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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1979 11-13i • AGENDA MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING November 13, 1979 ITEM: Minutes of previous meeting approved as read with the amendment to Agenda 2, Cherry Lane Village West; "268 lots and does have a possible school site" strike the word "not." 1. Bob Erland - Tri-Plex - APPROVED, contingent on the Window Box property, E. lst and E. Carlton to be included as one (1) parcel; 4 units total, sidewalks, water and sewer line compliance, and a five (5) foot variance. 2. Cherry Lane Village West Preliminary Plat - located in the Lampe Annexation. Recommended Denial. 3. Dave Reeves - regarding property - 711 W. Pine. Reguest the Council review this matter with the Building Inpsector in Compliance with the Ordinances. 4. P1organ and Marilyn Plant property - 28 acres at 1150 W. Overland. `Meridian Plann,j,ns Agenda 1 anc~:Zoning PJovember 13, 1979 P1eeting called to order by Don Sharp, Chairman, at 8:05 P.M. Members present: Annette Hinrichs; Ken Tewksbury; Lee Mitchell; Burl Pipkin; Rick Orton. Others Attending: Marilyn Olmstead; Bob Erland; Dave Reeves; Jim Halley; Marilyn Plant; Morgan Plant; Bruce Johnson. Minutes of the previous meeting were approved as read with the amendment to Agenda 2, Cherry Lane Village West; "268 lots and does have a possible school site" strike the word "not". Bob Erland - Building Input. Erland presented sketch and proposed 3-Plex located fronting E. Carlton Ave. next to the Window Box. 90X72 lt, 12 foot City easement. .Erland stated there are older people interested in the small tri-plex, close to doctors, Post Office, and stores in the downtown area, inexpensive to heat, unit is 520 sq. ft.; one bedroom, kitchen; dining; living room, bath; sliding glass door onto 10x20 patio - per unit. The concept is low maintenance for older people. Erland stated that the rear setback is shy 5 feet. The Building Inspector had indicated the usual setback is 15'and this would be 10'. This 5 foot variance would allow him to meet City Code parking facilities and yard area. Erland stated it would be advantagous to the City as he would have to run a new 4" water line down Carlton, between $1,200.00 to $1,800.00 at his cost. The water pressure on Carlton is very poor now and there would be about four other homes that would have access to that new water main. There would be separate meters and sewer lines. The sewer line would cost about $2,700.00. The sidewalks on that street do not exist, but Erland stated he is willing to put in the sidewalk on his property. Density was discussed. The proposed zoning map indicates this area as high density. There was consideration of the Window Box and the proposed tri-plex becoming one parcel, all area owned by Erland. The ratio for density would be more favorable. Guidelines of the Comprehensive Plan were considered. The Motion was made by Mitchell and seconded by Pipkin that the proposed tri-plex of Bob Erland be approved, contingent on the Window Box property, E. lst and E. Carlton to be included as one (1j parcel; 4 units total, sidewalks, water and sewer line compliance, and a five (5) foot variance. Motion Carried: All yea. Erland stated that net property would be decided as one parcel. The City's portion would be blacktop, then sidewalk and blacktop for parking. 2 Cherry Lane Village West Preliminary Plat - located in the Lampe Annexation. Marilyn Olmstead was present, representing J-U-B Engineers for Leavitt-NuPacific. Preliminary Plat was presented for reconsideration. Olmstead displayed map and stated there had been no changes - same number of lots, same density and proposed school site. She reviewed the reason for the Commission tabling the proposal as being the need fora timetable for the second nine holes of the Cherry Lane Golf Course. Olmstead stated that there is no way they can put a number of years on how long it is going to take to sell the required number of lots around the golf course to put a specific year on coming back in with the second nine holes. Olmstead stated as soon as they design the first phase of 600 lots around the second nine holes, they will put in the second nine holes of the golf course. She stated that before this piece of property can be picked up by the Leavitt- NuPacifice Company, there has to be a Tentative Plat approved. Tentative Plat approval does not mean they will be coming with the Final Plat next. They will be doing the Tentative Plats as the options are necessary to be picked up. _Meridian Planning and Zoning .2. November 13, 1979 It was the feeling of the Commission that the City should have assurance that the second nine hole golf course would be completed within a time frame. Orton stressed the importance to the City which is now in the oolf course business, with only nine holes and no club house. Olmstead stated if the Preliminary Plat is not approved, Leavitt-NuPacific will not pick up the option and the whole concept of Cherry Lane Village will be changed. Orton discouraged the position of approving the Tentative Plat and then disapproving the Final Plat. Mitchell stated he felt it was not the Commission's problem, but that it was Leavitt's condition. Olmstead stated that if the option is not exercised, then they are chanoing the complete concept of Cherry Lane Village Master Plan. Annette Hinrichs left the chamber at this time. Sharp stated he had concerns with the golf course, there are too many problems there now, and Leavitt-NuPacific needs to keep with their committment. Olmstead stated they intend to. Sharp stated that if Mr. Leavitt were to agree in writing that there would be no Final Plat submitted on this piece of property (Lampe) nor on any additional phasing in Glennfield Manor until such time as the balance of the Golf Course was in, the Commission would approve so he could pick up this option. Orton stated the City's successful planning in that area pivots heavily around the golf course. He prefers the City's plan go first and Mr. Leavitts,second. Olmstead stated Mr. Leavitt's plan for this Village hinges heavily around the Golf Course as well. They cannot predict what is going to be selling in the economy in the next three years. The houses that are possible to sell, will be the ones that they will design for and allow the builders to buy the lots for. Wherever this happens, money is being reserved for the back nine holes. It's going to take a dollar amount of lot sales, whether it be a large number of lower cost frontend lots or lower number of higher cost lots, they have to have the money to build the back nine holes. The back nine holes are going to be expensive. There was discussion concerning the market, phasing and the expansion of the golf course into the 3axter property. The problem was the matter of priority. The Motion was made by Pipkin that the Cherry Lane Village West Preliminary Plat be approved with the condition that Leavit-NuPacific submit a letter in writing that they will not submit for Final Plat approval. Orton stated definitely,until the priorities are straightened out. Mitchell stated he felt the This is related to the City about City Codes, community or whether the City gets an Plan already covers what we the wrong reason. Commission is in the wrong jurisdictional position. finances versus Leavitt's finances. The talk is not planning, but whether Leavitt can pick up the option additional nine hole golf course. The Comprehensive are set here to do. He felt this was before them for Sharp stated except that the development is part of the planning process for the City and the Commission. Olmstead stated that they are not doing anything but asking for Tentative Platting approval, an attractive plan, and no one even cares about the Tentative Plat, all the Commission wants is second nine holes of the golf course, the first nine was a gift, the second nine holes will be a gift, and you just cannot develop the second nine until there is money and it's only been a year. Sharp stated the Commission wants to be fair, but what they are looking for is some kind of assurance that h1r. Leavitt is going to be fair. ~r+e~+.t..v.,:~~. Meridian Plannin and Zonin :3. Ndvember 13, 1979 Olmstead questioned that before Mr. Leavitt could do anything else, he has to put in the second nine golf course? Sharp stated that was the understanding when that concept was approved. There are still a number of lots now to be sold. He wanted some sort of a good faith commitment and he does not feel the City has it. Orton stated the priority should be put on the second nine holes as was intended when the Commission made these additional Annexations. These Annexations were weighed as to what impact they would have on the golf course. He stated that that is not what the City is getting. Olmstead stated that is not what is happening at all. Pipkin stated he .felt, in several cases, people have come to the Commission and have not been entirely candid and then later down the road, it looks like the Commission has been taken in for being put in such a position. And that's where it is. Olmstead stated that the Developer, Mr. Leavitt, has gone overboard in putting a lot of dollars in a project that belongs to the City, that when all these facts come out, he will deserve an apology. If the Commission wants to hold him to his promises because of not believing his word, she thought he has yet to go back on his word. Sharp stated business is not run on promises. Olmstead stated it is run on dollars and cents. Pipkin stated nevertheless, the City wants an agreement that they (City) can abide by. Tewksbury stated that a lot of the emphasis tonight might get lost over the months. He felt it would be better not to give approval of Preliminary Plat, it does not make sense to approve Preliminary Plat with no intention of approving Final Plat. The Developers know what they are doing and what they want to do, and it seems they could take that limit offer and buy that property whether it's approved tonight or not. The Motion that was made previously has died for a lack of a second. Olmstead stated if the Commission denies the Preliminary Plat, it will be they that have changed the Master Plan of Cherry Lane Village, not Mr. Leavitt. Orton stated there should be no reason to change the rest of the submittal, aside from moving a couple of interceptor roads away from the Lampe property:. Olmstead stated they have an option to exercise and this will have to be taken to City Council. Pipkin stated he resented the position of their (.Leavitt) taking it on to the Council, the Council can approve and they are home free anyway. Sharp stated the Commission's job tonight is not to determine whether Leavitt pick up the option, but if this Preliminary Plat proposal is to the best interest to the City of Meridian. Olmstead stated that means whether the Master Plan that has been approved is to the best interest or the Master Plan that would have to come in next time. Mitchell stated he did not like the Master Plan thrown at them this way. It's putting them on the defensive. The Motion was made by Mitchell and seconded by Tewksbury to recommend to the City Council, denial of the Cherry Lane Village West Preliminary Plat. hlotion Carried: All yea. Olmstead stated she would check out the annexation of the Baxter property. Meridian Plannin and Zonin .4. November 13, 1979 Agenda 3 Dave Reeves - regarding property - 711 W. Pine. Reeves stated that the 4-Plex on the corner of 7th and W. Pine is an infringement to his property. There are 4 units that the contractor was allowed to build 6 feet from his property line at the rear of the building; the renters in Reeves house are mad, as this 4-Plex looks into the kitchen, bedrooms, etc., no privacy at all; the lawn is damaged, the builder refuses to put up a fence; they are building a deck and stairway from the top of the two story 4-Plex and ne matter what type of fence this stairway is looking right into their windows; the lot is only 67X105, the wooden fence to the south is not on the property line, but 15 feet back towards the 4-Plex. There is only 6 feet to the foundation on the south and the east side from the property line. The required setback distance was discussed. It was thought that the height of this building would require a greater setback from back property line. It was not determined if the minimum is spelled out in the Ordinance. The Motion was made by Orton and seconded by Mitchell that the Commission request the Council review the Dave Reeves' matter with the Building Inspector in compliance of the Ordinances. Motion Carried: All yea. Reeves stated that he felt the City should keep a plot plan on the contractors to make sure they comply with approved plan. enda 4 Morgan and Marilyn Plant property - 28 acres at 1150 W. Overland. Morgan Plant stated that they currently have some active interest in the purchasing of this property, intended use is Light Industrial Park. Property is adjacent to the west of Mountain View Equipment. Their property is bare field and runs around the 6 acres of ldilliam Spear. The Vet and Spear properties have a common boundary. Plant is north of the Spear property. Plant asked for feedback on sewer, water and annexation. Sharp stated that the Plant property is not contiguous with the City at any point. If Mountain View Equipment would be willing to come in, annexation could be considered. The proposed location of sewer line was discussed. Jim Halley, Farm Bureau Realty was present and introduced Bruce Johnson, Santa Clara, California, who has the option to purchase the Morgan property. Johnson explained that his company is a maalZlage banking company and real estate developing of office buildings and industrial properties. He stated they have a project that is moving their project in total,to this area. Their concern is the ability to build this project at this location. Johnson explained that he favored this location rather than a Boise City Limit, as the park here could have better controls; landscaping, setbacks, etc. It is important that they do have City sewer and water. The Commission felt there was no oroblem with zonino. Sharp stated when the City built the Comorehensive Plan, that is the type of industry we were looking for; good, clean Linht Industry. The City Clerk was instructed to place Mr. Johnson's proposal on the City Council Agenda. The Motion was made by Tewksbury and seconded by Orton that the Commission allow the Committee, as formed from the realtors, developers, surveyors, and engineers to review the existing proposed .Zoning and Development Ordinance in preparation of the new Ordinance, section by section, develop their recommendations on the Ordinance; that the Planning and Zoning Commission meet with two (2) of their Committee people for five (5) meetings beginning ,January, 1980, the representatives of the Committee and the City of Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission be requested to use the format of the existing proposed document. Motion Carried: All yea. Meridian Planning and Zoning .5. Plovember 13, 1979 The Motion was made by Orton and seconded by Tewksbury that in the remainder of the review in the preparation of the Zoning and Development Ordinance, that the Commission utilize the APA only at one (1) or two (2) meetings for technical input to specific questions and that the City of Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission, otherwise do it on their own. Motion Carried: All yea. The Motion was made by Mitchell and seconded by Pipkin that the meeting be adjourned at 10:15 P.M. ~~ Motion Carried: All yea. Chd ity Clerk / ///