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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2000 10-17 PreMeridian City Pre-Council Meeting October 17, 2000 The City Pre-Council meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order by Mayor Robert D. Corrie at 6:37 p.m. on Tuesday, October 17, 2000. Members Present: Robert Corrie, Keith Bird, Tammy de Weerd, Cherie McCandless, Ron Anderson. Others present: Shari Stiles, Gary Smith, Ken Bowers, Bill Gordon, Bill Nichols, Tom Kuntz, Will Berg. Corrie: I’ll open the Pre-Council meeting of October 17, 2000 at 6:37 p.m. What we’d like to do – Tom is going to give us first on the Item No. 13B 3, which is the master plan for Chateau and the 56-acre park. So, Tom if you would like to do that. Item 13. Department Reports: B. Parks and Recreation Director – Tom Kuntz: 3. Approval of Master Plan for Chateau and 56-acre park: Kuntz: Thank you, Mayor and Council. Before I start, I want to acknowledge there’s a couple of Parks and Recreation Commission members here tonight. Ed is here and Mr. Keller is also here. I’m sure they want to speak a few words as soon as I’m done here. What I’d like to bring before you tonight is the master plans for Chateau and the 56-acre park. What I’m requesting tonight is approval to move ahead with the request for proposals to secure a landscape architect firm that will actually start in the design phase of the park so that we can go out to bid in January so we can actually start construction in February or March as soon as we get some good spring weather. Hopefully, you’ve seen these plans before. They should be in your packet – a copy of the plans, but it’s kind of hard to read because it’s small, so I’ll real briefly go through Chateau Park first and what will be included in Phase 1. Just to get you acclimated with where this park is – it’s an approximately seven-acre park – 6.8-acre park. Over here on this side of the park, approximately a half block away is Ten Mile Road running north and south. To the right hand side of the park, approximately a half block away is Linder Road running north and south. Of course, it borders on West Chateau that runs between Linder and Meridian Road. As part of Phase 1, what that would include would be doing all the rough-grading – number one – and then the underground irrigation system for the entire site would include the utilities – electric, water and sewer for future restroom facility. Then the next part of Phase 1 would be the parking lot on the eastern part of the park. Grassing the entire area, there will be a perimeter pathway approximately six to ten feet in width for walkers and joggers and that type of thing. Also, in Phase 1, is the bathroom Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting October 17, 2000 Page 2 which is located right here. Also, there are trees that will be incorporated into Phase 1. Phase 2, which we will come for budget consideration next year – and hoping we can incorporate some sponsorships on these items would be the Tri- Court Basketball that would be in a shallow swell for drainage that will need for the parking lot as well. As it is right now, it’s connected to drainage that comes from the street and there’s a small swell here. We will put that basketball around in that area – the playground equipment and then the small picnic shelter here. Those three items, I guess we’re hoping that we can get some sponsorship or partnership with some different service clubs and get those things put in. So, that’s the master plan. This entire area is grass. None of it is skinned. We do plan on putting a backstop in this corner, but they’ll be no dirt cut-outs because the intent of this neighborhood park is to draw people from about a half-mile or mile radius – use for practices – not a game site. We will not program any kind of game activities on that site. It is a neighborhood park. Any questions? Bird: I have none. Corrie: Tom, is that that whole area where the park is at present? Kuntz: Yes. The present park is this triangle. There’s the border right there. This triangle is currently grass. There’s some playground equipment here which will come out. We’ll reuse as much as we can. Everything from this line over is bare dirt right now. The drain ditch was tiled last year that went on the perimeters here and into Five Mile and then we just installed a perimeter chain- linked fence on the north side. There’s already one on the western side there. The site is all fenced with chain-linked fencing. Anderson: Tom, I had a question. You indicated that the basketball court was going to be in one of the swells that would be drainage for the parking lot. Would that make it unusable after major rain storms? Kuntz: Well, we’re hoping to build the same kind of drainage system that we are contemplating for Bear Creek. That would be an underground seepage bed with a 6 – 12-inch pipe at the top of that seepage bed that would drain through this berm here and into Five Mile Creek. And then, if those two fill up, then the last thing to fill would be this small swell here. So there could be times when it would be underwater, but right now – when we had this big rain last week, we went out and took pictures. There were ducks in this area here on about an eight-inch deep pond. What’s happening is that there’s three drainage heads here in the street that are drained to this site. Unfortunately, the pipe that’s in this grease bin or whatever you want to call it – there’s no water coming out of that into the creek. There’s obviously some design problems which we will take care of. So to answer your question, there may be a short period of time where there would be some standing water in there. With this drainage system, we think that would be very minimal. Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting October 17, 2000 Page 3 Corrie: Any other questions? Bird: I have none. Kuntz: Do the commissioners want to say anything on this project? I guess the other thing that I’d like to point out is that even though you hopefully will be approving the master plan, that does not mean that there won’t be some tweaking and adjusting once we get a landscape architect on line and start another design phase. So, none of this is set in concrete. Of course, this will all come back to you at the point before we go to bid for your final approval once we’ve gotten the final design done. The 56-acre park – Meridian Road on the east, Ustick Road on the south – What we’re planning to do is Phase 1 this year. What that would include would be all the rough-grading that needs to be done. We will need to tile an irrigation ditch that runs from the eastern border to the western border – approximately the middle of the park. We will need to tile another irrigation delivery line that is on the northern border. We will put all the underground utilities in – electric, water and sewer. We will put the irrigation system in and grass the area. We will construct this 400-car parking lot. The area that you see is soccer field. Of course, it will be just grassed area that we can paint soccer fields on. They won’t be permanently etched in. I believe it includes the playground equipment and restroom facility, which I believe is located in here, but we’re going to move it up into here where it’s more centrally located. While we’re doing that, of course, we will stub to the perimeter with all the utilities so as we do Phase 2 and 3, they will be stubbed to those borders. I think that’s it. The other amenities that will be included in the next phases – in Phase 2 will be a five-plex little league facility that could be used for girls’ fast- pitch softball or boys’ and girls’ baseball – an additional 400-car parking lot. These are basketball courts – two basketball courts. We have a skate park and a roller hockey rink. Of course, we may be locating that at the middle school this year, so that would be deleted from the site. Then we have a zero-depth water feature that’s a spray feature which different spray toys. Then the other items will come as money is available or partnerships would be – all these picnic shelters that you see. This is a large corporate picnic shelter that could be used for reunions and those types of things. That currently is not in Phase 1. That will be added as we build the park out. Phase 3 would include two tennis courts. The water tank is being landscaped as we speak and then this would be kind of a open market area that could be used for anything from Farmer’s Market to arts and craft shows to festivals. That will be included in Phase 3. Any questions? Corrie: Tom. If this master plan is approved, are you for sure going to have five little league diamonds there and you’re going to have in Phase 3 an open air market down there. You can’t change it? Kuntz: As far as priorities, Mayor? Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting October 17, 2000 Page 4 Corrie: Well, no, not priorities, but what you’re going to have in it. We will pretty much stay with this set plan unless when we meet with little league or any other baseball organizations that we would like to partner with – if they say, “Well, for our needs, we only need four fields and financially we can afford that better.” We would certainly be willing to look at scaling that back. I’m not sure if that’s answering your question. Corrie: No. Are you definitely going to have that little league? Kuntz: Youth baseball. Are you asking about softball? Corrie: Adult softball. ] Kuntz: Right now, this is not slated for softball, but I don’t want to sit here and tell you that it’s for sure if you approve this tonight that that will be youth baseball. We may find that we may end up with three youth baseball fields and two softball fields when we get around to funding Phase 2. Corrie: Any other questions? Bird: I have none. Keller: I’d just like to say to the Council and the Mayor for giving the parks some priority in terms of financing. I’ve been through this (inaudible) process of trying to distribute funds before through budget and process for the Meridian School District. I know what kind of a task that is and the many challenges that you have and so forth. We would like to just mention to you also that this park master plan was developed through a public participation program. We had an all-night workshop – almost all night. It started at about 6:00 and went until about 9:30 or 10:00. We had a consultant with us and we started with a number of different elements that we may want to consider. Those elements were selected through a group process. Then, the next morning we met again for several hours and attempted to place those elements in the two parks. The public has had an opportunity. It was advertised. They had an opportunity to be there and see what was going on and so forth. I think in terms of what the elements are – not necessarily how many and where, this plan has pretty well been available to the public for their input. Then it has also been in work sessions with the Commission. We feel confident that we’re identifying the elements that the public would like to have in the park and trying then to proceed to get these developed as quickly as possible and utilize the funding that the Council and Mayor has been able to provide for the park. I’d just like to thank you very much for the funding that we have received so that we can get this park started. Bird: Thank you, Jim, and your commission. Keller: Thank you. Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting October 17, 2000 Page 5 Corrie: Thank you. Fong: I’d like to echo Jim’s comments as well. Thanks to the Council and Mayor for showing support for the parks and the need for parks in the city. I’d also like to point that – I think Tom probably forgot, but since I’m working on this Pathways Committee, here’s a pathway as well that’s designed into the 56-acre park much like Chateau which kind of reflects what a lot of citizens would like to see. We’ve got about nine citizens participating on a committee working on pathways as we speak. That’s good as well. Again, I think Jim mentioned that we did spend a lot of time talking about the design and trying to make sure that we’re incorporating all of the needs of the community and I don’t think – as Tom mentioned, I don’t think everything is locked in stone. We’re certainly hoping to – hearing as – if the needs change within the design and the completion of the parks, but I think when we get finished, we’ll have quite a few parks here that will meet a lot of needs for the citizens. I happen to live near Chateau. I walk by it everyday. I know it gets a lot of people there – kids in the afternoon. I know it will get a lot of activity and I know a lot of the neighbors there will use that park. I was just asking around a lot of people and they know what’s going to go there. There excited about it and I think it’s going to be a good beginning to getting the awareness of parks built up in the city of Meridian. I think that will help us get citizen groups to come forward and help us fund a lot of things that we need to finish this 56-acre park, which is what we’re just going to have to do. Thanks again. De Weerd: Thank you, Ed. For the record, that was Ed Fong and the first speaker was Jim Keller. Kuntz: I just wanted to add one thing. It was really difficult to come up with a plan that will meet all of Meridian’s community needs right now. What we’ve tried to do is come up with a plan that is about 2/3 athletic facilities and then 1/3 just open space. What the landscape architect did was to design a kind of an “S” shaped corridor through here that will be just opened grass area – parkland for picnicking and that type of thing. So, we’ve really tried to look at a well-rounded facility for the community. Thank you. Corrie: Thank you, Tom. De Weerd: Thank you. Corrie: Okay. With that, we’ll go back to Council. Anything on the Consent Agenda that you have questions on? Bird: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Bird. Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting October 17, 2000 Page 6 Item E. Tabled from October 3, 2000: Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law for Approval: AZ 00-006 Request for annexation and zoning of 12.73 acres from R-T to L-O and R-15 zones by Vicki Welker / Gold River Companies, Inc., for proposed Valeri Heights Subdivision – northeast corner of Pine Avenue and Ten Mile Road: Item F. Tabled from October 3, 2000: Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law for Approval: PP 00-005 Request for Preliminary Plat approval for proposed Valeri Heights Subdivision with 10 building lots and 2 other lots on 12.73 acres in proposed L- O and R-15 zones by Vicki Welker / Gold River Companies, Inc. – northeast corner of Pine Avenue and Ten Mile Road: Item G. Tabled from October 3, 2000: Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law for Approval: CUP 00-014 Request for Conditional Use Permit for proposed Valeri Heights Subdivision for a 128-unit apartment complex, townhouses and office on 12.73 acres in proposed L-O and R-15 zones by Vicki Welker / Gold River Companies, Inc. – northeast corner of Pine Avenue and Ten Mile Road: Bird: E, F, and G – Valeri Heights. We have not received the minutes from the meeting, and I believe that I don’t feel comfortable until I read the minutes – no reflection the attorney’s staff, but that was quite a detailed motion. It had a lot of conditions in it, so I would like to see us table that until the next meeting, which I believe is November 8, 2000 if the rest of the Council agrees. Corrie: Bill, I think – Nichols: Mr. Mayor, members of the Council. The attorney for the applicant called me this afternoon and would also like it moved to the 8 th so that they have an opportunity also to get the minutes and then submit a written position statement with regard to the draft findings. I think it would behoove us to make sure we get it right the first time, so I agree it should be tabled. Item D. Tabled from October 3, 2000: Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law: CUP 99-039 Request for Conditional Use Permit for planned unit development including continuing care retirement community, single- and multi-family residential and office and retail use by Touchmark Living Centers – Joseph A. Billig – east of St. Luke's between Franklin Road and Interstate 84: Tabled to November 8, 2000 Nichols: Mr. Mayor, on Item D, which is the Touchmark Living Centers Development Agreement – we’re still waiting for some information from them. Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting October 17, 2000 Page 7 They were going to get a corrected legal description and a couple of other items, so we’re still waiting on that. That’s not been signed yet. Corrie: Is there a possibility we’ll have that by the 8 th ? Bird: I don’t know. We’ve had it (inaudible) six months. Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Bird. Item J. Tabled from October 3, 2000: Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law for Approval: VAR 00-022 Request for a variance to use Meridian City water for irrigation in The Hollows Subdivision by Bond and Shelli Campbell – north of Ustick Road ½ mile east of Meridian Road: Bird: Item J – Mr. Manship would like that moved from the Consent Agenda to 1J on the Regular Agenda. We got a letter requesting that. Corrie: Okay. Any other questions? Is Shari here? Bird: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Yes, Mr. Bird. Item O. Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law for Denial: CUP 00- 041 Request for a Conditional Use Permit to construct a Fred Meyer’s Gas Station facility with a canopy, five multi-product gas dispensers, cashier’s kiosk and parking lot improvements in a C-G zone by Barghausen Consulting Engineers – Fairview Avenue and Locust Grove: Bird: We also, on O, had a letter requesting from Dakota Development a reconsideration of that, so do we want to pull that to the Regular Agenda and discuss it or – Corrie: I don’t know. What do you think? You’re the ones that voted on it. If you want to do that, you certainly can. Anyone of you can do it if you want to hear it. And then, what it is, before you vote – So, anyone of you want to do it? Bird: I’ll move it to 1O on the Regular Agenda if it’s agreeable to the other three Council people. De Weerd: 1O and 1J. Bird: 1J and 1O. Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting October 17, 2000 Page 8 Item E. Tabled from October 3, 2000: Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law for Approval: AZ 00-006 Request for annexation and zoning of 12.73 acres from R-T to L-O and R-15 zones by Vicki Welker / Gold River Companies, Inc., for proposed Valeri Heights Subdivision – northeast corner of Pine Avenue and Ten Mile Road: Item F. Tabled from October 3, 2000: Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law for Approval: PP 00-005 Request for Preliminary Plat approval for proposed Valeri Heights Subdivision with 10 building lots and 2 other lots on 12.73 acres in proposed L- O and R-15 zones by Vicki Welker / Gold River Companies, Inc. – northeast corner of Pine Avenue and Ten Mile Road: Item G. Tabled from October 3, 2000: Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law for Approval: CUP 00-014 Request for Conditional Use Permit for proposed Valeri Heights Subdivision for a 128-unit apartment complex, townhouses and office on 12.73 acres in proposed L-O and R-15 zones by Vicki Welker / Gold River Companies, Inc. – northeast corner of Pine Avenue and Ten Mile Road: De Weerd: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mrs. De Weerd. De Weerd: I have a question for the City Attorney. Bill, I have a number of comments written on my findings for Valeri Heights. Do you want me to just get those to you or save them until next week? They’re mainly dealing with some ACHD issues and that sort of thing. I didn’t know if you were referencing ACHD’s letter of the 15 th of August or if you were referencing the May comments, because there are some changes that weren’t reflected in the Findings – and also as well as the discussion we had on Gray Cloud Way. That wasn’t “if approved.” It was just that. Nichols: Mr. Mayor, Councilwoman De Weerd, members of the Council. If you want to give me anything that I can do to look at and then I can answer those, I would prefer to do it in the open meeting since we’ve already put out the draft findings. But if you have comments or questions or items that you think need clarified and then we get those along with the minutes, we can see what it is. Then we can deal with that. I would expect that would we’re going to have to do with these Valeri Heights Findings is it’s going to have to be on the Regular Agenda and not on the Consent Agenda. We’re going to have to go down through and make any corrections at that meeting with regard to specific findings and so forth. Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting October 17, 2000 Page 9 De Weerd: So take care of that next meeting. Nichols: But feel free to give me your stuff ahead of time so that I can look at it ahead of time. De Weerd: I will do that. Item Q. Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law: Request for a Variance of the requirement to tile the Safford Lateral by the Brighton Corporation for Ashford Greens Subdivision – north of Cherry Lane and east of North Black Cat Road: Corrie: And I’ll take that off the Consent Agenda. Shari, explain to me about Q. Stiles: This originally came up in 1995 and at that time, the staff had proposed an amendment to the tiling ordinance that was submitted to the Planning and Zoning Commission. The Planning and Zoning Commission did not act on the ordinance amendment and stated that they needed time to study it. It hasn’t ever gone back for workshops or has never been acted upon by the Planning and Zoning Commission. In the meantime, Golfview Estates, which is immediately south of this project and adjacent to the Safford Lateral did apply for and was granted a variance to tiling the Safford Lateral. Because the Final Plat is on the Agenda tonight for the property that is adjacent tot he Safford Lateral, we requested the City Clerk’s office to put the Findings back on the Agenda and act on them so that the plat can be acted on. It was basically tabled indefinitely for the ordinance to be redone and the ordinance was never redone. Corrie: Okay. Any other questions? Council? Mr. Berg? Item P. Water Sewer and Trash Delinquencies: Berg: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Item P, I believe needs to be put on the Regular Agenda so that you can read your paragraph and ask if anybody wants to have a hearing before the Council. I’m sorry I didn’t catch that when we did the Draft Agenda. Bird: Water, sewer – Berg: Water, sewer and trash delinquencies – I’m sorry that it’s on the Consent, but it should be on the Regular Agenda. If we want to do that as 1-P, that would be fine to keep it in consistency of how we’re doing Consent Agendas. We’ll make sure that that’s not of the Consent Agenda. Corrie: Ask that P be put to 12B – towards the last, like we always do. I can ask anybody that was here for that. Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting October 17, 2000 Page 10 Item 5. Tabled from October 3, 2000: FP 00-018 Request for Final Plat approval of 61 building lots and 3 other lots on 23.02 acres for Packard Acres Subdivision No. 2 by Packard Estates Development – south of Ustick Road between Locust Grove Road and Vintage Lane: Berg: I’m sorry that it was that way. The other item – and I’m pretty sure. Shari, correct me if I’m wrong. Item 5, I believe was tabled to November 8 th . Stiles: Yes. I think the motion was to November 7 th , but it should be the 8 th . That’s what the applicant requested. Berg: For the Packard Acres No. 2 Final Plat – and it was mistakenly put on there so that just needs to be tabled again. I’m sorry for that. Corrie: It’s the 8 th ? Berg: Yes. Corrie: Who requested that? Berg: The applicant. I believe the City Council had that motion the last meeting, and we just put it in the wrong place. This would clean up our agenda. I’m sorry about that. McCandless: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mrs. McCandless. McCandless: Was it decided what we’re going to do about that Fred Meyer’s Gas thing? Corrie: We’re going to put it as 1-O. We’ve got 1-J and 1-O and 1-P, I believe. That will be the items removed from the Consent Agenda so that we can discuss them. Anything else? Stiles: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Shari. Item 7. Continued Public Hearing from October 3, 2000: PP 00-014 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 5 building lots and 1 other lot on 8.29 acres for proposed Waltman Court Subdivision by John and Sandra Goade – Waltman Lane and SW 5 th Street: Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting October 17, 2000 Page 11 Stiles: Also, on the Regular Agenda, I had a phone call with Tony Hickey, who is representing the applicant on Waltman Court Subdivision that’s No. 7 on the Regular Agenda. They are working very diligently with Ada County Highway District trying to resolve some matters and would like to get some things in writing from Ada County Highway District and have asked that that be continued to November 8 th . Corrie: That’s a public hearing? Continue that one until the 8 th . Okay. Anything else? Anderson: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Anderson. Anderson: If there are no other items on this, then I’d like to request an executive session according to – Bird: I’ll second it. Corrie: Motion made and seconded to go into executive session. Any further discussion? All those in favor of the motion say aye. MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES. Corrie: Okay. I’ll close the Pre-Council hearing at 7:10 and we’ll go into executive session. Corrie: I’ll entertain a motion to come out of executive session. Bird: Mr. Mayor. I move that we come out of the executive session. Anderson: Second. Corrie: Okay. Motion made and seconded to come out of executive session. All those in favor, say aye. MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES. Bird: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Bird. Bird: I move that we close the Pre-Council meeting. Anderson: Second. Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting October 17, 2000 Page 12 Corrie: Motion made and seconded to close the Pre-Council meeting at 7:15. All those in favor of the motion say aye. MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES. MEETING ADJOURNED AT 7:10 P.M. (TAPE ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS) APPROVED: ROBERT D. CORRIE, MAYOR WILLIAM G. BERG, JR., CITY CLERK