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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutesMeridian City Council Meeting • August 21, 2001 Pg. 20 Corrie: We tabled all of them? Bird: Yes. Nothing was pulled off. Corrie: I thought that's what you said but I wasn't sure that's what you meant. Okay. Well we've tabled everything and nothing left to do but to move forward then. Item 6. Tabled from August 8, 2001: FP 01-007 Request for Final Plat approval of 36 building lots and 2 other lots on 10.66 acres in an R- 4zone for Bear Creek Subdivision No. 2 by Briggs Engineering - east of South Stoddard and south of West Overland Road: Corrie: Item No. 6 tabled from August 8, 2001 is .the request for Final Plat approval of 36 building lots and 2 other lots on 10.66 acres in an R-4 zone by Bear Creek Subdivision No. 2 Briggs Engineering east of South Goddard and south of West Overland Road. Staff, I believe there's a question here on water. Am I correct, Gary? ***End Of Side One*** G. Smith: -- Council. We have three items on the agenda tonight that deal with Bear Creek Subdivision. Item No. 6 is Bear Creek No. 2. Item No. 7 is Bear Creek Subdivision No. 3. Item No. 13 is Bear Creek Subdivision No. 4. Bear Creek No. 1 is 128 lot subdivision previously approved by City Council. It is built and a plat is recorded I believe. I don't believe any Building Permits have been requested at that subdivision yet. The developer's desire for Bear Creek No. 2, 3, and 4 is to have City Council approve those subdivisions so that the development plans can go forward from my department where they are right now. They have been reviewed and approved so that the Public Works Department can write a letter to DEQ approving the plans, send them on to DEQ for DEQ approval which will in turn allow the developer to begin construction on those three segments of the subdivision, No. 2, 3, and 4. No. 2, 3, and 4 total 99 lots I believe. The conditioned approval of subdivision No. 1 was that we have presently enough water supply for that subdivision. Subsequent approvals of additional phases of Bear Creek was left to a point in time when we knew what the outcome of our production was for Well No. 22 which is being drilled or has been drilled in Bear Creek Subdivision in the park area. That well has been completed as far as drilling is concerned. It has been test pumped as of yesterday. We have a well in excess of 2,000 gallons per minute for production. It's an excellent well by all indications from the test pump. The developer has written, or the developer's representative has written a letter to your City Engineer Brad Watson. It was hand delivered to my office yesterday, Brad's on vacation now. The last sentence in his letter he states that no more than 130 Building Permits within the first three phases of Bear Creek will be requested Meridian City Council Meeting ~ • August 21, 2001 Pg. 21 prior to completion of well No. 22. That would be completion of the pump and pump house completed to the point where it is production well pumping into the system. I shared this letter with City Attorney Bill Nichols. Bill's opinion is that it's a reasonable request subject to the managing member of Bear Creek LLC, Greg Johnson signing the letter, signing the agreement. City Engineer's letter of approval of the plans and a, as you would, a will serve letter for sewer and water would be stated in terms of total number of building lots that can be connected to the city system until such time that Well No. 22 is pumping into our facility. The developer, I don't know whether I mentioned it before but the developer's intent in all this is to be under construction, get under construction for these other, at least the other two phases, two and three before, get them constructed before winter. That's their request. I don't know that I have any other comments to make. I don't know, approval of the Final Plats in anyway. obligates us to provide service and I discussed this with Bill with their submittal of an agreement that they would not request any Building Permits beyond those that were allowed in the first phase at Bear Creek. I believe that Bill felt that it did nor obligate us with a singed agreement from the developer. I believe they could still sell the lots but there just wouldn't be any Building Permits issued for the lots. Maybe even the lot sales would be restricted to eliminate any confusion between someone that would purchase a lot expecting to be able to get a Building Permit and then not being able to. It would probably be best to restrict the sale of the lots too. Nichols: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Yes, Bill? Nichols: Mayor, members of the Council. This situation will be unique in that the well is already dug. As a result of the pump test, the final tweaking of the drawings and specifications with regard to the pump facilities and the pump house itself. They now have the data or the information necessary to complete that so the public works department can go out for bid. The design on the pump house is slightly different than what you've used in other places because the generator is housed inside the building as opposed to outside. You just couldn't use a cookie cutter type plan for a pump house that you already have. So, if the Council approves these final plats, as I understand it the water issue is the only issue that stands in the way of approval of these Final Plats on two and three with a restriction from the developer with regard to those 130 as the limit until Well 22 is in tine, I don't see any liability problem for the city. Typically when the Final Plat is approved, you anticipate that you're going to have the water and sewer there immediately and then you can begin selling all the lots but restrictions on the number of sale of lots you've done in preliminary plats before, it just would be. It's acceptable to the developer to do this because they just want to get stuff done this construction season. Gary, what's your anticipated date for having the well on line? Meridian City Council Meeting August 21, 2001 Pg. 22 G. Smith: I think we should be somewhere around the end of December to have it finished. Pump and pump house. Nichols: Its doubtful that there would be 130 Building Permits pulled in the first three phases between now and the end of the year anyway. So, I don't see where we have a problem assuming that we get anon-build to limited build letter signed by the appropriate representative. De Weerd: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. De Weerd: Do we wait and get that signed limited build letter before we pass Final Plats because the Final Plats would be contingent upon that? Do we want to hold off our action until that letter is signed? Nichols: Councilwoman de Weerd, Mayor, members of Council. My recommendation would be that if you so choose to approve the Final Plats you do so contingent upon receiving the agreement form the developer to the effect that there would be no more than 130 Building Permits allowed until Well 22 is on line. Corrie: Anything else Gary? G. Smith: No sir. Corrie: Okay, any discussion? Then I will call for a motion on the Final Plat with caviots with it. De Weerd: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. De Weerd: I move that we approve the request for Final Plat of 36 building lots and 2 other lots on 10.66 acres for Bear Creek Subdivision upon receipt of an agreement on the limited build of 130 lots until completion of Well 22 and for the attorney to draw up the findings. Bird: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Bird. Bird: I would second that but I believe, do you mean lots or Building Permits? De Weerd: Building Permits, sorry. Meridian City Council Meeting August 21, 2001 Pg. 23 Bird: I'll second that. Corrie: Okay. Motion made and seconded. Any further discussion? G. Smith: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Yes, Gary. G. Smith: If I may have a clarification that would be 130 Building Permits for phases 1, 2, or Bear Creek Subdivision not just -- I mean Bear Creek No. 2 doesn't have 130 lots in it but - Bird: It would be for all four of them. Corrie: There are four of them right? There are four -- De Weerd: Four phases. Bird: Subdivisions. Corrie: Four subdivisions. G. Smith: There are four phases correct. Corrie: Four phases okay. De Weerd: Yes, it wouldn't be just for the 36 lots. That wouldn't make sense. G. Smith: Yes, I understand that. I just didn't know if there were some semantics there that needed to apply to the whole subdivision. De Weerd: No, to apply to this number, the previous and anything that follows this. G. Smith: Thank you. Corrie: All right. Any further discussion? Hearing none, roll call vote Mr. Berg. Roll Call: Bird, aye; De Weerd, aye; McCandless, aye; Anderson, aye. MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES Item 7. Tabled from August 8, 2001: FP 01-011 Request for Final Plat approval of 43 building lots and 5 other lots on 15.87 acres in an R- 4zone for Bear Creek Subdivision No. 3 by Briggs Engineering - east of South Stoddard and south of West Overland Road; Meridian City council Meeting August 8, 2001 Page 19 De Weerd: I move that we approve Ordinance No. 01-923 request for rezone from R-4 to C-C zones for Partition Specialists (inaudible) suspension of rules. Bird: Second. Corrie: Motion made and secbnd. Is there further discussion? Hearing none, Mr. Clerk, roll call vote please. Roll Call: Bird, aye; De Weerd, aye; McCandless, aye; Anderson, aye. MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES Item 9. Tabled from July 17, 2001: FP 01-007 Request for Final Plat approval of 36 building lots and 2 other lots on 10.66 acres in an R- 4zone for Bear Creek Subdivision No. 2 by Briggs Engineering - east of South Stoddard and south of West Overland Road: Item 10. Tabled from July 17, 2001: FP 01-011 Request for Final Plat approval of 43 building lots and 5 other lots on 15.87 acres in an R- 4zone for Bear Creek Subdivision No. 3 by Briggs Engineering - east of South Stoddard and south of West Overland Road: Corrie: Item No. 9 and 10 has been requested to have -- to table it until August 21, 2001 meeting. With that request in mind, I will entertain a motion. Bird: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Bird. Bird: I move that we table Item 9, a request for Final Plat approval of 36 building lots and 2 other lots on 10.66 acres in an R-4 zone for Bear Creek Subdivision No. 2 by Briggs Engineering until August 21, 2001. Also table the request for Final Plat approval of 43 building lots and 5 other lots on 15.87 acres in an R-4 zone for bear Creek Subdivision No. 3 by Briggs Engineering until August 21, 2001. Anderson: Second. Corrie: Motion been made and seconded to table 9 and 10 which is Final Plat 01-007 and Final Plat 01-011 until August 21, 2001 meeting. Any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor of the motion say aye. MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES Item 11. Continued Public Hearing from July 17, 2001: AZ 01-008 Request for annexation and zoning of 12.71 acres from R1 and Meridian C~yy Council Meeting • July 17, 2001 Page 38 said or to make the three changes in the documents to say that presently only 60 Building Permits may be obtained until access to Pine has been made available including Cloverdale, or however you want to put it. De Weerd: So, I'm referencing the annexation an delete after until and replace it with to continue Cloverdale on the northeast and Pine Avenue on available. Corrie: This is on the annexation and zoning - ***End Of Side Two*** d zoning Page 14 No. 7 to after until access both to the south has been made Corrie: Okay. Read that again so we can get it on the record. Bird: Read that motion again Tammy. De Weerd: Well, I just passed it to Bill. Corrie: Will's going to make the deal. Here it is for the record. De Weerd: I'm referencing then, yes, for this paragraph. I'll just read the whole thing okay? The applicant requests the development of 115 building lots and 15 other lots for the proposed Macaile Meadows Subdivision, but presently only 60 Building Permits shall be obtained until access to both Cloverdale on the northeast and Pine on the south has been made available. Corrie: The vote was for the variance, the Preliminary Plat and the annexation on all three of those items as amended by Mr. Anderson. Item 7. Tabled from July 3, 2001: FP 01-007 Final Plat approval of 36 building lots and 2 other lots on 10.66 acres in an R-4 zone for Bear Creek Subdivision No. 2 by Briggs Engineering -east of South Stoddard and south of West Overland Road: Corrie: Now, we're on No. 7? All right, Item No, 7 is tabled from July the 3~d Final Plat approval of 36 building lots and 2 other lots on 10.66 acres in an R-4 zone for Bear Creek Subdivision No. 2 by Briggs Engineering, east of south Stoddard and south of West Overland Road. Staff, this was tabled. He wants to table it again is this correct? You want to table again until the -- well we don't have a meeting the 31St Bird: The 7th of August. Corrie: The 7th of August. Are you the applicant? Who is here from the Final Plat on this Bear Creek Subdivision? Meridian City Council Meeting • • July 17, 2001 Page 39 De Weerd: I don't see anyone. Corrie: There isn't anybody here. We got a letter stating they wanted to be placed on the July 31St meeting. We don't have a meeting. It has to be the 7t" of August so I would entertain a motion to table this until the 7t" of August. Bird: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Bird. Bird: I move that we table the Final Plat approval of 36 building lots and 2 other lots for Bear Creek Subdivision No. 2 by Briggs Engineering to August 7, 2001. Anderson: Second. Corrie: Motion made and second to table Item No. FP 01-007 Bear Creek Subdivision No. 2 Final Plat until August the 7"' of this year. Any furthtrr discussion? Watson: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: I'm sorry, Gary. Watson: Mr. Mayor, may I make a comment? Corrie: Yes sir. Watson: We've run this subdivision through our computer model and we've utilized fire hydrant flows on Overland Road for calibration of our computer model. We provided the results of that analysis to the developers. They don't believe what we're telling them. That's the reason for their request to have this, their subdivisions both 2 and 3 tabled. Anderson: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Anderson. Anderson: Gary, in their letter here they state that they would like to do an on site test and compare the actual numbers to what this computer modeling is. I really support that because I think all it takes is someone to punch in some wrong numbers or something else. I think its good to verify the actual numbers in that computer modeling so I don't disagree with what they're doing. I would want to actually verify them. Meridian City council Meeting July 17, 2001 Page 40 Watson: That's fine Councilman Anderson. I just wanted to relate to you what we did in order to get to where we are with our analysis. It was based on modeling the flow out of the fire hydrant at Overland and Stoddard. That was taken the flow from that fire hydrant was plugged into the computer model to calibrate the model. Then Bear Creek Subdivision was modeled for flow, fire flow and domestic flow based on that actual hydrant flow. We can certainly compare the results of the fire hydrants flow now that it's active and se how the model reacts with that. Corrie: Any other discussion? We have a motion before the Council to table this final plat until August 7, 2001. All those in favor of the motion say aye. MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT (Inaudible discussion amongst Council members) Item 8. Public Hearing: VAR 01-009 Request for a variance to reduce the minimum block length in a proposed R-4 zone for proposed Staten Park Subdivision by D'Alessio Building Development, Inc. - southeast corner of North Black Cat Road and West Ustick Road: Item 9. Continued Public Hearing from July 3, 2001: AZ 01-009 Request for annexation and zoning of 8.15 acres from RUT to R-4 zones for proposed Staten Park Subdivision by D'Alessio Building Development -- southeast corner of North Black Cat Road and West Ustick Road: Item 10. Continued Public Hearing from July 3, 2001: PP 01-012 Request for preliminary plat approval of 23 building lots and 5 other lots on 8.15 acres in a proposed R-4 zone for proposed Staten Park Subdivision by D'Alessio Building Development -southeast corner of North Black Cat Road and West Ustick Road: Corrie: Okay, Item No. 8, No. 9 and No. 10 has to do with No. 8 for the variance of Staten Park Subdivision. No. 9 is a request for annexation and zoning and No. 10 is a Public Hearing also, a continuation of the request for Preliminary Plat. With the Council's approval I will open the Public Hearing on No. 8 and continue the Public Hearing on 9 and 10 and we'll put them all together and have public comment on all of those. We will have staff comments first then the developer. De Weerd: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. De Weerd: I did have a question on the order of this. Do we consider first the annexation and zoning and then the variance and then the Preliminary Plat? Meridian City Council Meeting • • July 3, 2001 Page 9 Corrie: It would be a noisy situation. Bird: (Inaudible) need to put up front so that we don't get, they don't get surprises. Corrie: Is the applicant here on the Final Plat? Any questions about what we're talking about? You've got it? Bird: He knows. Corrie: Mr. Fuller (inaudible). Council, hearing that, further discussion? Bird: I have none. Corrie: Hearing none, I'll entertain a motion on the Final Plat for Meridian Greens. Anderson: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Anderson. Anderson: I would make a motion that we approve the Final Plat 13 building lots and 3 other lots on 6.36 acres for Meridian Greens Unit No. 4 by Fuller Scott Investment Company and Glencoe, instruct the City Attorney to prepare Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law and Decision of Order. Bird: Second. Corrie: Okay motion's been made to approve the Final Plat 01-009 with the staff comments and for the attorney to draw up the final orders. Any further discussion? Hearing none, roll call vote Mr. Berg. Roll-call: De Weerd, aye; Anderson, aye; McCandless, aye; Bird, aye. MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES Item 7. Tabled from June 19, 2001: FP 01-007 Final Plat approval of 36 building lots and 2 other lots on 10.66 acres in an R-4 zone for Bear Creek Subdivision No. 2 by Briggs Engineering -east of Stoddard and south of Overland Road: Corrie: Item No. 7 as we mentioned earlier in the evening, has been requested by the applicant to table that until the 17t" of June on the Final Plat for Bear Creek Subdivision No. 2. With that in mind, I'll entertain a motion from Council to table that item No. 7. Meridian City Council Meeting July 3, 2001 Page 10 Bird: Mr. Mayor. Cowie: Mr. Bird. Bird: I would move that we table FP 01-007 the Final Plat building lots and 2 other lots on 10.66 acres in an R-4 zone Subdivision No. 2 by Briggs Engineering until July 17, 2001. approval for 36 for Bear Creek De Weerd: Second. Cowie: Okay motion's been made 01-007 until July 17th of this year. those in favor of the motion say aye. and seconded to table Item No. 7 Final Plat Any further comments? Hearing none, all MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES Item 8. Continued Public Hearing from June 27, 2001: VAR 01-007 Request for a variance to exceed the maximum 1,000 foot block length for proposed Macaile Meadows Subdivision by Hillview Land Development, LLC -south of Fairview Avenue, north of Pine Street and '/4 mile west of Cloverdale Road: Item 9. Continued Public Hearing from June 27, 2001: AZ 01-006 Request for annexation and zoning of 28.59 acres from RUT to R-8 for proposed Macaile Meadows Subdivision by Hillview Land Development, LLC -south of Fairview and west of Cloverdale Roads: Attorney to Prepare Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law for Approval Item 10. Continued Public Hearing from June 27, 2001: PP 01-006 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 115 building lots and 15 other lots on 28.59 acres in a proposed R-8 zone for proposed Macaile Meadows Subdivision by Hillview Land Development, LLC -south of Fairview and west of Cloverdale Roads: Corrie: Item No. 8, 9 and 10 we'll take at pne tlCr1~ here. It's a Continued Public Hearing from June 27, 2001. Item No. 8 is a variance, 01-007 request for a variance to exceed the maximum 1000-foot block length for proposed Macaile Meadows Subdivision. No. 9 is a Continued Public Hearing. A request for annexation and zoning of 28.59 acres from RUT to R-8 for Macaile Meadows Subdivision. Is it Macalaney? (Inaudible discussion amongst Council members) Bird: You're okay. Meridian City Council Meeting • • June 19, 2001 Page 7 Bird: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Bird. Bird: I agree with Shari. That's how I recall that it was presented. What it's zoned for is no problem but outside of that zone, then they come back for a Conditional Use Permit. Stiles: Okay. Bird: That was my understanding. Stiles: That was how this has been written then. Corrie: Any other, Council? Stiles: Okay. Thank you. I would ask that you approve those findings with the modifications noted in my memo dated June 19, 2001. De Weerd: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. De Weerd: I move that we approve the Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law on RZ 01-003, request for rezone to include all staff comments in the memorandum dated June 19tH Bird: Second. Corrie: Motion made and second to approve the Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law with the modifications that was approved on the (inaudible). Any further discussion? Mr. Berg roll call vote please. Roll-call: De Weerd, aye; Anderson, aye; McCandless, aye; Bird, aye. MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES Item 6. Tabled from May 15, 2001: FP 01-007 Final Plat approval of 36 building lots and 2 other lots on 10.66 acres in an R-4 zone for Bear Creek Subdivision No. 2 by Briggs Engineering -east of Stoddard and south of Overland Road: Corrie: Item No. 6 is a final plat for Bear Creek subdivision. That has been requested by the applicant to have that tabled until July 3~. Bird: Mr. Mayor. Meridian City Council Meeting June 19, 2001 Page 8 Corrie: Mr. Bird. Bird: I move that we table the Final Plat for Bear Creek subdivision until July 3, 2001. Anderson: Second. Corrie: Motion's been made and second to table the Final Plat 01-007 to July 3, 2001. Any further discussion? Hearing none, all those say aye in favor. MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES Item 7~ Tabled from June 5, 2001: FP 01-009 Request for Final Plat approval of 13 building lots and 3 other lots on 6.36 acres for Meridian Green -Unit No. 4 by Fuller/Scott Investment Company and Glenco -east and west sides of Southeast 5th Way south from Overland Road: Corrie: Item No. 7 is a request for Final Plat approval of Meridian Green Unit No. 4. They also requested that be tabled to July 3, 2001. Anderson: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Anderson. Anderson: I would move that we table this request for Final Plat approval for Meridian Green Unit No. 4 until July 3. Bird: Second. Corrie: Motion made and second to table item No. 7 final plat No. 01-009 until July 3, 2001. Any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor say aye. MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES Item 8. Tabled from June 5, 2001: CUP 01-013 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for the manufacturing of inflatable boats in an I-L zone for Elliott Business Park by H2NR, LLC -east of Locust Grove and south of East Wilson Lane: Corrie: Item No. 8 is a Conditional Use Permit No. 01-013 request for a Conditional Use Permit for the manufacturing of inflatable boats in an I-L zone for Elliott Business Park by H2NR, LLC east of Locust Groye and south of East Wilson Lane. Staff comments first. Meridian City Council Meeting • • May 15,2001 Page 53 Corrie: Okay. Do I hear a second? De Weerd: Second. Corrie: Motion made and second to close the Public Hearing on item No. 11 as the motion states. Any further discussion? All those in favor say aye. MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES Corrie: Okay. We'll have a draft ordinance drawn up - Bird: We don't need that in the motion do we? (inaudible discussion) Corrie: Okay. Let's take a five minute break so that those who want to smoke a cigar can. Bird: I don't know about cigars. Corrie: I'll open the meeting again at 9:15 Item 12. FP 01-007 Final Plat approval of 36 building lots ar~d 2 other lots on 10.66 acres in an R-4 zone for Bear Creek Subdivision No. by Briggs Engineering -east of Stoddard and south of Overland Road: Corrie: Item No. 12 is the final plat approval for 36 building lots and 2 other lots on 10.66 acres in an R-4 zone for Bear Creek Subdivision by Briggs Engineering east of Stoddard and south of Overland Road. Staff comments first. Stiles: Mr. Mayor and Council. This is for the second phase of Bear Creek Subdivision No.2. At this point Bear Creek Subdivision has not been recorded but there are some issues with the well being put on line out there. They've run into some problems. Gary could speak to some of those problems. You'll notice on Page 2 of the staff report under item 8, the public works department can't recommend approval of this development until such time as the new city well being constructed within phase of Bear Creek is operational. I don't know what the ramifications would be of approving this subdivision and then not signing the plat until the well was on line. I don't think that Gary is particularly opposed to that but we probably need some advice from legal counsel on what the ramifications are to approve a plat and then not be able to sign it. We have had requests already for at least one building permit to be permitted out there. However, the property has been split within any recording of a plat so no building permits can be issued. Meridian City Council Meeting ~ • May 15,2001 Page 54 Smith: Mr. Mayor and Council. The test well has been drilled for well 22 and we know where the aquifers are that we want to drill to. The specifications for the drilling of a well are all prepared except for the technicals which we are expecting any day from the hydro-geologist so we can go out to bid on the drilling of the well. That's where we are right now. We don't know what to anticipate in terms of quantity of water. The drilling of the production well will be able to show us that. And we're expecting something similar to what we have in well number 14 to the east. We're anticipating that the well would be completed by the end of this year. That is, the pump, pumphouse all complete, pumping water into the system. I meant to bring Bear Creek's Preliminary Plat hle with me tonight and I left it in the office. I wanted to check on the conditions of approval of the Preliminary Plat, which I cannot recall as far as the water supply was concerned. (inaudible discussion) Smith: I guess our anticipation of this project was that phase one, as large as it was or is. We didn't anticipate phase 2 to come in as fast, as quickly as phase 1, or as soon after phase 1 had been approved. We've also received development plans for phase 3 and phase 4 on this subdivision. Four hasn't been in. Three is in. Bird: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Bird. Bird: Gary, how many wells will these phases require? Smith: We're just anticipating the one well. Bird: On well. Okay. Smith: Right. Bird: This 8 says that the new domestic well that is currently under construction but you're telling me it's not under construction within phase 1. Smith: The production well is not under construction, no sir. The test well was drilled and the information has been received from that drilling. That gives the hydro-geologist the information he needs to prepare the technical specifications. Like I say, we're expecting those any day from him. We already had the invitation to bid has been to sent to the paper, just waiting for the technicals to come in so we can compile a total bidding document. Bird: Mr. Mayor. Meridian City Council Meeting . May 15,2001 Page 55 Corrie: Mr. Bird. Bird: Gary, then that gets to the sewer, how. I mean they're asking for building permits as I understand? Smith: Uh-huh. Bird.: And if we don't have water and sewer lines to it? Smith: Well, we have water out there, I mean that's not an issue for the number 1 that's under construction. Number 2 is the issue and that's what we're just discussing tonight. I just want to get these things under way so. There's a certain level of comfort I guess right now. I mean, our hydrolic model said that in order for Bear Creek Subdivision to be approved the well has to be there. I don't recall - if you want to split that out and say, without the well 167 lots of Bear Creek can develop. I don't know that for sure. I know that there's a number of lots that can develop without the well. But in order for the total subdivision to develop the well has to be there. I don't have that technical answer for you tonight to say Bear Creek No.1 is okay. Bear Creek No.2 is okay without the well but we can't go any farther than that. I don't think it's so much a domestic supply issue as it is a fire flow. If there was a fire. That's always the main design criteria for a water system is a fire deterrent. I guess I'm just kind of moving to the side of caution and not really having an exact answer for you in terms of how many homes can be built with the water supply that's available right now. Bird: Okay. De Weerd: Can you provide that answer though? Smith: Yeah. Yes. De Weerd: At what point? Smith: Well, we could run back through the model and see what's available based on the flows we know are out there at the intersections of Stoddard and Overland. De Weerd: And, would it be better to limit the number then of building permits than the final plat? How best do you handle that? Smith: Well, I don't know if you approve a final plat if you can then limit the building permits on the final plat. I don't know. (inaudible discussion) De Weerd: Okay. Meridian City Council Meiling May 15,2001 Page 56 Bird: So, Gary what I'm hearing the recommendation from public works is not to pass this final plat on this second section until towards the end of the year when the well is up? Smith: Well that's what the recommendations are in your packet. If you want to delay this for a week or two and give us a chance to run through the hydrolics calculations and see if we can determine without the well how many lots are serviceable. We can do that too. Bird: Yeah, but then we get back to the thing of saying we're approving the Final Plat and only allowing so many lots in there. Smith: Well, it would be either, we've approved Bear Creek No.1 and that's okay. We can't approve any more than 10 more lots and Bear Creek No. 2 is more than 10 lots so we can't approve Bear Creek No.2. Bird: I see. Okay. I misunderstood. Smith: I think we can utilize the computer model with the flow that we have at the Hydrant at Overland and Stoddard as a basis to determine how many residential units can receive water supply without well number 22 on line. Bird: Okay. Anderson: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Anderson. Anderson: Reading this packet, there's also a fetter in here from Idaho Power and they question their ability to provide power to it too. So, I mean that's two utilities, water and power that are in question for this particular project. I wouldn't feel real good about approving this tonight. Bird: I would have a real hard time approving this tonight. De Weerd: We need to wait for the numbers. (inaudible discussion) De Weerd: So, Gary do you think you can have the numbers by June 5tn~ Smith: Well, I will tentatively say yes. We're going to need to farm this out to CH2M and have them run it through the model. De Weerd: So, June 19tH would be more feasible for you? Meridian City Council Meeting May 15,2001 Page 57 Smith: I'm sure that wouldn't be a problem. De Weerd: Okay. Mr. Mayor. Cowie: Mrs. De. Weerd. De Weerd: I would move then that we continue this until June 15, 2001. Bird: June 19tH De Weerd: Or, sorry, June 19tH Bird: Second. Cowie: Okay. Motion's been made to table the Final Plat request until June 19, 2001. Any further discussion? All in favor of the motion say aye. MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES Item 13. FP 01-006 Final Plat approval of 11 building lots and 2 other lots on 20.26 acres in an R-8 zone for Murdoch Subdivision No. 2 by Howell Murdoch Development Corporation -east of Locust Grove Road and south of Medimont Subdivision No. 2: Cowie: Item No. 13 is Final Plat approval of 11 building lots and 2 other lots on 20.26 acres in an R-8 zone for Murdoch Subdivision No. 2 by Howell Murdoch. Staff comments. Stiles: Mr. Mayor and Council. This is for the property of which the new police station site is a part. You have our comments and a memorandum dated May 10, 2001. We would recommend approval of the plat with all staff and agency conditions. Cowie: Is the developer here? (inaudible discussion) Schultz: Good evening Mayor and Council. Matt Schultz, 250 south Beachwood representing the applicant. We got the same letter dated May 10th and we've reviewed. We would ask hat we modify a couple of those Final Plat comments slightly in your motion, please. Specifically note No.2. We've reviewed that comment and think that the first sentence is fine adding that signature to the Final Plat. The city does already hold a deed to that property and it's a little redundant to add a note to the face of the plat that states the city owns the lot. You already have a deed for that piece of property and you are a signator on the