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Home My WebLink About99Jun15 CC Mtg/ ~,. Meridian City Council Meeting June 15 199 ~aQ2 1 i Bird'. I have none. Corrie: All right, I'll entertain a motion to close the public hearing. Bentley: So moved. Rountree: Second. Corrie: Motion made and second to close the public hearing. All those in favor of the motion say aye. MOTION CARRIED' ALL AYES Corrie: Discussion? Rountree. Mr. Mayor. given the test~mcny and the unclear issues as it relates to the move, the timing of the move, and the amount of potential guarantee for the completion of that move, and staff's concern for the sidewalk, I would suggest some modifications to the conditions that Planning and Zoning., provided and those would be adding staff commenfs;speG~fic comment number 7_ into the recommendations which would be 1.34 and modifying the`recomri'leridation 1:20 with language to the effect that the temporary clubhouse shall be used for a period not to exceed-- I'm just going to put ih seven months for discussion from the date of the physical moving'of the current temporary clubhouse. Prior to moving the temporary cltbhouse, a letter of credit or cash in the amount of the appraised value of the new clubhouse will be received by the City of Meridian as a guarantee for completion of the permanent clubhouse and parking tot. I have no other suggestions in terms of corrections or additions. Bird: Mr. Mayor, Charlie, I don't agree with the appraised value because I don't think anybody is going to go out and give them an appraisal on it. Rountree: It's my understanding from Mr. Johnson that they're in the process of getting an appraisal on the - Bird: An appraised value or a cost estimate? (Inaudible) Corrie: Hang on folks. ~Ve got a dilemma here. Do you want -we'll have to reopen the public hearing to hear any more testimony? Can you agree on something between your Council? Mer~Cian City CcunCil Meeting June 15. 1999 Page 18 Bird: How are we going to ycu know appraised value means one of us are going to hire an appraiser to go out and appraise it before we get a - Rountree. How do you get financing on something Ike this witr~out - Bird: Well the financing don't have nothing to do with the appraisal. I mean if they got the financing, They don't have to have an appraisal. They got a cost estimate, but I don't think they have an official appraisal. Rountree: Cost of construction Bird: Yeah. I dust think we - Rountree: Give me a better word. Bird: I'm trying to think of one, Charlie. I don't like appraisal, but - Rountree: Mr, Mayor maybe Mr. Gigray has some verbiage that would hold up in cou~~t Gigray: Given the evidence presented at the hearing which you have to go from, I mean there was a figure of a half million and I didn't hear any objection on the part of the applicant to that figure which the staff felt I think covered what they saw in the information that they had. I guess you could leave it nebulous that it would be subject to an amount subject to the approval of the Planning and Zoning Administrator and then I guess if they get a hiatus over whether that approval is appropriate or not, then the applicant could come back to the City Council and seek an amendment of that condition, I think you could go either of those two ways Rountree: Mr. Mayor, Mr. Bird, in the amount not to exceed one half million dollars Bird: That's fine with me. Corrie: That puts a figure to it. Any other comments on the changes or additions to the recommendation of the Planning and Zoning? Gigray: Mr. Mayor just a point of question. Councilman Rountree with your proposal, would we substitute staff comment number 7 for the recommendation of Planning and Zoning at 1.8 because it references a five foot sidewalk. Rountree. It references the sidewalk, excuse me Mr. Mayor. It references the sidewalk but does not name the street specifically as number 7 does, so - Gigray: Right with your permission I'll probably put those together Mendian City Counc~i Meeting June 15 1999 Page 19 Rountree: That would be fine. Cowie; Any further discussion? Hearing, none, I'll entertain a motion to have the attorney draw up the Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law, Anderson: So moved. Bird: Second. Carrie It s been moved by Mr Anderson second by Mr Bird to have the attorney draw up the Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law and bang them back to us on July 6'~ Were at thf; ~ 5'" and then July 6'h Any further discuss~or~~ Rountree: Mr Rountree, am I to assume that that motion includes the suggested changes that were discussed Okay, thank you. Bird Mr. Mayor. will this allow them to move the temporary over there by the 30`h~ Gigray: Point of information. In light cf Councilman Bird's question, it would be my advice that one of the purposes for which we sought the conditional use permit in light of the history of this particular facility and the need to get a conditional use permit under existing ordinances part of that is to allow the moving of this temporary structure so my advice to the Council would be no, they could not move that until an order was signed granting the permit. If this is a mayor problem then the Council should consider having a special meeting to adopt those Findings. We can prepare them for you for your consideration at an earlier meeting, but I wouldn't recommend that be allowed until an order was signed. Bird: That's what I wanted to clear up. Cowie: Mr. Rountree when are you going to have your planning meeting? We could have a special meeting first and then if you wanted to on that combine the two of them Rountree: We could do it on the 22~d. That would be the normal time. Bentley: Mr. Mayor, I believe both myself and I think Mr. Anderson are out of town that whale week You'll be back? Okay, I'll be gone, Ra~_~ntree V~Je can do it an the 22'~~ Bird, `~r`Je neF~d to do it early enough to give them time to get the arrangements made to get that moved out. That isn't an overnight move Meridian City Council Meeting June 15, 1999 Page 20 Corse: Based on Mr Johnson's reply here, they have to be at least by the 30'h so if we had it on the meeting on the 22"a and approved the Findings of Facts that would give them a week and a day. I can't open the public hearing, but does that sound okay? I mean it's kind of stupid what I'm asking you, but - Bird, Mr. Mayor, let me ask a question. Is there any way that we can approve the removal of the temporary at this meeting without doing that? I think there is, I don't know how, but I think there is. Rountree V~Je re always open for a good story Mr. Bird Come: I know the Council can do just about anything they want to within reason and the law, but is there a wav we can do that? Gigray Mr. P/iayor and members of the Council my advice would be not to allow it until the order ~s signed because as part and parcel of the whole process and I think you impune your own process by doing it without those steps That's my advice. Now whether you follow it or not will be up to you. My suggestion is also if there is a need, we will try to accommodate the need by preparing these Findings as soon as possible and if you wanted to have a special meeting even sooner than the 22"a, we would try to do that for you. Corrie. Well with all the activity with Dairy Days going on, it would be a Monday or a. Tuesday so one day I don't think is going to make a big difference there. The testimony is they can do it. Glenn will be gone. You're going to be goner Well that takes care of that. Gigray V'Jell my advice also is that they could take whatever necessary steps they need in the meantime and the staff could process whatever other permits knowing these findings will be signed so everything is in place by the 22na. But we can have them ready for you by the 22~'° Rountree. Is ~t possible to have the order as it relates to the move by to~rorrow? Gigray It's all together so it's all going to be done at one point. Bentley. I think what he's asking is what are you doing tonight? Gigrav Y~-~~~ s~~t the meet~r:q '~^!e just have to r7ieet your request Bird Does: it all have to be unc+er one order"~' Gigray: It's more work - ~t wiil all be done in one - ,,,,.,. Mendian City Council Meetrng June 15. 1999 Page 2? Rountree Can we meet the notice reruirements~ Gigray: Well you're going to have to call a special meeting and then we're under a 24 hour notice provision under the open meeting law. Bird. Mr. Mayor, if we had it the 22"~, there's no reason then they can't be getting ready to go and move rn. When we pass it the 22"fJ. what do they have to do then to be allowed to move the temporary Anything from Planning and Zoning Stiles Wasn't the parking lot going to be built first? Bird: Yes. Stiles: Well they won't have that done by tf~e 22~~ Bird: You're right Forgot about the parking lot. Corse, Okay, I've been told we need to maybe open up the heanng once more~ust for a couple of comments and I think that that's a pretty good idea, so if I could have a motion to do that. Bird; I pull my second, Bentley; We need to remove the - Corrie: We need to remove the motion, right? Bird: I remove my second. Corrie; Okay motion has been removed. The second (inaudible). Rountree, Mr. fv1ayor, I move that we reopen the hearing for item number 1 Bentley; Second. Corrie: Motion made and second that we reopen the hearing for commen±s on item number one. Any further comments All in favor say aye. MOTION CARRIED ALL AYES Corrie' For clarification who wants to be first on this? Dick? k. `;.i Mendian City Cc~~;ncii Meeting ~ Jur.e 15 1999 ~? Page 22 ~;,~ Johnson My name is Dick Johnson I heard something about the 22` ry It will be fin e Currie 22`~'~. the parking lot and the whole thing Johnson. We'll certainly be trying. That's a lot of work between now and then. Currie: We want it done right. Johnson: Right, it's almost impossible. We need to get our plans approved through Public Works. I can't swear that the -promise you that the landscape plan would be done by that time, but the landscape is part of the parking lot and you know we will have landscape according to the city's wishes. It's going to be really tough to get a parking lot in there, the underground in and move the structure, Bentley: Mr Mayor, question for Shan Your comments on what Mr. Johnson has to say Stiles I'm sorry Mr. Campbell was interrupting my listening Johnson: I said I'd be Superman. Stiles The 22'~~ would be super? Johnson: I don't feel that it will work, but we will certainly try to accomplish this on that schedule That's not practical, Corne I don't think it's going to get through m time. I really don't. Stiles: Obviously you're not going to be able to move it by the 22"` Right? Bird: No, they got until the 30'h Just a second Stiles: The parking lot is not going to be constructed The parking lot will take two weeks to construct Johnson: Once we have approval, we're expecting a week yes from the time we start our underground footing and the storm drainage system and get the sleeves in under the driveways and get leveling ccurses on. First we have to get the engineer's approval. Bird: Mr Mayor, -- Mend~an City Council Meeting June 'S 1yQ9 Page 23 Currie, Dick can I have you -this is not very good, but can I have you step aside dust a second. I think we might have something here that you have to tell us Doug. Campbell: I really didn't want to do this, but here I am I think what we need -- Bird: Identify yourself. Campbell My name is Doug Campbell, address 4085 W. Ustick, Meridian, 83642. I think where we have to direct this thing ~s have the Council go ahead and have that special meeting on the 22~d so we have the order to when the parking lot is completed, if it's the 15r, the 2`~~, the 3~d, we can move it We're flexible We can - we don't have to say Wally we're going to tear down the trader on the 30'r', but we want to go ahead and get the 22"d get the approval and then we'll start scheduling and get this trailer and like I say it's probably going to take a week or two weeks to get approval and probably two weeks to build the parking lot. At least we're taking the right direction and we're not waiting until the facts and findings are approved on the 6~h and then start it from there At least this thrng is working simultaneously Currie: As long as it's done right is what I think we're concerned about E'~~erybody here is concerned that it's done right Campbell: I'm not hiring, Steiner is not, but V`Jally will be hiring the contractors and put in specifications. Currie: Okay. Let me ask a question to Council. Is everybody but Glenn going to be here the 22~d'' Bird Yes Currie: Okay so we will have a quorum then. Bird: I've got a question for Gary. On the parking lot Gary, why can't they start the underground and stuff now if you can approve the thing before the 22nd? If Brad can get the plans approved if the plans have been turned in, submitted, complete? (Inaudible) Bird: I understood they were. Have the plans not been turned in? I understood from Mr. Johnson they had. Smith: Councilman, I don't know, ~` ^~lerd,an Cary ~ni~nr;~ n/lazr~n-, )Ur,e ` ? 9"~`~ ~ P~r;e L4 Johnson: Prel~m~nary plans are turned in, the final draft was presented to hirr, today about x.00 They are still stamped preliminary until after this meeting at which time we would take the preliminary stamp and sign seal them by the engineer and deliver ther~i sometir-ne tomorrow morning. Bird, Can sorl~e of the preliminary work be done for the underground and stuff on that Smith; By preliminary I don't know what you mean, Bird I don't either. No, what I mean is can't you start putting the underground drainage and stuff in, getting the compaction down and stuff like that? Smith' That's part of the plans I mean that's going to be part of the approval is the sizing of the drainage beds and sizing of the piping and so forth, That's part of the approvals, Bird: It's the same plans we have then which we are approving now, All we're asking for is Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law and that's what we're going to pass, but the plans aren't ,going to change. They've met all this staff things already so why can't you start doing the preliminary work out there if the plans meet our Pubiic Works spec~fications~ Smith V'Jell I gr;ess as soon as we can rr.'~vir~'~.v ti~~e F,lar~s yeS EiirU Okay Currie: But we don't have the plans ~n yet. Bird You will have them tomorrow rY,orning Johnson We will have them tomorrow morning I ve been working with Brad ail along on this, We gave him what he and I think are the final draft plans today, so that we can move along on this. According to Brad. it's not going to be a long time out before he gets them approved. It could be you know tomorrow afternoon. All the calculations have been done, checked, everything over the period of the last two or three. four weeks. Currie. It sounds like we could go ahead and do it the 22~`~ Council have a special meeting, and with what Mr Campbell said they can go a little longer whatever the case niay be and that will still give you time to do your parking lot That gives cur staff sor7~e tin~'e I don't ~-vant to shove it down their throat. So it's going to be done right, I'm sure everybody wants it done right so is that all right Gary I mean as long as you have the time. '~lendiar. Cliy C.oUnCil Nleering .:une ? 5. ' 9~9 Page 2`; Smith We can move ahead as fast as we can on the drainage part, but we're still going to have to have a completed site plan with the landscaping and everythrng else that's required for that, Whatever Shan's requirements are is going to have to be part of the site plan approval. I guess they could start on the subsurface works as soon as we have ~t approved. as soon as approve what they have I mean I understand the necessity for moving as fast as we can, But it always seems Irk,t evEn~ ti!7it;~ wt=.~ movF:.~ fast, we get tripped up some place Well process it as quick as we can Corse Was there anybody else that had information for us that wanted to -Wally you have anything you want to say I mean you don t have to, but I think we're going on the right road here and getting things done. Were dust trying to find out the dates and get everything put together with staff. Thank you. Bentley I move ewe close the public hearrng E3~rd I second it. Corrie; Motion made and second to close the public hearing, ail ~n favor say aye. MOTION CARRIED ALL AYES Corse No4v, do we want to have that meeting the 22`„~ then and go ahead with that? Okay. I'll entertain a motion. Bird Are you going to add that to your existing motion? Mr Anderson? (Inaudible) Rountree. Mr Mayor I move that we instruct the city attorney to prepare Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law and Order of Decision to include the recommendations from the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission with changes on item 1.2p as discussed previously and the combining of staff's specific comment 7 with item 1.8, and that upon completion of the Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law that the city hold a special meeting for consideration of those on June 22''d at 7 30 p.m. B~rc! Secc;nd Corrie. Motion rt~ade by Mr. Rountree and second by Mr. Bird to have the attorney draw up the Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law with the recommendations and changes as stated in the discussion and hold a special meeting to June 22'"' at 7'30 r r,, ~~~~,. ~~ ~~, ~t:;r -!:sc._;ssion`% Hearir•ig r.,;nr:, all thc'~se in favor cif tl~iE: n~~ n ^ r' `~` Gtiun ,ay ayr; Mend!an Gry CC~1nC!~ Mee;ii~g Page 26 MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES. 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I .~'~ .~rr)rrll~~~;)tc~r till~i;l h(~ , ~ , cll~c•h~lr~r, I lc treatr,cl tl)rc)u,~ll ~, ,~ra.~s~' stir': , ( tO thy' till})tillrf;lCt' tU I)1-CVt'nt 1111 )• tiUr-t,'{~'~~ ~V~,[c'.r gllallt\'. `rl~ })rlOr t0 }. clc.[ f Q ~rrl)L111C.11~~'~1[e1- ~inc1 I ,. ~i~li r i~~(, ((~.,~, , I -1 ROBERT D. CORRIE Mayor GARY D. SMITH, P.E. Public Works Director CITY OF MERIDIAN PUBLIC WORKS /BUILDING DEPARTMENT September 29, 1999 Wally Lovan, President Cherry Lane Recreation, Inc. 4200 W. Talamore Blvd. Meridian, ID 83642 RE: Proposed Irrigation Easement by Steiner Development Dear Wally: COUNCIL MEMBERS CHARLES M.ROUNTREE GLENN R. BENTLEY RON ANDERSON KEITH BIRD ~+ CEI~TI != E ~ ~ ~t ?000 LJJ CITY OF 1VIERIDIAN As you may recall, I sent you a copy of a proposed easement for a proposed 4-inch pressure irrigation pipeline across City of Meridian property from the Lakes at Cherry Lane No.4 to the Villas at the Lakes Subdivision on the east side of the Eight Mile Lateral. This pipeline is proposed to be constructed by Steiner Development. I verified verbally your approval of the easement on September 1 when I called you. I realize you are extremely busy keeping the golf course operating during the moving and building process, but I would appreciate it if you would verify your approval of the proposed easement by signing in the space provided below. Enclosed is another copy of the easement and exhibits. By signing, I understand your position to be that you have reviewed the proposed pressurized irrigation easement and have no objections to the City of Meridian granting such easement to Steiner Development. ~,~~ ~~ 7 By~ -.G!G~d''~ ~~ Date: ~~--~Ic~s Title: President Firm: Cherry Lane Recreation. Inc. Please call if you have any questions. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Sincerel , ~~ Brad Watson, P.E. Assistant City Engineer EnGosures (Proposed pressurized irrigation easement) cc: Gary Smith, PE, Public Works Director File \1m ailserverlbradw\m2\lovan92999. ttr.doc 200 East Carlton, Suite l00 Meridian, Idaho 83642 Phone (208) 887-2211 Fax (208) 887-1297 Boise Idaho Fills Pocatallo Moffatt Thomas MOFFA~'r T~IOMAS 13ARRETT ROCK ~ FIELDS, CHID. )oAnn C, Butler 203:3.>40d direct jao®moffatt.wm January 26, 2000 FACSIMII~ Mayor Robert Corrie City Council Members City of Meridian 33 E. Idaho Street Meridian, ID 83642 )Ete: Cherry Lane Crolf Course MTBR&F File No, 21-707 Dear Mayor and City Council Members: US Bank Plaza Building 101 5 Capitol Blvd 10th fl PO Bcx 82° Boise Idaho 83701 0829 208.3x5.2000 205.395.53&4 Fax www.moTfaR.CDm ~~~~~~ c A N Z 6 2000 CITY 0~ ~.I~IAN This 5rm is representing Cherry Lane Recreation, Inc. in connection with the Cherry Lane Golf Course, including the proposed improvements to the golf course clubhouse and the loans in connection with those improvements. We would like to provide the Council with a review and update of these matters and respectfully request time to speak to the Council at your February 1, 2000 hearing. Would you please contact me at the above-referenced number to confirm that we will be placed on the agenda. Sincerely, ~~e~~ ~ JoAnn C. Butler JCB/laa cc: (via fax) Wally and Nita Lovan 7ennifer Lovan-Holloway Nancy Link William Gigray Will Ber; BOI MT1;Z81536,1 JAN 26 '00 10 34 2083855350 PAGE. 02