HomeMy WebLinkAboutMeridian Townsite Project FileCommission Meeting - July 12, 1979
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EASEMENT AGREEMENT - WYETH LABORATORIES - Ray Putman presented the easement agreement
for Broadway Avenue for signature. He also presented the change in the legal description
on Meridian Street for the Commissioners to initial. Mr. Putman changed the legal to
read "33 feet from centerline" instead of six inches from the building. Commissioner
Fairbanks moved approval of the easement agreement for the Wyeth 4aboratores on Broad -
Way Street in Meridian. Commissioner Silva seconded. Motion carried unanimously.
AUTHORITY TO INVEST Mike Brokaw presented a request for Authority to Invest as
per attached. Commissioner Fairbanks moved to approve the Authority to Invest and to
secure the best rate available. Commissioner Silva seconded. Motion carried
unanimously.
VOUCHER REGISTER*- Commissioner Silva moved to approve the voucher register for the
month of June, 1979. Commissioner Fairbanks seconded. Motion carried unanimously.
SUBDIVISIONS - FINAL IL- TS
Bradley Field Business Par - John aoines explained that this is proposed to be located
close to the Garden City offices. Discussion with the engineer for the development
followed. The Commission was concerned about the access onto Chinden Blvd, The develop-
ment has not been designed as yet. Commissioner Silva suggested that the staff meet
with representatives from the State and the developers to resolve the problem of access
onto Chinden Boulevard. Approval of plat deferred until the problem is worked out.
Candle Ridge Subdivision - John Joines presented the plat and recommended approval.
Discussion of the proposed development followed. Commissioner Silva moved to approve
the plat for Candle Ridge Subdivision and to authorize the Chairman of the Commission
to sign the plat. Commissioner Fairbanks seconded. Motion carried unanimously.
Thornton Subdivision No. 1 - John Joines said this subdivision is located south of
Victory Road and recommended approval. Interior streets are all private. Commissioner
Fairbanks moved to approve the plat for Thornton Subdivision No. l and to authorize
the Chairman of the Commission to sign the plat. Commissioner Silva seconded. Motion
carried unanimously.
Castle Hills Subdivision - John Joines presented the plat and recommended approval.
Commis oner Fairbanks moved to approve the plat for Castle Hills Subdivision No. 1
and to authorize the Chairman of the Commission.to sign.the plat. Commissioner
• Silva seconded. Motion carried unanimouslyGary Funkhouser explained that the
other streets around the subdivision will be imp'atted more than Castle Drive.
Bowling Green Subdivision - Formerly a portion of Demeyers Estates No. 2, the sub-
v s on was recommended for approval. John Joines explained that the Highway District
is restricting access on Lot 1 Block 1, so that direct driveway access will not be
allowed onto Cloverdale Road. Commissioner Silva moved to approve the plat for
Bowling Green Subdivision with the contingency as stated above and that the Chairman
of theCommissionbe authorized to sign the plat. Commissioner Fairbanks seconded.
Motion carried unanimously.
HYDE PARK'�SUBDIVISION - APPEAL OF ALLEY PAVING - John Keebaugh, representing Elly
Parker, explained that Ms, arker still feels that she shouldn't be required to pay
for having the whole alley paved. Discussion followed concerning the possibility of
an L.I.D. in the area. Mr. Keebaugh said that the alley is only thirteen feet wide,
and that.a brick wall.that is in the alley leaves an effective width of about ten
feet at one point. He � A1,1C4i;1r_•4 k.,kA• '?i`*r
will not be increasing the load on the alley. The cost of the project was discussed
h i a iretty good base and would probably cost in the
and it was decided that t ere s p
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT
KARL JEPPESEN, PRESIDENT
LEON FAIRBANKS, VICE PRESIDENT
MIKE SILVA, SECRETARY
318 E. 37TH STREET
BOISE, IDAHO 83704
PHONE: 384-8938
Minutes of the Regular Meeting held June 21, 1979, at 12:00 Noon, in the offices
of the Ada County Highway District, 318 East 37th Street, Boise, Idaho.
Commissioners Jeppesen, Fairbanks, and Silva present.
Ada County Highway District staff present: Gary Funkhouser, John Joines, Frank
Capshaw, Chuck Smith, Mike Brokaw, Marcia True, Alice Sinsel.
Citizens present: Twenty
EXECUTIVE SESSION: The Ada County Highway District Board of Commissioners declared
that they were in Executive Session at 11:30 a.m., under authorization of Chapter 23,
Section 67-2345, Idaho Code. Executive Session adjourned at 12:00 noon.
Regular Meeting convened at 12:05 p.m.
MOUNTAIN VIEW BIKE LANE - AL KISER - Mr. Kiser and several other property owners
attended the meeting to protest the removal of parking from the front of their prop-
erties on Mountain View Drive. The removal is for the Bike Lane. The property
owners submitted a petition and the petition is attached to these minutes.
Commissioner Fairbanks explained the original reasons for the L.I.D. on Mountain
View Drive and that the decision was made to only require the property owners to
pay for curb and gutter.
The citizens explained that they have meetings or parties and then do not have a
place for guests to park. They also were concerned about the fact that they have
two bike lanes that do not connect to anything. They do not object to having the
bike lane on the one side of the street.
Mr. Guise explained the progress of the area from the time the L.I.D. was constructed
to the present and how the Mountain View Bike Lane will eventually connect with other
lanes. He further explained the safety factors of having lanes on both sides of the
street and the new City Ordinance that requires bicycle riders to ride with the traffic.
Mr. Guise explained that Mountain View Drive has either got to be brought up to
standards for bike paths or forgotten as a bike path all together, and said his
recommendation to remove parking from the area stands.
A young man from Caldwell explained that he rides his bike to work and that this
route is one of the best to get downtown from the west.
After further discussion, Commissioner Fairbanks moved to take the concerns of the
property owners under advisement and that the problem be reviewed to see if something
can be done in a compromise that will be workable. Commissioner Silva seconded and
suggested that the Commissioners go out there to see what can be done. Motion carried
unanimously. Property owners will be notified when the subject will be on the agenda.
again.
EXECUTIVE SESSION EXPLANATION - Commissioner Silva asked that the record show that/
pay steps and scales for certain employees of the Highway District were discussed,�'
and that no decision was made except to set a meeting for June 29, at 11:30 for/
decision.
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permit be used, which is basically the same as our license agreement, revokable upon
'written notice to the applicant. The building is to be kept for historical value.
Federal Highway Administration requires total clearance of the right-of-way, but Mr.
Roden feels that if the easement is granted before the street is part of the State
System, there will not be a problem. Mr. Roden stated that he would pay for any
required purchase of additional right-of-way across the street in the future to make
sure the building is not in public right-of-way. Commissioner Silva said the Highway
District will need something to insure ut that a future Federal project would not be
jeopardized because of the encroachment. After discussion, Commissioner Silva moved to
set a hearing for the proper legal time to vacate the .6 foot or any amount of property
over the 33 feet of right-of-way. After further discussion, Commissioner Silva with-
drew his motion and moved to authorize a permanent easement with supporting memorandum
from Mr. Roden on the various points discussed for the easement and that a public
hearing be set to vacate the subject area, with the Highway District retaining 33
feet of right-of-way from the existing survey lines. Commissioner Fairbanks seconded.
Motion carried unanimously.
Commissioner Silva excused himself and left the meeting.
SOUTHEAST CORRIDOR - AL MARSDEN - Mr. Marsden presented a map of the Southeast Corridor
and explained that he feels that he has verbal agreement to allow this particular section
of road to be built next year. The road will be a two lane facility all the way through
but there are two small sections that will require Ada County Highway District parti-
cipation in the amount of $40,000. He asked for permission to submit a proposal in
detail and to work with the staff to see that this portion of the road is built.
Commissioner Fairbanks said he understood that the developer was to develop two lanes
of the four lanes, and that in the future the Highway District will have to pay for
the additional two lanes when the public need is evident. Discussion followed con-
cerning the request for the Highway District to participate in construction costs of the
two sections of the two lanes. After further discussion, Mr. Marsden was advised that
he could work with staff to see what could be developed. No decision or commitment
was made.
SUBDIVISIONS - FINAL PLATS
Camas Park - Located off Camas Street. John Joines explained the area and recommended
approval. After discussion, Commissioner Fairbanks moved approval of the plat for
Camas Park Subdivision and authorization for the Chairman of the Commission to sign
the plat. Commissioner Jeppesen seconded. Motion carried unanimously.
Way Bar Estates - John Joines presented the plat located off Mountain View and
recommended approval. Commissioner Fairbanks moved approval of Way Bar Estates Sub-
division and authorization for the Chairman of the Commission to sign the plat.
Commissioner Jeppesen seconded. Motion carried.
Castle Hills Subdivision No. 1 - John Joines explained that the plat is in for final
approval and everything is in except the surety and due to the magnitude of the project,
the surety could not be secured from one institution. Mr. Joines recommended that the
plat be conditionally approved so that the plat can be signed when the letter of credit
and the last portion of the surety is in. Discussion held concerning the impact of
the development on major intersections in the area. Developers are complying with all
the current policies. After further discussion, Commissioner Fairbanks moved to
approve the plat for Castle Hills Subdivision No. 1, subject to receipt of the letter
of credit and the receipt of required sureties by the staff, and that at that time to
authorize the Chairman of the Commission to sign the plat. Commissioner Jeppesen
seconded. Motion carried unanimously.
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Meridian, Idaho 83642
Mr. Harold Cox
City of Meridian
Meridian, Idaho 83642
Dear Mr. Cox:
Enclosed are two petitions signed in agreement to my using the
residences at 129 E. Pine and 121 E. Pine for offices. These
houses are located in the business district of Meridian, and it
does not seem practical to rent them for residences.
In the event a variation is obtained for these two properties, I will
provide parking on the rear portions of the lots for employees.
The property at 129 E. Pine is now used for a doctor's office, however*
the Doctor is seeking a location of his own. This property already
has its own parking area for employees.
Thank you for your consideration in this matter.
Sincerely yo
OBarba J. Nesmith
It is agreeable with me if the property at 129 E. Pine, Meridian, Idaho,
is used for a business office. (This property was formally Dr. Nesmith•s office)
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5 Audit proposal by Fox & Company for 1982/83 Fiscal Year.
Mayor Glaisyer: "The total bill is the same as last year."
The Motion was made by Kingsford and seconded by Brewer to approve of the audit
proposed by Fox & Company.
Motion Carried: Kingsford, yea; Tolsma, yea; Orton, yea; Brewer, yea;
Item
6 Request by Senior Citizens for renewal of Variance for Use of Boiler Room at
_ Creamery Building for Hobby Shop.
Mayor Glaisyer: "That was a one year variance, it is up this month. I don'.t
know of any problems there."
All Department Heads agreed that there was no problem in renewing the variance.
6. 198?I
The Motion was made by Kingsford and seconded by Tolsma to approve of the renewal
of the variance request by the Senior Citizens for use of the boiler room at the
Creamery for their Hobby Shop for 1 year.
Motion Carried: Kingsford, yea; Tolsam, yea; Orton, yea; Brewer, yea;
Item
7 Letter to Ada County Commissioners Regarding Rocky Mountain Development
Mayor Glaisyer explained that this was on the Agenda of the August 15, 1983
meeting, and that the City Clerk, Jack Niemann, was instructed by the Council
at that time to prepare a letter to Ada County. (See Minutes of August 15, 1983
On file - City Clerk's Office.) (Letter on file with these Minutes)
Glaisyer: "Do any of the Council Members have any problem with the letter itself?"
It was the consensus of the Council that*the letter contained the material that hgd
been discussed at the previous meeting.
Larry Hellanke representing Rocky Mountain Development requested permission to
approach the Council to give findings that he had gathered since the last meeting.
Hellanke explained that in talking to Sheldon Gerber from Ada County Zoning, he
had found that the only way Ada County would approve or would recommend approval
would be if the area is in or found to be in the Meridian USPA, or if Meridian
chooses to annex the area.
Hellanke said that he "still believes I am in your USPA."
Hellanke said that he had some confusion in his mind over the wording of the
Urban Service Planning Area and the Urban Sewer Service Planning Area.
Kingsford questioned the distinction between the USPA (Urban Service Planning Area)
and the USSPA (Urban Sewer Service Planning Area.)
Orton: "I know that I was referring to the Urban Sewer Service Planning Area as the
Urban Service Planning Area." "In 1981, when we made this change whether.the word
Sewer',is in there or not, I was here, and I know I clearly meant Urban Service
Planning Area. I meant both the areas would shrink to that level or modify to
that level. The message got clearly conveyed to APA, because their current maps
show it is correct. By way of explaining this confusion with the things from
Planning & Zoning - Yes - they have, since we adopted that in 1981, they have come
back to the Council with Comp. Plan admendments and they have recommended the
different area. It stands not before us only as a recommendation." "So, Officially,
in my opinion, this boundary of the May 4, 1981 hearing is the Urban Service
Planning Area that we voted on. I know I can speak for my vote - I meant Urban
Service Planning Area - no matter how it got transcribed or how our language was
during the meeting.
eridian City Council 3. October 4, 1982
genda
4 QRU- Auction Location
Rick Tuckness, President of the Meridian QRU, was present to request approval of the Council
to hold an aution 11-4-82 in the Creamery Building to raise funds toward the purchase
of a new van. The QRU was approved for a State Emergency Medical Services matching funds
grant and approximately $5,000 is needed to fulfill their obligation. (Letter on file
with these minutes)
The Motion was made by Orton and seconded by Tolsma that the Council endorse and approve
the QRU Auction a the Creamery Building, to raise funds for a new van.
Motion Carried: Tolsma, yea; Orton, yea; Kingsford, yea
genda
5 Bills
The bills were read.
The Motion was made by Tolsma and seconded by Orton to approve and pay the bills.
Motion Carried: Tolsma, yea; Orton, yea; Kingsford, yea
.genda
6 Engineering Report
City Engineer Gary Smith J -U -B Engineers, Inc., presented Statement Number 8, HUD Project
Administration for sewer design, sewer inspection and water desing, signed by Wayne Forrey,
J -U -B.
The Motion was made by Orton and seconded by Tolsma that the Council approve J -U -B
Engineers, INc. Statement Number 8, HUD Project B -81 -DN -16-0001, from June 26 through
August 28, 1982 in the amount of $4,705.97.
Motion Carried: Tolsma, yea; Orton, yea; Kingsford, yea
Engineer Smith presented an agreement LD No. 25575, from the Union Pacific Railroad Co.
in regard to an underground water line crossing for Locust Grove Industrial Park,
Locust Grove Road. Smith stated that the application was submitted 4-8-81, and was for
both water and sewer. The sewer line crossing was omitted in this agreement. The
water lines are in conformance with this agreement. Engineer Smith has reviewed the
agreement extensively.
The Motion was made by Orton and seconded by Tolsma that the Council authorize the Mayor
to enter into the Agreement No. 25575 Water Line crossing with the Union Pacific Railroad
Co.
Motion Carried: Tolsma, yea; Orton, yea; Kingsford, yea
Engineer Smith presented Contract Change Order No. 2 and No. 3, Nay's Construction Co.,
1982 sewerage project, residential WasteWater service line rehabilitation. Smith
explained the justification of each item on the change orders, quantities of extra work
and their associated unit prices.
The Motion was made by Orton and seconded by Tolsma that the Council approve Contract
Change Order 2 and 3, 1982 Sewerage Project, Residential WasteWater Service Line
Rehabilitation .
Motion Carried: Tolsma, yea; Orton, yea; Kingsford, yea
Smith recommended payment of Application for payment Number 4 (Final) in the amount of
$3,764.84 subject to the release of the damaged property owner. The only problem was a
resident on West Idaho that had some water in basement. Smith explained this was brought
about by the ground water and the contractor did not make a tight patch when installing
the sewer service line. A water heater, a wood burning stove were slightly damaged, and
a formal complaint may be filed by the resident with the contractor.
The City has received all other releases on this project.
January 25, 1982
pec'ial Meeting called to order by •Mayor Joseph L. Glaisyer at 7:35 P.M.
F ouncilmen present: Grant Kingsford; Bill Brewer; Rick Orton Jr.; Ron Tolsiva
Others Present: Pim Hoogland; Larry Sundell; Brian Smith; Michael Hill;
John R. Hickman; Dale Bates; Deenis D. Sewald;Earl Ward;
Coenraad Abas; Bruce Stuart; Roger Welker; Skip Voss; Ray Sotero
r.Ian Smith; Brian Smith and Associates: "Larry and I have been working with
�;Sewald to put together some plans for the Creamery and we have a schematic model
d.. I would like to take you through with what we intend to do. Larry and I are
•*°ptarchitects in a firm in Boise and we have had ouite a lot to do with old buildings;
�
most recent renovation is Main Street Market Place and we have also done the
tteaff•'suilding. " "What Dennis want's to do with the Creamery Building is turn it into
14'y.1arge .active Farmer's Market and tie it in with community activities. The spaces,
F �r,A $ome,are in fairly good condition and some are not, and over a period of time they
uld:be developing it into a light processing or bulk produce - grains come in and
{were, packaged and Dennis has a business where those are shipped out to other buyers
over the country, and in some foreign countries. And.to also, since that would
` occupy this area of the building (Smith points out diagram), with warehousing here.
�tat.leay.es us this major portion of the building which we would intend to develop
Z, th--a',centt-ol access - punch a hole right through these two buildings (points out
;`sagrm) leaving approximately equal areas on either side to be developed into spaces
+o�- va.r-,,ying uses and .leased out to related businesses. Local produce would be bought
�1,6,th,6 .morning and •sold during the day, other activities would be planned. I think
r¢ ;the key .thing here is that the project would take place over a period of.�ime and
developed in stages. Ultimately we could see a - restaurant use in the old boiler
room -which is a very exciting space. This initial building here, according to the
'orlgin,al p1'ans, has very nice trus work and if that old ceiling were taken out,
uwp`�ld create a very nice, or very large space, for some larger use. It's anticipated
halt people from all over the Valley would come here to buy fresh produce, sellers
NQu.1d'come here to sell and that re could make a very fine community asset out of it."
1~9ayor:; "Any questions of 'Dennis or Brian at this time?"
pG4unCilman Rick Orton: "In general, your plan calls for a lot of retail activity?
r �vd:say people would come and buy the produce?"
wal, d.;. I would say yes. When it's completed it would be a lot of retail. We are
6 zzb sically wholesalers and will be the large user of the facility. We have about
� A,tgther,35,000 square feet that could be developed into retail'.- so it's about 50/50."
110ton.: "That's a lot of retail. Where do you plan parking?
�Wa1d; ".About 100 cars on site (points out possible parking locations)"
Y�$t, ere"•was discussion concerning the location of the railway spur which is privately
s Q (J{
prions "Can you give me any idea as to how this construction and development of this
t w 'Id"proceed. In the first phase of initial construction what might you try to do?"
Sawa1 d:'':' "tdumber 1 , we're trying to get our business into the Traci 1 i ty.We are the
Ma'Jor1ty of the user of the square footage there. Our business is Idaho Seed Company
�S* -Foods which is basically we do seed products and we do food products - the
ror�..`,portion of our program is packaging and processing - that's under an organic
�� gn-We don't deal with herbicides or pesticides. We do some commercial work as
rti tFafax;custom situation for other businesses, small packaging and so on. We do
rail and we do.,handla under trucks so we have both of those flowing.
fi > a4 ' Imate `.about 10 to 15"new people from Meridian for this facility - We already
ea` staff' of five or six.
1 The other businesses that could be plugged into this
" a
�i'�rl;butors, or: basically wholesalers, we would like to get maybe a small grocery
,ja r tei^e.on-a year round. basis. Some small businesses such as office space - there
" Si�t�umber:,of retai l' situations that couldo in there. We would like to cater to
we don't feel we should try to attract the people from Boise. Of course
tav, ant is a social affair and anybody will come 10 miles to a social function.
F=asyWNeon ract,..growers from Ontario to Idaho Falls that supply our business - majority
� ✓ a
�tft,m are 'in the Meridian area."
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,MJAe Hill.: "I do all the marketing for Bio Foods and Idaho Seed Company.
v. "4think the moststimulating thing. about thds project i -s the influx of traffic
}band the accessability of population. The concept of a Farmers Market - being able
uy directly from a farmer, bring people into town and to this part of town -
ould•say that people are going to the north end of town and this would be some-
a3�gr�.thl:ng to bring people into the center of town. So we are expecting a lot of people
cr`°R;hre.lo,eally, and around the surrounding areas, and users of food - which all of us
are - to come in to this store. We feel because of this facility is needing
, ,,ovati.on we;have taking steps on our blueprints to show how we will rectify that.
_a. update the'facility to where it would be an attraction, rather than a detraction,
xight:nov the facility is doing nothing and every year it will cost - no matter
vF)o it is - more money to renovate it or whatever needs to be done. We're trying
};, build in some revenue in this area, it's a large enough facility to allow our
,-`:'concepts to fit our program, allows us to expand and bring in this type of traffic.
feel,it will help stimulate the economy here, pay more taxes, hire people - these
add up. We are not trying to bring something in that will detract from the
4 cbttamunity,,- this is step one, we.have plans to paint the facility and dress it up,
,rw:.wan;t`,'it to have the appearance that people like to come to shop or see what is
(being°done. This will fit our needs and we feel that what we are asking here and
' =what we'are trying to propose is something exciting in this area. There are other
areas b'ut';this one is centrally located, we feel this area will grow - the population
.° ismoving: this way. This is something for the future - this is long term, it is not
set ups:;for short term."
an Smith; "You asked how long something like this takes, I think that is hard to
As you know the development business these days is more difficult than it
usa�ally is. .The Eighth Street Market Place has been through three phases and that's
,`taken us five years. We started with'the first phase then we did the theaters,
;fikhished up the second phase and I would expect that this project would take at least
ttit many,' if not more. Some of the buildings are in very good condition and can be
uS'd right away, and in fact are being used by Dennis. But here over (indicating on
trlp} is in pretty poor condition. The intended use does not require a high degree
o,.aoiR'finia h - sophisticated improvement. Most of this use is ground floor, hard
�.`,,ts�Facdd floor covering, will have produce coming in and out and will be designed
yr;fo sa�for.klift, to run through here with potatoes and so forth so it will be designed
,'t ��:retain some of it's industrial character. At the same time we intend to use a nice
7tdscaped area, (indicates drawing) trees and sort of a plaza for people to eat
ris lunch. There -should be enough food in here to put together a lunch and sit
,, here and eat. We are going to provide a drive-in portion where you can load up
at 4?`abs.;'of onions or whatever, we intend to have an outdoor market out here in front
q ;= iA ,the.good season. The outdoor market would retract into the building, this center
; r Ore as it turns out nicely skylighted. So it is likely that would occur over
seeral.; phases. This is the phase'we are working on right now (indicates drawing)
T,
i?sh this hole through here and we would elect to work on either this side or this
,s.Ue,. It -depends on what the particular interest is at that time, I know Dennis has
=frca ''a Iot-of interest from people - some of it real and I suppose some of it
imagined- All of the people we have talked to seem to be very excited about it.
l� womics'probably wouldn't justify a more intense use of this building than this -
�il s are limited. Structurally it looks like it's in good shape - the intended
t t ts,'the structure. This is a very realistic approach to putting this building
useful situation."
happen to be the owner of the property at the present time and I
7 i ke to clarify f one of nt that has been brought out. The building, di ng, g
s y p �� g true enough
y� eft lance ;.does.. need faceti!ting. Structurally it is sound and in very good condition.
"A fMA �te.to just the last few days the happenings of new buildings - here we have
W3„architecture, •new buildings, new inspections and the roof of the Bishop Kelley
� fa wry falls '1n .- this one still. stands. The structure is sound, granted it may need
Yh;,r4E-.Cosmetically the building is really ragged but we propose replastering
ofa'the'pJ astered surfaces and painting most of the brick to bring back a.uniform
'•?nMice colorful awnings on all of,the window openings; the detail of the building
Q ad be11kbold stripe in dark greens ,in fairly subdued colors but would bring back
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a certain richness. That detail would continue around the whole
beautify it W 1
complex and would
e wou d be adding this roof (designates drawing) a covered porch for'l
the outdoor market to take place spring,
summer and fall."
Mayor Glaisyer: "Brian do you want to pick up from here and get down to the basics
of our problem."
Smith:; "We've laid out our concepts of what we could do and basically we should
get to some of the problems we have
approached to get to this point."
Dennis Sewald: "Basically what I am running into here is that I don't feel that
City of Meridian is
,the getting their fair share of what's going on here. It seems
'4 that when I go around the facilities and the businessmen in
town and talk of my
project they all seem to be behind me in one fashion or another. They can't under-
stand why the delay
or what you might call dragging the feet of the people that -run
the City; Now, I feel that I have
1
presented the City with everything that's
Possible to present them with. This is just a portion it
of - we have presented the
City with several sets of blueprints on our ideas. I started this project the first
week of November, it is
now the 25th of January and we still do not have a temporary
facility,'a building permit, any conformation for the facility, I
for,
still do not have
any help from the City Departments on this project:. Now, I'm.sure you know all the
businessmen in the
world are naturally a nervous type of bunch. So now I'm running
.into`the City, dragging their feet- people that finance
a project such as this tend
to' -wonder does the City really want this. Now I'm wondering the same thing and
that's why I have
asked for this meeting, to see if this is just one or two people's
opinion or the City of Meridian's
opinion. When I get out into the public, they
don't give me that opinion - but when I deal with some of the City Officials
I get
this opinion. Surely you see I've went out of my way to present this in the .best
fashion that we know how. We
are not Jack Simplot or any of that fact -similar, we
are just local guys, you know farmers,and trying to build a business in
agribusiness.
We had several places to choose, City of Boise, Meridian and Ontario. I felt
Meridian
was the best location and I still feel that way. Number one, we have a
facility that can handle the
growth of our business. Number two we have the labor
force here that can handle it. They say Meridian needs business in their City.
Basically we have
to stop the bull and get to real things because I need everybody's
help, not just part of your help. If folk's
you aren't.behind it, now is the time
to tell me. I've spent $30,000 in less than 90 days in Meridian and I'm not much
closer
f`
to accomplishing my job in this loan. They have gone out of their way so the
City officials here could drag their feet.
I presented the last set of prints to
them a week ago Monday and they said they had to digest it. I didn't know whether
they had to
eat it or what. Now it's a week later - I think it's time to come out
and:say the real things not just prolong it. Either
the officials run the City or
the `people run the Cit I' 11
Y - go which way they want to go. I've got to quit just
hanging out Meridian
at thinking I'm going to do something. So, either qet behind,
it or say "No, we don't want it". I
didn't come into this town to cause a bunch of
problems - I come into this town to create jobs and create a project and
We ish it
out
need to come down to some real hard thinking. The people I've talked toindoesn't
feel Meridian can afford
more businesses to slip away."
Councilman Brewer: "The total magnitude of the project, and as exciting as it seems,
I sit here somehow dumbfounded - I hadn't seen any of this. I had no idea what the
total project was about. It seems like the cart has been before the horse."
Sewald: "Basically I came into this and thought I should go through the normal chain
of 'things, like anybody else - to'see if it functioned. O.K., there'sa breakdown
because I had to call a special council meeting to get - here I am sitting with
Insurance companies and bonding. agents saying hey, you better not be sitting in there
unless you have a temporary permit or a permit, period."I said you are right about !
that, �� because insurance and my bonds doesn't cover me. Well, why can't you get one
there shouldn't be any kind of problem, that doesn't really mean much, just states
the facts and what you are trying to do." That's true too - this is what I'm trying '
to get answered. Yes, you should have known all about this, it's been presented.°
Councilman Orton: "This is zoned correctly already, so normally, Billy something like '
this where a building permit is all that's required, if it were to go smoothly, I
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don't think it would ever be seen by the Council, period.''
Brewer: "Well, we shouldn't have to. But still the total magnitude of this thing
and I respect Carl and all here, that if I were going to put my bucks into that,:.,F
by golly I would have been on this doorstep and come to the Council right -off.', r°¢
,r. 'I can't believe that you have gone this far and never talked tome - or Grant."v1,
, Sewald O.K., now I have spoke to several of the Council members on this project. `
k From the day I cameinto this town. I have other businesses to run too. Really,
r we have to take this in steps. I'm still talking about these two facilities Step one,'
'r and I.,have been since November 1. When we brought a City Council meeting I said we
should tell them all the ideas, well you are going to bother all these people
trying to get this one job done. This one job, we are presenting this, this is what
we would like to do sometime down the future. Step 1 is actually my business here
in, these two facilities - I'm still trying to get a.temporary. No. 1, when does a ,
man get issued a temporary? My understanding of a temporary is 30 or 60 days to get
all your things in order. Other peoples opinion of a temporary does not seem to go
that..route, such as the Building. Inspector. Now, he is bent over backwards to make
this":`'as difficult as possible - not just a little out of his way, but over backwards;
wk Now when I go to the people out here, they can't understand this - they can't under
stand why that problem is. That's why I'm here. I can.'t understand it either,;: when `r
the people over here tell me they want it, why isn't the City officials following
their wishes?"
Councilman Brewer:. "Again, back to the main point - I never realized there was a
problem here until Dale Bates, a Senior Citizen in our town, came into my office
and told me there was a problem. In all honesty I never knew there was a problem
i there and again, I think that.falls back, maybe to a degree on the City, but I feel
to a br.i'ef degree on you people for trying to bring this about and not making it
more common knowledge. I would like to ask each of the Councilmen right now --have
you seen this model? Have you heard anything about total plan? This is the point
I'm trying to make. And I think it might make me more agreeable tonight,, in being
; able to work with you on your initial part of it, if I had known anything at all.on
what was going on."
Sewald: "In other words, you think we should go over these folks' heads; that. run yJ
these positions in the City, and bother the City Council with these problems?"
Brewer: "On a project with that magnitude - I would of. I don't like setting here
tonight and finding out about this - it really upsets me."
Sewald: "That's why we brought this meeting together
Brewer:.. "It seems this is two months behind"
Sewald. ".Well, basically, maybe we are confusing the issue here. What I'm really
after here'is this use and this use -(Designating drawing),temporary'permit- that
is number one - that was what I was after. Since we are bringing all you folks`
together at one time - you couldn't have seen this because it never got done until
yesterday. I don't want you to confuse this issue of this whole project over, what
^'
werereally talking about - dragging the feet. I went to Pyr. Schoen a half dozen tirris�
and I got 30 stories every time. What do you need Mr. Schoen - I present it and thi
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7ese" "No, he did not need them" it stated right here on our blueprints "Built
-,.Code". O.K.? Pretty simple. That was the last thing the City of Meridian has
r*Ouested. Yes, I did tell the sewage man the exact gal bons that we would use.
the ;first meeting with him. O.K.?"
Q,unoaman To1smd: "How about the City water?"
City water? I spoke with the City too, City water, the same time.
. � � 0jact, :T. think it is dated on the application the day I spoke with him. In other
�� y�rds "can -we use the wells on the facility?" "No, it's a City ordinance that you can't
i~herWelIs-for domestic use. Fine, 0. K. - "how much water do you use. And we
�w,aF;•t,fave ixim:those numbers. The day the application was filled out - you would have to
^4 l d. 0n,!.that application to find out that date. But yes, it was indicated- not in
�,k
W- t_Ag'g it was verbally asked. I will be more than happy to indicate it in writing.
r k Th t ;4 what I worked on this whole 30 to 60 day 'period over, trying to talk to
I could talk to about this project.. And I did miss some, II m sure."
ifs 1" .
�C k r*'I Ward;' WasteWater Superintendent. I would like to address that. Sewal d did
y'; IWay� t and see me and ask me some specific questions. I did request, in writing,
bacigripund of the process that you were using at the present time. This was not
dived,-.I did not get that. We did discuss the wells, the monitoring of the
:. afi*,luent:and that's really the extent of the information other than from Mr. Sundell
irho "called me and .indicated that it would be from 6 to 8 thousand gallons per day
}with Z '1b,s., of silt. And from what you and I had discussed, this is completely
you were looking at possibly 50,000 gallons a day, we were trying to come
utp with.: how much silt-you would have and if you remember we discussed the size, or
^rhetype of equipment - I never got a list of the equipment, I have no idea..."
Wald:: "And you asked at that time for a written...?
"Yes" "And a past performance or operational reports of some kind - not
iv,,4_h ecessartly very detailed - but you have not supplied me anything. It makes it very
�6i:fficu1f .determining the sewer use because we haven't even covered the eater
gat *teri.ng; r whether it is water metered off the wells or City system or the effluent
f �tkscharge,. That is one of the problems."
wald., 'Well, I don't normally misunderstand people when I put a project together
t, 3F Vii"
this '.magnitude• "I
a45a!�hdrd• ^ '"1 thought we had things pretty specific."
wald: , "There is a lot of difference between 50,000 gallons and 6,000 gallons that
r �a��tx°y�te architects..."
a.r47 "Th.ere .certainly is and this is what we should get resolved."
r Y Fk�aAll ewald:'t14�-°It would be 6,000 gallons per day" ���.
x x .`�IWArd.. O.K. 6,000 and as far as 2 lbs. a day of silt - is that on the volumn.
ald`' "2 lbs. of silt per 6,0000 gallons. So now you have those two numbers.
thing, else?"
"We would like to know the type of equipment that's going in and the size
they :are, .capable of. I was asked to indicate a silt trap - for what it's hard to say..
can ,i! a
1.hrdly give a determination if I don't
t know the ultimate use."
"Are there anymore questions we should get answered here?" '
� g 'V4"-,'Councilman Urton: "We have got to keep in mind what the issue is here, and that's
`"o. get tis gentlemen a building permit - -"
.occupancy permit - in other words that is what Mr. Schoen has indicated
Q�- mthat I must , have this. Is that true or not true?"
rton., ;p" that's our process -- we get plans and when their approvable they are approved
' t:C�� I.:.� a permit?"
;;,;rrift' +,hoEeta, wilding Inspector; "Anal: after that and completion there is an Occupancy
Yea .
�rton.;4,��s theta anyway we can give,him an Occupancy permit for a portion? .
�ho n,.; a, Yes, a Temporary Occupancy slip, which I suggested to Joe, which is for the
t> _` yx# f 14rea only,,,.,-there was no heat In it so it didn't begin to comply until we had
Ta, for it. "
E(�wald
There's' no law that we' have,: to supply heat.
o they have to supply heat, or if they want to work in the cold.... ?
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4a wal d ",I didn't say anywhere in ;the laws that it .... "
9 ;.K. ,Sohme1 ''Under the Codes it goes right under the heat laws, all the exits and
't°eveythin•g' else - you didn't have the proper exits either.."
;,7 li�,{eWald: "Are we're talking about exits or heat?"
a f �tiR yen: "Both'°
'r,;,ewaldrand:Orton began speaking at the same time.
n. "Excuse me, you are going to have to let me talk. Vern, on a Temporary
t11ding Permit, does he have to be coming - for the area he is going to be on
or4try Occupancy - does he have to come into all conformance of Code in all
Yes, if you were to take a building that was under new construction and
,portion of it done then you get a temporary permit for that portion.
� i,ake'an old one and want to remodel the entire thing and they have one
fng::,,they get a permit -for the whole thing. They get this one portion done,
•N W.e tktat.,S.,the only permit they had.. Then when that's ready - they move in
acq d_n to Code a Temporary Certificate would be issued for that art only. y `f 9 P y P y.
>-aAtemporary to go ahead and do the work in a building where they do not have a
ii' �12ecause when all things finally come together, if they went ahead, we may
tmake them completely change something on the final plan. Then of course
,w4034, be.�doing them unjustice, me unjustice or anybody else because of all the
tr oking;you would have to do. You would have to move machinery, remove some of
h ,F rrin, - so you have to wait, especially when there is an type of extensive
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��ac71lan Orton: "So the Temporary Permit .for the office space, you would have to
rhem to bring that portion of the building up to Code and then before they
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LST&'} o dkb gtW activities in'the remainder of the space, it would have to be brought
es La
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t�, ' "Right"
" r 1►`:'."A• I would like to make a general comment here. I think that the reason
��te?^e has been trouble is not because people have not be stalling to make your life
h,r because they have neen bending,over backwards trying to help you - there has
Abt,.,of miscommunicationgoingon here. When Vern, Earl or Bruce, whoever has
QY; beriarbl,ved, trys to describe one your, problems to you I believe you're taking
1� that ,,your`only problem. It's not -you are finding out - a doorway in a wrong
�een addition to the heating being out, there might be an explosion p
, 9 9 g p proof problem
,1�s n 1 at,7.ori,problem in a particular area. In Earl's case, he asked you for the
then he asked for more information to help you out - they are doing that
tiat�s :.they want to'help you not because they want to hurt you. Let's get this
g streamlined first by the three Departments - Water, Sewer and the Building
Its rtment, First thing I would like to see is those three people write a
,
`�ter"rbasedpn the current plans that has been delivered to us, naming the deficiencies
'
v.4y;.we are out of the verbal mold - will be in a written mold and can start
`' 1 inc,these, things down one at, a time. I ask all three gentlemen to look at their
tt t es anal don't go beyond.their ordinances. Get those requirements straightened
think we should go anyplace until we get that done - once we
.' wl the 'deficiencies are and current plans, and there are deficiencies then
gentlemen will know how to proceed. Let's do it with two things in mind. One,
d they :have to do to get the.Temporary Permit and Second, what has to be done
-;_thy;: to. proceed with the remodel of the first phase, or what additional information
.,
A,SrFyou'ineed�from these 'gentlemen in order to even make a decision. If you don't
,d t telee ,that you know everything that they intend to do in this first phase - then ask
Letter. There may be further, requirements based on what they find out.:
RIast thing I would like to say here, this concerns me, a great deal because' I've
Pyr e t ie `oi stakes - I'm a practicing engineer myself - when I get out civil engineering
tet ,;i,n,ome other engineering matters that I'm not familiar with the Code on, I
-t pr�.t it :quite frequently and I want to ask these architects -if in light of
d #T^44V1,4quipment you have`it in perhaps this set of plans overlooked some things.
-+.ov'.an example -1 understand that there is a hulling machine in one of
Under the dire Code it, calls for explosion proof wiring, explosion
cal. devices i n the' room..". "
0 led out the plans and .was telling me about this and I looked at them
.:
it�Ft ee;where yo.
had,-,shownthe •veptilation, the explosion proof wiring -
��ao� iattend :to eke care of this?"
"We got nvolved with this probably about a month ago. Initially it was
nding that 17ennis �Sewal.d} --had an existing business that he had essentially
ktewas moving up to this favi l f ty. As long as he closed, his business is
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;''�'yt7osed; he is very anxious to get in there and start getting set up and get this
f
a,�, �r�h�ing :r°c�;bLing•. Initially he wanted to occupy an existing situation which was the
r , ,yoPfices;�- ,just move in the stuff he was bringing up from Burley. In the meantime
was clear that a certain plan had to be arrived at -while he was moving up here
t k�SvuAying:'th.is building, i.t was, not clear to him whether he would able to occupy
• °ante `1 .1bg at that time. To locate these various pieces of equipment in here,
� 'thei wotaU perform their operation, there seems to be some room for interpretation
tc� what;,this equipment actually does and what classification of use they would
It seems like there is no question about any complexity with regard to
„s , $�, '' r '
I. ,,Awhst.her to just bolt it down and turn it on - except for the one hulling machine
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When we first came here to the City and met with the
k��1di.,ngi Inspector, we discussed that use and we arrived at some agreement that we
wx �'r<�tire°,fling:: to. classify it as a "H-4, H-3 Occupant" which required an enclosure
'ca fin 9• P 9 'Y
,<��, y dustrial wirin There was a complex issue as to how to et the n stet
I '` y��� x and;out of -,it and still render it -with it's proper fire rating. I think why
1tni;'get's .frustrated is that he still not really able to occupy the office space
w".
ye -his desk in. I don't think you find anyplace in the building code where
requi^es any space other than residential bedrooms to have heat. A Warehouse
S6'1 -t,. -require it - an office doesn't require heat. In doing these projects maybe
wa.are°`�ust,used to different situations but it takes cooperation. Some willingness
y _Uhthe�.officials part - to get in and help to unravel this mess and allow something
ha0pen - something to begin. Not that any Code should be violated but its not
a1., -when a man is waiting to set up his equipment for packaging carrots, which
nOt'hazardous in any means. He needs to move them out the door to meet his
<< _ :oomm.tments and meet his terms of delivery and he's also got product coming.
,- ra,tit yet ,this entire thing has just stuck until absolutely all questions are answered.
y;,l+deoffered to post a bond as say "look, let's get going on the rest of this, we could
ere and get wired and moved in, get them some heat, put some carpet down,
R yu,rtpnnect the phones, get some water to the project - and we will work with you on this
varrive at a satisfactory conclusion to a enclosure for this hulling Inachine.
�' I.,, pn.,,! t-� .knpw much about a hulling machine, , i t comes from Switzerland, a great expense -
4 _�,�l,n.;�e,asked.,tennis,about.this machine and the dust nature, he stated that its not
31 e s4styiat all, it is all enclosed and works with a vacuum and so forth. We took some
< a the to:educate all of us about the potential hazard of this machine. I don't know
Pe�* really clear to anybody the hazardous situation this machine creates. But
kl hnisi,,.ha;s;been willing to go along, go by the book, I will use Class 2 wiring, I
enclose it and bring my hyster in from outside rather than inside. Part of the
tion is that the entire thing has been held up because of some questions that
has been willing to work out with the City."
me if I'm wrong Vern, but a termporary occupancy permit would allow
Y abecupancy - I don't think there is any such thing as a temporary building permit,
-instance in this office area there's no remodeling really intended - it is only
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l�wovld havetolookback in theCodeto findoutwhenabuildingpermitis
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�,rqui red _i`or just occupancy - would .he be allowed to occupy this existing building.
<Aix7 is two questions we are asking now."
ewald; now I want to state right here - all of the prints and plans that•the
ty has reque.sted, even though they didn't do some of the testing or the inspections
have been handed in a week ago today. And we still have no word on a temporary
occupancy, we have nothing. No more than we had when we started in November.
a�ne sti ,1,'sitting here without a temporary even."
N �> Schoe.60 Bldg. Inspect!O: "First time I just received a sketch of the initial
r i ng a$,, it, is, . the second set of p1 an,s. ' recei ved was on 1.19.82, which is
� oximate'� fa month a o. All the 1anS,„' the rest of the week,for myself are red-
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fed, -comp,10tely and ready to go for "the 'entire.building. The normal procedure is
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when':,those plans come An there is`°.fodr (4) sets. I give one to Earl, one to
x � fie, o.ne:to the Yire Department and .,w en. these are ready,come back to me- then.we
J�ack';to:what has to be `,done. With that so far, I have a letter from the Fire
p ,hs
�x atrtment with.their request outlined. I have the plan redlined to my extent. As
r c� rstand';i.t is not complete enough for Ear] to go ahead and say 0. K. on his part.
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hi.s is where it stands. We have proceeded as we are supposed to proceed.
it is not acceptable it goes back and has to be redrawn to these redline marks,
r }� Tu;o `the .request of Earl, to the request of the Fire Department, Public Works - then
.comes back and will be issued a permit."
`+ s Sewald, !'then do you issue a temporary?"
r,1 Schoen, "too temporary under those circumstances until it's complete."
what's complete Vern?"
tfioen: ;-Any, portion of it. They complete the office first under the remodel and
zr ,,lrtpn the„ temporary is for that part only.."
ton,; ,-Mhat if their remodel doesn't involve any remodeling in the office."
i�oen •y# '� .t' does involve remodeling."
�r weld. How do you go about getting this done?
a� e.—,.'With a plan - we're that close for a complete thing and you are ready to go".
an,.Wth.: "If Dennis didn't. have any plans to build anything a building permit
b4, required. Would a occupancy certificate be required?" Schoen: (indicates
'� 1 .a ,
s .{ y wal d:, "tHow do we get that?" yes)
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ii, en. '' 'some to the Building Inspector, he goes out and makes the inspection and if
yap;;arToupancy fits the particular building, an occupancy slip can be issued. When
ohange•your occupancy is when the trouble starts. In other words, if you have an
ce; goes out and another one moves in - he wants to be an office, it's the same,
,P r��`x'dn"office as an insurance company goes out and if you want to move a spray booth
there r 'there's a problem."
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Bri.:an Smith: "Then would the occupancy of the intended use of all the spaces other
F2;t an,the hulling machine, doesn't really change the use from what it was previously-
,„ 1?oesn�t really require any construction, to speak of?"
Schoen: "The creamery itself would have not been a H-3 by any means."
r w.>.th:. "I'm talking of the office space that we intend to use for bagging machines."
ekioer: "The Code book says "if it needs to be remodeled then that has to be done
ring ilt up to Code. You change occupancy, it has to be brought up to Code.
nmIth:'!"Are 'we in fact changing occupancy except for the hulling machine?"
{Soboen.~, "You're not changing office occupancy? When you change occupancy it's a
erbu:ilding it has to be brqught to Code."
rfi,;pn:, , "Soon the new occupancy it has . to be brought to Code even though the use in
portion:..,?"
u�e�►der%;'..' "That's •rights"
r;¢4rton'y "1n. the temporary office - in the office area where the gentlemen wants a
tetnorr�+ permit - what's your interpretation Vern, what needs to be done?"
M " °h4en; "Stairway, Exit lights and heat
�f eft l d;.,,': 1-111 debate the. heat. In . other words, if it states that - I'll go along.
'� • ;, w�;th i tr•
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If he handed in a plan to take care of those three things.,"
a =# ,'Schoen. 44 If they want a temporary permit on that portion only - there is also a .
p�an for,'aI I the rest of it."
wa1d "'yJ.e've asked for a temporary building permit just on the office."
yor 'G:1..i .ger: "As far as the office is concerned Vern, do you have a heating -
''` ; YLt ather-,words, I think the heating is in question.."
only thing they show is a furnace - like I say it's a very short !.et,
theydo show the furnace, "
1 dp�R F Do..we Show the electrical?"
You do not show the exit signs..,"
r��3ian `�Smth• "There is' a couple of issues. that are being confused somewhat. The
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Pf s+.e. oqupancy�s' by the letter,
and ,the issue of.changing the use. We have been in situations
f it -
nP�turw'ii
, by the Code or by the City Ordinance - but
; ,,`Ieve been allowed in buildings that are intending of being renovated
Use
isn't' .=easily changing, There are many, many buildings, including the
"that doesn't meet Code .but yet it is occupied. I think because some -
'14"1 becpme 'vacant and maybe the building department might have had a
�t^evap d experience, they may - take a standback attitude right from the start.
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,have not been instructed by our client to see how much we can get away with.
''can ail:walk over there and see how hazardous the situation is. It's a subject
occupancy, we are required to have two exits when the occupancy goes above
;.peep,there is in fact three people occupying that space. But it also states
at;if.Vh floor space goes over 500 sq. feet it requires two exits - so that's
;ere wege.t stuck again. We're in catch -twenty-two, because where do we put the
`int' Do`.we just scab on a second stair coming off the side, do we take our time
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jdevelop<;the overall plan to decide where our second exit really needs to be to
)-we otherareas of the building, it would by very nice to tie both of those
Gtions.,:together. Dennis is waiting - all he want's to do is bag carrots. I think
Ore as, °two issues. One is occupancy, one is remodeling and new occupancy under new
,
"I . think this is a lot on interpretation, who want's to interpret the
?L.t*e want:. -to interpret it and,the willingness to work it out. Also, as a tax-
yer,yotx as`.public officials are obligated to keep me informed on what's happening.
;r�example, if there was a problem why weren't they all laid out to begin with?
,•were.n,;-t they written out, how come we had to go through all these different steps:
xf,gcosts,,money to do.this. I feel as a taxpayer you owe me an obligation also to
10;me get into this thing. Not to suppress it. If there's problems let's sit
Wnan•d"wgnk-it out.. 1've been'thinking about, maybe you weren't spoke to - from
X,one we.have been trying to go through the normal steps. That's why you hired
rn.Schoen, if you didn't hire him and we just come to you, then what are you
yIng;him .for? Going through the proper channels and now we are being somewhat
Nem4d:..for not going around him. These additional steps are put out because
ts'is w8aat needed if we're 'going to bother you. To get these temporaries and things
`;had to:'.draw up this big model to show you for your benefit, because it had to get
:'this point. We tried to work with it at a proper step and it didn't work.
4a're .not'.able to do anything - we are businessmen, you as businessmen should be
Ie to understand that. It's a serious problem and that's why this meeting got to
is point. We didn't come in here to cause waves, we are coming.in here to
emulate economy and help build up this community. I will personally apoligize
1you feel we should have come around the backdoor. I thought as a taxpayer that
;:why we;Oay this gentlemen. Personally,I think there is a few things that need
,'be changed on cooperation Why can't we expect Vern to give us cooperation?
think by the way, for example, he is paid - it doesn't allow to be unbiased. He's
kon " commission.:
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r G1ai;syer: "Now,.let's,be careful where you tread water."
It!.:Hil1.a`` "I'll retract that and not say anymore about it."
yor Glafsyer: "We run the City, we're not worried about people's salary for one
jfng - the second thing, we are responsible for safety and health of everybody
Eithis community not just one business. You go in there and not have exits and
Qphe are -in there and they are hurt, we are responsible - we are personally liable.
he•ve a".Yolunteer Fire Department, maybe we are a little bit stringent on our
des, Trat's why the man's being paid and he's always done a good job - and I will
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end t* right down to the end."
ke:Hill;.;"I don't dispute that, I just feel that for all the blueprints that were
yar G1aisyer "He's doing his job, he brings it to us in his strictest sense
.i we want to make changes it's our decision - not Vern Schoen's decision."
tlrtc4ilmh;uGrant kingsford: '"I think part of the problem here is that people are
fiti:ngr:raarfi ager and .sayi nib "it's your fault" . Let's get into the spirit of
p, rat both .ways. r,.It's,,my understanding, from this discussion, that there has
fpr mnjtats pf pl.an.s� Yet, talk to Vern and I hear that there has been a rough
pf pl�a,�s .turned in and then a _two°page set. ldhat.other pans have been turned
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may, $ap
Two ll ," is t utas bw three, 'different sets. The first set was under the
ti! that if :we mowed ..ghat :we were; gvi ng to ,do with the project we would be
ted.:V,temporar►. perms t. };After" that, it didn't go through and we made one more
sdes� Ati ng the whol a area, the third set was established, which was a complete
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or`the total project and put in to the Building Inspector for the building
�rmit.".�It was my understanding that the last set would be complete. So, there
�s-,.three Sets.
wc , flman'Kingsford: "Did all three of them get turned in? To us?"
"I am only certain of the second one."
tnIsfOrd: "So, in fact, we have had two sets?"
R -W-4.1 d, "Three presented, two sets accepted."
1 n'sford:"Has anybody q dy from the City ever seen the second set? It's been Pty
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�d.erstondi g that we have had two. Let's get our numbers straight."
kr, --'i,schoen"This set that have has the added drawings on the second page and has
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ngs of the inside wall, which makes it the third set if you want to
i t -that.
ngsforo; 'So you have two sets?"
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wo sets,"
..,"So in other words, you wanted a detailed drawing of the fire escape?"
"Come back in, went back to them and come back in again."
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electrical set that has been required where
rd:,. "I've heard talk about an electv�
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"It's with this."
"WO '.0); "The State Electrical didn't require a set - the Fire Department did."
re'Chlef, Roger Welker: "The Fire Codes the City operates under requires fur
!oter,ti,on..that we have an electrical plans. It can be bypassed by the City Council
lt'.`J,t 'is required."
,wald "This is what I'm getting at. If I'm required to do this,,why wasn't
'told when I presented the second set that I was required to do this? Why was I
fttoid-•the first time I met with Vern Schoen?"
ngs.ford:_ "That's another point I want to get at. I understand each time we have
eked J don't know how many times - I'Would like to know how many times you have
,d -,conversations with our Departments - I understand each zfi,ie you have talked with
,e ,,differe6t things have been discussed - additions made that would change what
y
jd,hove been require"
Yes
"Now, if that's the case, I don't know how you could point a finger at
'6md,Uy it's their fault you didn't give the information all out front - how
M,they`make an adequate... "Vern, you -respond to that."
hodn::,"Again, it has to go'back to them because there were no electrical
s,:on emergency l.ighting on the Fire Departments requirements - they are still
on there...
Smith: "I would ask the Building Inspector to find in the Code whereilluminated
ft,s,',arie re
tv . ` � ,quired."
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i1' -`Voss, Fire Marshal: "Illuminated exit signs may not be required but
er_qqnc,y.11ghting is required and to be shown on the plans, if it is not shown on
ot;i �s -there.-is no emergency lighting. Fire Safety Code 101 will give you this
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0 .0mAn.Qrton: "This CNncil.has adopted uniform codes in time Skip, have we
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7�l,-Y
,,ovl. aware.,,of that Co,de gentlemen?"
Really what I'm getting at - when I came here and started this project,
%-11 ;these bases -"look,.gi-ve me everything that you need" - which I thought
yent out to r
py people and I did�it,l presented it and it wasn't right."
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ip,dlmanXi,ngsford: "Was anything written down? The thing to do is write things
yov.want to do - I would have written answers back for what it takes -
i.`,'�. - t."here's no confusion. It's been my experience be"ore that is what has been the
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d'- "Ye it?"
it seems to be kind of wishy-washy doesn't i+?
, Vorf;'."Wishy-washy? That sounds like you're pointing your finger again did
:% rite the...thinas down that you wanted done?"
'No,'.1 wish I had a tape recorder - I needed that."
)q.sford:- ."Either that - or some' sort of written..... "
mt;Td: !!Thl's is a fine example. The electrical layout - why didn't I know that?
tleeded that right at the beginning - Why did I find out I needed that the third
6urth meeting?"
!O.ford: "How many meetings have you had with the Departments?"
Schoe.n,: "I've met with him a couple of times myself."
qs,fQrd::- "That doesn't sound like four meetings to me. I would hardly say that
�:1:s several..
*1,d--,"Hqw.many times did we meet with you, Schoen?"
*en;,,.I-1Qne't1me on this room and I would say other than that I've met with you....."
"So, that's about three times with me...."
can't answer that exact.."
eld:;, "Would you say at lea,,t three times?"
qen: "Just you"
cald: ."How many times did you meet with my architects that you recall?"
o,en "About three - not with the prints that you filed."
,nraa4 Abas.' Valley News: 'ITS this a Court Room?"
,ald: "What -we're trying to get at is that we are being led around."
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,ncilman:Kingsford: "We've been getting the run-around too. We've got to get
!,-','�.ducks in order. I don't think anybody here is opposed to you putting that in."
'ald: "You have one that is opposed tor -At now"
n Smith: "Dennis is trying to get a temporary occupancy permit and his other
s de ire is ..to git a building permit. We're generally familiar with the Codes - each
tionAs' different, we have to get back into it when you talk with a new City
ven't done much work in Meridian and some occupancies which are generally un-
,,,..iar to fairy and myself, different type uses - we have been working very hard
rk those things out and have made some Progress in the last two weeks and fully
to. complete that process. But we' are still looking for a temporary
MPncy permit.
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$atts, Citizen. "I was on the City Council thirty-five years ago before they
h,atiCode book and I wonder why they have it now. I can see where it would be
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impossible for a building to get fixed up to get back into business. I
led into.this deal,after I talked to Carl (Raasch) and he told me I would have to
these boys on the rental of the boiler room down there. When they told me'
rouble they were having, I was the one that suggested that they come to the
il I said I don't think the Council knows what's going on here - I'm sure you
_I -was sure you didn't because I got'a little run-around myself and I had to
yQu boys- .and get. help. I think this is a great thing. In fact,
I remember
,Fthi:.7-five, years ago, probably Roger is the only one here that can remember it-,
rimed Meridian Sale Urn was up by the Masonic Temple is now -these produce
U*$,e1d.to,qome1n.there with their pickups, line up around the block and people
i to
'm f les to this salefor the sole purpose of buying fresh produce.
t01. me they sere thinking of a,Tarmers Market, I thought this was certainly
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the City. don't know where the trouble is you say you're
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iliti,,Ithen L-ifeel likeyoushould know more about what's going on here.
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h1k, t -big, being at one end of your office, and not know a thing about it.
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�xpayers�standpQint, I'm very interested in getting in new.businessespecially
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ip,dlmanXi,ngsford: "Was anything written down? The thing to do is write things
yov.want to do - I would have written answers back for what it takes -
i.`,'�. - t."here's no confusion. It's been my experience be"ore that is what has been the
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i#i,,;'-o, f wha't,,happens.It
d'- "Ye it?"
it seems to be kind of wishy-washy doesn't i+?
, Vorf;'."Wishy-washy? That sounds like you're pointing your finger again did
:% rite the...thinas down that you wanted done?"
'No,'.1 wish I had a tape recorder - I needed that."
)q.sford:- ."Either that - or some' sort of written..... "
mt;Td: !!Thl's is a fine example. The electrical layout - why didn't I know that?
tleeded that right at the beginning - Why did I find out I needed that the third
6urth meeting?"
!O.ford: "How many meetings have you had with the Departments?"
Schoe.n,: "I've met with him a couple of times myself."
qs,fQrd::- "That doesn't sound like four meetings to me. I would hardly say that
�:1:s several..
*1,d--,"Hqw.many times did we meet with you, Schoen?"
*en;,,.I-1Qne't1me on this room and I would say other than that I've met with you....."
"So, that's about three times with me...."
can't answer that exact.."
eld:;, "Would you say at lea,,t three times?"
qen: "Just you"
cald: ."How many times did you meet with my architects that you recall?"
o,en "About three - not with the prints that you filed."
,nraa4 Abas.' Valley News: 'ITS this a Court Room?"
,ald: "What -we're trying to get at is that we are being led around."
j.
,ncilman:Kingsford: "We've been getting the run-around too. We've got to get
!,-','�.ducks in order. I don't think anybody here is opposed to you putting that in."
'ald: "You have one that is opposed tor -At now"
n Smith: "Dennis is trying to get a temporary occupancy permit and his other
s de ire is ..to git a building permit. We're generally familiar with the Codes - each
tionAs' different, we have to get back into it when you talk with a new City
ven't done much work in Meridian and some occupancies which are generally un-
,,,..iar to fairy and myself, different type uses - we have been working very hard
rk those things out and have made some Progress in the last two weeks and fully
to. complete that process. But we' are still looking for a temporary
MPncy permit.
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$atts, Citizen. "I was on the City Council thirty-five years ago before they
h,atiCode book and I wonder why they have it now. I can see where it would be
t
impossible for a building to get fixed up to get back into business. I
led into.this deal,after I talked to Carl (Raasch) and he told me I would have to
these boys on the rental of the boiler room down there. When they told me'
rouble they were having, I was the one that suggested that they come to the
il I said I don't think the Council knows what's going on here - I'm sure you
_I -was sure you didn't because I got'a little run-around myself and I had to
yQu boys- .and get. help. I think this is a great thing. In fact,
I remember
,Fthi:.7-five, years ago, probably Roger is the only one here that can remember it-,
rimed Meridian Sale Urn was up by the Masonic Temple is now -these produce
U*$,e1d.to,qome1n.there with their pickups, line up around the block and people
i to
'm f les to this salefor the sole purpose of buying fresh produce.
t01. me they sere thinking of a,Tarmers Market, I thought this was certainly
'
the City. don't know where the trouble is you say you're
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iliti,,Ithen L-ifeel likeyoushould know more about what's going on here.
'q
f4
ac M communication somewhere-, I can't see setting on the City Council
h1k, t -big, being at one end of your office, and not know a thing about it.
t
�xpayers�standpQint, I'm very interested in getting in new.businessespecially
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...ithis size ... because I think it will bene -fit all taxpayers. I don't think we
Sul.,d be here holding everything to Code if there is a chance of getting this in
tiere*,let's get'it in here. I would like to see this thing open up and go -
4,4,ea I i zey ou have codes you've got to live with, but
T I m wondering if there are
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i�,me of these that aren't a little overboard. 1 think maybe they are. I would
Alffiost -bet you that there isn't 10% of the buildings in Meridian, if you go right
06'1n.the street, that would pass code. This building right here wouldn't -
yqu:�.cou.ld get right at it. It seems to me that you are expecting these boys to
that building in shape as they would if they were putting up a brand new
d I n 4. 1 think the cost is prohibitive fo,, them to go in and ever bring that
like a new building. I've seen that ;et for 10 to 15 years now and it
p s -a shame -that big of facility can't be toned into something worthwhile.
-1 Ike to see it go.
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C4,r,-: Raasch: "Naturally, I toc would like to see a good facility go in and I think
t,�l - City of Meridian. It shows employment, part of the
sl- is a
good facility for the
4,;Rele in 'town, and here again I will agree with Dale that upon some occasions you
'"op
need
ito close your eyes and.sonie of the regulations that is written in the book is
pl".from the Government. I can't believe that it's all that necessary. Particularly
,
i. me •*o -f the Fire Codes, or whatever -'there's probably been more heat come out of
'bo
t Alertroom than any.building in this town - it still stands. I only want your
ration from the City Council and would like to see 100%. of the City Council
1,0h t -issue Dennis a building permit and an occupancy permit and let him go ahead
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the project."
'lohn:Hickman: "T work for a company out of Salt Lake City, conveyors and equipment,
this -there seems to be some quandry
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from observing all o
and'from this point
Sj
, c ng on, and all of this is hinging.on, the hulling machine that Dennis has.
J1,1ihink being fair to Dennis' situation, being around the country like I am, going
into different .plant areas, Algamated Sugar i3 one. Example, the dust problem they
,
have is a pulp drying.Numerous different feed stores, like ZamZow's
I'm under the
pp,ression they manufacture cattle feed, whatiot but what I'm saying is this,
ifyou used the machine and seen the amount o,- dust it put's off, and if not I would
suggest you do so in light of the fact the explosion potential you're talking about
�4',,that size of building and that one machine is very limited. I've seen it operate,
�",'_familiar -with the amount of dust that go on in these plants. Dennis' situation
unique as he has only got this one machine that's going to be really doing this.
;has a 'control air system and is aspirated to blow off the dust and return it to
%-
This is a general accepted practice 1-10ction bin. ice for hazardous materials of
'ty pe, I cite.Purina-Ralstin Company, most of your large manufacturers that
4.,nJlours, grain products, etc. that have this problem are using air aspiration
r to move the potential hazard of the explosion - cite me if I'm wrong - you've got
11.,have a combination of several things. At_c,ospheric pressure, humidity, concentration
dust particles ,all contribute to this
Initially you can have a spontaneous
.
. ; 1 '#bustion or explosion it might be caused by a spark or something. I don't under -
.
the big problem is on this.- he', got an air aspiration system on his
"lling machine is removing, I would say pru.ably, 98% of the dust that is a residue
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his milling process. There's equipment on the market than can update his ai
tion system on that one particular hul,ing machine and double it's efficiency
move dirt in the air down to a micron particle size. A micron is the equivalent
"A.
f millionth Particle size of a meter. Now, if the big problem is with the
potential I think if you could see the machine work, what's happening with
A.:where theAust.is coming ,from, where it's going, how it's handled and what's been
�11l8to update this. you could probably smooth over some of the problems you're
wing
mthe
this.on.the side. It seems to me I've heard it brought up three or four
Ies e fact that this hulling machine is giving you whatever your code H-3, H-4
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You've got a bunch of problems all on top of this one item.
-', explosion.
iM.,,,your code goes up it requires this, requires this all because of this
MFT-ne p
At the resent time he can't run the machine, you guys won't see fit
:1 -.1 Mhave his building permit occupancy permit fine. If this is a big
P_91with-the one machine I see. no reason why it can't be off to the side.
would liketo - I'm sure it can be arranged, with the permission of your
9Ud+1.n9,i, inspector; to see this machine operate at least for a few minutes to see
.
1 n of residue and particles com(• off from it. You can evaluate it further
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is L4 mthat for explosive potenital.
I would think that if they have come up with
e x
.kind of e plosive proof c-ntainment for this mach:ne, 11 really can't see what
roblem would be with it. If it f
hinging the rest o his building project on
I think it tv�,uld be
valuable for you, as a Task Force, to take
ooi at it and see what it a-Aually does."
Moyor-iGlaisyer: "Thank you foc your dissertation. T
would like to bring the
0au if ►T11 -n
n.!01 up to date - and Larr,,, or Brian, wrong please interrupt me -
rV w6`have met and already di cussed
these things. The discussion was,when I met
. k
em, that. the first thi n(j ,qas. to try and get a temporary occupancy permit for
office building. At the f ine we were discussing this machine I told Larry, Brian,
.,Dennis that no one knows tv it the machine is going to do, I said we will come
i11.1';A;'"`"`* hat point to the Council, jet a variance, put you in there with the machine,
of time, make obi. rvati ons from the building department, fire department
tthat time ff we felt it ,qas necessary to put n all the fire codes, etc. ,we
require at that time, if not we would mal,.o a variance.
Is that correct?"
sponse was "That's corre, c.
pr..� ...Glaisyer: "All this stuff has been hashed over. Let's get back to the point
ha
we have.to, do to give these gentlemen a temporary occupancy permit for the
ness office only. Then he is going to bring in these other things and keep
J,n,j.,::'bn-in the phases. All this stuff about the City not cooperating is not
"Osily true, we got some breakdowns aver here, everybody has an opinion of
t
we've done wrong - and we haven't done that much wrong. I want to get them
theirbusiness office. That's where we are - thats the essence at this time.
they will come back to Vern and -.we will aer from there.
'n S;,hoen: "I don't think their problem is with machines as with loading. This
.not,,,,the normal way these machines are filled. He has hopper filling - that
thez.'dust problem, not the machine itsc:lf."
ncilman Orton: "That may be very well, the case Brian. I think you are right
.,How do we pi.ve them a temporary permit.
Vern was kind enough to dig the UBC
,,enAF,hand it to me and gives here how we give a temporary occupancy permit, and
I .wast read it as I think it's important here. "if the building officials find
that no substantial hazard will result from occupancy of any building
9r.tion thereof before completion is complete he may issue temporary certificate
_'the- use of portion, or portions, of the building where structure prior to
7,etion of the entire building or structure." That means if we believe it's
?,-to allow a temporary permit then we can allow it. It says the "building
11cial" but of course I interpret that as we are the governing body - if we feel
re's no hazard in that office we can allow,the permit and maybe negotiate a few
igs with Vern and talk to hip to see if he feels it is really unsafe. Let's look
the building. First of all, it has been occupied for office space in that manner
�he'past without significant hazard. The only three things that are require to
4f,t,,,,,Vp to Code is a furnace - I frankly don't think it's unsafe-without.a
TacIt`,miht be uncomfortable but it's not unsafe -another exit and emergency.
e�. , , ,q
),tin;. Again, If the number )f people is limited three or -four - four or five even-
,Vt believe that the thing's iot safe. Id like to see the Council offer the
,lemen a temporary occupancy ,_ertificate good for - just throw out a number -
*s with a condition that in maybe two -days we will have our four letters written,
,Fire Department,,Water Department, Sewer Department and Building Code - we'll have
,,letters out in a couple of days, and then In this 60 day period you would be
,jred,to bring your plans,completely up to our standards - and that isn't to say
pnAtthave anotherfew qu6stion's after you bring it up to these comments, if you
'n,terpreted.s6methinql or if we made a mistake and didn't observe something the
,,,t,,,tJme through I'm,,not saying it's going to work perfect. That way you can
$n�oit, there would.'timely completion of the plans - 60 days from this time.
an a-11 ,Q,hoMe tonight ,.I've already missed the Notre Dame game."
O,.K... 'This`Is basically what we have trying to get done, since I started.
:.Of a14we,needed.to have our temporary honored up to the point of this huller.
,Oer words,,,all f this other machinery is supposedly alright - .that's what they
sated to me*..,Now,.Ws huller situation - I can hold off on this huller and
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r, Iv`thought we could put it up and you could come over and visually look, and then
'o'ctil d,.make arrangements. !None of these plan, seem to work until all of these plans
we
-
,re presented, in
, in other
tY �`a o my warehouse too. 1 feewords
el myarchitectshoe presented everythuld like a ing temporary occupancy
cy
ngthatwaslast
retquey ed by the City., Now I feel the City (,v.jes me an obligation to telling me
:h
wrat i;ey really do need. Not telling every trip I come up. Why can't they tell me
I�;A eeryt�;ing I need at the beginning? Or give me the law - it took me two trips just
to.get'the law. All the other departments work very closely with me and I thought
SA u WAT',.v ad,,answered all the questions. This is one department that I can't seem to aet
.questions answered. I've worked. very hard at it for close to 90 days.
R3 el °I'.need more than just a temporary in the office."
? =nci,lman Orton: "Have you discussed anything besides the office for a temporary ,
' z Sewa],d; "No"
Mayor;;'Glaisyer: "They had the office first and then they were going to come back
,,w1th -their plans as far as the rest of it and then we would issue temporary on
�g r�+yam t t0, t, watching the machine - I think specifically the machine only."
Se0t41 d.(,?);,: �"Joe said when we presented the blueprints then you would issue the
tempomry on the balance. In other words, the'office was right there, supposedly
dvhc that next morning. !'came over, it wasn't - forget it. Plow when I present the
,1 rent or.the blueprints, detailed drawings of electrical that we're speaking of -
wh'fch has already been presented - we were going to get a temporary on the balance -
r � 3 wh!,ch ;I have not got."
Mayor Glaisyer: "Wait a minute on that —when I went over, I came back and talked
to Vern. and I said Vern, what do you have to do to get a temporary Dermit for the
office" and he said he wanted plan of the fire escape, I believe. And I called Larry
•�
and told Larry ahold of Vern and finwhat d you have to have, ,,
y to get y get iin to him
h and;Vern said he would issue a perm,^. Isn't that correct?
Lary "'That's correct we did that."
S�Wald:: "And didn't you say at the same. time that when vie presented the plans on
")„ b ' tha;, rest of the warehouse you would issue a temporary at that point?"
�f +layor° Glaisyer: "When the plans are in and approved upon."
xbx F,s Coancil.r,�an .Orton: "That's basically what I said - that's what I wanted to do."
pro,Y.e.a temporary on the office right now and give them 60 days to get their plans..."
Sean 1d.�?): "The plans are in Rick"
tm
Orton• 'The plans are notapprovable fashion - frankly, they are not in a approvable
�, fa fon now - there are no questions, legitimate questions at this point, that I've
" 4xs hrd' that would make them approvable."
CQtlnciIman Tolsma: "Couldn't he puta time frame of 48, hours for all the City
Dqpartpients to come up with a letter to explain what they wanted on the other plan?"
Or*on•.. "That's what I think should be done."
.MaY;or. Glaisyer: "No, that was not done. And obviously this .is Dennis fault becau.,se
�
%h ;j whirr we.were communicating things were changing curing communications - that changed
,r Mrt''of.the building code - now we have to do this. I think it is both at fault.
Thi Caty is not going to take the blame for all of it. Get back again - we know
,r it,hw'ta be done for the business office. Either you are going to give him a time
s d0le'to putt the stairway in - i('you're going to out the stairway in- or if you
r N �ar;gaing to give variances `to what Vern said -then you have to do that tonight.
�xthe-c.bwsiness office its6`If."
11 m n Orton'."I would like to put a Motion on the floor that the Council offer
a"rnp�rvry occupancy permit; for the office space for up to five (5) employees and
hf e space has to be brought up to Code within ninety (90) days."
llmanTo sma: "I'd 1 i ke to question the Motion. When the architect said,
the''outsi de fire escape incorporated later on into the final building plan
ius on
,:t:he three, story along with the two story addition - you want to see that just
,' } kp�n,any` p7 ace - or could he incorporate it when he brought in plans later on
�,k "' the a^est:0f the .bui l di ng?"
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C4{�ncilman Orton: "Under my Motion it was my intent to allow in ninety (90) days
'tcy,;either construct a satisfactory exit or bring a plan for constructing to get
` '''fir'.,?, ." roved so he would have furth,�r time to get it in if he wants to wait a little
1p,ger to get it in that three story."
"Sewall: "What I could do is have a safety•fire escape on the inside, the kind you
rt'pt�t vn the inside of the windows and throw out in case something happens."
cilman Orton: "That would be nice - that was not part of my motion."
,+Saldr 'lam willing to do this - I have always been more than willing to do these
. thn.gs. Anything to make it less hazardous for a person I would prefer doing.
�te never tried to shun that responsibility."
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o•�o Pcilman Ron Tolsma: "I'll �cond the Motion."
r: "Question." "Would that bring it up to Code though - you said "up to Code"
lro it
F,a 0,P the plan - so that's not going to leave..."
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Councilman Orton: "When said "bring it up to Code" what I really intend for them
do. js the actual physical construction or be back in here with a set of plans,
` �lan,.approved and that takes care of the second exit. So if he came in in
,R 4ty-nine'(89) days, the plar{ that showed the second exit to be built at some other
�,apa e, but acceptable under thc• code - we approved it on the 89th day for construction
ata-then.:another 30 days - ther, he would in effect get his extension."
`Stivald '(?} "I think we have c.lready put one in - maybe I'm wrong."
}4� k Hill( ). ."I think you, yourselves have the power to decide- is this something
�•
ssary`or do you feel it is not orfs this throw over ladder sufficient. We really
eventually will have to build a new stairway."
TtiF ,hfConcilman Orton: "My Motion :till hasn't bypassed any part of the Uniform Building
I simply moved to allow you a temporary occupancy permit to come into
'seo�tipiiance with the Code or pr(-duce a plan, a approved plan, - it does need to comply
'the Code." -- --
rrn Schoen: "In regard to tht comment, .the reason the stairway was added is because
.floor'space calls for it. Also we were told that there would be around twenty (20)
p�op1 a hired.
,Mayor Glaisyer: The Motion ha- been made and seconded to approve a temporary occupancy
permit in the amount of ninety (90) days and that no more than five (5) employees
ix1,'t!occupy the area, and that within the 90 days either an exit would be provided
1 ' th4t meets code or an approved plan that meets all codes for the occupancy of the
w� +
� �tness office." "All in f«vor?"
,,Motion Carried: Kingsford, yea; Orton, yea; Tolsma, yea; Brewer, yea
pr Glaisyer: "Vern, you will issue them a temporary tomorrow."
" G�w as far as the other section is concerned - you have all those plans I take it?"
' SChAen: 'I have red-marked all of my part of it - I'm waiting for the rest of the,
i t?partments."
r- Glat,i.syer: "Why don't we-get the rest of the Departments in, write a letter back
;benni_s, ' i n writing, and say this is what the plans are written up for and that s
you ;do 'to get your temporary." "I mean building permits, not temporary."
MIA
0 man Orton: "If we wehre disposed toygive a temporary occupancy permit on
$
41F ' her. portion of the building, that is this area where the hulling machine would be, can
� give'mee now. '- i realize ou may not be comprehensive, I realize there still may
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"erta,'in vthings you haven't noticed, or;you would be more thorough in your office,
� r t a=:set:0 puns and.a cup of coffee, but - can you give to me the hazards on that
� ng machine if we.were to give a temporary permit,"
s` en. "-?lust from- the',graihs that is being dumped is the most hazardous. According
o i„he, nformati on we . had - like the salesman said -it's probably pretty dust proof
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Foods (C�nt'd).......
.,bu.t we're not sure of that There is a hopper taut sets on top, that dumps grain,
lose into a hopper, then into -ne machine."
'..Comncilman Orton: "Two things that the Code does to take care of this hazard is
''i explosion proo F wiring and ventilation."
S4eCb: "Right, I have all those requirements on the plans o7us it has to have
."p.one exhaust - and it has to have an extra exit - it's all marked on there."
Orton:,.. "gust a minute, I'm still pursuing this, if I could gentlemen. When would
your hulling machine be in and ready to install?"
"It's ready to be installed. It's not going in until they give me a
`.clearance as how I can put it in. I've had the machine here nine (9) days."
Bf'an Smith: "I think the decision has already be made, that what we can go ahead
a d'do, and makes sense, go ahead and wire with industrial wirin�i, or wiring up to
cod ,,hould the machine prove hazardous."
FCcF4tncilman Orton: "What I'm getting at gentlemen is, ;� the hazards aren't signifi-
lq
:s:cht, we `can obviously issue you a temporary building permit. Now, you've got the
4,m�c.hf'ne, you have agreed even on a temporary basis to out in the dust proof wiring -
y4y ve agreed to that?"
.Basically. I feel that we should put the dust wiring in."
Orton:` "Wham about the ventilation?"
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H11. 1. "This is the first I heard about it tonight."
. Orton "'So this would not be a part of your temporary occupancy request. You do not
wantto.put in the walls?"
H111(?) _'?If.-D,felt that the machine was a dust hazard - I would say yea."
'.Orton. "Vern, you.have designated part of the build -'rig, nor 11-3 use is because you
,;, think, you've been told, or you:',re worried that this might fall into that category?"
Schoen: "It's dumping grain that's called hazarcc,_,s.' Or storage of grain."
$`,: Sewald "It's pre -cleaned before it comes in to us and then its stored in a
•4x6 metal box, for which I agreed to buy metal lids for. It would be extremely
° ,dffficult to burn it -up."
C6unci.1mah Kingsford: "Vern, is there a.•different classification for cleaned grain
ver4us non -cleaned?"
.rt
.Schoen; "H-3; woodworking establishments,'planing mills,'box factories, buffing
'-,rooms 'for tire rebuilding plants and picking rooms; shops, factories or warehouses
cr where hoose combustible fibers or dust are manufactured, processed, generated or
pred; and pin refinishing rooms. " The standards that are in here, in the Code
Tp6gok, explains all of the things that creates problems, and it doesn't say that
0 -grain is dust proof - or anything. It is one of the most dangerous things
r .when, -it comes to grinding up - it doesn't sound dangerous. Another thing I would
Q, li e:to.explain - it would be very easy to move HUICO welding shop into that whole
-b -1 -1di"ng. You have to understand Life Safety and fire, etc."
cqunoilman Brewer: "I'm kind of boiling. I'.ve promised to keep my mouth shut, but
been brought out by several people here tonight - I get sick and tired of
eluding t0 tf+ese Codes all the time. These Code books are not Bible - there is only
j Bible and that's the Holy Bible. These Code books are made for guidelines =
rr °o- the�l arenot for rock -hard bottom of the way we do things. Not taking you to task
personably, Vern, but I have talked to people of other cities talked to prominent,
wel`l known' contractors who are respected,,, and they all agreed - and I know we have
ayt� 6ov�r4i re codes but that is not a Bible. We have to be able to vary from it
fid�k}at'�'S all, there is to -4t. We have caught ourselves in this position several
es the.last,,few months and I think it's going to get worse or there's going to
some changes made.''
iiffs; n Smit: h: "� think : that's very'we17 said � we have to work with this all the time.
;We'P'•:'no often Successful gaining a variance from the Code. That is the
E r � �1dingOfficials job he has no other'option, really. In the first instance you
X+ x � ri to ;wgo wi th.:the. Code, but again it doesn't describe absolutely everything.
�Ixt,oesn;:t help us in a situation like this. There are many, many more uses than
wa g�*rots. In this instance I think we inight be willing to bring that before
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Foods (C�nt'd).......
.,bu.t we're not sure of that There is a hopper taut sets on top, that dumps grain,
lose into a hopper, then into -ne machine."
'..Comncilman Orton: "Two things that the Code does to take care of this hazard is
''i explosion proo F wiring and ventilation."
S4eCb: "Right, I have all those requirements on the plans o7us it has to have
."p.one exhaust - and it has to have an extra exit - it's all marked on there."
Orton:,.. "gust a minute, I'm still pursuing this, if I could gentlemen. When would
your hulling machine be in and ready to install?"
"It's ready to be installed. It's not going in until they give me a
`.clearance as how I can put it in. I've had the machine here nine (9) days."
Bf'an Smith: "I think the decision has already be made, that what we can go ahead
a d'do, and makes sense, go ahead and wire with industrial wirin�i, or wiring up to
cod ,,hould the machine prove hazardous."
FCcF4tncilman Orton: "What I'm getting at gentlemen is, ;� the hazards aren't signifi-
lq
:s:cht, we `can obviously issue you a temporary building permit. Now, you've got the
4,m�c.hf'ne, you have agreed even on a temporary basis to out in the dust proof wiring -
y4y ve agreed to that?"
.Basically. I feel that we should put the dust wiring in."
Orton:` "Wham about the ventilation?"
p
H11. 1. "This is the first I heard about it tonight."
. Orton "'So this would not be a part of your temporary occupancy request. You do not
wantto.put in the walls?"
H111(?) _'?If.-D,felt that the machine was a dust hazard - I would say yea."
'.Orton. "Vern, you.have designated part of the build -'rig, nor 11-3 use is because you
,;, think, you've been told, or you:',re worried that this might fall into that category?"
Schoen: "It's dumping grain that's called hazarcc,_,s.' Or storage of grain."
$`,: Sewald "It's pre -cleaned before it comes in to us and then its stored in a
•4x6 metal box, for which I agreed to buy metal lids for. It would be extremely
° ,dffficult to burn it -up."
C6unci.1mah Kingsford: "Vern, is there a.•different classification for cleaned grain
ver4us non -cleaned?"
.rt
.Schoen; "H-3; woodworking establishments,'planing mills,'box factories, buffing
'-,rooms 'for tire rebuilding plants and picking rooms; shops, factories or warehouses
cr where hoose combustible fibers or dust are manufactured, processed, generated or
pred; and pin refinishing rooms. " The standards that are in here, in the Code
Tp6gok, explains all of the things that creates problems, and it doesn't say that
0 -grain is dust proof - or anything. It is one of the most dangerous things
r .when, -it comes to grinding up - it doesn't sound dangerous. Another thing I would
Q, li e:to.explain - it would be very easy to move HUICO welding shop into that whole
-b -1 -1di"ng. You have to understand Life Safety and fire, etc."
cqunoilman Brewer: "I'm kind of boiling. I'.ve promised to keep my mouth shut, but
been brought out by several people here tonight - I get sick and tired of
eluding t0 tf+ese Codes all the time. These Code books are not Bible - there is only
j Bible and that's the Holy Bible. These Code books are made for guidelines =
rr °o- the�l arenot for rock -hard bottom of the way we do things. Not taking you to task
personably, Vern, but I have talked to people of other cities talked to prominent,
wel`l known' contractors who are respected,,, and they all agreed - and I know we have
ayt� 6ov�r4i re codes but that is not a Bible. We have to be able to vary from it
fid�k}at'�'S all, there is to -4t. We have caught ourselves in this position several
es the.last,,few months and I think it's going to get worse or there's going to
some changes made.''
iiffs; n Smit: h: "� think : that's very'we17 said � we have to work with this all the time.
;We'P'•:'no often Successful gaining a variance from the Code. That is the
E r � �1dingOfficials job he has no other'option, really. In the first instance you
X+ x � ri to ;wgo wi th.:the. Code, but again it doesn't describe absolutely everything.
�Ixt,oesn;:t help us in a situation like this. There are many, many more uses than
wa g�*rots. In this instance I think we inight be willing to bring that before
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;ypu and seek a.variance. When erre present this set.of plans, I think we should
tXt�ke it 100 : t6tal ly up to codes so Vern and everybody else will be happy with it. A
ci.f'c'instahce.wemight want to seek a variance, I don't see why we don't just
bllow the norma: che.nneis, bring ;t before you ata ;ales date:'
n`
ouncilman,:Tolsma: "How much barley are you going to process?"
'Sewald "I would say one semi in a month" "We pearl the barley, we split
pias, and we bag beans. This is.what get's me - we store all these things in these
;,J,, the boxes beans do not fall in this category but I'm sure they have dust too.
;'' y can't we get a temporary on all the aspects up to.th•;s pearl barley, install
and see. what. everybody thinks. If we have a problem - put in some alternatives."
w{'. Gpunci1man Orton: "What are those other aspects?"
Swald: "We split peas, bag lentils and all the bean varieties- about 20 of them.
we press pack potatoes, carrots and onions. 'r!e go into a s;nall package with
and 2 1 b. "
F �O:ton: "You do this with that one machine?"
" '.S wald:..No, this is the whole thing. Basically, the hulling machine is what threw
Ac,�us. The -beans probably have just as'much dust as the barley - of course the beans
aren't classified that way. That one box of barley in there throws it into another
z 61ass. Basically all the products are pre -cleaned in other facilities - we just
'`freak them down into packages."
.^ton:; "What I was fishing for was a Motion that I thought my colleagues would
aoree 'to. The Motion would have to make a big stab at litigating the hazards that
:%ti,.°VErn has brought to us. I can't think of a way to do that after what I've just
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;been told,"unfortunately."
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Brian Smith: "Referring to your other Motion, you called for a set of plans - we are
very close to having that set of plans available - in a coup' !.. days probably.
would suggest that in that set of plans we indicate a solutionshould ' the huller
r ppoved to'be H-3 classification, that there is a dust hazard, 'ghat we could implement
or part of, based on whatever you decided we needed to do. So we have that
?� secific option to it.
4.Gpuncilman Orton: "In exchange for temporary occupancy permit. When is the latest
u would -want that temporary occupancy permit - now, or after you submit the plans?"
4,
`,`,,Brian Smith: "lie could submit those plans this week. How long would it take Dennis,
you prepared to .move• ahead and install all that stuff?"
.,S° Sewal d:" I',in prepared to do it tc lay"
ith: "I 'think Dennis would also have to be prepared to face the possibility that
mi ht have somewhat sionificint expense if he were required to totally sheetrock
9 P g Y
area to provide a'one hour wall. Basically enclose this space with a stub with
w+' &„,stud wall, sheetrock.. ”
Sohoen: "A block wall..."
Councilman Tolsma: "It seems teat if all the controversy runs around this hulling
machine - what if you give him x temporary for everything excluding the hulling
1 3 mAchine area."
>Sewald: "Yes, get to that poir and let's work around that one."
olsma: "You have quite a bit ,f other equipment that you can start..."
w..$350,000 worth. But that doesn't seem to be the snuabble now - up
thatpoint.
ton- uding, .alI the macs ines;the other things he want's to do and based on
e plans yyou have now, and ha( a chance to look at arid even though they are not 100%,
d your"evi,6.WA,.sn ,t- even `4OOr for the same reason, what are the major hazards with
r E rest of this i.f they do the things they say they,are going to do?"
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�r; ern Schoen:. 'The` hulling macf i ne in that area in the most 'of i t. I even suggested
hf one .t��6` ha #6y get a temporary permit and not even consider the hulling machine..
g, suggested, last ,they move It outside..and. use .it someplace else.
*iq or Gl,Aisyer „ .".Excluding that Vern, what else has to be done to the building, so
h can start conducting his business?"
t�� hoen: "Except for that? Mayor` "Except for that"
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1 .18.
January 25,'l
.,ho.en: !'It's pretty much on the plan, red -lined, except for Earls....
h'or: "Is there any major things on there we have to -worry about?"
en: "The Hyster charger would have to be removed into a separate building or
inside. I have it marked off on that. The other things I have listed here are
�kry,'mino.rlstairways and what sized steps, etc., we have a corridor added upstairs,
4.-.I,.hav,e,a couple of little items on the detail - there is no wiring shown on
i$,,',type.+Vf+exit lights or anythina.like that. That's probably one of the main
�sues other than the hyster charger and this room that they had divided off - which
"hyeo', 'went
through and listed the things that needed to be done."
*.Ian'Smith :.. From the commeni., i would say if it wasn't for the huller there would
itbave-to'be any remodeling..jhatsoever - but again, we don't have exit lights.
kkyou,could just go in therE and cet an electrical permit, an occupancy permit,
41
�,d�be in business.' I think that's the way to go."
0nc4lmah,Kfngsford: "You need exit signs and emergency lighting, is that right?"
"If we don't change our use.
ill::',:"V1,hen he read that earlier I think it was the floodlight for the stairway.
'.th=,4,Is,respect,for any of that, I would personally like to know.- and you, your -
es ca-n�only. answer this - would you really like this business in this area -
.p,.t-.you-.wakIrg.to develop this facility? Or is there some other plans in mind?
R a
.0thing, t the back of me is saying there is something else in mind down the road.
,&oe'we.'.cer'tainly don't want to spend all this time and money, which you can
,.
,e,cttodevelop have a bunch of money -*;n it -and now there is
,, this and now we
4,the�' snag.' This is my concern see - you respresent the community, do you feel
u",really want this here. That's all 1 want to know - you, yourself have to answer
iil,and,lthere is no disrespect there at all. Whatever your judgements are they are
finitely sound, but I,have a feeling that maybe you don't - maybe you really don't
t,,this in here - I feel it would be a definite'asset."
or Glaisyer: '.'Do you want to preclude anything on that Carl?"
rl,...,Raasch: ".I could have a certain lot of responsibility for what might take place
ere of which'I already have through the last few years that I have owned the place,
. I-1do have.the warranty deed for it - It's partly up to me what goes in there'.
is zoned Industrialand this happens to be a particular type of industrial oper-
1, 'benefit the City of . have had everything from fireworks
,.on that wi 11 T
4down -`many-of them that I have chosen, . personally, not to be involved.with them
a,,, -to fire hazard, that kind of thing right here in the City. I screened a'certain
hunt ,of ":ft,o.u-1,side of the books and regulations that you people have chosen for
�,,;regula,tionsfor the,City of Meridian.- and yet, we have a good one right 'now."
,,,
ancilman Ki.ngsford:' "Mr. Hill, in answer to your question, we are not developers -
.,I.east.l:..,.-h4nk.—personally, I don't care to say who put's what in what building,
45 their.building, and I still believe in a Capitalistic system -I would lot's
Cher it not'be*a Church over there because they don't pay tax -but beyond that I
kO what you, outlined, is an excellent program - I'd like very much to see it there.
L�I,n,+I Mthink., the spirit of cooperation is essential to get it going. The really rt
ant thing is that you set down, get this thing ironed out, we will all know.
�A ' s on first andwhois on second, and get going. I don't think you find this"
�y-,is personally against it at all. I'd like vory much to see it there."
Bill "I thank. you for your answers.!'
0�'f'-verbatim,transcrlption from Tape due to battery discharge on tape recorder.
p
;on file with..,.City Clerk, Meridfan'City ,Hall.
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_diad ,_CUY. Hall
Special. Meetin
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January 25,'l
.,ho.en: !'It's pretty much on the plan, red -lined, except for Earls....
h'or: "Is there any major things on there we have to -worry about?"
en: "The Hyster charger would have to be removed into a separate building or
inside. I have it marked off on that. The other things I have listed here are
�kry,'mino.rlstairways and what sized steps, etc., we have a corridor added upstairs,
4.-.I,.hav,e,a couple of little items on the detail - there is no wiring shown on
i$,,',type.+Vf+exit lights or anythina.like that. That's probably one of the main
�sues other than the hyster charger and this room that they had divided off - which
"hyeo', 'went
through and listed the things that needed to be done."
*.Ian'Smith :.. From the commeni., i would say if it wasn't for the huller there would
itbave-to'be any remodeling..jhatsoever - but again, we don't have exit lights.
kkyou,could just go in therE and cet an electrical permit, an occupancy permit,
41
�,d�be in business.' I think that's the way to go."
0nc4lmah,Kfngsford: "You need exit signs and emergency lighting, is that right?"
"If we don't change our use.
ill::',:"V1,hen he read that earlier I think it was the floodlight for the stairway.
'.th=,4,Is,respect,for any of that, I would personally like to know.- and you, your -
es ca-n�only. answer this - would you really like this business in this area -
.p,.t-.you-.wakIrg.to develop this facility? Or is there some other plans in mind?
R a
.0thing, t the back of me is saying there is something else in mind down the road.
,&oe'we.'.cer'tainly don't want to spend all this time and money, which you can
,.
,e,cttodevelop have a bunch of money -*;n it -and now there is
,, this and now we
4,the�' snag.' This is my concern see - you respresent the community, do you feel
u",really want this here. That's all 1 want to know - you, yourself have to answer
iil,and,lthere is no disrespect there at all. Whatever your judgements are they are
finitely sound, but I,have a feeling that maybe you don't - maybe you really don't
t,,this in here - I feel it would be a definite'asset."
or Glaisyer: '.'Do you want to preclude anything on that Carl?"
rl,...,Raasch: ".I could have a certain lot of responsibility for what might take place
ere of which'I already have through the last few years that I have owned the place,
. I-1do have.the warranty deed for it - It's partly up to me what goes in there'.
is zoned Industrialand this happens to be a particular type of industrial oper-
1, 'benefit the City of . have had everything from fireworks
,.on that wi 11 T
4down -`many-of them that I have chosen, . personally, not to be involved.with them
a,,, -to fire hazard, that kind of thing right here in the City. I screened a'certain
hunt ,of ":ft,o.u-1,side of the books and regulations that you people have chosen for
�,,;regula,tionsfor the,City of Meridian.- and yet, we have a good one right 'now."
,,,
ancilman Ki.ngsford:' "Mr. Hill, in answer to your question, we are not developers -
.,I.east.l:..,.-h4nk.—personally, I don't care to say who put's what in what building,
45 their.building, and I still believe in a Capitalistic system -I would lot's
Cher it not'be*a Church over there because they don't pay tax -but beyond that I
kO what you, outlined, is an excellent program - I'd like very much to see it there.
L�I,n,+I Mthink., the spirit of cooperation is essential to get it going. The really rt
ant thing is that you set down, get this thing ironed out, we will all know.
�A ' s on first andwhois on second, and get going. I don't think you find this"
�y-,is personally against it at all. I'd like vory much to see it there."
Bill "I thank. you for your answers.!'
0�'f'-verbatim,transcrlption from Tape due to battery discharge on tape recorder.
p
;on file with..,.City Clerk, Meridfan'City ,Hall.
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5
vidian City Hall - Specigl Meeting_ .19. _ January 251
iroods�:'(Cont'd).... to.......
e Motion was made by Rick Orton and seconded by Ron Tolsma to approve BioFoods,
pcated in the Creamery Building'37 East Broadway, Temporary Occupancy for the
remainder of the building covered by plans already submitted with itne exception
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zfj-; .of the hulling machine and hyster battery charger and to allow sixty (60) days
-'';for. an approved set of plans.
Motion Carried: Kingsford, yea; Brewer, yea; Tolsma, yea; Orton, yea
There being no other business to come before the Council the meeting was adjourned.
a.
APPROVED:
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;ATTEST: ,
`a ana L. Niemann, City MR
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Meridian City Hall, .4. September 8, 1981
Agenda 8 (Cont'd) Building Inspector.:...
Councilman Rick Orton agreed with.Williams that this was a very valuable service
and provides -for the C",ty. He felt Vern should be compensated for;.*,his time.
Mayor`Glaisyer. stated that $15,000 was budgeted for Building Permits and felt this.
would cover compensation.
The Motion was made by Kingsford and seconded by Brewer that the Council adopt
Vernon Schoen, Building Inspector's request and allow a 50% cost reimbursement
p on inspections of Commercial Specifications and Plans.
Motion Carried: Kingsford, yea; Williams, yea; Orton, yea; Brewer, yea
JAgenda Senior Citizens - Dale Bates, representative
9
Dale Bates was present representing HOBBY CRAFTS, INC. The purpose of the
Senior Citizen Organization is to raise money for the Senior Camp at Donnelly.
t� Bates explained, that they have donated approximately $1,000 to the Camp but have
about a $1,000 in materials left to pay for. They are using the Dairy Show Barn
presently for this work shop. Bates stated that they have had to move their
_tool,s and machinery out of the Barn several time upon different events and that
p they are crowded.
Dale Bates requested that the Mayor and Council give permission to the Senior
Citizen Hobby Craft group to use the Boiler Room Building to the side of the
1 old Creamery Building on Meridian Street.,
Building Inspector, Vern Schoen, stated that he felt it would be too expensive to
bring up to Code. Schoen spoke in behalf of the Fire Marshal also when stating
that this building would be a high hazard used as a shop. He felt that this would
open up the rest of the building (Main Creamery Building) to trouble.but if -the
Council wished to issue a six month variance from the Ordinances it might be
permissible.
Councilman Brewer: "This building they are looking at is a good deal safer than the
one they are working in - the boiler room has a steel floor, masonry building, the
,i room was, designed to use as a boiler house. Back in the days it was built it was
built to contain boilers and a fire situation. It has large doors for bringing
their large projects in and taking them out. It looks perfectly ideal for what
:hese gentlemen want to saw a few,boards."
Mayor: "Dale, how long do you anticipate being there?"
Bates: "I don't know, we hope to keep it going - we have done so well."
"Our hours are Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday afternoons from 1:00 P.M. to 4:30 P.M.
approximately, and never over eight workers at, one time."
.; Williams: "Vernon, are you concerned about the sawdust and fumes?"
r Bates: "There will be no painting r,d done o" us smoke"
Schoen: "The concern would be the sawdust and I don't think they have a restroom
the and I don't know what they are going to use for heat. If they used something
inadequate..the combination of sawdust would be hazardous."
Williams: "I.appreciate your point Vern, but I would like to see the Seniors move in
and hope we could work with them and minimize the hD:ard - I would recommend that."
Orton: "What type of equipment will ?"
ypyou be operating.
Bates: "Planers and saws"
The Motion was made by Grant Kingsford and.seconded by Bill prewer that the Council
grant a One (1) years variance from the Frere and Life Safety Crede and the Building
Code.
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Motion Carried: Kingsford, yea; Brewer, yea; Williams, yea; Orton, yea
7AgENGINEERING REPORT
' 100
Gary Smith'
J-U-B Engineers, Inc., reported a project item to be used for the
r Community Development,Block Grant (HUD) that would be allowable, or eligible,
to be .used.for that,proj,ect. This item is to monitor the sewer flows.
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Meridian City Hall .10. July 20, 1981
Agenda 4 (Cont'd) Storey....
There was discussion concerning screening sand and algae.
Storey thanked the Council and left the Chamber at this time.
Agenda OTHER BUSINESS:
The Attorney statement for legal services for sewer project in the amount of
$636.00 was discussed.
The Motion was made by Orton and seconded by Brewer to pay Statement dated
July 2, 1981 from Ambrose, Fitzgerald, Crookston & McLam Attorneys, for
Legal services concerning DVY - Arbitration and associated matters in the
amount of $636.00 and that the transfer of funds be made from the F�,wor
General Fund to Construction Fund.for payment.
Motion Carried: Brewer, yea; Orton, 31ea; Kingsford, yea
Engineering Statement No, 1 for Research in DVY Construction Company vs.
City of Meridian arbitration claim in the amount of $324,90 was discussed.
The Motion was made by Brewer and seconded by Orton that JRU-B Engineers, Inc.
Statement.No. 1, DVY Construction Company vs. City of Meridian Arbitration
clam be paid in the amount of $324.90 and that transfer of funds be made
Brom the Sewer General Fund to Construction Fund for payment.
Motion Carried:. Orton,, yea; Kingsford, yea; Brewer, yea
Agenda
Department Reports:
Building Inspector Vernon Schoen reported that Don Watia, 323 West Idaho, had
contacted him and would like to convert his home into a duplex. Schoen 'felt
that all codes can be met, no proble=! with zoning and couldn't forsee any
problems. There were no negative remarks from the Council. This request
was left to the Building Inspector.
Building Inspector Vernon Schoen reported that The Battery Doctors are located
at 37 E. Broadway (Creamery Building).
Schoen: "You have a letter before you and this is a serious situation."
Schoen had done extensive research concerning the battery business and found
this to be hazardous and hihly flammabl;r or explosive material other than
flammable liquids. (Letter dated July 20, 1981 on file with these minutes)
Ward explained the danger of the acid,:,lead oxide in the sewer pipes from
spills and wash downs.
It was the feeling of the Council that The Battery Doctors should be made to
meet all codes and requirements as listed in letter of Building 'nspector
Vernon Schoen.
The, Motion was made by Brewer and seconded by ',,ton that being. -an *mergency
because of -an immediate':hazard imposed by The Battery Doctor, 37'East::Broadway
and based on the letter�by.the,City �Bui.lding Inspector dated July 20, 1981,
that The Battery Doctor be shut down every way possible July 20, 1981, and
7 that they come before the Council with proper requirements.
Motion Carried: Brewer, yea; Orton, yea; Kingsford,yea
Kingsford: "I don't think the City should charge them a turn on fee unless
they do not voluntarily close down."
There being no other business to come before the Council the meeting was
adjourned at 8:45 N.M.
Grant P. Kingsford
ATTEST:
L ana L. Niemann/, Ci Clerk
Ceridian City Hall January 7, 1980 _
agenda
8 Jim Coleman presented the Council with Change Order #5, 1977-78 Sewer Project,
Waste Water Treatment Facilities Construction from DVY Construction Co. (copy of
Attachment A and B on file with these minutes.) Coleman recommended payment to
DVY Construction.
Orton questioned if Coleman would reconsider his recommendation of payment of some
of the contractor's items, specifically Item 5 and S-8.
Coleman stated that he would eliminate these two (2) items and resubmit to DVY
Contractor if that is the Council's desire.
Orton stated another point in submitting this change order to DVY even if modified,
results in a net payment. There are still a few clean up problems out at the plant,
the retainage would not cover if this were left to the City. There are some
unexplainable.delays.
Coleman stated there has been approximately $26,000.00 construction that has been
completed today and the contractor has not been paid. This, coupled with $55,000.00
retainage,may expedite the contractor cleaning up the problems at the Treatment Plant.
The Motion was made by Orton and seconded by Kingsford that DVY Construction Co.
Contract Change Order No. 5 be approved with deletions of Item No. 5 and Item S-8
Attachment A, and to notify DVY Construction that the pay request will not be honored
until the clarifyer and or other problems have been rectified.
There was discussion again regarding withholding approval of the Change Order.
Attorney, Crookston stated that the City should proceed in the manner of withholding
the payment Qf Chane Order as a discretionary function.
Orton withdrew -the Motion.
The Motign was made by WIl liams and seconded by Kingsford that the DVY Construction
Co. Change Order Np, 5, Waste dater Treatment Facilities Construction, be tabled
until aanuary 21, 1980.
Motion Carried; Williams, yea, Kingsford, yea, Brewer, yea, Orton, yea.
agenda
g Chief of Police, Roger Sherwin reported on the Loading Zone accomo.dations for
Briner's Repair, 707 E. 2nd St. Sherwin felt the off street parking was adequate,
5;'� but the County Sign will put a Loading Zone Sign for the parking stall farthest
north from his building on the alley.
Chief Sherwin introduced Sergeant Doug Nichols and Kevin Robertson with the new
Line Supervisor position of Corporal. Both officers were promoted, based on testing.
The Mayor congratulated the officers upon their merits.
agenda
10 Attorney Crookston addressed the Mayor and Council regarding the law passed by
Idaho Legislature in 1978 requiring all water rights be recorded by 1983. Our
City will need to file for a water right on well source developed after .March 25,
1963 or surface source after May 20, 1971.
Crookston also presented a bill for Engineering and geological services in connection
with deposition and other matters related to Pete Cope (Drilling) vs. City of
Meridian from June through November 19
He reviewed the problem with the wel
The suit is still pending. The Bond Company is aware of this, but have basically
turned it over to the City.
The Motion was made by Kingsford and seconded by Brewer that the bill from
Anderson and Kelly, Consultants in Engineering and Geology, Pete Cope vs. the
City of Meridian, be approved in the amount of $600.00.
Motion Carried: Williams, yea, Kingsford, yea, Brewer, yea, Orton, yea.
The Motion was made by Williams and seconded by Kingsford that the meeting be
adjourned at 9:20 P.M.
Motion Carried: Williams, yea, Kingsford, yea, Brewer, yea, Orton, yea.
leridian City Hall December 17, 1979
Meeting called to order by Mayor Joe Glaisyer at 7:50 P.M.
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Councilmen present: Richard Williams, Marvin Bodine, Grant Kingsford,
Bill Brewer.
Others present: Steven M. Gratton, Robert Rudeen, Bruce Stuart, Roger Sherwin, .
Marilyn Olmstead, Roger Welker, Jeff Kune, Michael L. Milhollin,
William Briner, Gene Wright, Ray Sotero, Kelly Everett, Rich
Terrell, Gary Smith, Colleen C. Eggert, Donald H. Leavitt,
Leo Edward Miller, Paul E. White, Jim Blevins, Wayne D. Crookston, Jr.
Minutes of previous meeting were approved as read.
lgenda
1 William. Briner - 707 E. 2nd.
Briner's Repair Service has a parking problem which Briner had talked with the
Chief of Police about. The Chief had asked him about removing the two hour
parking limit in front of his business. Briner needs to haul heavy equipment
and tools in and out of his shop all day. People from the bars park in front
of his building which causes -him to haul the heavy equipment long distances
to his vehicle.
The Mayor stated that Briner had a good point and that there was an increase in
parking tickets.
Bodine suggested a loading zone.
Briner agreed that this was a good idea.
The Mayor stated that it be turned over to Street Commissioner Brewer and
Chief of Police to look into the possibility of a loading zone.
Chief Sherwin stated that even with the loading zone, after 6:00 they are not
enforced.
Briner stated that having to haul heavy objects across the road is dangerous,
especially at night. He would like a loading zone in front of his business
and mentioned that McFadden's Market would also like a couple.
The Mayor stated that Brewer would investigate and make a recommendation to
the Council.
agenda
2 Home Federal Savings and Loan Variance and Design Review. E. lst and Franklin Rd.
Robert Rudeen was present, representing a request for a relief in the side yard of
a 20' setback off of Williams Ave. reduced to a 5' setback, (a 15' Variance.) This
is for a drive -up window to be as far away from E. lst as it is from Franklin Rd.
There was discussion.
Roger Welker stated that the fire hydrant would need to be raised up to street level.
Kingsford questioned about emergency vehicle access.
Rudeen estimated a 60' right-of-way. The curb and gutter will be pulled over
enough so that there will be 30' to 40' of street.
Williams stated that the developer behind Home Federal had asked for a vacation of
Williams St. through Meridian St. which has not been as yet, granted,
Rudeen stated that for people coming out onto Williams St., the standard 30'
triangle that the State Highway Department has approved, as the curb cut is 50'
back from the curb line. This is an exit only, right turn only.
The Motion was made by Williams and seconded by Bodine that the 15' Variance be
granted with the stipulation that there be a right turn only onto E. 1st and that
the landscape plan be filed with the City,and the fire hydrant to be raised to
street level.
Motion Carried: Williams, yea, Bodine, yea, Kingsford, yea, Brewer, yea.
At
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is building. He
uilding that would be good for the
Williams stated that the City has worked with numerous businesses. The
Building Inspector works with them as to the Codes, and the Fire Chief
with the Uniform Fire Code and Life Safety Codes.
Brewer stated the Council is here to work with these people, but to protect
the City.
Kingsford suggested that Schoen and Raasch meet to review what business
can be there.
The Mayor stated he appreciated Raasch's position and comments. He stressed
the responsibility of the Mayor and Council to adjoining businesses if some-
thing flamable or extremely dangerous product go into that building. He stated
that they would work with him anyway possible.
Ward stated that food processing must have sewer review.
There was discussion on the high hazard occupancy. It was the feeling of
the Council that Raasch should work with the Building Inspector to see what
will be feasible.
Agenda
10 The Motion was made by Bodine and seconded by Williams to approve transfer
of funds from General Fund, 01 to Construction Fund, 02 in the amount of
$200,000.00
Motion Carried: Williams, yea; Bodine, yea; Kingsford, yea; Brewer, yea.
Agenda
11 Mike Holford, residing at 1431 2 1/2 St. presented a petition of refusal
to pay for umpalatable water. The water in this area has been of an "onion
smell and flavor. There were 39 signatures but no others present
representing the petition. Holford stated he did not inform them of the
meeting.
Holford asked for a 40% reduction of the water bill for people that do have
irrigation and 30% for the people that don't.
There was discussion and there is no record of the residents who irrigate
ant P{�'.r, dr. }fi 'gyp ,fin-/
Meridian City Hall August 6, 1979
Meeting called to order by Mayor Joseph Glaisyer at 7:35 P.M.
Councilmen present: Richard Williams; Marvin Bodine; Grant Kingsford;
Bill Brewer.
Others present: Brad Strawn; Dale Loyd; David J. Dean; Michael L. Frost;
Roger Welker; Bruce Stuart; Gary D. Smith; Earl Ward;
Dennis Wright; Vern Schoen; Mark Mattefs; Solveig Davis;
Katie Kartchner. Allan Marsh; Joe Evans.
Minutes of previous meeting were corrected as follows: Page 4, Agenda 10
"The Motion. was made by Williams and seconded by Bodine that the City
annex the Lampe property, known as parcels 1, 2, 3 and 4, with density
not to exceed four dwelling units per acre."
Minutes of previous meeting were approved as amended.
Agenda
1 Hendren Annexation #2 "A" Residential - 20.26 acres, adjacent to
Treasure Valley Mall and East of Hendren Commercial.
Mike Frost, J -U -B Engineers was present, representing Annexation request.
Frost requested action on this matter be table until after the City
Zoning Ordinances are adopted and so that they will know what to respond
to on density.
The Motion was made by Kingsford and seconded by Brewer to table
Hendren Annexation #2.
Motion Carried: Williams, yea; Bodine, yea; Kingsford, yea; Brewer, yea.
Mayor Glaisyer called for hearing on Hendren Annexation #2.
No comment. Hearing closed.
Agenda
2 David Dean was present, representing Western Recycling.
Dean wanted input from the Council upon moving their business into
the Wyeth Laboratory Building. He stated that this would be a clean
business.
Mayor Glaisyer requested that the Building Inspector Schoen work with
Mr. Dean and report back to Council.
Williams suggested that they consider the Fire Zone,as this could cause
a problem if not resolved now.
Agenda
3 Beer and Wine Transfer, Farmers Club
Joe Evans and Allan Marsh were present, requesting the transfer as
Evans has leased the building from Don Bennett, the present owner and
is eligible for a State Liquor License.
Mayor Glaisyer asked for comments.
It was the feeling of the Council and Police Chief that additional
time is needed for research.
The Motion was made by Bodine and seconded by Brewer that the request
for Transfer of Beer and Wine License from Allan Marsh, Farmers Club,
to Joe Evans be tabled until the next meeting, August 20, 1979.
Motion Carried: Williams, yea; Bodine, yea; Kingsford, yea; Brewer, yea.
L�eridian
CityHall .I,Nh 5. 197
Rgenda
Hgto gAQter (cont'd)
Hun Spencer# partner in Bowe �lgctrco staffed that the service and Np to the
huilding is in conduit and -in a legal hox,
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Hodinp st4ted that' it is hard to comment without the State Inspector present,
„
The Code was discussed. Owe felt they cp4jd win in G�gurt, H��felt that���he�nd ,
longer wanted a City license: e
City IJcenses were discNssed,
Crooks tgr`j�ad WOO to him and claimed there was a
qn �ta,ted that ithe Inspor-
vig1ation of the COPI He rad tagge"hp 4gbO'IPwe 414 not make corrections and
Crookston was rpquasted to send a letter.
Bowe stated'VgnHrethorst was -a hood Inspertor put woH1dn't word with people,
1
He'c1aimed others hod prOlpms,
Rlaisyer refferencsd the trailer setting on the prop arty and,stotod that it needs
to he mgved�
paokham stated that the Fifty Ordinance ra,ads 1t cal�not he conne�ct�d or lnhahitedA it ...
1s stored, The He optlined seourity prohlpms,
Bodine stated that this did not have`to come hack Wore the Coenh 1 and:explOW
Joh
the City Pools to hack their Inspector until it's proven that the is-not,pein�.
done,
Schoen stated that this 'is Commercial ropporty of a.residential garage, if itis
9090 to he occupied it should hAve,a Hi Ong
nrmit.and there is a chance it should
�,.
not pe used.x x
Williams inquired IfSchoenwPHIA meet ►pith the F11ahtrioat{Inspector
and Fire Marshal
and review t e site and report bask to the Council
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Schoen state that hie W041 d.
Williams stated the situation will he reviewed,
The Motion was madPa by 001nn and seconded by r1ngsfgrd that the F1ectrical Nspectoro ,
HHilding lnspdctor $chem and Fire Marshal Voss mpeta review the Wilding and report
hook to the !�ouncil
Lowe inquired apgHt their �le�trloal I-1Ronsd 'and why they Headed to come b�efgre the
I�ohnciT;.
doy` iaxpj rood pec44sd there were 'Hnansweredquestions .and needed direction.
Plaisyar steed that he womll review the sll=uation ane Inform the G1nrk yin ghat Y
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action to take,
Motion carr Ieds � nssfdrd, yea; RAdinpa yea; Glaisyers yea:
A�Snda
�d nreoks was present and Mated that the Far Lot at 004 Fdst First is his and he
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wants to paint# cleAnw panelp Instal new doors# etc, to dean the area up,
schop' stated the puiding is very close to being con emnsd and had so i'nf�rmed
It a is he wouldn't
Mr. Hrooks. is no wise to remodol pepause`the Cg severe and
ae able to dp it.
Mr, hrooks�stated that he did not roalixe the condition of the pui1ding, He has made
orronoemonts to 1 pOp the W'J' j qo, He wants to clean . i t. Np,
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Williams stated that he wo411 need A h41lninQ permit and at that time it womld have
to came up to Cods.
$chAen slated that all he 09414 pe allowdd to dg is paint the Willing,
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Williams instrHcted Mr. weeks to get with Schoen to determine what he could do:
to the strHct�rp,
Meridian City Hall M 1 19L
Meeting called to order at 7:30 P.M. by Mayor Don Storey
Councilmen Present: Richard Williams; Grant Kingsford; Joseph Glaisyer.
Marvin Bodine, Absent
Others present: Carl B. Ellsworth; Tom Grote;H.O. "Bud" Person; Glenn Cruickshank;
7,G1,�1
Gary L. Green; Bruce Stuart; Vern Schoen; Norman Fuller; Steve Hosac;
T" Roberta L. Lytle
Agenda
;? 1 The minutes of the previous, ouncil meeting were approved as read.
Agenda
2 The Mayor opened the Pobilic Haring an the Conditional Use Permit at 1440 West
Cherry Lane.
The Mayor read the Public Hearing Notice and stated that his concern with
Coniditlonal Use Permits issued for residential areas and recommended the permit
be denied.
The matter was discussed and the Planning and Zoning comments were read.
Private use of homes for commercial use was discussed in relation to barber and
beauty shops in Meadow View.
The Motion was made by Grant Kingsford and seconded by Richard Williams to table
discussion on 1440 W. Cherry Lane Conditional Use Permit and that Mrse Lytle be
notified to appear before the Council at the next regular meeting June 59 1978.
Motion passed: Williams, yea; Glai-syer, yea; Kingsford, yea
Agenda
3 The next item of business was the Public Hearing on a Conditional Use Permit for
121 and 129 E. Pines-
The
ine. The Mayor read the Public Hearing Notice.
The matter wa+s.discussed and Pat Joy read the letter describing the proposed use.
The Motion was made by Richard Williams and seconded by Joseph Glaisyer to grant
the Conditional Use Permit for 121 and 129 E. Pine.
Motion passed: Williams, yea; Kingsford, yea; Glaisyer, yea.
The Mayor stated that the trees have been planted in'the Park by the Boy Scouts
and Public Work's Sup't., Bruce Stuart. The City is presently fertilizing the
park site and excavating. The Mayor instructed that the City honor those
Scouts assisting and Mr. Stephenson for the fine service to the City of Meridianq
before the City Council at the June 5th Council meeting.
Agenda
4 The next item of business before the Council was the bid opening on seeding the Park.;;.>.
Carl Ellsworth noted there was only one (1) bid specification out.
The Mayor stated there was an estimate of $1,000 per acre plus seed and fertilizer.
He instructed Carl Ellsworth to contact potential bidders for the Park seeding
project.
OLD BUSINESS
Agenda
5
Thenextiteum,of business before the Council was Bottlers Village.
Mr. Hosac stated that they had been before Planning_and,Zoning many.times and they
did not likethe-Exhibit B preab tdd Worki;ng-With"Planning and Zoning the
Preliminary Plat was developed.
Richard Williams stated that this did not alter the fact that the use of the back lots
had changed from 14 commercial to the present proposed use.
Mr. Hoasc inquired as to where the 14 commercial lot figure came from*
Meridian City Hall .2. April 179 1978
Richard Williams discussed the overlap with the City of Boise east of Cloverdale.
This area should be singled out as it relates to drainage and waste disposal only.
The Mayor had talked to the Mayor of Boise and there wasn't any problems as far as
either were concerned as to the lines drawn by the Meridian Planning and Zoning
Committee.
The Motion was made by Joseph Glaisyer and seconded by Marvin Bodine that the City
approve the Impact Area as constructed by Planning and Zoning and that the City
Attorney draw up an Ordinance to that effect.
Motion passed: Williams, yea; Bodine„ yea; Kingsford, yea; Glaisyer, yea.
Agewa
3 The Motion was made by Richard Williams and seconded by Marvin Bodine that a
Conditional Use Permit for 35 E. Idaho for a lawyers office, located in the
Original Townsitel be granted.
Motion passed: Williams, yea; Bodine, yea; Kingsford; yea; GVlaisyer, abstained.
Agenda
4 The next item of business was the Crestwood Industrial Park agreement to connect to
City Sewer.
-The Motion was made by Richard Williams that the Crestwood agreement be tabled
for engineering review until the next Council meeting.
Motion died for lack of a second.
Agenda
5 Dennis Lee was present representing Mountain View Equipment.
This conerns the trailer parked at Mountain View Equipment and was ordered by the
Mayor to be taken from the table.
Mayor Storey stated that the trailer had passed a fire inspection by Fire Chief,
Roger Welker, and that Mountain View Equipment was asking for two (2) more permits.
Mr. Williams stated that he would like to see the smaller trailer moved and assurance
that they would all be moved by the first of the year.
Dennis Lee, Manager, spoke about the problems of Mountain View in moving during the
summer months and that they would probably be moved by,the first of the year.
This movement depended on financing and they are working with three private concerns.
The Mayor suggested to the Council that a Conditional Use Permit be granted to
Mountain View Equipment until January, 19790
Mr. Bodine questioned Dennis Lee as to possible future requests to use trailers.
The Motion was made by Marvin Bodine and seconded by Grant Kingsford to allow
v that temporary approval be granted and that the approval be reviewed
in January, 1979.
Motion passeds Williams, yea; Bodine, yea; Kingsford, yea; Glaisyer, yea.
Mr. Lee, Manager of Mountain View Equipment, offered assistance of a backhoe in the
park tree planting.
Agenda
6 Sunnybrook Farms was next discussed:
Larry Sale, J -U -B Engineers was present representing the First Phase of Sunnybrock
Farms. Mr. Sale gave general discriptions and a critique on the development.
Sunnybrook Farms Phase I requests three (3) variances;(per letter on File with these
minutes) over length of Block Two (2); standard variances on street and sidewalk and
requested that acceptance be conditional on review of a interim septic agreement with
the City on inspection and maintenance pursuant to City policy.
Grant Kingsford stated that the City had been denying the four (4) foot sidewalks.
Richard Williams stated that he was displeased that this was submitted in such an
untimely fashion after the agenda was approved.
Mayor Storey stated that because of a lack of guidelines on submission time that
in fairness to the contractors that the Subdivision be allowed to go through.
Max Boesigar spoke on preliminary and final stages. He also discussed sewer hook-
ups and concurred with the Council that it is the contractors responsibility.
Meridian City Hall
.2. October 69 19"
pump W tine ovjsn j&& V Vr.
Motion passed: Skivers yea; Rasmussen, yea; Bodine, yea; Navarrog yea.
The Mayor stated thLt
Unless Us sewer hook-up is paid now
it w L11 be
ne pose a
in operation.
co ec en the sewer lateR3 s and
eye i in
Mayor favored
requirements to hook
a po ay r e paymente a
up ter to be at the time the trea.
w as
ant ptant
is completed.
The Motion was made
that it be the li
by K nnetb Rasmussen and second by
of the City that the sewer h -u
ohs varro
ee be d
or o occupancy
be lawfull and ro
prem des an co eceed-�a a
rl arr ed or ordained in re tion
er manner can
to line
sewer cons c on
constructed.
en a as interimmeasure
ewer =are
Motion passed:
Ski erg a; Rasmussenjj yea; Mavarro6
yea; Bodine, yea;
It was suggested thit
the present policy of the Cit3 to r
quire all due
monies to be paid before
netalling water meters on imuiG.
The Mayor read a letter
from t e Boise Cascade Co do
requesting
a ce from e
Fire Zone 1.
u es construct a steel s
cre IN
The Motion was made
that the variance a
by a and seconded � Re
req ested b the Boise Cascade o
th an
oa fie sited
to construct and er
steel. The steel
at a commercial building of eere
1 sed is to be a entl
structural
whit color.
Motion seed:
Skiver, Rasmussent yeaBodinot
yea; Wavarro, 9a.
Ric Orton stated thit
a dhangeof use for Five Mile re
will be
1necessary before a
4oan be arranged.
Boise River equivalent in the of uent
come tration
J -U -B Engineers rec
standards and be pe
ended theCity continue to request
tt d to use Five Mile Drain tea
laze effluent
of a ressure
ne - to the Boise
ver,
The Mayor state
before the Board of
t o letter d be initiated io see
Health and any other agency tha can
a be ing
f r us
e use oTMve Mile
Dr as the outfall for our n w se
r pl
e Mayor pointed o
Pioneer Irrigation
t e Nampa -Meridian Irrig tion
District have been using the vat be
t
w the present
plant* They
the use of Five M13
e t indica
theywsewage
Creek for the new City Sewage t.
objEct to
The Mayor read a le
ter that was to have been sent the
of
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was read to the Nam
par n . e or ed
-Meridian Irrigation and the one
z s letter
Irrig tion
letterftle
meeting and studies
and6for the VwMose
rela ed fo a change in use for the
-1 owed] to n
equir ments as the Boise er*
ve a Drain
with the same discharge
s o on was ma e
that a letter be set
y nneth Rasmussen and seconFthe
wi h the necessary changes to
yqe
e
Ware reque
Five Mile Creek assew
cons eration for be
ou fall instead of be
ressure
pump W tine ovjsn j&& V Vr.
Motion passed: Skivers yea; Rasmussen, yea; Bodine, yea; Navarrog yea.
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Meridian City mall e2e September 89 1973
The Mayor brought up the request by the City to ACHD for consideration of
a ay stop at y bare an -d Meridian.
The County had sent it letter in answer to this request byNeho
that the
had made a surveIsh
a ra c no Marr type Conti -51.
The Mayor statedthe surve should be made now t t1 is in
session instead n the et' was taken during a a�.
John v o o his tter further because itht that
this intersectiold lave p oper controls before someone gets hurt..
Robert Davis9 Attorney relresenting Crestwood Subdivision and ac ompanied by
Joe Glaigyoro wa present to re uest PmUcipation of the City line
differento --
The City Council bad been Ime-mted copies of City actions conce the
arrangement in parti ipat on of line size differentialo
TW,, pavis InAlca
consideration as another develolment.
The Mayor explained rhe reasons why other developers were onsid rede The
_ others had placed PV,pi o th Citi needed to crose their lands to got
Well #i into the City system, etc.
Mro Glaisyer had met with the C ty representatives tc requ st i tallation o
transits a form of i not ted b the City.
Ric Orton explained he ee view -point concerns thi mt r- in that -he
Mr. Gbaisyer had wri ten letter in agreement with a 81 35 fo transitee
The Church of Jehova Witness re�resentativeg Rod Med3ey, discussed thein
a a ono —asei-jeF-11nd on V188t Broaffw-a—y or lard bougU-Tr3a isiII Wdgffe-r*
The trunk lines on West B oadwa angles to the North-west o the East of their
property.
A Dine approximately 130 eet will be required to extend t the t and
across Broadway o r ac B nee
Mr. Medley was Inst cted to work with the York°s Su °t. get severer line
o e y s x e an cau ones provide 616M,out Dutleto
areas in tie line.
Mra Shoemakerg rpres ntinj Bois Cascada Corporation,, came befor3 the
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the Meridian Pirie f m E. Secon to approximately East 5t South of Broadway.
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__ This matter was prey rated to th Planning and Zoning Comma sion t their meeting
for a light industry talla ion. Area is in an 3ndustrial z3ne and is
proper*
The First parcel is from Second St. to E. %bird Ar a truss joie
manufacturing area.
Mr. Skiver read from the Planning and Zoning minutes where they iad ruled on
phis mater —vera . I
A fcnce is beside the sidewalk on East End Streete!hey ould iitend to fence
n tAlf property ard wo A con i er abandoning a as 3, pedestrin
access to protect heir liability,
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private property.
The Second parcel io from East rd to approximately . .5tb for retail
Meridian City Mall
e3e
September 89 1975
Nr,, Shoemaker pointe out hat t
ey mould plan to b demolishing the old
u s e n
.
A Fire hydrant is pr posed for East
3rd by the railsp acc rding to
their Fire Underw�'it roe e
e ® sugges a er Wy Z a
E. 5th and Broadway.
Mr, Shoemaker stated that tLe thoaght
that this could be arranged for their
oi.m fire d iter ro ram,
ITha Motion waa made liv W. ). lsi,
an econded v_K et Ras sen
that the City approv the once-
tadd
plan of the Boise C Cor ration as
presented -for the- ar a_ So_ Ohl -of
roadwo�ro_m East 2n t h Streete
Motion passed: Skive t Y4
Rasmussent yea; Bo e, ea; N varro9 goad
The Mayor brought, up thetter
_Uumpe traps to
f the requirement of the#Are airing
con 11K,.L%L
Hcy suggested that these r ps sh3uld
V
be inspected per odic iy.
-Tkm t1brk i a Department-ts t o -insr,
sct these traps regal a ly mco-P r month.
There are several in ersec�tians
that need to be trimm d ba ke
The Chief Of Police and WcrkQs S
pOt, are to find the;e pr bleu i Lreas and
Highway District for rem0 1.
I
Well #$ was discusse ,• Ric Orton
explained there sh uld be a t ne set to
et Uith the contra tor a nd t
regulat7ed art 4J 11 into
i�:
- Work i 5 Sup I t a so tha b bbo won tar, Plo Could Wo
the water system, ThLo would require
Vera! 1W the
a
W. D. Skiver explain d that Carli
Raasch had presented a re uest rezone
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The Planning and Zo d inf
ted at Ft iri v Lew anC a -
rmed him that Gruber venub must be allowed
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The Motion was made by W. D. SlOver
that the City approve the zone
and seconded by KannethRasm ssen that
hange ffro» to Cm for he C 'l Raasch
property located at Fairview an
Locust Grove and that a Utter be sent _
rming them of this mattere
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The Magor mentionedfhat Doctor
has purchased a ho a in his ea. His name
is Dr, Drenlin and i "appears that
he plans to establish a pract ce here in
Meridian,
Ordinance Number 282 was read b
the Mayor entitled:: AN 0 INANE SETTING
--- FORTH THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF MONEY
NECESSARY TO BERAISE)
,ASSESSED ON THE TAXABLE PROPERTY
WITHIN THE CITY OF DPIDIAN FOR THE
YEAR JANtT Y l0 1}97
AND ENDING DECEfi
K-4- U
that the Ordinance 606 be charged
-4.9-e and seconded -12,3. Kemnath_Ra-3mumen.
from $3D0 to be raised to $7110 for
Notion seed: Skiv r e
• Rasmussen,, ea• Wine, ea• N var. non.
noffialwWWA-11
Meridian City Ball e6e December 2, 1974
Rig; Orton presented it letter
that
was addressed to th
Cit for Loan funds
A pre -application needs tc
be reactivated
in this matter
ii the event the
City should need to borrou_
funds.
Ric Orton is to take steps
to reactivate
this pre -app
_
icat on.
The mtter o the f_r
treed
consideration some t me apo
was
brought up,
will need to be solved
that can be solved
The Mayor stated that the e-isa
at some future point in time; but
traffic problem that
this is not a problem
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at -the prevent time,
The backup of traff c intlo the
bank drive -up window
was d scuss d. ,
It was decided to call for a NO
East First Street from Bro�a_dway
LEFT TURN for traffic
to Idaho Avenue and p:)ssibTy
travelizw North on
at a later time _
par" in front of
to consider whether it would be necessary to eliminat
the First Federal Savings and Loan,
It was pointed out tat theft—ata District Highway De
be called for cle_ar_a c_e of sign' st First Street
in relation to contr 1 of t ff into the drive thro
_
rhm�nt would need to
fhich is Hi hwa 30,
_
gh a Farm rs and
Merchants State BanVand First Federal Savings and _Loan.
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Gary Green, Chief ofjPolic e, prelsented the Police report
There being no other � busihess to come before the Co un
adjourned.ti
for
ilthe-
las month,
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meting stood
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January 9, 1973
The Water Commissioner rec mmend6d that the City set ap a Echedule of
I
h-sC
I-t-illu6n charges- hit - u Fir''PSMIEl w
Ill E c.Foser re on ip
installation costs.
The motion was made ty Keith Ellis and seconded by Marvin Iodine that
n . ew inAnliation ch!rrges b9-rais7!a f6 --defray -the --- in t jjRtj on co.: 6 OT
meter.--; and that the (barge ,; be s.t for:
Me - ter size Ins tallatLon" plus cutting Of Oil if zequired
741_ 90.CQ: 40 400
3/411 120.00 40,00
11/2 R90.00 80 o
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_Motion -oassecl-- Skive yea -yea-;- Nay arxpLq- yea,
John Navarro stated the ho se tying ring in the sidew lk has caused people
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to trip * in the area along Idaho �ear the, Idaho Power ompary.
The Mayor stated that it is not the responsibility of the C I ity tc repair
sidewalks or make cha!�ges It is the res ponsiblit d
liability of the property owners in matters of mainteiance and repair as
wel.11assnowand ice rempyg.;p
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A letter has been sen to order the Service Station at East 1st and Idaho,
that bar, be . en hitbyvehiCle'q to - repair — or suffer c ndemp ation.
The M ypr m1itioned..t at
_he would like to -meet- withtl�e ncil to discuss
and plan the budget tat m st beipresented by the end of Marchhe time.
wa s set for January 115th as - 7:00 P.M-_ jrj_ executive _session.
d th
Vernon Schoenmg Inspecto
$ Building requested perm e
ission to atten
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Intermountai._n -Chapter,,' 9f Bliildin$ CLf f icials - Gonferencl " _Fe truary.5th to
19th at Pocatello, at .4 cost of $150-00-
The Motion was made b� Margin Bodine and seconded by D. Skiver that
Bui Idi ng Inspector, Vfernoni R. Schoen, be authorized t att nd the Builder's- Conference on Februaq 5thito 9th at Pocatello and th t he be re-impursed
$150.00 to defray his, expense
Motion passed: b ve2--Y!ka Ellis,.yea: Bodin a _A Na-varro,—yea.
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Bills were read:
Datel Purpose Fund Amount
6 A 4t rw)'
-- 2.72 j1daho First National,Bank 'Federal Revenue Sharj.ng General 12,'
Bruce Stuart i I lGenera 270-00
12, 3.7?- JLabor -
12. - Welker Fire Chief re
.72 43:00
12.15-72 Herald J. Cox____1--__tFireman Tire -T
12.15-7;? Robert Voss Fireman (Fire 37-00
1--- r -i T-0 67.00
12-77 2? Terry_ - - _ mclsToldrick
12 5.72� Keith Ellis
12. 5.72 Wayne Skiver_ - ---.--
--:F2 . 5.72 JSherman Louderbaugh
4753 12.15-72 Bill Pitman
Fireman
Fireman
Fireman
Fire 16.00
Fire39-00
Fire 8.00
Fire 24.00
kariiiJaq Planning & Lou7llgis t'l y b, iyijb
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Planning and Zoning Commission meeting called to order by Chairman, Willard Dawley
Members present: Willard Rowley; Don Sharp; Lee Mitchell; Annetee Hi.nrichs4 Burl Pipkin
Others present: Delbert R. Madseng,Arlo R. Nelson; Max A. Boesiger; H.O. "Bud" Persons;
Lee R. Stucker; Roy K. Alger; Gene Wright; Leonard A. Stucker;
z Mrse Leonard Stucker
There were no corrections or alterations to the previous minutes.
There was discussion concerning " Conditional Use Permit at 1440 W. Cherry Lane,
Mrse Robert Lytle for a Bookkeeping Service.
,Mrse Lytle explained to the Commission that this would be a small business, that
a circular driveway had already been constructed although there would not be more
than one vehicle at a time; most business would be done by mail. She also stated
that there would not be a large sign display, only a small sign advertising
Bookkeeping services, in connection with the mail box.
Don Sharp stated that his concern was about the precedent that the Commission would
establish by approving an area, or Conditional Use Permits for a Commercial usage
in a Residential area, especially on Cherry Lane. His personal opinion was that
Strip type Commercial should be avoided.
The Motion was made by Lee Mitchell and sebonded by Annette Hinrichs that the
Conditional Use Permit at 1440 W. Cheery Lane, Bookkeeping Service belonging to
Mre► Robert Lytle be grantedv allowing onli a small advertising sign.
Motion passed,
'The next item of business was the Conditional Use Permit for 121 and 129 E, Pine
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Office space.
The Motion was made by Lee Mitchell and seconded by Don Sharp that the -Conditional
Use`Permit for 121 and 129 E. Pine for office space be approved. -
Motion passed: All yea
Ge
ne Wright of J U -E Engineers, representing the Amended Plat of Cherry Lane Village #1
and Final Plat of Cherry Lane Village #2 . There was a survey error made on the westerly'
boundary of Cherry sane Village #1 that didn't get changed before the Plat was recorded-
'Strictly a survey correction.
The Motion was made by Don Sharp and seconded by Lee Mitchell that the amended Plat of
Cherry Lane Village No—One be approved and recommended to the City Council .
Motion Passed: All yea I
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The Motion was made by Don Sharp and seconded by Annette Hinrichs that the Planning and
Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council the acceptance of Cherry Lane Village #2
Final Plat subject to (1) sewer requirements (2) Central District Health requirements forlI�
surface drainage and (3) Post Office requirements and grant street length variance.
Motion Passed: All yea I
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Final plat for Glennfield Subdivision #1 discussed and represented by J -U -B Eng.
The Motion was made by Lee Mitchell and seconded by Don Sharp that the Planning and
Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council that the Final Plat of Glennfield Sub.#1
be approved provided all requirements are met concerning sewer, water, drainage,
Post Office and granting street variance to 1200 ft. with request that developer try
to work with School Sup't. and Police Chief to work out traffic pattern.
Motion passed: All yea
Meridian Planning and Zoning .2. April 10, 1978
Mr. Mitchell was concerned about another Plat having to be formed to accomplish
this.
The Motion was made by Jim Kling and seconded by Burl Pipkin that the Planning and
Zoning Commission accept the Settlers Village for the concept of zero lot line
Condominiums provided that prior to the time the Preliminary Plat is submitted the
City of Meridian has in effect an ordinance providing for the condominium concept
and that the preliminary plat conform to this ordinance.
Motion passed: Hinrichs, yea; Kling, yea; Pipkin, yea; Sharp, nay
Mitchell, abstained.
Joseph Glaisyer was present to discuss a Conditional Use Permit for 35 E. Idaho
is the Meridian Original Townsite for office space for an attorney.
Mr. Glaisyer stated that parking will be provided on a lot to the East which is now a
vacant lot.
This will be prepared in the near future by black topping.
The Motion was made by Annette Hinrichs and seconded by Jim Kling that the
Conditional Use Permit be granted to Joseph Glaisyer at the premises of 35 E. Idaho
for use as an Attorney Office,, contingent to acceptance by the Nampa -Meridian
Irrigation District and the paving of the parking lot.
Motion passed: All, yea.
Mr. Edmon Jones was present to discuss the request for Conditional Use for the
premises of 14 E. Carlton in the Nourses 3rd Addition.
He presented a parking proposal for the use of the land.
The Motion was made by Don Sharp and seconded by Lee Mitchell that the Commission
recommend to the City Council that the Conditional Use Permit be granted to the
premises of 14 E. Carlton located in the Nourses 3rd Addition for the purpose of
permitting office use.
Motion passed: All yea.
Impact Area matter was discussed. It had been agreed by the Commission to take action on
this -as a result of the Impact Area Hearing held before the Commission on
March 279 1978 at the American Legion Hall.
All present at this hearing offered favorable comment for the acceptance of this
impact area.
There has been no negative response concerning this area. It was noted that the
City needs to have the response from the Planning and Zoning Commission.
Mr. Sharp stated that this area should not necessarily be annexed to the City or
attempt to provide services in the South East area but it definitely has a strong
influence on our immediate areaof Meridian, and that Meridian needs to have a
strong voice in how that area is developed and planned.
The Motion was made by Don Sharp and seconded by Burl Pipkin that the Commission
recommend to the City Council that the Impact Area as defined in Ordinance #319
as described County line on the West, Highway 20-26 on the North, Cloverdale on
the East as far South as the Freeway -Overland area, then including 5 Mile, 8 Mile
and 10 Mile Creek drainage but extending no farther East than Cole Road or the
New York Canal whichever comes first, then returning West to the County Line in
the general vicinity of the Rawson canal be approved.
It was reported that there has been no negative response to this plan.
Motion passed: All yea
Mr. Glaisyer, representing the City Council was present to suggest to the Commission
that they proceed to solve the minimum lot size matter.
Meeting adjourned.
Chairman
attest:
City Clerk
NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING
NOTICE IS?HEREBY GIVEN, pursuant to the Ordinances of the
City of Meridian and the laws of the State of Idaho, that a
hearing before the Planning and Zoning Commission will be held
at the City Hall in the City of Meridian, at thelour of 8:00
P.M., Monday, April 10, 1978 and before the City Council at the
City Hall in the City of Meridian, at the hour of 7:30 P.M., on
Monday, April 17, 1978, for the purpose of issuing a Conditional
Use Permit to Joseph Glaisyer, on 35 E. Idaho Street in Meridian,
Idaho, being in Block 2 of the Meridian Townsite, for office space.
Any and all interested parties shall be heard at said
hearings.
DATED This 21st day of March, 1978.
AMBROSE.
FITZGERALD &
CROOKSTON
ATTORNEYS AND
COUNSELORS
929 EAST FIRST
MERIDIAN, IDAHO
93842
TELEPHONE 888.4481
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NOTICE' OF' PUBLIC HEARING
NO ICE IS HEREBY GIVEN, pursuant to the Ordinances of the
City oflNeridiaa and the laws of the State of Idaho that a
hearing' before theMez �d a City Ccunc,i1 will be' held at the -
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City Hail in the"Citi of"Merid an',,at the hour of 7:30 P'.M ,
on,Mond�y`,_May, 1, 137,8 dor the purpose of issuing a Conditional
Use Perx�it to Mr. and Mrs. Edwin F. Jonss,,14. East Carlton
Avenue, Meridian, Idaho,, on' Lots 1 '�2 and 30. Block 1 of F. A.
Nourse'i Third Addition to Meridian, Ada County, Idaho, for '
office space:
Any and'all interested parties shall be'heard at said
hearing.]
DATED This 11th day of Apr 1j, 1478.
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