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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL
MARCR-I6;-1993--
ITEM:
MINUTES- OF THE PREVIOUS MEETING HELD MARCH 2, 1993: (APPROVED)
1: SAM FISHEL: REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT a UGLY DUCKLING AUTO
RENTAL: OLD TOWN DISTRICT': (TABLED)
2: FINAL PLAT: KEARNEY PLACE # III SUBDIVISION: (APPROVED)
3� FINAL PLAT: MERIDIAN GREENS # III: (APPROVED)
4: ORDINANCE # 596: ORDINANCE ANNEXING & ZONING RUNNING BRROK ESTATES: (APPROVED)
5: PUBLIC HEARING: ANNEXATION & ZONING OF ELK RUN SUBDIVISION; (APPROVED).
6: PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WITH PRELIMINARY PLAT
BRIDGEWOOD PARK SUBDIVISION: (TABLED)
7: PUBLIC HEARING: ANNEXATION & ZONING REQUEST , WEST SIDE BIBLE CHURCH &
DENNIS HICKS: (APPROVED)
8: PUbUC Hr:'�. znr.: i:EQUEST FOR ANNmTION & ZONING BY DAVE LEADER: CHERI
MEADOWS SUBDIVISION: (APPROVED FINDINGS WITH AMENDMENT TO SQUARE FOOTAGE MINIMUM)
9: DEPARTMENT REPORTS:
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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MARCH 16, 1993
The Regular Meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to
order by Mayor Grant P. Kingsford at 7:30 P.M.:
Members Present: Ron Tolsma, Bob Corrie, Bob Giesler, Max
Yerringt on :
Others Present: L. Belnap, Don Bryan, Norman Fuller, Chuck
Fuller, Steve Anderson, Ron Garvin, Raleigh Hawe, Dan Wood, Gary
Lee, Bill Hardt, Wayne S. Forrey, Boy Scout Troup 210, Norm
LaCombe, Becky Bowcutt, Don Hubble, Cris Williams, Wayne
Crookston, Jim Johnson, Bill Gordon, Gary Smith, Jack Niemann:
MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING HELD MARCH 2, 1993:
The Motion was made by Tolsma and seconded by Yerrington to
approve the minutes of the previous meeting held March 2, 1993 as
written:
Motion Carried: All Yea:
Kingsford: Welcomed Boy Scout Troop 210 to meeting.
ITEM #1: SAM FISHEL: REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UGLY
DUCKLING AUTO RENTAL: OLD TOWN DISTRICT:
Kingsford: Is there a representative present? Does Council have
any questions?
Giesler: The proposal is for a fence to be put up on the one
side of the building, is that correct?
Glenn Slocum: That's correct.
Giesler: Has anybody checked to see if there's a sight problem
as far as safety or anything on that corner?
Slocum: Not according to the Ada County Highway District. It
was their recommendation that we do erect a fence and that was
agreed to.
Giesler: How high of fence was it?
Slocum: I don't recall either.
Kingsford: The letter that you sent to us on March 10th had
three items that the Planning and Zoning had concern about,
you've addressed number one with regard to the site layout plan,
lack of written agreement between yourself and Theirhouse's, has
that been remedied?
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Slocum: Yes. Mr. Fishel is in the hospital at this time but yes
that has been taken care of. They have reached an agreement.
Mr. Theirhouse does know that Sam has agreed to allow him access.
Kingsford: But we don't have anything in writing to that effect?
Slocum: Not in writing, but Mr. Fishel guaranteed the City
Council that Mr. Theirhouse will have access.
Tolsma: Restroom facilities are they going to be in operation
there?
Slocum: Yes, it will be remodeled and brought up to code.
Tolsma: Is there going to be any structural improvements?
Slocum: No. Just repaint it and make it look a lot nicer.
Corrie: In reference to the Findings it says there does not
appear to be sufficient space for parking and landscaping, is
that true Wayne, do we have a problem here?
Crookston: As near as I can tell. Without a variance it could
be a problem.
Corrie: One other thing I'm concerned with is the fence up
against the sidewalk. Improvement of lot is great but a fence
downtown I have some reservations about.
Slocum: Whatever the Council decides as maybe a restriction or a
condition, I'm quite confident that Mr. Fishel will comply.
Yerrington: Will there be any car sales from this lot?
Slocum: No sales, just rentals.
Giesler: I would ask the feelings of the rest of the Council
about the fence being erected downtown like that. I don't think
it's quite appropriate to have a fence right out on the street
like that or out to the sidewalk.
Tolsma: If we don't have landscaping it has to be a variance.
Crookston: That's correct. If there's a fence along the
sidewalk in front either to the Idaho St. side of the property or
to the East 1st Street side, if it's in front of the setback he'd
need a variance from the fence ordinance.
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Kingsford: Since that fence doesn't really enclose anything,
what would be the purpose of the fence?
Slocum: The Highway District recommended it for safety for
pedestrians on the sidewalk.
Kingsford: I agree with Mr. Giesler's comments that a fence is
not necessarily going to an attractive amenity down there. I'd
ask one question Counselor, with the regard to landscaping in Old
Town.
Crookston: It's throughout. It's in the subdivision and zoning
ordinance that that's required.
Tolsma: Have they said anything as far as keeping the cars off
the sidewalk other than a chain link fence or did ACHD specify a
chain link fence?
Slocum: They didn't specify what type of fence, just a barrier.
Wayne Forrey: If it is acceptable to the Council and Mr. Slocum
or Mr. Fishel, the Downtown Improvement Committee is having a
meeting this Friday at City Hall at 10:00 A.M., we're looking at
progress on the Downtown Phase II Project and this property is in
Phase II. It's possible that the Downtown Committee might have
some recommendations on the fence. That might be something that
Council would choose to table and give that committee at least a
chance to work with Mr. Fishel and Mr. Slocum.
Kingsford: That's a good idea.
Tolsma: The Highway District comment was to just basically keep
the cars from driving or parking on the sidewalk. So if
something is a foot and a half high or something maybe that would
work.
Kingsford: I'd suggest, if it is the pleasure of the Council, to
go ahead on the basis of having Mr. Forrey pursue that with the
owners and the Downtown Improvement Committee.
The Motion was made by Corrie and seconded by Tolsma to table
until next meeting pending the outcome of the Downtown
Committee's recommendation.
Motion Carried: All Yea:
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ITEM #2: FINAL PLAT: KEARNEY PLACE III SUBDIVISION:
Kingsford: Any questions of staff?
Giesler: I'd ask Mr. Gary Smith if everything looks in order to
him on this project.
Eng. Smith: I haven't heard back from the applicant but our
comments are rather minor in nature so I'm sure they will be
taken care of.
The Motion was made by Giesler and seconded by Yerrington to
approve the Final Plat on Kearney Place III Subdivision
conditioned upon City Engineer's approval.
Motion Carried: All Yea:
ITEM #3: FINAL PLAT: MERIDIAN GREENS #III:
Kingsford: Does Council have any questions of the Developer or
their Engineer?
Corrie: The Fire Department had a comment about the culdesacs,
the off street parking signs, they would like to have the Ada
County Highway District put those signs up with the enforcement
of that. Can we work that so they will put the "no parking"
signs in those culdesacs?
Don Hubble: I'm sure that's possible. I'm not sure if that
request should come from you to the Highway District or from the
Developer to the Highway District. In all other street sign
cases, the Developer is responsible to pay for those. It might
just be a matter of who requests it.
Kingsford: In either event, so long as they go up and they are
maintained.
Tolsma: You don't have any problem with the Engineers comments?
Hubble: No problem.
The Motion was made by Corrie and seconded by Tolsma to approve
the Final Plat on Meridian Greens III conditioned upon approval
of City Engineer.
Motion Carried: All Yea:
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ITEM #4: ORDINANCE #596:
BROOK ESTATES:
ORDINANCE ANNEXING & ZONING RUNNING
Kingsford: AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MERIDIAN ANNEXING AND
ZONING CERTAIN REAL PROPERTY WHICH IS DESCRIBED AS A PORTION OF
THE SW 1/4 NW 1/4 OF SECTION 19, T.3 N., R.1 E., B. M. , MERIDIAN
ADA COUNTY, IDAHO; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Is there
anyone who wishes Ordinance #596 read in its entirety? No
response.
The Motion was made by Giesler and seconded by Tolsma that the
rules and provisions of 50-902 and all rules and provisions
requiring that Ordinances be read on three different days be
dispensed with and that Ordinance #596 be passed and approved.
Roll Call Vote: Yerrington - Yea; Giesler - Yea; Corrie - Yea;
Tolsma - Yea;
Motion Carried: All Yea:
ITEM #5: PUBLIC HEARING: ANNEXATION & ZONING OF ELK RUN
SUBDIVISION:
Kingsford: I will open the Public Hearing and invite the owner,
developer or engineer to begin the testimony.
Gary Lee, 1750 N. Summertree, was sworn by the attorney.
Lee: I'm with JUB Engineers and am representing the applicant of
the Development Group. This particular application is for
annexation and a preliminary plat. It didn't say so on the
Agenda. Just wanted to get that clarified.
Crookston: You could hear the preliminary plat and if the
Council approves it, it would require tiling at this juncture of
the Kennedy Lateral.
Lee: Then you could act on the Variance later.
Crookston: That's correct.
Kingsford: I think the variance is scheduled for hearing at a
later date. Let's look at both the preliminary plat and the
annexation and zoning.
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Lee: The parcel in question is a piece of property formerly
owned by the Davenports on Highway 699 situated south of Overland
Road about 7509. It consists of about 15 1/2 acres, it lays
contiguous to an existing zone currently in the City limits. The
zoning request that was requested was for a portion to be R-4 and
a portion to be R-8. The intent is to provide a buffer between
the commercial zone to the north and also for Hwy 69 to the east.
That particular buffer zone is bounded by W. Davenport Drive and
also by the division line between N. Gull Cove and N. Kobic
Place. The R-8 zone is about 8 acres in size and the R-4 zone is
a little over 7 acres. At this point and time in the R-8 zone
we'll be looking at the preliminary plat which consists of 6500
sq. foot minimum lot sizes. The R-8 portion is of course 8000
sq. foot minimum. This particular project, if approved, will
consist of 53 lots which results in a density of about 3.4 per
acre. Water and sewer will be extended to this project. All
streets will be ACHD standard streets. We've met with ACHD in
regards to a planned future Collector Street along the southerly
boundary shown as W. Calderwood Street, that will line up with a
proposed street to the east that will access the plat you just
approved for Running Brook Estates. As mentioned earlier the
property is bounded to the west by the Kennedy Lateral, which is
under the jurisdiction of NMID, the plan at this point is, we are
applying for a variance to allow us to fence off that lateral in
lieu of piping. There are no other irrigation ditches or
drainages that traverse this property that require delivery of
water to neighboring properties. Any questions?
Kingsford: Just for clarification, we didn't approve the
preliminary plat on Running Brook, we just approved the
annexation and zoning. Did you run a calculation on all of those
lots to see that they meant the R-8 requirements?
Lee: Yes and they all meet the minimum.
Tolsma: If you look at the plat map here, the lot lines go to
the center of the Kennedy Lateral and if there's a 35' easement
on there, how does that affect the lot size?
Lee: The lot sizes on that side are 140' in depth and we'll be
taking 30' off that so there will be 110' of usable lot depth.
Giesler: In not tiling that ditch, could we end up with a
problem like we have out there occurring right now?
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Kingsford: At this juncture since we're not hearing the variance
at this moment, you'd be looking at approving it tiled. You can
examine that when the variance is discussed.
Corrie: On the R-8 lots what size homes do you plan on?
Lee: I'd like to defer that to the developer.
Yerrington: In your next phase are you going to be asking for R-
8 also or will it be all R-4?
Kingsford: He's already stipulated to me that the rest of it
would be R-4. Thank you. Anyone else to testify?
Hill Hardt, 1895 S. Meridian Rd., was sworn by the attorney.
Hardt: What exactly was the question concerning the size of the
houses?
Corrie: On this R-8 that your requesting, are you still staying
with a minimum square footage of 1350?
Hardt: Yes. The homes range from 1350 to 1600 square feet, all
the homes will be fully fenced and all the homes come standard
with front yard landscaping with a minimum of three 15 gallon
trees, fully sprinklered, and a six foot high picket fence.
Kingsford: Thank you. Anyone else to testify? No response. I
will close the public hearing.
Crookston: I would reference for the Council that there is a
tentative agreement between Mr. Hardt and the Council to have a
development agreement for this parcel.
The Motion was made by Tolsma and seconded by Yerrington to have
the attorney prepare the Ordinance for annexation and zoning for
Elk Run Subdivision:
Motion Carried: All Yea:
The Motion was made by Tolsma and seconded by Giesler to approve
preliminary plat conditioned upon approval of Ordinance and
Development Agreement being met.
Motion Carried: All Yea:
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ITEM #6: PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT
WITH PRELIMINARY PLAT BRIDGEWOOD PARK SUBDIVISION:
Kingsford: I will open the Public Hearing and invite the owner
or a representative to come forward and speak first.
Crookston: Stepping down due to a conflict of interest. Mr.
Riddlemoser will be sitting in.
Becky Bowcutt, Briggs Engineering, 1111 S. Orchard, Boise, was
sworn by the attorney.
Bowcutt: The property in question here is approximately 5.9
acres in size. It is located on the east side of Meridian Road,
which is designated as a minor arterial. The property is
currently zoned R-15, the R-15 allows for multi—family dwellings
as a permitted use. What they are proposing here is four plex
units. We have requested a conditional use permit because we
have applied for a private road along the interior, we will be
taking access off of Meridian Road through an existing private
road, E. James Court. It has 22' of pavement, it does have curb,
gutter and sidewalk along the south boundary. My client does
have a recorded 60' easement across that parcel for use of E.
James Court. We are also applying for a preliminary plat which
has 22 lots. Of 22 there are 20 that are buildable lots and we
have two open space lots which are Lot 6 and Lot 9, these will be
landscaped. We meet all the requirements on the minimum lot
sizes, which is 2400 sq. ft. per unit. Each lot exceeds 9600 sq.
feet. The proposed private street will have a 32' easement with
a 30' pavement section. Water and sewer are available to this
site. The total number of units proposed on this site is 80,
each structure will be 3480 sq. feet or roughly 870 sq. feet per
unit. Each unit will have a carport and then an additional
parking space behind that and a storage area will be located
between the carport and the dwelling. Our proposed density is
13.59 dwelling units per acre. One of the issues brought up is
the fact that we do only have a single point of ingress and
egress off of Meridian Road. (Explained on map) I sent two
letters plus drawings and information to the owners of that
particular property who reside in California, basically
requesting their permission to place a gate, which would be used
for emergency vehicles only. It would only be used in the event
that there was some type of an obstruction on James Court.
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(Presented photographs to Council showing existing fire hydrant,
a no parking sign and it states "fire lane" also of E. James
Court Street) Our proposed development is compatible with the
existing development in the area. Presented copies of the
warranty deed to Council because the question did arise, I
received a letter from the Attorney's of the owners of James
Court who made a comment that they did not feel that we had an
easement over that property. (Explained deed to Council — see
tape) We have received the City Engineers comments and have no
problem with them. (See tape for further) I'd be happy to
answer any questions.
Kingsford: You show those streets just stubbing into the open
areas, I assume that encompasses Mr. Smith's comment under #3 for
future access, is that a consideration? Certainly it's our
desire not to landlock any adjacent properties.
Bowcutt: We have reviewed the assessors map which indicates
which parcels are tied together. (Presented assessor map and
explained — see tape) —
Kingsford: The problem with this is that both this and Blue
Heron Drive are private lanes and that constitutes a problem.
Bowcutt: I guess we can sit down and talk with Gary Smith about
stubbing those out. These are just our open space lots.
Kingsford: You have no problem with the location of sewer lines
in that private drive and making sure that we are the recipient
of easement for those utilities.
Bowcutt: The applicant is aware of that, yes. We have no
problem.
Tolsma: This is all off street parking for these apartments?
Bowcutt: Yes we are providing off street parking.
Corrie: What's the purpose of the gate.
(Discussion of gate — see tape)
Gary Smith, City Engineer, was sworn by the attorney.
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Eng. Smith: I just wanted to present a map to you that the
Highway District prepared and sent to me that shows the overall
development of the section of land in which this parcel resides.
To give you some idea of how the circulation of the roadways are
laying out there as the property does subdivide. There's been
some concern expressed by several parties and I think I made note
of that in my comments to you but as far as getting from the
existing developed portions of this section that would be the
Willows or Willowbrook comes in from Settlers Village and
Meridian Place Subdivision headed to the west and specifically
this 40 acre parcel that lays right in here just to the east of
the parcel that's being applied for tonight. (Explained on map —
see tape) Concerns expressed about access from Meridian Place
Subdivision, the Willows Subdivision to the west to Meridian Road
and down into Meridian business district. (See tape for further)
Kingsford: Thank you. Anyone else to testify?
Raleigh Hawe, 530 Blue Heron Lane, was sworn by the attorney.
Hawe: It's my opinion that the James Court Road as a private
Street right now should be made a public road. As it is right
now, it's only a 22' wide access with automobiles parking from
time to time along the south side of what appears to half a
street there. The curbs are set in on the south side, the north
side of the street has just a line I guess which bounds the
property on the north. The street width is only 221. The
streets should connect in an east — west direction from
Willowbrook as your Engineer explained. (See tape for further)
Stated 22' access would not provide enough room for emergency
vehicles if needed. (Presented pictures of James Court on Fire)
Further concerns stated about street width and having only one
access available.
Kingsford: Thank you. Anyone else to testify?
Limon Belnap, Attorney for James Court property owners, was sworn
by the attorney.
Belnap: I am here to represent the James Court Property Owners.
Having done my own title search since the letter, I would
acknowledge that there is an easement for ingress and egress
across our property, our parcel being the burdened parcel. The
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parcel being proposed this evening, the benefited parcel. There
is no easement for utilities through that ingress/egress
easement. I'm informed tonight also by our property manager that
he has been contacted by Idaho Power that has informed him that
the electrical box they are proposing to use to feed their
project is 6' outside of the fire access easement into our
property also, so there would have to be an additional
negotiation with the owners of James Court in order to bring
power out of that box. Our concern is that apparently someone
when they deeded this off back in the 709s had the foresight to
reserve themselves an easement. The proposal this evening will
double or possibly triple the burden on that easement. Nothing
is being addressed as to the increased traffic, noise, any type
of barriers along the apartment area. We are concerned about the
safety issue also. If they are going to use a private easement
and extend it to that extent, it would be timely, we believe,
that this Council review all of the factors before it grants the
preliminary plat approval regarding the safety, the maintenance,
sound noise barrier and the safety factors raised by the
gentleman just before myself. It's my understanding that there
has not been real serious negotiation between our owner and the
developer to the east. There's a lot to talk about. We are not
opposed to that necessarily becoming public. (See tape for
further)
Kingsford: Any questions of Mr. Belnap.
Tolsma: You mentioned that your property owners might not be
opposed to that road going public?
Belnap: I think it's inevitable. We are not opposed to
addressing that issue.
Tolsma: This would be just the north side of the road that goes
from Meridian Road back to this other property.
Belnap: Yes.
Riddlemoser: Just in light of the letter that you wrote, is your
position now that there is an access along that north 6011
Belnap: Yes.
Kingsford: Thank you. Anyone else to testify?
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Ron Garvin, 218 James Court Lane, was sworn by the attorney.
Garvin: I am the manager of the James Court Apartments and a
considerable number of the people that live there are very
opposed to having this much additional traffic on the lane there.
There are a lot of children and senior citizens who live in there
and we are a little concerned about the additional traffic.
Riddlemoser: How long have you been connected with James Court
Apartments?
Garvin: Two years.
Riddlemoser: You weren't around at the time that it was
developed fifteen years ago.
Garvin: No I was not there.
Riddlemoser: I'm curious as to why in the development of James
Court that the 60' easement wasn't respected. I mean a row of
fire hydrants right down the middle of the 609.
Garvin: It's my understanding that there's no fire hydrants down
that easement. The fire hydrants are on the ease side of the
complex in the fire lane which is I think a 20' easement.
Riddlemoser: Are there not two or three fire hydrants right down
the south side of the lane, right in the middle there's a row of
fire hydrants that are setting in the middle of that 60'
easement.
(Discussion held on number of hydrants)
Kingsford: Thank you. Anyone else to testify?
Jeff Huber, Representing Dorado Development, 1109 Leadville Ave.,
Boise was sworn by the attorney.
Huber: We have an application pending on the Heimrich property
which is to the north of this private lane that's been discussed.
We're very willing to work with the applicants before you and try
and iron out this entanglement that this private road is
appearing to cause here. I think everyone should participate
equally and work together on this. I think we'd be willing to
help out with some more right of way if that's what was needed.
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Kingsford: Thank you we appreciate that.
Bowcutt: The applicant and myself did talk to Mr. Huber
concerning their proposed development just north of us. The
applicant has indicated that he would be willing to contribute a
portion to basically bring that road up to public road standards
if they would be willing to dedicate additional right of way
there. The problem we have, we do have a 60' easement but the
22' of pavement is clear over on the north side and James Court
Apartments currently has parking, landscaping on the other 381.
We don't have room on basically our current existing easement to
make any expansion of that. If the property to the north were to
agree to dedicate and of course James Court would agree to
dedicate that existing 22' of pavement possibly we could work
something out.
Kingsford: Is that 22' of pavement and then the sidewalk is also
in that easement?
Bowcutt: Yes.
Kingsford: So we'd be talking about a very adequate street
section if we got an equal amount on the other side with sidewalk
and pavement.
Bowcutt: Right. The way the easement is right now is the
pavement comes right up to the edge and then goes over 22' and
then you have your curb, gutter, sidewalk and this is parking
(shown on map).
Kingsford: Thank you. I will now close the public hearing.
The Motion was made by Giesler and seconded by Yerrington to
table this request and get a meeting set up with the affected
three parties and review that prior to next meeting.
Motion Carried: All Yea:
ITEM #7: PUBLIC HEARING: ANNEXATION & ZONING REQUEST, WEST SIDE
BIBLE CHURCH AND DENNIS HICKS:
Kingsford: I will now open the Public Hearing and invite the
owner or his designee to speak first.
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Jim Boyd, 9272 Shalan, Boise, was sworn by the attorney.
Boyd: I'm representing West Side Bible Chapel and Dennis Hicks
on this request for annexation and zoning and on the part of West
Side Bible Church a conditional use. The property that we're
speaking about is east of Meridian on Fairview Ave., known as the
Shoshoni Building. It contains approximately 9.4 acres. West
Side Bible Chapel will purchase the westerly 230' of the 9.4
acres and Mr. Hicks will purchase the balance of the property
which would be approximately the easterly 516.7 feet of the
property. The westerly portion that West Side Bible Chapel is
going to purchase has an existing building on it. It's a 23,850
sq. ft. structure. West Side Bible Chapel will occupy the front
portion of that existing building which will have approximately
6400 square feet that they will occupy. The balance of the
building will continue to be occupied by the same tenants that
are currently there and the same type of uses that have currently
existed over the last few years. In order to fit the current
uses that are in that warehouse, we request the zoning as a CG
zone for the property with the exception of the front 125 feet
which the church will occupy we're requesting a CC zone under
conditional use. What I'm requesting this evening is that the
Council approve the rezone, the annexation and the conditional
use conditioned up the amendment to the Comprehensive Plan.
Kingsford: That is to give some confidence to the Church as
potential buyers to go ahead with that, is that true?
Boyd: Yes.
Kingsford: Anyone else to testify?
Dan Wood, 2119 E. Chateau, was sworn by the attorney.
Wood: How many members are in the church?
Boyd: 50 to 75 people.
Wood: With the portion that you own, how far over does it go to
the west of the Shoshoni building?
Boyd: The Shoshoni building is built pretty close to the
westerly property line. There's about 45 — 50 feet from the west
of the building to the westerly property line.
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Wood: Are there any plans to improve the lot?
Boyd: Yes we intend to pave & landscape.
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Wood: Will the dance studio still be there and are there plans
to improve from the studio out to Dixie Lane?
Boyd: There's another development being approved to the north
which will allow us to be contiguous for annexation.
Wood: I would encourage not only your membership to maybe
landscape it in such a way so it encourages them to go across the
parking lot in front of the church. Will they exit that way or
will they continue to encourage them to use Dixie Lane.
Boyd: There's currently an ingress/egress there on Dixie Lane so
I'm assuming unless there's some restriction that on that side of
the building they would ingress/egress on that west side.
Kingsford: State your objections.
Wood: My concern was where they are asking for a commercial
zoning eventually is what we're getting down to for a portion of
that building, it's definitely going to have more traffic for
that entrance coming in off Dixie Lane. So why not encourage
them to either improve that a little bit better or encourage the
people to go back across the front of the church and go out the
other exit.
Kingsford: Thank you. Anyone else to testify? No response. I
will close the public hearing.
The Motion was made by Giesler and seconded by Tolsma to approve
the Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law on the annexation and
zoning request for the West Side Bible Church with conditional
use permit then conditioned upon the amendment to the
Comprehensive Plan.
Roll Call Vote: Yerrington - Yea; Giesler - Yea; Corrie - Yea;
Tolsma - Yea:
Motion Carried: All Yea:
ITEM #8: PUBLIC HEARING: ANNEXATION & ZONING BY DAVE LEADER:
CHERI MEADOWS SUBDIVISION:
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Kingsford: I will open the public hearing at this time and
invite the owner or representative to speak first.
Pat Tealy, 479 Main St., Boise, was sworn by the attorney.
Tealy: We're a little bit confused on the issue whether this is
for the subdivision or the annexation and zoning. I believe it's
for the annexation and zoning, is that correct?
Kingsford: That is correct.
Tealy: We are asking for this parcel to be annexed at an R-8
zone. I'd like to read the definition of an R-8 Zone: R-8
Medium Residential District, the purpose of the R-8 district is
to permit the establishment of single and two family dwellings at
a density not exceeding 8 dwelling units per acre. What we're
here to discuss is the condition that has been placed on the
annexation that no duplexes/townhouses be allowed in this
development. The reason that the Planning & Zoning indicated
that they didn't want any duplexes or two family dwellings, even
though it's an allowed use in the zone, is that they hadn't
allowed that in the surrounding developments. We feel we're a
little different than the surrounding developments (explained on
map - see tape) We are building a Collector Street up through
our subdivision. Explained on map where townhouses would be
located. Neighborhoods are comprised of more than just single
family development. There should be a mix of use in a
neighborhood. You have to have a little bit of variety to
market. Dixie Lane would be used as an emergency access. Any
questions?
Tolsma: Planning and Zoning had an R-8 designation on the ground
but they did put in there that there were to be no duplexes
allowed. One thing they omitted in there was a 1350 sq. foot
minimum on houses.
Tealy: We don't want a duplex rental type situation, these are
single family private ownership homes. We felt this was the best
way to develop this property, they then did put a condition on
our annexation that no duplexes be allowed.
Kingsford: Since you've got twelve lots there and your talking
about townhouses, it seems to me that if its a single ownership
that you'd need to have then 24 and have those lots called out by
that if your going to have ownership on each side of that.
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Tealy: That's correct. That's our third phase, we would come
back to you with a final plat that would show those twenty four
divided. We have 30+ acres in this development, at 88 units per
acre you have 240 units, we are asking for 127 units. We are
asking you to eliminate that condition on the annexation.
Kingsford: The part that your asking to annex is not the full
parcel that you have on preliminary plat here.
Tealy: That's correct. (Explained on map)
Tolsma: With individual owner townhouses then they would have
to split the lots.
Tealy: Yes, when that phase came back in for development that
plat would show that division.
Tolsma: Then we could really zone this thing with an R-8 with no
townhouses allowed and then apply for a variance to get
townhouses set on those lots.
Kingsford: I'm not sure that you couldn't do that automatically
in an R-8 anyway. If you have single ownership it would probably
meet the square foot requirements.
Crookston: I'd have to look it up and see what the requirements
are. The thing that Mr. Tealy and I have discussed is the duplex
and townhouse and single family idea, the difference between
single family and the other two is that single family requires -
the definition of single family dwelling unit requires open space
on all sides of the structure, so a duplex and a townhouse
basically are kind of in the same realm. They are not single
family dwellings however.
Tealy: What I may suggest is that seeing that the R-8 density
does allow two family dwellings maybe to annex the larger portion
of it as an R-8 with that conditional use on it and let us annex
that culdesac portion strictly at an R-8 which would allow that
type of development. We're not asking for you to take that
condition off the whole development just that culdesac.
Corrie: How many homes in this subdivision as an R-8?
Tealy: We are proposing 113 lots and then the additional twelve
in here because of the townhouses would be 125 units.
Corrie: And the sizes of your homes are going to be what?
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Tealy: I believe Mr. Leader, the owner of the property should
address that.
David Leader, 110 Parkway, Boise, was sworn by the attorney.
Leader: My understand with the R-8 zone is you could have
percentages from 1000 sq. feet up. What we were proposing was
the 1100-1200 sq. ft. would be allowed only in this most
southerly area that backs up to the Shoshoni property. We were
proposing no homes less than 1100 sq. feet in the subdivision
other than in the townhouse culdesac there where we would allow
1000 sq. feet or larger. Again that was part of the reasoning
behind having the townhouses there and you'll notice the duplex
culdesac we have an elongated culdesac with center parking to
allow more parking and landscaping in the center. We have an
entry island on that to try and add some character to that
culdesac. The culdesacs that are furthest to the east here would
be a minimum of 1500 sq. feet. (explained further on map - see
tape) - Again what we're trying to do is get some mix. We would
prefer that this subdivision not be like every other subdivision.
Tolsma: Planning and Zoning mentioned that the minimum square
footage in there, even though they didn't put it in their
Findings, was 1350 square feet with an R-8 zone. As far as an R-
8 zone, I wouldn't approve an R-8 zone if it's not 1350 square
feet. I don't like R-8 zones.
Leader: We have a difference of opinion. I feel that we need
that flexibility to meet needs of buyers. (Further - see tape)
Corrie: I agree with Mr. Tolsma's comments. We've got enough R-
8' s here.
Leader: Explained on map square footages on lots - see tape.
Kingsford: Thank you. Anyone else to testify?
Don Bryan, 2070 N. Locust Grove, was sworn by the attorney.
Bryan: I'm not opposed but have concerns about main feeder
irrigation access. Drew example for Council and explained where
ditch runs. It's my understanding that any ditch adjacent to a
future development must be tiled. The argument that I've heard
from the developer is that it's to far away from the fence to be
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adjacent to and there was some question as to what the definition
of adjacent to is. If this is not tiled, what is my protection
as far as a fence or something to keep the kids and dogs out of
that ditch. Concerned about Dixie Lane — now is time to think of
future of Dixie Lane. (Further — see tape)
Discussion Held — See tape.
Kingsford: Having had one of these problems before with the
ditch, it would be my recommendation that we get participation
out of this property owner to make sure the ditch gets tiled.
Thank you. Anyone else to testify?
Dan Wood, 2119 E. Chateau, was sworn by the attorney.
Wood: The questions I had is with Dixie Lane, is the developer
going to fence along those lots that back up against Dixie Lane?
If they are not I would encourage it. Explained it would be hard
for developer to market those lots if not approved for
townhouses.
Kingsford: How many participants are there down Dixie Lane?
Wood: 5 people and the church's property.
Kingsford: Thank you. Anyone else to testify?
Tealy: There will be no change in Dixie Lane use. We would
propose no access from any of the lots onto Dixie Lane. Only
used as an emergency access. Until that access is no longer
needed we would fence those lots off so there would be no access
to Dixie Lane. We would put a fence 10' away from the property
line until such time as the north portion of that where these
other four users are is developed and then at that time they
would extend their fences.
Discussion on where utilities run on Dixie Lane.
Eng. Smith: Must maintain access to the back of those lots.
Tealy: We will keep it fenced then. To address the irrigation
portion of it, he would always have access available to him. We
do not intend to the that ditch. It's not on our property nor
is it adjacent or contiguous to our property. There is a
development being planned on that portion to the north and we've
seen the plan for it and they are planning on tiling that ditch.
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Yerrington: Did this ditch ever service water to this area?
Tealy: No it didn't. What happens at that headgate we're
talking about is it splits three different ways.
Crookston: If the right of way is not adjacent or contiguous our
ordinances don't apply to it.
Giesler: What will happen to his headgate when the other
property develops?
Kingsford: Can't separate the water from the land, it's got to
be maintained.
Giesler: So that headgate will remain there all the time.
Kingsford: How many people use that?
Bryan: Two.
Kingsford: Thank you. I will close the public hearing.
Discussion Held - see tape.
The Motion was made by Corrie and seconded by Tolsma to approve
the Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law with the addition
that the minimum square footage of the homes will be 1350 sq.
feet minimum.
Roll Call Vote: Yerrington - Yea; Giesler - Yea; Corrie - Yea;
Tolsma - Yea;
Motion Carried: All Yea:
The Motion was made by Giesler and seconded by Yerrington to
instruct attorney to prepare Ordinance for annexation and zoning.
Motion Carried: All Yea:
ITEM #9: DEPARTMENT REPORTS:
Wayne Forrey: Just to remind you that on Friday at 10:00 A.M.,
here at City Hall there will be a progress meeting with the
Contractor and property owners and representatives of the
Downtown Committee on the Phase II Construction.
Kingsford: Thank you.
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Crookston: The City has had a Tort Claim filed against them and
no decision should be made at this time.
Kingsford: Thank you.
Yerrington: Wished Boise State Bronco's good luck!
Tolsma: How are we coming along with our Salvage Yard?
Crookston: Haven't had time to handle yet.
Kingsford: What's the progress with regard to the Cement
Company?
Tolsma: He does have an electrical permit, we found out that it
was under a wrong address. The electrical inspector has
inspected it and everything was okay. The building inspector
still says there is no occupancy on it and he's given a verbal
delay until weather conditions permitting, which he says he will
go out and find out when that's going to be. Idaho Power just
installed poles out there and I have heard that they are planning
on constructing a major building out there and I would like to
ask the Council's support in asking the building inspector to
deny them a building permit until we get this problem resolved,
if he comes forward with an application.
Corrie: I agree with this.
Kingsford: Thank you.
The Motion was made by Corrie and seconded by Yerrington to
adjourn at 10:05 P.M. :
Motion Carried: All Yea:
(TAPE ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS)
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APPROVED:
GRANT P. KINGSFORD, MAYOR
ATTEST:
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ORDINANCE NO. 596
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MERIDIAN ANNEXING AND ZONING CERTAIN
!REAL PROPERTY- WHICH IS DESCRIBED AS •A PORTION OF THE SW 1/4 NW
1/4 OF SECTION 19' T. 3 N.; R. i' E., B.M.', MERIDIAN, ADA COUNTY,
IDAHO -AND PROV•'I DI NG AN EFFECT I VE DATE.
WHEREAS, th•e - City •Co•unci 1 and - the Mayor of the City of
Meridian, Idaho, have concluded that it is in the best interest
of said City' •to annex 'to the s- iid City 'real •pr'operty which is
described in Exhibit "A" attached here to and'incorporated herein
by this reterlence.
NbW, THEREFORE, M 1T ORDAINED by'the Mayor and'City Council
bf the City"of ;Meridian, Ada Cbunty,, Idaho:
9ECT•ION 11: That''' the above reference reale property,
described in Exhibit "A" attached here to and incorporated herein
by this reference, is hereby annexed to the City of Meridian, and
shall �be 'zoned R-4 Residential; that the property shall be
subject to-"' ' site planning review and the Subdivision and
Developoent•' Ordinance; that al l ditches, canals' and' waterways,
'including those that are property boundaries or only partially
located* on the -'-property, • fuus't be cbmpl et el y t•i 1 ed,' including that
.portion not located on the property if "it is a boundary''and if
not so tiled the property shall be subject to de -annexation; that
the pr•o-perty shal-1 be subject to' de -annexation 11 the R-4 density
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'is exceeded or if • dwelling -s other than si'ngl'e family dwellings
are a'llowed'- to -be constructed on the property and' this
restriction'• shall be 'noted- 'on the plat of"the subdivision; that
there'arW '*wet•lands • issues''••and- ground water problems on the
property and these probleas must -be -solved to the satisfaction of
the Meridian City Engineer prior to final platting and if not the
property shal'•1 be' s'ubj ect to de -annexation.
SECTIbN e•: ' That7. the property shall be'subject to de -
annexation if the, owner or his assigrnss, heirs,' or successors does
not meet the requirements above stated and those contained in the
Findings 'of- Fact 'and' -'Conefus-ions . of•'Law ad'opt'ed 'for Applicant's
application, -construct water and sewer line extensions to serve
the property, and construct streets to and within the property;
if Applicant fails to meet these conditions the property shall be
subject to de -annexation, which conditions shall run with land
and also be personal to the owner.
SECTION 3: That the City Clerk shall cause one (1) copy of
the legal description, and map, which shall plainly and clearly
designate the boundaries of said property, to be filed with the
Ada County Recorder, Ada County Assessor, and the State Tax
Commission within ten (10) days following the effective date of
this Ordinance.
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SECTION 4: EFFECTIVE DATE: There being an emergency, which
emergency is hereby declared to exist, this Ordinance shall be in
full force and effect from and after its passage and approval as
required by law.
PASSED by the City Council and approved by the Mayor of the
City of Meridian, Ada County, Idaho., this 16th day of March,
1993.
APPROVED:
ATTEST:
g.'n;
WAYNE F RREY, ITY CLERK
Z�Aj e 24�= I -
'GRANT P. KlNG4gjFD#kl R
ORDINANCE NO. 591
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MERIDIAN ANNEXING AND ZONING CERTAIN
' REAL PROPERTY WHICH IS DESCRIBED AS A PARCEL OF LAND LYING IN A
PORTION OF THE E 1/2 OF THE NE 1/4 OF SECTION 24, TOWNSHIP 3
NORTH, RANGE i WEST, BOISE -MERIDIAN, ADA COUNTY, IDAHO; AND
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
WHEREAS, the Cit y Council and the Mayor of the City of
Meridian, Idaho, have concluded that it is in the best interest
of said City to annex to the said City real property which is
hereinbelow described:
PARCEL A: