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TRANSMITTAL TO AGENCIES FOR COMMENTS ON DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS
WITH THE CITY OF MERIDIAN
To insure that your comments and recommendations will be considered by the
Meridian City Council, please submit your comments and recommendations to
Meridian City Hall, Attn: Will Berg, City Clerk by: April 11. 1995
TRANSMITTAL DATE: 3/27/95 HEARING DATE: 4/18/95
REQUEST: Variance request for Ashford Greens Subdivision
BY: Brighton Corporation
LOCATION OF PROPERTY OR PROJECT: South of Ustick Road and East of Black
Cat Road
JIM JOHNSON, P/Z
MOE ALIDJANI, P2
JIM SHEARER, P/Z
CHARLES ROUNTREE, P/Z
TIM HEPPER, P/Z
GRANT KINGSFORD, MAYOR
RONALD TOLSMA, C/C
BOB CORRIE, C/C
WALT MORROW, C/C
MAX YERRINGTON, C/C
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NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION DISTRICT
SETTLERS IRRIGATION DISTRICT
IDAHO POWER CO.(PRELIM & FINAL PLAT)
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CITY OF MERIDIAN
33 East Idaho Street. Meridian. ID 83642
VARIANCE APPLICATION
(RE: Meridian Zoning Ordinance)
NAME; Brighton Corporation Phone: 378-4000
(Owner or holder of valid option)
ADDRESS: 12301 W. Explorer, Suite 200, Boise, ID 83709
GENERAL LOCATION: W1/2, Wl/2, Section 3, T3N, R1W, BM, Meridian
LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF PROPERTY: Attached
PROOF OF OWNERSHIP OF V t ID OPTION: A copy of your property deed or option
agreement must be attached.
PRESENT ZONE CLASSIFICATION: R-4
VICINITY SKETCH: A vicinity map and/or site plan at a scale approved by the City showing
property lines, streets existing and proposed zoning and such other items as the City may require.
SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS: A list of all property owners and addresses within,
contiguous to, directly across the street from, and within a 300' radius of the parcel(s) proposed
for a variance must be attached. (This information is available from the County Assessor.)
DESCRIPTION OF PROPOSED VARIANCE: _ Request that the ci tv waive the
requirement to pipe the Eight Mile & Safford Laterals. Both laterals
would require a pipe larger than 48" causing financial hardship on the
developer.
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CITY COUT_~l(ai . RFC
Date Received
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VARIANCE APPLICATION
ASHFORD GREENS SUBDIVISION
1. West 1/2, West 1/2, Section 3, T.3N., R.iW., B.M.
2. Brighton Corporation, 12301 W. Explorer, Suite 200, Boise,
Idaho 83713, 378-4000
3. Same as #2.
4. Attached to Variance Application.
5. Attached to Variance Application.
6. The present land in proposed Ashford Greens Subdivision is
being used for agriculture.
7. This property consists of 20.30 acres and will have 54 lots.
It is intended to be a single-family & multi-family planned
development.
8. Nampa-Meridian Irrigation District
9. Attached to Variance Application.
10. N/A
11. Attached to Variance Application.
12. The size of the pipe required to the the Eight Mile Lateral
and Safford Lateral would create an economic hardship on the
developer.
13. This ordinance requires the tiling of irrigation ditches,
laterals or canals. All irrigation ditches, laterals or
canals, exclusive of natural waterways, intersecting, crossing
or laying adjacent and contiguous or which canals, ditches or
laterals touch either or both sides of the area being
subdivided, shall be covered, and enclosed with tiling, or
other covering equivalent in ability to detour access to said
ditch, lateral or canal.
14. The Eight Mile Lateral runs along the easterly edge of the
Ashford Greens Subdivision project. The dimensions of the
water flow in the lateral are 18 feet wide at the surface, 4
1/2 feet deep as an average and 16 feet wide at the bottom and
2860 feet long. The Safford Lateral runs along the southern
edge of the Ashford Greens Subdivision project. The
dimensions of the water flow in the lateral are 14 feet wide
at the surface, 4 feet deep on an average and 10 feet wide at
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the bottom and 2370 feet long. Due to the size of these
laterals, the considerable cost would be well beyond what is
considered standard or reasonable development cost.
15 & 16. The Eight Mile and Safford Laterals are located on the
eastern and southern boundaries respectively of the proposed
development. Both canal banks are considerably higher in
elevation than the surrounding development. Both of these
factors create situations where the detouring of access is
easily achieved by the installation of a fence along the full
length of property adjoining the laterals. There are other
subdivisions in the area; Parkside Creek #1 & #2, The Lake @
Cherry Lane, and Cherry Lane Village, that because their
boundaries do not encompass the Eight Mile and Safford
Laterals have incurred overall development costs much lower
than that which Ashford Greens Subdivision will incur, if
strict code enforcement is required. We believe the
circumstances involving Ashford Greens, the canal isolated to
the subdivision boundaries, make fencing for the purpose of
restricting access a much more viable solution.
17. Surrounding residential subdivisions have in the past fenced
the Eight Mile and Safford Laterals, or other laterals, as our
clients are proposing to do. Cherry Lane Village, One
Subdivision, Sunny Brook, etc..
18. Both the Eight Mile Lateral and Safford Lateral were
constructed several decades ago, the current land owner was
not available to provide comment as to the location of the
canals.
19. Same as #17.
20. The Meridian Comprehensive Plan provides for the health,
welfare and safety of the residents of Meridian City. We do
not believe that the granting of this variance will detract in
any way from the ~~urpose or meaning of the Comprehensive Plan.
21. Fee = $256.45
22. Granting this variance would allow the applicant to develop
the property in a similar manner to surrounding properties
without creating excessive economic costs which would inhibit
development. The applicant will not create excess profit by
this variance but will make the development more economically
feasible.
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RUBBLE ENGINEERING, INC.
9550 Bethel Court ^ Bolse, Idaho 83709
Project No. 93-082-01
DESCRIPTION FOR
ASHFORD GREENS
A SUBDIVISION
A PORTION OF THE W1/2 W1/2, SECTION 3,
T.3N., R.1 W., B.M.,
MERIDIAN, ADA COUNTY, IDAHO
A parcel of land lying in a portion of the W1/2 of the W1/2 of Section 3, T.3N.,
R.1W., B.M., Meridian, Ada County, Idaho and more particularly described as follows:.
Commencing at the brass cap marking the section corner common to Sections 33
and 34, T.4N., R.1 W., and Section 4 and the said Section 3;
thence South 0 ° 38'27" West 2697 49 feet along the Westerly boundary of the
NW1/4 of the said Section 3 which is also the centerline of North Black Cat Road, to a
brass cap marking the one-quarter corner common to the said Sections 4 and 3;
thence North 0°38'27" East 288.29 feet along the said Westerly boundary of the
NW1/4 of Section 3 to an iron pin;
thence South 89°21'33" East 45.00 feet to a 2-inch galvanized pipe, also said
point being the REAL POINT OF BEGINNING (INITIAL POINT);
thence along the following courses and distances to iron pins;
continuing South 89°21'33" East 20.00 feet;
thence North 45°38'27" East 70.71 feet;
thence South 89°21'33" East 108.60 feet to a point of beginning of curve;
thence Southerly along a curve to the right 9.17 feet, said curve having a central
angle of 26 ° 16'29", a radius of 20.00 feet and a long chord of 9.09 feet bearing South
0°41'58" East to a point of ending of curve;
thence North 84°18'18" East 52.61 feet to a point of beginning of curve;
thence Northeasterly along a curve to the right .30.17 feet said curve having a
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central angle of 86°26'17", a radius of 20.00 feet and a long chord of 27.39 feet bearing
North 55°39'25" East to a point of compound curve;
thence Southeasterly along a curve to the right 161.74 feet, said curve having a
central angle of 37°04'06", a radius of 250.00 feet and a long chord of 158.94 feet
bearing South 62°35'23" East to a point of tangent;
thence South 44°03'20" East 227.76 feet to a point of curve;
thence Southeasterly along a curve to the left 408.68 feet, said curve having a
central angle of 66°54'09", a radius of 350.00 feet and a long chord of 385.86 feet
bearing South 77°30'25" East to a point of tangent;
thence North 69°02'30" East 126.81 feet;
thence North 20°57'30" West 80.00 feet to a point of beginning of curve;
thence Northwesterly along a curve to the right 26.36 feet, said curve having a
central angle of 75°31'21", a radius of 20.00 feet and a long chord of 24.49 feet bearing
North 73°11'49" West to a point of ending of curve;
thence North 69°02'30" East 121.00 feet;
thence North 20°29'47" West 85.57 feet;
thence North 11°28'15" West 70.33 feet;
thence North 0°36'15" East 156.69 feet;
thence North 33°03'21" East 50.00 feet;
thence North 56°56'39" West 45.12 feet to a point of curve;
thence Northwesterly along a curve to the left 21.17 feet, said curve having a
central angle of 9°42'17", a radius of 125.00 feet and a long chord of 21.15 feet bearing
North 61°47'48" West to a point of ending of curve;
thence North 23°21'04" East 118.48 feet;
thence North 56°56'39" West 106.31 feet;
thence North 89°23'45" West 36.12 feet;
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thence North 0 ° 36' 15" East 5.00 feet to a point of curve;
thence Northwesterly along a curve to the left 154.59 feet, said curve having a
central angle of 39°22'00", a radius of 225.00 feet and a long chord of 151.57 feet
bearing North 19°04'45" West to a point of tangent;
thence North 38°45'45" West 39.00 feet;
thence North 51°14'15" West 110.00 feet;
thence North 26 ° 11'31" West 134.78 feet;
thence North 4°04'20" West 277.45 feet;
thence North 31°46'35" West 241.56 feet;
thence North 0°36'56" East 132.59 feet;
thence North 89°23'04" West 110.00 feet;
thence North 0°36'56" East 30.00 feet;
thence South 89°23'04" East 95.00 feet;
thence North 0°36'56" East 115.00 feet;
thence North 5 ° 38'22" East 50.19 feet;
thence North 0°36'56" East 110.00 feet;
thence North 89°23'04"West 785.01 feet to a point on the said Westerly boundary
of the NW1/4 of Section 3, said point bears South 0°38'27" West 653.80 feet from the
corner common to said Sections 33, 34, 4 and 3;
thence South 0°38'27"West 275.00 feet along the said Westerly boundary of the
NW1/4 of Section 3;
thence South 89°23'04" East 635.73 feet;
thence South 0°36'56" West 30.00 feet;
thence North 89°23'04" West 114.43 feet;
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thence South 10 ° 38' 11"West 162.48 feet;
thence South 5°36'09" East 160.95 feet;
thence South 48°58'55" West 66.41 feet;
thence South 10°49'04" West 123.62 feet;
thence South 12°00'00" East 85.00 feet;
thence South 53°26'21" East 142.60 feet;
thence South 6°51'51"West 151.05 feet;
thence South 41°14'14" East 171.06 feet;
thence South 89 ° 12'26" East 122.33 feet;
thence South 43°03'05" East 60.00 feet;
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thence South 0°36'15" West 671.50 feet to a point of beginning of curve;
thence Northwesterly along a curve to the right 199.31 feet, said curve having a
central angle of 42 ° 17'41 ", a radius of 270.00 feet and along chord 194.81 feet bearing
North 65 ° 12' 11"West to a point of tangent;
thence North 44°03'20" West 227.76 feet to a point of curve;
thence .Northwesterly along a curve to the left 74.24 feet, said curve having a
central angle of 12 ° 53'23", a radius of 330.00 feet and a long chord of 74.08 feet bearing
North 50°30'02" West to a point of reverse curve;
thence continuing Northwesterly along a curve to the right 28.84 feet, said curve
having a central angle of 82°36'47", a radius of 20.00 feet and a long chord of 26.40 feet
bearing North 15°38'20" West to a point of ending a curve;
thence North 64° 19'57" West 50.00 feet to a point of beginning of curve;
thence Southwesterly along a curve to the right 3.03 feet, said curve having a
central angle of 8°40'53", a radius of 20.00 feet and a long chord of 3.03 feet bearing
South 30°00'29" West to a point of ending of curve, also said point being a point of
beginning of curve;
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thence Northwesterly along a curve to the left 125.44 feet, said curve having a
central angle of 20°49'59", a radius of 345.00 feet and a long chord of 124.75 feet
bearing North 78°56'34" West to a point of tangent;
thence North 89°21'33" West 147.74 feet;
thence North 44°21'33" West 70.71 feet;
thence North 89°21'33" West 65.00 feet to a point on the said Westerly boundary
of the NW1/4 of Section 3;
thence South 0 ° 38'27" West 210.00 feet along the said Westerly boundary of the
NW1/4 of Section 3;
thence South 89°21'33" East 45.00 feet to a point of beginning, comprising 20.30
acres, more or less.
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NOTICE OF HEARING
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN pursuant to the Ordinances of the City of Meridian and
the Laws of the State of Idaho, that the City Council of the City of Meridian wilt hold a
public hearing at the Meridian City Hall, 33 East Idaho Street, Meridian,ldaho, at the hour
of 7:30 p.m., on April 18, 1995, for the purpose of reviewing and considering the
Application of Brighton Corporation, for a Variance request for land located in the W 1/2,
W 1/2 of Section 3, T.3N, R.1 W Boise Meridian, Ada County, Idaho, and which property
is generally located South of Ustick Road and East of Black Cat Road. The Application
requests a Variance to the requirement to pipe the Eight Mile and Safford Laterals.
Amore particular legal description of the above property is on file in the City Clerk's
office at Meridian City Hall, 33 East Idaho Street, and is available for inspection during
regular business hours.
A copy of the Application is available upon request. Any and all interested persons
shall be heard at said public hearing and the public is welcome and invited to submit
testimony.
Dated this 27th day of March, 1995.
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Brighton Corporation
Boise Research Center
12301 W. Explorer Drive, Suite 200
Boise, ID 83704
James W. & Lois F. Fuller
1635 N. Ten Mile
Meridian, ID 83642
City of Meridian
33 E. Idaho Ave.
Meridian, ID 83642
Langley Farms Ltd Partnership
Raymond E. Langley
2435 N. Black Cat
Meridian, ID 83642
Eugene & Ardyce Quenzer
3680 N. Black Cat
Meridian, ID 83642
Meridian City Council ~ a,
March 3, 1998
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Corrie: At this time, I would like to welcome Scout Troop #166 and #174 here tonight,
and have you see how the city government works and we do wejl for you tonight.
ITEM NO. 1: REQUEST FOR VARIANCE FOR ASHFORD GREENS SUBDIVISION BY
BRIGHTON CORPORATION:
Corrie: Council, is there anything on that one that you have? Mr. Crookston?
Crookston: I have not changed the Findings of Facts for probably two years, and we're
just waiting on how we want to do things, and things like that. So I have
recommendation.
Rountree: Mr. Mayor, I think there is a couple of things that apply here. One is the
length of time that we've had those findings. Two is that some of this land has changed
hands. Now, I think with Steiner Corporation, and three, I think there's some issues with
the golf course that need to be resolved with respect to some of these culverts or not
culverts. I would suggest that we take this item off our agenda, get Brighton, Steiner,
the city and the golf course together, see where it is they want to go as of this date and
press on. There may not even be a variance request at this point in time. I would make
that a motion.
Bentley: Second.
Corrie: Okay, motion made by Mr. Rountree and second by Mr. Bentley to take item
number one of the Brighton Corporation off the agenda. Any further discussion?
Hearing none, I will take the vote. All in favor say aye.
MOTION CARRIED: A11 ayes.
ITEM NO. 2: DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR PRESTIGE CARE:
Corrie: Shari, comments.
Stiles: Mr. Mayor and Council, Mike Valentine did a very thorough job going through the
findings of fact on this and incorporating those as Exhibit "B". I'm not sure if Wayne has
had an opportunity to totally review that.
Crookston: I have not.
Stiles: There are some issues not only on this, but on the items number six, and seven.
On number six, Tumberry has requested some changes that I have not seen yet, and
the Econo Lube, I have not revised that yet to include - to remove the Tucknesses and
put Econo Lube Subdivision or the owners of Econo Lube as the owner. 1 would like to
ask if the Council would entertain the thought of getting the latest copies of these by this
MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING: MARCH 3.1998
APPLICANT: BRIGHTON CORPORATION ITEM NUMBER: 1
REQUEST: VARIANCE FOR ASHFORD GREENS SUBDNISION
AGENCY
CITY CLERK:
CITY ENGINEER:
CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR:
CITY ATTORNEY:
CITY POLICE DEPT:
CITY FIRE DEPT:
CITY BUILDING DEPT:
MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT:
MERIDIAN POST OFFICE:
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT:
ADA COUNTY STREET NAME COMMITTEE:
CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH:
NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION:
SETTLERS IRRIGATION:
IDAHO POWER:
US WEST:
INTERMOUNTAIN GAS:
BUREAU OF RECLAMATION:
OTHER:
COMMENTS
MINUTES FROM 2/3/98 C/C ATTACHED
SEE ATTACHED FINDINGS OF FACTS AND
CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
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All Materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian.
Meridian City Council
February 3, 1998
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Bentley: Mr. Mayor, I would move that we pass the Tumbeny Subdivision CC&R's with
the corrections made by City Attorney and request the Mayor to sign and the Clerk to
attest.
Bird: Second that.
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Bentley. and seconded by Mr. Bird a motion to accept the
CC&R's with corrections and additions by City Attorney. Any further discussion? All
those in favor of the motion say aye.
MOTION CARRIED: All aye.
ITEM NO. 4: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW FOR VARIANCE
REQUEST FOR ASHFORD GREENS SUBDIVISION BY BRIGHTON CORPORATION:
Corrie: Mr. Attorney, would you tell us on this one? Do we have somebody in the
audience that's - oh, we have another attorney. We got more attorneys than we have
anything.
Crookston: Mr. Mayor, I had prepared Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law
probably twelve to fourteen months ago. I have not received any indication that any of
the Councilmen desired me to change those. But they - so the real question now is
whether or not the Council desires to have some of those ditches tiled, or whether they
do not. The previous Council granted variances on the Safford lateral for Tumbeny
Subdivision and for Golf View, so the real question is whether or not you want to
continue those variances or not.. This is a request for. a variance so that Brighton
Corporation does not have to the a ditch.
Rountree: And that is the -it's actually two, is it not?
Crookston: Two.
Rountree: Certainly the two councilmen need to receive copies of the previously
prepared variance Findings of Facts and Conclusions. We need to have their input on
what their desires are. I would suggest that the conclusion be similar to what had been
discussed with the previous Council, and if the new Council wants to modify those, at
least we'll have an opportunity for input from those two council people. I guess my
suggestion is that we have Council resurrect those Findings and present them to the
Council and again, and I'll make a motion that we table this item until -can we have
them next meeting, Wayne?
Crookston: YFS.
Rountree: Until February 17tH
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February 3, 1998
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Bird: Second.
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Rountree and seconded by Mr. Bird- that we table item
number four until February the 17"', 1998. Any further discussion?
Bentley: Where are we with the meetings with Nampa on the ditches and the tilings and
stuff?
Rountree: The Ordinance.
Bentley: The Ordinance.
Crookston: The Council has not specifically met with Nampa and Meridian, and they
desire that the Safford lateral be piped, and the City granted that variance. That's as
much as I can tell you right now. That's what happened in I think the middle meeting in
November.
Bentley: Thank you.
Corrie: Any further discussion? All those in favor of the motion to table say aye.
Smith: I'm sorry to interrupt Mr. Mayor. I guess I just wanted to add a comment for the
new council members. As I recall the variance for piping of the Safford lateral was
approved for Golf View and Tumbeny, and that had to do with the slope of the ground
that was available -the amount of head that was available to carry the water through a
pipe 48" in diameter or smaller. And the engineering calculations and the testimony
Nampa and Meridian Irrigation District indicated that it would not - a 48" diameter pipe
would not carry the flow, as I recall. I think that's correct. The second part of this
variance request has to do with -and probably the part that's more argumentative -has
to do with how Eight Mile lateral was to be handled in terms of piping or not or fencing.
And I think that question was tied with the revisions to our tiling of ditches ordinance
where we were to -Shari and I were to present to the Council and the Mayor a revision
to that ordinance that would allow some flexibility for the developer to utilize the
waterways as amenities to the development. And that we wouldn't get into a situation
similar to where we are at Los Alamitos Subdivision having a ditch tiled and having it
fenced and having a 30 foot wide non-usable strip of ground that is almost without a key
to the locked gate at each end is inaccessible to anybody but the irrigation district. And
Shari and I both feet that that particular installation is going to be a problem in the future
for the residents. So the bigger issue of this variance request had to do with the Eight
Mile lateral. The Safford lateral was addressed, and as I remember it, it was the
variance was approved by the Council for Golf mew and for Tumberry, but the issue of
how we treat the Eight Mile lateral through Brighton's property remains to be resolved. I
think that the engineer for the development has submitted calculations showing that a
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February 3, 1998
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48" diameter pipe won't carry the water. Nampa Meridian is claiming that it will. And
they also want it fenced so they have access to it. And that is the big question.
Bentley: Point of clarificatPon, Gary, at the beginning of your conversation you said the
Safford lateral had been approved through Golf View and to be tiled and said that it
would carry the water.
Smith: To not be tiled -
Bentley: -- not the it.
Smith: Right. A 48" diameter pipe would not carry the water in the Safford -through
that reach -because it's so flat.
Bentley: But you said that Nampa said it would?
Smith: No. The Eight Mile lateral. They said a 48" pipe would carry it. So they want it
piped. But the engineer for the development contradicts that and his calculations show
that a 48" pipe would not carry it. Again due to the slope of the ground and the
available head for the distance. We have a couple of crossings in out there that are 48"
diameter pipe, but on short lengths. You don't have that problem to deal with.
Bentley: Right. Thank you.
Rountree: Mr. Mayor, question for Gary. Has there been any discussion on the need
for access across that for parking lot, or bridges between activities on the golf course?
Smith: No.
Rountree: Your discussion brought that -
Smith: There have been license agreements written with Nampa Meridian for those
crossings. We had to cross the ditch with conduits for pressurized irrigation and
believe there was a sleeve inserted for -could be wrong -sewer service. But I'm not
certain of that. There were several sleeves that crossed the ditch near the clubhouse,
the future clubhouse location, and I believe there's also a couple of pipes in the ditch
out there for access on the golf course. But they are relatively short lengths.
Rountree: Now refresh my memory on what we did approve. I remember the approval
on Safford for Golf View. Was it presented to us as a Brighton variance on that portion,
and this one is being referred to Ashford Greens Sub?
Smith: I think that Golf View was presented as a varionce from the developer of Golf
View, because I remember EHM's engineering representative attending the council
meeting. I can't think of the gentleman's name - is it McCoy, Brian McCoy I believe is
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the developer of that. I think it came through as Golf View, request for variance. And
coincidentally, of course the centerline is contiguous from Golf View to Brighton's
property. Basically running down the ditch. So I think that the ,big question of this
variance has to do with the disposition of the Eight Mile lateral and how we can how the
city can agree with the developer and perhaps the irrigation district too to maintain
access, to utilize the ground, and that was the big concern. I think that's the underlying
reason for the variance request by Brighton because Nampa Meridian wanted it piped.
They wanted it fenced, and Brighton didn't feel that was appropriate. So I don't have an
answer for you, but I think that's the big question, and it has not been answered yet.
And I think that the revisions to the piping of ditch ordinance section was initiated by this
variance request.
Rountree: It was.
Smith: And we've submitted -Shari and I have submitted to you at work sessions the
proposed changes to that piping and ditch ordinance which includes laying the slope
back -side slope on the ditches and so forth depending on the velocity of the water.
And I'm sure that it's going to come down to a point of nose-to-nose with the irrigation
district.
Rountree: One final question. I know -not the last planning meeting, but the previous
meeting -there were no additional comments made on your draft ordinance. What's
the status of pulling that together in terms of preliminary ordinance for consideration?
And if you've got some point that need clarification, maybe we should get those on the
table so we can get those resolved.
Stiles: We could get that scheduled to go before Planning and Zoning next month.
Rountree: Okay, thank you.
Smith: Mr. Mayor, one other thing, 1 think that Shari brought up, as 1 was talking, I think
Brighton now is pretty much out of the picture on the property ownership where this
variance was requested. It's now, as I understand it, owned by Steiner Development.
Rountree: This is part of Steiner?
Smith: Yeah. There might be a small piece that they still own. But the majority of it is
Steiner's property. So I'm not sure how that figures into the variance request, whether
that's transferable to the new owner, if they need to be signatory to that request or not.
Thank you.
Cowie: Any further discussion?
Rountree: Mr. Mayor, having heard that discussion, I would withdraw my motion if I
could a second withdrawn.
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February 3, 1998
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Bird: I withdraw.
Rountree: I will withdraw'my motion and move that we table this item until March 3rd
with a brief status report from staff and Counsel on this issue and in anticipation of the
draft ordinance being before Planning and Zoning.
Bird: I'll second that.
Corrie: Motion is made by Mr. Rountree and second by Mr. Bird to table item number
four until the March 3ro meeting. Any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in
favor, say aye.
MOTION CARRIED: All aye.
ITEM NO. 5: PUBLIC HEARING PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR TEARE COMMERCIAL
SUBDIVISION BY RON VAN AUKER - NW CORNER OF TEARE
AVENUE/OVERLAND ROAD:
Corrie: At this time I'll open the public hearing and invite the representative of Van
Auker to come forward.
GAYLE JENSEN WAS SWORN IN BY CITY ATTORNEY
Jensen: My name is Gayle Jensen. I reside at 9975 Sussex Drive, Boise, Idaho.
Basically we are here for preliminary approval on our plat to clear up this property and
make it into a legal subdivision. We had originally three pieces of property. We sold
one off to -that was actually four piece, but - we sold one off to what is now Store-
More company. Originally, we had sold it to the Boy Scouts of America, and they sold it
to Store-More. We still two legal lots there which we've developed. And we are now
trying to make this into a legal subdivision and create a third lot that we can build on in
the comer there.
Corrie: Questions?
Rountree: I have none for him.
Bird: I have none.
Bentley: I have none.
Anderson: None.
Corrie: Anyone else from the public like to issue testimony in this hearing? Hearing
none I shalt close the public hearing. Council discussion from staff.
BEFORE THE MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL
BRIGHTON CORPORATION
VARIANCE FOR A VARIANCE FROM 11-9-605 M
TILING OF THE 8 - MILE AND 3AFFORD LATERALS
PROPERTY IS EAST OF BLACR CAT ROAD
BETWEEN USTICR AND CHERRY LANE
AND IS PART OF ASHFORD GREENS SUBDIVISION
MERIDIAN, IDAHO
FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
The above entitled Application was filed on or about March 27,
1995, and initially came on for public hearing April 18, 1995, at
the hour of 7 : 30 o'clock p.m. , the Petitioner appearing through the
project's engineer, Gene Smith, and before the hearing Applicant
requested that it be deferred but since the public hearing had been
not.,iced the hearing was held and some evidence provided by Mr.
Smith; at the end of t}ie hearing the public hearing was continued
tv October 17, 1995, at the request of Mr. Smith; that. the matter
was requested not to be heard again on several occasions; on March
1.9, 1996, ttie mater came on for public hearing again; the Meridian
City Council having duly considered the evidence presented and the
matter, makes the following Findings of Fact and Conclusions:
FINDINGS OF FACT
1. That a notice of a public hearing on the Conditional Use
Permit was published for two (2) consecutive weeks prior to the
said public hearing scheduled for April 18, 1995, the first
publication of which was fifteen (15) days prior to said hearing;
that the matter was duly considered at the April 18, 1995, hearing;
that the public was given full opportunity to express comments and
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submit evidence; and that copies of all notices were available to
newspaper, radio and television stations.
2. That notice of public hearing is required to be sent to
property owners within 300 feet of the external boundaries of the
land being considered pursuant to 11-2-416 E. , 11-2-419 D. , and 11-
9-612 B. l.b of the Revised and Compiled Ordinances of the City of
Meridian; that his requirement has been met.
3. That the property is located within the City of Meridian;
it is located on the east side of Black Cat Road between Ustick and
Cherry Lane; the parcel is part of a parcel of property that was
annexed by the City over fourteen years ago and part of a parcel
that has recently been annexed.
4. The application for the variance stated that the request
was for the City to waive the Ordinance requirement to pipe the
Eight Mile and Safford Laterals; that both laterals would require
a pipe larger than 48" which would cause financial hardship on the
developer; that the developer is Brighton Corporation..
5. That the Applicant submitted a variance request to be
allowed not to meet and comply with Meridian Ordinance 11-9-605 M,
which states as follows:
"11-9-605 M, PIPING OF DITCHES
Tiling of irrigation ditches, laterals or canals. All
irrigation ditches, laterals or canals, exclusive of natural
waterways, intersecting, crossing, or lying adjacent and
contiguous, or which canals, ditches or laterals touch either
or both sides of the area being subdivided, shall be covered
and enclosed with tiling or other covering equivalent in
ability to detour access to said ditch, lateral or canal. The
City may waive this requirement for covering such ditch,
lateral or canal if it finds that the public purpose requiring
such will not be served in the individual case. Any covering
program involving the distribution system of any irrigation
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district shall have the prior approval of that affected
irrigation district. No subdivision plat shall be approved
where the subdivision is arbitrarily or artificially laid out
to avoid being adjacent to any waterway, irrigation ditch,
lateral or canal to which it would otherwise be naturally
adjacent or which it would otherwise naturally include.
In the tiling of any irrigation or drainage ditch not within
the jurisdiction of an irrigation or drainage district, it
shall be completed so as not to impede the movement of the
amount of water crossing the property in the open ditch prior
to development and the tiling of the ditch or canal. The
pipeline shall have a sloped bar-grated inlet structure and
access/cleanout boxes at a maximum of four hundred feet (400' )
spacing and at all single points of the pipeline.
Where the ditch under consideration is on the boundary between
the land being developed and adjacent land not owned by the
developer or the owner of the land being developed, or is in
fact the boundary, the ditch shall still be tiled. The
developer shall attempt to obtain the permission of the
adjacent landowner to the the ditch and attempt to have the
adjacent landowner share in the cost of the tiling. If the
adjacent landowner is unwilling to cooperate in sharing the
cost of the tiling but willing to allow the use of his land
for tiling, the developer shall the the ditch at his sole
cost. If the adjacent landowner is unwilling to allow his
land to be used for purposes of tiling the ditch, the
developer may request the City to condemn that part of the
adjacent land necessary to the the waterway, but the
developer shall be required to pay all of the cost of
condemnation and pay all of the costs of obtaining the
adjacent land and all of the cost of tiling the ditch, lateral
or canal."
6. That the Applicant submitted a variance request as
required by 11-2-418 and stated in response to several of the
variance Ordinance requirements, that the district that pertains to
the subject property was the Nampa-Meridian Irrigation District;
that the characteristics preventing compliance with the piping
requirement were the size of pipe required to the the laterals
which would create an economic hardship on the developer; that
Applicant stated the requirements of the piping Ordinance, as the
requirement of the Ordinance that needed to be reduced to permit
the proposed use; that in response to variance requirement 14.,
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Applicant stated, basically, as follows:
The dimensions of the Eight Mile water flow are 18 feet wide
at the surface and 16 feet wide at the bottom, 4 1/2 feet deep
as an average and 16 feet wide at the bottom. The Safford
dimensions of water flow are 14 feet wide at the surface, 4
feet deep on an average and 10 feet wide at the bottom.
it went on to state that the difficulty or hardship which would
result if the Ordinance were applied was stated as being the
dimensions of the laterals and due to that size, the considerable
cost of piping would be well beyond what is considered standard or
reasonable development cost; that in response to items 15 . and 16 . ,
of the Application requirements, which required response to the
following:
"15. Unusual or peculiar circumstances which indicate that
regulations of this Ordinance should not be strictly complied
with."
and
"16. Statement that special conditions and circumstances exist
which are peculiar to the land, structure or buildings
involved which are not applicable to other lands, structures
or buildings in the same district.";
Applicant stated, in its response, that the Eight Mile and Safford
Laterals are located on the eastern and southern boundaries,
respectively, of the proposed development; both canals are higher
in elevation that the surrounding development; both of these
factors create situations where the detouring of access is easily
achieved by the installation of a fence along the full length of
the property adjoining the laterals; that there have been other
subdivisions, because their boundaries do not encompass the Eight
Mile or Safford Laterals, have not had to incur the development
cost that Applicant would if required to the the two laterals;
that fencing of the laterals, restricting access, is a much more
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viable solution.
Applicant stated in response to requirement 17., which
requires:
"Statement that a literal interpretation of the provisions of
this Ordinance shall deprive the applicant of rights commonly
enjoyed by other properties in the same district under terms
of this Ordinance;",
that surrounding subdivisions have fenced both laterals, or other
laterals, as the Applicant is proposing to do. In response to
requirement No. 19, which is as follows:
"19. Statement that granting the variance requested shall not
confer on the applicant any special privilege that is denied
by this Ordinance to other lands, structures or buildings in
the same district;",
Applicant stated the response was the same as the response for item
17., which was that other developers have not tiled laterals but
have fenced them.
It is specifically found that Applicant did not have a
response to, or an answer to variance requirement number 23. , which
states as follows:
"23. A statement of how the granting of the variance would
convenience the applicant and how the applicant would
profit therefrom, which statement shall also represent
whether profit and convenience is the sole reason why the
variance is requested."
7. That Gene Smith testified at the April 18, 1995, hearing
that it has been the policy of the City not to require a ditch to
be piped if the water flow required a pipe in excess of 48 inches;
that he met with Nampa & Meridian on site to take a look at the
requirements, materials, and requirements of flow; that he believed
that they had provided calculations to the City Engineer which
detailed a need for a 60 inch pipe to pipe the Safford and a 54
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inch CNP to pipe the Eight Mile; further investigation he did
revealed an existing 3 X 6 box culvert under Black Cat [ Road ] where
the Eight Mile Drain crosses and a 3 X 8 box where the Safford
crosses; that the area of those box culverts far exceed the
diameter or surface area of a 48 inch diameter pipe; that based on
that information, he believed that the Eight Mile and Safford
Laterals should not be piped.
.~ uvr d.
8. -,3s#~rTurnbull, President of Brighton Corporation, at the
March 19, 1996, hearing, submitted drawings of the land area where
the piping would occur and testified basically as follows:
If you calculate the piping in a CNP corrugated metal pipe the
Safford Lateral requires a 60 inch pipe, the Eight Mile
lateral requires a 54 inch pipe. It is possible to run it into
a 48 inch concrete pipe. As you know, that is rather
expensive. In fact I just got some updated costs on 48 inch
concrete pipe and 48 inch concrete pipe is approximately
$77.00 a foot for material and installation. That is just a
portion of the cost in addition to that you will. have. A
running footing concrete structure, is required at least every
400 feet. In addition to that, Nampa-Meridian Irrigation
District requires you to install a gravel access road over
their ditch even where they don't have an existing gravel
access. .Now they want you to install an upgraded road for
their system at approximately $20 afoot. Not only that, but
they want you to fence it as well at approximately $8 a foot.
So the total for the piping is about $113 a running foot to
bury those pipes. If you take the approximate 2000 feet of the
Safford lateral plus approximately 2240 feet of the Eight Mile
Lateral, that is a total cost of just under a half a million
to bury those two pipes. [$479,120.00]
Mr. Turnbull also stated that it would be probably at least
two years before he developed any of these parcels and that he was
not in hurry to have this variance request decided; he also
addressed the desirability of the City requiring the piping of
irrigation laterals and other water works and he desired that the
requirement of tiling be re-addressed and seriously considered.
9. That Councilman Morrow stated that he understood Mr.
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Turnbull to state that even if the laterals were piped, there would
still be a need to provide a gravel access road and the easement
would have to be fenced; Mr. Turnbull responded that is what was
required in Bedford Place Subdivision, but upon Mr. Morrow's
further inquiry he stated that he did not have a letter on that and
he had not made a submittal to Nampa-Meridian on that; Mr. Morrow
questioned whether there would be places for crossings of golf
carts and pedestrians, to which Mr. Turnbull stated there would
have to be crossings, of some kind, for culvert system crossings;
Mr. Morrow asked, if a variance was granted would they be willing
to participate in that, to which Mr. Turnbull stated that they
would certainly talk about that; Mr. Turnbull then stated that he
was not looking for any answers that night and he understands that
this is a complex and complicated issue; that he is not in a hurry,
but he desired to get the issues out on the table and would pursue
not only this variance issue, but also the entire piping
requirement.
10. That land use of the land was agricultural; that the
property is intended to be developed with R-4 single family
residential lots and a Planned Unit Development - Residential,
which would not have R-4 lots; the City Council held a public
hearing on the Planned Unit Development - Residential, the same
night as this variance request was heard; and the laterals flow
adjacent to land that will become golf course and through land that
will be in the golf course.
11. That the property in the area where the variance is
requested is zoned R-4, Low Density Residential.
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12. That the Application states that Brighton Corporation is
the owner of the property.
13. The Nampa-Meridian Irrigation District submitted comments
for the April 18, 1995, public hearing, which stated as follows:
"Nampa & Meridian Irrigation District feels that a 48 inch
pipe would be adequate for either the Safford Lateral or the
Eightmile Lateral. The Safford Lateral runs approximately
2,000 inches of water; the Eightmile Lateral runs
approximately 1,900 inches of water. We feel that 48 inch
pipe would work adequately for these flows."
14. That there have been quite a few applications for
variances so the applicant would not have to the the Eight Mile
Lateral; that the closest subdivision to this Applicant's land,
whose developer requested such a variance from tiling the Eight
Mile Lateral, is Parkside Creek, which is across Cherry Lane
directly south of Cherry Lane Village No. 1 Subdivision; that
Albertson's also requested such a variance for its land which abuts
Parkside Creek but is across the lateral from Parkside Creek; that
requests for variances not to be required to the the Eight Mile
Lateral have been granted for land near Overland Road, near East
First Street, near Meridian Road, and in a few other areas.
15. That the Eight Mile Lateral is tiled in Cherry Lane
Village Subdivision in various areas and it is open in various
areas; that most of it in Cherry Lane Village No. 1 is not tiled;
that when it was tiled in Cherry Lane Subdivision No. 1 there was
no City requirement that irrigation canals laterals be tiled.
16. That portions of the Safford Lateral are tiled and
portions are not tiled; that the City has not previously had an
application for a variance to not have to the that lateral; that
the City has little information on the Safford Lateral.
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17. That the Applicant did not provide detailed information
on the Safford Lateral or the Eight Mile Lateral; the only
information on either lateral provided by the Applicant was in the
Application, some information was stated at the public hearing on
April 18, 1995, and Mr. Turnbull's statements were given, but they
were conclusions, without supporting engineering, that the 8 Mile
should require a 54 inch pipe and the Safford a 60 inch pipe; he
did not state the kind of pipe he thought should be used; he did
state though that concrete pipe would carry a greater amount of
water than a CNP corrugated metal pipe.
18. That the City first adopted an Ordinance requiring tiling
of irrigation ditches, laterals and canals on September 4, 1979,
which was subsequently repealed a few years later but was re-
enacted in October of 1991; thus there have been periods of time
when the city had the tiling requirement and when it did not; that
a portion of Golf View Estates Subdivision was developed when the
City did not have the tiling requirement in force and Cherry Lane
Village Subdivision No. 1 and No. 2 was developed prior to
September 1979.
19. That the City is unaware of the existing requirements of
the Nampa & Meridian Irrigation District requirements if and when
irrigation laterals or ditches are piped or tiled.
20. That all of the City files for Applications for variances
of 11-9-605 M of the Revised and Compiled Ordinances of the City of
Meridian, for not tiling the Eight Mile Lateral, including but not
limited to, the application, City comments, engineering data and
information, agencies submittals, and the Findings of Fact and
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Conclusions of Law, specifically including the comments and
information provided by the Nampa & Meridian Irrigation District,
are incorporated herein as if set forth in full.
21. There was no other public testimony given.
CONCLUSIONS
1. That all the procedural requirements of the Local
Planning Act and of the Ordinances of the City of Meridian have
been met including the mailing of notice to owners of property
within 300 feet of the external boundaries of the Applicant's
property.
2. That the City has authority to grant variances pursuant
to Section 11-2-419 of the Zoning Ordinance and pursuant to Section
11-9-612 of the Development Ordinances.
3. That the City Council has judged this application by the
guidelines, standards, criteria, and policies contained in the
Subdivision and Development Ordinance upon which it may take
judicial notice.
4. That the Council may take judicial notice of its own
proceedings, those of the Commission, governmental statutes,
ordinances, and policies, and of actual conditions existing within
the City and the State.
5. That the following provision of Section 11-9-605 M,
PIPING OF DITCHES, is noted, which is pertinent to the Application:
"The City may waive this requirement for covering such ditch,
lateral or canal, if it finds that the public purpose
reauirina such will not be served in the individual case."
(Emphasis Added.)
6. That the City Council has considered changing the
Ordinance regarding the piping of large ditches; that the Ordinance
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may be changed, but it is still in effect; that recently the City
has allowed variances from the piping requirement where it has been
shown that the pipe required would be larger than 48 inches; that
the City has not denied an application for a variance for not
tiling the Eight Mile Lateral; that it has not addressed the tiling
of the Safford lateral that can be found.
7. That the specific requirements regarding a variance that
must be evidenced and found by the City Council are as follows:
"No variance shall be favorably acted upon by the Council
unless there is a finding, as a result of a public hearing,
that all of the following exist:
a. That there are such special circumstances or conditions
affecting the property that the strict application of the
provisions of this Ordinance would be clearly
impracticable or unreasonable; in such cases, the
subdivider shall first state his reasons in writing as to
the specific provision or requirement involved;
b. That strict compliance with the requirements of this
Ordinance would result in extraordinary hardship to the
subdivider because of unusual topography, the nature or
condition of adjacent development, other physical
conditions or other conditions that make strict
compliance with this Ordinance unreasonable under the
circumstances, or that the conditions and requirements of
this Ordinance will result in inhibiting the achievement
or objectives of this Ordinance.
c. That the granting of the specified variance will not be
detrimental to the public welfare or injurious to other
property in the area in which the property is situated;
d. That such variance will not violate the provisions of the
Idaho code; and
e. That such variance will not have the effect of nullifying
the interest and purpose of this Ordinance and the
Comprehensive Development Plan.
9. That there does appear to be a specific benefit or profit,
economic gain or convenience to the Applicant if this variance is
granted.
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10. That the information provided by the Applicant appeared
to be conflicting with other information provided, not only by
Nampa & Meridian but also by Applicant; Applicant's Application
states the water flow dimensions of the Eight Mile Lateral as being
18 feet wide at the surface, 16 feet wide at the bottom, and 4 1/2
feet deep as an average; that the Safford water flow dimensions
were 14 feet wide at the surface, 10 feet wide at the bottom, and
4 feet deep on an average; that from this information it could be,
non-engineeringly, concluded that the Eight Mile carries its water
in roughly a 17' X 4.5' or 76.5 square foot area and the Safford
carries its water in a roughly 12 X 4 or 48 square foot area; that
it could be concluded from that information that the Eight Mile
Lateral carries much more water than the Safford Lateral; that the
statement of the size of the culvert boxes stated by Applicant's
engineer, as Found in Finding No. 7, and due to the comment of
Nampa & Meridian Irrigation District that the Eight Mile carries
1,900 inches of water and the Safford 2,000 inches, as found in
Finding No. 13., would indicate that one party is in error or in
error in providing some information.
11. However, it was not shown that the tiling of the two
laterals would result in extraordinary hardship to the Applicant
because of unusual topography, the nature or conditions of adjacent
development, other physical conditions or other conditions that
make strict compliance with the Ordinance requiring the piping or
tiling of these two laterals unreasonable under the circumstances
or that the conditions and requirements of the Ordinance would
result in inhibiting the achievements or objectives of the
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Ordinance; that if piping of the ditch is required and this
variance granted, other safety measures must be undertaken to
assist the health, safety, and welfare of the people of this City.
12. That sufficient information and data has not been
provided by both the Applicant and the Nampa & Meridian Irrigation
District to specifically determine that the total possible amount
of water that both the Eight Mile and Safford carry, or may have to
carry, cart or cannot be carried by a 48 inch pipe in the location
where the pipe would be located or whether there is enough grade to
assist in the carrying of the water in a pipe, whether the pipe be
concrete or CNP corrugated metal pipe; it is therefore concluded
that there is insufficient information for the City to grant or
deny this variance.
13. That the Nampa & Meridian Irrigation District has
indicated that it desires that the ditch be tiled since it believes
it could be accomplished with a 48 inch pipe; but it has not stated
that it would assume all responsibility for the operation and
maintenance of a pi~~ed lateral, if the City required such.
14. That it was stated by David Turnbull that Nampa &
Meridian Irrigation District has required fencing of the irrigation
easement when a canal, lateral or ditch has been covered, that even
though the waterway was tiled it was also required to place a road
over the waterway and gravel it, and that grass, plants and/or
shrubs could not be placed within the irrigation easement even
though the waterway had been piped; the City is not aware, nor has
it been informed, of these requirement by the District; that it is
concluded that such requirements may be overly costly, particularly
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when the land owner or developer has paid for the cost of tiling
the waterway, may interfere with lot sales, and not be
aesthetically pleasing; that it is concluded that such
requirements, if required by the irrigation district involved in
this variance, or any other irrigation district, if the City deems
them to be unreasonable when the owner or developer has already
paid for the tiling costs.
15. That it is concluded that there is not sufficient
inf_-ormatioii for the City to make and adopt the required findings
under Section 11-2-419 C or 11-9-612 A. 2. in regard to the tiling
of these laterals.
16. That it is further concluded that the City shall obtain
information from the Nampa & Meridian Irrigation District as to
what its requirements are pertaining to fencing, graveled roads,
use of the irrigation easement if the irrigation ditch, canal or
lateral is tiled, what use of the easement and the land upon which
it is located the owner of the land which is subject to the
easement has, or may have,
17. That it is concluded that the Applicant has not provided
sufficient engineering information on the tiling of the laterals,
that the information but Applicant presented created some questions
rather than answering some questions, that the City needs
information from Nampa & Meridian Irrigation District regarding its
policies and resolutions when an irrigation waterway is tiled, and
it is concluded that based upon the information provided by Nampa
& Meridian Irrigation District, and other irrigation districts
which serve land in Meridian, that the City may desire to, not only
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change the ordinance regarding the size of pipe required before
piping is required, but whether tiling should be required.
18. That is concluded that a decision to deny or grant this
Application for a variance from 11-9-605 M, PIPING OF DITCHES,
should not be made at this time; it is further concluded that this
decision not to make a decision is supported by the Applicant/s
statement that he does not anticipate developing the land for up to
two years and by the fact and conclusion that the City did not have
all of the necessary information to make the decision; it is
further concluded that the Applicant shall provide the additional
information discussed above to the City and the City shall make
efforts to obtain the information that it needs to make a decision
on this matter, as discussed above; it is further concluded that
this should be table until the /-day of ~~ , 1996 .
APPROVAL OF FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS
The City Council of the City of Meridian does hereby adopts
and approves these Findings of Fact and Conclusions.
ROLL CALL:
COUNCILMAN MORROW
COUNCILMAN BENTLEY
COUNCILMAN ROUNTREE
COUNCILMAN TOLSMA
MAYOR CORRIE (TIE BREAKER)
VOTED
VOTED
VOTED r.l.u
VOTED
VOTED
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That it is decided, pursuant to the above stated Findings of
Fact and Conclusions of Law, the this Application for a variance
from 11-9-605 M of the Revised and Compiled Ordinanppc,~,es of the City
of Meridian is hereby table until the ~ day of /ul ,
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DISAPPROVED:
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COMMENTS
MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING: MAY 7.1996
APPLICANT: BRIGHTON CORPORATION ITEM NUMBE~'2; 2
REQUEST; FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW FOR VARIANCE FOR ASHFORD
GREENS SUBDNISION
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CITY CLERK:
CITY ENGINEER:
CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR:
CITY ATTORNEY:
CITY POLICE DEPT:
CITY FIRE DEPT:
CITY BUILDING DEPT:
MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT:
MERIDIAN POST OFFICE:
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT:
ADA COUNTY STREET NAME COMMITTEE:
CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH:
NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION:
SETTLERS IRRIGATION:
IDAHO POWER:
US WEST:
INTERMOUNTAIN GAS:
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Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I would move that we instruct the City Attorney to prepare new findings
of fact and conclusions.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree that new findings of fact and'
conclusions of law be drawn up by the City Attorney, any further discussion? All those in
favor of the motion? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #3: PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR DOVE MEADOWS NO.2 SUBDIVISION BY DAVE
LEADER; TABLED MARCH 5, 1996:
Corrie: So we can table that one until the new findings of fact and conclusions of law.
Tolsma: So moved
Bentley: Second
Corrie: Moved by Mr. Tolsma, second by Mr. Bentley that we table the plat for Dove
Meadows No. 2 Subdivision until the next meeting which will be April (End of Tape)
ITEM #4: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW FOR VARIANCE
REQUEST FOR ASHFORD GREENS SUBDIVISION BY BRIGHTON CORPORATION:
Corrie: Council I believe, Counselor is this the one we were discussing? Okay, you have
the findings of fact and conclusions for the variance request which is a variance for a
variance.
Morrow: Correction on page 6, item 8, it is a typo that says John Turnbull it should say
David. I have a question on page 13, item 12, we had talked about the information coming
from Nampa Meridian apparently it hasn't come, is that correct Gary? The Nampa Meridian
new design for cover ditches with gravel and fencing, we don't have any confirmation from
Nampa Meridian on any of that information is that correct?
Smith: I haven't seen anything.
Morrow: Essentially what these findings of fact do is that they decide not to decide due to
the lack of information.
Meridian City Council
April 2, 1996
Page 14
Corrie: That is correct.
Morrow: I would like to ask the counselor, he has indicated in item 18 page 15 that it is
concluded that this should be tabled until the blank day of, month of 19 whatever.
Crookston: That is for the Council to decide that is why it is left blank. The concern was
that the information that was provided (inaudible} but also the information that the City has
and also the concem of the applicant has been addressed by other developers about the
necessity for the the of the ditches (inaudible) did not have information from Nampa
Meridian as to what they require when a ditch is tiled because the applicant stated that he
had been in Bedford Place even though the ditch was tiled he was required to fence the
easement and to gravel the easement where the pipe had been laid. The question then
becomes is it (inaudible) which clearly indicates that Bedford Place (inaudible) improved
aesthetically (inaudible) Fothergill is more difficult to make an irrigation lateral more
aesthetically pleasing than it is a drain ditch 1 believe but 1 think we need some information
on that and what it brings to the City is to reevaluate whether or not you want the ditches
piped and need to go to Nampa Meridian to get some direct information from them as to
what happens when the ditch is tiled.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, if there is no further discussion I am prepared to move that we table
these until May 7th, that will give us 30 days to try and get some of these answers given
the developers indication by his letter dated the 29th of March that should cause no undue
burden to him and in the mean time it will enable both of us to do our research and resolve
the problem. So I would move we table until Tuesday May 7th.
Tolsma: Second
Corrie: Okay, motion is made to table the variance until May 7th and second by Mr.
Tolsma, all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Morrow: I would then move that we adopt the findings of fact and conclusions of law as
prepared for us.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree that we adopt the findings
of fact and conclusions of law, any further discussion? Councilman Morrow
Crookston: Excuse me Mr. Mayor, I would like to address the issue that (inaudible) when
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April 2, 1996
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we get the information that we are desirous of.
Corrie: We can do that at that time. I will continue the vote.
ROLL CALL VOTE: Morrow -Yea; Bentley -Yea, Rountree -Yea, Tolsma -Yea
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Morrow: Mr. Mayor the decision would be that it is decided pursuant to the above stated
findings of fact and conclusions of law that this application for a variance from 11-9-605N
of the revised and compiled ordinances of the City of Meridian is hereby tabled until the
7th day of May, 1996.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion is made and seconded on the decision, all those in favor say aye?
Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #5: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW FOR CONDITIONAL USE
PERMIT FOR THE LAKE AT CHERRY LANE NO. 5 BY STEINER DEVELOPMENT:
Corrie: Council you have the findings of fact and conclusions of law in front of you, any
discussion at this point?
Morrow: On page 9, item 4, I believe the number 5 should be inserted in, 40 foot right of
way, five foot sidewalks on one side. On age 20, item 2, last sentence, it says totally
reconstruct them in 20 parentheses, it should say 20 years not 30. Same issue on page
24, item 11, last three words, them in 20 parentheses it should be 20 years not 30. The
last comment I have is with respect to under conclusions on page 23, item 6, it says
constructing and placing the recreation club house and all amenities thereto including the
swimming pool. On page 13, in the testimony, I am sorry page 16 in the testimony it was
indicated that the club house, for the club house the structure would be built immediately
upfront with the subdivision improvements and so I think that ought to be reflected in line
6, that the construction time is as advertised or as presented to us by Mr. Bradbury and
Mr. Campbell that it would be done up front.
Rountree: I would make the same comment for item 7 as well.
Morrow: That would be correct.
MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING: APRIL 2.1996
APPLICANT: BRIGHTON CORPORATION ITEM NUMBER; 4
REQUEST; VARIANCE REQUEST FOR ASHFORD GREENS SUBDNlSION
AGENCY
CITY CLERK:
CITY ENGINEER:
CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR:
CITY ATTORNEY:
CITY POLICE DEPT:
CITY FIRE DEPT:
CITY BUILDING DEPT:
MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT:
MERIDIAN POST OFFICE:
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Mayor Corrie and City Council
City of Meridian
33 E. Idaho
Meridian, ID 83642
RE: Variance Request for Ashford Greens Subdivision
Deaz Mayor and Council Members:
I am submitting this letter to the Mayor and City Council Members as a summary of the
testimony I presented at the Mazch 19, 1996 City Council Meeting regazding the variance
application of Brighton Corporation for Ashford Greens Subdivision (Tiling of the Safford
Lateral and Eight Mile Lateral).
As I stated in the hearing, Nampa Meridian Irrigation District (N1VlID) recently imposed a
restriction on the type of pipe used in tiling irrigation ditches to (1) reinforced concrete pipe and
(2) 10 gauge corrugated metal pipe (CMP). Other responsible governmental agencies,
including ACRD and the Idaho Public Works Commission allow other types of pipe, such as
lighter gauge CMP and more sophisticated PVC pipe such asADS-N12.
Of the two types of pipe now allowed by NMID, CMP is more cost effective. Tiling of the
Safford and Eight Mile laterals would require 60" and 54" CMP pipe respectively. Both aze in
excess of the 48" threshold required by Meridian City for purposes of tiling. Concrete pipe
would work, but costs approximately $14 per foot more than CMP.
The Safford Lateral flows in a westerly direction on the center line between Golf View Estates
and Ashford Greens for a distance of 1,980 feet. Of this length, approximately 600 feet is
already platted in Golf View Estates No. 2 (recorded September 8, 1992) in an open condition.
The estimated cost to pipe the total distance of 1,980 feet with concrete pipe, including fencing
and gravel access would be $223,740.
The Eight Mile Lateral flows generally in a north to northwest direction along the eastern
boundary of Ashford Greens abutting the current No. 1 fairway of the golf course (where the
current temporary clubhouse sits) for a distance of 920 feet, then through golf course property
for approximately 1,500 feet, then again along the northern border of Ashford Greens for a
distance of 1,320 feet. The estimated cost to pipe the total distance of 2,240 feet running
through or abutting Ashford Greens subdivision with concrete pipe, including fencing and
gravel access would be $253,120.
12426 W. Explorer Drive, Suite 220 • Boise, Idaho 83713 • TEL 208-378-4000 • FAX 208-377-8962
In total, the estimated cost to pipe both the Safford and Eight Mile Laterals would be $476,860.
This is an expense in addition the cost to pipe smaller ditches (12" to 18") also found on the
property.
In previous discussions with the former Mayor Kingsford, he asked if it wouldn't be worth the
expense of piping the lateral in order to gain use of the ground upon which the lateral flows.
The Safford Lateral, for instance, could potentially abut up to 23 single family residential lots.
At a cost of $223,740 to pipe, it equates to $9,728 per lot to pipe the lateral. Even then, under
NMID's requirements, we still don't gain beneficial use of the ground. NMID still requires an
open corridor over the pipe with a gravel access road and fencing to prevent encroachment by
the owners. The answer to the former mayor's question is, "No, we don't benefit at all."
Also in previous discussions with the former mayor, he agreed that it would be reasonable to
leave the Eight Mile Lateral between the No. 1 Fairway and the parcel of Ashford Greens
designated for medium density housing in a open condition as a water amenity/golf hazard. It
was noted that these types of water hazards are useful in keeping golfers from driving into the
houses. It was also noted that this housing mix will be targeted toward empty nesters without
small children. We also discussed the fact that the Safford lateral has been left in a open
condition throughout Golf View Estates and Cherry Lane Subdivisions and he suggested that it
maybe appropriate to continue that condition through Ashford Greens. Of course, all of these
decisions are the jurisdiction of the City Council
In last Tuesday's hearing, Councilman Morrow asked if Brighton Corporation would be willing
to assist in some of the crossing work necessary in the golf course construction. I replied that I
was willing to talk about it. I am agreeable to the idea but I felt that the scope of work involved
and Brighton's contribution was something that would need to be discussed in another venue..
As I stated in the hearing, I am not in a hurry for a decision on this matter. If further
discussions need to be held in order to clarify the issues, I am happy to make myself available.
In summary, I believe that the variance can be granted based upon the following findings:
1. As a Planned Unit Development (PUD) surrounding a golf course with numerous
open waterways (laterals, lakes, ponds) the development is of a unique and special
character.
2. The estimated cost of piping both laterals at $476,860 is excessive and constitutes
a hardship upon Brighton Corporation.
3. Brighton Corporation proposes to fence each waterway where it abuts the
subdivision with a 6' non-climbable fence (cedar or chain link) to provide for
safety, thus achieving the overriding goal of the ordinance. This would be
consistent with the surrounding developments.
4. The granting of a variance will not violate Idaho Code.
5. Based upon using CMP pipe with the flows submitted by Nampa Meridian
Irrigation District to Hubble Engineering, each lateral exceeds the 48" size which
has been set by Meridian City as the threshold for piping. The pipe size required
for each of the laterals is:
• Safford Lateral: 60"
• Eight Mile Lateral: 54"
Finally, I am interested in the larger issue of the applicable ordinance and how it empowers the
irrigation districts to dictate the terms of surrender. After last Tuesday's hearing, I was
approached by three separate parties who thanked me for standing up and saying what we all
feel but are hesitant to voice for fear of reprisal. I think the City is learning (or about to learn)
of those frustrations as it goes about developing parks, greenbelts and the golf course.
Sincerely,
David Turnbull
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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING: DECEMBER 16.1997
APPLICANT: BRIGHTON CORPORATION ITEM NUMBER: 2
REQUEST: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW FOR VARIANCE REQUEST FOR
ASHFORD GREENS SUBDMSION
AGENCY
CITY CLERK:
CITY ENGINEER:
CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR:
CITY ATTORNEY:
CITY POLICE DEPT:
CITY FIRE DEPT:
CITY BUILDING DEPT:
MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT:
MERIDIAN POST OFFICE:
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT:
ADA COUNTY STREET NAME COMMITTEE:
CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH:
NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION:
SETTLERS IRRIGATION:
IDAHO POWER:
US WEST:
INTERMOUNTAIN GAS:
BUREAU OF RECLAMATION:
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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING: DECEMBER 2 1997
APPLICANT: BRIGHTON CORPORATION ITEM NUMBER: 2
REQUEST: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW FOR VARIANCE FOR ASHFORD GREENS
SUBDIVISION
AGENCY
CITY CLERK:
CITY ENGINEER:
CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR:
CITY ATTORNEY:
CITY POLICE DEPT:
CITY FIRE DEPT:
CITY BUILDING DEPT:
MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT:
MERIDIAN POST OFFICE:
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT:
ADA COUNTY STREET NAME COMMITTEE:
CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH:
NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION:
SETTLERS IRRIGATION:
IDAHO POWER:
US WEST:
INTERMOUNTAIN GAS:
BUREAU OF RECLAMATION:
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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL DECEMBER 2 1997
The regular meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to -order by Mayor Robert
D. Corrie at 7:30 P.M.:
MEMBERS PRESENT: Walt Morrow, Charlie Rountree, Glenn Bentley, Ron Tolsma:
OTHERS PRESENT: Will Berg, Wayne Crookston, Gary Smith, Bill Humphrey, Ronald
Van Auker:
MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING HELD NOVEMBER 18, 1997:
Corrie: Are there any corrections?
Tolsma: I move they be approved as written.
Morrow: Second
Corrie: Motion made they be approved as written, all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #1: TABLED SEPTEMBER 16, 1997: FINAL PLAT FOR DEVLIN PLACE
SUBDIVISION BY D.W. INC.:
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, there is a letter in our packet in our box tonight from Dan Wood D.
W. Inc. requesting this be tabled until January 20, 1998. I would move that we table to
January 20, 1998.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: It has been moved and second that we table the final plat for Devlin Place
Subdivision until January 20, all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #2: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW FOR VARIANCE
REQUEST FOR ASHFORD GREENS SUBDIVISION BY BRIGHTON CORPORATION:
Corrie: Walt do we have that?
Morrow. We are still wai#ing (inaudible) I think it would be appropriate to table this to our
first meeting, actually we are supposed to be seeing that irrigation ordinance according
to the information from our strategic planning on Tuesday last right away. So let's table
this to the 16th of this mont' ~ and we can act on it after we have dealt with the irrigation
ordinance.
Meridian City Council
December 2, 1997
Page 2
Bentley: Second
Come: Motion made and seconded that we table this item #2 until December 16, all
those in favor? Opposed? "
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #3: TABLED NOVEMBER 18, 1997: ORDINANCE #779 -TREE ORDINANCE:
Cowie: Charlie?
Rountree: Mr. Mayor when last we discussed this in the planning meeting I indicated t
would get my draft comments to Wayne the next day. I failed in doing that and was not
able #o get them to him on Thanksgiving either. So I got them to him last Friday and
suspect you are working on those?
Crookston: Did you put them in my box, I actually haven't seen them yet. Because of
my disheveled office I will get to it.
Rountree: So I would move that we table the action on the tree ordinance until
December 16.
Tolsma: Motion made and seconded that we table ordinance #779 until December 16,
all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #4: PUBLIC HEARING: ORDINANCE #781 -DOG ORDINANCE:
Come: At this time l will open the public hearing and since this is an over 5% increase
we will have the City Clerk read Ordinance #781 in its entirety and then we will have
comments from the floor.
Berg: Thank you Mayor (Ordinance #781 -Dog Ordinance, Read in Entirety -See
Tape)
Come: Is there anybody from the public that would like to enter testimony at this time on
Ordinance #781? Council, questions of staff? twill close the public hearing and
entertain a motion on Ordinance #781.
Bentley: Mr. Mayor, I move we adopt Ordinance #781 with suspension of rules.
Rountree: Second
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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING: August 20 1996
APPLICANT: BRIGHTON CORPORATION ITEM NUMBER; 1
REQUEST• FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW FOR VARIANCE REQUEST FOR
ASHFORD GREENS SUBDMSON
AGENCY COMMENTS
CITY CLERK:
CITY ENGINEER:
CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR:
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Mayor Come and City Council CITY OF ~[F,RIDIAN
City of Meridian
33 E. Idaho
1vleridian, ID 83642
RE: Variance Request for Ashford Greens Subdivision
Dear Mayor and Council Member:
I have been informed that our variance request for Ashford Greens Subdivision has been
scheduled tabled to the August 20, 1996 Council Meeting.
Inasmuch as this has been tabled pending the review and resolution of the City's ordinance on
tiling ditches, I propose that this be table once main for a period of at least 3 months or until
the City Counci! believes that the issue will be ready for resolution. Please advise me of the
new date so I can keep track of it.
Sincerely,
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David Turnbull
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Gordon that the alcohol liquor license was suspended by the State of Idaho that we
declare the point moot and that the application for the conditional use permit for the retail
sale of alcohol as requested by Dwayne Winn be denied.
Tolsma: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Tolsma, any further discussion? All
those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #1: TABLED MAY 7, 1996: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
FOR VARIANCE REQUEST FOR ASHFORD GREENS SUBDIVISION BY BRIGHTON
CORPORATION:
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, as requested by Mr. Turnbull we have not as of yet reconciled by
committee the Nampa Meridian change in handling the covering of ditches and the City
ordinance. So, by virtue of his letter that I received late this afternoon with request to table
that until August 20th, hopefully that will give us the time to deal with the issues that we
had talked about before.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree that we table item 1 the variance
request until August 20, any further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #2: FINAL PLAT: HUMMING BIRD SUBDIVISION BY GARY & CYNTHIA BIRD:
Corrie: Is Gary or Cynthia or the representative here tonight?
Bentley: Mr. Mayor, I need to address the Council on this issue. Although I have no ties
to this project monetarily or otherwise Gary Bird is a very close friend of mine and I want
to let you know in case there is a conflict.
Morrow: I don't perceive that to be a conflict Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Okay, Mr. Bird. Does Council have any questions of Mr. Bird?
Morrow: I would like to have him review his project for us please.
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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL __ NOVEMBER 5. 1997
The regular meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order by Mayor Robert
D. Cowie at 7:30 P.M.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Walt Morrow, Charlie Rountree, Ron Tolsma, Glenn Bentley:
OTHER PRESENT: Wayne Crookston, Will Berg, Shari Stiles, Gary Smith, Sharla
Lanphear, Scott Reece, Patrick McKeegan, Dennis Thorton, Glen Buday, Joe Canning:
MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING HELD OCTOBER 21, 1997:
Cowie: Are there any corrections or alterations to those minutes? I will entertain a
motion they be approved as written.
Rountree: So moved
Tolsma: Second
Cowie: Motion made and seconded the minutes of October 21, 1997 be approved as
written, all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #1: TABLED OCTOBER 21, 1997: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS
OF LAW FOR VARIANCE REQUEST FOR ASHFORD GREENS SUBDIVISION BY
BRIGHTON CORPORATION:
Cowie: Mr. Morrow?
Morrow. I think we just continue with that until we are finished with the (inaudible)
irrigation ordinance by now but we are not. So the answer to the question Mr. Mayor is
we have another strategic planning meeting November 25~h we ought to move this to
our first meeting in December which is the 2"d. So I will move to table to the 2"d
Bentley: Second
Cowie: Motion made and seconded to table item #1 until the December 2"d meeting, any
further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #2: TABLED OCTOBER 21, 1997: ORDINANCE #760 -COMMISSIONS,
BOARDS, COMMITTEES:
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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING: NOVEMBER 5.1897
APPLICANT: BRIGHTON CORPORATION ITEM NUMBER: 1
REQUEST: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSbNS OF LAW FOR VARIANCE REQUEST FOR ASHFORD
_C~REENS SUBDMSION
G!~ ENCY COMMENTS
CITY CLERK:
CITY ENGINEER:
CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR:
CITY ATTORNEY:
CITY POLICE DEPT:
CITY FIRE DEPT:
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MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT:
MERIDIAN POST OFFICE:
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT:
ADA COUNTY STREET NAME COMMITTEE:
CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH:
NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION:
SETTLERS IRRIGATION:
IDAHO POWER:
US WEST:
INTERMOUNTAIN GAS:
BUREAU OF RECLAMATION:
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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL OCTOBER 21 1997
The regular meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order by Mayor Robert
D. Corrie at 7:30 P.M.:
MEMBERS PRESENT: Walt Morrow, Ron Tolsma, Charlie Rountree, Glenn Bentley:
OTHERS PRESENT: Wayne Crookston, Will Berg, Gary Smith, Shari Stiles, Chief
Gordon, Tammy DeWeerd, Dave & Tina Olson, Russ Hepworth, Mike Clevers, Lonnie
Fox:
MINUTES OF PREVIQUS MEETING HELD OCTOBER 7, 1997:
Corrie: Any corrections or alterations of those minutes? I will entertain a motion that
they be approved as written.
Morrow. So moved
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made and seconded to be approved as written, all those in favor?
Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED:. All Yea
ITEM #1: TABLED OCTOBER 7, 1997: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS
OF LAW FOR VARIANCE REQUEST FOR ASHFORD GREENS SUBDIVISION BY
BRIGHTON CORPORATION:
Corrie: Council, how do you (inaudible)
Morrow. Mr. Mayor, Point of confusion, does Ashford Greens have two. One thing we
have been waiting the ditch ordinance to be done.
Crookston: That is this one.
Morrow. Okay fine, so there is no point, we would again table this until our first meeting
in November which would be 5 because of election on 4. So I would move to table to
November Stn
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made and seconded to table item #1 to November 5, any further
discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
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MARCH FOR PARKS CHECK PRESENTATION:
Wendt: I am George Wendt, the President of the Treasure Valley Volksports Club in
Boise. Last year we contacted a couple of the Council members here and they referred
us to the Meridian Parks and Recreation people, namely Tammy DeWeerd and Dave
Costello. What we do is the March for Parks is a program to make people aware of the
need for developing and maintaining and improving parks. Every year for the last three
years we have done different parks. This year we thought Meridian would be a good
candidate and they were very receptive to it. So we put together the Volksport Club was
primarily responsible for doing the walk, laying out the walk, it is a 10K and a 5K walk.
We had it sanctioned by the American Volksport Association out of Texas. That was
our main effort in this thing. But we were astounded you might say, Tammy and Dave
took the ball so to speak and really put together and with a lot of effort and spent hours I
know contacting people, getting people involved the schools, organizations, business
and the public as well as the media. At the end of our walk which we thought was very
successful we turned in a report to the National Parks and Conservation Association
and stating all what we had done and fisting all of the media contacts and involvement
with the other people that I previously mentioned. Out of the 1200 March for Parks
events last year this Meridian March for Parks was selected as the best overall event of
the 1200. nth that they finally got around to getting us a check which is made out to the
Meridian Parks & Recreation Department. And we want to present it to you. I do think
the City of Meridian really owes Tammy DeWeerd and Dave Costello a lot of the effort
they put into this. Without what they did we wouldn't have won this award. We know
how to put walks on but we don't have the people and resources to go out and do what
they did. So I think they really deserve a big hand.
DeWeerd: And of course I can't go without comment. I wanted to again thank the
Council for letting us go forward with it. Also this has put Meridian on the map we will be
used as their promotional event for all of their advertising for the March for Parks events
coming up in 1998. So Meridian will be promoted nationwide.
Corrie: I would suggest that we all give them a round of applause for that.
Rountree: I would like to take a minute and thank George for bringing this to the City of
Meridian. And Tammy and Dave and the businesses in the City and the citizens of
Meridian for making this a success. Good job.
Corrie: Thank you very much.
ITEM #2: TABLED OCTOBER 7, 1997: ORDINANCE #760 -COMMISSIONS,
BOARDS, COMMITTEES:
Morrow. Mr. Mayor, my pleasure here in terms of these ordinances which we just got
updates tonight and also the question in terms of the Commissions, Boards and
MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING: OCTOBER 21 1997
APPLICANT: BRIGHTON CORPORATION ITEM NUMBER: 1
REQUEST: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW VARIANCE REQUEST FOR ASHFORD
G~EEN3 SUBDIVISION
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CITY ENGINEER:
CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR:
CITY ATTORNEY:
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CITY BUILDING DEPT:
MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT:
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ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT:
ADA COUNTY STREET NAME COMMITTEE:
CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH:
NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION:
SETTLERS IRRIGATION:
IDAHO POWER:
US WEST:
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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING: OCTOBER 7.1997
APPLICANT: BRIGHTON CORPORATION ITEM NUMBER: 1
REQUEST• FINDINGS OF FACT AND CQNCLUSIONS OF LAW FOR VARIANCE FOR ASHFORD GREENS
SUBDMSION
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MERIDIAN POST OFFICE:
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT:
ADA COUNTY STREET NAME COMMITTEE:
CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH:
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Corrie: Okay the motion has been made and seconded, you heard the motion, any
further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #2: TABLED AUGUST 5, 1997: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF
LAW FOR VARIANCE REQUEST FOR ASHFORD GREENS SUBDIVISION BY
BRIGHTON CORPORATION:
Corrie: Mr. Morrow?
Morrow. Mr. Mayor, in talking with David Turnbull he is waiting for us to resolve the
issue with respect to our new irrigation ordinance. He requested that we table this to
October 7 awaiting that ordinance to be adopted. I would move to table to October 7.
Tolsma: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Tolsma to table item #2 to October
7, any further discussion? All those in .favor? Opposed?
MOTION .CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #3: TABLED AUGUST 5, 1997: REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE
PERMIT FOR A FAMILY LIFE CENTER BY CHERRY LANE CHRISTIAN CHURCH:
Corrie: Would the representative from the church please step forward?
Dale Newberry, 11908 Peconic Drive, Boise.
Newberry: Mr. Mayor and Councilmen, since August 5th meeting we took your advice of
holding an open with our neighbors. I think the ideas presented here tonight as a result
of that meeting will show the wisdom of your action then. In addition to that public
meeting we have also had several separate meetings that have taken place with
individual neighbors. We have had many people from the neighborhood and the
community contact us supporting the services such as athletic programs, the
recreational programs that we anticipate having available. We are concerned with the
growing community also, we are not dealing. with the cars so much as we are with
people's values and where their children are going to be raised and what kind of
environment. As a .result of the meeting and after listening to our neighbors we
addressed their concerns and came up with several solutions that those who were there
agreed would help. I would like our architect Dana Kaufman to come up and explain the
changes that he has made to our plans an the modifications that he has made on our
ground work to accommodate those concerns.
Dana Kaufman, 14 12th Avenue S, Suite 210, Nampa.
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August 5, 1997
Page 5
ITEM #2: TABLED JULY 1, 1997: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF
LAW FOR VARIANCE REQUEST -FOR ASHFORD GREENS SUBDIVISION BY
BRIGHTON CORPORATION:
Morrow. Mr. Mayor, I might suggest that since we are now back working on those
ordinances then by virtue of our strategic planning meeting on the 22"~ we are expecting
staff input from them concerning the new irrigation ordinance due at our meeting on the
26th and so it would appear appropriate that we table this to the first meeting in
September, September 2"d to allow us time to review at our strategic planning meeting
the proposals brought to us by staff for the irrigation ordinance. So moved
Bentley: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Bentley to table item #2 until
September 2, 1997, any further discussion? Hearing none all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #3: TABLED JULY 1, 1997: ORDINANCE #760 -COMMISSIONS, BOARDS,
COMMITTEES:
ITEM #4: TABLED JULY 1, 1997: ORDINANCE #761 -TRAFFIC SAFETY
COMMISSION:
Morrow. Mr. Mayor, I would move that although in our strategic planning we had
indicated that we wished to take care of these for the final time tonight as well as the P
& Z Building department enterprise fund ordinance, those are not completed in time to
have a fair chance for members of the Council and Mayor to review. It seems to me
appropriate that being the case that we table until the 19th and .prepare for adoption of
those ordinances assuming everything is agreeable to each Councilman and the Mayor
at that date. So I would move to table both items 3 and 4 to the 19th
Bentley: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Bentley to table items 3 and 4 of the
two different ordinances, any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor?
Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #5: TABLED JULY 15, 1997: FINAL PLAT FOR CROSSROADS SUBDIVISION
NO.6, 37 LOTS BY RAMON & MARILYN YORGASON:
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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL JULY 1 1997
The regular meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order by Mayor Robert
D. Corrie at 7:30 P. M.:
MEMBERS PRESENT: Walt Morrow, Charlie Rountree, Glenn Bentley, Ron Tolsma:
OTHERS PRESENT: Wayne Crookston, Will Berg, Shari Stiles, Gary Smith, Chief
Gordon, Richard Balster, Lorin Saunders, Morten Awes, Dixie Roberts, Halen Sharp,
Larry & Kay Hanson:
MINUTES OF SPECIAL MEETING HELD JUNE 16, 1997:
Corrie: Is there a motion for acceptance?
Tolsma: So moved
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made and seconded that we accept the special meeting which was
called to Executive session, all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING HELD JUNE 17, 1997:
Carrie: Any correction or alteration to those minutes? Entertain a motion for
acceptance?
Rountree: So moved
Tolsma: Second
Corrie: Motion made and seconded that we approve the minutes of the meeting held
June 17, 1997, all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #1: TABLED JUNE 3, 1997: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF
LAW FOR VARIANCE REQUEST FOR ASHFORD GREENS SUBDIVISION BY
BRIGHTON CORPORATION:
Corrie: Counselor, where are we on that one?
Morrow: The Ashford Greens, we are holding that for the adoption of the new irrigation
ordinance which we will be doing later this month. At that point in time that we adopt
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that ordinance Ashford Greens may not even need a variance. So I think that I would
like to table that until our first meeting in August which would be August 5.
Bentley: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Bentley to table item 1 to the August
5th meeting, any further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #2: TABLED JUNE 3, 1997: ORDINANCE #760 -COMMISSIONS, BOARDS
AND COMMITTEES:
Morrow: Mr. Mayor I would move that we table that to August 5th, we in the course of
our work the last two months have not had an opportunity to re-work those ordinances. I
would like to table items #2 and 3 to August 5th to give us an opportunity in our planning
session to re-work those two ordinances please.
Bentley: Second
Corrie: Motion made bty Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Bentley, to table items 2 and 3 to
the meeting of August 5 h, any further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #4: TABLE JUNE 17, 1997: REQUEST FOR REZONE OF APPROXIMATELY
9.42 ACRES FROM R-4 TO R-15 BY LORIN SAUNDERS:
Tolsma: Mr. Mayor I need to step down, I have a conflict with this one.
Corrie: For the record Councilman Tolsma is stepping down with a conflict of interest.
Stanfield: Scott Stanfield with JUB Engineers representing Lorin Saunders on the
request for a rezone from R-4 to R-15. Gary Lee is the project manager of this project,
but he could not make it this evening. Basically this is a request for rezone from R-4 to
R-15 of approximately 9.42 acres lying south of Pine and West of 8th Street. A little
history behind the project, is back in February of this year Mr. Saunders submitted a
rezone application and on February 11th the Planning and Zoning Commission
recommended approval of the rezone request. However during the Council meeting it
was tabled due to lack of sufficient evidence supporting the project. Consequently he
has hired JUB to prepare the engineering concept plan that each of you should have in
your packets. Basically the concept shows that the property is bordered on the south
with railroad tracks and light industrial zoning. Vacant land lies to the west with R-4
zoning, single family residential units to the north with R-4 zoning and town houses and
apartment and duplex to the east with R-15 zoning. The Nine Mile Drain runs through
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Page 2
Corrie: Are there any alterations or corrections to those minutes? Hearing none I will
entertain a motion they be accepted.
Rountree: So moved
Bentley: Second
Corrie: Motion made and seconded that we approve the minutes of the meeting held
May 20, 1997, all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #1: TABLED MAY 6, 1997: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
FOR VARIANCE REQUEST FOR ASHFORD GREENS SUBDIVISION BY BRIGHTON
CORPORATION:
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, we still have not accomplished our new irrigation ordinance which
this falls under. I think what I would like to see is us table this to the first meeting in July
to give us an opportunity on the 24th in our strategic planning meeting to address that
ordinance. By that time each Councilman will have had time to review and should be a
matter of simply input from the staff and then planning session to get that (Inaudible).
Shari has some comments.
Stiles: Mr. Mayor and Councilman Morrow, Council, we do have scheduled on the 24th
at 6:30 the joint meeting with Ada County Commissioners and the City Council on our
Area of Impact, it is here at 6:30.
Morrow. Well I guess what the issue will be, let's table this to July 1st which is that first
Tuesday and then what we will have to do is come up with a planning session to get
some of this stuff cleared off the table between now and then. Is the 23~ acceptable?
Berg: We will just have to look at who has this facility, the school district has this facility,
the school district is on Mondays, the Park and Rec Commission meets on Monday, I
think the school district has it on the fourth Monday. So we will make an arrangement
and I will address some dates to you. (Inaudible)
Morrow: My motion Mr. Mayor would be to table to July 1st the Ashford Greens variance
request
Bentley: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Bentley to table item 1 to July 1st
any further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
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May 20, 1997
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Tolsma: I was asking some questions that were asked of me that is the reason, I didn't
know if they had asked them here at the hearings or not. That is all I had.
Morrow. If there are no further questions thank you Joe for taking the time to make the
presentation. (Inaudible) like to recognize Shari Huber who is a Commissioner and
Susan Eastlake also an ACHD Commissioners. Thank you for attending the meeting
and if either one of you would like to take a shot at us why you can get equal time.
ITEM #1: TABLED MAY 8, 1997: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
FOR VARIANCE REQUEST FOR ASHFORD GREENS SUBDIVISION BY BRIGHTON
CORPORATION:
Morrow: I thought when I moved to table that it was to in June pending our completion
of changing of the irrigation policies and the discussion based on the presentation we
had at the last strategic planning. So I don't think, we haven't adopted anything in
ordinance form and we haven't even prepared that as of yet. So according to our
minutes it was June 3 vre tabled it to and that was pending having a strategic planning
meeting between then and now. So I think an appropriate motion would be to move this
from the agenda and to move it to June 3`d
(Inaudible)
Morrow: Alright so what we will do then is strike it from the agenda is that okay?
Crookston: As I recall the motion was made to table it June 20 and then there was
discussion that was not needed by no action was taken as I recall. So there should be
action to table it again until June 3`d or whatever it is.
Morrow. In the minutes it is June 3`d. Do we need to do any motion to get this off
tonight's agenda or we just scratch it and move on.
Crookston: You can have a motion to take it off this agenda because it is on the June
3`d agenda schedule.
Rountree: Mr. Substitute Mayor I move that we take this item off our agenda for this
evening and leave it on the June 3`d meeting date.
Bentley: Second
Morrow. It has been moved and seconded to take this off of tonight's agenda and leave
it on the June 3`~ agenda, all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
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May 6, 1997
Page 3
leaders, Chamber of Commerce members, members of the State Legislature, members
of the US Congressional delegation, because we really see this again as a partnership
among all of these different players who have different roles to play in the institute. We
have worked up a hand out that gives more background information, describes the
issues that we are looking at that Elizabeth is going to hand out to you now. I can't
thank you enough for giving me the time and again I stress the importance of your
participation in this event. It is not just something that Mayor Corrie is doing but it is
something that you will all be called upon to participate at some point in the future. If
you have any questions again, we have given you this reading material. You can always
address future questions to Mayor Corrie or Elizabeth Conner in the Mayors office in
Boise.
Corrie: Any questions? Thank you very much.
Belser: Thank you, and we look forward to seeing you on June 16"'.
ITEM #1: TABLED APRIL 1, 1997: FINDINGS OF f=ACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF
LAW FOR VARIANCE REQUEST FOR ASHFORD GREENS SUBDIVISION BY
BRIGHTON CORPORATION:
Corrie: Is there a representative from Brighton Corporation here that would like to
refresh our memory on this one?
Stile: Mr. Mayor and Council we are still working on some of .the details with the
irrigation committee I would like that to be tabled for another month if possible.
Morrow. I would move that we table to June 3`~ the Ashford Greens variance request.
Tolsma: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Tolsma to table the findings of fact
and conclusions of law for Ashford Greens Subdivision until June 3`d meeting, all those
in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, as a means of follow up here the results of the irrigation
committee's discussions and positions have been presented to at least two of the
Council in our planning session. So we are ready for Council action so I would suspect
that it .would be appropriate for us in this month's planning session to take the steps and
implement draft of where it is we want to go and have that discussion and adopt a
formal .position at perhaps our first meeting in June and then we can deal with whether
this needs to have a variance or not.
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May 6, 1997
Page 4
Bentley: I have a question, so we are going to have to make the decision on irrigation
issues and then we are going to inform Ashford Greens whether or not they need the
variance?
Morrow: That would be correct.
Corrie: Any further questions?
ITEM #2: TABLED APRIL 15, 1997: REQUEST .FOR A REZONE OF
APPROXIMATELY 9.42 ACRES FROM R-4 TO R-15 BY LORIN SAUNDERS:
Corrie: Is Mr. Saunders here tonight or a representative thereof?
Tolsma: Mr. Mayor I have to step down on this because this is a conflict for me.
Borup: Mr. Saunders is not here but for tonight I would be his representative. It is my
understanding and maybe I need to clarify that, that it was tabled last time. Council is
requesting at least some type of concept plan on what was not necessarily a full plat is
that everyone's understanding too.
Corrie: I believe so, he had no objections to an R-8 but he wanted an R-15 and we had
some problems with what he wanted to do with it so that the concept that we are looking
at. We do have some preliminary concept plans Mayor and members of the Council the
intention here was to develop a town house project which would be separate deeded
lots and ownership. Initially the R-15 was felt that would accomplish that the easiest
way. A couple of things have come up in doing a preliminary plat. One of them was the
recommendation I think even beyond that requirement to have. tie in access to the
Hansen property to the west of this. And then some things were clarified on Nine Mile
Creek also. In tying into the Hansen's property for them to have usable access it
necessitated moving the roadway from what the original, one of the original concepts
was which still did a layout. The only thing at this point that is a little bit of a problem is
that area there where as a question mark is quite a large area with no real good access.
The, I am not sure what can be done in that area, the best use it looked like would
probably be maybe be apartments in that area, some four plexes in that area. I am not
sure how that fits in with what was already discussed. The other thing on the town
house aspect was some of the, it looked like some of the lots on a block could come out
with an uneven number which would mean neither a single family house or maybe
better use as a triplex type unit. But the concept still is to be a town house with deeded
lots. Again maybe some better layouts could be taken care of, we do have a railroad
buffer on the south of the property. A 100 foot right of way for Nine Mile Creek which
looks like doing anything other than keeping that open is not going to happen. Nampa
Meridian would just assume cover it, the Army Corps of Engineers and Bureau of
Reclamation just assume keep it open. Didn't have a lot of other, unless there are
some questions other than maybe my question is this enough of a concept or are we
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list there you can see that the community is making this happen. I also am pleased to
officially hand you a pledge form and I do look forward to having you join us the day of
this event and celebrating our current and future park projects. Thank you very much
for your time and the proclamation.
Morrow. Mr. Mayor I would like to recommend that we give a big hand to all of the
members of the committee and all of the corporate sponsors and company sponsors
they have all done a heck of a fine job for us and it is a great event. I would urge all of
you that are here for other reasons to support this issue also when it comes time to do
this.
Corrie: Also at this time I would like to recognize we have a couple scouts here from
Troop #130 and welcome fellows we appreciate you being here tonight.
ITEM #1: TABLED MARCH 4, 1997: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF
LAW FOR VARIANCE REQUEST FOR ASHFORD GREENS SUBDIVISION BY
BRIGHTON CORPORATION:
Corrie: Mr. Crookston you have some information on that.
Crookston: The information that I have is that the Nampa Meridian Irrigation District and
the City still have some items to work out and it is not a done deal yet.
Morrow. That being the case Mr. Mayor I would suggest that we table this until probably
the first meeting in May which would be May 6.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree that we table this to the
first meeting in May which is May 6th, any further discussion? All those in favor?
Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Corrie: Council with your permission the City Attorney as requested that we put item
#16 up further the request on Cesco Agreement. So if the Council has no objection we
can move that to the second spot.
ITEM #16: CESCO LATE COMERS AGREEMENT:
Corrie: Is there a representative from Cesco here this evening?
McCreedy: Thank you Mr. Mayor and members of the Council, John McCready
representing CESCO. We have been trying to hammer out what is now called the partial
amended development agreement for this property. You may recall we had a principal
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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MARCH 4 1997
The regular meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order by Mayor Robert
D. Corrie at 7:30 P.M.:
MEMBERS PRESENT: Ron Totsma, Glenn Bentley, Charlie Rountree, Walt Morrow.
OTHERS PRESENT: Will Berg, Wayne Crookston, Shari Stiles, Gary Smith, Chief Bill
Gordon, Jim Johnson, Philip Janquart, Robert Smith, Gary Lee, Nancy Slonaker, Gene
Smith, Ramon Yorgason, Scott Cook, James Main, Keith Loveless, Jim Witherell, Ann
Witherell, Jim Boyd, Bonnie McKay, Brian McColl:
MINUTES OF SPECIAL MEETING HELD FEBRUARY 18,1997:
Corrie: Any corrections or alterations of those minutes? I will entertain a motion that
they be approved.
Rountree: Mr. Mayor I move that we approve the minutes of the Special meeting held
February 18, 1997.
Tolsma: Second
Corrie: Motion made and seconded that we approve the minutes as written, all those in
favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING HELD FEBRUARY 18, 1997:
Corrie: Are there any corrections on the regular minutes? I will entertain a motion that
we accept the minutes as typed.
Morrow So moved
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made and seconded we accept the minutes as typed, all those in favor?
Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED:- All Yea
ITEM #1: TABLED FEBRUARY 18, 1997: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS
OF LAW FOR VARIANCE REQUEST FOR ASHFORD GREENS SUBDIVISION BY
BRIGHTON CORPORATION:
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Corrie: Counselor, I believe you, do you have anything to say on this one?
Crookston: It was my understanding that this matter was going to be sent over again for
Ashford Greens because they still had some things to work out.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor I did talk briefly with Will I don't know that we got any input from Mr.
Turnbull but I feel reasonably safe given where we are at with the irrigation committee
work that probably a 30 day table is in order. If that is Mr. Turnbull's desire to be on the
agenda for the meeting of the 18t'' I will contact him and maybe find out and maybe
make a correction. Gene you represent David on some issues is the 30 day table in
order?
(inaudible)
Morrow. That being the case Mr. Mayor I would move that we table until April 1.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree that we table item 1 until
April 1 meeting,. any further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #2: TABLED FEBRUARY 18, 1997: CC&R'S FOR TROUTNER BUSINESS
PARK BY JIM BALLANTYNE:
Corrie: Counselor?
Crookston: I have reviewed those and I also reviewed the development agreement and
I have given my comments to our Planning and Zoning Administrator Shari Stiles and
that is the last I have heard of it.
Stiles: Mr. Mayor and Council I haven't reviewed that yet. I need to get Mr. Ballantyne
in here and go over some of Wayne's comments and maybe Wayne needs to be there
as well. That is where we are at.
Morrow. Mr. Mayor, I would like to ask Attorney Crookston what is your general feeling
about those two documents?
Crookston: They are pretty much in order I believe, I had some comments on them,
some changes that I would call minor changes. I don't have them specifically in my
mind right now, but I don't think that there is too much that we have to work out.
March 13, 1997
Meridian City Council
Meridian City Hall
33 E. Idaho
Meridian ID 83642
Dear Council Members
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MAR 1 7 X97
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We would like to introduce The J.A. Holmes Corporation as a member of the builder team for
Ashford Greens. It has been brought to our attention that the completion of the sewer lift station
will not coincide with the first building phase in Ashford Greens. We understand your
reluctance to move forward; however, delaying the allotment of building permits for 3 months
would be detrimental to our marketing plan. As you know, this is the prime building season and
it is critical that we have finished products on the market as soon as possible. Please take into
consideration our request to issue permits before the lift station is completed.
Respectfully ~%
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John A. Holmes, President
L. Joan Holmes, Sec./ Treas
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97-237
April 9, 1997
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David Navarro
Ada County Recorder CI~`r~ ~- MERIDIAN
650 Main Street
Boise, ID 83702
RE: Ashford Greens Subdivision (Revised).
Dear Mr. Navarro:
Central District Health Department, Environmental Health Division
has reviewed and do approve the final plat on this subdivision for
central water and central sewer facilities. Final approval was
given on April 8, 1997.
No lot size may be reduced without prior approval of the health
authority.
If you have any questions please call.
Sincerely,
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Thomas E. Schmalz, E .S.
Senior Environmental Health Specialist
CC: Tom Turco, Environmental Health Director
Marti r_ C. ,Jones, Environmental Health Supervisor
HUD
Hubble Engineering
City of Meridian
Brighton Corporation
Serving Valley, Elmore, Boise, and Ada Counties
Ada /Boise County Office Ada-WIC Satellite Office Elmore County Office Valley County Office
707 N. Armsrong PI. 1606 Roberts 520 E. 8th Sheet N. 703 N. 1st Street
Boise, ID 83704 Boise, ID 83705 Mountain Home, ID 83647 P.O. Box 1448
Enviro. Health: 327-7499 Ph. 334-3355 Enviro.Health:587-3521 McCall, ID. 83638
Family Planning: 327-7400 FAX: 334-3355 Family Health: 587-4407 Ph. 634-7194
Immunizations: 327-7450 WIC: 587-4409 FAX: 634-2174
Senior Nutrition: 327-7460 .FAX: 587-3521
WIC: 327-7488
FAX: 327-8500
SUBDIVISION EVALUATION SHEET
Proposed Development Name ASHFORD GREENS City Meridian
Date Reviewed 02/06/97 Preliminary Stage Final XXX
Engineer/Developer Hubble Engr. / Briohton Corporation
The Street name comments listed below are made by the members of the ADA COUNTY STREET NAME COMMITTEE
(under direction of the Ada County Engineer) regarding this development in accordance with the Boise City Street Name
Ordinance.
The followino existing street names shall aRQear on the plat as•
"W. USTICK ROAD"
"N. SILVERLEAF WAY°
"W. MOON KE DRIVE"
"N BLACK CAT ROAD"
The followino proposed street names are approved and shall appear on the plat as'
"N GEDDES PLACE
"N CALLAWAY PLACE"
"W. BRASSI CTyy°~~qq~~
- "N CROOKED CREEK n
"W. TALAMORE BOULEVARD"
The above street name comments have been read and approved by the following agency representatives of the ADA
COUNTY STREET NAME COMMITTEE. ALL of the signatures must be secured by the representative or his designee in
order for the street names to be officially approved.
ADA COUNTY STREET NAME COMMITTEE, AGENCY REPRESENTATIVES OR
DESIGNEES ~ ~
Ada County Engineer John Prieste .~~~e~~z~, Date Z - (v ~~7
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Fire District Meridian Representative ~~~ Date Z~ 7"
NOTE: A copy of this evaluation sheet must be presented to the Ada County Engineer at the time of signing the
"final plat", otherwise the plat will not tie signed !!!!
Sub Index Street Index 3N 1W 3 Section
NUMBERING OF LOTS AND BLOCKS
TR\SUBS\SM CITY.FRM
Ada Planning Assoc. Ann Hurley - ~ Date ~ ~ ~- ~ '~-
City of Meridian Representative ate a-C~ - F ~
Meridian City Council •
February 18, 1997
Page 6
conditions put forth by Union pacific and Seamons. At that point I think we will hear
from our board from the elected officials does this thing seem to be feasible.
Crookston: Just one question, realizing that you do not know what the costs are going
to be, do you have any insight at all as to the cost for a ride?
Trainer: No we haven't even looked at what the fare would be. One option is to simply
make it free and if we people won't ride it for free they probably won't ride it at any
other condition. I think one thing that is safe to say and my experience and the
experience across the country is that there is no system that is self supporting. That is
true from Portland, Oregon to Portland, Maine and even through Canada. One
gentleman in Denver that is looking at a very similar vehicle estimates a per trip cost,
they are looking from downtown Denver to the Denver Airport of $12 per ride is what it
would take to break even. That is for a similar length of trip, they are using a one step
up vehicle.
Crookston: Thank you
Corrie: Thank you Charles for your presentation.
ITEM #2: TABLED NOVEMBER 19, 1996: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS
OF LAW FOR VARIANCE REQUEST FOR ASHFORD GREENS SUBDIVISION BY
BRIGHTON CORPORATION:
Corrie: Counselor, where are we on this? Do we still have some issues?
Crookston: Well I am sure that there are. As I remember this was continued at Mr.
Turnbulls's request. I do not have anything from him subsequently so the findings of
fact have not been changed.
Crookston: And the variance was related to the irrigation situation and I don't know
where we are with that.
Corrie: Staff, Gary do you know anything yet? Shari?
Stiles: The irrigation committee is still meeting, we have another meeting scheduled for
Monday and I don't believe we have come to any conclusions yet.
Morrow. To bring the Council up to speed we areaways away from having some
(inaudible) developing information back from Nampa Meridian in terms of alternatives.
The next step in our Monday meeting we will try to bring that information together and
then bring together after we have that put together bring together the legal staff from
Nampa Meridian and Meridian City to try and resolve those issues. Then hopefully we
Meridian City Council ,
February 18, 1997
Page 7
will have a proposal that will be beneficial to Nampa Meridian and the City of Meridian
and the development community. So that is where we are at.
Corrie: I guess Mr. Morrow what would you suggest for a table?
Morrow. Well I was in hopes that we would see. something from David's company
asking for a time. Let's table to our first meeting in March and then on our Monday's
meeting we can ask him where he wants to go with that. So Mr. Mayor I would
recommend that we table until March 4, 1.997.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow second by Mr. Rountree to table this for further
discussion until March 4, 1997 meeting, any further discussion? All those in favor?
Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #3: TABLED FEBRUARY 4, 1997: CC&R'S FOR TROUTNER BUSINESS PARK
BY JIM BALLANTYNE:
Corrie: Mr. Bailantyne, Mike?
Bailantyne: I basically would be glad to entertain any questions or concerns regarding
the CC&R's.
Crookston: I was in the process of reviewing those this afternoon and this evening and I
have not finaled that review.
Morrow: That being the case, obviously we can't review them because we haven't seen
them.
Crookston: You don't have copies at all?
Corrie: I don't, you have got everything we have.
Morrow: (Inaudible) Mr. Mayor, Shari has a comment.
Stiles: Mr. Mayor and Council, I believe because of the thickness of that document that
Anna did not give all of the Councilman a copy. It might be better if you could look at
the one that is in the file. I guess if you all prefer to have your own copy that is fine but
it is a lengthy document.
Bailantyne: I could just recite if we have a couple of days.
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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL NOVEMBER 19 1996
The regular meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order by Mayor Robert D.
Corrie at 7:30 P. M.:
MEMBERS PRESENT: Ron Tolsma, Charlie Rountree, Glenn Bentley, Walt Morrow:
OTHERS PRESENT: Wayne Crookston, Will Berg, Shari Stiles, Bruce Freckleton, Bill
Gordon, Wayne Forrey, Joann and Don Mazzi, Monica Johnson, Erika Newbeny, Rick
Seger, Rose Maloney, Pat Maloney, David Turnbull, John Anderson, Charles Eddy, Doug
Tamura, Robert Morrison, Billy Ray Strite, Craig Jamison, George Kyler, Richard Williams,
Howard Foley, Kent Brown, Ann Bowen, Chudc Horel, Dick Moore, Dennis Nielson, Brian
Diamond, Rod Truax, Steve Brown:
MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING HELD NOVEMBER 6, 1996:
Corrie: What do you wish to do with the minutes?
Bentley: Mr. Mayor I make a motion we accept the minutes of the previous meeting as
written.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Bentley, second by Mr. Rountree that we accept the minutes
and approve them as written, any further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #1: TABLED AUGUST 20, 1996: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF
LAW FOR VARIANCE REQUEST FOR ASHFORD GREENS SUBDIVISION BY
BRIGHTON CORPORATION:
Corrie: Council, you have a request by Mr. David Turnbull that he would like to have that
delayed for another 3 months to wait for the : Heating I guess with some of the Council
members and also Nampa Meridian Irrigation. What is your pleasure?
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I would move that we table the Ashford Greens Variance request for
3 months from the second meeting in November which would make it second meeting in
February, do we have a date on that? February 18 please.
Bentley: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Bentley that we table the variance
request for Ashford Greens until February 18, any further discussion? All those in favor?
Opposed?
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November 19, 1996
Page 2
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, as a point of update the (inaudible) first meeting this coming Monday,
that is contingent upon being able to get those that are interested in working on that
committee all together.
Corrie: Are you working on that committee, you are heading it (inaudible)
ITEM #2: TABLED OCTOBER 15, 1996: REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT
FOR A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT GENERAL BY WAYNE AND KAREN FORREY:
Corrie: I believe Council that we requested that the Attorney give us an opinion as far as
can the City place a condition upon a planned unit development general that no residential
use shall be allowed. You all have the memorandum from the City Attorney on that opinion.
Any questions of the attomey?
Morrow: Mr. Mayor I have some questions of the attomey. I have read your analysis of the
situation, I guess my questions are with respect to the last paragraph it says that it is my
opinion that conditions may be placed on the conditional use of a planned unit
development general. They cannot be used to restrict use of the property (inaudible) in this
case if noise from other light industrial uses is or could be of concern sound barriers could
be required. The difficulty however is that the City does not know what other possible light
industrial uses might be. I guess my question there is that how does other possible light
industrial uses impact a residential use from the standpoint if we arB going to grant a
residential use as part of this application then it is safe to assume that common sense
would (inaudible) light industrial zone would have every kind of light industrial activity and
those associated noises going with it. It seems to me that if that is the cue then the sound
barrier might require a (inaudible) mitigate normal sounds and activities from the light
industrial area that totally surrounds this project.
Crookston: Knowing that you are trying to protect a residential development from unknown
light industrial uses that is a much easier problem to resolve as far as what needs to be
down as far as let's say sound as I mentioned in the opinion so you could require that
substantial sound barriers be done. Because you know what use you are trying to protect
at first impact from, the hard part is you don't know what light industrial uses are going to
be there but I think you consume, it is very d~cult to assume what uses could be there.
There are many light industrial uses, some that produce a fair amount of sound and some
that do not under our zoning ordinance. But you can place conditions that some type of
sound barrier be constructed. It is hard to say what is necessary, but you do know that you
are trying to protect a residential use from the impacts. So, you have to assume that you
have to be, I would assume that you have to presume that you are protecting a residential
MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING: November 19.1996
APPLICANT: BRIGHTON CORPORATION ITEM NUMBER; 1
REQUEST: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW FOR VARIANCE REQUEST FOR
ASHFORD GREENS SUBDIVISION
AGENCY
CITY CLERK:
CITY ENGINEER:
CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR:
CITY ATTORNEY:
CITY POLICE DEPT:
CITY FIRE DEPT:
CITY BUILDING DEPT:
MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT:
MERIDIAN POST OFFICE:
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT:
ADA COUNTY STREET NAME COMMITTEE:
CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH:
NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION:
SETTLERS IRRIGATION:
IDAHO POWER:
US WEST:
INTERMOUNTAIN GAS:
BUREAU OF RECLAMATION:
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OTHER:
All Materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian.
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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL AUGUST 20. 1996
The regular meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order by Mayor Robert D.
Corrie at 7:30 P.M.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Walt Morrow, Glenn Bentley, Charlie Rountree, Ron Tolsma:
OTHERS PRESENT: Will Berg, Wayne Crookston, Gary Smith, Shari Stiles, Chief
Gordon, David Costello, Jim Ballantyne, Dick Scott, Dale Newberry, Tim Hepper, Richard
Zamzow, Steve Bradbury, Greg Johnson, Dave Roylance:
MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING HELD AUGUST 6, 1996:
Corrie: Any corrections or alterations to the minutes? Entertain a motion for their
acceptance as written.
Bentley: So moved
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made and seconded the minutes of the previous meeting held August 6 be
approved as written, all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Corrie: At this time I would like to break for just a bit from the agenda and I would like to
make a presentation if I might. As you know Tim Hepper has been a member of our
Planning and Zoning Commission for about 71/2 years. He decided he would like to retire
and do some other things besides working with the Planning Commission. We really
appreciate everything you have done for us Tim you have done an excellent job and I
would like to present you with this plaque. It says Tim Hepper Planning and Zoning
Commissioner presented in appreciation for your contribution of service to the City of
Meridian as Planning and Zoning Commissioner December of 1988 to July of 1996. Your
volunteered time and effort as a public servant and representative of the citizc-ns of the
City of Meridian in this community is greatly appreciated. August 6, 1996.
ITEM #1: TABLED JULY 16, 1996: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
FOR VARIANCE REQUEST FOR ASHFORD GREENS SUBDIVISION BY BRIGHTON
CORPORATION:
Corrie: Council, we received in the mail that they would like to request that we table this
again for at least 3 months until the City has been able to resolve the issue of the
resolution with the irrigation ditches and tiling.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I would move that we table this to November 19.
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August 20, 1996
Page 2
Tolsma: Second
Corrie: I have a motion by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Tolsma that we table the findings
of fact and conclusions of law for a variance request for Ashford Greens Subdivision until
November 19, 1996, any further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #2: TABLED AUGUST 6, 1996: FINAL PLAT: CHAMBERLAIN ESTATES NO. 2
BY KEVIN HOWELL:
Corrie: We also received a notification that they would like to have this tabled until
September 3 when they request additional time to redesign the final plat.
Rountree: Mr. Mayor, just a point of clarification, we also have a request to table item 3 on
the agenda. I would make a motion that we table items 2 and 3 on the agenda per request
for applicant that item 2 be rescheduled for September 3, 1996 and that item 3 be
rescheduled for October 1, 1996.
Morrow: Second
Corrie: Motion made and seconded on the items 2 and 3 to be tabled, number 2 to be
tabled to September 3, item 3 to be tabled to October 1, any further discussion? Hearing
none all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #4: TABLED AUGUST 6, 1996: ORDINANCE #738 -AIR QUALITY ORDINANCE:
Corrie: I believes Mr. Tolsma was asking about a sunset clause invol~;ed with it, it was
requested that I check with the Air Quality Board and Ada County APA and DEQ and SIP
plans for this. This is really going to take about ten years or more before all of this comes
about. It is really not a financial thing involved it is an involvement of the Air Quality and
APA and also the State Implementation Plan. What they are trying to do is so we don't
have to bring this up every four or five years and do it on a ten year basis or if there is no
sunset clause on it, it is still required by Federal law to do the air quality testing and the
board. So that is one of the reasons they asked that be dropped. Does that answer your
question significantly? Are you still confused?
Tolsma: (Inaudible)
11/1S/1996 11:42
12083778962
BRIGHTON CORPORATION
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Corporation
November 19, 1996
Shari Stiles
City of Meridian
33 E.ldaho
Meridian, ID 83642
Via Facsinule (887-4813) and Regular Mail
R&: Ashford Greens Variance Request
Bedford Place Subdivision No. 3
Dear Shari:
REcE~vEp
N O V 1 9 1996
~:I7`Y 4F MERfD~p~
1 see that the variance request for Ashford Greens is on tonight's agenda. However, we have not yet
convened the task force which Councilman Morrow is organizing so I would request another 3 month
deferral.
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Also on tonight's agenda is Bedford Place No. 3 Final Plat. After our meeting with you and Bnice last
month we had further meetings and agreements with Nlvlm and the Borups regarding the solutions we
had discussed. We dropped by some additional information to your office for your review and I wanted to
discuss it with you to make sure we are on the same wavelength. Plaase give me a call at my office (378-
4000) or on my cell phone (870-2001).
Sincerely,
David 'Itirnbull
DWT/hs
12426 W. Explorex Drive, Suite 220 • Boise, Idaho 83713 • 'I'EL 208-378-4000 FAX 208-377-8962
NOU 19 '96 10 46
12083??8962 PAGE.02
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MEMORANDUM
To: Mayor and City Council
From: William G. Berg, Jr., City Clerk ,,,GCJ
Date: October 10, 1996
RE: Variance for Ashford Greens
This is just a reminder that the variance from tiling the ditch for Ashford Greens
by Brighton Corporation will be on the November 19th meeting agenda. 1 do not
believe that there has been any real progressive conclusion concerning this
matter. Please do some research as to the procedure we need to continue this
item. To the best of my knowledge, there has not been a meeting with Nampa-
Meridian Irrigation District and the City Council.
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July 16, 1996
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Gordon that the alcohol liquor license was suspended by the State of Idaho that we
declare the point moot and that the application for the conditional use permit for the retail
sale of alcohol as requested by Dwayne Winn be denied.
Tolsma: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Tolsma, any further discussion? All
those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #1: TABLED MAY 7, 1996: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
FOR VARIANCE REQUEST FOR ASHFORD GREENS SUBDIVISION BY BRIGHTON
CORPORATION:
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, as requested by Mr. Turnbull we have not as of yet reconciled by
committee the Nampa Meridian change in handling the covering of ditches and the City
ordinance. So, by virtue of his letter that I received late this afternoon with request to table
that until August 20th, hopefully that will give us the time to deal with the issues that we
had talked about before.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree that we table item 1 the variance
request until August 20, any further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #2: FINAL PLAT: HUMMING BIRD SUBDIVISION BY GARY & CYNTHIA BIRD:
Corrie: Is Gary or Cynthia or the representative here tonight?
Bentley: Mr. Mayor, I need to address the Council on this issue. Although I have no ties
to this project monetarily or otherwise Gary Bird is a very close friend of mine and I want
to let you know in case there is a conflict.
Morrow: I don't perceive that to be a conflict Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Okay, Mr. Bird. Does Council have any questions of Mr. Bird?
Morrow: I would like to have him review his project for us please.
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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING: July 16.1996
APPLICANT: BRIGHTON CORPORATION ITEM NUMBER; 1
REQUEST: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW FOR VARIANCE REQUEST FOR
ASHFORD GREENS SUBDNISION
AGENCY
CITY CLERK:
CITY ENGINEER:
CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR:
CITY ATTORNEY:
CITY POLICE DEPT:
CITY FIRE DEPT:
CITY BUILDING DEPT:
MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT:
MERIDIAN POST OFFICE:
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT:
ADA COUNTY STREET NAME COMMITTEE:
CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH:
NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION:
SETTLERS IRRIGATION:
IDAHO POWER:
US WEST:
INTERMOUNTAIN GAS:
BUREAU OF RECLAMATION:
COMMENTS
CIC MINUTES FROM 5-7-96
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OTHER:
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lgrzghton
osparation
July 16, 1996 -
Mr. Walt Morrow
City of Meridian
PO Box 770
Meridian, ID 83680
Via Facsimile: 887-4813
RE: Bedford Place -Release of Non-Development Agreement
Ashford Greens Variance
Dear Walt:
As we discussed regarding tonight's City Council Meeting:
l . Will told us he is going to bring before the Council die release of the Bedford place
Subdivision Non-Development Agreement. We have delivercd the bonding to Will and
everything should be in place, I would appreciate the formal release of the Agreement.
2. The Ashford Greens Variance Request for tiling the Safford anti Eight-Mile Laterals was
tabled to July 16 pending a task force to study Nampa Meridian, Irrigation District's policies
and the Meridian City Ordinance regarding ditch tiling. Since that task force has not been
convened, I suppose we should table the Variance Request again,
I am sorry that I will not beat tonight's meeting but per our conversation I believe we have covered
all of the items of business that concerti Brighten. I thank you for your help.
Sincerely,
/~~:J
David W. Turnbull
DWT/hs
12426 W. Explorer Drive, Suite 220 • Boise, Idaho 83713 ~ TEL 208-378-4000 • FAX 20$-377-8962
JUL 16 '96 17 20 12083??8962 PAGE.03
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May 7, 1996
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Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made and seconded that we table the presentation of the City Seal, all
those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #2: TABLED APRIL 2, 1996: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
FOR VARIANCE REQUEST FOR ASHFORD GREENS SUBDIVISION BY BRIGHTON
CORPORATION:
Corrie: I think we have the request that be tabled to the June 4th meeting.
Crookston: Mr. Mayor, regarding that variance the Council had asked me to get in touch
with Nampa Meridian, .John Anderson is here from Nampa Meridian. I would like to have
him make is presentation as to what Nampa and Meridian Irrigation District does when the
City of Meridian or another City or anybody if they the a ditch what happens to it. The
question came up last time as to whether or not the easement if there is one has to be
fenced and a gravel road placed on it. I think the question needs to be answered, Mr.
Anderson is here, I think the Council may desire to have his statements put into the
findings of fact and conclusions of law. If the Council decides to do that we need to then
re-open the public hearing to have Mr. Anderson's statements included and to have new
notices published so that anybody else can come forward with additional evidence.
Corrie: Council, any discussion or desires at this point?
Morrow: My desire would be to hear Mr. Anderson's comments.
Rountree: Do we need to reopen the public hearing?
Crookston: I think that would be appropriate to open it now, it was, the hearing was closed
when the applicant ceased his presentation of evidence and the Council decided to close
it and have findings prepared.
Morrow: I would move to reopen the public hearing to have John Anderson of Nampa
Meridian Irrigation offer information with respect to the requirements to cover the ditch.
Bentley: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Bentley to reopen the public hearing
for findings of fact and conclusions of law for a variance request, any discussion? All those
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May 7, 1996
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in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Corrie: I hereby open the public hearing for the findings of fact and conclusions of law for
the variance request for Ashford Greens Subdivision by Brighton Corporation. Mr.
Anderson?
Anderson: I was hoping we could do a question and answer I could probably deal with that
a little bit better. Maybe I can fill you in, Mr. Crookston and I spoke on Monday on this.
Corrie: Wayne would you swear him in please?
John Anderson, was sworn by the City Attorney.
Anderson: The Nampa Meridian Irrigation District has no policy requiring piping
fortunately some of the City and County agencies do have that requirement and I think it
makes everybody's life a lot easier. Over the past years we have tried several things, one
being underneath parking lots we have tried it through back yards with license agreements
stating nothing would go over our pipe lines. We have gates and can access it at any
given time. We have a lot of those kinds of sections, it takes us awhile to get things right
I guess. We started noticing more and more that in these back yard situations where we
have a lateral or an easement and a license agreement and a legal document stating we
have the right to still come in there when we do have problems it is near impossible. So
what the district has gone to and it is not a matter of written policy but it is a policy it was
discussed at a board meeting today is that if we are going to have facilities through back
yards we are going to maintain either one of two ways with a gravel roadway along side
it so no one can build over the top of it or that we have a fenced in area or an alley way
if you will which may be a great place for bike pathways and I know you guys are liking
those. We are seeing a little resistance towards that, the fact of the matter, I can site an
example. Jackson Stub Drain, I worked with Gary Smith a number of years over here off
of Locust Grove. As development occurred on the west side of Locust Grove Road I don't
recall the name of the subdivision but they put in an 18 inch pipe in a drain that probably
should have had a 24 inch pipe causing a lot of flooding east of Locust Grove and a little
bit on the west side. The City of Meridian requested that we dig it all up and put in larger
pipe. We looked at the subdivision that had probably be in place for I don't know 10 or 15
years. Maybe, we made the offer to the City of Meridian if I can recall it correctly this is
probably where I will get in trouble for lying but I think we offered to buy the pipe and
repair it if the City of Meridian would clear the easement off for us. It didn't last for very
long, they had you name it, patio slabs over the top of it, gazebos, just upstream two years
ago within 3 months in a subdivision same direction, we had manhole covers and we had
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an easement agreement to have fence skirting around the subdivision we were supposed
to be supplied with gates at every lot line and in that 24 inch pipe in the same drain we had
a problem a plug up. We sent employees in thereto find the gazebo over the top of a
manhole, we got that moved, we got an employee down in the manhole with material to
clean out this plug while he was in there the land owner came out slid the manhole over
the top of him, proceeded to lock the gate so our employee couldn't get out of the yard.
Nobody got hurt and we got the job done and had some upset employees, but these type
of examples is why we went to this policy. Our board is 10096 behind that and in some
situations we can get by without a roadway (inaudible) like the golf course for instance if
they were to pipe some of it. We need to still be able to course all the way through, I don't
think something like a golf course is going to prevent that. We can still course down our
easements if needed. You get into backyards, the fact of the matter is that those people
they own the property and they want the right to enjoy it and we don't try to stop that. But
we get you name it on top it, we get trees planted on top of it and then the roots grow in.
So I guess at that point if I can answer any questions I would be more comfortable doing
that.
Crookston: I would just bring the Council up to date and just remind them this came up at
a hearing and Mr. Turnbull and his engineer stated that in Bedford Place they had put in
the the and they were required to put in a gravel road. I don't recall whether or not if there
was required fencing, but the question of the Council was do we want to have and still
require piping if there has to be a fence and or a gravel road. The Council wanted me to
get in touch with Nampa Meridian and that is why Mr. Anderson is here and I appreciate
his being here. I think that really what it amounts to is as I txtderstood it what Nampa
Meridian does is they determine whether or not, they determine whether a gravel road is
necessary whether or not fencing is necessary, whether or not the placement of the ditch
or the (inaudible) lateral that is piped where is it and what effect is it going to have on the
lots within the area whether it be a subdivision or an open area. If it appears to Nampa
Meridian that it could eventually cause problems in their gaining access then they require
one or two of those items being the gravel road and the fence and the question to the City
is do you want to have those areas still piped if that is going to be done because there is
aesthetic problems with one or both of those ways to handle what is done after it is piped.
Anderson: Can 1 address that subdivision (inaudible) they both nm through front yards, the
only requirement that we have is we would be able to come off of our muddy ditch banks
on one end of the (inaudible) wet and muddy and we might not be able to tum off and get
back (inaudible) nice Kentucky bluegrass lawn (inaudible). We try not to do that but
occasionally we have to deal with that. The largest facility we have in there is called the
Finch Lateral or it was commonly known as the South Slough a number of years ago. That
facility can pick up a tremendous amount of drainage water and in that particular case we
did not want. to be cut off access to the head end of that pipeline if an emergency
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(inaudible) the facility is buried through these front yards on that facility also and at a
depth of about six feet. There again that is a real large facility there is no way we can
actually shut it completely off so we need good accessibility because if it was flooding I
can guarantee that everybody would want us in there repairing it. I. don't think it would
cause problems maybe it would ruin a few lot lines but we generally don't go out and put
these ditches in after the subdivision has been there for a long time and we try what we
can do to accommodate them.
Crookston: Mr. Anderson, with regard to Ashford Greens application for a variance they
requested a variance not to pipe the Safford Lateral and the Eight Mile Lateral. They
indicated that they each carry approximately 2100 to 2000 minor inches of water. The City
has been allowing variances if there is sufficient evidence to state that it could be piped
with a 48 inch pipe. There is some discussion as to, there was some discussion that if you
use a concrete pipe it can handle more water ten I assume a corrugated pipe or plastic.
Is there a difference as to how much water a concrete pipe can handle as opposed to any
other type of pipe?
Anderson: Yes, plastic pipe. probably has the best flow characteristics, Gene Smith the
engineer with Hubble he would be a better one to ask that. The concrete pipe is a little
more resistant to homeowner malfunction, they usually can't run, put a fence in or dig a
hole for a tree and use a big power auger they can go right through a plastic joint and ruin
real quickly. We have requirements that the depth of plastic pipe be no less than 36 inches
of cover. We are now experience a lot of problems with the plastic pipe in so much as we
have a contractor dig into them and they are not making the correct repairs. Twenty four
inch ADS pipe has a repair band and sometimes maybe two of these at the cost of about
$900 and the contractors that hit them don't mind repairing them but they don't want to
repair them as we instruct them to or as the manufacturer requires. They want to come
and pour a bunch of concrete out and we are sitting out here just hanging on the edge and
we don't have this kind of problem with a concrete pipe so plastic pipe is only in specific
applications in our system and we feel it is very well protected we will allow it. If it is not
if it is going to go through common areas, (inaudible) we feel it may get hit and we are not
going to allow them we will go strictly concrete. The two examples, the- Safford and the
Eight Mile I am 99.9% sure that 48 inches is more than adequate and we do have an
engineering firm, I missed a previous City Council meeting when the variance was given
down stream on what is called the Cresson Lateral to pipe it. Same engineering firm said
48 inch pipe would not work just up stream and the Finch lateral 36 inch pipe was
approved, same facility. I really felt bad about missing that meeting, I (inaudible) just a little
bit late 1 believe it was 10:30 and I would have loved to have been here. If the District is
willing to accept the responsibility on these pipe sizes if we say it will work then we hope
the Council supports that because we are going to take full responsibility on those flows.
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Crookston: What about corrugated metal pipe, do you allow that to be used?
Anderson: Yes, specifically no less thana 10 gauge, all of these specifications that we
have are based on life span. Our engineers feel that a 10 gauge probably has a 50 year
plus life span. We don't want to see say for instance a 16/18 gauge pipe go in, we have
seen it lasting 10 to 20 years and then it will rot out. Well who gets to pay for that, the
taxpayers and all of us in this room. So we want to put some material that will lost the
longest, get the most longevity out of it that is why our specifications are like that. We do
lots of steel pipe, we~do lots of concrete pipe. The cost wise, we were buying last year
concrete pipe cheaper than we were buying plastic pipe for our own use. The steep pipe
usually runs a little higher than concrete so generally people stay away from that. It
doesn't have quite as good a seal ability depends on what kind of facility whether it is a
(inaudible) how much pressure is on it (inaudible). So it really depends on the application
and I know that sounds kind of wishy washy but we really look at what a facility is going
to be like if we do allow a steel pipe (inaudible).
Crookston: What does the district do or how does it determine how much impact it is going
to have on the district. Let's say, 1 think as we discussed if it is going to be in the front yard
let's say of lots you don't have as much problem with access because you can get to it. If
the tiling is in the back yard that is where you have problems. How do you determine what
the problems are going to be?
Anderson: (Inaudible) we have been an irrigation district since 1904, the district, I
certainly wasn't around back then. I personally have about 20 years with the irrigation
district, I guess I could say I have seen almost everything. Everything that could be done
on it. Our license agreements are legal agreements, they mean a lot if you want to go to
court. Everybody can go hire and attorney and I will guarantee that is the first thing out of
their mouths and we contend with that a lot so we try to bullet proof our system as best as
possible. We worked with the City of Meridian as far as putting a lot of the sewer lines
down our drainage and I thought that was a great idea -because we probably both work
real hard to keep those easements. If you needed to get to your sewer you could get to it
and if we needed to-get to our drainage facility we probably have double coverage there.
But years of experience, and front yards we course most of our laterals on a daily basis,
once a day and those front, yards we can see what they are doing. Most of the front yards
have real restrictive covenants in their subdivisions, no fences, no trees and so far that
they have to set back. One big wont' that I have it getting too close to utilities, and I have
seen gas lines,- electrical lines going across them right over the top of our lines so we have
to be real careful with that that we kind of get them parted out of corridor. We can live with
them in there but not right on top of us it is too dangerous. Did I answer your question.
Crookston: In the application for Ashford Greens for their variance the Safford Lateral as
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I understand it would basically be between Golfview Estates which is the subdivision to
the south and Ashford Greens. Do you anticipate that would be a problem in having that
piped?
Anderson: No, not a bit in fact I think everybody wins when they are piped. There are
several factors, one is safety, in my 20 years I have probably been on that many drownings
and I think piping offers tremendous amount:of safety to the community. Number two is
you get seepage naturally, it leaks out of there, you guys are going to hear about, we hear
about it all the time. We spent half a million dollars of district tax payers money this last
tiling the ditch that sits up above Costco down by the mall, we have a ditch that runs the
rim of that. We continued on down past Maple Grove in Maple Hills Estates because I road
that when it was still being farmed, even. when it was being farmed we had water next
door. They built those homes so close to those back fences those people go out and mow
their lawns and practically need pontoon boats to do it. It has been a problem to do it since
day one. Our board finally said we are tired of hearing that but who suffers it is the
taxpayers. We are not a private corporation, we are like a city or any other quasi-
municipality. We charge to get that stuff prepared and there is a tremendous amount of
benefits for that for everyone.
Crookston: The same question with the Eight Mile Lateral, do you know where that runs?
It would cross, it runs through the golf course where the golf course is now and then it
would run through some of the new land that is intended to ultimately be part of the golf
course and is also going to be run through part of land that is going to be part of a
subdivision. It is going to run somewhat north or south to north I assume in a portion of
that subdivision. Have you seen the plans for Ashford Greens Subdivision?
Anderson: Maybe, I see a lot of plans, I travel from east to Boise to west to Lake Lowell,
I see a lot of plans. I know I met preliminary out on site with the developers, I am just not
(inaudible) I can't say. But (inaudible) you get seepage from these facilities you have the
safety factor, it is just an all around benefit cost wise. I know the developers really spend
a lot of money doing that. The district has extended and laid pipe for several developers,
we did it in Elk Run. The developers supplied all of the materials the district used its labor
and machinery to put in the pipe. We also did it in Johnson's development over here off
of Linder Road, The Landing. We laid 48 inch pipe in there (inaudible) so I think we can
do some things to help share cost in that. We try to set up so many of those a year, as
many as we can do with our other work to help that flow smoother.
Morrow: I have a question, what you are indicating to us is there is not going to be a
consistent policy of whether it would be plastic, concrete or metal in terms of a guideline
or whether it was going to be covered and have a graveled roadway over it or a fence over
it. We are going to see those on a case by case basis is that correct.
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Anderson: I would like to see a policy in place that would help you guys so you would
understand it better. But like I say you have a big difference, you have a subdivision
(inaudible) golf course. Two very different facilities, the golf course we can get out easily,
we are not going to be stopped. Put that same setting in a back .yard it is a little bit
different. As far as the pipe goes I would say we are going to hold pretty tight to concrete
for the most part. It is probably going to be only under special board approval is what (-
have spoke with the board in order to get a variance for waiver from that. As far as the
steel pipe, the corrugated metal pipe that depends on how much back pressure we have
on a pipe, these pipes are not designed to take much of a-head, it will just squirt out the
sides, if you are familiar with that. If you have a nice level or down hill application steel
pipe wold probably work fine. Or ditches run in all sorts ol: fashions, some of them
(inaudible) Ridenbaugh Canal uphill at Maple Grove because it is sure higher up on the
ridge when you get a mile away from them when when it starts to be. So every ditch is
different, it has, I think it will be pretty consistent with what we do. There is some kind of
policy if you guys want to help us develop. What would make you help understand what
we are doing I would be happy to sit down with Gary and get that.
Morrow: I think part of my concern is that no only do we but our staff and the development
community need to have some sort of feel going into the situation what may be required.
That is difficult if it is not a standard policy.
Anderson: Well our policies range from time to time. This is a pretty new 3 or 4 months old.
I can see if we can get something in witting if it would make it easier for you. If it goes in
the back yard I think we are going to stay consistent with, you know developers choice
they say they don't want to put fences up on both sides. I like that approach because it
is an alley way and kind of a no man's land. The people buy the home they know what
they have got and they know they are not going to be back in there planting a garden or
putting in a hot tub in there, it is real simple they can see that. If we put a gravel road in
there we are going to maintain it, we are probably going to keep it sterile we are going to
let him know we don't want them growing a garden in there because we have tom a few
of them out and it is no fun. No matter what you do it is still no fun. I will try to get
something in writing. 1 have just had my board meeting today and the other one is two
weeks off maybe I can come over and sit down with Gary and see what will help you.
Rountree: You indicated you would maintain your gravel road in that situation how about
any dirt that would be in between fences and growing weeds?
Anderson: Well one of the things that we are going to try this fall that we have never tried
in the past is we are going to try to get into some (inaudible) grasses along our easements
where they are not gravel but we have piped areas that are already fenced in. We may go
to something like that but we want to get a definite defined area. i think if it was truly going
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to be in somebody's back yard and we are going to say no gates back through there they-
would probably fence it off anyway because nobody wants and open bads yard. It would
be a great opportunity, once again like I said I know we have worked with the City as far
as bike paths fill that into your plan. I think our board, I can't speak for them but I think if
our ditches were piped I think that would be a great place for bike paths because I think
we can close them down and work on them when ever we needed to and the public would
use them and we would have no danger whatsoever.
Crookston: How much maintenance do you have when either a lateral or drain ditch is
tiled?
Anderson: How much maintenance? Well it depends, I just purchased another used
mower to mow our right of ways because we are getting so much demand for keeping the
weeds and things down. We do spray. It depends on whether or not they have any
problems, some of them we have zero, absolutely none. That would be the most optimum
but we have had pipe lines in the ground for almost 20 years and all of the sudden for
some reason, when they used aluminum pipe a lot 20 years ago they used a heat melt on
band and they are deteriorating and falling apart and we have to go in and fix those. In
some cases we don't even know what we have underground out there. We didn't put it in
the developers did and some of them were mavericks and some of them just did it in the
winter, we maintain 400 to 600 miles of canals, laterals and drains (inaudible) we can't
stay on top of it I am sure like any other organization, we try to do the best we can.
Probably would just be mowing, if it is was a gravel roadway and we were going to keep
it sterile it would be spraying it once or twice a year. We have probably 90°~ of our system
still an open system so I guess I can't answer that very well.
Crookston: There is no problem with having turf over something that is piped is there,
grass?
Anderson: If it were open, see everybody buys their home and everybody wants to throw
a fence up and a gate. I think we are back to the same problem, if it were a maintained
corridor like a bike path then turf would work fine. But my experience has been well
somebody says can't we plant some grass bads there and the next thing they have a
garden and the next they have trees back there or strawberries or rose bushes or some
kind of berry bushes and it starts atl over again. I think it really needs to be well defined,
we have areas where they are maintained in little parkways out off of Victory Road, our
Farmers lateral is going to be a sidewalk along side of it and it is all a grass area and is
maintained by the homeowners association. I think that is great, if we have to get in there
we roll up on the sidewalk. The biggest problem is if we do have to got through there and
somebody is irrigating or sprinkling or whatever our trucks are going to leave big
impressions. There again people love their yards they are going to come and say we want
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it fixed, we want it repaired and we don't want a bunch of bad neighbors out there. Like
I said we are just trying to bullet proof what we have and make it easy on everybody in the
long run.
Crookston If you had, have you ever granted a license agreement to a homeowners
association to maintain either the ditch or the if it were tiled the area above the ditch?
Anderson: We didn't, have a license agreement, we did have a few verbal agreements.
When I road ditch, there as an area called the Crawford lateral, it lasted for about 5 years,
they did a beautiful job, new people moved in with new idea from all over the country and
then they got railroad ties and rocks and the weeds were grown up and then they
complained we pay our taxes get back here and maintain this. They go back and recover
from what those land owners is quite expensive. There again you cause problems because
sooner or later we had to go back in there and tear a bunch of things out to make that ditch
run correctly. We had to start maintain the weeds again and we had some people do and
some people don't and they had never worked out. There are several of those areas we
have tried that. It is not working.
Crookston: Those are al! the questions that I have.
Rountree: I have one more, given the front end costs of piping aside which is easier to
maintain and which is efficient to maintain and open ditch or a closed ditch?
Anderson: A closed ditch if installed correctly.
Rountree: Have you ever been involved in a workshop or a situation where you had an
opportunity to work with (inaudible) of the City of Meridian and a group of developers to
try and resolve and come to some kind of a test case that we might put forth to address
some of these issues. Both sides of thing and I can appreciate both, but we have to live
together.
Anderson: Absolutely, I would like to say daily, but weekly I get with developers. I would
live to sit down at a workshop, I think that is great if somebody wants to put one together.
We are rewriting our specifications right now given typical drawings of head walls and
(inaudible) somebody said pass it around to all the engineering firms and let them
comment on it before your board adopts it. I think they were trying to give me heart attack
from laughing because we would probably come back with as many ideas as we have
engineering firms Lucky Peak to west of Lake Lowell. I wouldn't mind if there were a
group of developers and if they wanted to appoint one person to deal with that. If there
was a couple of civil engineering organizations that wanted to review our comments and
make suggestions maybe we could live with that and we are not that (inaudible). We do
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know about maintaining them how much room, that has always been a problem. I tried on
some of our easements leaving an open roadway on one side and let the developers pipe
(inaudible) fence right over to the edge within 2 or 3 feet and they said you don't need both
sides. So I tried several of those types of things. What happens is you end up with grass
on one side that we can't to and if you spray them they call our friends at the department
of agricultural and tell them we are trying to kill their dogs or kids. They tell us to go get
sized and besides from that we have too large a system and not a big enough budget to
hire people to manually do that. I can get to them I have machinery that can take care of
those kinds of things. You bet I would love to sit down in a small group. I know there is a
building counsel or a developers council they appoint a few people. There are plenty of
engineering firms, I don't even care who (inaudible) let's sit down and talk that would be
great.
Rountree: Thank you.
Corrie: Any further discussion? Thank you Mr. Anderson. Counselor, I have a question
for you, we need to continue this until the May 21st meeting or June 4th
Crookston: To allow notice to the populace we need to continue it to the June, first meeting
in June. I think we need to open it up in case there is anybody here now as to whether or
not they want to come forward and present anything. We have opened the hearing.'
Corrie: Is there anybody from the public that would like to give testimony at this time for
the open. hearing?
David Turnbull, 12426 W. Explorer Drive, Boise, was sworn by the City Attorney.
Turnbull: I just wanted to follow up on Councilman Rountree's question to John regarding
some kind of workshop. I think that is kind of where I was directing my last testimony in the
last meeting. Over the years we have developed some 4000 home sites in this valley and
not once have we cut off anybody's irrigation water down stream to them. We know our
obligation to get irrigation water to the downstream user. It has always been our intent and
we have always used what we consider best engineering practices to accomplish that. But
it seems to me we have dealt with a lot of irrigation districts and they have all got their
different parameters, we have dealt with different municipalities and they all have their
different parameters. The point I was trying to make at the time was maybe Meridian City's
ordinance needs to be reviewed with some of these facts before us and work out a
reasonable system where we are not just spending the maximum doi{ars for the least
benefit but let's maximize this for everybody. John had given some testimony here that
quite frankly I will probably digest a little bit and come back with something in written form
and maybe that is something we can discuss around a workshop type of an arrangement.
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That is the comment that I made at the last testimony. I wasn't looking for a quick
decision, I wanted the best decision and I wanted to create some kind of forum where this
could come to a better resolution than I think it has been going lately. We have
developed, we have done developments where we have open greenbelt waterways with
bikepaths along them that stretch for a couple of miles and work real well. I will tell you
what those laterals before we developed around them were overgrown with weeds and
were maintain once over 10 years. They have never looked so good as they do now. So,
I think there are probably some suggestions on both sides of the table where we can work
together if everybody is willing to do that and I would like to see that. That is my whole
point in bringing up the issue in the first place. So, I would like to follow up on Councilman
Rountree's suggestion and put something together in that regard.
Morrow: I think I would like to offer this, it is obvious that with the change in Nampa
Meridian we need to really look at what our policy and ordinance states because it seems
to me now that there needs to be a little bit more flexibility. I think that it makes a certain
amount of sense to develop some method to be able to determine what it is is going to be
required from each project. So I would favor a round table or a committee or whatever to
kid of begin to work with these issues.
Turnbull: Once again I stated in the last meeting, Mr. Mayor, that we are not, we are fine
on tabling this decision for some. We are developing certain parts of Ashford Greens
immediately but they have not they are not impacted, they are not adjacent to these
laterals that are in question now. I think as I said before it might be a couple of years
before we get to those maybe a year and a half or maybe two years before we get to those
areas in the development. I know we talked about a deferral to June 4th, if you want to
defer it beyond that it is acceptable to us. I would rather take the requisite time and see
a positive outcome to this whole situation.
Bentley: I have a question, you spoke with some of the places you did open ditches with
bike paths, what size ditches were these?
Turnbull: Similar size to what these are.
Bentley: Did you have to fence them off?
Turnbull: No, there is one that runs through the Hobble Creek Subdivision, Eagle Road to
Cloverdale Road through Hobble Creek and Boise Research Center. Part of it is under
construction now about half is completed and the other half is under construction.
Rountree: I think you have got us close to where you want us and you have indicated that
you probably are looking at a couple years (inaudible) variance (inaudible) on this
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particular subdivision. I would suggest that maybe we either table this item or act on this .
item in terms of the findings of fact that would address the putting together of a committee
to review (inaudible) Nampa Meridian Irrigation's policy with respect to tiling ditches. With
input from the public and work with the development community in fashioning that. Either
that or just leaving this item tabled indefinitely and I don't know that sits well with Council.
It would be hard to pick a day certain in which to have a finding.
Turnbull: Mr. Mayor and Mr. Rountree, I don't necessarily want it to go out 2 years but 6
months time I would think we ought to be able to pull together those workshops and
complete them and come to some sort of resolution.
Corrie: Any further discussion?
(Discussion Inaudible)
Corrie: Thank you David, anybody else from the public that would like to bring testimony
at this time?
Gene Smith, 9550 Bethel Court, Boise, was sworn by the City Attorney.
Smith: Mr. Mayor and members of the Council I would just like to make one point and Mr.
Anderson referred to it a little bit on the Creason lateral. As some of your will recall I was
before you at several of those meetings discussing the Creason Lateral. It puts the
engineering community in kind of a tough position because we are required to certify and
guarantee basically that a certain size pipe will cany flow that Nampa Meridian is putting
down that ditch. When I am given the flow from Nampa Meridian and they say it will fit in
a 48 inch pipe and I am saying no it won't because I am not going to stamp it and they
tum around and will not take the responsibility should anything flood out, I am certain not
going to take that responsibility. We need to somehow structure in there that if Nampa
Meridian says that flow will fit into a 48 inch pipe then they need to take the responsibility
should anything happen in the future.
Rountree: Could that be handled by a certification by the district either that or have their
engineer stamp the plans.
Smith: That would be great as a matter of fact I requested that on the Creason lateral and
it was not provided.
Rountree: Has their (inaudible)
Smith: I don't know what reason, I could not get it.
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Corrie: Anybody else have any other questions? Anybody else from the public that would
like to enter testimony at this time? Council, discussion?
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I think that what I would like to see happen is that we have findings
that were approved that basically came to no decision. 1 think that I would like us to do
something with that and then at the same time defer Mr. Turnbull's project long enough to
put together a committee and to begin study and resolution of this issue. So I guess what
I want to do is ask Counselor's advice on how we specifically deal with this set of findings
is a no decision set of findings.
Crookston: Well the first thing that I believe the Council needs to do is we need to set a
date for additional testimony so that is published in the newspaper so that other people
have an opportunity to come forward if they desire. Then we can address the findings
after that is done so that not only can we address in the findings what was submitted
tonight but in the additional testimony (end of Tape) addressing whatever you want to.
You would need to revoke your approval of those findings and have new findings
prepared. But I think where the Council is heading is that you may want to have the
workshop or whatever you are thinking of done and then have the additional public hearing
at that time after you have held your workshops so that people can then testify again.
think you could have the hearing on June 4th but you may also have to have another
public hearing after that after you have your workshop you have people come forward,
have presentations after the workshops are done.
Rountree: I don't understand the advantage of leaving this hearing open for this particular
item and. (inaudible) it would seem to that if we have public input or request public input
then it be on the issue of Meridian's ordinance for tiling ditches and or Nampa Meridian
Irrigations policy related to that.
Crookston: The reason that you need to leave this hearing open is so that the public has
an additional opportunity. We may get no additional testimony but we have to give the
publican opportunity we have to publish notice so that they can come forward just as Mr.
Anderson has, Mr. Smith and Mr. Turnbull. ff somebody else wants to give testimony we
have to give them notice that they have the opportunity to do that.
Cowie: I think Council after that June 4th meeting you can close the public hearing at that
time and go with what you are asking for at that point. But we do need to continue it.
Morrow: Let me ask, by attacking it from another angle, and I think what you are saying
here counselor is that the only reason for continuing or tabling would be to make a
decision whether we wish to have new findings and facts and conclusions drawn and it
seems to me that having new findings of fact and conclusions drawn would be predicated
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on whatever solution we came up with for this problem. So it seems to me to make more
sense to table this until the July 16th or thereabouts to give us time to implement a
committee to do the study and take advantage of any changes we might opt to make. At
that point in time we do new findings based on what the policy or the ordinance
restructuring is going to be.
Crookston: I think that it is mandatory that we.keep the hearing open for whatever length
of time you want to .deal with it. But we have to keep it open to allow any additional
testimony if there is, there may not be any. But if you are going to have workshops and
things of that nature to change the ordinance or to have additional facts on that I think that
you still need to leave this hearing open so that you can receive testimony on those from
the workshops.
Morrow: And tabling keeps the hearing open is that correct?
Crookston: That is correct.
Morrow: I move we table until July 16.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion has been made and seconded that we table the public hearing until July 16,
1996, any further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Crookston: Do you want a notice done for the Judy 16 meeting to give the public an
opportunity to come forward?
Corrie: I think you would have to counselor?
Morrow: We have to notice it but we don't have to make that decision until some time in
June.
Crookston: That would be true.
Morrow: So let's make it in dune when we see how we are progressing in terns of the
study.
ITEM #3: TABLED APRIL 2, 1996: PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE LAKE AT CHERRY
LANE NO. 5 BY STEINER DEVELOPMENT: DISCUSSION OF REQUIREMENTS IN
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Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I would move that we instruct the City Attorney to prepare new findings
of fact and conclusions.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree that new findings of fact and
conclusions of law be drawn up by the City Attorney, any further discussion? All those in
favor of the motion? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #3: PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR DOVE MEADOWS NO. 2 SUBDIVISION BY DAVE
LEADER; TABLED MARCH 5, 1996:
Corrie: So we can table that one until the new findings of fact and conclusions of law.
Tolsma: So moved
Bentley: Second
Corrie: Moved by Mr. Tolsma, second by Mr. Bentley that we table the plat for Dove
Meadows No. 2 Subdivision until the next meeting which will be April (End of Tape)
ITEM #4: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW FOR VARIANCE
REQUEST FOR ASHFORD GREENS SUBDIVISION BY BRIGHTON CORPORATION:
Corrie: Council I believe, Counselor is this the one we were discussing? Okay, you have
the findings of fact and conclusions for the variance request which is a variance for a
variance.
Morrow: Correction on page 6, item 8, it is a typo that says John Turnbull it should say
David. I have a question on page 13, item 12, we had talked about the information coming
from Nampa Meridian apparently it hasn't come, is that correct Gary? The Nampa Meridian
new design for cover ditches with gravel and fencing, we don't have any confirmation from
Nampa Meridian on any of that information is that correct?
Smith: I haven't seen anything.
Morrow: Essentially what these findings of fact do is that they decide not to decide due to
the lack of information.
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Corrie: That is correct.
Morrow: I would like to ask the counselor, he has indicated in item 18 page 15 that it is
concluded that this should be tabled until the blank day of, month of 19 whatever.
Crookston: That is for the Council to decide that is why it is left blank. The concern was
that the information that was provided (inaudible) but also the information that the City has
and also the concern of the applicant has been addressed by other developers about the
necessity for the the of the ditches (inaudible) did not have information from Nampa
Meridian as to what they require when a ditch is tiled because the applicant stated that he
had been in Bedford Place even though the ditch was tiled he was required to fence the
easement and to gravel the easement where the pipe had been laid. The question then
becomes is it (inaudible) which clearly indicates that Bedford Place (inaudible) improved
aesthetically (inaudible) Fothergill is more difficult to make an irrigation lateral more
aesthetically pleasing than it is a drain ditch I believe but I think we need some information
on that and what it brings to the City is to reevaluate whether or not you want the ditches
piped and need to go to Nampa Meridian to get some direct information from them as to
what happens when the ditch is tiled.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, if there is no further discussion I am prepared to move that we table
these until May 7th, that will give us 30 days to try and get some of these answers given
the developers indication by his letter dated the 29th of March that should cause no undue
burden to him and in the mean time it will enable both of us to do our research and resolve
the problem. So I would move we table until Tuesday May 7th.
Tolsma: Second
Corrie: Okay, motion is made to table the variance until May 7th and second by Mr.
Tolsma, all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Morrow: I would then move that we adopt the findings of fact and conclusions of law as
prepared for us.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree that we adopt the findings
of fact and conclusions of law, any further discussion? Councilman Morrow
Crookston: Excuse me Mr. Mayor, I would like to address the issue that (inaudible) when
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we get the information that we are desirous of.
Corrie: We can do that at that time. I will continue the vote.
ROLL CALL VOTE: Morrow -Yea; Bentley -Yea, Rountree -Yea, Tolsma -Yea
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Morrow: Mr. Mayor the decision would be that it is decided pursuant to the above stated
findings of fact and conclusions of law that this application for a variance from 11-9-605N
of the revised and compiled ordinances of the City of Meridian is hereby tabled until the
7th day of May, 1996.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion is made and seconded on the decision, all those in favor say aye?
Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #5: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW FOR CONDITIONAL USE
PERMIT FOR THE LAKE AT CHERRY LANE NO. 5 BY STEINER DEVELOPMENT:
Corrie: Council you have the findings of fact and conclusions of law in front of you, any
discussion at this point?
Morrow: On page 9, item 4, I believe the number 5 should be inserted in, 40 foot right of
way, five foot sidewalks on one side. On age 20, item 2, last sentence, it says totally
reconstruct them in 20 parentheses, it should say 20 years not 30. Same issue on page
24, item 11, last three words, them in 20 parentheses it should be 20 years not 30, The
last comment I have is with respect to under conclusions on page 23, item 6, it says
constructing and placing the recreation club house and all amenities thereto including the
swimming pool. On page 13, in the testimony, I am song page 16 in the testimony it was
indicated that the club house, for the club house the structure would be built immediately
upfront with the subdivision improvements and so I think that ought to be reflected in line
6, that the construction time is as advertised or as presented to us by Mr. Bradbury and
Mr. Campbell that it would be done upfront.
Rountree: I would make the same comment for item 7 as well.
Morrow: That would be correct.
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way on the other side. We believe that is an intolerable situation long term. Given your
location you are obviously one of the first cities to feel the impact of some of those things
if they were to happen. Another is interstate location, for new interchange somewhere
between Meridian and Garrity Blvd. interchange. The Canyon County Highway Districts
have Robertson Road identified as their preferred alternative in the future, we in our long
range plan have either Ten mile or Black Cat Road identified as the preferred alternatives,
in fact I think we ended up with Ten Mile as the one we recommended as preserving right
of way. It is pretty clear to us that if the two counties do not get together and agree on a
single location that neither of those will be built in the next 20 years. There will be an
enforcement done essentially by the limitation on the funds that are provided through the
Federal Highway Administration. Some of those kind of issues are the ones I would like
you to think about, find the mechanism that is appropriate for you and for the Mayor to
provide us some feedback. My preference is that we would get back from you either a
prioritized list of all of these or just an identification of the key ones that you would like to
have this group pay attention to as it seeks to bring the elected officials in Canyon County,
elected ofFcials in Ada County and some of our senior staff members together to do joint
planning. I think unless you have questions I would probably do better to stop there
tonight.
Corrie: Any questions from Council? Would you like to take this up at one of our planning
meetings and look at it for awhile and then discuss it and we get back with Claire and this
committee what we would like to see (inaudible).
Morrow: I think the proper forum is the strategic planning meetings.
Rountree: I guess I do have a question for Claire, what is the time line on this?
Bowman: We anticipate having the steering committee back together the second week of
June. So we really have 6 or 7 weeks before we have to begin blending things back
together into a common report.
Corrie: Any further questions or comments? Thank you Claire, we will get back with you
on that. Thank you for coming.
ITEM #2: TABLED FEBRUARY 20, 1996: VARIANCE REQUEST FOR ASHFORD
GREENS SUBDIVISION BY BRIGHTON CORPORATION:
Corrie: Is there a representative from Brighton?
Crookston: Mr. Mayor, is this a continuation of the public hearing, it doesn't say on the
agenda?
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Corrie: Yes it is.
David Turnbull, 12301 W. Explorer Drive, Boise, was sworn by the City Attorney.
Turnbull: I will try to move around here so I can make some references to this map and
the handouts will maybe make is easier for the Council to see what the issues are. The
first hand out I have given you is the bulk of the Asford greens project with two blue lines
denoting the major laterals that cross the property. The. second hand out I am going to
give you is a little more site specific because it regards to the Safford lateral where it abuts
Golf View Estates No. 2. As I mentioned there are two major laterals that abut the Ashford
Greens property and this might be a little confusing. Actually north is to the left and east
is to the top. The Eight Mile lateral runs through the current golf course in a open ditch to
this point, it is buried underneath the road opens up again at this point. Flows along where
the existing temporary club house is and makes a bend here and (inaudible) at
approximately that location. The Safford lateral comes off Cherry Lane runs through the
existing between Golf View Estates Subdivision and Cherry Lane Subdivision and comes
out at this point and makes a bend and then goes between Golf View Estates Subdivision
and Ashord Greens Subdivision and finally crosses Black Cat Road at this point here. WE
submitted for a variance request approximately a year ago and there were some issues
we have been trying to deal with since that time so we have asked for a continuation. I
suppose I am ready to talk about them now, I have had several conversations mostly with
former Mayor Kingsford, I had some with Councilman Morrow, I believe I have had some
with now Mayor Corrie who was then Council member at the time. If you look at the
second exhibit I gave you, I will speak specifically to the Safford lateral at this moment.
This is the Golf View Estates plat which was recorded in the Golf View Estates No. 2 was
recorded in September 1992. You see the pink area there, which denotes an area the
Safford Lateral falls entirely within the Golf View Estates property. The blue area is the
area of the open ditch and so you can where it leaves that pink area and continues to the
west. That is the area where the center line of the ditch falls on the Golf View Estates
property and the Ashford Greens subdivision property. So that ditch remains in and open
state at this time. My conversations with Mayor Kingsford regarding the entire site and
specifically about what is to be the disposition between Golf View Estates and Ashford
Greens and further more what is to be the treatment through and around the golf course.
If you look on the first exhibit I gave you it also shows that in a smaller scale so you get
a bigger scope of the picture. The Safford lateral between the point where it leaves the
pink region down to Black Cat road is approximately 2000 feet. The Eight Mile Lateral then
enters the property that is designated medium density parcel that large empty block in the
right hand corner. The Eight Mile Lateral enters the property at that point and continues
along this medium density parcel on its northeast boundary. From there it takes a sharp
angle to the north and would essentially flow through what has been dedicated by Mr.
Fuller to Meridian City for the golf course and then it takes another approximately 45
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degree bend back to the west center line between our property and I think it is (inaudible)
to the north. It leaves our property approximately where the page ends there. Of that
Eight Mile lateral you go back up to the medium density parcel there is approximately 920
feet between the current #1 fairway and this medium density parcel. There is
approximately 1320 feet between -our property and the Wilkerson property to the north.
And then there is approximately 1500 feet that runs through the golf course property.
When we first purchased the property we obviously looked at the surrounding conditions
noted the Golf View Estates that the ditch lied in an open .state at that point and also was
the Eight Mile Lateral remained in an open state through much of the golf course project.
So I guess what I am here for we understand a new ordinance was passed requiring all
ditches or laterals that will fit in a 48 inch pipe or under to be tiled. I guess that depends
on how you calculate it, ~ you calculate it in a CNP pipe corrugated metal pipe the Safford
Lateral requires a 60 inch pipe, the Eight Mile lateral requires a 54 inch pipe. It is possible
to run it into a 48 inch concrete pipe as you know that is rather expensive in fact I just got
some updated costs on 48 inch concrete pipe and 48 inch concrete pipe is approximately
$77 a foot for material and installation. That is just a portion of the cost in addition to that
you will have a running footing concrete structure that are required at least every 400 feet.
In addition to that Nampa Meridian irrigation District would require you to install a gravel
access over their ditch even where they don't have an existing gravel access, they
generally just have dirt roads. Now they want you to install an upgraded road for their
system at approximately $20 a foot. Not only that they want you to fence it as well at
approximately $8 a foot. So you total those all up and it is about $113 a running foot to
bury those pipes. If you take the approximately 2000 feet of the Safford lateral plus
approximately 2240 feet of the Eight Mile Lateral that is a total cost of just under a half
million to bury those two pipes. Which is obviously a terribly significant expense. In my
discussions particularly with mayor Kingsford we discussed the Eight Mile Lateral where
it abuts the current number 1 fairway of the Meridian Cheny Lane Golf Course. His feeling
at the time I think Councilman Morrow was in the same meeting what that perhaps that
would be an appropriate location for a number of reasons. Number one it abuts the golf
course and runs through the existing golf course that plays into the golf course Number
two a water hazard of that nature is beneficial to any house that abuts it because people
tend to drive away from water hazards and so that would probably help them to prevent
them from hitting into houses. Of course the Mayor made it clear that was his opinion and
was subject to, excuse me the then Mayor Kingsford, made it clear that was his opinion
and subject to Council approval. That has been my discussion with him so far. On the
Safford Lateral, there was the question since Golf View Estates had not been required to
the that lateral .that perhaps a variance would be granted on our side. Now the one point
the Mayor did bring up in our conversation that don't we stand to benefit from piping that
ditch, we have currently a 25 foot easement on our side of the property on the Safford
lateral. Well the problem is not only do you get the privilege of spending half a million
dollars to pipe their ditch you are also still required to put in a fence at the 25 foot
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easement you are still required to leave it in and then the gravel access road and
basically you haven't gained any ground and you haven't cleared up any weed patches
you are leaving it in the same configuration the only difference is you put it in a pipe. I
guess and I don't know exactly how to approach it but I would almost like to expand this
into a larger discussion of the issue of the ordinance itself. I don't mean to say this by any
way of assessing any blame or anything but the Meridian City ordinances in my view has
enabled or empowered Nampa Meridian Irrigation District to refuse to agree to any
standard of reasonableness. Ivan site you examples where three years ago we were
piping their ditches in ADS N-12 pipe which is a double wall plastic pipe, red pipe which
is approved by Ada County Highway District, it is approved by the Idaho publics work
contracting specifications we were using that three years ago in another subdivisions, all
of a sudden that is not acceptable pipe. anymore. The only thing that is acceptable is
concrete pipe. Three years ago we were piping those along back lot lines and people were
able to landscape that easement and get use and enjoyment out of that easement and no
longer are we allowed to do that. It is basically you are going to leave a demilitarized zone,
you are going to have 25 feet of barren ground in there that is not going to be used or
maintained by anybody except for the irrigation district. I have seen areas where they
come in and drudge out those ditches and leave the piles. They are really not interested
in maintaining a property in an orderly manner. At least a sitely and pleasing manner. In
answer to Mayor IUngsford's question don't we gain from it, no we don't gain anything from
it. Just another example is a project we are doing in Meridian, Bedford Place has 236
inch laterals running through it. Last year we did one of the laterals we piped it in an ADS
N 12 pipe, put it on front lot lines so they would have access to it off of their street. We go
back to do the same thing to the Finch lateral, I have spent four weeks fooling around
trying to get approval for doing the same thing we did a year ago and yet last something
that wasn't deep enough is almost too deep now. It is a frustration, it is a costly delay. I
wish that there were a way to provide some standard reasonableness in this whole
process. I probably have a lot of other things I could say ,and probably a lot of questions
you want to ask me and I would be happy to answer at this time.
Tolsma: What was the size of the pipe that (inaudible)
Turnbull: I couldn't tell you that, it looked big.
Tolsma: Gary do you know what that was?
Smith: No I don't.
Tolsma: I know on the other side of the road on the Albertsons (inaudible)
Turnbull: If I had to guess what I saw out on the road there was probably a 60 inch pipe.
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Tolsma: (Inaudible)
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Morrow: That would have been in the specs for the road and I don't know (inaudible) it
wasn't part of the presentations that were given to us. I have a couple of questions, I
understood you to say that if it is piped you still need to do the gravel access road and you
still need to fence the gravel access road is that correct?
Turnbull: That is what they required in Bedford Place Subdivision.
Morrow: Do we have a letter from them requiring that in here, do we know that?
Turnbull: I don't' know I have not made a submittal to them yet on this.
Morrow: With respect to the discussions with Grant and myself we did talk about the open
waterway along the golf course. As it appears to cross over and head north what were the
discussions with respect to that portion that crosses the golf course?
Turnbull: With the portion that crosses the golf course?
Morrow: This one right here this is the one that runs parallel to the golf course from this
point here to here.
Turnbull: My understanding is that runs through the golf course and would be used as
some sort of water hazard type of a situation like it is in the rest of the golf course.
Morrow: In the rest of the golf course is it not part of the site of the course, it doesn't cross
through the center of the golf course anywhere?
Crookston: Not at this juncture, excuse me, yet is does, it crosses in front of the number
7 tee and goes through part of its pipe underneath the eight fairway, the 9 fairway and
then it opens up back to just being open after it is under ground on the number 1 fairway
as it basically heads towards the club house, the existing club house.
Turnbull: Now Councilman Morrow basically on this configuration it does kind of parallel
the one fairway it .does cut across the green on that one hole so it becomes a shoot over
on the second shot on that one on that last hole there. There is also a pond planned in
there but the Mayor suggested that might be reconfigured in some manner from the way
it is laid out now, excuse me the former Mayor.
Morrow: Was it not also brought up that there would be places there for crossings for golf
carts and pedestrians and those kinds of things.
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Turnbull: Yes there would have to be crossings some kind of culvert system for crossings
where needed.
Morrow: And you are willing to participate in that if the variance if granted for the other
issues?
Turnbull: That is something we could certainly talk about I guess. I might just clarify
tonight, we have been at this for about a year, I am not looking for any answers or
decisions tonight, I understand it is complex and complicated issue. I would be happy, we
are not going to develop any of these parcels for at least two years. We have been in no
hung but I want to get the issues out on the table and I would like to pursue not only this
but the larger issue.
Morrow: I have no further questions.
Corrie: Looking at this, you are contemplating some open and some closed is that correct,
where it goes through the blockage of the homes to the north that would have to be
underneath.
Turnbull: Right, correct.
Corrie: So you are asking for some open part where it is the golf course and the
undemeath where the homes are and open at the Eight Mile lateral as it goes on north is
that correct?
Turnbull: Correct
Tolsma: Does the irrigation district have any problems with (inaudible)
Turnbull: Building over the top? They won't allow that.
Tolsma: Well on this lot 29 or 30.
Turnbull: That is the current location it would obviously have to be routed between lot lines
so it would fall on the side lot line easement, it would not bisect the lot.
Tolsma: That would basically be an access from the golf course into the street.
Turnbull: Probably would be and it would have to be piped at that location.
Rountree: You indicated there is a lack of interest on part of the Irrigation District to
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maintain these demilitarized zones as you called them, do you know what the language
is in those easements. It would appear to me that the Irrigation District is responsible for
the maintenance.
Tumbull: Well maintenance up to what aspect, I would, the ones I have seen have weeds
growing and how high do the weeds get before they come and do something about them
remains a question. I just saw a location next to a property we own where they came in
and dredged it up and left four to six foot piles of dirt just heaped up on the side. So they
plan on hauling that off I do not .know; when I do not know. But if I were an adjoining
property owner I would be very happy about the situation. I am not here to bash Nampa
Meridian I wouldn't mind sitting down and talking to them. When they are empowered by
the City and they know that you don't' have.any options, they really don't' care to talk, they
don't care to discuss it, it is their way of the highway.
Corrie: Well David did I understand you to' say it is going to be two years before you want
to approach this?
Tumbull: We are presuming it is going to be a ways off, we are doing approximately in our
first phase which you see down at the bottom, you can't see the whole thing but there are
54 lots there we have a medium density retirement center that is up fora hearing later
tonight which you see kind of on the right and middle part of the project which is 74 lots
which we anticipate doing this year. Between those we will have 128 lots and that might
take us a little while to work through. So I think we are probably 2 years off before we are
developing adjacent to those irrigation laterals. This is just a major irrigation laterals, we
have smaller 15 inch ditches and so forth that we are going to be piping through there so
we are already spending a high amount of money piping the smaller ditches.
Corrie: Any further questions from Council? Since this is a continuation of a public hearing
is there anybody from the audience that would like to comment or has questions? Council
any comments?
(Inaudible)
Corrie: I will when you are ready I will close it if you are ready to do that. I will close the
public hearing.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor I would move that we instruct the City Attorney to prepare findings of
fact and conclusions of law for the requested variance for Ashford Greens Subdivision.
Rountree: Second
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Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree that the Attorney draw up
findings of fact and conclusions of law for the variance request for Ashford Greens
Subdivision, any further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #3: TABLE MARCH 5, 1996: DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR SALMON
RAPIDS N0. 3 SUBDIVISION BY MARTY GOLDSMITH:
Corrie: Council?
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, due to new information that we are receiving from staff and also some
things that Mr. Goldsmith was supposed to have completed but as of yet has not 1 would
suggestion that we table this item to our April 2nd meeting.
Tolsma: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Tolsma that we table the development
agreement item until April 2nd meeting, any further discussion? All those in favor of the
motion say aye? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #4: TABLED MARCH 5, 1996: COVENANTS, CONDITIONS, AND RESTRICTIONS
FOR GEMTONE CENTER:
Corrie: Counselor, where are we on that?
Crookston: I submitted my comments to the City and I haven't received any new CC&R's.
(Inaudible)
Corrie: Evidently Council this was received today, the covenants, conditions and restriction
for Gemtone office center. So evidently you haven't had a chance to get copies of it yet.
Crookston: I have not reviewed what has been resubmitted.
Corrie: I think we had better table this again to the April meeting until we get that
straightened out.
Morrow: So let me understand this then, what has happened then is we as through the City
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Morrow: The list for ACRD is substantially longer than this list. This list is not
representative of what is going to go on in the City of Meridian or our impact area. It also
includes bridges and bridge replacements and the impact fees are used exclusively for
increased capacity systems, the stuff that is coming forth on Locust Grove Road and the
very near term is not listed on here but is part being paid for with impact fees that portion
which increases the capacity of the road. Generally speaking the rule of thumb is the
existing center two lanes are done with ACHD funds the increased capacity is done with
impact fees.
Rountree: Thanks Walt. I have one other question, right of way preservation, corridor
preservation if you will, shows a couple projects on here that are pretty sizable. I
understand that probably is going to transpire over that 20 year planning window, the
acquisition of those rights of way. You might, (inaudible) but it is not explained on this
particular piece of paper here. That would be helpful that it is not a $21 million project it
is $21 million spent over the period of 20 years to buy the right of way for Ustick widening.
Olen: These estimates also include the construction cost.
Rountree: That does include construction cost, that is not clear either.
Olen: I apologize, it does, even though at this point we are not looking at those
preservation only being constructed that would be the estimated cost of right of way.
Rountree: So that includes construction.
Olen: Yes
Corrie: Any further questions? Irv, thank you very much.
ITEM #1: TABLED NOVEMBER 8, 1995: VARIANCE REQUEST FOR ASHFORD
GREENS SUBDIVISION BY BRIGHTON CORPORATION:
Corrie: We have a letter that we received today that they requested that this City Council
table this continuing public hearing until March 19, 1996. So I will entertain a motion with
Council.
Morrow: So moved
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree that the continuation of the
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public hearing for variance request be tabled until March 19, 1996, all those approved say
aye? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #2: TABLED NOVEMBER 8, 1995: ANNEXATION AND ZONING REQUEST FOR
HIGHLANDS RANCH SUBDIVISION BY WESTPARK COMPANY:
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I believe that was tabled awaiting the preliminary plat to work its way
through the process and I think that preliminary plat is currently at the P & Z. So I believe
a table would be appropriate at this time probably at least for 30 days until that preliminary
plat gets through. Well, was at the P & Z meeting what was the disposition of the
preliminary plat hearing?
Berg: The preliminary plat was tabled until the next P & Z meeting to get some questions
answered.
Corrie: So we are going to need to go probably
Morrow: 60 days,
Corrie: The second meeting in April would be the 16th of April.
Morrow: Alright Mr. Mayor, I would move that we table the annexation and zoning request
for Highlands Ranch Subdivision until the second meeting in April which would be April
16th.
Tolsma: Second
Corrie: Motion is made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Tolsma, you have heard the motion,
all those in favor say aye? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #3: TABLED FEBRUARY 6, 1996: DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR SALMON
RAPIDS N0. 3 SUBDIVISION BY MARTY t;OLDSMITH:
Corrie: Shari, do we have that development agreement?
Stiles: Mayor Corrie and Council I am not sure where this development agreement is. I
believe he submitted some proposed changes for review by Counsel, but I really don't
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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING: FEBRUARY 20,_1996
APPLICANT: BRIGHTON CORPORATION ITEM NUMBER; 1
REQUEST; TABLED' NOVEMBER 8 1995• VARIANCE REQUEST FOR ASHFORD GREENS
SUBDNISION - REQUST TO WANE REQUIREMENT TO TILE THE EIGHT MILE AND SAFFORD
LATERALS
AGENCY
CITY CLERK:
CITY ENGINEER:
CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR:
CITY ATTORNEY:
CITY POLICE DEPT:
CITY FIRE DEPT:
CITY BUILDING DEPT:
MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT:
MERIDIAN POST OFFICE:
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT:
ADA COUNTY STREET NAME COMMITTEE:
CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH:
NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION;
SETTLERS IRRIGATION:
IDAHO POWER:
US WEST:
INTERMOUNTAIN GAS:
BUREAU OF RECLAMATION:
COMMENTS
C/C MINUTES FOR 4-18-95
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OTHER:
All Materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian.
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Kingsford: AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MERIDIAN AMENDING AND CHANGING
THE ZONING OF CERTAIN REAL PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF MERIDIAN WHICH IS
DESCRIBED AS A PARCEL OF LAND IN THE SE 1/4 OF THE SE 1/4 OF SECTION 3,
TOWNSHIP 3 NORTH, RANGE 1 WEST, BOISE MERIDIAN, ADA COUNTY, IDAHO; AND
PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Is there anyone from the public that would like
to have Ordinance #701 read in its entirety? Seeing no one I would entertain a motion on
Ordinance #701.
Tolsma: Mr. Mayor, I move we approve Ordinance #701 with the suspension of the rules.
Yerrington: Second
Kingsford: Moved by Ron, second by Max to approve Ordinance #701 with suspension
of the rules, roll call vote.
ROLL CALL VOTE: Morrow -Yea, Yerrington -Yea, Corrie -Yea, Tolsma -Yea
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #4: ORDINANCE #702 - GAMBLIN REZONE/R-8:
Kingsford: AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MERIDIAN AMENDING AND CHANGING
THE ZONING OF CERTAIN REAL PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF MERIDIAN WHICH IS
DESCRIBED AS A PARCEL OF LAND IN THE W 1/2 OF THE SE 1/4 OF THE SW 1/4 OF
SECTION 1, T.3N, R.1W, BOISE MERIDIAN, ADA COUNTY, IDAHO; AND PROVIDING
AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Is there anyone from the public that would like to have Ordinance
#702 read in its entirety? Seeing none I would entertain a motion on #702.
Tolsma: Mr. Mayor I move we approve Ordinance #702 with the suspension of rules.
Corrie: Second
Kingsford: Moved by Ron, second by Bob to approve of Ordinance #702 with the
suspension of rules, roll call vote.
ROLL CALL VOTE: Morrow -Yea, Yerrington -Yea, Corrie -Yea, Tolsma -Yea
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #5: PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE TO WAIVE REQUIREMENT
TO PIPE THE EIGHT MILE AND SAFFORD LATERALS FOR ASHFORD GREENS
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SUBDIVISION BY BRIGHTON CORPORATION:
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Kingsford: We are in receipt of a letter from Mr. Gene Smith the engineer, we have
noticed this for a public hearing so the public hearing will have to take place. Pursuant to
your request those we will defer action until a later date. Counselor, have you looked at
this letter? They have asked for a date uncertain, depending on the applicant. We can't
table, we can't continue a public hearing to a date uncertain can we?
Crookston: No, you need to table to a date certain whether its a public hearing or not.
Kingsford: Gene is there a date certain that you can give us? Because the information that
I am seeing in this letter should be part of the public record.
(Inaudible)
Kingsford: 6 months that is a long continuation. What is the Council's pleasure?
Corrie: Mr. Mayor, I guess my question Gene is why is this taking 6 months?
Smith: Mr. Mayor, members of the Council, the development, the first phase of the
development will not abut either the Safford or the Eight Mile Lateral. We would expect
it to be further along then we are at this time and we would not be doing anything that
would abut either of those laterals during this irrigation season.
Tolsma: (Inaudible)
Kingsford: Typically until October 15th
Smith: 6 moths would be the 17th of October.
Tolsma: (Inaudible)
Kingsford: Let's go ahead with the public hearing since it was noticed and then if its the
Council's pleasure we will continue to the second meeting in October. At this time I will
open the public hearing and invite the owner or his designee to speak first if they choose
to.
Gene Smith, 9550 Bethel Court, Boise, was sworn by the City Attorney.
Smith: Mr. Mayor, members of the Council, at the request of Brighton Corporation who is
the applicant in this matter I am here to represent that project Ashford Greens. The
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proposed subdivision, proposed development is located east of Black Cat, north of Cherry
and south of Ustick Roads. The parcel is bounded on the south by Safford Lateral and on
the north and east by the Eight Mile Drain. The City ordinance requires that all irrigation
ditches within or adjacent to development shall be piped, however, it has been the policy
of this body to not require a ditch to be piped if that flow within the ditch requires a pipe in
excess of 48 inches. In January of this year, I met with representatives from Nampa
Meridian on site to take a look at the requirements and materials and requirements of flow.
Shortly thereafter I believe in your packet is a letter from Nampa Meridian dated January
30th stating what those flow rates. Based on those rates we provided calculations to your
engineer which detailed a need fora 60 inch pipe to pipe the Safford along the south, a
54 inch CNP to pipe the Eight Mile along the north and east. Further investigation of ours
revealed that an existing 3 by 6 box culvert is under Black Cat where the Eight Mile Drain
crosses and there is also a 3 by 8 box where the Safford crosses underneath Black Cat.
The surface area of those box culverts far exceed the diameter or surface area of a 48 inch
diameter pipe and we believe based on that the neither the Safford nor the Eight Mile
Lateral should be piped. We would request your review of that.
Kingsford: Questions of Mr. Smith?
Morrow: Yes, Gene I have a couple, in terms of, unless there is something in my packet
missing Nampa Meridian in their remarks indicates they feel a 48 inch pipe would be
adequate for either the Safford Lateral or the Eight Mile Lateral.
Smith: I saw the remarks I didn't see any of their calculations. My biggest concern would
be if we go ahead based on that and pipe either of those drains either or the Eight Mile or
the Safford knowing that there is greater capacity underneath Black Cat and we choke that
flow down and flood out a subdivision 1 doubt very much that Nampa Meridian will take the
responsibility for that.
Morrow: Also, we have some areas in Cheny Lane Village now that would appear to be
piped with 48 inch pipe.
Smith: There is a piece that we have been able to find just north of Cherry Lane that is
piped, I can't tell you what the diameter of that is we were not able to did that outlet out to
see what the diameter was. The diameter where it goes in appears to be a larger diameter
then it went into a siphon condition. Where you got a little bit of fall you might get it into
a 48 inch going across this section of property it is extremely flat, especially the Safford
our topol shows it at a .09% and that is what kills it so far as the flow capacity within that
48.
Kingsford: I believe Gene that in the 2 spots, what is that Eight Mile that goes through the
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golf course, that is a 48 inch pipe. Where it goes from Cherry lane to the golf course is 48
and where it picks up again is piped from the number 8 fairway to the existing temporary
club house is a 48 inch pipe. So I couldn't tell you the topol there I don't know what the fall
is, I know they have a fall that is open so I would assume that it is fairly flat at least in the
second portion.
Smith: I can't tell you what the topol is over in that direction, we checked the topol from
the golf course over to Black Cat though.
Kingsford: Well, I think certainly some of that may have some preference from an
aesthetic thing from a golf course standard for a water hazard. I think some of it through
your subdivision might be real derogatory to have it open, that is just my observation. Any
other comments from the Council? Thank you Gene, anyone else from the public that
would like to offer testimony on this issue? Seeing none I will close that public hearing.
Council members, we need a motion to continue this to the second meeting in October if
that is your desire.
Morrow: So moved.
Tolsma: Second
Kingsford: Moved by Walt, second by Ron to continue the public hearing of the piping of
Eight Mile and Safford Laterals through Ashford Greens Subdivision to the second meeting
in October, which is the 17th of October, all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Corrie: Mr. Mayor, is it possible we can have our engineering department kind of check
that out a little bit too?
Kingsford: Gary, would you guys get your snorkels on and go out there and see what has
happened to that ditch.
Corrie: I would like to have some information before this comes back up. I am not doubting
Gene's word but I would just like to have some confirmation of what is going on here.
Kingsford: If we could, Gary, get some information a little earlier out of Nampa Meridian,
they have been coming through with those yes we will substantiate a 48 inch pipe ten
minutes we are to meet on it. If we can get that earlier. Counselor, that won't need to be
noticed again will since that is being continued?
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Crookston: That is correct, you did not continue the public hearing, so it would have to be
re-noticed.
Kingsford: Run that by me again?
Crookston: You did not continue the public hearing, so you don't have to re-notice it.
ITEM #6: PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR A VACATION OF A STREET EASEMENT
BY W.H. MOORE CO.:
Kingsford: At this time I will open that public hearing and invite the owner or his designee.
to speak first. Mr. Eddy.
Tom Eddy, 290 Maple Grove Road, Boise, was sworn by the City Attorney.
Eddy: In 1980 Meridian Business and Industrial Park was platted into 3 blocks. In 1995
Mr. Moore re-platted that into several smaller lots. There is a note #2 on the plat a portion
of that note reads East 5th Avenue, King Street and Baltic Place has a 5 foot wide street
easement on both sides of the 50 foot wide dedicated street right of way. In 1995 we re-
platted this and (inaudible) including Ada County Highway District and when it gets to Mr.
Preister the County Surveyor he is requesting that easement be vacated before he signs
the plat.
Kingsford: Any questions of Mr. Eddy? Thank you Tom, anyone else from the public that
would like to offer testimony on this issue? This is the property off of 5th Street and
Franklin Road, just north of Franklin. Seeing none I will close the public hearing, Council
members.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I would move that we grant the vacation for the street easement
requested by W.H.Moore Company.
Tolsma: Second
Kingsford: Moved by Walt, second by Ron to approve of the vacation of street easement
as requested by W. H. Moore Company, all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Kingsford: Counselor, you are giving me one of those looks, are you saying it needs
findings?
OFFICIALS
WILLIAM G. BERG, JR., City Clerk
JANICE L. GASS, City Treasurer
GARY D. SMITH, P.E. City Engineer
BRUCE D. STUART, Water Works Supt.
JOHN T. SHAWCROFT, Waste Water Supt.
KENNY W. BOWERS, Fire Chief
W.L. "BILL" GORDON, Police Chief
WAYNE G. CROOKSTON, JR., Attorney
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COUNCIL MEMBERS
RONALD R. TOLSMA
MAX YERRINGTON
ROBERT D. CORRIE
WALT W. MORROW
SHARI STILES
Planner 8 Zoning Administrator
JIM JOHNSON
Chairman -Planning 8 Zoning
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TRANSMITTAL TO AGENCIES FOR COMMENTS ON DEVELOPMEIY"I' PROJECTS
WITH THE CITY OF MERIDIAN
To insure that your comments and recommendations will be considered by the
Meridian City Council, please submit your comments and recommendations to
Meridian City Hall, Attn: Will Berg, City Clerk by: April 11. 1995
TRANSMITTAL DATE: 3/27/95 HEARING DATE: 4/18/95
REQUEST: Variance request for Ashford Greens Subdivision
BY: Brighton Corporation
LOCATION OF PROPERTY OR PROJECT: South of Ustick Road and East of Black
Cat Road
JIM JOHNSON, P2 MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT
MOE ALIDJANI, P2 MERIDIAN POST OFFICE(PRELIM & FINAL PLAT)
JIM SHEARER, P2 ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT
CHARLES ROUNTREE, P/Z ADA PLANNING ASSOCIATION
TIM HEPPER, P/Z CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH
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GRANT KINGSFORD, MAYOR NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION DISTRICT
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RONALD TOLSMA, C/C SETTLERS IRRIGATION DISTRICT
BOB CORRIE, C/C IDAHO POWER CO.(PRELIM 8~ FINAL PLAT)
WALT MORROW, C/C U.S. WEST(PRELIM & FINAL PLAT)
MAX YERRINGTON, C/C INTERMOUNTAIN GAS(PRELIM & FINAL PLAT)
WATER DEPARTMENT BUREAU OF RECLAMATION(PRELIM 8 FIiJAL PLAT}
SEWER DEPARTMENT CITY FILES
BUILDING DEPARTMENT
FIRE DEPARTMENT OTHER:
YOUR CONCISE REMARKS: Nampa & Meridian Irrigation
POLICE DEPARTMENT District feel that 48 inch pipe would be adeQUate
CITY ATTORNEY for either the Safford Lateral or the EiQhtmile
CITY ENGINEER Lateral The Safford Lateral runs approximately
CITY PLANNER 2 000 inch s of water the Ei htmile Lat ral runs
approximately 1,900 inches o f water. e ee t at inc pipe wou wor
a equate y or t ese ows.
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me.
Bill Henson, Assistant Water Superintendent
Nampa & Meridian Irrigation District t7r _wr~>r~ d~.'•~-~
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BRIGHTON CORPORATION
Brighton
Corporation
February 20, 1996
Mr. Will Berg
Ciry of Meridian
33 E. Idaho
Meridian, ID 83642
Facsimile: 887-4813
RE: Varianoe for Ashford Greens Subdivision
Dear Will:
REcE~vEp
FEB 2 0 1996
CITY OF MERIDIAN
PAGE 01
Per your conversation with Gene Smith of Hubble Engineering today, I ask that the
Variance Hearing for Ashford Greens Subdivision scheduled for tonight's City Council
hearing be tabled to March 19, 1996. I will be out of town on the March 5 hearing date. I
have also relayed this request to Councilman Walt Morrow via message on his answering
service. I am awaiting some information from Wayne Crookston which Walt asked me to
address prior to the hearing.
Sincerely,
G~~%~~
David W. Turnbull
DWTihs
12426 W. Explorer Drive, Suite 220 Boise, Idaho 83713 TEL 208-378-4000 FAX 208-377-8962
FEB 20 '96 14 55 12083??8962 PAGE.01
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the name changed to Morning Glory Subdivision 1 and 2.
Yerrington: Second
Kingsford: Moved by Walt, second by Max to approve the decision, all those in favor?
Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #3: TABLED OCTOBER 17, 1995: VARIANCE REQUEST FOR ASHFORD
GREENS SUBDIVISION BY BRIGHTON CORPORATION:
Kingsford: I believe w+e received a letter requesting that be tabled to February of 1996,
I believe the first meeting in February is February 6, entertain a motion to that effect.
Morrow. So moved
Corrie: Second
Kingsford: Moved by Walt, second by Bob to table the Ashford Greens Subdivision
variance to the February 6, 1996 meeting, all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #4: TABLED OCTOBER 17, 1995: ANNEXATION AND ZONING REQUEST FOR
HIGHLANDS RANCH SUBDIVISION BY GEM PARK II PARTNERSHIP:
Kingsford: Does the Council have questions on that?
Morrow. Mr. Mayor, we went through this on our last meeting with respect to the minutes
and the issue was at that point in time it was tabled because there was no major change
in the findings of fact from our October meeting which was to require and the applicant did
respond that he was in agreement with those findings of fact. There also was some
meetings that transpired with respect to the potential purchase of a school site but
contingent with bringing those, that annexation current it was also stated that there needed
to be plat work done and the plat needed to be brought along with it. The last I knew we
were waiting that information from the developer and/or his representative. My question
is do we have any of that information at this time?
Kingsford: Have we received the plat Shari?
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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING: NOVEMBER 8 1995
APPLICANT: BRIGHTON CORPORATION ITEM NUMBER; 3
REQUEST; TABLED OCTOBER 17 1995• VARIANCE REQUEST FOR ASHFORD GREENS SUBD
GA ENCY
CITY CLERK:
CITY ENGINEER:
CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR:
CITY ATTORNEY:
CITY POLICE DEPT:
CITY FIRE DEPT:
CITY BUILDING DEPT:
MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT:
MERIDIAN POST OFFICE:
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT:
ADA COUNTY STREET NAME COMMITTEE:
CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH:
NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION;
SETTLERS IRRIGATION:
IDAHO POWER:
US WEST:
INTERMOUNTAIN GAS:
BUREAU OF RECLAMATION:
COMMENTS
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Corporation
November 8, 1995
Mr. Will Berg
City of Meridian
33 E. Idaho
Meridian, ID 83642
RE: Ashford Greens Subdivision Variance Request
Dear Will:
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NOV- X1995
CITY ®~ M~~I®IN~d
As I discussed with you this morning, we request that the above referenced variance
request on the City Council's agenda tonight be tabled again. If you need to table it to a
date certain, we request a deferral to February of 1996. Our representative on this
application, Gene Smith of Hubble Engineering, is ill and confined to home at the present
time.
Sincerely,
David W. Turnbull
DWT/hs
12301 W. Explorer Drive, Suite 200 Boise, Idaho 83713 • TEL 208-378-4000 FAX 208-377-8962
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ERIDIAN ITY UNC L OCTOBER 17 1595
The regular meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order by Mayor Grant
Kingsford was called to order at 7:30 P.M.:
MEMBERS PRESENT: Walt Morrow, Max Yerrington, Bob Corrie, Ron Tolsma:
OTHERS PRESENT: Will Berg, Wayne Crookston, Gary Smith, Shari Stiles, Jim Johnson,
Chief Gordon, Jim Ballantyne, Glenn Bentley, Brandie Hazen, Jim Rogers, Betty
Bermensolo, Larry Strough, Joe Simunich, AI Bemer, Susan Berner, Robert Nelson, Brian
McCall, Larry Sales, Steve Bradbury, Doug Cambpell, Russ Keithly, Pam Rogers, Billy
Quinn, Judy Wilson, Russ Hunnemiller, Tim McFadden:
MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING HELD OCTOBER 3, 1995:
Kingsford: Any corrections, additions or deletions to those minutes?
Tolsma: Mr. Mayor I move they be approved as written.
Yerrington: Second
Kingsford: Moved by Ron, second by Max to approve the October 3, 1995 minutes, all
those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #1: TABLED APRIL 18, 1995: VARIANCE REQUEST FOR ASHFORD GREENS
SUBDIVISION BY BRIGHTON CORPORATION:
Kingsford: Does the Council have questions of staff?
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I believe there was a letter that was in our bins that requested this be
tabled until November 7, 1995.
Kingsford: Motion to that effect?
Morrow: So moved.
Tolsma: Second
Kingsford: Moved by Walt, second by Ron to table the Ashford Greens variance until the
November 7, 1995 meeting, all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
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Kingsford: The correct date for that meeting should be the 8th being election day. Notify
the applicant of that.
ITEM #2: TABLED AUGUST 15, 1995: ANNEXATION AND HEARING ZONING
REQUEST FOR 74 ACRES BY E.L. BEWS:
Kingsford: Likewise it asked to be deferred. until the December 5, 1995 meeting.
Morrow: So moved
Corrie: Second
Kingsford: Moved by Walt, second by Bob to defer the Bews annexation request until the
December 5, 1995 meeting, all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #3: TABLED AUGUST 15, 1995:
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR MIXED,
USES BY E.L. BEWS:
PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR A
PLANNED BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIAL
Kingsford: Entertain a motion to table that.
Yerrington: So moved.
Morrow: Second
Kingsford: Moved by Max, second by Walt to table the third item to the December 5, 1995
meeting, all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #4: TABLED OCTOBER 3, 1995: ANNEXATION AND ZONING REQUEST FOR
HIGHLANDS RANCH SUBDIVISION BY GEM PARK II PARTNERSHIP:
Kingsford: Does the Council have questions on that? Mr. Morrow?
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I have a question I guess with respect to the procedure for Highlands
Ranch. When we approved the findings of fact and conclusions in September, the decision
was essentially that the Meridian City Council hereby decides that the annexation and
zoning shall not proceed at this time but shall be tabled until October 3, 1995 that the
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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING: OCTOBER 17.1995
APPLICANT: BRIGHTON CORPORATION ITEM NUMBER; 1
REQUEST;TABLED APRIL 18.1995: VARIANCE REQUEST FOR ASHFORD GREENS SUBDMSION
AGENCY
CITY CLERK:
CITY ENGINEER:
CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR:
CITY ATTORNEY:
CITY POLICE DEPT:
CITY FIRE DEPT:
CITY BUILDING DEPT:
MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT:
MERIDIAN POST OFFICE:
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT:
ADA COUNTY STREET NAME COMMITTEE:
CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH:
NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION;
SETTLERS IRRIGATION:
IDAHO POWER:
US WEST:
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October 17, 1995
Mr. Will Berg
Meridian City Clerk
33 E. Idaho
Meridian, ID 83642
ItE: Ashford Greens Subdivision
Dear Will:
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Item No. 1 on tonight's City Council agenda is a variance request for the above referenced project.
As my client Brighton Corporation is unable to attend this meeting, they have requested deferral to
November 7, 1995.
Should this present a problem, please advise.
Sincerely,
Gene P. Smith, P.E
Senior Project Manager
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cc: Gary Smith, Meridian City Engineer
David 7~rnbull, Brighton Corporation
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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING: APRIL 18.1995
APPLICANT BRIGHTON CORPORATION ITEM NUMBER; 5
REQUEST; PUBLIC HEARING: VARIANCE REQUEST TO REQUIREMENT TO TILE THE EIGHT MILE
AND SAFFORD LATERALS
AGENCY COMMENTS
CITY CLERK:
CITY ENGINEER:
CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR:
CITY ATTORNEY:
CITY POLICE DEPT:
CITY FIRE DEPT:
CITY BUILDING DEPT:
MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT:
MERIDIAN POST OFFICE:
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT:
ADA COUNTY STREET NAME COMMITTEE:
CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH:
NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION;
SETTLERS IRRIGATION:
IDAHO POWER:
US WEST:
INTERMOUNTAIN GAS:
BUREAU OF RECLAMATION:
"REVIEWED"
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• HUB OF TREASURE VALLEY
COUNCIL MEMBERS
OFFICIALS A Good Place to Live RONALD R. TOLSMA
JAINICE LL GASS C tyT easureerk CITY OF MERIDIAN I
GARY D. SMITH, P.E. Clty Engineer WALT W. M
ORROW
BRUCE D. STUART, Water Works SuDt•
33 EAST IDAHO SHARt STILES
JOHN T. SHAWCROFT, waste water Supt. Planner 8 Zoning Administrator
KENNY W. BOWERS, Fire Chief IDAHO 83642
MERIDIAN
W.L. "BILL" GORDON, Police Chief ,
Phone (208) 888~d433 • FAX (208) 887-4813 JIM JOHNSON
Chairman • Planning & Zoning
WAYNE G. CROOKSTON, JR., Attorney Public Works/Building Department (208) 887-2211
GRANT P. KINGSFORD
Mayor
TRANSMITTAL TO AGENCIES FOR COMMENTS ON DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS
WITH THE CITY OF MERIDIAN
To insure that your comments and recommendations will be considered by the
Meridian City Council, please submit your comments and recommendations to
Meridian City Hall, Attn: Will Berg, City Clerk by: Aril 11. 1995
TRANSMITTAL DATE: 3/27/95 HEARING DATE: 4/18/95
REQUEST: Variance request for Ashford Greens Subdivision
BY: Brighton Corporation ---
LOCATION OF PROPERTY OR PROJECT: South of Ustick Road and East of Black
Cat Road
JIM JOHNSON, P2
MOE ALIDJANI, P2
JIM SHEARER, P2
CHARLES ROUNTREE, P2
TIM HEPPER, P/Z
GRANT KINGSFORD, MAYOR
RONALD TOLSMA, C/C
BOB CORRIE, C/C
WALT MORROW, C/C
MAX YERRINGTON, C/C
-WATER DEPARTMENT
-SEWER DEPARTMENT
-BUILDING DEPARTMENT
FIRE DEPARTMENT
POLICE DEPARTMENT
-CITY ATTORNEY
-CITY ENGINEER
CITY PLANNER
MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT
MERIDIAN POST OFFICE(PRELIM 8t FINAL PLAT)
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT
ADA PLANNING ASSOCIATION
CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH
NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION DISTRICT
SETTLERS IRRIGATION DISTRICT
IDAHO POWER CO.(PRELIM 8~ FINAL PLAT)
U.S. WEST(PRELIM 8t FINAL PLAT)
INTERMOUNTAIN GAS(PRELIM 8t FINAL PLAT)
BUREAU OF RECLA(1^AATION(PRELIM B~AL PLAT)
CITY FILES 1 ~ 1
YOUR CONCISE
VED
MAC 2 8 1995
CITY OF MERIDIAN
• HUB OF TREASURE VALLEY •
COUNCIL MEMBERS
OFFICIALS A Good Place to Live
RONALD R. TOLSMA
WILLIAM G. BERG, JR., City Clerk
JANICE L. GASS, City Treasurer
CITY OF MERIDI MAX YERRINGTON
ROBERT D. CORRIE
MORROW
WALT W
GARY D. SMITH, P.E. Clty Engineer .
SHARI STILES
BRUCE D. STUART, Water Works Supt.
SHAWCROFT, waste Water Supt.
JOHN T 33 EAST IDAHO Planner 8 Zoning Administrator
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KENNY W. BOWERS, Flre Chief MERIDIAN, IDAHO 83642 JIM JOHNSON
W.L. "BILL" GORDON, Police Chief phone (208) 888433 • FAX (208) 8874813 Chairman • Planning & Zoning
WAYNE G. CROOKSTON. JR., Attorney
Public Works/Building Department (208) 887-2211
GRANT P. KINGSFORD
Mayor
TRANSMITTAL TO AGENCIES FOR COMMENTS ON DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS
WITH THE CITY OF MERIDIAN
To insure that your comments and recommendations will be considered by the
Meridian City Council, please submit your comments and recommendations to
Meridian City Hall, Attn: Will Berg, City Clerk by: April 11 1995
TRANSMITTAL DATE: 3/27/95 HEARING DATE: 4/18/95
REQUEST: Variance request for Ashford Greens Subdivision
BY: Brighton Corporation
LOCATION OF PROPERTY OR PROJECT: South of Ustick Road and East of Black
Cat Ro d
JIM JOHNSON, P/Z
MOE ALIDJANI, P2
JIM SHEARER, P2
CHARLES ROUNTREE, P2
TIM HEPPER, P2
GRANT KINGSFORD, MAYOR
RONALD TOLSMA, C/C
BOB CORRIE, C/C
WALT MORROW, C/C
MAX YERRINGTON, C/C
WATER DEPARTMENT
SEWER DEPARTMENT
BUILDING DEPARTMENT
FIRE DEPARTMENT
POLICE DEPARTMENT
CITY ATTORNEY
CITY ENGINEER
CITY PLANNER
MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT
MERIDIAN POST OFFICE(PRELIM & FINAL PLAT)
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT
ADA PLANNING ASSOCIATION
CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH
NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION DISTRICT
SETTLERS IRRIGATION DISTRICT
IDAHO POWER CO.(PRELIM & FINAL PLAT)
U.S. WEST(PRELIM & FINAL PLAT)
INTERMOUNTAIN GAS(PRELIM & FINAL PLAT)
BUREAU OF RECLp,Mp,TION(PRELIM & FINAL PLAT)
CITY FILES -~ , ~ / _ /~
OTHER: -~ 7
YOUR CONCISE REMARKS:
CENTRAL
•• DISTRICT
PR'HEALTH
DEPARTMENT
REVIEW SHEET
Environmental Health Division ~{ECEIV~~Return to:
APR 0 61995
Rezone # L!~ Y ~ ~~` I~~KIUTA~',
Conditional Use #
Preli/minary /Final /Short Plat /
G/.~rf~c~ ~-s~f-one ~/Z~i~S ~C/ /r%/,Siu~
^ Boise
^ Eagle
^ Garden city
Meridian
^ Kuna
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^ I. We have Objections to this Proposal.
^ 2. We recommend Denial of this Proposal.
^ 3. Specific knowledge as to the exact type. of use must be provided before we can comment on this Proposal.
^ 4. We will require more data concerning soil conditions on this Proposal before we can comment.
^ 5. Before we can comment concerning individual sewage disposal, we will require more data concerning the depth of:
^ high seasonal ground water
^ solid lava from original grade
^ 6. We can Approve this Proposal for individual sewage disposal to be located above solid lava layers:
^ 2 feet
^ 4 feet
^ 7. After written approval from appropriate entities are submitted, we can approve this proposal for:
^ central sewage ^ community sewage system ^ community water well
^ interim sewage ^ central water
^ individual sewage ^ individual water
^ 8. The following plan(s) must be submitted to and approved by the Idaho Department of Health & Welfare,
Division of Environmental Quality:
^ central sewage ^ community sewage system ^ community water
^ sewage dry lines ^ central water
^ 9. Street Runoff is not to create a mosquito breeding problem.
^ I o. This Department would recommend deferral until high seasonal ground water can be determined if other
considerations indicate approval.
^ I I. If restroom facilities are to be installed, then a sewage system MUST be installed to meet Idaho State Sewage
Regulations.
^ 12. We will require plans be submitted for a plan review for any:
^ food establishment ^ swimming pools or spas ^ child care center
^ beverage establishment ^ grocery store
13. ~O ~~/'~I/~'l ~'/ • Date: /~~
Reviewed By:
CDND 10/91 rcb, rcr. I I/93 jll
** TX CONFIRM REPORT ** AS OF APR 14 ~ 0937 PAGE.01
CITY OF MERIDIAN
DATE TIME TO/FROM MODE MIN/SEC PGS CMD#1 STATUS
11 04/14 09 36 3780329 OF--S 00'42" 001 070 OK
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COUNCIL MEMBERS
RONALD R. TOISMA
MAX YERRINGTON
ROBERT 0. CORRIE
WAIT W.MORROW
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JIM JOHNSON
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TRANSMITTAL TO AGENCIES FOR COMMENTS ON DEVELOPNI1r;IV j PROJECTS
WITH THE CITY OF MERIDIAN
To insure that your comments and recommendations will be considered by the
Meridian City Council, please submit your comments and recommendations to
Meridian City Hall, Attn: Will Berg, City Clerk by: _®Qril 11. 199
TRANSMITTAL DATE: 3127195 HEARING DATE: 4J 8/95
REQUEST: Variance req~~est for Ashford Greens Subdivision
BY: Brighton Coroo tion
LOCATION OF PROPERTY OR PROJECT:, oath of Ustlcl~ Road nd East of Black
C o
JIM JOHNSON, P2 MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT
MOE ALIDJANI, P2 -,MERIDIAN POST OFFICE(PRELIM 8r FINAL PLAT)
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JIM SHEARER, P2 FDA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT
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CHARLES ROUNTREE, P2 l,~4DA PLANNING ASSOCIATION
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TIM HEPPFU2, P2 CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH
GRANT KINGSFORD, MAYOR X NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION DISTRICT
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RONALD TOLSMA, C/C SETTLERS IRRIGATION DISTRICT
BOB CORRIE, C/C IDAHO POWER CO.(PRELIM 8 FINAL PLAT)
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WALT MORROW, C/C U.S. WEST(PRELIM 8 FINAL PLAT)
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MAX YERRINGTON, C/C INTERMOUNTAIN GAS(PREUM & FlNAL PLAT)
WATER DEPARTMENT BUREAU OF RECLAMATION(PRELIM ~ FINAL PLAT)
~sEWER DEPARTMENT CITY FILES
`BUILDING DEPARTMENT
FIREDEPARTMENT OTHER:
YOUR CONCISE REMARKS: Nampa & Meridian Irrigation
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POLICE DEPARTMENT District feel that 48 inch pipe would be adequate
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CITY ATTORNEY for either the Safford Lateral or the Eirzhtmile
CITYENGINEER Lateral The Safford Lateral runs annroximat:ely
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CfTYPLANNER 2 000 inch f water the F.iAht_mil? La eral runs
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approximately ],900 inches o t: inc pipe would worK
f water.- a ee c~ia
lequately for these bows.
If you have any questions, please fee free to contact me.
pc: District Water Superintendent APR 1 0
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April 18, 1995
Mr. Will Berg
City of Meridian
33 East Idaho Street
Meridian, ID 83642
Re: Ashford Greens Development
Dear Will:
RECEIV I:U
APR 1 8 1995
(;~ ('~ Ut MCKWIA~
On behalf of the applicant, Brighton Corporation, I hereby
request deferral of the variance request to waive the requirement
to pipe the Eight Mile & Safford Laterals adjacent to the above
referenced project. Justification for this request is to provide
the applicant with additional time in order to further analyze
the impact on the development.
This request is made to defer action on this matter until further
notice by the applicant.
Should you have any questions or concerns, please call.
Sincerely,
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Gene P. Smith, P.E.
xc: David Turnbull, Brighton Corporation
HUB OF TREASURE VALLEY
COUNCIL MEMBERS
OFFICIALS A Good Place to Live
RONALD R. TOLSMA
WILLIAM G.BERG,JR.,CityClerk
JANICE L. GASS, City Treasurer CITY OF MERIDIAN W ATW
MORROW
GARY D. SMITH, P.E. City Engineer .
BRUCE D. STUART, Water Works Supt. 33 EAST IDAHO SHARI STILES
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KENNY W. 80WERS, Fire Chiet MERIDIAN, IDAHO 83642 JIM JOHNSON
W.L. "BILL" GORDON, Police Chief
Phone (208) 888-0433 • FAX (208) 887-4813
Chairman -Planning 8 Zoning
WAYNE G. CROOKSTON, JR., Attorney Public Works/Building Department (208) 887-2211
GRANT P. KINGSFORD
Mayor
TRANSMITTAL TO AGENCIES FOR COMMENTS ON DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS
WITH THE CITY OF MERIDIAN
To insure that your comments and recommendations will be considered by the
Meridian City Council, please submit your comments and recommendations to
Meridian City Hall, Attn: Will Berg, City Clerk by: Auril 11. 1995
TRANSMITTAL DATE: 3/27/95 HEARING DATE: 4118/95
REQUEST: Variance request for Ashford Greens Subdivision
BY: Brighton Coloration
LOCATION OF PROPERTY OR PROJECT: South of Ustick Road and East of Black
Cat Road
JIM JOHNSON, P2
MOE ALIDJANI, P2
JIM SHEARER, P2
CHARLES ROUNTREE, P2
TIM HEPPER, P/Z
GRANT KINGSFORD, MAYOR
RONALD TOLSMA, C/C
BOB CORRIE, C/C
WALT MORROW, C/C
MAX YERRINGTON, C/C
WATER DEPARTMENT
SEWER DEPARTMENT
BUILDING DEPARTMENT
FIRE DEPARTMENT
POLICE DEPARTMENT
CITY ATTORNEY
CITY ENGINEER
CITY PLANNER
MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT
MERIDIAN POST OFFICE(PRELIM 8t FINAL PLAT)
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT
ADA PLANNING ASSOCIATION
CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH
NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION DISTRICT
SETTLERS IRRIGATION DISTRICT
IDAHO POWER CO.(PRELIM 8t FINAL PLAT)
U.S. WEST(PRELIM ~ FINAL PLAT)
INTERMOUNTAIN GAS(PRELIM 8~ FINAL PLAT)
BUREAU OF RECLAMATION(PRELIM 8 FINAL PLAT)
CITY FILES
OTHER:
YOUR CONCISE REMARKS:
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APR 1 91985
CITY OF ~I~~tu~~.