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Meridian City Hall .2. April 3, 1978
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Agenda
1 Grant Kingsford made the motion and Marvin Bodine seconded that the City adopt a
resolution to advise the Board of Health Department the City's support of the
community septic tanks with dry lines with the Board of Healths approval,
Motion passed: Williams, yea; Bodine, yea; Kingsford, yea; Glaisyer, yea.
Agenda
2 A letter from Meridian Manor #3 was read by Mayor Storey, regarding Final Plat.
(Letter on file with these minutes)
Richard Williams stated that he understood that the Limited Office and Retail
had not been approved by Planning and 'toning; 1/2 street proposal at Sewer
Treatment Plant; who has decided the City vacate this Plant?
Mike Preston, J-U-B Engineers representing Meridian Manor #3, stated that the
Planning and Zoning were reluctant to approve that area of concern before adoption
of their Comprehensive Plan, however the area under consideration is Meridian
Manor #2 that was approved by the Planning and Zoning Committee, all they did
was takeout some lots. Smith and Bues wanted to put some larger homes in with
larger lots. Mr. Preston stated that all they were asking for this meeting is
approval of the Tentative Plat that underlies Meridian Manor #2, to be known in the
future as Meridian Manor #3 Subdivision, TPeis has gone through Planning and
Zoning Committee and this is the only portion that they have approved.
They are asking approval for that which is platted as Meridian Manor #2 and iY
the City approves they will submit Meridian Manor #3 and with its approval they
will vacate #2, this.. is tenative approval.
There was discussion on the area around the Sewer Plant and on through streets.
Mr. Preston explained that there are a couple of variances that they would-request
per letter from Larry Sale. These are some excessive block lengths, Blocks
limited to land in #2 Plat (blocks 2 and-4) vary in length from 1,050 to 1,300 feet.
Roger Welker, Fire Chief, stated that he has not seen the amended plan.
Mr Preston explained that the streets are identical, that fire hydrants will remain
in the same locations.
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Richard Williams made the motion and Grant Kingsford seconded that the City accept •
Preliminary Plat of Meridian Manor #3 subject to approval of Public Work's,
Sews a Cit En sneer's and Fire De artment and t`
g + Y g~ p , grant variance in Block Two (2)
and Four (4) as requested.
Motion passed: Williams, yea; Bodine, yea; Kingsford, yea;Glaisyer, yea.
Agenda Opening of the Phase III Sewer Line bid.
3 The City Engineer, Carl Ellsworth of J-U-B Engineers,'made the following
announcements before opening bids:
Corrections: Page 21 typographical error that states; sod repair and replace
500 linear feet of a unit price. 1454 linear feet is a mistake, they will use
the 500 linear feet as the extension.
Page 23 typographical error; deductable alternate 1, b deduct
285 linear feet of 18" diameter type E sewer pipe. Should be Type F sewer:--pipe_.__:__,
included in bid type #20.
Page 30, typographical error; deductable alternate 7,b deduct
049 linear feet of 12" type F sewer pipe. Should read 948 linear feet for the
deductable alternate.
The total bids were read:
Galey Construction InC .................$1,269,117.50
North American Contractors.IoC.........$1,358,637.00
H K Contractors.IuC ....................$1,269,786.00
Shunn Construction.Inc .................$1,557,757.00
McGregor Utility Construction.IuC......$1,673,638.00
Felton, Construction.09 ................$2,186,315.00
Apparent law bidder was Galey Construction with the bid of $1 26 11 50 ~~
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Sumner Johnson, J-U-B Engineers, Inc., recommended reading the low bid.
There was n request to rrr+d bid item 5, unit price and tntaln for Oaley Conat.
Unit price a6`i.00 per lin~nr font - tntr+l +d','+ti(~. fl. K. Contractors the unit
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Flo tic.n u~,:; u, a.te t,y I~~e.rvlu 1lodine and secuuded by l;raat Kingsford that the low bid be
turned over to the City Engineer for review and advisement of recommendation as soon
as possible. Motion assed• Bodine
P , yea;Williams, yea; Kingsford, yea;Glaisyer, yea.
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Agenda
5 Pinehurst Subdivision, Preliminary Plat:
Comments that were made on Pinehurst Subdivision were discussed.
Councilman Bodine moved to table Pinehurst Sub division,seconded by Joseph Glaisyer.
Motion passed: Bodine, yea; Kingsford, yea; Glaisyer, yea.
Agenda
6 Meridian Manor No. 3, Vacation of Meridian Manor No. 2 (Preliminary Plat)
The Motion was made by Joseph Glaisyer and seconded by Marvin Bodine to tracate
Meridian Manor No. 2 and accept Meridian Manor No. 3•
Motion passed: Bodine, yea; Kingsford, yea; Glaisyer, yea
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7 Fire Department report by Chief Roger Welker:
Chief Welker stated that emergency 911 program should be in by the end of the year
and that we have an interim agreement with Boise Fire in resolution form. The cost
is $50.00 per month for Boise to dispatch and $78.00 for two line per, month. This
cost will be City and Rural. Boise will be answering the phone and dispatching
with Arden's as aback up.
The Motion was made by Grant Kingsford and seconded by Marvin Bodine to approve
Resolution #237•
Motion passed: Bodine, yea; Kingsford, yea; Glaisyer, yea
Agenda
8 Public Work's Superintendent, Bruce Stuart, had nothing to report.
Agenda
9 Building Inspector, Vernon Schoen, had nothing to report.
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Chief Welker statedthat he had a application for a Bews Industrial Development
that would leave enclaves in the City.
Mayor Storey stated that he would discuss it with Wayne Crookston.
Councilman Joesph Glaisyer presented a policy statement.
The Motion was made by Joseph Glaisyer and seconded by Marvin Bodine that when
Preliminary Plats are submitted that they should include restrictive covenants
at the same time.
Agenda
12 Pat Joy informed the Council that the application for an Industrial Site
,,~~ Selection was successful.
Agenda
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Condominium Ordinance:
Councilman Glaisyer stated that he would like to see more in the Ordinance.
The matter was tabled.
City Clerk, Herald Cox, informed the Council on what the Boise Policy was.
The matter was discussed
Councilman Glaisyer requested that it be tabled.
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Weaver stated that there was a problem. The money has been appropriated for 1978
for this property once the year goes by then they will need reapproval. It was discussed.
Williams stated this should not be considered as a negative response.
Hosac asked for clarification on an Ordinance. He read from the Ordinance book on
procedures on Conditional Use Permits and questioned if the Zoning Commission could
grant Conditional Use Permits. It was discussed.
Glaisyer moved to table the request for further study until the next Council meeting,
seconded by Williams.
Motion passed: Williams, yea; Bodine, yea; Glaisyer, yea; Kingsford, yea.
Agenda
5 Meridian Manor #2 Vacation
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Larry Sale was present representing the request. He stated that they are asking the
Council to vacate Meridian Manor #2 and toy approve Meridian Manor #8. The main
difference in the two is lot size. Utilities are under construction - the sewers are
in the roads. Sale explained the changes - they need two variances on Block 2;
overlength Block 4 and 7.
Williams stated one thing they should consider is no determination has been made to
remove the. plant. He felt strongly that the plant would be turned over to B.S.U.
as a training facility. He stated that he is making them aware of this point.
Nothing is final but consideration is being given to that use.
!.~, _s~t,aeets were outlined.
Glaisyer inquired if protective covenants were submitted.
Sale stated that on #2 they were recorded but they need ammended and did not have
them at this time.
Sale stated that the request was to vacate Meridian Manor #2 and second approval of
the Final Plat on Meridian Manor #3 subject to modification of covenants and approval
of variances on Blocks 2 and 4 for length.
Crookston stated that they should be considered separately and explained the results.
The P1otion was made by Grant Kingsford and seconded by Richard Williams to vacate
Meridian Manor #2.
Motion passed:. Williams, yea; Bodine, yea; Kingsford, yea; Glaisyer, yea.
The legality of previous Council action was outlined.
Bodine stated that he hated to see 8th Street being a half street.
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8th Street was discussed. Sale stated that they needed to work closely with the
City in the future to see what sort of access the City needs at the Treatment Plant
and perhaps bring 8th into the property.
The request on Meridian Manor #3 for approval with variances on Black 2 and 4 was
presented.
Glaisyer requested that the Final Plat approval be held up because of the procedure
of requiring protective covenants.
Sale stated that they have taken away a lot of investment by vacating the first plat
and inquired if they had assurance that they will receive approval on the #3 Plat.
Glaisyer stated that he like #3 better than #2 but it is a matter of procedure.
Storey instructed Sale to get the covenants submitted and it will be scheduled for the
December 18, 1978 Council meeting. The request was tabled.
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? Glaisyer inquired if there was a trailer on the location. Rackham explained that
~+ there was a trailer there, it was not their intention to place it there. Zt was
placed before they knew there was restrictions.
Rackham inquired what the objections were to mobile homes and explained their proposal.
;'~~ The Mayor outlined the need to control mobile home placement.
'i Rackham explained the nature of their emergency business and the crime problem.
The situation in the City was discussed.
Rackham summarized their request..
Kingsford inquired specifics on the crime problem.
Bodine stated that he is against trailer homes coming into the City. Every
merchant would like a trailer house, but no one is entitled to it.
Glaisyer stated he was against the request.
The Motion was made by Marvin Bodine and seconded by Joseph Glaisyer that the
Conditional Use Permit for Roto Rooter, Housetrailer, request be denied.
Motion passed: Williams, yea; Bodine, yea; Glaisyer, yea; Kingsford, yea.
Agenda
7 Vac aT.ion of Meridian Manor #2
,,/ Joy read the Public Notice of Public Hearing. ~
Larry Sale was present representing the request and volunteered to answer any questions.
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i Williams stated that he also receioed a letter. There has been some rumors going
around on what the request entailed.
The Mayor polled the Public on how many were present on the request. There were
several.
Sale explained the process of vacation and the history of the development.
The developers felt the market changed to higher priced homes needing larger lots,
because the plat was recorded it needed to be vacated. A request was made by the
developer that asked the city to reduce the lots from 101 to 92 lots.
The developer has submitted restrictive covenants that are the same as for Meridian
Manor #1 except it calls for a larger minimum dwelling size.
Williams inquired how many duplex lots in #2 were eliminated and how many duplex
lots will be in Meridian Manor #3.
Sale stated that there are 18 lots out of 92 that can be used for either single
family or two-family dwellings.
Lester Travis, a homeowner, inquired where the duplexes would be located.
Sale outlined where the lots were located.
Kingsford inquired how many duplexes were approved in #2.
Sale was not sure. Sale read the square footage from the covenants.
Travis inquired why they wanted to put duplex housing in..
Sale outlined the Comprehensive Plan as it applies to this development.
Travis inquired why the duplexes were not distributed through out the Subdivision
instead of on the fringe area.
Bi11 Carroll stated that he was in about three weeks ago and had been assured there
would not be any duplexes in there.
Joy disputed his contention. The location of the duplexes was discussed.
Carole Gab rielson stated when the developer chooses not to put duplexes in the
middle of a new subdivision that. says they feel duplexes will pull the value of
adjacent homes down. She inquired what that would do to their property values.
Sale stated that he was not making the decisions.
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~~ Gab rielsonoutlined theproblems with absentee landlords and keeping the property ul>.
j It was discussed.
K.~Babcock observed as a neighbor to these people they supported her request.
She concluded that she would be less threatening to them than something that
happens a lot morecommonly, the duplexes.
D. Babcock inquired on number~of duplexes.
Richard Potter stated everyone at this meeting would like to see single family
in the development.
Eric Gabrielson inquired why the developers were not there to answer questions.
Sale stated that they coulc research Plat #2 and determine where the duplex lets
were located.
Sharon North inquiredif there was a price range of the structures.
Sale read squarefootage of structure from the covenants and cost not less than
$35,000 excluding the lot cost. He stated that the lot value should be
$11,000 to $14,000. ,.
C. Gabrielson stated that she would not be opposed to duplexes if the covenants
guaranteed t:he property next to others would be kept up. She stated there are a
lot of loop holes in their covenants. She was concerned wfth their property v~1ue.
Covenants and their enforcement was outlined by the Mayor and Sale
C. Gabrielson observed that if the Council approves the Plat they have no input
into tyre decision.
Glaisyer stated that the Architectural Control Committee has to be named by the
• developer. 99~ of the tine it will be 'the developer on the committee. The only
time these people could be named to the committee is before the covenants wire
recorded. It was discussed.
~ Williams stated that in defense of the developer they have done a good job in
Meridian Manor #1 on developing. What a homeowner does with hisproperty cannot
be controlled completely through the covenants.
The problems of rentals keeping property up was rediscussed.
Kingsford stated the advantages of separating duplexes throughout the develops^r.t.
Bedelco Developers were discussed.
'y~ E. Gabrielson stated that until the new Subdivision covenants cover the areas of
concern to those presen±, the Subdivision should not be approved. Sale responded
that the responsibility for enforcing the covenants restswith the people in tFe .,_
Subdivision.
C. Gabrielson responded by outlining the problems of enforcing the covenants.
Sale stated that they could sue, cost was outlined. The matter was discussed.
Travis stated thatthe problem would be eliminated if they did not alloca any
duplexes in the development.
Kingsford suggested tabling the request until Sale could explain the #2 Develonnr.:nt
in terms of the duplex lots.
Bodine stated he felt the same way as Lester Travis.
~~.Glaisyer thought it should be tabled and let the neighborhood people get together
'with Sale and developers and see what they can come up with.
Williams agreed or was in favor of accepting Meridian Manor #3 as all single
dwellings.
Sale stated that the Council should set out those items that need to be workea out }
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Williams inquired what effect tabling the request would have.
Crookston stated they could table the request or take it under advisement
and would not have to republish.
Williams stated that some of the people present might like to meet with the
developers and Engineering.
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Kingsford stated that they should be accessable to those that have questions.
Sale pointed out anyone buying property in the Subdivision would know where the
duplexes are to be located.
Location of the duplexes Caere outlined.
Williams stated that Sale could get with the people and bring it up at the
February Stk, meeting.
Richard Potter stated that they needed to know what lots in #2 were slated for d-~:_,Ir ..
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~8 Boy Scout Troop 121 had members present working on Citizenship and Community N4.rit
Badges.
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9 City Attorney Crookston stated that there has been no communication on a lateceT~~r::
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10 City Engineering
Jim Coleman was present representing the City projects. He outlined the history cf
~ of Change Order #3 DVY Construction, Waste Water Treatment Plant.
Warren Construction had requested $10,000 for laying block. The Change Order wa.;
negotiated to $2,070. The indications are DVY and Warren Construction crib accept
the Change Order.
.Coleman recomtt:ended approval of Change Order #3.
Bodine moved to approve Change Order #3 DVY Construction, Waste Water Treatment Plant:
for $2,670, seconded by Williams.
Motion passed: Williams, yea; Bodine, yea; Kingsford, yea; Glaisycr, yea.
Crookston inquired if EPA in Seattle had been notified.
Change Order #4, Waste Water Treatment Plant, is~being developed at this time it ~~:i ll
include the addition of clorinedefusers, freeze proof yard, hydrants and refiii~m~ats
to the project. Additional items are butterfly o~alves-through the yard~,pipi.ng,:. •~~..,,,,j„
Electrical Work, sidewalk modifications, retaining wall and because they cou7.d
not get natural gas to the facility, they are putting in a temporary propane s~.^, tt::`;.
He explained the system. The total is around $13,500. It will be in as a cna:~e
order on February 5th, 1979. He transmitted a letter to the City (sec evidanc~).
Coleman recommended that the Council take the matter under advisement until DVY
nears cor,~pletion of the project.
The Motion was made by Grant Kingsford and seconded by Marvin Bodine to take the
time extention for DVY under advisement.
Motion passed: Williams, yea; Bodine, yea; Kingsford, yea; Glaisyer, yea.
Gary Smith reported on Rodding Cleaning Machine. There are eight (B) locations
with broken pipe. They have indicated by phone that the problems will be fizcd but
not by letter, when the weather permits. The City still has a substarrial ra tt.in c.l._~
from the contract plus the performance bond. This should be completed bafor~ th^
ground water comes up. Smith explained the process of bidding the project and wi;o
was contacted.
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•idian City Hall January 29, 1979
The meeting was called to order at 7:30 P. M. by Council President Williams in the
Mayor's absence.
Council members present: Grant Kingsford; Plarvin Bodine and Joseph Glaisyer
Others present: Tom Grote (Idaho Statesman); Lee and Fae Stucker; Lee Roy Nelson(Racing Ass)
Lester E. Travis; Susan Travis; Larry Allplin; Carol Storkan;
Bud Person; Leonard Stucker; Terry Botkin; Bob Barfuss; Karen & Rick Potter;
Erik & Carole Gabrielson; Richard Teachout; E.O. Kindred; R. Richardson;
Conchita Gonzalex; Richard Lutz; Sharon North; Annette Hinrichs;
Beverly Fricke; Bill & Gladys Ingram; Vern Schoen; Earl Ward; Herald Cox;
Doug Hitt; Don Tolsma;Rollin Hatfield; Mary Hatfield; Chet Ward;
L. Z1 (W.I.R.A.); Del Gould; T. Gwynn; Dirksen & Charles Steven (Dairy
Show Board); Ray Holaday; Roger Welker; John Matzinger; R.B. Glenn;
Gary D. Smith; Bruce Stuart; Michael Milhollin; Howard Craven (Hunter Est.)
Clare Glenn (Alpha Engrs.)
Agenda The minutes of the previous meeting were approved as read.
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Jim Stubblefield was present and requested permission fora conditional use permit to
place a formica shop in their warehouse complex at the North- 40 feet of building one.
He presented a plat for Council review on the proposal. He had discussed the proposal
with two of the Council members.
They own the property on all sides. It is a clean business which involves laminating
formica in the building. There will be no trash accumulated inside or outside and no
noxious vapors or anything of that nature. It will use little water or sewer.
Egress and ingress will be through Franklin Road only.
Stubblefield stated that they are going to landscape all they own along Franklin Road.
Ttte Motion was made by Joseph Glaisyer and seconded by Grant Kingsford to allow the
Formica shop under a conditional use permit in Franklin Square.
Motion passed: Kingsford, yea; Bodine, yea; Glaisyer, yea.
Agenda
3 ~4eridian P1anor #2 Vacation
# R' Larry Sale was present representing the request for Smith/Bews. He stated that they are
requesting vacation of Meridian Manor #2 and approval of Meridian Manor #3. He outlined
a meeting he held with residents of Meridian Manor #1 and recommended to Smith/Bews
they eliminate duplexes under consideration on lots located .next to single family residence"
in #1, and the Subdivision across 8th Street.
Smith/Bews agreed to eliminate almost 20% of the duplexes. Sale refferenced a map
showing where duplex lots can be located. He argued for the duplex lots backing up to
the 1~lobile Home Park. They may not build duplexes on all the proposed lots. All duplexes
will be built by Smith/Bews, no lots will be sold for construction of a duplex dwelling.
Rental property upkeep was outlined. Sale outlined the status of unkept property.
Sale requestedtapproval~ofpthelvacationuandnapprovalnof #3He explained the traffic system.
Streets were discussed.
Williams called for comment from the public.
Eric Gabrielson was present representing the property owners on the question of
Vacation of Meridian Manor #2 and acceptance of #3.
In a prepared statement he stated; "On Friday night, January 26, 1979, twenty-fo~~r
residents of Meridian Manor #I and Cherry Manor met to discuss Vacation of Meridian
,,,,,.,,,,,,,..~,.t4anor #2 and approval of Meridian Manor #3. All those people attendointshwere agreed ~!
received a certified letter concerning this matter. The following p
upon: Proposal: We will agree to Meridian Manor #2 providing the duplexes or multi-
family dwellings are excluded. These dwellings have been proposed for Lots 9 & 10.
Or: We will agree to Vacation of Meridian Manor #2 and approve Meridian Manor #3,
provided that there are no duplexes or P1ulti-Family Units." "The reasons for opposing
duplexes or Multi-family units in Meridian Manor #2 and Meridian Manor #3:
1) There is a possibility of lack of upkeep on duplexes or mutli-family dwellings
by renters or owners of rental units.
2) There will be a possible detrimental effect on the value of property adjacent o
lexes or mutli-family units.
3) People owning homes in the subdivision should have a choice in what type o
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dwelling is adjacent to their property. The consensus of our group is that these
should be single family dwellings instead of duplexes or mutli-family units.
4) Although you have decreased the number of lots in Meridian Manor #3. The total
number of dwelling units has increased:
Meridian h1anor #2: 100 lots designated on the plat as single family dwellings.
Meridian Manor #3: 92 lots - 18 duplex lots and 24 single family lots which provided for
110 dwelling units (Footnote: this shows an increase of 10 dwelling units by the vacation
of #2 and approval of #3)
(Note: lots 9 and 10 are the only lots designated on the plat as duplex lots. The other
lots designated as duplex lots were handwritten in)."
"Questions concerning presentation of plats: 1) On the plats for Meridian Manor #2,
lots 9 and 10 were not sepcified as duplex or multi-family lots. The only mention of
the fact that these could possibly be duplex lots was in the covenants."
"On the application for Subidivision approval for Meridian Manor #2, which was signed by
Burt Smith, it is stated that the Subdivision would consist only of single-family dwellings."
2) The revised Tentative Plat, dated January, 1978, was presented to the Planning and
Zoning Committee. This plat was to replace the plat for Meridian Manor #2. The only
lots specified as duplex or multi-family were two lots at the East End of Cranmer Drive
and the last lot on the Southeast corner of Willowbrook and lots 9 & 10 on N.W. 8th.
No mention was made of any duplexes or multi-family units on Longford or Crestmont or any
additional Duplexes or mutli-family units on Cranmer.
3) The only exit presently planned for Meridian Manor.#3 is Crestmont Drive. Since
Crestmont is only 50' wide, the impact of extra traffic from tli~ new Subdivision would
create a definite hazzard to existing dwellings on this street. It would also create
more traffic problems on Cherry Lane'.' "Even though there are plans in the future for
extending at least one exit in Meridian Manor #2 on through to Meridian Street, there
was some concern voiced that people would be in the habit of using Crestmont and would
not utilize the new street."
"4) Upon reading the minutes from April 3, 1978 to the .present, no mention was made of
any additional duplex lots or multi-family lots except for January 15, 1979. At this
.time, concerned residents of Meridian Manor' #1 and Cherry Manor specifically inquired
about additional duplex or multi-family lots."
"5) We are also concerned. about the reasoning for developing Bedelco's property in such
a piecemeal fashion. i.e. The property along N.W. 8th and the property North of
Meridian Manor #2."
"Concerns about Covenants: 1) We feel that there should be some additional covenant
which would concern the maintenance of property within the Subdivision. i.e., setting a
time limit, within which a lawn would have to be planted and maintained."
"Ending Points: 1) We feel that when a Plat is presented for approval, it should be
specifically designated what is to be built on each lot. 2) We would like the City
Council to be aware of the fact that we are concerned about the growth of our Subdivision
We also realize that the developers are also concerned with keeping high standards on
any expansion proposal. Therefore, we would like to work closely with them in developing
a plan that would be satisfactory to all concerned."
Sale congratulated the citizens on the presentation and research. He also stated that
no duplexes will be placed adjacent to single family homes. They show multiplex along
Peridian Road.
Williams stated that they are speaking to the Plat for #2 as it currently stands.
Sale stated that #2 was plated as a low middle cost housing area, the intent now is to
increase the value of all the dwellings constructed in it.
Sale agreed on the points for the covenants and would like input if there are suggestions.
Glaisyer inquired how much other property was owned by the developers.
Sale outlined the area.
Glaisyer inquired what the developer's intentions were in the undeveloped areas.
Sale stated that the same general lot size as in #3.Along the East side large lots have
been presented for possible commercial/office area.
Kingsford inquired why the land along 8th Street was left out.
Sale stated primarily to wait the decision of the City on the use of the Treatment Plant.
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Doug Hitt requested the compromise on duplex lots be repeated.
Sale complied and outlined the lots.
E. Gabrielson stated that he felt these points of opposition were still valid and they
should specify what is going on each lot. Duplexes lined up in a row is poor planning in
comparison to the development already existing. He stated that he felt the piecemeal
approach could develop into more duplexes than houses.
Cherry Lane was discussed and future proposals for fouraane traffic flow was discussed.
E. Gabrielson stated that they are trying to get some points settled so they can determine
future growth and development. As a resident of the area it is of concern to him and
effects the health of their Subidivsion and the City in the future.
Gene Kindred from Meridian Manor #1 inquired about access to the North. He wanted to
know what access was planned and how police and fire protection would be effected because
of emergencies without an entrance from the backside, N.W. 8th.
Williams requested comment from Fire Chief Welker on access for fire emergencies.
Welker stated that he was unfamiliar with the development but stated that if the one
road was blocked there would be no access.
Sale stated there is a secondary access to the property through the old sewer treatment
plant site.
Williams stated at the present time there is an open ditch cutting the property paralle l
to N.W. 8th Street.
The area around the treatment plant was discussed.
Welker stated that his trucks need an all weather street to support the vehicles.
Kingsford stated that the issue at hand is whether to vacate or not vacate.
Kindred inquired if the vacant lots along 8th Street were to be Platted.
a Carole Gabrielson stated that she had the last plat presented to the Planning and
Zoning Commission and N. W. 8th is platted, also the area above #2. This Plat designated
all the lots on N. W. 8th as 18 more duplex lots. She pointed out that 36 duplexes is
too many far that neighborhood.
Kingsford inquired when the Plat was produced. It was January 1978.
He stated that his plat of #2 shows N.bJ. 8th as unplatted.
Williams stated that Planning and Zoning had eliminated some duplex lots.
Sale stated that his understanding was that Planning and Zoning and the Council approved
the Preliminary Plat as revised with the exception that lots along Meridian Road be held
from judgement until the completion of the Comprehensive Plan. They submitted the old
and new Preliminary, the old Plat of #2 and the new Plat of #3 all in one package.
Glaisyer stated that the citizen group has had some goad input and stated his position
is to withhold judgement or vote it down. If the two groups feel they. .can work something
out then it can be tabled, otherwise he supported the citizens group.
'" ' `Sale stated that there is not any way the developers can satisfy the demands of the
residents.. They have been in the process for a long time on numerous occasions.
Developers are ready to move forward in the spring, interest, rates are high. He requested
they be approved, the Council set a compromise but decide tyre issue tonight.
The Motion was made by Joseph Glaisyer and seconded by Grant Kingsford that the request
for vacation of Meridian Manor #2 be denied.
E. Gabrielson requested clarification on what was allowable on lots 9 and 10, duplex
or single family.
Williams stated that he felt either/or was approved. Ile stated that he lived in #1
and was in sympathy with the citizens group - he is affected too. lie cornrnended the
citizens presentation. He suggested a compromise and offered that Smith and Bews do
build a quality Subdivision-in everyone3 opionion, that is not a point of contention.
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Storey Stated that you cannot condemn every building in town or you will run businesses
out.
Glasiyer inquired what would happen if there was a fire out there and they had bean granted
a variance from the Cade.
Crookston stated that the situation was worse than the Race Track. They did not change
the use, here you have a remodeling - a permit should have been obtained and the money
that has been expended for remodeling could have been avoided.
Storey felt the Council had bent on the Race Track. He clarified that he was note
-'. here when a decision was made and he inquired if there was to be a strict. interpretation
`~ or not.
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;; Crookston state the situation is different. The Race Track didn't involve remodeling,
it had same Grandfather Rights in that type of situation. Here you have remodeling and
"~ you have the ability to bring it up to Gode. The situation is worse than the Race Track:
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Attorney Bill Donovan was present representing Mr. Nichols, lessee from Hansen.
He suggested they go pack and try to put something in writing an suggested solutions
for the Council to vote on.
. Hansen stated Chandler Corp. did not sprinkle and this is a precedent.
The Motion was made by Joseph Glaisyer,and seconded by Richard Williams to table the
request until a letter is received from the owner and lessee on possible solutions.
Motion passed: Williams, yea; Glaisxer, yea; Kingsford, yea.
Agenda Meridian Manor #2 Vacation
Larry Sale, L.D. Bews and Bert Smith were present representing the request.
1~~ Sale stated that they had worked out an agreement with hams owners in the development,
• Smith and Bews will reduce the number of •lots available for duplex dwellings.
The lots available for duplex dwellings are lots 10 - 13- 15- 24 - 25 - 25- 27- 2B -
29 and 30 of Block four (4). The Homeowners requested the covenants be changed to include
~ stronger language on timing of completion of improvements to Property, specifically
finish work on painting and trim, along with landscaping and lawn improvements.
They found that their covenants meet will all FHA requirements. They put soma language
together for the Homeowners consideration, They stressed the parking of recreational.
., vehicles and general appearance and neatness of the property and landscaping completion
timetable.
The third compromise that was reached was that the developers would start processing
Phase IV at the time they have completed 50% of the houses in this project to aid
access to the east.
Erik Gabrielson outlined the agreement to include access to the east was primarily to get
traffic access and fire and insurance standards. -They agree the covenant criteria has
been met.
'~ Williams stated a thing to remember is that the covenants are enforced by people living
in the development.
';?. Lots allowable for duplex development were clarified 10 - 13 through 15 and 24 through ~I,
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°' Sharon North discussed duplex lots.
""~"` isi<T1~"'il°hl~~anti-il-'d Pial; showing the duplex lots, u
Kingsford stated that the culdesac off Crestmont Circle is not named.
Sale stated it didn't require a name because there are fewer than six dwellings.
Kingsford stated that he had discussed access problems with Mr. Bews previously.
Bews has stated whenever the adjacent property owners are willing to put in their half
of the street, he would be willing to put in his half. Since then he spoke. with the
other owners and they indicated they were ready but they stated Mr. Bews was not.
Bews stated until the old plant is moved, they cannot sell lots there.
Williams stated that the old Plant may not be moved.
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Agenda Meridian Manor #2 Vacation (Gont'd)
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Kingsford stated that there is a need for a name change to pelmar prive that lines up with
Willowbrook Drive. For continuity, one should be changed.
Sale wanted to study the issue and stated that they will work with City Staff.
Kingsford stated that he would like to see another access preferably on 8th Street.
Glaisyer inquired what the developers .would do .with 8th Street lots if .the sewer plant
is not dismantled. .
Kingsford stated that the dirt piles are a nuisance because of Motorcycle riders.
Bews explained. that they will use the dirt when construction begins.
Williams stated that they need access even if it is a all weather surface to 8th Street,
to make a connection from pelmar to Willowbrook.
Sale discussed dirt piles. He inquired if the Council will accept a gravel surface for
the connection to 8th Street.
Kingsford stated that he would like to see the developers get together and see if a
finished street could be worked out.
The Motion was made by Glaisyer and seconded by Williams to vacate Meridian Manor N2
and accept Meridian Manor #3 with contingencies that they connect to 8th Street and duplex
lots specified as lots 10,13,14,15,24 through 30 of Block 4."
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Motion carried: Williams, yea; Glaisyer, yea; Kingsford, yea.
Agenda
5 Boise Cascade requesting a variance from set-back requirement fora warehouse.
C.A. Thompson and pennis Jackson were present representing the request.
Thompson presented photographs. Jackson stated that they were requesting the Council to
wave the 20 foot set-back on 3rd Street. The building will be identj,cal to the one on
3rd and Broadway...
~ Schoen stated that they need a variance on record.
Kingsford moved to grant Boise Cascade a variance from the set-back. requirement for a
structure on 3rd Street, seconded by Glaisyer
Motion carried:. Williams, yea; Glaisyer, yea; Kingsford, yea.
Agenda
6 Sunny Brook Farms #2 Final Plat.
Max eoesiger was present representing the request. He outlined the development.
He stated that Phase I is sold out; they want the builders to stay for Phase II.
They are going with a construction phase of approximately 59 lots - there are 52 in
Phase I. He outlined the park. They have amended the covenants in Phase I to institute.
a Homeowners Association for maintenance of the park...
Ward, Waste Treatment Superintendent, cleared the plans; Stuart, Pu61ic Work's, stated
that they have his changes. Smith stated that there were three areas where variances
Its ~" ars needed. One is concerned with' traffic, Todd Wdy appears to be 4 cR11aFtRp S1:CRR~,,
In the past the City .has accepted ACHp standards. They meet ACHb requirements-bat-Ma~d->":~:-
a variance from City Ordinances.
The point was discussed.
It was pointed out that in Phase I the width was 36 feet.
Boesiger suggested that the ~r'oblem could be resolved if they incorporated the larger
street as they approach Ustick, after Chateau prive.
Wright explained the layout. They designed Todd as a internal residehtial typpe street. _`
A collector is planned east of Sunnybrook. There is a simular situation in GTennfield
Manor.
5903 Franklin Road
Boise,ldaho 83705
Telephone (208) 336-5850
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September 26, 1978
Mr. Herald Cox, City Clerk
City of Meridian
728 Meridian Street
Meridian, Idaho 83642
Dear Mr. Cox:
Please consider this letter as a formal application to vacate the
subdivision plat of Meridian Manor No. 2 Subdivision.
This request is made on behalf of Bedelco, Inc., the developers of
Meridian Manor Subdivisions. Immediately following vacation of Meridian
Manor No. 2 plat, Bedelco, Inc., will offer for City approval and sub-
sequent recording a subdivision (Meridian Manor No. 3 Subdivision) which
will subdivide again the area now occupied by Meridian Manor No. 2. The
reason for this request is a desire for Bedelco, Inc., to construct
larger dwellings than originally intended for Meridian Manor Subdivision,
thus requiring larger lots than are subdivided in Meridian Manor No. 2.
I have discussed this matter with your office on several occasions,
and today with Mr. Fitzgerald who advises me that it is proper for him to
prepare the necessary advertisements, notices, and procedural recommenda-
tions on behalf of the City. Bedelco, Inc., understands that they will be
asked to pay reasonable charges incurred by Mr. Fitzgerald's office and
your office. Please advise me of any assistance which I can render to
expedite the processing of this request.
Your office has on file already, copies of the legal description of
Meridian Manor No. 2 and of the proposed Meridian Manor No. 3. If you
desire additional copies, please advise me immediately. Thank you in
advance for your cooperation.
Respectfully submitted for Bedelco, Inc.
J-U-B ENGINEERS, In.~~~"(/'"`
wrence R. Sale
LRS:ng Chief, Planning Department
cc: John Fitzgerald
Ed Bews
U-B ENGINEERS, INC.
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Jnly 3 Council
Meridian City Hall
June 5, 1978
COMMENTS
VACATINiMERIDIAN MANOR ~2
ACCEPTING MERIDIAN MANOR f{3
Location: Lying N. of Cherry Ln and E of W. 8th St.
Extending to Meridian Street at a place
W. of James Court Annex. located on
Meridian Street.
1. Meridian Post Office:
Mr. Frost has shown is red.dote~recommended at a minimum that
cut outs be provided at the curb line or supports to accomodate
curb line mail boxes to be served from a vehicle.
2. Fire Chief, Roger Welker
a. Do not approve unless street names changed to be consistent
with present streets.
1. Kenmore Drive changed to West 7th
2. Galway Drive to be changed to West 6th
b. All water and street widths consistent to Ordinance and
City policies.
3. Nampa-Meridian Irrigation: McCarter & Tuller. Inc. (Engineer's)
5 mile Creek is a drain, the district has no easement-at the
extreme northwest corner the Cresson feeder takes out of
5 Mile Crrek. It appears this feeder will not be disturbed
by the Subdivision. Drain ditches, like 5 Mile, supply
irrigation water, we require some form of surface runoff
treatment is storm drain systems. Treatment in the form of
retention ponds, sediment & grease traps will be required
at the northwest corner or at Galwgq Drive bridge crossing.
Suggest that Settlers Canal District System be contacted for
comment.
4. Central District Health:
a. We can approve this proposal for Central Sewage; Central
Water
b. Plana for Community sewage - Central Water
c. Street runoff is not to create a mosquito breeding problem.
5. Richard Williams:
a. Cannot accept Lots 9 & 10~ Block 2 as duplex. This is not
in harmony with the rest of the area.
Hearing with Proper Notice
Vacate Meridian Manor #2
Council - December 4, 19']8 ~q~ ~/Y Located in Meridian Manor Subdivision
/ East of 8th St. and North of Cherry Ln.
CCI4MMENTS
Item 3.
6.
Has this been properly published and notices sent to the necessary
surrounding residents
7. &ichard Williams: (Comment 5.) No other comments at this time.
8. Grant Kingsford: Would be glad to see the bigger dwellings
9. Plans are approved with following conditions:
1) For the sewer & water main crossing on Line A,L.#.# (Sheet 6)
reference shouldbe made to sewer note number 9 concerning materials
of construction,
2) Sanitary restrictions shall remain in force on the dryline sewers
until such time as sewer lines are connected to Meridian collection
system & the new Meridian Treatment Plant is operational.
See letter with File for details for submitting plans
10.
CENTRA)~ISTRICT HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
Review Sheet Return to:
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Rezone /1 ~,-~ f~le~l21 _~ ~t / J- (~ ,,7 ~ Eagle
Conditional use ~_ `~J,~_t,f ~ Meridian
_ __ Preliminary/Final/Short Plat ~ _ Kuna
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1. ~ We have no objections to this proposal.
2. We recommend denial of this proposal.
3. Specific knowledge as to the exact type of use must be
provided before we can comment on this proposal.
4. ~ We will require more data concerning soil conditions nn
this proposal before we can comment.
5. We will require more data concerning the depth of (high
seasonal ground water)(solid lava) from original grade
before we can comment concerning individual sewage dis-
posal.
6. We can approve this proposal for individual sewage dis-
posal to be located (2,4) feet above high seasonal ground
water, 4 feet above solid lava lavers.
7. ~ We can approve this proposal for:
kCentral sewage -Interim sewage Individual sewage
and 1Central water _Individual water -Community water
well.
8. \ Plans for Community sewage Sewage dry lines, and
Central water -Community water must be submitted to and
approved by the Regional Health and Welfare Environmental
Services Office.
9. ~ Street runoff is not to create a mosquito breeding problem.
10. This department would recommend deferral until high season-
al ground water can be determined it other considerations
indicate approval.
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CLEMONS, COSH O, HUMPHREY &SAMUELSEN
GALE CLEMONS RICHARD H. GREENER
LOUIS H.DOSHO COUNSELLORS AND ATTORNEYS AT LAW PAUL T. BAIRD
HOWARD HUMPH REV FRED RIC V. SHOEMAKER
DAVID R. SAMUELSEN 1110 BANK OF IDAHO BUILDING STANLEY W. WELSH
MAX A. E10 EN, JR. KATHERINE A. HAMPSON
RANOALL GFREO RIC KB. BOISE, IDAHO 83]02
ALAN D. CAMERON II
R. MIC HAEL SOUTHCOMBE
TELEPHONE (20 B) 344 -811
May 23, 1978
F+iAY 2 ~; 19 i 8
Mayor of Meridian
Meridian City Council
City of Meridian
City Hall
Deridian, Idaho 83642
RE: Vacation of Meridian Manor No. 2
Subdivision Plat
Gentlemen:
We represent Mr. Ed Bews of Boise, Idaho. Mr. Bews
is the owner of the Meridian Manor No. 2 Subdivision.
We hereby request on behalf of Mr. Bews that the
present Meridian Manor No. 2 Subdivision Plat be vacated
and that a revised plat for Meridian Manor No. 3 Subdivision
be accepted for platting. We understand that you have no
forms presently available to initiate this process. We
therefore ask that the process be initiated by this writing.
Enclosed you will find the following:
1. Legal description of Meridian Manor No. 2
Subdivision;
2. Plat showing Meridian Manor No. 2 Subdivision
(1" = 100');
3. Reduced plat showing Meridian Manor No. 2
Subdivision (1" = 300');
4. Revised tentative plat showing Meridian Manor
No. 3 Subdivision (1" = 300') being proposed
for platting immediately after No. 2 is vacated;
and
5. Plat showing proposed Meridian Manor No. 3
Subdivision (1" = 100').
Mayor of Meridian
Meridian City Council
May 23, 1978
Page 2
Would you please advise us as to when the hearing will
be held on the request to vacate the present existing plat
and to approve the revised plat. Thank you for your cooperation.
Very truly yours,
CLEMONS, COSHO, HUMPHREY & SAMUELSEN
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By Richard H. Greener
RHG/ljw
Enclosures
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AMBROSE.
FITZGERALD &
CROOKSTON
ATTORNEYS PND
COUNSELORS
929 E15T PIRST
MERIDIAN. OAHO
83662
~EPHO NE BB8-446
P E T I T I O N
COMES NOW, BEDELCO, INC., an Idaho corporation, through
the undersigned officer, and petitions the City of Meridian to
vacate that certain plat known as Meridian Manor No. 2
Subdivision, the same being the full legal description of the.`
.property as platted.
The circumstances for this request is that the plat, as
it presently exists, is not such that it is not possible to
construct larger dwellings, and it is the desire of your peti-
tioner to resubdivide said land in such a manner as to make it
possible to .construct larger dwellings than originally anticipate$
Attached to this petition are the names of all persons
effected by said petition. The names contained herein are all
parties who are property owners within 300 feet of the boundaries`
of the area so described. ___ ._
DATED This Zqf~ day of ~/eiirmwl_ _ _. 1978.
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BEDELCO, INC., an Idaho.
corporation
BY~~w~ --
-officer
NOTICE OF PUBLIC FIEARING
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AMBROSE.
FITZGER AID 8
'OROO KSTON
h""~ FTTORNEVS LND
<OON9ELOR9
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:9II9 EAST PIRST
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NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN, pursuant to .the Ordinances of the
City of Meridian and the laws of the State of Idaho, that a
hearing before the City Council of the City of Meridian will be
held at the City Hall in the City of Meridian, at the hour of
7:30 p,M., on January 15, 1979 for the purpose of
vacation of Meridian Manor Ldo. 2 Subdivision.
Any and all interested parties shall be heard at the above '
scheduled hearing.
DATED This 13 day Of 1)ecemUer , 1978.
-C _- J
ity Clerk ~,/
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