HomeMy WebLinkAbout2001 03-06Meridian City Council Meeting Tuesday, March 6, 2001
The regularly scheduled meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order by Mayor Robert Corrie on Tuesday, March 6, 2001 at 6:35pm.
Members Present: Tammy de Weerd, Cherie McCandless, Ron Anderson, Keith Bird, Mayor Robert D. Corrie.
Others Present: Bill Nichols, Shari Stiles, Gary Smith, Bill Gordon, Ken Bowers, Will Berg.
Item 1. Roll-call Attendance:
X Tammy de Weerd X Ron Anderson
X Cherie McCandless X Keith Bird
X Mayor Robert Corrie
Corrie: I want to thank everybody for being here this evening there are going to be some changes that have come across the desk this evening. First off, we are starting now a sign-up
sheet in the back. If you want to testify either for or against any Public Hearing item be sure to sign up so that we can make sure that we have you on record, and it also helps us when
we do our minutes that we get the name right. If you will sign up back there, then we will pick that up in the next few minutes.
Item 2. Adoption of the Agenda:
Corrie: We do have some requests on the agenda. One will be Item 13, which is a continued Public Hearing on the Linder Crossing, that is at Linder Road and Cherry Lane. That has been
requested that we table that until July 3, 2001 by the developer. And also Item 16, which is a request for a variance to exceed by Ameritel Inn, they wanted the CUP and the variance
all at one time. So we will be doing that and noticing it, we will continue this until March 20, 2001. They want to continue that until March 20, 2001. Is there any other --?
Bird: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Bird.
Bird: On the Consent Agenda, Item 3A, they would like some discussion on that so we need to pull it off of the Consent and move it down to 5A on the regular agenda.
Corrie: Okay, 5A on the regular agenda. Any thing else?
Bird: I have none.
De Weerd: Mr. Mayor, Item 7 was discussed as to table until March 13, 2001 for discussion.
Corrie: Okay, March 13, 2001, Item 7 for discussion on the resolution on the Meridian Urban Renewal Area.
Nichols: Mr. Mayor. Point of order. Since the 13th is a workshop, you should probably table this to the 20th. You can still take it up as a workshop item on the 13th.
Corrie: That was number 7, we will table that until the meeting on the 20th and we will have that as a workshop item on the 13th. Anything else Council on the adoption of the agenda
as revised?
Bird: I have none.
Corrie: Then I will entertain a motion for the adoption of the agenda as corrected.
Bird: So moved.
Anderson: Second.
Corrie: Motion made and seconded to adopt the agenda as corrected. Any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor of the motion say aye.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Item 3. Consent Agenda:
A. Tabled from February 20, 2001: Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law: CUP 99-039 Request for Conditional Use Permit for planned unit development including continuing care retirement
community, single- and multi-family residential and office and retail use by Touchmark Living Centers – Joseph A. Billig – east of St. Luke's between Franklin Road and Interstate 84:
B. Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law for Approval: CUP 00-058 Request for Conditional Use Permit for a child-care center for 24 children in an R-15 zone for proposed ABC Club
Daycare and Preschool by Janet Torgenson – 650 West Broadway:
C. Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law for Approval: RZ 00-010 Request to rezone 8.88 acres from an R-4 zone to an L-O zone for proposed St. Alphonsus Regional Medical Center
Ambulatory Care Center by BRS Architects – southeast corner of Cherry Lane and Ten Mile Road:
D. Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law for Approval: CUP 00-056 Request for Conditional Use Permit for a planned-unit development in a proposed L-O zone for proposed St. Alphonsus
Regional Medical Center Ambulatory Care Center by BRS Architects – southeast corner of Cherry Lane and Ten Mile Road:
E. Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law for Approval: PP 00-021 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 5 building lots on 6.95 acres for proposed Mallane Commercial Complex by
The Land Group – northwest corner of Fairview Avenue and North Hickory Way:
F. Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law for Approval: CUP 00-049 Request for Conditional Use Permit to construct a branch bank with drive-thru teller in an L-O zone by Mountain
West Bank – Magic View Office Complex:
G. Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law for Approval: VAR 01-003 Variance request for a time extension for recordation of Final Plat for Merchants Plaza Subdivision by Wild Shamrock,
LLP – east of Meridian Road, south of Gem Street:
H. Approve Bills:
Corrie: We have a request to have Item A taken off of the Consent Agenda and put on item 5 as the A item. Is there any other needs to change on the Consent Agenda?
Bird: I do not believe so.
Corrie: Hearing none, I will entertain a motion to approve the Consent Agenda with Item A taken off to be on Item 5.
McCandless: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mrs. McCandless.
McCandless: I move that we approve the Consent Agenda with the exception of Item A that has been moved to the regular agenda 5A.
Bird: Second.
Corrie: Motion made and seconded to approve the Consent Agenda except for Item A which will be taken off of the Consent Agenda and placed on Item 5A. Any further discussion? Hearing
none, a roll call vote Mr. Clerk.
Roll-call: De Weerd, aye; Anderson, aye; McCandless, aye; Bird, aye.
Corrie: All ayes the motion has been carried.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Item 4. Department Reports:
A. Public Works Department – Director Gary Smith:
1. Inspectors’ Fees and Contracts:
Smith: Thank you Mr. Mayor and Members of Council. I walked out and left my packet on my desk for the contractors contract inspectors discussion items. I do not know what you have
in your packet from what I previously submitted to you.
Bird: We have the existing contracts.
Corrie: We have all of those contracts.
Smith: I guess at this point in order to get the contracts renewed for this fiscal year you could move forward and approve them as they were approved last year with only the effective
dates being changed. Any changes that we would make to the contract if you so decide when I get all of my rocks in row and get that information to you can still be done under the terms
of this contract.
Bird: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I believe that we should get these approved and like Gary said we can amend it after the fact if we so desire. They have been working without a contract since October 1, 2000.
I would think that we should get these existing contracts approved, and then we can add amendments to them if we see fit.
Corrie: Okay.
Anderson: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Anderson.
Anderson: I would also agree. This contract would only be for the remaining 7 months of this year anyway, and I doubt we would do anything until we moved into the new budget year.
If we decide to do something different anyway, so I would also agree that we probably ought to go ahead and renew these.
Corrie: Okay. Any other discussion?
De Weerd: No, it looks like all of them have been signed by the contractors so they are in agreement with it.
Smith: Yes they are.
Bird: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I would move that we approve the contracts from October 1, 2000 to October 1, 2001 with Daunt Whitman, Rod Medley, Lynn Hoover, and Harold Hudson as our building, mechanical, plumbing,
and electrical inspectors and for the Mayor to sign and the Clerk to attest.
Anderson: Second.
Corrie: Motion made and seconded to have the inspector’s fees and contracts be approved and the Mayor to sign and the Clerk to attest all of the three contractors. Any further discussion?
Hearing none, all those in favor of the motion say aye.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
2. Sewer and Water Easements for Bear Creek Subdivision No. 1:
Smith: The second item I have is your review and approval of sewer and water easements from the Bear Creek Subdivision developers to the City of Meridian. These easements are all temporary.
They are set up to allow the sewer and water lines to be extended beyond the boundaries of the plat that is being submitted for Bear Creek No. 1 and typically they are in stub streets.
At the time that the second phase or the next phase of Bear Creek is developed, these stub streets will be extended. This will allow the city in the mean time to access the ends of these
lines and also at the time that their stub streets are extended it will allow the contractor to get a hold of these lines without disrupting the pavement that has been installed up to
the phase line. So they are just temporary in nature until such time that the streets are extended, at that point in time then the easements go away. Do you have any questions on it?
There is a little map in the
back of it that kind of shows where these easements are at the ends of each one of the stub streets.
Anderson: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Anderson.
Anderson: I just had a question, Gary. Why is this different than any other subdivision that is developed in phases? We have never needed easements for those that I remember.
Smith: There is not any dedication right now when they extend the sewer lines beyond the boundaries of the subdivision. I guess we are kind of picking up some pieces that have fallen
through the cracks on previous subdivisions and making sure that the city has access to those lines beyond the boundaries of the subdivision. In this case, there are two owners involved,
the developers of Bear Creek are involved in part of these easements and then the original landowner is involved in part of them, because they have not deeded that land over to the developer
yet, apparently. So we are just trying to make sure formally that we have access to the ends of those lines without getting into a trespass situation if we had to access the ends. Typically,
on water lines there will be a blow-off valve or a blow-off device at the end of those lines. Sewer lines, it kind of depends, but generally there will be a little stand pipe that will
come up to the service for a clean out if needed.
Anderson: So is this something we would expect to see in the future. I get where you are saying the only time we are dealing with two separate landowners. If that land is still owned
by the same developer, we will not do this.
Smith: No, we would be doing it on all developments just to make sure that we have access to those lines.
Anderson: Okay. Thank you.
Bird: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I would like Mr. Nichols to state I believe that we probably have to pass both of these separately. Because we are dealing with two entities if Mr. Nichols would respond.
Nichols: Mr. Mayor and Members of Council you can approve these together since they are on one project as long as the motion mentions both of them just they way that you approved all
of those contracts on the building inspectors, but
they both need to be referenced in the motion since the pertain to the same project.
Corrie: Any further discussion or questions from the Council?
Bird: I have none.
Bird: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Okay, hearing none, Mr. Bird.
Bird: I would move that we approve the temporary sanitary sewer line and water main easements with Bear Creek LLC and Queensland Acres Incorporated and for the Mayor to sign and the
Clerk to attest.
Anderson: Second.
Corrie: Motion made and seconded to approve the sewer and water easements to Bear Creek subdivision with Queensland Acres Inc. and also Bear Creek LLC. Any further discussion? Hearing
none, a roll call vote Mr. Clerk.
Roll-call: De Weerd, aye; Anderson, aye; McCandless, aye; Bird, aye.
Corrie: Okay, all ayes. Motion is carried.
Smith: Thank you Mayor. Thank you Council.
B. Planning and Zoning Department – Shari Stiles:
Proposed Changes to the Area of Impact:
Stiles: Mr. Mayor and Members of Council I did not want to go into lengthy discussion on these tonight, but wanted to make you aware of these requests that are being presented to Ada
County and through Boise City. I will answer any questions you have about them. One is the Winston Moore property that was discussed at the last meeting, the 12 acres that they would
like to be put into the city of Meridian Area of Impact, and I believe we are still waiting for a report on the 20th regarding the serviceability of that addition. The one that is shown
as in Muir Woods subdivision, this property that they are proposing to go to Boise City has already been platted. The homes are built. There is a provision in our Area of Impact Agreement
that said whenever a property is split by two Areas of Impact the property can develop where the larger portion of the property is located as long as the depth of the other parcel does
not exceed 300ft. When they developed this Muir Woods subdivision, they did come before the city requesting that Area of Impact be changed. The City Council made the decision to deny
their request so what happened was they only developed the 300ft depth and
then have a remnant piece that is virtually useless to anybody. So they kind of just worked around what this county requires in order to get it developed in Boise City. They are proposing
a transfer of that area of the south, which is part of an existing subdivision. I do not know if that is sewerable. That would be something else that we would need to look at. The location
No. 4 is where Boise Ranch Golf Course is. That is in our referral area currently, and they have an existing subdivision out there. They are proposing approximately 7 lots that would
be included in Boise’s Area of Impact. This is probably an issue maybe that Bill Nichols and I need to get together on and be able to present some better information to you. Perhaps
at the workshop and we also need to look at the process we are going to go through for these changes to the Area of Impact and how that will impact our Comprehensive Plan changes if
it does at all. I know that Commissioner Kingsford had called Will and wanted to kind of get your general idea on these suggested changes. I am not asking for an actual decision at this
time, but I wondered if you had any questions or had any input on how you feel one way or the other if it is something that you want to keep looking at and bring up at the next meeting.
Bird: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I would like to see this on our planning session workshop next Tuesday if it would be okay with Shari and Mr. Nichols could get something together for us. I think this is something
we need to think on and look at.
Corrie: It is the 13th?
Bird: Yes.
Anderson: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Anderson.
Anderson: I guess just to give you a little indication of what I am thinking Shari is that I really do not have any problems with the proposed changes in those areas. The problem that
I have is with the one piece of property and the letter of intent to serve. I have some questions on that. That is my reservation at this point.
Shari: Okay. Thank you.
Corrie: Shari, if this goes through is there a change that is going to cause our Comprehensive Plan that we cannot change it? Or if change it it is going to put a time restriction
on later changes?
Stiles: That is what Bill and I need to get together with and discussion and make sure that is not going to have any impact on that.
Corrie: Then what I am hearing is the Council wants to put that on the workshop agenda as well as the 20th to come back here.
Stiles: Thank you.
Corrie: Thank you, Shari.
C. Mayor’s Department - Mayor Corrie:
1. Appointment of Planning and Zoning Commissioner:
Corrie: To the Council I have two, one appointment and one reappointment. The reappointment for Keith Borup his time is up on his first term, and I needed to ask the Council to continue
his term for another term. Then also Mr. Hatcher is resigning from the Planning and Zoning, and I have brought the name Kevin T. Schreeve to be placed in that position. He is an engineering
you have the bio there in front of you, so you have any questions. They have to entertain them at this time.
Anderson: Is he in the audience tonight?
Corrie: I do not think Steve is here tonight. He had another meeting he said he had to go to, an engineering meeting. Keith Borup is not here either. He had another one too. But he
did his consent that he would like to be engineered.
Anderson: That is good. I would hate to force him too unwillingly.
Corrie: No. He has a Civil Engineering degree and a master’s degree in Civil Engineering as well. He has served on other boards of such improvement and development boards. Any other
questions?
De Weerd: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd.
De Weerd: Just a comment, Kevin is currently serving on the Pathways Committee. Once we chose the commission members for the Parks Commission, Mr. Schreeve has put in his letter of interest
for both commissions. He wanted to get involved in the community and to serve to help improve the community that he lives in. Once we chose those commissioners, I did call him and invite
him to serve on the Pathway Committee, and he got on there and immediately had a major impact helping with the mapping and that sort of thing. He is very diligent. He follows through
very well, and he has certainly been an asset on that
Committee. That is the only small bit of knowledge that I have of him. He really is energetic and follows through with his commitments.
Corrie: Thank you.
De Weerd: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd.
De Weerd: I would move that we accept the reappointment of Keith Borup and the appointment of Kevin Schreeve for the Planning and Zoning commission.
Bird: Second.
Corrie: Motion made and seconded to reappoint Keith Borup to the Planning and Zoning and also to appoint Kevin Schreeve as a new commissioner. Any further discussion? All those in
favor of the motion say aye.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Item 5. (Items moved from Consent Agenda)
A. Tabled from February 20, 2001: Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law: CUP 99-039 Request for Conditional Use Permit for planned unit development including continuing care retirement
community, single- and multi-family residential and office and retail use by Touchmark Living Centers – Joseph A. Billig – east of St. Luke's between Franklin Road and Interstate 84:
Corrie: Since that was moved to the agenda 5A, Council discussion? This is not a Public Hearing.
Nichols: Mr. Mayor and Members of Council you will recall that we were waiting on Touchmark to sign the Development Agreement and some other issues. Touchmark was working on some things.
We had a meeting with staff, specifically Gary Smith and myself meet with the engineers for Touchmark and the attorney for Touchmark on the Development Agreement issue. One of the things
that is in the Development Agreement is if the developer wants to institute a phasing plan on construction of the development that has to be done through an addendum or amendment to
the Development Agreement. So we have been waiting on a phasing plan and Richard Cook from Briggs Engineering has the phasing plan to at least deliver to Mr. Smith. If you want to ask
him some questions even though it is not a Public Hearing, it is not impermissible to have him show you what this is. Under the circumstances I do not think we have to have a Public
Hearing on an amendment to the Development Agreement with regard to phasing plan only. That is what he is here for, and it is actually my
request that they have somebody here because we have been tabling this off and on for several months. And I know the Council wanted to get this moving. So I told Mr. Cook this afternoon
it would a great benefit if he could at least be here to answer any questions you might have about where they are at in their process so that we can finish up our part of it. Then they
can proceed with their development.
Corrie: With that legal opinion, Mr. Cook step forward and welcome.
Cook: Mr. Mayor and Members of Council my name is Richard Cook, Briggs Engineering, 1800 West Overland Road, Boise. For those of you who have not met me yet, I have been with Briggs
for just about a year now and prior to that I was with Boise City Planning for 12 years. Now I am in the private sector and having all kinds of fun. I do not know what questions I will
be able to answer for you tonight about this project. It has been going on for a couple of years as you know, and I jumped into this project mid-stream, but we do have a phasing plan
that is hot off of the presses. I think we are getting real close now to being able to move forward and request a final approval from the Council on this.
Anderson: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Anderson.
Anderson: I guess we have been waiting on the Development Agreement and maybe we could hear something about the phasing plan and what that is.
Corrie: Do you care to show the phasing plan?
Cook: I have copies of the phasing plan. Staff has not even had a chance to look at this. I just pulled them off of the printer about 1-½ hours ago. One of the things that we are doing
in this phasing plan; it has been revised since the initial application was submitted.
Corrie: Mr. Cook could you set it over there so the audience can see it. Then we can kind of move that around and you can take that microphone with you.
Cook: As I understand it since we first submitted this application the phasing plan has changed a little bit, and what we are requesting is that we be allowed to change the phasing plan
taking this section out. It did go from here over to this area in here. This was all phase one initially. What they would like to do now is cut that out and include this area in phase
one and the addition of this area that is crosshatched on your phasing plans that I handed out. By doing this it will allow us to incorporate a small park as part of the first phase
and the number of units in the first phase, what we are trading out. We had 20 and this will be 23 so there is an additional 3 units involved in the first phase than what we had before.
The first phase will also include the public street coming in off of Franklin Road
and that public street will terminate at this location and then it will be a private street from here on down. It will incorporate also this looped area that you see here. Part of it
will be a construction road that comes in along the west boundary of the property and this hatching that you see here is the road that will be utilized for construction. I am not sure
but I think this box down here in the left-hand corner, I am not certain what is going on there, but I believe they are probably going to utilize that as a lay-down area for construction
materials at this point. I am not exactly certain what is going on there. By doing the public road, it will allow us to start laying in utilities as well. If I can answer any questions
for you I would appreciate it. I will sure try.
Anderson: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Anderson.
Anderson: I noticed looking at this map that phase 2 is kind of in pieces that are just kind of strung around this deal. I guess I have not ever seen a phasing process where it works
kind of like that where they pick parcels at will and plop them around there. Usually it works from one area across the property there, so I am kind of curious when you say phase 2,
I mean there are 4 separate areas, are those all going to start at one time and be completed, or what is the idea there with phase 2?
Cook: Council member Anderson that is correct. If you will look at this phase 1, all of the phase 1 property and all of the phase 2 pieces are all adjacent to one another. So as we go
from phase 1 into phase 2, it will fill in. Phase 2 will be completed before we get into phase 3, phase 4, and then phase 5.
Anderson: And what is your time frame for the completion on these different phases?
Cook: That I do not know.
Anderson: I guess one of concerns is that even in the testimonies that we heard is the subdivision off to the west of this property with Monteview was concerned about having secondary
access to Franklin Road. That stub street that ties in on your main road, I guess that is something that I would have liked to have seen in a phase 1 development so that we could provide
that relief a little bit earlier. Is that a possibility that that could be incorporated into phase 1?
Cook: Mr. Mayor, Councilman Anderson that is certainly something that we can take a look at. I do not see at this point what the problem would be for making this connection early on.
De Weerd: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd.
De Weerd: I would agree with that too. That was one of the issues of concern, was that access road. Now, with this phasing nothing is changing in your design, is that correct?
Cook: That is correct Council member de Weerd. The layout is basically the same. We have pulled things a little bit further to the north off of the I-84 area to allow enough room for
the berm that we have to put in here, and also to allow for the easement for the irrigation. Other than that things are the same as they have been, same number of units and so on.
De Weerd: Well, we thank you for coming. We have seen this for over a year now, and it is nice to know that is still going forward.
Cook: It is still going forward. We apologize for the length of time that it is taking. It is just one of those nightmares that we deal with in a project this size. One of the things
that we wanted to do also was take care of some property boundary adjustments through Ada County before it was annexed into the city just to simplify that end of it a little bit. That
has finally been taken care of as well, so we are moving forward. Thank you.
Corrie: Any other questions, Council?
Bird: I have none.
Corrie: Thank you.
Bird: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I believe that this new phasing and stuff we need to get Mr. Nichols and Mr. Smith to get together and put an amendment to the Development Agreement or write a new development
Agreement, whatever we have to do, and present it back to us so at this point I do not believe that we have anything to enact upon regarding this. So I would table this until April 3,
2001 with the Council’s permission.
Anderson: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Anderson.
Anderson: This is just a question on clarification then. If I understand the process right and maybe Mr. Nichols can help me out a little bit is the Development Agreement and if we
would like to see the stub road over to
Monteview incorporated into phase 1, could that be incorporated into the Development Agreement and the drafting of that? How could we assist that process?
Nichols: Mr. Mayor, Councilman Anderson, and Members of the Council here is how I would see this coming about. Mr. Smith will review the phasing plan, taking into account the comments
that the Council has made tonight and see if the phasing plan is acceptable from Public Works standpoint or what things he thinks needs to be in that phasing plan. Then that goes back
to Mr. Cook and Briggs Engineering and if they agree with those changes then a phasing plan is submitted that fits those changes. Then we would bring that to you as an amendment to the
Development Agreement. It would say here is the phasing plan that Public Works has reviewed and says will it work and take into account that access for Monteview, and then you can approve
those. We get them to sign them. Mayor and the Clerk signs them then we can proceed with the annexation. Now with these boundary line adjustments it is also possible that the meets and
bounds legal description for the project may be slightly different than what it was before so we will have to reflect that in the Development Agreement and then we will also have to
reflect that in the annexation ordinance which would follow approval of the Development Agreement. There are some steps to be done, but it first starts with Public Works and then we
will work on making the pieces of the puzzle come together. Thank you.
Corrie: A question comes to mind, Gary. Is that going to give you enough time?
Smith: Yes, I think so Mr. Mayor. I would appreciate it if after you have had a chance to look at this phasing plan if you have anymore comments to let me know. Is that appropriate Mr.
Nichols outside of this meeting?
Nichols: What I would suggest is that if the Council has any comments to make with regard to the phasing plan or things, it is okay if they submit those to you so long as whatever
they submit to you is in writing, and then you provide a copy of that to Mr. Cook.
Smith: Okay, thank you.
Nichols: And Mr. Mayor, it might be best if it goes through Will or we have some central way of making sure it gets disbursed out to the proper parties. So if Council has some specific
comments if they will get those to Will. Will will take the responsibility of getting them to Gary and to Mr. Cook.
Corrie: So be it. Okay, we have a motion but no second.
Anderson: Second.
Corrie: Any further discussion at this point?
Bird: I have none.
Corrie: All of those in favor of the motion say aye.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Corrie: Gary and if you will get that and Will if you will be the central distribution of those we can make sure we all get those.
Item 6. Resolution No. 01-363: Adult Softball Team Fee Increase:
Corrie: So at this time if the City Clerk will read the resolution by title only at this point.
Berg: Thank you Mr. Mayor and Members of Council Resolution No. 01-363, a resolution of the City Council of the City of Meridian making certain findings and adopting a schedule of
fees for services referring to the new softball team fee for the summer program.
De Weerd: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd.
De Weerd: I move that we approve Resolution No. 01-363 for the adult softball team fee increase for the Mayor to sign and the Clerk to attest.
Bird: Second.
Corrie: Motion made and seconded to approve Resolution No. 01-363, the Mayor to sign and the Clerk to attest. Any further discussion? Hearing none, roll call vote Mr. Berg.
Roll-call: De Weerd, aye; Anderson, aye; McCandless, aye; Bird, aye.
Corrie: Okay, all ayes, resolution is approved.
Item 7. Resolution No. : Meridian Urban Renewal Area No. 1:
Corrie: I believe that the Council wanted to have some more discussion on that one, so I will entertain a motion to table that until the March 20, 2001 meeting and also place the discussion
on the workshop agenda on the 13th.
Anderson: So Moved.
Bird: Second.
Corrie: Motion made and seconded about the resolution for the Meridian Urban Renewal No. 1. Any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor of the motion say aye.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Item 8. AZ 00-025 and PP 00-027: Staten Park Subdivision Discussion requested by D’Alessio Building Development regarding the February 20, 2001, City Council vote for denial:
Corrie: Council, there are two other areas here the Findings of Facts of Law on the annexation and also the Preliminary Plat. It was for tonight. I understand that if the Council wishes
to hear this request for denial the Council can either accept or reject the request to be hearing it. Now, if you accept to rehear it, correct me if I am wrong Mr. Attorney, then we
would have to set a Public Hearing again on the annexation and zoning and Final Plat, is that correct?
Nichols: Mr. Mayor and Members of Council that is correct. The request from Mr. D’Alessio is for the Council to consider additional information that Mr. D’Alessio believes that the
Council did not have an opportunity to hear because of discussion that followed the close of the Public Hearing. So if the Council decides to look at this again, we would have to have
another hearing.
Corrie: Council if you wish to hear the brooks rebuttal on the denial that was given on the Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law.
Bird: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I believe that the two naye votes would be proper for them to say whether they would like to see it reopened or not. I believe that was Councilman Anderson and Councilwoman de
Weerd.
Corrie: Okay, let us hear from Councilman Anderson.
Anderson: Mr. Mayor, my comments that evening were not subject to rebuttal. They were just part of the discussion prior to the vote which is normal process with the Council meetings.
There was a request along with this to put in a chainlink fence, which was not something that was the desire of the Council or the staff and that is one of the reasons why I denied it
or voted to deny it. The other item that I had was that I believe and I stated it at the meeting that even though this subdivision appears to meet our Ordinances in size, I think this
is just another stamp of a blue print of a 8,000 square foot lot in Meridian, and I think
Meridian has hundreds of these and it would be my thought and my desire to see something in an area that I consider one of the jewels of Meridian around our golf course area that I would
like to see a little larger lot size in that area and something other than just the standard stamped 8,000 square foot lot that we see in every subdivision that comes before us. Those
were my remarks.
Corrie: Okay, Mrs. de Weerd.
De Weerd: I do not thing we had anything that was specific to the application to really discuss that was not already discussed so, I would stand by my vote.
Corrie: Okay, then we will take a vote here, whether Council wants to hear further discussion on D’Alessio’s development. Mr. Berg.
Bird: Mr. Mayor let me ask the two Council people that were naye. Do you believe that anything that you stated after the Public Hearing was closed was something that the applicant should
have been able to respond to --
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Bird: -- statements. Which I believe they were.
Anderson: That is the way I viewed them. It was not something for rebuttal. It was just a statement that these are the things that are influencing my decision on how I am going to
vote. I guess I would also ask to that since that was a tie vote on the Council and the Mayor broke the tie, it is appropriate for him to maybe speak about his reasons too?
Bird: I think so too. Would you do that?
Corrie: Yes. I would like to hear what they have to say. I know that a bunch of my concession was based upon the fencing and then the sizes and the cookie cutter type development.
I do not know what their plans would be differently than they have presented already, but I would be willing to listen to them again. And then let them have another shot at it because
like I say they are in an R-4 and are correct for the Ordinance in R-4. I think that if it is a 2 to 2 again, that I would give them the chance on the 20th to make their case. And they
did not to the Council, then –
Nichols: Mr. Mayor, we would have to put it off until the first meeting in April because of the requisite time for the noticed to be published in the newspaper.
Anderson: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Anderson.
Anderson: Just a question of the City Attorney, I mean procedurally to reopen this would not one of the Council people have to resend their vote? That voted in the naye.
Nichols: Councilman Anderson, Mayor, and members of the Council if I understand my Parliamentary Procedure correctly and that may be a big if this is essentially a motion to reconsider.
A motion to reconsider must be made by one of the members of the governing body who voted in favor of the motion that passed or voted with the majority. So the majority was to deny the
application, so I would say it would have to be you, Councilman Anderson, or Councilwoman de Weerd that would have to make the motion to have this reopened up and have a new hearing.
The second can be any other member of the Council.
Corrie: Since I cannot make a motion –
Anderson: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Anderson.
Anderson: I just would reiterate then that I would stand by my statements that I made prior to the vote and at this point would not be willing to reconsider.
De Weerd: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd.
De Weerd: As everyone knows, I have a problem closing a Public Hearing and making our philosophical statements, but because that is what the will of the Council is I go by it. I do not
like to keep dredging up every single application that we deny and rehash it. We kind of decided that we were not going to do that anymore, so I will go with the theme on that as well,
so I stand by my decision as well.
Corrie: Then based upon that nobody is going to make the change, and then the request for rebuttal is moot at this point.
Item 9. Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law of Denial: AZ 00-025 Request for annexation and zoning of 8.15 acres from an Ada County RT zone to R-4 for proposed Staten Park Subdivision
by Leavitt and Associates – east of Black Cat Road and south of Ustick Road:
Corrie: Council, you have the Item 9 Findings of Facts in front of you. Any discussion on the rezone from RT to R-4 on the Staten Park on Black Cat and south of Ustick Road?
De Weerd: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd.
De Weerd: I move we approve the Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law of denial for the request for annexation and zoning of 8.15 acres from RT zone to R-4 for the proposed Staten
Park Subdivision.
Anderson: Second.
Corrie: Motion made and seconded to approve the Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law on the Staten Park Subdivision for the annexation and zoning for the denial. Any further discussion?
Hearing none, roll call vote Mr. Clerk.
Roll-call: De Weerd, aye; Anderson, aye; McCandless, aye; Bird, naye.
MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE NAYE
Corrie: Motion to denial is approved.
Item 10. Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law of Denial: PP 00-027 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 24 building lots and 5 other lots on 8.15 acres in a proposed R-4 zone
for proposed Staten Park Subdivision by Leavitt and Associates – east of Black Cat Road and south of Ustick Road:
Corrie: Council, you have that in front of you. I will entertain a motion on the denial of Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law for the Preliminary Plat.
De Weerd: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd.
De Weerd: I move we approve the Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law of denial for PP 00-027, request for Preliminary Plat approval of 24 building lots and 5 other lots on 8.15 acres
by Staten Park Subdivision.
Anderson: Second.
Corrie: Motion made and seconded to approve the Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law of denial on the Preliminary Plat of Staten Park Subdivision. Any further discussion? Hearing
none, roll call vote Mr. Berg.
Roll-call: De Weerd, aye; Anderson, aye; McCandless, aye; Bird, naye.
MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE NAYE
Corrie: Three ayes, one naye motion is carried for the Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law of denial is filed.
Item 11. Tabled from February 20, 2001: CUP 00-057 Request for Conditional Use Permit to construct a new office / warehouse building in a flood plain for Big D Builders in an I-L zone
– King Street and Baltic Place:
Corrie: Council you have the CUP and Findings of Facts –
De Weerd: No we did not. We continued it.
Corrie: That is right. Discussion on the Conditional Use Permit? I thought maybe there were some questions the Council might have first, but staff go ahead.
Stiles: Mr. Mayor and Members of Council this is for property at 200 North Baltic Place. The recommendation to the City Council under Item 1 as 299, I think that was old, another application.
So it should reflect the 200 North Baltic Place, the applicant did come in today and has some issues with some other recommendations, and he can address those now. One thing that he
was looking at would be on page 2 under Item 1.1, the zoning ordinance under the Flood Plane overlay district has some antiquated wording referring to a Department that is no longer
responsible for reviewing applications of this type. He can address those facts. Our new employ that had just started, Dave McKennan, you have not met him yet, but he did do a lot of
work in Garden City on the Flood Plane, and he will be developing a new Flood Plane Ordinance for your review in the near future so we do not have to go through this on these Flood Plane
applications. Also, on Page 4, Item 1.8, we are still showing some old language on the landscaping regarding the 3-inch caliper trees per 1500 square feet of asphalt. Oh no, I am sorry.
It does refer to that, but some of our comments that we have done lately have referred to the 3 inch calipers still so Bill brought that to our attention, and I just read that and thought
that it was still in there so excuse me. I will let the applicant get up and discuss any items on the recommendations that he had issues with, and we recommend approval with the remaining
staff and agency conditions.
Bird: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Shari, will you clarify 1.1 for us. The District Health Department of the Department of Health and Welfare is not the approval agency anymore. Who is it so we can get it changed
here?
Stiles: It would be through the Department of Water Resources and FEMA, to meet their requirements. They are the ones that set the standards for building within the Flood Plane.
Bird: Okay that needs to be changed from District Health Department to FEMA.
Stiles: Idaho Department of Water Resources.
Bird: Idaho Department of Water Resources. That is all I had Mayor, thank you.
Corrie: Okay, any other questions, Council? Is the applicant here tonight? Okay, do you have any questions? I mean have you seen the recommendations from the Planning and Zoning?
Durrant: My name is Dennis Durrant. I reside at 8352 South Old Farm Place. I reviewed everything and just a few points of clarification I would like to make if possible. Shari corrected
the address it is 200 Baltic Place. On the recommendation 1.1 on the sewer and water systems being flood proofed, I found out that that does not actually apply if the property is built
up above the Flood Plane, which it will be. But for those interested, the path that I have pursed, I did contact Central District Health Department, Mike Reno. He said he did not have
any jurisdiction; he referred me to DEQ. They said they had no jurisdiction and referred me to Building Safety Plumbing Department, and they said they had no jurisdiction, so I followed
the path until I finally talked with Gary and then I spoke with Dave McKennan today. He said that he already had a rough draft already on that Ordinance for approval, so I think that
is taken care of. The other point I wanted to bring out was 1.8 that refers to landscaping and I think there are some specific comments that are addressed that I agree with. Then on
recommendations 1.27, 1.28, I believe that should read either or on those recommendations 1.27 reads storm water shall be pretreated through a grassy swell prior to discharge. And then
I believe it should say or the engineer or architect involved with design of the subject project shall obtain current best management practices so in the event that a grassy swell is
not available to treat that water that it can go into a subsurface sand/grease trap. Those are the only alterations that I was able to come up with, so if you have any questions for
me.
Corrie: Council?
Bird: I have none.
Corrie: Okay, thank you. Council, you have the recommendation from the Planning and Zoning and from staff with the corrections, how do you want to go with this Conditional Use Permit?
Nichols: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Nichols.
Nichols: If I can interject, Gary on the subsurface sand and grease trap option for treatment of storm water, do you have some recommendations as to what would be included before you
would pass off on this particular method of treating storm water?
Smith: Yes sir. Mayor and Council and Mr. Nichols, we are basically following the Highway District’s recommendations for subsurface disposal at this point. They are under review right
now for revision, but at this point we are following ACHD’s recommendations and specifications.
Corrie: Any other questions?
Bird: I have none.
Bird: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I would move that approve the request for Conditional Use Permit to construct a new office warehouse building a Flood Plane for Big D Builders with recommendation 1.1 wording changed
and recommendation 1.27, 1.28 to include or and for staff comments and for the Attorney to draw up the Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law and Decision of Order.
Anderson: Second.
Corrie: Motion made and seconded to approve the request for Conditional Use Permit with the changes as are noted in staff comments including and have the Attorney to draw up the Findings
of Facts and Conclusions of Law. Any further discussion? Hearing none, Mr. Berg a roll call vote please.
Roll-call: De Weerd, aye; Anderson, aye; McCandless, aye; Bird, aye.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Item 12. Continued Public Hearing from February 20, 2001: AZ 00-026 Request for annexation and zoning of 5.4 acres from RT to R-8 for a proposed Planned Development for proposed Kodiak
Development by Hubble Engineering - west of Meridian Road one-half mile south of Overland Road:
Corrie: At this time I will continue the Public Hearing and request staff comments first on Item 12.
Smith: Mr. Mayor and Members of Council when we left this project the last meeting was to resolve the extension of the sanitary sewer issue on Meridian Road from Elk Run subdivision
south to this property. I do not have a resolution for you tonight. I have got a meeting with Mr. Jewett’s engineer Wednesday afternoon at 2pm, and we are going to review all of the
information that I do have in my file from the Elk Run Subdivision No. 2 project. I do not think it is an insurmountable problem to extend that sewer. We may have to jog a little bit
to get past the fiber optics where it is presently stopped and get under the Kennedy Lateral to proceed on to the south, but I am fairly confident that that can happen. I do not have
a specific answer for you this evening though.
Corrie: Okay, is there from the public that wants to testify on the Kodiak Development at this point?
Jewett: My name is Jim Jewett, 4002 West Teeter here in Meridian. I have met with Gary and we are going to meet tomorrow to try and figure out which way to go with the sewer. The question
at the last hearing was is there a way we can go on the common lot, and my research today with both John Priester, the Ada County Engineer, and with my engineer and with the title company
is there is an utility easement that does exist along Meridian-Kuna highway that we can use if we cannot get it around this fiber optics. There is another route, and I have talked to
Gary about that. So my request for you tonight is to approve the annexation and let us move forward on the Findings of Facts while we work this problem out, exactly which way it is going
to go. I think Gary spoke that he is reasonably assured it is going to somewhere. It is just a matter of where. I know the Church is waiting for the sewer to the south of me, and I would
like to work with them and get this sewer down to them so they can proceed on and I can proceed on. My request tonight would just be to grant me the approval to get the annexation so
we can move forward.
Corrie: Thank you, Jim. Any questions?
Bird: I have none, but I do have one for Gary please. Gary do you have any problem with approval of the annexation tonight without this being 100% worked out? I am sure there is some
place that there is an easement to take that sewer down.
Smith: As Mr. Jewett mentioned, he and I had a discussion about the applicability of a note on the plat of Elk Run No. 2 and how that would be interpreted. He was going to contact
Ada County Engineer for his interpretation, which it sounds like he did and in that regard at least there is an easement there that could be utilized to extend utility to the south.
It is just going to take some engineering and making sure that all of the details are looked at as to how it can be extended.
Bird: Would you feel more comfortable if you were given the time to look into it and make sure, so we do not get ourselves in bottle neck?
Smith: Well, the ramifications I guess I do not like to answer a question with a question, but if it is alright with you, if the annexation went forward would it imply that service
was available in this route only? Or that we would provide service, the City of Meridian would be encumbered to provide service, and having asked that question then I will answer yours
by saying, I obviously cannot guarantee you right now how it could happen or if it could happen with the things that are in the roadway out there right now. There is always the possibility
that if there were enough obstacles to extend the sewer in the common lot to Elk Run No. 2 subdivision that the sewer could be moved toward the roadway and not in the roadway. Obviously
the Highway Department will not allow that, but possibly up onto the embankment of the roadway. And I do not know if that question has ever been asked of ITD folks.
Anderson: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Anderson.
Anderson: I understand that Gary is working on this problem, and I understand Mr. Jewett is in a hurry to get his project approved. I do not think the Church is knocking our door down.
I do not believe that postponing this another 2 weeks until the next Council meeting is going to mean a hardship for any party. I know there were a lot of questions about our ability
to get the sewer to that property, and it still sounds like there are a lot of unknowns. Mr. Jewett may have talked with the Highway District today, but he has not had the opportunity
to set down with Gary and really go over the details of that and stuff. So I would be in favor of continuing this Public Hearing for another 2 weeks and let us get some definitive answers
before we jump into something.
Bird: Was that a motion?
Anderson: And I would make that in the form of a motion.
Bird: I would second it.
Corrie: Motion made and seconded to continue this Public Hearing until March 20, 2001 to have the Public Works director and Jim get together and get those problems worked out. Any
further discussion? Hearing none, I will have the City Clerk give a roll call vote please.
Roll-call: De Weerd, aye; Anderson, aye; McCandless, aye; Bird, aye.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Corrie: All ayes. Jim the 20th they will have the Public Hearing continued to that for the annexation and zoning.
Item 13. Continued Public Hearing from February 20, 2001: RZ-00-005 Request for Rezone of 10.04 acres from R-8 to C-N for proposed Linder Crossing by Hawkins Companies and Stubblefield
Development – southeast corner of Cherry Lane and Linder Road:
Corrie: The applicant has requested that the Council delay that until July 3, 2001 meeting so with that request I will entertain motion to approve that continued hearing.
De Weerd: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd.
De Weerd: I move that we continue the Public Hearing on RZ 00-005 for Linder Crossing to be continued to July 3, 2001.
Bird: Second.
Corrie: Motion made and seconded to continue the Public Hearing on Item 13 on the rezone 00-005 to continue until July 3, 2001. Any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor
of the motion say aye.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Item 16. Public Hearing: VAR 00-019 Request for a variance to exceed maximum building height of 35 feet and reduce the 30-foot setback requirement to 20 feet along the 63 feet of
the one-story section of the building for proposed Ameritel Inn by B & A Development – Eagle Road north of I-84:
Corrie: Before we get to 14 and 15, I would just let you know that 16 will be continued until the 20th in 2 weeks. So if anybody is for that Public Hearing it will be on March 20,
2001.
Anderson: Mr. Mayor can take about a 10-minute recess?
Corrie: I think that would be a good idea. With the Council’s approval we will take a 10-minute recess and be back at 8pm.
(Meeting reconvenes at 8:00 p.m.)
Corrie: It is eight p.m., and I wanted to first recognize that we have some scouts here and there master with them from Troop 173, so welcome boys.
Item 14. Public Hearing: AZ 00-022 Request for annexation and zoning of 118.4 acres to R-4 for proposed Springdale Subdivision by Gemstar Properties, LLC – east of McDermott between
Cherry Lane and Ustick Road:
Item 15. Public Hearing: PP 00-022 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 385 building lots and 9 other lots on 118.4 acres in a proposed R-4 zone for proposed Springdale Subdivision
by Gemstar Properties, LLC – east of McDermott between Cherry Lane and Ustick Road:
Corrie: And also with Council’s approval I will just open the Public Hearing for request for Preliminary Plat. If they want to do all of the talking at the same time we will give the
same weight for your testimony on both of the Public Hearing. So at this time I will open the Public Hearing on Item 14 and 15, the request for annexation and zoning and also request
for Preliminary Plat, and we will have staff comments first.
Stiles: Mr. Mayor and Members of Council this is for 118.4 acres at the extreme edge of our Impact Area that would go to McDermott Road. This subdivision here is Turnberry subdivision
it sewers into the existing pressure line that was developed when Ashford Greens was developed. The Autumn Area would be here. The applicant is proposing to build a lift station and
a forest main and the trunk line that would be required to serve this area. As you can see from the map, it is a little hard to tell but the property is located in this location. And
the lift station that would need to be built is here with the forest main to be built all the way back to the plant. All of this area here would be the area that is served by this McDermott
trunk sewer line. Although it is contiguous to the City of Meridian we do still feel that it is sprawl development. They are proposing to development in phases with the very final phase
to be in this area so until this connection is made through Turnberry subdivision it is part of the final phase of the subdivision. The only access would be off of McDermott Road in
these two accesses here. There were some concerns about the interconnectivity, Ada County Highway District is loathe to approve any collector streets because their current policy is
that they would be required to participate in some of the cost of a collector street if it were designated as such. So the only thing that they have designated as a collector street
in this subdivision would be in this location and then through here. We did receive a revise plat based on our comments that were made to the Planning and Zoning commission. We have
not reviewed that plat for compliance. They have requested an R-4 zone. Staff felt it was more appropriate for an R-2 or an R-3 zone in this location. They also had an issue here on
this part of the subdivision there is some kind of discrepancy in the surveys and I got a response that there is a discrepancy in their surveys, I have had no satisfactory response to
why that occurred when it does not show up on any of our records through the county. The majority of the lots are between 8,000 and 9,000. They
are proposing a park in this location to meet the Landscape Ordinance requirements. Staff still stands by our recommendation to deny this application. It is not within any priority area
for development. Just to give you a little background on the amount of land that is being proposed for annexation in one phase or another. In 1999, the city did approve for annexation
approximately 130 acres. In the year 2000, they had approved 487 acres to be annexed of that 487 acres there is over 300 acres that the ground has not even been turned. Already to date
in the year 2001, the staff is dealing with over 1600 acres proposed for development in the city of Meridian. As I stated, this is not a priority area. We have the White Trunk that is
being built that will open up these 3 square miles, also the South Slew Trunk that would allow development of all of this area, and they basically open a new area for development that
we do not feel is wanted at this time. We stand by our comments as submitted and recommend that this application be denied.
Bird: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I have a question for Gary. On the sewer did I miss understand her, are they putting in two lift stations?
Smith: No sir just one.
Bird: And that is north of their –
Smith: North of their proposed development –
Bird: And then they are bringing it over to –
Smith: The Wastewater Plant.
Bird: -- well what about the lift station that is going to be going right by that –
Smith: It is a separate lift station.
Bird: So this going to be one that pushes itself. And does it go the same flow as the Black Cat lift station?
Smith: I cannot answer that question. I do not know. They are two separate lift stations. They have two separate pressure lines. They do not join until the flow has reached the treatment
plant. They are two separate pressure lines, two separate lift stations, and two separate service areas.
Bird: That is what I am saying Gary. How are they getting into the plant from the lift station? Are they going the same route as what the one from the Black Cat does?
Smith: They will follow along the Five Mile drainage to the plant.
Bird: And is that not the way the Black Cat, the big regional lift station will follow?
Smith: Yes, correct.
Bird: So in other words, we are going to have two sewer lines running side by side?
Smith: Yes. Two pressure lines.
Bird: Okay, thank you Gary.
Smith: You are welcome.
Corrie: Any questions from staff so far?
Bird: I have none.
Corrie: Since this is a Public Hearing, I will invite the developer and the representatives to testify first.
Wildwood: Mr. Mayor and Members of Council my name is Susan Wildwood. I am attorney, and I am here on behalf of the applicant, Gemstar Properties, which is the applicant for this particular
project and was also the applicant for the neighboring property which Mrs. Stiles mentioned, Autumn Faire Subdivision, which is immediately to the north and to the east of this property.
If you will Mr. Mayor, I would like to refer to the large exhibits behind me and that may help to answer some of the questions, particularly that of Council member Bird, so I will try
to answer those questions and then turn around and talk back into the microphone. With regard to the question on the sewer line, I have available if you would like to look at it the
large sewer plan map, which does show the planned trunk lines. Perhaps you would like to have Mr. Smith explain those.
Bird: I think I understand it now, I was just wanting to make sure that I understood right that we are going to have two pressurized sewer lines coming side by side once the Black Cat
sewer comes down from the north, and we have a regional lift station right there on that corner. You guys have yours over there and we are going to have two sewer lines coming right
down the same deal.
Wildwood: If I may, the current sewer plan actually shows the construction of the McDermott trunk line in the area that was referred to by Mr. Smith, so it currently
shows that coming into the pump station then as you indicated the Black Cat Trunk will come in also. Thank you Council member. Mr. Mayor although staff has recommended denial of this
particular project, I think that there are some items that particularly show a true benefit to the City of Meridian from this project. It is true as is illustrated on the large map;
the property is on the far-left side of the Impact Area. It is in the dotted orange lines on this map and the current city boundaries are the solid orange lines that completely surround
this map and actually go farther to the south. Because concerns had been mentioned in other hearings and also by staff with regard to whether or not this would constitute urban sprawl,
we made the effort to actually plot out all of the subdivisions and the development in the City of Meridian to determine whether or not what we were proposing was urban sprawl. And actually,
we were a little bit surprised by what we found. The yellow properties are actually un-cleaved properties that have not been annexed into the City of Meridian, and so you will see that
the concentration of un-cleaved properties actually go to the east of City Hall which is where the little marker is right now. So that the bulk of those properties are to the east of
City Hall as is the undeveloped property that currently exists within the City of Meridian boundaries. If you look at other undeveloped property immediately adjacent to the city or within
the impact boundaries, you will notice that there are still some blocks to the south, and there are a few pieces that are actually to the south of the proposed property. The golf course
is in this particular area and then if you will notice the larger, the darker green parcels that are shown on this map are actually city parks or open area because another one of the
concerns was is there actually usable open space or park space that is being provided at this end of town. If you look at the existing approved parks for the City of Meridian, there
are these two, there is another area in this location and then the remainder of these, and this is Wilkin’s Ranch. These are two small private parks. In Autumn Faire Subdivision you
have these common lots and then this is the property that is being donated to the city as part of the Autumn Faire development. In addition to that is the private park that was mentioned
by Mrs. Stiles that would be coming in as a part of the development of Springdale. That park is developed because the current open space requirements are that there be at least 5%. With
the park that has been made available in the Autumn Faire, and this particular park that would be an excess of 12 acres of parkland made available in that area at basically no cost to
the city. As you will recall, we have posted a bond of $204,000 to guarantee transfer of the park in Autumn Faire Subdivision, this particular park would be developed to the developer’s
expense and paid by the Homeowners Association. Because the current Ordinance requires that the park impact fee still be paid, you would see a relief on any of the parks within the city
plus a payment of the park fees which would result in a one time impact fee of $259 a lot for a total of I believe $203,000 that would be coming into the Impact Fee account and made
available to the Parks Department for development of parks or acquisition of property for the development of parks. The other thing that we felt was very important and it was also based
not only on staff’s comments but a review of the letters that came in from the effected agencies primarily the school district. I spent some considerable amount of time
discussing school district concerns with Mr. Wendel Bigham, there is one letter in your file, there is also another letter that I made available, but Mr. Mayor if I might I would like
to submit this original letter from Mr. Wendel Bigham. Members of the Council, one of the important considerations for the City of Meridian is its education. Meridian has grown greatly
when compared to the other jurisdictions. And schools are a concern and should be a concern of City Councils as well as school districts. There are two things that happen with schools
and that is the physical plan, the actual schools that are constructed to house the students and then whether or not there is sufficient operation and maintenance moneys, O&M administration
costs that come in to defray the costs of increasing population in a jurisdiction. Based upon that and Mr. Bigham’s original letter stating that the school district could not support
this project unless property was made available to the school district. We met with the school district and discussed what schools were available. This particular elementary site is
in Dakota Ridge. That is I believe the Ponderosa elementary school, which will be completed by autumn 2002. The school district has also identified a middle school site which would be
served by the White Drain Trunk line that the Mayor mentioned that the city is currently budgeted for development of the White Trunk line that would be coming up from the plant up Ten
Mile and approximately then this location along the drain would be somewhere along the north boundary of the middle school property. This middle school property and I am not exactly
sure what the status of this property was, but this is one that Mr. Bigham identified for me is planned for development within the next 3 or 4 years. And should pick up the students
in this area. In addition, we have identified in this vicinity because this was the vicinity earmarked by the school district. They wanted to see an elementary school if they could every
section. This was an area that Mr. Bigham identified for the identification of another elementary school site. We have indicated to him that we will make available to the district at
cost that school site and cooperate with them in making that available to them. In addition they are looking for – the school district is putting together a school committee which will
be comprised of a number of interested people from the community engineers, and other people to put together recommendations to go to the school district for school site identification.
One of the things that they are talking about doing is to locate a middle school and or a high school in the area that would be closer to Chinden Boulevard, Highway 20-26 and somewhere
in the location between McDermott Road and Ten Mile Road, so they would in the future be looking at two additional facilities. There is a new high school as you are aware of being constructed
that would be to the south, I think that is Mountain View High School, that will be slated for completion by 2003. That will result in a shift of district boundaries and moving children
all over the place, but it is projected that if approved the students from Springdale as well as Autumn Faire Subdivision would continue to attend Meridian High School, and that they
would probably continue to attend the Meridian middle school. So in looking at those and discussing those matters with Mr. Bigham, they felt that the district would be able to adequately
serve the students. They appreciated the fact that we had identified a school site in this area. The other thing that is a concern for the school district has to do with the
amount of money that is available. Because we are talking about phase developments coming in over a period of time, this the preference for school districts because this gives them an
opportunity to plan for those phases coming in. I had submitted a letter that included a revenue cost to serve and revenue projection, and I can say that it is certainly based on very
conservative numbers. What we tried to do with this in order to look at cost to serve and potential revenues to the City of Meridian and the other taxing districts is we pretended that
this whole thing was built out immediately rather than being phased in over 10 years. We tried to take conservative numbers. We believe that property values do escalate. And we estimated
that the value of the project built out would be somewhere around $56 million dollars. That number was derived from the average lot sales in the locations for surrounding subdivisions
that includes properties that are east as well as south in the Turnberry subdivision. We looked at what those lot prices would be and housing sizes, and then we took the most conservative
which is only the minimum square footage of the City of Meridian at 1400 square feet times the conservative $60 a foot to construct. That is where we came up with the values. We think
that those are very conservative, but what we wanted to look at is what kinds of revenues would the City of Meridian and the taxing districts including the schools be able to realize
over a period of time. These become important when you look at the services that are to be provided. There are issues for the Police Department for ability to serve. The same thing for
the Fire Department, that is why we looked at what kinds of revenues could possibly be generated and based on information from the police chief, based on newspaper articles, based on
other comments that we have seen. We tried to run those numbers out to see what kinds of revenues. What it looks like at this point and again we believe these are fairly conservative
estimates because property values will increase over the time of the phasing we will have a significant number of homes in this project that will be larger than 1400 square feet with
a higher cost to build and hence a higher value. But our best projections are that the City of Meridian that would be operation and maintenance and –
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Wildwood: -- according to the latest figures that we say in the newspaper would be approximately 40 percent of that would be roughly $48,000 a year, which would probably allow the hiring
of one new police officer and or assistance to defraying the cost of the police budget. In addition the fire budget is currently at 19% that would result somewhere in around $23,000
which would largely defray the cost of another fire fighter should the city decide to expand it. We looked at the police requirements per population. It used to be at 1.3 to serve it
has dropped down to 1.1 according to a conversation I had this evening with Chief Gordon. They are hoping to bring that level of service back to 1.3 officers per 1000. And the average
fireman per population is approximately 0.8. The school district itself if you look at that particular hand-out, it looks at the number of students per household, the number of classrooms
that would be generated and the amount of money that would come into the school district. The tax revenues
to the school district for operation and maintenance would about $158,000 a year and to retire existing bonds we would probably are bringing in somewhere around $95,000. The last sheet
lists the additional levies and revenue projections based on today’s number for Ada County. The long and short of it is that it appears that on an annual basis, annualized tax revenues
to all taxing districts could realize somewhere in the neighborhood of $582,000 a year plus you would be looking at the one time park fee of $203,000 which goes into the impact fee account.
The ACHD receives moneys that would be going in for maintenance for the road system, and the ACHD board has approved, has given us written approval on this particular project addressing
we think the issues that were brought up by Mrs. Stiles. With the issues on the sewer and water as Council member Bird pointed out with the construction of this line, there would be
that service in this area that would also at least for this for this stretch of the drain coming into the treatment plant would be duplicative but only in this area. This would be making
available sewer that would handle not only the Springdale area but the existing rural residential subdivisions that are located in the impact area that are currently on well and septic
and do not have sewer and water available to them. So this would take care of groundwater issues that may be arising with in the impact areas as we see development occurring. If you
will notice the White Trunk line at this point does not provide service to any existing rural residential subdivisions, but it may in the near future when you look at the existing subdivisions
which are outside of the city impact area. These are the ones that are in pink as well as this area and along side the Boise City limit line is this blue line that traverses the east
side of that particular exhibit. We understand that the Comprehensive Plan is in the midst of revision. So one of the things that we wanted to be sure and do is to look at not only what
does the current Comprehensive Plan talk about but the drafts that we have been able to obtain. The current Comprehensive Plan designates this area obviously in the impact area but would
also suggest that this would be appropriate as R-4, which are one to four dwelling units per acre. Interestingly in both the March 2000 and the June 2000 drafts the entire area that
would be within the impact area on this side of town and fairly close to the Chinden Boulevard corridor would be listed at low density residential, which is one to three units per acre.
At 3.25 we are approximately 6% over what has not yet been adopted by the city and we believe would be appropriate. The medium density residential is designated on at least the June
draft as being 3 to 8 units per acre and it actually would take in an area at 3 to 8 units per acre approximately north of the treatment plant going due east in one, two, three sections
of ground would take in the current Autumn Faire Subdivision, Turnberry, and significant other of the areas that area currently developed out. So we think that even if the proposed Comprehensive
Plan was applied to this project we think that we would be able to be very close to it. Interestingly enough, the draft for both June and March indicates that while the projected densities
for low residential is 1 to 3 units per acre. Both of those have provisions for density bonuses may also be considered with the provision of public amenities such as open space, pathways,
or land dedicated to public services. That density bonus exists in both the March and the June drafts. We
think that the bonuses that would come in from Springdale are not only the park and then the open area that would be along the Ten Mile Drain but also the fact that we would providing
the entire sewer line and lift station projected by the city engineering department on the map that I indicated earlier, allowing for a savings to the sewer budget of in excess of $2
million dollars. Currently, it is my understanding that the current budget for the White Trunk drain line as well as the South Slew which is in this area is approximately $1.3 million
dollars. This would be a savings to the city of over $2.2 million dollars in addition to the amount of revenues that would be generated to go into the city budget for the sewer and water
departments. I would like to address the density question because I know that I have heard concerns raised and even tonight by Council member Anderson as well as Council member de Weerd
so I would like to go directly to the lot sizes and the diversity for this proposed subdivision. Actually before I do, Mr. Mayor and Members of Council I would like to bring this exhibit
up. This particular exhibit shows in this photograph is this area virtually this corner that we are talking about in 1999. These other two photographs are this same corner in the year
2000, and I would like to show you what the area actually looks like and to illustrate that although there has some statements that it is cookie cutter, it is actually a very interesting
development that has come along here. This particular photograph shows the development that has occurred from the intersection of Ustick and Black Cat looking east. This one is 1999
and it shows that there are several areas that had not been developed. This is a photograph taken almost a year later showing that everything from the corner with the exception of this
parcel has been built out. It illustrates the houses around the golf course and then this photograph is looking west looking at Turnberry subdivision. While some of the lots are in the
size range that Council member Anderson raised some concern over 8000 square foot lots; there is actually more variety of density in this area than one might suppose. With that I would
to talk about some of the subdivisions. This is the Autumn Faire Subdivision that will be developed that has been approved by the City Council; this section is Autumn Faire No.1. It
is located in approximately this area. This would be the location of Autumn Faire No. 2 and the park, which is in the green, hatched area. The blue lots shown on this diagram are those
that are in excess of 9000 square feet. The yellow ones are those lots, which are from 8000 to 8500 square feet. 8501 to 9000 are those represented by pink. This is in Autumn Faire Subdivision.
This is Springdale. In Springdale there are yellow, again represents 8000 to 8500, pink represents 8500 to 9000, and the blue ones are 9000 square feet up. There are a number of lots
in Springdale that are in excess of 10,000 square feet. In fact the largest one is 18,000 square feet. Between these two, and the reason I wanted to show you both of these and if you
would like I could have the two of them set up, one of the concerns for communities is whether or not those who come in and buy the first time in a community have the opportunity to
stay in a location. If you are a first time home buyer and you have your children in the school, say Ponderosa or Meridian middle school or the new high school, you want to have the
opportunity to leave your children where the schools are, where the churches are, where there friends are. So you look for an
opportunity to move up. Now it may be that you come in as a first time homebuyer and you buy one of the lots that is smaller in that price range, and you are able to build your first
home. And then within three years which is the average time people are in a home, 3-5 years, then you want to have the opportunity to be able to move up. Your preference is generally
to stay in the same community. You can go up to a larger lot, either in Autumn Faire Subdivision or in Springdale, or you can be like myself and friends of mine that happen to live in
this area who are downsizing. I left 5 acres and 3000 square foot house in Star, and I have gone to a small house that is still too big. It is 1900 square feet, and I am kind of knocking
around in it. My lot is 97x145; I wish it were smaller than that because my current lifestyle is to go boating and bicycling and attend meetings at night. So I have no time to do yard
work. Other friends of mine have actually moved out just east of the golf course in this area. They are in their 50s. Both couples work. Their children are gone and they have moved out
from Boise on larger houses. They down sized, and they came to Meridian because they felt it was a quality lifestyle and they wanted smaller lots and they wanted to be able to get the
biggest bang for the buck. That is why they came to Meridian. They were able to downsize and they found homes that were on 8500 to 9000 square foot lots, and they are delighted because
they are gone all of the time. Sales representatives and auditors, so they do not have time to do yard work either. In fact, they are one of the ones that went down into the smaller
price range homes. So that what you have available out here and if you look at this particular map this area is developing with a real character. It is the gem to have the golf course
immediately available. That makes it available for retirees, families, it is a community course, and it makes it a real community out there. In looking at the development that has occurred
in Meridian there has been a significant amount of development here. We thoroughly understand some of the concerns that come in when you look at this is not the Boise impact area but
the City of Boise coming in toward Meridian. But in addition to that to the southwest is Nampa and the development that comes in from the City of Nampa. I participated as the attorney
of record for two subdivisions that are within two or three miles of this particular subdivision in the county. I brought with me tonight an illustration of what development in Canyon
County in this vicinity looks like, having marked Springdale and Autumn Faire Subdivision. This is the existing development along Star Road. This is a new subdivision recently approved,
and this is a large acreage subdivision recently approved. The size of the parcels here and here were a function not a sewer and water but southwest district’s health requirements because
these lots are all on well and septic and so there are groundwater issues. There is no sewer available in this area so Southwest District Health like Central District Health unless there
is sewer and water available is requiring larger lot sizes.
Anderson: Where is that project at?
Wildwood: This particular project was for CW Construction and this is the corner of McDermott and Cherry Lane. This one is Star Road just north of Cherry Lane.
Anderson: That is not built?
Wildwood: No, no this is built. This is existing. This is Star Road and here is Franklin.
Bird: By the Cheese Factory.
Wildwood: The Cheese Factory is about in this location.
Anderson: That is not built like that. I can tell you the roads and the lot size; they are not like that. Anderson Way and Heath Way, those are not the roads.
Wildwood: I obtained this from the Canyon County Assessor’s offices. That is where I get the maps.
Anderson: I am a fire fighter, and I cover that area. I have been out there a lot of times on fires and that is not built like that to that density. So I do not know where you got
that.
Wildwood: That is what is on file at the Canyon County Assessor’s office.
Anderson: It may be on file, but it may not be built.
Wildwood: It may not, sir. All I know is this is what is currently platted and approved for development. This property is not developed at all.
Anderson: The CW Construction?
Wildwood: This has just been approved.
Anderson: Is just going through approval right now.
Wildwood: Yes, it has just been approved. This one was just approved by Planning and Zoning.
Anderson: And the density on CW?
Wildwood: These are large lots because a Nutrient Pathogen study showed significant water issues, so they went to two to three acre lots. This one is an average of one and a half acre
lots also because of water issues, but these are all on well and septic.
Anderson: Can I see that map?
Wildwood: Absolutely. The last comment that I would like to make Mr. Mayor and Members of Council is with regard to the sewer system and again still addressing the comment by Council
member Bird. We have submitted as part of the packet an email form Brad Watson because in the course of our discussions with the school district in attempting to locate school sites.
We wanted to be sure that the sites we were looking at would have sewer and water available because that is what Mr. Bigham requested in his original letter. So our question to the engineering
staff was whether or not there was sewer service available west of Ten Mile Road given the current capacity and the current approved projects. That email was submitted to you, and basically
I will paraphrase very quickly that given the current development requirements, the approved projects there would be sewer capacity but no lines to serve schools that would be west of
Ten Mile Road other than those that could be served directly by the White Trunk Drain. And there would be certainly none north of Ustick meaning that for the school site that we have
identified in cooperation with the school district in the location of Ustick and McDermott and any other of the school locations there would not be sewer and water available, so the
school would not be able to develop school sites in those areas. Hence, we believe that the provision of McDermott trunk line not only provides sewering for this area, but also makes
it possible to develop school sites, which the Meridian school district has been looking for in these areas. With that Mr. Mayor and Members of Council thank you and I would be happy
to stand for any questions.
Anderson: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Anderson.
Anderson: Question first on the sewer line, so it would be gravity feed going north up to the lift station point? Is that where it starts to take off on the drainage?
Wildwood: It is my understanding, now Mr. Stanfield can address it better than I, but my understanding was it would be gravity feed. We are showing a slightly different construction
path. I believe the engineering department actually showed one that came in this location. That it would be pumped to the treatment plant, actually to the edge of the treatment plant
and then that would be handled by the city at that point.
Anderson: And so it would be pressurized line running from McDermott on over to the waste treatment plant? And you cannot hook up to the pressurized, right? I mean if someone else
wanted to develop a piece of land along there, they cannot just tap in part way down a pressurized sewer line can they?
Wildwood: Mr. Mayor, Council member, I am sorry I do not have a clue. May I defer that to Mr. Stanfield?
Anderson: S ure. Maybe I can address some questions that maybe you could answer.
Wildwood: Yes, thank you sir.
Anderson: The roadways, I understand that McDermott road is actually serviced by Nampa Highway District, and they did not provide comments, is that correct?
Wildwood: Mayor and Council member that is not correct. The Nampa Highway District did provide us a letter. Actually, what happened is that there was some discussion over who should
be looking at that and Nampa had deferred to ACHD. I do have that letter and I can dig it out for you sir if you would like.
Anderson: Okay. I guess what I am concerned about and the question I have is we are seeing several large projects like this that are being presented to us, and I think one of the fallacies
that I see is that under Ada County Highway District current procedure, they allow the developer to go out and hire their own traffic engineer. I guess I do not feel like we always get
the most objective point of view if the developer is paying the salary of the traffic engineer to do this study. He is probably going to find pretty favorably for what the developer
wants him to find. I guess what I am seeing is they are saying that we can dump all of this additional traffic on these rural roadways and the only thing we need to do is widen these
intersections. I guess I have some concern about that because I know that these roadways were not built for the traffic volume that we are going to be dumping onto them. The base material
underneath the roadways is not thick enough that the sub-grade these roads themselves are not going to handle all of this additional traffic that we dump thousands of cars on these things
everyday. If we are kidding ourselves thinking that we can just widen these intersections and somehow that is going to magically solve these problems, so I guess what is the development
community and what are the developers willing to do, I mean we pay a fee to Ada County Highway District, but that is no guarantee that those roads are going to be built anytime in the
near future to accommodate the additional traffic that is going to go onto those roads immediately when this project is built.
Wildwood: Mr. Mayor and Council member, actually because I deal in four counties and have had various size projects, I have spend a lot of time talking to the Highway Districts about
Highway District problems and how you go in and exactly on these kinds of issues. I have talked to Butch Riles who is retiring at Nampa. I have not have too many discussions with ACHD,
but especially in Canyon County and McDermott as the county line, they have some concerns. They have gone in and looked at not only level of service. They have looked at traffic that
is going to be generated and that is a fairly objective number about 10 trips per household in looking at that. Looking at the Highway District’s standards for road construction, what
they are doing as they go in and improve the roads
are actually going to the state standard for construction which is significantly higher. It is not only to service the fire trucks and the garbage trucks but also basically to handle
traffic as heavy as 18-wheelers. It is not quite federal standards, but they are significantly higher. What the Highway Districts have done when I have talked to Nampa and Canyon 4 when
they have cross-jurisdictional questions, ACHD for instance maintains the upper part of Blessinger Road and Count Ada Road down to a certain point. When they go in and do the work theoretically,
they bring the road up to those other standards. I believe that it is frequently a requirement that the roads be improved immediately adjacent to the subdivisions I think you are asking
a different question as far as improvement for intersections. I am not sure how to address the improvement of the intersections. But I do understand that based on some other cases that
I have done that they look at the traffic warrants at a particular intersection and when that traffic reaches that point then they look at things like signalization, channelization,
turn lanes if you will, and in order to direct that traffic along those rural routes. I think the difficulty is the sort of thing that this City Council and other decision bodies have
and that is do you do it before the development comes or after it comes or in the middle of it, and how can you match those projects together. That is one of the reasons we ran the numbers
to look at ways that we may be contributing enough money in that area to address that. As far as the intersections go, I mean that staff commented on what would happen on a couple of
the intersections, Cherry Lane, and that is my basic knowledge on that. When you talk about the development community, I know that there are some developers that do not bat an eye going
in and making the required improvements and others fight it. My experience with this developer is that they have gone in and they have done a good job in the road improvement requirements.
That is the best way I can address that concern, sir.
Anderson: So you have not been asked by Ada County Highway District to participate in any of those intersection improvements or anything?
Wildwood: I am going to defer that Mr. Stanfield, but my recollection from glancing through that report is that we were not at this point. They would be still looking at level of service
for those other intersections. It is my understanding that when you come to a cross-jurisdictional road and my most recent experience was Caldwell Boulevard which has some federal highway
sections, some county roads, some city road, and fairly complicated in what the ITD did. ITD would not be involved here. ACHD and Nampa probably would be, although they have improvement
requirements and then they have maintenance requirements, and my understanding is that those can be different. Sometimes there can be a joint improvement of the roadway but maintenance
would be one particular taxing district. They look at the number of warrants again and look at the level of service for those intersections. Whether or not the road has been improved,
in what period of time, and if so what was the road base, how much asphalt, what is the width of roads, what do the shoulders look like, and I do not know what their plan is for McDermott.
Scott may have more information than I do sir.
Anderson: Okay, let me address a couple of other things that you talked about. One you talked about I guess you were giving us all of the examples of the development that had occurred
around the Black Cat and between Ten Mile Road and Ustick. I guess I would just like to comment that that is kind of the culmination of a 20-year project of building a golf course. And
that was the remaining area as the golf course was completed and that is why you say so many projects that are filling in and are developing there. That is not just something that all
of a sudden the last two years just came into play. It was the result of a 20-year effort and is kind of the end result. The other thing is you did a very nice job of putting together
some numbers to illustrate that you fill like this development pays its way. I guess being in the emergency services business, just to correct you on a couple of things. It is true that
some of the numbers that you used to generate some of the numbers, but some of the things that you did not take into consideration. For example, to add one new fire fighter, it takes
hiring three fire fighters to have 24-hour a day, 365 day a year coverage. So you cannot just have one fire fighter and think that you are all of sudden going to add one to that permanent
staffing. You are not. It takes three of those salaries along with benefits, along with buying a $300,000 fire truck and a ¾ of million-dollar station, all of the other appurtenances.
Some of the figures that the city has put together are on residential development and a residential house paying their annual property taxes and due to Meridian unusually low Mill Levy
as compared to surrounding cities. It would take about 30 years for a residential house to pay for the addition services, police and fire and parks that are going to have to be provided
immediately with this development being completed. So it is not a fact that residential construction pays its way. I just want to point that out because it really does not. It takes
a long time for the city to recoup the funds that are involved in that initial out lay that goes with that so for whatever that is worth. You also talked about the savings to the wastewater
treatment plant with the developer putting in this additional trunk line. The City of Meridian and Wastewater treatment plant does not go out and install miles of trunk line. That is
paid for by the development community in general. So it is really not a savings to the City of Meridian because we would not install that if there was not a developer there wanting to
put in his project or her project. I have a hard time rationalizing that, that is actually a savings. I think the other comment that I would have about the project is that the city has
clearly outlined with the trunk lines that we do want to extend which way we want to go, and this appears to be an effort by a developer to try to shift the cities direction in plans
for growth, which I am not personally in favor of and do not understand why you would want to shift those plans other than for the personal gain which would occur in this case for the
developer and his property. So I guess I am needing a lot more convincing of why this would be a beneficial project to the City of Meridian, and what it would do to enhance our community,
and why we would want to annex and bring this into our city.
Wildwood: Mr. Mayor, Council member Anderson if could take those in a somewhat different order. It is my understanding that the White Trunk is budgeted for by the city at one point roughly
3 million dollars. That only a portion of that would actually be paid by Mr. Busey who currently has property in this location, but that this section of the White Drain Trunk line and
this section of the South Slew is currently budgeted by the city rather than a developer. Hence my comment that what we would be doing here without any participation from the city would
actually be constructing a trunk line that currently is shown on the sewer-planning map. Hence, there would be savings to the city for a line that would not have to be constructed by
the city that is currently shown on that planning map. Those were the purpose of my comments with regard to sewer, so I do think that with regard to that there is a significant savings
to the city assuming all other things are equal. With regard to your comments about fire services and how you provide emergency services. I did not mean to suggest and I hope that you
did not take it that way sir that we would be paying our way. I am not sure how one could ever arrive at the total cost to serve. It has been a constant discussion amongst planners in
the 7 years that I have been in this business, and that is how do you actually arrive at cost to serve per household? That is an extremely difficult calculation so when we did our figures
we did the best we could. We are not sure how many fire stations you need for a population, sometimes it depends on location, the age of the houses, the age of the population, and in
fact the salary that comes in, that starting salary, always includes benefits. Those benefits can range anywhere from 18% to 35% of that fire fighter salary, then have the associated
uniforms and the pumper and etc. So the difficulty in looking at that is not does this pay its way but how does it contribute and how does mitigate the impacts of the development on
the community. That is why we ran those numbers, and that is also why we were extremely conservative in the numbers that we used. We think that the true numbers would be significantly
higher, but we do understand that what we are talking about is how do we address concerns for emergency services and the only way to look at those is, what are the financial or the revenues
that are generated by this project to mitigate the impacts of the project on the city and on the community. With regard to the golf course as I said and I can certainly concur, that
the golf course is a gem for the City of Meridian just as the golf course is in Boise, and the golf courses that are currently being developed in Canyon County are gems and they do result
in significant development. I am in part responsible for developments around the Purple Sage golf course and what happens is that development does not necessarily go exactly around a
golf course. When a developer comes in and looks at property, whether it is somebody who is selling 10 acres or 2 acres or 100 acres or 500 acres, it is always the case that the investment
is a question. The people who own property in this area have an interest. Some of them are farmers that need to retire. Some of them are people that are tired of a large lifestyle; some
of them are children that inherited farms when their parents died. Not all of them are in this area which is currently slated for development. Some of them are out in this area. It is
my understanding that when a city negotiates its area of impact with the counties
that the focus of the area of impact is to tell the county that this is the area into which we believe development should occur, and that there would be an extension of city services,
sewer and water into this area. That is one of the things that is frequently negotiated in a Joint Powers Agreement between cities and counties. So that if one looks at this area and
it is shown in the impact area whether it is in this area or not, one might be reasonably led to believe that that is an area especially adjacent to the golf course and the treatment
plant that would be designated for future development. I am perfectly aware after looking at the maps that the city has also slated this area roughly as medium-density residential, which
would be given the fact that there are virtually no subdivisions in this area today would mean a great deal of development in that area. It is my understanding that Mr. Busey has an
entire section or the better part of it that is going to be considered for development. Not all of the landowners are willing to sell their property and sometimes they are not willing
to sell it at a price that makes it feasible to put in the improvements such as parks and bringing a sewer line in. So when a developer that accept those kinds of projects, there are
many factors that come into those sorts of things. Can you get easements? What are going to be the costs to build the roads and provide school sites? That is why I went through this
rather elaborate analysis to say that for these particular clients they have made a real effort to identify school sites, to provide sewer, to look to ACHD and all the facilities to
find ways of making this a compatible development. Understanding that the city is interesting in moving in these areas. It does not necessarily mean that it would be incompatible to
move out into this section of the impact area. That would be my response to that sir, and I was trying to keep track of the other comments that you made. Was there anything that I had
not addressed sir? That I did not defer to Scott.
Anderson: I do not believe so. I think you covered most of my issues. I would ask one more question, as you indicated your clients and they had developed Autumn Faire Subdivision and
now they are doing this one, is that correct?
Wildwood: Mr. Mayor, yes sir.
Anderson: And how many other parcels of ground do they own I guess to the north of this or do they have options on? It would be nice to have a crystal ball and know what you were going
to come in with next as far as projects. But I would kind of like to know are you looking at other properties there to develop in that area?
Wildwood: Mr. Mayor, Council member, obviously Springdale is the key to everything. Future plans are strictly dependent on this. If we do not have Springdale, we do not have projects.
That is really the long and the short of it. We would be looking at other properties. We have talked to people in the area, but I would have to leave it at that. We would like to. We
would like to be in Meridian because we think it is a good city. We have appreciated addressing your concerns.
Anderson: One more just comment is I know you talked a lot about the 8000 square foot and someone buying a starter home and people wanting to downsize. I think Meridian is, this is
a personal opinion here, but it is kind of what I am hearing from constitutes out there, is Meridian is full of starter homes. They are full of lots where people can downsize, but it
is not full of lots where people can ever upsize, and if you look at that map and maybe you could point out some of the subdivisions for me where they have larger home sites. I am not
sure there are too many subdivisions that on an average where anybody could buy a larger size lot and when I say large I guess I am talking in the 15,000-20,000 square foot range. There
just does not seem to be anything out there in Meridian. It is like either you are going to buy around this range here or nothing, and that is when we talk about cookie cutter that is
kind of what we are referring to. That map has a whole bunch of cookie cutter lots on it. It really does. As well as I believe your subdivision plat does too.
Wildwood: Mr. Mayor, Council member, I am trying to think of even in Boise, Canyon County, what I am familiar with in Ada County. Within the cities themselves, you generally find even
in Boise relatively few subdivisions that are at the 15,000-lot size. They tend to be fairly limited simply because of land cost, and typically those are going to be developments such
as Spurwing, Banberry, etc. that have very tough restrictive covenants that require relatively large homes and many people do not want these, especially when you look at those lot sizes.
Even around the golf course, Golfview, Ashford Greens, you are looking at lot sizes between 9000 and I think there are some in there at 14,000. What I did bring just to give a little
bit of hint where three subdivisions that I was familiar with. I do not have Golfview with him. I have Hartford, Salisbury, and then Wilkins. Of course Wilkins is more typical of the
area up along Ustick, but we took the time to color these. These again are in excess of 9000, and they range 9000 up to 12000. That is the same thing with Golfview, and I do not know
exactly the size is in Ashford, but I think that they range in that size as well. You also take into account that the golf course is there, and many people think that the golf course
is sort of an extension of their backyard that they do not have to maintain but get to look at. But as far as the City of Meridian goes, I confess I am not as familiar with it as I should
be. You get down I think into these rural subdivisions that are again in pink, but again these are areas that are on well and septic and these lots will tend to be larger simply because
of the requirements for well and septic on this and to develop. I can give you only the following example, I had 2 acres in Boise, two separate parcels and when Boise did the line extension
along the little street I lived on, County Squire Lane, which is Ustick and Five Mile in Boise. We did not have to hook up to sewer but when we sold it was a due on sale Ordinance and
the people who came in after us hooked up. It cost them $2,500 per lot or about $5,000 to hook up simply because of the size of the lots. All I can say is there is a variety, but it
really is over a larger community. I understand what you are talking about. I might just say that one of things that people find very attractive is that they can come out here and they
can
find houses and lots in this particular size. I constantly hear it as representing developers, why can you not have bigger lots. And the market niche, my ex-husband is a realtor, I deal
with brokers a lot, and quite frankly right now what the market has been for are particularly houses in this price range. The market for very large houses is gone. The market for starter
homes is still going a little bit, but people have a difficulty qualifying. If you come in with houses in this price range at somewhere between $130,000 and $200,000 the mortgages that
were available until recently were generally you could not get anything better than what we would call 10 percent money. I used to be a loan officer, and that is that you might be able
to get a loan with 10% down and then to be able to qualify for it. One of the things that Meridian has put out is a desire to locate businesses here and to develop skilled labor and
to develop people with education, and unfortunately for those people they cannot always afford the $250,000 house. Many of those who come into a community can afford to come in at the
$140,000 maybe $150,000 price range, and then they are in the community, they are established here and they want to move up. So when businesses look at a community, they look very much
at what is affordable housing available for the workers that they would be bringing in. As you bring in the executives of course they are going to be looking for larger homes, but the
executives tend to be the smaller part of the work force in those companies as they locate. I think that has been the experience out by the Micron facility. It may very well be the experience
with the development around the Idaho Center, the new campus, and the other businesses that Meridian is going to be bringing in. But a resolution to the issue sir I am not sure that
I could answer that.
Anderson: Mr. Mayor, if I could make one more I guess closing comment, and I guess this is the crutch of the whole thing for me. I know Susan that you do your homework, and you do
a great job of putting on a presentation, and I know that you are very informed about what is going on. And I think it is no big secret that Meridian has had a lot of publicity lately,
and just a matter of a few weeks ago there was a rather in-depth in the Statesman that was a three series article. One of the big problems and this Council openly admits it is we feel
like we are several years behind in the basic things as far as parks, police, and fire protection as well as struggling to keep up with the infrastructure things as far as schools and
roads and water and sewer. This Council and you indicated yourself; we have been trying to make a concerted effort in the last few years to bring more commercial development into this
community. I think we are being successful at that. We are starting to see the fruits of our labor there, and we are starting to get that. We feel like the commercial development is
what is going to catch us up on those other things. But the other problem is this Council is severely handicapped by the state legislature and the 3% cap that they have imposed on us,
that we are only allowed to increase our budget by that 3%. It was also discussed and it has been recently that the city is openly going to be going to the people and asking for an election
to increase or Mill Levy --
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Anderson: -- and it would raise our Mill Levy from its current level to a 0.04 which would help to catch us up only in the areas of general government: police, fire, and parks. While
this may seem to you that it is a good project, to me I almost look at it is it could be the proverbial straw that breaks the camel’s back. At some point here, we have got to catch up
on those basic services and every time we add another residential subdivision to this factor that load is just getting heavier and heavier, and we are getting further and further behind.
I hate to use the M word but Meridian is getting about that close that they really need to think about it. So I really struggle with this large of development in the position that the
city is at right now. You do not have to respond to that at all, but that is just for your general knowledge. It is a comment from me on what I perceive as our problem.
Wildwood: Mr. Mayor. May I respond to that Council member? Because I have taken that into consideration in looking at that, and honestly in looking at staff’s comments and listening
to the Mayor at the State of the City address, the articles in the paper, and I guess honestly that is why I was puzzled that you would be talking about such increased densities and
development in this area when this is already contiguous development and virtually nothing has occurred up here. There is no road infrastructure; there are no schools. The sewer line
has yet to be developed and from my standpoint I actually thought about where can I see that Meridian has grown, given the concerns of the Council if I were to look at that map and I
was a Council person and if I thought that the development was a good idea from my own personal perspective, I would be thinking that development where the infrastructure is already
in place including the fire station on Ten Mile and those other kinds of things that that is closer to infill and easier to develop. So honestly I thought of that because I thought now
if I get asked that question what do I think, so thank you sir.
De Weerd: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd.
De Weerd: Now I have to respond. You know we set a priority growth area, and it was because we cannot grow in every single area of our city. As we go towards the fringes of our areas
of impact, you should not maintain the same densities, but you should ease out. Across the street you have a very, very low-density development, that is the separation between Ada County
and Canyon County in that vicinity. Bringing urban densities out to your fringes is not always the best idea. When Autumn Faire Subdivision came in, we said it is within our sewerable
area so we commit to that. In our area of impact agreement we have seven years to bring services to those areas. It will come. It is wonderful that development offers to help pay their
way, and I do not want to take that away from the group that you represent and what they are trying to accomplish. But again it has to be in due time, we cannot grow every direction.
That area to the north will still be
within the heart of Meridian when you look at areas of impact. And we have not made any commitments to what those densities are going to be. But at least you are going to be allowed
a little bit of a mixture of densities. And it is true when an employer comes to our community; they should be able to have a diverse amount of options of what housing opportunities
are going to be to their work force. You can say in Meridian that the option right now is not for the low-density lots. It is for the medium density and the higher densities. Personally,
I have been looking for a lot that is above 10,000-12,000 square foot, and it is hard to find. If I want to upgrade I cannot because I would have to move out of Meridian, and I cannot
do that. I do not want to do that. So we have to be able to afford that to our residents as well. And those are the kind of things we look for in this since you are going to be developing
from the west to the east, our emergency services are going to have to go a whole – they are going to have to go around that whole square mile to get to the first ten houses that area
built there when a service call is needed. It is going to be a couple of miles to get to respond there. Going up north you are still in the core of you community, the core of your area
of impact, and we do intend to service our area of impact and bring services out there. But we cannot grow in every direction. We just cannot. That is why when Cherie and stepped on
over a year ago the Council did sit down with the sewer maps and with our staff and try to designate an area of where the growth priority should go. Those are kind of some of our rationales
of doing it.
Wildwood: Mr. Mayor, Council member de Weerd all I was doing was responding to Council member Anderson’s comment, and just looking at that the development was there and recognizing that
at least on the draft maps those do indicate those particular densities. I asked Scott about the phasing schedule for both Autumn Faire Subdivision and for Springdale and in part Turnberry
was concerned about the interconnectivity and the traffic going through there, and one of things that we worked with ACHD was actually reducing the traffic going into Turnberry we redesigned
a number of roads to reduce based on ACHD requirements coming in through Turnberry to service that and that was part of the phasing schedule that would be coming in.
De Weerd: We know those are real challenges, having other subdivisions allowing other subdivisions coming through there. That is a major thing, but it also is a major thing for emergency
services that you start having those accesses and connectivity between the square miles. I do applaud, you dotted every I, and in time when that area does develop, we appreciate your
homework. I kind of stand by even what we were inferring to at Autumn Faire Subdivision is that will come in time.
Corrie: Any other questions?
Wildwood: Thank you sir.
Corrie: Thank you. We are going to cut you a little bit shorter, but go ahead.
Wildwood: Mr. Mayor if I could, we have a number of members that are in the audience, could have the citizens testify? So they do not have to listen to the technical stuff.
Corrie: We will do that. I am going to limit the time about three minutes a piece, then if somebody in front of you has already said what you are going to say, you can raise your hands
in that is exactly what I was going to say, so we do not repeat. Okay, everybody here is evidently for the project, is there anybody here against the project? Okay, whoever wants to
come up first.
Ownby: I am Dale Ownby. I live at 1824 South Sportsman Way here in Meridian. I am standing in for the owners of the property, Monte and Lela Janicek. The reason I am standing in for
them is because they had to leave Saturday about noon for Nebraska because Monte’s father past away, and they preferred to get up here and tell you their story so they both prepared
letters for me. They are very short just one page so if I could be two people here and get six minutes I am sure that I can get both letters read. Thank you. Mayor Corrie and Meridian
Council members, I will be planting my 27th crop on my property at 2256 North McDermott Road this spring. I have seen lots of changes over the years. When my oldest daughter started
school 19 years ago she attended Linder elementary school. Development was taking place around the school at that time, and over the years the development has proceeded west reaching
Ten Mile Road and then eventually Black Cat Road and finally into the section where we live and farm. Turnberry subdivision which borders my property on the east has completed phase
number one and has started construction on several houses in phase number two. Autumn Faire Subdivision, which borders the northeast side of my property, has been annexed into the City
of Meridian. Construction on phase number one started in the last few months. A city park has been planned north of my property and an LDS church has completed construction and is clearly
visible from my property. The house we live in is in the northwest corner of the Springdale project. From our home we can look to the southwest and see the top of the Idaho Center on
Canada and Franklin Road. The Mercy Medical Center, which sits on Garrity and I-84, is very visible especially at night when the lights are on. The new Auto Mall at Garrity Boulevard
and I-84 looks like a stadium at night. BSU has a 150-acre campus north of the Idaho Center a lot of the infrastructure work is done and the legislature, joint finance appropriation
Committee agreed to allocate 9.3 million for the construction of the first campus building. As you see we are not out on the fringe anymore. I also disagree about drawing urban service
boundaries down the middle of a section. I would prefer, I would like to refer to the written comments that my wife and I submitted to the city to the City Council on July 19, 2000,
and I have that and I will turn that in. In fact I have a copy for each of you. I think the proposed Springdale subdivision was a development and donation of the McDermott sewer line
and lift station is a sweetheart of a deal for the City of Meridian. I would like to urge the City Council to support the Springdale development. Sincerely, Monte Janicek. This is his
wife, Lela Janicek. Mayor Corrie and Meridian Council members, my husband and I have lived and raised our family at the present location at 2256 North McDermott Road for 26 years. We
have seen many changes through the years and have watched Meridian grow in leaps and bounds. Monte and I have been aware since 1993 that we have been in the impact area for the City
of Meridian. We have nothing against growth and development. Especially since we have witnessed through the years that residential growth has been an asset to Meridian. We were really
surprised when 36 acres in the middle of our section was approved for the Turnberry subdivision. Monte and I did not testify against the development because we thought it was a great
asset to the City of Meridian. What really surprised us was finding out later that the Turnberry subdivision, which set the precedent for our section, was connected to a temporary sewer
line rather than a permanent sewer line. Also, no park or donated land was required by the city for the Turnberry subdivision. The above stated requirements such as parks and or donated
land have been provided by the developers for Autumn Faire Subdivision and the pending Springdale subdivision, plus the developer plans to spend an estimated 2 to 3 million dollars off
site sewer lines and lift station which will become a great asset to the City of Meridian. This amount of money cannot be spent with a zoning, which would create a lower density of homes.
While proceeding through Planning and Zoning, there was testimony from our neighbors, which was favorable. Two members had some concerns; however, those concerns were quickly met and
satisfied. Monte and I feel that the Springdale subdivision is not hopscotching across the section but is tying in with Turnberry subdivision and Autumn Faire Subdivision bringing only
more assets to the City of Meridian. Turnberry, Autumn Faire Subdivision, and Springdale all are coming into the City of Meridian under the same Comprehensive Plan. However Springdale
will provide Meridian with a tremendous asset and the additional sewer lines and lift station. I strongly urge the City Council to support this proposal. That was written by his wife,
Lela. I have copies for each member here.
Cheever: Mayor and members of the City Council, I am representing my parents who are Louis and Bob Morgan. They live at 2550 Morgan Grove Lane. That is basically in the middle of the
mile section that you are discussing. My name is Jan Cheever; my address is 10999 West Ramrod Drive, Boise Idaho. Obviously if no one raised their hands not supporting this project so
my parents are supporting it. I am going to totally change my testimony because a lot of things have already been said, but some of the current concerns that I read about that your Planning
and Zoning in a letter dated January 30, 2001 had mentioned that were not in support of the Comprehensive Planning policy that you had for where mentioned around not having emergency
services, not having schools in place, not having a lot of things in place. I have worked in government a very long time. I have very seldom ever seen where money is appropriated or
budgeted until the need is shown. I would be highly surprised that it would be budgeted and put in place until the need was shown if there is no subdivision if there is no people there
is no need in a certain area. The other thing is in that particular document
of January 30, 2001 on page six under F, it is stated by the people reviewing the plan that the proposed subdivision would not create anymore additional requirements or demands to the
city than other similar residential uses and given the applicants commitment to fund sewer and lift costs. The public costs may be less than other similar sized projects. The primary
question is one of timing. Until the new trunk line is constructed, sanitary sewer services are not available to this development. I would suggest in having the developer putting in
that system before the homes are built. For you to say that that area is not proposed for development you have already let the colt out of the barn. That area is under development has
been under development. I have lived here all of my life, and to say the infrastructure is not there is inappropriate. It is no more there than it is anywhere else. I would propose that
you go forth with this subdivision. I would propose that you go through with the development with that mile session as it is already under development. Thank you.
Rice: Mr. Mayor and Members of Council I would like to say I support this project. My name is Ronald Rice. My property borders this trunk line if it goes in for a half of a mile because
my property is on McDermott and Ustick. I live right in that corner, and I of course would like to see the project go through. I have lived there 51 years and it is about time I quit.
I also have a letter here from my neighbor who joins my property on the east, and he says he addresses you and says this property appears to me to be a project that would eventually
make a major contribution to the City of Meridian. I recommend that it be approved. We own 60 acres east of the Rice property and north of the Janicek property at approximately 6000
West Ustick Road. Alden Porter.
Corrie: Thank you.
Jack Anderson: City Council people my name Jack C. Anderson. My wife and live at 5325 West Ustick Road. I am here. I am in favor of this subdivision. Everybody has said something in
favor of it, and I agree. I would like to answer Mr. Anderson on the statement that you said that you cannot make new subdivisions because of various reasons. I would like to mention
the fact that the City of Meridian just put in a subdivision next door to me, Autumn Faire Subdivision. It hits on two sides of my property. We have 40 acres. Now if you say that you
cannot or that you should not make new subdivisions, you are kind of excluding me who is adjoining this last subdivision as being a part of the City of Meridian. City of Meridian put
us in the zone of influence and the zone of influence does not say that you should not have subdivisions. So I disagree with your assessment. I want to thank you.
Corrie: Thank you Mr. Anderson.
Donna Anderson: Mr. Mayor and Members of Council my name is Donna Anderson. I am at 2000 North McDermott Road. My husband and I had sent in letters hoping that we did not think that
we would here, but I was hoping that I
would not have to get up here. But a couple things Mr. Anderson had made a comment about the road and maybe that will be addressed, but McDermott road was rebuilt last year. They took
their full right-of-way, they moved back the power poles. They redid the new base so in regards to that I think it is ready. I agree with the other comments that the people have made.
We are in support of this project. If you were concerned about the development in the subdivision of that area, I feel it would have been appropriate at the time to stop the development
at Black Cat Road, but because of the Turnberry subdivision and the approval of Autumn Faire Subdivision I believe what they have proposed is very well planned and really is complimentary
to what has already been there. Thank you.
Corrie: Thank you Mrs. Anderson. Anyone else?
Stanfield: I will make this as quick as I possibly can. Scott Stanfield with Earl and Associates, 314 Badiola in Caldwell. Licensed Engineer and I am going to skip right over to Mr.
Anderson’s comments regarding the sewer. I do not know if you have any questions left on the sewer layout and locations and whatnot.
Anderson: My question has already kind of been answered by the people that are here to testify and what I am hearing is there is a large intent here of people who are wanting to sell
their land for future development, so I kind of got a good feel of what you are wanting to do with the sewer line.
Stanfield: I will answer one question you asked regarding the pressure line. Once it is pressurized you really cannot hook into it, and that is the reason why I believe the cities master
plan shows two parallel pump stations with two separate lift stations. One for each service area in that area. You can just not tap into them because of the high pressures. So hopefully
that answers that. Regarding the traffic study, I heard your comment about the licensed Engineer and the traffic study that the developer paid for, and to be honest with you I take issue
with that as a licensed Engineer. I think there were probably three of us in this room that are licensed and very reputable, and we all had a big lump in our throat when you said that.
We all take an oath, something that you suggested would quite frankly be illegal and unethical. I do know this developer and they are very ethical and reputable, and we did not go around
and find a traffic sub-consultant, the firm I work at we did not get involved. We made a recommendation of some top-notch firms that ACHD basically has worked with over the years and
has developed a trusting relationship with. That is the type of firm we steered our developer to, and they work directly with ACHD’s licensed Engineers and kind of go over the issues
and that is pretty much governed by both our state code of licensed Engineers and by very thick manual of trip generation manuals that everybody follows that are in the field. I hope
I can help out with your concerns on that item, ACHD really takes you seriously. That is their job. The roadways are what they control, and they are not going to sit down and be railroaded
by anybody. So we did go through a rather rigid process in working that out particularly the layout that is presented before you to really break apart Turnberry
and pull as much of the traffic to McDermott as we could. In fact, ACHD actually limited the number of vehicle trips going to Turnberry and offered some suggestions on how to lay this
out and that is pretty much why you have what you have before you. As Mrs. Anderson pointed out, McDermott was rebuilt a pretty good base in there, and I will add that ACHD requires
their impact fees from developers at the time of final platting and ideally those fees would be used for that area that development impacts.
De Weerd: Ideally.
Stanfield: But the funds are there and the developers required to pay it. ACHD did not require any improvements other than widening the roadway adjacent to the project. I did say they
would take over I believe that whole mile of McDermott road, so there would not be a jurisdictional hopscotch along there. I believe you have letters in you packet to address that. So
they did not bring up traffic light warrants at the intersections to the north and the south. Mercy Medical Center I think we all kind of over looked that. It is less than 5 minutes
away, and is available to the residents, obviously they are not going to answer any emergency calls, I doubt it because there are jurisdictions involved, but none the less it is available
to the residents of this area and to that area of Meridian. I think that is it.
Corrie: Okay, any questions?
Bird: I have none.
Corrie: Thank you Scott. Gary, I have a question maybe you can help me, I am a little confused. The pump station will be at the top of that where the purple is, right? Right here Gary,
is that where the lift station will be?
Smith: Yes.
Corrie: Okay, and everything this way is gravity flow to this? Now is their sewer line that would go to that, right?
Smith: Yes.
Corrie: So everything in here is going that direction and then that can be – how will this areas that come in, how will they get to the sewer plant? Do they have to do a lift station
over to the sewer plant, or will they be able to gravity flow right there?
Smith: Mayor, there is two different drainage areas that we are talking about. There is a Black Cat Trunk that will have a lift station at Black Cat and Five Mile drain that will sewer
property to the, generally the east side of Black Cat, and then this McDermott trunk will flow to the lift station that these folks are proposing
to build again on the Five Mile drain that would pump back to the plant. Two different drainage areas, two different lift stations, two different pressure lines.
Bird: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Yes.
Bird: Gary, how are we going to – I some of that up to the north of what they are showing is the pressure line back to the deal there going east west. Will some of that naturally flow
down to that area or will that all flow to the east into Black Cat?
Smith: Do you mean between McDermott and Black Cat?
Bird: Yes, and north of what they are showing.
Smith: And north of –
Bird: Where they are showing their pressure line coming off from the lift station.
Smith: I do not remember the drainage areas exactly, Councilman Bird, but I believe most of that property sewers back to the south into that same lift station.
Bird: Okay, so that will have to come down and the lift station, so they are putting in a large enough lift station?
Smith: I cannot answer that.
Bird: Or are we going to have two lift stations there?
Smith: No, I do not know the answer to that. There would just be on lift station, but I do not know how it is to be constructed.
Bird: Okay. Maybe Scott can answer that.
Stanfield: Scott Stanfield. I have been working quite closely with Brad Watson on this issue, and there will be at that location of the drain and McDermott road one regional lift station.
Our force main will be sized not only for our project, but as much as you can design it for future projects that may or may not dump into the lift station, further more the mechanical
piping, the size of the wet well, all of that stuff will have to be worked out with the engineering department recognizing that the city only wants one regional lift station instead
of one, two, three, or four.
Bird: Scott, then to expand on the Mayor’s question, between Ustick and where that pressure line comes across, now does that naturally flow back to McDermott to pick up because you just
told us, and I realize in a pressure line we are not going to be able to hook to it, so it is going to either have to flow back in before it
gets to the lift station to the west or it is going to have to naturally flow over to the Black Cat Trunk coming up. No I am talking below that to the south of it.
Stanfield: There is a break line in there that splits Black Cat and the McDermott trunk line. Most of it I would say roughly 2/3 of it drains to the west and to the north.
Bird: Okay, 2/3 of it on that mile is going to go back in and hit the sewer line before it gets to up to the pump station/lift station.
Stanfield: Correct. And I believe that is the same –
Bird: And there is about a ¼ of mile or a 1/3 of it that flows back into the Black Cat then comes up to that lift station.
Stanfield: Correct. And I believe even north of the drain the service area extends to the north slightly and pulls it down to the south to where the lift station will be.
Bird: And I understand that you guys are fronting the money and everything, but let us not fool ourselves. You are going to get latecomer’s fee to get it paid back.
Stanfield: Correct.
Bird: So it is not. The city does not have to put money up front because as Councilman Anderson said like the White Trunk, yes we are putting some money up front, but we are going to
get it back with our trunk fees and stuff like that the same as you guys will through your late comers fee. So let us not through it out that you are giving us 2-3 million dollars worth
of sewer.
Stanfield: That is true. Over time as other developers plug into this McDermott trunk line the city will force them through their development agreements to pay a set fee that will go
towards the McDermott trunk line fee. The city will collect that, and I believe they even at 10% interest on to it. Then portions of that will get returned back to the developer over
a 10-year maximum limit, and they are not going to get reimbursed 100%. They have to determine their costs associated with their development and anything above that the latecomers Agreements
would reimburse them for it. But they have to pay for theirs 100%, but you are correct.
Bird: I just wanted to clear that up that you guys were not just handing us 2 or 3 million dollars worth of sewer line without getting reimbursed.
Stanfield: Correct, but not reimbursed by the city.
Bird: No, not by the city by the future developers and the same thing as we will pay for White Trunk and the way we will pay for the North Slew and the Black Cat
Trunk and everything else. We do not mind having your money up front. I will be truthful with you. I do not.
Corrie: Thank you Scott.
Bird: Thank you Scott.
Corrie: Council, any other questions?
Anderson: I have none.
Corrie: Okay.
Nichols: Mayor, I do if I may. When was this revised plat delivered?
Stanfield: The 20th of February, and I have the transmittals here if you are interested.
Corrie: Any other questions Mr. Nichols? Any other discussion for the record on the Public Hearing? Hearing none, I will then entertain a motion, everyone is through as far as testimony
now for both issues the annexation and the Preliminary Plat that is all being tied in together? Does staff have anything else?
Smith: I do not Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Then hearing that, I will entertain a motion then to close the Public Hearing if you so desire.
Bird: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Before I make the motion, Council are we all done?
Anderson: Yes.
McCandless: Yes.
De Weerd: Yes.
Bird: Mr. Mayor I would make a motion that we close the Public Hearings the first one for Springdale subdivision the request for annexation and zoning of 118.4 acres to R-4, and also
the second Public Hearing for the request for Preliminary Plat approval of 385 building lots, 9 other lots on 118.4 acres in a proposed R-4 zone for the proposed Springdale subdivision
by Gemstar properties.
Corrie: I have a motion.
Anderson: Second.
Corrie: There is a second to close the Public Hearing on item 14 and 15 being the annexation and zoning of the proposed Springdale subdivision and also the proposed Preliminary Plat
of the Springdale subdivision. Any other discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor of the motion say aye.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Corrie: Council discussion on items 14 and 15?
Anderson: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Anderson.
Anderson: I will throw out my comments first and let the others fill in. I did have some concerns about this project and largest one I will save for the last. I think the density of
this project as Councilwoman de Weerd pointed out. I think the city would like to see as we get further from the city center maybe a little larger lot size and easing up on the density.
I also have some concerns about the roadway system out there, and again it is not the developer’s fault but it is something that is kind of we are just left with the problem even though
the impact fees get paid to Ada County Highway District. Those impact fees do not immediately get used to improve in the area where the project occurs. They can be used anywhere that
Ada County Highway District determines within certain areas. I have some concerns about that. I understand that most of the audience tonight are people who have an interest, who at some
point are probably going to sell their property, and I found it very interesting that the strategic location of this piece of property for development and then the extension of the trunk
line and what I see in the audience. I believe this would be the tip of the iceberg. Once this project was approved it would be followed by a glut of other projects from people selling
their acreages and there would be not 330 some homes but there would thousands of homes in this couple mile area there. That is what brings me to the real glut of my concern and that
is what I talked about earlier is the basic services that the city we feel like we are behind, and we are trying to catch up on those things. That is the police and the fire and the
parks and those types of things. It is also should be stated that the Autumn Faire Subdivision and the Turnberry subdivisions that those actually sewer from a different direction, and
while that may be on a temporary service line even when that does get serviced it is going to be service from a Black Cat Trunk line and not a McDermott trunk line so what we are doing
here with this piece of property is we are actually opening up a whole new area that would be serviced by this McDermott trunk line that the city just cannot handle that growth right
now. While I feel for those people and they know they want the ability to sell their property, I think that ability is still there. It is
a matter rather of the developer wants to develop in a little less density as a city would like to see, and I know that most of those folks that own that property are probably going
to take that money and they are going to move somewhere further out to be kind of in the same area where they are at now. It does not leave a whole lot there other than a real cluster
of tight homes that we are going to have a lot of difficulty servicing. Because this is an extension off to the west it spreads our services out even more, and even though there is a
fire station planned at Ten Mile Road for example when a fire response occurs when a structure fire that is only the first in engine company. That other engine company has to come from
Franklin Road down there. It is more than just one Engine Company that it takes to fight that fire, so we are extending that and spreading it even further. That is why the council is
looking at concentrating our efforts more with the development that does occur more central to the city and more to the north because that will be easier to serve with all of those other
services and will not continue to stretch the city out further and further with those extensions. The basis and my whole thing here is that we are way behind on basic services and that
this is going to literally dump not hundreds but probably thousands of homes into a problem that we already have, and I like I said I think it is going to be the straw that breaks the
preverbal back of the camel here. It is just not something at this point that we are able to handle, so I would not be in favor of bringing this project into the city.
Corrie: Next. Anybody else?
McCandless: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mrs. McCandless.
McCandless: We are talking about improvements to McDermott Road. One of those improvements would be turn lanes into the subdivision, and Ada County Highway District just cannot do things
in that time frame that you would need it or they do not. So I would think that it would take quite awhile to get some of that infrastructure to where it was suppose to be even after
they built the subdivision, plus you are talking about looking for school sites. I am sure you are cooperating with the school officials in trying to find sites for new schools, but
on the other hand, those are not going to built over night either. You are going to have to use the existing schools until those sites are found and the schools are built. It is going
to put a tremendous pressure on what we have already. So being consistent with my feeling that the basic infrastructure has to be in place before you even start building would be my
objection.
Bird: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I give a little different slant on it probably. While I do not like the high density that I would like to see lower density too, but I believe that the economy and the location
dictates that let us face the facts until we get out to south of Victory and get up some hills, we do not have the Banberries, the Highlands, the Spurwings we are never going to see
that in the City of Meridian. We just do not have the locations in the City of Meridian. We are going to see the 8000 to 12000 square feet lot. The one concern I have of this is I would
be really fighting for it for the developer if Autumn Faire Subdivision was done. Turnberry is done. I do not like the traffic within the subdivision itself. I think it is very tight.
There is too many culdesacs for fire and safety. I think it is a hazard. I think at this time I am like Ron, and if this is approved it probably would not fill out for 3 to 4 years,
but I know that that whole area is going to blow open. I think that we need some commercial. I think that is where Meridian might be lacking is in some of these sections we need to have
our little doctor office, convenience stores, little offices and stuff like that so that our citizens in those areas are not traveling through everybody else’s subdivision getting to
and from. It is nice, it is a nice subdivision, I would like to see the developer put in the sewer for us, but at this point I would love to see Autumn Faire Subdivision at least half
developed before that comes through. I am afraid we are going to get some out there and get half way there and sit.
Corrie: Any others? Okay, then I will entertain a motion to either except. Let us do the annexation and zoning first. So I will entertain a motion to either accept or deny the annexation
and zoning, Item 14, 1118.4 acres from RT to R-4 for proposed Springdale subdivision.
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Anderson: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Anderson.
Anderson: I would make a motion that we deny the request for annexation and zoning for 118.4 acres to R-4 for proposed Springdale subdivision by Gemstar Properties LLC east of McDermott
between Cherry Lane and Ustick Road and instruct the City Attorney to prepare Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law and Decision of Order.
McCandless: Second.
Corrie: Motion has been made and seconded to deny the request for annexation and zoning of Item 14 for the proposed Springdale subdivision. Any discussion?
Bird: Yes, within this motion for denial I would like to hear the gentleman that made the motion give some reasons why and what they would have to do to come back and get it approved.
Anderson: I believe I stated those in the open discussion before the motion was made.
Bird: Okay.
Corrie: Okay, any other comments, discussion? Hearing none, I request a roll call vote Mr. Clerk.
Roll-call: De Weerd, aye; Anderson, aye; McCandless, aye; Bird, aye.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Corrie: All ayes the motion to annexation and zoning on Item 14 has been denied and the Attorney to draw up the Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law. We do have one other one we
have to do. If we had to deny the annexation, Mr. Nichols do we also vote on the Preliminary Plat?
Nichols: Yes, Mr. Mayor you need to cover it.
Corrie: Now we will hear the motion for the approval of the Preliminary Plat.
Anderson: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Anderson.
Anderson: I would make a motion that we deny the Preliminary Plat approval for 385 lots and 9 other lots on 118.4 acres for proposed R-4 zone for proposed Springdale subdivision by
Gemstar Properties LLC east of McDermott between Cherry Lane and Ustick Road and instruct the city Attorney to prepare Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law and Decision of Order.
McCandless: Second.
Corrie: Motion made and seconded to deny the Preliminary Plat approval of the proposed Springdale subdivision on Item 15 and have the Attorney to prepare Findings of Facts and Conclusions
of Law. Any further discussion? Hearing none, a roll call vote Mr. Berg.
Roll-call: De Weerd, aye; Anderson, aye; McCandless, aye; Bird, aye.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Corrie: All ayes. The motion is carried of denial.
Item 16. Public Hearing: VAR 00-019 Request for a variance to exceed maximum building height of 35 feet and reduce the 30-foot setback requirement to 20 feet along the 63 feet of the
one-story section of the building for proposed Ameritel Inn by B & A Development – Eagle Road north of I-84:
Corrie: I believe that will conclude the City Council, we have the Public Hearing we need to take a motion to continue Item 16 until the 20th of March.
Bird: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Bird.
Bird: You need to open it first Mayor.
Corrie: You are absolutely right. At this time I will open the Public Hearing on the request for variance to exceed the maximum building height of 35ft and reduce the 30ft setback
requirement for the Ameritel Inn to continue the Public Hearing until the 20th of March. I will entertain a motion to that effect.
Bird: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I move that we continue that Public Hearing for the request of variance to exceed maximum building height of 35ft and reduce the 30ft setback requirement to 20ft along the 63ft
of one-story section of the building for proposed Ameritel Inn by –
De Weerd: Second.
Corrie: Okay, we have heard the motion to continue the Public Hearing for item 16 until the 20th of March. Any further discussion? All those in favor of the motion say aye.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
De Weerd: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd.
De Weerd: If there are no further items I move that we adjourn.
Bird: Second.
Corrie: Motion made and seconded to adjourn. All those in favor of the motion say aye.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 10:07 P.M.
(TAPE ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS)
APPROVED:
ROBERT D. CORRIE, MAYOR
ATTEST:
WILLIAM G. BERG, JR., CITY CLERK