HomeMy WebLinkAbout2008 04-08Meridian Citv Council Special Workshop Meetinq April 8, 2008
A meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order at 5:30 p.m., Tuesday, April
8, 2008, by President Charlie Rountree.
Members Present: Tammy de Weerd, David Zaremba, Keith Bird, and Charlie
Rountree.
Members Absent: Joe Borton.
Others Present: Bill Nary, Jaycee Holman, Anna Canning, Matt Ellsworth, Jeff Lavey,
Steve Siddoway, Keith Watts, Joe Silva, Tom Barry, Kyle Radek, Colin Moss, Allison
Kaptein, and Dean Willis.
Item 1: Roll-call Attendance:
Roll call.
X David Zaremba Joe Borton
X Charlie Rountree X Keith Bird
X Mayar Tammy de Weerd
Rountree: We will open the special workshop meeting of April 8th. We have no clock.
It must be about 5:30. Okay. It's 5:30. City clerk, roll call attendance.
Item 2: Adoption of the Agenda:
Rountree: Next item on the agenda is the adoption of the agenda.
Bird: Mr. President?
Rountree: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I move we approve the agenda as published
Zaremba: Second.
Rountree: Moved and seconded to approve the agenda. All those in favor? Opposed
same sign? Okay. Got an agenda.
MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Item 3: Proclamation for Renaissance Magnet High School's Skills USA
Team
Rountree: Third item on the agenda is the proclamation for Renaissance Magnet High
School Skills USA Team. And, Mayor, I'm going to let you read that and present it.
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De Weerd: Okay. Okay. Well, here with us tonight is the Meridian -- well, I guess I'll
just call it the Skills USA Renaissance Team and to some of you they might be familiar
faces, since we just saw them at the Habitat For Humanity fundraiser that helped raise
close to 8,700 dollars and -- for that. Congratulations. That was a great event. That
was really cool. But I did have a proclamation to read and, then, a presentation to the
group and we will ask them to make some comments as well. It's a very worthy
program and Jim Baxter is the one that oversees this whole program. So, Jim, thank
you for being with us as well. Okay. Whereas the City of Meridian is proud to recognize
deserving citizens of this community, especially students who accomplish great things
on behalf of their community and whereas Renaissance Magnet High School Skills USA
students have demonstrated concern and compassion for a Meridian family by
constructing the city's first Habitat For Humanity home, the Meridian build, and whereas
Skills USA Team Renaissance willingly performed numerous hours in planning and
constructing a home during their class time and weekends and whereas Skills USA
Team Renaissance, in collaboration with the Mayor's Youth Council, engaged in special
fundraising efforts to financially support the construction of the Meridian build and
whereas the Mayor and City Council of the City of Meridian acknowledges Skills USA
Team Renaissance and the efforts of their classmates and Mr. Inger's residential
construction class. Therefore, I, Tammy de Weerd, Mayor of the City of Meridian, do
hereby proclaim that today, Tuesday, April 8th, 2008, as Skills USA Team Renaissance
Day in the City of Meridian in recognition of Team Renaissance's excellent achievement
-- outstanding achievement and leadership. And I'd like to present this to the team. So,
if you will all rise and come forward. And, then, I will ask that perhaps each of you can
tell your name, your year in school, and a little bit about yourself. So, congratulations
and good luck in the next competition. We do have pins for each of you. City of
Meridian pins you can wear in your competition. Congratulations. So, if you would like
to --
Inger: Good evening, everyone. My name is Mark Inger. I'm the residential
construction teacher and I'm the one that is truly blessed with the students that I have to
work with this year. They are an outstanding group who took on this project without
hesitation. They came forward, built the home. We did have a bit of a late start, about
five and a half weeks, but that's beside the point. But they have stepped up to the
challenge and they, basically, framed that entire home in three and a half weeks, as I
said before. They did not have any hesitation at all. They continued to fight that
beautiful weather we always had to work with and constantly go fo-ward, as I heard
yesterday from a group of students, gee, Mr. Inger, my hands are purple. We were out
doing the siding in the morning and it was no question, we all know how chilly it is. But
they kept going and that is fantastic. And I have the greatest respect and admiration for
each one of these particular students, even though we have some that could not make it
this evening due to other conflicts at hand. I understand that, as well as, obviously,
everyone else does. We all have busy schedules. So, my hats are off to these fine
youth and, hopefully, we are very successful in our skills competition that will be on
Thursday down at BSU and there is approximately -- oh, gosh. I want to guess about
five to seven thousand students throughout the entire state will be here in competition
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throughout the entire Treasure Valley. They will go anywhere from the Renaissance
Magnet School at formerly the Jabil building, all the way down to BSU out to the airport
for aviation mechanics, and I believe the automotive team is actually in Twin Falls. So,
it's spread out through the entire area. So, with that I will turn the mike over to the next
following fabulous student, Rebecca Henderson.
Henderson: Hi. I'm Rebecca Henderson. I am a junior at Mountain View. This is my
second year in the residential construction class. Next year will be my third. And I'm
just hoping to be a construction manager one day, so -- Mallory.
Binford: ! am Ma!!ory Binford, I am also a junior at Mountain View. When I first signed
up for this class, you know, building a house does not really sound like what it is. I
mean you sign up for it and you get there and all it is is cement and you kind of get
overwhelmed at first, but, then, it's really not as hard as it sounds and mostly just don't
limit yourself to what you think can you do, because I think that's what a lot of high
school students do. But this kind of opened my eyes to the fact that really you can
really do anything. So, that's all I--
Pogue: My name is Taylor Pogue and I'm a senior over at Mountain View. This year
was my first year in the residential construction class and I'm sad that it is my last year,
but going on to bigger and better things, so -- through this class, though, I have learned
a lot. There is a lot of experiences that you just -- you don't get anywhere else,
especially in high school. Job site experience, you know, everything. We do it all. So,
it's amazing what you can learn through this class and how much fun it can actually be.
Mr. Inger's great to us and gives us a hard time sometimes, but all in all it's a fun class,
so --
Inger: That's the other Inger.
Pogue: I mean you just -- you learn so much and, like Mallory said, there is just -- there
is so much that you do that you never would have thought you could have done before
and so many new experiences where you can really find out what you're capable of.
And I think it's an amazing possibility and I'm just thankful that I had the opportunity to
be in this class this year.
Combs: Hi. My name is Josh Combs and I'm from Meridian and this is my second year
being -- I'm a sophomore. Yeah. Sorry. This is my second year being in this class. I
have to -- in this class two more years and I got to this class from Mr. Inger's net tech
class, he -- I guess he liked how I worked in that class, so -- that's all I have to say.
Sorry.
De Weerd: Mr. President, I guess before they take off totally, it was -- or after they have
left.
Rountree: They are gone.
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De Weerd: It was -- it was when I went over to a ribbon cutting on behalf of the city over
in Boise at their habitat program in recognition of the Meridian High School -- or the
Meridian School District's construction class that we really maintained a goal that we
would have a habitat home in this community at one point. I think many of you know
that because it happened here at a City Council meeting that Don Hubble stood up after
hearing a city -- the student council -- or our youth council members talk about their
goals and their project for habitat that he donated the lot, which really made this project
and the first Meridian build possible. So, it started in this room, we thought it was
appropriate to recognize it in this room as well. So, we appreciate you being a part of
that.
Item 4: CONSENT AGENDA
(a) Award Bid / Approve Contract for Parks Security System to
The Security Group for a not to exceed amount of $24,999.00
(b) Award Bid / Approve Contract for Settler's Park Maintenance
Bldg to Haemker General Construction for not to exceed
amount of $99,450.00
(c) Award Bid / Approve Contract for Heroes Park Construction to
Boise Excavation for not to exceed amount of $149,936.56
(d) Award Bid / Approve Contract for Adventure Island
Playground Phase 4 to Haemker General for a not to exceed
amount of $288,000
Rountree: It's a great program. Thank you, Mayor. And they have all left, so I guess
we won't say anymore about that. Next item on the agenda is the Consent Agenda.
Bird: Mr. President?
Rountree: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Before I make a motion to approve the Consent Agenda, City Clerk, has
everything been signed, sealed, and delivered on these contracts?
Holman: Councilman Rountree, Councilman Bird, I believe so. I would ask --
Bird: Okay.
Rountree: Keith do you have any input on that?
Watts: Yes. The contracts for the Parks Department, the four contracts that we are
asking for approval on, have been signed by myself; the department, and the contractor.
They are ready to go.
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Bird: Okay. Mr. President?
Rountree: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I move that we approve the Consent Agenda, the contracts, and for the Mayor to
sign and the clerk to attest.
Zaremba: Second.
Rountree: It's been moved and seconded to approve the Consent Agenda. All those in
favor? Opposed same sign? Consent Agenda is approved
MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Item 5: COMMUNITY ITEMS / PRESENTATIONS:
(a) Tour of New City Hall Building Construction
Rountree: Next item on the agenda are community items and we get to tour the City
Hall. If there is objections, I guess we can go do that now, Gene, unless you want to
say something. Get us organized so we know what we are doing.
De Weerd: If you can speak into the mike, Gene.
Bennett: We are ready to conduct that tour. Your monthly report on the progress and
the bids that we received a week and a half ago are in your booklet there and we are
ready to conduct the tour. We are also ready with City Council's approval to award the
contracts to the low bidders for the water feature and also for the pavers and also for
the concrete.
Rountree: Any questions or further comments. Keith?
Watts: Yeah. I'd like to bring to you -- I don't think this is working.
Rountree: It's on.
Watts: Is it? Okay. Bring to your attention in the water feature we did have a low
bidder come in who did not sign the acknowledge addendum and used the wrong bid
form, so he was excluded from the -- from the process. Just wanted to make you aware
of that. So, we -- our low bidder was the second low, as we had to throw them out.
Bird: Do you want to take them now?
Rountree: Unless there is an objection, we can consider those at this point before we
move over to City Hall.
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Watts: That would be good. Yes.
Bird: I would have no objection. I think we ought to do it.
Rountree: Okay.
Bird: Can you just read them off?
Rountree: Do you want to read off the --
Watts: Yes, sir.
Rountree: -- the bids and the --
Bird: The numbers?
Rountree: -- the numbers.
Watts: Okay. For the water feature we have MR Mellor. The dollar amount was
216,775 dollars. For the carpentry building insulation and gypsum assemblies, the low
bidder is American Wall Cover for 8,400 dollars. For the roofing and flashing we have
Pro Tech at 10,495 dollars. For moisture protection -- excuse me -- moisture protection
and water proofing we have Seal Co for 3,028 dollars.
Bird: What was that price again?
Watts: The amount?
Bird: Yeah.
Watts: It was --
Bird: Three thousand --
Watts: -- 3,028 dollars.
Bird: Okay.
Watts: For painting we have Commercial Painting Contractors, Incorporated. Dollar
amount was 11,400 dollars. Concrete, we have Axelson, 296,200 dollars. And unit
concrete pavers are Cobblestone Construction, 75,462 dollars. That brings our total
award to 621,760 dollars.
Rountree: Any other comments? Well, I'll take a motion, unless you have something to
add to that.
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Bird: Do you have anything?
Rountree: No.
Bird: Mr. President?
Rountree: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I'd move that we enter into a contract, have the Mayor sign and the Clerk to attest
after the contractors have signed to -- on our plaza to RM Mellor for 215,775 dollars.
Who was the second one? Eighty-four hundred. Who was --
Watts: American Wall Covering.
Bird: America Wall. And Pro Tech for 495 dollars --
Watts: That was -- excuse me. That was 10,495 dollars?
Bird: Ten thousand.
Holman: Excuse me. Keith, could you verify for the record -- I apologize. The water
features with RM Mellor was how much?
Watts: 216,775. Two one six seven seven five.
Holman: Councilman Rountree, Councilman Bird, did you have it as 216?
Bird: I had it at 215, but I had it wrote down here at 216.
Rountree: 216.
Bird: Pro Techs, then, is 10,495 dollars. Seal Co for moisture is 3,025 dollars.
Watts: Three thousand -- that was -- excuse me. That was 3,028 dollars.
Bird: Twenty-eight dollars. Geez, I have been trying to save some money for us.
Commercial Constructors for 11,400. Axleson for the concrete, 296,200 dollars. And
Cobblestone, 75,462 dollars. For a total of 621,760 dollars.
Zaremba: Second.
Rountree: Roll call vote.
Roll-Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Borton, absent.
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MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Rountree: With that, unless you have any further questions on the status of the booklet,
let's reconvene at the New City Hall.
(Recess.)
(b) Update on projects for Lakeview Golf Course - Dick Davis.
Rountree: I'm going to reconvene us from our -- one of our construction projects that
we have got going on and the next item on the agenda is the update on projects at the
golf course. So, Dick, I see you're just ready to get up here and tell us all about what's
happening.
Davis: Oh, boy. Am I ever.
Rountree: Me, too.
Davis: We are -- can you hear me now? Can you hear me now? We are --
De Weerd: We can hear you.
Davis: We are -- yeah. We are still alive and well out at the golf course. We have been
turning a lot of dirt this year. I think doing some great improvements.
De Weerd: You caught my attention.
Davis: Yes. When you couldn't see out your back window.
Bird: I'd debate whether that's an improvement.
Davis: Right. Right. Did Will get those pictures ready to hand out for these people?
Holman: Sir, I don't think so. Let me look and see what I have in my packet here. Oh,
wait. I have copies in my packet.
Rountree: Just pass them around.
Holman: All right. I will pass them down.
Davis: There is Will.
Berg: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, if you look on your computers -- which
you don't have.
De Weerd: It's a workshop.
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Davis: Okay. Anyway, what we -- what we have been doing this year -- I guess this is a
little bragging I want to do here. In the Idaho Business Review, the golf review for the
year, they -- they chose what they called the Divine Nine and this was nine Idaho
signature holes, and how great it would be if they could say all be on one course, which
that certainly isn't going to happen, but -- but we were fortunate enough to have one of
our new holes that we built a couple of years ago be selected as one of the Divine Nine
in Idaho and I mean we are in pretty deep company. Tamarack has one. Circling
Raven in Worley up in northern Idaho has one. And Elkhorn in Sun Valley. So, we --
you know, we felt pretty -- pretty honored that these people would select our number
one hole at Lakeview as one of the nine best new holes -- or one of the nine better
holes in the state of Idaho.
De Weerd: Congratulations.
Davis: Thank you.
Rountree: For a job well done.
De Weerd: It eats all of my balls. Congratulations.
Davis: Right. You know -- and the neat thing about it, my partner Eric called me and
was congratulating me on this and I says, you know, the neat thing about it, by the end
of the summer it won't be the best whole on the golf course. So, that's going to be in
your backyard. We are -- number four we are -- we are expanding the lake on number
four. We have put a bridge in. Built a brand new sand trap to the left of the green and
we are going to build new tee boxes, both for the men and ladies on number four and
that's our major project for this year. It's going to be a really, really gorgeous golf hole.
It's going to be a little tough. I have been hearing lots of complaints from our players
and -- but it's not going to be as tough as they think it is. It is going to be one gorgeous
golf hole. And so we are all done with that, except we got a little -- you know, we got a
little pile of dirt there that we are going to start moving to tee boxes as -- as the people
that did the work for us get some time and we are going to build new tee boxes on four,
five, six and maybe seven and eight. It kind of depends on how far the dirt goes. But
we are -- we are going to build a lot of tee boxes on four. That's going to kind of be our
signature hole. It's going to be a great little par three.
De Weerd: Mr. Chairman?
Rountree: Madam Mayor.
De Weerd: I mean president. Dick, I had thought maybe you would use some of that to
cover the irrigation road access to -- to take it away from that road appearance, so that
people stop driving on it. You know, every once in awhile you see these headlights in
my windows thinking, oh, my gosh, you know, I think it's our Police Department doing
some obscure thing. I don't know if Jeff is here anymore, but --
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Davis: If we have -- that is in the plans to work with the -- work with the irrigation district
and cover that and seed that. I don't know whether we are going to have enough dirt
left over from this project to do that, but that is definitely something we want to do is
make that grass all the way through there. We are actually planning on moving that
three green here in a few years and bringing it -- making it more of a little dog leg there
and have it flow right down into the lake that's there. It's kind of sitting out by itself now.
De Weerd: I like that. Bring it further towards my house.
Davis: Yeah. That's exactly where it will be. Now, those trees you planted are going to
grow up, so probably can't see it. But that's kind of what we want to do and --
De Weerd: I had permission.
Davis: Okay.
De Weerd: By the management.
Davis: Good. You did. But, anyway, that's what we are doing.
Rountree: Before you go on that, Dick, not that I have any personal interest on the new
tee boxes on four, but do you have a drawing of that, so -- last night was rather
interesting. You had a-- a local neighbor out there practicing with his shag bag and his
first ball went off the back of the house. The second ball I think went into a lake. And
his third baN just about got 2,000 dollars worth of windows.
Davis: Oh, my goodness.
Rountree: It bounced off the bottoms of both of the sliding glass doors. So, anyway, I'd
like to get a sense of what's going on, so maybe we can get an idea where to put some
trees.
Davis: Yeah. Yeah. The tee boxes -- we are going to build a lady's tee box at that tree
-- that tree that's up in front of the tee boxes now on the right-hand side, we are going to
build a lady's tee box there. It would kind of -- it would probably be kind of befinreen your
house and Mrs. --
Rountree: Hepper's.
Davis: -- Hepper's house. So, that that plays for the ladies around 130 yards,
something like that. And, then, the men's, we were figuring on building it more to the
right, so they shoot more this way to the -- to the green, more straight to the green than
they do right now. And, then, we are also going to build -- we are thinking of building a
tee box to the -- to the -- right at the back of the pond, the north end of the pond.
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Rountree: That one that's there?
Davis: Yeah. Actually, bring it right to the pond and let it flow into the pond. That's kind
of what we are -- we are thinking we will do and that would be a really gorgeous tee
box. And that would probably be the one we play most of the time, because it's a lot of
water to carry over and it's going to really be a pretty hole.
Rountree: Yeah. I can imagine you're getting a lot of complaints. You get about one in
-- about one in five that don't go down and you retrieve right now.
Davis: Right now. So, we will have to have a drop area, but -- but, anyway, that's what
we are doing on four. We are -- we are -- and, then, the tee boxes on these other holes
we are working on. We -- we've added a little bit to the inside of the clubhouse. If you
haven't been there lately, we -- we put -- actually, it's a movable wal! in there to make it
more of a private dining type area or for civic club meetings, you know, the Kiwanis Club
has asked and Rotary and some of those people about coming out there and meeting
and until we put this wall in, why we never really had a place that they could get away.
And so now we have this wall and I'm pretty proud of the wall. I designed it myself and
we can take it down and put it up in about 15 minutes. It's really a-- really a cool wall.
And it looks nice, too. So, anyway we got a room there for, you know, civic meetings if
they need it or whatever and -- and it's little more private. It cuts the golfers off from the
-- kind of the dining area there. Then the guys have -- the guys we -- we bought a
couple of bunks of railroad ties and we had a bunch of tee boxes that -- that, you know,
over the years the golf carts kept pulling closer and closer to the green and closer to the
green and afl it was was dirt and looked ugly and so we -- we made some curbing with
railroad ties and we are planting grass on the sides of these tee boxes to -- we are
doing that on 11 and 12 -- or around 12 and 13 and we are going to do it on 17 to get --
just get some more grass growing and cover up the dirt that's showing through. Another
thing we did with some of this dirt that we dug out of the pond -- the area befinreen the
eight green and the nine tee box was just horrid. It was just terrible dirt. And so we laid
down about six inches of this good soil that we dug out of the ponds and we are planting
that to grass, so that area wi!! be grass instead of weeds and hard pan and -- and I think
that will -- that will look a lot nicer. A lot of this -- we had problems last year with nine --
the pond on nine and eight leaking and we pumped water into that until we were blue in
the face and never could get water to hold in there and so I had a soils guy out this year
and he says there is some Bentonite in there, but as big as that pond is it's really going
to be tough to hold water, so -- so, we took and we pushed the top four or five inches of
soil from the east end of the pond that was kind of along nine and, actually, didn't come
into place on the golf course to the west end and, then, we packed that all down and we
made that pond smaller and we will know here in a week or two if it's going to hold
water, because the water will be coming in probably Thursday night. It will finally get in
the ditch today. So, we got to get the -- we got to get Keith's grandkids and all the other
kids to pick the balls out of there, so -- anyway. They are planning on doing that
Thursday night.
De Weerd: He's old enough to work there now?
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Davis: What?
De Weerd: He's old enough to work there now?
Davis: Yeah. About.
Bird: Yeah, they --
Davis: So, let's see, what else?
De Weerd: Did he get a new ID, Keith?
Bird: Yeah. I did.
Davis: Oh. Another thing, we are redoing -- we are redoing some of the irrigation
system. We went and bought five new controllers -- big controllers. Four of -- or, let's
see, what is it? Four of them -- what did Rich tell me? Oh. We bought six of them.
Four of them will run 16 different stations and two of them will run 24 different stations.
So, we can -- we can manage the water a little better and -- so, we got those and the
guys haven't put those in yet, but we have got some new areas that we got to water,
you know, where we put the dirt in on nine, we have got to water that, and so -- anyway
-- and, really, this pond on four, it was -- what we did -- there was an area there that had
no irrigation and so we made that a pond and --
Bird: There is some water in there.
Rountree: It looks great.
Davis: Yeah. So, anyway, that's where we are. If you got any questions -- we got a
great website. Take a look at our web. It's golflakeviewgc.com and we had a guy
develop this website this winter and I think it turned out gorgeous, so --
Zaremba: Mr. President?
Rountree: David.
Zaremba: Of course, this is just a personal observation, but the successes in the
number of customers that you have and it looks to me like it's a lot busier than it was a
few years ago -- are your numbers up?
Davis: Oh. Thank you, Dave. Yeah. We -- we never did get a firm figure on what the
rounds were. I tried to -- I tried to get that, but -- but from talking to the people I'm
guessing it was somewhere befinreen 13 and 15 thousand rounds that -- before we took
over and last year we did over 33,000.
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De Weerd: We can tell.
Davis: Oh, yeah.
Zaremba: The success of what you're doing.
Davis: Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Heck, we might even make some money this year. I
don't know. And I just bought ten new golf carts. That's another -- with the increased
play we just ran out of golf carts and I ordered ten more golf carts, so that will give us
55. And Stan's was kind enough to lease me ten until the new ones get here, because
we ran out of golf carts twice already this year and I just hate that when people are --
Bird: There is one over there that you can always use if you -- if it's not being used.
You know that.
Davis: Okay.
Bird: Mr. President?
Rountree: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Dick, I just publicly want to tell you that I appreciate what you do for the kids. Not
only my grandkids, but every kid in the valley. You're nothing but helping. Have
fundraisers for them and being in -- being around that golf course since the day it was
built, I have to tell you it's in the finest shape I have ever seen it and I appreciate what
you have done with the city property.
Davis: Thank you, Keith. Thank you. I really appreciate --
Bird: And, by the way, your restaurant is absolutely fantastic.
Davis: Thank you. We try to.
Rountree: They are leaving nothing for me say. I will second all of the good comments.
Thank you.
De Weerd: I third.
Rountree: And I'll also add that he is a great arborist.
Bird: Well, I don't know about him, but his help.
Davis: Yeah. My help. It's not me.
Bird: He can run the equipment, but shovels aren't too get in his hands.
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Rountree: He hires it done.
Davis: Well, anyway, thank you very much and, you know, we appreciate the work that
-- or the opportunity to team up with people and the opportunity you have given us,
because it's been a ball for me and f love every minute of it. Thank you.
(c) Summary & Update of the SAUSA with the Treasure Valley
Partnership - Charles Nafziger.
Rountree: Thank you. Next item on the agenda is a summary and update of the
SAUSA with the Treasure Valley Partnership and that's Christian Nafziger.
Nafziger: My name is Christian Nafziger. I have been the special assistant United
States Attorney since February of last year. First of all, I'd like to thank Mayor de Weerd
for her participation in the Treasure Valley partnership, who has been instrumental in
doing this and I have tried to make a point to go to each city council and just give a brief
update, since we have just eclipsed our first year, to let you know what we are doing
and what we hope to accomplish in the future. I sent some materials over. I don't know
if -- and so I won't go through that, but I did that just to kind of give you an idea of the
type of cases that we are doing. Generally, the thought process is that the federal court
is an ideal place to send a certain type of criminal defendant, gang members, and
particularly with firearm laws, because federal sentencing guidelines are much stricter
than they are in state court. It's not perFect for every case. A violent crime, obviously,
doesn't have jurisdiction in federal court here in the Treasure Valley and so, you know,
there are no aggravated assaults. There are no drive-by shootings. All that is left to the
states. But we go about it by taking cases that involve firearms and narcotics and
immigration and our goal is to send offenders to prison outside the state of Idaho.
Obviously, there is not a federal prison in Idaho and so everyone who is sent to prison
does their time away. And the majority -- I was a prosecutor for Ada County for five
years before this and it's -- there is some really great things about federal court. I never
thought I could send someone to prison for several years for possessing a bullet and,
you know, without knowing anything more, it sounds -- oh, my gosh, who would go to
prison for a bullet, but someone who has been involved in a life of violence -- very
violent crime, you know, there is no -- with the sentencing guidelines, there is no fear of
probation again or a third or fourth chance. And so I think it's been effective. Actually, I
got out of grand jury today, so there is these five additional people that were indicted
today dealing with firearms to gang members, trafficking firearms, trafficking
Methamphetamine, trafficking cocaine and so the people listed here, as you can see,
most of the sentences, you know, are the round 30 to 40 months. I have some cases
coming up where people are facing mandatory fixed life and so we had some bigger
cases. There is the two major cases that have happened since I came on, as far as a
case in particular where - and there has been others where large amounts of
Amphetamine and firearm trafficking and money laundering has been going on. So, I
don't know if there are any questions that you might have about the program, but I do
think it's -- it's been effective. I appreciate the ability to work with law enforcement for
local, state, and federal. I think that Idaho's doing -- particularly the Treasure Valley is
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doing a great job in partnering up. The metro task force has a Meridian detective
involved -- Detective Harper. I have worked on some cases with him and it's nice to see
when law enforcement kind of gets on the same page and, hopefully, I am someone
that they can all come to when it's gang related and we can see if we can't solve any
problem and hopefully solve larger problems, so --
Bird: Mr. President?
Rountree: Mr. Bird.
Bird: And, Mayor, I want to thank you for getting that information to us. I can't say how
much I appreciate the work you have done in this one year, being a grandfather with
kids and stuff, to see those people get taken off the streets and your success rate of
convictions and stuff was -- was fantastic and I just appreciate the work and I'm glad we
are able to participate and will continue to participate I hope. Thank you very much.
Nafziger: And if there is ever any issues that you have, hopefully, Meridian doesn't
have any immediate problems, but if they are, you know, I hope someone would just
give me a call. You know, there is -- there is sometimes when there is problems that -- I
don't know if all local law enforcement knows exactly who to go to, but if there -- if there
comes to be a problem I-- you know, let me know and we will see what we can do to
address it.
De Weerd: Mr. President?
Rountree: Madam Mayor.
De Weerd: I echo, I think, every mayor and county commissioner in the Treasure Valley
partnership and the partnering agencies, that this program you have really been able to
give it a profile to show that, indeed, if we work together we can make an incredible
difference. So, we appreciate the critical roll that you play in that and it -- it really has
set a precedence to what we can do in other regards as well. But we'd like to think that
our community is immune to what we think goes on around us, but it goes through us
and it does reside here as well, it just hasn't been as prominent. So, the roll you play in
making sure that they have prosecution and they leave the state has been real
important to getting these guys out of the system.
Nafziger: I can let you know it's been sort of a sobering experience. I have lived in
Boise for six years and have been a prosecutor, so I consider myself relatively clued in
on the criminal element, and it's a bigger problem than I had previously thought. I grew
up in St. Louis and, obviously, St. Louis I think was just voted the number one most
dangerous city in the union. And so it's, obviously, not to that level, but -- but the
problem is there and I hope that it's at a stage where we could actually do something.
It's not so big that, you know, we can't get our hands around it. So, thank you for your
support.
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Rountree: Question or comment. I appreciate the work you're doing and really pleased
that we can participate and, hopefully, help in your endeavors. But to your last point,
have you established some sort of inetric to say, yes, in fact, we can quantify that we
are making a difference or is there just an unlimited amount of these kinds of illegal
activities going on in our communities and they are coming in as fast as you're removing
them or is there any way to know?
Nafziger: You know, t would say the best measure that I have been able to tell on -- if
it's making an impact is with the local street crime units with the local police
departments. We have four primary gangs in the Treasure Valley that sort of -- we have
got a lot of smaller gangs, too, that, you know, do different stuff and -- but the four major
gangs that we, one has been for the most part decimated. Just about every person of
importance in that gang is now incarcerated in either federal or state prison. As soon as
you put down one side, another side springs up, but I think that there has been -- I think
the local law enforcement in Caldwell and Nampa and Boise would say that there is a
difference between now and finro years ago. Usually the summer is our -- is where we
stay the busiest and so we are approaching that, so we are approaching that, so it will
be interesting to see if this summer now does not have the number of drive-by
shootings and the number of things that you actually read about in the paper on a
regular basis. Speaking with them, I think that the gig is kind of -- it's not up just here,
but it's kind of on the street level, too. People -- people notice when FBI and ATF
agents start showing up at a local police department. And I think word is out that it's --
you know, at least on the firearms, I hope that public service announcement, you know,
hard time -- or gun crime equals hard time, is reaching the people and I honestly believe
it has. You know, it's not going to stop completely, but I think it can be contained, so --
Rountree: Thank you.
De Weerd: Mr. President?
Rountree: Madam Mayor.
De Weerd: I guess, too, you know, it's made an incredible difference from what others
have reported back, that a lot of these leaders that are being prosecuted are leaving the
state, because in the past it's been they have been incarcerated, but they have been in
the state system and they just run their operations from -- from there. By taking them
out of the area through the federal prosecutor, we have been able to curtail some of that
ability to run their operations from their jail cell.
Bird: Mr. President?
Rountree: Mr. Bird.
Bird: You know, I just -- I can't say enough about what you have done and some of the
other guys that are involved. Tammy -- Tammy and I had an opportunity to ride back
with a-- and talk quite lengthy with one of the guys that are working on the gang -- ex-
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gang member that's working and I think we have seen a decline in not only by taking
them out of state, it would seem to me that it's better, because if they are in our state
prison and not only keep running their stuff, but they get local people that's in there with
them involved in these gangs, so when they get out we have very larger membership. I
could be a hundred percent wrong, but --
Nafziger: I have seen that on -- at this location.
Bird: Yeah. And, you know, I just -- the work you do is fabulous. Just keep it up and I
-- like I said earlier, I'm glad we are able to participate and hope we continue to
participate.
Nafziger: Hopefully f can come back next year and have this summer up and -- well,
hopefully, I'd like to come back and say I'm out of work, but --
Bird: We would be happy for you.
De Weerd: We'd love that.
Zaremba: Mr. President?
Rountree: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: Is there any way to get more publicity for your success rate? I-- if there is a
way to have prevention and scare people off, I would think that would help.
Nafziger: I try to do a press release for every sentencing that I have. It's not always the
case. The majority of these members are gang members. There are people that are
just violent felons and so I try to publicize the gang related cases more. That is, you
know, I think an important deterrent and on the bigger cases we will hold press
conferences and those will, hopefully, be coming up here shortly. So, I'm aware of that
and I'll try to -- try to get as much press as we can out there to let people know that we
are trying and succeeding.
De Weerd: Mr. President?
Rountree: Madam Mayor.
De Weerd: I guess maybe at some point you can get the Treasure Valley partnership
and the chiefs and the sheriffs to stand behind you when you do that and just probably
recount the difference that has been made over this year versus previous years and the
numbers --
Nafziger: We did have a press conference where everyone did stand, although I think
that occurred right about the same time that the Statesman started doing their story
that's now got them for a Pulitzer. So, we sort of took a little bit of a back seat.
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Rountree: So to speak.
Nafziger: Yes. And so, hopefully, next time we do something like that we -- I don't think
I'll have another problem like that again.
Rountree: Any other comments? We won't carry this any further.
Bird: No.
Zaremba: Thank you.
(d) Discussion of Heritage Ball Fields - Parks Department - Steve
Siddoway.
Rountree: Thank you very much. Appreciate your time. Next item on the agenda is the
next round on the Heritage ball fields. Steve. Madam Mayor. Okay.
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree, Dr. Clark couldn't be here with us today and I would like to
postpone this until next week when she can be here.
Rountree: We will do her then.
De Weerd: Okay.
Rountree: Jaycee, if you can take -- we will take a look at that on Friday --
Zaremba: Do we need a motion or can we just --
Rountree: No. I think we can just reschedule it.
(e) Floodplain Ordinance Discussion - Public Works - Kyle
Radek.
Rountree: Public Works ordinance discussion. Kyle.
Holman: President Rountree, Kyle had quite a stack --
Rountree: I think we all got it.
Holman: You did all get copies of that? Because I have more down here if someone
doesn't have it.
Rountree: If somebody needs it.
Bird: I didn't get one.
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Rountree: Okay. Well, you're going to get yours right now. Have you pretty much got
this in your presentation anyway?
Radek: Mr. President, yes, sir. I'm pretty much prepared to walk you guys throtagh the
major changes that we have.
Rountree: Okay.
Radek: Madam Mayor, Mr. President, Council Members, this is kind of a long awaited
thing, so I'm going to -- I'm going to take my time and give you a complete presentation.
Since major flooding -- minor flooding occurred on the Boise River in the spring of 2006,
several local governments in the Treasure Valley have taken a closer look at their
floodplain development regulations. We have been involved in those efforts and believe
that we have developed a code that exceeds federal requirements, works with other
local governments and allows us flexibility to best manage development in our flood
prone areas. My objectives for this evening are to present the key concepts of the new
code to you for discussion and to get Council's recommendation to put the code on the
regular city agenda -- City Council agenda for reading and approval, subject to legal
review. First, I'd like to briefly review Meridian's physical floodplain picture and general
floodplain concepts and, then, I'll present the main changes in the proposed code for
discussion. This slide just gives you an idea of what we are dealing with. People
usually just think of the Boise River as a source for flooding, but Meridian has several
creeks and as you can see there is significant areas of blue on the map. The four
creeks in Meridian's area of impact have over 24 linear miles of floodplain. The creeks
drain about 80 square miles of land. The area of floodplain in Meridian's area of impact
is 850 acres. I should say over 850 acres. And Meridian has over 600 structures in the
hundred year floodplain. Those facts, combined with the perception that we can't have
floods, because we live in a desert, makes Meridian almost an ideal place to ignore
flood risks for a long time and, then, suffer significant flood damage. As I pointed in the
article that I wrote for the city newsletter, we will have a flood event, it's just a matter of
when. We have three different types of flood areas, determined, essentially, by the
amount of effort expended on studying them. You can see examples of the three here.
The A zone is an area defined by available contour data. No cross-section surveys we
conducted and no base flood elevations were determined in A zone areas. The AE
zones are areas where cross-sections were surveyed and hydraulic analyses were
conducted to determine the base flood elevations and the AE zones with the floodway
are areas where surveying was done, base flood elevations were determined, and a
floodway was delineated. I showed this slide to you in the previous workshop. It
illustrates how we arrived at the floodway and I'm also pretty proud of it, so I'm going to
show it to you again for review. We can see here that this is the -- this is the hundred
year flood and that's how we define what the base flood elevation is and that's how we
define the hundred year floodplain, which is also referred to as the special flood hazard
area. As development encroaches on the special flood hazard area, it squeezes the
water out -- and this is how modeling-wise, FEMA arrives at the floodway concept. The
floodway is the area that has to be reserved in order to transmit the base flood without
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causing more than a one foot rise. So, the assumption is that after fill has taken place
where fill is allowed, and development has taken place, then, the base flood will rise up
to the base flood plus one foot. We need to remember that for later in this presentation
for when the floodway is the only conveyance left. The concepts in the proposed code
have been presented to several interested parties. None of these groups expressed
major concern about the proposed changes and feedback from the Idaho Department of
Water Resources, FEMA, and the Treasure Valley partnership was extremely positive. I
apologize in advance. This is the most boring slide of the presentation. But, please,
bear with me. This matrix shows the substantive changes from our existing code to the
proposed code. I will briefly summarize each point and, then, I have some slides after
this one that illustrate the practical issues associated with each point. First, for
residential building floor elevations, our proposed code takes the finish floor to finro feet
above the base flood elevation. That is consistent with the recommendations of the
Treasure Valley partnership and with what neighboring communities are doing. As you
will see on the next slide that I show you, it also makes more sense. Next, we are
proposing to hold nonresidential buildings to the same elevation standards. Our current
standards for elevating non-residential is the base flood elevation and we allow flood
proofing. Building to these standards can make insurance extremely costly. It's also
important to minimize nonresidential flood damage, because these are the buildings that
provide the goods and services needed by residents, especially during and after a flood
event. We currently have no rules for Lomar F areas. That is areas removed from the
fioodplain by Lomars because of fill. The problem is the development might occur in
these areas that is not up to the standards of the special flood hazard area. Our new
code will solve this problem by leaving the areas in what's called the overlay district and,
therefore, those areas will be subject to the same rules they were before they were
removed from the floodplain and I will explain that a little more. The next finro points are
related. In areas where there is no floodway delineated, we will require the applicant to
hire a qualified hydraulics engineer to delineate the floodway. In areas where no base
flood elevations are determined, we will -- we will require that the applicant hire a
hydraulics engineer to determine base flood elevations. In this manner we will refine
the information on our floodplains as they develop. And, finally, our new code revision
will apply the no rise standard to water course alterations, such as bridges, culverts, and
irrigation structures. The current code requires maintenance of carrying capacity. It's
vague and, therefore, hard to enforce. Applying the no rise standard will ensure that we
avoid undersized culverts and bridges that back up flood waters. This is a typical craw!
space type foundation with the finish floor elevated to one foot above the base flood
elevation. Originally, below grade crawl spaces like this were not allowed by FEMA.
They are currently an exception, but they also must meet other requirements to be
acceptable. One requirement is that HVAC equipment, including vents, is installed
above the base flood elevation. As you can see, with the floor joists you can't get the
vents above the base flood elevation, unless you raise the finish floor another foot.
Also, a crawl space must have flood vents. Typical foundation vents are not sufficient
and the area of flood vents must equal one square inch for every one square foot of
enclosed space. The HVAC and venting issues are problematic with below grade crawl
spaces. I'm pretty sure that most builders don't understand those requirements. Also,
remember, that after development, only the floodway is left to convey the base flood
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and the elevation has risen up a foot. Our solution is to specify that the finish floor is
two feet above the base flood elevation and that the lowest floor is one foot above the
base flood elevation. When you look at that diagram and you start adding it up and
you're thinking, well, if the lowest floor of crawl space is a foot -- already a foot above
base flood elevation, then, the finish floor is probably going to be somewhere like four
feet above, which is fine. And it may -- a developer may say, well, my houses are going
to kind of stick out like sore thumbs. Well, you're welcome to build a slab on grade
house as well and we'd probably -- that's something that we probably should be
encouraging in the floodplain and, actually, that's occurring in -- in one development
right now. Before I go to the next slide, are there any questions on this?
Bird: Mr. President?
Rountree: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Kyle, that looks very nice and stuff, but in Meridian -- and I don't know if it's so
much anymore, since our water table has went down, but most of the moisture we got
under houses was because -- was from ground water. Aquifer. I don't -- if you're going
to put out a drawing like that, you should show some kind of a barrier laid down on the
ground underneath the house to keep the moisture from coming up.
Radek: Madam Mayor, Mr. President, Councilmember Bird, that's a good point. I
probably could have showed something there.
Bird: And we are -- excuse me. Follow up.
Rountree: Go ahead.
Bird: Your flood vents, how are -- boy, tell me how they are going to work. You're going
to have -- you're going to have your flood already and they are just going to come
through -- because they are not going to come across. They are going to fill up first
and, then, go.
Radek: Yes, sir. The concept of the flood vent is to allow flood waters in and out of the
crawl space.
Bird: But it's only going to -- Kyle, it's only going to get out so high. From there down to
the bottom of your footings isn't going to fali out. You're going to have to go in and
pump it out.
Radek: Correct.
Bird: It's not going to run out.
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Radek: Correct. The idea of the flood vents is to avoid damage due to hydrostatic
loads on those stem walls and -- so, again, to I~t the water in and where it can't let the
water out, you will have to pump out a crawl space that's built like this, no doubt.
Zaremba: Mr. President?
Rountree: Mr. Zaremba:
Zaremba: But what you're saying is that if that vent isn't there, the water pressure on
the side of the building might move the building.
Radek: Correct, sir.
Zaremba: And the vent allows it to --
Radek: It will cause more damage. And I can tell you with fair certainty that -- that
crawl space foundations that have been built in this city that are in the -- in the
floodplain probably do not have those vents. And what will generally happen is when
the home changes ownership and the insurance agent comes to inspect, because they
know it's in a floodplain, they will see that that was not built correctly and the -- the
perspective buyers will be looking at a fairly high insurance rate and the prospective
seller probably will lose their sale because of it.
Bird: It's going to be very expensive, isn't it, to put that in after thought.
Radek: To try to retrofit that. Which is why we are saying we want to go away from the
-- the flood vent requirements and HVAC requirements completely. We are going to put
that -- that lowest floor above the base flood elevation, so we don't have these issues.
Anything further on that slide?
Rountree: I think there is a bit of confusion yet, Kyle. And give Mr. Bird here a minute to
think about, but --
Bird: No. No. Go ahead.
Rountree: You're okay? All right.
Bird: I'm okay. I got -- I want to -- I want to see where he's going to put HVAC.
Radek: In a slab on grade, you would typically not put it in -- you put it on the -- the attic
area.
Bird: With slab on grade, if you got a flood, it's going to float away anyway.
Radek: And if you elevate the finished floor to two feet above base level elevation, I
don't think that will happen.
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Bird: Well, then, you don't have slab on grade.
Rountree: What you do is you increase the grade. Fill it in.
Radek: Essentially, fill in, so that the structure's out of the floodplain. Here is a-- I'm
sorry.
Bird: That's Creason Lateral.
Radek: Before we discuss the rules for Lomar F areas, I need to show you the overlay
district concept. This slide shows the floodway in red and the rest of the floodplain area
in blue. The light blue is the 500 year floodplain, which is not regulated. Our new code
will establish an overlay district based on the FEMA floodplain and floodway. To
account for inaccuracies of mapping and surveying, the floodplain and floodway will be
buffered horizontally by five and ten feet respectively. So, what the overlay district will
look like -- oops. Based on that floodplain to floodway is -- it will expand the floodway
by five feet and expand the floodplain by ten feet. And this next slide illustrates where a
map floodplain in an A zone clearly does not properly overlay against the ortho photo.
To amend the FEMA map, we would need to request a map revision from FEMA, which
would take considerable time and some money as well. With the new code, we simply
amend the overlay district through City Council and we are done. If the map were ever
changed by FEMA, the overlay district can grow to account for that. I showed this slide
also in my previous presentation. It shows what can happen when a property is
removed from the special flood hazard area and, then, a structure is built without
playing by the rules. So, in this example we have development on one side, fills and
gets themselves out of the floodplain and develops and puts in structures. They don't
have to submit for a floodplain development permit, because they are no longer in the
flood plain. And they may or may not build to the based flood elevation, plus one foot.
They may put a basement in there. And along comes development on the other side
and the base flood elevation makes it so this development is substandard. This is not
un -- this is not unlike what's occurred in some areas of the Treasure Valley in the past
decade. The lots you see in yellow here are part of the Crossfield Subdivision. They
have been removed from the special flood hazard by Lomar F, the subdivision had fill
placed in it. And now lots are no longer in the floodplain. Our current code does not
give us any control of how those structures on those lots are built relative to flooding.
The overlay district will solve this problem. The overlay district can grow, but it will not
shrink. So, areas removed from the floodplain by a Lomar will still be subject to
standards in our code, because they will still be part of the Meridian Floodplain Overlay
District.
De Weerd: Mr. Chairman?
Rountree: Madam Mayor.
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De Weerd: So, Kyle, even though they put in fill and kind of changed the area where
flood waters would go, I don't understand --
Radek: Madam Mayor, this picture may be a little misleading, even though the blue
area is drawn over those lots, because~the FEMA map has not changed yet, but they
have issued a letter of revision, a letter of map revision saying the developer has
submitted documents showing that the -- that those areas have been raised up and are
now above the base flood elevation and are excluded from the floodplain. And so, in
fact, those areas are -- those houses that are -- you can see being constructed there,
are approximately finro to three feet -- t'd say three or four feet above the base flood
elevation.
De Weerd: Because of fill.
Radek: Because of fill. Yes, ma'am.
De Weerd: Not because of how they are built and water can run under them.
Radek: Correct.
De Weerd: So, doesn't that impact another area downstream?
Radek: Yes, ma'am. That's an astute point. The -- anytime -- as in that diagram,
anytime you squeeze those waters, the water is no longer going to be here, it's going to
be somewhere else or it's going to be at a higher elevation and this is -- the Five Mile
Creek floodplain where a floodway has been mapped and, therefore, the rise due to the
ultimate development of that area has been accounted for in FEMA's model. So, here
again, we have -- we develop to base flood elevation plus one foot and our new code
recommends base flood elevation plus two feet, so that, basically, everything is base
flood elevation plus one foot above and you don't have any problem after the ultimate
development happens. Incidentally, these -- these lot -- I don't have any control over
these lots, because they have been removed from the floodplain, but I do know that the
structures built on these lots are, for lack of better terms, just fine, because this
developer actually came in before the Lomar had been approved by FEMA, so I,
therefore, made them, even though I knew those lots were going to be Lomar'd out, I
made them do a floodplain development print. I know what the elevations of those
buildings are. So, just in case you're worried about these particular lots, there is not a
problem.
Bird: I'm not worried at all.
Rountree: So --
Zaremba: Mr. President? Go ahead.
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Rountree: Kyle, when they submitted that to the corps, there was no adjustment to the
floodplain to the south. I mean you don't bring those homes to the south in jeopardy
with an increase in -- potential increase in the flood waters because of the restriction
created by this fill?
Radek: The only agency they had to submit a permit to for this -- for this -- in this arena,
the flood arena, is ours -- is the City of Meridian. The Corps of Engineers would not
have been involved in this. There is no work in the -- below the high water mark. Five
Mile Creek is fairly far away from these houses, you know, hundreds of feet and, like I
said, the way the rise is accounted for is with the floodway concept. Five Mile Creek
has a floodway, therefore, anybody building a structure in the Five Mile Creek floodplain
knows that when the ultimate development occurs in the floodplain, the base elevation
will rise up a foot. Does that make sense to everybody?
Rountree: Okay. Okay. Yeah. David.
Zaremba: This is kind of a follow up to the Mayor's question, but -- and it's based on
having lived on the Mississippi River for many years and watching the Army Corps of
Engineers just channelize it with levies and stuff, but anytime you have an area of a
river that normally floods out and slows down and you channelize it by ~Iling on the
sides, the water now goes through there not only deeper, but faster and the effects
downstream are much greater than they would have been otherwise and I guess my
question is when somebody does a project like this where we have said, okay, if you're
going to fill, then, you have to go to a certain height and stuff, what do we do about
mitigating anything that's going to happen downstream, because we have changed the
flow of the water. Or they have changed the flow of the water.
Radek: Good question. And FEMA really focuses on the base flood elevation and you
are correct that when you squeeze the water and you increase the height of the water,
you're going to increase the velocity of the water and --
Zaremba: That does more damage downstream.
Radek: It does -- yeah, it does -- water would -- higher velocity does more damage
where ever it is and that is not -- I guess that's not the focus of the FEMA regulations
and maybe that -- I mean maybe that's something we should be considering, but I think
-- I think focusing on the base flood elevation is -- well, I guess it's worked so far and
they go hand in hand. So, I'm not sure it's something we need to -- we need to address.
Zaremba: Okay.
Radek: It's -- your statements are definitely true. Like I say, it is limited by the one foot
rise maximum. A lot of places the -- a lot of places where they have squeezed the
floodplain into a floodway, you don't get a flood. A lot of places it's a half a foot. So, the
amount of increase in rise and increase in velocity is different. Some places you will get
a little more increase, some places you'll get a little less. You run into a culvert where it
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backs up, it stops it and, then, shoots through that culvert again. So, it's not a-- I guess
it's not an cumulative effect that velocities will always continue to increase, so --
Zaremba: Okay. Thank you.
Radek: The last point I wanted to touch on is water course alterations. Water course
alterations are by far the biggest contributor to potential flooding. Every crossing,
culvert, step structure, bridge, or other alteration is an opportunity to accumulate debris
and to back up flood waters. Since these are our biggest problems, they are also our
biggest opportunity to save ourselves from more problems by asserting a no rise
standard, which will keep our creeks open and able to convey flood waters. In my
previous presentation to the Council I showed you a few locations where we have had
some undersize culverts put in and I think that's the absolute easiest thing for us to do
to make sure that we can convey flood waters. The creeks we have, with the exception
of Ten Mile Creek, are very short drainages and we are going to have short floods. We
are going to have floods that last hours long. And we need to be able to get that water
out of here and the way to do it is to make development put in adequate culverts that
can pass flows and pass debris and not get clogged up and not be a maintenance
problem and also look nice, too. And that is all I had. I'd like to open it up for more
discussion if you have more questions. Again, I'm seeking approval to put this on the
regular agenda for reading and approval or -- or if Council has other direction to go back
and research more stuff or make some changes.
Bird: Mr. President?
Rountree: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Kyle, first, I want to tell you what a great program you have put together and you
have really researched and I certainly appreciate it. But we basically -- our floodplains
go through drain ditches -- what we call drain ditches, am I not right? We don't have a
river or anything like that within the Meridian -- we got Ridenbaugh Canal and it could
break and you could have a bunch of water, but -- and I really -- drain ditches collect
runoff; right?
Radek: That's kind of their secondary function.
Bird: Yeah. But I mean none of the water is transported down a drain ditch to feed
irrigation, it takes irrigation runoff.
Radek: That's correct. There are some places in Five Mile Creek that actually take out.
Bird: That what?
Radek: They are actually --
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Bird: Yeah. In Five Mile Creek they do -- they do when it's got enough water. There is
a couple of -- you know, there is some that it doesn't. They have to pump -- in fact, there
is a couple of places. So, I'm wondering of the floodplain changes as we quit -- you
know, five years ago we flood irrigated a lot more acreage than we flood irrigate right
now and sprinkler and stuff -- and you have got so much more asphalt down that that
runoff don't -- I hope the sewer -- or the runoff drains aren't going into the drain ditches,
with all the oil and stuff in it, but -- so I-- I have -- I have a problem --
Radek: You don't believe it is what you're saying.
Bird: I don't believe it. I believe -- no. No. Kyle, I believe what you're telling me and
stuff. I don't believe we are in imminent danger and I would -- I would be the first to go
-- which I will, check with a bunch of insurance people and see if they apply this to the
City of Meridian area.
Radek: I would guarantee you that they do, because I get calls from them.
Bird: Okay.
Radek: And I think to answer your question about the flows and irrigation, the base
flood is -- the assumption of the base flood is a spring snow melt -- rain on snow melt
event with empty canals. So, the model flow for what becomes the base flood has no
irrigation water in it. So, I don't believe that the fact that we are -- maybe have less
return flow in there is going to have any effect at all. And we have taken a critical look
at the flood insurance study models and said -- we actually hired a consultant to look
and there are -- there are several studies on Five Mile Creek, but only one flood
insurance study for the rest of our creeks that was done by Toothman-Orton for FEMA
and we have yet to find anything that's a glaring error saying, well, you calculated this
wrong, we shouldn't have this much runoff. We do have some kind of interesting things
going on at canal crossings, but for the most part it appears that the flood insurance
study is a fairly decent study.
Bird: Well, I appreciate the research and the stuff you have done, Kyle, and I have no
problem changing the deal. I'm not sure that vents are going to solve the problem. I
believe the biggest thing you could do is if you're worrying about pushing it, is make --
make every house put rebar in their footings and foundation and that happens very
rarely in residential.
De Weerd: I have it in mine.
Bird: I know you do.
Rountree: Kyle, I just want to say job well done. You have put a lot of effort in this and
done some excellent work. I heard you say a couple places that we have worked with
locals and we have had input from Treasure Valley partnership and in spite of what
Councilman Bird just said, we have the potential of actually having a portion of a rather
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large river in our impact area on the Boise floodplain. One of the issues that came up
with that discussion with the city of Eagle was they were concerned about floodplain
and floodplain impacts and wanted to make sure that anything we would do in the
ordinance area with respect to floodplains was consistent, if not mirror what they have
and my question is what you propose, does it do that?
Radek: Yes, sir. The answer is yes. The finro foot -- the finro food standard is
something we share with them. They have an additional -- they share with Ada County
an additional item in there for a setback from the -- a greenbelt setback, which really
more -- I guess -- it's not clear to me whether it belongs in the floodplain ordinance or
the -- the planning code -- yeah. I mean the -- the idea of it really isn't a floodplain
setback, so -- so we don't have any problem at all with being consistent with what they
are going out there.
Rountree: Okay. Thank you. Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: Kind of a side issue, but I have been attending the meetings of the Ada
County open space and parks committee. One of their recommendations to the Ada
County commissioners is going to be that the commissioners formulate and suggest
that the cities formulate a consistent Boise River floodplain plan that all integrates with
each other and I think they are -- the committee is going to suggest that Ada County
commissioners take the lead on that or at least that the county take the lead, because
they have more of it than any individual city does. But you may want to stay in touch
with the county at the parks department -- county parks is probably taking the lead on it,
but they are going to suggest that we have coordinated floodplain management that's
along the Boise corridor -- Boise River corridor.
Radek: Absolutely. I appreciate your comment. It's not only -- only along the Boise
River, but, actually, we -- you know, we had a case where we had a call in, somebody
was filling in Five Mile Creek in the floodplain and a resident called in and we sent an
inspector out there and that was actually county property, so we called up the floodplain
administrator for the county and said, hey, you got some stuff going on here. So, we
are fairly well tied in right now, so I appreciate your comments and we will endeavor to
remain that way.
Zaremba: Thank you.
Rountree: Direction?
Bird: Mr. President?
Rountree: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I would say bring her forward, Kyle.
Rountree: I agree.
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Bird: And make sure we are in mirroring everybody else's -- Boise's, Eagle's --
everybody and anybody that's along the Boise River.
Rountree: Based on the head nodding that I see here, that's enough for me to move
forward.
De Weerd: Mr. President?
Rountree: Madam Mayor.
De Weerd: I am very grateful for the involvement of our staff. They have been involved
in the Treasure Valley partnerships joint efforts and have taken a step I think over and
above to really evaluate cumulative effects and be conscientious to making it Meridian's
as well. So, the areas that we need to mirror those along the Boise River, I believe we
have accomplished that, but we have looked at our own special circumstances as well.
Rountree: As we bring this forward I think probably your next challenge with this issue
is to make it consumer digestible. It's -- it's going to be a tough one for some people in
these specific areas to deal with and as straight forward as you can make the
explanations and I-- your graphics are great. To make it understandable why we are
doing this and why we are requiring this in the future in these areas, that's the marketing
piece.
Zaremba: Mr. President? Included in that, if you could maybe invent or come up with
some statistics of what the difference in their insurance cost is going to be.
Radek: Absolutely. We have -- we have put out part one of floodplain 101 in the city --
city newsletter just a month or two ago and part two and part three will talk about exactly
those things. How we are moving to higher standards. We are going to get breaks on
flood insurance. All that good stuff.
Rountree: Excellent. Thanks, Kyle.
Radek: Thank you.
Bird: Great job.
(~ Follow Up Discussion on 2006 International Fire Code - Fire
Department - Joe Silva.
Rountree: Any further'? Okay. Next item on the agenda. Mr. Silva, fire code
discussion.
Silva: Yes. Madam Mayor, Members of the Council. Just to update you. We had
originally brought the International Building Code, the International Fire Code in front of
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Council for discussion at the end of February. At that point there was a-- some
concerns about a section that dealt with the requirements for a secondary access when
we serve greater than 50 homes. We had put a proposal before you for consideration
that if a segment of a subdivision serving greater than 50 homes, if that -- it had only a
single point of access, we would require not only that segment of the subdivision, but
the entire subdivision to be fire sprinklered. You had requested at that time that I meet
with the BCA Developers Council to solicit some input from them and feedback with
respect to that issue. Understanding that, I met with the BCA Developers Council.
Then, I was directed from that group, after attending their membership meeting, to work
with a task force of three representatives from the BCA, Jerry Armstrong from Hubble,
Gene Smith from Northwest Engineering, and Jay Walker from -- representing Brighton.
At that point we kind of discussed the particulars of the proposal we had in front of
Council and it was at that point we decided to go back to the current standard that we
had been basically doing by policy at 50 homes. If you have a segment of a subdivision
served by only one road and it has -- serves greater than 50 homes, then, it would
require that those homes be fire sprinklered. They supported that concept. That had
been our previous policy. And before you there should be a letter from BCA indicating
that they are in support of our -- adoption of our 2006 version of the International Fire
Code and they appreciated our efforts listening to them with -- and soliciting their input
in respect to this issue. With that I would like to just request that this be -- seek your
approval to put this on a regular council agenda for reading and approval. I would like
to also request that legal give you -- I'm -- procedurally I'm a little -- I need some
enlightenment as to procedurally how we will pursue adopting this particular segment of
the code and putting the whole International Fire Code, 2006 version, into effect for the
city and I was going to get -- ask Mr. Nary if he could provide some perspective on that.
Nary: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, I think attached to your documents here,
Mr. Silva, there is an ordinance that was already at draft, right, and I think -- I think you
had indicated we had a first reading. It probably would be wise, because there has
been a time gap that we put it back for a first reading again and start over now. With the
Council's direction we can certainly put it on for accelerated readings, or we can put it
on for three consecutive readings. That's up to them.
Silva: Thank you very much. Mayor and Council, I'll stand for any further questions you
may have with respect to this issue.
Bird: Mr. President?
Rountree: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I don't know why we can't just do it like we normally do and have a reading and
pass it. And, Joe, I want to pass something to you that -- I had a phone call from finro
BCA members. You certainly got an A plus from them for the way you handled it and I
appreciate that very much so. It's -- it's a very good selling point for our city. You were
very open minded and you listened, as I understand, and I appreciate it and you can be
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very proud that they -- a couple of guys took time out to call me at home and tell me
what a nice job you had done.
Silva: Thank you. Thank you very much. Just one other thing -- one other point that I
made with the BCA. They have been always striving for standardization of design
standards. It simplifies the work the design team has to do. Why is that important to
our city? Where we get a large retailer or any other developer from out of state, it's
easy to convey that we use the International Fire Code, the international family of codes
in our design. In our document -- our adoption document is probably the smallest one
of any other agency in the valley here. With that being said, we are still meeting the
special needs of our department and recognizing our resource level. So, thank very
much, Councilman Bird, for that kind word.
Rountree: Any further comments?
De Weerd: Oh, I would also pass along the compliment. I just don't want them to get a
real big head, so --
Silva: You don't have to worry about that.
Bird: I didn't know whether to say it or not. I thought, well, I better tell him directly,
instead of tell Anderson, so he could get a big head.
Rountree: I thank you for sharing that with the rest of us and very good job, Joe. We
appreciate that.
De Weerd: Thank you, Joe.
Rountree: Council's preference to move this along to get it scheduled for an agenda
and expedited reading process or --
Bird: Yeah.
Rountree: -- what's -- Bill, is that apropos? I think we have got all the issues taken care
of.
Nary: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, Council President Rountree, you know, I
think you have had this certainly vetted enough in the community you certainly could do
that.
Rountree: Okay. Let's do that and we will add that to the list of things to work on
Friday. Very good, Joe, thanks.
(g) Tabled from April 1, 2008: Budqet Amendment
Interdepartment Transfer from Citv Clerk's Office to Mayor's
Office for Personnel Transfer for $95,048.00:
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Rountree: Next item on the agenda Item G, tabled from April 1, budget amendment.
Inter-departmental transfer. Mayor, is that yours?
De Weerd: No. That's Robert's.
Rountree: That's Robert's. Okay. Before you start Robert, Mike, did we get your
question answered or -- okay. Thank you.
De Weerd: He's just been away so long he had to come --
Bird: He had to come back.
De Weerd: -- absorb it again.
Nary: I thought he was filling in for Ralph.
Rountree: Yeah.
Bird: Where is Ralph?
Rountree: He left.
Nary: He went home.
De Weerd: We exhausted him.
Rountree: Okay. Robert.
Simison: Mayor and Council. This is a requested budget amendment that will -- is a
transfer of funds from the clerk's office to the Mayor's office to reflect their recent
organizational changes in the clerk's office and the Mayor's office, with the addition of
the community liaison position. It has no net effect on the overall budget. In fact, when
I talked to finance today, it actually has a positive effect in the reorganization befinreen
the two offices. While we are creating one new position in the Mayor's office, we are
effectively eliminating two in the clerk's office, so -- in reality with the reorganization that
we are doing, the end result is about a net effect of about 15,000 in savings to the city
through the health insurance and other benefits with the position in the clerk's offices
overall being eliminated. So, in essence, this is just more of a housekeeping measure
to actually put the funds into the Mayor's office where this community liaison position
actually is, as compared to the clerk's office, and puts our reorganization more in line
with where we currently are.
Rountree: Okay. Any questions?
Bird: I do have one.
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Rountree: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Robert, this -- the amount looks like an employee's full year plus benefits.
Simison: That is correct.
Bird: And that -- the change wasn't made for the full year.
Simison: Understood. Finance just wanted to do a complete change for the year to
reflect for the upcoming -- for the future budget year, rather than doing just a partial
change. It would be the effect that we wouldn't be -- we wouldn't be getting extra
money beyond just the amount for the year for the purposes, but for the full impact it's
just showing that overall we want to move that entire amount over for the years carrying
forward.
De Weerd: Mr. President?
Rountree: Madam Mayor.
De Weerd: Which is consistent with any of our personnel changes, we want to make
sure it's adequately reflected in the base and so that has been our typical practice with
finance.
Rountree: Well, I guess it seems to me if you make that budget amendment and the
accounting amendment, the accounting process would transfer that whole element with
the expenditures to date in that element. So, it would be starting with that amount,
minus the expenditures that are made. So, you're not really getting that full amount,
you're getting the remaining as a budget amendment.
De Weerd: That`s correct.
Bird: That's the way we have always done it.
Rountree: And the accounting that goes with it transfers as well as part of the budget
amendment process, if I understand it correctly.
Zaremba: Mr. President?
Rountree: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: It doesn't come as a surprise. I think I understood that this position was
going to be paid for, because we had finro unfilled positions in the clerk's office. I didn't
understand that we were actually going to eliminate searching to fill those two positions
at some point. Does this mean that the clerk's office will never have finro open
requisitions or when they need to grow staff it's a new budget thing for next year or --
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Simison: Correct. There is one -- when this reorganization is -- when it's fully staffed
out, we are going to be hiring one more position back into the clerk's office that will
probably be a receptionist position, leaving the three other people besides the clerk as
being the department specialists. Any further staffing requests in the future would need
to come back before Council for filling in the clerk's office. So, we believe in our
discussions that with filling that one position we can meet the current needs in the
clerk's office and if that need changes and grows we will come back and make the
request at that point in time.
Zaremba: Okay. Thank you.
Rountree: Robert, my question is why was it tabled?
Bird: Joe wanted it pulled off for some reason. The biggest reason, you as the liaison,
you wasn't here, I think.
Rountree: Oh. Okay. Okay.
Bird: Joe was the one that asked that be taken off.
Rountree: All right.
Bird: They had it on the Consent Agenda.
Rountree: Okay.
Bird: I would suggest that -- Mr. President, that we bring it back under the Mayor's next
week and pass the thing, get it done. One week isn't going to hurt it. You know, we are
going to pass this all -- a general budget amendment in August or September anyway,
so --
De Weerd: Mr. President?
Rountree: Madam Mayor.
De Weerd: I guess we have passed plenty of things tonight, why wouldn't we pass this.
Unless you need it on another -- a third agenda.
Bird: I don't care if you want to pass it tonight.
Zaremba: Mr. President?
Rountree: Mr. Zaremba.
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Zaremba: I actually didn't hear the first part of Mr. Bird's sentence. Were you
suggesting that we not do it tonight?
Bird: No. I just -- I didn't care. I don't care. Joe's the one that pulled it off and he's not
here tonight.
Zaremba: But I think his point was that he wanted Councilman Rountree to hear it.
Bird: Yeah. And I think so, too.
Rountree: And I have heard it.
Bird: Okay.
Rountree: And I'm okay with it.
Zaremba: Mr. President, I move that we accept the budget amendment.
Bird: Second.
Rountree: It's been moved and seconded to accept the budget amendment, Item G. Is
that roll call?
Nary: Yes.
Rountree: Roll call.
Roll-Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Borton, absent.
MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
(h) Tabled from April 1, 2008: Bud~et Amendment for Community
Development Block Grant for the Plannin~ Department for
$230,544:
Rountree: Next item is a budget amendment for a community block grant. Matt?
Anna? Is Anna hiding --
Bird: Anna pulled that off last week and I think she's got it ready.
Rountree: Well, I know we got the money and this is a good one.
Canning: Sirs and madam, we had pulled it off just to get you the corrected numbers.
So, it has the corrected numbers now.
Bird: Mr. President?
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Rountree: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Anna, what was the -- this is after we had paid out the fee to Ms. --
Canning: This is just the award amount from HUD for the -- I think they call it plan year
FY-07, which goes through September of 2008. So, that's what that amount is. I think
what you're looking for is if Mayor and Council would like to have the discussion on the
payment for Ms. Francis' work, whether that should have been paid from this grant
monies or from just general fund monies was part of the question for the fiscal year -- or
the planning year'07.
Bird: Mr. President?
Rountree: Mr. Bird.
Bird: It was told to me that that's the way we were going to do it. It was coming -- her
fund was coming out of the grant, if we got it. If we didn't I guess we ate it, but -- and
the same token, you have got some administration that should go to you out of this.
Canning: Right. If we gave -- if we took the 40,000 from -- to pay Ms. Francis -- well,
we have already paid her, but if we requested from HUD those funds for back payment,
sort of, that -- as I understand it, the way it works is we pay the money and, then, we
request HUD to kind of replenish that money is generally how it works. But if we were
to do that, then, that would use up all the administrative balance available for that year.
So, we wouldn't be able to ask for additional administrative payment of additional
administration costs. Still working on terminology for HUD. Sorry. So, I-- I had not
been involved with this issue, so I'm not trying to not provide information, I just wasn't in
the loop at all, so if someone can jump in and help me out, I'd appreciate it.
Bird: Mr. President.
Rountree: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Didn't -- didn't Emily tell us that 20 percent of the grant was eligible for
administrative fees?
Canning: Right.
Bird: Was that not right?
Canning: Right. And that would have been the 40,000 that the city paid Ms. Francis.
Bird: Okay. And, then, if we get a grant this year, then, we can take that 20 percent
and use towards your administrative fees in your department; am I correct?
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Canning: Yes. We have been awarded -- we have been awarded for plan year'08.
Bird: Okay.
Canning: Which starts in September -- or October and we have been awarded that and,
yes, you can use up to 20 percent of -- of -- actually, not just what you get granted, but
what you spent --
Bird: Good.
Canning: -- on administration.
Zaremba: Mr. President, Mr. Nary's body language indicates that he may have
something to say and nobody's looking his direction.
Rountree: I was hearing him, though. I was hearing him.
Nary: Okay. I was just waiting. I was trying to wait. Mr. President, Members of the
Council. Mr. Bird is correct, the original -- the original thought process when we hired
the administrator to establish the program to get the grant funded was to pay the
administrative fees out of the grant. The down side is -- is, then, there would be no
more administrative fees left to administer this grant. This 230,000 dollars. So, the
decision was made to pay out of the professional services -- to pay Mrs. Francis for the
establishment of the grant to pay the current administrative costs out of this grant. This
230 is for this current fiscal year that we are in now. The next fiscal year it's 237,000
dollars, 20 percent of that can go toward administrative costs. So, it's either pay the last
one out of professional or do a budget amendment in this one to pay for administering it.
There is a gap. There is always a gap, unfortunately, with trying to either set it up or
administer the program. The intent Mrs. Francis was trying to do to try to bridge that gap
was to create a program that, essentially, could run itself and she wasn't able to do that,
that it wouldn't require much administration. And was what she was hoping to do. Mrs.
Francis didn't complete her process. She did complete the work as she was directed,
but we still had a lot of other work to do to finish it, to complete it, to get it funded by the
feds. It took awhile, as you recall. So, you're correct, 20 percent of it can be used for
administration, but this is for the current fiscal year that we were in. Mrs. Canning is
correct, these CDBG grants, you pay the money out, you get reimbursed. So, you
either pay for Mrs. Francis out of the grant and pay yourself back and, then, your
administrative costs you would have to absorb now or you pay Mrs. Francis out of the
professional fees that we already had established and you pay the administration out of
the grant you have now. I don't know if that helps you, but I know --
Bird: It does.
Nary: -- Mrs. Canning wasn't part of that discussion earlier and that's why she wasn't as
clear on where that was being paid from.
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Bird: Mr. President?
Rountree: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Anna, what -- for this fiscal year, what administrative -- what kind of costs do you
think you wilf have in administrative fees?
Canning: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, Councilmember Bird, Mrs. Wheeler
has not been working on it full time, so we may not use the full 20 percent for her. So,
there would be an opportunity for either me to -- in order to claim that 20 percent we
need to keep very detailed records of all the time we spent on these -- on these
projects. I have not been doing that thus far, neither has Emily. If either of us were to
start documenting that time frame, we could get up to the full 20 percent this year as
well. With Sarah -- or Mrs. Wheeler starting on it a little late, we probably won't use the
full one. I would imagine it will -- she will find that it will take three-quarters to full time to
administer the program once she gets fully into it.
Bird: Okay. Seeing how we give it to you, what do you recommend doing, Anna?
Canning: Well, my only concern with going back and paying Mrs. Francis from the
administration money is that I don't believe she has done any work on it since October.
So, I think we are going back to a year where she wasn't actually working on it. We'd
have to get documentation from her on -- I don't know if just a bill will be sufficient for
the IDS -- for the HUD reporting requirements, so I have a little bit of concern about
trying to go back and claim her time.
Bird: Okay. So, what you're telling me is let's just go forward.
Canning: Please.
Bird: Just go forward and do it and we have learned a good lesson.
Canning: Yes, sir. And we are --
Bird: I'm for that.
Canning: It's complicated and we are trying to get up to speed on things.
Zaremba: Mr. President?
Rountree: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: I think maybe I'm saying the same thing, but I would support that initial
investment as the seed money and, then, the rolling administrative fee just keeps us up
to date from time to time. Works for me.
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Bird: Works for me.
Rountree: We would have had to do it at one end or the other anyway, so -- Mr. Bird,
this is your --
Bird: I would be glad to make a motion.
Rountree: Okay.
Bird: That for Planning and Zoning we have a budget amendment of 230,544 dollars.
Zaremba: Second.
Rountree: It's been moved and seconded to approve a budget amendment in that
amount, which increase the budget. Roll call vote.
Roll-Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Borton, absent.
MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
(i) Discussion of Downtown Transportation Studies - Planning
Department - Matt Ellsworth.
Rountree: Thank you, Anna. Next on the agenda is downtown transportation study.
Matt.
Ellsworth: Mr. President, Madam Mayor, and Members of the Council, before I dive into
that, in the wake of the tour of City Hall and since we are transitioning to the
transportation issues downtown, I received an update from ACHD earlier this week that
-- that they will begin work on a new traffic signal at the Main Street and Broadway
intersection starting tomorrow and as soon as that signal is up and running they also
plan to go ahead and remove the signal that's currently located at Main and Idaho.
That's per the request slash recommendation of Meridian's Transportation Task Force
over the course of the fast couple years as presented to City Council in 2006 and '7.
So, that's kind of a heads up to you and thanks to ACHD for moving that forward. Okay.
The reason that I'm here this evening is there are three different transportation related
studies that are currently in process that is going to have implications for downtown
Meridian. Those are the Fairview Avenue concept design, which -- which ACHD staff
gave a presentation on, on March 11th this year. That study is a long range
transportation plan for Fairview Avenue. The second is the split corridor phase two
design, which is currently is process. And as currently outlined in the five year work
plan, that project is still scheduled to move forward for construction in 2012. The third
study that's going to have implications for downtown is the East 3rd Street extension
and alignment study, which is -- as you're aware, will identify new north-south
connection from Franklin to Fairview Avenue to provide relief for other north-south
arterials downtown. So, I was hoping to present you with a-- just a couple of the ways
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in which these three are sort of coming together at the moment and, like I said, Council
received an update from ACHD's project manager for the Fairview concept design on
March 11th, 2008. What that presentation entailed was sort of a-- two distinct
categories of issues that have been on the table for the earlier phases of that project.
Those two categories were issues that had somewhat been resolved at the staff and
steering committee level and those that had not yet -- basically it was a presentation of
the side boards that had been put on that concept design looking forward and City
Council expressed some concern at one of those issues that was yet to be resolved and
that is a question of number of lanes. ACHD's project manager indicated that the
determination of five versus seven lanes is still very much up for discussion at this point.
City Council made it clear that -- that they do not favor seven lanes on Fairview as it
enters into downtown. So, looking forward from there, there was the -- oh, excuse me.
Second bullet point --
Zaremba: Mr. President?
Rountree: Excuse me, Matt. Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: I must have missed something, but I wasn't aware of that discussion. I'm not
opposed to the seven lanes.
Bird: I must have missed it, too. I must have had my head somewhere besides here.
I'm certainly not opposed to seven lanes. I think everybody found that out Monday
down at ACHD.
Rountree: I think the Mayor was vocal about the seven lanes --
Zaremba: Well, there certainly are some design issues, but I'm not dead set against
exploring it.
Ellsworth: Mr. President, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, I apologize if I
misconstrued the discussion on the 11th. That's my fault entirely. Looking briefly
forward here I'm not sure if this will -- would be an appropriate way to resolve some of
this for the moment anyway. Looking forward in the Fairview concept design process --
and this is a bit of a departure from the discussion that was had at the joint ACHD
meeting yesterday, the project team, in coordination with these three various studies,
identified the appropriate way to -- to get to the determination of five lanes versus seven
lanes on Fairview Avenue is by the formation of a policy steering committee and that's
not only the answer to that one question, there are many other questions that will come
up during the course of the Fairview study and ACHD's management thus far has
indicated that the appropriate way to address some of those questions may be to bring
together some decision makers from the affected jurisdictions to have the conversation
early in the process. That being the case, in order to keep the phase two split corridor
design on schedule right now and answer whatever underlying questions need to be
answered for that design to move forward, as long as the determination of five lanes
versus seven lanes on Fairview is answered and agreed upon by June to July, they will
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still be able to move things forward after -- the consultant and ACHD's project manager
reviewed that yesterday and earlier today. They indicated to me that that will not affect
the time line for construction of phase two of the split corridor. So, I'm not sure if -- it did
seem like a relevant piece of the puzzle to bring you guys up to speed on just then.
De Weerd: Mr. President?
Rountree: Madam Mayor.
De Weerd: I will just for recall of Council -- when we discussed this a couple weeks ago
I didn't hear anyone say we support seven lanes. I did hear there was a couple of tasks
that Matt was given and coming back and letting us know if the modei included the rail
corridor as some of the trips captured to come back and show what right of way has
been set aside in that corridor, if there was going to be additional right of way needed
and there are a couple of -- I think -- I don't know -- bottlenecks is not probably the right
word, but there are a couple of places along that corridor that does not have the
adequate right of way. And the express concern and certainly it was me in having
asphalt curb, gutter, sidewalk and, then, asphalt when we get to our parking lots. So,
just to refresh the conversation, there was no clear indication that people were excited
and supportive of seven lanes. So, Matt, you weren't totally way out there. I heard the
same thing you did is just to come back. Just wanted to clear that on -- on the record.
As we get to this intersection, though, what we did have the discussion at ACHD is the
Council didn't have any concerns or the finro Council Members that were there, on a
seven lane intersection on Fairview and I believe it's five on Meridian Road, so -- and I
think we all felt comfortable moving forward with that design. And particuiarly I know
that Matt's been working with the TLIP information to see if there is an alternative
compliance in design that we can use that would still fit the flow of traffic, but also our
goal of not just being an asphalt design -- or divide on Fairview.
Ellsworth: And, Mr. President, if I may, Madam Mayor. You're correct. There were
several follow-up items that Council requested based on the March 11th discussion. In
your packet is a memo dated April 7th, 2008, and in this memo -- it's really a two part
memo. Part one was pertinent more to just the very brief brush on this that I was
hoping to dive into for tonight. Part two, starting on page four, is a follow-up to that
Fairview conversation in which I summarized, to the best of my ability, the content of the
conversation as I recalled it, followed by the questions that Mayor and Council raised. I
some -- some -- I had a lot of conversations with a lot of folks with ACHD and other area
agencies and answered those questions that you raised to the best of my ability and
there in the attachments is kind of a corridor breakdown that ACHD provided showing
where current right of way lines are, so that you can compare roughly what impacts
would wind up being seen on the ground depending on the width of the corridor that
ultimately is implemented there. So, to plant that seed in the back of your head. That's
-- that's the second half of the memo there. Shifting back to some of those follow-up
conversations that I had on the -- on the question of five lanes versus seven lanes and
the sphere that I was looking at this question, then, came down to what impacts would
constraining Fairview Avenue to five lanes from seven lanes have on parallel roadway
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networks and intersections up and down Fairview and one of the assumptions to keep
in mind with all of this is that it's all based on the Communities In Motion model. So,
those assumptions are sort of the benchmark for these things, which has implications
both for the population estimates coming into it and also for the lane widths of parallel
roadways that can fill -- fill the need for traffic volumes, if you will. The consultant -- and
this comes back to the coordination of these three studies. The consultant, who has
been working on phase two design is the same lead consultant that the city and MDC
have hired for the East 3rd Street extension study and he's also one af the sub-
consultants on the Fairview study. So, all of these demographic assumptions are on the
same page and that's moving forward very well. He, through the phase two
discussions, came up with sort of a preliminary set of recommendations and, again, this
is based on the Communities In Motion land use -- or, excuse me, the demographic
information and the communities in motion model lane widths for the various arterial
roadways. And, again, what I was hoping to do tonight is give a very high level look at
what it -- what impacts it would have on the adjacent roadway nefinrork and intersections
up and down Fairview to constrain that roadway and also to float a couple of the ideas
that have been kicked around the table so far in these conversations as to how to
mitigate some of the impacts of a more constrained Fairview or potentially even to
create a better flowing system if Fairview is uttimately seven lanes. So, the consultant
came up with both a near term and a longer term recommendation and the near term is
based on, one, the assumption that the split corridor phase finro is constructed prior to
the East 3rd Street extension. So, in between the completion of phase finro and the
beginning of construction on -- or the end of construction, excuse me, on the 3rd Street
extension. The set of near term recommendations included the following: Reconfiguring
the Main-Fairview intersection and the removal of an eastbound left turn, which is north
into Albertson's plaza and for the near term no other -- no other adjustments had been
proposed by the consultant at this time. So, basically, what that near term adjustment
entails is eastbound traffic coming along Cherry before it breaks into Fairview -- after it
breaks into Fairview, would no longer be able to make a left turn here into Albertson's at
Main. You have Albertson's over here and Main Street. Instead, those drivers would --
would need to make a left or north turn on Meridian Road and continue into the plaza
right here. So, basically, the adjustment is removal of the left-hand turn at the
intersection of Main and Fairview for eastbound traffic. Now, in the longer term, which
would be after the extension of East 3rd Street -- or East 3rd Street, excuse me,
connects into Fairview Avenue, would be to restrict the Main-Fairview intersection to a
right-in, right-out only. There has also been some discussion of removing the signal for
Main-Fairview along with that restriction to right-in, right-out. And, finally, to install a
signal at East 3rd Street and Fairview. And part of the rationale behind doing this is to
increase the amount of distance in befinreen the signals at Meridian and Fairview -- or,
excuse me, Meridian and the next signal for eastbound traffic heading down Fairview
Avenue, if that makes some sense. And the memo goes into greater detail. Basically,
what the model results were showing was that there is not enough stacking distance
between Main Street and Meridian Road and on Fairview to allow those east or
westbound movements enough -- enough stacking room at five lanes to continue flows.
So, part of the logic there is even though at five lanes it's still -- based on the model
would not provide enough stacking distance, that might be a way to minimize some of
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those -- some of those challenges. So, you can see it visually here. Again, you have
Meridian, Main Street, 3rd Street off over here. Let's see.
Bird: Show me that right-in and right-out.
Ellsworth: For traffic heading northbound here on Main Street, they would no longer be
able to continue north into the Albertson's plaza, they would no longer be able to make
a left-hand turn onto Fairview, instead, they would be restricted probably by a median, if
I had to guess, to right-hand turn out only.
Bird: But isn't Main Street going to be in the phase two -- isn't it going to be going south
only?
Rountree: Huh-uh.
Ellsworth: Mr. President, Members of the Council, Councilman Bird, the phase two
project has it set up for the cross-over to occur somewhere befinreen the railroad track
and Franklin and with that being the case Main Street would remain up further north
here toward Fairview in its current configuration.
De Weerd: Mr. President?
Rountree: Madam Mayor.
De Weerd: Okay.
Rountree: Get control of yourself.
De Weerd: Sorry. Mr. Bird really disturbed me there for a minute. I'm really concerned
about taking the signalization off of Main Street. I think you're going to kill traffic on
Main Street there. I don't know how you're going to get anyone off of Main onto
Fairview and I guess that's the intent, to take the ability to turn left, and all of your
businesses between -- I think Carlton is the first cross-connection befinreen Main and
Meridian and Fairview, all of those businesses would severely suffer. I guess how I had
imagined it would be is to have a signalization there that would be consistent with the
signalization on Meridian, so you -- you continue that -- that flow through and, then, you
would have the east-west traffic or the going west traffic join that after you had a stop
light on Main. But Main Street, as in any community, is -- is kind of the blood line of -- of
the heart of our community. I really think that that would be a huge disservice to our
Main Street -- our revitalization efforts and I don't know if Mr. Wardle has any comment
on that, but I would absolutely hate to see that light go away and expect those people to
-- whoever is on Main Street will just have to go right.
Bird: Madam Mayor, I agree with you a hundred percent. I don't -- I think we would be
stupid to take that out.
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De Weerd: He said he thought he would -- okay.
Bird: I thought we would be stupid to take that light out.
De Weerd: I wanted to make sure that was on --
Bird: Of course, I thought we were going one way, too, so don't pay any attention to
me.
Ellsworth: Mr. President, Madam Mayor, just to provide some of the rational behind
where they were going with this, essentially, westbound traffic traveling on Fairview
Avenue would, then, be required to make a left-hand turn into 3rd Street and work their
way over to Main Street via some east-west connection. Now, that's another piece of
the puzzle here leading back to a different study. Currently, the only way to make that
movement is down on Carlton, which might be a bit too far. It's another component of
the East 3rd Street studies to take a look at. We are at a possible location somewhere
between Carlton and Fairview might be located where you could make that possible.
As far as exiting northbound trips onto Fairview, similarly, they would need to make their
way over to the signal at East 3rd here and continue out to make the left up there.
Again, the rationale for floating the idea that the consultant had in mind was increasing
the signal distance for cars on Fairview and he -- he was looking at this, of course, for
the best possible traffic situation. Obviously, there are community concerns and other
concerns and that's exactly why I wanted to get it in front of you this evening, was to see
as early on in the process, which of these potential mitigation measures are, in Council's
eyes, detrimental to downtown and which --
Rountree: Matt, if you would go back to that aerial. And I'm -- they probably have
considered this, but it seems to me that this is the -- one of the real tough points. If they
could take that out of the signal phase and make it a right-in, right-out, and maybe even
adjust it so it's not necessarily -- maybe in this location or in this location and, then,
maintain the signal that would operate those three legs, I don't know if -- they may have
looked at that. t don't know if they have. But this always has been a movement that's
complicated that intersection and if you could eliminate that, make this a right-in, make it
a right-out only, no -- no cross-traffic through, and, then, have these operate right in --
eliminate this left-hand move, make this through or right-hand, make this left a right-
hand, make this through or a left hand --
Ellsworth: Council President Rountree, to make sure that I understand, you were
talking about northbound traffic --
Rountree: Would not -- would not have --
Bird: Southbound.
Rountree: Southbound traffic would not have egress into. They'd either have to come
down -- come down here and right in or they'd have to come down here and get in.
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De Weerd: So, close off that --
Bird: Mr. President?
Rountree: Start with maybe seeing if that could be right-in, right-out only and if that's not
going to work -- and my suspicion is it's not, because you're going to have a lot of rear-
end accidents making this move, eliminating it. They still have access, they have
access here, and they have access here and they have access here and they have
access there. And they also have access here.
Bird: That's -- yeah, that's --
De Weerd: There is too many dots up there.
Rountree: Yeah. This is the one.
Bird: But, Mr. President, you're saying to eliminate that entrance there?
Rountree: Yes. We should have done it years ago.
Bird: But I still don't think we can eliminate the signals there.
Rountree: No. Make -- make that -- retain that signal and have it operate these three
legs.
Bird: Yeah. You're right. We can -- there is an entrance in here that you can either go
like that or you can go back around and come out over here. There is an entrance there
and there is an entrance there.
Rountree: The people that live there -- live there now go right here --
Bird: Oh, yeah, but he don't live there.
Rountree: Let's get some more dots up there.
Zaremba: Mr. President?
Rountree: We need colors so we know who is pointing to what.
Zaremba: Not to be contrary, but the suggestions that Matt has described, I have seen
work well other places and I kind of would like to see the modeling. And, actually, it
would be interesting to see the modeling with all the options that we have talked about,
variations -- I agree that that exit -- what's a driveway, not a street, probably should be
closed. It has always been difficult. But I would still like to see what the model would
show with no signal there at all and only a right-in, right-out to Main that has worked
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other places and if we consider the goal of moving the through traffic off of Main, so that
the traffic that is there is the destination traffic, I think unless we do something to make
that intersection less attractive, we will not encourage the through traffic to move over to
Meridian. I think we will still -- a fully active signal there is likely to continue the same
problem we have, even though Meridian should be more attractive when they are done.
But I'm not absolutely stuck on that, I'm just saying I'd like to see how the modeling
shows that as one of the options before we eliminate it entirely, because I-- as I say, I
think I have seen something similar work very well other places. For the goal that we
have expressed, which is reduce the through traffic.
Rountree: Boy, have you got enough ideas, Matt?
Ellsworth: Mr. President, my head's spinning.
Bird: Leave the lights on. That's all we care.
De Weerd: Yes, he has enough ideas.
Rountree: Give them a try. And I see ACHD's back there taking notes like crazy, so --
De Weerd: Mr. President?
Rountree: Madam Mayor.
De Weerd: I guess if -- if we need to show a modeling on -- on that idea, I still maintain
it would -- it would severely hurt Main Street. But I woufd like to know an economic
impact, too, on the businesses that would be currently existing there.
Zaremba: Mr. President. That absolutely should be an element. I would include in that
economic impact the base line of trying to determine how much the through traffic is
stopping and bringing customers now. 1 don't think very much of it is.
Rountree: Anna, you were about ready to jump in the middle of this?
Canning: Yes, Mr. President. I just -- Mr. Ellsworth brought up a good point in that
sometimes when Council requests us to make suggestions or to ask on some of these
studies for additional studies to be done, we need to have the -- they haven't scoped it
in their project. So, I just wanted to warn you all that we may need to come to you and
ask you to request those jurisdictions to make those changes. Sometimes the staff is
unable to make them without some approval from their bosses. So, we just may need
to come back to you. That's all.
Rountree: If you want to prepare a letter to that effect, I'm sure we can get it signed.
Canning: Okay.
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De Weerd: Mr. President?
Rountree: Madam Mayor.
De Weerd: Since we do know that -- that notes are taken and a formal report is filed at
the end of our meeting -- because I'm not going to make anymore wet blanket
comments, we do know that those reports are made and read. We could even say
something in this meeting just to make sure, because I could get a phone call tomorrow.
Bird: You know, they have to report back.
De Weerd: Again, just for the record, I-- my concern is to eliminate and make Main
Street pretty much a dead end and --
Rountree: Okay. Matt.
Ellsworth: Thank you, Mr. President, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council.
Rountree: Do you need anymore from us? Next subject?
De Weerd: He loves his job.
Bird: He's done.
Rountree: Well, it's entertaining, if nothing else. All right. So, that completes your
presentation, Matt?
Ellsworth: Thank you, Mr. Council President.
Rountree: Thank you. Thank you for getting us stirred up.
De Weerd: Thanks, Matt.
(j) 2008 Parks & Recreation Fee Schedule - Park Department -
Steve Siddoway.
(k) Boys & Girls Club Building - Park Department - Steve
Siddoway.
(I) Parks & Recreation Power Point Presentation - Park
Department - Steve Siddoway.
Rountree: Good discussion. Next item on the budget -- or budget. On the agenda is
Parks and Rec fee schedule. Mr. Siddoway. And you can just run through the next
three, since they are yours it appears.
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Siddoway: Thank you, Mr. President, Mayor, Members of the Council. Never fun being
the last on the agenda, but we will do our best to get you through these last three items
in a timely fashion and hope they -- we can engage you in some good discussion. This
first item of ours is an update to our 2008 fee schedule. Before getting ,into it I want to
acknowledge two of my staff that are here in the audience today, Coiin Moss, Allison
Kaptein, our two recreation coordinators. Colin Moss is over the sports program and
the special events that we have in the city and Allison Kaptein is over the recreation
program activities, all the classes and things that you see in the activity guide and they
do a wonderful for me. With that, in the interest of time, I'd just like to invite Colin up to
the microphone to give you a quick overview of the updates to the fee schedule and see
if you have any questions on those.
Moss: Thanks, Steve. Madam Mayor, Members of the Council. Steve, if you would
just scroll up to the top, I guess. There is not a whole lot of changes this year. I don't
know if anybody got a copy of this in their packets. In the interest of time I won't go
through every single change, but if anyone has questions, I'm certainly available to
provide explanation.
Rountree: Any comments, concerns, issues, questions?
Bird: Not yet.
De Weerd: I have none.
Rountree: Okay. Have you scrolled through them all, yet?
De Weerd: Although I should make up something.
Moss: Okay. Well, thank you.
Rountree: So far we don't have any.
Siddoway: Most of the changes are related to either new classes that we are adding to
the program this year that you see here or adding a ball field reservation fee that's in
line with all other ball reservation fees for new fields that we have coming on line this
year. You have the typical items.
Rountree: Go back.
Siddoway: Okay.
Bird: I can't read -- no. Wait. The whole bunch. Go down a little. Is there something
there -- baby signs? Tell me what that is.
Moss: That is a preschool development, a baby sign language class.
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Bird: Oh, yeah. Okay. I got a grand niece that does that. Yeah. Don't do me any
good to --
Nary: It's a very effective learning tool.
Rountree: It is.
Bird: That's what I understand. You know, that's the way it's going, but -- thank God my
kids are raised.
Nary: Belly dancing is a few more down, Mr. Bird, if you --
Bird: I think I don't --
Rountree: Belly dancing.
Bird: We could -- we could have some laughs.
Rountree: Okay. Scroll on through.
Siddoway: Okay. I have reached the bottom. That's it.
Zaremba: Mr. President?
Rountree: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: Most of these are individual fees and I assume the individual would pay them
as they attend the class or the event or whatever. The very first one at the top
appeared to be a team fee, the one that went up by 125 percent -- 127.
Moss: Correct.
Zaremba: How are the team fees billed or paid? Does the team president or the coach
or somebody --
Moss: Right. Each team has a manager who is responsible for bringing in the fee for
each team and this particular one is just -- it's not actually an increase, it's just kind of a
restructuring of the fee. We are actually removing -- we are removing the player fees,
just to make things a little bit more -- a little bit simpler for the volleyball managers,
because before you would -- we would charge 15 dollars per player that they would list
on their roster we would make them have a minimum of eight players on their roster and
so instead of having that fee, we are just adding the player fees into the team fee, so
that, you know, the team fee is a total of 250 dollars now, which includes the player
fees. So, it just makes it so there is one fee instead having to add up all the players and
add your team fees. So, it just simplifies things.
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Bird: So, actually, you're just adding 20 dollars if you had eight players.
Moss: That's -- yeah. That's correct. And the reality is most teams have more than
that, to be honest with you, so it's saving teams some money in the same process. So,
we are kind of experimenting that with the volleyball, see how it works and in the future
we may -- we may go -- go towards that with softball as well, but the reason I-- the
reason I personally like having the player fees is just -- you can -- you can keep track of
how many people are participating in your leagues and just for -- to keep track of the
increases and how many people participate. Each individual player is accounted for in
the player fees.
Bird: Mr. President?
Rountree: Mr. Bird.
Bird: On your men's senior softball, is that -- is that your regular stuff like Will's kid plays
and stuff? Is that the good fast pitch or slow pitch --
Moss: That men's senior softball league is a 50 and over senior softball league that --
Bird: Oh. Okay. What's the one -- where is the summer one --
Moss: Are you talking about the league that MAA --
Bird: Yeah. The one that --
Moss: That would be under spring softball where it's highlighted yellow and the yellow
highlight is just denoting a word change. We changed it from spring-summer softball
to --
Bird: Oh. Okay. I misread that. Men's. Women's. Because I'm going, geez, I didn't
pay no 550.
Moss: Yeah. So, that's what they registered. The men's senior softball -- the 50 and
over league -- actually, the Meridian league has kind of disbanded: We kind of had a
disparity in the level of competition of the four teams we had registered and the two
teams that were getting their butts kicked every week didn't want to play anymore and
so all the teams -- those teams kind of disbanded and --
Bird: Why would you charge us older guys more money?
Moss: Those -- because as you can see it's a 16 game season for the senior league, as
opposed to a ten game season for the -- for the spring men's, women's --
Bird: Older and make us play longer, huh?
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De Weerd: Well, they can play more.
Bird: They do complain more.
Moss: Those senior guys actually were in control of the league for the most part. They
told me how they wanted their league run and I-- and I pretty much implemented that.
They have lots of different rules.
Siddoway: Mr. President -- and, Colin, while we are on the subject of softball, would
you just briefly address the growth that you have seen in the softball program and the
use that our fields are seeing right now?
Moss: Yeah. Absolutely. We -- in the past few years since I have been here it's -- I
mean it's been tremendous growth really. I believe in the first year that I was here we
had 40 -- between our mens and our coed leagues we had 44 -- 44 or 45 softball teams.
Last year we had 67 and this year we registered 84. And so it's been tremendous
growth and we are reaching -- reaching the capacity that we can have at the fields. The
addition of the Heritage ball fields will help a little bit, because we have a 60 and over
league that plays with wood bats and they have agreed to move to the Heritage fields,
because I guess they got tired of never being able to hit any home runs at our current
fields and they wanted to move to the 200 foot fences, as opposed to 300 foot fences
and so they will be moving to those fields to make some extra room on the fields that we
currently have, but, you know, next year we will be able to -- we have grown by over 15
teams for the last finro years and next year if we grow by that much we will have to turn
teams away, unfortunately.
De Weerd: They still make wood bats?
Moss: Absolutely.
Bird: Oh, man. Yeah. Wood bats are -- in fact, the high school just went to Lewiston
for a tournament up there with wood bats. And our legion team goes --
Moss: Nationally wood bats are -- due to the booming business of inetal bats and
particularly illegal metal bats, the high performance of inetal bats can cause some pretty
serious injuries with pitchers and third basemen, the players that are closest to the -- to
the home plate and I believe last year there was even a district or a league in the state
of New York that all the high schools in that particular league are using wood -- are
going back to wood bats, they are not using metal bats at all for high school baseball.
And so I'm not sure if that's going to catch hold nationally, but certainly this 60 and over
league that we have had in Meridian has just absolutely exploded. We have ten teams
in the 60 and over league right now and it's -- it's very popular with the -- and wood bats
serving a dual purpose of adding to the safety, as well as increasing the nostalgia, you
know, playing with the wood bats --
Bird: That's all we ever had.
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Moss: Yeah. I mean it's very, very popular right now and it's a recreationally-based
league and so they have several rules that make it very -- it encourages -- encourages
the guys that have been run out of other leagues, because their competition level is not
high enough, encourages them to come back out and want to play, such as you can
have a courtesy runner from home plate, as opposed to having to run to first yourself.
And so even guys that, you know, they can swing the bat, but they can't run, are
encouraged to play. And so I believe they have some -- a lot of -- a lot of older guys
that would not otherwise get to play that participate in this league. A few guys that are
over 90 years old even participate.
De Weerd: Really?
Bird: And if you have ever bought very many of those aluminum bats -- I know Mr.
Rountree has, because he had a kid play. But I cannot believe the price of them. I
sponsored the equipment for the firemen's team last year and Ron went in and bought
two bats -- well, I could have done two football teams for what those finro bats cost. I'm
going geez.
Moss: Brand new bats for -- at least -- I participate in slow pitch and it's pretty
incredible. You can spend three or four hundred dollars pretty easily on a brand new --
brand new bat.
Bird: Four hundred easy.
Moss: Yeah.
Bird: And, you know, Colin, you hit on it. I think as these kids are getting so much
better at the high school level, throwing the ball faster and these kids are hitting it, they
have got to go back to wood bats or they are going to kill somebody. You know, you get
somebody throwing 90 miles an hour and one of those big kids get hold of it, and rips it
back at the pitcher, he gets it in the head, he's dead.
Moss: Yeah. They either need to do that or start placing a lot higher restrictions on the
bats that they allow in play, because -- I mean right now with -- in the amateur softball
association, which we contract to do our slow pitch, there is a list of -- there is a list six
pages long of the bats that are banned in ASA play.
Bird: And who does the checking?
Moss: The umpires every game. We provide a list -- a laminated list at all the fields for
every game, so that the umpires -- the umpires are fairly familiar with the list, although,
like I said, it's six pages long, probably about a hundred bats long, and so it's impossible
to memorize it, but we have a list at every field to reference, so that our score keepers
can be looking and the umpires can reference if they need to. So, we try to take a hard
stance on it, but as I was just addressing to the softball managers last night, you know,
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there is -- there is a lot of problems nowadays with illegal bats and especially with
players sending their bats off to special bat makers who will drill in the core and insert
something new that makes the bat -- I mean that totally alters the bat and it's,
unfortunately, a big business right now.
Bird: Give me an aluminum bat and body putty and we will fix her up.
De Weerd: Mr. President?
Rountree: Madam Mayor.
De Weerd: I would just like to thank you both Colin and Allison. You know, our
recreation program has come a long way and certainly you can see that in the program
and the participation. It's nice to see a successful program that continues to be
expanded on and we have been waiting awhile to see progress like that. So, thank you.
Moss: My pleasure.
Rountree: And for me as well. Good job.
Bird: Mr. President. Can I ask you one more question, Colin?
Moss: Sure.
Bird: What's our sign-up on girl's fast pitch?
Moss: For the new girls fast pitch league we had -- we have nine team registered for
the 14-U division and five teams registered for the 12-U division and that I think is a
great step for the first year. We are planning on expanding on that -- on that next year,
but I-- you know, I'm very excited that as soon as we get those Heritage ball fields up
and running, we will have -- they will be used right away. So, you know, now -- now
instead of -- instead of the teams that are here in Meridian and a few that are in Boise
having to drive out to participate in their fast pitch league in Caldwell, which they have
had to do for the past, you know, however many years it's been, they can now stay right
here in Meridian. So, it's going to be very nice to have those fields.
Bird: I would -- I would request that at the end of this fast pitch I would like to know how
many Meridian youth were involved. Meridian taxpayer youth.
Moss: I can -- I can get the -- I'll have rosters of all the teams.
Bird: You will have all the rosters.
Moss: I'll have rosters of all the teams with the addresses for all the girls and so I could
certainly provide that information.
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Bird: I appreciate that.
Moss: And so, you know, I will -- if the point that you're getting at is that a lot of those
participants will not be Meridian -- Meridian youth, you know, you may be right, because
this league that we are offering that we are going to start offering this year, is going to
be a very competitive league that's going to bring in the best competition in the entire
Treasure Valley and so, you know -- and especially starting in the fall league where we
will be playing games on Saturdays -- it's my hope, anyway, that we will start -- we will
start a fall league that will play on Saturdays and the intent is to provide the Treasure
Valley with a central point where the best teams from around -- around the Treasure
Valley and southern Idaho can participate in a league and we will bring -- we will bring
teams in from Twin Falls, we will bring teams in from possibly as far away as Pocatello
and McCall and Cascade and places like that and not -- I mean, you're right, those won't
be Meridian youth participating, but, you know, they will come and they will have lunch
and dinner and they will stay in hotels and things like that.
Bird: Well, I don't have nothing but the toumament. But I'm telling you, go to Nampa,
Caldwell, or Boise and live in Meridian and play on a recreation, you pay -- you pay an
out-of-city fee and we -- we are entitled to that. Our taxpayers are entitled to that. Man,
I did it for years. We didn't have rec programs here when I was young. And I pay
through the MAA with our -- we pay for out of town for our players.
Moss: You're absolutely right. Boise -- Boise has pretty stiff out of -- nonresident fees
and so --
Bird: I think it's 30 dollars now per player.
Moss: Yeah. It's -- yeah. For a player to play in the Boise softball league I think you're
about right, it's 11 dollars per player I think for resident players and somewhere around
25 or 30 dollars for a nonresident player.
De Weerd: So, are we going to see that in your fee schedule next year?
Moss: For resident, nonresident fees? I'm actually not sure of the procedure, if that's
something that we need to be recommended by the Council or if that's something that
we can just act on and take on as policy within our department. I guess I would have
to --
De Weerd: You would have to bring it to Council, but it would be --
Bird: But it should be in your fees.
De Weerd: You would bring a recommendation for discussion and it would be up to
them.
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Rountree: Yeah. And you can support that one way or another based on your
registration.
Moss: And we certainly -- I mean I-- it would be fairly easy to bring forward some
reports of what our population is of what -- who participates in our leagues. Not only
who participates in our softball leagues, but registers for our classes and things like that
and just off the top of my head I would think that you would find it pretty even, Meridian
residents versus non-Meridian residents. I think we get a lot of people that participate in
our classes and leagues that are from Boise, Eagle, Kuna, just because we are in the
middle of the Treasure Valley and so I get -- I can't -- I can't tell you how many calls I
get of softball teams that say, you know, me and my buddies want to play on a softball
team, but we live in Nampa and they live in Boise and so nobody wants to drive either
way and so we are playing in Meridian. And so if you -- if we do start instituting
nonresident fees, I think that we would lose some of those teams, because they would
not be willing to pay the nonresident fees and would, you know, go one or the other to
where half of their team could not pay the nonresident fees. I don't -- I don't know that
I'm for it or against it at this point.
Bird: They were charging in the '60s in Boise and Nampa for nonresident, because I
paid them.
Zaremba: Mr. President?
Rountree: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: One of the ways to deal with the limited quantity, of course, is to raise the
price of using it and if we are reaching capacity on the fields with the teams that we can
get out there, it doesn't hurt us to charge a fee to the nonresidents and give us greater
capacity, it would seem to me. That's just an opinion.
Moss: And, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, Councilman Zaremba, my - just
-- my personal opinion, I guess, would be that I would like to just see more fields, so that
we can accommodate the more -- the more teams, because as the organizer of the
league, I love to see it grow like this and I would -- I guess wouldn't -- wouldn't like to
see anything pass that would stunt the growth of the league and so that's just -- I mean
a personal opinion. I can completely understand the logic of charging nonresident fees,
though.
Rountree: Further questions, comments?
Bird: I have none.
Siddoway: Mr. President?
Rountree: Is this an information only to bring forward as an ordinance change?
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Siddoway: Yes. And I believe procedurally this would need to come before Council and
fees need to be adopted by resolution; is that correct, Mr. Nary?
Nary: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, yeah, we would have to advertise the
fee changes and, then, it takes two weeks -- well, two separate publications. So, it's
about three and a half -- three to four weeks before we can bring it back.
Siddoway: So, we would just seek your direction --
Nary: Right.
Siddoway: -- and bring this back to you at a regular meeting as such?
Rountree: And in terms of providing legal notice, I would suggest that you only create a
list of the changes and not pay for the publication of the entire list, because the column
for legal advertisement is pretty stiff. Save you some money.
Siddoway: Right. You're saying just publicize the ones that are actually changing.
Rountree: Just the changes. Not the name changes, but the fee changes.
De Weerd: The ones that are new or above the five percent.
Rountree: Or above the five percent.
Siddoway: Okay.
Zaremba: And, Mr. President, our discussion about nonresident fees is for next year's
budget.
Bird: Next year. Yeah. It's too late for them.
Rountree: To take a look at. Yeah.
Moss: Okay. So, just to be clear, would the Council like parks and recreation
department to at least prepare a proposal about adopting nonresident fees?
Siddoway: Should we bring that back for next year or did you -- keep this moving
forward for this year?
Bird: I would think you would want to have plenty of time.
Zaremba: I wouldn't hold this process up while you do that.
Rountree: No.
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De Weerd: Mr. President?
Rountree: Madam Mayor.
Moss: Prepare something for next year.
De Weerd: I guess as you look at your budget request and that sort of thing for this
coming budget and look at it in terms of fall winter play, you still have time to do that, but
don't wait until next spring. I think you can have that dialogue with Council certainly as
you approach your budget time and even consider that as far as evaluating your fee
structure.
Bird: Yeah.
Siddoway: Mr. President and Madam Mayor, so if I'm understanding correctly, we will
move forward with this one as proposed and, then, investigate the other fees, but
perhaps not wait until this time next year to look at those nonresident fee.
Bird: Yeah.
De Weerd: Uh-huh.
Siddoway: Okay.
Rountree: Thank you.
Moss: Thank you.
Siddoway: All right. Our next item for discussion is regarding the Boys and Girls Club
building and the -- as you know -- as you probably all know, the Boys and Girls Club is
vacating the current building just down the street here on Idaho, the former police
station, this summer and are moving to their new location at the old Meridian School
District offices. Excuse me. And not only are our sports programs growing, but our
recreation classes, summer camps, et cetera, are growing immensely and we have a
growing need for space. You should have in your packets a memo from the Parks and
Recreation Commission from their March 12th meeting, making a recommendation to
Council that upon vacation of that building by the Boys and Girls Club that it become
available for the Meridian Parks and Recreation Department and Allison Kaptein is here
tonight to talk about our need for that space. So, I'd like to turn the time over to Allison.
Kaptein: Thank you, Steve. As Steve said, I'm here to talk about the use of the old
Boys and Girls Club slash police department building for use as a community center is
what I have labeled it. I don't know quite what we want to call it, if we -- we would have
to call it something, obviously, so for now I have labeled it Meridian Community Center.
Steve, if you could do the next slide. This is a list of the -- of the summer classes and
camp -- it's noncomprehensive -- that we will be offering this summer. The classes with
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one star are classes that are held in city parks, which are -- that's only available to us
seasonally as it's hard to hold soccer camp in January in the park. Double starred are
classes with multiple sessions. For example, if you see kids multi-media art camp, that
is our art camp that has different themes that run weekly, starting June 9th through
August 1 st, five days a week, 9:00 to noon. So, the list is -- is bigger than the list you
see here. We also have tennis and golf class that are -- take place around the city.
Our summer is admittedly our busiest season, as you can see, but our school year
program is rapidly increasing. On average we have about three classes per evening at
Meridian Middle School is our primary location, although we also have several other
locations around the city for our classes. On our busiest evening, which we have --
Tuesdays this year happen to be our busy evening, everyone wanted to teach on
Tuesdays. We had six classes in one evening at Meridian Middle School, as well as I
said before, classes around -- around the city. Our summer schedule is even more
hectic. This summer we will be having six classes or camp. And by camp I mean the
ones that you see up there, like jump rope camp. We have a belly dance camp. And
those are week long mini camps put on by independent contact instructors. So, we wil{
have six of those or classes at Meridian Middle School every day this summer. We will
also be having our Camp Mer-IDA-Moo, which is our traditional day camp and we have
two sites on either side of the freeway, one at Meridian Elementary School and one at
Mary McPhearson Elementary School and those are every day this summer through
August 1st. We are just expanding and expanding, as you saw on our fee schedule the
tons and tons of green new classes and we do have limitations in our ability to use the
school district's buildings, as well as other spaces. Steve, you can hit the next slide.
Our current facilities that we are using are Meridian Middle School and that is where we
have most of our classes. We do have a partnership with them, we offer an after-school
program there and they allow us to use their space. So, like that's where I said we had,
you know, three classes on average, six classes on a busy night. This summer we will
have six classes a day, probably two in the evening, because things slow down in the
summer for adults, but pick up for kids. We have computer classes at Meridian High
School, at Meridian Middle, and Heritage Middle. We have adult sport leagues that
Colin is in charge of. We do have daytime programs at Boise First Church of the
Nazarene Community Center and, then, we also have a program with the Sanitary
Services Company where they offer classes in their own building. The -- I think the
benefits to us having a community center of our own would be, number one, to increase
recreational offerings as a whole. One of the -- an example of that would be programs
for kids when school is not in session. I think we could call it something like Vacation
Station or something cute. I don't know. You know, Spring Break -- a Spring Break
program similar to our summer camp, a winter break program, we could have, you
know, day long programs. Something I'd really like to see is some sort of leadership
program for teens that would maybe run in -- when they are not in school or maybe
even when they are in school. We could expand our summer camp programs to ten
weeks. Currently we can only be in the school -- when school is in session, aside from
the summer, they do allow us to be in the school, but only until the first week in August
and, then, they -- the teachers, obviously, need to come back to prepare their
classrooms and their curriculum. So, they asked us to not be in there after August 1 st
this year and we have tons and tons of community members who ask us can you run
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summer camp longer. This is great -- this is a great thing for my kids. This is a great
thing for me fiscally. Why can't it be ten weeks long? So, if we had a place that was not
constrained on someone else's schedule it would be easier for us to do that. I don't
think that having this old Boys and Girls Club building would solve all of our expanding
issues. 1 think it would help us to expand further to be able to hold multiple classes
there, as well as classes at the various other locations. But I think it would -- it would
make a big dent. The biggest thing that I think that it would help is my next point,
increasing our daytime recreation programs. During the year we can only offer
programs basically after work hours, from school it's 4:00 to about 10:00 p.m. -- 4:00
p.m. to 10:00 p.m. Which makes it extremely challenging for us to have any sort of
senior recreation program, which is a great need in the community. And I think that
being able to have a place to get that -- the ball rolling would really make a huge
difference, as well as for our early childhood programs. That was -- Councilman Bird
mentioned the baby signs class. That class and our preschool fun class, which is
similar to a mommy and me class, is very popular and also community members have
expressed to us the need of a place for young families to go during the winter when
parks are unavailable, you know, moms and fathers take their kids to the park for an
hour. There is no place for them to do that in the winter with the weather being bad.
So, those are just kind of a real quick -- quick presentation on -- on our thoughts on our
needs and our expanding program. I know it's something that we could discuss in great
length, but that's -- that's what I have for you. Thank you.
Rountree: Thank you.
De Weerd: Mr. President?
Rountree: Madam Mayor.
De Weerd: I guess one of the things that as I was growing up we had a community
center across the street from our junior high school and it gave teenagers a place to
hang out after school.
Kaptein: Right.
De Weerd: I know that the Boys and Girls Club serve a certain age limit and, then, after
that it's not cool to hang out there.
Kaptein: Right.
De Weerd: And they are trying to have that separate entrance for teenagers and that
sort of thing. But have you considered maybe using this for maybe Saturday night
dances for teenagers, a place where they could hang out -- and I don't know if that's
cool or not.
Kaptein: Right. I think that that is something that would be -- I think that would be
fantastic. My heart is really in teen youth programming and as we all know, you know,
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junior high is when kids -- it's easy to lose kids and I think having something in the
evenings for them to do -- and this place would be fantastic. When I was in college I
worked for Moscow Parks and Rec and they had those teen dances all the time and as
a youth staff member we had to chaperone them.
De Weerd: That's where I grew up.
Kaptein: That's what I was going to ask you if you grew up in Moscow.
De Weerd: In fact, Jim Hall was the youth director at the youth --
Kaptein: At the youth center. I worked there for four years. It's great. It's a great
facility. And I think that would be great. I know Boise has something like that, I think, at
their -- at the Fort Boise where they have like Friday night teen night or something and I
think that would be fantastic. I think that's something we could do. It would be very
easy to program and low budget after we had kind of the whole thing going. It would be
easy to -- to do and I think a great service to the community.
Rountree: Comments?
Bird: I have none.
Zaremba: Mr. President, I think that's an excellent idea. I agree with calling it
community center, if you're searching for a name. I think that would -- I know people
have been talking about having a community center for at least ten years. I think having
this as a start to that idea would prove real quickly how seriously we need a bigger
community center. So, I'm in favor of getting the foot in the door there.
Kaptein: I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Rountree: I assume this is an information item, because this is not the only request that
we are going to see for this building I'm sure.
Siddoway: It is informational, Mr. President, and just to engage the Council in
discussion and some direction, so --
Rountree: Appreciate the idea and as we get to that point -- what's the time line with the
Boys and Girl's Club?
De Weerd: Mr. President, I believe that their time line is to open the new facility for the
new school year. So, end of August.
Rountree: Okay.
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Siddoway: Mr. President, what would the process be to securing a decision at some
point on the future use of the building? Will it be done by motion of the Council at some
point or how does this move forward? .
Rountree: Having never divvied up city property before, I don't know. I assume the
process would be for the Council to make a motion, a resolution, or -- I don't know. I
don't know that we have ever done that.
Bird: We just made a motion -- a resolution is when we did give it to the Boys and Girls
Club.
Rountree: Is that how the Boys and Girls got it by a resolution?
Bird: And we -- well, we leased it to them for a dollar a year, but -- and, then, that was
paid for --
De Weerd: Mr. President?
Rountree: Madam Mayor'?
De Weerd: I guess when they vacated it goes back to city use, so --
Rountree: Right. It would be Council action on what that use would be.
De Weerd: Yeah.
Zaremba: Mr. President, I don't know how we would -- what would we do, advertise for
alternatives. The only other alternative I have heard is the food bank and nothing
against the food bank, but I would choose parks department over the food bank.
Rountree: And I think that's a choice we have to make when --
Zaremba: But how do we ask for other suggestions? Or do we --
Rountree: Oh, I think they will come.
Bird: I was going to say, I don't think you will have to ask. We heard a suggestion this
morning.
Zaremba: Okay.
Bird: Tammy and I did.
Nary: Mr. President?
Rountree: Bill.
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Nary: Mr. President, Members of the Council, Madam Mayor. Councilman Zaremba,
you were actually reading my mind. I guess the question I was thinking you may want
to ask of Mr. Siddoway, what would be a date that would be most beneficial to the parks
to be able to plan some programming. You know, if they need -- you know, if they
anticipated a vacation date of the Boys and Girls Club is August 1 st, for example, and
there may be some need for -- I don't know if there is a need for remodeling or anything
else, but whatever they need to be able to plan some programming probably would be a
drop dead date for the Council to figure out if there are proposals that need to come in
front of you for you to make a decision to move forward, so that they could actually
efficiently use the building. So, that might be the most logical place to start is when
would they need to know.
De Weerd: Mr. President?
Rountree: Madam Mayor.
De Weerd: I guess, Bill, as we look on city owned property, to consider leasing it out or
giving it to a community use versus a department use, it would be determined more
surplus, would it, or --
Nary: Yes. It has to be -- for you to lease
don't need it. If you lease out city property,
at the time. So, you're correct.
it out, you have to make a decision that you
the decision is that there is no city use for it
Siddoway: Mr. President, Madam Mayor --
Zaremba: Mr. President, I would say tonight we can't make that finding. There is a
potential city use for it.
Kaptein: Madam Mayor and Members of the Council, Councilman Zaremba, I would
agree that we -- at the parks department, anyway, feel like we have a great use. We do
have a great, great partnership with Meridian Middle School and they have been more
than fantastic to work with. They accommodate our needs. But they can't
accommodate our every need and I don't think our partnership is for us to overrun their
facility with all of our programs. They have plenty of other people and groups and their
own groups that would like to use their facility.
Rountree: In terms of timing, I guess from my perspective, is that whomever -- whether
it's city or whatever, it would have to probably correspond to a budgeting cycle and if
there is any renovations that need to be done or budget amendments or additions that
need to be made for maintenance and operation of the building, because whoever gets
it is going to have to maintain and operate it, that it would have to be done probably in
the next couple months in order for folks to start including that in their budget
preparation. I can't imagine we could wait much further than July. I don't have a real
strong recommendation of how to find all the potential uses for the city. This is the first
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one I have heard for the city. I have heard for other community uses. I think it's
something we need to dialogue with and I don't know if the Mayor's got a suggestion of
some way of working with department heads. I'm trying to have them identify potential
uses.
De Weerd: Mr. President?
Rountree: Madam Mayor.
De Weerd: We can certainly have it as an item for discussion at our next directors
meeting and -- or maybe even operational meeting to see -- I think that the other
departments don't have these extracurricular type of needs. The fire department has
their safety center that they do a lot of their classes. The police department and the
main fire station do have nice training rooms that they have to offer both their
departmental needs, their prevention needs, as well as their public uses as well. I think
the parks department is kind of the only one that is out there. But we certainly can have
that discussion at -- at the directors meeting and verify that.
Rountree: Steve, you had a comment?
Siddoway: Yes, Mr. President. The -- I have been in conversation with the Boys and
Girls Club regarding their timing. It is my current understanding that they plan to be out
around June 1 st, depending on how their renovations continue to proceed. I got that
information from them about three days ago. So, I need to follow up with them and see
if they are still on that time line. He had said that they were -- he had been given a time
of May and told me June 1 st to give a little buffer to what we were told.
Rountree: It seems a little ambitious.
Siddoway: So, I'll follow up on that with them. We would like to be able to occupy it as
soon as possible for our summer programs, if possible. And since our -- internally our
budget enhancements were due last Friday in anticipatio.n of this discussion, I have
already submitted the budget enhancement you talked about for the maintenance and
operations of the building, as well as some basic amenities for some folding tables and
chairs that we would use to hold some classes. But that will be coming forward later as
part of the budget process, but we have thought forward to that.
Rountree: Okay. Very good.
Zaremba: Mr. President?
Rountree: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: Have you had the opportunity to actually walk through the building and
inspect and think about it?
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Siddoway: Yes, we have. Allison and I met at the Boys and Girls Club building with
Joey Schueler about --
Kaptein: A month ago, maybe.
Siddoway: Yeah.
Kaptein: A month and a half. Yeah. I think that the building would be conducive to our
needs. I think there might be the need for some remodel. I don't think a lot. It -- you
know, it would be a matter of maybe walking through with a more keen eye as to our
needs than we did a few months ago. But I think that with the separate classrooms and
part of our budget enhancement that Steve talked about with some room dividers to
maybe create multiple classrooms within their one big area to facilitate our needs.
Rountree: Thank you.
Kaptein: Thank you.
Rountree: We will take that under advisement.
Siddoway: Mr. President, Madam Mayor --
Rountree: Go ahead.
Siddoway: Okay. Last month as I was before you giving an update on several issues,
one of the items was a Powerpoint presentation that we planned to take out into the
community to meet with groups like Kiwanis or whoever we might be able to meet with
and start telling the story of parks out in the community. Parks and Recreation. And it
was requested at that time that we bring that -- the presentation forward to Council for
you to see as well. So, this is that presentation. Excuse me. I don't know why it's not
moving to the next slide. There are several benefits of parks and recreation in our
community and one of those benefits is economic and without going through all of
these, it's definitely a factor that businesses look at when locating a new business.
Perhaps not as important as schools or tax incentives, but it's regularly the third most
important factor in determining for locating new corporate headquarters. There are
economic benefits to parks and recreation that come as a result of the enhanced quality
of life that they mean for people that live within that community. There are also health
benefits associated with parks and recreation and just honing in on the middle one
there, if you -- by creating places for physical activity, you get almost a 50 percent
increase in the frequency of physical activity and that, in turn, creates a large savings
and health care costs nationwide. And that's just kind of a big picture overview of some
of the benefits. Most of this presentation is geared toward our own park system and this
is our current park system. You can see that we have parks distributed throughout the
City of Meridian and our one regional park is Settlers Park. We have four community
size parks in Heros, Tully, Storey, and Bear Creek. And, then, we have some
neighborhood parks scattered throughout. And we have the ability to walk through
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these, depending on the needs of whatever group we are meeting with -- if I come up
and click one of these parks, it will send me through to a presentation about that specific
park. We can talk about the amenities in that park that are there today. We can talk
about future amenities and we have some photos -- you can see the existing shelter.
This is the Adventure Island playground. A tremendous asset to our community. The
existing concessions building in Storey Park and the recently opened Meridian Youth
Baseball complex. If we look at Heros Park, we can look at the amenities there and the
-- currently it's soccer fields. We have plans in the future -- perhaps we should break
this one down as we did the previous one, to current and future. But we plan to put
restrooms, playground, picnic shelters, and things out in that park as well. Tully Park --
again, the amenities. The ball fields. We have the skate park out there. Soccer field.
We have two picnic shelters. Very popular. Existing playground, et cetera. Out at
Storey we have the ball fields that are out there. The shelters. The playground is --
gets a lot of use out there and is one of our parks with best shade and certainly very
heavily used. Bear Creek is our one community park in the south Meridian area and we
continue to hear a need for possibly another community park in that south area. It also
-- it has two ball fields, a soccer field, picnic shelter, playground and also is very very
popular. We have neighborhood parks across the community. Seasons Park.
Renaissance. 8th Street. Champion. Chateau. Kiwanis. And these are those smaller
parks that are, you know, approximately seven to ten acres in size that -- that serve
more of a localized need for several neighborhoods, but within a single square mile. In
addition to the neighborhood parks, we also take care of several pocket parks. The one
here adjacent to the City Hall, Generations Plaza. Centennial Park next to the Boys and
Girls Club building. And, again, just to build on that, the ability to use that building as a
community center adjacent to one of our parks really enhances its use for us. And,
then, at Fire Station No. 4 there was also a small pocket park built as part of that. One
of the questions we get most frequently is about our shelter reservations. Often people
know about a shelter. Know about your shelter at Settlers Park, you know, where else
do you have shelters, and we actually have a growing list of shelters and this allows us
to engage the community on where we have shelters and what their fees are and how
many people they will accommodate. Construction projects.
De Weerd: Steve. Mr. President?
Rountree: Madam Mayor.
De Weerd: When is the shelter at Kiwanis Park being built?
Siddoway: It currently does not have a date. Elroy has been coordinating with the log
construction companies. We came before Council about a month ago and we talked
about whether to move forward with just the straight volunteer effort or whether to go
with certified logs, with a certified contractor. We have -- we have got a clear set of
plans and things from one local contractor. We have been trying to engage a second
one, but we -- they haven't been very responsive. So, our goal is to get that moving
forward this spring still, but we still need to get a contract underway for that.
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De Weerd: Okay.
Siddoway: You can see it here on our list of construction projects. It needs to get its
finishing touches with the installation of a playground and picnic shelter. The -- we need
to add the -- the shelter is right there. Adventure Island playground and Heros Park,
those projects were both approved tonight on the Consent Agenda and will be moving
forward this spring. The 8th Street Park pedestrian crossing is dealing with a lot of
floodplain issues that we talked about earlier tonight. We have been through the
floodplain analysis and have met the no rise certification that's required by Public Works
and we have had a follow-up meeting with Nampa-Meridian and are moving forward to
work on construction documents on that. The splash pad will be getting upgrades this
spring in preparation for its opening for Memorial Day weekend and I need to come
back before you to talk about Settlers Village Square. We have just received the
construction documents and cost estimates. I believe that we will want to break that
specific project into several phases due to funding constraints, but I-- we will make that
part of a future presentation. But we would -- we do have some funds available and
would like to move forward with a phase of that project this year. We also have future
parks. Julius M. Kleiner Memorial Park, that's now on the record as part of the
annexation that came through. Sixty acres planned for a park as part of the Meridian
Town Center project near Fairview and Eagle. William Watson Park, a neighborhood
park as part of the Bainbridge Subdivision, currently on hold as the subdivision's not
under construction, but certainly coming forward. And, then, the unnamed park is the
Borup property and we got 30 acres there at Cherry Lane and McDermott and we will
be -- that one is on hold pending water, sewer, and others. But we do have a site there
and we want peopie to know that not only do we have our existing park, but we are also
planning very much for future parks. Any questions about the park side before
continuing? The recreation is also a big part of what we do. We have the -- we have
three activity guides that come out every year. The one that you see here for spring
and summer is our brand new activity guide for 2008 summer -- spring and summer. It
actually publishes a week from this Saturday. So, that will be out and has grown from
even what the last summers was and we continue to offer more and more classes. But
we have three -- one that comes out for spring and summer, one that comes out for fall,
and one that comes out for winter and separate offerings in each. You have already
seen a lot of this in the previous presentation, so I'll skip over it, but, you know, a lot of
people don't know how much we offer and this gives us an opportunity to go out in the
community and say, you know, look -- look at all that we have to offer. There is a very
wide range of recreation opportunities. We have our teen activities club where -- this is
at Meridian Middle School. It's every day. They participate in science projects, field
trips, community service projects, et cetera, and we have a group of kids that participate
there. Our summer camps are tremendously popular over the summer. Sports camps.
Camp Mer-IDA-Moo is -- goes throughout the summer and is our traditional summer
camp. I won't go through each of those, but -- but the demand for those continues to
grow and is very high. Sports leagues, as we talked about with Colin, continue to grow.
Not only do we offer softball, but volleyball, basketball, and now we are offering girls fast
pitch softball. Under volleyball and basketball and softball it -- we have coed teams, we
have men's teams, we have women's teams. Movie night in Meridian. Just to -- it's just
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amazing how this has been embraced by the community for its first year and we are
moving into its second year and its free to the community. They will be held this year
every Friday night during the three months of June, July, and August. Last year they
kind of bounced back and forth befinreen Friday and Saturdays and it created some
confusion to -- this year they will all be on Fridays. And a tremendous amount of fun.
And our schedule is published and is available on our website. I don't know if anyone's
had a chance to look at that yet, but we would encourage you to.
De Weerd: Steve?
Siddoway: Yes.
De Weerd: Before you move on with the movie night, I think it was -- was talked about
forming a partnership maybe out at Meadow Lake Village for the senior community in
providing maybe a couple of movie nights for them. Has that progressed?
Moss: Yes. Madam Mayor, Members of the Commission -- or Council, I did meet with
a gentleman out at Meadow Lake Village and I-- his name is slipping my mind right
now, but that was going to be a part of something else we were going to bring to
Council at some point, which was the rental -- the proposed rental of the movie screen,
which was my indication that that was maybe not going to happen anytime soon. And
so some kind of partnership would have to be formed to do anything with -- so that any
outside organization that was using the movie screen, so it -- it hasn't progressed
anywhere past -- past just meeting with him, because I-- it was my understanding that's
with the -- with the Council not liking the idea of renting out the movie screen, that that
may -- that may put an end to that. But I'm not sure what kind of partnership you had in
mind.
De Weerd: Mr. President?
Rountree: Madam Mayor.
De Weerd: 1 think it's an excellent partnership opportunity to serve the 55 and older
group and providing movies -- I know the senior center had mentioned something, as
well as Meadow Lake and they have a great facility to accommodate older -- for the
older sector.
Rountree: Careful.
Bird: And I have probably got enough movies for them to watch, too.
De Weerd: And you can just get them from Mr. Bird.
Bird: Francis the Talking Mule and Ma and Pa Kettle.
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Moss: Madam Mayor, I think that is -- I think it's a great idea and I was very excited
when I originally met with him, but -- and so a partnership is certainly something I'd like
to do. He's already talked with some sponsors and it's my understanding that he's
going to be working with the same audio visual company that we work with during the
summer that sponsors our program. I don't believe they are going to be sponsoring his
program as well and so it's probably going to cost him a little bit more money and so
that is just a-- I guess a decision that we would have to make that -- that, you know, we
are willing to invest the staff time that's involved, because I certainly wouldn't want to
just give them the movie screen without having them any experience of how to -- how to
set it up and things like that, because it would take -- it would take me just as much time
to show them how to do it as it would for me to just go do it myself, so --
De Weerd: I think it would be an excellent partnership and serving a different segment
of our community.
Moss: I agree. It was -- I believe it was my understanding that they wanted to do one
show before our show started and, then, one show after -- on Fridays and possibly a
Saturday or two in befinreen. So, 1 think the other -- the other thing that we discussed
was just making sure that the two programs were -- were different, so that we didn't kind
of over -- over saturate the city with all these different movie shows and we'd keep the --
keep this one to -- as we say, you know, the -- the Meadow Lake Village crowd and
have the old -- older movies that would appeal to them a little bit more, as opposed to
movie night in Meridian is generally the family friendly kid movies. You know, we have
like Madagascar and movies like that available this summer. So, I think that's a great
idea, assuming that we -- we keep -- we keep the movies -- I think the titles will separate
the crowd -- will separate the crowd out.
De Weerd: The locations will, too.
Moss: Yeah.
Siddoway: And I would concur. We just want to make it sure we are not competing with
ourselves and diluting the popularity of what we got, but I think it can be done, so that it
won't.
De Weerd: Infrequent.
Siddoway: Moving on. The Christmas tree lighting, another special event, in
Generations Plaza. We have our Barn Sour Run. It's a-- we have a 10K, a 6K and a
one mile fun run every summer. Colin, it's the weekend before Dairy Days? After.
Weekend after Dairy Days. You know, we are constantly listening and there is a lot
more ideas out there. These are just some of what we have heard. The need for a
community center. Community Park south of the freeway. People would like to be able
to reserve shelters online. Right now they do have to contact us to able to do that. Our
software doesn't allow that. Activities fair. This is kind of a fun one. Our adult dodge
ball league. It's actually going to be a reality this fall and it's going to be publicized in
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our activity guide and you would be surprised at the amount of interest it seems to be
generating. We want to engage people. So, this slide -- how can I get involved. We
want people to give us their feedback. We have a link here to the -- the survey and if I
were to click on this it would go right to it, but we have already had over 300 responses
to our survey and it continues to grow every week. So, we want to get out and continue
to get out into the community. I directly contacted the senior center last week to make
sure they had it. They had not seen it yet, so I made sure that they had it and they are
publicizing it among their members. But the response is great. To become involved,
they can become an instructor with our recreation program. They can volunteer at one
of our events. And we have a Care Enough To Share, which is a scholarship program
that if people donate funds, we will provide scholarship to needy children to attend some
of our activities. And, then, our last slide. Asking people what we currently don't have
that they'd like to see available, either in terms of programs or facilities or, really, any
questions that they would have. And with that I would stand for any questions or
feedback from Council.
De Weerd: Very nice.
Rountree: Comments? Questions?
Bird: No, just very nice presentation.
Rountree: Good job.
Bird: Very nice.
Rountree: Thorough.
Zaremba: Excellent.
Moss: Thank you very much.
Bird: Appreciate it.
Item 6: CITY ORDINANCE REVIEW:
(a) Ordinance No. 08-1354: Outdoor Sales and Temporary
Use Permit Ordinance (2nd Reading):
Rountree: All right. Next item. City ordinance review. And I assume that, Bill, you're
wanting some guidance from us on that?
Nary: Mr. President, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, actually, this is just
second reading.
Rountree: Oh. Okay. This is second the reading. Okay. Take it away, Jaycee.
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Holman: Thank you, Councilman Rountree. This is the second reading of the City of
Meridian Ordinance No. 08-1354 by title only. An ordinance of the City of Meridian,
replacing Chapter 4, Title 3, of the Meridian City Code, relating to outdoor sales and
temporary uses, providing for definitions, regulating mobile sales units, regulating
temporary uses, providing for a citizen's use permit and providing for a savings clause.
Rountree: And that's all we need.
Bird: Charlie, ask if there is anybody in the audience that wants to testify.
Rountree: For the record, if we had anybody in the public here, that would want it read
in full? Hearing no response from nobody that's here --
Bird: We continue it to next week. If you want to read it, throw the paper out there.
Moss: t have plenty in my head.
Item 7: EXECUTIVE SESSION: ISC 67-2345(1)(fl (to consider and advise its
legal representatives in pending litigation):
Rountree: Thank you, Robert. We have a request for Executive Session for an update
on a legal matter. And I think that's -- is that F? So, if I could get a motion to that effect.
Bird: Mr. President?
Rountree: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I move we go into Executive Session as per ldaho State Code 67-2345 (1)(f).
Zaremba: Second.
Rountree: Roll call vote.
Roll-Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Borton, absent:
MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
EXECUTIVE SESSION:
Rountree: Motion to come out of Executive Session.
Zaremba: So moved.
Bird: Second.
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Rountree: It's been moved and seconded to come out of Executive Session. All those
in favor'?
MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Bird: Moved we adjourn the special meeting -- workshop meeting.
Zaremba: I second.
Rountree: It's been moved and seconded that we adjourn. All those in favor'?
MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 10:25 P.M.
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