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HomeMy WebLinkAboutJune 24, 2008 C/C MinutesMeridian City Council June 24, 2008 Page 19 of 60 Canning: Thank you, Mayor. De Weerd: You're welcome. Rountree: Sorry I brought the subject up. Zaremba: Madam Mayor? De Weerd: Yes, Mr. Zaremba. Zaremba: I would be happy to be one of those signing the letter. I would only -- probably under the copy sent to, as a courtesy I would send a copy to Ada County Commissioner Fred Tilman. Rountree: Definitely. De Weerd: As chair and also as the commissioner present at -- when we thought we decided on these lines. Zaremba: That's what I was thinking. De Weerd: Okay. Okay. Any other comments or additions to the letter? Okay. Robert, if we could go ahead and print it up, we can have Council sign it as -- before they leave tonight. Okay. Okay. Nothing further on fhat item, Council? Okay. Okay. Thank you, Anna. And thank Pete for putting that together. Item 7: Items Moved from Consent Agenda: De Weerd: Okay. There were no items moved from the Consent Agenda. Item 8: Continued Public Hearing from June 17, 2008: AZ 06-063 Request for Annexation and Zoning of 38.68 acres from RUT and R-1 zones to C-G zones for Waltman Propertv (aka Brownina Plaza) by Waltman, LLC - 505, 521, 615 and 675 Waltman Lane: Item 9: Continued Public Hearing from June 17, 2008: PP 08-001 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 52 commercial / office lots and 1 common lot on 38.21 acres in a proposed C-G zoning district for Brownina Plaza (aka Waltman Propertv) by SLN Planning, Inc. - 505, 521, 615 and 675 W. Waltman Lane: De Weerd: Item No. 8 and 9 are continued public hearings from June 17th on AZ 06- 063 and PP 08-011 -- or 001. Meridian City Council June 24, 2008 Page 20 of 60 Canning: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, you heard this last week, so I'm not going to go through much of a review for you. I did want to show you some new exhibits that the applicant has provided, so that, one, you know what we have and he knows what we have. This is a reVised concept plan. Here were finro ofher versions of that that they sent to us. Some typical street sections. I think fhis is what they are proposing, along with the big box. i4nd fhat was it. And you have also received a letter from Ms. Little regarding the ACHD traffic study and what was reviewed for the split corridor study and all the information related to traffic coming in and out of the adjoining neighborhood to fihe west as well. With that I would recommend that you allow those individuals to speak and I can answer any questions you have. I haven't done anything with regard to fhis, other than put the exhibits in the presentation for you tonight. De Weerd: Well, I guess since the majority of the questions were responded to by Ms. Little, I would love her to come up under the staff section and give us a summary in English. You know, I looked at that letter and I really tried hard to -- to not fall asleep or -- if you will just give us a reader's digest summary of your letter. Rountree: Madam Mayor? De Weerd: Yes. Rountree: Before Christie starts, I just wanted to thank her for the efforts she put into it and I did understand it and it did answer the questions I asked. De Weerd: Well, I'm glad you did. Rountree: And I knew she could do it, just needed another week. Thank you. Zaremba: Madam Mayor, I would add that I found it very helpful and thank you for doing that. Bird: And I'll say amen to that. De Weerd: Okay. Everyone but me. Little: Madam Mayor, Council Members, Christie Little representing Ada County Highway District at 3775 North Adams Street in Garden City. And I do have to say that I don't understand it all either and this was composed with a lot of help from our traffic engineer, so -- so, I will just kind of summarize the key points fhat were raised last week at fhe Council meeting. I know one of the concerns had to do with when we were designing the split corridor and the intersection of Waltman, Main, and Meridian, what did we assume for development of this particular area and it was assume through the traffic study that was conducted by Six Mile Engineering, starting back in 2006 and working with fihe city and ACHD and other project team members, that the demographics would be similar to that of the west side where there is Home Depot and WinCo and other big box stores. So, the dernographics were altered with the TAV to Meridian Gity Council June 24, 2008 Page 21 of 60 match that type of commercial intensity for development. So, this was planned for in the design of the split corridor. One of Councilmember Rountree's concerns had to do with level of service at the intersection, ~specifically the capacity of the intersection, and the numbers really are quite high as far as what that capacity is and from the traffic study it indicates that traffic from this proposed development will be accommodated by this design. Again, this intersection is to be constructed beginning in February of '09. So, that informafion was added in there as well. And, then, perhaps some of the biggest questions and question marks have to do with this connection to the stub street and residential subdivision to the west and we talked about the traffic engineer's estimate, Pat Dolby that was hired by the applicant. Our traffic engineer and I sat down and looked at this again and it really is difficult to quantify, but fhe end result was even if there is a significant amount of traffic from the residential subdivision out to Meridian Road and the Waltman intersection, it -- Waltman will still be well under the threshold for the need for five lanes. So, we did examine the five lane need and potential. The traffic study report that was conducted by Six Mile also examined fhat and that report indicates that because Waltman doesn't extend straight through to Linder, it's really not feasible to have that as a five lane roadway. And, again, perhaps something I didn't communicate well last week was that when the corporate drive extension is connected south to Waltman, that will provide another access and another means of traffic distribution in the area. So, hopefully, I answered all of your questions and I apologize that it wasn't maybe in plain English, but I think I hit everything. De Weerd: Well, now that you summarized it, I think I understood more than I thought. If you can also perhaps summarize when -- when is it recommended by ACHD to have a connection to Corporate? Little: Madam Mayor, Council Members, the ACHD requirement for the preliminary plat states that after the site generates 8,000 vehicle trips per day, the extension to Corporate Drive has to be constructed before anymore building permits can be issued. De Weerd: So, how are those trips per day measured? Little: We had part of this discussion last week, is it based on square footage or is it based on ACHD trips and we didn't go into that detail, but certainly -- I mean if we were looking at it, as soon as one building permit came in we would start tracking. If it was for a big box store, that might be the full 8,000. If it was for some smaller retail building, fhen, we would just have to start tracking and keeping track of the estimated trips per day. And that's what it would be based on would be based on the Institute of Transportation Engineers guidelines for firip generation. ~ De Weerd: And you will oversee that, then, permit by permit? Little: That's correct. De Weerd: Okay. And, lastly, I know fhat you did talk about extraordinary impact fees from their property line to where the intersection of the phase one is being done. Where Meridian City Council June 24, 2008 Page 22 of 60 exactly is that property line? Is that, before or after the bridge? It looks like it's after the bridge and how much of a section is that and were you going to charge extraordinary impact fees in that area to help reimburse? Little: Madam Mayor, the bridge is on the applicanYs site and so they are required to make improvements to that. Any of their frontage improvements are not extraordinary impact eligible. What would be eligible is fihe off-site improvements and as soon as we start working with the applicant and' looking at their phasing plans, that's when we would start looking at some cost estimates for construction of Waltman and Corporate and start assessing fhat extraordinary, impact fee on development in this -- not only subdivision, but this general area. De Weerd: Okay. So, you can charge the extraordinary impact fees for the extension to Corporate, too? Little: Madam Mayor, fhat's correct. And what we would do, we would set up an impact fee boundary. One of the most successful one we had in some regards is at Magic View where we just charged an extraordinary fee based on trips in that particular case to get that roadway and signal constructed out to Eagle Road. So, this would be similar. We would just establish a geographic area and, then, assign an additional fee on top of the regular impact fee. De Weerd: Okay. Council, any questions? Bird: I have none. Zaremba: Madam Mayor? De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba. Zaremba: The original concept that was seen and heard by your commission would bring traffic probably from here and also from fihere in a pattern that would connect directly to Corporate eventually. Would you venture a guess as to how your commission would perceive the alternate, which would make Waltman more the -- it would make Waltman the more obvious road to use for people and actually make Corporate a side street. Can you ~venture an opinion on -- while I like that alternate as far as only this property is concerned, how does that work in the neighborhood? Little: Sure. Madam Mayor, Councilmember Zaremba, Council Members -- Zaremba: What we are viewing now is what the commission saw; right? They have seen nothing besides this? Liftle: That's correct. And if the Council were to approve the revised layout, I don't believe it would need to go back to the ACHD commission. All of the requirements of the streets are sfill being met. You know, traffic coming from fhat subdivision -- folks Meridian City Council June 24, 2008 Page 23 of 60 may be traveling to get to downtown via Meridian and Main and so those folks going into downtown are going to use the Corporate connection and avoid the Waltman-Meridian connection. Those people trying to get to the freeway or other areas south of the freeway will also use fhat connection. So, I do believe regardless of where that Corporate Drive intersection is, we are still going to see it functioning as it needs to function based on direcfion of travel. So, if the Council were to approve either site plan tonight it would still meet the requirements of the ACHD commission approval. Zaremba: Thank you. De Weerd: Okay. Anything else from Council at this point? Bird: I have none. De Weerd: Okay. Little: Madam Mayor, I also just wanted to add that the street sections that were included this evening, the applicant did run those by our staff last week and they meet our requirements from the staff report. De Weerd': Okay. Thank you. .Okay. Would the applicant like to comment? Nickel: Good evening, again, Madam Mayor and Council. Shawn Nickel. 6223 North Discovery Way, Suite 200, in Boise. De Weerd: Thank you. Nickel: Here tonight representing Browning Plaza Subdivision. ACHD did, obviously, a great job at explaining basically what you wanted them to go back and research and I hope that did -- did answer your question. I also have our engineer Ross Erickson here who worked with Gary Inselman at ACHD and came up with those street sections, if staff could -- those street sections right there, both of Corporate Drive and Waltman Lane within that existing easement right of way that's there right now and what those will both look like and Ross can come up here and give you the details, if that's necessary, exactly how those will -- or especially Waltman, how that will function, both now and in fhe future. We also provided a better detail of that -- that second conceptual plan that we presented at the last meeting right there and, again, when we discussed this connection to Corporate with ACHD staff, they also indicated to us that that wasn't necessarily fheir insistence on having that connect directly onto Corporate. That this alternate would work. Again, we understand this -- this concept right here would have to go back in front of ACHD as part of a preliminary plat for their -- for their review and we are willing to do that. What we are asking for tonight or in this -- with this application is this be the second -- the second concept plan become part of the development agreement that does show the big box concept further to the southwest of the property and a hotel on the southeast portion, more in the plaza. In fact, they seemed to like that and we can discuss that. We c.anvassed the neighbor, had another neighborhood Meridian City Council June 24, 2008 Page 24 of 60 meeting last night and no one showed up from the -- the western neighborhood. We did provide this concept plan in the letter fihis time, so they saw exactly what we were proposing, hoping for a little more input from fhem. There doesn't seem to be any concern from that western boundary out there. So, the conditions of approval that we -- or fhat I proposed last week that I believe helps to protect residents, even though fhey don't seem to care right now, if someone does move in there that does, we have got conditions in place that we feel will meet the -- any concerns with noise, with lighting, with trash compactors, whatever. We did go around and do an inventory.of four other shopping centers. I do have those right here if you'd like to look at them. Canning: Mr. Nickel, are those -- is this what you're handing Council? Nickel: Yes. I~did -- very lately, but I did get staff copies of these, so she could put them~ on the screen and what this does show is some of the newer developments in the area. This would be a Target at Chinden and Eagle and even though we know it's not in the Gity of Meridian, it does point out some setbacks and compatibility with the -- in this case this was Hobble Creek, which was an existing subdivision when the Target went in. It does show how this Target, for example, kind of sits in that corner. De Weerd: I guess, Shawn, too, on the other one, isn't that the loading area, so -- and it seems like on this -- Nickel: Well, actually, they -- De Weerd: Right there. Nickel: Yeah. De Weerd: So, I guess on this it seems like your loading dock is on the neighborhood side, so if you could fhrow that -- not throw it, but it would be better on the site that goes towards the freeway, if that's -- Niakel: And, again, keep in mind that as part of the conditions that we are proposing, if this building -- and in this~ case it's well over a hundred thousand square feet, if it is within a hundred feet of that western boundary, we would come back in for a condifional use permit and have staff be able to look at that, hold a Public Hearing at that time and look at those details a little more precisely. De Weerd: Well -- but would like expectafiions from them on -- Nickel: I understand. And if you could go to another -- De VVeerd: Because it seemed like even on the Lowe's, that's one of the things that Council spent a lot of time and attention to is making sure that back side wasn't -- wasn't where deliveries and dumpsters, that kind of thing -- Meridian City Council June 24, 2008 Page 25 of 60 Nickel: In fhis case I believe this is their loading area right here, backing up right in this area. Right here. Canning: Madam Mayor, you're thinking of the project to west of here. Council didn't have an opportunity to -- we had limited ability to influence the Lowe's property. De Weerd: Because it was already permitted. , Nickel: I guess .the reason for showing these examples is that we can design these developments -- and specifically the developer that is looking at this property has been in business for over 50 years and 'knows how to build these type of shopping centers and so -- De Weerd: So did Lowe's, but they -- Zaremba; Madam Mayor? De Weerd: Yes. Zaremba: On the same subject that -- the discussions that we had when the other Lowe's -- the one at Ustick and Eagle went in, that loading dock ended up on the south end of the building facing Ustick, not the residences. In addition to that, I believe there was some treatment along the back of fhe building and also on fhe other side of the street -- the buildings -- I can't thin'k of it now. It's TJ Maxx, but another store like that that's there and the Joe's and other things, have some treatment. They are not just plain on the back, fhey are viewable from the residences that are back there and I think those are elements that would want to be discussed and involved, but -- if you were to put a big box in that location. And as Director Canning pointed out, the buildings to the west of the one that we are looking at right now, we also had quite a bit of discussion about what would face the residences and would be the kind of things we would be looking at. ~ Nickel: And those are both very valid concerns and I think we can definitely address . those in conditions and make sure that everyone is -- De Weerd: Well, we learn lessons along the way and my office gets all the phone calls, so a little bit sensitive. ` Nickel: I don't -- don't doubt that. Zaremba: You can call forward to his number, though. De Weerd: We will learn how. Nickel: So, Madam Mayor and Council, that's all I have. If you'd like to get the engineer -- my engineer up to discuss those street sections, fhis would be the time to do that and, Meridian City Council June 24, 2008 Page 26 of 60 then, my client would also like to get up and speak very briefly and thank you for your time again. De Weerd: Okay. Thank you. Erickson: Madam Mayor, Members of Council, I'm Ross Erickson at 1854 East Lanark Street here in Meridian. I'm here tonight representing the developer. I'm a civil engineer. And based on your direction last week we went back and redrew some typical sections for the project. The top two sections that you see on the exhibit are standard ACHD road sections. The top one is for Corporate Drive. It's a 40 foot commercial collector with 54 feet of right of way. Along with that, 20 foot street buffers will be constructed along the east side of the road. The next section down is the Waltman Lane roadway typical section that fronts the site. Because we have got more right of way in our property to work with along the frontage, we can build the entire 46 foot collector in the 64 feet of right of way that's required to do it. So, at that location that's a section that would be built.~ The secfion that's kind of out of the ordinary is the section that's from our east property line to the new intersection at the split corridor. So, last week I went in and met with Gary Inselman and we kind of thought about what's the best way to do it. There really isn't a need for a left turn lane on this section as it sits, even with the development of the Waltman property, because there is no trip generators to the south or to fhe north that will be using the road. So, what we came up with is a 27 foot roadway secfion that ultimately would be built to a 46 foot collector and match the section above, that would utilize the existing prescriptive right of way such fhat fhe south edge of pavement of this section along the existing residents, would be one foot north of fhe existing edge of pavement. Does that make sense? So, last week there was some concerns with the neighbors, what are we going to do with their wells, what are we going to do with their irrigafion facilities, our trees. Vllhat I just said means that we won't be impacting those, so -- then, in fhe future when those properties sell to a developer, that developer will be required to come back in and construct the balance of this 46 foot roadway section. We thought that was probably the best way to do it to minimize impacts to the adjacent landowners and, then, also still provide the -- you know, a little heftier roadway section that was improved with sidewalk on the north side to access our development. So, with that I guess I'll stand for any questions that you may have on the -- on the roadway~secfions. De Weerd: Thank you. Council, any questions? Mr. Rountree? Rountree: Madam Mayor, my eyesight's not quite what it used to be, but give me some dimensions on the -- on the half section. Lane widths and are there or are there not sidewalks and -- Erickson: Madam Mayor, Councilmember Rountree, the -- that typical section is 27 feet measured from the back of curb that will be constructed on the north line -- or the north boundary of the roadway section to the edge of pavement on the south line of the roadway section. Along the north boundary of that curb there will be a seven foot sidewalk constructed and, basically, what that provides is a method for us to Meridian City Council June 24, 2008 Page 27 of 60 accommodate our drainage on that road, because we can slope all but, you know, maybe two feet or so to the north and design and construct drainage facilities to accommodate what we are doing. There is already -- right now the width of Waltman Lane varies 22 to 24 feet of pavement, you know, kind of a crown, kind of not, but half of it already drains to the south, so ini a sense we are actually going to be decreasing the amount of fhe drainage fhat goes to fhe south. So, there is not really a need to do drainage improvements on that side of the roadway either until the roadway is widened. With that 27 feet it allows for two travel lanes, with a little bit of extra. Rountree: And what's the -- what's the easement? Erickson: The easement. There is 25 feet of right of way on the north. Rountree: From center line? Erickson: I'm sorry? Rountree: From center line? Erickson: Yeah. From center line there is 25 feet of right of way north. So, we can't -- we can't center the 64 foot right of way -- not get right of way from both sides. It would be to the south, when the developer come in it will be addressed at that time. Canning: Madam Mayor, President Rountree, it's not any clearer, but it is bigger. Rountree: Just as muddy. De Weerd: Okay. Any other questions from Council? Bird: I have none. Rountree: I have none. De Weerd: Okay. Thank you. Erickson: Thank you. De Weerd: Saved the best for last. Wiener: I will try. Robert Wiener, 2730 South Mayflower, Boise. 83709. First of all, I'd like to thank you all for taking the time with the project and allowing us to come back. We understand we have got a unique property. We understand we have a unique location. We have unique access issues. We don't have drive-by traffic to our north. We have to have visibility from the soufh. We have to have visibility from Meridian Road. This is going to be a destination oriented project. We have demonstrated our willingness to work with ACHD. We have offered to participate in road construction, Meridian City Council June 24, 2008 Page 28 of 60 giving up part of our property. Ruddy Lane, connecting that so that it will help traffic flow. We want to build an attractive center. That's what we are after. We need flexibility in regards to specific designs. We are trying to show some different concepts here of what it can look like, how it will all connect. Obviously, as we, Trammell Crow company, hopefully, gains some tenants, they will have some more definitive site plans, but it looks like what they have shown now is pretty close to where they are going to be. Putting the box in the southwest corner is a very important part of this -- a very important part of this project. I# we designed the center and we don't have our largest draw at the furthest point away, how will we ever bring people to that end of the property? So, if we stopped them here, what would bring tenants to want to go over here? Our fear, then, would be a yacant center that wouldn't work, that wouldn't have good traffic flow. What our design is here is bring them in, let them pass the smaller stores, they shop here, they leave, they see everything else, they stop here, they shop, fhey stop here, they shop. If we stop them here and no one ever shops here, all we are going to have is vacancy problems and problems with the center ever having good traffic flow. So, this is thought out as far as how do you make it flow through and how do you make people come to where you want them to be and, then, flow out and shop throughout, so that you have a successful center. Poorly designed, struggles. Poorly designed doesn't create the tax base that we all want. It doesn't created the ability for people to be successful in their businesses. The Trammell Crow Company has been around since 1948. I give them pr;efty good credit for following through with what they have asked of us so far. They have been more than helpful and I think that they design a nice shopping center. So, with that I would just ask fhat you all consider this and they do understand the neighbors' concerns to the west. They are going to be willing to work with Council and with the city to plan how to limit the amount of noise back there, but the one thing that I will ask you all to, please, think about --.I-84 runs right here. These neighbors have been listening to huge amounts of noise. When I'm out there irrigating, if my phone rings, I can't talk on fhe phone out there. A building blocking noise coming down the interstate can't be that much worse than interstate noise and the center seems to me that these guys are used to a lot of noise and this can't do anything but help by having this block and some sound barrier of some sort. There is not that much traffic that goes behind that store, whether it's for getting to or from unloading -- I'm not exactly sure how it will end up loading, but my opinion is that in the long run they have got a wail versus open site of interstate, shot noise, whatever you want to call it. So, that's just my thoughts after driving around and looking at other centers, is fihat maybe it's not a bad fhing. So, any questions for me? De Weerd: Council, any questions? Rountree: I have none. De Weerd: Okay. Thank you. Wiener: I rambled long enough. Meridian City Council June 24, 2008 Page 29 of 60 De Weerd: Okay. I had a couple of people that have signed up and if you will limit your testimony to the information fhat it was continued for tonight. This -- I have Donna Aldridge signed up for and against. And Kafhy Floyd signed up against. Aldridge: My name is Donna Aldridge. I live at 355 Waltman Lane. The reason I didn't go to that meefing last night, I'm under doctor care. My blood pressure is really high and she had to put me some special medication and I didn't want to go get myself any upset more than I am and have a stroke. But, anyway, the traffic flow, they are going to come down Waltman Lane. I mean people are just waiting for that road to be opened again, like it was 20 years ago at that bridge, and there is no way you can keep fhose people from coming down there. And it is a peaceful lane. I know he's not -- he comes there once in awhile in his land, you know, and everything and it is peaceful down there. It's a dead end road and we have people walk through with their kids and their pets and stuff, but I took a little survey on my own and there is probably about a dozen that lives down there and maybe there is 25 trips a day, you know, for people that goes up and down and it is a headache to get out of there. I mean when you go up to that corner, you pray that you make it through without getting killed. So, when I get down there to go to town I always make sure I get all of my business done. I'm not trying to be mean about this project. I mean I can see where they are coming from. I know they are wanting to do fhis project, but they are not really doing it right. I mean they need some better way than just coming out on Waltman Lane for all that traffic, because it is going to be a total chaofic mess, because people are going to be coming down that lane and I won't be able to get out of my driveway, like I said 20 years ago. There is no way on God's green earth this is going to go through unless they do something better than what they have got planned. It is going to be a headache for the police department and everything, because, like I said, they had that one wagon down there, they had policemen, and it's not going to be any better when this project comes through, unless they do something better to get these people -- and it's not going to be good for them, for us, or anybody thaf's in that development, unless they can do something better to get fhis traffic flow better than what; they have got planned. De Weerd: Thank you. Okay. Kathy. Floyd: Hi. My name is Kafhy. I li~ve at 520 Waltman Lane. I don't have too much -- I mean I have already commented on this a lot and the only things I have to say are the example that they showed -- the developer showed as what this could be were on major arossroads, Eagle, Chinden, Overland, Meridian and we are talking about a dead end lane here, so I don't think their comparison is very -- apples to oranges. Well, apples to trucks. It's not even close. So, I think the major problem is when you open up the subdivision, if you're going to now have five lanes and, then, it goes down to finro, you're -- that's going to cause problems. You have to have the roads there and the infrastructure set before you allow any building or you're going to really end up with a big big mess. That's all I have. De Weerd: Thank you. Okay. Is there any further testimony? Yes, sir. Meridian City Council June 24, 2008 Page 30 of 60 Lee: Curtis Lee. 365 Waltman Lane. Comment was made earlier about the one road that's going to be connecting -- what's it going to be called? The one they are going to bring through? Bird: Corporate. De Weerd: Corporate. Lee: People are not going to use Corporate, it's just going to be an access road, basically, because they are going to Waltman Lane, especially during peak hours, they are going to go to the corner closest to the freeway. During peak hours people are going to Boise or Nampa, they want the interstate. I do not know where they -- how they figured -- really figured their numbers. They said across the west side fhere they looked at their traffic. Well, this is 38 acres, with more offices than they are going to have over there and stores, plus I don't think they have taken into account the west side of Waltman Lane, that development that they are going to be developing. So, that's, what, about 80 acres of development and I don't think with their survey that they did they have taken any of that into consideration, that other development part. For Browning Plaza, yeah, there would be -- that would be enough for them, but not for the corner up there, fhe rest of that land. So, they needed Waltman all the way through to make it four lanes, because peopCe are not going to use Corporate, they are going to use Waltman to get to the interstate to go to work. And that's it. Thank you. De Weerd: Thank you. Okay. Any further testimony? Yes, sir. Lorcher: Joe Lorcher. 740 Waltman Lane. De Weerd; Thank you. Lorcher: I'm fhe landowner of this property right up here that Corporate Drive is supposed to go through and I still have not been contacted at all by Ada County Highway District. The only person I have talked to about the right of way for that property is the developer and I just think it's -- I just want to make a statement on the record that Ada County Highway District has not contacted me at all or -- or we have talked about that property, selling for the road, and I agree with -- with this new proposal, the cars are just going to zoom right down here, go right down to Waltman Lane and the new intersection to get to the freeway. Corporate Drive won't be completely taken out of the picture with the new way to -- they took away that intersection. Thanks. De Weerd: Thank you. Yes, sir. Haddock: Ed Haddock. 480 Waltman Lane. And I had a question about the -- the intersection up there that they are going to construct. What it's -- which one of those is actually going to be Waltman Lane? I wasn't quite sure how that was going to look. Meridian City Council June 24, 2008 Page 31 of 60 Zaremba: On that drawing Waltman Lane goes up this way. Haddock: So, that's Waltman Lane~, going straight up? Zaremba: And this one goes that way. Yeah. This one is turned sideways. Haddock: Okay. So, the one that goes up is the one that actually goes to Waltman Lane. Okay. Where we come in presently from Waltman Lane, is that going to be all blocked off? There isn't going to be any access where we normally come in at the present? Rountree: No. Haddock: Okay. Well, that was my concern exacfly what that's going to look like. Okay. Thank you for -- my main concern has been access to the property the whole time and, you know, if you can sol~e the problem, so that everyone can live with it, I will will be happy. Thank you. ~ De Weerd: Thank you. Rountree: Madam Mayor, I guess on that point, it's a fully signalized intersection at Waltman Lane, so -- De Weerd: Yeah. That's been an intersection that's needed improvement for years. And years. Since you guys have lived there, you must realize that. Sir in the back. Swenson: Michael Swenson. 815 Waltman Lane. I won't go through the traffic woes, because you have heard them 6:50 million Cimes. I'll give you a couple of maybe possible suggestions that, one, where Ruddy connects to Waltman Lane we put a stop sign. You know, that might help the traffic flow to be so continuous that it's going to wipe out any chance of us actually getting on the road. And maybe have like a 25 mile an hour speed limit on that road, because it's going to be a short little piece of road anyway and I don't fihink you're going to want people going very fast there. That's about a'll I have to say. Thanks. De Weerd: Okay. Thank you. R.Haddock: I'm Rob Haddock. 650 Waltman Lane. I was out of town last week, so I missed that one, but I have been to several others. My biggest concern with the new plan -- if we could get it back up, the one we were just on. Yes. Thank you. This is our residence right here. I just started shaking. We are right here. 520 Waltman Lane is right there. 480 Waltman Lane is right there. Currently our driveways just come out there. It's a dead end lane. With this new road is this connection going to be made? Is that going to be blocked off? I fihink 480 Waltman's driveway is right there at the corner. That's going to be an ugly one to get in and out of. 520 is right there. Mine's about right here. 650. And so that's -- that's my concern. I don't know -- I don't know what this -- Meridian City Council June 24, 2008 Page 32 of 60 this doesn't really show an intersection at the present time, so I just don't -- I can't visualize that. My other concern is every time we come it's a different plan. I voiced a concern that Joe Borton is involved in this whole thing and, you know, have been to a lot of these meetings and I haven't seen fhe type of patience I have seen with this project given to others. The last meeting I was at they talked about no retail period along this boundary, now we are talking big box retail. So, you know, from my viewpoint I think it should go back to Planning and Zoning and they should get another shot at it, because it's changed so drasfically -- I think this is the third time now since it's been to City Council. And traffic. Traffic. Traffic. And I agree wifh Kathy that this is not a major intersection, it's a dead end street and you can improve the intersection, but you're not -- you know, it doesn't make -- make it a major thoroughfare. My other concern is the road. It sounds like they don't have the right of way to fhe east and so they are planning to have nice big intersection, shrink it down to a little tiny alley and, then, widen it back up when a project comes. It seems silly to me. Thanks for your time. De Weerd: Thank you. Okay. Any further testimony? N.Swenson: Nancy Swenson. 815 Waltman Lane. I guess I partly wanted to get a little closer look at this stuff, because from where I was sitting I wasn't certain how the end of the lane was going to get through. And a closer look isn't really giving me a whole lot to go on. How are the people, of wh'ich I'm one, down here at the very end, going to be able to connect into all this mess? Is there going to be a yield sign here for the people coming out of there? Is there going to be a stop sign to let the few of us -- and there is just a few of us -- keep from being trampled by what I know is going to be rush hour mess, because right now the only way I get off of the current intersection of Waltman, Meridian, Main is when the light stops and if people know how to read the sign that says do not block intersection, then, I can get out. Otherwise, it is very very difficult. It's a lot of traffic going through that intersection that we currently have. When you pull -- and I know that they will be coming out of the subdivision up here. They are not going to want to go up any possible Corporate. They are not going to want to go up Linder and down Franklin, like they are doing. I wouldn't either if I were living down here. I would be coming zooming out there. Another concern that I have is their numbers. Eight thousand vehicle trips. She just said fhat one big box store might contain that number of trips. Does that take into any consideration the number that might be coming out of any possible development to the east? Does that mean that if we bring in one big box store and these guys cannot develop the properties that have also got signs on it wanting to be developed -- I realize that ACHD said that the new intersection should be able to handle adequately the flow, but, then, she kept bringing up again the 8,000 vehicle trips before Corporate hadl to be expanded. So, I am a little concerned and a little confused. De Weerd: Thank you. Okay. Any further testimony? Okay. Would the applicant like to wrap things up? Nickel: Thank you, again, Madam Mayor and Council. For the record, Shawn Nickel. Just to remind every body, the intersection of Waltman and Meridian Road will be fully Meridian Ciry Council June 24, 2008 Page 33 of 60 constructed before we can pull any building permits on -- on our site. So, that conflict that exists -- exists now is not going to be there when we pull our building permits and I think that's important to understand, because as ,it sits today, it's a very bad intersection and we all understand that. The example that I showed you earlier of the existing shopping centers were just to demonstrate the transition from the shopping centers to existing residential. It wasn't to demonstrate traffic patterns or anything else. I do realize that those centers were on ~major corridors. That was just to demonstrate how we would be compatible with the western boundary and how that all transitions. So, I wanted to point that out. We do not -- well, I guess the -- at the last meeting the Council sent us back to provide more detail on this conceptual plan. I just need to point out that it is conceptual in nature. We will have to go back in front of ACHD and modify our -- bofh the preliminary plat we have in front of you now, because, as you know, that plat follows the first original concept plan. So, these issues of Corporate connection and how we are going to bring Waltman Lane in and transition it into our new Waltman will all be taken care of at that time. We will have another neighborhood meeting, we will work with fhe neighbors like we have before on the first plan and make sure everyone understands where the stop signs are, where their accesses are going to be, buffering and all that, will be handled if we decide to go with this concept plan. So, right now we do not know exactly where Corporate will line up, other than in talking to ACHD, their indication was that this does not --~that this concept is okay, but, again, they are going to look at it again and make that determination in more detail, which will, obviously, come back to the city for review. And, then, regarding the other properties that will no doubt develop some day to the east of this site, I believe that's where the extraordinary impact fee district would come into play to speed along these improvements if there is more development that's going to occur to the east of this property. We understand what is being presented now is this center and the specific conditions that are being placed on this center regarding when Corporate gets built and some of those other off- site improvements. So, wifh that I will stand for any quesfions. De Weerd: Council, any questions? Rountree: Madam Mayor? De Weerd: Mr. Rountree. Rountree: If Shawn or possibly his engineer -- and I know this is design detail and it's somefhing that we understand necessarily, but maybe the public doesn't -- in terms of local access that would take access off of Waltman and how they are going to be accommodated and how they have; to be accommodated, since it is a public road. Nickel: Right. If -- staff, can you go back to the original site plan? Yeah. In the case of the site plan that we have detailed, because it does match our preliminary plat, those issues were -- were looked at and provisions were made for accesses into those exisfing dwellings or those existing houses, transition of Waltman in this area down to where Corporate would come in where that intersection would be, fhose are all details Meridian City Council June 24, 2008 Page 34 of 60 that you will see if that other concept plan goes into play. Does fhat answer your question, Council Member? Rountree: It answers mine, yeah. Thank you. De Weerd: Shawn, how -- on either of those plans how do you accommodate the traffic? Are you going to do a roundabout there or is that going to be a light? I mean how do you get from Waltman onto Ruddy or Corporate and -- Nickel: The intersection right there'? De Weerd: Uh-huh. Or even the other one, #or that matter. Nickel: I would imagine this would be a stop sign here and -- we just didn't get into that detail with -- with ACHD on it. They were going to have a-- have stop signs, four-way stop, or it was going to be two way. I guess -- you know, I guess those are details I-- just weren't worked out. But, obviously, if this was a-- if this was a two way stop, that would send more traffic onto Corporate when it was built. I mean those things are -- those could affect traffic. De Weerd: Council, any other questions? Bird: I have none. Mr. Zaremba? No? Okay. Thank you. Nickel: Thank you. De Weerd: Council, anymore information needed from staff? Or applicant? Canning: Madam Mayor'? De Weerd: Yes. Canning: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, I have no idea how Council's voting tonight, but in fhe event you do want to consider the alternative concept plan -- I think at the last hearing I made the statement fhat it -- I would consider it consistent with the approved preliminary plat. I think fhe neighbors have brought up a lot of concerns with regard to -- to the driveway locations and at that last hearing I did state if it changes -- if it affects those adjoining property owners, then, it would need to be a new preliminary plat before -- before you all and in ilistening to the testimony tonight I would be inclined to think that we should have a new preliminary plat to give them ample opportunity to discuss that before ACHD and before the Commission and Council. But I would, of course, look for Council's guidance ~on such things. It's just -- De Weerd: Well -- and thaf's consistent with if a road grid changes at all and it would have some -- some significant changes to it. I still don't understand why traffic circles Meridian City Council June 24, 2008 Page 35 of 60 aren't used more often than stop signs. I hate stop signs. So, you're asking Council if they choose to approve this, that fhey also choose one of the conceptual plans? Canning: Madam Mayor, Members of the -- Madam Mayor, Council Members, not necessarily, but just make it clear that the alternative concept plan would required a new plat. De Weerd: Okay. Okay. Council, what would you like to do? Rountree: Madam Mayor, I would offer a motion to close the public hearings on Items 8 and 9. Bird: I would second it. De Weerd: Okay. I have a motion and a second to close the public hearings on Items 8 and 9. All those in favor say aye. All ayes. Motion carried. MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. ONE ABSENT. De Weerd: Okay. Any discussion? Rountree: I would echo what Anna just said in terms how we are going to go this evening, but it seems to me that if -- if we go with denial, then, that's fairly straight forward. If we tend towards approval, I just made a laundry list of about 12 or 13 things that I have heard that -- keep heari'ng again fhat are in the form of mitigation or whatnot to address some of the issues that we and the citizens have with this particular applicafiion, I would like to see fihat list and more that is excised out of all of the testimony that we have received and make sure that all of that stuff is included in a motion that would be towards approval of this annexation. So, just a point of discussion, I don't know about how anybody else feels about moving forward with this or denying it, but if we move forward with it, I think in my opinion it's not tonight, it's after we get this list of conditions that ~need to be in the DA or whatnot that follows with annexation. May need to be rounded up and put in a form that everybody understands what's going to be done. De Weerd: Okay. Mr. Nary, then, if Council chooses to move forward, would a development agreement -- usually that's signed before annexation is -- moves forward. Nary: Madam Mayor, Members of fhe Council, that's correct. That's certainly an option that we have used a number of times. De Weerd: So, to meet the objective, if the other Council Members agree with Mr. Rountree, what would the process be? Nary: Well, we can articular these for the development agreement. I guess the issue is going to be is -- because the development agreement is, essentially, a contract and Meridian City Council June 24, 2008 Page 36 of 60 we've had a number -- a lot of testimony now we have closed tesfimony before we identified those particular items, I don't have any idea if the developer is willing to meet some of those things. So, I don't want to go through the process of creating a DA and they are not really interested in being annexed at this time with those conditions. Maybe there is an alternative they would propose, whether its, again, return to P&Z with these directions to be evaluated -- I think Mrs. Canning can talk a little bit about, again, some reevaluation of some of the changes that have been made, that's certainly a different option. I don't want to run into a situation fihat we have seen occasionally where we have created a development agreement and at that point the other party is no longer interested in being annexed under those conditions. . De Weerd: Thank you, Mr. Nary. Canning: Madam Mayor'? De Weerd: Yes. Canning: I believe what President Rountree was asking for is we could do a revised staff report to include all the testimony thus far to incorporate -- we have to do it at some point for the findings, so it would just be a revised staff report that would detail out any conditions that Council wanted to add to fhe development agreement and/or the preliminary plat. De Weerd: I guess if that were the case, it -- we would need to reopen the Public Hearing so that that revised staff report could be entered in as part of the record. Canning: Yes, ma'am. De Weerd: Okay. Bird: Madam Mayor'? De Weerd: Mr. Bird. Bird: Make it clear for me -- I don't~ believe we have ever had a DA without first passing or denying the application. You know, you got to move forward with the application, I think, don't we? I have never -- to my knowledge don't ever remember doing a DA without enacting upon the application of annexation -- De Weerd: And that's correct, Mr. Bird. Bird: -- without it, so -- Rountree: Madam Mayor, I guess to. add confusion to what I was trying to clarify, there is a lot -- and I'm not -- I'm not going to ground that hasn't either been suggested by or agreed to, from what I have heard, from the developer. But just to get that all in one Meridian City Council June 24, 2008 Page 37 of 60 spot, so I know when a motion is made to approve or deny this annexation, that all of fhat stuff is considered and included in the motion and -- I mean , there was a recommendation at some point in fime last week by the developer that we not connect Ruddy Lane and -- is that something we want to include or not if we move forward. But because we -- typically we say and all the comments of, et cetera, et cetera, so -- De Weerd: That drives the staff crazy, by the way. Nary: Madam Mayor. Madam ~Mayor, Members of the Council, maybe I-- if I understand both from what Mrs. Canning is stating and what Council President Rountree is stating, I mean maybe what we need is to reopen the Public Hearing, for you to list the items that you believe are the outstanding issues that maybe need clarification in a revised staff report, that can be incorporated into a development agreement, continue that for one week or finro weeks or whatever Mrs. Canning needs to put into that report, so that what ~I think I-- if I understand what you`re asking is when you make a motion on this project, the documents in front of you that you are comfortable with going forward is going to become part of fhis development agreement and not fhat iYs based on the testimony in pieces and parts and which makes it difficult for staff to identify specifically what you're -- or you or the rest of the Council's specific concerns are. So, we are really wanting, essentially, a revised staff report and, then, a motion for -- I guess approval based upon fhat and if there is any issues that are outstanding -- obviously, the developer certainly would have an additional opportunity to correct that with the staff. But what you get in front of you in one or two weeks -- probably two, is that all of the revisions we have listened to in fhe last three public hearings on this project. De Weerd: Well, I guess -- usually, if there is specifics you make those specifics in your motion if -- if approved those are specifics that are specified and certainly if it's approved with those specifics or if iit's denied, the developer always has an opportunity to appeal, so -- and state the basis of what that appeal would be about. Are we asking for an extra step that we usually haven't? Nary: Well, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, appeal would be a little more problematic in this case, just because it is an annexation request and not just a preliminary plat or a CUP. It is an extra step, but this is a fairly complicated project. We have had three public hearings here, lots of varied testimony, lots of changes or revisions to the proposed plan, where the location of fhe road -- public, private, where is the center, where is it not, where is the term, where is the -- I mean lots of information that I guess from what I'm hearing is wanfing some clarity in front of the Council to, then, move forward on. And, yes, fhat is an additional step, maybe this has involved enough project to warrant that. De Weerd: Thank you. Okay. Rountree: Madam Mayor -- and the only reason I made fhat comment is this is a unique application. Typically, they aren't fhis complicated as it relates to transportation issues Meridian City Council June 24, 2008 Page 38 of 60 and whether or not it comes or doesn't come or how it's going to be funded or not and those sorts of things. And an original concept and a new -- maybe second alternative concept and so there is just a lot of information and I think -- I personally would want to be boiled down if I were to make a motion. That's just my point of view. De Weerd: Thank you. Well, we have heard one point of view. Anyone else want to offer any thoughts or a motion to do something, either open the Public Hearing or approve or deny. So, those are your choices. I`m just here to run your meeting. Zaremba: Well, Madam Mayor, I probably would offer two opposing points of view. De Weerd: Okay. Zaremba: I have not resolved this myself yet. De Weerd: Okay. Zaremba: One is that I'm happy to see some activity beginning in this area. It's a spot that needs commercial activity available to the interstate. I can see huge benefits to the City of Meridian, including all the people that live around it, by having something happen here. My inclination would be that we act only on the concept plan that the ACHD commission has seen and that our Planning and Zoning Commission has seen and however it is worded, encourage them to bring the alternate back either as variation or a new plat or something that would also require a Public Hearing. That Public Hearing would be on the configuration, not -- not on the annexation, if we move ahead. On that same side, I have been involved in the approval of many of the residences that are just to the west of this, holding my nose waiting for this connection to be made, through Waltman over to Meridian and hoping that we have no disaster before this comes. So, for all of fhose reasons I would very much like to have this happen. The other side of it is the transportation infrastructure around it is not there yet and regardless of what is done on fhis property, I understand the promises that are made to help the other pieces of fhe transportation infrastructure get done -- it's difficult, because I think where I would go on my opposing; which I'm giving now, is that the property to the east of this needs to be developed in conjunction with t~his one, so that all of Waltman Lane is solved and what the traffic filows -- what the traffic needs are going to be. It's not helping, but I could be convinced either way. Nary: Madam Mayor'? De Weerd: Yes, Mr. Nary. Nary: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, Councilmember Zaremba, the only caution I would tell you is that if you annex the property without those conditions that concern you the most, being part of that annexation, you may find it difficult later to impose those conditions. And so the City Council back in 2002 thought exacfly like you did in trying to annex property at the corner of Ustick and Eagle on the southwest side Meridian City Council June 24, 2008 Page 39 of 60 of fhat and because it was conceptual and because it was not tied up very tightly, because with the -- what you were anticipating what happened didn't happen, we spent a long time trying to get that property to conform with what fhe needs of the city are. So, I would just be cautious if you want to do that. You might be wiser as a Council to address your concerns on fhe record, make those -- bring those up and send it back to Planning and Zoning for addressing those specific things, so that it does get ironed out, because there has been a lot of. give and take and discussion in front of you that Planning and Zoning didn't hear. Just a caution. That's all. Zaremba: Thank you. De Weerd: Okay. Mr. Zaremba, I guess I'm trying to understand -- the property to the east of this is annexed and they weren't required to do any road improvements. So, that is why you're in fhe conundrum that you're in today. Zaremba: East of this is already in? De Weerd: Yeah. Zaremba: The other square? I didn't realize that. De Weerd: Yeah. Rountree: The state property isn't. Nary: All the residential parcels ha~,ue been. Zaremba: Yeah. You're right. Some of it is. De Weerd: So, what would you like to do? Rountree: Well, Madam Mayor, at this point, given the information from ACHD and all of the things that I have heard in terms of mitigation and/or timing, I'm inclined to want to get that list put together fhat can be included in a motion, so the specificity for a motion to approve the annexation would include that. Were I inclined to be opposed to this project right now I would have already made that motion. De Weerd: Okay. Mr. Rountree, would you like to open the Public Hearing, so that we can clarify the items and the informafion that you wish to be assembled for a concise motion? Okay. I'm just trying to figure out what you want. But I have got all night, so -- Zaremba: Madam Mayor'? De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba. Meridian City Council June 24, 2008 Page 40 of 60 Zaremba: I think I would support fhe idea of reopening the hearing to do exactly as you described, to have President Rount'ree discuss the list and, then, continue it probably for two weeks to have Planning and Zoning review the list and maybe add anyfhing that they need to out of it, so that we have a new staff report. That does not mean that I would promise fhat we would approve it when we got there, but I would like to have that list and it would go a long way to helping me decide which way to go. Bird: Madam Mayor'? De Weerd: Mr. Bird~. Bird: Councilman Zaremba, you said you wanted Planning and Zoning to look at the list? In ofher words, you're proposing to send this back to Planning and Zoning? Zaremba: I didn't mean the Commission, I meant the staff. I'm sorry. Bird: Okay. Because I'm going, no, I don't think I want it sent back. Zaremba: I think we can make the decision. Bird: Yeah. Okay. We better. Zaremba: I don't see the director being very happy about that. Canning: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, I think these folks have gone to enough Planning and Zoning and City Council meetings that their views have been represented at numerous occasions. I'm not sure they want to go to more Planning and Zoning Commission hearings, so -- I think we can do as Council has asked. Zaremba: Yeah. I did mean for fhe decision to be made b.y Council two weeks from now one way or the other. Rountree: Madam Mayor? De Weerd: Mr. Rountree. Rountree: I move that we reopen the public hearings on Items 8 and 9. Zaremba: I second that. De Weerd: Okay. I have a motion and a second to reopen the public hearings on Item 8 and 9. All those in favor say aye. Those opposed? Bird: Aye. Same signal, only under no. Rountree: He's no. Meridian City Council June 24, 2008 Page 41 of 60 De Weerd: Okay. Okay. The Pubiic Hearing has been reopened. MOTION CARRIED: TWO AYES. .ONE NAY. ONE ABSENT. De Weerd: Mr. Rountree. Rountree: Do we need a motion or just a direction to staff? De Weerd: A direction to staff. Rountree: Bill? Nary: Yeah. Just a direction is fine and, then, a motion to continue to July 8th or -- Rountree: Okay. De Weerd: Anna, will you need a week or two weeks? Canning; Well, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, if all Council wants is for us to draft a motion so they could take care of all the changes, we can have that in a week, but to do that revised staff report I'm probably going to need finro weeks De Weerd: Okay. So, depending on what you need. Rountree: I think with that explanation, Madam Mayor, one week would be sufficient. De Weerd: Okay. Rouritree: So, I'm going to make a recommendation to staff that they prepare the motion that articulates the discussion and direction on the project being timed such that the split corridor intersection improvement is done. That a CU would be required for any square footage greater than 100,000. That architectural design elements on the structures will continue all the way around the structures, similar to the example provided by the applicant at Target. That there is a completion of Waltman -- that Waltman Lane half section as provided this evening. The landscape barrier to the north -- and I believe it was specific to or on either side of and including the Haddocks' property, would be include as committed. If an alternate plan is decided, then, a new preliminary plat would have to be presented that would show the plat and vehicular access. No building permits would be issued after 8,000 vehicle trip generation, as calculated by ACHD and the reason I asked for staff to review the testimony is that's where my list ends, but I know there is other things that need to be added to that list. Canning: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, if Councilmember Rountree could comment on the applicant's proposals to buffer the residential properties to the west as noted in fhe memo before Council I'ast week. Meridian City Council June 24, 2008 Page 42 of 60 Rountree: Yes. Canning: And if Councilmember Rountree could comment on the proposed cap on the number of cattle allowed as an interim agriculture use. Rountree: I'm believe fihat the comment was 25. Zaremba: And one horse. De Weerd: Plus the horse. Rountree: And a horse. Canning: And, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, President Rountree, the start time wifh regard to the uses adjoining the residential, the applicant committed to an end time, but never stipulated a beginning time in that letter, there may have been testimony last week and I have forgotten what it was for the beginning time. Rounfiree: I believe there was and i fhink it was like 8:00 o'clock. Canning: Okay. And, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, that's all I had in my notes that I could recall. I think Mr. Nickel summarized a lot of the proposed modificafions in his memo last week, so we can pull those and integrate them into the motion for Council. ~ Rountree: Thank you. De Weerd: Okay. Anything further'? Zaremba: I would second that and: I have a question. De Weerd: Well, it wasn't a mofion. Zaremba: It wasn't a motion? Rountree: It was just direction. Zaremba: I would support that concept, then. De Weerd: Okay. Thank you. Zaremba: And I do have a question. Would fhe requiring of a platting process for the alternate concept trigger a Public Hearing? Rountree: Uh-huh. Meridian City Council June 24, 2008 Page 43 of 60 Zaremba: Then, I'm in favor of that. De Weerd: Okay. Canning: And Councilmember Rountree, Members of the Council, if I could ask for one more clarification. Typically, in our -- you said no building permits issued after the 8,000 trip aount. Typically, the way fhe process works is they come into the Planning Department, they get a certificate of zoning compliance. We send the certificate of zoning compliance off to ACHD. They work with the applicant kind of independently, kind of at the same time that the building permit stage is going on. I would recommend in this case that we try and get that approval from ACHD prior to initiating the certificate of zoning compliance. Okay. Bird: I think -- Madam Mayor? De Weerd: Yes. Bird: I think Christie stated that in her testimony that they would -- Rountree: Yeah. They would hold off. Bird: They would hold off. When they got to the trips they would shut it down. De Weerd: Well -- and I guess what fhat allows is you can get your CZC, have ACHD do their review, you just couldn't get a building permit. I mean your building permit can be reviewed, you just wouldn't be able to get a building permit, unless ACHD signed off. Bird: That's right. Canning: And, Madam Mayor, maybe they integrate their comments into that, what point they have leverage, so -- -- perhaps Mrs. Little could comment on how because I'm not sure once we issue the CZC, at De Weerd: Okay. Canning: We could work on that this week and get back to you. How is that? De Weerd: Okay. That can be brought back. Canning: Yes. De Weerd: Okay. Rountree: Very good. Meridian City Council June 24, 2008 Page 44 of 60 Zaremba: Madam Mayor? De Weerd: Yes. Zaremba: I don't know if this is the appropriate time to ask this question or not. In the new intersection configuration, how do these five properties get access? They currently use this little thing here that I think will go away to get there. Canning: Madam Mayor, I-- my memory may be a little faulty, but l fhink what they did is -- I believe they looped something back kind of like fhis or then -- Zaremba: Okay. So, they will still be able to get there? Canning: I believe so. It was just one property and I know it was addressed. I can't state that much with confidence, but I know that they did look at that and address it in some fashion. De Weerd: They would have to. Canning: Yeah. Zaremba: Thank you. Rountree: Do it or buy it. De Weerd: Okay. Anything further, from Council? If not, do I have a motion to continue this Public Hearing? . Rountree: Madam Mayor, I move t~hat we confinue the Public Hearing for Items 8 and 9 until our next regularly scheduled meeting, which would be July 1 st. De Weerd: Okay. Council, the concern -- Rountree: Oh, we have issues, don't we. De Weerd: Yeah. With that is -- you are fhe third vote and unless you're first on Kuna's agenda, which we don't know what fheir agenda looks like. Rountree: Maybe that would be a good reason for me not to go to Kuna. Bird: It sounds like you had that all~ lined out. De Weerd: I guess it is your decision. Rountree: July 8th. Meridian City Council June 24, 2008 Page 45 of 60 Zaremba: Second. De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to continue this Public Hearing to July 8th. All those in favor say aye. Any opposed? All ayes. MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. ONE ABSENT. De Weerd: Okay. Item 10 is a Public Hearing -- Council, we are going to call a five minute break. (Recess.) Item 10: Public Hearing: Draft 2008 Annual Action Plan, Community Development Block Grant (CDBG) program: De Weerd: Okay. Let's go. I'll go ahead and call this meeting to order again. Item No. 10 is a Public Hearing on the draft 2008 Annual Action Plan Community Development Biock Grant program. Canning: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, I would like to formally introduce you to Mrs. Sarah Wheeler. Some of you met her at the bowling alley. This is her first time before Council. Nary: As part of a fundraiser. Canning: Yeah: De Weerd: They were an awesome fundraising team. Canning: Yeah. Yes, we were. And I'm going to turn it over to Sarah. I just wanted to introduce her and point her out as our shining new star in the planning department. De Weerd: Thank you. Wheeler: Thank you, Anna. De Weerd: And welcome, Sarah. Wheeler: Thank you, Mayor and Members of the Council. I'm going to keep this short, sweet, and simple and fast, so if I~;m speaking too fast, please, slow me down. Just a brief background of why we are -- oh. The City of Meridian, as you know, was designated an entitlement community by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development and as such it can directly receive entitlement grants that a Community Development Block Grant program or CDBG as I'll just refer to it for the rest of the presentation, basically allocates some of that to cities to develop viable communities. Now, they are somewhat limited in scope due to federal restrictions, obviously,