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MERIDLAN CITY COUNCIL
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MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS MEETING HELD SEPTEMBER 5, 1989: (APpROVID)
1: FINAL PLAT ON GLENNFTF:T,1~ MANOR #3: TABLED AT THE SFpm~nr~FR 5, 1989 MEETING: (APPROVID)
2: COVENANTS ODI GLE[~1FILID MANOR #3: TABLID AT TfiE SEPTENIDII2 5, 1989 MEETING:. (APPROVED)
3: PUBLIC HEARING: ANNEXATION & ZONING REQUEST BY INTEI~7EST FINANCIAL & STUCI~R
WITH PRFT.TM7NARV pLAT AND FINAL PLAT ON CHATEAU MEADOWS EAST # 1: (FINDINGS TO BE PREPARID)
4: PUBLIC HEARING: VARIANCE REQUEST BY GARY & PAMELA SMOCK ON FENCE: (FINDINGS TO BE PREPARID)
5: PUBLIC HEARING: PRELIMINARY & FINAL PLAT ON GOLF VIEW ESTATES: (APPROVID)
6: COVENVANTS ON GOLF VIEW ESTATES:(APPROVID)
7: DOLVNTOWN PARKING:
8: CCNfi~N'CS BY CITY COUNCIL ON COUNCILMAN I~RROW REQUEST AT LAST MEETING ON
FINCES, TRAILER HURTS & PRESSURIEZID IRRIGATION SYSTEMS:
9: DEPARTA'E'fENNT REPORTS:
COUNCIL SEPTII~48ER 19, 1989
Regular Meeting of the N~ridian City Council called to order by Mayor Grant Kingsford
at 7:30 p.m.:
Mgnbers Present: Ron Tolsma, Bert Myers, Bob Giesler, Walt Morrow:
Others Present: Marjorie Moon, Gary & Pamela Slmck, Dennis Marshall, Gary Lasher,
Betty Holton, Phyllis Purvis, Don Bryan, Blazer, Lee Stucker, Gordon Wood, Dan Wood,
Gary Lee, Kent Anderson, Dave Collins, Gary Smith, Bill Gordon, Jim Johnson,
Wayne Crookston, Helen & Dale Sharp, Ted Kildow,
The Motion was made by Giesler & seconded by Myers to approve the Minutes of the
previous Meeting held September 5, 1989 as written:
Motion Carried: All Yea:
Item #1: Final Plat for Glennfield Manor #3: Tabled at September 5, 1989 Meeting:
Mayor Kingsford: Are there any questions or concerns of the Council?
Morrow: I would ask if the Glennfield Developers have resolved the issues that were
raised by the City Engineer?
City Engineer: I have been in contact with their Engineer and we have resolved the
problgns as far as the final plat is concerned, they are in the process of filing the
water & sewer develognent plans.
Giesler: We can hold up signing that plat until the itans are taken care of?
Engineer: Yes, I would not recrnmend that the City Clerk sign until everything is
taken care of:
The Motion was made by Myers and seconded by Tolsma that the Final Plat of Glennfield
Manor #3 be approved and that the City Engineer's recamlendation be follawed before
the Plat is signed
Motion Carried: All Yea:
Item #2: Covenants Glennfield Manor #3: Tabled at last Meeting:
Mayor Kingsford: Counselor, have you had time to review those changes?
City Attorney: 2 have not:
Mayor Kingsford: I have looked them over and as 2 recall the problens we discussed
at the last meeting have been remedied.
The Motion was made by Giesler and seconded by Myers that the Covenants of Glennfield
Manor #3 be approved with the stipulation that the City Attorney also approves the
changes that were made:
Notion Carried: All Yea:
Itan #3: Public Hearing: Annexation & Zoning request by Intexwest Financial & Stucker
w/Preliminary Plat and Final Plat on Chateau N~adows East #1:
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Mayor Kingsford: At .this time I will open the Public Hearing, is there anyone fran
the audience who wishes to testify on this request?
Don Bryan, 2070 North Locust Grove Road: Bryan was sworn by the City Attorney:
Bryan: I am here to oppose the annexation, there are a lot of reasons why, one thing I
would like to understand is the fifty eight acre parcel that was started is this
just a part of it this Final. Plat?
It was explained that the whole parcel was to be annexed and zoned but at the present
time only a part of it would be developed.
Bryan: On the irrigation in Item #9 of the Findings, it is possible that it is going
to be greater density than is currently in existance in the surrounding area, to possible
interference. with surface irrigation and water rights, use of irrigation easanents for
possible access and to a possible change in life style for the current adjacent property
owners, when they start building in there has am I going to get my water, I wnuuld also
like to know on Item #6 it states it would not be a shoestring annexation, what is a
shoestring annexation?
Mayor Kingsford: A shoestring annexation is one that is a very small line, in the State
of Idaho you have to be contigous to the City Limits to annex, what is meant by a shoe-
string annexation is not to just annex the center line to get there.
Bryan: These are sane of my questions and also I think that Locust Grove itself cannot
handle the influx of traffic so I am just here to voice my opposition to this:
Mayor Kingsford: While you are here, we might address your first concern in regards to
irrigation, I will have the City Engineer carenent on the regulations of interrupting
irrigation water:
City Engineer: The developer has to maintain the ditches through the property he is
developing both on a temporary and a permanent basis, he has to conduct that water to
you, if your ditches are interrupted by the development they have to be piped, they
have to be rerouted whatever to conduct the water to you as you received it before
development, the developer should be working with all water users to establish that it
is a acceptable plan to everyone.
Lee Stucker, 2530 N. IAcust Grove Road: Stucker was sworn by the City Attorney:
Stucker: I am one of the aaners of the property so naturally we would expect that the
property should be annexed and the provisions of the developers granted. There are
other reasons why I think it should be annexed, we are in the impact area, we are
adjacent to the City Limits on two sides and. if we anticipate for our children to be
able to stay here, if they choose we must have growth, if we have industrial graath
we must have residential growth to have these opportunities.
Giesler: What time frame are you looking at before you wanted to get going on this
project?
Stucker: To my knowledge that has to be answered by the developers but they have shown
interest in going ahead and doing considerable pre-work, surveying and that type of
thing, so it is their anticipation to move and move rapidly.
Helen Sharp, 2425 Wingate Lane: Sharp was sworn by City Attorney:
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Sharp: Our property abutts up against the property in question, I want it on record that
I am opposed to this subdivision and am opposed for several reasons, I am not sure that
I agree with Mr. Stucker that we need industry here and we need housing to accarociate
people if they are moving in industry. I agree with the traffic problem on Locust Grove
Road and I think it is to bad that there is not someone here from the Highway Departrnent
to address the situation on Locust Grove.I also see a problan on Fairview and Locust Grove,
and if there are two access off LocRist Grove into a subdivision as opposed to having
another exit, it is going to cause, I would think considerable problans. One of the
issues that was brought up to me after the zoning meeting was the ironies that would be
available to the schools and the city because of the annexation and this I question also,
granted there would be tax money and one of the issues is once the development starts it
takes better than a year to get the tax money and if anybody and I would like to know
how many houses have been built and are now in the Meridian School system that is between
Meridian & locust Grove and Fairview and Ustick, not all of that is developed and there
is to be more development there and there is to be a school in ther~nd children in that
area pass two schools to get to Joplin and were told they would have a new school within
three years for their children. We are told we need schools for just. the children we have
now. As far as industry we all know that the Industrial Park on F~rview has not done a
thing. people have lost interest not only because we have a school problahat will
discourage people from caning into the area, if we have a high density t they are
proposing, 250 house in 58 acres, you know what that is going to do to the City and the
School.I am also going to be very blunt and straight forward after talking to a realtor
this week he said it is a go, our imput would mean nothing. That was frem a realtor in
the City of Meridian and I would hate to think these things are going to happen without
the imput of the people of Meridian. We have been in Meridian several year and we like
what we have here, we like the quiet country living, that is why we moved out on Wingate
Lane: I am for moving forward and progress but I am questioning this spot annexation to
the City of N~ridian.Because there are houses built on Locust Grove that have not been
annexed and I was also informed that annexation taros about when people request it. I
really feel spot annex is not going to help us. It says the water maintenance would be
done and handled by the developer and my question would be for how long. After the
project is canpleted who takes care of it? I really feel that though progress is not to
be halted, this is not the time for two hundred and fifty houses in fifty eight acres
right there in that area.
Dale Sharp, 2425 Wingate Lane: Sharp sworn by City Attorney:
Sharp: I attended the Planning & Zoning Meeting on this and was told by than that the
only thing they could consider was whether or not what they were doing was legal, I said
there was no sense of us being here because you are not interestedi.n our input so they
backed off, I just want this on record, I am opposed to this subdivision .especially with
the speed in which it is being proposed, you have 258 houses and say four or five people
per house and probably three of those will be children, that is really going to have
an impact on our schools. The additional traffic is only. going to create more problems
on Locust Grove, when you get two accesses to .Locust Grove fran 258 Houses that is a
considerable amount of traffic, they say this is the Highway District's problan, I
think it is the City of Meridian, if you are going to annex than, North Locust Grove
becaros a City Street, does it not?
Mayor Kingsford: It is still the Highway District, none of the Cities in Ada County'
have their streets any more.
Sharp: Doesn't Boise City?
Mayor Kingsford: They do not have than, Kuna does not have than, we don't:
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Sharp: Regardless it is going to create a real problan there, I have a sublateral that
goes through my place on Wingate Lane which goes right into that subdivision and I
question whether or not any development caould continue that on , you say they are
responsible to cagy it down to the farmers and so forth. There is a road along the
canal and I am really concerned that if you put a subdivision in there those
subdivision people will be using that road.YOU say that is my problan, that's my
problem, but if you approve this annexation then you are making it my problem.
As far as progress yes, but I question the spot zoning that you are doing here, you
say you are only doing at requestthen that means that there could be a hundred acres
right around the heart of the city and nobody request it might not be annexed for
fifty years.YOU cane dawn Fairview and there are open spaces.
Dave Collins, 204 North Alantic, Boise: Collins was swrorn by the City Attorney:
Collins: I am the engineer for the developer, I thought I would address a couple of issues
or answer any questions you might have about things that have been brought up this
evening, at the present time we have developed the roadway plans for the project which
includes improvanPnts along North Locust Grove Road, working with ACHD and also working
with your City Engineer to implement the Transportation Planning Camtittee's rearmlend-
ations fran the City of Meridian to provide for future widening of North Locust Grove,
at the present time that is minor arterial status, which requires a 66 ft right-away,
we will be providing a additional seven feet in reservation for future right-away.
the section in front of the subdivision will be built with a full 33 ft right-away,
which is two lanes of traffice plus curb, gutter & sidewalk the additonal seven feet
will be landscaped and maintained by the home owners association until such time as it
would be needed as right-away. The 58 acres all lies within the Urban Service Planning
Area, the irrigation issue, I have been in cx>ntact with Nampa Meridian, the sublateral
will not be effected in this phase #I: It will be a* least a year before we move north
to where that lateral is, we have discussed providing easements for this as well as
intentions to engineer a piping system for this. The ditch on the south wanders on and
off the property we are developing now, that will be maintained on a continous basis,
Giesler: Would you have any idea when that road would be reconstructed?
Collins: That would be up to Ada County Highway District:
Giesler: Do you know whether there has been any study made on the intersection with
Fairview Ave how long before there would be the possibilty of a light being installed?
Collins: I do not know whether they have done traffic studsies but I do know there is a
given level of service they will achieve and then realize they need a signalization;
at that location.
Collins: One other point I would like to clarify, it is 225 residential lots not 250:
It is just below four dwelling units per acre and it was requested on a R-8 with the
stiputalion by the developer that he would not request any duplex units in this So
we are restricting it fran duplex units. The restrictions we received from the City,
ACHD and Nampa Meridian we have no problans with.
Morrow: Did that include consolidating sane of the Street Names, clarifing those with
the Fire Department.
Collins: Those have all been approved by the Street Name Ca~mittee.
City Clerk: They have been approved by the Ca~titte of which the Fire Department is
a member;
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Collins: We would be willing to look at the name issue, at the present time two of the
names we carry in there are in alignment with an existing street name.
Giesler: I see our Fire Department has not signed off that document and whether they have
approved it or not I would wish that it be signed off by than.
Dan Wood, 628 Lawndale, Wood was sworn by the City Attorney:
Wood: Basically I just have saw questions, in phase I the drainage ditch, so far
everyones talked about irrigation water, the drainage ditch to the south of this phase.
What are you going to do there? Is that going to be piped?
Collins: It will be piped about the last 160 to North Locust Grove.
Wood: The Monroe property and my folks property, the Woods drain infra the ditch that runs
parallell with the Hosac and the property you are going to develop.
Collins: It is the same thing with drainage, you cannot cut off anyones drainage.
Wood. Right now it is hard to drain as is, with what you are saying I think, you will do
phase I and maybe when you get done with phase II I asswne then you will address the
problan, is that correct?
Collins: As we do the project:
Wood: Basically what happens if everybody has put fences up along there, are we going to
go through the back of everybody's property and put pipe through there?
Collins: Actually most of the line lies on the Hosac property?
Wood: The drainage ditch?
Collins: Yes, where you plot the legal line not the fence:
Woood: Then it would be basically whoever develops the Hosac property are the ones who
will have to worry about it?
Collins: We are not cutting off any available drainage to any land.
Wood: The only ones it is going to effect~eally is it is going to effect the have
owners in the respect that basically the water is going to drain that way no matter what.
It is going to effect than, if it is plugged up it will back up all over their yards.
It sears to me it would be an issue that would have to be resolved whether it is Hosac
property problan or +-his development. With the way they are going to develop this
property are they planning on enough capacity I guess for the interior develolment,
the interior property~in that area, meaning sewage and those type of things.
City Engineer: Not the whole section of land, because it does not all drain that way
but it will have to be of such size that it will take to at least our urban service
boundry, which is the middle section line.
Mayor Kingsford: It is our policy to require a developer to oversize so that it
will handle other properties.
Wood: One of the things I read with the R-8 I understand the owner is going with this
because the odd shape of sane of the lots, there is basically with one of the pimple
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who previously testified is where you are changing the zoning fran faun ground to
basically where you could have a duplex, I know the City cannot basically governor
the price of banes which you build on a lot so the only way the City can really
canpensate for that is in size of the lot, so I guess one of the things I would like
to see is that it did not have the R-8 Zoning, so that way the lots would be larger.
Meridian has got a fair share of laver priced banes and I would think the City wmtld
encourage maybe higher priced banes if at all possible;
Mayor Kingsford: We do this, the issue and they are going to record this on the. Plat
that they will not put duplexes, the issue is because of our Ordinances now an R-4
lot requires a certain amount of frontage, sane of those lots are irregular and will
not meet thos requirements. So it was our Zoning AcAninstrator's advise that would be
the easiest way to deal with it. Do not let them build more than four units per acre,
you give than an R-8 Zone and then you handle that pmblan with regard to the frontage.
Wood: So we will not have to worry about any duplexes?
Mayor Kingsford: No.
City Clerk: It will be recorded right on the plat:
wood: I guess the other question and I am sure you. have already discussed it like the
City services, schools, fire department, police, everybody gave their input as to
they can expand with the two hundred and so more houses eventually?
City IIigineer: As far as the water & sewer department:
City Clerk: The Police Departrnent and Fire Departrnent did not have any real problans
with it, I do not know about the School District:
Wood: Isn't the time now when you should have the feedback fran all those departments?
I am in favor of growth, but at the same token and I am sure everybody is concerned
with can the volunteer fire departrnent handle the 250 houses?
Morrow: I can address sane of your issue in regards to the Fire Department and sane of
the irrigation things, recently in regards to irrigation we have taken the position as
the City that each property owners is responsible to make sure that the water amtinues
at an unanpeded flow down steam to the next property if that property owner does not
make sure that service continues the City can send than a letter and if they still do
not ca~ly then the City can have the the ditch cleaned and place a lein on the
property and collect with the property taxes. We have taken those steps because of
problen in the older part of town. In terms of the Fire Department, I am the Fire
Camiissioner what we have been involved with over the last six months with the Rural
Fire and the City is a long term plan that should last 30 to 40 years denoting sane
four other fire station locations, of one which we have already acquired, we are making
plans and budgeting funds last year and this year towards our next fire trucks
basically our planning in terms of fire protection for the City of Meridian and greater
Meridian to and including the rural area pretty much have been accanplished for the
next several years. All the property which is currently annexed and zoned as well as
property in our planning area are incorporated in those plans. So in answer to your
questions yes they have been taken into consideration and have been covered.
Wood: Going back to the drain ditch then, my understanding with what you were saying
it is going to be each individual lot owners responsibility to make sure that the
ditch is that correct or are you saying that upstream people are responsible?
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Morrow: No, let me give you an le, if there is a ditch or drain ditch that
serves property and it goes throug persons property, that person is responsible
to make sure that the ditch transports the water through his property una~eded
in this particular develognent the developers would be responsible for making sure
that those ditches were sized correctly to carry the heads of water, the ones that
went through individual lots , the individual lot owner vrould be responsible for
making sure that that ditch was cleaned and that the flow of water was unimpeded
we specifically spell that out by Ordinance.
There was additional discussion:
Wood: Basically I would like to see larger lots and my main concern would be the
drainage ditch.
Mayor Kingsford; Anyone else who wishes to offer testimony on this request? There was
no response, the Public Hearing was closed. Council Members we have hean3 a great deal
of testimony this evening, it would be my recarmendation that we have a motion to have
the City Attorney prepare Findings on this issue.
The Motion was made by Giesler and seconded by Tolsma to have the City Attorney prepare
Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law on the request for annexation and zoning by
Interwest Financial and Stockers;
Motion Carried: All Yea:
Item # 4: Public Hearing: Variance Request by Gary & Pamela mock:
Mayor Kingsford: I will naw open the Public Hearing: Is there a representative
present, if so would you cane forward and be sworn:
Gary Smock, 2541 West Chateau, 9nock was sworn by the City Attorney:
SYnock: We are requesting a fence variance on the east side of our property to allay
a six foot fence, the evening I received recazanendation fran the City Engineer that
recannend a 10 foot setback from the sidewalk, I do not have a problem with that, I
would like a clarification: It states that site distance from Maxie Place onto
Chateau is not impeded by the placement of the fence, but there is a problem with
vision of the homeowner behind us:
City Engineer: That is wrrect:
Smock: When it says 10 foot setback, I am familiar with that, where the line of site is
a 10 foot setback there, our property is not square v~rould it be possible for us to square
out our fence fran that point, start at that 10 foot point and as we go toward the
front of our house make our fence square instead of getting very narrow at the front of
the house.
City Engineer: I guess the intent was to have it just 10 feet along the back of the
sidewalk. i did not follow the bearing of the street I did not look at that, i did
not position the driveway on the property to the south of you.
9nock: If with pulling out with a vehicle the line of sight is to the corner, wouldn't
the line of sight follow straight down the fence, that would allay us to square it out.
Start out at 10 feet and the difference would be approximately four feet closer to the
sidewalk where the other corner of the fence is.
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City Engineer: Then there would still be a line of sight to the intersection?
Smock: Yes, there would still be a line of sight to the intersection, the fence would
not extend out to the sidewalk at any point: It would end closer because of the angle:
City Engineer: I would have to look at that, our concern was that the people that live
in the house to the south of you would have to cross the sidewalk when backing out
before they could see to the north.
Phyllis Purvis, 2217 Maxie Place: Purvis was sworn by the Ctiy Attorney:
Purvis: I am located to the. south of the 9mck's, I am concerned about them placing a
six foot fence along my driveway, every time I would back out of my driveway there would
be children playing and I would not be able to them and also any cars caning around the
corner, there is just no way I could see and it would be a hazzard and also the safety
of the children playing on the sidewalk. The Ordinance calls for a three foot fence.
It is for safety reasons that I am wncerned.
Tolsma: I think this is what the City Engineer was eluding to on the ten foot setback.
Mayor Kingsford: The major reason for that Ordinance, is our concern and the Public
Hearing is the same as yours and that is safety.
Tolsma: Is your driveway to the North or the South of the property?
Purvis: My garage is on the north side of the house.
Giesler: I went by there and i am not sure that I would not like to look at this again
after this testimony. I did not particular have a problem the way the City Engineer had
it outlined.
Mayor Kingsford: I think maybe an appropriate way to handle. this would be approve it
conditionally maybe upon a calgnittee, I think we need to have Findings, if you
Councilman Giesler would be willing to do that could I get you and the Chief and the
City Engineer along with the Smocks in working out an arrangement that is satisfactory
to everyone.
Giesler: That would be fine:
Mayor Kingsford: Anyone else fran the public who wishes to testify, there was no response,
the Public Hearing was closed.
The Motion was made by Morrow and seconded by Myers to have the City Attorney prepare
Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law and have the formentioned CarH:ti.ttee work with
the property owners and neighbors to resolve this issue.
Notion Carried: All Yea:
Item #5: Public Hearing: Preliminary & Final Plat Golf View Estates:
Mayor Kingsford: At this time I will open the Public Hearing, is there anyone in the
audience who wishes to testify on this request?
Gary Lee, 1990 Turnberry Way: Lee was worn by the City Attorney:
Lee: I am the project Engineer fran JUB Engineers, the location of this project is
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North of Cherry Lane and just west of Cherry Lane Village, this project is a little over
12 acres, will consist of 30 single family lots, the density on the property is about
2.5 units per acre, the average lot size will be 12,000 to 13,000 square-feet, the access
to the property will be fran Cherry Lane Village fran Incline Way and also an access
off Cherry Lane, street will be i~roved to ACHD requiranents including a trust fund
set up for Cherry Lane, irrigation to the property consists of Settlers Lateral and
we have been in contact with than to establish a pipe line diversion around the property,
Snaford Lateral the only thing we will have to install a culvert at Incline Way, the rest
of it will be fenced on the West side of the lateral. Development will be serviced with
City water & sewer, we have done an evaluation on the lift station in Cherry Lane Village
to assure the City Engineer that there is capacity to handle this first phase. We will
also install a dry line at a deeper depth so that at sane point probably in phase 2 we
will be able to develop a new lift station and divert all the waste fran Cherry Lane
Village through this property to a new point of collection. The entry way, there will be
a reserve strip along Cherry Lane 30 feet wide, which is where the pipe Settlers Lateral
will be located, it will also be a harmed and landscaped entry way.
Mayor Kingsford: I would just offer up one thing in regards to the name, I have had
a number of people who have called in and expressed sane oanplaints about the name in
that you are capitalizing on the Golf Course, I assured than it happens all the time.
I thought you ought to know that. The other thing I might pass along in the way of
thought the Mayors scheming on a way to build the second nine out there, we would like
you to think about a lot development fee consideration on that, if we approach fran a
standpoint of a revenue bond that we might retire than fran making the second nine by lot
development fee. I have addressed that to the aaners of adjacent property in the current
golf course and future expansion. I think it is appropriate that you be considered in
that as it would increase the salability of your property there.
Myers: I have a question on the burro you are putting along Cherry Lane, who is going
to maintain that?
Lee: There will be a Ham O,aners Assocaition established to provide irrigation for the
landscape area as well as maintain it.
Tolsma: Have you resolved your pmblans with Settler's .Irrigation?
Lee: I have been working with the manager of Settler's Irrigation to resolve that issue
and Mr. Summer Johnson is meeting with than tonite and fran the managers point of view
there wasn't any problan. Fran an engineering standpoint I believe we have this resolved.
Mayor Kingsford: Is there anyone else fran the public who wishes to offer testimony on
this request? There was no response, the Public Hearing was closed.
Tolsma: Has all the recannendation of the City Engineer been adhered to?
City Engineer: I have the development plans for the sewer & water and am in the process
of reviewing than naa, one of the concerns we have is the manner the sewage is going to
be handled, we have sane parallell lines.
Mayor Kingsford: I would certainly recannend that if the Council inclination to approve
this that it be conditioned upon the City Engineer has worked out an acceptable piping
plan.
Giesler: I had a question as to whether .the City Attorney had an opportunity to review
the covenants for this.
City Attorney: The covenants that were forwarded to me did not have any reference to a
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Homeowners Assocation, you are not going to have a Hanea~mers Association, how are you
going to maintain that front burin?
Dennis Marshall: If I recall it would be the developers:
City Attorney: That was just one catment, in section 3B, it says no trailer ,basement
shack and etc will be allowed as a residence whether temorary or permanent this tends
to allow those types of uses though even not as residence, this is in conflict with
3A and then the City Engineer had sane cannents also.
Marshall: This was not the intent, we will be glad to change that wording.
Mayor Kingsford: I would recmmend that you set up a Haneowners Association even if
the developer agrees to maintain for a certain amount of time or until 'the subdivision
is built out after that saneone has to take care of that.
Marshall: We will do that; As to your question on the golf course, we will discuss
that, I do not think we will have a problan on that.
City Engineer: The name of the declarant is defferent than those shown on the plat,
there is a problem with the legal on line eight of that description, section 7, iaem
C, reads that piped ditches can only be located in street right-away, the preliminary
plan of Settlers ditch piping is not that way, in section 10, the four feet should
be 3 feet, and the twenty five feet should be 30 feet.
The Motion was made by Myers and secoixled by Morrow to approve the prel;m;narv and
final plat on Golf View Estates with the condition-that the City Engineers & City
Attorneys camients be incorporated.
Motion Carried: All Yea:
Rent #6: Covenants on Golf View Estates:
Mayor Kingsford: It probably would be appropriate to approve those as discussed and
the camients incorporated within:
The Motion was made by Myers and se~nded by Giesler to approve the Covenants for
Golf View Estates conditioned upon review of the City attorney:
Motion Carried: All Yea:
Item #7: Downtown Parking:
Mayor Kingsford: Chief would you advise the Council what has happened?
Police Chief: Has all the Council received the letter and map that I placed in their
box, there is a small error I failed to circle two signs by the Masonic Temple on
Second Street, all the signs on the east side of Second Street we were ask~l to remove.
There were sane businessman that would like us to remove sane of the restricted parking
in that area.
Ted Kildaw, Elite Cleaners:
Kildow: I have had a definite parking problem since I bought the cleaners, since the
twv hour parking has been enforced I have not had a problen, I have no objection to
the Masonic signs being removed, mostly my side of the street services most of the
businesses as they are located dean that side and I am sure they have no complaints
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about removing those signs, without downtown parking that cae can use for our custaners,
I mean employees parking is alright employees can walk, most of the businessman down
there realize that we have to have custaner parking closer ti~~ employee parking
because we need convenience for our custaress.
Myers: When we first met on this, we were talking about on your crorner where the
cleaners are about fifteen minute rather than two hour parking, did that idea go by
the wayside?
Kildow: Yes, it seen like everybody is obeying the two hour, they are staying out of
there, the biggest problen was the full time employees staying in there all day, since
the two hour is being enforced they are parking other places.This has opened up this
area.
Kent Anderson, representing Caanercial Newspaper Service:
Anderson: I have observed and watched very closely this area the past couple of days,
what is indicated on the Chief's map, basically what we have done is prpeared a
synopsis of the area in question and have divid~l it into half block area all these
areas at this time have two hour parking on them with the exception of the half block
that is across from the old medical clinic, we had people check these areas on the hour
and count the number of cars that were using these areas, all the areas were used less
than 30~ of the time with two execeptions those being the hal£ block in front of the
Post Office, and the half block accross fran the Post Office on 2nd Street, niether one
of these are being proposed for removal, we have a total of 83 parking spots in the
downtown area and we are proposing less than half of those be freed up so they can be
utilized on a full time basis, the idea of keeping that half block on 2nd Street by the
Cleaners and not changing the parking on Idaho Street leaving the two hour restriction
on it, is more than adequate for us, we taking the position that the east side of 2nd
between Idaho Street & Pine needs to be removed and it will give us the benefit we need
the other businessman that were at the meeting the other night have requested that the
other end by Broadway also be renoved. We support this,
Myers: I think when we orginally put this together was to take those signs out and
mainly for people working in the downtaan area to be able to park there.
There was discussion on this.
Kildow: I have score concern about not having any restrictions in front: of the Masonic
Hall, during the peak hours it is used not only for my business but for the Post Office.
Mayor Kingsford: It is probably appropriate to consider at least a couple or three
spaces there just for those people that ne~1 to get in and out, the Masonic people
themselves.
Item #8: Ca~ments on Counci]man Morrow request on Fences, Trailer Courts & Pressurized
Irrigation Systems:
Mayor Kingsford: I will begin with a couple of comments, in regards to fences I think
it might be appropriate to have a fence cacmittee to review those and then have appeals
by the City Council, I think the Committee probably should wnsist of the Chief of
Police, the City Engineer and one menber of the Council, in regards to the trailer
houses I think we need to have then at least five feet apart. I also think that we
need to be looking at a long range pressurized irrigation plan.
Myers: Do we have to make an amendment to the Ordinace to set up a fence c~[nittee?
Mayor Kingsford: Yes:
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Myers: I think we ought to have a fence camLittee rather then the variance procedure.
City Engineer: All the fence variances we have received deal with corner lots, I do not
knaa whether it is in our jurisdiction to request corner lots be a percentage larger
than the interior lots or not but it seems to be a regularly occurring probl~n for fence
variance on corner lots because the house is faced with the problem of setbacks on tvro
sides. Whether or not you would want to consider that but that sort of thing might
reduce the requests we have for variances.
Morrow: I think the logistics of trying to make one lot larger than the other fran an
engineering standpoint are tough and I think if a person has nine thousand feet he is
going to want to fence 8,900 and if he has got 10,000 feet he is going to want to
fence 9,900. I think the problem is inherent in the exposure on both sides.
There was additional discussion on this:
Myers: On the trailer courts i think the five feet is about as small as we can get away
with:
Morrow: Five feet fran unit to unit:
Myers: Yes:
There was additional discussion on this:
Giesler: I agree with what you have said and the other cam~ents that have been made,
while we are talking about that mobile bane, what recourse do we have?
Mayor Kingsford: It is there, it is skirted, they have moved the fence but that is not
the whole issue, I am not sure it should stay there.
Giesler: I think we could possibility be setting a precedent there if we let it stay,
plus also causing a problem for the neighbors, I feel they definately have their right
to their area in there where they feel safe.
Mayor Kingsforel: I have every bit of sympathy for the lady that was on the east side, they
move that trailer in and encroached four or five feet that she used to have, pu+ a *+ane
right up next to it sideways where it basically looks into her bane, I do not tYLiiik that
is right.
Morrow: I think the other thing is we can resolve that issue from the standpoint that it
is not safe for our emergency service people in the way it exists now and it seems to me
fran that standpoint alone that we should have sane provision to have that situation
corrected.
City Attorney: If it is a safety hazzard, I think we can have it removed:
Mayor Kingsford: Lets move post haste on getting Ordinances made to cover these items:
Myers: Is there any problem getting an Ordinance together on allowing alcohol permits
in the Park?
Mayor Kingsford: Ok:
City Clerk: Are you going to have the Pressurized Irrigation in the Zoning & Aevelognent
Ordinance or a separate Ordinance?
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City Attorney: I think it would be appropriate to have it in the Develognent Ordinance:
City Clerk: If it is in the Develognent Ordinance and amendment has to be started at
the Planning & Zoning level:
Morrow: I have one other question in regards that came up with regards to Subdivisions.
it is in terms of whether we are taking Leters of Credit or requiring Bonds to be posted.
in the particular case a Letter of Credit was taken, for future stuff the problems with
Letters of Credit~is that if we forClose on a Letter of Credit and pursue doing the work
we have to manage the project, if we require Preformance Bonds it is simply a matter of
a phone call to the Bonding Canpany. It seen we need to develop a policy should this
occurr in the future.
Mayor Kingsford: It has been my understanding that where it has been used there is a real
problen in getting that bond done, I would rather deal with having the cash in hand an
irrevocable Letter of Credit and lets manage it.
There was additional discussion on this:
Mayor Kingsford: Lets really look at this pressurized irrigation system:
Department Reports:
Mayor Kingsford: I guess nothing formal was done on the parking, we need to take scene
kind of action on that:
The Motion was made by Myers-and seconded by Tolsa to proceed with the Police Cheif's
plan on having the signs ranoved as he has outlined, a recacmendation to ACRD:
Motion Carried: All Yea:
Planning & Zoning Chairn~l: As you look at these carmittees, it might be good if we
could participate on them in some way or another:
Mayor Kingsford: As we look at that Ordinance maybe a manber of the Planning & Zoning
instead of a Councilman:
City Attorney: The Police Chief was approached by sane door to door salesman, I would like
authorizationta go ahead with sane kind of an amenc7nient to our Green River Ordinance.
Mayor Kingsford: Go ahead along with the others.
City Attorney: The other thing I would bring up would be the request for the City
Attorney's Office.
Mayor Kingsford: The Council did receive back in June when I asked for budgets fran the
different department, a request fran the City Attorney that his budget for next fiscal
year be increased.
Giesler: As most of his budget canes out of the Police Department, Chief Gordon & I
have gone over the increase being asked of our department and we see no reason we can
not make those increases work, we did not get it budgeted properly_ but I feel that tae
will be able to handle the increase.
The Motion was made by Giesler and seconded by Morrow to grant the City Attorney's fee
increase as requested.
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Mayor Kingsford: I would just like to offer this in regard to the one that effects us,
materially at least and I hear a certain amount of cannent about and in regard to the
develolarient, the pass through issue, I have no problem with that I guess, I would like
for you to look at and work in conjunction with the City Clerk that sane of the minor
things that we do that we maybe able to have a set form that we notice in house and that
we can handle sane kind of blanket Findings of Fact & Conclusions where there appears
to be no opposition .and try to cost sane of our people less money on sane of those
minor things.
Motion Carried: All Yea:
Mayor Kingsford: This will be effective the start of the fiscal year:
City Attorney: I am after Nona Debaron for a response on the other matter, she is to be
doing it but I have not received it.
Mayor Kingsford; If you do not get an answer on that, lets proceed the other way:
Giesler: I would just like to thank Chief Gordon for all his work on the parking.
The Mayor and Council incurred:
Tolsma: Reported on the APA Meeting and about the bridges.:
Being no further business to cane before the Council the Motion was made by Myers and
seconded by Nlormw to adjourn at 9:40 p.m.
Motion Carried: All Yea: (TAPE ON FILE OF THESE PINGS)
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W.L. "BILL" GORDON
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September 13, 1989
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Meridian Merchants
RE: Downtowp'Patking
The early part of July 19$9 Mayor Kingsfprd had Mike Justice,
with Commercial Newspaper'`in Meridian, contact me about a parking
problem in the downtown area. (2 .hour limit)
Mr. Justice'wanted'some othe two:houx limited parking
removed on E. ?nd -Street and Idaho street.
I contacted-some of the business people`in tha downtown area
with Mr, 3ustice's idea,' No one was opposed *o the-idea of increasing
the unlimited parking, #ut each"had their own ideas
I talked to Police Commissioner Bob Giesler and we decided'to
have a meeting with all `the downtown merchants on the 6th of September
1989 in the Council Chambers at I9:~0 hours.
Ken Anderson from Commercial Newspaper and Ken Thompson with Audio
Electronics were the only two business people that attended. Bob
Giesler and L were also there.
The meeting eonc3.uded with the following tecotmnendations;"
1. Idaho Street - no change '
2. E. 2nd Street -:remove the 2 hour parking igns'_oa both
sides--from Broadway north: to the alley (one haif•block,
6 signs) and on bath sidAs;frum Pine to the alleys south,
(2 signs). (See aftaci~scl drowning)
3. Broadway - remove ~w~ gds
The meeting was ad3ourned wit3> C"~e suggestion that the business
people bring their ideas to the Ae31ti council meeting.
Respectfully,
l~1J ~~
W.L. "Bill" Gor on
Chief of Police
The downtown parking problem is on the Meridian City Council agenda
September 19, 1989, 7:30 p.m. in the Council Chambers at City Hall,
33 E. Idaho.
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