HomeMy WebLinkAbout1998 06-16MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING JUNE 16. 1998
The regular meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order at 7:30 p.m.
on June 16, 1998 by Council President Charlie Rountree.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Ron Anderson, Keith Bird, Glenn Bentley, Charlie
Rountree.
OTHERS PRESENT: John Prior, Gary Smith, Bill Musser, Brad Hawkins -Clark,
Wayne Crookston, Kenny Bowers, Tom Kuntz.
MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING HELD JUNE 2,1998:
Rountree: Is there any discussion, corrections, comments?
Bird: I make a motion that we approve the minutes from the June 2nd meeting.
Anderson: Second.
Rountree: It's moved by Councilman Bird seconded by Councilman Anderson to
approve the minutes of the meeting held June 2, 1998. All those in favor?
Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All aye.
ITEM #1: CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION
AND ZONING OF 1.8 ACRES TO C -G BY TOM BEVAN — 3020 W. FAIRVIEW
AVENUE:
Rountree: Anyone — I have someone that would like to speak to that. For
Council, this item and item #2 were continued last meeting because Mr. Bevan
wanted to have an opportunity to read the Findings of Fact and Conclusions of
Law.
Prior: Ma'am, would you state your name and address, spell your last name for
the record please.
Todd: My name is Cheryl Todd, my address is 1010 N. 20th Boise, ID. 83702.
CHERYL TODD WAS SWORN BY THE CITY ATTORNEY.
Todd: Good evening City Councilmen, my name is Cheryl Todd and I'll be
representing Mr. Bevan while he's out of town. Mr. Bevan has reviewed the
changes that you suggested and he would like to request that upon his
acceptance of the recommendations that you've changed that the City Council
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would go ahead and approve the annexation and zoning for the 1.8 acres located
at 2030 Fairview.
Rountree: Okay, thank you. Any questions?
Bentley: I have none.
Bird: I have none.
Rountree: This is a continuation of the public hearing, is there anyone in the
audience that wishes to speak to this item? Seeing none, is there any discussion
Council?
Bird: I have none.
Bentley: I have none.
Rountree: I'll close the hearing. What's your desire in terms of a motion for
annexation?
Bentley: I have one quick question for Gary. Gary, has everything been
answered and taken care of to your satisfaction?
Smith: Yes.
Bentley: Okay, thank you.
Bird: Mr. President, the public hearing is closed, right?
Rountree: Yes.
Bird: I move that the Meridian City Council hereby adopts and approves these
Findings of Fact and Conclusions.
Bentley: Second.
Rountree: It's been moved by Mr. Bird and seconded by Mr. Bentley to approve
the Findings of Fact and Conclusions.
ROLL CALL VOTE: Mr. Bird — yea, Mr. Bentley — yea, Mr. Anderson — yea.
MOTION CARRIED: All yea.
Rountree: Is there a recommendation?
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Bird: Mr. President, I move the Meridian City Council grant the conditional use
permit requested by the applicant for the property described in the application,
however should the application be approved the applicant shall satisfy the
conditions set forth in the Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law or similar
conditions as found justified and appropriate by the City Council and that the
property be required to meet the water and sewer requirements, the fire and life
safety codes, uniform fire code, parking requirements, the paving and
landscaping requirements and all ordinances of the City of Meridian. Conditional
use should be subject to review upon notice to the applicant by the City.
Bentley: Second.
Rountree: It was moved by Mr. Bird and seconded by Mr. Bentley to the
recommendation as read. All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All aye.
ITEM #2: CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL
USE PERMIT FOR A RETAIL SHOPPING CENTER (CHELSEA SQUARE BY
TOM BEVAN -- 2030 W. FAIRVIEW:
Rountree: We'll continue this public hearing, you need to be sworn —
Prior: Once again we need to have you state your name for the record.
Todd: My name is Cheryl Todd, I'm located at 1010 N. 20th Boise, ID. 83702
CHERYL TODD WAS SWORN BY THE CITY ATTORNEY.
Todd: Again for item #2, Mr. Bevan is requesting that the conditional use permit
for a retail shopping center would be approved by the City Councilmen. Are
there any questions?
Bentley: I have none.
Bird: I have none.
Rountree: Again, this is a continuation of a public hearing, anyone in the
audience wish to testify? Any discussion? I'll close the public hearing. Any
questions from staff?
Bentley: Yes. Gary, is everything in order for the CUP on this?
Smith: I believe that they have complied or they are agreeing to all of the staff
conditions so I don't have any other comments to make.
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Bentley: Thank you.
Rountree: Any further questions?
Bentley: I have none.
Rountree: I need a motion for action on the conditional use permit.
Bentley: Mr. President, I would move that the City of Meridian hereby adopts and
approves the Findings and Facts as presented to us for this CUP by Planning
and Zoning.
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Rountree: It was moved by Mr. Bentley, seconded by Mr. Bird to approve the
Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law for the conditional use permit.
ROLL CALL VOTE: Mr. Anderson — yea, Mr. Bentley — yea, Mr. Bird — yea.
Rountree: Is there a recommendation?
Bentley: Mr. President, the City of Meridian hereby grants a conditional use
permit requested by the applicant for the property described in the application
however the application should be approved, the applicant shall satisfy the
conditions set forth in these Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law or similar
conditions as found justified appropriate by the City Council and that the
property be required to meet the water and sewer requirements, the fire and life
safety codes, uniform fire code, parking requirements and the paving and
landscaping requirements and all ordinances of the City of Meridian. The
conditional use should be subject to review upon notice to the applicant by the
City.
Bird: Second.
Rountree: It's moved by Councilman Bentley, seconded by Councilman Bird to
approve the conditional use permit with conditions as stated. All those in favor?
Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All aye.
ITEM #3: REVISED FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW:
REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A HOME DAYCARE:
WENDELL & KATHLEEN LAWRENCE — 889 N. FILLMORE WAY:
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Rountree: Do you have those revised Findings? Are there any questions of staff
or Council on those? Do you have something more you want to add Mrs.
Lawrence?
Lawrence: Actually I just have a question. Is there an actual permit that we
receive? Just because Health and Welfare asked for it when they came out.
Rountree: Well to be honest with you since I've never asked for one, I've never
seen one so I don't know if you get a piece of paper or not, Council can you help
Prior: Kathleen all you can do is — you can take the conditional use permit and
show that you got an approval signed off and they'll give you a copy of that and
that should be fine.
Lawrence: Okay, great.
Bentley: Mr. President, I have a question for Kathleen. Have you read,
understand and agree to all of the changes and stuff in the Findings?
Lawrence: Yes.
Bentley: Okay, thank you. A question for staff, for the Planning and Zoning
Department, is everything in order on this for the changes that were
recommended?
Rountree: This is your test Brad.
Hawkins -Clark: Well the review as you know has been done by Shari and in my
four days at the office I have not had a chance to thoroughly review the file so at
this point I can simply reply that Shari did not pass on any comments to the
negative on that file.
Rountree: Thank you.
Anderson: Mr. President, I make a motion that we approve the Findings of Fact
and Conclusions of Law and that the Meridian City Council hereby adopts and
approves these Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law.
Bird: Second.
Rountree: Moved by Councilman Anderson, seconded by Councilman Bird to
approve the Findings of Fact and Conclusions.
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ROLL CALL VOTE: Councilman Anderson — yea, Councilman Bird — yea,
Councilman Bentley — yea.
MOTION CARRIED: All yea.
Rountree: Is there a recommendation?
Bentley: Mr. President, the Meridian City Council hereby approves the
conditional use permit requested by the applicant for the property described in
the application for the conditions set forth in these Findings of Fact and
Conclusions of Law but the applicant shall not care for more than seventeen
children and that the property shall be required to meet the water and sewer
requirements, the fire and life safety codes, the uniform building code and other
ordinances of the City of Meridian. The conditional use permit shall be subject to
annual review upon notice to the applicant by the City.
Bird: Second.
Rountree: Moved by Councilman Bentley, seconded by Councilman Bird to
approve the request for the conditional use permit for up to seventeen children.
All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All aye.
ITEM #4: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONLUSIONS OF LAW: REQUEST FOR
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SECOND BUILDING FOR A FUEL
ISLAND BY ALBERTSON'S, INC. — SOUTHWEST CORNER OF W. CHERRY
LANE & TEN MILE ROAD:
Rountree: Any questions of staff or Council or of the applicant?
Bentley: I have none.
Bird: I have none.
Anderson: I have none.
Rountree: Motion on the Findings?
Anderson: Mr. President, I make a motion that Council approve the Findings of
Fact and Conclusions and the Meridian City Council hereby adopts and approves
these Findings of Facts and Conclusions.
Bentley: Second.
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Rountree: Moved by Councilman Anderson and seconded by Councilman
Bentley to approve the Findings of Fact and Conclusion.
ROLL CALL VOTE: Councilman Anderson — yea, Councilman Bentley — yea,
Councilman Bird — yea.
MOTION CARRIED: All yea.
Rountree: Is there a recommendation?
Anderson: Mr. President, I recommend the Meridian City Council hereby decides
based on these Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law the conditional use
permit requested by the applicant for the property described in the application is
denied.
Bentley: Second.
Rountree: Moved by Councilman Anderson, seconded by Councilman Bentley to
deny the application for conditional use permit. All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All aye.
ITEM #5: REQUEST FOR PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLAT FOR 2.67 ACRES
(L -O) BY STEVEN K. RICKS FOR MIDTOWN SQUARE NO. 2 FOR LAND
LOCATED SOUTH OF CHERRY LANE AND WEST OF W. 4T" STREET:
Rountree: Is the applicant here? Come forth and it's not a public hearing so you
don't have to be sworn, just explain what's going on and answer questions.
???: The project was actually built about four years ago and we platted the
project as Midtown Square Park. In the process of obtaining long term financing
this year — excuse me, it was platted as one lot, there are now four buildings on
the lot and I've got long term financing in place for the first phase which consists
of two buildings and as we're dealing with the lender, the lender wanted rather
than a meets and bounds legal description on a portion of the one lot, the lender
wanted us to subdivide it into a specific lot so it would have a lot and block
number and it's the only thing that we're doing with this application because of
the time frame as Shari said we could file for a preliminary plat and a final plat at
the same time which she was kind enough to allow me to do and we had the P &
Z hearing last week, there is no opposition all that we're doing is splitting what
was once a one lot office park into a two lot office park so we can have a legal
description for the lender. There were two or three very minor adjustments that
Bruce asked for on the plat and those have been taken care of and resubmitted
to Gary's office today so basically I just need the Council's approval so we can
gather some signatures and record it.
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Rountree: Okay thank you, any questions?
Bird: I have none.
Anderson: I have none.
Rountree: Of staff?
Bentley: Gary, have they met all your requirements and no problems?
Smith: Yes they have, no problems.
Bentley: Thank you.
Rountree: Any discussion? I need a motion for a request either to approve or
deny the preliminary and final plat for the application.
Bentley: Mr. President, I move we approve the preliminary and final plat for 2.67
acres for Midtown Square No. 2.
Bird: Second.
Rountree: Moved by Councilman Bentley, seconded by Councilman Bird to
approve the preliminary and final plat for subdivision Midtown Square No. 2.
All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All aye.
ITEM #6: TURNBERRY SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT:
Rountree: Do you have any questions of Council on that or staff?
Bentley: I have a question for the attorneys, if everything is in order on this?
Prior: I'm going to be in a little bit of a disadvantage here, I don't have a copy of
that in my file that was provided, I don't know if you — oh, maybe it is, excuse me,
but I think it's best that Wayne address this because he prepared the
development agreement.
Crookston: Yes, I'm Wayne Crookston, I'm City Attorney for Meridian. I have
gone over this development agreement probably three or four times, they've
made the changes that I requested and I think it's ready to be adopted.
Bentley: Thank you.
Rountree: Any other questions? I need a motion.
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Bird: Mr. President, I make a motion that we accept the development agreement
with the Turnberry Subdivision and that the Mayor to sign and the Clerk to attest.
Anderson: Second.
Rountree: Motion made by Councilman Bird, seconded by Councilman
Anderson to approve the development agreement for Turnberry Subdivision.
ROLL CALL VOTE: Councilman Bird — yea, Councilman Bentley — yea,
Councilman Anderson — yea.
MOTION CARRIED: All yea.
ITEM #7: SHERBROOKE HOLLOWS SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT
AGREEMENT:
Rountree: Questions, council or staff?
Bentley: Mr. President, I would ask the same question of the City Attorney as to
whether this agreement has been done as in proper order.
Crookston: I'm Wayne Crookston, City Attorney for Meridian. I have reviewed
this Sherbrooke Hollows subdivision development agreement on two different
occasions and it is fine, it's ready to be adopted.
Rountree: Thank you Wayne.
Bentley: Mr. President, I move we approve the Sherbrooke Hollows Subdivision
development agreement, authorize the Mayor to sign and the Clerk to attest.
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Rountree: Moved by Councilman Bentley, seconded by Councilman Bird to
approve the development agreement for Sherbrooke Hollows Subdivision.
ROLL CALL VOTE: Councilman Anderson — yea, Councilman Bentley — yea,
Councilman Bird — yea.
MOTION CARRIED: All yea.
ITEM #8: FINAL PLAT FOR SPARKLING SPRINGS SUBDIVISION BY
SPARKLING SPRINGS DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION — SOUTH OF
USTICK AND WEST OF N. MERIDIAN ROAD:
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Rountree: Is someone representing Sparkling Springs Sub here? If you'd come
up in case there's some questions.
Holman: I'm the developer, my engineer's evidently running late or has some
(inaudible) I'll try to answer any questions you may have.
Rountree: We'll need your name.
Holman: For the record it's Mike Holman, 1213 Alplar Boise, ID.
Bird: Have you had a chance Mike to review these staff comments and stuff on
the general comments?
Holman: No, I haven't.
Bird: They came out on June 9t"
Holman: I haven't but I think the engineer would have brought something up if it
would have been different from what we've been expecting.
Bentley: Question for staff. Gary, on the site-specific comments have you or
Shari's office received written response to them?
Smith: Yes, we have. The response that we received from the engineer for the
project indicates they'll comply with all of the requirements that we've set forth,
our conditions.
Bentley: Thank you.
Rountree: Here he comes. Now the answer guy is here are there any questions
for him? If you'd give us your name Mr. Eddy.
Eddy: You guys are too fast today. Charles Eddy, what may I answer?
Bird: You have seen the comments from the staff already and agree with them
or have replied to them?
Eddy: Yes sir, we have. There was — I need to hand out -- if you haven't seen it
— the plat that we submitted the lot lines we're in the process of re -adjusting due
to comments by ACHD concerning the new offset requirements for drainage
ponds in the relationship to lot lines. If you look at lot 6 of block 3 which is in the
far north west corner of the development there is a drainage pond there.
Comments received back from ACHD required us to place our lot lines on the —
or place the pond in relationship to the boundary on the north and on the west
ten feet from the top of the pond to the boundary on the south ten feet to the lot
line and on the east twelve feet for maintenance access. In doing that we made
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several lots in block 3 substandard to size. To alleviate that and make the lots to
the standard I shifted the north upper springs street to the east twenty feet, those
two roads are not locked into any location to anything to the north, the land is
vacant to the north. So in essence what has happened is we've shifted the lot
lines in an east west direction approximately twenty feet. The dash lines indicate
where the lot lines were originally on your submitted what you have in front of
you. The lot lines that we show in the darker symbology are where we have
them currently. We haven't lost any lots, we haven't gained any lots. What it's
done is allowed the lots to become a better configuration, enabled the developer
to place a decent house on the lot.
Bentley: Mr. President, what has that done to your square footage size?
Eddy: The lots are all above the 8,000 minimum range in the block 3 portion
range from 8,500 — they probably average close to 8,500 and then block 4 and
block 5 they're considerably larger due to the our distances from the north
boundary are more than a hundred feet and they are a minimum 80 feet wide.
Bentley: Okay. Mr. President, question for staff. Gary, have you had a chance
to review this change?
Smith: Charles brought it over tonight at about 5:15 and he talked to me earlier
today on the phone concerning the requirement by the Highway District. I don't
have any problem with the adjustment of these lot lines to conform to the
requirements of the Highway District, we haven't seen any actual dimensions on
the lots but Charles is aware that we do have the 8,000 square foot minimum, as
I remember these lots were all exceeding that by a good amount in the beginning
so the only lot that suffers anything as far as decrease in size is lot number one
which is the first lot in off Meridian Road on the north side of the access road and
I believe that was a landscape lot anyway so the building sites themselves have
not changed in square feet appreciably.
Bentley: Okay, thank you. Kenny, is there any problem with the Fire on these
changes?
Bowers: Mr. Bentley, President, and City Council, I had talked to Mike on the
phone last week, we discussed the turn arounds for those two roads there and I
thought it'd be better to take the — being only two lots long I thought it'd be better
to take the turn grounds out of it, I thought it'd create more problems by putting
the turn arounds in. I don't have a problem with this plot the way it is now.
Bentley: Okay, thank you.
Eddy: And to clarify, the turn around easements will remain in there, it's a
requirement for ACHD, I've been in discussion with them today and their
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indication to me is we can reduce the size that's shown on your plan, we can
reduce them to a twenty -foot wide by thirty -feet from the edge of pavement which
equates to 21 '/2 feet from the right-of-way.
Bentley: Did you leave a copy of this for Clerk?
Eddy: Yes, I did.
Rountree: Any other questions?
Bird: I have none.
Bentley: I have none.
Rountree: Okay, what's your pleasure?
Bentley: Well Mr. President if nobody else has got any questions I'll move that
we approve these amended final plats for Sparkling Springs Subdivision.
Bird: I'll second it.
Rountree: It's been moved by Councilman Bentley, seconded by Councilman
Bird to approve the amended Sparkling Springs final plats. All those in favor?
Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All aye.
ITEM #9: FINAL PLAT FOR THE LANDING SUBDIVISION NO. 10 BY A. LEON
BLASER — EAST OF LINDER ROAD AND SOUTH OF FRANKLIN ROAD:
Rountree: Is there a representative from — again, we could have done that by
consent.
Eddy: I'm doing double duty tonight. Charles Eddy.
Rountree: Any questions of Mr. Eddy?
Bird: Mr. President, Mr. Eddy have you had a chance to comment on the staff's
comments and stuff?
Eddy: Yes, we have.
Bird: Everything —
Eddy: Yeah, everything is in accordance and in agreement, we don't accept any
of the conditions. Oh excuse me, there was one clarification that I have, on
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number 12 of the site specific comments, the staff comment states please
provide verification that the minimum house sizes meet ordinance requirements
for the entire development. My question is what is defined by verification and
entire development?
Bird: What's the zoning? Gary, can you answer that question?
Smith: I'll give it a try Councilman. I think that, I could be wrong but I think when
The Landing Subdivision started out — well when Bruce Freckleton reviewed this
he has different percentages of different size houses on here and I'm not sure
that that's — although Shari and Bruce both signed off on that requirement, I don't
recall that on an R-4 development that we had a breakdown for different house
sizes, I know we did for R-8. I guess I can't explain that exactly, the ordinance
now states that an R-4 zone requires a 1400 square foot home minimum.
Eddy: The preliminary plat was approved under the old R-4 zone which was
minimum 70 -foot frontages, 8,000 square foot lots however I don't remember the
house size minimum.
Smith: I'm sorry, I don't either, I'm not sure, I know there was a breakdown on
percentage of house sizes for the R-8 zones, I don't know if that carried into the
R-4.
Bird: Mr. President, either one of the counselors, can they tell us?
Crookston: Mr. President and Council, I don't recall the exact date when The
Landing started but at some point and time minimum house size was 1350
square feet and I think that that applied to the R-4 zone.
Rountree: That rings a bell with me for what that's worth but I can't swear to it
and I don't remember that there was a mix for R-4.
Crookston: I think what our ordinance allows now, let's say you're in an R-8, you
have to make an election to have various size houses but I don't think that was
done in the R-4 zone when The Landing was brought on.
Bird: That sound logical Gary?
Smith: Mr. President and Council members, that's the way I remember it too, I
just don't recall a mix of homes being allowed square footage wise in an R-4
zone. I do recall it in the R-8 and I think there still is an option for the R-8 zone to
mix your house sizes percentage wise.
Crookston: That's correct.
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Eddy: So in regards to the staff comment, verification as I understand it would be
submitting documentation on the previous zone that would allow us to put the
house sizes that we currently show on the plat.
Bentley: Mr. President, I hate to sit here and try to answer somebody else's
questions and answers. Without Shari here and without Bruce here I don't know
how we can pull from this what their intent was from this statement. I would offer
a — we could offer up a motion that we could take and approve this subject to
clarification of what item 12 is between staff and the developer and if they can't
get it resolved then have them come back to us with it and maybe we can get a
little more history on it this because all of us are in the dark as to what the
situation is so if that's acceptable to —
Bird: Is that a motion?
Bentley: I will make it such.
Bird: I'll second it.
Rountree: Any discussion?
Smith: Mr. President, Council members, I just noticed on the plat in the R-4
zones typically we have a note that states the house size shall be a minimum of
so many square feet, that note is not on here however in the legend there is a
reference to a minimum house size excluding garage on specific lot and that
legend is a number that's in a box in the legend. Now on the plat itself each lot
has that number in a box so they're indicating by that that, that is the square
footage required on each lot, square footage of each house required on each lot
and that's where Bruce Freckleton made the determination of the percentages of
the 1,100 square foot, the percentages of the 1,200 square foot and the
percentages of the 1,300 square foot homes so I guess from that standpoint I'm
sorry that I didn't recognize that when I looked at it first but it is a designation of
square footage on each lot and in the past there must have been a certain
allowable percentage of each size home within the subdivision that's being
platted.
Bird: So that 1300 minimum doesn't apply here.
Smith: Well apparently not on this subdivision. I can only say from the
standpoint of what's been presented in the final plat that they would need to meet
and verify that they meet I guess is the reason for that comment that they meet
that square footage mix that's been previously approved on other phases of this
subdivision as far as percentages.
Bentley: Do you understand that now?
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Eddy: Yes.
Smith: Sorry, I overlooked that.
Rountree: Mr. Crookston?
Crookston: Thank you Mr. President and Council, I'm pulling this out of my hat if
you will, but I don't recall that there was a way to have variable size houses in the
R-4 zone. It may be in the ordinance but I don't recall that.
Rountree: I think Charles is about to show us.
Eddy: I'm in the dark too on this particular item.
Rountree: Per your motion Mr. Bentley, do you want to withdraw it with a
withdraw and second and maybe rephrase the condition?
Bentley: We may have to yes.
Bird: I'll withdraw my second.
Bentley: I'll withdraw my motion.
Rountree: Now that we're all sufficiently confused maybe Mr. Eddy can shed
some light on this out of this fog.
Eddy: You're putting a lot of pressure on me. I'm just referring back to The
Landing No. 7 and seeing what we may have done with it. We didn't designate
on the plat itself in such the way that we did on The Landing No. 10 or are doing.
This one does have a mix, The Landing No. 7 does have a mix of houses
however they are 1,300 to 1,400 on it.
Bird: Is that an R-4 too?
Eddy: It's the same zoning as the rest of nine Landings.
Rountree: Same size lots, 70 -foot frontage?
Eddy: Yes.
Rountree: Okay.
Bird: We can pass it on that condition if you guys want to but — and they can go
ahead but I think we're — I mean our counselor over here's telling us that on R-4
they don't believe that we can do it.
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Bentley: We can put the restrictions on?
Bird: That they can be that (inaudible)
Bentley: Mr. President, I'd like to have a view from the counselor as to what their
opinion is, you've stated that you don't believe that that is applicable?
Crookston: I'd have to take a look at the zoning ordinance again but I don't recall
that that's available in the R-4 zone. I can go take a look at the zoning ordinance
book.
Rountree: We could continue this discussion after about 8:30 if Wayne could get
that resolved, if you don't mind waiting Mr. Eddy?
Eddy: I planned on being here till 10:00 anyway.
Bentley: We don't.
Rountree: We're on a record setting pace —
Eddy: I see that.
Bentley: My personal preference is if we can get this ironed out tonight and get it
out of here.
Bird: I agree.
Rountree: So I would — I don't know if we need a motion to just continue this for
the next few minutes and just go on to the next item on the agenda. Just defer
for consideration.
Bentley: Yes, I agree with that.
ITEM #10: FINAL PLAT FOR ENGLEWOOD CREEK ESTATES SUBDIVISION
NO. 2 BY ENGLEWOOD CREEK DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION — WEST
OF N. TEN MILE ROAD AND SOUTH OF USTICK:
Rountree: Come on up.
Tomlinson: Council members, my name is Richard Tomlinson, I work with
Hubble Engineering, 9550 Bethel Court in Boise, Idaho and I'm very happy to be
up here this soon.
Rountree: Any questions for the engineer?
Bentley: Have you reviewed the site specific comments?
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Tomlinson: Yes, I have and I sent a letter off on Friday, hand delivered it to the
City, basically I agree with everything that staff has recommended so if those are
the only things that needed to be considered.
Bentley: Question for staff. You may as well just keep it there Gary.
Smith: Mr. President, Council Members, Rich has responded in the affirmative to
all of our requests and I don't think there are any points of dissention here so —
Bentley: Thank you.
Rountree: Any other questions?
Bird: I have none.
Bentley: I have none.
Rountree: I'm going to ask a question of Gary. I know in some subs where
we've had potential nuisance situations come up, case in point was the horse
stable and subs off of Meridian Road that we had the developers put signs at the
end of that subdivision indicating that this was agricultural and don't bother the
horses and that kind of thing. I don't know that we've had any complaints from
the development that's occurred on the corner at this location but I'm wondering if
it might not be to our advantage to have a note on the plat and potentially ask the
developer to put a sign in the area that they are adjacent to the Meridian Sewage
Treatment facility, has anybody given any thought to that? Just a forewarning
because you know what kinds of complaints are potentially going to come out of
that.
Smith: Yes, sir. Mr. President, Council Members, I guess we haven't given any
thought to actually signing the subdivision, I've always made it a practice to make
that common on the public record that everybody realizes where this subdivision
is in relation to The Wastewater Treatment Plant and I know the plat is a good
place to put things as far as notes and notices and so forth and I try to keep the
plat as clean as possible and utilize it as a survey document because that's really
what it is but I also understand that that is probably the only thing that — or that
and the covenants are the only things that the property — the people that
purchased the lots actually see and they may not see the Wastewater Treatment
Plant a quarter mile to the north and a little bit to the west physically.
Rountree: I just point that out to get it back on the record.
Smith: Yes.
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Eddy: Were there on the previous subdivision — this is the first phase that we've
worked on in this particular subdivision but we're — the Englewood Creek Estates
No. 1 were there some people that had called and complained, I didn't know that
that might be a problem. Yeah, I'd rather try — if we could work something into
the CC&R's that seems like it might be — you know, you can actually word
something in there a little better, if we had to put something on the plat I mean if
it would help us tonight I'd sure look at putting something on the plat, I don't know
when it gets to John Priester's office if he reviews those and what he has to say
about things like that, I'd have to talk with our surveying department and what
kind of information is essential to the plat and what's kind of —
Rountree: Just understand the situation that's been discussed.
Eddy: I understand, I certainly do.
Rountree: Any other questions?
Bentley: I have none.
Bird: Mr. President, (end of tape) — approve the final plat for the Englewood
Creek Estates Sub. No. 2.
Anderson: Second.
Rountree: It's been moved by Councilman Bird and seconded by Councilman
Anderson to approve the final plat for Englewood Creek Estates No. 2.
Discussion?
Bentley: Is that running, I heard it click.
Rountree: It went the other way, it did what it's supposed to do.
Bentley: Well I didn't see a tape in the other side is why I asked.
Rountree: I have a motion and a second. All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All aye.
Rountree: Wayne, do you have an answer for us? We'll go back to item #9, final
plat for The Landing Sub. No. 10.
Crookston: I don't know when The Landing started but this ordinance was
passed or it was amended in 1992. The way that our ordinance now reads is
that in the R-4 zone you have to have 1,400 square feet, now there may be a
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question as to when this started out, there's no doubt about that but that's how
our ordinance reads now, 1,400 square feet.
Rountree: And our current ordinance was passed in 1992?
Crookston: The way that it reads now was passed in 1992, I'd have to go back
and look on my computer to know how it read prior to that.
Bird: When was The Landing started?
Crookston: That I don't know.
Bird: Mr. Eddy, can you —
Eddy: I can't tell you the date but it was prior to 1992 1 can almost assure you
that.
Crookston: It could be.
Bird: I think you're right.
Bentley: I'm looking for something with a date on it but I can't find a thing.
Rountree: I don't think there's anything on the application.
Eddy: I don't have the recorded plat of #9 in front of me but I do have a
photocopy of that and there is a mixture of 1,100, 1,200 and 1,300 square foot
lots on #9, again that doesn't tell us anything for sure but —
Bird: Is there a date on it?
Eddy: Number nine was recorded August of last year.
Anderson: Wayne, my question is if something is started for development after a
new ordinance is passed would it have to meet the new ordinance then?
Crookston: It does not have to do that, I was just looking over here on an
opposite page that indicates that particular ordinance on that page was passed in
1988.
Rountree: Ten years ago.
Crookston: But the entire initial ordinance was passed in 1984 and how it read at
that time and how it read prior to 1992 1 don't know right now.
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Rountree: Any more discussion?
Smith: Mr. President, I think there has been a precedence set here in terms of
the square footage of the houses that have been allowed within the subdivisions
of the previous phases, I can't tell you for sure what that precedence is, what the
percentage mix is but I think that Charles is referring to The Landing #9 indicates
that there was a mixture then in #9, the way the plat was presented for #10 the
intent was to have the mixture there. I think the reason for this comment by
Bruce and Shari was to verify that the percentage mix is in accordance with what
had been established in the previous phases, I'm maybe reading between the
lines here but I think that's what the intent of their comment was and apparently
at the time they reviewed this they weren't sure that that mixture, that percentage
was the same as what it had been in the past. Now the previous plat with the
mixture of home sizes has been approved by the Council at least on #9 for sure
and I don't know how far back this goes but —
Eddy: Would the comment be better suited if it was to say please verify the
minimum square footages within The Landing #10 development meet the
applicable zoning ordinance prior to signature by Gary Smith.
Bird: Mr. President, I think if we read that close I think that their comment is like
Gary said you read that through and I think they just wanted to make sure that
the house sizes meet the ordinance requirements for the entire development and
I take it that #9 and all the rest of them is included in that entire development. I
think the plat was presented this way and the other previous ones have been
done.
Rountree: Glenn?
Bentley: I'll go back to my original motion. I still feel that I'm not willing to sit here
and second guess just like Gary said he didn't want to second guess either and I
think that we could pass this pending the clarification of staff with Charles Eddy
as to what the total meaning of twelve is so that if there's any confusion they can
bring it back to us so I would offer that motion again.
Bird: And I would second it again.
Rountree: It's been moved and seconded by Councilman Bentley and seconded
by Councilman Bird to approve the final plat for The Landing Sub. No. 10 with the
condition that there is a resolve as it relates to the percentage of various size
square footages within the lots within the entire subdivision. All those in favor?
Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All aye.
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Rountree: Department Reports, Gary? Excuse me, Gary if you don't mind I've
got Steve Youngerman here who's got an issue that he wants to bring before
Council.
Bentley: Is it hamburgers?
Rountree: No, brewskies.
Youngerman: Do I have to be sworn in or anything?
Bentley: Just say who you are.
Youngerman: I'm Steve Youngerman, local entrepreneur. I was approached
about a week and a half ago to do the Meridian Dairy Days street dance which
was an event that they'd had down in front of Bill and Lynn's, it was sponsored by
Remax Realty and when those guys moved it was kind of let go and I realize this
is kind of the eleventh hour to talk to you guys about this but — so the first person
I called was Chief Gordon because I thought that that was you know a good guy
to talk to and he said that he thinks that the operations I run are good, clean
operations and he was willing to let us do that. We want to do the street dance
on the old Lumberman's site. We've lined up a band, we've got a co-sponsor,
Arch Paging which is a new business that is moving to Meridian, it's going to be a
free event, we've got a fifties, sixties, seventies rock and roll band called The
Corvairs lines up. There will be beer as well as soft drinks. Anyway, and then
talked to Mayor Corrie and he thought I should broach the subject with you
gentlemen and see what we thought about it. We would control it so that there
wouldn't be any violation of the open container law in the city, it would end at
11:00 p.m., 7:00 to 11:00 and I don't know if you have any other questions,
there's probably something else I should have told you.
Bird: This Saturday night?
Youngerman: Saturday night the twentieth.
Rountree: At least that's how it's advertised.
Youngerman: Well I don't know if they're advertising it yet but this is one of those
deals that we kind of pulled out of our hat so anyway.
Bentley: Have you talked to the residents down there by the truss place?
Youngerman: Well I don't know if there are any residents, the one thing about
that site is that there's —
Bentley: There is down by Valley Truss.
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Youngerman: Is there? I haven't — I mean this is one of those deals where
somebody brought it up and I said I'd take a stab at it and see what we can do.
You know one thing about is it's a Dairy Days event which is downtown which is
kind of rare, it'll be a free event because we've got a good co-sponsor and you
know I don't want to have any — I mean I don't want to even think about what
happened at Eagle Days last year, nothing like that's going to go on, we've got a
fence enclosure so we can make sure we don't have any violations of the open
container law, my liquor license is valuable enough to me that we won't over
serve people so — and I've never heard this band but the people I've talked to
about them say they've got a pretty wide appreciation amongst a lot of people so
anyway I just thought a couple of things, I'm a business man and it's a chance for
me to make some dough but at the same time it's an event for downtown
Meridian during Dairy Days and you know last year — and not to say anything bad
about Dairy Days but last year it almost seemed like the only thing that was going
on at Dairy Days was the carnival, I don't know how much of that money stays in
town but not very much of it so anyway —
Anderson: So you're proposing doing all of this back in the fenced area, back
where the lumber storage was, that's where the band will be?
Youngerman: You bet.
Anderson: And then are you going to put on extra security people or how are
you going to police that?
Youngerman: Oh yeah, we'll — I mean you've got one entrance and egress, we'll
have ports -potties and we'll make sure that no boos gets out.
Bentley: Can you have the band face their speakers so it's away from the
residential track?
Youngerman: Yes, I'll have them face towards First Street.
Bentley: That would be helpful.
Bird: There's enough buildings around there that should be a —
Youngerman: Yeah, and again one of the things when I talked to Chief Gordon
he says you've got to shut it down at 11:00, 1 have no problem with that, that's
past my bedtime anyway so —
Rountree: Any other questions?
Bentley: I have a question for Wild Bill.
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Musser: I'll see if I can answer it for you.
Bentley: You've been apprised of this request?
Musser: I had a brief discussion with the Chief and with Lieutenant Bowman and
I think that was at least a week if not a week and a half ago, at that time
Lieutenant Bowman and I did voice some concerns as to the open container
access between three bars and where we would have a street dance also with a
catering permit for alcohol within the same block area, we felt that that was an
issue that needs to be addressed, I hear Mr. Youngerman stating that those
concerns were brought to his attention so as far as that that's about the only
information I really have in reference to this request at this time.
Youngerman: Well this fence setup really kind of lends itself to this deal so and
we would have created some sort of a — but it's just kind of there so —
Bentley: Right, but he brings up the point of people coming across the street with
liquor —
Youngerman: Yeah well I know that we do everything we can to make sure at
Harry's people don't walk out the door with a beer or drink in their hand, I can't
speak for the other owners but we would do everything we could.
Bentley: So it's a free event but it caters to adults only?
Youngerman: Well it caters to adults, there's got to be some way that it's an all
ages event, I've got to figure that out and I — I don't know where that —
Anderson: You'd better hurry, Saturday's getting close.
Youngerman: I know, well you know I kind of — the best way to do these things is
kind of pull them out of your hat but —
Bentley: Another guy with a hat.
Youngerman: I know, it's a big hat let me tell you.
Bentley: Okay, thank you.
Prior: I've got one question for you. Did you obtain any necessary permits from
Youngerman: I've got a catering permit right here that I was going to give a
check to the City for so I mean like I said the first thing —
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Prior: I guess my question is about your particular liquor license. Who's liquor
license is going to be used for this thing?
Youngerman: It would be off Harry's.
Prior: Now does your liquor license enable you to serve alcoholic beverages
outside the premises of your thing, I don't recall the Idaho Code, I think there was
something saying that it's limited to the premises of your —
Youngerman: Yeah, but I'd just be doing beer and I think the beer is controlled
by the City and the City will give you a keg permit.
Anderson: Beer's controlled by the City.
Youngerman: We wouldn't be doing —
Bentley: He has to get a permit from the City.
Youngerman: Yeah and Will Berg gave that to me today and so anyway.
Rountree: Chief, do you have any life safety issues?
Bowers: How about our events coordinator here?
Kuntz: This is the first I've heard about it and I really don't care to comment on it.
Youngerman: Well next if we do it we'll try to maybe think about it more than a
week ahead of time but like I said I got approached about it just about a week
and a half ago.
Bentley: Well this isn't the first time they've walked in the door two days before
on the same event either —
Youngerman: I don't like doing that but —
Bentley: I understand this was just handed to you but we gave a pretty stern
warning about doing this two years ago, walking in the door on this thing.
Youngerman: What Chief Gordon said was that he was never in favor of the one
down at — I don't know what you call the place across from Cherry Plaza but that
there'd never been a problem and his feeling was that we do it, if it was a
problem we'd talk about that for next year.
Bentley: Okay, thank you.
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Rountree: Any other questions, comments, discussion?
Bentley: I have none.
Rountree: Motion?
Bird: Mr. President, I make a motion that we allow this street dance to go on and
to — I don't know if we need a motion for the catering license or not that's just a
law so I just make a motion that it goes on.
Rountree: Motion's been made to approve the request for Dairy Days street
dance at the old Lumberman's site on the corner of East First and Broadway.
Motion made no second.
Bentley: Second.
Rountree: Motion was made by Councilman Bird, seconded by Councilman
Bentley to approve the street dance at the stated location. All those in favor?
Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: Two in favor, one opposed (KB & GB, RA).
Bentley: You do have the right to vote, you don't lose your right to vote because
you're sitting —
Rountree: I know that but what do you do in the case of a tie?
Bentley: She votes.
Rountree: (Inaudible) Okay, now Department Reports, thanks for waiting Gary
and department heads, Steve you've been warned.
ITEM #11: DEPARTMENT REPORTS:
A. GARY SMITH:
1. TWO PARTY AGREEMENT BETWEEN ACHD AND CITY
OF MERIDIAN — NW 8T" STREET PARKING AND
DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
Smith: Council President, Councilmen, the first item I have is a two party
agreement between ACHD and the City of Meridian on our drainage and parking
lot improvement at the north end of northwest 8th Street. This agreement
submitted to us by ACHD and it's been reviewed by Wayne, on page 3, the
second line under item #3A, 48% is the number that was added there to
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delineate the involvement of the district in the cost of the improvement of the
drainage section for this project and that was Wayne's suggestion that that be
added, I've talked to Darryl Hansen at the Highway District and he concurs that
that's fine but this is a vehicle to permit the Highway District to reimburse the City
of Meridian for 48% of the cost involved in the storm drainage segment of the
parking lot improvement, it amounts to about $12,000.00 reimbursement.
Anderson: Is that pretty much what we were expecting when we started the
project?
Smith: Yes sir, the engineers estimate was pretty close to that.
Rountree: Any other questions for Gary?
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Rountree: We need a motion.
Bird: Mr. President, I move that we accept this two party agreement for the
parking lot pipeline and retention basin construction on northwest 8th Avenue in
Meridian and for the Mayor to sign and the Clerk to attest.
Anderson: Second.
Rountree: Motion made by Councilman Bird to approve the two party agreement
and seconded by Councilman Anderson.
ROLL CALL VOTE: Councilman Anderson — yea, Councilman Bentley — yea,
Councilman Bird — yea.
MOTION CARRIED: All yea.
2. CONTRACT WITH CIVIL SURVEY CONSULTANTS FOR
PUMP AND PUMPHOUSE AT WELL NO. 19.
Smith: Thank you Mr. President, Council Members, the second item I have is a
contract request for the design and the construction coordination of the pump
and pump house for well #19 located in Englewood Creek Estates Subdivision on
Lot 1 Block 5, Civil Survey Consultants of Meridian is the engineering firm that
has presented this proposal to us and Civil Survey has been doing our pump
pump house projects for well house #15, their scope of services is virtually the
same as what they have provided in the past, they have proposed a time and
materials contract with a not to exceed amount of $11, 774.50. We would utilize
as much of the details as exists on the previous well houses that would be
appropriate for this one so we're not doing something over twice and they've also
estimated a fee for their construction services to be approximately $8,803.50,
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that would also be on a time and materials basis as their services as needed for
that aspect. They have done a good job for us in the past, they are very
responsive and they put out a quality set of bid documents and they're very
thorough.
Rountree: Questions?
Bird: Yeah, Mr. President, the $8803.50, is that not to exceed or is that just an
estimate?
Smith: That's just an estimate Councilman. I think that the — their location here
in Meridian, they don't spend a lot of time getting to the job and back to their
office and with the experience that they've got in the previous projects, every
project seems to have it's own little peculiarity but continuing to refine that
particular type of project I don't expect to see very much out of the ordinary
expenses beyond what they're estimating it will take but we'll do as much in
house as we can in terms of the contract administration.
Bird: Gary, this $8,803.00, is this yours or their estimate?
Smith: That's their estimate.
Bird: And you've had no problems with — I mean these guys are —
Smith: They've been very fair, their chargeable rates I would say in comparison
to other consultants they're not significantly less but they're noticeably less per
hour and they only have a four man shop so they don't have a high overhead to
contend with and they're all project involved people they're not administrative
overheads.
Bird: Mr. President, you're asking for a contract for this service?
Smith: Yes sir, approval of this proposal.
Bird: I move that we accept this proposal as it's stated with one not to exceed
$11,774.50 and the other one approximately $8,803.50 and for the Mayor to sign
and the Clerk to attest.
Rountree: Motion made, second?
Bentley: Second.
Rountree: Motion made by Councilman Bird, seconded by Councilman Bentley
to approve the well #19 contract proposal for $11,774.50 not to exceed for the
engineering work and $8,803.50 estimate for construction engineer.
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ROLL CALL VOTE: Councilman Bird — yea, Councilman Bentley — yea,
Councilman Anderson — yea.
MOTION CARRIED: All yea.
3. CONTRACT WITH CIVIL SURVEY CONSULTANTS FOR
WATER & SEWER LINES IN MERIDIAN AND FRANKLIN
ROAD REBUILD.
Smith: Thank you Mr. President, Council Members, the last item I have is a
contract again with Civil Survey Consultants for construction surveying for the
Meridian Road / Franklin Road sewer and water installation as part of those two
roadway rebuild projects. At a side note, the Highway District opened bids let's
see, I want to say it was on the 10th, six days ago and they have a low bidder,
Boise Paving is the contractor for the project and there are three piping
contractors that will probably be working on the project for our end of it, for the
sewer and the water. Combined bid for sewer and water was $394,000.00, we'd
estimated $450,000.00 so it came in somewhat under our estimate. This
contract as part of the two party agreement that we presently have with the
Highway District, we have to provide the construction staking for the sewer and
the water line installation. In this contract proposal from Civil Survey will do that
work, they will stake the sewer, the water main lines for construction and they'll
stake sewer service connections and sewer stub outs from the manholes for time
and materials, estimated cost of $5,200.00. They were by the way the designers
of the sewer and water project for us in that roadway project. They did the
design originally.
Rountree: Questions?
Bird: I have none.
Anderson: Mr. President, I make a motion that City Council approve the
agreement for professional services with Civil Survey consulting for the staking of
the sewer and water lines on the Franklin Road improvement, the Mayor to sign
and the Clerk to attest.
Bird: Second.
Rountree: Motion made by Councilman Anderson, second by Councilman Bird
to approve the consultant professional agreement for construction survey staking
for sewer and water lines.
ROLL CALL VOTE: Councilman Anderson — yea, Councilman Bird — yea,
Councilman Bentley — yea.
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MOTION CARRIED: All yea.
Smith: Thank you Mr. President, Council Members, I have a invitation to bid for
Generations Plaza that I'd like for the President of the Council to sign so we can
get it in the paper.
Rountree: Good job!
Bird: Can't we hold it up any longer Tom?
Kuntz: You can.
Rountree: You can if you want.
Kuntz: Sure.
Bird: I just got ate alive yesterday by them guys over that.
Smith: It's been a wrestling match for my Assistant Engineer Brad to coordinate
the plans that were prepared by several different people and get a set of plans
that could be set out for bid so that the contractors could build it and we're still
not real comfortable with it but it's going out the door so —
Rountree: First off, please extend our appreciation to Brad for the time he spent
on this, I know he did a lot of extra work on it and he got a lot of different direction
and etcetera.
Smith: I will do that, thank you.
Crookston: Mr. President and Council, Tom, did you talk to Mr. Thierhouse?
Kuntz: No I didn't, I talked to someone else (inaudible)
Rountree: (Inaudible) we have the easements.
Crookston: We have the easements?
Rountree: We don't?
Crookston: No, we don't.
Bird: You don't have the utility easements yet.
Crookston: We don't have the construction easement or the electrical power line
easement. I have been dealing with Mrs. Thierhouse's attorney and he told me
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the other day as I told Tom that she was not going to sign it because she had an
offer to buy the property and she didn't feel that she should sign those
easements until that sale was done and so the new buyer would be the person
that we'd have to deal with.
Rountree: Shed some light on this because I know you have a little bit.
Kuntz: I pursued Betty Thierhouse and Eric Thierhouse in the last couple of days
and was not able to talk to either of them so I contacted who I thought was the
potential buyer of the property Mr. Holloway. I spoke with him today and he
actually has the easements in his hands and would like to talk to the committee
responsible for getting the construction package put together and we have that
meeting planned for Wednesday and we'll be discussing the easement and some
other issues.
Bird: Yeah but he can't give the easements if he hasn't bought the property.
Kuntz: Understand.
Rountree: Did he give you a time line on that?
Kuntz: No, he just said that he just got them and that he was looking at them, he
had a couple questions for me and I answered those questions and left
messages with both Betty's home answering machine and Eric's place of work so
Rountree: How long do you expect this bid to advertise?
Smith: I think we've got a begin advertisement on June 26th and isn't it a open on
July — I don't remember the date — July 23rd
Rountree: July 23rd
Bird: I make a motion that we go ahead with the advertisement (inaudible) we
can always extend the bid if we get down to the end of it, it's done all the time in
government entities to extend the bid but let's get it out there and get the people
working on it for criminy out loud.
Bentley: Second.
Rountree: Motion made by Councilman Bird, seconded by Councilman Bentley
to get the bid out. All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All aye.
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Rountree: There you go. Thank you Gary. Tom?
Kuntz: Acting Mayor and City Council, just a couple of items, one just for
informational purposes, as part of Dairy Days the Meridian Merchants
Association will be hosting events in our Storey Park, included in those events
will be food vendors, entertainment, children's activities, arts & crafts vendors
and educational. We've been working with them for about two weeks now to
coordinate the effort and to establish a fee to cover our costs as far as garbage
staffing levels and those type of things, so I just wanted to make you aware that
this is happening this Friday from 12 noon until 9 p.m.. Tully Park update, we'll
be starting to put up fencing, the fencing company will be out on site tomorrow
and they will start setting their posts for the fencing. I know that the parking lot
and the street widening of Linder is ready to be paved, my understanding is that
that will be paved next week so we're off and running at Tully Park, it's kind of
exciting. I brought a form with me that may be something you want to consider
for the street dance. It's a citizen's use permit application, this one is for Dairy
Days and it's primarily for the parade but it does have some verbiage that might
become useful if the dance gets out of hand. One of the paragraphs read, upon
my/our failure to provide adequate security I understand that we be liable for any
reasonable fee from the City of Meridian for providing these services. It's also a
hold harmless thing and it might be advisable to have something like this even
though it is on private property, just a suggestion.
Anderson: Has it been reviewed by legal counsel?
Kuntz: This one was approved by Ada County Sheriff's Department, Meridian
Fire Department, Meridian City Council, Keith Bird, ACHD, Meridian Police
Department and then it was signed by the Mayor.
Bird: That's just the permit for —
Anderson: No, I mean your proposed agreement thing that you're talking about,
has that been looked at by any legal counsel people to --
Kuntz: Which proposed agreement?
Anderson: The one you were just reading off.
Kuntz: This one?
Anderson: Yeah.
Kuntz: It's a standard form.
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Bird: That's a standard form Ron that you can get (inaudible) race or use in the
streets but we're going on — that's a private property.
Prior: I'd like to make a point while we're on the subject of this dance. Obviously
you folks are under a different impression when we were talking about and I
inquired about the necessity of obtaining a beer license and a number of you
noted that it's not necessary, that it's covered by a municipality and I disagreed
with you at that time, I should have voiced a stronger concern about that because
I went back to my office and pulled the particular title 23 chapter 10-09 and I'll
quote this from this particular section that says, "said licenses and this talks
about retailers local licenses to sell beer to the general public, said licenses shall
at all times be prominently displayed in the place of business of the licensee and
shall be issued only for the particular premises described therein." What it says
folks is that contrary to what we just told that gentleman beer licenses are only
supposed to be for the sale and that was my initial inclination and when I passed
that beer, wine and liquor license I recall coming across this, I probably should
have spoke a little more but beer licenses are only supposed to be for the
particular premises that are described in the license and that folks this applies to
a county as well as a municipality license, so bar licenses are specific to the
premises described in those licenses and it's not something that a person who
wishes to use that license can go out and apply it to a parking lot across the
street from his premises.
Bird: Where do you get your catering laws? They're broken all the time then if
that's the truth because you don't go get a license just to have a catered event —
Prior: What you do is you obtain a catering license from the (inaudible)
Bird: That's just exactly what he was doing through the City of Meridian. The
City of Meridian —
Prior: What I'm saying though is you may have to obtain a catering license from
the county as well and I don't believe he's done that and if we follow what state
law says here it says that license — he's basically testified that his license — he's
using his beer license for his premises to sell beer at that thing, he can't do that
under Idaho Code.
Bird: He can if he gets a catering license.
Prior: Okay, he can get a catering license —
Bird: And that's what he'd getting and a catering license don't —
Prior: From the City of Meridian.
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Bird: From the City of Meridian, if it was hard liquor then he has to go through
the whole route.
Prior: So what you're saying then is you're telling me that contrary to what it says
in this code this guy doesn't need to get a beer license, is that what you're telling
me?
Bird: He needs to get a — he doesn't have to get a new beer license, he has to
get a catering license.
Prior: Well I just want to let you know that I disagree with what Councilman Bird
says in this regard because I think it says something contrary to that but entirely
it's you folks to make the decision.
Bentley: Mr. President, Bill, when we have these events around town and the
City Clerk has us sign off on beer and wine permits I believe they are.
Musser: Mr. President and Mr. Bentley, in reference to the discussion that's
ongoing that's exactly what the City does is the City ends up approving on a
catering permit where the license it's on and established a premises can be
moved off temporarily for that period of time which has been approved, that falls
under the municipality exceptions under the state code and allows them to be
able to do that but it has to be approved, it has to carry stamp during that time
and it doesn't apply to hard liquor, that one requires all three permits to be routed
through, it can be state, county and municipal.
(Inaudible)
Musser: The question that I'm hearing from the counselor is that whether or not
the County needs to be involved, where it's strictly municipality it's my
understanding on it and the way we've done enforcement in the past that the
municipalities have that overriding authority to be able to do it within the confines
of their incorporated city limits, if it was outside the incorporated city limits and
the license was held by somebody within the city limits, then they would have to
apply for that in the County and also probably notify the City that they were going
to be out of their premise during that time.
Prior: That's not what this says. It's up to you, I mean you can ask Wayne if you
want but I'm telling you that's not what this says, you folks do whatever you want.
Bird: I just have gone off of Counselor that we have done it this way and my
understanding has always been that as long as we stayed within the city limits of
Meridian the local license can be used as an off premise catering for a certain
amount of time, I mean you can't take it off for a year or anything like that then if
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they go out in the County then you have to have the County approval too but
unless the law has changed that's the way I'd always understood it John.
Bentley: Mr. President, since we've got two different trains of thought on this
maybe it would be appropriate for City Attorney's office to contact the A.G.'s
office and get a rating from them.
Bird: I would second that.
Rountree: Motion made by Councilman Bentley, seconded by Councilman Bird
that we address the concern as to the level of authority that the municipality has
with regard to issuing a temporary beer license for catering purposes within a
municipality without the authorization from the county. All those in favor?
Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All aye.
(Inaudible)
Kuntz: Just a point of clarification for me, the special events ordinance that I'm
working at, I was assuming did not pertain to private property, is that correct or
not correct? Do you want it to apply to private property also?
Bentley: Yes. I know in conjunction with the Chief I think if you talk to him he's
going to say yes because one of the reasons on some of this stuff was the
original dance so I would say clarify it through him whether he thinks it should be
applied to both and then the Council can make a decision whether it applies to
both.
Kuntz: Okay. The last item I have is just some direction. The High School
tennis courts are in need of repair and I pulled out the joint service contract from
those courts and it doesn't state anything as far as financial sharing in repairs of
those courts. The repairs necessary are fairly substantial, I've received two to
three estimates and they range from a low of $60,000.00 to a high of $80,000.00
and I guess I just need some direction either tonight or the next planning meeting
as to what if any commitment you'd like to see the City make towards repairing
those courts.
Rountree: Any questions?
Anderson: I'm not familiar with it so tell me how does the City use the tennis
courts, do we do that through our Recreation Department or —
Kuntz: The agreement was that once the courts were built is that the City would
be allowed to use them, city participants would be allowed to use them, after
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school activities are using them and actually in the agreement it states during the
school year and then in the summer months that we would maintain them,
including the restroom area so June, July and August we maintain the restrooms
and the tennis courts September through May they maintain them but there's
nothing in the agreement that really addresses repairs to the courts. The original
courts were built according to this agreement built by the School District although
it appears that they received some grant monies through the State Parks and
Recreation but I can't find anything verbiage on the amount of cost or how much
the grant was or anything to that affect so —
Anderson: Are these just the ones at the High School, it doesn't include the
Middle School, we don't have use of those?
Kuntz: Yeah, no, it's the six course at the High School.
Rountree: Has the school indicated a willingness to participate?
Kuntz: They have. The offer that they're pursuing is that it would be a 50/50 split
and they have budgeted $24,000.00 and I've talked to the Superintendent and
they're willing to up that to cover their half of the repair costs and I can go into the
repairs if you want to but I —
Anderson: Are the repairs in the form of concrete or paint and nets and fence or
what are they?
Kuntz: They're in the form of fabric, sealing the cracks, fabric two-inch overlay,
repairing one corner of the southwest corner needs to be dug up, roots removed
and blocked and that area patched and then the fabric and then the overlay and
the new coating.
Anderson: What is the fabric you're talking about? Explain that to me.
Kuntz: It's a fabric that would keep the cracks, hopefully keep the cracks and
moisture from working it's way up into the new asphalt, I'm not an asphalt man so
(—
Anderson: You'd know what it is.
Rountree: Yeah, it's a engineering fabric, technical fabric, it keeps the cracks
that are existing in the pavement or paved surface from reflecting up through into
the new. At least that's what they say it does.
Bird: How much does it cost to put in a new one?
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Kuntz: A new court would be a completely brand new court taking the existing
fencing down, rebuilding those courts would be about $80,000.00 so the low is
$60,000.00 with the overlay and eighty for the —
Anderson: So those courts are asphalt, they're not concrete?
Kuntz: No, they're asphalt.
Bird: They are in bad, bad shape.
Kuntz: And the reason I'm bringing this to you now is the School District would
like to get this done during the summer months instead of waiting until fall. I
haven't discussed with them the idea of them paying for the entire project with
reimbursement from the City out of our 98-99 budget so that would be one
consideration.
Rountree: That might be something that we have to look at.
Bentley: I think that would be what they'd have to look at.
Bird: Yeah, you don't have that extra money in there, do you Tom?
Anderson: If he did he would have bought some land by now.
Rountree: As I recall, the line item budget for maintenance of the tennis courts is
$1,000.00.
Bentley: You left some zero's off didn't you?
Kuntz: We have money in the path project.
Rountree: Not since they just signed that okay to bid because that money's
going to pay for that.
Kuntz: But I think they would need a pretty firm understanding that we would —
there would be a reimbursement from the City before they would enter into an
agreement like that, that's an issue I can address with them if you'd like.
Bentley: I have a question. What's the difference between that and their softball
fields at all their schools?
Kuntz: I would say the tennis courts are limited in the number that they're on the
City (end of tape) -- that there is a larger user group of tennis and a larger age
grouping than softball players so if your question is why wouldn't we participate in
the construction of their softball field and we would participate in the construction
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of their tennis courts I think the tennis courts benefit the community as a whole
versus the softball fields are for a select group.
Bentley: Okay.
Rountree: Any other questions?
Anderson: Not a question but a comment is I guess that until we get into the
budgeting process I don't see where we can make a firm commitment on
anything at this point.
Rountree: We'll talk about that in a budget planning session soon.
Kuntz: Thank you.
Rountree: Anything else Tom, that's all?
Kuntz: Nope.
Bentley: Oh, I have one for you Tom. You could take it over there. I asked Gary
a question here about a week ago about the light on the back side of the
maintenance shed over there at the restrooms at Tully, is that light going to shine
down or is it going to shine in the backyards of the people.
Smith: I talked to Brad about that and he was checking the fixture to make sure
what the light dispersion was on it but I did pass your comment along to him with
the understanding that we didn't want the light shining into those backyards.
Bentley: Okay, thank you.
Rountree: Thanks Gary.
Musser: Mr. President and Council, I have nothing to report for the Police
Department this evening.
Rountree: And I'd like to officially welcome Brad.
Hawkins -Clark: Thank you.
Rountree: It's your opportunity to report.
Hawkins -Clark: Well, with six days in the seat — no, I look forward to the chance
to work with you.
Rountree: Welcome aboard. Kenny?
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Bowers: Mr. President and Council, next week you will be seeing fireworks, tents
and booths being set up so it's that time of the year again, the only thing we hope
is that it stays raining or cold weather. The other thing I had is I would like to
thank the Council and the City for allowing us to go to the seminars from
Blakeslee and Associates, it has been very worthwhile I believe, the department
heads we have sit down and worked in committees and everything was very free
and open and we talked about you guys quite a bit and I'm sure you guys will
hear about it from Blakeslee and she had a lot of stuff for us to consider, to work
through from you guys so I think it was very worthwhile to go through. Thank
you.
Rountree: Thank you. Mr. Crookston, do you want to present the request on Mr.
Max or do you want me to just handle that as my item?
Crookston: I think that you can handle that as your item, it's — I've certainly read
it but it's the Council that needs to take the action on it.
Rountree: Okay. Mr. Bentley, I know we're getting really close but I need a five
minute break.
Bentley: Oh, okay.
Bird: I make a motion that we adjourn for five minutes.
(FIVE MINUTE BREAK)
Rountree: Mr. Bird?
Bird: I have nothing.
Rountree: Mr. Bentley?
Bentley: I have nothing.
Rountree: Oh man, oh man.
Bentley: But I'll think of something.
Rountree: Mr. Anderson?
Anderson: Councilman Bentley and myself met with the Firefighter's Union —
was that last week or —
Bentley: Last Wednesday.
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Anderson: Last Wednesday and worked about halfway through the contract and
we've got another meeting scheduled for July 8th and it was a very positive
meeting and things are moving forward on that front and that's all I have to
report.
Rountree: Well I'm sorry gentlemen but I have a laundry list.
Bentley: Do we need to take notes?
Rountree: IEC, what do we want to do? We did not get to that last meeting and
we were going to, do we want to pursue a membership with them?
Bird: Charlie or Mr. President I'm sorry —
Rountree: That's fine, I know who I am.
Bird: I think being from a company that's been involved with it for thirty some
years I think it's money well invested, they can do about anything for you from
municipality or for a private. I would like to pursue, see the Council pursue a
membership into it, talk to them about some contracted stuff to do, they could do
for us and I'd like to see what the other guys — what you other councilmen think
of it too.
Rountree: Mr. Bentley?
Bentley: I think it's something we need to look into and I have one thing to add,
in fact I have two items but I'll take care of this one because it's the same one
right now, we tentatively had them scheduled for the 30th to come back and talk,
she would like to change that to the Council meeting July 7th and come in maybe
at 7:00 or whatever we desire. She passed that on to me yesterday at the APA
meeting.
Rountree: Okay. Mr. Anderson?
Anderson: I've been looking through their literature and I like the services they
can provide and it sounds like it would be pretty cost effective and it's something
that our department heads could draw on as a resource and it would help us out
considerably so I would think that it would be a good move for us to join them.
Rountree: I concur, I think that they have some services for a relatively minimal
fee that are available to us on human resource kinds of activities and some
things we certainly need so I would entertain a motion about membership.
Bird: Mr. President, I would move that the Meridian City get a membership into
the IEC, the Idaho Employers Council, and have the lady come and talk to us on
tH
July 17
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Rountree: Time certain, 6:30, maybe a little better?
Bentley: 7:00 1 think would work better.
Bird: 7:00.
Rountree: I have a motion, do I have a second?
Anderson: I'll second it.
Rountree: Motion made by Councilman Bird, seconded by Councilman
Anderson to have City of Meridian enter into a membership with IEC and to invite
Candy Weaver to and put Candy Weaver on the City's next City Council meeting
July 7t" at 7:00 p.m. The next item I have is I've had several calls from Greg
Johnson's fellow with Westpark Subdivision, if you can recall — Oh, did we not
vote on — oh, excuse me, I'm trying to beat that 10:00 deadline.
Bird: We didn't vote on the motion.
Rountree: Let's vote on that motion about approving an IEC membership.
MOTION CARRIED: All aye.
Rountree: Okay they're all in favor. Alright, back to Westpark, Greg Johnson's
presented some stuff to Shari, Shari wrote a letter back indicating that we weren't
necessarily interested in that being part of the City even though it is in our referral
area. To refresh your memory, it's a subdivision that would overlook Boise
Ranch Golf on South Eagle Road and Columbia just at the extreme of our impact
area. They want to know if they want to — if we want them to pursue with Boise a
temporary hook-up with services ultimately to come to the City of Meridian, if they
want to establish temporary stuff with the County and remain in the County or if
we have any likes or dislikes if they pursue becoming part of Boise. I think we
told them before that we had no preference and that they should be working with
the County on the approval of their subdivision. What's your pleasure? Continue
that course or —
Bentley: Are they outside of our impact area?
Rountree: They're in a referral area, they're in the light blue area in the very
southwest corner — southeast corner, excuse me.
Bird: They're way down in there.
Rountree: And they're on that rim above Boise Ranch to the west.
Bird: Out by the old turkey farm, the old Albertson's turkey farm.
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Rountree: Yeah you got that right Kenny, that's right where they are.
Yeah, that is Columbia. Brad, did Shari give you any information on this?
Hawkins -Clark: She did not.
Rountree: It's all news to you, okay thanks. Stay the course with what we've
established with it?
Bird: Stay the course I would say.
Rountree: Okay, I'll let them know that. At the Parks and Recreation
Commission last evening there was a discussion about the possibility of
replacing Tammy de Weerd on the Commission since she is now part of
Planning and Zoning. There was some discussion about just because she's on
Planning and Zoning, does that mean she's no longer a citizen at large. I don't
know that there is really any discussion of that in the ordinance that just
establishes the membership, it doesn't say that you can't be a member of one
body and represent another. The desire of the Commission was to leave the
membership the way it is with Tammy still representing a citizen at large position
and Keith Borup still representing Planning and Zoning. Any read on it? There
was some discussion that that might not be appropriate as well but it seemed to
be the bulk of the discussion of the Commission felt that we should just leave it
the way it is.
Bird: I'm for that, Charlie, --
Rountree: She is the President of the Commission at this point for the rest of the
year.
Anderson: Would she remain the President then after that or —
Rountree: Again, I don't think — in fact I'm sure the ordinance does not preclude
who can or can't be President. I made it clear when I was on the Commission
that I would not be President and represent the City Council but there was no
other —
Bird: She's not the official representative of Planning and Zoning, she's there as
an at large, she's been appointed to Planning and Zoning, I don't see any conflict
with it if the rest of you guys don't, I mean she's still an at large appointee, Keith
already represents the Planning and Zoning, I don't see anything wrong with it.
Anderson: Well I'd hate to see us lose her off of there because she's part of the
driving force on that committee so I wouldn't see any problem with it.
Rountree: Glenn?
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Bentley: I'd like to see her remain, the only question I've got is if we're not in
conflict with the two positions you know I don't have a problem if that's the case.
Rountree: I would request counsel to check into that but I don't think we are.
Bird: She's not representing — it says a representative of Planning and Zoning,
the Planning and Zoning didn't send her, she was sent — now she is a member,
that I feel that if I'd wanted to I could have stayed on at the Meridian Athletic
Association when I was elected Councilman, I just didn't feel I had the time but
should I be there then because Charlie was representing the City on there so I
didn't feel that I don't see where in reading that ordinance I mean she's not the
Planning and Zoning representative though she is a member of Planning and
Zoning but she is not their representative —
Bentley: Well I think the concern is that the public is going to say are we stacking
city oriented people on a committee and you don't want that, I don't want that
perception and I don't disagree one bit that the amount of work she has done to
help spearhead a lot of this stuff, that is my only concern that we don't get to the
point where we've got people that work here filling up the committee so we don't
have quote unquote public representation on it so —
Bird: I agree with you Glenn --
Anderson: Since this is just informal discussion we have a member of P & Z
here, is there any thought to making Tammy the representative from P & Z since
she has an interest in that?
Rountree: You can come up and talk in the mike, we'll get you on the record
Keith, we'll put you on the spot.
Borup: Keith Borup, on the record. I feel very strongly I think everyone here that
Tammy needs to be in that position. If it did come down to that, that she would
be released because she wasn't Planning and Zoning I would right after that —
probably, I guess it would need to come — since it is appointed by the Mayor I
would have the letter to the Mayor requesting my withdrawal and her appointed
as a P & Z representative. That's basically it because I think she's the one that
needs to be there, I mean she's been the force behind the whole Parks
Commission and we wouldn't be where we are there now without her there so it
would depend on what would happen what I would do and I think as Charlie said
how the Commission's attitude was maybe just kind of let things ride for awhile
and see what happens, if we're forced into a change then that's the decision
already made that I'd handle it that way.
Rountree: Thanks Keith. My position on the thing is the only concern I have is
exactly what Glenn stated the perception but I think Tammy's the right person for
that job, she really enjoys it and she's got a lot of energy and she's doing great
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things for the City so I guess my recommendation is that we have Council make
sure that that is not a direct conflict with the ordinance and if it isn't my
recommendation is that she stay until such time as her terms up and then
consider it then and I think Keith's term's up in October I'll bet.
Bird: Tammy's got two more years, she just was re -appointed last October.
(Inaudible)
Bird: I think you're right the October because the Meridian Athletic Association
and City Council and Vern Cross was the first year and then Tammy's and
Cherry Lane Golf Course and one of the other — Meridian School was the second
year and then Planning and Zoning and the rest of -- the other three was the third
year.
(Inaudible)
Bird: Yeah, it's a three year deal.
Anderson: Time flies when you're having fun.
Bird: Yeah, we're coming on the third year.
Rountree: Okay, I don't think we need a motion if we're in general agreement,
just leave it the way it is and have counsel check into it and report back to us.
Okay, I'll let them know that we'll hold. Shari was working with David Eberlee
consultants on capital improvements plan, he went through a first task kind of
identifying what the City has done with capital improvements, he's got a proposal
as a result of a discussion that he had with the Mayor and I at the end of May
about taking the City on into some training so the department heads can get a
sense of capital development, capital improvements programming and planning
as opposed to us contracting with him to develop a capital improvements
program. In other words, teach him how to fish instead of give him the fish. I'll
give you this letter for your consideration, he's asking for a fee not to exceed
$15,000.00 to do the training, to help us with our capital improvements program
the first go around and then get them up to speed to where they can do it. I'm
not asking for approval or what not tonight, just to let you know that that's where
this is coming from so you don't get it cold, you know get copies in your boxes.
That's what that's all about and that was a result of Council past wanting capital
improvement program looked at and getting some changes in the comp plan. I
have a request from Parks Director Kuntz for moving expense to the tune of
$350.00 to help pay for the rental of a U -Haul truck. He's made this request
through the Mayor's office, I'm bringing it before you that as far as I know there
was no indication that the City would participate in the move but there is not
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precedence one way or the other within the City to do this. What's your
pleasure?
Bentley: For moving what?
Rountree: Moving his household goods and family to Meridian from Pullman.
Anderson: Have we ever done this with any other employee or department
head?
Bird: No.
Rountree: I don't believe we have. The indication from the Mayor is that he
wasn't aware of any and I don't know —
Anderson: And Tom was that indicated to you in your interviews that that was a
possibility?
Kuntz: I inquired as to the fact if there would be any moving allowance, I don't
really remember what the response was to that but I know at one time I was told
that it has not ever been done in the past.
Bird: Who did you talk to regarding that Tom?
Kuntz: Well I think —
Rountree: I think that was one of the questions you had with the interview panel
and I can't quote the answer but I suspect it was don't plan on it and it's not been
past practice of the City but hey you don't find out if you don't ask, right Tom?
Kuntz: Well there is substantial cost to moving a family of five from one state to
another and I have no problem with whichever way you decide tonight but I think
$350.00 to move a family of five is fairly minimal to what the actual cost is.
Bird: If it — you know Mr. President I mean this is a policy I think within the City, if
we had hired head hunters and went out looking for people, which we had put
applications in, the applications come to us, they come and apply to us for a job,
now if I go and apply for a job I feel that if it's in another state or something I
move to it. If they come ask me to come to them then I do that so I — in one part
of the hiring deal — I don't know, I've got mixed feelings about it and it wouldn't
hurt my feelings one way or the other.
Rountree: Mr. Bentley?
Bentley: Well, there was never any mention as part of the job of doing that and
understand Keith's position too and I think he's correct, although the amount isn't
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much I think it's something that Council may have to decide on when they go
looking for jobs because we're going to wind up with people moving from Boise to
Meridian or whatever it's going to be looking at the request and I wish somebody
would have given him a firm answer at the interview panel, maybe that's
something we have to put together with a job package that there are no — there is
or there isn't and make it part of the job offering when we do job descriptions and
job searches that we include in that that there is or isn't any moving expenses.
Anderson: My feelings on it are where we didn't advertise that we would
reimburse for expenses at this time I would think we would be smart to deny it
and if in the future we want to make that part of the compensation package and
set a dollar limit on moving expenses that we will reimburse then we ought to do
that up front and the candidates would clearly know that so at this point I would
make a motion that we deny the reimbursement for moving expenses for Tom
Kuntz.
Bird: Second.
Rountree: Motion was made by Councilman Anderson, seconded by
Councilman Bird to deny the request for moving expenses from Parks Director
Kuntz. All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All aye.
Rountree: Sorry Tom. Some of this stuff's doubled up.
Anderson: You mean Tom wants reimbursed again?
Rountree: He's a gamer, he keeps trying.
Anderson: Yeah, I know his type.
Bird: We got to watch his budget now.
Rountree: I have a letter back from, I'd better call him Frederick Mack, do you
have a copy of that? I guess the question is do we authorize him to start the
work for the City on a cost reimbursable basis of $130.00 an hour to get the
situation for a sewer extension easement squared away, the infamous one that
we've been working with for two years or more.
Bird: How many?
Rountree: Four years?
Bird: How about four or five years?
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Bentley: I think we gave direction that we need to get this show on the road, it's
tying up an awful lot of potential funds for us and you know with properties being
locked up because we don't have this going and I think we need to proceed with
that, I just — one question, the City Attorney brought up a question on the first
page about the sewer district, is that just some poor wording or — we're not
asking him to set up a sewer district, we're just asking him to (inaudible) the right-
of-way.
Rountree: Just an extension of sewer service for the City sewer and —
Bentley: And just so we get —
Rountree: It's a point of clarification that needs to be made within that we own
our package plant.
Bentley: But outside of that I think we hire the man and get moving.
Bird: I second that.
Rountree: Councilman Bentley moves and Councilman bird seconds to get Mr.
Mach going on the acquisition or condemnation of the property in question for the
extension of the city sewer to the east. All in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All aye.
Rountree: I'll get — Keith, I need to talk to you about this deal that people
spending the City's money without us knowing about it.
Bird: What's that?
Rountree: Fixing the parking lot and then explaining that it's going to come out of
somebody's budget.
Bird: You and I both?
Rountree: Yeah, we'll talk about it and if we need to bring it before the Council
we'll do that. Last thing I have is what's your pleasure for a planning meeting? I
know we have a bunch of proposed ordinance changes that have been
presented to us the last couple of months, do you want to take a go at some of
those? Do you want to start having --maybe take a whack at building a calendar
for the budget cycle so we can get the department heads an idea of when we are
expecting a draft budget and when we're going to shoot for having public
involvement?
Bird: I'd like to.
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Bentley: If I may I'll give you some dates you need to jot down while you're doing
this process since I won't be here.
Rountree: Okay. Oh, this is your calendar?
Bentley: July 8th and 15th we will be having meetings with the Fire Union.
Rountree: Are these in the evening or all day?
Bentley: In the evening and I will be gone from the 19th through the 30th —
Bird: Of this month?
Bentley: Yes, June. July 2nd through the 5th and then July 201h through August
1 St
Anderson: He's a postal guy, they don't ever work.
Bird: I was going to say, they must be fire, are you a fireman?
Bentley: I'm feeling disgruntled.
Rountree: Now let's be careful.
Bentley: Outside that I'll be here.
Rountree: Well hey I'm envious. But we are scheduled for the 30th for a planning
session so let's — any other potential agenda items?
Bird: He said he'll be back the 30th
Rountree: Yeah, you'll be here the 30tH
Bird: 19th through the 301h
Rountree: Ron, do you have anything you want to bring up?
Anderson: I can't think of anything right now but I'll call you if I —
Rountree: Okay and anything else I can dream up I'll put on there. Again, we'll
be done by 9:30.
Bentley: We heard that last time.
Rountree: Yeah but everybody decided they were going to bring a guest.
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Bentley: I didn't bring a guest.
Bird: It was very informative.
Rountree: That's all I have, --
Bentley: I have one further thing.
Rountree: You have one more, okay.
Bentley: Yes. APA yesterday voted on the membership contribution formulas,
I'm sorry to report that the Mayor and I and several other people lost. Our
original current bill was $17,812.00 per year, our new one will be $18,217.00,
that was alternative F, we wanted an alternative E but we couldn't get that
through, it wound up a 7/7 tie and I wish when something like this is voted on
everybody would have shown up because I think we'd have gotten what we'd
asked for so what it's going to be based on is contributions based on 100%
weighted population proportion except ACHD, what they are weighted at is 65%,
the comment I made is ACHD was pushing so that their contribution wasn't as
much but it makes no sense to me because ACHD taxes everybody around so
instead of them collecting the money and paying it in through taxes we're going
to collect the money and pay it in through the fees so there is virtually no
difference as to where it comes from, I mean I could understand the different
cities arguing the point that they don't want their bill so high but ACHD if the bill's
higher they're just going to raise the taxes to the homeowners or to the property
owners and then it's going to come back that way so — but anyway that's the new
formula.
Rountree: And that goes out of next years budget?
Bentley: Right.
Rountree: Okay, anything else?
Anderson: We haven't seen hide nor hair of our '96 audits that were supposed to
be here —
Bentley: I talked to Janice before she got out the door tonight and she stated
that she had a call in to them today asking them where they were and got no
response back from anyone.
Rountree: The soonest would be next week.
Bentley: That would be my guess, unless they come up with another story.
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Rountree: I would like to have just a really brief executive session if somebody
would move.
Bentley: So moved.
Anderson: Second.
Smith: Mr. President, may I ask a question? On the June 301h meeting, is that a
planning meeting for — are budget's going to be discussed at that time or is that
later?
Rountree: I think what we're going to do is put together a calendar of when we're
going to ask the various department heads to come to the budget planning
meetings, when we're going to have those meetings, when we're going to expect
a draft and what we're going to have the preliminary budget hearing so we can
get through this process in some orderly fashion this year than what we did
previously. It's just a scheduling meeting.
Smith: It's just a scheduling meeting then. Okay, thank you.
Bentley: But yours is first and it'll be Monday night.
BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 10:17 P.M.
Rountree: No decisions were reached. Any other items, discussion?
Bird: (Inaudible) and I move that we adjourn.
Bentley: Second.
Rountree: Moved and seconded that we adjourn. All those in favor?
MOTION CARRIED: All aye.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 10:20 P.M.
(TAPE ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS)
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APPROVE:
ROBERT D. CORRIE, MAYOR
ATTEST:
WILLIAM G. BERG, JR., CITY CLERK