HomeMy WebLinkAbout2008 07-09 BudgetMeridian Citv Council Special Workshop Meeting July 9, 2008
A meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order at 8:00 a.m., Wednesday,
July 9, 2008, by Mayor Tammy de Weerd.
Members Present: Tammy de Weerd, David Zaremba, Keith Bird, Joe Burton, and
Charlie Rountree.
Others Present: Directors -Staff.
Item 1: Roll-call Attendance:
Roll call.
X David Zaremba X Joe Burton
X Charlie Rountree X Keith Bird
X Mayor Tammy de Weerd
De Weerd: Okay. We will go ahead and get this meeting started. I'd like to thank all
the directors that are here for being here and certainly would like to thank Stacy and her
staff for all the work and preparation you put into getting ready for today. For the
record, it is Wednesday, July 9th. It's 8:00 o'clock. And we will start with roll call
attendance. Madam Clerk.
Item 2: Adoption of the Agenda:
De Weerd: Okay. Item 2 is adoption of the agenda.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: I move we adopt the agenda as published.
Burton: Second.
De Weerd: Okay. I have a motion and a second to adopt the agenda as published. All
those in favor say aye. You even said it before I asked you.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Item 3: Presentations and Discussions of the Proposed City Department
Budgets (approximate times):
8:00 am Introduction /Preparations
8:15 am Revenue Presentation /Finance Department
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De Weerd: Okay. We are doing well this morning. Okay. Item 3 are presentations and
discussions of the proposed city department budgets. We will start with our esteemed
CFO.
Kilchenmann: Good morning and welcome to the FY09 budget session. I think the first
order of business is Todd handed you out some summaries and this is like a moving
target Todd was chasing last night. Are there any questions on those or, Todd,
anything you need to explain about them?
Lavoie: No. The paperwork is just supplemental paperwork for the documents that
currently exist in your binder. There is minor changes that we found that we changed to
the budget, so just as we get to the pages, just supplement them and you should be
good. Also there is a new flash drive on everybody's computer. Electronic copy we are
going to try for the first time this year. Everything that you have in the book is on that
flash drive, so if you're more of a digital person and want it on your laptop, plug it into
your computer and you will have everything there. Feel free to ask me where to find a
file and all that, because there are a lot of files in it. I tried to make it pretty simple,
pretty intuitive.
De Weerd: That's good.
Lavoie: I tried. This is the first year, so I'd like your feedback whether or not we'd like to
do this ongoing. The goal is to get paperless eventually. That's all I have.
De Weerd: That was a hopeful suggestion.
Kilchenmann: I would like to thank -- I know you all know Todd, but he's done 99.9
percent of the work on this budget.
De Weerd: We know.
Kilchenmann: His second year, so he got really thrown into the fire and he's done an
excellent job. The first thing I wanted to do is kind of just tell you a little bit about the
process we went through. We, actually, start in February working on the budget. We
got through a lot of number crunching in our office, so we get to the point that we have
what the base budget was for the prior year and what the new base budget will be and,
then, Todd goes out and visits with each- department and sits down with them and Todd
actually takes a history of each line item and goes line item by line item through with the
department and we are looking for things we -- that they either don't use or we can take
out or things that need to be increased, like fuel or energy, that can be increased
without going through a budget enhancement. So, Todd goes through that with
everyone and, then, he brings it back and I go through it for items that they have asked
to increase, that maybe Idon't -- I think should be a budget enhancement. So, then, we
get to that point and we put all of those materials together in a similar draft fashion that
you have in your book and, then, we go to the Mayor and to each department and this
year we met as a group of directors and we had the whole budget in front of us and we
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went through and we came to a consensus on what items we wanted to leave in for the
cun'ent year, what items we might want to put off to the next year, what we could do
with .available funding. I think we started with like 13, 14, 15 million more enhanced
dollars than we had money for. So, it was a process we haven't really done as a group
before and I was skeptical, I'm telling you, I was very skeptical, but it actually worked
very well. Everybody really was able to prioritize what they really needed and explain it
to the group and go ahead and leave things in or plan things for next year. So, are
there any questions about the process that we went through? I think in your books you
have all the initial enhancements and you can see where they were withdrawn and so
forth. So, the first -- the first thing I'm going to do, I'm just going to -- we have gone
through the revenue manual and we haven't changed that. I'm just going to do a brief
fund discussion and this is the General Fund -- this is a budgeted fund balance
projection, so I have -- this is just as it is budgeted. It contains no projections. So, it's
telling you what will our unreserved fund balance look like if we spent exactly what we
budgeted and we took exact revenue that we budgeted. So, you can see we have left
in the 6.5 million dollar operating reserve, giving us an unreserved balance of basically
almost six million by the end of the year. Now, that being said, we will probably have
revenue savings of -- I would say at least a million dollars and I'm sure we will have
operating savings. So, that position can improve by, you know, up to two million, two
and a half million, but being conservative we just want to say that we are looking six
million dollars ending fund balance. The next slide is the impact fee funds and fFre and
police have actually out performed their budget numbers. I'm sure they will slightly
exceed their budget numbers. And one of the reasons is because they not only get
residential impact fees, but they get impact fees on commercial building permits. The
parks department -- you know, mid way through the year we were looking at maybe up
to 300,000 dollars revenue under budget, but I just looked at it in June and I -- I'm
thinking it will be around 150 under budget. So, you can see that. It leaves them with a
negative fund balance of about 200,000. The fire truck fund is just -- it's not an impact
fee fund, but I just stuck it on here, because it is a fund we have. One of the ideas that
we have, because we have some big public safety projects that we need to start saving
for and we try -- you know, looking at what we need to budget cun'ently and how can we
save for those projects and because we have experienced savings in the General Fund
over the last few years, one of the ideas that we looked at is perhaps we can take a
portion of that savings and put it into this fire truck fund and change the name of the fire
truck fund into a public safety fund, because the fund's already established, it's already
in the system, it's already got a bank account, and that will allow us to start building up
some money for the firing range, the police station expansion, replacement of fire
trucks, et cetera. So, we won't know -- we know -- we really don't know exactly what the
left over is until we go through the year end close, so the idea is that maybe we could
get to the year end close and automatically part of our budgeting process was that in
January, we looked at what's left and we make a determination X percent or half or all of
it goes into this public safety fund. So, that's kind of one of the new ideas we came up
with this year. I'm actually -- this is on your agenda for me to do right before the
development planning, but since we are in fund balance I'm going to do this now. This
is a projected fund balance. The General Fund fund balance I gave you was a
budgeted one and this is actually a projected one. So, those are not budget numbers,
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those are my projections. So, if we look at the development services fund, which is fund
50, we are looking at a net change balance of I would say 50 to 100,000 dollar positive.
So, if you look through there I have a net change balance of 87,000, leaving them with
an ending fund balance of 750,000. We had two amendments this year in that fund.
And we take out -- because we maintain and operate a reserve in development
services, too the four month reserve, that gives us an ending balance of 1,000 dollars,
which is positive. Fund 55 is our CIP fund and you're going to see something kind of
funky on this, because the auditors really want us to do capital projects out of the CIP
fund. We are not -- I don't necessarily agree with that. Like if we are doing a police
station, that came out of the police budget. And in the case of City Hall, because it's
being funded by a variety of funds, we are going to move that all to the CIP fund. So, if
you look at a fund report you will the see City Hall all out of the Capital Improvement
Fund. And how we have to do that, because it's too complicated if more than one fund
records an asset, so we make operating transfers from the other funds into the City Hall
fund -- or into the Capital Improvement Fund. So, you can see that enterprise --
remember we budgeted four and a half million, we will transfer from their operating to
the CIP fund. We will transfer the money invested in the General Fund to the CIP fund.
So, that's what all of those fund transfers are that you see in amendments at the bottom.
They won't actually be amendments, they will be transfers. And so when we get all
done, we will -- the CIP fund will be at zero, because it's not likely that we will be able to
make transfers from Development Services Fund this year. So, that's kind of what you
will see going on there. .And we looked at development -- when I looked the
Development Services Fund and tried to look at where they would end the year, there is
some factors that are allowing them to break even that have developed through the
year. One thing is that commercial building permits have exceeded our -- our budgeted
number and just, for example, the Selway Apartments, we just had permits for that go
through that were high, so --
De Weerd: Oh, yea.
Kilchenmann: Then, the Planning Department is going to have savings in their PC -- or
their personnel costs. Some of those reasons are they -- they had a vacant position for
part of the year,. the principal planner and, then, they converted that position to an
associate planner. And, then, when we -- when we budget your health insurance, we
budget at the high with a family. We do that, because initially years ago they would go
through and see and count, well, this employee has this insurance and this one has this
one and, then, if a turnover -- an employee changed -- I rr~ean it's not accurate anymore,
so we just -- real conservatively and budgeted the whole amount and Planning had a
significant savings in their insurance. So, we budgeted everything at family and,
obviously, all the staff -- current staff are not using the full family health insurance. So,
think they had like about 100,000, 130,000 dollar savings. And, then, the big health is
the building contractors expense, because we didn't spend that, because the building --
you know, that's matched to sales. So, I hope we never ever ever consider not keeping
inspectors as contractors, because that's a huge lifesaver. Then, I have on the -- on the
right-hand side is just a review of the Development Services Fund transfers to the CIP
fund. It's hard to read on this slide, but through '07 they have transferred 8.2 million to
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the CIP fund and we have spent -- we did -- oh, we did a project at the police station
think with the K-9 training facility and one small park project and, then, the rest of that is
being spent -- has been spent for the City Hall. Okay. So, the final slide that you can
just take and stick in our book or whatever, is a history of the General Fund balance per
the audit and it shows you the four funds that make up the General Fund. The debt
reserve is just the 400,000 we have to keep reserved for police station debt and, then,
the VIP fund, impact fee fund, and the unreserved General Fund balance. And this one
I -- I haven't done a projection yet, but probably will do that and have it in your financial
statements -- your monthly statements soon. So, are there any questions on any of
that? Okay. The next part is my actual presentation. My presentation -- since I have
no fees or no enhancements, I'm just going to review our strategic plan a little bit and
tell you what we plan to do over the next year with our budget dollars and these -- these
challenges are taken from our strategic plan and I'm just -- I'm not going to go through
the whole strategic plan in agonizing detail, but to highlight some of what we feel are
external challenges, one of our big challenges is something that we spend a lot of staff
time on is the result of fiscal irresponsibility that governments and corporations have
been guilty of the last few years. That has generated a tremendous amount of change
in legal and statutory requirements for my profession for our accounting statements, the
way statements are done, and I'm sure that wave of bank misconduct this past year will
generate even more changes. So, that's a big focus for us is maintaining -- you know,
maintaining and following through those rules and regulations. And, again, that's the
same with the second -- the second one that changed in the generally accepted
accounting principles has become extremely complex and as you heard me whine last
year about the audit, because it really focused a lot of responsibility back on the entity
itself, which is good. I mean it makes for a higher level of ethics, it makes for a higher
level of accountability and transparency. One of the big challenges for us is that
ultimately, no matter who comments on it, the finance staff is responsible for all the
financial transactions of the city and sometimes it's hard -- we don't actually come up
with these rules ourselves. You know, they are rules that are standard practice or they
are regulatory or legal and we need to be able to explain that to staff.
De Weerd: See, we thought you all just sat back and schemed on what you could put
us through the next --
Kilchenmann: Yeah.
Zaremba: And that's why you made it up every time differently.
Kilchenmann: No. We are not that creative. So, sometimes it's a challenge for us to
explain that and -- and get everybody to buy into it, because there are things that do
create extra work for all of us. Another one of our challenges has to do with changes in
technology or, for instance, bank regulations. For example, when we went to Check 21
-- and I don't know if you have heard of that, but those are rules governing how banks
handle transactions and Jaycee can attest to this, but the complexity in doing credit
cards is a lot more than we expected. We have bank regulations to follow. We have
reconciliations that are very time consuming. We have 15 people who we all have to
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pay money to in the whole process of passing those on. So, that -- those kind of things
are challenging for our small staff. It's basically a professional staff. We have four
people. We have Todd, Rita, Barb and myself and we used to have Jaycee and
somebody stole her, so we have a new person. And so our level of --
De Weerd: That would be me.
Kilchenmann: Yes. Our level of professional expertise and the time we spend doing
this project definitely had increased. And the current climate for us hasn't increased our
workloads. In fact, it just -- it just kind of increased the level of expertise and service we
need to offer. For example, for long range planning, fee models, and we need to get
you and the directors, staff accurate information, because you need to make decisions
quickly as the economic climate changes and, for example, we used to just be -- in total
building we were besieged in title changes. Well, now that's practically dropped out to
nothing. But, on the other hand, the number of turnoffs have increased to three, three
hundred and fifty a month, bankruptcies, foreclosures, and, then, rental arrangements
have drastically increased. So, that department is really a good economic barometer of
what's happening in our city. And looking at our work plan -- and Todd and I are going
to share this part of the presentation, but we are looking -- we want to start doing five
year pro forma and fund balance analysis for each of the city's funds. When you see
the Enterprise Fund, you will see that done for the Enterprise Fund. Extremely complex
analysis. But I think it provides information that is vital in this kind of -- you know, we all
should plan, but when we are looking at more limited resources, it's extremely important
that we -- we plan five years into the future. We want to do some documentation on our
budget process. We need to do some best -- look at some best practices and kind of
incorporate that into a more formal document with emphasis on control base growth,
long range planning, and my favorite decrease amendments. I'm ever hopeful. Funding
for capital projects and matching revenue expenses. Another thing that we need to do
-- we need to do it because it's a good practice and we probably will have to do it,
because of GASB -- GASB requirement, is performance budgeting and benchmarking.
We will look at standard formats that are accepted by GASB. Again, GASB is the
Government Accounting Standards Board. And we hope you see at least the start of
that in next year's budget. Another thing we want to do is have a formal Council
adoption of a capital improvement five year plan. We have got a capital improvement
plan that needs to be updated. We send it out -- I think that process needs to be more
formalized where we bring it to you and you discuss it and by off on it, have your input
into it. We want to -- the Mayor wants to categorize line item expenses, dividing them
into the variable, which are things that aren't controllable, like fuel. Standards which we
-- like our own employee center, this X amount per employee. We do the same with car
maintenance. Is that true? Line items that can't be over spent, like dues and licenses,
furniture. And, then, those zero based item that we start fresh with each year, like
electronics. And, finally, we continue to look at those items that could be fee based.
One idea I just threw out there that's done not a lot in Idaho, but in other states is some
kind of monthly surcharge for street lights. So, then, the next part of the presentation
Todd's going to talk a little more on the operational side of our department and what
they have planned.
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Lavoie: Good morning, Madam Mayor, Council.
De Weerd: Good morning.
Lavoie: As Stacy said, I'm going to talk about the operations. What we are going to do
with the future monies that you guys allocate to us. I'll try and do it pretty quick for you.
The first thing that we are going to talk about is the payroll and HR. In conjunction with
the HR department and Bill's staff, we are going to be installing a new program called
ABRA. It's going to be a one stop shop for all HR and payroll functions. So, what it's
going to do is eliminate a lot of duplicate paperwork processes we currently have in-
house right now. We are still in a data conversion stage, but it should be in full force,
full use fiscal year 2009. The next thing we are going to look at is accounts payable.
You heard me use a word paperless. We are looking at making the accounts payable
paperless. We are going to look at scanning documentation in our accounting software,
then, that can be referenced at anytime, anywhere, via the web and whatnot and we
won't have to go to a file anymore. If anybody in the field wants to look at what's
attached to the, you know JW bill, they can look at it right then and there if they want to
come to the site about A-B. MIP. That's our accounting software. We are actually
looking at purchasing a new module that will be a front end reporting tool for most of --
it's abig director project manager -- big director manager type of module. That's going
to give a lot of key indicators right then and there in the front page. They won't have to
ask for reports, it will be instantaneous on time, like six or seven key indicators that they
so desire. That should be in full production FY09 as well. Policies and procedures, as
Stacy talked about, we kind of need to start looking at our policies, with the IRS laws
changing every day. The GASB changes. We just need to be held accountable for
everything we decide on, everything we spent, .like Stacy said. Everything comes down
the Finance Department. If it's spent, it's our responsibility. We just need to kind of
retool apologies, make sure we are in compliance with everybody. We just don't want to
make -- make sure we stay out of trouble. That's our ultimate goal. A clean audit is our
number one thing. Our goal is to have a clean audit, but it takes a lot of work to get
that. So, with policies, controls, and changes, we think we can get that. MUBS. We
are looking at actually purchasing a tool that will scan our checks directly from the
office, instead of going to the bank. So, we will get our money into the bank faster,
which will yield a higher interest turning to us. That should be in full production in the
next few months. We are -- or you almost got that purchased. Sheltie Gallagher, the
new MUBS manager, she's got that going for us. She looked into it and it's going to be
pretty useful we think. The budget -- as you see, the budget book is big. It gets bigger
every year. We'd like to look at a new tool that's going to be electronic that's going to be
web based, that's going to consolidate a lot of this work. It's pretty manual. It's a very
manual interface. Let me rephrase that. It's very manual right now, as a lot of your
directors know and you guys know. There are tools out there that will completely -- not
completely, but, you know, make it pretty seamless where you don't have to do as much
manual work, it could be all a line, it's going to be realtime data, so if you want to do
your budget at anytime, you go to the web. So, we are looking into that. We haven't
found the tool yet, but we will be looking at it in fiscal year'09. Hopefully'010 or'011 we
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may come in front of you with -- with a proposal. We talked about the controls for the
audit. We are going to use some of our money that we have for our auditors -- auditing
firm Ide Bailey, and we are going to work with them and talk to them about the
numerous tax laws that continually change every year and have them give us guidance
on any changes that they think we should do with our payroll logs or financial statement
logs. First, we will use them as a source to give us good guidance and make sure we
stay out of trouble and try to achieve that clean audit. And the final thing is the
purchasing department. We are looking at a tool right now with Tom Barry and the
enterprise department, to get a program that will consolidate all city projects into one
program, will be web based, or anytime anybody can look at it programmed -- a project -
- alarge project and see if it's on time, over or under budget at anytime. They could
look at any of the AP vouchers that are on that project. This will, essentially, hopefully,
eliminate any overbudgets, it will keep everything on time. We will be able to give you
guys better reports at any moment on any project, whether -- if you want to know if it's
going to be processed on time or over budget, you guys will have access. Right now
we don't have a tool that does that to this extent. We think it's going to be great. We
think the engineers are going to be able to use immensely and, hopefully, that will be
done in '010. So, you will probably see a proposal from us in '010 on that, hopefully.
Might be in '09. We will see if we have any money. And the Mayor had asked in a
meeting that we go over Other Govemment. I want to know if you would like me to go
over that. now or new -- there is a new way we are doing kind of the bookkeeping for
Other Govemment -- Other Govemment and city expenses. Would you like me to go
over that now or later?
De Weerd: Yeah. We have you scheduled at 3:25.
Lavoie: Okay. I will go over that later, then.
De Weerd: Yeah. That way we stay on schedule on the others.
Lavoie: Not a problem.
De Weerd: Thank you, Todd. Any questions for Stacy or Todd at this point?
Zaremba: Thank you.
De Weerd: Council, I would let you know that because that budget that's presented to
you this year --
Rountree: Madam Mayor, I do have a question for Todd --
De Weerd: Okay.
Rountree:. -- or Stacy, either one. And a lot of your planning and a lot of actions are
related to software or systems that theoretically increase your efficiency. Before you
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acquire those or as you acquire those, are you going to establish some matrix to tell us
that, in fact, you did become more efficient and the expenditures were worthwhile?
Lavoie: Councilman Rountree, we will definitely be working with the MIS committee first
before we purchase anything, to make sure that it is in compliance to the -- the rule that
Terry and IT staff has set for the backup -- you know, the support. Then, hopefully, we
will be available to give you the matrix that say that, you know, we are going to be able
to save X amount of time or X amount of dollars and be more efficient. We will definitely
do that analysis first.
Rountree: Certainly would be something I'd be looking for.
Kilchenmann: For example, the ABRA that you -- you actually approved that in last
year's budget and that is -- I think that is -- we can measurable results and I think we
can give those to you. In fact, we can actually implement it and we can follow up and
give you per -- we have already discovered it saves double entry, because HR isn't
entering and we had HR entering it into -- like Excel stand alone and, then, Barb
entering it into the MIT system. Or Audi entering it twice. So, this will eliminate -- Audi
won't need any of those other systems, it will all be in ABRA and, .then, ABRA
downloads to MIT once a month and all those changes automatically come over.
Rountree: Just for me and maybe the rest of the Council, but that kind of feedback is
what I like to hear, is that are the outcomes what we expect.
Kilchenmann: Yeah. This one I think we can definitely say they are. Barb's all happy.
Rountree: Oh, that's good.
Kilchenmann: And when payroll is happy, we are all happy.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: On that same line, it would be helpful to know if money has been saved and
time has been saved. But I would also have a line in there that says this is a service we
didn't provide before, if there was a new service that was available, because it was now
easier to do, that helps, too.
De Weerd: Well -- and I think that the goal here is not only to create better efficiencies
and tools for our staff, but also to continue to built on the transparency that the Finance
Department has really been striving for over the last several years and access to the
numbers and that sort of thing from our citizens. So, it has two purposes on this and,
certainly, I know the -- the MTI or whatever that committee is -- it's goal is to create
systemwide programs that allow better efficiencies across the board in all departments.
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But we will make sure that those measurements are identified when that's brought back
to you.
Kilchenmann: And I think something that kind of has been really nice in the last few
months is that we have worked a lot, for example, with the Enterprise Fund that's the
kind of work that's really not necessarily gone on between accounting and the
Enterprise Fund before.. A lot of just -- and it's been great. I think, you know, everybody
has a different piece they need to put into that puzzle of where we are going and the
software that Todd talked about for the contract would be a joint effort between both
groups, which helps insure that it's something that isn't just used by one group and it
stands off by itself and it's not integrated into rest of the system.
Borton: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes, Joe.
Borton: Two questions for Todd. This is maybe more citywide. In doing your
interviews, one of the things I noticed going through is the green sheets. I might have
e-mailed you about it -- is the sort of more specificity with account code 57-200,
employee seminars and training and it looks like it needs half of that now broken out in
travel, transportation, lodging, per diem. So, in almost every department the last
several years no one, for whatever reason, come close to using it. So, the question is
when you're having the interviews and walking through with directors on that particular
item, it hasn't been used and you're told we are going to use it, we need to use it, do
you include it? Do you say, no, that's not good enough. We have it. It just seems,
though, they are all spread out more, but they are all high.
Lavoie: Council Member Borton, as you can probably -- as you talk to a lot of the
directors during my meetings, they will probably all say that I want to cut everything.
That will probably be pretty common. And they are all nodding behind me, aren't they. I
do go over every line item and ask them -- you know, we do look at historical trends. If
it's down, I go if you haven't used it, let's cut it. I. give them, the directors, the choice to
tell me what they want to do with their money for their employees. I don't know of their
ultimate goals, but I do bring it up as if they don't spend it, let's reduce it, at least
through. the last average. So, I do present that to them as a choice, as an option, as my
first -- you know, that's why I try to reduce it, but that is brought up to them.
De Weerd: Councilman Borton, I guess just to build on that -- and Stacy had mentioned
in some previous comments on what we want to do in the categorization of the expense
line items, we are looking at some of those line items that we are -- there is variable
standard fix or zero based and we would like to identify what each of those categories
are with the directors, put together those areas that they do need to come back with an
annual plan. Training will most certainly be one of those. And that way, you know, they
have a plan for their employees and we can bring that in the budget process. But once
we kind of allocate the different line items into those areas, we certainly do have ideas
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Bird: I know a lot of snow plowers in the McCall area just use a one ton truck.
Siddoway: We have one one ton truck.
Bird: Why couldn't a snow plow be put on it in the wintertime?
Siddoway: I don't know. Could you talk to that, maybe, Elroy?
Huff: Mayor, Members of Council, Councilman Bird, I have never put one on one of
those before. I think it might be possible. It's a real long truck. We look for some
maneuverability with that in some of the situations we have to get into, so I think that
was part of why the enhancement is the way it is. I have seen some -- most of the
trucks I see locally that are plowing are four by fours. I think in a one ton situation, if
you put enough weight in your one ton you can -- you can probably make that work if
you get it distributed right.
Bird: You got one over there, a red one, that's fixed like a construction truck that should
have enough weight in the back. I'm sure that's a one ton. That red -- isn't that a red
one ton?
Huff: It is a one ton. Actually, I was thinking about the newer one ton that we use on a
daily basis that --
Bird: You have got -- most of them got duals on the back and I have always found that
a two wheel drive one ton is easier to tum in tight corners than a four wheel drive in four
wheel. I have had four wheels for four years, so --
Huff: The only one that I would use that I think is safe enough that we could take a look
at is the -- the longer one ton. The red one for backing up and going forward and doing
things like that, I'm not comfortable with the visibility in that truck at all. But, other than
that, it's certainly heavy enough -- it's one of the older trucks that we have in the fleet,
but it's -- it's a heavy one. It's --
Bird: My~concern on buying afour -- four-by-four just to do snow plowing is last year we
did have to plow, but there has been years where you have had to plow. So, you're
investing 32,000 in something that might be used once every ten years, where you
could buy a two ton -- half ton pickup to do 99 percent of your work at half the cost.
That's all I was looking at and you got a truck over there that you could just put a plow
on.
Huff: That truck also, if we were to fund that, would also be a full time tow vehicle for a
couple of things that we are doing now that we are towing as we are on the edge of not
being safe as where we should be. So, that's afull-time truck used in towing all the time
during the summer months and there is not an idle time for that truck.
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Bird: Do you need a four wheel drive to tow?
Huff: Not necessarily. That's more for -- that's more for the snow removal, but it
handles. the weight if what we are doing to towing and -- and unless we got some other
situation we would need it for that, but wintertime, for plowing and maneuverability,
that's the best safest thing for us. That's the reason we have asked for it that way.
Appreciate that.
Siddoway: We do do a lot of towing of equipment year around. During the summer our
large mowers and things like that, so -- and our -- as Elroy said, we are kind of pushing
the limits of a couple of vehicles safety-wise and if we just -- which would be a safety
improvement as well for our towing during the summer. Okay. Our fifth enhancement is
a small one, 4,000 dollars, but an important one to us. It would be a contribution to
Meridian Middle~School. We have a very heavy partnership with them where they host
most of our recreation classes. They do host summer camps. Sports leagues. As well
as after school programs. And in the spirit of that partnership, since we contribute to the
wear and tear of their facility, we would like to contribute 4,000 dollars that would help
go towards improvements at that school.
Bird: Steve?
Siddoway: Yes, sir.
Bird: Do you not -- for the adult basketball league and all that, do you not pay a fee to
use the gyms?
Siddoway: No. I don't believe that we do pay the school. No. We pay no fee for the
gym.
Bird: Okay.
Siddoway: They give that to us free of charge.
Bird: That's very good.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: Just a comment on the partnership with the school district. You haven't got
to it yet, but Item 7 indicates that the school district is willing to donate 20,000 dollars to
something that we need done there. It would seem like the 4,000 which we are asking
on the one is a good trade.
Siddoway: Thank you. Christmas decorations and banners. I have a revised
enhancement here to hand out. The original one that's in your packet asks for 83,500
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dollars and about 37,500 dollars would be city funded, with the anticipation of the
balance of that either being funded in a partnership with MDC or waiting. We were
fortunate -- well, we met with -- we met with MDC a couple of weeks ago. They had
asked us to look at ways to decrease those costs. We were fortunate in that the same
day at AIC there was a vendor for commercial Christmas decorations and their prices
were quite a bit cheaper. So, we have been in contact with them over this past week in
bids and working this out. If you look at the -- the second page of I just handed out. A
little section in bold in the middle. The proposed amount for MDC to fund would drop
46,000 to 22,300 under this proposal and the proposed amount for the city would drop
from 37,500 to 20,600. What that gets us is Christmas lights on the new City Hall, both
on the building and on the trees surrounding City Hall. Anew 16 foot Christmas tree for
the foyer of City Hall. And for the main street light poles along -- along Main Street and,
then, banners and lights for those banners along Main Street. Questions? Okay. Our
seventh one is Heritage Middle School ball field fencing for just under 40,000 dollars.
The sideline fencing along those fields are -- are four feet. We feel that there is a safety
concern for overthrows and we'd like to raise those to eight feet per city standard.
There are no outfield fences at this time. We would like to add those to demarcate
where the outfield line is and, then, encroachment from people that are spectators, as
well to give an edge to that for home runs and such. The School District, Ihave -- it -- I
had a conversation and I had an a-mail from Dr. Linda Clark stating that they are willing
to fund half of that 20,000 dollars. We feel it's important for safety and I have also
thought, given the potential controversy of funding improvements on the ball field, how
could we -- how could we recoup some of our costs associated with this that looked at
the possibility of increasing our team fees for the softball league and teams that play out
there 25 dollars to help recoup those fencing costs- over time. I conservatively
estimated, based on the registrations that we were currently seeing, that we would
anticipate about 1,250 dollars a year by increasing the fees 25 dollars per team.
Bird: Steve, on that same deal when we -- when we had talked about Heritage fields
earlier, I believe Councilman Rountree and myself asked that once this league was --
the fast pitch league was over we would get a report on how many citizens of the City of
Meridian -- taxpayers of the City of Meridian was involved in that -- I believe that it was
over. Could we get that within a couple weeks?
Siddoway: I don't know if we will know where each player came from. I will try and get
that. I can tell you, though, that they did come from all over the valley. I mean this is
seen as a regional facility and we did have teams coming from as far away as Twin
Falls and Fruitland to be able to play here on those fields. The turf equipment, we are
asking for an enhancement to purchase a turf slicer as part of our turf management
program that we are implementing. A turf slicer is similar to an aeriator, but it does not
leave the messy plugs up on top where our parks are pretty well year around. We have
a lot of mess associated with the plugs when we aeriate. This will help with soil
compaction from heavy use in our parks and will help us avoid more costly renovation
projects like we are seeing on the baseball field out at Settlers Park this year. Okay.
The adult sports expansion enhancement for 5,000 dollars is to fund the cost associated
with a growing sports program, but this enhancement will be off-set by revenues. I
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Page 24 of 160
expect this one to be a wash in terms of cost to the city. Bower Street shop renovation.
This is our current facility. We have tried to figure out how to put aBand-aid on the
existing shop and keep using it until we get a new shop. With administrative staff now
moving to City Hall, we do have a couple of unused -- we will have a couple of unused
offices in the back. If you look at the photo on the bottom, you can see where there use
to -- at one time there was a roll up door here and it comes into this area where those
offices are that are no long needed. This enhancement would allow us to put the roll up
door in there, convert this back into a shop and give us sorely needed shop space until
we do get a new facility. Our tree inventory software. We now have over a thousand
trees in our existing park system. Tracking them in an ad hoc manner I believe no
longer works. We anticipate a hundred more being planted in the next several years.
We need to make a long range management plan to monitor the urban forest health and
do replacement and pest control program. This enhancement does cover the license
that Public Works would need for us to have access through GIS, a GPS unit and our
GIS license in the Tree Works professional program. The Storey Park restroom. We
only have one restroom left in our.system that does not -- is not part of our automatic
door locking system. It makes it susceptible to vandalism. In order to install the
automatic door locking system it would require new doors and jams, power supply, time
clock and associated wiring and we can install that for as little as a thousand dollars.
The final one is a new computer. When we move into the new City Hall we will need a
second work station at the front counter to help take shelter reservations, course
reservations and sports reservations for the public. The enhancement does include a
computer, software, and monitor per IT's cost. With that I will stop and thank you and
we are trying very hard to implement those plans that we have and I will stand for any
questions.
De Weerd: Council, questions?
Rountree: I don't have any questions. I have some comments.
De Weerd: Okay.
Borton: I have a question. You go first.
Rountree: You have got a question?
Bird: Ask the question first.
Borton: Steve, in no particular order, I kind of jotted some down from hearing what you
-- as you went through these. One of the things we talked about on the recreation
program awhile back was trying to create some sort of business plan that would show
us the cost and expenses and income associated with the rec program.
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Borton: And it kind of ties it down to the cost for the community center and the rec
programs and costs and revenue offsets. Is there anything that --
Siddoway: Yeah. I do have cost versus revenues already pulled together for sports
and recreation. I have not factored in the community center into those, because it's just
been looking at our trends up until now, but we can add -- we could add that, make
some projections, and bring that back.
Borton: Okay. That would be great.
Siddoway: Okay.
Borton: On the Heritage ball fell fences, that's phenomenal if the district's apparently
committed some funds. I know there was discussion trying to get some of those private
clubs to participate. My initial reaction would be -- and maybe this was the district's, too
-- to be reluctant even budget for it and really try and help get them on the hot seat to
participate like they have originally told us they would.
Siddoway: The sports teams you mean?
Gorton: Yeah. Some of the private clubs. It's used a ton. I'm out there a bunch. It's
really popular. So, I don't know if you let their obligation off the hook too easy if we fund
-- and maybe the district would feel the same way, if we fund it all and really they have
no skin in the game. So, that's just one concern on that.
Siddoway: Okay.
De Weerd: I guess, Mr. Borton, just a comment on that. They were looking at the
partnership for the dugouts and benches and those kind of things that -- the fencing was
more of a safety issue that we felt was important. I guess that -- when we talk to
partnership with the different clubs, the people we originally talked to were no longer
involved in that, but I believe that those -- those expectations or suggestions have
certainly been out there. The fencing is a little bit different from what that was, but --
and that's why I guess Steve came back and said -- is looking at increasing the team
fees, so that we can recoup those costs over time. I just wanted to -- in the original
discussions that was a little bit different and unfortunately --
Siddoway: I don't know a lot of that history.
De Weerd: Yeah. Unfortunately, the fencing we weren't a part of the decision on what
fencing went in and it is a safety issue that brought this up.
Borton: I appreciate that. It begs the question that maybe I need the update from
current status of their obligation for the dugouts or whatever. What specifically these
private groups are going to be doing in that process, how much they have raised --
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Siddoway: And I know of none at this time to my knowledge that they are -- that the
clubs are doing, but raising the fee is one way to, you know, for lack of a better term,
force that participation. But we can make some improvements and they can help pay
for it through their team fees. But I'll certainly look into it with those groups that are out
there. You bet.
Borton: And then -- Madam Mayor? The last question was the need for the
maintenance building. Been hanging out there. We know it's coming. I don't see any
allocation of -- like Stacy described, a savings account that when you start building up to
help solve that -- that issue of --
Siddoway: You're right, we don't -- I don't have a cost estimate or a location for one yet.
We have been looking into the issue -- we, Councilman Zaremba and I, met with the --
the school district representatives to look at a possible site out on Lanark. That site
does not look like it's going to work. We have been considering possible locations with
-- in association with the water department building out at Eighth Street Park, but, really,
we don't have a solid proposal yet to bring forward, so that's why it's not on there. But
we could start saving towards one.
Borton: You got to just start rat holing funds?
Siddoway: I think that would be -- that could be good. I had enough requests already, I
guess. But I think that's a great idea.
De Weerd: That rat holing is an official accounting term; correct?
Borton: And, then, the last two questions of the Meridian Middle School after school
program, I'm not smart enough to see where it's showing on the green sheet, but there
was talk when the year ended. I know it's a great program and it didn't seem to be huge
and we are going to look and see is it something we want to continue to fund or let it go.
There is that cost to --
Siddoway: Right now we are planning to give it a second year. This last year was its
first year. In talking with Allison, we are hoping to give it a second year and try and blitz
the advertising for it, you know, attend some the school assemblies and try and get the
word out and as things go right now it's just funded as part of the base budget. It has
been successful and we would like to -- we have talked with the Boys and Girls Club
about partnerships and we do feel like we are filling different Hitches, we are not
competing with one another, and so I think we would like to fund it for this coming year
and see if we can't grow the program. And if you have specific questions about it, I can
invite Allison up.
Borton: That's all right. If you can bring it back later. I was just curious if you have
some data that shows what the costs are, any way to try and pull that out.
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Page 27 of 160
Borton: So, if we said we want to cut the program, what does that mean? And I'm not
saying I do or we do, but just to be able to know that would save the city 2,000 dollars or
82,000 dollars or -- I just don't know.
Siddoway: Do you know a ballpark? Allison tracks that .budget directly, so --
Kaptein: Okay. Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, Councilman Borton, the -- last
year or the year before -- it was last year when we were doing budgets, last year we
had 6,000 dollars approved to add to my base recreation class expense budget for the
after school program. We did not spend all of that money, but that's approximately what
is allocated. The issue with cutting the after school program -- and I would need to
explore this further with the middle school, my understanding last summer was that if we
were not going to run the middle school after school program, the middle school was not
going to allow us to use their site for recreation classes, which pretty much leaves us
with nothing. So, that -- and that was my understanding coming into it, having been
hired in June, with budgets in July and just jumping straight into summer crazy
recreation programs. That was my understanding from Mrs. Austin, the principal over at
Meridian Middle. Things may be different now, but it was kind of a -- we will see if we
can use our building when the Council approves the after school program. So, that is
where we are at, I think.
Borton: Okay.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes, Mr. Bird.
Bird: Allison, don't leave.
Kaptein: Yes, sir.
Bird: Repeat that for me. We are talking about the Bill Berg and West Lowe gyms not
being able to be used if we don't fund this after school program?
Kaptein: I don't believe that the gyms were included in that. And we are talking
specifically more classroom space, cafeteria, for the recreation classes that we hold,
ballroom dance, art, those sorts of things. I don't believe the sports program is affected
by that; You'd have to double-check with Colin, but that's my understanding.
Bird: I don't like to be threatened by anything. Not when over half my tax bills go to the
school district.
Kaptein: Thank you.
Borton: Thank you. Thanks, Steve.
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Page 28 of 160
Siddoway: Thank you.
De Weerd: Other questions, Council?
Zaremba: Huh-uh. Thank you.
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree?
Rountree: I guess I'm really concerned with the 23.4 percent increase in the overall
budget, given the year we have had and the year we are looking at. And I'm not
comfortable even thinking about approving it at this point in time. I think we have got to
give it a lot of consideration. Is this the appropriate time to do some of these things. I'm
the first one to say -- and was one of the first ones to get the parks commission going
and all that kind of stuff and get impact fees and we do need this stuff, but we have got
a tough year ahead of us I think, so I'm having a difficult time being comfortable with
some of the enhancements. I'd like to explore what we can do at Heroes Park for less,
potentially. I do not support the Heritage Park enhancement. I do not support the
Bower Street shop renovation. I do not support the tree inventory. I do not support -- I'd
like to see better tree decorations, Christmas decorations. As far as the snow plow,
would suggest that in your replacement you look at replacing the '79 Ford pickup with a
three-quarter ton pickup and if we need additional snow plowing on the years when we
actually have snow -- this last year was the first year in about ten or 15 we did, that we
look at an emergency budget enhancement for contract work to do that. So, I'm looking
at the ways to trim this, yet still accomplish some activities. I'm also a little perturbed
that we did ask -- and we talked about Heritage ball field, that we wanted to know who
and where they were coming and we can hear the numbers, but we cannot yet find out
whether or not or how much benefit the City of Meridian's getting out of that. And as far
as Settlers Village Square phase one -- and this is no reflection on you, Steve, but when
we estimate for projects and that's a completed price, the pencil better be sharpened
when we approve it, because we approved that last year to get phase one done and in
place this summer and it's not happening. So, just take that as a word of advice on any
of these other things. Be a little more generous with a little less -- you know, that way
we will have funding to do these projects, because when I sit here and approve a
budget to do something and the public asks about that something and I tell them it's
budgeted and it will happen, I expect that we figure out how to make it happen.
Siddoway: Yes, sir. And on that specific one that's why I was still looking at ways to do
it this summer by perhaps borrowing against that land acquisition account that's there
right now.
Rountree: And my opinion this summer is too late. It should have been in place as
soon as weather permitted. But that's neither here nor there. It didn't happen. And
don't -- again, that's not on your shoulders, but that's the kind of thing I think we need to
watch out for.
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Page 29 of 160
Siddoway: Okay.
Rountree: My big concern with that kind of increase, given the year we have got, out of
the General Fund -- and I just threw out some concerns I have where potential cuts are.
That's my opinion. There is four of us, so we will find out how we do this as we go
through the day.
Siddoway: Yeah. I'm not sure fully how to respond, other than to say that we have
worked together as a team to try and bring you a balanced budget based on Stacy's
conservative revenue projections. So, I believe that the funds are there and just hope
that we can fund those items that you see as important to the city.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: Just a comment also. I agree with Councilman Rountree that this is a year
for belt tightening all the way around, but on behalf of our citizens, who are also belt
tightening, we are likely to see increased use of stay at home, use our parks, as
opposed to taking the trip to Yellowstone or someplace else and I think certainly the
enhancements to complete parks, the facilities that are in the parks and available to the
citizens to use, I think those are important to get done.
Siddoway: And I would add that we continue to look for cost savings opportunities
through things that we can do in house, as well as those partnerships and leveraging
volunteers whenever possible.
Rountree: Oh. And one other comment. What about recycled material furnishings for
the community center, apply for a matching grant, which I'm sure you'd get.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes, Mr. Bird.
Bird: I, too, agree with Councilman Rountree, but he said it a little nicer than I was
going to. The phase one, Steve -- and I realize that it isn't your problem out there, but
we did budget for it and I thought that was in the plans to get started as soon as spring
weather broke and, to be truthful with you -- and we discussed this. I'm quite shocked
that it wasn't, but that's certainly not your fault. I just feel the same way, that there is --
we have just -- it's hard when everybody else is cutting budgets and cutting costs and
we are adding 23 percent. Now, we have got -- in my opinion, we have got a pretty
good -- for ten years a pretty good parks system. The employees and stuffs done a
great job and administration getting that -- we know we are not complete. Our
recreation program is ten times better than it was ten years ago. So, I -- but Ijust -- I
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Page 30 of 160
De Weerd: Can you speak a little louder?
Bird: Oh, I'm sorry, Madam Mayor. I never get accused of being quiet.
Holman: I'm sorry, Keith, but I think the stenographer is having a hard time and they
can't hear you very well in the back if you're not on the mike and Charlie's a little quiet,
too, when he was leaning back.
Bird: Well, I have never been accused of being quiet. I usually don't need the mike.
But, anyway -- I lost my train of thought now. And that was a good point. But, anyway,
that's my feeling is I just -- I just don't think that at this stage of the game that we need
to be increasing our budgets by 23 percent and I think there is some enhancements
there that while they are nice, they are not necessary. And I think there is some things
that we might have to do with something old for another year or something as well.
Siddoway: We can do that, just so long as we are clear and understand the -- you
know, what comes with not funding those and that we are ready to accept that.
Bird: The sad part of it is is your impact fees, as Stacy stated right off the bat, your
impact fees get affect by residential.
Siddoway: Yes.
Bird: The other two -- the safety impact fees include commercial and thank the good
Lord that our commercial volume has stayed up, our dollar volume.
Siddoway: Yes.
Bird: And so we don't have the -- we don't have the revenue that we had a couple of
years ago coming in and that makes a difference. That's my two bits worth. Or penny.
De Weerd: Well, Council, I guess I would look for further direction so Steve can come
back on bringing something in response to your questions about Heroes Park and what
he needs to cut out. A large part of that is the restroom facility, which has -- when we
brought this to you earlier, been suggested as a priority to get facilities out there. We do
have a commitment to the neighborhood as well and answering to several different
subdivisions' comments and complaints and one of the areas that we most recently
improved. So, if you can give him a better idea of how you would like to see that trend,
a percentage or an amount, so that we have a better opportunity to bring something
back a little bit more palatable. The other regard, what I would ask of finance, if it's at all
possible -- we have an obligation from the General Fund to spend money to match
capital improvements or the impact fees. We don't do that very often in parks and when
we do we get these kind of comments. And so I really need to see what you're actually
looking for. This -- this will go to credit what the city's obligation is to impact fees. So,
we need a little bit more direction, so that at the end of the day for the discussion, we
can bring something back to you that can help respond to your comments.
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Page 31 of 160
Rountree: Madam Mayor, you know, you -talk about Heroes Park. I -- and we've all
agreed that the restrooms are a priority and there is no question and I know that's the
biggest portion of that. With respect to your comment about we have an obligation,
understand that nowhere anywhere have I seen what that obligation is at this point in
time.
De Weerd: And we will respect that, too.
Rountree: And we need that. And I know that we probably aren't going to get that
percentage down that much, but if we get it down three to six percent on some of these
things that, yeah, they are important, but I got to tell you you probably can get by
another year until the times are a little better without the tree inventory system. That's
17,000 -- that's almost 18,000 dollars. And, you know, in our multi-million dollar budget
that's chump change, but, you know, it works on that percentage, is this year we need
that or could it wait a year.
Siddoway: Well, that's why toward the end -- we have prioritized what we see as the --
the order of priority, so that one is toward the end of that list.
De Weerd: Well, Steve, what I would ask is maybe you and Elroy can huddle and see
what -- what you can bring back to respond to Council's comments, see if we can get an
update on our match to the Capital Improvement Plan and our impact fee obligations
and just have that so that there can be more robust discussion during the discussion
phase. Does that sound reasonable?
Bird: That sounds reasonable to me. I'm like Councilman Rountree, I mean Heroes
Park, the reason --
Rountree: I mean I'm a little grumpy this morning, because I had to get up early, so I
don't know about the rest of these guys.
De Weerd: Oh, gosh, congratulations, Steve, on being the first up. One for the team.
Thank you. Thank you, Steve.
Siddoway: Thank you.
De Weerd: Appreciate it. We are a little bit behind schedule, but we will keep going on
if -- Council, if you don't mind. We are going to break or do you need a five minute
break?
Rountree: I'm just getting geared up for Keith.
De Weerd: Okay. Maybe -- oh, oh. Maybe they need a five minute break. We will take
a five minute break. Okay. Just switch over.
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9:30 am Break
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De Weerd: Okay. I'm going to go ahead and start the meeting again. We have now in
front of us -- it's Legal, HR, and IT Departments and also our Boise prosecution
presentation. So, go ahead and tum this over to Mr. Nary.
Nary: Thank you, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council. Thank you for letting me
present our budget presentation today. I have our presentation split up a little bit, kind
of like a public hearing, something you're generally used to. We have a section or a
portion of this that I will present. Terry Paternoster, our IT manager, will also present
the section on the IT enhancements that we are looking at for the next budget year and,
then, a portion of our hour time we had set aside for the presentation from our friends
from the city of Boise that handle our prosecution contract, both to update you on the
progress and the process and how the prosecution has been working, as well as the
costs for the coming year. So, we can go ahead and get started. I tried to use a
consistent theme throughout. That is a barrister on the right if you're wondering what in
the world is that thing. That is a banister. So, we can move onto the next slide.
De Weerd: And they are all faceless; right?
Nary: These are some of the numbers that HR deals with in the coming year. We have
requested through finance a three percent salary market adjustment for the fiscal year.
That's consistent with the budget adjustment that we do for the entire city budget. We
did request a four percent merit pool, as we had in the prior year, in this current fiscal
year FY-08. It has been a four percent merit pool. That is the same pool that we have
used -- an amount we have used for the fire contract as well. Just numbers that you're
aware of, full-time, part-time employees of the city we have 287 cunently. Additionally,
we have 46 seasonal employees. Those are -- a lot of them are parks and rec folks,
recreation programs, day camp, those type of things. We have two interns in the city.
That percentage of the employees to population is lower than all comparable cities and
all I used for that calculation or that basis was in looking through the AIC manual, they
list population and full time employees within the various cities in the state. We are
approximately one employee up to close to 250 to 280 residents, depending on which
number you use. Most other cities in the state are well below 200, many are around the
hundred category. The city by Kuna, according to the book, is the only one that's
probably significantly under staffed. But all the other cities are much significantly higher
numbers of employees versus residents that they have. Applications in 2007, we had
1,132 applications for open positions. We hired 41 new people. We promoted 42
people. We terminated 37. And we hired some 34 people last year for seasonal and
this year it's gone up. That's due in part to the parks and rec program that have
increased and the different offerings that they have had.
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Page 33 of 160
Borton: Real quick. Does that termination mean termination or they left?
Nary: Both. When we classify termination is both the voluntary and involuntary
termination. So, that's everyone that's left, including retirees.
Borton: Thank you. Sorry.
De Weerd: No, that's --
Nary: Next, our current benefits have not changed as to what we offer to employees.
We have a Blue Cross program. Delta dental. We have a vision provider to Blue
Cross. We provide the flexible spending account for folks, including the benefit cards.
We now have 138 employees. If you remember three and a half years ago when I
came here we had less than a hundred employees, we had about 80 that were in the
program at the time, now it's 138. Part of that has been through your being able to fund
the program and being able to make it make more available for employees. Prior to me
coming here as the HR director, all the employees had to pay for the program
themselves, which meant very few ever used it. Now, we have a much higher usage
and what we find, again, as I told you in the past, flexible spending is probably the one
benefit that benefits both the employee and the city, because it lowers the employee's
income -- of taxable income, it also -- it also lowers the contribution that the city has to
make towards that. This year, unfortunately, right now we are looking at a potential 11
percent increase. We, actually, had originally budgeted the potential of a 15 percent
increase. That's overall. Most of that is driven by Blue Cross. We are going to market
this plan to Blue Shield to see if we can get a better rate, either from Blue Cross from
that or from Blue Shield. Blue Shield has improved in the quality of services and their
ability to provide greater services in the last few years and other cities have done the
same thing and have been successful at being able to get better rates. We are hopeful
to bring that 11 percent down a little bit, if at all. But that's our objective right now. I did
give approval to our consultants yesterday to go ahead and market the plan. We do
provide all employees with life insurance. We provide them with short term disability
and long term disability, as well as, of course, the AP, and, then, PERSI, of course, is a
required benefit that we provide. We have optional benefits for employees to access,
including the Person Choice Plan, which, essentially, is an additional 457 type of plan.
We have a variety of different financial management plans. We have had Chris Kline,
he just, in fact, sent me yesterday a request that he was going to be doing an analysis
for us to see what types of plans we use and what might be better in the marketplace for
our employees to access. Again, these are voluntary. The city doesn't contribute to
them, but it might give employees better information for long term retirement needs. We
are also looking at the potential --
De Weerd: Well -- and, Bill, I think on that, we want to have an assessment in how
those plans perform and if we are offering them to our staff and they are poor
performers, we really don't want to --
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Page 34 of 160
Nary: Exactly. We have been very stingy in allowing more vendors into the doors
since I have been here, because I -- as the Mayor stated, I really feel that if we are
going to have employees -- have access to the employees for folks to use this, even for
voluntary plans. We want to feel comfortable that they really provide a service to the
employees. So, Chris Kline is going to do that for us to help give us a little bit more
information. We can take that information back to the benefits committee. Another
interesting thing we discussed at the last benefits committee meeting that we may be
able to offer employees on a voluntary basis -- again, is pet insurance. Many
employees don't have kids, so they have pets, and this would not be city funded, this
would be employee funded, but there are options out there that exist in the marketplace
that might be beneficial to employees. One of the things I asked our consultants to be
sure of, in the past many of those plans were not offered or not attractive to people,
because they didn't cover basic pet care. It generally covered catastrophic care and for
most folks it wasn't really worth the risk to spend that kind of money for those kind of
things. But many of them do now offer general care for their pets and so that might be
something that might be available as an option for employees. Again, it's voluntary, it's
not city funded. We will just see what the marketplace has for that. I did want to make
note before I forgot that our staff from the legal department and half of our HR
department or a third of our HR department is here. Audi is here. Nancy is out of town
this week. And Marilyn is manning the fort next door. And our IT staff is here as well.
So, I appreciate all of them being here.
De Weerd: And, Bill, I think you had a couple of new faces that Council probably hasn't
seen and --
Nary: I will have Teny introduce them. There is a picture of them in the presentation
and I will have Terry introduce them when he gets up here.
De Weerd: Thank you.
Nary: Next a few of the accomplishments we have had in the last year. The wellness
committee, we have actually had in place for a couple of years. This last year they have
worked very hard on two things. We did an altemative transportation survey throughout
the city in anticipation of moving to City Hall, the cost of fuel that exists today that we
are all aware of. We wanted to look at some way to provide incentive and opportunity
for employees to take altemative transportation. We, unfortunately, in the city don't
have a lot of access to mass transit, but we do have access to van pools, car pools,
bicycling, and some other methods that people are interested in and I tell you -- I don't
have the numbers -- the final numbers from the survey, but the response was
overwhelmingly in favor of altemative transportation and car pools and van pools and
incentives to do that were very much favored by the employees and so our objective
with the wellness committee is to take that data at our next meeting and start to develop
a program and a plan to bring back to you to fund and to look at what can be done
inexpensively. We have bike -- a bike locker available in the new City Hall for people
who bike to work, but we also want to provide other means. We have many employees
that live too far away to be able to bike here, but van pools or car pools are available to
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many of them. We are going to look at trying to target different areas of where people
live and maybe that might be something we can work out through scheduling to be able
to allow employees that live say in Middleton, Star, or somewhere else, that they could
actually car pool to work together.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes.
Zaremba: I'm sure you're aware of this, but the ACHD Commuter Ride program will
help you put that together.
Nary: Yes. Yes. And that's exactly where we would go. Once we get our data
together that's the next step is trying to figure out how we can make that work with
ACHD, because they already have a program in place that we don't have to recreate.
So, no, I totally agree with you, Councilman. The employee workout program. This is
really a desire of the wellness committee for the last couple of years is that we have that
in the new City Hall. It is designed. It's a very large room. We are working with the fire
department and a vendor to look at outfitting that room. What we have found and what I
was able to report back to the employee committee at the last meeting is that gives us
LEED points. That's a benefit to the city that we unintended at the time it was thought
of, that, ultimately, now, besides the value that it brings to the employees to give them
an opportunity to use the facility in the building, have showers and lockers and things
like that, but be able to use that for the employees' benefit, also benefits the city in the
LEED category. We have done some policy revisions. Two of them were probably the
most significant that you all are aware of was the travel policy -- we made some
significant changes in that. You have seen that now reflected in the budget, trying to
comply with the IRS regulations. We have broken that out now and now we have the
per diem policy in place and we have found -- although it's still in its infancy it still seems
to be working well. People seem to get it. Obviously, we will have some fine tuning to
it, but, generally, the policy I think is -- was put together very well and I think
everybody's contribution really helped make it something usable for the department.
The drug free workplace, as you know, we were responding to a -- a federal case out of
this circuit that prohibited drug testing in certain areas. What we did in revising that was
to eliminate it for the ones that the courts don't allow, but make it real clear that when
we are talking about a drug free workplace in the City of Meridian, we are not just
talking about illegal drugs, we are also talking about abusing alcohol that has an impact
on your job. We want to make that clear to all employees that those two things that this
city is concerned with and it's not necessarily going to tolerate and that it can impact
your employment. We -- over the last year and a half or so we have had amulti-
department code enforcement team. We meet monthly with the police department,
code enforcement folks, Lieutenant Overton's group and Sergeant Gonzales and the
four code enforcement officers, my staff, the planning department and the building
department to address exactly what's up there. Garbage, weeds, and signs. We deal
with that monthly, what can be there, what can't be there. Mrs. Kane from my office has
been the primary contact for many of the issues that we have from the police. The rock
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guy is our recent issue we have dealt with. All of you drove by the rock garden that was
down there at Franklin and Main Street. Wasn't permitted. Wasn't allowed. Eventually,
we were able to convince them that that wasn't the best use of that property and they --
the rock guy went away. But we spent a lot of time and effort in coordinating with the
police and planning department and the building department to make sure we match up,
so that, ultimately, if something does end up at the prosecution end, which our
prosecutors are here, that we have vetted that through all the different departments,
make sure it's compliant with the code. We have tried all the other means to get
compliant and now we tum it over to the prosecution. I think it's been very successful. I
think it's real positive for all the departments to be able to have that interaction, so that
we can really make sure we put the best face forward with the different issues that we
have with the public. We have had some IT enhancements this year. And that wasn't
really an enhancement slide, I just thought it was a funny slide.
De Weerd: I think it's me.
Rountree: It's true to life.
Nary: Yeah. That's what I thought. We have had a number of them as you can see up
there. The help desk software that we added to the city in the last year. Terry's group
and division has really stepped up in helping the department of findings ways to track
different projects, especially the Mayor's office with the multiple amount of projects they
have. It's a better tool than we have had. They have added staff. Brad Lloyd is our
primary help desk person, has really been an asset to various -- various employees in
the city in getting them more comfortable with our system and how it works and improve
the Planning and Zoning application process with the Planning Department, the ABRA
software you heard about earlier with -- with finance, that's been a great addition to the
HR side. The intranet look up now for employees on the intranet, they have a means to
go and find other employees' photos, they can see who works here. I'll tell you, every
time I look through it I think I don't think I have seen this person before. So, it's a great
means to be able to see who works here and when we get into the new City Hall I think
that will be helpful as well. They have been able to create a better means of managing
the a-mail, so that we don't have overloads of a-mail like we have had. Many
employees used to get commands -- it seems like weekly that their a-mail boxes are full.
They have been able to manage that. It's also helped as we have had some
voluminous public records request that some of you are aware of. We have been able
to manage getting those a-mails for those requests by that system, so IT has been a
great help with that. We have automated time sheets. I think all of our time sheets are
now automated, even the fire department which were probably the most complicated
ones to do. IT has been able to get that working. The VPN is a great tool for
telecommuting for folks that have the ability or the time to work off site that allows them
access to their desktop. It's not just an a-mail access, which is what our old system
allowed, but actually allows them to access their programs, their documents, their e-
mails, everything from their home computer. Everybody but the Mayor is able to access
that, and that's been a great tool for everybody --
MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL MEETING
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De Weerd: That's something to brag about.
Nary: Yeah. It's by design. All the directors chipped in and said maybe we won't have
the Mayor access that. That would be a good thing.
De Weerd: No more 2:00 a.m. e-mails.
Nary: We had a graphic design intern this last year, Brianna McCutchen, and she was
able to help many different programs and departments in trying to put better graphics on
their -- on the Internet, whether it was to provide a logo for like the Mayor's book club --
it was a different skill set than we have had in the past in the IT department and it's
been really -- it was really a nice addition. I mean she brought just a different flavor, a
different set of skills and it was a real accomplishment for IT. Next.we did receive AIT
achievement award this year for the internship program. We have had it in place for a
few years. We found it to be very successful. It's a lot better than the flat figure I
thought was a lot nicer.
De Weerd: He said it was subtle.
Nary: Yeah. The AIT recognized that that value that we have of providing an
opportunity for these high school students to work in a workplace, many of the folks that
-- I'm sure many of you interacted with over the years, whether it was Brianna, whether
it was Shawn, whether it was Nick, whoever went -- Zach. We have had some great
interns here that have been -- I think it's been good for them, it's been good for us, they
are cheap help and were great help and they are -- and they are here to learn. Terry
has been a great mentor and guide to them. They have teamed a lot about working in
the workplace and I think they make better workers where ever they go, because they
have had an opportunity, as young adults, to work here and see what it's like to work in
an office environment and in this type of workforce and I think it's been a good thing for
everybody. Future needs. Things that we are looking at. City Hall work space.
Obviously, as we all move into City Hall there are different needs that are going to come
up and we are looking at how we do our business and how we can do it more efficiently
and better in our work space. We did a walk through last week with some of the folks,
legal -- our HR folks walked through a little before that -- to try to see how we can make
that acceptable for the public and acceptable for the employees and we will be probably
working on that for at least the next year. Department alignment. As we get larger in
the city, as we have greater needs in the city, we need to look at how our department
itself is aligned and how we can make it, again, more efficient and more responsive to
the workforce. Again, we have a large work force. It continues to evolve. The needs
that they have, the issues that they have and sometimes the conflicts that they have are
things that we have to address both from the legal side, as well as the human resources
side. The public connection to us, whether it's people that are applying for jobs, people
that make inquiries about different activities in the city are doing, whether they think it's
a legal issue or something else, we have to make sure we are able to respond to the
public in a timely manner, meet their expectations. There are technology improvements
every day. You will see some of those in the enhancements that we are looking at. We
MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL MEETING
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want to make sure we have consistency among the different users in the city, that they
are able to talk to one another -- you know, that's probably one of the biggest
frustrations in many organizations is one department has one set of programming that
another department can't necessarily access or, even worse, our outside vendors or
outside contractors send us information that we can't open or we can't use, because we
don't have the right programs to do that. The Mayor has asked us to look at a policy in
regards to saving some fuel and use of vehicles. We will probably fold into that in the
transportation as well and it's a policy, so we will probably be having more discussions
about that in the next couple of months in how we address that issue that appears to not
be going away. The 132,000, by the way, on that slide, I took off of your letter to the
public. That was what was proposed in 2030 1 think is what that is. That might be low.
Bird: I was just going to say --
Nary: That might be a COMPASS estimate.
Bird: Why don't you -- yeah. Why don't you send that to the state, because that sure
isn't state revenue sharing.
De Weerd: 1 would say that's an illegal use of the logo by squishing it like that.
Nary: It was a little bit squished at the time. Yeah. The logo police have already
mentioned that to me. Next is our human resources and city attorney staff. That was
part of our cow presentation we had for Dairy Days. Those are all the folks, both the
attorneys, our legal support, as well as our HR, HR support for that. Marilyn is our office
assistant. She absolutely refused to be in the picture, that's why she's not there. So, it
wasn't that I intended to leave her out. She did not want to be in that. Here is attorney
enhancement. A receptionist. I didn't make up that -- I didn't Photoshop that picture.
That, actually, is on Microsoft's clip art, but in the City Hall work space -- and you all are
familiar with the floor plans. We have a reception area to greet the public and
employees that is separated from the HR staff and the attorney staff. Currently,
because we have never had to deal with that, we' don't have a support person that can
actually do that. We have folks that handle benefits. We have folks that deal with a
variety of different HR issues. We have one part-time office assistant who comes in
three days a week that answers the phones and helps with a lot of the clerical support.
We have a legal support person that handles all of our development agreements,
contractors with developers, all of our ordinances, all of our -- all of our legal preparation
for the three attorneys, 'as well as we are looking at adding a part time attorney as well
and I don't have anybody to do this. And so that's our -- that's our -- our number one
attorney enhancement, it's our only attorney enhancement, is to be able to make sure
we can greet the public, make sure we can respond to those needs at the counter to be
able to address those things as they come in the door and not have to take and mix
people around just to try to answer the phone, just to try to greet the public -- there is
many other functions a person could do with afull-time person. So, that's the reason for
that request. Human resources. One of our enhancements is an HR analyst. As
mentioned, we are looking at realignment and how we can make a more efficient HR
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department. I want to make sure we have the ability to have outreach with the
employees, to have a place for employees -- decide right now -- Audi is busy with the
benefits work that's necessary in handling both the worker's comp issues, as well as the
benefits issues and she certainly has a lot of contact with employees. But Audi's
position doesn't have enough time in the day to deal with conflict issues or any other
types of things other than benefits. Nancy's position is the only one we have, besides
myself, to deal with any of those things. That's the reason for this request is to allow us
the ability to realign, to look at a different structure for HR for our long term needs to
have some succession planning, but also to get to provide both investigative expertise
when we have some needs. We have outsourced a couple of times when we have had
those needs, because we didn't have. the time in house to do it: We also do -- some of
the training right now is done by outside vendors. We will probably still have some of it
be done by outside vendors, but some of it can be done internally, especially
compliance type of issues, and that's my objective is to look for somebody that can help
us with internal training, whether it's Family Medical Leave training, whether it's
Americans with Disabilities Act training, whether it's FLSA training -- we have many of
those things from a compliance standpoint we just don't have the time to do and don't
have the time always or the money to hire vendors to do it for us. We have a large work
force in different locations and so we really -- having a person to be able to do that I
think would be a better asset for the city and increase our level of service. Next
professional services. This is the same number we have had in the last few years, but
in the past we had dedicated that funds to our -- essentially management leadership
vender with AspireOn. We still want to do some of that work, but in meeting with all the
directors when we were able to go through the budget and go through the different
enhancements requested -- and I will make acomment -- I guess some of what Stacy
and Steve said, is since I sat over in that chair that's something I thought was a better
way to do it and this year we were able to get a budget put together, not with just the
Mayor's input and finance's input, but all the directors input. I think it was an invaluable
process, because many years I sat here and I had no idea what anybody else wanted, I
had no idea how many other employees they wanted to have, I didn't have any concept
of what was important to them and what mattered or what our response may be from
HR and legal would be to whatever their needs were. This was a great exercise. I think
it was invaluable for all the directors to be involved in that and I thank the Mayor for
allowing us to be a part of that it. I think it was a better product that you have in front of
you because of it. Anyway, the directors -- the directors remarks to me was they -- they
enjoyed and wanted to continue, but some of the services that AspireOn can do for us,
but they also wanted additional services and they wanted opportunities to look at other
vendors for other things besides just, essentially, one type of training. And so what they
requested, which I agree with, instead of just being really just an AspireOn contract,
which is what you have seen in the past, this is really for all varieties of professional
services and my intent is, then, to work with the different departments so that we can
meet their needs. Many times we can't always meet their needs as they have to find
training money or we have to just forego certain types of training that we think are
beneficial either city wide or department wide and we just don't have the funding for it.
In the past few years we have had a small amount of money for some of it. I think this
year it was -- it was either 5,000 or 2,500 for other professional services. Do you
MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL MEETING
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recall? I think it was five. Anyway, use it up on the police project and that was it. And
we had -- and we had to use other money to fund it. We didn't have any other money
left. So, the intent of this is use it for all training for the city, for the departments. Some
of it was AspireOn for some of their management stuff, but not to the degree that it's
been in the past and some of it for other things. Next is IT and I'll let Teny take over,
unless you have questions on this part or if you want to wait until the end. .
De Weerd: Why don't we wait until the end.
Nary: Okay. I'll let Terry come up.
Patemoster: Hi, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council. Thank you for letting the IT
department present •today our budget enhancement for fiscal year 2009.
De Weerd: Welcome back.
Patemoster: Thank you.
De Weerd: This is a great way to come back from maternity leave, uh?
Patemoster: Yeah. We just had a baby back on June 5th, my wife and I. It's the third
one. So, I was off for a little bit, but I'm very happy to be back. Life is much more
consistent. Starting with the first slide we have up here, this is the Information
Technology staff. I think a lot of the enhancements that have been done in the past
year can be contributed to the commitment and dedication of the staff that's up there.
I'm not sure if you know everybody, but if the IT department would stand, just so that the
Council can see you.. Over here we have Mike Tanner, which is our programmer. He
came to us from Micron and has been an excellent asset to the city and a great benefit
and he seems committed to stay at this point, which is good. We have Brad Lloyd, who
is our help desk and lie also came to us from Micron. It seems like one person's down
turn is another person's benefit. So, we have been blessed by the down turn at Micron.
Brad's our help desk and he does a lot of great services. He's very patient. Anybody
who's utilized his services can attest that it's been a great improvement to the IT
department. He's very service oriented. He's patient and --
De Weerd: Thank you.
Patemoster: -- very willing to help anybody and he doesn't make you feel dumb, which
is very important. Right here we have Will Shannon, which he's a programming intern
that's come to us from the technical charter high school. He's helping us improve some
of these different applications the city has and he's been here about a month and has
been working out very well. Then in back we have David Keeley, who is our server
administrator, and David's been here for a few years and David helps us maintain the
overall application of the servers within the city that take care of the back infrastructure
that really makes things work and go. And, then, we have Keith Danielson and he's our
network administrator and he goes on site a lot. He also helps maintain the backups
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and does a lot of customer support and I think that the IT staff is much different today
than it was three or four years ago and I think that the level of service is improving
within the IT department. So, thank you guys. Going on to the next slide. Going to the
enhancements. This first one is a fiber build out and, basically, what the purpose for
this enhancement is is that right now the way that the city connects the departments
together is that we have a wireless network and although the wireless network does
what it's intended to do, it definitely has, you know, some problems as far as reliability
goes. I would say that the wireless network typically works 99 percent of the time, but
when you have one percent of the time when it's down, it's really troubling, especially
when it's two days in a row like it was recently for the fire department a couple months
ago. It's very frustrating. And so what this request is is ACHD over the past few years
has put fiber optics into the ground when they have done their builds and their digs and
have done the road construction and what ACHD has been kind enough is that they
have offered to allow the city to connect into their fiber ring and use their fiber optics, so
that we can connect certain departments where the fiber is close enough for us to
connect into for a reasonable cost. Basically, the departments that we are looking to
connect together is we are looking to put the new City Hall, connect it to fire station one,
to fire station four, with the police department and the water tower. You might say, well,
why the water tower, it's kind of an odd location. But that's really the central hub for our
wireless network. ~ Unfortunately, the cost of putting fiber optics in the ground for the city
is very cost prohibitive. If the city was to go ahead and put in these fiber optics
ourselves and say we don't want to use somebody's service, we don't want to be
dependent on them, the equivalent would be about 500,000 dollars for the city to put
this in. And so to do it for a fraction of that cost is a great benefit to the city. ACHD so
far has been very willing to allow other agencies to connect in. We are not sure how
much longer they might do that and so we think that it's time imperative that we do it
now, that this is something that's very important, which, thus, it's the number one
enhancement for the IT department. Going on to the next enhancement. This is for a
training lab. As you may know, in the new City Hall there actually has been space
allocated for a training lab. One of the deficiencies -- and it's been a long term vision for
me personally, has been to provide training classes to other city employees for some of
the basic applications, like Microsoft Word, Microsoft Excel, Powerpoint. How to use
the intemet. How to do the help desk software. Right now the city doesn't really have a
way to do this effectively. You know, typically when we have offered training in the past,
invite employees into the Council chambers and we have one of the guys up there
running a Powerpoint presentation providing this is how you do it. But although that is
somewhat helpful, there is nothing better than really hands-on experience and we
believe that through this enhancement that it's going to allow the city to provide better
training to the employees, but improving the efficiency of the employees and saving
cost, since it will reduce the amount of expense the city will have to pay to send people
to training like Execu-Train or some of the other labs, which the IT experience has been
is that it's increased about 50 percent over the past year just to send people to training,
so --
Borton: Madam Mayor?
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De Weerd: Yes.
Borton: Just to jump in with a quick question at this point. It reminded me of an IT
computer replacement question. When I looked at this enhancement and it showed you
were going to use 17, 18 computers that aren't replaced to try to use them in this
training lab, the question jumped to me why those computers would be replaced in just -
- in departments generally. If you are going to use them to teach people to run our
latest software, why would you need to get rid of them in the first place?
Paternoster: Well, I think that one of the challenges with computer replacement is --
and it's been definitely a topic of discussion that's come up -- is when is the right time to
replace a computer, which I think, ultimately, is really what the question begs. And
think that, you know, for us is that -- you know, we do have a five year replacement
policy that we have tried to implement. I think as we replace some machines recently
we have realized that sometimes that policy doesn't always work the best. But in this
particular instance, really, the reason that we feel that we can re-use these particular
machines is that oftentimes when a user works at a computer, if they are using multiple
applications at a time, they are not just using one application and, usually, it's that multi-
tasking that really increases the load on the computer. In addition, the typically newer
applications and keeping people up to date as far as the desk tops is a little bit more
imperative with the machines that are used day to day versus something that's in a
training lab and we might bring somebody in to use Word for a few hours and so the
machines definitely would be -- I don't think are very well -- I don't think it's in the city's
best interest to actually keep the machine in a live production environment. I think that
it's much better in a training lab. I think one of the things that we are trying to do is to be
conscious of the fact that budgets are tight, we are trying to be wise and good stewards
of the money the city spends, therefore, trying to reuse a machine that maybe isn't the
best machine in a day-to-day operation, but might work for a training lab.
Borton: Okay.
Paternoster: It might be next year that we come back and say, you know what, Joe, you
were right, we found out that the machines didn't work so well and we might -- anymore
with that?
Borton: No.
Paternoster: Let's go onto the next one. This is for a new position that the IT
department is requesting and it's -- actually, this position is for a web content engineer
and you might think, well, what's a web content engineer? And, basically, this is for a
position that their duty is to .maintain the city's website as far as the content for
consistency, for information to make sure that information is easy for citizens to find.
We believe that this position actually will save the city time and money by making it
more accessible to the citizens to find information. One of the difficulties with any
website is making sure that information is consistent, that when you go to one page is it
actually consistent with the other departments. Right now the way that the system
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works is each department has a responsibility to maintain their site -- their section of the
site. So, if I'm the Public Works Department or the Fire Department or the IT
Department or the HR department, I control my site. Now, that may be great, but,
unfortunately, there comes inconsistencies with that. Through the MIS committee, the
information steering committee, we have had discussions regarding this and we actually
had a survey of multiple departments earlier this year and the majority of the people
supported having this type of position, to have one person really be that filtering person
for putting content onto the website, so that that way there was consistency with the
information, rather than having, you know, a mishmash and just have the people think,
well, this doesn't really look professional. Onto the next slide. This is for a Microsoft
Office upgrade. We are actually going to withdraw this enhancement. The reason
being is that the purpose for this enhancement is to get everybody on the same version
of Microsoft Office. Right now the city as a whole is on Office 2003. Microsoft's current
version is Office 2007 and they are coming out with Office 2009 next year. Well,
previously when the enhancement was submitted it looked like that they were coming
out with Office 2009 next spring, the spring of 2009. After further research it looks like
that that's been delayed and won't happen until the fall of 2009. Therefore, we believe
it's in the city's best interest to forego this enhancement this year and wait until next
year with it. This next enhancement is for backup software. One of the most important
things to a city is our data. Making sure that are data is safe and secure and that it can
be recovered. When the city needs information that we can go back and find, in the
past the City Council has been generous in making sure that the IT department has the
resources to make sure that we have a lot of our data backed up, that we have a
disaster recovery plan, that we have the resources at hand to make sure that our data is
protected. One of the problems that the IT department experiences is that backups are
really inconsistent and it's partially due to software. It's partially due to people. About
one-third of the backup jobs .that run nightly fail. Partially because there is a problem
with the system, sometimes it's a problem with user en'or where our tape didn't get put
into the backup system. Right now backups are handled by each department, so if I'm
at the police department there is an individual who is responsible for putting the backup
tape nightly. Sometimes that happens, sometimes it doesn't. If the person goes on
vacation, sometimes that's not real consistent. What this enhancement is asking for is
that through the increase of technology improvements there is ways to do backup
centrally through compression that would allow us to centralize the backups at City Hall,
rather than having each individual department backup the servers that are on site. And
so what it would do is it would take off the burden of responsibility from the department
and allow us to back things up centrally, so that it's in one location. The other benefit is
like locations like the wastewater treatment plant, the water department, which have
servers, those servers don't necessarily fail, so well into the disaster recovery plan.
Sure we do a backup, we take the tapes off site. If something bad happened out there,
like there was some sort of disaster, we would be able to get the data back, but the data
would only be able to get back up to the point that we had the last backup tapes.
Sometimes those backup tapes fail. You go -- you put in a backup tape, you think
you're going to find something, and there is nothing there and so you end up going back
a couple days, which costs staff time, because usually that represents somebody's work
that was lost and so through this enhancement we will be able to backup centrally.
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Once it's here at City Hall we actually backup the data three times. It gets backed up to
a SAN, which is a storage area network. We, then, replicate that over to the police
department, so if we were to fail here, we would be able to quickly recovery from the
police department. And, then, we also back it up to tape. Because we think that there
is nothing more important than our data. This next enhancement is for web consulting
and, basically, what this is to do is that the city's current website runs off a back in tool
that's basically an administrative tool that allows people to add, convent, to add graphics
and to do different management features. The current tool we use we got from Circle
Tree Media as a free donation about four or five years ago. Although the software
worked, there has been definite limitations because the software is not supported. It
does not have updates. There is bugs within it and most of the people that use it would
say that, you know, it doesn't always work as well as they think. Occasionally you will
go in and make a change and everything will just disappear and you will think where did
everything go? What happened? Well, what this enhancement is to do is to do two
things. It's first to purchase another back in content management tool, so that we have
better management of the actual pages that are displayed and the resources. The other
part is to do a design of the website, so that we can get a new updated design that
would just give the city a better look. We've had the current design for over four years
now and we believe that it's time to bring in somebody outside to help us get a
professional look to our website. Especially considering when you look at the website,
the website is a huge tool for citizens. I mean it's a way for us to reduce staff time.
People -- I don't know about you, but when I'm at home I don't want to call somebody,
would much rather go to a website, go pay my bills, go find my information, get it and
just take care of it. Because I can do it at anytime. I don't have to wait until 8:00 o'clock
in the morning. I don't have to make sure I'm there at 5:00 o'clock at night. I can do it at
anytime. Going on to the next enhancement, which is probably, obviously, our big
enhancement -- is for the Enterprise software system. This enhancement has been
long coming. I don't think that it's a surprise to anybody, the amount. I know that
personally spoke before Council and said that we have been in the process for over two
years now looking at different systems, doing analysis, and trying to figure out what
exactly direction the city should go, what are the different systems available and we
have had strategic audits done, IT audits that have recommended that we have a
centralized system. And I know that the Council has definitely been supportive of this
type of enhancement. Going on to the next page, which, basically, lists some things
out, is -- the purpose of this enhancement is -- really can be defined in a few things and
I think that the first thing that's important about this enhancement is that this is going to
provide a method to enhance communication between departments. One of the biggest
problems that the city has today is that although we have a lot of different systems that
serve their purpose, none of those systems talk together and so what happens is you
have a lot of redundancy of data. You have a lot of inconsistencies between data
between different systems. You don't have a way to go to one system and necessarily
pull together information. Through this particular system. we believe that we are going
to be able to bring together a lot of the different services and functions that the city does
into one centralized location that will provide better management, better communication,
so that if somebody calls the Public Works Department or the Planning Department and
asks questions to get the answer, if they were to call another department they would get
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a similar answer. They wouldn't get a different answer, they would get the same
answer, because the information that they are accessing would be consistent, it
wouldn't be different. During this process one of the things that we have done is that we
have actually -- the process started off by doing a lot of analysis and just looking at what
do we have in place, what type of database, because at the time when we looked at it
we had over 200 different databases that the city was utilizing. The number's actually
increased today a little bit. After that we started saying, okay, what systems really need
to be talking together, which departments are having communication problems and
gaps and, then, the process after that was we started contacting other cities to say with
these particular problems does any city actually have a solution, does anybody really
have something. What we found is largely that you're not going to find one solution
that's going to solve all your problems. It would be nice, but everybody said dream on,
you're basically going to be lucky if you can do about 50 percent. And that's what we
found. Through our analysis is we looked at about ten different software applications
after talking to the cities based off of what they recommended and we went off and we
started talking to vendors and we went through analysis through a subcommittee of the
MIS committee made up of five people, a couple people from Public Works and the
Building Department, two people from IT, John Overton from the Police Department,
and Jaycee Holman and we looked at a lot of different systems. Through this
evaluation we tried to come up with consistent criteria to say does this software work or
is it garbage, will it really serve our purposes and will it serve our purposes not only
today, but is this the type of vendor that the city would want to do business with,
because they have a strategy not only for today, but for years to come. And during that
evaluation the different areas that we tried to figure out is do they have a building
permit. Right now probably the biggest sore spot for the city is with our building permit
software. The city is using something called PT Win. We have had it for about ten
years. We paid less than 5,000 dollars for it and that's about all it's worth and although it
works for us today, I think it's not really designed for long-term use. It doesn't have a
web interface. The database it uses is not a consistent database, but is used through
the city. The city standardized on and Microsoft people back in, because it's a database
that we can interface with, we can integrate. So, even if the system doesn't necessarily
integrate with the other systems, we can make integration happen and that PT Win
system, when we were in the boom period and the city was growing, it was crashing
often. We had to send the database to get it fixed, because it just. didn't work. And so
that's one of the main areas that we were really trying to evaluate. Based off of that we
wanted to know does it have a plan interface, does it do any of the planning functions?
Does it manage permits? Does it do code enforcement. Will it interface with utility
billing or does it have a utility billing module. Does it have an IVR, which is a voice
response system. Does it have GIS features. Does it have an accounting feature.
Does it have document management. Does it have request tracking. These are some
of the different things. Is there the possibility that the city could develop against the
system? So, let's say that we purchase the system, is there a way that the city could do
development, rather than paying an expensive programmer who flies in from some
other state to do development? Through this process we, basically, were able to narrow
it down to about two systems that we think that meet the needs of the city. Now, at this
point we still have apprehension on whether or not those systems will do everything that
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we need them to do. We still believe that there needs to be a gap analysis performed,
basically, an analysis of what the departments do, so that that way we really can figure
out if we go and purchase a software application, like this Enterprise system, what are
the problems, because no matter which system you purchase the sales guy may say,
oh, no, it will do everything. It will serve your wildest purposes. We are realistic and we
know that that's not always the case and so we believe that it's important that we bring
in a third-party consultant, which there is money available to bring in somebody to
analyze that for us, to help us to find that gap analysis, to help us make sure that we are
just not seeing it with binders on, because we have been looking at the same
application for ten years, but we are really looking to the future.
De Weerd: And that's in this year's budget?
Paternoster: That's in this year's budget. Right. And the enhancement that we put in
involves a couple things. It involves the software and, then, it also involves an
application developer. Basically, a programmer who can be involved and the reason
that it has a position with it is this -- the software itself isn't real expensive, I mean you
might think, well, what do you mean, it's 863,000 dollars you're asking for, what do you
mean it's not real expensive. But the software itself for this type of system is really
about 200,000 dollars, but the rest of the money is for software maintenance and
integration. It's because you have to pay people to come on site and integrate it and
make it work exactly the way that we need it to work and that's about 50 -- I mean that's
about twice the cost or three times the cost of the actual software. Now, at the time that
we were doing this analysis -- and I wrote up the enhancement, the enhancement says,
well, you know, we believe this is the first phase and at the time we weren't sure,
because we still had a couple different packages to look at and we weren't positive at
that point whether or not another package might come available that was worth more
money. The enhancement that we are asking for today is sufficient to implement the
Enterprise system and provide us with a lot of that centralized communication. A web
tool. Purchasing the system will also help us to eliminate the need to purchase -- I
mean to hire a web programmer. One of the things that we were looking at in the
enhancement I previously had in place, but I had asked for it through the Mayor was to
hire a programmer to do some web integration and enhancement for us. But the
problem -- but the thing is if you buy the right software package, they have already done
this for us. They have already integrated a lot of these pieces, so that you can do your
building permits, you can integrate them with GIS, so that if you want to look at a
geographic region and see what type of building permits or what type of other permits
have been taken in this area, it will tell you that information. It does a lot of those nice
web integrations, so that we don't have to hire somebody to do it. The advantage if you
can get a software application -- I mean a software vendor to do that is that we are
sharing of the benefit and splitting the cost between everybody, because if they develop
it, they develop it for everybody and we split the cost. I think that at that point that is all I
have to say.
De Weerd: Good.
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Rountree: I thought this was the police presentation.
Bird: The police will be fast and efficient. I have a question or are we going to wait until
the end?
De Weerd: Yeah. We will let the Boise prosecution team do their quick presentation
and --
Nary: All lawyers are very short winded and very succinct.
Bird: I was just going to say we have got more lawyers in here than we have got
anything else. I'm almost scared.
Nary: Don't you feel safer today?
Bird: I can't believe the chief didn't bring more police officers.
Nary: I have one more slide and we can talk about this this afternoon, but Idid -- we
are looking at the custodial contract with City Hall and whether or not the contract for
that service is currently -- this is a tentative amount based on really just a rough
estimate of the cost from Western Building, what it would cost'for the City Hall building,
as well as if we were to look at hiring our own custodians that would manage -- that
would, basically, take care of ail the buildings in the city, except for the fire station, and
what the cost of that would be, but we can talk about that at 3:30, the other government
section, and, then, sometimes the budget process feels a lot like this every year, so I
wanted to at least end on that note. I would introduce Cary Colaianni, the Boise city
attorney, and Steve Rutherford, Teny Derden and Jodi Nafzger from the Boise city
attorney's office to talk about our prosecution.
De Weerd: Thank you. Welcome.
Colaianni: Good morning, Mayor. Council Members. Thank you, Bill. Appreciate that.
De Weerd: I'm sure your budget process is much smoother than this, uh?
Colaianni: Well, let me say this, Mayor. We prepared a long program and a shot
program and from your comments I'm going to give you the short program.
De Weerd: Great idea.
Colaianni: So, again, thanks for the opportunity to come and present the 2009
proposed prosecution contract with the City of Meridian. This is my fourth year as Boise
City attorney presenting it to you. It is, in my opinion, one of the crown jewels of my
administration and we treat it as such. It's very important to us. We have had a
successful 2008 and we are going to talk to you today briefly about a -- what we intend
to be a more successful 2009 prosecution contract, because we intend to provide
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enhancements that heretofore have not been seen in .prosecution anywhere in the state
of Idaho and I think I can say that. One of those things that we are going to talk about
today is our new case management system, which we mentioned last year. It is now up
and running and tracking your cases. Not just tracking them, but allowing our lawyers to
go to court and look at your cases live and present those, as well as provide you with
some meaningful information and reports to tell you how we are doing in prosecution of
your cases and, then, let the chief know exactly what we are doing. We have been
talking to him about that offline. Also, we will be talking to you about providing
additional police and vice coverage in this coming contract this coming year and some
other perks. And with that I will tum it over to Jodi Nafzger and let her give you some of
the details. Thank you.
De Weerd: Thank you.
Nafzger: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, thank you for this opportunity. I
wanted to note for you some of those improvements that we are offering as part of our
services to the Meridian Police Department and the city. First of all, as you know, we
have a seasoned group of prosecution staff, but we are in a unique spot now that we
have truly experienced attomeys in those roles. We have about 28 attorneys in the
office, 18 of those are devoted criminal attorneys. But, obviously, prosecuting the cases
that come out of Meridian are different than providing police advice to the officers who
help us with those and who investigate those crimes. So, one of our biggest goals this
year is to focus on broadening that level of experience within our office and so we have
seven or eight attomeys that are dedicated police attomeys. We started a rotation as
part of our services to Boise Police Department and we also provide at two to three
attomeys that are police attomeys for the Meridian Police Department. We are working
with Chief Lavey right now to extend our service to include another half day. Currently
Terry Derden spends Tuesdays and Friday afternoons at Meridian being accessible to
officers, processing public records requests that come through the department; truly
that's also an opportunity to sit down and meet with the victim-witness coordinator and
talk with victims of domestic violence. So, we want to provide an added service of being
there more often, being accessible, and we are working with the chief to isolate the best
day to do that and be more accessible to officers. Additionally, we, as you know,
provide legal service. We are available 24 hours a day. Currently Terry Derden is
available 24 hours a day and perhaps most importantly for Terry's quality of life, we also
have the pager, which is truly within the location of seven or eight police attorneys that
are answering questions of police officers anytime day or night. We are also continuing
our training part. That is a very important part of the service we provide. We provide
annual training to the police department. We train all the new police officers in advance
academy three or four times a year and we also do briefing scenarios. Every time a
new case that affects police officers becomes a law in our state, we provide a multiple
choice -- literally a question and answer session that can be worked through in briefing
and, then, that is -- as the chief has told us, then, that gets put in a book and is
accessible to officers and so that's something we are providing and making sure that
new cases are quickly covered and not just in our annual training each year. And,
finally, I wanted to tell you about our new division manager, who hired, which is going to
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become a huge resource for police. Ralph Blount comes out of the A.G.'s office. He's
been a deputy A.G. formerly and has also trained at POST, taught at POST, provided
some paralegal training and services before that time and has been a paralegal for the
Attorney General's Office before his spot as an attorney and he is truly coming to us
with a huge background working back on how cases progress through our court system
and is really going to provide an asset to police. So, those are some of the
improvements that we are offering Meridian Police Department and the City of Meridian
and hope to provide you excellent police resources. With that I'll turn it over to our Chief
Deputy Steve Rutherford.
Rutherford: Good morning.
De Weerd: Good morning.
Rutherford: Just to follow up on what Jodi said, really, the goal is to enhance our
prosecutor's experience. We have got some folks who want to do more than just go to
the courtroom and so we thought feeding those folks to live police officers and police
administration to answer questions, again, that experience would prove beneficial to
them in their careers and to Boise city police and Meridian city police as well. I'm here
to talk to you about just a couple quick things and, then, be the closer. The first is to
make you aware that there is a new court trial system that is saving you money as we
speak and it's an enhancement that's brought to you by the court system and our office.
Previously, the way we handled court trials was we subpoenaed your officers to show
up and a pile of them to show up and some cases would go to trial after we talked to
folks, some cases wouldn't, but the bottom line was you were paying officers to be
there. We have gone to a pretrial system now, so instead of handling 240 court trials a
weeks, we are handling 240 kind of pretrial conferences for court trials. So, on
speeding tickets and those kind of things, the officers don't have to show up in court and
we are actually showing some success in that out of, you know, 60 settings in a day we
will have eight or nine of those that actually are going to go to court trial, we will set
those for another day and, then, we will have to only have to subpoena the officers for
those nine, instead of subpoenaeing officers for the 60. So, it's new. We are still
working out the kinks, but ultimately it will save you some money in the long run.
Currently, the trial court administrator is engaging a consultant to do an efficiency study
to try to figure out whether or not there is a better mouse trap, whether or not there is
better scheduling. It is a welcomed study in our estimation to just the theory of adding
courtrooms, adding judges, which is difficult for us to keep up with and just makes our
City Council weary when we come back and ask for more prosecutors. So, we have
participated in that study by offering 5,000 dollars towards the cost of that study and we
will be reporting to you about the benefits of that study. Hopefully, we will deliver.
Finally, the case management system -- Terry has some handouts for you and, again,
will be very brief, but I think it's a significant improvement. This is the thing that Terry
talked about as being a fundamental change in our office that prosecution in this state
has not seen. We implemented this system over the spring, went live on June 2nd. All
new cases now are fed into this system. This system effectively is a large rolladex.
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is a record in this system and if you tum to the page that says manager screen, it looks
like this, it will show you a little piece -- a tool that I have. It shows you the actual
number of cases per prosecutor at any one time. So, I can tell exactly how many cases
each prosecutor is handling. When Terry Derden goes to court tomorrow and
sentences 20 people, he comes back and feeds that in, those cases will drop off. So,
it's a realtime view of what these prosecutors are doing and least you feel bad for Jodi
Nafzger, she is a screening attomey and so every citation, every piece of
correspondence that comes in our offices goes across her desk, gets assigned to her,
and as soon as those files are routed back to police or dismissed or charged in some
other form or fashion and assigned to a new prosecutor, those drop off her numbers
and feed into those other prosecutor's numbers. This system will provide benefit to you
in that it creates efficiency for our prosecutors again in that in a wireless environment
we are at the courthouse and we have this information with us, instead of a paper file --
and Council Member Borton will understand this -- a pretrial conference, instead of
showing up with a paper file, with a police report, an audio tape or a CD, we will have a
prosecutor with a laptop that will tum the laptop around at the pretrial to the defendant
and the defense attomey, they can listen to the audio tape in the courtroom, they can
look at the photos. If there is video they can look at the video. All is electronic on that --
on that computer on a wireless system. So, there is no more reason to continue cases
while the defense attomey or a defendant comes and reviews an audio and comes and
looks at a video. All of the information for them to make a good decision to settle the
case or make the case go away is going to happen in the courtroom that day, which
should lead to some efficiencies. Finally, I think the most important thing for you in
terms of enhancements -- we intend to bring you quarterly reports and those quarterly
reports will be very specific and can be tailored to what you ask us for, what Bill Nary
asks us to bring. We can tell you how many -- we will be able to tell you how many
Meridian cases we have, how many we have active, how many we have closed, what
the dispositions of those were. For instance, this case so -- or case management
system is so sophisticated that if, Mayor, you told me that at the end of the first quarter
you wanted to see how many citations were written for your new covered load
ordinance and how many officers and written citations and what happened with those
citations, I could hit a button back at my office and make that happen.
De Weerd: Now, would this be able -- you know, I have been asking our police
department if we could track citations based on location, like Eagle Road, Franklin, you
know, some of the major arterials on who are residents and who are not residents.
We'd like to kind of track the number of nonresident vehicles that we do cite. Can you
do something like that?
Rutherford: I better turn it over to the guy who implemented the system.
De Weerd: Okay.
Derden: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, in addition to my Meridian duties, I
have been the project manager for Justware. You said you wanted to know all the
speeding tickets at the location of Eagle Road and Overland and you wanted know --
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break it down even further to address. That would be in there. When a citation comes
across to us we have to enter all the personal information, the name, address, phone
number of the person. It would be easy to tell just where a search for that location of
Eagle and Overland or where the complaint of where the crime occurred and, then, also
break it down by what their home address showed us. So, we could see that -- that
someone at a Meridian address, this is a Boise city address, or any other address
entered in the system. So, it's possible. We have the ability with Justware -- we have
believe 48 hours every year that we have bought as part of our contract with them to
have them build us specific reports. So, there is some time lag in having us -- have a
crunch made and have them build you a report, we are also hoping to train someone in
our office to be the person that builds the report and from the way that looks that might
very well be me. But we have -- we may have these others to even build specific
reports that could do that sort of thing. So, yeah.
De Weerd: Okay. Just one other question, then, in that regard. Will it be able to track
fine collections?
Derden: Madam Mayor, Justware has a financial piece to it that we are not currently
using. It tracks our restitution, because we need to keep track of that for probations and
things ordered. We have left our fine agreements still within Ada County court. What
we have looked at is we are doing the civil piece for our Justware system in the fall,
hopefully, sometime. We are going to be tracking financial data. It may be that if we
see that that works well, we will come back and track the financials in the Justware
system.
De Weerd: Any other questions, Council?
Borton: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes.
Borton: Real quick. If it's a report that might be available, could you depict the city and
the geographic hot spot regions based on certain crime statistics that would show up
where there might be a high frequency of DUIs or battery, things like that?
Derden: Yeah. Madam Mayor, Councilman Borton, I think I understand what you're
asking me. So, could we look at -- by breaking down locations of where crimes
occurred, where the number is?
Borton: Yeah. Kind of scatter plotted on a map.
Derden: I think that would be possible to do that. What the report would show us was
the location. I mean we have -- we have a locations that we charge on a citation or a
complaint. This is where the crime occurred. There would be no problem, I think, with
pulling up a report of give me all those locations and, then, all locations that match. It
may take someone to actually eyeball it and put it on a map itself. But finding all the
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locations is something that we do track, because it's going.to be part of the case. Also
the complaint.
De Weerd: I think we already do that with our crime analysis.
Derden: Okay. So, finally, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, again, as we go
forward, we are going to provide you some -- some reports on a quarterly basis that
give you what we think is meaningful information, but as you see opportunities for us to
give you information that you specifically ask questions about.
De Weerd: Fine enforcement. Fine enforcement.
Derden: On fine enforcement, we are in a weird spot, quite frankly, with court in terms
of whether or not, with this new (STAR implementation, whether or not the court's going
to actually use a collection service. There is a .state statute that allows the court to use,
basically, an outside -- to hire a collection agency to do the collections for them. The
collections now is through Ada County is -- through the courthouse system is
somewhere below 20 percent, as I understand it. The idea would be, if, in fact, they do
this, they use a collection agency, they can tack up to the cost of recovery or any of the
cost of the collection agency. The statute gives Ada County the authority to tack up to
30 percent on for that fee. So, ultimately, it tags the user for us having to go that route.
But collections is a huge, huge focus and now it's kind of brought to the attention of an
interim legislative committee. But that's one thing that we as courts don't do very well is
collect stuff. So, that is --that's going to continue to be an ongoing discussion. But right
now that is the leading candidate is a collection agency -- an outside collection agency.
The county holds most of the cards in that situation, unless they do what the city of
Boise did, which is have your own collections force and that's somewhat effective,
although, you know, a meaningful countywide solution or district wide solution for this
district would be probably the best.
De Weerd: Well -- and I think that's what Garden City does. They have a collections
and they collect over 300,000 -- 400,000 a year, I believe.
Derden: Right. I have put before you, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, the
contract extension document. I hope you have seen this before. It really reads very
similar to ones in the past. We haven't added the fact that we are going to add a third
half day. That was an off-line discussion with Chief Lavey and we think it proves
meaningful for both your folks and our prosecutors, so we are just going to add that.
The annual increase -- or the increase this year is 5.6 percent. As I looked over the last
three years, we have brought 28 percent, 20 percent, and 20 percent, I'm happy to
report that it's 5.6 percent. Really, that accounts for a small increase, similar to the
increase you're experiencing in health benefits, in addition to we continue to try to keep
our attorneys at market rate and so we -- there has been a small bump for that as well.
Otherwise, the total amount for this year would -- of the proposal is 255,074, for a
monthly installment of 21,312 dollars. I would be happy to answer questions.
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De Weerd: Okay. Council, do you have questions?
Bird: I have none.
De Weerd: Just want to refine what we can track with that software on the specifics we
are looking for, but we will talk with you later. Thank you.
Coliainni: Mayor and Council Members, thank you again. And, Mayor, we will work with
you off-line and the Council to tailor the case management system to meet your needs
and the things you're looking for. It's a robust system. We don't even know what it can
do yet, but we will certainly keep in communication with you, so we can get you the
numbers that you're looking for.
De Weerd: Thank you very much.
Nary: That concludes our presentation. Any questions?
De Weerd: Thank you. Council, questions for Bill and his -- and/or his staff?
Bird: Madam Mayor, I'm sure they will be around when they get back to the 3:30 one,
won't they? And we can go through some of that. I do have some questions on the IT
and I'm sure Terry will be around.
De Weerd: Mr. Bird, you're going to have to speak up. If I can't hear you --
Bird: I appreciate that, having to speak up. I can ask Terry one right now. Terry, you
know, three or four years ago we was told that the wireless was the way to go and all
this kind of stuff and now we are told that we need to invest 40 some thousand dollars
to get fiber optics ten or -- connect our buildings. I have got the same problem with
spending 800 -- over 800,000 dollars with a program that maybe in five years will be
outdated or -- what do you think? What's your opinion?
Patemoster: On which part, Councilman Bird?
Bird: Well, you know, the wireless that we --
Paternoster: The wireless?
Bird: -- isn't as dependable as we thought it would be four years ago.
Paternoster: I don't think that it's really -- I think that it's time when we implemented the
wireless solution, because the wireless won't completely go away. There is certain
locations, like a wastewater treatment plant, fire station two, fire station three, that will
continue to be on wireless. I mean we have also implemented wireless at the parks to
manage the security system that are at the parks department. I think that when we look
at the wireless is really what we have to ask ourselves -- because, really, what's the
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long-term plan of the city? I mean how important is it that if a disaster did happen that
we can recover, how important is it that we have residual lines of communication, rather
than just having one method. Right now we don't have a backup plan in the event that
the wireless does go down. If we look at the consolidation of departments into City Hall,
we say to ourselves -- we say, well, you know, where are the most -- where are the
largest departments, once City Hall gets consolidated. And, really, the truth is it's the
police department. The water department and the wastewater plant have really less
than 30 people and they don't usually have more than ten people that are on a
computer at a time anyway. And so it's aless -- much smaller impact to those locations
if something went down. Plus the cost to get out to those locations through fiber would
be very cost prohibited, since ACHD doesn't have fiber to those locations or even
remotely. I think that. when we look at fiber what we have to say is that this is really a
long-term plan. This is a vision. Ultimately I think that the IT department would like to
see the entire city be connected completely through fiber. However, at this point we
realize that it's very cost prohibitive to do such, thus, we are choosing to, you know,
figure out what's the best cost effective way to do that, which is connecting to ACHD
fiber.
De Weerd:. See, we put IT under legal, because there is no short answer.
Nary: That's right.
De Weerd: I would say to Boise -- you know, Council, if there is no question for our
prosecuting team, we will let them go.
Borton: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes.
Borton: Before they go I just want to -- probably the sentiments of all the Council, thank
you for what you guys do. And in particular when you present today it seems like you're
making great efforts to bring up enhancement in the service that we might not even ask
for. It's really proactive and it's really appreciated. You guys do a good job.
De Weerd: Yes.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor, I would also comment while they are here -- it's not really
directed at them, but just the concept of Boise being able to have probably a larger
department than you would otherwise, with more expertise, because you subcontract to
us and probably with some of the other cities, I think that's excellent for Boise, it's
excellent for us, because you have greater resources by allowing us to participate with
you. That I appreciate on your behalf. I just would throw out a thought to all of our
directors in other departments, is there any area where Meridian could become the
overall expert for a region on a similar plan and subcontract out to other cities some of
our services that would allow us to have bigger and more expanded and more
specialized service to offer, not only ourselves, but others. Thank you all.
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De Weerd: Thank you. Appreciate that partnership.
Rountree: Bill, I -- on the contract extension and the amount, where do I find that?
Nary: The amount?
Rountree: I got the amount on an extension, but --
Bird: There was not any in the budget?
Nary: It's in the finance.
Rountree: It's in the finance?
Nary: Finance. Actually -- is it in the police budget? You folks track that in the police
budget?
De Weerd: In the police budget, yes.
Nary: Yeah. So, between Chief Lavey and myself, we are the ones that, basically,
interact with Boise of whether there is information that's necessary, responses to citizen
issues, response to officer issues, but it's tracked out of the police budget, not out of --
notout of the legal budget.
Bird: And, of course, the revenue goes to the police department, too.
Nary: Absolutely.
Bird: Into the revenue --
De Weerd: Yes. And, sorry, Keith, did Terry answer your question?
Bird: Yeah. I appreciate that. I do have a couple others, Terry, because I'm real -- you
know, I'm real technology smart, so -- I got some questions. On the web consulting,
33,500 and web content engineer for 83,480, if we hire a -- if we hire afull-time guy just
to work on the web -- is that what that guy is for?
Patemoster: It's -- I guess it depends on which aspect you mean as far as working on
the web. If you mean actually --
Bird: Your employee that you're hiring. Number three.
Paternoster: Do you mean putting data on the web or do you actually mean developing
tools for the website?
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Bird: I'd say he would probably do everything. All of it, wouldn't he?
Paternoster: That's not really our view. I think that our view is that this person's primary
job is really more of one of communication where the position's really uploading
information, making sure that information is easy to find. Although they may do some
development, that wouldn't really be their core purpose.
Bird: You don't think we could outsource that at a cheaper rate? There is people that
put in -- do websites and --
Paternoster: That's what the 33,500 was for is actually to purchase a tool that would
allow us to do that.
Bird: Then, tell me where we need number three. I'm asking.
Paternoster: Well, number three is -- even if you consult it out, like an actual tool, so
you had the tool to improve the website, really, what we are talking about is
communicating effectively to the public and one of the drawbacks of the current website
is that each department basically manages their section and, therefore, there is
inconsistency. So, if I'm a taxpayer and I'm trying to look for something and I go do the
HR department, it might not be an intuitive location -- I might go to the fire department
and say, oh, yeah, that's where it should be and it's really to try to enhance the way that
the information is presented, so that it's easier for departments, it's easier for taxpayers,
it's easier -- which does save taxpayer money, because we are reducing the amount of
calls, potentially, that would be made to the city, because they would have better
communication for the tool itself.
Nary: Councilmember Bird, I can maybe supplement that, too. I mean, one, we did it
before that way and when we first originally got this website up, basically, the whole tool
of managing it was done by an outsource. What we found is when it doesn't work we
are not always the first person they are going to fix. So, it's not the best method to
maintain your website. The accountability, when the person works for us, is greater.
The skill sets are a little different, because I asked Terry the same question, I mean why
are these two different things, but the skill sets are different. I mean just like when we
talked about Brianna working in IT and her expertise being in graphic design is
significantly different than say Will's is in programming as an intern. And that's the
reason why we -- when we made the decision to put these in as enhancements, we felt
the accountability was critical for the person who is going to maintain the website to
make sure it functions, make sure it interacts and works properly and it's consistent, but
we could actually outsource the design, rather than hire a person just to maintain that
part, but it would be -- we feel it would be very difficult to find someone who had both
skill sets in the same person. That's not very common to find that and that's why we felt
that getting the design on a contract basis would probably make the most sense and
maintaining it would be best as an internal function.
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Bird: The only-- the only question I got is on that number three enhancement is that a
40 hour a week job after we once get set up? I mean, geez, I -- I don't know. That's
what -- I don't know.
Nary: I think to expand the services to make it more usable for the public; you will find
plenty of opportunities. Again, the website is not a static thing. You don't want it to just
be a fixed thing daily. There is a lot of information we use our website for. There is a lot
more we could use it for. So, I don't believe it would be money wasted -- I mean there is
certainly other programming functions that a person may be able to do --
Bird: That's what I'm asking.
Nary: -- as well. There may be some other areas they can assist in. I mean it may not
be that just only web, but their primary responsibility will be dealing with the web page.
Bird: Yeah. I mean he -- I would think that -- I don't know, but I would think he would
have time to do other stuff that --
Nary: I would think so.
Bird: Research and stuff like that. I mean once you get it set up and get it going.
Paternoster: Well, we believe that, too, and I think that one of the things that kind of
goes along with this position and one of the struggles that the IT department had is that
-- Mike's our third programmer. Last year we had one programmer for four months, we
had one for two months, now Mike's my third programmer, and each one of those guys
left to make significantly more money. I think that part of the vision with this content
engineer is in addition to taking care of content, and, hopefully, we can mentor them in
development and to having tools and resources help out with the programming aspect.
Now, we don't believe that that will be their core of duties, but over time I -- our hope is
that if Mike, God forbid, did leave us at some point in time, that we would have
somebody who would at least be able to help us get along and do some of those
supplemental functions until that point.
Bird: Okay.
De Weerd: I thought we made them sign contracts in blood. Right, Mike?
Nary: Courts have had such a hard time enforcing those.
Bird: Anybody that can advance themselves, I think you're great.
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
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Rountree: Same comment as previously. You know, I think as opposed to 23 percent,
we are looking at 200 percent. But I -- I don't struggle with that, because I want to
compliment the IT people for recognizing that we either do it now or we pay a whole lot
more money in ten years to get an Enterprise system and I know it's a staggering
number, but it's going to be much bigger if we get more than the 230 systems we might
have now and it starts proliferating and it's 500 and 600 and pretty soon when I ask for
information and get information and David asks for information and gets information and
we sit down and talk about the information we have, we are not communicating,
because the information is different. And that's already happening, I believe, and it's
going to get worse. So, I support that and .have to support it, even though it's a
tremendous increase in fees. About the position you were just talking about, one of the
things that you're building your support for, it seems to me, is customer service and I
guess I'm not aware that the customer service from our web from input and feedback
from our customers is not good. Is that a true assumption on my part? Is there actually
feedback that it -- that's not functioning and bad or is that just our preference?
Nary: Well, I think the feedback -- we get internal feedback that it doesn't function as
well as things that the departments think could be more of a benefit to the public. You
know, whether it's access for bill paying, whether it's access for plan permits and other
types of things, there isn't a way to do some of those things today. The public in
general is kind of hit or miss. Some folks know where it is. Some folks use it. I don't
think it's used as widely as it could be. I think there is a lot of tools, if you go in other
city -- many other cities have a lot more access to information than we do. So, I think it
can be enhanced. I mean I wouldn't say it's certainly a negative today. It's certainly --
but Ithink we have gone past -- you know, for a lot of -- for a couple of years what we
have today was way better than what we had before it, but I think we have gone past
that honeymoon period that that's good enough and I think Terry's -- Teny's staff and
Terry and working with the other departments know there is much better tools and
means for the public to access information and, again, we want to direct folks to the
website. Everybody that uses the website, if they can get the right information and get it
timely, is one less phone call, one less person to track down, one less phone -- phone
barrage we have to go back and forth with, so we are trying to improve the quality of
service. You know, I said to my staff through the whole process you all know which
office car that I drive, so I have always said, you know, we can keep driving that Corsica
until the wheels fall off or we can start getting better and so I think our enhancements,
for the most part, are really attempts to get better.
De Weerd: You know, I might say that probably our department gets a handful of those
phone calls and people frustrated in trying to navigate the website and -- and primarily
that's in the clerk's information and finance information and I guess from that
consistency standpoint, better tools, greater access and transparency, that is the goal
here and how we get information out to the citizens or at least that -- it's on there, it's
sometimes not very easy to find and that's where most of the frustration and feedback
that we get is regarding.
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Nary: If you have ever walked somebody through, saying you can find this here. Get to
this page, click on this link, now you go to that link, click down to 2008, click down to
that link and by. the time we walk them through five minutes of it they are frustrated.
They can find it the next time and so that's helpful, but it is very difficult to keep doing
that and it's not very intuitive to folks.
De Weerd: Council, we are not quite an hour over our -- our schedule and what I will
recommend is that maybe we continue this discussion at our discussion period when
that comes up and that we work through lunch. We have a small break, so you can get
your lunch and, then, continue on. Does that seem feasible? Okay. Okay. Thank you.
Okay. Our next item up is our police department and apologize for the delay. Thank
you, HR, IT, and legal staff.
Lavey: Okay. Madam Mayor and Council, thank you for the opportunity here today. It's
always nice to actually be able to go before the fire department and Chief Ron
Anderson, so -- Keith actually said that he thought this would be short, but those of you
that know me, I do like to talk, so I will try to make this as brief as possible. I do believe
that we need to set the tone for the day, though, and this was given to me by finance,
but it basically says because of budget cuts we have to use the photocopier until we can
get the mug shot camera repaired. This is a unique year for us in that we have had to
change some things in how we have done business and how we kind of looked at
things. I don't believe we are in the dire straits that some people think out there, but we
do need to take a second and third look at how we do business. Of course, you all
know me, I believe, and I'd like to take the opportunity to introduce the command staff.
They are here today. You can see we do have a deputy chief position that still remains
vacant. I believe in finding the right fit and we haven't got to that point yet, so that will
remain vacant until such time. Lieutenant John Overton I believe is sitting over at the
computer just in case the wireless fails, so he said he would volunteer to be my minion
today and I said I will do the computer if you want to talk. So, he's doing the computer.
John is in the community services division of the police department. Lieutenant Bob
Stowe is sitting here --
De Weerd: We are glad you dressed up, Bob.
Lavey: I did make a comment that he was sitting next to five attorneys, so beware.
Bob is in the uniform patrol division. Lieutenant Tracy Basterrechea is in investigations.
At least he did wear a tie. And Lieutenant Scott Coliainni. Scott Colliainni is our newest
lieutenant and I was going to bring him to the workshop in -- in July and introduce him --
him to you and also our new K-9 partner, but we figured the K-9 partner would be more
interesting than Scott, but -- so we sent the K-9 partner back to Holland and we will get
to that later on. The first thing I'd like to do is -- is just kind of thank the men and women
of the Meridian Police Department. We have had another great year and it's not about
me, it's about them. They are the ones that do the job and I'd just like to publicly thank
them. I just wish more of them were present for that today, but I believe that that word
gets back to them quite often. Our team. We currently have 79 police officers in the
Meridian Police Department. When I came on 12 years ago we had 34, which just kind
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of gives you an idea of how far we have grown. We have 23 support members. We
have four part-time members and a total of 106 employees. We are the largest
department in the city. We are, basically, broke down into three divisions. A patrol
division, a criminal investigative division, and a community services division. We
partner with our citizens and so far in 2007 we have 6,710 volunteer hours. Those are
free hours to the city. No cost to us, just the benefits. Some general information. We
have experienced an increase in reported crimes and .that's often not something you
want to hear, but I don't have a problem sharing that with you today, because as you
can see our 2006 figure was 9,231 and in 2007 it's 9,232. We had one additional crime
reported in 2007, coupled with about a 13,000 increase in population. So, basically,
what that equates to is we have had a decrease of 13 percent per capita in our crime
overall. And we still remain the second lowest per capita crime rate in the state of
Idaho. We have not beat Rupert yet. We are currently getting ready to hire a Rupert
officer, so maybe he can bring some things to us.
De Weerd: And share the secrets, uh?
Lavey: Here is a crime rate comparison. You might have seen these in the newspaper
here recently. This is something that we are proud of. You can see Kuna has 45
crimes per thousand. Boise 75.1 per thousand. Nampa 75.4. Caldwell 92. Garden
City 104.4 per thousand. No comment. And Meridian has a 40.8 per thousand. 'We
have the lowest crime rate of all those cities listed. How do we keep our crime rate so
low? Well, I think Councilman Zaremba saw this the other day and he made a
comment, so this is for him. He made a comment about this would be a good tool to
handle the crime area here in Meridian. That's about my entire budget to buy that and,
then, to run that is even more than that. So, basically, how do we do it is through our
mission statement of education, prevention, and enforcement. I already said it's to the
work of the men and women of the police department and that's what it is, basically.
Just in the last couple of days I have had to opportunity to hear that, boy, you guys sure
are visible in town and that just makes me proud every time I hear that. Even if they are
getting pulled over. General information. The number of calls for service in 2006 to
2007. 2006 figures, 51,578. 2007, 55,422. What this graph depicts is that our most
busiest time in the city limits is from 10:00 to 11:00 p.m. for any day of the week. That
is the time frame that we actually have shift overlap. For those of you that come out
and have rode with us, we have swings and graves overlap every night between 9:00
and 2:00 a.m. 9:00 p.m. to 2:00 a.m. So, noteworthy accomplishments. Proud to say
that we just graduated our fifth public safety academy class. We can't take all credit for
this, because this is a joint venture with the fire department and I can tell you that when
Chief Anderson and the Mayor and myself go to these graduations, everything we hear
is positive, positive, positive, positive about our department. And I will say that when it
was -- and I put this on the record before. The first time I was approached with, hey,
let's put these two agencies together, I'm thinking what is the Mayor thinking. And
have shared this with her. And I have to say that it was a darn good idea, because it
surpassed anything that we were thinking and so on the record the Mayor was right.
De Weerd: Oh, cool. You caught that, right, Dean? Would you highlight it forme?
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Lavey: We actually had a town hall meeting for underage alcohol consumption. This
was our first town hall meeting in regards to this topic and it was kind of -- kind of
catered toward what we did with our last town hall meeting. We didn't have a great
turnout, which was kind of sad, but with what we did put on and the people that were
present it was a great, great program. And so, basically, we -- it just encouraged us to
move on and do better and better and better. Why would I put together a neighborhood
watch community luncheon together, but this is something that -- that our neighborhood
-- our crime prevention people and our neighborhood watch kind of came together in
partnership and it's kind of that same concept with taking the city out into the community
and we took our department and the Mayor and myself out to our community with our
neighborhood watch and kind of a recruiting adventure and we went out to Meadow
Lake Village and it was a success and we hoped to change that location geographically
among the city, but that's where we started. We reestablished the patrol bicycle
program. I didn't tell the Mayor that we did this. She knew that we were thinking about
it and she had the pleasure of -- of witnessing them here in the last couple of days, but
positive, positive feedback. I got one that person called me on the phone, another
person that came into the lobby just to tell us that they appreciate the bikes out there.
Kind of has a secondary reason. We will get to that later on. And the other thing that
we just did with them is the fireworks presentation at Storey Park, they actually worked
that, along with foot patrols in the park. Participating in the first unified command for
Dairy Days. This is one thing that we have talked about for a long, long time, but we put
police and fire and EMS in the same room in a unified command and the amazing thing
is we were all on the same radio frequency and actually could talk to each other and we
had a successful Dairy Days this year and we will continue to work that sort of structure
up with Dairy Days and any other special event -- large special event that we have in
the city. I won't -- I will say there is a lot of opportunities for growth, but, you know, it
needs improvement, but not because bad things happen, just because we have a
chance to continue to get better and better and better at it, so -- establish the radio inter-
operability with fire and EMS. We now have the ability to talk with each other out there.
We are still working on some -- some protocols and some procedures to really make
that happen, because one thing that Chief Anderson talked about was that we have this
ability, yet we still don't use it and so trying to figure out how to change the way we do
business. But operating under that unified command was the first start. The Governor's
Idaho's Brightest Start Award for our MADC, Mayor's Anti-Drug Coalition. We actually
had the pleasure of being -- receiving an award from Governor Otter for our efforts with
MADC. I don't know if I can really take credit for it anymore, but I think the idea
originated with us and we are still a strong participant. We just recently held the third
annual downtown clean up in the City of Meridian. And that was, once again, a success
this year, but there has been many, many partners that are involved in that.
De Weerd: I think you underestimate the role that your staff plays in that. Melissa
Delaney and --
Lavey: Code enforcement.
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De Weerd: -- Abe. They are tremendous. And that was -- that was amazing. It's
amazing the difference it makes in the -- the three different sections of Old Town that
they have been involved in. The response from the neighbors is just overwhelming and
the amount of stuff we take out of those areas is enormous. I have never seen so much
stuff.
Lavey: Thank you for that. I just don't want to take away from all the other many
volunteers, the Boys and Girls Club, SSC, and all those places that actually have a part
in it as well
De Weerd: Yeah.
Lavey: We talked a little bit about this and I believe Councilman Bird has seen this one.
We always talked -- I always put the dogs first, because the dogs are more popular and
they are smarter than the handlers. But we just recently added a drug detection dog
named Bowser.
De Weerd: Bowser.
Lavey: I wasn't really exited about the name and it really kind of reminded me of Super
Nintendo, but --
Bird: He's a beautiful lab, though.
Lavey: He's a beautiful lab. The nice thing I can say is we rescued him from the Idaho
Humane Society and we paid 75 dollars for him. So, that's the nice thing about it. He
just took fourth in the drug competition in a Pocatello K-9 trial here about two weeks
ago. There was over 60 teams that were there at that conference. I'm not sure how
many completed. In the past about 30 teams -- 25 to 30 teams have competed. This --
this handler has only been doing it for a couple of months. The dog himself is only about
14, 15 months old and they took fourth. So, he's working. They -- this team is currently
working the streets here in Meridian. This is the handler from last year for a new patrol
dog. This patrol dog came from Holland. His name was Kai and we assigned him to
handler Jeremy Lindlay. And Kai didn't work out and so we shipped him back to
Holland and I --
Zaremba: He didn't understand English.
Lavey: Yeah. I am told. You know, there was a few zeros behind the 75 on this dog
and so it was a lot more important that we get it right the first time, so we didn't take
delivery of this dog. No cost to the city at all yet. The nice thing about it is the -- the
vendor had actually brought the dog to the K-9 conference and he had about 60 other
potential, you know, departments that he may do business with in the future and he
wasn't about to give us a bad dog and so he shipped the dog back. The nice thing
about it is we do have another dog that he's working with. It's in Alabama currently. But
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are trying to find a method to actually ship him here, because of the regulations on the
airlines, because of heat and everything else. We might have to go to the city of
Portland to pick the dog up, because it's cooler. Somewhere on the coast. And if that's
the case we will do that. So, we will have him here shortly. Once they get here, I will
bring both of those dogs to one of the Council meetings and you can meet the handlers
and meet the dogs, if you so like. The other unique thing that we did this year was we
actually had a partnership with the Mountain View High School media students to
produce Meridian Police Department's first recruiting video. What we did is we had this
group of students come out and actually film our officers in training situations and
SWAT demonstrations, some traffic stops, a wide area of topics and we also did some
testimonials with the officers and we are currently in the process of putting this all
together to music and forming a recruiting video. Basically, my direction was let's get
something together that we can use that's short, like two or three minutes, four minutes,
but something that someone can look at it and go, okay, I like that, I want to ask more
questions. Also, with any -- with any of the website upgrades -- and I don't really want
to bring up the IT issues, but with that -- with the fiber and with the upgrade to the web
software, would allow us to do streaming video and put that video on a website, which
we currently cannot do. Then, to produce a 20 to 25 minute video, depending on the
amount of footage we have and just put it on a continuous loop, so if we went to a
recruiting event we can just put it there in a DVD player and just continue to play it over
and over and over. And, then, like I said, the short video -- our debut target is for the
police and fire games. We have an opportunity to have lots of certified police officers
here in our city in about six weeks and we intend to recruit and that is on the record.
Put this on here. It's really kind of hard to read, but this just kind of gives you an idea of
one of our recruiting things that we are doing. It gives a picture up in the upper left-
hand corner of a patrol team. You can actually see a dog over there on the left-hand
comer. But it just gives a few facts about what are some of the benefits that the city
offers, what are some of the pay ranges. A little bit about us. Our website. And who to
contact. And this is what we are using as a recruiting flier right now. And so there will
be plenty of these available to the police and fire games as well. Who knows, we might
even be able to recruit a fireman. I knew you guys --
Bird: I'd say something, but Anderson isn't in here
Lavey: Yeah. I did it for Bill and Mark. What I did is I put our enhancement just on one
page here and it just gives me an idea of what's up here and it gives me a chance to
talk about each -- each item. I know that I have heard some of the -- the percent
figures. Twenty-three percent. Two hundred percent. And everything else. I believe --
could be wrong, but I believe our increase is only like .48 percent.
Bird: That's right.
Lavey: And so as you can see it's real real conservative. But I want to run down here,
basically, what we are asking for.
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De Weerd: Hey, Jeff, before you get started, I'm just -- we are going to make it -- this a
working lunch, but --
Lavey: Do you want -- this is a perfect time to pause, if you want to do that.
De Weerd: Exactly. If you don't mind, you guys can all grab something, but while it's
hot, let them go grab something and, then, we will continue.
Lavey: Thank you. That's a perfect time.
De Weerd: Okay.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor, I would make one comment while we are breaking here. You
should think about adding an enhancement for transportation where we can gather up
some repeat offenders and take them over to Rupert and leave them there.
De Weerd: We are on recess.
(Recess.)
10:40 am Police Department
De Weerd: Okay. We are back on the record. Thank you, Jeff.
Lavey: Thank you, Mayor. Madam Mayor, Council, to pick up where we left off, this
would be a good opportunity to tell you that our enhancements are about .48 percent
increase over last year and I put all of them up here on the board, so we can just look at
them and talk about them. If they raise questions, we can talk about them, great. If not,
we can talk about them toward the end. First the one, the specialty pay. This is the
second phase to the pay the consultant study that we did, oh, six or eight months ago.
One of the areas that we looked at was comparing other agencies. The city did not
offer any sort of pay incentives to those that go above and beyond what they do as far
as instructors, FTOs, field training officers, and such and so what this is going to do is
allow us to implement that second phase. I worked with HR on the figures -- actually,
with Bill Nary personally and so that's pretty self-explanatory, but, basically, what it does
is it gives increased pay incentives up to 50 cents an hour per specialty with a max of
$1.50 an hour. And, then, there is a couple of areas where because of the way we have
been doing business in the -- in the previous -- we had to kind of come up with a
comparable way of giving an additional stipend that was similar to what they were
already receiving in overtime. And second -- second enhancement, community services
coordinator position. This is a position that is relying solely -- well, not solely, but relying
on a grant. You probably saw this last year. Maybe you remember from last year. And
this is something that was approved by the city last year and we were not successful in
receiving that grant, yet we left that money in place. Due to federal changes, the
amount of monies that we can request in the new grant is a little bit more and so you will
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last year versus what we are requesting this year, is about 5,000, 6,500 dollars
increase, but let me stress that it's still dependent upon receiving the grant and we will
not receive any -- we will not receive word until late August. I did receive a letter here
recently saying that we made it to the next stage. So, late August. And that would be
working with our anti-drug coalition on a full-time basis, whereas currently we have a
part-time person. CID assistant. This is an executive assistant and this is something
that we had in place awhile ago -- years ago. We kind of gave it up, because we didn't
think we had a -- well, I'm not sure if it was -- it was before my -- before my tenure at the
top. If there was a need for it. I can tell you right now that our detectives have about
400 active cases assigned to them each. And so if you go down to number ten, you will
where I requested additional detectives. Well, I pulled that enhancement and I pulled it
for a couple of reasons. One is because of the significant cost. It was over 200,000
dollars. Two is I'm still in the process of trying to attract qualified police officers and if
I'm having difficulties with that, then, I can't really add more detectives until I add more
police officers and so it would really be bad timing on my part. And so the other thing
that I look at is if I could get an administrative assistant that could come in and do those
tasks, such as transcription and paperwork and photocopies and the menial phone calls
and that sort of thing, then, maybe I can alleviate some of the pressure that our
detectives currently face and kind of felt that that was probably the appropriate action to
take with our current economic status. The -- number four, weapons maintenance.
This is one area that you never think about when you put something in place, but
fortunate for us is that we don't have to use our service pistols often in the line of duty.
But we do have to shoot three to four times a year. That amount of rounds actually,
eventually, stresses the weapon and we have to look at replacing them. We are to a
point where we have added so many weapons without a regular maintenance schedule
that we have to start implementing a maintenance schedule. You can really see that
the price is insignificant compared to the -- the outcome that we are going to receive,
but there is a program where you can actually pay for an upgrade and you can get a
brand new pistol for about 200 dollars apiece. Or we can buy brand new ones at 550
dollars apiece. So, that's what that money is -- and, basically, what we have
established is a program where we will start rotating the oldest pistols through and so
each year we'd propose a couple thousand dollars for weapons maintenance. The next
one is police training software. You have seen a lot of software requests this year
already. I have withdrawn this one for two reasons. One, we have an in-house
program that was built by a volunteer and when we became large enough it started
falling apart and it was doing some real funky things and kind of had -- like fhat picture
that Bill Nary had up here with the guy yelling at the computer, I had my training
coordinator yelling at the computer like that. Well, Teny Paternoster came in and we
kind of fixed it and we do believe that although we need to look at the way we do
business, not necessarily in just on a police training side, but on a city wide training
side, but we believe that we can get by another year and so that's why that is
withdrawn. Firearm safety equipment. This is a, you know, relatively small amount, but
what this is is several years ago a company actually designed what we believe is the
safest -- safest police holster around. Now, not every holster -- you can't claim as one
hundred percent reliable, because the cons will always find a way to get a gun out of a
holster and everything else, but this is probably the safest and easiest holster to
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manipulate and we have purchased those for all of our new officers and a lot of our
older officers. Although right now we have several different holsters out there and we
would like to be consistent and this amount of money would buy enough holsters so
everybody would be consistent within the department. Everybody would be safe and
the training would be much easier, because you're training all on one holster. That's
what that's for. You know, seven and eight, indoor range and the station expansion, I'm
going to skip right now, because I have a slide that goes more in depth in those and we
can talk about those. Faces contract. You know, last year Greg Bower -- Attorney Greg
Bower and Kevin McTeague from Faces, I believe, came in front of Council talking
about asking for some money for their -- for their mission and what they do. Through
our contacts with them, based on a population percentage and use percentage, that our
contribution to Faces would be 9,872 dollars. Now, I'm not a strong supporter or a
strong opponent of this, I merely put that in there, so if they do come before you and ask
you for monies, we have already set the monies aside. I can go either way on that and I
can explain that further if you have questions. We already talked about the detective
position and, then, we finish up with the SRO position. Although it's not mentioned on
this slide, this SRO position is currently going to be financed 50 percent by the Boise- --
orthe Meridian School District. It would be great if the Boise School District would do it.
But that Meridian School District -- and I can't give you one hundred percent guarantee
on that yet, because their budget process is later than ours. But they have committed
toward that, but it may not survive a cut. And what this is going to do is it's going to put
an SRO into all of the alternative schools that we have in the city. The two middle
school alternative schools and the two high school alternative schools and if you recall,
Central Academy has just been annexed this year into the city limits of Meridian. So,
essentially, what they are doing is they are taking the monies that they were paying
Ada county and now giving it to us. So, that's what that -- that enhancement is. Part of
our enhancement -- or part of our request has to do with vehicle placement and this has
always been a topic and you're going to see that's why are we replacing 2005's, why are
we replacing 2007's, and I'm here to explain that and to answer questions -- additional
questions as necessary. 2005 cars -- these are three year old cars. We have
committed to once a car has reached 90,000 miles we start looking at replacement. I
can tell you that each one of these cars will have an additional 25,000 to 35,000 miles
on them before they are replaced. So, every car up there will be over a hundred
thousand miles. These cars are what we refer to as a pursuit vehicle. These are
vehicles that are, essentially, the office of the patrol car -- patrol. officers and they need
to be safe cars, if -- although we don't drive at high speeds often, they do have that
potential. Now, any of these cars may be available to -- usually we hit the attorney's
office first, because he takes our junk cars, but they would be available to other cities. I
don't believe that they are that critical in -- but the maintenance on them is tremendous.
I will tell you that our maintenance budget is -- we are over already. We are over
budget and we still have the summer to go and part of the fall. So, if we keep these
cars another year, then, it's just going to seriously impact our -- our maintenance
budget. The 2007 Crown Vic was one of our newest cars that was actually involved in a
wreck on Ustick in the wintertime and it was a significant crash that resulted in totaling
of the vehicle and the officer also received a citation for his lack of driving skill. One of
the Dodge Intrepids up there is a detective vehicle and it has 105,000 miles on it. The
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other one only has 74,000 miles on it, but the reason why it only has 74,000 miles on it
is it has a blown engine. We are going to give that one to the attorney's office as well.
One of the things that we also have done is in the past on the detective's rotation, we
have rotated the cars at seven years and it's up for -- this Chrysler van is our crime
scene van and this is a van that goes out on all our crime scenes and holds all our
equipment and it would also be offered to the -- to someone else that wouldn't have to
drive it as often, but it is in very poor condition, the maintenance on this is tremendous,
but if somebody in the city wants to take over that maintenance nightmare, they can.
And, then, the 2005 Honda motor, this one always makes me cringe when I read this,
because Officer Will Stoy was on the motorcycle when he was struck from behind and
the car was going 37 miles an hour at the time that it struck him and the only reason
why Will Stoy is alive today is because the driver had the wheels turned to the left. And
she was uninsured. And so the two things on this one is not only did the amount of
monies we got from the insurance company cover the purchase of a new motor, you
can't purchase new motors from Honda until late fall. So, it wouldn't have done us any
good anyways. So, I believe the next slide goes into a little further in depth on that.
Let's kind of talk a little bit about what I already mentioned; our vehicle replacement
request is 22,500 less than last year. The blown engine, the totaled vehicle, the totaled
motorcycle -- you now, one of the things that finance asked me is why do you come and
get those vehicles replaced and there were so many other budget amendments going
on this year and everything else, we decided to wait until next year, instead of coming in
and asking Council for additional monies to purchase those vehicles. It didn't make any
sense on the motorcycle, otherwise, I could have came to you and says, hey, can we go
buy new -- or used motorcycles and we didn't do that as well. One of the things that we
did recently come into a deal with ICRMP -- ICRMP kind of forgot that the motorcycle
was at the Canyon Honda and it was incurring -- accruing ten dollars a day in storage
fees and so we did a little bargain and we got Canyon Honda to forego those storage
fees and in payment for that ICRMP donated us the police motorcycle. So, if we buy --
we already have one Honda at the same year and, then, we have a vehicle now that we
can use parts off of it, so -- this figure here is -- is --originated with IT, but Teny does go
over each of the -- each of the requests with the directors, but he's the one that,
basically, identifies the need. I can tell you that the -- the first two are on that five year
rotation. The other ones are computers that were slotted for replacement a long time
ago, but we had a need for additional computers and so there is old computers in there
and I asked Teny if we could get those replaced and -- and that's what you see right
now. I believe the Mayor and a few Council Members have struggled through using
some of the computers in the public meeting room and the training room and so that's --
the conference room and a public meeting room are the two -- two computers -- I do
recall where the Mayor had sent someone down to find someone to work on the
computers one time and I had come upstairs and I was working on it and she was --
couldn't believe that I was actually -- actually there at 7:00 o'clock at night working on
computers. And, then, the other two things are printers and one of them is a backup
printer and the other one is a color printer for crime scene photos. And the ones that we
currently have in place, one does not work at all, one prints about a page every five
minutes, and it's just time to get those replaced. So, that's those. As I mentioned
before, last year's enhancement requests were 1.1 million dollars. This year we are at
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340,000, which includes personnel operating capital and, then, I already mentioned
each patrol car will have about 25,000 additional miles on it before they are replaced.
This is -- this is a unique situation that we face ourself in now with the gas prices and --
and this is -- let me tell you that figure, that that's a very low figure, because if someone
forgot to put their mileage on a log or didn't do a log that day, it's -- that would be
omitted. Our supervisor and our investigators and support and our admin don't fill out
logs that track these miles, but we put on 323,000 miles on our patrols cars. I can tell
you that our gas for the month bill was 19,000 dollars, which is an increase from about
14,000 a year ago, per month. So, some of the things that we have been doing to try to
help with that -- one is we have given additional staff the benefit of a 4/10 work week,
where they can actually commute four days a week, instead of five. We have added the
bicycles. We have increased foot patrols in downtown and in the areas of special
events. We are -- you know, I put this up here on the fuel and we do double up officers
and cars on overlapped shifts and that does save gas, but one of the other reasons I
have to confess that we do that is we just don't have enough cars for -- to go around
and no idling of cars unless emergency or our K-9 vehicle. We let the cars idle if they
got a dog in. there so the dog doesn't die and, then, if you're on emergency we are
actually drawing energy from the battery with the overhead lights, we leave the cars
running as well and one of the things that we have done is we have converted over to
the -- for the most part I believe there are six cars out there that have not converted
over the LED, but an LED light bar, which draws about two amps versus the 35 amp on
the battery and alternator. And, then, smaller vehicles, smaller engines. We have
actually purchased smaller -- smaller trucks for code enforcement, smaller vehicles for
detective vehicles. So, we are trying to do what we can. The one thing that I'm trying to
get away from and I won't say I refuse to do it, but -- unless I absolutely have to, but you
hear a lot on the news about, well, we are just going to have our officers park their cars
and everything else. But, well, we are in public safety and our job is public safety. In
order to insure the safety of those people, we have to be visible and we have to be
driving around. It doesn't make any sense to me that we park our cars. That's just my
-- my opinion on it. Additional items and notes. We talked about this. I know that this
question is going to come up and I got a next slide that talks about it even more, but we
hit on the two main capital items, the shooting range and the building and just let me tell
you a little bit about the range. As can-ently designed, it's about six million dollars. We
might be able to build it with say way the economy is right now for about five million
dollars, but that's five million dollars and, then, we have no -- no monies in the Capital
Improvement Fund and it just takes -- if we were to -- if we were to cut every
enhancement out this year, there is still not enough money to build the thing. Building
expansion. We need more room and we are 87 percent of capacity for our evidence
room. We are crammed packed in our records and we do not have adequate space to
actually write the police reports and this is impacting us in overtime costs and
everything else trying to get the job done. And, then, in the women's locker room we
actually have had to kick women out of lockers and only give the sworn officers lockers,
so they can lock their duty weapons up and everything else and we are beyond
capacity. So, we have to address that sometime in the future. Where do we go from
here? This was mentioned about 8:15 this morning, 8:20 this morning, this first slide.
Just some things to think about is moving some of our savings from our personnel costs
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into the public safety reserve or like Stacy suggested, a certain percentage of
operational savings be placed in this fund to be used at a later time. One thing to keep
in mind is our final payment for the police department in 2011. What I would do is ask
the Council to continue to place this amount of money into that reserve fund. You have
already budgeted it, it's already there, let's continue paying it into that fund. One of the
things we talked about on public safety reserve fund is not just police, it's fire as well.
And one thing that I believe Chief Anderson is going to talk about is that although we
have a fire truck fund, is what we call it now to purchase new fire trucks, we don't really
have a plan in place to buy replacements trucks and this -- this reserve fund would also
be allowed for that.
De Weerd: Which is about a half a million dollars a year.
Lavey: Yeah. We kind of -- we kind of battle over those monies, who gets them first
and --
De Weerd: I mean the interest and the principal payment.
Lavey: Yes. Yes. It's like four hundred and some thousand almost -- yeah. One of the
things that the Mayor talked about and Bill Nary even talked about was just hiring
somebody to get this -- the range project going. Instead of hiring someone, we talked
about maybe promoting a lieutenant and assigning that lieutenant to this on a full-time
basis to get this project up and running and, then, when that need is no longer there,
either through attrition or I do have a need for another lieutenant in the patrol division,
because currently we only have coverage for days and swing. There is no command
staff covering grave. So, I have one lieutenant that covers -- and they are probably over
there arguing right now. I have one lieutenant that covers two daytime shifts, plus the
traffic shift and, then, I have another one that covers four evening shifts. So, if we are
on the record, I don't really want to talk -- I don't really want to comment too much on
the development, the business plan, but we actually had this promised to us and this
has fell through. This person that was going to work on this has not produced one item
on paper that I have been able to look at. We need to seek out potential financial
partners and I know that with Councilman Rountree and Councilman Bird we have
discussed this and I have discussed this also with the Mayor, but we need to at least
discuss do we want to approach a private industry interest and see if there is someone
that wants to build on our land. But if we do that, we need to make sure that we at least
have some sort of control on that, because I don't want to build something and us not
being able to use it and it's on our property. So, there are some of the tough questions
that we need to discuss either today or later or for the next several years. That is the
end of my presentation. I didn't time it, but hopefully I didn't go over too much and I am
open for questions.
De Weerd: Okay. Council, questions?
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
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De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: Chief, is there some ability to do some remodel in the current station to
maybe address some of your-space issues on an interim basis or have you just simply
looked at a larger facility?
Lavey: One of the things that Councilman Bird and I discussed today is just that. I
would tell you that one of the areas that I would say that it's impossible is that -- the
evidence vault. The evidence vault is brick and motor and it's alarmed and everything
else and so we can't put additional evidence without jeopardizing a chain of custody.
So, in that area we can't. When you look at records -- you know, I'm not the expert and
we might be able to have an architect come in to do a needs assessment and make
some suggestions and everything else, so in the -- in the expert eyes I'd have to defer to
them. I would say it's possible. Probably not all that practical, but, you know, that's a
lay person making that decision. I don't know. It's definitely something to look at.
De Weerd: Councilman Rountree, I guess, too, we have been. in discussions with the
county about shared space over there in building anew --anew addition. They have
been giving -- given Chief Lavey's name, as well as Sergeant Parsons; correct?
Lavey: Correct.
De Weerd: As our people to be talking to. They are also in their budgeting session on
what they might be able to fund for this upcoming year. They need 10,000 square feet
with a separate entrance and there is perhaps an opportunity to even use some of that
space interiorly until, you know, an addition one would be put in place, because they
wouldn't need that whole 10,000 square feet right off the bat. So, those discussions will
start happening once they set their budget and we can bring back more information as
that unfolds.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes.
Bird: To add to that, I think it's a great idea, but I don't think we want to -- I don't think
we want to just do a 10,000 square foot addition, we want to do a 20, because we may
as well go two and just leave the one shell and the core. That's my personal opinion. I
have got a question. Out in the sally port, how often is that sally port really used?
Lavey: It's actually used daily. We actually have an intox room and we actually bring in
prisoners daily and process them through the intox room. There is a blood drying room
off of that, too, for evidence, because, once again, evidence is full and we don't have a
place to put certain items, so anything that comes in that's bloody is put into a locked
room off the sally port and allowed to dry in there before it's moved into the actual
evidence room. You know, it's one of those things that you could cut half of it off and
pull in, back out, but, you know, then, you create other problems, you know, backing
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issues and everything else and so it's -- it's worth asking that question. I don't know if it
makes the most sense, but I'm not here to tum it down.
Bird: Anytime you back you cause safety problems.
Lavey: Yes.
Bird: I didn't realize it was used that much, chief.
De Weerd: You know, chief, I guess I would also like to suggest that there is an
enormous basement in the new City Hall and I don't know, you know, if old evidence or
how you could utilize that. We could design in something that could be a safe facility
with -- with access only to those that you designate, but it is an option. If that seems
reasonable for you, we can explore it. Now would be the time to really take a look at
that. .But if that helps you at least alleviate or free up some percentages of space in
evidence, certainly that is available.
Lavey: Thank you.
Bird: Records could be there, to.
De Weerd: Records, too.
Lavey: Yeah. And that's what I was thinking. Records and archives. As far as those
records that we don't have to access often, we could do that. One of the things that we
try to do is keep a fair amount of records available downstairs for the public information
requests and, then, anything else, once it reaches a certain date, is upstairs in an
archive storage. But even that's become full. Part of the original plan when LCA
designed the building, was not only to expand off both wings, but also build above the
sally port and above the sally port is for archive storage and tasked -- or for record
storage of about 2,500 feet and I told them that now is not the time to design that and so
with the thoughts of using the basement downstairs, so -- one thing I will point out, too,
and we talked about it, is that we did request through Kreizenbeck some price
differences between building the entire shell and with only finishing downstairs and,
then, finishing everything and it's sad to say that it's only about a 420,000 dollar
savings, but that's 420,000 dollars, but it's not a significant amount of savings to actually
build the shell and only finish part of it, but that is definitely an option that we were
looking at.
De Weerd: I guess, Council, bottom line on these two items that were withdrawn,
certainly we are looking at how we can put money aside and any savings over this next
budget year. Also looking forward to the future, we will be coming back with a Capital
Improvement Plan and trying to put a financial strategy in place as far as what the
impact fees are to pay for, what General Fund obligations are, and how we start setting
aside for those various enhancements. On these particular two, we do have some work
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they are able to bring to the table, what kind of lease agreements we can also put into
place, there is a lot of detail that remains to be done. With the staff that the police
department has, you know,- I would think it would be prudent to consider seeing how we
can really focus a person to be responsible for progressing this forward and addressing
these training needs and the firing range needs. So, I guess with that we would seek
your direction on -- and/or feedback. We definitely will have a plan in place for the next
budget year.
Lavey: Well, then, on the -- I just pitched that proposal. There is no financial figures to
come along with that. That's just an idea. And if you want to discuss that more in depth
at 3:30 I will be present for that and if it's something we want to talk about into the
future, we can sure look at that as well. And there is one other thought that I had and
kind of lost that one as well, so it must not have been that important.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes, Mr. Bird.
Bird: The main thing is I don't want this to get off the radar and if we should have
someone fall on our head with about four or five million dollars, that we would -- I
personally believe that the firing range is a priority over the expansion. Not that both of
them aren't important, but I do believe the firing range is not only beneficial to our police
department, I believe the firing range is beneficial to the whole, because the interaction
it's going to have with the youth and the police officers, if nothing else, because all of us
know the Optimists would like to be involved with it. I can't see of any better scenario of
young kids out there shooting and stuff and being -- and interacting with our police
officers and so I think it's something that we know we can't budget this year, but we can
certainly keep it at the forefront and if we have something -- like I said, fall on our heads
or something that's got a lot of money in it, we maybe could do it. That's my personal
opinion.
Lavey: I just -- I just remembered that other thought. Just to insure that Council knows
or remembers that last year you earmarked 250,000 dollars towards the range project.
Four thousand of that was spent for the conceptual design, so there is 246,000 dollars.
There is an additional 204,000 dollars potential in impact fees, minus the -- the
substation from the fire department and we haven't got the final bill on that yet, so
depending on how much money they try to take from me on that one -- I'm sure I'm
going to get the bill, but -- he gets to go last. But -- so, all I would ask is that if we find
any monies floating around that we can earmark to that fund, we would greatly
appreciate that, because any little bit will be a start.
Borton: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes, Mr. Borton.
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Borton: To sort of dovetail on those comments, when this is -- the process right now
really is where it's at. At least the way I see it and I look at these enhancements and
walk through the budget as a whole and try and prioritize what's important for the city
and what we can fund and can't fund, that training range is extremely high and my
thought right now -- and we will discuss it at 3:30, I would love to reallocate the current
funds to make significant contributions, at least the range, maybe the building, utilizing
Stacy's idea with the public safety reserve fund and additional savings in personnel that
you mentioned and jump start it now. If it means we cut out 500,000, million five, and
other stuff right now, that's fine. It's critically important. Otherwise, we are just going to
sit here and talk about it and planning for it like in year '010, there is not going to be a
bag of money fall from the sky. We are going to have to make tough choices, so I'm
ready to make them now. So, when we talk about that at 3:30 -- and they are tough
choices. Public safety is pretty dam high on the list, so --
Bird: I second that, Mr. Borton.
De Weerd: Okay.
Zaremba: The shooting training range is one of those things that I would think would be
a candidate even for us making it available to other jurisdictions, along the lines of what
I was talking about with what legal does. Boise supplies some of their expertise to us,
but if we -- I certainly see the need for Meridian to have it, but I would think that maybe
we need to think about could it be a little bigger than we need all by ourselves and sell
space to other jurisdictions or whatever. Sell time or something.
Lavey: I can -- Councilman Zaremba, I can kind of answer a little bit of what we have
gone through and Councilman Rountree and Councilman Bird are kind of aware .of
some of it, because they have been present for those meetings and I really haven't -- I
didn't talk about it here today, because of kind of where I was going with things, but we
have been in negotiations with several different departments and the sheriffs office has
committed about one-third use of their -- of the facility as far as they got it broke down
into they would like to use a firearm simulator that they were going to purchase down at
their station for a third of their training, although that's 175,000 dollars. So, that's going
to be certainly impacted, but, then, the National Guard range, which is about 45 minutes
from downtown Boise, but they have issue cars and so they can go -- they can drive
down there and in a third of the time with our range, because they currently use impact
guns. They are not really prepared to offer any capital monies right now, it would be
user fee based, but that's something that could be discussed with the elected county
commissioners as well. The Boise police department -- and I have shared this with both
Councilman Bird and Councilman Rountree, Boise decided that driving down to the
National Guard range was going to cost them the equivalent of two full-time police
officer positions for just in driving time. Windshield time. And so that's not cost effective
for them. They have -- they are attempting to purchase the Boise Police Association
range. It's a range owned by the association, not by the police department, and this
range has been in place since the 1950s. They feel that with EPA and clean up and
everything else that they are only looking at about 100,000 dollars, but I believe Council
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has gone through those nightmares with city, that the City Council realized that those
fees could be far greater and so I think they are getting themselves in a -- in a venture
that they are not really prepared for yet financially and they have approached us on kind
of sharing. It's like, you know, you can use this rage for rifles and we can use this range
-- so, it's kind of a partnership deal where, yes, we have the ability to address our needs
when our facility doesn't -- doesn't do that, yet it's not really bringing any monies back
into us, it's just relieving what we currently pay in range use fees now. I asked Garden
City what do they do and they pretty much just go with the flow and jump on whatever
range they can jump on, but they are a lot smaller department, so they -- they don't
need as big a space, but they really have no money to commit to this project. I believe
in Canyon county we are going to see that need, but they haven't -- they currently have
some ranges that they use that they are grandfathered, but every year Nampa keeps --
Nampa lost one range already and where they shoot now is -- they are about ready to
lose it, too, because they keep fighting and fighting and fighting for it and they have
about eight lanes that they can use for their department and their department is bigger
than ours and so it takes us 45 minutes to get to Nampa's range and we can only run
eight people through it at a time, it doesn't really make sense for us. But I do believe
you're going to find that need is great for Canyon county as well, just maybe not right
now. And, then, of course, they fall into that same thing, it's like we will provide user
fees, because they don't want to put capital up, but -- so that puts us back into, yes, can
it make money once it's -- you know, if you build it they will come. I believe that's the
case. But you still got to have five million dollars to build .the shell and that's kind of
where we are at. And, then, that's one of the things that we hope for, is that if we can
get someone to concentrate on this on a full-time basis, maybe we can stop talking
about it and maybe do something about it and maybe get those commitments from
those people, so if you build this we will use it X number of weeks at a time at this
number of dollars per person, which you would be able to bring in X number of dollars a
year. And I think that's kind of what the Mayor's kind of looking for in a business plan.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes. Mr. Bird.
Bird: Before we go get off this, for everybody to think about, chief, what does it cost --
what does it cost you, approximately, in labor costs right now to go shoot in a year's
time?
Lavey: Currently where we are -- I don't have the exact figures in my head, but --
Bird: You have a pretty good idea.
Lavey: Currently where we are is we pay an hour and a half of overtime pay per person
just to drive to the range and, then, that's a significant amount of time that is taken out of
the actual training time. One of the things that we have concentrated on in the past is in
the last couple of years it started with Chief Musser is scenario-based training and you
just don't go shoot at paper targets anymore and you just don't go say, hey, stand here,
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do this. It's -- you actually get engaged and one of the things that I'm looking at is that's
kind of the way we -- right now we have to get our return on investment, so if I go
reserve a range for all day, I want to have people out there all day, but after about four
hours you're not really training very productively, because your scores go down and you
get tired, you got to deal with the weather conditions and everything else. And so we
are looking at changing the way we do business and incorporating live fire into that
scenario-based training. We are also looking at, okay, when a shift comes on and
you're at an afternoon shift, four of you are going to go to the range, four of you are
going to go hit the road, go handle calls and, then, in an hour and two hours flip. So,
you might shoot just as many rounds in a year, but you're going to shoot ten or 12 times
a year, instead of two or three and we believe we are going to have better trained
officers because of that. So, those are some of the benefits that you can get out of that.
But, essentially, it probably costs a -- a full-time police officer's salary in what we have to
pay just in current travel costs per year.
De Weerd: Which is 80,000?
Lavey: When you put the benefits in, yes.
Bird: And also when Councilman Rountree and I seen the video on the -- on the
shooting range that's -- that's approximately this five million dollars, it covers about
every training you -- you can even have an indoor Hogan's alley, as I recall, or sort of a
Hogan's alley. So, basically, what would you say, chief, 85 percent of your firearms
training can be done at this range?
Lavey: Eighty-five is probably a low figure. The only real thing that the range cannot
offer is a greater distance for precision rifle shooting. Although we put in a 50 yard rifle
range for ten stations, there is going to be a need where we are going to have to shoot
outside, because we shoot our rifles at a hundred plus yards and, then, for the precision
shooters, for the SWAT snipers, they are several hundreds of yards and so those are
the needs that we can't address in building. Everything else can be addressed in this
building. We have designed it to the point where you can actually drive cars into it, you
can build houses in it, and everything else. We also have set it up where you can
actually do your own weather, we can make it rain, we can make it mist, we can make it
fog. The nice thing about it is we can make it instantly dark by the flip of a switch and
so we don't have to shoot at night and worry about violating noise ordinances, we can
shoot during the day and still be in the dark, so --
Bird: And Council -- I believe Councilman Rountree and myself figured if we was going
to build one, we wanted to build one that covered all these aspects of training, so that
we weren't jumping around. I mean probably one of these long distance and this SWAT
team and stuff, what are you talking about, ten to 15 officers at the most out of 76?
Lavey: About six.
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Bird: About six, seven. So, you're not -- it's not costing you for them to go out like it
would, you know, if the whole force was doing it.
Lavey: Well, they currently train with -- we have a metro SWAT team and they actually
train with Ada county and Garden City and so it's -- yeah, that whole group goes out and
shoots at different paces, so --
Bird: I think it's something that, as the Mayor said, we need to keep it in front of us and,
Joe, I appreciate your thoughts on it, too. It's something we have got to -- we have got
to figure out somehow to get it, but --
De Weerd: Okay. Thank you.
Lavey: Thank you. I will be here at 3:30 if you need me.
12:10 pm Fire Department
De Weerd: Chief Anderson.
Anderson: Well, Chief Lavey, I think you finally out did me on the speech out at the
station five there. I appreciate that. Thanks. Madam Mayor and Council, thank you for
your time today. I know this is just one of hundreds of .meetings that you guys sit
through in the course of a year, but for the department heads, this is probably one of the
most important meetings that we attend during the course of a year, because this
meeting sets our course of direction and our agenda for the next year and the things
that we are able to accomplish and those kind of things. So, I appreciate your time and
diligence in listening to this and I know it's a monumental task to sort through, so -- I
would point out right off the bat, though, that Meridian Fire Department is better than
Rupert fire department. We have quicker response times. We have paramedics on our
fire engines and Rupert had a very large dollar loss in their town square this year and so
our dollars loss per capita is much, much lower.
Bird: You didn't say it early enough. They are out. They --
Anderson: And Iwould -- I would also point out for Councilman Zaremba that a lot of
the things that you're talking about with legal and that kind of stuff, I think the Meridian
Fire Department is at the forefront of that. If you look at the award we just received at
the AIC for our joint powers agreement, we are taking the leadership role in providing
fire services to our rural fire district. We also take a lead role in some of the training
issues throughout the state and our training tower that we built last year is now being
used by a lot of departments throughout this valley and for firefighters that have to meet
some of the requirements for the live fire training and some of those kinds of things. So,
if we can just get past some of those other jurisdictional things with some of the other
cities, I think Meridian could be at the lead there. Do we have a remote for this? So,
just a little bit of background, trying to refresh your memories a little bit about the fire
department. We now have 54 full time firefighters within the department and last year in
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October we added three additional personnel that we felt like we were paying so much
in overtime costs that adding those three additional personnel would pay for itself in the
savings that we were spending in overtime and, then, would give us additional
personnel for shift coverage and for some of those operational things that we needed
the staffing for. And, then, in February we ended up hiring the nine new firefighters that
we ultimately trained up and, then, there was promotions involved and that's how we
staffed station five, which just opened about three weeks ago. So, we now have 18
paramedics within the department. Last year we were sitting at about three part-time,
on-call volunteer firefighters. We have increased that number up to 11 and we plan
another class this winter. So, we are planning on increasing those numbers up even
more, so for folks that live in the community that would like an opportunity to serve their
city in the capacity of a firefighter, we are offering more opportunities there. We have
seven administrative personnel actually on your sheet. It's 6.5, but we actually consider
Christie a full person, so we will call her seven for this slide. And, then, we have our
public education specialist Pam Moore. We now have five fire stations. We have a fire
safety center and we have a training tower and as we go through the budget and you
look at some of those numbers, when you think about that now, that's actually seven
different facilities that we need to pay maintenance costs on and utility costs and repairs
on and all those kind of things. So, the more facilities we have, obviously, the cost is
correlating in the budget. In addition to that, the apparatus fleet that we have, the fire
trucks that we use, we have five front line engines and I'm counting the new engine that
will be delivered here in about two or three weeks in that count of five front line engines,
so each of the five fire stations has a front line engine. That gives us two reserve
engines. We have two brush plugs that are four wheel drive units. We have a water
tender that in the rural applications where we don't have fire hydrants, the water tender,
basically, is -- just carries a whole bunch of water to the fire for you. An air supply squat
that we use for refilling our STBA bottles off of. One utility pickup that was purchased
last year by the rural fire district and, then, we have six staff vehicles. And, again, it's
important when we look at these, because these aren't your typical vehicle when it
comes to maintenance costs. You don't just run down to Minute Lube and get the 39
dollar quick tube when these go in for service. When they are taken in for service it's an
all day service, sometimes two days before we get them back and, typically, just a
routine oil change, filter change, those kind of things, is in the neighborhood of about
500 dollars per trip and if you have any repairs done, it's unusual if you get out of the
shop for less than a thousand or two thousand dollars and when you look at our line
item for vehicle repairs, you. wi10 see that we are asking for considerable increase and
that's because we went through our entire vehicle maintenance line item the first six
months of this budget .year and most of the shops that we get those repairs done at
you're looking at a minimum of about 80 dollars an hour shop time. A few statistics for
you to look at. The fire and EMS responses for the '07 year was a little over 4,000 calls.
Fire prevention and inspections I want you to pay particular note to that, because if you
will remember two years ago we had a fire inspector position. Prior to that we were able
to inspect about 500 businesses a year and we estimate that we have somewhere
between 1,800 and 2,000 businesses in our community a year. So, combined with the
fire inspector, the company -- the fire companies themselves doing the inspections, we
are now hitting close to 1,500 business a year with inspections, but we are still not
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hitting all the businesses. So, we still have a ways to go and as the number of
businesses in our community increases, again, that is a challenge for us and we are
continuing to find a way to get there on that.
Bird: Mr. President? Before you move on, Ron, I have heard -- and I'm sure the other
Council has, too that fire prevention officer that we put on strictly has been the best
thing I think as far as -- one of the best things the fire department's done, next to the
paramedics. But we have had nothing -- I have had nothing but compliments on what it
does and everybody loves it. A couple insurance people I have talked to says, you
know, it's great for them, too.
Anderson: Thank you, Councilman Bird. I appreciate those comments and I know as a
fire chief I feel a lot better knowing that we are getting into these businesses much more
frequently and getting these inspections performed and there has been a number of life
safety issues that have been found and fixed as a result of those. So, we appreciate
your support. Public education classes. We perform all kinds of public education
classes throughout the year from going and talking to Cub Scout groups to going into
the schools and babysitting classes and CPR classes and all kinds of things that we
teach relating to the job that we do and that's just an example there of some of the
things that we are doing. In addition, 143 station tours. Some of those tours are as
small as a mom bringing her couple of kids over to the station, some of them are as
large as 75, 80 people when we have a school bring in two or three bus loads of kids at
one time. Community events. Eighty-nine different community events and there is not
a week that goes by that we don't have four or five community events that we are
sending an engine company to or our public education gal or one of the deputy chiefs or
myself are attending to participate in those and something else that is picking up greatly
is the number of car seat safety inspections. There is a proper way to strap a child's car
seat into a car and, then, there are a whole bunch of improper ways and, believe it or
not, it's actually a four day class to team how to properly strap a -- one of those seats
into a car with the number of different types of automobiles that are manufactured, the
systems that the manufacturers put into those cars for securing those seats and, then,
all the different types of seats that are manufactured. So, we now have -- I think it's 12
or 13 folks that have been through that class within. the fire department and we perform
those on a weekly, daily basis, and most of the hospitals now require that new parents
have some type of a certification that they can show that they have been through and
had their car seat inspected by a certified technician before they will even allow you to
bring your new born home from the hospital. So, of our accomplishments, some of the
things that we are proud about that we have accomplished with the last year's budget is
-- I know this is actually in fiscal year '07, but it, actually, got accomplished -- for us it
was after we did our presentation last year for the budget. It was in September that we
opened that new training tower that you see on the right-hand side there. And, like I
said, this has been a wonderful asset. It is considered state of the art. The fact that we
can perform live fire training in that facility sets us apart and, in fact, the new training
requirements, the national standards that are coming down, actually require -- you used
to be able to go to a class and you could sit through classroom and practice hands-on
and you could watch videos and read books and listen to lectures and they would let
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you be a firefighter. That's no longer the case. They require that you actually go
through some type of live fire training and Meridian is one of the few departments in the
state who has a facility where live fire training can be accomplished. So, when folks
want to certify to firefighter one and two levels now, the state is actually coming to us
saying, hey, can we get -- bring these guys over to your facility and run them through a
live fire training scenario before we certify them and we say, sure, as long as you want
to help us out with some of our operational costs. So, we are trying to figure out exactly
what those -- those fees are going to be with those folks and, then, we will be charging
them a fee to recoup our costs. We opened the fifth fire station as we talked about,
about three weeks ago. It's a little early to tell what kind of an impact that will have. We
will have to wait a couple months to see. I can tell you the station has been extremely
busy since it has opened. July is always the fire department's busiest month of the
year, I think due to the dry conditions and the Fourth of July combined, but the guys out
there have not been lacking for calls and it should have a significant impact on, again,
continuing to lower our response times, especially in that area to the north, the Lochsa
Falls and Paramount and Kelly Creek and all these areas out there. We also hired and
trained the four firefighter EMTs I talked about in October. We actually ended up -- we
had a guy retire about the end of August last year, so we had four, even though we
were only budgeted for three new ones, it was -- one was a replacement. Then, we
hired the nine new firefighter paramedics and, then, we also trained ten new part-time,
on-call personnel. So, we, actually, ended up holding three 14 week recruit academies
and that's not a small task in itself. That's training eight hours a day with those new
recruits and so that consumes a tremendous amount of time for our deputy chief of
operations Bill Johnson, as well as all the on-duty shifts and captains, because they are
all involved in that training. It also involves EMS training with Deputy Chief EMS Mark
Niemeyer, as well as our medical director Dr. Ross and countless others. We also
participated in and graduated the two citizen academies that Chief Lavey talked about,
so I won't elaborate on that. And, then, we did ten new car seat technicians. Our '08
enhancements, I wanted to give you an update. As guys were talking about earlier with
the ball fields and stuff like that, wanted to know the result. I'd like to come back and tell
you what the results are of what the money is that you gave us last year and what we
have done with that. Station five was completed on time and within budget. I can tell
you it was actually in the neighborhood of about 20,000 under budget. So, we were
happy for that to happen. We just have the traffic signal that we have to get completed
still and that's our only other outstanding issue with that one. The new fire engine for
station five is to be delivered the end of this month. We have two firefighters -- two of
our captains are actually going back next week to do the final inspection on it before it's
delivered out here. All the additional stafFng that was hired and trained, so we didn't
just sit on our heels, we went out and got those folks recruited, hired, and trained, which
is no small task. EMS mannequin was purchased and trained. All the personnel -- this
is a -- kind of a unique mannequin. It's not just one that -- kind of like what we use for
fire training, that's just a heavy dummy, basically, that you pick up and carry. This
mannequin has all kinds of features that can give you pulses and respiratory rates and
all those kind of things and it's used specifically in the area of EMS training and in with
our EMTs and our paramedics, this is an invaluable tool for us to use for their training.
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Bird: Before you go, are there -- for the public, for how -- much did you save on that
engine by going to a stock engine?
Anderson: It's difficult to tell exactly, because we never went out for bid, but we bought
a stock engine and so we are estimating that that saved us in the neighborhood of
about 80,000 dollars by using a stock apparatus that is something that just -- they build
for everybody, instead of having it custom built just for us.
Bird: And the difference, as I understand, is about six inches in length in the back riding
area, is that right?
Anderson: Yeah. The cab length is about six inches shorter. You can't get some of the
specialty features. I think the air -- air bottle holders that they put in the fender well, you
can only slide one air bottle into it, instead of two. But very minor differences, so we
hope you guys will be happy with it. I'm sure they will. Last year in the enhancements
we had an MDT, amulti-data computer, basically, a laptop computer that goes in the
deputy chief of EMS's vehicle. It was something that we had overlooked in the '07
budget. So, that was purchased and installed and I think he just has the -- a couple of
features, the GPS and the automatic vehicle locator to get up and running still. New
hydraulic rescue equipment was purchased for Engine 302. That arrived earlier --
actually, it was last month and has been put in service now. So, that standardizes all
the extrication equipment that's used on all five of the fire engines and it gives us one
reserve set, so if one of those breaks down we are not without extrication equipment.
And, then, the medical cabinets to help standardized Engine 301 and 302 as purchased
-- been purchased. They were just delivered about two weeks ago. We still have some
hardware that needs to come in for those and they will be installed within the next
couple weeks. We also ordered eight PC tablet computers and the software. Those
have been received. The software has been loaded. The staff is currently writing some
look up tables that need to be used in the software and, then, those will put into service.
And, then, there is the N-First Five Alive software has been purchased and installed and
that gives us the ability to generate all kinds of reports from our fire house data and I
might point out that the fire department uses a software package called Firehouse and
it's a unique application to fire departments and there are a number of things that we are
able to do with that Firehouse software and that's why it's important that we continue to
use that firehouse software. And I know the city is talking about an Enterprise system,
but there are certain applications that I think that are used in finance in the police
department and the fire department that even if you buy Enterprise software, it's not
going to eliminate the need for the software that we use. When we fill out an incident
report, for example, that information goes into Firehouse. Firehouse is compatible with
the software that our state fire marshal uses. That information is downloaded to his files
and, then, he can report statistics from fire departments all over the state on a statewide
basis and, then, he sends that information on to the National Fire Academy and, then,
they report those statistics nationally. In addition, all of our training records, our hose
records, inventory, our inspections, all that kind of stuff, is done on that software and
even -- it keeps track of even every individual firefighter. For example, I could print out
-- if Councilman Borton was one of our firefighters, I could print out a list of every
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incident that he's ever been on in his life since he's been with Meridian Fire Department
and we can look at all the training records that he's had by topic and hours, all those
kind of things. So, that is a software that we plan on continuing to use and you will see
a request in our budget for Firehouse software support. The mobile command post
trailer, we have set up a committee within the emergency management team with the
city. We have some specs that we have put together. We have identified a source. We
are now sitting down with that manufacturer and their design folks and, actually, doing
the layout of that and we hope to have that purchased by the end of this year and, then,
that will be used at community events, such as the Dairy Days and those kind of things
when we do that unified command post, that can also be used citywide, whether it's fire,
police, public works, whoever, for any large event or emergency that we may have
citywide. And, then, also in our enhancements last year there was money in there for
furniture for the admin for the new City Hall and we have given our list to the purchasing
department and so you guys probably know more about where we are at on the process
than I do. So, I wanted to give you a quick comparison between our 2008 and our 2009
budget and there is a couple of interesting things that when I put those numbers side by
side that it pointed out for me. Our personnel costs, as you can see, were 5.6 million
last year. This year they are 5.9 million and so about a 300,000 dollar increase. And
most of that 300,000 dollars increase is those things like those additional promotions
that we ended up doing with the opening of station five. We had to promote three new
captains, six new drivers, those kind of things that are increases in salaries there.
There is the cost of living and the merit increases. There is the increases in the benefits
and those kind of things that are included in there. And so a very small portion of that,
in the neighborhood of about 28, 30 thousand, is actually for a new position or
increasing that half time position that we have into afull-time position. So, personnel
costs, you can see where that money went. The operating costs -- this was very
interesting to me. We actually are looking at about a 400 dollar decrease from where
we were last year in our operating costs and, then, capital, last year we had about
550,000, that was primarily that new fire engine and the equipment that goes on it and
this year that capital is the 1.4 million that you see there, about a million of that is the
new aerial truck and about 450,000 of that is the reimbursement payment to the rural
district for the 31 percent of the training tower and that's being paid out of impact fees.
So, I know when you look on your summary sheet that you were given in your budget
books, it's showing a 25.5 percent increase. You got to keep in mind that that 6.5
million dollar figure doesn't show our capital from last year, the 555,000 and if you were
to take out capital and all that kind of stuff, it's really only a 4.9 percent increase in
budget and, then, you can see the two major capital items, the fire truck and the
payment to the rural fire district. And so as we move through the '09 enhancements I
just wanted you to have a handle on those numbers and where they come from. So,
these were our five requests for the '09 budget. Aerial truck. A training instructor
position. To increase our part-time department specialist position from part time to full
time. A small remodel project at fire station one and, then, some additional modules
that we would add to our Firehouse software for doing staff scheduling. The aerial
ladder truck. I don't know that I need to spend a lot of time convincing you. I think
you're probably all convinced in the conversations that you have heard over the last
couple of years from me, but just to summarize, that this apparatus is something that
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Meridian is sorely lacking and the reason that that is so important to the fire department
is because our community has grown up and we are not just a bedroom community to
Boise anymore, we are not just made up of residential houses, and all it takes is a little
drive down any one of our arterial streets and you can see the commercial buildings that
are going up. Eagle Road and Franklin is a good example. Stand out on that comer
and look at all the steel that's going up out there. The Survey and Rating Bureau, when
they rate a fire department to determine insurance premiums for businesses and
residents, they look at all the buildings in your community that are over 35 feet in height
and if you don't have an aerial truck located within two and a half miles of where that
building's being built, then, that building counts against you in your rating and so we
have a number of buildings throughout our community now that are -- exceed that 35
feet in height and if you think about just in the last few years, all the motels that have
been built down Eagle Road, for example, there is five hotels that are all three to four
stories in height. Those all exceed that 35 feet, let alone all the other office buildings
that have been approved that are over 35 feet in height. I can tell you that the tallest
brown ladder we cant' on any of those front line pumpers is 24 foot long. That's a long
ways from reaching the top of some of those buildings. We had a rescue situation just a
couple weeks ago when the gentleman fell off of one of the buildings out there on Eagle
Road. If he had fallen and hadn't fallen all the way down, a rescue situation in that
scenario would have been very difficult without an aerial. We probably would have had
to bring an aerial over from Boise to assist with that rescue. You can't carry somebody
with back injuries and walk them down or pack them down a ladder that you had to
throw up against the building. So, it will help to lower Meridian's insurance rating. It will
enhance the fire department's operational capabilities. These aerial trucks are used a
lot for doing ventilation on commercial buildings and the more of these buildings we get,
the more that need increases. The training instructor position -- I'll start off with telling
you that position has been withdrawn from the budget request, but I did want to leave it
in there and talk a little about it, because I want to kind of prep you guys for next year,
that you will probably see that same request come back next year. It was when we sat
down as directors and we tried to work out something where we could present you guys
with a balanced budget, that this was one of the things that we offered up and we have
tried to come up with some contingency. We know that we have deficiencies in our
training within the fire department and a lot of those deficiencies are because we don't
have somebody who that's their sole focus and responsibility. So, we rely a lot on our
.company officers and to -- after we have trained somebody and put them through a
recruit academy, we rely on those company officers to maintain those individual skills
and those skills that they have to maintain have to be repeated -- you know, it's
repetitive type of training. If you're going to stay good at being a baseball player or a
basketball player, you don't just do it one time and stop; it's something you have to do
every day. And so that training needs to go on on a daily basis and what happens when
you have five different fire stations, that's five different different captains. We got three
different shifts. That increases the number to 15. If you don't have somebody
coordinating all that and making sure and going out with them on a daily basis, it -- you
get 15 different training classes, even though you get the -- you might all assign them
the same topic. It doesn't tum out that way. And Councilman Zaremba happened to sit
in on one of our staff meetings where we tried to address that issue. In the short term
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for this year, we are going to rely heavily upon Deputy Chief Johnson to do that
coordinating between those captains and make sure that that training does have some
consistency. But I got to tell you it's difficult given all his other responsibilities. So, for
example, today they are having a curriculum meeting on the firefighter one and
firefighter two standards over at the state. It's a two day meeting and I have asked him
to come back for this presentation, but, you know, when he needs to go attend meetings
like that or he also represents us on a number of committees and things like that, then,
the training suffers also. And so we really need to have afull-time training position, but
we know it's not in the cards for this year, so we will try to get by without that and do the
best we can to compensate for those deficiencies. Full time department specialist
position. We have had one and a half secretarial support positions since I came to the
department three years ago and I can tell you that we have increased our staffing by
over 20 people -- I think in the neighborhood of about 22 people since I got there and
just the workload that increased administratively with adding that fire inspector position
and all those inspections that are being done right there justifies the increase in that
position, but we have all the new staff and all the training records that have to be
entered, the reports that have to be reviewed. We need to increase that position from a
part-time position to a full-time position and so that's what you see in the budget
request. I think it's 28,000 dollars or something in the salaries or something like that.
But it will -- definitely pay -- take benefits for the fire department and our overall
efficiency. Next enhancement request we have is for a model at station one. With the
admin moving out of station one, that we are going to have some areas in station. one
that are not going to be really efficient and we are going to have some space that's
available. Originally when we talked about doing that, we were talking about a project
where we would do a major remodel that would be in the neighborhood of about
300,000 dollars. I know that this is a tight budget year, I know it's a year when you're
not looking at expanding, so what I'm proposing is that we do a very scaled down
remodel and make that area more functional and I'm proposing that we do that with our
own staff. We have a number of firefighters who have skills in carpentry and
mechanical, ventilation work, and all those kind of things and so currently our station
one captain operates out of a hallway in the back part of the living quarters. Well, that
same captain is a person that we rely upon to do counseling and mentorirlg and be a
supervisor to personnel. That's kind of hard for him to do if he has to counsel
somebody in private when all he has is a hallway to do that in. So, what we'd like to do
is take that front reception area and some of the offices that we have now and frame in
some walls, move some walls, we will create a couple of offices, one for that captain, so
that he can do his daily duties. The second office we would like to create and reserve
for this training .officer position that you will probably see again next year in the budget
and, then, the third area is that we would create a second breakout room that can be
used for meetings and additional training. Quite often we have more than one training
session or more than one meeting going on and when that happens, we clear off the
dining room table and we go over there and we are sitting around the dining room table
trying to do those meetings and so it's not a real conducive atmosphere. I'm proposing
that we do that work ourselves. I have asked for 25,000 dollars in the budget to do that.
That work would include repainting, carpeting, all that kind of stuff, to kind of give that
area a spruce up. The station's about -- you know, it will be nine years old at that point,
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so it's needing a little sprucing up in that area, so that's what that request is for. And,
then, the last enhancement request that we had was to purchase an additional module
for that Firehouse software that I was telling you- about and this module will allow us to
manage our overtime and call backs a little bit better, so that when we have a vacancy
and we need to bring somebody in, it's not just a matter of picking up the phone and
calling your buddy, it's -- we have to look at whether that person just came off of a 24
hour shift, we have to look at what training credentials they have, are they adriver -- are
they driver qualified or captain qualified. Are they a paramedic. All these different
things. And so this software will enable us to track that. The software itself is only a
3,500 dollar module, but we have also -- we. are told by IT that it would need its own
server to support that, so that's an 8,000 dollar server in there and that's why the
request is for 13, 14 thousand dollars. Future challenges for us. Obviously, the
increases in population will continue to stretch our resources, they will increase
response times, and they will add additional dollar losses as our community continues
to grow. One of the things that we are constantly faced with is multiple incidents
occumng at the same time. I can tell you I was down at the fire station on the evening
of the Fourth of July and we were spread about as thin as we could get with everything
from medical calls to dumpster fires to grass fires to helping. Star with a wild land fire
with structures threatened up on the front up above Star. Our Firehouse software gives
us the ability to track that and we know that about 30 percent of the time when we have
one incident, we will have multiple incidents. So, it's very rare when there is only one of
Meridian's five fire stations that are out and we are working on an emergency incident.
Thirty percent of the time there is more than one incident going on in Meridian at the
same time. So, that will continue to be a challenge for us and we will have to build
contingencies in. That's part of the reason why we are trying to increase our core group
of part-time on-call folks, as well as the additional stations will help, so that we can deal
with those situations when we have multiple calls. We also have just a changing of
character of our community and there is a picture I was telling you about, I just snapped
that as I going down the road on Eagle Road there and that's not the same --
De Weerd: Were you driving with only one hand?
Anderson: No. No, officer, I wasn't. No hands.
Zaremba: He was using a cell phone on the other side.
Anderson: I don't know. Something about the Mayor sending us out on this mission
about pictures about likes and dislikes and -- I didn't think it would an efficient use of
staff time to take somebody with me. So, here is what's happening. We are getting a
lot more high rise structures -- we haven't even started construction on the, what, 110
foot building that's going to go on that corner yet.
Bird: I think it just went up.
Anderson: Did it go higher?
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Bird:. Higher. It could go a little higher.
Anderson: Both Anna and the Mayor are dead set on increasing densities for the
community, even against -- against my will. I'd like to have those one acre lots.
De Weerd: I want one acre lots.
Anderson: That's what I want.
De Weerd: Okay.
Anderson: But I know to make mass transit work and those kind of things you got to
have the greater densities, so I don't -- in the interest of compromise, I know that that's
going to be a challenge for us in the fire department and how do we deal with setbacks
and the fire protection issues and those kind of things. The transportation system -- I
don't have to tell you guys. You guys probably get the phone calls more than I do. But
it couldn't happen soon enough. And, then, we are going to have other issues, like
mass transit, that are going to become more and more prevalent with the cost of fuel
and we are going to see more car pooling, we are going to see more buses on the road,
all those kind of things. So, instead of one or two car vehicle accidents that has one or
two passengers, we are going to have those vehicle accidents where we are going to be
dealing with ten passengers and a lot more injuries. And so that will continue to tax us.
And, then, as has been touched on already by finance and the police department is
funding for capital replacement. I think we have a pretty good handle with our impact
fees on sources of funding to look for future fire stations and the apparatus that is going
to be needed to go in those. Where I think we are lacking is we need to have a good
Capital Improvement Plan city wide, because when I go back to that second or third
slide that I showed you with our current inventory of fire apparatus and now when you
add the aerial truck to it, we are sitting on about four million dollars worth of resources
there that are going to wear out and some of those engines that are the front line
engines are now in excess of ten or 12 years old and they are going to need to be
replaced and so I started that conversation with Stacy several months ago when we
were working on our base budget about possibly establishing a fee, similar to the fire
truck -- or a fund similar to the fire truck fund where we could allocate money and build
that up, so that it could be used for public safety or whatever we decide there. But we
need to start with I think a good Capital Improvement Plan to know what it is that we
have for assets, what are going to need to be replaced and, then, start putting in the
appropriate amount of money. I mean we are talking about right now a million dollars.
Do we know that a half million dollars is adequate or should that number be a million
and a half at this point. We don't know without a good Capital Improvement Plan that's
laid out there. But I can give you numerous examples. It's not just the fire apparatus, I
mean the air packs that we use, for example, we have 300,000 dollars in air packs. If a
new standard comes out and if we are mandated by OSHA or somebody else to replace
all of our air packs in a year, we need to have a fund available that we come to you folks
and say we need to upgrade these. So, those are some of the challenges that I know
that you guys face and, hopefully, we can come up with a solution for those together.
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And with that I would stand for any questions you guys have on the fire department's
budget request enhancements.
De Weerd: Council, questions?
Bird: I have none.
Rountree: No. Just a comment. The big ticket items are items that we really are either
permitted to or have or have to have. I don't see any way to reduce that increase in
your budget amount for this year.
Anderson: I will tell you that I have put in I guess kind of like finance was talking about
when you don't really know what you'll end up having to get, but I will tell you that we
will do everything within our power that once the budget is approved, occasionally you
can find a buy on what they call a demo aerial truck and they may have built one that is
out there that they are taking around to shows that we may be able to find and that
could save us a hundred, hundred and fifty thousand dollars. So, we will look at that
option, if that's available. That will just be money that can go back into the fund reserve
at the end or could be put into this fund or whatever. So, what l have given you in the
budget is kind of the worst case scenario of what that would cost us, so --
Rountree: Better than the other way.
Anderson: Yeah.
De Weerd: Oh, yeah. You already see how they eat you up on that.
Anderson: Yeah. I don't want to go the other way. Yes, Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: I was just going to comment that in addition to this, our partnership with the
rural fire district benefits the city greatly as well. I mean they are covering some capital
budget items that we would have to otherwise and that's very much appreciated.
Anderson: Oh, yeah. They spend -- they usually spend about a million dollars a year.
Last year they spent about 1.9 million in assisting the fire department. So, they have
been a great asset. Thank you.
De Weerd: Thanks. Okay. Five minute break.
(Recess.)
1:10 pm Mayor's Office
De Weerd: Okay. We are going to go ahead and go back on the record. Our next
presentation is Robert with the Mayor's office.
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Simmons: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, first of all, let me just say I just had
my one year anniversary with the city about four or five days ago. It's been a whirlwind.
got a nice letter with the Mayor's initial with her signature.
De Weerd: And a smiley face.
Simmons: And a smiley face. For that one year. But it has been a whirlwind and just
want to say it's been a pleasure to stay here over at the City Council meetings and
watch and team and, hopefully, be able to provide more value to the job I'm asked to do
here at the city. For the Mayor's office, we sat down after we did our reorganization with
all the members of our team, including the Mayor, and really sat down to look at what
our goals and objectives were for the office about what we wanted to try to accomplish.
As a group we came up with the following: We want to be the customer service leaders
here for the city. One of the things that we are doing as part of that is creating ahow-
are-we-doing card that will help track not just us, that we will be the first people and the
clerk's office to implement this card, but to really see how the city -- the city employees
interact with the citizens and try to help identify some of those trends. We also want to
engage the community and proactively to tell the story. That's -- part of that that came
out of that was in setting the town hall meeting, which was recently held, doing those on
a quarterly basis. As well as continuing other events that we do, such as Coffee with
the Mayor. Another aspect of this was largely placed into the community liaison
position, is establishing relationships with other districts in the city, such as the school
district, for example. I know that he started attending those -- their school board
meetings on a regular basis, as well as we want to extend that into other districts,
including the library district. We are partner with them on a couple of different
programs. Also we want to connect the community with access communication tools.
That included the city news that we have -- that comes out of the Mayor's office, doing
that in a timely fashion, as well as, you know, having a calendar of events, which are up
to date, not just for, you know, city events, but community events, as well as our faith
community. And that's been something that's been ongoing over the last few months.
In our office we have -- you know, I would argue probably the most contact with any
other groups in the city and they are varied in all different sorts. This past year our
office was involved in 46 ribbon cuttings and 29 visits to local businesses. We received
over 2,800 phone calls that were routed to us through the switch board. That's not
through, you know, of people that have our direct numbers, or extensions, for phone
calls we did or even cell phone phone calls, which seem to have been increasing quite a
bit of late and -- but from those phone calls we also -- e-mails, the number right here is
just for the Mayor, but she had over 1,100 meetings this last year, including 29 special
events and approximately 1,900 letters were generated from our office for various
purposes. So, we are talking to a lot of people in many different ways, whether it's over
the phone, through e-mails, through letters, or in person, we are connecting with the
community. When you connect with the community that means you typically have an
opportunity to resolve their concerns and that is a major time commitment on behalf of
our office, not just because they come to us, but because we want to provide the best
customer service possible to get their answers. We may not be the ones who are
ultimately able to help them, but it's through our office that they typically come to get the
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assistance they need. At any given time we typically have one what we will call a
significant issue, which is being addressed in our office, sometimes more. You see
some of the examples of what those might entail up on the screen, but these are really
the issues that more than likely the community liaison is going to be involved with. They
tend to involve a larger time commitment that involves more meeting with individuals
and groups to try to help get resolution to an issue. You know, some of the things -- you
know, I think some of you are familiar with some of the issues that was with McDonald's
earlier this year. Those are the type things that we are really talking about. The
community issues. In addition, we get two or three roughly, what we call -- not
insignificant, but they do require some significant staff time, you know, in our behalf or
on another department's behalf within the city, whether it's a code enforcement issue or
the one this week that I just received was we have a woman who has got an issue with
her mail not being delivered and we are trying to help get that resolved with the post
office, because of an error in the addressing system. So, these are the type of things
which just take time to figure out who is responsible to help get it resolved, so one of our
citizens can get their mail delivered, even though that's not a primary city function, but
they come to us for the help and that's what we do. Then, we also just receive the daily
inquiries with people that might just have simple questions about what -- why has the
city done something or why is the city not doing something. A good example of this
recently has been our transition home. We have gotten a fair amount of inquiries about
are they legal, if they are what can we do about it if they are not -- you know, what's the
reason behind it and it's just answering those type of concerns, which, again, just take
some time to respond in letter or another fashion, but does involve time to do that. In
addition to our addressing citizen concerns, one of our big things in our office is building
partners. These are the partners --and this is just some of them that we have dealt with
within the last year in various parts -- through our programs, events, and projects.
These are groups that have given financial contributions to the city to put on some of
these events or they have given their time to the city to help make an event possible.
But these are our partners and these are the people that are making sure that the work
that we do through our office and through other city partners are supported, run well,
and have a good end result. When you really start putting it down, it's a nice list of good
people. Some of our accomplishments during this past year that -- when we sat down
and looked at it as a team and working with our community, regional, and sometimes
state partners, we have had a number of successes. In our youth we were successful
in two separate fund raisers and awareness events, which altogether raised nearly
10,000 for Habitat for Humanity and the Idaho Meth Project. We nearly doubled our
participation in the Mayor and CEO's Book Club with each week having over 40 kids in
attendance and that's even -- well, often there was more than that if you include the
other little ones that come who may not have received a book for that week. Working
with Treasure Valley partnership, we were able, with Council's guidance and assistance,
to get a covered load ordinance in place. Also worked a lot with the city attorney's office
to make that a reality. The State of the City address and the Taste of Meridian were
very well attended and successful this year, not just in the black, but a lot more
attendees, over a hundred more tickets were distributed to the community for that event.
We were successful in working with the Association of Idaho Cities and ACHD to have
impact fee legislation enacted, which was a significant savings to the new City Hall
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project. The Ten Mile overpass remains on schedule and we like to say that a large
part of the work that we did out of our office in mobilizing citizens both show up at the
ITD board meeting and get comments into COMPASS and ITD and to the area
legislators helped in that process. In addition, our community liaison has let us expand
outreach into the community with the -- maybe I didn't have this on the slide, but with
the work with the town hall meetings, that's a start, but that's been something that's
been very nice. Just the work on the new City Hall has taken a lot of staff time from our
office, you know, being the contact in our office through LCA with the community liaison,
has taken a significant amount of time, especially as we keep getting more and more
into the internal design issues on the building. We worked to implement a new logo,
including a manual to go with that logo that allows if you -- someone wants to use a logo
we say here you go, you can use it, here is the way it needs to be used, so there are
standards of consistency. We put a hot news section on the website, so when someone
comes to the front page they can see the most -- things of the day. that might be of
greatest interest and we have also been able to get video clips of our community on the
website, working through a company called CGI that has some nice community videos
showing Meridian, some of our downtown businesses and other parts and that was a
free service that was provided to us and we worked with them and I think that it adds a
nice touch to the website. In addition, we also worked with the help desk at this creation
to try to get the casework for really tracking the citizens and will recall the large citizen
issues, whether it was a letter, whether it was an issue that had to be resolved by code
enforcement, but we use that case management tool that was developed for by IT for
our office to help keep track of some these issues, so we don't have things that get, you
know, left behind on a customer service issue. And with that I'm going to turn it over to
Shelly Houston, and, then, Will will follow her up.
Houston: Thank you, Robert. Hello, Mayor, hello, Council, how are you? I'm Shelly
Houston. I have been community communication coordinator in the past and just
recently a transition into more of an event coordination type position. So, I have been
enjoying that immensely and one of my new responsibilities has been relating to
administrative support for Meridian's Promise. Ten years ago the remaining living
presidents, along with Mrs. Reagan, gathered in Philadelphia for America's summit on
the future and as a group they determined that all children in America needed five
essential promises to be fulfilled by others in order to assure them a confident,
successful future. Those promises were caring adults, safe places, a healthy start,
marketable skills and opportunity to serve. So, our Mayor, fortunately, back in 2004/5
had the foresight to understand that Meridian could greatly participate in this alliance
and initiative as well and have the foresight to have us establish as a community of
promise. And so now exists Meridian's Promise and now in 2008 Meridian's Promise is
growing and healthy. We have approximately 40 promise partners who are individual
and group members here in the community that have promised to do what they can
directly or indirectly to fulfill one or more of the five promises to youth and we have
everything from churches, schools, corporate partners, centers, individuals, every type
of entity you can think of has joined us as Promise partners and we are still doing more
to recruit. You might ask why is it important that we call attention to youth and their
needs. Research has shown that youth that receive four or five of the five promises
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attain higher academic achievement, are 40 percent times more likely to volunteer in
their community. Are more likely to refrain from using violence and just have greater
overall social competence. By that I mean being respectful, empathetic, able to solve
conflicts calmly. And it's also very important for business. I don't know if you realize,
but now-a-days 1.2 million youth drop out of school each year and high school dropouts
earn a million dollars less over their lifetime than graduates do once they enter the
workforce, if they enter the workforce. In addition, dropouts are eight times more likely
to be incarcerated, to live in poverty, to be in poor health or require public assistance.
So, it's really to our advantage to do what we can to fulfill the five promises to youth to
improve a child's likelihood of graduating, attending secondary -- or advanced education
and having the core values that they will need to grow up and be successful, to live
fulfilling lives. And so we feel good about what we are doing. We have five events that
we support slash participate in each year. The community health and safety fair is a
temfic one. That's held each. -- each spring at the elementary school over here.
Meridian Elementary. And we had about 250 students attend this year. There were
informational displays promoting good nutrition, fitness, health, exercise, and other
things like that. In addition, the Elk's brought their mobile hearing and vision and dental
screening truck. So, that even though it was the coldest day of -the year, by my
recollection, except for the topping out ceremony, which was even colder, it was a great
event. Another event that we support is the Youth Job Fair. That offers marketable
skills. We get with Idaho Department of Labor and in March we go out to Centennial
High School and there is literally a job fair with 30 employers that tend to use very
young employees, whether it's fast food or groceries looking for bag people or Wild
Waters looking for the ride operators. What was incredible that this year there is a 15
percent increase in attendance. Seven hundred sixty-five kids attended. Two hundred
sixty actually were dressed up and had their resumes and interviewed for work that day
and 110 got jobs on the spot. Those are 111 dirty thugs off our streets. Aren't we
relieved. Anyhow, those are nice kids and it's really hard, because now-a-days jobs are
intended for the very young, sometimes they are going to folks like us who have to
supplement our incomes or haven't been able to maintain their usual jobs and their --
customary profession. So, anyway, we should really feel good about that. The Old
Town community clean-up happened on June 15th or 1-4th, I believe, and, again, 50 or
more community volunteers came together and they tackled a four or five block area
behind the new City Hall and it was not pretty. It was not pretty. They collected over
9,000 pounds of scrap metal, 120 yards of yard waste and miscellaneous debris. A lot
of that will be recycled or be chipped into mulch or something, but -- and what was
recycled was turned into cash, which was turned over to the Boys and Girls Club and
this year it was over 700 dollars. So, that's always a fantastic project. Meridian's
Promise also supports Youth Fest, which is an anti-drug celebration, spearheaded by
Drug Free Idaho. The last several years it's been in September at Boondocks Fun
Center. This year there is a little transition, since Boondocks and Roaring Springs
joined up. So, I'm not sure if that's going to happen this fall necessarily. But last year it
attracted 2,700 students, ages five to 17 were admitted for free and they got to visit 25
or more vendor booths where they had to answer health and safety and anti-drug-type
questions before they were able to go and take part in the fun and games. And the one
that's coming up soon here in October 18th, again, we will be coming up on the second
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annual Meridian Classic Kids Fun Run. This is literally a fun run and walk for kids ages
like five to 17 and it's with the Y and they raised from -- the parking lot at Treasure
Valley Worship Center over on Meridian Road, along the canal bank pathway -- is that
the Bud Porter pathway? Yeah. Bud Porter Pathway. And they end up in Tully Park
where there is a, you know, healthy snack and popsicles and every child receives a
medal and a T-shirt and someone there to give them a high five. So, that had maybe
between 80 and a hundred participants last year and this year we think it will even be
better. So, those are some of the projects we support with both funds and participation
and volunteerism. We also in the fall at the Meridian chamber luncheon, we have a
Meridian business supporting youth award where a number of individuals and groups
are recognized for their service to children and so that will be coming up I think on
November 18th. Terry at the chamber reserved the date for us, so we planned a
ceremony for that, so that we can do nominations and thinking who has really gone out
of their way to help support children in our community. Meridian's Promise is improving
some of its printed information and marketing materials and we are going to make a
nice handy dandy little Navy blue folder with the little red wagon sticker on the front of it,
so that literally there is a nice little presentation that we can leave with different
businesses as we try to recnait them as Promise. partners. Maybe last year you
remember seeing the banners that were hung from the downtown light poles, each
depicted a different promise to youth and so those -- those didn't take the weather so
well, so I think they are being retooled a little with a nicer material, so I think those will
make a come back. And, then, we are pleased that even though it's the summer
season, we are just now starting with new -- new officers and our co-chairs -- Mark
Bennett is a local realtor and, then, he's also the current president of -- or incoming
president of Meridian Kiwanis, which would be kind of a good partnership there and,
then, automatically the new chairman of the youth council becomes the Meridian
Promise co-chair and that's a nice young lady from Centennial High School named
Nichole Foster. So, between Nichole and Mark and the Shelster, I think we have a
pretty good leadership team and we meet monthly and have good attendance, so we
are feeling very good about Meridian's Promise. Organizations or individuals that have
joined are thanked for pulling their weight by receiving a plague and, then, a little red
wagon -- I know you have seen the little red -- the Red Flyer wagon. So, we will still
continue to present those to our new partners and, hopefully, they will chose to renew
their membership year after year.
Bird: How much do they cost?
Houston: How much do they cost? More than you have.
Bird: I knew that.
De Weerd: Fifty dollars.
Bird: How much?
De Weerd: The promise partners are 50 dollars.
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Bird: That's what I thought. I didn't know if it was --
Houston: Memberships are 50 dollars. And we were fortunate to receive some other
donations. The bank when they opened their Silverstone office, wanted to gift a few
local charities and we received I think a 500 dollar check. So, occasionally, we are able
to do some nice things like this and still be frugal.
De Weerd: Frugal is good.
Houston: Okay. So, anyhow that's Meridian's Promise. It's going very well. Next I
want to talk to you quickly about the Mayor's Anti-drug Coalition and -- oh, I forgot to
bring the -- these people are awesome. This group won the Idaho Brightest Start Award
this year and that is no small potatoes for a community award. They were up against
the competition of the caliber -- the entire Idaho military was honored, as was the
people -- yes. Thank you, Keith. There is the red wagon. We all know the red wagon.
Here is the Brightest Star award. Another nominee of this caliber of what we want were
the folks that fought that Castle Rock fire and helped save Sun Valley and Ketchum and
Warm Springs going up in flames. When Bald Mountain caught fire -- I mean so we are
not talking small potatoes. They had some great competition and some of the projects
to help them earn that distinction -- one was Project Seventh Grade, the program in
which home drug test kits are distributed at back to school night for parents, along with
the anti-drug education. Parents are taught how the presence of these home drug test
kits in their home, whether the parents intend to use them or not can serve as a real
deterrent for youngster who might be tempted to fiddle with drugs. I think about 600
drug tests were handed out this year and even more the previous year. There was also
the anti-drug theater performance put together by New Heritage Theater Company. We
were able to present that at a couple of high schools, as well as a couple night time
performances. I think in all maybe this year probably between 900 and 1,000 people
were able to participate in this interactive theater. It covered the issues of meth,
marijuana abuse, pharm parties, binge drinking and what is called DSM, it's the abuse
of cough syrup for adrug-like -- what do you call it? After-effects. Anyhow. So, people
were educated that way. Also, the anti-drug coalition partnered with the police
department to give breathalyzer tests to bar patrons on some busy weekend evenings.
I think set out possibly in Generations Plaza, as they had done before, and so they were
able to deter some otherwise intoxicated people from using their motor vehicles.
De Weerd: They were already intoxicated.
Houston: Oh, yes. Thank you. What she said. Okay. Like we talked about -- we
talked about the Idaho Brightest Start Award, which was an incredible achievement and
they were honored at the Egyptian Theater by Governor and Mrs. Otter and a full house
for that. Very proud day for them. In all we are thinking our programs touched 1,600.
That's probably a very conservative number, but that's what we came up with. And we
are very excited for the future, because we remain strong with our existing programs,
plus Leadership Meridian's graduating class as a -- I think they team up with the Boise
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Leadership Meridian -- oh, just Leadership Meridian. Scratch that. They decide on a
community project they'd like to contribute to and so they fund raised and did what had
to be done to have alarge -- Diterally a trailer -- think of a horse trailer, utility trailer of
some sort, that will be decorated in anti-drug motif that will be able to go from event to
event, school to school with anti-drug education information and so that's great like at
health fairs and other community events. So, that's -- I heard it's in process of getting --
getting all dutied up, so that's almost ready to hit the road for the new school year.
When it's done it's going to look good. I heard it's very snazzy. It's great. So, those are
some of the things the anti-drug coalition -- I personally have to say that group is one of
the most enthusiastic, well attended, well rounded commissions or boards or
committees we have. Very impressive. And thanks also the Brenda Murdock and
Melissa Delaney over at the police department and Chief Lavey and Overton --
Lieutenant Overton for the support they give -- give them, so -- Communication we are
going to talk a little bit about really quickly. We still continue to do the City News
newsletter quarterly. It's an online publication, so we don't have to chop down many
trees, but we are still expanding that and growing the list of people we send it to and
other organizations that share it with others. I think we will be going with a more
consistent color scheme with our new -- now that we have our new blue and gold color
scheme, so that might be one slight change, but the content will still remain similar.
Annual reports. We have been putting out a piece around the time of the State of the
City address, so we will see what format it takes this year. Community presentation.
Those could range from anything from presentations we make to civic clubs. It could be
tours of the City Hall. Career Day. We often get invited to Career Day to tell what it's
like to work in city government. So, lots of presentations. We work hard to maintain the
intemet web content and the especially the hot list on the front page. We think we are
doing a better job of changing it daily to try to keep it snappy and up to date.
Maintaining the community calendar. Again, almost a daily endeavor. And we are
finally training more and more Meridian groups to let us know of their events, so we can
help them publicize. News releases go out on a regular basis, both on hard news and
event announcements, as well as if we have personnel announcements or something to
make. So, we are working on ®ur media relations. Local magazines, as you will recall.
This year we have seen the advent of Meridian in the Middle magazine, there is
Meridian Magazine, Treasure Valley Journal is hanging in there. We have got Valley
Times. They do look to us quite heavily to suggest story ideas, submit photographs,
because they can't be in all places at once. So, we really make a concerted effort to
point out what we think is newsworthy in our community. Let's talk traffic. We make a
point to attend our different traffic and transportation related events and are capable of
putting up our lift top traffic display. And there are traffic and transportation articles in
every issue of City-News and a special section on the internet website. With that there
is a transportation database. We have been gathering a-mail addresses of people that
have expressed an interest of being kept abreast of communication -- of transportation
and traffic related type communications, public meetings, and that sort of thing. So, we
continue to grow that database. And, then, a speakers bureau. We do have a brochure
that's inviting homeowners groups, clubs, schools, churches, anyone who might like to
have a guest speaker come and speak to their group from our city, we have suggested
some topics and said, gosh, what would you like to team about, let us know. And so if
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anyone were to approach us for that, we are in a good position to provide speakers to
them. So, that's what we are looking at on the communication front. And, then, again,
just like Robert kind of, you know, reiterated, really successful events, we are really
proud of how the State of the City addresses have been coming off the last couple of
years and we have even got some ideas for this coming session. The town hall
meetings format and concept, we brainstormed a few things we might keep with that,
but we plan to grow that. Coffee with the Mayor, I think our last one was at Meadow
Lake Village and they were just delightful. It was a beautiful setting. And so we are
going to be experimenting with some other locations like that that have some built in
Audiences. Faith Leaders Luncheon will be coming up in the fall. We just need to find
our location. Our little float -- again, using the term loosely -- in the parade, I thought
that was nice we were able to do that. You folks are usually out of town during Dairy
Days with the AIC conference, so it was a treat to have you here and to be able to do a
conveyance with which to convey you down the street. The Topping Out ceremony.
Again, the coldest day of the year, but I thought very nice and I think it's good to know
that your signed beam is up at the top of our building. That's fun. Mayor arld CEO's
Book Club is going like a house on fire. It has -- shows no signs of slowing down and
we just got our book list for the coming year and even us grown-ups were all very
excited. So, Sherry Ewing has worked very hard on that and so -- and so has Robert.
So, that's been exciting or that's flourishing. And we even did a ribbon cutting event for
an intersection, which proved we can throw a party at the drop of a hat. So, we don't
need much of an excuse. That's it for the few things I was going to talk about. I'm
going to tum it over to Will Berg, your community liaison, and he has a few things he's
going to touch 'on. Thank you for your attention.
Berg: Thank you, Mayor and Council. It's -- I don't know if it's an honor or a pleasure to
be in front of you, because I haven't got a budget to present, but I will have my three
slides. Stacy said that I would have a bonus if I went through really fast. So, the three
slides, do you have any questions, let me know. I'll go over it briefly really fast, so that
we don't get too far behind, because I know how grouchy Stacy gets, so -- the new
position that you created, community liaison, I have a few things that I do throughout the
day, week, month and there a few of them and I'll just kind of go over them. Basically,
I'm responsible and accountable for some of these items. The Idaho state legislature.
Meridian Senior Center, which is the senior center advisory board. I attend the senior
citizen board meetings. I work on the Idaho committee development block grant that
they have right now, which is not mixed up with the city grants to deal with the state. I
attend the school board meetings for the Joint School District No. 2 and deal with issues
and joint partnerships, some of the community affairs with them. I attend and
participate in the Meridian Downtown Business Association. The Meridian Chamber of
Commerce, with the ribbon cuttings. Government Affairs Committee. Economic
Development Committee. Ada County Highway District. With the Neighborhood
Advisory Committee and community projects and a few other things as you noticed
Monday that kind of get thrown in and directed for me to participate in. We are
developing and creating relationships with the homeowners associations, the
neighborhood associations, hopefully, to try to get more involved with that before
problems arise that we become involved with, rather than the other side. Being
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proactive in getting some issues out to their neighborhoods, which the town hall
meetings was one of those things to try and get some of the issues out to them before
they became a problem. 0'm involved with the Meridian Historic Preservation
Commission as a staff representative. The Meridian Development Corporation. The
Mayor's Faith Ambassador's Council. The Mayor's Youth Advisory Council.
Association of Idaho Cities. And Lake View Golf Course. I get to create the relationship
with them. We have developed the town hall meetings, which will be an ongoing event.
This is an outreach into the community trying to bring the city out to the people, so they
would become more involved with the city government. Conflict resolutions. A few
things from the neighborhood parking issues. The downtown parking issues. Street,
sidewalk projects. Thank you, Councilman Bird, for helping us out with that. Some
ordinance issues and citizen inquiries. Am I going through this pretty fast? And, then,
the other thing I'm involved with is the building of the new City Hall, with the liaison
between LCA Architects, the LEED certification, topping out ceremony, and maybe,
hopefully, getting to that ribbon cutting ceremony in October. The next slide we have --
I'm going through here pretty fast so I can -- I got to -- next slide is the Mayor's Youth
Advisory Council, which is gained as a representative from the Mayor's staff and their
council. We bring together some of the youth of the community into a council that
advises the Mayor on issues and has some pretty healthy goals that they want to attend
throughout the school year. We have approximately 1,500 volunteer hours. They have
raised funds and awareness through events. We have the dinner and auction that
benefit the Idaho Meth Project and the Boise Valley Habitat for Humanity. They
received over 3,500 hundred dollars each for that dinner auction and we thank you for
your participation. We provide input on the city commission and committees, Meridian
Arts Commission, Parks and Recreation Commission, Solid Waste Advisory Committee
and the Traffic Safety Commission. And, like I said, I will have any questions that you
want for that, but we are gearing up for that, preparing for new members with the start of
the new school year and we will be getting together with elected officers and creating
our agenda for this upcoming year. Next. Mayor's Faith Ambassador's Council. This is
a council of the faith community. It brings together the faith communities to discuss
common goals and ideas from other faith organizations. We have collaborated on joint
events from different churches to make it more of a community, rather than just a sole
church event. And I think that's kind of been our primary goal is just to communicate,
you know, with what those events are, because there is a lot of times we don't know
what the car wash is or what special speaker or what kind of event they have. It's on
me. Collaboration was a volunteer thing that they are -- the youth of a church is willing
to do some work, such as cleaning up a yard or mowing a yard or doing some other
things and it's on them. No cost, no -- no burden to the property owners. So, that's kind
of -- should I say recognizing program that many of us didn't know about or many of the
other churches didn't know about. We collaborate ideas and events with each other.
We try to support each other on their projects and partnership with some of these
events. We also are creating a faith community calendar so that we are trying to get
some of those events in a section in our -- on our website that they can look -- and other
churches can look through that calendar to see what the upcoming events are. They
network with other organizations and really trying to make more community out reach.
The idea is to bring a youth member, as well as an adult member to these advisory or
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Faith Ambassador Council meetings, so that we have both perspectives of the youth
and an adult. So, with that -- and there is several things that we have done -- you can
see the slide. But with that if you have any questions concerning any of those, if I can't
answer them, I'm sure somebody from our department can.
De Weerd: Thank you.
Simmons: We will try to speed up, so Stacy doesn't throw darts. So, what does this
mean? I mean what's the point? Well, it means that we are servicing the community by
addressing their issues and dedicating our staff time to answer their questions, attend
their events, listen to their proposals and mediate their issues that they have. It means
that through the events that we put together we are engaging like 2,000 people to tell
the city's story and to hear their story about these issues and how they affect them. We
are communicating the actions and activities to the citizens using whatever mediums
are available at our disposal, with an established list of over 1,000 people that receive
the City News on a quarterly basis. We have volunteers from each of our programs to
dedicate time to insure the program and has the greatest impact, but, more importantly,
provide a service to the city and the community and are partners and citizens engaged
on issues that are critical to the success of the city. They have specifically been helpful
on transportation issues, such as the Ten Mile interchange. It also means that our
partners and volunteers give to help insure success financially. The State of the City is
a good example. This is a community event that has been in the black to my knowledge
the last two years and this past year we have a 55 -- 58 hundred dollars in excess
revenue, which helped support this -- the revenue for these scholarships for the city. In
addition, so far this year Meridian's Promise has received over 4,000 dollars in
donations, which helped support the five primary events and a majority of their
expenses. And that includes the Zion's check at this point in time. Excuse me. The
work that MYAC has done is they have raised money to support projects for Habitat for
Humanity and the Idaho Meth Project through individual events and as was already
mentioned, over 3,500 dollars was given -- raised at that event to each of those entities.
The No Place Like No Place event held this last September while, again, in last year's
budget year, was -- since this last time they raised over 21,000 dollars for Habitat, with
a two year total of 145,000 dollars for the Habitat for Humanity that Meridian bills
through donations that they were able to help secure. Just some basic line item
adjustments that have taken place in our budget that you can take a look at. I know it
wasn't from us, necessarily, but gas, obviously, is in a small increase we did during the
realignment we did transfer over the car that was in the clerk's office to our office and
that has adjusted our overall fuel and maintenance items that were in the Mayor's office.
Telecommunications needs. This is one that does continue to grow again with the
realignment, bring it over. We had additional Blackbeny and cell phone expenses with
the realignment that came over into our department. As far as the State of the City
spending authority, last year it was 10,000 dollars. Our actual expenses are probably
closer to 12,000, so we have asked for an increase of 2,000 dollars in that item, but
that's offset by funds that are raised for that event. What we have also done is in the
MYAC travel item there was a confusion with finance at one point in time over how that
was being funded there. There was some concern that we were trying to double
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account the money for the State of the City funds to the scholarship and potentially to
their travel, so we wanted to make sure that that was not clear, that this -- so, what we
did was we reduced the travel budget thaf they had by 3,500 dollars down to a base of
1,800 dollars and, then, we were asking for an enhancement to you, that we will get to
in a second, to bring it back up to 3,500 dollars. So, you know, that's just a way to try to
make accounting happy and everybody else happy to show that this is actually money
that's in the base budget, not contingent upon any other funds coming in from another
location. That's the end result that we are trying to accomplish through that process.
But in the end it is a -- even if the enhancement is approved, it would be a 2,000 dollar
overall reduction in that. In addition, obviously, the big thing was the transfer of funds
related to the community liaison position from the city clerk budget, such as personnel
expenses, car, cell phone, employee incentives, all those items. So, this year, these
are the enhancements that we are requesting from the Mayor's office. We have
withdrawn the 1,000 Rocky Mountain High School scholarship. Part of that is based
upon discussions that have been going on in regard to a separate committee that's
been looking at the scholarship issue and one of the things they have discussed is not
having them be contingent upon any physical entity, meaning there won't be one for
each high school, so we thought we would just try to leave that at four, rather than
increasing it to five for the future needs of -- it's based upon individual school, which is
one way just to leave it as is without needing additional funds for that. As I just
explained, on the MYAC travel budget, we did decrease it. It was 5,500 dollars in FY-
08. Working with finance we decreased it down to 1,800 dollars in the base budget.
That's what should be in there. And we are asking for an enhancement of 1,700 dollars
to that account to bring it back up to 3,500 dollars, which is a net decrease of 2,000
dollars in that specific line item, but, as I said, to try to make finance and the accounting
process know that this is the intention that's in the base budget. This is the process that
we use to do that. Additionally, we are asking for a laptop computer for the Mayor, a
smaller one that is more mobile, as she's spending more time out of the office, we are
requesting one that she will be able to take with her -- not just while she travels out of
town, but when she travels to meetings at COMPASS or other locations, which would
get her out of the office for a couple of hours. A smaller more mobile computer will
allow her to have access to our network using the VPN from these meetings and give
her access to information that might be more pertinent at those meetings that she can
pull up immediately. It's really being able to get into our system and get the information
that's been prepared, either for her or that she has received, whether it's a letter or other
information to be more timely, as well as to take notes of when she's at that, which will
alleviate staff time that sometimes is spent typing up notes from the meeting and getting
them out to either yourselves or the directors or other people in the office. And, finally,
we are requesting the increase in our professional services account of 12,000 dollars.
This is to allow for a contract, potentially, of up to 1,000 dollars a month for professional
multi-media services. As we are the central point of contact for services not related to
emergency services, but all the inquiries that come into our office or are directed to our
office, when they do come in does create a fair amount of work and while we are able to
respond to those and -- with the resources that we have in our office between myself,
between Shelly, between the Mayor, it doesn't allow us to really do any of the proactive
work that we all talk about doing with the city in trying to tell the city's story. This is
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really to have someone who is out there, you know, advocating on the city's behalf to
help with, you know, telling the city's story in the manner in which we want it to be told.
And (will -- just to give you an example, I did receive just the other day a list of regional
publications that we should really be targeting going out and trying to get Meridian's
story into these magazines and it may not be about the city itself, you know, about
Meridian, this is a great place, but it could be about one of our local businesses or one
of our local employers, about some of the things they want to do. Art is really a big one
in these regional magazines and so with the work that we are doing with the Meridian
Arts Commission and the new City Hall and other places, there is some real opportunity
to try to get out there and tell people what we are doing. As an office it's really difficult
for us to try to dedicate any staff time to be doing those type of works and tf~is contract
would allow us to do that. It would also allow us to have additional professional services
help, which we don't have the expertise in our office. So, that's the intention for that
professional services contract, which would potentially alleviate the need to go -- for the
city to go and seek outside help in a crunch -- in a -- when you need it, it's not always
there necessarily. Someone may not be able to take up your cause if you need
assistance. This would help make these people available for that need without being
charged a premium. That's it. And, lastly, just on the city clerk alignment, overall we
went from 11 FTEs to ten and a half FTEs, including the Mayor. We reallocated the
dollars for the community liaison position and the employees' duties were streamlined in
both offices. The base budget that you have between the two offices, it left a combined
increase of one percent in the base budget that you have before. And with that I will
stand for any questions before turning it over to Phil on economic excellence or wait
until later if you prefer.
De Weerd: Yeah. Let's just get Phil up for his abbreviated report. I didn't say that
before the other department reports.
Stiffler: Madam Mayor and Council, very glad to be here today and, actually, glad to
listen to a lot of the other presentations, too, for a variety of reasons and the first thing
that I must say is that when we talk about Meridian we continue to tell the story -- I 'get
that opportunity to tell that story -- is the one thing that I keep wanting to say to the
economic excellence team of Meridian is sitting in this room, includes Council, staff, and
all the directors and people here, because the reason we have a story to tell and proud
to be the person that gets a chance to go do that, is the fact that we are continuing to do
what's needed, to continue to make Meridian what it really is today and what it will be in
the future. As all the Council is well aware of, just a little over a month ago tactually --
close to a month ago, I actually gave a detailed update on the strategic plan, including
the strategic focus areas for economic development, including the strategies, the
objectives, and also the metrics that we put in place. So, I'm not going to repeat those
today, but I would want to emphasize one element of that, that we discussed at that
time and with the Council basically goes back to a little over a year ago and that has to
do with Meridian's ongoing economic excellence will grow and prosper through and we
identified those five areas of diversified and targeted business industry growth, the
value added jobs in Meridian, the infrastructure planning, strategic resource planning,
and the necessary execution to make that continue. The continuing commitment to the
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quality of life, which relates to part of what we actually have to sell. The expansion of
an educated workforce and lastly -- and we heard today from Chief Lavey and from Ron
-- is the fact the commitment to the public safety and the welfare of the citizens. Those
all are part of economic excellence. And I would say that every day is kind of nice -- I
get a compliment about the staff and sometimes maybe I'm the guy that used to talk
about making sure you tell people all the good things and a lot of the people in this room
have heard that, sometimes I don't do it enough, but it's kind of nice to go to a meeting
and when you talk to somebody and they are complimenting something that Bruce
Freckleton did or from Anna's staff or from somebody in the city and that's a reflection
upon the Council and everybody here. So, I -- what I have done here is this is an
update of some items that I would like to share that are more than what we talked about
a month ago when I kind of gave all the metrics and the executive summary in the
context of being a little bit brief. What I would like to do is reiterate a little bit about what
we are really seeing and one of those comments I would say is I'm very pleasantly able
to say that there is more businesses moving out of Boise, coming to Meridian than there
are businesses moving out of Meridian and going to Boise. And that is reflected by the
numbers and what's actually there. I would also say that it was very interesting this
moming, Thad -- last night I had a gentleman here for dinner, he's a former director of a
publicly traded company. I met him at 7:15 over at the Marriott this moming and Andy
Wilk from Center Cal was there and, actually, Scott Teny, the manager of the hotel, was
telling me thank you and all this stuff and had the gentleman staying there and Andy
and Center Cal had 15 people staying at the hotel and if you think they weren't excited,
it was kind of like a group gathering. Two of them were from Singapore. He says that
those of you who know -- Anna and I were talking about it a few minutes ago -- that
Center Cal has been taking that actual model of the total project, they have been taking
it around the country and they had it at the big convention down in Las Vegas.
Unfortunately, in the move of the model -- it's as big as the -- as wide as the platform
here. The model actually got broken up and the model was made in Singapore, Andy
proceeded to introduce me to two of the gentlemen that had been flown in from
Singapore to actually -- actually make all the corrections and to repair the damage that
had been done on that. And as I indicated, I will say this to Council, at least without all
further detail, 'it's all steps forward with regard to that project and you're going to hear a
lot in the next -- actually, by the end of this month and Andy actually ended up with a
briefing for about 45 minutes and he was as excited as I have seen him with regard to
that and I know Anna will speak a little bit about-that and some of the impacts. So, one
of the things -- and, actually, there was a couple of individual discussions that I had had
with a couple of Councilmen and, actually, Joe and I actually talked, too. There is one
of the things we have been very active looking at. Sometimes it's good our story is nice
if everybody has some facts, other than just me or the Mayor or we are talking about
them -- almost call them brag sheets and we are working on that from a marketing
standpoint, but we are also going to try to make sure and update to the Council that you
get a chance to have that information to help us tell the story continuously. I would
mention that in some cases when the Mayor and I go on site visits for businesses that
I'm engaged in, I am asked in some cases -- I mean we had a situation of a privately
held company that actually pulled out and showed us financial statements. I have to
say that we are very -- from the professionalism, integrity standpoint, it's one thing for
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me to talk about MWI as being a publicly traded company and there is information and I
can say certain things, but I believe out of the integrity, if they would like to -- if we could
refer them to a publication or a media thing where they want to share their information, I
think that's appropriate. But in the discussions we have had with them, they haven't
shared that information with us to the point to say, here, you can go share that with
everyone. And it's not that we take it away, but a lot of times they verbally bring that up
to us. So, I am going to share a little bit. MWI actually has increased 60 employees
over the last 12 months. As you may know, they are one of the -- that's corporate
headquarters employees. That's not in warehouses in other areas. My recent meeting
with Jim Clary, he's actually -- he wants -- he's very interested in being more involved.
It's kind of like I was saying sometimes people want to get on the bus and I will say that
they want to get on the bus, because they see -- they see the leadership from the
Council and for the leadership here that this is a community they want to be part of.
And I can tell you from .every presentation I have made in the last two months, that's an
exciting part to have that kind of excitement with the people that are coming there. The
Mayor and I recently were at a company and some of you may not know, it is privately
held, which is called Pentry. I would say to you that surprisingly you will see in excess
of a hundred employees related at that firm. I won't give a definite number. It's privately
held and I think you would be shocked to understand what that company is really doing
here in Meridian and continuing to grow. The Blackhawk manufacturing I had
mentioned once before, but I would say that continues at the pace of the eight to 85
employees and with the distribution center, their goal was still to be at that 200. At the
same token, bodybuilding.com and some of the economic excellence series had a
chance to listen to Ryan Diluca and what's going on. One thing I would want to put out,
they are also a catalyst for everything to do with what we refer to the health sciences
and technology corridor, they are now atech -- when we think about it, they are not only
in the products they sell, they are a technology company and they are a technology
company that means something with a comparison of us being able to use them as an
example. So, those are just a group, what you really look at as true related to the kind
of employers and what's happening in the ones we know, then, that's when I say I'm
recently announcing the moves to Meridian. As some of you are aware, Power
Engineers is moving out to Silverstone. They also -- they also have purchased Visual
Genesis, another technology company, another kind to continuity that's really there.
And those people are communicating on that basis. One exciting thing -- and I would
invite any you if you can next Thursday -- next Thursday evening from 5:30 to 7:30 is
the open house at Venga Works. Actually, the Mayor is back Ithink -- I think -- I would
say to the Mayor I think we actually -- the first contact when we heard about these
people was last November. That's when I started working with them for the first time.
This company is two -- this is privately held. They are the same gentleman that owns
Freedom Storage Units. They are two silicon -- two southern California engineers,
decided they wanted a better lifestyle, moved up here, and I will say when they opened
Meridian will not have a water cooler, they will not have an incubator, they are going to
have one of the most. state of the state of the art emerging business centers of anyplace
in probably the northwest. In addition, it will be totally green. You guys have seen the
project. You have had it come in front of you. I can say I did a hard hat tour with them
about a week ago. They are sharp, exciting individuals and the thing I would want to
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mention to you -- the Mayor and I had a meeting with another software company here
just last week. I can tell you I have already connected them and they are already
looking at the meeting and potentially they may end up being one of their first tenants,
although they had already got tenants lined up. But that entity ends up becoming an
emerging business center that we can see 25 to 50 times the entities, that may either
move out of their house or the new entities who can walk in and have state of the art
technology in a different way than we have seen in this valley. And it's exciting. I'd say
next Thursday, if you could, if you can it's 5:30 to 7:30, that's the open house at the
chamber -- it came out in the chamber notice. And the principals will be there. Both
gentlemen -- one gentleman lives up in Sun Valley. The economic excellence breakfast
series is continuing and going forward. The part I would want to mention out of that, at
the suggested and thanks to the support from the Mayor and the Mayor's office, we
have the last breakfast videotaped. And we are now in the process of, like I say, editing
that tape, we are trying to shorten it down, so we can use it for multiple purposes. Andy
Wilcaff, before today, he wants to give it to his people, Porter Nievelli out of BVEP
wants that. I have been requested of it by an investing group out of Arizona and it can
be a tool for us and we are able to -- and most of you were there. We couldn't have it
any better than having some of the spokesmen like we had with Dennis Johnson and
some of the people and the ideas were not -- we are not trying to edit it -- we are editing
it, we are editing only to shorten it. Maybe some of the comments that we think are
appropriate, if you really put the concise thing where it's consistent with our scoring. I
would also tell you that -- which is very exciting, is next Friday -- that Friday is the next
president -- the president's advisory council from ISU, we have part of a presentation
There that Scott Perrin and Associates was going to be making that I have been
working on with them and they are now going to go into afund -- actually fundraising
campaign, they have outlined it. The fundraising campaign is all titled around the
Meridian Health Sciences and Technology Corridor. They want to cooperate and be
collaborative with regard to the public relations side, so we can continue to leverage off
of telling our story. And so you have all 16 board members, in addition to the alumni
association, and everyone going forward in that. And so the timing on this is -- since I
talked to Council last time, I met with Don Detriech, the head of the Department of
Commerce, in addition to the fact we have now had discussions through the governor's
actual task force on health care, of which Robin Dodkin from ISU is the sole actual
educational representative. And three of the speakers that we are talking about
potentially as a key note speaker for that presentation, which we think would be perfect
timing, because it's related to the launch of more of a concise overall marketing
campaign to the health sciences technology comdor, because what the Mayor -- it's
been suggested. She hasn't heard this yet. We want to ask the governor first, because
he was coming -- the recent speaking -- the recent speech to IACI and talking about the
health sciences corridor. We are going to ask the governor first. If the governor says
no, we are going to ask him for the chair who is on their task force on health care
throughout the state, Robin has already talked with him. And a third to that we are
going to ask for Don Detriech, because I went to Don Detriech at the Mayor's direction
and Don Detriech has now been presented everything on the health sciences
technology corridor and I say our enthusiasm and excitement about it is a little bit
different in a way that that's kind of recognizing that, you know, Meridian is here, it's not
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just Boise. So, I mention the thing on joint marketing and planning. I only would say I
touched on the part with ISU and what Scott Parrin as been doing, but that's no different
than whether it's -- it's Portico, it doesn't matter whether it's Pinebridge; the point is all
those people are talking in the right way and the good part about it it's talking about we.
It's not about they or -- it's looking at it's their part of the same team that they see us
being on. On the reworking of the -- excuse me. On the ISU advisory council, when I
sat in, I just put up -- they are integrating the state -- you know integrating the
stakeholders. It's so exciting. Actually, Jim Schmidt is actually doing a presentation on
technology. I mentioned to Council back in our meeting about a month ago. And I do
talk about it, potential technology for the distance learning side of that. He has a 20
minute presentation tied into that advisory board that's meeting this Friday. And so it's
exciting, because part of the initiative and things that have been brought up are the
people are taking it for it's action. The other part I would mention is that advisory
council and part of what Scott Perrin has actually pro Bono did with regard to putting
together that strategic plan with our assistance, is what he's actually done is he has --
there actually are outlined in the campaign to go to the legislature ahead of time, they
want to be able to start promoting to the state board of education to understand what
ISU represents and the first line of it as it represents economic develop of not only
Meridian, but Boise valley and of the state and of the welfare to the system. The
reworking of the economic excellence website. We are going to -- we continue -- and
think Terry's still here. Is that Terry, as he said, we are continuing. Josh has been
doing -- we are trying to look at, in addition to the work we have been able get some
assistance, just as an example, that new video that we get it edited, we are trying to still
look at that. We are developing -- actually, if you can go to the next one. Thank you.
On the continuing branding identify for Meridian, I would say that what we are looking at
is when we talk about brag sheets, we have a new one that the Council should be able
to see once -- we just got the other draft. We are developing, at the Mayor's direction,
we have got kind of a quick stock sheet. It's more of a quick fact sheet. It's not
something that somebody that can go research and see other further data. What we
are wanting to do is have those tools to tell the story that are easy -- easily accessible
and with one thing -- and Ithink -- and I would say this -- the Mayor made the comment
the other day, it's like in our discussions we've even had with the state Department of
Labor and with Don Detriech. As you well know, sometimes when it comes to economic
data, I have to tell you when it comes to finding it specifically on Meridian, it's not easy.
It takes -- it's delayed or we only get part of that data, in a way where Boise or if we talk
about the total -- if we talk about the county or we talk about the MSA or the whole
thing. Ithink I'd say is that as we grow and everything, there is more recognition and
have to say we have -- we have, with some cooperative help from the state, we are
getting a lot better information with regard to that. On the positive PR for Meridian, I will
say this, I just participated two weeks ago -- BVEP actually -- actually invited in and they
had site consultants and as they call it their familiarization tour to here. On some of
those familiarization tours I'd have to say the first round -- the first round we were not as
active and the participation was kind of an interesting mix. It was a little bit what I would
say more convention oriented to Coronet and some other entities. This time we were
able to attract 12 site consultants from all over the United States. We also were
successful, if any of you see Dale Newberry, please, thank him, because we are not
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only in the fact of bringing him around, we had a chance to show him Meridian, we had
a chance to talk to him about the business enterprise corridors. We had a chance to
have that direct dialogue, they got a chance to see what was going on. We also had a
Micro 100 tour. They are at Plexis out in Nampa. They actually rotated, but we made
sure -- and I can tell you Dale did an unbelievable job to the point that the people were
going wild. They could not -- they could not believe -- and as you know, even in that
brag sheet -- and maybe you don't know this, Dale's now distributing his product in 50
countries globally and when they look at -- looking through a drill bit that's being used
for the I phone in China that you can't even see through a microscope, they kind of got
with it. So, I guess -- the Mayor's telling me -- I'll move on. Is that the -- the pro active
engagements that's existing in emerging businesses -- I only want to say this as a
representative to what happens every day with regard to that pro active engagement.
Many times on communication it means we know what the businesses want, we
continue to ask them what can we do to support you and you know what is really
interesting, we are getting a lot of businesses saying to the Mayor and they will say
what can we do to support you. And that's exciting. And so the new business outreach,
when you say -- I guess my final comment would be there is we must be aggressive and
pro active with all our overall efforts. We can't sit and wait for them to come to us and
would say that's part of the identity that really looks at it. So, from the budgetary
standpoint, there are no requests for any enhancements from the economic
development budget. You know, we -- and I guess part of that is I think it's acredit -- I
guess you are -- you are supporting it by the budget things you're doing with, whether --
Ron .and I were just talking about the ladder truck, because it's real tough for me to tell a
developer, yeah, you ought to be doing this, or whether it's Anna's staff and planning for
whether it's -- whether it's the police department, because that's all part of the city of
excellence for what it is. So, we are not asking for any enhancements at this time. I
hope that -- I will be glad to answer any other questions. As you do know, the plan that
I submitted to you about a month ago has matrix in it, has the objectives, and the things
that we discussed at that time.
Borton: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes, Mr. Borton.
Borton: One quick question.
Stiffler: Sure.
Borton: When I looked at the budget there was a -- the last couple of years there was a
40,000 dollar dues, license, and publications line item that --
Stiffler: I'm sorry, for how much, Joe?
Borton: Forty thousand. It's at zero this year.
Stiffler: That's BVEP. That was --
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De Weerd: It's transferred from --
Stiffler: It's transferred over. It was in economic development and I actually think it's --
did it go to 45?
De Weerd: It's in Other Government.
Stiffler: It's in Other Govemment.
Borton: Okay. Thanks.
Stiffler: Any questions? Thank you very much.
CLERK'S OFFICE
De Weerd: Thank you. And last, but not least, the clerk's office.
Holman: I'd like to say I won't hung, because Stacy's not the boss of me anymore, but
will. Okay. Okay. Since my background is finance is actually what I got my degree in
and I ended up a clerk, I'm not sure how that happened, but I'm enjoying it. I decided to
start with statistics. Just decided to gather some information on what our department
handles. I did it on an annual basis. As you can see, roughly around 22,000 phone
calls come through our office on an annual basis that we route to other departments or
just a lot of them are answering questions, sometimes we are looking up things in the
phone book for people. The number of agendas and notices that we have sent out, we
have posted over 200 agendas or notices, which usually it's both. And we have done
over 80 additional notices for special meetings and precouncil meetings. I went through
LaserFiche to try to look into the number of documents that we have scanned into the
permanent record and we have done a total of 28,000 documents, for the total of
440,000 pages that's a drop in the bucket of what we actually need to do, but it's still
think a pretty decent accomplishment. The number of permits we issued, you can see
-- you know, the liquor, catering permits, beer and wine liquor licenses. The fireworks
permits we have 16 this year. I worked on setting up a little bit different process for that
this year to make it flow more smoothly. I hope that it did, but, hopefully, I can
reconvene with everybody and find out what worked, what didn't, and try to streamline
that process for the next year. We also do massage licenses. Mobile sales unit
licenses. Those are our -- you know what those are, ice cream vendors or people that
are going door to door. Private security licenses. The new temporary use -- citizen's
use permits, while the number says only 19, that is hours and hours. and hours of work
on those 19. So, they are quite complicated and a lot of different people involved in
that. And, then, we also processed some of the dog licenses for the police
departments, ones that people mail in with their utility bills or simply walk in and want
processing, then, we forward those onto the police. I tried to do a fee comparison with
Idaho cites. It was a lot comparing apples to oranges, because some people don't have
a fee or a license or a permit in place for some of these things. Right now under the
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local sales units on the left, we charge $29.25, that's simply the background check fee.
We don't currently have a fee in place for that. I'm working with Emily Kane in setting
up the clerk's fee schedule, so we can charge for that. The massage licenses the same
for an individual masseuse or someone who is -- I guess a massage vendor. It's ten
dollars, plus the $29.25 for the actual permit -- I'm song, the background check. And
the same with the security -- the private security services. Part of that fee is the
background check fee. And, of course, the temporary use and the citizen's use permits
right now, we are not doing a CS, like a pilot program over the next year, which we
talked about in our Council meeting. Some of these other cities they don't charge --
they don't have a massage or security -- they don't permit it, so -- I realize this really
isn't very good information, because it's really hard to compare. Accomplishments. I
have only been over there for five months, so this is just kind of what I'm proud of us
doing in the last five months. I reorganized the office. I was fortunate to inherit a very
good staff from Will and we were also fortunate to be able to get Sheree Finch to come
back on board full time. So, there is myself and four people. We -- one of the other
things we did is purged the documents in the basement that had already been passed
by resolution and for us to get rid of and we had already gotten permission from the
state archivist to get rid of. That was over a hundred boxes. We worked together with'
accounting and now there is one more aisle you can walk down in the basement. It
looks like a drop in the bucket, but we will get there. We are in the process of sorting
and moving and organizing to try to either -- once we have scanned in a record and we
have it permanently in a digital format, to be able to either pass a resolution to destroy
the records permanently or send those records to the state archivist that they can store
if we actually ever needed the original documents, we can get it from them usually
within a two day turnaround. We have about 30 boxes downstairs right now of old
minute books from City Council meetings, Planning and Zoning meetings, that's our first
step is to get a resolution before you all in the next couple of months, hopefully able to
send those to the state archivist. We worked with Sheree -- Sheree has been just
excellent at working with Microsoft Access. She helped us put together a permits
database, which allows us to actually have some history on the different permits, how
many we have done, who we have sent them to, when they renewed. She's been a
very very valuable tool with her skills of just putting together -- she helped me put
together my portion of this presentation, because Powerpoint's not my strong point. We
migrated from a tape system from audio recording to -- from cassette tapes to digital
audio, which is going to help us long term to be able to store them permanently. We are
getting ready to send a bunch of the tapes, once we have passed a resolution, to be
able to send those to the archivist, but for a long term solution, talking 30 years down
the road, we are hoping that the digital will be more of a -- a permanent record a better
way of I guess storing our audio of our meetings. It also helps us to be just a little bit
more mobile when we have meetings in different places and if things aren't held in the
Council chambers, it's just a little digital recorder that we are checking out and getting a
lot more use from --from the different committees. Working on redoing the filing system
to a date driven filing system, rather than by title, like for a project, instead of doing it by
title, it will have a project number, which is easier for researching and looking for stuff in
LaserFiche later on down the road. We worked with Dean, our transcriptionist, to come
up with some guidelines on just little small things here and there that we were proofing
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minutes for. He said he'd do it any way we wanted him to do our minutes and so we
came up with a couple of different things we wanted him to change and that's saved us
considerable time in proofing the minutes. We do still look them over when we get them
back from Dean, but nowhere near the hours we were putting into that. And we are.
reorganizing files in LaserFiche to try to make it more consistent, so, eventually, when
we spread into all the other departments in managing their documents, too, it will all
merge together easier and just easier for us to research things. Originally, when I put
these two enhancements together, one is for records retention -- or records
management software. One is for agenda manager software. This was fairly soon after
I took over in the clerk's office and I -- my main focus was everything that's going on in
the basement and organizing that and getting all that together. Both of these
enhancements are an additional module to LaserFiche, which is a major base program
that we have for our document management right now. Having been at it a little bit
longer, I think that it's premature right now to do the records management software, just
because that's really going to become more of an issue when I start having to manage
other departments records to retain those and come up with a schedule in which we
either purge them, send them to the state archivist, or whatever. There is a little bit in
that records management enhancement that's very important to us and it was just 2,700
dollars for two new scanners and these were specific scanners that will scan directly
into LaserFiche. It's vital that we get those. Right now we -- Tara has the one good
scanner in our office and, then, Machelle and I both have scanners that are on their last
leg that we have to manually feed in a page at a time and we are talking thousands and
thousands of records in the basement. We definitely need to get the two scanners, so
we can have people scanning at their desks on a daily basis and getting us caught up
on the basement. My last item is -- which is the one I'm very much hoping for is the
agenda manager software. Currently we get approximately -- and this is just an
average -- of 3,500 a-mails per year that specifically have to do with our planning and
zoning and our City Council agendas. Right now you guys get an agenda every week
and I don't know if you understand how much goes into that process of getting that
together, getting that accurate, all of it is done through thousands of a-mails and a white
board on the wall in the clerk's office, which the fact that we don't miss more things is
just a testament to the fact of how much Tara handles and really does a good job of
making sure that she gets everything on the agenda and she's tracking all these
projects and having to go back through a-mails to find the project to make sure they get
onto the correct agenda or they are -- if they are continued to another agenda. It's just
all a cut and paste process through e-mails. The new agenda manager software, what
I'm hoping -- and Ithink -- I really feel we need to migrate to, is software that people --
the individual departments and probably starting with the department heads or whoever
they decide within each of their departments should have access to' it. They would
initiate their request to put something on the agenda. Instead of sending Tara an e-
mail, they would initiate it -- they may have, depending on the type of item it is, it will
have different sign-off people along the line. And so when they initiate say a contract,
there will be a designated set of users that get that ID -- or get that job ID. It sends out
to them, it has to have their approval before it can be submitted to say Tara or I to be
put on the agenda and, then, the Mayor or Charlie would be the final sign off on whether
something gets on the agenda. What's nice about this is right now the way that it works
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right now is it's -- Tara and I are kind of the keeper of what's going on until we send out
that draft agenda, we get requests from Planning and Zoning, you know, checking out to
see where the projects are, are we getting it on this agenda -- they really have no way
to access the agenda until they get a draft to find out where something's at. With this
software it's constantly a work in process that people can log into, they can see, okay, I
submitted this request, it went to Keith Watts on this date, has he looked at it, has he
made comments. Keith could make a comment on that item, say, no, it's missing this,
need more detail, you need this, and it would send that person an a-mail back saying he
has seen it. It's just a checks and balances process through the whole system, so
things don't get missed, things don't get -- they have all the proper sign-offs before they
actually get on the agenda in front you at a Council meeting. It allows us to track
something that's been on the agenda all the way back through our Planning and Zoning
-- the inception of it in -- on a Planning and Zoning agenda. I think that right now would
be a great time to do it if we were to convert over from a totally manual process to an
automated process where we could have some history and tracking and accountability
before we speed up again, before the projects start coming in hot and heavy. I know
that I have support from finance on this and I don't know if Stacy wants to say anything
about it or not, but I know that they are in support of this, too, from their end of things
and how things get on the agenda, especially regarding contracts and stuff like that, so
-- have I said it all? Okay. So, the one time cost is the 18,000 dollars and that's the
additional module that's added onto our base system that we already have and, then,
the annual maintenance of 3,000 dollars. And with that I am finished, unless anybody
would like to ask some questions.
De Weerd: Okay. Council, any questions regarding this section on our agenda?
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes.
Zaremba: I understand the need to have good scanners and that should happen at
some point, I agree with that, but have you explored -- back up. Okay. As we keep
producing more and more records, the current and new records should be scanned in.
But you're also talking about going back and doing, what, 50 years of stuff that's in the
basement?
Holman: I'm talking about doing 40 four drawer file cabinets of records that are in the
basement and in other places throughout the city and that's just our records.
Zaremba: Is that. something that we could contract out to somebody to come do?
Holman: Yes, it is. But it's very expensive. They charge an hourly rate. They charge
you more if they have to take it off site. No. They charge you more if they have to do it
on site. I'm sorry. So, there is a -- a process that we would have to go through in
organizing all of these records, putting them into like an Excel spreadsheet or some sort
of a list, because you have to create a chain of custody, because you're dealing with
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original records. So, there is all of that staff time, which that's half of the time that we
are going to spend right now to scan them ourselves. Then, they charge you a per
page fee, an hourly fee -- it's very expensive and it would be a great big enhancement.
Zaremba: Okay. Thank you.
Holman: Uh-huh. I checked into that, because that was the first attractive option to me.
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes, Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: A question for Teny as it relates to the Agenda Manager. Is that a system
that would integrate into an Enterprise wide system? It seems to me that there is -- be a
lot of use of those records.
Paternoster: With the different systems we evaluated, some of them could have
documents management integration. The thing about the LaserFiche system, which is
really what we are talking about, Agenda Manger is something to add onto LaserFiche.
The LaserFiche system is a sequel server database, which is the standard that the city
uses and so we would have as much access to that as any other system, so it's actually
a good selection.
Rountree: So, your Enterprise database that you're looking at is the sequel?
Paternoster: Absolutely.
Rountree: Okay.
Holman: Is there anything else?
De Weerd: Anything else?
Borton: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes, Mr. Borton.
Borton. Real quick. In that budget item you have got contracted labor at 20,000, which
looks unusually high. I don't know what that applies to.
Holman: Contracted labor is sitting right over there. Dean is who we contract -- he
does our transcription.
Borton: It actually didn't look high enough.
Holman: And whoever thought of that, thank you and bless you.
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2:10 am Stacy Developmental Services Presentation
De Weerd: Okay. Any other questions, Council, for Jaycee, Phil, or Robert?
Okay. Thank you. Okay. Finance. Stacy. Development Services presentation. Are
you presenting for Building and Planning? Oh. You're the preamble.
Kilchenmann: The preamble. Yes. I did most of it. She just wanted me to add some
extra detail.
Zaremba: While things are being organized, Stacy, can I ask you a sideways question?
Kilchenmann: Sure.
Zaremba: Is there a point at which -- let me back up. We had a couple of departments
talk about their vehicle fleet and the maintenance on them as they age and stuff like
that. And maybe this is a question for Public Works at some point, too, because they
probably would end up with it, but is there a point at which it makes sense for us to go
through a motor pool or a fleet department that would not only use fleet purchase ability,
but also do the routine maintenance -- maybe not major crash reconstruction, but --
Kilchenmann: You mean like hire maintenance? Hire a department or like --
Zaremba: Just a single department that -- I mean I -- do we anywhere know how many
vehicles the city owns? Each department knows how many they own, but does
anybody know --
Kilchenmann: We do. We do know how many vehicles the city owns. We track that in
the system.
Zaremba: And do we know the combined --
Kilchenmann: And if Keith Watts were here he would be doing cartwheels because you
asked that. And, actually, it probably -- I don't think from my experience with the state
and the city that it ever makes sense to actually run a garage yourself, but it probably
does make sense to have some kind of tracking of the whole fleet in one place, because
I think the state found -- and they, actually, did -- they had a performance audit
department and they spent a year looking at vehicles and what they found was the state
collecting this -- this fleet of ancient vehicles and their maintenance costs was just
accelerating and accelerating and so that's when they came up with the -- and the fleet
-- cars are being replaced, but the old cars just go to somebody else, so the fleet wasn't
staying the same, it was getting bigger and bigger and bigger, but it was full of crap, you
know, it was getting full of -- so that probably is something that we could actually do
now.
De Weerd: Is that a technical team?
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Kilchenmann: Yes. It's a technical accounting term. As soon as Keith gets done with
the City Hall project, that probably is something he could at least gather that information
in one spot and we could easily gather maintenance costs and look at managing our
fleet from a global perspective, instead of just department to department. Did that
answer your question?
Zaremba: Mr. Barry appears to have something he might want to add.
Kilchenmann: Oh, he wants to have awhole --
Zaremba: So, at least it's being thought about and --
Kilchenmann: It is being thought about and discussed and I'm more conservative than
Keith and Tom, but it's definitely being discussed.
Zaremba: Okay. Thank you.
Bany: One of the -- Council Members, one of the things we were looking at was we
have a -- at least in Public Works we have one of the largest fleets, except for the
police, and we were going to try to track this year our fleet maintenance cost, as well as
our coordination of fleet vehicles and one of the things we noticed that we have a -- a
major challenge with is insuring that our vehicle fleet is maintained in a properly
fashioned order. We have vehicles that, you know, it's really up to the person who is
driving the vehicle to remember that at, you know, 3,000 or 5,000 miles to take it in or
that the tires really do need to be rotated or what washer fluid is out or, you know, that
our vehicle fleet looks really bad, because of dust and debris and other sorts of things.
Are there windows that you can't see out of or those sorts of things. So, we were going
to try to track that and we are doing a realignment, as you know, in Public Works and
one of the things we have been discussing was having a coordinator type of activity
associated with the coordination and scheduling of fleet vehicles and also tracking of
those costs and attributing those city wide to see if there is -- it does make financial
sense -- if there is a case for us taking on the fleet -- those services. So, we are sort of
looking into that for Public Works, so --
Zaremba: Great. Thank you. Thank you both.
Kilchenmann: Okay. Anna had asked me to just go over a couple more facts or items
that probably need to be explained on the Development Services budget. The one thing
I do want to point out -- in Anna's budget in the past -- or in the planning budget, there
has been a lot of clutter. In other words, there have been items that she had no control
over, like city wide dues and so forth and as you know we have also in the past had
streetlights and code enforcement have -- have been moved from the General Fund and
have been in that Development Services Fund. We moved all the -- the functions that
we felt were city-wide functions out of Development Services. In other words, those are
functions that the city is going to do no matter what. I mean we are going to pay for
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street lights until we go bankrupt like Orange county and, then, we will probably still pay
for them and we are going to -- we are going to be in -- we are going to join Valley Ride,
that's a commitment we have made, as a part of general government, so we have,
cleaned all that out of that fund and so the fund can focus on its primary function.
Another thing -- I know you on the monthly financial statements I gave you this moming
we talked about just the overall -- looked at the overall fund, where it would end up, and
I wanted to remind you in this year's budget there is a capital piece of 200,000 dollars.
And I can't remember exactly which project it's for. I think it's for the Heritage ball field
or that lighting project and so that -- those projections take into account spending that.
If you look at their -- if we look at the monthly financial statements and look at just the
base budget, they are -- they are staying on track like I said, they are -- the fund is
breaking even. We did in the budget for '09, we are showing on the very top part of
your General Fund summary -- and you will see that again when Todd puts the
summary up. We have moved about 440,000 dollars worth of expenses for the
Development Services Fund. We are making a transfer from the General Fund. I'm
fairly optimistic we won't have to miss that transfer, that they will continue to break even,
but, again, we want to be very conservative, we want to make sure we have that
operating reserve in there for them, so we are showing the transfer in this budget. A
good likelihood you can take that money -- and, again, we have talked about building up
a Capital Improvement Fund again and building a public safety fund, but we want to
take a conservative approach. Also, in Anna's budget, in her summary, there is the
237,000 dollar grant and we don't show the revenue on that page for summary that is
offset by revenue. But the grant -- her department -- Sara Wheeler, I believe, is
managing that grant,. so that's where we put it in her -- in her department. Again, it's a
hundred percent offset by revenue. So, that's just kind of some basic little facts about
that fund I wanted to add before she goes ahead with her presentation. Are there any
questions about that piece or the piece I did this moming? Okay.
2:25 pm Planning /Building Department
Canning: So, before we get started, we have these Development Services Fund ducks
put up here, so that you know we all have our ducks in a row.
De Weerd: They look like Elvis.
Canning: Yes, they are. They are Elvis ducks. And also ducks aren't just a noun, they
are also a verb, so it's to remind me to duck if I get it coming, too, so --
De Weerd: You're the only one that throws things.
Canning: Well, you have got them to throw towards me, I suppose. Bruce and I are
going to start off this presentation together and, then, I'll do my portion and Bruce will
follow up with the building department. But we wanted to do it together as the
Development Services Fund. And also before I start, I did want to remind you that
Stacy told you this moming that the Development Services Fund has paid 8.2 million
dollars for the CIP fund from fiscal year '03 to fiscal year '07. So, we just wanted to
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remind you all of that. Since we are on a little bit a low here this year. So, this is our
Development Services Fund budget presentation and we wanted to start off by each
one of us will talk about our functions by department, so that will be some general
information. Our fiscal year'08 accomplishments. And, then, our fiscal year'09 budget.
And, then, we will get back together to go over future challenges and opportunities and
summarize and answer any questions. So, the first one is the function. So, from the
planning department we have the comprehensive planning, community development, a
court of three half time positions, current planning, and, then, design review. Also in the
Development Services Fund is the economic development contract that was spoken --
that was in the Mayor's presentation.
Freckleton: In the building department we have permitting as a function, building
inspection function, building and plan review is a function, and our customer service
counter and over the phone.
Canning: Okay. And now we are going into the planning department. So, the Planning
Department has 12 full-time people, that includes me, two division managers, four
associates, three assistants, one administrative assistant, and another half time GIS
person. Our fiscal year '08 accomplishments, I'm going to go through by kind of
division, so can-ent planning, which also includes ICDBG grant administrator and the
comprehensive planning and GIS. So, on the cunent planning we have seven full-time
employees. One of our big accomplishments this year was the switch to the new online
database and in just a second I'm going to go show you that, because I think that is
something that you need to know that's out there. We also improved our first
enforcement coordination and you heard about that earlier from the police department.
It really is a much better system that we have these days and coordination and the
comradery, actually, is quite good and we have even pulled the fire department into the
loop recently and I think that they will be joining us on those enforcement meetings. We
have also improved the temporary use standards and processes. You heard the clerk
speak about that, as well as -- somebody else brought up -- I forgot to mark down who
that was. But the temporary uses have their big enforcement issue for us over the
years and we think we really improved that process. And we have absorbed
responsibility for the community development block grant administration and, then, of
course, we have the application process. But before we get to that, I do want to show
you that online database. This online -- the online database is available to anyone that
wants to go look at it. We have a link in our website page currently, but I think that this
is one of those areas where if we did hire a website designer to manage the content,
this is one thing we could really play up. All you need to do is view the applications and
it's the name -- they are done by date, so the most recent ones come up, so say we
want to look at the Kerwin shop and it's failed on me. May not be a good sign. Here we
go. So, here is the zoning certificate of compliance for the Kerwin shop and this is the
owner information, contact information, the general description. There is no hearing
dates on this one, so it won't have that information listed. We will go down to a hearing
item. Let's pick -- you can run searches on this. So, if you know it's an annexation and
zoning from this year, it will tell you all the -- it will quickly find all the annexation and
zonings for this year. So, let's look at Regency. So, this is Regency at River Valley. It
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shows you all the concurrent applications. It gives you all the owner information. Oops.
Maybe not. All the contact information. The applicant. The hearing dates. As you see
it was numerous hearing dates. And, then, whether or not it's been approved. So, that
needs to be updated. But that -- the search capability is quite good on this as well. So,
we are still working out some of the bugs as you can see. Kind of emban'assing. But it
really is a tremendous tool and what we'd like to get done is have this linked to agendas
and so that they can see what the applicant submitted. Also, the next step that this --
the reason we started this online database is for the staff report function. As staff we
can go in there and it will take that information that we put into the database and begin a
staff report for us. Then, that staff report will also be available for people to view from
the front page, as well as an uploaded copy of the site plan or preliminary plat or final
plat, whatever that application is. So, we really want to work on developing this and
make this a tool for people to really understand a project, rather than having to come
into the office. Okay. So, now we are going to talk about our applications. So, we have
had 102 hearing applications thus far, including 72 -- and we have also had 72
certificate's of zoning compliance. We have had an average of eight items per Planning
and Zoning Commission hearing and an average 15 -- call them official preapplication
meetings with clients per month. There really are more, because a lot of times they
squeeze in a second one whenever they come in for the first, but we have had 15
official ones. And this is just to show you the hearing applications. It's been kind of
interesting. We had a lot of new applications during the winter and a lot of continued
ones as well. And, then, April definitely was a unique month for us in that we had no
continued or new hearing items, but as you can see it picked-right back up again and,
actually, for the month of August we have 11 new hearing items. This is our
applications by type and I wanted to show you this to show you that most of what we do
is stuff you all never see. Sign permits, temporary sign permits, certificates of zoning
compliance, Conditional Use Permits, and design review are the top five and they are
ones that you don't see. Alternative compliance was another big one we do that you all
don't see. So, a lot of our applications are items that they are admittedly smaller, but
they do take up time -- staff time and resources. When I asked you for two new
planners several years ago, one of the -- one of the statistics I gave you was current
planners versus applications, how many were they doing per planner. This graph,
basically, depicts that as well. So, you can see in 2003 we were about even on the
applications versus planners. We were really struggling to keep up with stuff in 2005.
You gave us the two new planners in 2006 and we have come down slightly for 2008,
that's the half time position for Sara Wheeler, we moved that to the Community
Development Block Grant Administration. So, 2008 is just about half the year, it's not
the full year, so if you double that it does show it's decreasing, but we have decreased
the number of staff iri currently planning as well. There are other graphs that I think are
more telling with regard to the current planning staff and I will get to those in a moment
and it related to customer service. Our customer service is our pre-application
meetings, as well as our public assistance. So, for public assistance we averaged 31
calls per day. So, if I take that down to an annual, that's close to 6,200 calls per year.
That's a significant amount of calls for just ten people or just seven people if you're
talking about the current planning staff. We get an average of eight front counter
customers per day. This was -- we took statistics for a month. It was a pretty much
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typical month. It wasn't particularly busy, it's the summer, so it was a pretty even
month. We get an average of 15 zoning phone inquiries per day. Those inquiries --
they can be citizen inquiries on development projects, calls trying to resolve problems,
or general questions about what they can do with their property. This is our
preapplication meetings. As you can see throughout last summer and into the winter it
was pretty sporadic, we'd get up and down peaks, but since the winter it has been
steadily increasing again. And we do -- it seems like we get about half of our pre-apps
tum out being applications for the next month. This one is interesting. It's the activity by
day and type, so it shows our office calls, our phone inquiries, and our front counter
customers. And the thing that's interesting is the peaks. If we were to lose someone in
the front counter staff, those three assistants or the administrative assistant, to lose one
of those really affects that customer service at those peak times is what it affects,
because, then, you have got people waiting around for quite awhile to try and get help.
There is enough folks there that they can scurry around and help .everybody at the
same time and that front lobby of ours gets quite busy at times. So, I wanted to show
that. This is just our office calls and this is the 31 calls per day. And, again, you can
see there is real peak days where everybody in the world seems to call us and the next
day nobody calls, so it's accommodating those peaks that's difficult. And this is the
counter and phone assistance and just, again, it shows that peaking pattern. It's not a
particular day of the week. I did look at that. It just happens. This is the one that I think
really shows the correlation between the rise in the planning staff and the need for
customer service, it's just as we get more people, more people walk in that door of ours.
In 2003 when I got there I was amazed that there was no one assigned to the front
counter to handle the walk-in customers, because I knew it was an overwhelming task
at Ada county, I have been stuck on the front counter for years up there, and I couldn't
believe we didn't have anyone and I kept on asking staff if we needed one and they said
nobody comes in. One or two people came in per day and it wasn't a big deal to help
them. But now we have got eight to 15 people coming in per day and they -- it takes a
long time to help those folks out. So, as you see, the planning staff has increased, but
it's very commensurate with the population increase of the city. In the comprehensive
planning division we have three full-time employees. They have had a number of
accomplishments for the year. Under land use and community development we had the
south Meridian plan adoption, the design review draft guidelines, which I have a little
update for you, too. The landscape of the Waltman's Road -- Waltman Road retention
pond and we. are making headway on the area of city impact expansion. It seems like
we make headway and, then, get thrown backwards again and I -- I think we may have
some news to that effect, but we still -- I think we are pushing forward at every
opportunity that we can. This is the timeline for the completion of the design review
guidelines. We should get a document out -- a draft document out at the beginning of
the September and we are looking forward to getting that out to the architects and the
developer's council and, then, for adoption by the City Council in October or November,
around that date. So, we have been doing a lot of work on that. Council Member
Rountree has been an active member of that group and we are really looking forward to
getting those guidelines on the books. Also in the comprehensive planning we have
worked on a number of transportation projects and study coordination for the split
corridor, the south Meridian transportation study, the Fairview concept design corridor,
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Ustick Road concept design, the Ten Mile interchange, the McMillan -Locust Grove
intersection, 8th Street sidewalk, the Highway 16 alignment study, and very active
participation in development monitoring of the ACRD five year work program and you
have seen all of those, so I'm not spending time on it, it's just to remind you that Matt is
out there every day advocating for the best interest of the City of Meridian and it's not an
easy job. We also staff or are members of a number of committees, including the
Transportation Task Force, COMPASS -- Matt is actually the chair of the regional
technical committee this year, cell phone and demographic advisory committee, the
transportation modeling committee and the -- we have the demographic advisory
committee twice. Look at that. He's only there once. There is also the neighborhood
advisory committee with ACRD, although I think Will is -- that function recently
transferred to Will. We are also on the Meridian Traffic Safety Committee and the
Blueprint for Good Growth Steering Committee. And we have also prepared a
successful application the AIC award for the pathways plan and Steve talked about that.
We also received an award or a plaque for the south Meridian transportation study and
it was recognized by the ACEC, which is the consulting -- association of consulting
engineers of Idaho in their award to Washington Group in preparation of that study.
And set up and maintain traffc websites on the city website and we are an active
community outreach on planning and transportation issues and have done
presentations to the Chamber of Commerce, participation in public workshops and other
civic groups. With regard to the GIS, this is one -- our half full-time employee. One of
the great things that I think they have done for us is they have added a layer on the GIS
that shows all of the development agreements that we have done and when you click on
that link it will take you directly to the clerk's record and show you exactly what
document is associated with that development agreement. Wanted to show you that
one, too, but I will have to wait until we are all in one building, so I will do that next year,
so -- but it is really neat and I think it will just improve our ability to give accurate
information with regard to development agreements. We have got the pathways data
and map updates. They also have worked on the online application and it extracts
information in the development services update report for enhanced communication.
They continually update our zoning maps for us, as well as take care of any of our
Comprehensive Plan map updates. They have been working at getting the historic site
inventory onto our GIS and they have also -- you may remember Caleb came to you
with a number of annexations that we had missed the opportunity when they hooked up
-- well, it was our GIS folks that noticed those originally and brought those to our
attention. We were asked to do a presentation on our fees and I just recently did a fee
update, so I'm just going to flash this at you more than anything else, so when you see it
remember that green means that the other jurisdiction is always less. Red means that
the other jurisdiction is always more. So, if the whole thing was green, that would be we
are not charging enough for -- or that we were charging too much, because everybody
was always less and if it was all red that would mean that we are not charging enough.
So, as you see it's a mix. The blue means it's unclear whether we are more or less, but
it's a good mix. I think we are right there in the middle. We, I think, do way more review
than a lot of the other communities do as far as their development projects, so -- okay.
Going on to our'09 budget. This is our year-to-year budget within enhancements. The
2006 and -- or 2007 and 2008 peaks were related to a lot of studies that I had asked to
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be funded, including the Ten Mile specific area plan, which was a fairly expensive plan.
So, you will see that there is quite a reduction this year. It's actually 14 -- the base is
reduced 14 percent or more than 14 percent. The enhancement that is shown there is
really just CDBG block grant that shows up as an enhancement and, then, it -- as Stacy
mentioned earlier, it doesn't really show up as revenue anywhere in the budget, it is
revenue, so it's not really an enhancement. We did have -- oh, the 2008 base budget
was 1.4 million -- or close to 1.6. 2009 is around 1.3. So, it is 14.57 percent decrease
in the base budget. A lot of that is as Stacy mentioned, they moved items to the
appropriate areas of other government and that includes BVEP, COMPASS, and AIC.
But lalso -- I worked with Todd to trim the base where I felt it was appropriate to really
trim that base back and I removed all the studies. There are some professional
services money in there that I typically use to -- if something comes up where I need to
use it, is the best I could say. This year I anticipate we will use it for our four mile
projects out on our western edge and I will talk about that in a little bit. We did have
some very minor enhancements. We are replacing the four antiquated desk jet printers
with one new laser printer for 3,200. We asked for a computer for the front counter
service area. We designed that area so that we can work with walk-in customers and
stand with them at the counter and I needed a computer for that. And, then, five
additional GIS -- they call them receipts for the GIS for citric service and I just know
when we get to City Hall I'm going to have a lot of people that want to make use of that
GIS and I wanted to make sure that those were available. Quite frankly, I will probably
have enough receipts for myself right now, but I really think that once people see the
value of that GIS, they are going to want to get on there and I wanted to have those.
So, the total is for 6,330 dollars. The others =- there are some other enhancements.
They are transfers to the clerk for funding a portion of their position, since they do so
much for us with regard to noticing and likewise to legal for our development
processing. And, then, the big one is the CDBG. I just wanted to remind you the value
of planning. It's not just accommodating the development requests, it really is
proactively anticipating and guiding growth, which includes new grow and in-fill
redevelopment and it's about improved standards and processes for the city and we are
really working on that with the design review and I think you're going to see a big
difference. So, what we are about is creating lasting quality developments that will
sustain the city for decades to come. And, you know, one of the things we pride
ourselves is customer service, so Barb a-mails me at about 11:30 and she said Winston
Moore sent over these great sandwiches and, you know, I was like, well, great, what did
we do for Winston, so I e-mailed back and said what did we do and she.e-mail back and
she says, well -- when I e-mailed her I said I'll find out and, then, I can tell Council what
a great job we are doing in our customer service. So, she a-mails me back and she
goes, well, the building department just came upstairs looking for their sandwiches.
Apparently, they got to the wrong office. So, I guess the building department does great
customer service as well. And with that I will hand it over to Bruce.
De Weerd: What a great segway. Did you set her up for that?
Freckleton: No. I didn't know anything about it. Honestly. Well, good afternoon. We
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Canning: Pete's good at many things, I teased him, because he's not my technical
guru.
Freckleton: Okay. Well, thank you for your time. I know you guys are -- this is pretty
brutal on you being up here all day long, so I'll try and be very concise and get through
this really quickly. This first slide we wanted to, basically, give you a snap shot of the
makeup of the building department. Our current contract personnel staff -- as you
know, we have five contracts that we let. We have plumbing, mechanical, electrical and
fire -- mechanical, electrical, fire and structural. Each one of those contracts have
subcontractors that they have. Our current level of all personnel under those contracts
is 13 at this point in time. We are -- we are showing five FTEs for building department
staff. You can see there on the left the makeup of how we arrive at that five. This next
slide, building staff versus total permits. As you know, I think you have seen the new
graph today in your budget manuals that Todd produced that -- a brand new slide that
maybe shows a little bit different permit level. What we wanted to represent here --
Todd's slide only included new residential. What we want to represent is that it's not
just new residential. We have commercial. We have -- we have tenant improvements.
We have patio covers, the works.
De Weerd: Actually, I think I combined the two and I don't know which is the right one,
because they are not dated. So, I don't know which one I'm supposed to have versus
the other. I started putting them in my book and, then, I started getting them confused
with what I just took out and I didn't know which was the updated one.
Freckleton: While he's looking at that I'll continue on here. What we have shown in our
slide is total permits. So, we have included -- we have included -- this one is my slide.
The one that's on the screen is my slide.
De Weerd: Okay. I'm sorry. Go ahead.
Freckleton: That's fine. That's fine. I want to make sure we are all tracking here.
Bird: We have got to date these, Todd, as they come out, you know. Like revised on --
at 1:00 p.m., 7/8/08.
Zaremba: Time/date stamp.
Freckleton: Okay. So, what my slide represents is all permits that are issued through
the building department, with the exception of mechanical, electrical, plumbing and fire.
And if we include those, of course, we would see higher permit levels, but what we
wanted to show is -- you know, works with our permit staff and our building staff that we
are tracking pretty well with the trend. Of course, we have not finished out 2008 yet, so
we anticipate it's going to be higher here.
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De Weerd: Yes.
Borton: This might be a picky question -- if you can go back to that other slide.
Freckleton: Sure.
Borton: This could be for you or maybe to Todd or Stacy.
Freckleton: Okay.
Borton: Or these slide confuse me that the initial point on the XX is hitting zero. See on
the right-hand side it starts at 4.5?
Freckleton: Uh-huh.
Rountree: So you can get it on the page.
Borton: It changes the location of the scatter point, if you start at a lower -- at a number
higher than zero. Five would be a lot higher relative to six, unless there is some graphic
or accounting principle I'm missing.
Rountree: The green line's going down to zero --
Freckleton: We hope not. Okay. Moving along. We are good with that.
Bird: Bruce, on your - on your employee comparison, you're not -- you're not using a
contracted one.
Freckleton: No.
Bird: Because, you know, if there is no work, they don't get paid.
Freckleton: Correct. That's a very good point.
Bird: So, we are just -- you're just using the --
Freckleton: Just the five.
Bird: -- the five people.
Freckleton: Absolutely. Absolutely. Okay. On our fiscal year '08 accomplishments, I'll
just fly through these here pretty quickly. We have done some database and tracking
system maintenance. Parcel numbering has been added to the database for address.
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try and get better coverage. Plans retention. We have been exploring new innovative
ways for plan retention and document archiving. As you can imagine, the amount of
paperwork that comes into a building department, the rolls of plans, all the documents
and everything. So, some of the things that we have been looking at is getting
electronic --
Bird: I was going to say, most plans nowadays, even though they do come out in paper,
are electronically made and I would think -- if we could get them and keep a set of them.
Freckleton: Absolutely. One thing that we are looking at doing is requiring that all new
applications, when they are submitted for the permit -- or when we issue the permit, I
should say, after corrections have been made, is that they also submit a disk with
electronic files on it. So, we would get pdf files of the construction plans and
reconstruction documents that were attached. And, then, what we will do is similar to
what we have done in Public Works upstairs is be able to use our GIS system for
access and retrieval of those documents, basically by clicking on a parcel you can pull
up a building permit for that parcel. So, those are the types of things we are looking at
there for -- for that system.
Bird: You don't have the system in place right now, is that --
Freckleton: We have components of it, yes. We have the GIS systems in place and
currently you might remember we -- we bought a large format copier scanner printer.
We have taken all of the Pubic Works documents, all the plans- for subdivision
development, all the sewer and water design plans, those have all been scanned now. I
have got five racks of plans upstairs that, basically, we will be able to send to storage
prior to moving into the new quarters and everything can now be retrieved through the
GIS system. So, we have gone to try and -- you know, trying to be more electronic,
paperless, for lack of a better term.
Bird: For records that would be great.
Freckleton: Yeah. We have been conducting monthly inspector meetings. A lot of
times we do more than monthly inspector meetings, in an effort to try and make sure
that we are promoting better communication between our contracted inspection staff
and our office personnel. Just, you know, eliminate questions, make sure we are all on
the same page moving forward. Also I think it goes a long ways to -- it gives us more
opportunity to communicate expectations as well. In addition, we also -- we have also
kicked off a project evaluation analysis and this one's a really, really cool deal. Brent
Bjornson has been on top of this. For lack of a better term, I call it loss prevention
efforts. Basically, what we are doing is we are scrutinizing more closely the project
scopes of work when they come in with permit apps. We are also looking at new permit
request forms, making sure that they are accurate when contractors are submitting
them to us. Basically, it's a competency tracking and monitoring has produced
additional revenue. We have literally been able to recover through this effort tens of
thousands of dollars in permit fees, basically by contractors misstating values, we are
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holding them more accountable, making sure that you have given us values, you know,
we are looking at them. We are scrutinizing them. And if we don't think it's accurate,
we are going to question you on them and we are -- like I said, tens of thousands of
dollars we have been able to -- to recover. We have also added a lot more informative
language on our website that reflects the most common inspection related code
compliance issues. Our gals downstairs have created a lot of standard reports that aid
management, so that we are not having to go and search and -- search and destroy
missions trying to find information that we need. Now it's provided to us in standard
report form.
De Weerd: You still have the search and destroy.
Freckleton: Do you?
De Weerd: Waiting for our new report.
Freckleton: We need to talk, find out what you need.
De Weerd: Okay.
Freckleton: We started this, you know, when Brent was hired in '05. We have been
doing field surveys. We go out, we talk to -- I told him I want a minimum of five contacts
with each trade. I want structural. I want mechanical, electrical, plumbing, fire. We are
trying to stay in touch with our customers needs, find out what they need from us, how
we can provide better service. Also it's an effort to find out if they have any problems
with our service. Any inspections in the field. Any of those sort of things. So, I got to
say we really have gotten good results. We have had a few things that have cropped
up. We have been able to jump on them and address them I feel before they become
big issues. And so this has been a very valuable tool. We have been working on
updating our permit request forms, handouts for the public, and other documents. Just,
again, trying to provide better levels of customer service. The department web page
has been improved. We have taken a lot of our application forms that we have had on
our web page and we have converted them to electronically Tillable forms, so applicants
can pull up the application right on the web site, electronically fill it in, and hit the print
button and they can walk right into the office with an electronically filled out form and
that's -- that's a pretty cool feature. We continue to enhance and evaluate our process
for plan in-take meetings and our early foundation permits. The early foundation
permits is something that we implemented following the last process improvement
group that we went through. This has been hugely valuable to the construction
community, being able to get started within a two week period of time of submitting their
applications, because they are out there working on underslab utilities and foundation
work, while we continue to finish reviewing the complete permit for issuance. So, it's
getting them -- it's getting them in the ground quicker and time is money. Next few
slides I just wanted to give you kind of just a sample representation of some of the
projects that we have done in 2008. This is Jim Baker's new world headquarters, I think
is what he likes to call it. Just to give you an idea, there is 17 separate permits that
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have been issued on this building. Thirty-four inspections were conducted, three
applications, and plan in-take meetings.
De Weerd: For the one building?
Freckleton: For the one building. Because they had a tenant improvement.
Bird: That 17 permits, that included tenant improvements.
Freckleton: Correct. Correct.
Bird: Only 34 inspections.
Freckleton: This building has not even received it's C of O yet.
Bird: Okay. Because that's -- for 17 permits, I don't care if they are El's or what they
are, for 34 inspections is awful low.
Freckleton: Yeah. Yeah. You will see a more representative example coming up.
None of the projects I'm going to show you have received their C of O's yet, so they are
still --
Bird: Oh. Okay.
Freckleton: -- in some phase of construction. Next project is the L shaped multi-tenant
building out at Portico. You may have seen the octagonal comer to that building.
Bird: See, that is -- there you go, there is 11 permits with 30 inspections and they are
farther along than Dennis' is.
Freckleton: It think Dennis is a little further along.
Bird: Is Dennis a little further along?
Freckleton: Yeah. Yeah.
Bird: That one's about ready to move into it.
Freckleton: Yeah. That one's really close. But, again, that's a shell. There is TI on one
yet. That's just a shell. This is the Norco building that's currently under construction up
at the Marketplace up at Eagle and Ustick. Thirteen permits, 25 inspections so far. You
can see it's, basically, a cold shell. One application. One plan in-take meeting. This
one is more representative, Keith, of where you're talking. C&A Elementary. Thirteen
permits, 97 inspections so far. It still has not received C of O either. One application.
One plan intake meeting.
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De Weerd: I think Mountain View High School was --
Freckleton: Oh, Mountain View was huge. It was huge.
Bird: Yeah. Mountain View and Rocky Mountain both.
Freckleton: Yeah.
Bird: You get in there and you have got a lot of safety stuff you needed, too.
Freckleton: Well, yeah, there is a lot of mechanical stuff that they did more than once.
Bird: We are talking about Mountain View now.
Freckleton: Okay. This graphic -- you guys have seen this over the years. I bring it to
you every time we do one of these things. Basically, this is what you probably already
know from the market. The thing that's interesting about this particular slide is look at
the percentages of the commercial, how they continue to increase. You know, we had,
you know, seven -- we have 12.2 percent of all of the volume that we did was
commercial. So, far as of the end of June 7.4 percent of our volume was commercial. I
anticipate that we are going to see a number, you know, 13, 14 percent by the end of
the fiscal year, which is -- you know, it's pretty common that you see the cyclical trend of
whenever you see residential start dropping off your commercial picks up somewhat
and it's just a cycle and this kind of proves that out. This wasn't -- another
representative, this one's in dollars, though. Again, you can see that trend of the
commercial starting to pick up. Commercial construction values are going up. Cost of
construction is going way up, so --
De Weerd: Personally I like that trend.
Freckleton: I do, too. I do, too. Especially since, you know, we were last year in front
of you with a permit fee increase and we hadn't had the increase for 13 years. We go
that increase in place, the numbers we are seeing now are based on our new permit
fee, so -- which is a good segway into what we are doing here. Residential permit fee
comparison across the valley. Permit fee based on 160,000 dollar construction value,
which is -- you know, it's pretty low for residential, but it's agood -- a good comparison
across the board. Average permit fee across the board is 1,620 dollars. Meridian is 15
percent lower than the average, which equates to -- on that 160,000 dollar value permit
is 255. It's not a whole lot. Commercial permit fee comparison is based on a 6,500
square foot building, which is roughly equivalent to say the Ram Pub over on Eagle
Road. Average permit fee across the valley, 11,168.64. We -- right now we are
expecting 3.7 percent above the average. We are not the highest in the valley, we are
3.7 percent above the average, which equates to $409.86. And, again, you know, going
back to those permit fees that we -- we put in place last year. You know, we were told
our commercial -- they are not paying their way, you know, and so we had to
intentionally try to get our permits on commercial up a little, so -- okay. This slide --
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Anna kind of hammered in on this number again just a minute ago and I will hammer
again on it, too. This is our building department revenue versus expenses over the
years. You know, the -- during peak times our staff -- you know, I feel like our staff
spend less quality time, because they were so busy. You know, we are spending more
quality time now. The important thing to point out is that revenues still are out pacing
expenses and, you know, again, over the six year period we have transferred 270,000
dollars -- or 270,083 dollars to the General Fund capital improvement fund on to budget.
Base budget, reduction following market trend. Second year in a row that we have
reduced our base budget, kind of trying to tighten the belt in response to the market.
Four percent reduction overall in the base going into fiscal year'09. I will show you here
in just a minute on that 17 percent reduction in staff, where we are going there.
Basically, a hundred percent reduction in enhancements. I'm not asking for any
enhancements this year. So, building base budget, there is fiscal year'08 versus fiscal
year '09. Overall the decrease is four percent. We did this by trimming items, working
with Todd, sitting down, going through, trimming items that we could. Also from -- you
know, one of the things that we cut out that I think is a great accomplishment is we don't
do hardly any outside printing anymore. We used to have all of our forms sent out to be
printed and that sort of thing. We are now producing all of our documents in house. So,
all of the inspection cards that we are doing, they are coming off our laser printers. We
set them up to be able to do it in house. So, we are saving a bunch of money there.
We have also -- you know, working with finance, a lot of items got moved to appropriate
areas with the consolidation for City Hall and that sort of thing. Reduced enhancements
from '08 as I mentioned. I'm not asking for anything. We had one position on the
books, it was a funded position, for a permit tech that we are losing. We are eliminating
that. No enhancements requested, as I said. Going to the future challenges and
opportunities. Planning and building -- this is where we are going to tag team again.
Canning: It's a problem when you have got such different heights between you. There
is a couple of things we wanted to do together. We talked a little bit about this idea of a
project sponsor or manager or advocate -- we don't know what we'd call it, but some
way to have a selection criteria for certain projects where they would be based on the
fact that they are bringing family wage jobs or something like that, but having those
projects have a sponsor that makes sure they get through all the loops -- or all the
hoops without any loops, perhaps that's the way to say it. So, that's one idea that we
want to work on this upcoming year and see if we can implement and it sounds as if
Tom Barry has worked with that kind of situation before and so I'm sure he will provide
us wonderful insights on the matter. Another one that we'd like to do is within the
Planning Department it does require building department assistance as well, but a step
guide for applicants and I did one of these when Oracle was looking at coming to town
and it's a fairly complicated process, they had three or four things they needed to do, so
just sat down and figured out, okay, you need to do this first, then, you need to do this
and I think it would be a real great service to folks that aren't familiar with the area. You
know, it's not for the Brighton Corporation that's got it down pat, it's for the lady that
needs a variance for her fence. You know, just the -- this is what -- when you need to
contact the sign company to post your property kind of stuff. Really basic step by step.
So, we'd like to add those as well. We'd like to expand the pre-application presence to
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include building and the fire department, so that we get those issues worked out prior to
them submitting their application or at least -- not worked out, but at least out in the
open. And, then, I'd like to work together to come up with some low impact
development or green building standards. We'd also like to work -- enhance our
comments meeting participation, really work out the conditions of approval as to where
we come up with the conditions of approval, we'd like to focus in on those and make
sure we are seeing who is responsible for what at what time and right now some of
them aren't as clear as they could be and I really just want to go through all the planning
department comments, all the public works, all of fire, and the SSC, all the police
department ones, and really work with those organizations to come up with very clear
conditions of approval. It would be wonderful to get ACHD participation and ITD
participation at those comments meetings as well. I will have to move to a different day
to get ACHD, but I think that that's worthwhile if we can get them to attend. And the
planning and GIS we'd like to work together to -- on a layer that shows the outstanding
violations, so if somebody calls and says they want to do a conditional use here and we
see that there is an outstanding violation we say, oh, that's fine, you can submit your
application, but we are not going to process this until that outstanding violation is
cleared and that is a code requirement that we can hold those things up if there is an
outstanding violation. With Planning and the Police Department, we have been talking
about this for awhile and I think, you know, now that we are not all frantically rushing
around it really is time to sit down and look at some of those crime prevention through
environmental design standards that we can incorporate into .the zoning ordinance or
the Unified Development Code and make those -- make it a safe community and, then,
also we'd like #o get a code enforcement tracking system. We talked about the
improvements we have made in the enforcement and one of the tools that we feel we
need is a way to track it, so that they are not playing us against one another and that
happens a lot. They will call the Building Department and ask an ambiguous question
and get an answer for it and, then, they will call the Planning Department and give kind
of a somewhat different ambiguous question and they will get a different answer and,
then, they come back and they say, well, you gave us two different answers, you know.
So, we just want to make sure that they are not playing us against each other and we'd
like to come up with a tracking system so that we can work on that. With Parks we
would like to work on their implementation for the pathways. Pete Friedman is working
with the Parks Commission to identify specific routes that they would like to prioritize in
the pathways construction and acquisition -- easement acquisition. With regard to the
planning process, we are going to work on implementing design review and, then,
assessing other necessary tools for the downtown area. We are going to work on that
online database that I showed you as far as the staff report function and also application
submittal with that. And, then, as always we are working on the area of city impact, the
Title 9 agreement, and we seem to be moving forward on that issue for right now. As
far as zoning amendments, we need to work on the private streets and gates. The
industrial parking lot screening. We had talked at one point about some property
maintenance provisions that's probably a lesser priority. We are looking at having the
city do the property posting and we will bring that to you for your consideration.
Generally as well about half the time that things get continued is because the applicant
didn't post properly. So, that would make the agendas go faster and smoother,
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suppose. We also need to look at electronic billboards and our sign code, the
proliferation of new electronics with regard to signs has made our sign ordinance
outdated quickly, unfortunately, so we need to look at that. And, then, also looking at
some xeriscape options for landscaping and we have worked with the building
department and I guess more appropriately the Public Works. With regard to the
Comprehensive Plan, we don't have any major changes that we anticipate this year.
We would like to reformat it, just to kind of pull out the clutter and just get to the pithy the
stuff, make it -- reformat it for ease of use and implementation. Also I'd like to add
transit corridors and mobility discussion. And, then, one project we are working on --
talked to the Mayor about this, the University of Idaho students in the urban design lab
will be looking at the four square mile area on our western edge bounded by Can-Ada,
Ustick, McDermott, and Chinden, and they are going to use that as a study project to
look at urban design and comp plan issues and they will be working with our staff. It's,
basically, a no cost to the city -- minimal cost. I think we are going to -pay for their
supplies. And it just gives us an opportunity to start looking at the area and start
discussing it with those residents and start coming up with some ideas of how to fold
that into the city. It's a very distinct and set apart area, especially as the Highway 16
extension goes down it could be bounded by two state facilities, so just looking at
planning for that area.
Bird: We did that once before. They did it on another part. Bruce, you probably
remember this. One of the University of Idaho students did that and did a beautiful job.
Canning: Yeah. And it's Sheree McKibben again, she's working with her students, and
she's very excited and I think it will be a great -- great project.
Freckleton: Another future challenge and opportunity is abatement of dangerous
buildings. Over the last couple of years I have worked pretty closely with Deputy Chief
Silva, we have identified several buildings that we have been working on trying to get
abated. We do have one that we are going to see some closure on this year. It's going
to be be nice to see. We do have several dilapidated buildings in town that do pose a
danger, so -- next is Building and Police. Through the Building Department we have
teamed up on several zoning code violations. A good example would be our patio cover
stuff that we have been dealing with. Illegal patio covers. And so we got -- developed
some great working relationships with these -- these different departments. Building
Department technology I see as another future challenge. We need to be able to -- to
be able to provide remote access to the permitting system for our field personnel. One
of the things that I routinely hear is you need a system like they have in Nampa and
Boise, you know, where their inspectors in the field can be able to pull up realtime
information on the permits, be able to write correction notices in the field, print them on
a mobile printer right in the field, the information is uploaded instantaneously to the
office. So, I think that that would be a wondertul addition. Ability to accept credit and
debit card transactions, another thing that we hear a lot of; so -- ability to share
information with the entire enterprise, which allows our customers to have 24-7 access
to the building information when they submit applications and when they want to find out
the status of inspections and permits, they have that available to them. Interaction of
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Building with all other departments. You know, just additional coordination,
communication, with regard to temporary use permits. Fireworks sales tents, Christmas
tree lots, area day events, Scarecrow Festival, just to name a few where we have had to
come together trying to find good ways of dealing with these in an efficient manner. So,
our summary.
Canning: Our summary is we have told you who we are and, basically, what we do, the
customers we serve and, then, what we have done, our accomplishments for fiscal year
'08. Where we are and where we have been. And a little bit of our history. And what
we need and, basically, we are not really asking for enhancements this year, we are
asking to just continue on.
Kilchenmann: Mayor and Council, I do want to -- I'm sorry, you guys, I have to add this
footnote. You really are asking for an enhancement in the Enterprise software, which a
great deal of that is for the Building Department and Planning, but it's being asked from
the General Fund, because you don't have -- we are not budgeting funds to cover it.
Canning: Stacy .Kill Joy over there. We will answer any questions.
De Weerd: Stacy Kill Joy.
Freckleton: This is where we duck.
Bird: I was going to say, Stacy, why did you have to --
Freckleton: Rain on the parade.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes.
Bird: I got a comment or two. Bruce, I know we have changed our policy that only one
person writes building permits. We have more than one now.
Freckleton: Writes permits?
Bird: Daunt is the only one -- Daunt is the only one that issues permits now? Daunt.
Thank you. You did a great job on it. I appreciate what you did forme. I appreciate the
nine million dollars that we have put in from that -- to the departments since '03, but if
you look on your fees and stuff, I think a lot of those fees are -- cover the parks, fire, and
police and administration. So, while we appreciate it, it's still just part of the fees.
Canning: I don't think we -- I don't think Bruce includes the impact fees in his
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Bird: You collect them and that's part of the -- that's part of your profit that you turn
back and I appreciate that, don't get me wrong, I'm just -- I'm just stating that there is
stuff in there that --
Zaremba: Madam Mayor, is that just a pass through, you go --
Freckleton: Yeah. I don't believe that those fees were reflected --
Bird: Well, you wouldn't have any safety until last year or the year before.
Kilchenmann: What's the question?
Canning: The question is are the impact fees included on the Building Department
revenue.
Kilchenmann: No.
Bird: They are not? Oh. Okay.
Kilchenmann: They go -- when we record the revenue, they go straight to the impact
fee fund.
Bird: Okay.
Kilchenmann: And they show up in their respective parts, fire and police departments,
as revenue.
Bird: Okay.
Freckleton: The way that we code it when it's sent over to finance.
Bird: I still appreciate the nine million dollars.
Kilchenmann: 8.2.
Bird: I just rounded it up to make them feel good.
De Weerd: Any other questions from Council or Anna or Bruce?
Rountree: I have none.
Bird: I have none.
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De Weerd: Okay. One last presentation on Other Govemment, which should be short
and I think Todd -- Todd is doing that? He looks excited about it, too. It will first be 01
and, then, 05.
Lavoie: Mayor, Members of the Council, it's been long. We will make this quick for you.
New for this year -- I do have aslide -- it's on the computer, but I will make it quick for
you. New for '09 in the way of accounting City Hall expenses, you will notice that there
is three tabs in your book called Other Government, 01, 15, 16. You have always had
the 01 fund, which is your General Fund Other Government. It's always existed. We
are introducing the Development Services Other Govemment and we are also
introducing the Enterprise Fund Other Government. And the reason we are doing this is
-- in FY-09.
De Weerd: Enterprise Fund.
Lavoie: Yeah. Enterprise will be in a separate book. I apologize. You will see that on
Monday. The reason we did this with the new City Hall and the consolidation of many of
the city departments, we felt that we could consolidate a lot of these expenses, as you
have heard from the other directors, stating that some of their decreases were
associated with telephones, electricity. We pulled all the expenses into Other
Government. We have also pulled in other city type dues that the city is responsible for
that we used to actually keep track in Anna's department, the Planning Department. We
also used to keep track in Public Works. The reason we did that was we wanted to
represent the expenses on the actual fund, but now we have created two new
departments, Other Govemment, and we can now put the expenses in the Other
Govemment fund and when you now look at Planning, Planning represents Planning. It
does not have any other City Hall expenses. When you look at Public Works, Public
Works represents Public Works. The Other Govemment is -- our goal is represent the
city. It could be like a -- like I said, electricity, gas, dues -- the city has numerous dues.
I think some where brought up. BVEP. There is other dues. COMPASS dues.
Transportation dues. Those are all going to be associated inside the Other
Govemment. I don't think I gave you a dues and -- a dues worksheet. I can give you
that just so you can see the breakdown where monies go and where they are sitting. I
can easily print that out for you. And so that's new for'09 is the Other Govemment and,
like I said, you have heard a number of directors state that we did kind of play with their
budget and move some money around. And you will see that's going to be represented
in the Other Government line items. And how we came up with it, you know, like I said,
the examples are gas, postage, you know, janitorial, building maintenance -- we did the
best estimate that we could coming into a brand new building. A lot of us have never
built a new building, especially a hundred thousand square foot green building, and
trying to figure out the expenses that we are going to have for this new City Hall -- we
did our best. We know we are not a hundred percent perfect and we are going to
hopefully be --
Bird: I can't believe that an accountant would say that.
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Lavoie: Yeah.
Bird: Did you say that you're not a hundred percent right?
De Weerd: No, she wouldn't say it, but --
Lavoie: There you go. So, we did our best guess on the expenses, you know. After
two or three years when we are moved into the City Hall and after a few hot and cold
summers and hot and cold winters, we will be able to give you a good analysis on what
the building costs us compared to our old existing expenses and until then it's just all
guesswork. A lot of it is just our best guess that we can do. That's -- I mean, yeah,
that's the best -- after three years after another analysis we can give you agood -- good
hard number. So, that would represent the Other Government, the three new funds.
can stand here for any questions. Well, actually, I apologize. I do have one
enhancement. That is for the Arts Commission and Robert will present that to you.
Simmons: I have a couple slides on this one, but the Arts Commission came up with a
proposal for this upcoming year about what they truly think that they are going to need
in spending authority to do some new art projects for the City Hall. I think the key thing
to recognize from this is they have a ten thousand dollar budget, which is given to them
annually. They seem to remember a Council decision on January 22nd of 2008 when
they were offered 5,000 additional dollars from Council, that they --
De Weerd: They seem to remember that?
Simmons: They seem to remember -- yeah. The money was never actually -- no
budget amendment was done, but they would like to have it included in this upcoming
year as part of that proposal. The remaining 25,850 dollars would be from money from
their grant. Monies that they have already received from donations so far, as well as
future donations for that spending authority. So, the real impact of the 15,000 dollars for
their budget from the General f=und, 10,000, which they annually get and 5,000 from
which Council already said that they would do. So, if you have any specific questions,
would be happy to answer them.
De Weerd: Okay. Council, any questions on this item?
Bird: Yeah. Robert, you're telling -- they are going to raise the 15,850 and we are just
putting in ten and five or are we putting another ten in?
Simmons: You're putting in 15 total.
Bird: Okay.
Simmons: And they are putting in --
Bird: They are going to raise that --
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Simmons: Correct. They have already raised 5,000 of it and 9,600 is from a grant. So,
really, they are --
Bird: So, actually, we are just actually getting 15,000 right now.
Simmons: Correct.
Bird: And anything that they don't pick up.
Simmons: Correct.
Bird: They want to make extra and I'm okay with it, but we are actually giving them
30,850 dollars. That's what we are giving them out of this budget.
De Weerd: Spending authority.
Bird: And we hope that they return 15,850 by -- through donations. If they can't --
Simmons: We will have Todd keep an eye on --
Bird: Then, Todd will --
De Weerd: Rita will go out.
Bird: Todd will donate it out of his paycheck.
Simmons: I think that that's what he agreed to, yes.
Bird: Is your wife okay with that, Todd?
Simmons: It's something that we will work with Finance to keep on eye on.
Bird: No, I'm not worried about that, I just want to ma~Ce it clear to the public that,
actually, we are budgeting 30,850 dollars.
Simmons: Well, total budget is 40,850, is the total number that they will --
Bird: Yeah. But we don't -- the 10,000 of it was already budgeted.
Simmons: Correct. But the enhancement is --
Bird: Yeah. But this year we are doing 30.
De Weerd: They are asking for an additional five to this next year's enhancement?
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Simmons: Well, they are asking for five to be covered through the General Fund. So,
6,000 from Council that they had already discussed.
Bird: That's part of this, isn't it?
De Weerd: No.
Simmons: Yes, it is.
Bird: Yes, it is.
Simmons: It's in this number that they have prepared.
De Weerd: Oh. Okay.
Bird: They had ten from last year and it's already been budgeted and taken care of.
We promised them five in May, but we did not put in the budget.
Simmons: Correct.
Bird: And, then, we got ten for this year, but they need 30 -- 50 and they are going to
raise the other, we hope.
Simmons: Yes.
Bird: If not, we got the 3,850. Okay. I agree.
De Weerd: Okay. And where is Bill Nary?
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes.
Zaremba: I have a question for Todd. As I look through the Other Govemment and
what is included in there, they are not all governments, some of them are utilities and
stuff like that, which brings me to the question couldn't we wrap the street lighting --
instead of it being a separate line item, shouldn't it just be wrapped into this new group?
Lavoie: Well, historically, street lighting has always been its own department, so
guess that would be our chief, she would have to answer the question whether or not
we want to eliminate a department and consolidate. So, they would like to know why
and if we can put street lights into what is known as Other Govemment.
Kilchenmann: You probably could --
Zaremba: I'm not hearing you.
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Kilchenmann: You could. I think you would always want to keep it a line item, so you
knew how much street lights cost.
Zaremba: Yeah. I would keep it separate, but I don't see why it needs to be a whole
separate department. A separate line item within Other Governments.
Bird: We went through street lights every year in some department or something else.
Now we got it by itself, so thank God it's there and it's a line item and will never change.
Kilchenmann: There. There is your answer.
Bird: Would you start -- every year you go through as to which department is it in, but
now you got it by yourself.
Zaremba: But the idea behind creating the Other Govemments department was to do
the same thing with several others that have the same problem. They don't really
belong anywhere. I mean I don't have a problem with leaving it separate, but it just
seems to me if you're creating this other basket for things that don't belong anywhere
else, street lighting would fit in that basket I would think.
Kilchenmann: I don't know the history of why it stands alone, but it is sort of a function
in and of itself.
Zaremba: Okay.
Bird: It always has.
Zaremba: It's not a problem. Just asking a question.
®e Weerd: Well, we did ask a question on this one, on -- to seek Council's direction
before we expend more staff time on trying to figure out the street light dilemma. It
continues to increase in cost and as people want street lights put in that in parts of town
that weren't, is this a utility that Council desires information to come back to them and --
on afee type of basis? And I know that was asked in Stacy's presentation, but before
we expend the necessary staff time to expand our research on that, we would rather
have direction on as Council wants that kind of analysis done. Because we keep trying
to figure out what to do with street lights and who is responsible when a new street light
needs to be put in, we don't budget for that kind of stuff, but if it is a fee based thing, you
would have capital that could put in lights where safety lighting is needed or on citizen
request, those kind of things.
Bird: Madam Mayor, my question and the reason that I have had no problem with the
street lights is because we required it and, basically, every street light is a safety feature
and we are going to see more and more of it downtown, I hope, as downtown starts
developing. So, I'd love to see it be able to put the cost off onto somebody else, but,
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actually, if we are requiring it and stuff -- and you have got to have somebody that will
maintain and take care of it. And I guess that is -- I don't like to. I guess that's our
responsibility I feel. We are requiring it. I don't have any problem -- I mean I do -- I wish
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them. It's where new lights are needed, who is responsible for putting those in. We
assume the responsibility for maintaining those. And those are the questions we --
Bird: And I agree with you, but not every location has a homeowners association or
something that could -- .would be able to take that maintenance -- or that replacement
cost.
De Weerd: Well, give it some thought and, you know, we can ask the question again,
but -- unless you want to just say forget it, we will just keep it as it is. And, then, that's
how we will do it. But you want to remember, it's going to get -- as we develop it's going
to get larger.
De Weerd: And that's the conundrum.
Rountree: So, the question in terms of expanding budget is the installation or the
expanding cost of power and maintenance?
De Weerd: Both. I mean there is --
Rountree: Well, it seems to me that installation of a new street light, whether it's in a
new development or an old development, is the responsibility of whoever determines
the need. We don't have a criteria that would establish any need in Old Town. If
somebody wants to put a street light in Old Town or in their neighborhood in Old Town,
then, they fund it. If it's put in appropriately and consistent with the rest of our facilities,
then, we maintain it. My question is who in the city is responsible for it? Is it Public
Works? Is it Parks and Rec?
De Weerd: It has been Public Works. Carrie has been doing it.
Rountree: Came has been doing it.
De Weerd: Uh-huh.
Bird: Charlie, what -- now, this -- I thought we were talking about replacing one. I think
the cost is up to the developer or whoever is putting in the thing to put the original one
in, but I thought, Mayor, you said who. is responsible for replacing it.
De Weerd: The developer is long gone by the time we need to replace a light.
Bird: But he's responsible for putting up the original.
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Bird: To our specifications. That's the way I understood it.
Rountree: Per our requirement.
Bird: Per our requirement.
Rountree: And if they get run over and we can catch who did it, their insurance
company will pay for it, otherwise, we pay for it. Because we required it in the first
place.
De Weerd: So -- but the question asked to keep it the way it is by covering it in general
funds.
Bird: Yeah.
De Weerd: Okay.
Rountree: General Fund.
De Weerd: And not refer to the fee to be assessed.
Rountree: I don't know how you would establish it.
Bird: They are not cheap.
De Weerd: Okay. Any other questions for Todd?
Zaremba: I wouldn't dare.
De Weerd: Okay. Thank you, Todd. Okay. Council, it's 3:30. Do you want to launch
right into discussion? Let's take a quick break. ,
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De Weerd: It is my second language.
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Bird: Did you go to Moscow High?
De Weerd: Yes, I did, and I'm proud of it.
Bird: Are you sure the Vandals didn't rub off on you?
Siddoway: Good evening, Mayor and Council, I did take your comments to heart and --
the name is -- it says FY-09 budget revision. I took the challenge and I went back -- I
took the comments and I went back and sharpened the pencil. I've actually taken a cue
from police and fire. I don't think I did as good a job of telling some of the story of some
of the other enhancements that we thought we needed, but already from -- from our
proposed budget and I'm not going to spend a lot of time on it, because they are not in
it, but we did have an enhancement that's been withdrawn for a parks and pathways
planner. We do feel we will need that position, but right now, as Anna mentioned in her
presentation, for this year we are teaming up with the Planning Department to try and fill
that need, but we do want to significantly move forward our pathway plan
implementation and, then, Settlers Village Square phase two, I had originally hoped to
include that in next year's budget allocation, but at 1.2 million dollars that did not seem
likely. So, we have withdrawn that enhancement for next year as well. So, in terms of
some hard numbers, I have come up with about 217 -- almost 218 thousand dollars of
actual hard money that we could cut. So, I don't know if we have a clicker or -- we .can
just go to the next slide. On Heroes Park, one of our line items in that is construction
management and with the recent approval of that new contract manager position that
we are going to share with Public Works, we can cut that line item I believe to about
72,000 dollars. I have also been talking this moming, since our meeting with Tom Bany
and we are accepting reclaimed water -- or we are going to be accepting reclaimed
water from the wastewater treatment plant into Heroes Park. As part of that we have
the ability to fund a portion of our improvements with the Enterprise Fund through that
reclaimed water and also, Tom, would you like to just come up and say a word about
that. What I would point out, though, is that 78,000 dollars would be dependent on
approving that -- that project, which I know is not being heard until Monday. But let me
let Tom talk about that for just a minute.
Bany: Thank you, Steve. Madam Mayor, Members of the Council. Mr. Siddoway and I
got together this moming after we -- we took on the challenge of trying to find
partnership opportunities with regard to this particular project. One of the things I think
that we can do, since we are trying to utilize our reclaim -- our reclaimed water
resources for a number of different reasons. One, to lower the demand on domestic or
potable water, which affects the water utility. Also, to find a useful medium by which we
can distribute our reclaimed water or reused water. As you know, we have
infrastructure in place that will be serving Heroes Park grassland areas with our
reclaimed water. We feel that we can also use that reclaimed water to a couple of other
advantages. One, utilizing the reclaimed water on the parks site, as well as any other
site that we can find that we can put the reclaimed water on will help us to reduce our
phosphorus loading, because as you know on a presentation that was given several
months ago, we are under a heightened sense of regulatory urgency in need as it
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relates to the phosphorus nutrients at the wastewater treatment plant. You heard that
the estimate for our particular plant, based on consultants working with the lower Boise
River watershed group, is on the order of about 35 million dollars to attain 98 percent
phosphorus removal, of which we have zero requirement -- zero percentage
requirement removal currently. So, if we can reduce the loadings in phosphorus by
diverting our effluent as a treated resource and using it for irrigation sources, we could
significantly, we believe, reduce our costs for the improvements to the wastewater
treatment plant. What better way to do this than to find partnership with golf courses,
parks departments, other places, and utilize that reclaimed water, not just for irrigation,
but also for use in toilets, for use in urinals, for use in other sources where that product
could be very useful. So, we feel that we could work with the Parks Department on not
only finding a source or a -- what do I say, a user for that product, but more importantly -
- and this is very important to our ability to be successful with our efforts to move
forward on reclaimed water, and that is we need to prepare ourselves to educate our
public as it relates to the utilization of reclaimed or reused water. As many of you know,
there may and often is an unfavorable perception as it relates to the utilization of
reclaimed water. One of the things that Steve and I talked about was utilizing Heroes
Park and several components of the park itself, whether it be the pond that we are going
to be storing the reclaimed water in and creating water features from that or in the
restroom facility with signage that states that this is for flushing toilets and urinals with
reclaimed water, recycled water, or it would be the irrigation of the park land itself.
There are opportunities here to use Heroes Park as a showcase for the community, an
educational piece, if you will, to demonstrate how we can utilize that resource, instead
of wasting it to Five Mile Creek. So, for this reason we believe it's a great partnership
and we would love to work with the Parks Department on bringing about the educational
opportunities and the visibility that we know we are going to need in order to find
appropriate places for us to utilize this resource. So, for that reason we think that we
can share some of the costs at Heroes Park. The construction documentation for a
portion of the restroom facility, we could bear some of those costs. You have got the
full description as it relates to cost for Heroes Park. We would be -- we would be in a
position, since we would have to plumb the building two ways, one with purple pipes for
reclaimed water. We wouldn't recommend plumbing the sink, for example, with
reclaimed water, just in the event somebody went to fill up a cup or something from the
sink, it's not suitable for drinking, but it's suitable for -- it is highly treated class A
reclaimed water, so it's suitable for many other needs. The restroom building itself
contributing a cost of 50,000 of the original 210,000, I believe. And so it's a small
portion, but on utilizing that as an opportunity. The irrigation costs originally 10,000
dollars. We might be able to bear a small portion, maybe three to five thousand dollars
of that. The signage, we believe that we want to put up additional signs and also we
could help partner with the signage required at Heroes Park to help bring about an
educational opportunity for the folks who will be utilizing the park. We talked also about
utilizing some of those funds for the installation of water or drought tolerant needed
plants, for example, that also might lead into another project which we would really like
to consider at some point in the future and that is something like a water wise garden,
something that we can go and plant a bunch of water tolerant or drought tolerant plants
and showcase the types of plants as an educational piece, so we can get people
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moving towards xeriscaping or towards not so much xeriscaping, but, essentially,
towards plants that are suited to the environment with which we live. And, then, of
course, because some of the costs are bome or would be bome presumably if Council
approves this idea, we would take on some of the contingency associated with the cost
related to the utilization of the reclaimed water. So, we believe with the construction
management savings that Public Works would take on, which was one of the reasons
we justified that position was recently approved. In addition to the reclaimed water
partnership, we can take off almost 150,000 dollars off that project, which is about a 15
percent savings. I'll let Steve talk to the rest of the other parts here that he'd got, but,
essentially, I do want to mention that if we move down this track and we partner with the
Parks Department, and you have got the little note at the bottom here, it would be
contingent upon Council approving an enhancement in the Enterprise Fund or by Public
Works for that difference in cost, which would not be the 149, but it, actually, would
78,000. So, if that's not approved and you approved this as it is, keep in mind that this
project will be compromised and you're going to need to approve -- if you're going to
move the project forward and if it's conceived, you need to -- you need to keep in' mind
where the dollars are going, because we don't want to half fund it, if you will. So, with
that I will Steve continue.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes.
Zaremba: There is probably no data on this, but just by instinct I would think that the
reclaimed water is even safer than the current irrigation water.
Barry: We have been told that by people, but I don't have any data on it yet. But, yeah,
there are many claims out there that the class A reclaimed water that we will be
producing at the plant is going to be at or better than the water quality coming from the
imgation ditches. I don't have hard facts on that yet, though. So, we are not able to --
I'm not able justify that. But it is a claim that's out there.
Zaremba: Thank you.
De Weerd: And, Steve, in light of the time constraints right now, Council does have this
in front of them. Do you want him to go through slide by slide or --
Siddoway: Do you want me to just jump to the summary at the end?
De Weerd: Yeah.
Borton: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes.
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Borton: I will interject really quick on another topic that there is absolutely no data on,
but probably one of the coolest things that I have just seen is to watch Public Works and
Parks trying to create a solution to share resources, you know, help buddy up, so to
speak, and it's just awesome to watch you guys try and do that and Tom talks about i1
being a positive information opportunity for the community, so --
Siddoway: Thank you. If we could go to the very last slide, then. What I did was go
through each of the enhancements and look for cost savings. But in the summary, the
Heroes Park project we can save 149,884 dollars. For Settlers Square, phase one,
while I do believe we will need the full amount, so I don't have a negative number over
there, we can recover those fees back into the General Fund and make them
reimbursed with impact fees that come in at a future date and/or transfer that amount to
and eligible impact fee -- impact fee eligible park. The truck -- we did some additional
work with Chief Lavey in looking at state bids. I think we can cut about 4,600 dollars off
of that and still get a truck that will work for us. Heritage Middle School fencing, we can
take the 20,000 dollars off that was offered by the school district. For the tree inventory
software, I'm proposing that we take off the 7,600 dollars associated that with Tree
Works software and the software maintenance, keep the rest of that enhancement intact
and we will begin by doing infield locations using the GPS unit and the software itself.
And the Christmas decorations we can take off 35,700 on the original request, for a total
reduction of 217,000 dollars and with that I will stand for any questions.
De Weerd: Okay. Council, any questions?
Bird: Yeah, Madam Mayor, I have got one question.
Siddoway: You bet.
Bird: My big concern in Heroes is -- is the restroom. I mean I think we can go a year
without the playground and stuff like that, you know, but I hate to see anything go
without at least a restroom and I take it you got a maintenance and concession building
all in one.
Siddoway: It's all in one structure, yes.
Bird: And you -- on this one deal you're showing -- here you're showing 208,000 dollars
for that building --
Siddoway: For that building. Yes.
Bird: -- there, .plus whatever the architectural plans would cost for the building. The
playground, I think you -- I know there is recycled stuff for that. I have a feeling the
shelters and stuff, I'd like to see -- take an application to SWAC for fees on that, but --
Siddoway: We certainly can for the playground.
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Bird: One thing I -- I -- the other stuff don'f bother me. I just want to -- but I think we got
to have that restroom maintenance and --
Siddoway: Yeah. And I would propose, just from what I know about the park and
commitment to the neighborhood, that I think we need that playground this coming year
also.
De Weerd: We'll just give them Councilman Bird's number and address.
Bird: Yeah. Give it to them.
Siddoway: But we can look at partnerships with SWAC to help fund that. You know,
believe that Councilman Zaremba made a great point this morning that I believe we are
already seeing this year, that people are staying home to recreate with the gas prices
and things, that the people are not driving as far and the increases in hour usage on
both the parks and recreation side is just growing. We are not in a down turn at all, we
are -- we are seeing growth on all sides, both in parks use and recreation participation.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes.
Zaremba: If I may, I would also add to that -- and I'm not sure what page it is. Of the
revised pages it was the second one. Where it is in all of them I don't know, but there is
a chart titled General Fund total budget by department with Capital Improvement Fund
and enhancements, even though it may seem startling for the Parks Department to be
asking fora 22 percent increase this year, they have grown the least of all of those that
are compared -- even though I know we are budget tightening, they need to catch up,
the Parks Department in particular. You know, not to put department against each
other, but the Police Department and the Fire Department have all grown. I consider
Parks to be part of the safety services as well. My instinct is every dollar we don't
spend on parks we will need to spend on police. Parks and Recreation I mean. But just
looking at -- if I'm interpreting the green square here on this chart, the '08 budget and
the '09 budget for Parks and Recreation are about equivalent to their 2001 budget and if
it needs to be 22 percent more, I'm in favor of that. I think it's catch up, because there
have not been increases over the years and we've had the same thing with -- over the
last year when we have increased certain fees, it's been because -- it sounded like a
large increase in fees, but it's because we hadn't increased them for ten years before
and I feel like the Parks Department is -- is in the same situation. So, I would like to
support -- I appreciate what's been cut out here and I think that's some excellent work
and the cooperation between departments is wonderful to see, but I would support the
rest of what you're asking for.
Siddoway: Thank you. And I think through those efforts we can -- you know, we have
come up with that 217, almost 218 dollars, that we feel like we can cut and would
propose that at least for your consideration. Any other questions. Thank you.
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De Weerd: Thanks, Steve. Okay. Council, do you want to go through it fund by fund?
Bird: Let's do her.
De Weerd: Okay.
Borten: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes.
Borton: Procedurally are we -- is the point right now to make general comment and this
establishes the maximum potential budget. It can't go up and it could go down, so --
Kilchenmann: Well, actually, it -- when we come to the point where it can't go down is
when we first notice it, so what this does is give us the material to prepare the one that
will be noticed. So, it's -- it might go up a little bit -- up or down a little bit from this point
when we actually go through the detail, like Steve just said, et cetera, and make sure all
the transfers, balance between the funds and so forth, and which we can't do that like
we -- we still have to do Enterprise Monday, but, basically, you are sitting pretty close to
what it will be and what we will give you for your final approval. Did that answer your
question?
Borton: Somewhat. So, we are not precluded from making a reduction if it's warranted
in ten days.
Kilchenmann: Well, kind of -- yeah. Because Todd needs time -- he has to have the
time -- there is a gazillion lines of detail to back this up and so he -- he needs the time to
get it ready for the notice. Right? He says, oh, yeah.
Borton: The only reason I asked is because at the public hearing. -- let's say you go to
the public hearing and --
Kilchenmann: Then you can move it down.
Borton: Okay.
Kilchenmann: But you can't move it up.
Borton: Okay.
Kilchenmann: You can always go down.
Borton: Okay. Right.
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Nary: I was just going to supplement that. Really, other than simply accounting for the
dollars and cents, it may fluctuate in accounting, at the public hearing, yes, you can
make it less, but you can't make it more. Not until the next year.
De Weerd: Okay. Any other questions? Okay. So, I guess Todd, go ahead and start
at the beginning, which -- on the capital replacements. Any questions, concerns in the
capital replacement list? Well, you have your capital replacement list and, then, we can
go into the enhancements.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes.
Bird: Steve, I don't know if you can answer this. Elroy isn't here still. - And I know it isn't
a big item, but every penny counts. That '88 Kawasaki Mule, does that run at all or --
and what park have we got it at?
Siddoway: On the '88 Kawasaki Mule, it runs barely, but it's requiring a lot of
maintenance. It's about 13 years old now. Purchased in '95 it's got almost 10,000
mile --
Bird: If it's '88 it's 20 years old.
Siddoway: The Kawasaki Mule is '95, I believe.
Bird: It says '88 here. 1988.
Siddoway: Well, we have -- yeah.- But we got it used in '95. It was an '88. We got it in
'95.
Bird: Is this the one we have got out at Settlers that --
Siddoway: I can't say for sure which park it's at. It is costing us more in maintenance
than it's worth.
Bird: That's all I needed to know.
Siddoway: Yeah.
De Weerd: Okay. Any other questions in the replacement list? Okay. Hearing none,
we will get into is the enhancements. Okay. The first set in Administration.
Borton: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes.
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Borton: I think the first item was withdrawn by -the City Clerk, the record benefit
software.
De Weerd: She changed that. She wanted to keep the scanners, which was 2,700; is
that correct?
Bird: No. She wanted to keep it 21,000.
Holman: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, Councilman Bird, what I wanted to
keep out of that one was two scanners for a total of 2,700 dollars.
De Weerd: And that was out of the 9,800, to change to 2,700.
Bird: I misunderstood you. I'm sorry.
De Weerd: Two thousand seven hundred.
Lavoie: Jaycee, the slide that you had, it was noted 1,200 in ongoing and 11,700 in one
time?
Holman: That 11,700, 2,700 of that is a one time cost, which is a scanner. So, the one
time cost includes the purchase of the software and the two scanners.
De Weerd: And, then, there would be no ongoing cost.
Holman: That's correct.
De Weerd: Okay. Any -- Council what would be your next item of discussion?
Lavoie: Human resources would be the next selection available.
De Weerd: Yeah. I just -- I thought it would be easier for them to just say what is the
item they would have questions on, concerns, et cetera. Okay. We will go through it.
HR. Okay. Nothing in HR?
Borton: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes.
Borton: I'll just make general comments. It's not necessarily something to add or cut.
At least not at this point. I'm throwing out an idea that's been tossed around of whether
or not there is some ability -- and I have talked to Mr. Nary about it, about a -- the HR
position and the roll of the contract and whether or not the 72 from consulting, which is
Aspiron, and the HR analysis position, perhaps those could be blended as an HR
director perhaps. I don't necessarily think it's -- I just throw it out for discussion. It was
an HR item that -- just been thinking about whether or not that makes sense for the long
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term. So, I don't think you necessarily delete it, but I wanted to -- just to make it known
that was a thought.
De Weerd: Okay. Well, I know that thought has come up before and it wasn't
something that the director or myself brought forward, so --
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: I think I'm one of those that has mentioned it. I don't see that as being
immediate or imminent, but I do feel that sometime in the future we should split those
two pieces, two separate directors.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes.
Bird: And I'd go along with Joe. I think that's something that we need to really -- look
into real hard and I don't think it's something you do down the line. And it's certainly
against nobody in either position right now and I think he knows that -- or I hope he
knows it.
Nary: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, we have had this discussion before and
that's fine. Part of what -- as I talked to you in the presentation this morning is my intent
-- one, we need training dollars. We need to make sure that our city is compliant. From
a risk management- standpoint, from a legal standpoint, we have to make sure we are
compliant with harassment laws and a variety of different things. We need to have
expertise to do that. I would like that to be internal, because I would think in the long
run that will benefit us if we have our own trainers. Now, the city of Boise -- similar
discussion with their legal department of the city of Boise. I had lunch with them last
week with their human resources. They are looking to outsource some of their training
and if it's affordable, I'm fine with that. The trainer that they have is excellent. I have
done a lot of training with him, so I was very comfortable with him doing some training,
but I don't have a cost figure yet. As I told you in the HR analyst position, part of my
long term intent -- and I think I have discussed it with all of you at different points -- I
can see long term that the HR department may function like the IT does now, with a
separate -- with a separate HR manager that would have the responsibilities of
oversight, but we don't have the staff to do that today. We don't have any real means to
do that. So, although it might seem inviting to simply put all of those eggs in one basket
and hire one person, in reality Idon't -- I don't think that's in the best interest of the city.
We need the training for our personnel and we need to develop somebody to be able to
take on that role and responsibility. We designed the new office in City Hall to be able
to make that change if it was necessary. We have divided as where the offices are laid
out and where the conference rooms are laid out. We even -- we even built -- had one
of the main -- the main large conference room built with two entry doors to it, so if we
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needed to, we could split it into two offices or split it into two conference rooms. So, we
did look at those for long term solutions. So, I don't -- I'm not opposed to any of that, I
just don't think today the city's best interest is to hire a director, you're still going to have
the director coming back and saying I need money for training. I need a person to do it
or I have to hire someone else to do it. I don't have the bodies to do all of those things.
We have a staff really right now of three and a half people to handle -- well, that's about
three full-time people to handle everything that comes in. So, my goal is to hire an
analyst. The reason the directors had proposed that we move it up to a higher position
-- as you know it was originally a generalist, which was a lower position, basically a
person with maybe a limited amount of experience in the HR arena, to really get a lot of
basic work done. The directors felt it was more important to have one with more
experience and to pay more to get a person with more skill and more experience, so
that we could maybe groom somebody for a job like that in the next budget year or the
year after that. Somewhere within the next couple years that would be my objective to
get the city on a better footing with that, because as we know some of the departments,
because building may be a little slower, we are not. We certainly aren't any slower. We
certainly have a lot of people that have a lot of legal issues with the city. That hasn't
gone away just because they are not building many houses. So, we haven't gotten any
slower, but that's the long term objective. So, that's why I'd like you to leave them the
way they are, because that's the direction we are trying to get to, if that helps.
Bird: Madam Mayor, I want to -- I want to give you my view point. You want to hire
another legal person and I always been -- part time.
Nary: Right. That's already in this budget.
Bird: Ithink your expertise to the city is good in HR, but I think it's -- your legal mind is
more important to me in the city and you hit it right on the head. We have helped get
you a lot of work in the legal department. We have given you a lot of work. I would like
-- I would like your full time in legal side of it. That is where I'm coming from.
Nary: And I don't disagree with that and I'd like to be able to get that time on the HR
side that only issues -- predominately today the only issues I deal with are what are to
me legal issues anyway, which Ithink -- whether you had an HR director or an HR
manager, that's what they would be dealing with, they would be dealing with things that
are liability issues for the city. I would like to get to the point that that's all I have to
wont' about with HR is that. The HR division would be able to handle itself, would be
able to manage all the other HR functions without me having to do any of that. And the
only thing that we would deal with on the legal side are legal concerns. So, I don't
disagree with you. Long term I think that's where we need to be. Ithink realistically
that's where we are going to have to be.
Bird: Well, Ijust -- I just want your legal mind full time, in my opinion. And I know you
have to give at least half, if not more, to HR. I know that, because you -- you know.
And I'm not -- I'm not changing anybody's wages, I'm not doing anything like that, but if
you take -- and I don't have any problem getting an analyst, but if you get a director and,
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then, could you get alower -- with a 72,000 and the 80 some thousand, could we get a
director and an analyst?
Nary: No.
Bird: Okay.
Nary: I don't think so. I think with an analyst -- I think with the analyst we can get a
person that has the skills and in a year or two we could look at that person to being at
least an HR manager at the least. Because I don't really think realistically you would
find a person to manage a department by combining all those monies together, because
you're still going to be lacking training. You're still going to be lacking a lot of other
needs and I appreciate your sentiments, Mr. Bird. Trust me, I have great staff. I don't
spend more than half of my time on HR. I do spend more than half of my time on legal
.issues. But I appreciate what you're saying, but the staff I have really make the engine
work every day on the HR side and I deal with -- other than the compensation issues
that we have seen and we have discussed, the policies which you -- which if you -- you
recall, because you were on the Council when we passed the policy handbook. Did the
HR manager write the current policy handbook? No. The lawyer from White Peterson
did. So, the legal issues I deal with on the policy, I deal with termination issues. Those
are the issues you have counsel dealing with anyway. So, I think-- I appreciate your
sentiment and we are trying to make sure we give the city enough value for what they
get.
Bird: I've had my two cents.
Nary: Thank you.
De Weerd: Okay. Any other questions in the HR? Okay. IT.
Rountree: The MS Office upgrade is out. It's already withdrawn, okay?
Borton: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes.
Borton: Not necessarily -- and I guess to back up, when I made reference earlier on
priority lists and they were items which weren't included, which could have been
included, made reference to the firing range, for example, that -- you know, I look
through the list and comment an items that at least I have a question on and I'm not
necessarily a hundred percent sold have to be included. I'm sure they are -- anything I
make reference to is of great value in light of the limited resources. The web content
engineer. One that gave me a little concern.
Bird: I would second that. I agree. I also -- Madam Mayor, if I may? I have a concern
on that expensive --
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Borton: Enterprise software.
Bird: Enterprise -- well, Enterprise -- it's under IT. The deal Idon't -- I was told that --
that it would be efficient and stuff. Well, anything that makes something efficient should
eliminate cost and cost is employees. We have -- we haven't got to the Enterprise yet,
but, you know -- and I haven't been sold that -- for 800 -- over 800,000 dollars that we
are getting a piece of gold that's going to do the job. No, that's -- Terry, I'm not -- you
can answer this. You don't have to have Bill -- I mean I just -- I'm having a hard time
getting my arms around it for that kind of price. I really am. And, then, we got building
fund needs something that -- that to me sounded very practical and very efficient and --
but, yet, we are still pending this on this. So, I don't know, I have got -- I have got a real
concern on it. I'm not a hundred percent against it, don't get me wrong there, but
anytime you spend that kind of money you have got to see results and I know five years
from now I don't want to see you come in here and tell the Council that it's outdated.
Paternoster: Well, if I can answer, Councilman Bird, I think you can make a lot of
legitimate points. I think that anytime you do spend this type of money that it shouldn't
be approached without a lot of care. I think that this committee that's done the
evaluation and analysis for this particular software has been in place for over two years.
We have hired outside consultants to look at it and say that the city needs a system that
will allow us to enhance our communications. I think Anna made very good points
about it, that there are challenges. When you have code enforcement telling citizens
different things than what the Planning Department is and so you have this different
information. I think that if you instantly want to see an RLI that's going to justify 875,000
dollars next year -- it's not going to happen. I think that this is a type of software that
over time will produce benefit and reduce overall operating costs, because you're going
to have less staff time spent on it. In addition, the systems that we looked at have web
components to them that will enhance the website so that citizens can do their website.
So, they can go in and they can access their own information. Information will be much
more accessible than what it is currently today to the citizens and I think that to not
recognize those points might be premature on our part. I think that it is very important
for us to think what's this software going to provide long term. One of the things that we
did during this analysis proper was to specifically target software packages that were
mature, not software packages where these people have four people with the building
permit software or maybe they said, yeah, we are in the process of developing a GIS
integration, we targeted systems that looked like that they were going to be premier
systems, not systems that we are going to spend five years and say, oh, man, boy, did
we make the wrong choice. When -- after doing our next evaluation of ten different
systems we only came back with two that we really thought were viable. Now, the
difference between the two systems is about 250,000. We are not sure which one's the
best. Now, the difference is is that, you know, one of the questions that Tom's brought
up in the past .is with the wastewater treatment plant's recent investigation, you know,
that there is a need for the city to have an asset management piece to track the different
assets that the city owns and if the city goes with a more census solution, there is
integration that can take place between an asset management piece, because the
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vender sells an asset management piece, plus a land management piece. If we go with
the less expense solution, which very well may work, it's about 250,000 dollars less. I
think that what we are asking for here is enough money that we can get the city the best
solution that will provide the most bang for the buck, while doing the most -- providing
the best information to citizens.
De Weerd: Well, Terry, you mentioned a gap analysis that is needed and I don't know if
you mentioned that this could be phased in, but once a gap analysis is done is there a
phase in that is possible?
Patemoster: Madam Mayor, to answer that question, I think anytime that you approach
a project of this magnitude, it's going to be really more likely amulti-year project. We
are not going to go implement this starting October, especially with the new City Hall
coming on line and think that it's going to be done by June. The reality is this really is
more of a multi-year project that we are going to probably start with the building permits
software, since it is the biggest pain point for the city and, then, move forward. I think it
is possible for us to reduce the amount of money if we choose to do it as a multi-year
project, recognizing that we are not going to get the full .benefit of the software until we
implement all the extra pieces. But we can at least make that first in road to really just
say, you know what, we are moving forward, we are committed, we are not going to
step back from this, we believe this is an issue. One of the things that I am
apprehensive about is if we do reduce this budget enhancement and choose to do it in a
multi-year project, I firmly believe that we still need to approve the position. The cost to
implement this type of system is a type of cost that to me its huge. The quote that I got
from the vendor was 75 percent of the total implementation -- of cost was
implementation and 25 percent was actually cost of software and so by implementing a
project manager or hiring a project manager on our side, we are potentially reducing the
amount of cost that we are going to incur over the long run, because we will have
somebody who can write reports, we will have somebody who can do some of the
implementation, we will have somebody who can modify the code and design it the way
that the city needs it done and so if we do choose to do this over a multi year, please,
recognize that, you know, the position really is required. I don't really think it would be
wise on our part to do it without that position.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I would never suggest that we do something like this over the years. I mean you
either buy it all up front or buy none of it. The whole program. You know what I mean?
In my opinion.
Paternoster: Sure. And to address that, Councilman Bird, I think that that is a good
point, but this type of system really is a modular system and so if -- if it was an issue of
all or nothing, I mean I'd take all, obviously, but if it was something that we choose to do
it multi year, I think that it's better to get started than to continue to wait.
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Bird: If you need 75 percent up front, why not fund the other 25 and be done with it? If
you come back next year, we are going to be -- I'm usually a big optimist, but I'm telling
you with this economy on you're not a big optimist. I think we are another 18 months
away from starting back. So, I'd just as soon fund it this year if we decide to fund it.
Paternoster: And to address -- just to go along with that, I do think that you make a
valid point. When I did talk to the different vendors about implementation, if you choose
to do a multi year implementation, the cost of implementation does go up, because now
you're flying their consultants back and forth more often, because you're bringing them
back on this project and, then, bringing them back on that project. So, that is a good
point, Councilman Bird.
Nary: And Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, to address the issue on the web --
the web content engineer, as well as the web -- the web - oh, what's it called? What do
you call it? Web consultant. And Terry certainly can chime in. We talked about it on a
break and, you know, I guess the best way I can put it to you -- and Council Member
Rountree did ask the question this morning, is how much of a problem or concern or
complaints we have about the website and what I told you is I think we are trying to
make it better. We have won about 20 awards from the Association of Idaho Cities in
the last three years. We won the award for the most awards every year. We haven't
won any awards for our website. Our website works, it's functional, it meets a bare
minimum need. What Terry and I talked about and I will turn it over to Teny here in a
second, but I think we have got to take a step forward in some fashion and we can do it
in either one or the other. I mean we can either hire the person to approve the quality of
what we have today to make it better, to make it react better and respond better and be
consistent across the board and, then, develop in the next budget year and using a
consultant or someone else to help improve the quality of the look and the other
functionality things that we think are really important, or we can do it the other way.
mean we can certainly do the consulting now and get the look at the appearance and
those things done that a web consultant designer would do and, then, improve the
functionality internally. If that's your desire, that's a way you can do it and still get us at
least moving down the road. I mean it doesn't have to be all or nothing on that, but
don't think -- I don't -- I know for most of you and your use of it and the people that
interact with. you they are probably fine, but I do believe as Bruce said and as Terry has
gotten and others, there is a lot better -- there is a lot better example of how websites
can be usable and they are right here in this valley and people look it up and say why
can't you have this, why can't you do this, why can't I access it this way, and we -- you
know, and I don't think we really want to keep saying that just because we don't do it
that way, you know. So, I think -- I understand your reason for wrestling with that. Teny
and I did try to figure out a way that, you know, we could at least keep moving along in
the right direction and if Terry has a different perspective or prefers one over the other,
that's certainly his call, so --
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De Weerd: Yes.
Rountree: I personally don't have a problem being the scapegoat that the -- you know,
the Council has not chosen to make that a priority at this point in time, if, in fact, that's
what we choose to do. I, too, have some concerns about that particular position at this
point and it's been my experience that there is not synergism when you have a web
creator or a web engineer and try to start an Enterprise program. It just seems like they
don't get along for some reason and Iwould -- I am a hundred percent supportive of the
Enterprise effort. We have got to do it and we have got to get it done and, then, it will
never get any less expensive than what you're showing here. And I firmly believe that
there is no way you're going to be able to spend that kind of money in the next fiscal
year, because you're going to start looking at packages and there is going to be issues
and there is going to be consultants and there is going to be staff time trying to make
some of these things do what it is we want them to do. If you do, you need to get an
award, but I would like to see the Enterprise system get in place and, then, that's the
tool that's available for this new visionary, want-to-do-everything-on-the-web person, if
you understand what I'm saying. Been through it. It wasn't pretty.
De Weerd: So, it sounds like the web content engineer is removed?
Rountree: Iwould say keep it in for now and let people think about it some more, but
that's my position right now. Iwould be inclined to -- probably when we get to the final
budget, unless something changes my mind and the reading I do, that's probably where
I will end up.
Kilchenmann: Councilman Rountree, how long did you need to think about it?
Rountree: Well --
Bird: About five minutes.
Rountree: I mean there is four of us that can vote on this. That's my opinion on it. I
just --
Kilchenmann: But you mean today?
Rountree: Well, if there is unanimous support to take it off, fine.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
Rountree: If there is confusion about it, we might want to think about it.
De Weerd: Yes, Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: I realize that this is a startling amount of money and to put all that in one
place is a little bit scary of a decision for me, but I will have to say businesses for at
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least 15 and possibly 20 years have been needing this kind of software. When they
have a situation where one department needs to use similar data to what another
department has, the issue of having to re-key each department or to pass hard copies
around from department to department causes errors, causes extra employee time,
causes loss -- the data is wrong in one of the bases, can cause loss to the business and
in our case could cause failure to comply with some regulations and is this not a cutting
edge technology, it is now a mature technology that has been worked on for 15 or 20
years. We are certainly not taking the lead in trying to make it so that data is entered
once into one database and everybody can access it. I'm not even concerned about the
public, I'm concerned about our own departments being able to get the same -- know
that what they are getting when they pull something up is the same thing that source put
in and it seems to me that as startling as this figure is, we need to do it and we need to
do it pretty quick, because there are hidden costs in not doing it, not only in time, but in
inaccurate data and for our own use, let alone for regulatory compliance and for
contacting the citizens, not just us. So, we are overdue to do it and it won't ever get
cheaper.
Bird: Are you talking about the -- the Enterprise system or the -- or the web --
Zaremba: The Enterprise system to begin with, but I think there is a link between
having somebody on staff who, even if you call it a web designer or whatever he's
called, probably will be on this project first and, then, develop into --
De Weerd: Well, I think there is two different positions. Yeah.
Bird: That 847, as I understand it, included an employee to take care of that.
Paternoster: That's correct.
Rountree: Project manager.
Bird: The project manager to take care of that 847. I agree with Councilman Rountree,
wouldn't -- the engineer -- the web content engineer I don't think we need right now.
The Enterprise software, leave it in.
De Weerd: Okay. So, is there consensus on that?
Borton: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: At least three to one or -- how do you do it?
Borton: I mean this probably frustrates accounting, but if the process is set up and we
have to tell -- decide right now that a particular item is in or out, then, our process is
fatally flawed, in effect, but --
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De Weerd: I guess -- Councilman Borton, I guess what they would like is right now, as
you suggested earlier, let's just leave it in. If during the public process that changes that
is what the public process is for. But we have to set something that you want at least to
be published for public comment and that's -- that's what they are trying to get. So, the
things that you can all agree on that should be taken out, we can -- we can work on that
and let's leave this -- the Enterprise software in and let it be vetted through the public
process. Is that what you're suggesting as well? Okay. Thank you. Okay. So, at this
point we have removed the web content engineer and the MS Office upgrade, which
was withdrawn.
Bird: And we left the Enterprise software in.
Rountree: Yes.
De Weerd: Yes.
Bird: Okay. I might change my mind by Monday, but --
De Weerd: Okay. Well, That's your prerogative. Okay. We are in legal now.
Bird: Oh, boy. He's only got two enhancements. Which one do we give him?
De Weerd: Okay. Mayor's office.
Bird: Oh, yeah.
Rountree: Is the scholarship gone?
Bird: Yeah. Scholarship's gone.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes.
Zaremba: Back on legal, I was just looking for the paperwork. Wasn't the professional
services contract with Boise -- weren't they asking for a little bit more?
Bird: That's adifferent -- that's not legal.
Kilchenmann: And that is actually built into the base, so it doesn't show up as an
enhancement.
Zaremba: Okay. All right. Never mind.
De Weerd: Okay. So, there was nothing in legal. Okay. In the Mayor's office we did
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Rountree: Should we check with the Statesman?
Borton: Madam Mayor?
Bird: Somebody else can go for the interview.
Borton: The professional services contract I'm not -- I'm sold on. We can leave in now.
I'm not everybody, but I have a concern with that, even though it's relatively small.
De Weerd: Okay.
Rountree: I guess to that point, Joe, I would just say last year we spent significantly
more in that particular item with needing help in public relations and that sort of thing
and public -- getting information out. Just to give you something to think about. We will
leave it in for now.
Bird: I vote take it out. Have we taken the Rocky Mountain out?
De Weerd: Yes. Okay. And Other Government. Okay. Fire Department?
Rountree: Whoa. Whoa. Whoa.
De Weerd: I'm sorry.
Rountree: Which Other Government?
De Weerd: Other Government 01. The only thing under Other Government was the
Meridian Arts Commission, so if there were no issues on that --
Rountree: That's fine.
De Weerd: Okay. The Fire Department, then, would be --
Rountree: Madam Mayor, I had a question on the remodel for Chief Anderson.
De Weerd: Okay.
Rountree: Does the amount that you have got in there just cover materials or are you
talking about some kind of compensation for -- or is it -- or is the help from firemen
volunteer? I don't understand what all is included in that. I know you said it can be
done by staff. Is that with volunteer time or --
Anderson: Yeah. That's what we would be looking at.
Rountree: Okay.
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Anderson: Give them some time on duty or volunteer. There may be some stuff, if we
can't handle ~it, if we have to have a licensed electrician, for example, move something,
then, there may be a little bit of contract stuff in there, but --
Rountree: I'm just concerned about liability issues. I mean there are saws and
hammers and nail guns and if they are doing it on a volunteer basis are we still covered
under workmen's comp and the city's insurance?
Anderson: Well, that's a Bill Nary question.
Rountree: Yeah.
Nary: Actually, when the chief brought it up this morning I did have Audi, since she
manages our work comp program, check with the State Insurance Fund. I don't think it
would be covered. We may need to contract with those -- since they are not doing
employee duties -- it's not like having the -- it's not like having a parks person build
something that's related to their duties. We may need to contract with those employees.
It's a completely different job function. So that way we can cover that. I will speak with
our insurer on what liability issues we might have, but it appears the State Insurance
Fund may not cover that as a work comp related injury, because it's not related to their
job.
Rountree: Something to think about.
Nary: Yeah. I think we can do it. I think we will have to just figure out a way to do that.
It just won't fit the -- it doesn't fit in the box that we normally have, but we will figure it
out.
Rountree: Okay.
Anderson: I don't know, I mean a lot of what they do is running chain saws and axes
and all those kind of things, so -- and we board up houses sometimes when there is a
fire and we busted out the windows, so I guess -- I don't see it as a whole lot different.
You tum firemen loose and let them tear up stuff and it's kind of the same.
Rountree: But there is still a potential of harm.
De Weerd: Okay. Anything further on the fire. Okay. Oh, Steve is back. Okay. We
are now in Parks.
Rountree: I would suggest we make those changes that Steve brought back to us and
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De Weerd: Okay. In front of you, then, if you refer to the summary that Steve had at
the end of his presentation and I guess Todd will go through these -- do you have that
presentation? Okay. We had a reduction in Heroes Park of 149,894.
Barry: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Assuming -- yes. Yeah. I recognize the wild look there for a minute. On
the premise --okay. You're going through them.
Borton: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes.
Borton: I don't know if it matters at this point, but was some of the cost savings of
Heroes parks personnel or parks capital? It was all capital? Okay.
De Weerd: Okay. You did Heroes Park. You have the new truck. A reduced price of
4,675. Had you already done that?
Lavoie: Yes, Madam Mayor, I have adjusted all the numbers according to the summary
sheet that was provided to me by Steve. Now, I will have to work with Steve to get the
exact coding, but for now the negative 217 dollars -- 217 has been reduced in the Park's
budget as you see on the screen.
De Weerd: Okay. And so -- Steve?
Borton: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes.
Borton: Just for a comment to Council, one of the suggestions that -- and perhaps it
applies to Settlers buildings phase one of removing available funds in the lay purchase
account to apply towards that 150, to get that done immediately, another option, has
some appeal.
De Weerd: And, Council, perhaps we can put that on the workshop agenda next week.
Rountree: Yeah.
De Weerd: To have discussion. That money would need to be in this budget
regardless, because it's reimbursed, but we can make sure that that's on the agenda
next week.
Bird: And, Mayor, I'd also like to know -- which I think we can, but what we are going to
bring on -- bring it on what we -- for phase one we budgeted some money in fiscal year
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'08 -- to see where that went. I know we have done some budget adjustments, but
where did it go?
De Weerd: Okay. We did bring that to you, Council, a month or two ago. We will do
that all next week, okay? We will bring an update.
Bird: I don't know how the rest of you feel, but I -- but I -- that Heritage is a thorn in my
side and we are still giving it 19 five. I got a problem with it. I have got a problem with
it. I mean why do we have to redo that? That was all part of the thing. When we give
the 210,000 or whatever we give, we said that was it. Now we are back -- now they are
back wanting 19,500 more for it. It's not even our fields.
De Weerd: It is through the agreement, because we do have the scheduling and the --
and (believe that's what the agreement did.
Nary: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, I think our agreement as per scheduling,
from what lunderstood -- I mean Mr. Siddoway, I think the enhancement of safety is our
request and they are ponying up half of the cost of it. It was our need, not their need.
They -- I think for their need they didn't care. It was our need of our concern about the
public and other patrons using the field for our games that we scheduled that somebody
could get injured. That's what I understood.
De Weerd: There was a safety issue.
Nary: Right. And --
De Weerd: Because you could not sit along the side line, Mr. Bird, without the threat of
being hit by a ball.
Nary: Maybe I misunderstood, but that's what I would say, it was our --
Bird: I was going to say, I have sat behind a lot of four foot fences at ball parks and
played on it. Who give the specs on the original fencing?
Nary: That I don't know.
Rountree: The school district.
Borton: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes.
Borton: This is one probably we can talk about some more. We can leave it in for right
now. I think one thing we talked about was giving us an update on what it might be and
anything beyond, (guess -- we can talk about it.
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Rountree: I agree.
De Weerd: You're good to go. Not right now. But, Steve,
you were talking to Todd that came up is we would like
150,000 from the land account, so these improvements
immediately and would like an accounting on any budgeted
one and what it's been spent on, et cetera.
Siddoway: Sure.
De Weerd: Okay.
Siddoway: Okay.
I think one of the things that
a discussion on using the
in phase one can be done
amount for that -- for phase
De Weerd: Okay. So, we will move onto the police. Any discussion items in the Police
Department?
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Like I said earlier, I would still hope that we keep this year looking -- the fiscal year
'09 to finance that firing range.
De Weerd: Okay. Todd, what is the amount that is -- that we are under budget? So,
Council, you want to move that up into the public safety reserve fund? It's a half million
dollars at this point.
Bird: Right now I would.
Rountree: Yes.
De Weerd: Okay. Let's go ahead and do that. I would note that anything that remains
from this year's budget will be forwarded into that as well and, Council, Iguess -- maybe
-- maybe let's just leave that in the reserve and at our workshop next week we could talk
about how we can move forward on a plan to progress that item.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes, Mr. Bird.
Bird: Is there any way, Council, that we could agree to get that lieutenant moved that
Chief Lavey wanted, so we can have somebody working on this, meeting with outside
sources, seeing what kind of -- we probably won't get other entities to help finance the
building of it, but it will help with renting it for maintenance will be a big help, so year to
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year maintenance is -- do you have any problems with that on that end -- and what was
the amount on that, chief?
Rountree: The chiefs not here.
Bird: Yeah, he is.
Rountree: Okay.
Lavey: Councilman -- or Madam Mayor, Councilman Bird, I didn't provide those figures,
because it was just a fleeting idea that we had. We looked at maybe out sourcing it first
and, then, we made that proposal yesterday, but with the staffing the way it is, I was
looking at adding a whole new position, not just taking a person and making them --
promoting them. So, we are talking close to one hundred thousand dollars.
Bird: Does it have to be a sworn officer?
Lavey: It wouldn't have to be a sworn office, but, then, the question is what do you do
with them after the project is over with and my current plan, after the project is over with,
would, through attrition is bring them into the sworn staff.
Bird: I have got a question for you. If we get this accomplished and this person was to
get it accomplished from ground floor, why could he not be the manager of the firing
range? You don't need a sworn officer for that, do you?
Lavey: You may have different qualifications that you're looking for for those two
separate positions. So, it's possible, but if I was to put out a request for proposal, I
would look at two different sort of job set skills and so it could be done, but I probably
wouldn't do it. And I believe Mr. Nary has a comment as well:
Nary: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, I haven't even talked to the chief, but
they do have that vacant deputy chief position. So, you have the personnel dollars
available and when he does -- if he wants to go forward, if that is your direction, he has
the funding to do it and when you actually fund the deputy chief that's been fulfilled that
he wants, he can always come back at that juncture and ask you for an amendment.
So, you have the available funding now if that's the chiefs desire. Again, last time I
talked with him, but I know there is money available for that.
Bird: What's your desire, Jeff?
Lavey: Madam Mayor, Councilman Bird, I don't have any issues with that. I have got
finance over here whispering in my ear and she has some -- she has some opinions on
that, but I think it might be doable.
Bird: Okay. So, we don't need to put that in the budget right now.
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Lavey: I don't believe so.
Bird: Okay. Thank you.
De Weerd: Okay. It's good enough to give direction to the -- Council, it's good enough
to give direction to the finance staff. We can up -- we can ask for an update next week,
Jeff, in a workshop item what -- if the preference changes, but --
Bird: We will need to go over this whole thing Monday after we get our Enterprise done
anyway, too. We are doing that Monday aftemoon.
De Weerd: Yeah. You have a starting point, finance.
Kilchenmann: You don't need to go over the General Fund again. Monday will. just be
devoted to the Enterprise Fund, because now we have all the transfers that we will
make to the Enterprise Fund. There are two -- there will be two separate -- General
Fund had -- has to be done to do the Enterprise, because of the transfer. They don't
have to be exact, though. I mean it can be off a few dollars. We have to balance them.
Bird: But we can -- we can take a half hour and run through this Monday if we need to.
Kilchenmann: You certainly can, because you're the City Council and Todd and I quit
and --
Bird: I can't hear you. Speak up.
Kilchenmann: You certainly can do that, because you're the City Council, but Todd and
I quit and -- see, the problem is these dates kept getting moved --
Bird: Well, what do you mean Todd -- Todd likes it here.
Kilchenmann: Does Todd look happy right now?
Bird: Heck yes.
Kilchenmann: Todd looks stressed.
Bird: He don't get off until 6:00 anyway. He comes in at -- we made adeal -- we didn't
make him come in early. I think that's his problem.
Kilchenmann: It's just really hard to get that notice done if we keep changing it.
Bird: See, he won't have to come in early Monday, because we don't meet until in the
aftemoon.
Kilchenmann: He has to come in Sunday. No.
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Bird: Sunday? I said Monday. And it's in the afternoon, so he can sleep in.
De Weerd: Okay. We have a Parks Commission meeting in five minutes, so is there
anything further?
Borton: Yeah. Quick question again on the -- what we just did in public safety reserve
fund, can that go up after a certain day?
Kilchenr'nann: ~ Pardon?
Borton: The public safety reserve fund that was just created about ten minutes ago.
Kilchenmann: What we will do is when we get it balanced, whatever is the excess we
will put into the public~:safety fund.
Borton: So, at the public hearing if item X is cut for whatever reason, that --
Kilchenmann: That number will change.
Borton: And that's okay?
Kilchenmann: Yeah, because the total will be the same.
Borton: Okay.
Kilchenmann: So yes.
Borton: Okay.
De Weerd: Okay. Council, if there is no further comment or change, I would entertain a
motion to adjourn.
Bird: So moved.
Rountree: Second.
Borton: Second.
Zaremba: Second.
De Weerd: All those in favor?
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
De Weerd: Thank you.
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