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Meridian City Hall .3.
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March 17, 1980 f.'
Matzinger stated they 'felt the proposal is sound and that the owners wish to
have the annexation and zoning at this time. Th e advantages were 1) Good
design, answering market need, providing housing size and type. 2) With the
open space allotted with this plan, the individual units would be afforded
rnuch more open space than a normal subdivision. 3) The fact of ownership,
these people are much more responsible. This project is aimed at a small
family, starter fora wor";ing couple, retired couple - or person. It is
within walking distance of the City center, water and sewer are available
without extension.
Fire Chief Welker stated this would be compounding problems for protection
with 0' lot lines. Any additional annexation is going to put the City in the
position of a full time Fire Department. He recommended denial.
Police Chief Sherwin stated that based on his analysis, the low cost housing,
small square footage, increase the work load on the Police Department.
The Motion was made ~y Williams based on the Fire Chief, Police Chief and lack
of the Ordinances to handle this type of a concept, to recommend denial.
Brewer commented that he approved of the concept, but due to the financing at
e this time, felt this was not the time for annexation.
Matzinger stated that they felt this proposal would be no more difficult to
fight fire than a single family type, the tax impact is a positive one with the
small number of people-again they are asking for annexation, not for total approval.
Motion seconded.by Kingsford.
Motion Carried: Williams, yea, Kingsford, yea, Brewer, nay.
Agenda
4 .Jim Potter - Concept Design - E. Fairview, N. Locust Grove, E. Pine.
Potter stated he was representing a number of owners. They have prepared and
submitted to the City,a concept plan as an inclusion to the Comprehensive Plan
as a suppliment. He stated that this is an area that the City has a substantial
investment in. Settlers Canal, Atkins Drain, Five Mile Creek all run through it.
It is an area which does not lend itself well to small parcel development. The
residents in that area are sponsoring this concept and propose this be a mixed
use area, providing for the utilization of the existing commercial.
Potter summarized tax base, services, center of proposal to be used as business
park, the greenbelt system, an area that needs a plan, a means to provide the
utilization of a major capital investment, and an extension of Gruber St. to
relieve traffic congestion of Fairview.
There was discussion concerning some kind of concept, and the worthwhile package
concept of the 185 acres. Potter admitted the concept would have to be refined.
There was general agreement that this would be beneficial,
Potter asked in behalf of the owners, a general concurrence of the Council, if
refined and with work sessions, that the City would be favorable toward implementation
as amended to the Comprehensive Plan and annexation at the appropriate time.
Mayor Glaisyer stated that they could approve the concept and annex, but doubted
the amendment to the Comprehensive Plan.
The Mayor and Council felt this concept was going in the right direction and were
in general agreement of the concept presented.
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RICHARD D. NICHOLS, Chief of Police
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MERIDIAN, IDAHO
JOHN O. FITZGERALD, Attorney 83842
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JOSEPH L. GLAISYER
Mayor
April 9, 1982
Carol ~:. Kirby, Development Services
Ada Col.nty Highway District
318 E. 37th Street
Boise, ID 83704
Dear Carol
COUNCILMEN
GRANT P. KINGSFORD
BILL BREWER
RICHARD F. ORTON, JR.
RONALD R. TOLSMA
ANNETTE C. HINRICHS
Chairman Zoning & Planning
In response to your letter dated March 30, 1982, I have enclosed
photo copies of the following:
Planning and Zoning Minutes dated July 21, 1980 "OLD TOWNE"
Meridian City Council Minutes dated March 17, 1980 "
There has been no other discussion or action since the "general
agreement of the concept presented".
Sincerely,
L ana L. Niemann
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CITY OF MERIDIAN, ID
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` CHARLES L. WINDER, PRESIDENT 318 E. 37TH STREET
KARL JEPPESEN, VICE PRESIDENT BOISE, IDAHO 83704
LAWRENCE C. JACKSON, SECRETARY PHONE: 344-6111
March 30, 1982
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Re: Olde Towne -Planning Area
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We mould like to know if the document has been adopted as a p1cltLn;ng
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In summary, Smith stated,"It is not a good engineered application to go across
Franklin Rd. with a pressure line into a manhole. It would be an extreme expense
for Barrus while waiting fora line to become available, even if the property of
the uncooperative owner is condemned.
The Motion was made by Kingsford and seconded by Breaver to accept the septic tank
variance for Brent Barrus, dba Meridian Glass and Screen, 560 W. Franklin, subject
to bond approval and when w/s lines are within 300 feet of property, Peridian Class
and Screen will hook on.
Williams stated in discussion of motion, that he was concerned of setting a dangerous
precedent and there not being a time stipulation.
Orton agreed with Williams.
There was discussion concerning 6arrus being in business several years and the fact ~
this property was annexed with the intention of the building of Peridian Class and
Screen business.
brewer stated that he felt the city should make an effort to help this business.
Motion Carried: Kingsford, yea; Orton, yea; Brewer, yea; Williams, nay.
Mayor Glaisyer instructed Barrus not to proceed until contacting the City Clerk
or himself about the bonding.
Agenda
3 Jim Potter - Old Towne
Potter was present, representing residents of the area designated as Old Towne,
properties west of Locust Grove, south of Fairview, north of Pine, and generally
east of Five Mile Creek.
Mayor Glaisyer stated, "The Council has already reviewed this proposal, and
speaking for the Council, correct me if I'm wrong, we are not objectable to your
concept. I personally feel we cannot endorse this tonight until our ordinances
are complete. Until we know what we are dealing with, I say this should be put
on the table." '
Potter stated, We are asking for - not an approval of the subdivision plan, per se.
but the approval to include the land use plan as developed for this future development
as a part of the ordinances so that when the ordinances and zoning map become
effective, they will be a part of it."
Kingsford stated, "I agree with Joe and I agree with Annette Hinrichs that this
needs .to be renamed (Planning and Zoning) they have the ordinances now and are
working on it. The Planning and Zoning is considering things you (Potter) are
proposing now and it is my understanding that if they approve it through the
public hearings, I have no ot~jections to it. If it gets through both public
hearings, I have no onjections whatsoever. It would in fact be a part of that
ordinance and I see no reason for your being here tonight."
Potter stated, "The reason we are here tonight, on the part of the owners, they
have received tentative propsals from several major development corporations and
these development corporations are interested in the project and they would like
putting price figures together and do their marketing studies and so forth. This
is why we pursue this approach, to a.sk for recognizing this as part of those
ordinances that would be adopted, so that these development corporations would
have some positive assurance that the city would consider or recognize this type
of development in that area."
Williams stated, Number one, the Comprehensive Plan is general in nature, we see
by the map on display of policy diagram. Number two, this would not be included
in the ordinances as the city has no jurisdiction on that land, it is not a part
of the city limits of P~eridian, Idaho."
Potter stated, "A portion of it is."
Williams stated, "Until request for annexation comes in, it is a mood point to
talk about this. We have stated previously that the concept generalities as
proposed awhile back was a good beginning. But at this point, until there is
annexation, we are wasting everybody's time, the Comprehensive Plan does not
speak to specifics, we tried to avoid this - getting down to -lots, corners of
being zoned a certain way."
Meridian City Hall .4. July 21, 1980
Williams and Potter disagreed upon the Comprehensive Plan speaking to this
project. (Tape on file with these minutes.)
Orton stated, "Since there is a general agreement with the concept, obviously
on Planning and Zoning, it seems we are talking about mechanics and what this
is going to be used for. It's my feeling that we do, even our policy diagram,
plan in general terms even beyond our limits. And that's so when it does come
in, people will know what our ideas are. I think if we can find a tool to give
Jim (i-'otter), some sort of positive indication to go ahead, I think he has done
a very commendabl? ,job in pulling together a bunch of individual property owners,
put them in a comprehensive schematic that they are committed to themselves, we
will end up in our planning effort, with a much better product than if we waited
and allowed each individual to se71 to the highest bidder and come through here
with individual proposals. Now I know realistically, if we were to adopt this,
went through all the public hearings, not everybody in there is going to comply.
If we do adopt it, at least for the parcels tha~W are committed, we will have a
Comprehensive Plan that is satisfactory to them and meets our requirements."
Orton asked Potter what the mechanics from this point on are.
Potter stated, "If we could have an approval motion of some type adopting this
as an overlay of Comprehensive Plan or as a supplement, or a part, whatever makes
the Council more comfortable, then I believe the development corporations that are
interested would be in the position to proceed with development of their market
analysis and their studies, so that when ordinances are adopted, design could
proceed and the city could look forward to development of this program." (Tape
on file.)
Orton stated, "Would it be understood if there was conceptual approval and direction
to give Planning and Zoning, since this meets your approval, and the concept seems
to be ours, lets take it through the planned amendment process, you understand
there might be 400 people come in and object and it would never get adopted."
Potter stated, "We recognize that, this is why we presented this first to Planning
and Zoning and you folksgot a look at it at a rough stage, why we felt at that time,
an amendment to the Comprehensive Plan was not necessary, as P~1rs. ~-linrichs stated
in her comments, because it is merely greater detailed that whet is in the Compre-
hensive Plan." (Tape on file.)
There was much discussion concerning the adoption of the proposal for the zoning
map, the endorsement by Planning and Zoning, provision of the Comprehensive Plan
® to develop land use plans, and argumentation. (Tape on file with minutes.)
';~~illiar~s cautioned using the same terms, and not to throw the Comprehensive Plan,
'coning map and Policy Diagram as the same thing because they are not.
Potter stated, "The proposed ordinances provide fora planned development, that's fine,
we're looking at this time, as a means, a vehicle to put together 28 ownerships,
work them into a pattern that could be developed, either by sire~le entities or
multiple entities and in no case involves more than three ownerships in any given
block of land. Based upon that, the residents of that area, recognizing there is a
moratorium, discussed at length with [ion Sharp, together recommended this procedure,
that we seek approval of the concept, the land use plan, (displayed land use diagram)
be adopted as a supplement or an overlay, or part of the Comprehensive Plan.
Further in our comments last Monday night, that approximately 75% of the ownerships,
once the ordinances become complete and subject to the marketing studies of the
developers, immediately plan on approaching the city for annexation. At that time,
the city would have this tool of a land use plan ready to give the map as zoning.
Basically, we are asking for, at this time, based upon the rest of the information
in this document of this land use plan, as a part of the Comprehensive Plan for that
area." (Tape on file.)
Kingsford asked, "Wayne (attorney) hasn't that got to be an amendment to the Compre-
hensive Plan?"
Crookston stated, "Any change in the Comprehensive Plan, more detailed or less detailed,
is a change."
Kingsford stated, "This is the one concern I have. I have no problem with it."
Meridian City Hall 5 July 21, 1980
Potter stated he thought it did not require an amendment to the Comprehensive
Plan. (Tape on file with minutes.)
h1ayor Glaisyer stated, "'We a1 ready have approved the concept, Tets get on with
business and get our ordinances completed, and say we are going to put this in a
planned development, don't get the idea you are going to amend the Comprehensive
Plan, you can only do it twice a year, it's costly and miserable, a planned
development is up to us, he's already given us the plan, the ordinances will be
complete, you know what the densities wll be„ and, then we go to work, it's that
simple.:: Why make a=b;g issue out of noi;hing." .(Tape on file with these minutes.)
Potter repeated again, as he stated before in these minutes. (Tape on file with
these minutes.)
Mayor Glaisyer stated, "We are going to approve the concept, and that lets Jim keep
going to work. When .the ordinances are complete, we know what densities we are
going to have, we know how many transfers there's going to be for densities: So,
O. K., bring in the legal descriptions for annexation - now we are going to annex
this piece of land and that's the concept we are going to use. That's what a
planned development is all about.''' (Tape on file with these minutes.)
The Motion was made by f<ingsford and seconded by Orton to accept the general concept
plan by h1r. Potter, Old Towne.
Motion Carried: Kingsford, yea; Brewer, yea; Orton, yea; IrJi1liams, nay.
Williams protested the use of Old Towne, as Old Town is a designation in the
Comprehensive Plan and stated that the concept is there, but as far as any
specific planning, people are taking a chance. (Tape on file with these minutes.)
Agenda
4 Mayor Glaisyer read Ordinance x#377 entitled:
AN ORDINANCE ANNEXING AND ZONING CERTAIN REAL PROPERTY IdHICH IS DESCRIBED AS
FOLLOWS: PARCEL I - LOCUST GROVE INDUSTRIAL PARK SUBDIVISION, And PARCEL II -
S 1/2 OF THE NE 1/4 of the SW 1/4 and the SE 1/4 of the NUJ 1/4 of the SW 1/~I~ of
Section 8, T. 3N., R. lE., B.P1., all in Ada County, Idaho, except Railroad right
o~' way, TO THE CITY OF PERIDIAN, ADA COUPdTY, IDAHO, ADJACENT AND COPJTIGUOUS TO THE
CITY OF MERIDIAN, ADA COUNTY, IDAHO.
The Playor called for anyone wishing to have the ordinance read in its intirety,
there was no comment.
The Motion-.was made by Williams and seconded by Kingsford that the rules and
provisions requiring that ordinances be read on three different days, be dispensed
with and that Ordinance Number 377, as read, be passed and approved.
Motion Carried: Williams, yea; Kingsford, yea; Brewer, yea; Orton, yea.
Agenda
5 Engineer Smith reported on the cross connection authorities. Smith requested the
Council's method of financing to implement the cross connection ordinance.
Orton stated that a few standard inspection categories should be identified for
commercial, residential and industrial and put a fee schedule right in the
ordinance for those inspections. He stated this should be the water department's
responsibility.
Smith is to establish the cost proposal and then to Stuart, Public Works Superintendent
to check if it is adequate.
Agenda
6 Chief of Police Sherwin reported on drinking (.alcohol) in the parks. The department
is trying to enforce the ordinance prohibiting drinking in the par!<s, but the ball
diamonds are presenting a new problem during ball games.
There was discussion concerning the drinking at the park.
Brewer stated that the implementation of permits had been studied, but the city has
an ordinance and admitted that the ordinance should be enforced in its intirety
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Re: Olde Towne -Planning Area,
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We would like to ]mow if the docent ha.s been adopted as a planning
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