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HomeMy WebLinkAbout94Feb01 CC Mtg MinsMeridian City Council February 1, 1994 Page 3 MOTION CARRIED: All yea Kingsford: Entertain a Marty Goldsmith. Yerrington: So moved Tolsma: Second Post-It'M brand f ro ax transmittal me ,o ~L~ ~ mo 7671 # of pages - ~ Z-~ From ~l~ - ~~~'~ Fax # like motion on the variance requ Kingsford: Moved by Max, second by Ron to approve the variance request by Marty Goldsmith based on the Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law. Roll Call Vote: .Yerrington: Yea, Corrie: Yea, Tolsma: Yea MOTION CARRIED: All yea ITEM #3: ORDINANCE #632: WEST SIDE BIBLE CHAPEL: Kingsford: An ordinance of the City of Meridian, annexing and zoning certain real property which is described as a portion of SE 1/4 of the SW 1/4 Section 5 T. 3N, R lE,. B.M., Ada County and providing for an effective date is there anyone from the audience that would like Ordinance #632 read in its entirety? Entertain a motion. Yerrington: Mr. Mayor, I make a motion that we approve Ordinance #632 with the suspension of the rules. Tolsma: Second Kingsford: Moved by Max, second by Ron to approve of Ordinance #632 with suspension of the rules. Roll Call Vote: Yerrington: Yea, Corrie: Yea, Tolsma: Yea MOTION CARRIED: All Yea ITEM #4: PRESENTATION: BRIGHTON CORPORATION PRESENTATION OF CHERRY LANE GOLF COURSE EXPANSION: Meridian City Council February 1, 1994 Page 4 Kingsford: Mr. Wardle Wardle: Mr. Mayor, members of the Council my name is Mike Wardle , I work for Hubble Engineering here representing the Brighton Corporation this evening. we are here only in an informal capacity, there has been no application submitted as yet, but we wanted to bring you up to date with respect to concept planning ,that has been underway for some time and ~to discuss some of the issues that will be coming to the Council in the near term. I believe Mr. Forrey has an item that will identify the parcel we are talking about is that portion of the, well it has been in the planning stage for many years and has been seen by the Council and the community before for the expansion of the Cherry Lane Golf Course for property under the ownership currently a portion of it owned by four which the Brighton Corporation is nearing conclusion of their purchase. A portion of the land that is owned by Brighton Corporation is referred to as the Thomas property and then some land currently owned by Kent Barney that there has been some concept work done on, but it is in substantial compliance with earlier concepts. Perhaps, again just for reference we are on Black Cat Road the area lying somewhat north of Cherry Lane and just south of Ustick Road. So perhaps I could use the easel on the side to, it will be hard for a lot of people to see this. I had not anticipated such a full house and so our graphics are a bit on the small side. Again, for visual reference this is a photograph was taken last year. Some of the later phases of the existing subdivision just underway at that point. The existing Golf Course, Cherry Lane, Black Cat Road, Ustick Road and so the so called Fuller parcel, the Thomas parcel and then the Barney parcel over here comprising the area for the future expansion of the Golf Course and a residential subdivision project associated with that. Can the Council members see this? This particular drawing is of a scale of 1 to 200 feet and again orientation of Black Cat Road. I want to stress the fact that it is a concept, we have not yet drawn a preliminary plat for submittal to the City. We are beginning to do work on that. The ideas put forth were conceived by Dave Pew, working under the name of Resort Planning International working out of McCall Idaho, he has done a fair amount of golf course work in the area and a great deal out of the area. We have been through a process to go on site and look over the existing golf course and the layout some of the constraints and Meridian City Council February 1, 1994 Page 5 the challenges that are associated with that. We did that with a number of City officials, we wanted to get a feel for the existing , play and lay of the golf course so that we could work with some of the issues or some of the constraints and yet maintain character and identity between both elements of the golf course, the front nine and the back nine. What we are proposing to bring to the City in the near term involves 3 elements, the golf course being the primary element, yellow identifies single family and then an area whether it is in this location or some other reasonably central location for what we deem right now as multi-family. The character of that could be cluster housing, it could be town house, it could be condominium, that decision has not been made and at this point it is just an amount of land set aside for that purpose. The golf course as it is layed out constitutes about 64 acres which is substantially more than what was conceived in some of the earlier plans. I donut know the precise acreage that were on some of those earlier documents my recollection it was in the 35 to 40 acre range which was a small, it was a very limited amount of property for the nine whole course. On this particular parcel as depicted, along with the 64 acres of golf there would be 394 single family dwelling lots of a consistent size and character with the surrounding area. There would also be in this so called multi-family area up to perhaps 35 to 40 units and again whether they would be town homes, condos or apartments is as yet undecided. Features of the golf course itself as laced out the course would have a yardage of 3360 would be par 36. I believe the existing course is about 3150 yards so we would be improving the length in this by several hundred yards. We do involve water features throughout and there are some reasons for that. Number 1 it does I believe, I have been told that water helps focus play, I donut necessarily agree with that because I usually contribute the range balls in those but it still is for the golfer that knows how to play the course, it does focus the play and provides some interest. In part, the ponds do 2 other things, they also provide material for shaping what is otherwise a very flat site. And they also provide in some cases, could take care of some of the surface run off which would have to be retained on the site largely with the exception to that which might be taken into the Rutledege Drain. I want to stress the fact that on the Barney parcel, which Barney Corporation does not own, that the course layout is substantially Meridian City Council February 1, 1994 Page 6 the same as it was proposed. There is not much that can be done in as much as the layout of the earlier subdivision phase provided for that floral course and pretty much dictates. how it goes to the easterly portion and then would wrap around and return to the Fuller parcel. Some of the changes over the character of the existing nine holes would be slightly wider fairways, landing areas approximately 100 yards wide, slightly wider that would allow a four some .that the current course does not it would influence some of the play. Its a bit more open in some respects and does feature the water again as a focus point as well as an interest point. And perhaps in some respects the greens are a bit tight on the other nine and a little bit more open on this closed nine. The intent is not to change the character of the course substantially it was to come up with a facility that is up to date and modern which still plays very much the same but with some change and some feature character differences. The Eight Mile Lateral that bisects the property currently essentially would be retaining that character and coming through the golf course area so it would be usable as part of the amenity feature through some improvements and enhancement particularly through the water facility. One of the other elements is that the existing driving range would be enlarged and become a 300 yard facility which I believe is substantially more than what it is currently, I donut recall what it is exactly. It is deeper than current. The character of the course itself does several things with respect to the neighborhood element which would be the residential portion. Number 1 you cannot avoid the number of crossings, there are 3 crossings that would necessitate some care and consideration when the traffic features are considered, but we have to do that there is no way to get around it. On the otherhand it also, in order to avoid too many crossings and confining the entire parcel means that there are some culdesac elements in the property that are longer than current Meridian City standards. I believe we have a 400 foot constraint currently, we would be coming with our proposal to specifically address those issues other than to have everything connected and totally chop the course area up and some of the visual elements of it. It would be necessary to come and request a waiver of those requirements. The other key access relative to a new front door we are proposing Black Cat Road being the primary entrance and access to the club house area. Currently the club house sits in this location, a new Meridian City Council February 1, 1994 Page 7 facility would be built is proposed to be built in this vicinity. It would still provide access from the current subdivision area but not in a direct route. The intent of this is to make certain that those within the existing community that are golfers can get to the club house but to encourage those that are not within that residential community to utilize the arterial and collector system to come to Black Cat Road and make the entrance into a very formal setting into the heart of that project. Similarly, coming out of the other existing subdivision phases there are ties to existing ,streets, so we have a looping system around, we have some interconnects internally but primarily it is intended to stand as a community surrounding the golf course with visual access from Black Cat Road but emphasizing the importance of this golf course facility as part of that residential community and Meridian as a whole. One other component of consideration is the fact that the amount of land being set aside for golf substantially more as I noted than what we originally conceived and yet not as much frankly as you would in a full size course, current modern standards it does take away the fair amount of land that had originally been intended for residential. And as a result one of the other elements that would be considered in coming to the Council would be consideration of density transfers to other area projects that off- set some of the land that occasion for the golf purposes. That is a planning issue that I know will have to be specifically discussed and addressed by Council in concert with the approval of this project. Utility consideration involve construction of a lift station in harmony with the sewer plan. We would be proposing to construct that lift station on Black Cat Road with a pressure system back to the existing sewer that runs along the eastern boundary of the Barney parcel at this point would go into the street system back to that location. Our investigation of the sewer alignment currently suggests that there would have to a relocation of a portion of that sewer line, right now it would conflict with the lay of these lots. It is apparently to close to the easterly boundary of the Barney parcel to provide for housing so I would have to verify that and make provisions for possibly re- locating portions of that sewer line. So, the pressure sewer from that point we would be implementing that portion of the facility plan for what .appears to be a 30 inch of greater line in Black Cat Road as the beginning of the particular system component Meridian City Council February 1, 1994 Page 8 are several points of contact with the water system currently that system would be expanded and looped through this project so that we would continue to bring that system through this project and, provide the necessary domestic fire. I think those are the key components at this point, I'm going to ask Mr. Turnbull of Brighton Corporation if you have any particular additions perhaps to the elements that I have discussed. Any questions, Mr, Mayor, members of the Council concerning the concept at this point? Kingsford: Mike, have you talked with Gary Smith about that sewer alignment and hooking back into that? Wardle: Only in the meeting we had several weeks ago, where that possibility was discussed we have not because no design work has been undertaken. All we have done is to locate and verify that the sewer line is down that easterly line and one of the benefits in going to that particular alignment would be not having to go out and secure other easements around either Ustick Road or Black Cat but to utilize that line that is currently there. But, again, no specifics. Kingsford: Does Council have any other questions for Mr. Wardle? Thank you. Crookston: That white area up to the, right there, what is you intention in that area? Wardle: That actually is an existing plat of .undeveloped land, so it is a phase of an earlier subdivision that made provision for the golf access, but the is the extent of it. Turnbull: Mr. Mayor, members of the Council, I'd just like to take a minute to express my appreciation. The City has been, we have been working on this for quite some time and the Mayor and wally have been helpful and helping us to understand the issues out here and helping us to get a better feel for what the course should be and we have been in eh process quite sometime and have gotten outside consultants who are familiar with golf course design so we produce a top quality project. When we were looking in the area for a project to do we determined that we wanted to do something that would be of a substantial nature, not only a benefit to the Meridian City Council February 1, 1994 Page 9 community and something that could be something of a marquis project. As Mike mentioned I think the original acreage designated for the course was in the neighborhood of 35 .acres we are now up to 64 acres which is an increase of 60 to 70~ which I think will ultimately be of a great benefit to the community for the golf course play and there will probably be less patio windows too. The fairways are about 50~ wider than the original design. I noticed Mr. Barney, Ken has been great to work on this. Like I said we have been working with Ken and we hope to be able to come before the Council with a complete package on this project although we will be meeting later on this week. We will be back to the Council shortly with the proposal for this project. I just want to again express our appreciation to the City for the helpful manner that they have been really helpful and given us a hand in designing this project and I think it will be a benefit to all. Thank you very much. Kingsford: Mr. Forrey, do you have a comment? Forrey: Thank you Mayor, members of the Council, Mike Wardle is correct, in the 1978 Comprehensive Plan of the City and also in our current 1993 Comprehensive Plan we have policies regarding density transfer. To my knowledge we have never had anyone take advantage of that, its when a developer donates land to the schools, parks, golf course, etc. I think a development agreement could specify the details. Also, looking at this file, my thinking at this point is that the Cherry Lane project has been evaluated so many times and its concept I donut really believe the developers would be required to go back to a preliminary plat hearing. I think that staff review, City Council, Planning & Zoning review in house with a negotiated development agreement pertaining to the amount of acreage to the City and all of those details in that format and then proceeding to the Final Plat I think has phases. The way I read back in some minutes and some prior approvals. That might help expedite some progress here for the developers but it does take preliminary and help and move that forward. Kingsford: I think probably its, you know having an audience of this size and so that there are not illusions while the developer, and we appreciate greatly that he has done this design and is .~ iV A Meridian City Council February 1, 1994 Page 10 donating this land well in excess of what we had talked about. I think it would be a mis-conception that the developer is going to develop the golf course, that has not been the case. when we have been discussing it, this would be something that the City will do, but we plan to do no expense tax-payer wise. We have an agreement with the developer that there will be a lot fee attached to each of those lots that the City will be a recipient of to do that development. Initially we hope to do some of the same kinds of things that Centennial Golf Course did in Nampa with regard to donations, volunteer labor, in time materials that sort of thing. It is our intent that is doesn~t cost the tax-payers any money and I'm sure the tax-payers will be glad to sit in and see that we don't. I didn~t want to cast the illusion that the developer is going to give us a finished product that is not the intent. Mr. Lovin, do you have anything you~d like to ask being the lessee about there? Kent did you have anything that you wanted to comment on? Well, I thank you all on the update, we appreciate that and hope that it moves along post haste. ITEM #5: JIM BONNER: COMPLAINT CONCERNING INSURANCE DECISION OF COVERAGE: Kingsford: Mr. Bonner come forward and address the Council. Bonner: City Council members, Mayor Kingsford my name is Jim Bonner. I will try to be precise and not take too much of your time. I think the best way for me to handle my problem is to just tell you what happened and you can at that time take it under advisement of whatever you think is best. I think that I'm appealing to your better judgement and to your public relations necessities of the City and what happens from here on out in regards to problems I have. It was some time in November, Will Berg the City Clerk has all the dates and everything but I don't think they are as important as what happened in itself individually. I was attempting to enter a parking lot of a business on Bower Street called Pro Lign which is a chemical retail business. It was about 7:30 in the morning and thinking that it was probably open I go over there noticing that it was closed I turned around and drove out and as I did I ran past a pole sticking up out of the ground, Ism not sure how high by less than 3 feet