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Rountree: I move that we approve Item No. 8, MFP 08-004, with the condition of adding
an additional tree and the condition as just stated by the planning administrator with the
applicant working with ACHD on landscaping and i~rigating and fhat maintaining
ACHD's right of way along the relocated canal and fihe installafion of the detached
sidewalk. i
Bird: Second. i
De Weerd: Okay. I have a motion and a second. Any discussion? Do you need
clarification? ~
Canning: Madam Mayor. Did -- did you just indicate that the applicant is responsible
for constructing fhe detached sidewalk? ~
De Weerd: Yes. That's what I thought you said. ~
Canning: Okay.
De Weerd: Yes. Thank you for the clarification. Okay. Hearing no other aomments,
Madam Clerk, will you, please, call roll? ~~
Roll-Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Bortqn, yea.
De Weerd: Okay. Thank you. All ayes. ;
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MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Item 9: Continued Public Hearing from June 24, 2008: AZ 06-063 Request for
Annexafion and Zoning of 38.68 acres from RUT and R-1 zones to C-G
zones for Waltman Propertv (aka Brownina_ Plaza) by Waltman, LLC -
505, 521, 615 and 675 Waltman Lane: '~„ .
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Item 10: Continued Public Hearing from June 24, 2008: PP 08-001 Request for
Preliminary Plat approval of 52 commercial / office lots and 1 common lot
on 38.21 acres in a proposed GG zoning district for Browninq Plaza (aka
Waltman Property) by SLN Planning, Inc. - 505, 521, 615 and 675 W.
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De Weerd: Okay. Items 9 and 10 are continued public hearings on AZ 06-063 and PP
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Borton: Madam Mayor, I will recuse myself from --
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De Weerd: Okay. This item was continued for specific information requested by
Councilman Rountree to staff's updated staff recommendafions and it is not for the
testimony, as I understand. it, Councit:
Bird: That's right.
Rountree: That was correct, Madam Mayor. We wanted a summation of the comments
and/or conditions and issues and concerns and commitments on fhe part of the
developer done by planning staff and they have submitt ~d fhe July 3rd letter to us and I
think Anna is going to go over that for us. I
Canning: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, I'd :also like to note that you have
received written testimony since our last hearing from Donna Aldridge, so I just wanted
to make sure you were aware of that. It isn't quite visible, is it? Okay. I will try and be
brief, but as we got into this, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, we did realize that
fhere was a lot of confusing and contradicting provisi'ons and just stuff that needed
clarifying, so I'll try and go through it quickly and I will only hit on the ones that I have
comment bullets on. If Council has addifional commenfs, I can go back and get those.
With regard to the existing animals, if's kind of silly, ~ we put in another horse, just
because horses are pack animals, but that's really not~ a big concern to either party I
don't fhink, so -- the applicant shall improve Waltman Lane adjacent the site and off-site
to the end of the split corridor improvements per the half street sections attached in
Exhibit 1. We did want to note that the fire department'~ noted safety concerns that the
proposed half street section does not have enough capacity to accommodate projected
traffic volumes, including people coming through from ~the south end of Linder Road.
And I think tha# the fire department has looked this~ over again and may have a
modification to their initial statement and it's -- I'm getting a nod of the head, so I'll pass
this on.
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Niemeyer: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, today Deputy Chief Silva went over
and met with Anna and planning and clarified that the road width would to be two 12
foot travel lanes and if that is fhe case -- and Anna can confirm that, we are okay with
the street width, then, as far as concerns on that. , ~
De Weerd: Thank you.
Canning: Okay. Now, moving down to -- and that was the only outstanding concern on
that one from staff's point. I think the applicant has some statements regarding that one
as well. Going to Item No. 10. We do have -- we have the statement: However,
construction traffic for fhe purpose of infrastructure, sewer, water, and roads
improvement shall be allowed to use Waltman Lane ; prior to the completion of the
Waltman Lane - Meridian Road - Main Street intersecfion and we just wanted to note
there that the -- the appiicant does need to be a,ble to do those infrastructure
improvements along with the -- at the same time that construction is going on for the
split corridor. So, we put that in there. We couldn't prevent them from ever doing any
construction traffic on Waltman, because that's where ;he utilities need to come from.
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So, that was just a clarification, not an outstanding concern. With regard to number 14,
architectural design elements on the structures shall continue all the way around the
structure, similar to the example provided by the applicant at Target included as Exhibit
2. And my quesfion to City Council was does City Coun~cil want to include reference to
upcoming design guidelines as well. It wasn't mentioned at the hearings, but I just
wanted to provide that for your consideration. Going d:own to number 17. Except for
the potential hotel site at the southwest corner, offices ~shall be constructed along the
west and northwest boundaries of the site as a transitional use to the exisfing residential
uses, unless fhe adjacent uses are changed into nonresi'dential uses. And the applicant
has requested this be replaced by the prohibition of eertain uses listed in provision
number 19 and we will get to that one shortly. So, th;e applicant wants to strike this
comment or provision.
De Weerd: Before you move on, is -- would that be your --
Canning: Our recommendation? No.
De Weerd: -- recommendation?
Canning: No, it would not.
De Weerd: Thank you.
Canning: Conditional Use Permit approval is required for a11 restaurant and retail uses
proposed along the western and northwestern pro:perty boundaries adjacent to
residential units and, again, the applicant requests that'~his portion be stricken out and
that the CUP only be required for sfiructures over 100,000 square feet within a hundred
feet of the residenfiial district. And, again, you know, I guess staff's opinion was, even
fhough those folks along that western boundary didn't participate much in the hearings,
that putting a 100,000 square foot building up against that residential buffer, even with
listed prohibition of uses, fhat's just a big building and I think that it should require -- you
know, if it's 99,000 square feet, that's still a really big building. I mean we were talking
during the hearing process of much smaller buildings o4n the lines of 10,000 and less.
So, I think that that's a big change. So, we are not reco,mmending approval of that one
either. Residential uses approved through the CUP' process along the north and
northwest boundaries of the site are not allowed to have outdoor seating areas within a
hundred feet of the residential property, unless the atljacent uses are changed into
nonresidential uses. And this condition seemed to have lost its meaning through the
multiple concept plans, so staff reworded it to try and meet the original intent. We kind
-- we kind of worked with the applicant on this one and thought they were in agreement,
but fhey would like to see this one modified as well. What we did on a number of these
coming up, you will see that they say for concept plani~ one, so we tried to distinguish
between the two concept plans here. So, for concept plan one, all structures along the
west and northwest property boundaries adjacent to existing residences, shall be limited
in height to two stories and shall have a minimum setback of 25 feet adjacent to the
existing residences, unless the adjacent uses are changed into nonresidential, with the
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exception of the proposed hotel. If the hotel is built at the southwest, as depicted on the
concept plan, the 25 foot setback -- and I'm not going to go through the rest of that, but
it, basically, keeps what was in fihe concept plan one a;nd, then, for concept plan two,
appropriate setbacks will be determined at the public hearing for the preliminary plats
and condifions will be placed on the plats accordingly,~ No development agreement
modification shall be necessary. And the applicant pro~poses that this requirement be
replaced with provision number 21 above. So, 21 is the CUP for 100,000 square feet.
So, really, all the -- the kind of protecfions for the neighborhood with regard to concept
plan one, the applicant's asking to go back to just the requirement for the CU for
100,000 square feet or more or within a hundred feet of 'a residential district. And, then,
number 25, for concept plan one, no rear loading areas, delivering areas, trash areas,
or infirusive lighting shall be permitted adjacent to exisfing residences. And, again, the
applicant proposes this to be stricken in lieu of the pe~rimeter wall required along the
boundary. And that's number 32. We did go back and~~ look at both concept plans and
we recommended cutting down the minimum numbe~ of buildings to ten. Staff is
proposing that this change be consistent wifh both concept plans. If the applicant --
number 35. If the applicant chooses to develop consistent with concept plan one,
constructs a maximum of five access points to Corporate Drive as shown on the
concept plan number one, unless the development ;agreement is modified by the
developer once actual users are identified. Then, if th'e applicant chooses to develop
consistent with concept plan number finro, appropriate access points shall be determined
at the public hearing for fihe preliminary plat. And, again, the fire department noted
safety concerns that all intersections should have a 90 degree approach to improve
visibility for all vehicles and that's because concept plan number two shows some odd
intersections, but we can address those when they have a more finalized idea of what
the road layout will be. So, I think that, you know, the fire department was right in
raising that concern, but I think that we get that straightened out through the normal
process. And that's all we have for now. I know that~the applicant does have -- has
provided a comment letter that goes through a number'of these one by one. I can -- I'll
leave this up, so you can see it as he goes through his rebuttal. Can I answer any
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De Weerd: Council, any questions?
Canning: -- of Mayor and Council?
Bird: I have none.
De Weerd: I guess, Council, I have a question for you. '
Rountree: No questions.
Bird: I have none.
De Weerd: I know staff's continued to refer to rebuttal~ but I didn't know that this was
only kept open for this particular report, so do you want `ebuttal?
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Rountree: Madam Mayor, my preference would not -- if we are not going to move
forward with this, we don't need rebuttal. If we are going to move forward with this, I
believe what we have in the report would be the basis for any favorable vote. So, I don't
-- I'm not inclined to change it. ;
Nary: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Nary.
Nary: Madam Mayor, Members of fihe Council, I thought my recollection was that you
would ask for Mrs. Canning to basically incapsulize all of the points that had been
previously made and that fhis new report, then, was ~prepared with those amended
changes. I think it's incumbent to allow the application ~the ability to rebut. They have
filed a written letter, so I don't know if you need additional testimony to that, but I think
they do -- are entitled to at least be able to put their comments on the record that are in
opposition to this new report, because there is some ~different information that they,
obviously, disagree with. So, if you think they are sufficient with the written, that's fine.
Otherwise, I do think they are entitled to at least put that on the record.
De Weerd: Thanks for clarifying that.
Rountree: Okay.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I would not disagree with what they have got. If'ithey want to testify, that's fine.
But we kept -- we continued this public hearing strictly for this one deal, but being the
applicant, they should get rebuttai time if they want it.
De Weerd: So, you want additional information to the ietter?
Canning: Madam Mayor --
Bird: A copy of their letter -- Madam Mayor, if they want to, if they feel the need to
testify, I have no problem with that, but if -- I don't need if~.
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De Weerd: Okay. Mrs. Canning. I
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Canning: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, there'~is -- the applicant has provided
a number of comments that are basically new information. If -- if there is a split in
Council regarding whether or not they want additional testimony, you could just limit it to
-- based on these items, rather than bringing up new suggestions or new standards.
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De Weerd: Well, if they bring new information, I'll have to open it up to all public
comment. So -- and, Council, you can't split, so -- there ~s three of you. So, what would
you like to do? I have heard from one. He would like to hear comments from the
applicant in the form of rebuttaL ~
Rountree: And one that said no.
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De Weerd: One that said no and so it's up to Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: I felt that the purpose of our asking for the continuation was to see in writing
many of fhe things that we discussed about and to cla:rify for us and for the applicant
what our answers to some of those questions were. I think the clarification is for the
benefit of the applicant, as well as for us, and I think it would be fair for the applicant to
address those, limiting his testimony to only those subjects, not supplying any new
information. ~
De Weerd: Okay. So, I would invite the applicant to, please, provide that rebuttal, but if
you do enter -- if you do interject new information, I will open up the public hearing for
additional public comment, then. ~
Nickel: Madam Mayor, thank you. Shawn Nickel, 6223 North Discovery Way, Suite
200, in Boise.
De Weerd: Thank you.
Nickel: Representing the applicant. It was my recollect~on that you were going to allow
us the ability to speak. I think Council Member Rountree's comments were to make
sure we were not accepting -- or not accepting conditions that we couldn't live with,
otherwise why -- why approve the annexation if if's sornething that we are not going to
go forward with that. It was my recollection was that we wanted to have that ability, so I
appreciate that. .
De Weerd: And you do not have the ability, but if you entertain -- if you enter in new
information, I will open this up again.
Nickel: Okay. And I'll just leave that up to you as to whether I'm giving new information.
I'm going to go through specifically fhe conditions that are proposed by staff based on
our past meetings and what brought us to this point. So, I hope I can do that. Madam
Mayor, Council, there are 37 conditions proposed by staff, of which ten of those we
would like some clarification or modification on. Beginning with condition number three,
fhe developer -- fhe developer that this applicant is working with, that has spoke in the
past, may very well come back and construct this as a. shopping center and may very
well build the secfion of Waltman Lane from our eastern boundary to the new
intersection. However, in the event that this center ~does not go with that second
concept plan and is developed lot by lot and building by building, as is indicated in the
first concept plan that we originally approved and becau~~se of the anficipated traffic that
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has been analyzed and condifioned by ACHD not to require these up front
improvements on Waltman, we would like to propose a triggering mechanism for that --
fhose improvements to Waltman to allow up to 150,OOq square feet or -- make sure I
phrase this right -- to allow 150,000 square feet of office and retail ~before the -- before
fhat triggers the Waltman ~improvements on that one stretch or if a big box comes in with
that first phase or any phases, that would trigger that Waltman improvement. In other
words, ACHD is not requiring -- based on the veh'icle trips that we have been
conditioned through ACHD, those are in place and have been recognized by this body,
without fhat section of Waltman being constructed.
De Weerd: So, you wouldn't do any improvements on~ Waltman until 150,OOD square
feet? ,
Nickel: That's what we are proposing or until a big box -- or if the big box is -- of any
size is proposed in that first phase. ,
Zaremba: Madam Mayor, that isn't the way I understoo i the previous discussion.
De Weerd: That's new information. I haven't heard fhatF comment, so --
Nickel: So, we have testified at the last two or three meetings that we understand that
fhat -- at some point Waltman is going to have to be~lbuilt, but it's not a condition of
approval with ACHD. In other words, our traffic analysis and their traffic analysis has a
set point where the second access to Corporate has; to be built and fihat is what is
conditioned and so -- ;
De Weerd: I guess -- ;
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Nickel: I guess what we are concerned about is we come in with our first building and
it's 10,000 square feet and it's a dentist office and it's built off of Waltman Lane. In order
to build that one denfiist office we have to const~uct the entire Waltman Lane
improvement. So, that's our concern is that we got to have some firiggering point where
it's feasible for fhe developer to build Waltman Lane~ up front and have the square
footage needed -- necessary to make the project work. ~So, I don't know if fhat's --
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Rountree: I don't need to hear anymore, I'm -- ~
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De Weerd: I guess I remember a conversation about Corporate, but not about
Waltman. So, I must have zoned that part out.
Nickel: 1 guess -- I mean -- and to clarify, we are not talking about our on-site
improvements, we are strictly talking about fhe eastern boundary of our property to the
new intersection, so fhat the -- that off-site section of W'altman.
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Zaremba: Madam Mayor, I have to say again, I don't remember anything that triggered
in my mind that that was not going to happen before the first building was built. I realize
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Corporate discussion was triggered at some time later, but the existing Waltman is
challenged with the traffic of just fhe few people that live fhere right now.
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Nickel: Okay. So, that's -- that's regarding number fhree and I guess I'll continue.
Condition number seven. The applicant -- condition number seven talks about the no
building permits being issued for buildings with -- no building permits being issued until
the consfiruction~ of the split corridor -- the intersection of Waltman, Meridian Road, and
Main. And what the applicant is proposing is the ability~~of -- the building permit for the
first phase of development sometime dur.ing the construction of fhe split corridor. No
certificate of occupancy will be issued until completion of the corridor. This will allow a
big box development to begin construction immediately, rather than delaying
development of the property an additional year -- or up to an additional year if building
permits were pulled after fhe corridor is built. Any clarification on that one? No?
Condition number ten, which also talks about the phasing and the construction -- the
construction traffic as the split corridor is being constructed, if you decide to modify
aondifion number seven, condition number ten would also need to be reflected in that.
On condition number 17 -- and staff brought up this one;. it currently states: Except for
the potential hotel site at the southwest corner, offices~ shall be constructed along the
west and northwest boundaries of the site as a firansition~al use to the existing residential
uses and we would iike that one -- that one stricken in favor of condition 19, which
prohibits the specific uses that we have talked about ini~the past, including the drinking
establishments, fuel sale facilities, truck stops, and vehicle washing facilities. Condition
number 18. Also we'd like that to be stricken. We `feel that fhat is addressed in
condition number 21, which states all structures proposed on the site over 100,000
square feet that are within 100 feet of the residentia'I district or use shall obtain a
Conditional Use Permit. So, condition 18 as proposed to you requires a Conditional
Use Permit for all restaurants and retail uses prop~osed along the western and
northwestern boundary. And, again, that was one reason we were proposing the wall
and the extended buffer, landscaping, berm was to ~'provide buffering along those
boundaries. So, we could have uses ofiher than sfirictlyl office. And, again, uses in the
GG zone that require a Conditional Use Permit we will, obviously, get a Conditional
Use Permit for those uses. Condition number 22 would!~ state -- as it's proposed to you:
Restaurant uses approved through Conditional Use Permit and we would like that
Condifional Use Permit approvai removed from the c;ondition. We believe that fhe
restaurant uses, wifh the exception of the drive-thrus, are prohibited, should be allowed
along the west and northwest boundaries, again, with those -- with those elements that
we put in place, the wall, the buffering, the hours of operation and all that. Would you
like me to continue? Condifion number 23 is just a clarification, understanding that the
normal or standard business hours would not limit sto~es from having special holiday
one day sales, et cetera. Condition number 25, again, `s just a clarification and it talks
about no rear loading areas, delivery areas, trash areas, obtrusive lighting, shall be
permitted adjacent to existing residences on fhe west end -- fhought we said
northwestern boundaries adjacent to -- adjacent to the residential uses. We'd like that
clarified that that is northwest on that condition propo:sal of number 25. Two more.
Condition number 30, since this is a platted subdivision with individuals uses on each
lot, the applicant would request the same wording conskstent with condition number 32
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regarding landscaping improvements being constructed along the interstate prior to
occupancy of the adjacent building. Staff is requesting that fhe entire landscaping area
on the south boundary be built prior to occupancy of the ifirst use, since this is a plat and
there is going to be multiple uses and multiple lots, you'd like those lots and those
developments to be responsible for building that portion:~of the landscaping. Obviously,
we would have a revised or the adopted landscape plan that will follow for consistency.
And, lastly, condition number 32, regarding the proposed masonry wall on the west and
northwest boundary, the applicant would like to substitut;e a wall -- substitute the wall for
a six foot closed vision fence with a 25 foot landscape b~`uffer if the uses adjacent to the
residential developments are developed as L-O or office uses. So, again, we are
building the wail, the extra buffering, the extra landscaping, berm, for the more
intensified uses that we are proposing -- or were wanting to propose or wanting to have
in there, like the restaurants, like the retail. If it just develops as office, we would like the
wall replaced with six foot solid fencing. That's it. I will s~and for questions.
De Weerd: Council, any questions?
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: On your item 32, wanting a closed -- closed vision fence if it's L-O, so the
first development that goes in there is L-O and you sta~rt wifh a vinyl fence and, then,
you have finro restaurants, it seems to me that it's a case`where you design for the worst
case if you're going to do it, you're not going to have vinyl and masonry block and picket
fence and masonry block and vinyl, so --
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Nickel: I'll leave that -- I'll leave that to -- to this body, if~ you want -- if you would like to
be -- for it to be consistent, that's fine.
De Weerd: Any further questions?
Bird: I have none.
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De Weerd: Now, Council, it seems to be Councilman Zaremba and I's opinion fhat we
heard a new comment. It opens up for a public comment and so I-- unless I hear
opposition, I will do so. ',~
Bird: Thafs your call.
De Weerd: Okay. Thank you. Okay. I would open this up for public comment based
on any comments heard tonight. Yes, sir. Just new information.
Nary: Sir, if you want to just use the mike -- you can scoot up, you don't have to stand
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Cope: I can get up here. Appreciate speaking tonight, although it causes me
considerable pain and suffering to get here, I wanted to speak with you again. My name
is Duane Cope. I believe some of you may know the name. I have written repeatedly
with comments about this Browning Subdivision going ~on -- this Browning conduct in
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De Weerd: Mr. Cope, could we also have your address as well, please.
Cope: My address 335 Waltman Lane.
De Weerd: Thank you. ~
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Cope: It's on this letter and you will also have it in your desk in the letter, so --
De Weerd: Yes, we do.
Cope: But if you want to know, 335. I have been fihere ~about 33, 34 years, so -- at any
rate, you folks have had several documents from me. I~~ reiterate those documents here
tonight, which I will give you copies of. I also want to say that as far as his putting
somefhing in on the west -- or, excuse me -- yeah, west end, feel free to annex it. In
fact, I'd like to see it annexed, because of the amount of criminality that has been going
on down there in terms of drugs, in terms of poaching the upland game birds and water
fowl. In fact, there is one nut case down there that's~~been bragging about poaching
upland game and water fowl. He will be, I assure you, meeting Fish and Game. I
promise that. Okay. Did the police officer get a copy of this? Can you give him a copy
as well, since I have filed a complaint against the Meridian police department. Okay.
So, you have copies. Feel free to read it at your leisure. Again, I reiterate go ahead
next it. Go ahead and make it into the city. Take your money. Why not. You have
been taking it from me for 24 years for nothing. I mean~`nothing. In fact, even my trash
is not city. My trash is the 99 account. So, no, you're,~ not even providing trash to me.
No water. No police. Not nothing. It will not happen, ladies and gentlemen, and I
assure you of this, you're not going to take my well out. I put in three wells. Last one
was a year ago. Don't even think about it. Now, with all due respect, I thank you folks
very much for your time and your attention. Please go onward with your buffoonery.
De Weerd: Thank you. Additional comments?
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Haddock: My name is Christie Haddock. I live at 650 Waltman Lane.
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De Weerd: Thank you.
Haddock: I am just concerned about not improving VValtman. How am I going to get
out of my driveway? I'm right across the street from this. And that's, I guess, my big
concern. Five kids. How am I going to get out of my driveway? And -- and I know
ACHD's number, I have had to call when we couldn't get off the lane because they were
blocking it. So, if we have to call them or, hea~en forbid, the Meridian Police
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Department, but I'm just concerned about how it's all going to function without roads
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De Weerd: Thank you. Okay. Is fhere any further testimony? Yes, ma'am.
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Aldridge: My name is Donna Aldridge and I live at 365 V1/altman Lane. I have attended
all the meetings and I don't understand the developer --
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Nary: Can you pull the mike down a little, ma'am. ~
De Weerd: Can you pull that a little closer to you?
Aldridge: I don't know why the developers have tried to get something through. They
are opening up a can of worms and I wrote -- you know, you got a letter from me --
when they opened that road up about 20, 25 years ago, you know, it was a disaster.
We had to have the police there. I had to have -- they wouldn't even let me have a--
fhey have no consideration, people don't. And it was a t~otal mess and now fihey want to
open up another can of worms, so we can't even get out; of our driveway. It's a peaceful
lane. I don't know why they don't just leave us alone. If they want to put in a frontage
road in the back where fhere is no people on Johnson's Lane, that would be just perfect,
because there is going to be a lot of developers back there, like Sesco, they are going
to want to come forward, too, with something when -- ~if you guys get a development
through. So, why don't these guys all get together and ,leave Waltman Lane alone and
the residents of Waltman Lane, and let us live in pea~ce and if they want to get this
development through, they don't want to do what they should do, that they shouldn't be
able to get it fhrough.
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De Weerd: Thank you. Okay. I'm sorry, sir. We would need you on the public record,
so -- okay. Would fhe applicant like their final remarks?;
Canning: Madam Mayor, before Shawn gets up there, did you want me to comment on
Shawn's revisions at all? I can if you want me to. That's --
Rountree: Sure.
De Weerd: You probably should before his remarks.
Canning: With regard to the condifiion number three --;,sorry. Staff was not in favor of
the -- not doing Waltman at the beginning. We do believe it's necessary for a lot of the
reasons you have heard from the public tonight, that it, is a substandard road and the
fire and safety concerns as well. With regard to number seven, we don't feel it's
appropriate for the applicant to be able pull a building permit until the construction traffic
is -- until the split corridor intersection improvements are done. We feel that the
construcfiion traffic would jwst overwhelm that intersection while they are trying to work
on it. It is going to be difficult for the residents to get in and out of there already. Having
that additional complicating fihose movements would be -- we don't think it would be
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appropriate. And that would reflect item number ten as well. With regard to number 17,
I think I stated this as I went through our conditions the first time. I do think it's
appropriate to leave some of those restrictions in place f.,or those western properties and
northwestern. With regard to -- that was 17 and 18: With regard to number 22, I
understand now that what the applicant means is that re'staurant uses approved through
the CUP process -- because they were no longer p'roposing the CUP process for
restaurants, that's all they wanted stricken from that, I b,elieve. Not the rest of it. And I
think that regardless -- that would be okay. So, it just ,says restaurant uses along the
north and northwest boundaries, that's sfill is the intent of the -- the provision, the DA
provision. With regard to number 25, they just wanted to clarify that it was the north and
northwest property boundaries and, again, we did try to make that change universally.
We missed that one. We tried to change all the west a.! d northwestern. So, we are in
favor of that one:
De Weerd: Anna, you skipped over 23.
Canning: I'm sorry.
Rountree: Same thing.
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Canning: And we put the word standard in there to imply that. So, that's fine. That's
what we meant by that, that they didn't want to have their Christmas days -- or their
Thanksgiving day sale -- the day after Thanksgiving. That's what it is. Have to -- not be
able to do that because of the time restriction and I think that most people know that if
they have a retail business fhat there is a couple times~ a year when they open early.
So, I wasn't opposed to that. Aatually, I think we added that. That was our
understanding. Okay. Now you come down to 30. Q'n street buffers we do typically
require that with the plat approval, if it's anything other tfian a local street. So, we would
look to see that 50 feet of landscaping done at the time of plat approval. With regard to
item number 32, I think that Council Member Rountree hit the nail on the head with that
one. Even though they may only propose an office use, because it's zoned C-G, that
could transition to more intense uses over time, so I think we need to either zone that
property up against the western boundary for L-O and, then, they could do a lesser
fence, or they should do the masonry wall with the C-G zoning. And I think that that's
been a very consistent move by Council on a number of annexations or development
proposals that are C-G next to residential. And I believefhat was it.
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De Weerd: Okay. Council, if there is no questions for,i Anna, I'll ask the applicant for
wrap-up remarks.
Nickel; Thanks, Madam Mayor. Again, for the record, Shawn Nickel. Okay. So, let's
try this again. With regards to condition number three'~- and that seems like the one
that everyone kind of rolled their eyes at me over -- and staff did clarify and I just want
to get this on the record, that from the very beginning it was not a condition of approval
from staff, from ACHD, from Planning and Zoning Commission. It started -- it started at
Council and fhe first time we heard it as a recommended condition of approval was finro
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weeks ago when Council Member Rountree said he wanted that -- he wanted us to
come back with that as a condition of approval. Und:erstanding the -- I guess new
safety concerns that have been brought to light with the fire department and their need
for those -- those two lanes -- and, by the way, you guys all rolled your eyes at me. I'll
retract that -- that request and we will make that -- and we will accept fhat as a condition
of approval for the Waltman extension off site. We are~~ doing all the improvements on
site, all the Waltman, the Ruddy's and all that, we ha~e to condition for Corporate at
8,000 vehicle trips per day, so may as well just finish off~ the rest of the outside street
and extend the Waltman from the eastern boundary to the new intersection. With that,
though, we would -- we would really like to push for the allowance of that building permit
at the time of construcfion to get that big box, if that's what's going to go in there, going
prior to -- or -- yeah. Prior to completion of that interse ~tion. There is already going to
be construcfion traffic on Waltman to rebuild it. We would like that allowance for that --
understanding that no certificate of occupancy is going to°~be issued until the intersection
is complete, we still are not -- we don't want to lose an additional year and potentially a
user if they can't come in and get started on that. They are not, obviously, going to take
the risk of starting knowing that they can't get the completion until the intersection is
completed. But we understand that once ACHD starts that project, they are not going to
-- they are not going to stop midway through. So, I think that's a safe bet on that -- on
that developer's part. We'd like to keep condition sevenqas I-- as I have proposed. And
with the modification of condition number ten to reflectf that as well. I believe staff -- I
can't remember if staff had agreed to strike condition number 17 and 18, in lieu of those
other conditions.
Canning: No, sir.
Nickel: Neither one?
Canning: Huh-uh. '
Nickel: Okay. Again, we would -- we believe that -- I guess moving -- I guess moving
down -- if I can find it. Sorry. Condition number 32 where I-- where I was trying to
modify the wall. If we are -- if we are agreeing to -- fo~r consistency sake, to build that
wall along the entire boundary -- western boundary, with the understanding that we are
doing that to try to provide transition and noise barrier,'~ and buffering to those uses on
the western boundary, that condition 17 and 18 should recognize that we should -- we
should have those uses allowed along that boundary as permitted uses of retail and the
restaurants without going through an additional Condifional Use Permit process. And,
then, jumping back up real fast, I believe that was -- staff had recognized the hours of
operation and clarified that. And staff had also clarified condition number 25 about that
being the northwest corner. And we are fine wifh condition number -- we understand
and will accept condition number 30 to build the buffer~along the entire south boundary
along the freeway as part of that first permit. I guess ~he condition that we are asking
for your help tonight is conditions number seven, ten, 1-7 and 18. Ten we are agreeable
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De Weerd: Okay. Council, any questions?
Rountree: I have none.
De Weerd: Okay. Thank you.
Nickel: Thanks.
De Weerd: Okay. Council, if there is no further quest;ions for staff or the applicant, I
would enter a motion to close the public hearing.
Rountree: So moved.
Bird: Second.
De Weerd: Okay. I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing on these
two items. All those in favor say aye. All ayes. Motion carries.
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De Weerd: Okay. Discussion?
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: I would like to thank the staff for what was a monumental effort in organizing
and clarifying discussion on a lot of subjects. I am agreeing with staff in the necessity to
keep many of these elements in. The few things that Anna mentioned that she agreed
with, I could support agreeing, if the other things I would like to see stay as staff
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De Weerd: Okay. Thank you. Any other comments from Council?
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Rountree: Madam Mayor, I'd second Councilman Zaremba's comments about staff.
They did a great job of pulling this together and compliment the applicant as well and
with few exceptions generally agreeing to what's been dis~cussed. So, with that --
Canning: Madam Mayor, while Council Member Rountree is pausing, I would ask that
on -- if he's pausing to make a motion, that on item !number 14 when I asked the
comments does City Council want to include reference to upcoming design guidelines,
there was head nodes, but if someone could articulate that in a motion, if so desired,
that would be helpful. !
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De Weerd: You mean nodding heads is not enough? ;
Rountree: You're lucky you got that. Madam Mayor? ,.
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: I will propose a motion. I move that we approve the annexation for item
nine, AZ 06-063, with the conditions as outlined in the istaff report. With reference to
comment 14, fhere would be mention of the future design guides fhat are in draft form at
this point with the City of Meridian. That items 23 and~ 25 be -- in the staff report be
amended to reflect the concerns of the applicant and ,have that be the basis for the
finding in the development agreement to enter into with this annexation.
Zaremba: Second.
De Weerd: Okay. I have a motion and a second. Any d~ cussion?
Canning: Madam Mayor? ~
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De Weerd: Yes.
Canning: I believe the discussion was with regard to item number 22, taking out the
phrase: Through CUP process. Rather than item number 23. •
Zaremba; Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: Even thou h it a ~
g ppears that fhere may be some places where we have said
the same thing in different ways, I don't mind leaving those in as stated. Part of the
issue that we have learned to deal with is that we have an applicant that we can stand
here or sit here and make agreement with and -- and we~know how we have agreed to
interpret whafs in writing, But we have been bit a few times by property that has been
subsequently sold to somebody else who didn't have that interpretation. And I would --
even if it's redundant, I would rather leave the wording 'in, then, take it out. Personal
opinion. ~
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Rountree: So, Madam Mayor, I would amend my motion to include that change in item
22 and I suspect the second will agree with that amendm ~nt.
Zaremba: Second will agree.
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Bird: Yeah. That's just -- I thought the mofion was made to include all of staff report.
That's what I was going to vote on. I didn't know we deleted anything out of the staff
report.
De Weerd: No. You just agreed with the applicant on a couple of things.
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Bird: That staff report, what she publicly testified. ~
De Weerd: That's -- you're correct.
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Rountree: So, my amendment would be in agreement with the amending item 22 per
discussion with the planning administrator.
Canning: Okay. So -- i
Zaremba: And I have would left it alone, but I'm agreeing with fhe maker of the motion.
Canning: That's what I was confused about. Okay. And so, Madam Mayor, Members
of fhe Council, I'm sorry, Council Member Rountree, did you want the change 23 to
state something or was -- ~ ;
Rountree: The change to 23 was the change fhat was --
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Canning: Already done.
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Canning: Okay. I
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De Weerd: Okay. Any other questions? Seeing none, Madam Clerk, will you, please,
call roll on this item.
Roll-Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Borton, absent.
MOTION CARRI'ED: THREE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
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De Weerd: Okay. Item 10 on the preliminary plat. '
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
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De Weerd: Yes, Mr. Rountree.
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Rountree: I move that we approve I:tem No. 10, preliminary plat PP 08-001, subject to
comments received through the hearing process, staff s comments, and commitments
on the part of the developer. ;
Bird: What option?
Zaremba: I didn't hear Mr. Bird. Did you second that? ~
Bird: I said what -- no. I said what option.
Zaremba; Oh.
Rounfiree: The one that the -- the option was before us as option one. Option two is
condifioned in the annexafion that it has to be another public hearing.
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Bird: Thaf's right. ~ .
Zaremba: I will second that.
De Weerd: Okay. I have a motion and a second to approve Item 10 with the
description as noted. Any discussion? Hearing none, Madam Clerk, roll call.
Roll-Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Borton, absent.
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MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. ONE ABSENT. '
Item 11: Public Hearing: PP 08-004 Request for a Preliminary Plat with 6
residential building lots and 1 commo4n lot in an R-8 zone on
approximately 4.7 acres for Maxfield Subdivision by Cottage Investors,
LLC - 3295 E. Falcon Drive: ~
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Item 12: Public Hearing: CUP 08-008 Request for Conditional Use Permit
approval consisting of Assisted Living Facilifies containing 5 buildings with
15 beds in an R-8 zone for the proposed Maxfield Subdivision by
Cottage Investors, LLC - 3295 E. Falcon Dr~ve:
De Weerd: If someone would, please, let Councilman Borton know. Okay. Item 11 is a
public hearing on PP 08-004 and Item 12, public hearing on CUP 08-008. I will open
these two public hearings with staff comments. You may want to take a moment so
Councilman Borton can --
Rountree: Watching a game or something.
Bird: I was going to say, is he getting away.