hear from staff first and, then, we will have the comments from people who have signed up to -- either or against or neutral on that. How many are here to give testimony at this time? One, two, three, four, five -- okay. Let's -- can you get it all done in three minutes or do you want five? Three? Three. I have been up since 8:00 o'clock Sunday morning, so -- okay. We will give the developer three minutes and, then the for and against three minutes and the developer has a -- answer the questions that are brought up by the people in the audience and, then, we will take it from there. We will start with staff comments first. Powell: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, this is a project for an annexation, Preliminary Plat, and Conditional Use Permit for a Planned Development, as you said. It is located on Ten Mile and Pine. This property is currently in the county, but they are planning to build the new Baptist church there and, then, the railroad line runs there. It is noted as being mixed use neighborhood - mixed-use community on the Comprehensive Plan. Currently, there are a few homes located here, -but it's the only development on the property at this point. You can tell from the surrounding uses it's largely R-4 here. This project was previously approved for medium density residential development, but I believe that conditional use has expired. I'm going to skip forward to our best Site Plan. This, actually, works fairly well just to describe the layout. The entrance is off of Ten Mile and, then, there is an exit out here on Pine. Have I got this right? Wait a minute. I'm confused. Okay. The entrance is here. Sorry. Then, it goes through the commercial area and, then, there is an entrance onto Pine also. These are the commercial buildings and they are proposing apartments on top of those commercial uses, largely retail on the first floor and, then, apartments -- lofts on the second. These are a series of four-plexes, but they are platted in two lots, so there are, essentially, attached duplexes, but they are four units to the building. Here you can see the layout of the Landscape Plan for the commercial areas. The buildings are fairly small in nature with the parking wrapping around and exiting there and, then, kind of a collector system here to get to those four-plex units. These are some elevations of the proposed commercial and, again, there would be lofts on top in these areas. More elevations. On the four-plexes, they have proposed a unique design. Again, there is a lot line going through here, so each --this area would be two units -- downstairs and an upstairs. You can see the stairwell there. They would have a garage out front. There are actually two one-car garages side by side, so each unit in the building would get one garage, and it's angled so that you don't have a monotonous look out in front. You're not looking just flat on at those units. Then, here is a carport and another carport here, so each unit has a garage and, then, a carport for it. We worked carefully with the applicant to make sure that there was enough room here and enough backing out space Meridian City Council Meeting August 12, 2003 Page 34 of 72 and, then, they have added some colored concrete -- you see those kind of curvy lines indicate different materials. This is how it would look and these are the angled garages out in front. They have added -- they added some vines here across the front to soften that look and they have also added some windows in the garage doors to soften the appearance there. There is also a vine system in the -- kind of the courtyard created by these -- between the two garages, so there are vines and some landscaping back there as well. I apologize for this plat. It's very difficult to read. Each of the commercial properties does have frontage on a road and, then, each of the lots has frontage on a road here. For the PUD, they are asking for reduced front setbacks. The city requirement is 20 for a garage and they are asking for 18 feet for the garage. The rear they are asking for ten feet, instead of 15 feet, and the side they are asking far a straight five-foot, rather than five foot per story. They are also asking for residential lofts to be placed above retail buildings and to allow the cul-de-sac street to be 497 feet. On the annexation, this portion would be zoned C-N and that's approximately 4.7 acres, and the remainder of it would be 4.5 acres and that would be zoned R-15. They do have a common tot lot in this area here. At the Planning and Zoning Commission, there were three members of the public that testified in opposition or expressed concerns and those concerns were largely about the traffic that would be coming from the high school down Pine Street to connect with Ten Mile. One member of the public did testify in support of the project. The Commission made some minor changes regarding the deletion of a couple of conditions approval, because there was no phasing proposed. Regarding the guest parking out in front of the four-plexes in these little areas here, they wanted to make sure that the applicant was aware that that could not be permanent parking, but that temporary guest parking was okay. The Commission did hear a lot of - - as I said, heard a lot of testimony about the traffic on Pine and they did have concerns about this, but they felt that it was within the purview of ACHD, rather than theirs. They did encourage the applicant to work with ACRD to come to some resolution on that intersection. With that, I'll end staffs comments. Corrie: All right, Counsel, any questions, or discussion with staff? Okay. The developer is next. Yes. If you can do it in three. Raise your right hand, please. Is the testimony you're about to give the Council the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Ralphs: Yes. Corrie: Thank you. Ralphs: Mayor and Members of the Council, my name is Rod Ralphs I reside at 2730 North Greenbelt Place in Meridian. I'm here on behalf of DT Development. We are the developers of this project. As staff indicated, we are in agreement on just everything. I did want to address the one issue as far as putting an all way stop there at the intersection of Pine and Ten Mile. I know there is some concern there. I have spoken with ACRD and I wanted to go over some of the things that they have given me on that. They have certain criteria that they look at before they will put in an all way stop there. Currently, there is just one stop sign there at Pine. The criteria they would look at before they would ever put in an all way stop at that site, keeping in mind that this is all Meridian City Council Meeting August 12. 2003 Page 35 of 72 part of a five year plan where there is going to be a light and expanded lanes. In order for them to put an all way stop in there currently, it would, number one, have to be urgently needed. Now, if you talk the residents there, they would say that need is now. There are additional requirements, however, and the other one would be is they would look at five accidents or more in the last 12 months. They would exclude rear-enders, head-ons, or drug and alcohol related accidents. What they would be more looking at that point would be for any kind of turning accidents. The traffic count I think here is key and this is the one thing I would ask the Council to focus on when we are looking at an all way stop here. In order for them to generate an all way stop sign off of Ten Mile onto Pine, you would have to have 300 cars per hour per eight hours. Now, we have rushes in the morning, we have rushes in the evening at that location, we also have increased traffic for lunch where the kids are heading off to Albertson's and, then, also when school gets out. It's not consistent and it's not over an eight-hour period. Coming off of Pine onto Ten Mile, you would need 200 cars per hour per the eight-hour period. That count is not there. Now, these are preliminary findings and we have asked them to do a full site evaluation for that, notwithstanding their preliminary estimations. This particular iritersection is on ACHD's radar screen and that's why they had some of this information so readily available to me. The other thing that they would look at is if the approach speeds to any of these intersections were in excess of 40 miles an hour or more. Currently, the Ten Mile speed limit is 35 and the one on Pine is 30, and, then, the other one that they would look at is if they had a bad sight distance. If you had some buildings right there at the corner or if you had a lot of mature landscaping, or changing in elevation, those kinds of things. Out of those five or six criteria, that I just gave you, other than the one that the residents there in the area would probably assert that they urgently need it none of the others would comply. Having said that, we are still waiting to have the findings come back from ACHD. There was also some discussion about putting a bus stop on the property to address some of the needs for the young ones coming across Ten Mile and getting on board. We are very reluctant to do that, not that we don't want to provide a bus stop for young ones, but right now if we were to do that on that side of Ten Mile. Where these children are coming from west of Ten Mile, that would require an unguarded or an unsecured crossing of Ten Mile to get to a bus stop that we provided. We are very reluctant to provide any kind of an attraction or any kind of a destination far these children while they are waiting for a bus. In the afternoon when they get off the bus, they have the bus there, it's got its flashers on, it's got its stoplights going, and they don't have that problem. The concern would be in the morning when they are trying to get to that bus stop. I have nothing further. I will just field any questions you might have or wait until after the other comments are made. Corrie: Questions? De Weerd: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. De Weerd: So, in your housing areas you're planning that that will have kids in it? Ralphs: Certainly. Meridian City Council Mee[ing August 12, 2003 Page 36 of 72 De Weerd: And have you talked with the school district on -- would they bus those kids? Ralphs: Councilwoman de Weerd, there are two school districts that have access -- or would have students coming from that. The first being Chaparral, which is a year around program, which there would be no busing provided. The other one would be Peregrine, which is a traditional year, and they would bus from that location. De Weerd: Okay. Where do they think the kids are going to walk? Ralphs: Well, we would have sidewalks around our property there and, then, you would also have sidewalks that are immediately to the north and west where that church site and where Mosher's Farms ties in. De Weerd: There are sidewalks there? Ralphs: Well, there would be one that comes to -- there is a sidewalk that comes south from Mosher's Farms, I believe just the other side of the drain there, and, then, our sidewalks would come there with the cut outs -- cuts and everything there at the southeast corner so, there is a gap of sidewalks for children going to Chaparral. De Weerd: And that's a pretty narrow gap with very busy traffic. Ralphs: That's correct. De Weerd: Correct? Okay. Nary: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: Mr. Ralphs, I heard you say that this was on the five year plan for the highway district and it was intended to have basically more lanes and a light, but where in the five year plan is this? Ralphs: 2007 is the construction and at that point, there will be two phases, one from Franklin to just south of Pine and, then, the other phase is from Pine to Cherry Lane. Part of those improvements is to bring Ten Mile up to a five lane -- two lanes with a center turn, up to just south of Pine. Then, the light would go in and, then, Pine at that point would have three lanes, you would have a left turn lane there on Pine going onto Ten Mile and, then, you would have five lanes proceeding north on Pine to Cherry Lane. Nary: Then, would this development be contributing to that stop light and that intersection change or any of that? Meridian City Council Meeting August 12, 2003 Page 37 of 72 Ralphs: You know, I don't know as far as what the impact fees are. I know that we are accommodating are sidewalks to accommodate their time frame. In fact, in your packets when you look at the comments from ACHD to one of the residents out there, they indicated that a lot of the changes that we would be proposing, it's hard to address those, because they are so short term and the improvements for these upgrades on Ten Mile and Pine are so near. De Weerd: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. De Weerd: Are you phasing this project? Ralphs: No. De Weerd: So, you wouldn't do the front part and leave the housing out until you had more adequate sidewalk and road system to support it? Ralphs: Actually, what we anticipate is that the residential would be developed first, just as a matter of time. The commercial could go at anytime, but just knowing what the commercial market is right now, we would expect the residential being developed first, not as part of any kind of a formal phasing program, but just that's what the market is indicating right now. Corrie: Okay. Any further questions? Okay. Thank you. Ralphs: Thank you. Corrie: We'll start with the four. I have got one name. Dave Fuller. Fuller: Good evening, Bob. I do swear. Corrie: Okay. Is the testimony you are about to give the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Fuller: Yes, it is. Corrie: I'm going to ask you a question now and make sure I have got this together. You're -- right across the street on Pine is your property; right? Fuller: Ten-four. Yes. Corrie: Thank you. All right. De Weerd: Name and address. Corrie: Oh, I'm sorry. Name and address. Meridian City Council Mee[ing August 12, 2003 Page 38 of 72 Fuller: David S. Fuller, 890 North Ten Mile. I am right on the corner just north of this project. Corrie: I guess I know you. I forgot. Fuller: I support the project, because we need the development in the area. I told the developer the only thing I had against it was there was nothing that was three stories. If you remember the old three-story, project on my place but two stories are okay. A little bit of concern -- I talked to them about the roads, turn lanes, and the stop. The stop is going to cause more problems for the traffic and the hazard, because it will back everybody up there for, oh, probably clear back to the churches to Cherry Lane. The turn lanes and widening it out, it would be real nice if they could -- if they are going to develop the commercial maybe second behind the condominium section, if they could widen it enough -- the problem is there is we need to get Ada County out there and look at that. I mean they might know about it, but it's a real hazard -- there is not even enough room to walk around that intersection. I support the project, but as we heard in that deal when my project being considered, is there is sidewalks going nowhere. I don't care about sidewalks, let's just try to widen the shoulder of the road with gravel, so people can get out of the lanes of traffic, if we can, and I know I talked with Doug there a little bit about Mosher place and widening it so the people could at least walk down the road. I'm all for the convenience store, but we have got to have it accessible and it's up to you guys to try to work with the developer here to try to make it as accessible as possible and -- with right of ways. I would sure like to see the foot traffic be able to access it, but it's going to be real tough, unless we can come to some kind of agreement on that road right of way and Ada County can get involved with it -- I mean it's all right to do two or three years down the road. What about next summer, you know, that's just next summer. I support the project. I hope you guys can get the developer to make it accessible as soon as possible and that's all I have to say. Thank you. Corrie: Thank you. Okay. Let's go to the neutrals first and, then, we will have those against it. I have Joe Derosier. Is Joe here today? Oh, yes. Sorry, Joe. Is the testimony you are about to give the Council the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Derosier: Yes. Corrie: Thank you. Derosier: My name is Joe Derosier I live at 1162 North Lightning Place, north farther than the Valerie project towards Cherry Lane. There are others that are going to talk about the traffic issues and those decisions that were made before. My question to the developer is he indicated that the residential would go in first, but it wasn't going to be a phased project, it was going to be all completed -- or constructed at one time. What was the final construction date for all of the buildings to be completed? Because it sounds like to me that if the residential goes in first, we can wait two, three, four years for the commercial, because he indicated that it's going to based on what the market at Meridian City Council Meeting August 12, 2003 Page 39 of 72 this point is indicating. The other concern that -- what type of retail does he plan on putting in there, if it's a convenience store or something like that, that's one thing, but is it going to be a bar? Is it going to be -- those are the types of -- what type of retail is he going to be putting into that project and those are the only two questions I have. Thank you. Corrie: We will answer those. Irma. Is the testimony you are about to give the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Atkinson: It is. Corrie: Name and address, please. Atkinson: Irma Atkinson, 1124 North Lightning, which is just south of Joe's place and north of Dave's place, somewhere in there. I'll be as brief as I possibly can. My concerns -- I think I echo the concerns about the schools. I believe either way, whether it's Chaparral or Peregrine, they will be bused. My kids are bused. We are just across Ten Mile from Chaparral. There are no continuous sidewalks, so we, in spite of eliminating 500 kids off the -- you know, safety busing thing, we are still bused, because there are no sidewalks that my kids can walk on. They would be out, you know, off the side of the road. I believe they will still be bused. I had questions for the developer about -- he said we didn't meet the criteria on turning accidents and I wanted to make sure he aware that half that intersection is in Meridian city, half is in Ada County, and, lots of luck, I have tried to get the statistics out of Ada County. We may be only seeing half the picture, if he's only got half the statistics. I echo the concerns about kids on the streets wanting to go to the convenience store. Traffic, you know, I disagree with Ada county's highway district no traffic issues to resolve philosophy and I never thought I'd hear myself saying these words, Dave, but, in all fairness to the Fullers, with the Valerie Heights proposal -- don't make me regret this, Dave. Anyway, you know, they only were going to generate 1,320 vehicle trips additionally per day and they were asked to put in a traffic signal at that intersection. This development will put in 1,436 vehicles trips per day onto that intersection and I think it's only fair that -- I mean 2007 is a long ways away. It would be nice to let them off the hook, but I can't, as a resident in that neighborhood, who looks out my window and sees the traffic backing up at all those different points every day, even though it may not be for eight hours solid, you know, there are definite periods of backup. I think it's only fair that we hold them to the same standard we would have with Valerie Heights, to minimize the impact on the existing neighborhoods. Did I do that in under three minutes? Corrie: You did. Atkinson: God, that's amazing. Any questions? Corrie: Any questions? De Weerd: That was my comment. Meridian City Council Meeting August 12, 2003 Page 40 of 72 Atkinson: Okay. Corrie: Great, Irma. Thank you. Bill Linde. Is the testimony you are about to give the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Lind: Yes. Corrie: Okay. Name and address. Lind: William Lind, 3170 West Forecast. Corrie: Sorry about the E on there. Lind: What's that? Corrie: I said Linde. I'm sorry about that. Lind: That's all right. We reside right on the corner of Ten Mile and Forecast and as the Mayor well knows, he's had the privilege of meeting with my wife, who went through our complete subdivision getting signatures regarding traffic from the high school. If the developer doesn't feel that traffic is an issue, I invite him to sit on my front porch at 3:00 in the afternoon, watch the traffic that backs up on Pine trying to get onto Ten Mile. What ends up happening is the kids get out of school and they cut right through here and come out to Ten Mile and there have been so many near accidents right here, because they are avoiding this stop sign right here. Although I feel that having a four way stop sign is an improvement, versus the one stop sign that we have, I believe a light -- traffic light would be more serving to the people that travel up and down Ten Mile, as well as those wanting to get into this development and for the school kids- that are trying to exit school on their way home. We also have had -- and I'm not sure when the Ada County Highway District did their survey, getting back to what Irma was saying, but with this development that went right here, Berkeley Square, I believe, if my memory serves me correctly, there were going to be 300 cars per day. I don't believe that that number of cars is also in this statistic. Going back to what Irma says as well is that if the Fullers were going to be expected to put a traffic light in, they were going to have less traffic -- estimated traffic into their project than what's estimated into this one, so why wouldn't you require a traffic light here? Then, I think the last thing I want to say is that when they talk about 300 cars per hour, my question would be, coming over an eight hour period, when was that survey done and, again, like Irma said, if you've got a split line there, I .don't feel that the statistics are probably correct. You're probably only getting half the picture, your not getting the full picture. I think the City Council needs to hear and do a little more research before approving the plan as it stands today in front of us and perhaps look at the idea of what would be involved with the Ada County Highway District. Perhaps advancing their projection if they are looking at this in a five year plan and the developer wants to get this done, somehow maybe the two can work together to jointly get this done at this same time to serve the people that are in that area and make that particular intersection a safer intersection. That's all I have. Meridian City Council Meeting Augus[ 12, 2003 Page 41 of 72 Corrie: Thank you, Bob. Any questions? Okay. Laura Wilder. Is the testimony you are about to give the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Wilder: Yes, it is. Corrie: Thank you. Wilder: Laura Wilder, 3401 West Pine Avenue and let me just point to where we are at here. We are on this piece of property. Our house is right here. This part of Pine is unpaved. It's a private road right now. We only have one access out of that lane and that's this intersection right here since I travel that several times a day, I do know that it is a concern right now. The traffic counts may not be quite where ACHD requires a stoplight, but you have, in addition to the traffic that's there, the compounding factor is the young and inexperienced drivers from the high school. You see a lot of scary things that happen there every day. Yes, it is true the speed limit on Ten Mile Road is 35 miles per hour. Anyone that drives that road knows that speeding is a very serious problem and they are kidding themselves if they say that people drive 35 miles an hour. I see scary things every day. It is very true if you put a four way stop on that corner, it's going to slow people down, and it's going to back up traffic. That's the whole point. We want to slow traffic down so people can get across the intersection safely. It won't be as convenient as a stoplight, but I feel if the stoplight's in the five-year plan. There isn't anything that we can do right now to make that happen, at the very least we should require the developer, if ACHD will not do it, just like what was required of Valerie Heights, to require the developer to put in a four way stop when construction begins and, then, when the stoplight comes, that will be good. At least with a four way stop those of us -- there are seven families that live down on that private road -- will be able to get out of our driveway and the high school kids will be able to make it across the road without having a problem. I would like to address the bus issue. This whole section right here -- Mosher Farm is right here and they will have developed sidewalks. This property right here is not developed, so there is no safe sidewalk, so we do have safety busing for all the kids that live in that area. In addition to there not being any sidewalks, the shoulders are extremely narrow and that compounds the problem, it's very dangerous. I'm the one that brought up the bus issue and I think it was a little bit misunderstood. What my concern is, is where my kids get on the bus is almost exactly across from the entrance to the gas station and I'm just concerned that there is going to be so much traffic there it's going to be a difficult, unsafe bus stop. I would like to see turn lanes for people turning left into that commercial development, just to make it a little safer. Not only for the intersection, but also for the buses that come through that area for Chaparral, the high school, a lot of middle school traffic goes down that road, I think turn lanes and a four way stop would greatly help safety in the area and at least help us get by until we can get a stoplight. That's what I would ask you to consider when looking at the whole picture and the effect that this development will have on the existing residence and the other traffic. Corrie: Thank you. Any questions? Okay. Okay. Jackie Cooper. Is the testimony you are about to give the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Meridian City Council Meeting August 12, 2003 Page 42 of 72 Cooper: So help me God. Corrie: Thank you. Cooper: My name is Jackie Cooper. I live at 1171 North Clara. It's at the corner of the Forecast and Clara. My concerns are the children. They said that there would be no sidewalks all the way through and there would be bus service. Well, at lot of these kids don't do buses, they ride their bikes, their skateboards, they walk, where are they going to go across? They will have to go clear down to Albertson's if they do it the way they are supposed to, but the kids don't do it the way they are supposed to. They will be going across Ten Mile to get to Chaparral. That's not good. Another thing I'm really concerned about -- I called and talked to a fellow down at the school district. These schools are packed. There is no more room. They are building three bedroom condos, apartments, or whatever. Where are these kids going to go to school? We will not have another school built until '05. There is a new school now that's just going to be opened. It is full. There are no more -- well, they will make room for kids, but there are 30 and 35 kids in these classrooms. What about -- oh, and I heard that they are also putting out buildings behind the schools, so that they will have more classrooms, but, there again, you're going to have to hire more teachers and that's money. The school district doesn't have it. They are cutting back on the bus service and the kids that are the closest, within a mile and a half, I believe, of the school, ,have to walk or get their parents to drive them, and more cars on the road. I want to know what are we doing about these kids. You know, they are our future. They need to have as much attention ih school as they can and they can't get it if there are more kids in the classroom. Thank you. Corrie: Thank you. Julie Schultz. Is the testimony you are about to give the truth, the whale truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Schultz: Yes. Corrie: Thank you Schultz: Hi. My name is Julie Schultz. I live at 3170 West Forecast Street. Actually, I'm just here for the traffic. I have small children and I'm concerned on Ten Mile and Forecast, people cut in, we can't even get out of our driveway and we are afraid we are going to get hit. Something -- stoplights. Something has to be done. That's it. Corrie: Okay. We are working on that also, Julie, on that traffic for that neighborhood, so -- I think that will help with half the students going to the new high school, it will cut it down, but we are going to try to -- another thing we talked about in the Council room. Okay. Alene Sullivan? Okay. Thank you, and Brenda Ball. Is the testimony you are about to give the Council the truth, so help you God? Ball: It is Corrie: Thank you. Meridian City Council Meeting August 12, 2003 Page 43 of 72 Ball: Well, I think most of the things I was going to say, somebody said already, but -- Nary: Name and address, please. Ball: 2613 West Ebbtide. I live just west -- I mean east on Pine and the back of my house faces up against Pine, so I'm right about there. I have a bird's eye view of all the traffic from the high school and we talked about that earlier this year. A couple of concerns are that I think even more traffic is going to be pushed through -- still shared through the Haven Cove Subdivision for people avoiding that Pine and Ten Mile intersection. That's a big concern that will make that problem continue. Also, I think the point about high school drivers being the ones who, during those traffic times, are the most common ones on those roadways and the inexperience is probably going to end up causing big issues at some point. I also think just because there are only certain times of the day that it's most busy, I think that's almost a bigger concern, because people aren't really prepared for it. You may go out and not know what you're in for. I know sometimes by mistake I go out at noon and go -- wow, what did I do that for. I think that's almost a bigger concern that it's not consistent. Also, it doesn't show on this one, but the exits that go out onto Pine from the proposed stuff, it looks like there are two exits. I don't know if those are both exist and entrances, and, then, only one onto Ten Mile. The street -- the streets as they are now along here on Pine, if there were people turning out to the left, that's pretty close to that corner; and there is only one lane going each direction and I'm not sure what he said about the center lane, at what point that would be added. Even getting out of the shopping center there, either going onto Ten Mile or either of those exits onto Pine would be very difficult. I'm sure things are going to get backed up into there, especially if that's the only exit for all of that housing situation, having to go through the shopping center, that seems a little awkward, that's whole issue. I don't know how they are going to get out. If the stop sign is -- if it is a stop sign on the corner at Pine and Ten Mile, you know, there is going to be cars going both ways that just seems like they are going to be stuck in here. Even if there is a light there, I don't know, it seems like that's going to be an issue either way. I think that's about all I have to say. Corrie: Thank you, Brenda. Anyone else tike to issue testimony at this time? Okay. We got some questions that they brought that you can address. Yes, Anna. Powell: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, just a brief statement before the applicant rebuts, so that he can include this in his rebuttal if he wants to. I just sense all the issues revolved around traffic tonight. I did want to tell you that it was a staff level approval from ACHD, so there was not an opportunity for these folks to be heard at a Public Hearing regarding traffic issues. Corrie: Okay. Thank you. Did you take notes or -- Ralphs: I have got some notes and I will also defer to your skills as well. Corrie: Okay. Go ahead. Meridian City Council Meeting August 12, 2003 Page 44 of 72 Ralph: Just a point of clarification and that slide is a good one to leave on. Over here -- just aclarification, we have got an entrance here off of Ten Mile and we also have one here. These are entrances off of Pine or onto Pine. As far as controlling left turns, we see something similar like this at Hark's corner. The first driveway cut there by the convenience store you can't turn left on it, they have got a no left turn there, but there is another entrance farther down, for example, here, where you would be able to turn left as traffic would allow. Looking at some of the issues that were raised, we are going to be putting in our sidewalks with the project. We are not going to wait for the commercial to go in, we are not going to wait for all the residential to go in before our perimeter sidewalks go in, according with ACHD setbacks and watching the right of way. They are going to be a meandering sidewalk, fully landscaped, and the berm is going to be in. I had talked to the Meridian School District about busing and they were the ones who had indicated to me that Peregrine would be an option. Now, Peregrine is over there on Linder to the southeast -- that they would provide busing for that, but that they were reducing the safety busing, but where we do not have contiguous sidewalks, there maybe that's an option, but that's just different than what I had heard from the school district. We had explored that with him. We did not want to be misunderstood. I understood the traffic is a concern. I live over in there and I deal with that intersection every single day. Putting -- and if we could go up to the plat that would show just the general area there and showing the roads off to Haven Cove -- if we could go up one more. There we go. Anything with stoplights or stop signs or all way stops is not going to address this bypass action that the students are talking, unless, as the Mayor indicated, other steps are being taken. We can put in a stoplight here, but that's not going to do much in the way of reducing any of kind back flows. In fact, I would suggest that if you put a stop sign here, they are going to be looking for an easier way to get back to the school. The type of retail -- the question was asked about what type of retail we are anticipating going in. No bars. We are going to have a C Store in there on the corner that we are proposing, along with downstairs retail. If we could go to the front elevation of that one, please? Right there. Thank you. You would have small retail shops in here and you would also have restaurants. This is a courtyard and as the city requires in the multi-use, there is typically a courtyard configuration and you have our third building back in there behind that. Over here is where the C Store is located. Keep in mind that when we put this project together we were keeping in mind that there was a proposed light transit station just to the south. The proposal being with the lofts and also with the multi-unit residential going in, that people would be able to walk out of their door and within a few hundred feet get on the light rail when it comes and be able to access that, without adding anymore to the traffic counts. ,The proposed uses for upstairs offices, this is going to be both a retail destination for people to come in and go to work, but it's also going to be one where people are going to be coming in and going shopping. Now, the question was asked or posed about any kind of final date on all of the construction -- we don't have that. Those townhouses are going to be marketed as individual homes, so that as those are bought and sold, those would be the closing dates, we don't have any kind of a date on when the marketability or any kind of commercial construction would be ending on that. Mayor, I would defer to any other questions you made note of or any members of the Council that note that I haven't addressed. Meridian City Council Meeting August 12, 2003 Page 45 of 72 Corrie: It was traffic signals and the sitting of the sidewalks -- I think you have got most of them, if I can remember here. Oh, the accident statistics. Make sure they got them from everybody. Ralphs: You know. I cannot speak for what the personal knowledge is for ACHD. I can only assume, dangerously, that, you know, this is what goes into their traffic counts. I would argue that as part of their government responsibilities they have got to have an accurate count of traffic, so there isn't a designated thing saying the Ada county highway -- or the Ada county sheriff has an accident and no one knows about it. As part of the reporting, they have to know what accidents occur. Based on what he told me, they do not have those accidents. I know traffic is a problem, like I said earlier. I drive that intersection every single day, but when we were looking at the guidelines that ACRD has, we are just not there yet, even with this project. Corrie: I'm not too sure of ACHD's projects either, but -- sometimes they -- well, I won't go into that. Nary: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: So, Mr. Ralphs, Iguess -- I hear what you said about the stoplight -- or the stop sign, but what, if anything -- what, if anything, can you do or give us some assurance about that stoplight? Is there anything your client wants to do to speed up that project, certainly, that's been done by many people? Ralphs: That's correct. In the last -- I believe it was in the last packet when we were in front of Planning and Zoning there was an outline of what ACHD's plans were for the next five years. You know, mention has been made about how Valerie Heights is required to put in signal lights, because of all the traffic flow and all of those things. If you drive by there, there is not a Valerie Heights. You can restrict one of these projects to death and, for whatever reason, but that one didn't happen with all of the contingencies on it. We will go by whatever ACHD dictates, plus we have made assurances to Planning and Zoning that we would go in there and we would advocate putting in an all way stop. As I indicated earlier when I had spoken with ACHD, even though their preliminary assessment of it was that one was not warranted, they were still going to go ahead with the site evaluation to determine if one were warranted there, but the preliminary indications are that the counts are just not there. De Weerd: Mr. Mayol? Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. De Weerd: I think an all way stop would make the cut-through traffic even worse to Haven Cove. I think a four way stop would just be ridiculous there. I don't understand why when this is going to generate more traffic than the project that was being proposed Meridian City Council Meeting August 12, 2003 Page 46 of 72 across the street, why it was being handled at a staff level at ACHD and not given the opportunity for them to answer questions in regards to the traffic concerns and issues. As you well, know, because I drive through that all the time, too, is that that is a narrow intersection to begin with. By putting residential area in there with nothing connecting that to the north to draw people to your project, to those kids, you know, and, yes, they will be bused, but I agree that there are some that won't -- it's not cool to ride a bus. Anyway, that's what I understand and that there are no shoulders there. It would be a tremendous -- I think we would be really ignoring our responsibility for public safety by not really paying attention to how people will not only get from your development, but to your development. I think your development is very nice. You know, it's certainly going to support the vision for that area, but I just wonder if it's a little bit before its time in regards to how to assure your residents are going to be safe both to and from. Those are my concerns. Corrie: Other discussion? Nary: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: I guess I would concur with what Councilwoman de Weerd said. I mean this is a very nice project. I mean I think it really fits exactly what we would like to see in these kinds of areas. I, too -- I have two daughters at the high school. I have mistakenly turned right on Pine instead of left and ended up at that intersection and it's horrible. You know, it amazes me that a stoplight isn't warranted by this. I mean I think it will change. I mean I think the roadway will change significantly with the new high school, you won't -- you may not have as much traffic heading that direction to head south on Ten Mile, because all those kids will be, actually, going to the other school. I think your project is a destination point, so they won't necessarily be crossing that intersection, they will be going there and, then, returning back to the high school. I mean I think there are some real pluses here to what you're going to have there, but Ijust -- I'm so hesitant to the volume that this appears to be generating in that area. I live just up the street from that as well and I drive by that quite often and it is -- it is horrible at certain times of the day to try to get in or out of that. I think you have said the same thing and I just can't see how ramping up this intersection right now with that without a stoplight is going to benefit you or the residents. I just don't see how that's going to be very compatible. McCandless: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mrs. McCandless. McCandless: I have to agree with the two that spoke and also with the testimony we have heard. I don't know how you're going to get across that street. I, too, drive that quite frequently and what Mr. Nary said is true, it's horrible. If you have got all those developments in that corner, what are you going to do with their cars when it's bad now? It's got to have a traffic light in there. I worry about the kids, too. I mean they are Meridian City Council Meeting August 12, 2003 Page 47 of 72 going to be crossing there whether we like it or not. You know, it's not worth having kids being killed out there, just because we wanted to put in a development. Corrie: Come up here. You're a little bit out of order, because I asked for it earlier. Garner: I am. I apologize. Corrie: What was your question again? Nary: Name and address, please. Garner: Tracy Garner and I live on the property -- Corrie: Into the mike. Garner: Sorry. Corrie: Is the testimony you're about to give the truth, so help you God? Garner: Yes. Corrie: Thank you. Nary: Address. Corrie: Name and address, so we can get it all on the record. Garner: Tracy Garner, 680 North Ten Mile. Corrie: All right. Now, what was your question? Garner: The question I asked is recognizing that it is a safety issue, I live on that property, I'm a stay-at-home mother, I know what goes on day in and day out on that property. My question is it's no different -- what's the difference with that projected property, than the subdivision you just approved north of there or the two subdivisions? That's impacting getting in and out of the driveway. You know, I guess I'm just frustrated. I don't understand how one project can be -- how we can say, you know, this is impacting traffic, yet every project north of there is going in. If somebody could explain that to me? De Weerd: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. De Weerd: I will give it to you from my perspective. The other two properties that have been approved are connected to sidewalks. They are also giving the kids an access to the school in the backside of that one project. That's one of the issues. You're talking Meridian City Council Meeting August 12, 2003 Page 48 of 72 about south -- that's the southeast corner where, yes, if your -- if the project to the north of it has the sidewalks and, you know, there was some connection -- the thing is, they are proposing some commercial and some office. You have to have ways to connect people to those. Right now, it will be an island out there. Garner: So, the development -- if I'm hearing you, you would want the areas next to it to be developed before it gets developed, so that there would be contingent sidewalks? I guess)-- De Weerd: Yes. Either that or there is some road improvements that need to be made. That is a very narrow intersection for the amount of traffic that it covers and I'm not a traffic engineer, so I'm not criticizing ACHD staff or anything else, but from my perspective, that is an extremely narrow intersection and that's probably because the -- Pine is not extended to the west and that further exacerbates the whole issue there. It's just not developed enough to support that kind of an impact to that intersection at this point. Like I said, it's a great project, but right now, with all the things that are being proposed, with all the activity that will go on, bringing people to and from that, it's an accident waiting to happen, and that's just my opinion. Garner: Okay, and we had that same issue with the Valerie Heights project or similar issues, but -- right up against the subdivision, so there would have been a continued sidewalk. Nary: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: But as you heard the testimony, one of the other conditions on this was a stoplight. You know, the volume and intensity of this use -- we are talking 1,400 vehicle talking trips. You have to get commercial uses, you have apartments, you of a large volume of people coming and going there for residences, offices, and commercial. These two projects --the only -- we are talking a couple hundred trips a day out of these and that's really just the residents coming in and out, the same as this. There is no -- there is no other reason to go in here, except for residents or guests. Here the volume likely may be higher than that. I mean depending on what these stores are, depending on what's in there, you know -- Garner: And before those stores -- Nary: You fix the number of residences to some degree, but the volume of traffic --this could be the most popular commercial spot in Meridian and that's what I think Mr. Campbell would like to see. All of a sudden, then, the volume is so high without that stoplight there, like I said, or we said the stoplight was required for Valerie Heights, too. Garner: Okay, and before we jump the gun, my understanding is before any of those commercial projects can go in, they, too, have to get -- and go through the proper process and get City Council approvals and Planning and Zoning, so they would have to Meridian City Council Meeting August 12, 2003 Page 49 of 72 go through this process. By approving this, is this, essentially, approving the subdivision, not the commercial development? Corrie: Not necessarily. Nary: No, not necessarily. Garner: It approves the commercial development, but not the stores that are going in there? Corrie: That's right. Garner: Okay. Thank you. Powell: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, it's obvious that you have some serious concerns regarding this and it would seem to be it may be appropriate to ask the ACHD commission to reconsider it in light of the testimony. We seem to be having a lot of discussion on possible solutions or not solutions regarding the traffic, but maybe there is abetter organization that might -- not a better organization, excuse me. Perhaps there is another organization that may have some additional ideas. You guys are the best, of course and that would also give -- you know, school opens in two weeks -- or, I don't know, Boise School District opens in two weeks and -- okay. That would give an opportunity tp see how those traffic counts might change as well. Corrie: What do you think of that suggestion? Ralphs: We would certainly welcome tabling this for a couple more weeks to get some more information, some accurate information from ACHD as to traffic counts and, hopefully, their site evaluation for a controlled stop. I would just have one question with Council, then. What would be a -- you know, gather the gist that you like something different there, what is going to ameliorate your concerns as far as putting in this project now, what kind of traffic control or what kind of lanes -- suggestions we go. We discuss at ACHD, knowing what their schedule is for lane widening, you know, what -- when we bring this back to you, after we have spoken with ACHD, give us a laundry list, if you would. Bird: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mr. Bird. Bird: I think the one thing that -- for me is going to have to be a stoplight, just like we required at Valerie Heights. I don't see any other way to get through that intersection without a stoplight. I travel it, too, and I -- if you try to turn left -- I think you're right, I think Mountain View High School is going to draw a lot of the school kids that were turning south, but they are not going to draw in all. I just -- I don't know how we are going to get with a -- through without a stoplight. Whether ACHD will participate at this time in it or how we can do it, that -- I love your project. I think it's really a nice location Meridian City Coundl Meeting August 12, 2003 Page 50 of 72 for it and you have got a good, you know, the commercial and stuff mixed in and -- but I just can't --until that intersection is fixed with a stoplight, I have a hard time approving it. Corrie: Well, I think you better get some answers from ACHD on the stoplight, the road widening -- it is a very narrow section there. They are going to have to do something. Bird: Its not only narrow, they have got concrete barriers up around it, too. Corrie: Well, that's on that one side. Yes. De Weerd: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. De Weerd: And I know that you tried to answer -- or answer why ACHD didn't -- why they dealt with this at the staff level, rather than a commission Public Hearing, but can you explain that one to me again? Ralphs: Oh, I didn't have an answerforthat De Weerd: Okay Ralphs: The only thing I -- from the Planning and Zoning meeting I had met with them at Planning and Zoning's request that I visit with them about the different criteria or what they characterize as warrants for putting in a stop sign there. I don't have information as far as why this was on a staff level versus a Public Hearing level. De Weerd: Okay. Maybe we can ask our liaison that, but I would be totally opposed to a four way stop. Totally. I just wanted to make my thoughts clear on that. Nary: How do you feel on that? Ralphs: Don't hold anything back, yes. Corrie: Makes it rather difficult also for the residents in there and I know what they are going through. Yes, I agree, a four way stop isn't going to work. Okay. Any other -- Nary: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: Only in two weeks is the budget hearing and so I guess if we are going to look to continue this matter, that we look to three weeks to September 2nd meeting, rather than the 26`h, so we won't be butting up into that. Corrie: September the 2nd Meridian City Council Meeting August 12, 2003 Page 51 of 72 Powell: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, did you want ACHD to conduct a hearing or did you just want the applicant to talk with them? Because I'm sure, he could get a hearing date within three weeks. De Weerd: I think we need to find out from Bruce what warrants a Public Hearing. Or can we just ask that this go to Public Hearing to ACHD? Powell: Well, Bruce would know better, but my understanding is you can -- they will re- hear things or reconsider things fairly frequently, so I believe you can just ask them to conduct a Public Hearing on the item. Corrie: Might be a good idea, though. They need some more input on this Powell: Yes. I believe they really need to hear what all these people have to say. Corrie: They need to be heard. That's right. Nary: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: One other thing, since Mr. Ralphs was asking, you know, the -- I understand that the long-term intent of the five lane roadway. It appears to me -- one of the things we have looked at in these types of developments -- at least having the turn lane or a type of turn lane, whether it's the entire turn lane or whether it's just a cut out for a portion. You know, again, that may be, again, another issue for ACHD to address in this particular spot. Now, again, it may not be necessary right off the bat, because the commercial isn't there yet, it may not be necessary, but the commercial may get there before the rest of the five lanes gets developed. If you still have just the two lanes and a stoplight, I think you're going to have a pretty tight squeeze in that area to try to get people in and out of this location. I think those are the two things to me that if we are talking about what would make it a better project from our perspective, those are I think what I would see. Ralphs: So, just a matter of clarification -- so, if we are looking at turn lanes, that's -- yourconcern there is more for the commercial application than the residential or is it just for the whole deal? Nary: Well, I'm a little unclear on the residential side. I mean the way I looked at those two exits out there onto Pine, that, again, having been there, I don't know what it's going to be like now with Mountain View. I don't know whether or not it's going to be as difficult getting in and out as it would have been previously, but, certainly, on commercial on Ten Mile, if you're going to have a stoplight there. You don't have any type of turn lane or any type of left turn into the commercial, you're going to back the traffic up on the other side of the intersection just to make a turn. Ralphs: Exactly. Meridian City Council Meeting August 12, 2003 Page 52 of 72 Nary: And it makes it kind of tough. I think there needs to be something for the commercial. Now, whether or not they think it is appropriate for the residential side, you know, I just don't know. Ralphs: So, we would defer to ACHD on that. What I'm wondering is if one of the earlier questions from Councilwoman de Weerd was the question about whether we would phase this, if -- phasing the residential first, kind of trying to be more in sync with what ACHD is doing. If that would be more in keeping -- if that would be something that would be more amenable to what you're feeling here. At the Planning and Zoning hearing we had also discussed that even though if the commercial were to just develop from market conditions later, we would still go ahead with all of the landscaping and all of the improvements up around Ten Mile, so you wouldn't be looking at a moonscape type situation. If the turn lanes and if the stoplight are more geared towards the commercial and, then, if we need to go back and discuss whether it would be more appropriate for this time for that part of Meridian to phase it, then, I would appreciate some guidance on that as well. De Weerd: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. De Weerd: I guess since I have been pretty direct on what my opinion is, I'll continue along that line. My concern isn't just the stoplight. I think the stoplight is wonderful. I still have that concern and I know we had this with Valerie Heights. It's the sidewalks and even if you do the residential, those kids are going to be walking on something, there are no shoulders out there to walk on, and that is a busy road. That is my concern that traffic light and connectivity. How do you connect your subdivision -- your living area, your retail, whatever you're going to phase it to do, how are you going to connect it, so the kids or the people or whatever are going to move north? Ralphs: Okay. Okay. If we came up with a proposal for that, that would -- well, you would have to see it. We will certainly explore those concerns. Thank you. Were there any others? Corrie: I think we can get that done and -- Ralphs: Thank you. De Weerd: I think they are all ACHD issues. There you go, Bruce. Ralphs: I think you're absolutely right. Thank you. Corrie: All right. Thank you. So -- Bird: Mr. Mayor? Meridian Ciry Council Meeting August 12, 2003 Page 53 of 72 Corrie: Mr. Bird. Bird: Well, I was just going to go ahead and continue these Public Hearings until September 2nd De Weerd: Mr. Bird -- can we just hear from Bruce real quick, Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Well -- come on. Is the testimony you are about to give the truth, so help you God? Mills: It is. Corrie: Name and address. Mills: Bruce Mills, Ada County Highway District. Garden City.. Corrie: Thank you Mills: A few questions you have. I think our process, first of all: When -- we have three different ways when an application comes in. One would be to recommend approval at staff level. Typically that involves not exceeding a certain projected traffic threshold, which I assume in this case -- and, I'm sorry, I don't have all the details on this one, but that it was under that threshold. Two other ways are when it exceeds that threshold it goes to our commissioners, either as a consent agenda item, meaning that applicant and staff are all in agreement with the requirement and there hasn't been any interest from adjoining property owners. The third is to put it on as a regular agenda item, in which case the public can testify and that is when there is significant interest from the public in the project or when it exceeds a level in size. The other piece of information I think you're looking for is could this be remanded back to ACHD and put on as a regular agenda item. The answer is, yes, it could. Probably the earliest we could do that would be two weeks from tomorrow, so it would be still just three weeks from now. I believe that could work. Or the other option, of course, would be just to have the applicant come back and talk with us. I don't know if I have answered what other questions, you might have for me. Corrie: September the 2"d, that gives you enough time as well. Nary: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: I think also it keeps it on the radar screen. I mean that's probably what we want to do. We may continue it from September 2nd if there is still something happening with ACHD or something like that, but at least it's not going to get lost in the shuffle. De Weerd: So, the criteria is, the level of traffic generated or citizen interest so, you heard that, citizens. Meridian City Council Meeting August 12, 2003 Page 54 of 72 Nary: Would you tell the last group of people here that we do listen to what people say when they come up. De Weerd: I don't think you need to worry. Mills: One last comment on that would be just to let them know, if they want, they can see me outside the door and I can give them a contact for ACRD. Also, any of our agenda items will be on our website before our meeting. Corrie: Good. Let the record show that we are getting a lot more cooperation from ACRD here in our Council meetings, too. Thank you. Appreciate that. Okay. Mr. Bird. Bird: Mr. Mayor, I move that we continue the Public Hearings AZ 03-009, CUP 03-020, and PP 03-010, to September 2, 2003. Nary: Second. Corrie: Okay. Motion has been made and seconded. Is there any further discussion? All those in favor of the motion say aye. Opposed no. All ayes. Item Numbers 11, 12, and 13 will be continued, hearing on September the 2nd MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES Corrie: The next one is Public Hearing on a request for Preliminary Plat of five building lots on 2.69 acres in an L-O zone for Lynnwood Plaza Subdivision by Centennial Development, LLC, east of North Ten Mile Road and West Cherry Lane. At this time, I will open the -- excuse me -- Public Hearing -- okay. Yes. Well, we'll take a short break and just be here back at 10:00 o'clock. (Recess.) Item 14. Public Hearing: PP 03-013 Request for Preliminary Plat of 5 building lots on 2.69 acres in an L-O zone for Lynnwood Plaza Subdivision by Centennial Development, LLC -east of North Ten Mile Road on West Cherry Lane: Corrie: At this time, I will call the recess back and it is the Public Hearing on Number 14, Lynnwood Plaza Subdivision. Open the Public Hearing and have staffs comments first. Powell: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, this is the request for a five lot subdivision. It is -- the property is zoned L-O. It shows up as residential on this map, but we have verified that the zoning is L-O and they are proposing light office uses. As you can see, it's surrounded by residential. The most recent --this property was, actually, associated with this plat here.' This is the most recent -- obviously, not built out yet. This is a