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and requirements that are being put on this subdivision. We agree with the comments
and we have no concerns with meeting them and stand here for questions if you have
any.
Corrie: Okay. Thank you. Any questions?
Bird: I have none.
Corrie: I apologize. You didn't need to be sworn in on this one, but we did it anyway.
Okay. I guess no questions. Thank you, Pat. Okay. Council, if there are no questions,
I'tl entertain a motion on the request for Final Plat approval.
De Weerd: Mr. Mayor?
Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd.
De Weerd: I move we approve request for Final Plat of 21 building lots and three other
lots on 3.36 acres in an R-8 zone for Silhouette Subdivision and to include all staff
comments and ask the attorney to draw up Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law
and Decision of Order.
Bird: Second.
Corrie: Okay. Motion has been made and seconded for the final plat approval. Any
further discussion? Roll call vote, Mr. Clerk.
Roll call vote: McCandless, aye; Nary, aye; DeWeerd, aye; Bird, aye.
Corrie: All ayes. Motion for approval is approved.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Item 8. TE 02-005 Request fora one year time extension on the Preliminary and
Final Plat approval of Resolution Subdivision No. 2 by Briggs
Engineering -southeast corner of West Overland Road and South Locust
Grove Road:
Corrie: Item Number 8 is a request for a one year Time Extension on the Preliminary
and Final Plat approval of the Resolution Subdivision No. 2 by Briggs Engineering,
southeast corner of West Overland Road and South Locust Grove Road. Staff
comments.
Hawkins-Clark: Yes, Mayor, Members of the Council, this is the western most portion of
the Resolution Business Park, the same subdivision that has Mountain mew High
School in it and the approved apartment complex and others on the south side of
Overland at the corner of Locust Grove. The Council approved the Preliminary Plat
back in June of 2000. They did receive approval of their Phase 1, which is about three-
quarters of the project that goes to the half mile there. It's not the section of the corner
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that -- they received that approval on October 3rd of 2000 and then they did get last year
that one-year Time Extension for the corner of Locust Grove and Overland Road. My
understanding is that there are some negotiations between Mr. Craig Groves, the
developer of project, and ACRD on some right-of--way acquisition with Overland Road
and other things that have been holding them up on submitting a final plat. We have no
more details than that. At this point, they have simply asked for another one-year Time
Extension on this portion that's involving a commercial zone. It's already zoned and in
the city and they are just looking for a final plat extension request.
Cowie: Okay. Any questions from staff?
Bird: I have none.
Nary: Mr. Mayor?
Cowie: Mr. Nary.
Nary: I notice in the application, Brad, and I think you just said it as well, that they said
that Phase 1 received a Time Extension of one year that was from October 2, 2001.
That one's expired, so that one -- that process -- the work is already ongoing, so this is
just the next phase over from it, is that -- did I understand that right?
Hawkins-Clark: Yes, Councilman Nary. The approval of October 2, 2001 that they refer
to I believe incorrectly stated Phase 1, because phase one already has been recorded.
Nary: Oh. Okay. Okay.
Hawkins-Clark: This is strictly Phase 2, which is --
Nary: If I look up there I get a headache, so I was looking at -- but I had it right. I
understand. Thank you. Well, it looks a lot like one of my ties.
Cowie: Any other comments? Okay. I'll entertain a motion on the request for one-year
Time Extension.
Bird: Mr. Mayor?
Cowie: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I would move that we approval the one-year Time Extension on the Preliminary
and Final Plat approval for Resolution Subdivision No. 2 by Briggs Engineering,
southeast corner of West Overland Road and South Locust Grove Road, which the one-
yearextension would be until October 22, 2003.
Nary: Second.
Cowie: Okay. Motion has been made and seconded. Any further discussion? Hearing
none, roll call vote, Mr. Berg.
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Roll call vote: McCandless, aye; Nary, aye; DeWeerd, aye; Bird, aye.
Corrie: All ayes. Most is approved.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Item 9. Public Hearing: MI 02-005 Request for change of Area of Impact by
Mike Caven, Caven, Inc. for 36.94 acres located at the northeast corner
of North Eagle Road and East Ustick Road:
Corrie: Okay. Item Number 9 is a Public Hearing. This is a request for change of area
of impact by Mike Craven, Craven, Inc., for 36.94 acres, located at the northeast corner
of North Eagle Road and Ustick -- East Ustick Road. At this time I will open the Public
Hearing and staff comments.
Bird: We had a request from the applicant to place this application on hold as of
October 7, 2002.
Corrie: Okay.
Bird: It's in our deal. I suppose what we would want to do, probably, is just continue the
Public Hearing to a date -- what the letter says that now that the City Public Works
Department informs us that the sewer will be extended to this area this win#er, once the
applicant makes its determination to continue or withdraw this application, I will contact
you. We appreciate your cooperation in this matter. How can we continue a Public
Hearing? To a certain date? I mean, you know, the sewer might be out there in
January and it might be out there in May, it might be out therein June.
Nary: Mr. Mayor?
Corrie: Mr. Nary.
Nary: Is there a need to continue the matter, then? All it requires is a notice.
Bird: That's what I was thinking.
Nary: So we don't need to do anything.
Bird: We can close the Public Hearing.
Nary: Right.
Bird: And just continue it.
Nary: Right. We don't need to continue it to a date certain -- if we don't continue it to a
date certain, I guess we won't know when that is -- if we did continue it to a date certain,
it would require us to re-notice up the hearing, if we were going to have a hearing, so --
Mr. Nichols is ready to --
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3. PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT OF 107.06 ACRES
LO AND CG ZONING FOR PROPOSED RESOLUTION BUSINESS PARK BY
G.L. VOIGT DEVELOPMENT/OVERLAND, LLC-OVERLAND AND LOCUST
GROVE ROADS:
Hawkins Clark: Commissioner's this application does incorporate the high school site to
the south. This is the only one of the six applications tonight that does incorporate this
area. This was done at the request of the City. This was originally an illegal split. The
city requested that the developer's incorporate the high school, Meridian School District,
into this preliminary plat application and they have stated that they do not either support
nor oppose the proposed development. The school district is simply willing to be
incorporated into this preliminary plat application. In order to formalize the division of
land here, this 107 acres, we do ask that our comments that are dated March 20, be
incorporated. I'd like to go through about 4 of those points. The applicant has given a
response to those. I would highlight number 8, which is on page 6 has to do with the
easements which are located they are currently here along the north portion of the
project along Overland Road and along the south, typically on plats. The city has
requested that landscape buffers that are along arterial be incorporated separate legal
lots and the applicant has stated they would prefer those to be easements. Staff don't
have a problem with that. Our main concern is consistency of design and landscaping
maintenance in the future. In terms of that, we would be willing if the commission would
want to modify that and have those easements just along Overland and Locust Grove
landscape buffers. Overland Road is 35 feet wide landscape buffer. Locust Grove is 25
feet. Condition number 10 pertains to the fencing in the project and the applicant is
proposing to construct a fence along the east boundary of the Hunter. Again, staff has
recommending that Hunter be piped. They had proposed in their plat that that be left
over. There (inaudible) say that they concur with that and we would also concur with
their comment that the fence they are stating they would prefer to have a fence along
the boundary of that lateral in terms of the apartments. Our main point was as long as
there is some kind of cross connection there between the sites. Some kind of good
neighbor fence, preferably not a chain link. We would concur that if a fence if inter-
connection is provided is find in terms of that west boundary on the apartment complex.
Then, Item number 11 I think we are in agreement there. There in terms of getting,
some kind of cross connection here as the plat currently does not propose any
connection between this area, which is the proposed apartment complex and this 16
acre piece. How that happens, where it happens we would leave up to the applicant.
Item number 13 deals with the private road. Here is the proposed private road off of
Overland, which -would service this lot number 6 and then lot number 8 simply coming
down and making an "L" shaped. If it is only intended as a private drive which is stated
in their response to our written comments; basically just to provide some kind of access,
private access between these two future lot owners whoever the users are. This could
potentially be as traffic moves easterly this will be the first entrance and if it is to be
private, staff just simply have some concern as to whether this would become sort of the
primary entrance into the site and don't really have an answer but maybe some kind of
knuckle turn around instead of having that access directly onto Overland. Just cut that
off and buffer it across there. That is it on the preliminary plat application.
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Borup: Any questions for Brad?
Norton: Brad, I have two questions. Back to your number 10 regarding tiling the Hunter
Lateral. In other words the applicant agrees to the the Hunter Lateral and provide a
neighborly fence by the apartment buildings. Is that correct?
Hawkins Clark: Correct.
Norton: Then my next question is number 11, the suggestion of the cross access road.
What was the applicants response or did they respond to number 11.
Hawkins Clark: They did. If I can read it for you if you didn't receive. It states a
vehicular connection between site A and B could be accomplished from the driveway
between building 7 and 8. So they are kind of combining applications here. Building 7
and 8 -here is the next project but so just so you'll see what we are talking about. I
.believe they are referring to this northern area here. Here is building 7 so it would be
essential be coming in off -the connection which they are saying would be on the south
here. It would be coming across through there. Here is the Hunter right here and in
order to get some kind of connection here, the proposed daycare is here.
Norton: So they are agreeable for the cross traffic then.
Hawkins Clark: I would point out they say could be accomplished. They have not out
right agreed in their response.
Barbeiro: Brad could you go back to the plat that we had before showing the school
district site. Incorporating the school district into this plat, will have the school district
site currently as an R-4. Then the school district would come back later to change the
zoning on that.
Hawkins Clark: High schools are permitted in an R-4.
Barbeiro: I did not read it as tiling the lateral. I though that was going to remain open.
Staffs recommendation not the way we had it originally. Okay, that's why I was
confused.
Hawkins Clark: It is city ordinance. It would have to be waived by the City Council if
they were to leave it open.
Borup: The applicant like to come forward.
Bowcutt: Becky Bowcutt, Briggs Engineering.
END OF SIDE ONE
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Bowcutt: Just for the benefit of the residents that are here, this application is that plat
which we are asking to basically subdivide the property or cut it up into those lots
shown. This does not approve any particular use on the property. This is just a plat.
As Brad indicated, when we came before the City with pre-application conference Miss
Stiles asked that we include the school district's lot as part of this plat. She has some
concerns because it does not have frontage on Overland Road. It has an easement out
to Overland road but no frontage. We talked to the school district. At first they were
opposed then we stated it would be of no cost to you. We will put it in with ours, so they
said fine. That would be good just as long as it's just the plat. That is what we have
done here. What we are proposing is to build this 60 foot collector roadway coming in
at this location here. In the preliminary site plans that I've seen on the school, they
anticipate the building being located in this particular area kind of next to the Hunter
Lateral. The school would be located in about this area and the reason being is the
demography of the site. That has a slope to it so the building and their parking lots
would go real well there. If they were to put ball fields they would have to do a
substantial amount of grading. They anticipate the flatter portions of this site being
utilized for their fields. This collector roadway will be bringing extending 12 inch water
and 10 inch sewer down the collector roadway to here, stubbing to this site. This street
here, the traffic circle and the stub street to our eastern boundary and then this roadway
here are all proposed as public street to be built to public street standards and
dedicated to Ada County Highway District. When the school is completed, the highway
district then anticipates a light will be needed at that location. The school alone will
generate approximately 3000 trips per day. The problem with the high school is its peak
hour happens in a 30 minute time frame. In the morning, at lunch and when they leave.
It is a short period of time. It is hard to manage that type of traffic. It's been explained
to me that their peak traffic would be comparable to say retail uses that generate 25,000
.trips a day because it is such a short timeframe. The little lane that we have right here,
we have viewed that not as a private road but kind of an access driveway. Because the
property line for the multi family would adjoin here, under uniform fire code we've got to
have vehicular access like around these buildings. Like here, around the arena there is
an access. That is what we intended this to function as. Each of these lots having
cross access agreements or easements we show that on the plat, if staff still chooses
for access, but we did not intend it to be like a public street. I see staffs comments that
their worried that somebody. may come down and go that direction. We may have to
study that a little bit and talk to the traffic engineer and see if that would be a problem.
With kids, cause they cut through that driveway we would want to know that now not
after it's built. In staff's comments, just briefly I'll go through them. We have agreed to I
believe most of their comments stated that we would comply. Pressurized irrigation, we
will be building a pressure irrigation system to Nampa Meridian Irrigation standards,
turning that system over to the district. I have contacted the Meridian School District to
see if they would like to participate in the design and construction of a large regional
pump station that would have the ability to service their ball fields and so forth. I have
not received any answer. They may feel it premature at this time. If they have no
interest in the pump station then we would proceed with building our pump station.
Typically the way the systems are designed they have the ability to be upgraded with
larger pumps and so forth. There was a discussion on landscaping on Locust Grove
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and Overland. We meet or exceed the requirements of the ordinance. We would like
that to be an easement. We would be glad to put that easement on the plat. It is an
easement for landscaping under jurisdiction of the association tying that into the
protected covenants. As staff indicated, the purpose for that is to have consistency in
the type of landscaping and the maintenance of that landscaping long term. Item 10,
staff asked that we pipe the Hunter Lateral. We have agreed in our investigations on
the Hunter Lateral we take a 36 inch concrete pipe approximately I believe your policy
has been if it is less than a 48 inch then you are required to pipe it. We have agreed we
will pipe it. The apartment complex, they feel it is important that they have some type of
perimeter fence there. For buffer, for security purposes it wouldn't be like some
industrial chain link looking thing. They want something that would look residential. As
far as the interconnection we took staffs recommendation and we thought yep, that
makes sense. Then we could capture some of that traffic in-between the two parcels
and the two types of uses. If I may, this is kind of what we anticipate would work. It
would be an access point between building 7 and 8 just above the traffic circle,
interconnecting the two users. That would provide pedestrian access and vehicular
access between the two. We feel the fencing along the remainder of that western
boundary would not hamper interaction between the two uses. It would be-this access
would be extended. This building would be clipped off. This access would be
(inaudible) right here. I believe that is all that we have. The rest of the conditions we
are in agreement. Do you have any questions.
Barbeiro: On the road connecting in from Overland to the high school, how many lanes
is that?
Bowcutt: The highway district is going to determine the number of lanes. At this point, I
don't believe it has been determined. We are providing a 60 foot right of way there with
a 41 foot section, is what we anticipated. Your going to have multiple turn lanes out
there at the entrance though. Like your probably -that entrance will be widened so you
have multiple left hand lanes catching the light. With the volumes, there are going to
have to do something like that. Maybe a free right hand turn. We will know that within a
week of what they anticipate the build out for that. If they need a little more right of way,
we do have quite a bit of landscaping running parallel on both sides of that collector
roadway.
Barbeiro: In the absence of the Ada County Highway District report then you would
intend to having one lane in, two left hand turns and one right hand turn lanes for a total
of 4 lanes wide at this point.
Bowcutt: Possibly.
Barbeiro: And, of course you would not use the second left hand turn lane until
Overland was 5 lanes (inaudible). In the mean time that would be cross hashed.
Bowcutt: They'd have to obviously have to do something like that, unless they can
convince them to-improving that to 5 lanes, then it would be all ready to go.
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Barbeiro: The Meridian School District in their notes asked for an additional access,
emergency access, to the north to Overland. The current plat that you have does not
address that and I did not see it in any of the additional notes.
Bowcutt: I took a copy of this plat over to the school district and asked for input. They
did not give me any comments to that effect, but they may have commented in writing. I
have not seen that. There is a stub street here, at this location here at the eastern edge
of Los Alamitos. There is a stub street located at the southern end in Los Alamitos.
The vehicular access is intended to be that collector roadway there. We did not want to
send the traffic this director here. That was based on the neighborhood meeting that we
had. One of the main concerns that we heard from the residents, I believe at
Sportsman Pointe, was we don't want that traffic going on to Locust Grove. We are
trying to concentrate it at Overland: I think the secondary access is for emergency
purposes, was it not?
Barbeiro: That was the request. If I may quote Jim Carberry of the Meridian School
District, Joint School District #2 would like to see a secondary access road to the north
of the school site. According to the plat, there is only one entrance to the high school
site from the north. This particular one does not explain whether it was an emergency
or full access.
Bowcutt: We have multiple points along here that we could, depending on their
configuration because I don't know what their site plan is. They don't have one yet. I
was told that they have authorized the architect to begin the site planning, but I have not
seen any drafts other than a hand sketch that was given to us back in 97. There is
multiple points that we could create emergency vehicle access through the complex
itself. You could even come along here, here or along this parking lot. Like I said, it will
be contingent upon their site plan because if I put one over here and that is the baseball
diamond, it's not doing them a lot of good.
Barbeiro: I was at the Meridian School District planning meeting for the new high
school. They do have two proposed site plans. One which is a single building site plan
and one is a campus site plan where the high school might have 3 or 4 different
buildings and how those would be situated with the field. I would hope that you'd get a
chance to meet with Jim Carberry. Again, I just happen to run into him today and he
mentioned that the road had not been included in any of the plats that he'd seen and
wanted to be sure that they wanted to do that.
Bowcutt: Okay. I'll be glad to meet with them if they have something that is more
concrete then what they had a few years back and we can work with that and try to
satisfy them.
Barbeiro: The high school going in behind here and as you said your going to have
students flying out of there at lunch time, what provisions have you made for walking
access from the high school to the existing businesses.
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Bowcutt: If you look at the colored-this is just a larger version of the site plan that is up
there except in black and white. We have meandering sidewalks that will meander in
the landscape area parallel with this collector road. They'd be off set from the roadway
which would be safer for the pedestrians then putting the sidewalk (inaudible) a curb.
They will meander through our landscaping all the way up to Overland and then will end
up putting sidewalk all along our Overland frontage. That is always a standard condition
of the highway district and the City of Meridian. We'd then end up putting sidewalk all
along our Locust Grove frontage and then there is pathways that are delineated- through
out the multi family complex and then we show some pathways that run through here to
try to link everything up pedestrian. One of staff comments was like to provide bicycle
racks at some of these various uses. We concurred. That is an excellent idea.
Barbeiro: Where I see a concern is since the building will be right here, they are not
going to bicycle over here and then come back around over here. They are going jump
side here, here.
Bowcutt: No, they come through a pathway there at that southeast corner here. This
would be piped, the Hunter Lateral. There would be no barrier for them here. We could
put a pathway and meander it in here to intercept with the sidewalks or walk ways within
the interior of the complex.
Barbeiro: That would be a very, very nice idea. Having taught at Meridian High School
and Centennial and Eagle High School, I have seen every traffic disaster that teenagers
can do in high school environment. Is this site here that the school site in total or does
in incorporate off to the side.
Bowcutt: No sir it doesn't. What you see is everything that the school district owns.
The out parcel right there is owned by the city of Meridian. That parcel is 4 acres. That
parcel is 2.3. That parcel there in Thousand Springs adjoins it and I think it is 3 or 4
acres. That was going to be some type of a neighborhood park. Just to service the
neighborhoods.
Barbeiro: The plans that you have-do they-I thought the lateral would be open. Wilt.
the landscaping remain along the tiled lateral.
Bowcutt: Nampa Meridian typically if we the it, then they want a gravel access roadway
over the top of it and they won't allow us to plant any trees. We can't even plant turf
within their easement without their approval through the license agreement process.
We would have to work with them. Probably the optimum thing would try to have
something that could function both as their access drive and as a pathway. Even if it
were gravel, it could function that way.
Barbeiro: Assuming I am a teenager with a new drivers license, your proposed access
would cross over the lateral -zigzag through your multi family, I am the sixteen year old
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going to make this run here -cross over to get to Locust Grove so I could make a left
turn, so on and so on.
Bowcutt: We've discussed that: That was one of the concerns of the multi family
applicant. One of the things that we talked about was possibly putting up coded gate for
the residents and the residents have the code. I've seen that done on some retirement
complexes in Boise. Older ones that back up, I think this one backed up to a shopping
center, they had a key pad. That one was pedestrian only, whereas this one would be
vehicular and pedestrian.
Barbeiro: So you'd put a center gate which would allow pedestrian traffic and bicycles
to pass at will.
Bowcutt: We don't want to create a cut through situation either. So, something like that
could be done.
Borup: Becky, I think most of my questions have been answered. I am assuming that
you had mentioned (Inaudible) Overland is five lanes now. I assume you design
allowed for the additional right of way.
Bowcutt: Yes sir. The site planning for Overland and Locust Grove takes into
consideration of the future right of way needs to expand .both the roadways to their build
out width.
Borup: Thank you. Now I'd like to invite up any public testimony, We do want to hear
from everyone this evening. This is concerning the platting. Not the specific buildings.
We may need to enf~,rce our 3 minute limit but we will see how it goes.
Shipley: John Shipley. 2770 S. Locust Grove. Listening to you folks, I don't recognize
anybody but Mr. Borup. I have not been here for a long time. Obviously, if you knew
what the law actually said about developing something ahead the roads and the
schools, then it would be appropriate to address these things after those things were
done.
Borup: Is there a law that you are aware of that we are not.
Shipley: I am aware that there can only be so many cars on the -
Borup: You specifically said a law sir that we weren't aware of.
Shipley: It was talked of in meetings and past times and I'm not aware of why nobody
here knows about it. I don't know the number. If your speed is impeded by 1/3 the
speed limit because of traffic, then there is too many cars. If you go ahead and okay all
of this stuff without knowing what the highway district people have got in mind then it is
just like spinning wheels.
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Borup: We agree. Maybe I need to repeat that again. Our intention-we have all ready
discussed prior to that we will not be making any recommendation without the highway
districts report. It is not our policy, especially on a project of this size.
Shipley: Is the man named Kent Brown is he the same one that works at the highway
district.
Borup: No he isn't He is the same name, different person.
Avera: My name is Herman Avera. I'm at 947 E. St. Maarten Drive in part of the
Meridian Greens Subdivision. My concern if I understand the numbers correctly, is that
they are suggesting that the high school is going to add an additional 3000 trips per day.
At lunch time most of the fast food places that are there now are out on Meridian Road,
which means they are going to have to get out on this one road, make a left tum onto
Overland and go down to Meridian and make a right turn there to get to the fast food
places for lunch. It would seem that you make a 1000 trips for that and then 1000 trips
to get out of here in the afternoon and there is no light or stop light at that exit and that
is the only exist out of there. My concern is for the safety not only for the students, but
pedestrians who might be walking across there, because I know that the school buses
stop along Overland Road now to pick up and drop off elementary kids. I don't know
how that is going to be addressed.
Borup: You feel a signal is necessary?
Avera: Certainly a signal will be necessary by the time the school completes and the
children are driving in and out. Yes.
Barbeiro: Mr. Avera, if I may. If we used Eagle High School as a comparative, about 20
percent of the students at Eagle High School do leave and go onto Eagle Road for
lunch. Meridian High School is closer to 30 percent. I believe this high school will be
somewhere in-between. That would give you between 240 and 300 leaving at lunch
time, not the 1000 you had thought.
Avera: Do we think that 240 leaving here and turning left without a signal is safe.
Barbeiro: It is never-the school is not intended to open prior to a signal being at that
intersection.
Christianson: James Christianson. 241 S. Brandy Jewel Avenue. I could not see the
plat of the apartment buildings of where the access was to the apartment buildings. Is it
coming off of Overland or -
Borup: They were talking about right here. This is the apartment buildings here and
there is-
Christianson: I met how do they get out of the complex.
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Borup: Overland. That is the intention. Staff (inaudible) some access here so that
people who live in these apartments can get to the commercial buildings.
Christianson: (Inaudible) if they were going to the access road where the school is to
get out or if they was going out on Overland.
Borup: If they are travelling anywhere, they going Overland. If they want to get to these
businesses I would assume they would use that so they don't have to fight the traffic.
Thank you. Anyone else.
Cushing: My name is Terry Cushing. I live at 1989 E. Doberman. My concern is that
and I know that some of this has been addressed but I talked to the Ada County
Highway District the other day and they assured me after their meeting that they was
going to they figured this complex would generate 12000 trips a-day. What they said
was it would add 6000 and they figured the six was from people who would all ready be
on Overland road or in the area. As a person who has to come up Locust Grove and
turn onto Overland several times a day, I find it very difficult to do safely. I think that
adding any kind of load to the streets there, until that street or until the light is put at
Locust Grove, and in front of the high school, I think that it is an error that we should not
be in acting any -I am not trying to say not in my backyard or anything, but gracious
sakes, we've got to be able to get out on that road and right now it is difficult and if you
add 6000 trips, it is going to be impossible.
Hinkley: Nathan Hinkley. East Puffin Court. What I want to know is what else is going
to have to happen. There is no two ways about it. That land can't sit dormant forever.
They want to build an ice skating rink and put stores in there and offices and the high
school. I'm going to have to pay for the high school so are all my neighbors and my
daughter will be using it. That is only right. But, for the rest of it, why does Ada County
and the tax payers have to pay for the street improvements. I've done a lot of street
lighting and a lot of traffic signals, why does not the developer pay for it. The developer
should pay a little of it. They are adding the traffic. They are adding the congestion.
Just asking why.
Borup: Why they don't pay 100 percent of it?
Hinkley: Not completely 100 percent but most of it. Why don't we get the roads built
and the traffic signals in and then give them permission to go ahead and build. We vote
on these things as we go, public hearings, city approvals or whatever.
Borup: The applicant may want to clarify that but from her earlier testimony and
assuming that's correct, she stated that 85 percent of the funds would be coming from
impact fees, which is paying by the development. So, that has to happen first before
the money is there. So the 15 percent would be from tax payers. 85 percent from the
impact fees. Yes, developers in this area.
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Hinkley: Will we get the roads built and the traffic signals and then put all this stuff in.
Borup: Because you won't have the money. They have to apply for the permit and then
they pay the money at the time they apply and then the money there. It can happen
gradually. Anyone else like to come forward.
Rassmusson: Sonya Rassmusson. I live at 1395 E. Peacock. I know there is a lot of
concern about all the traffic that will happen. There on Overland especially with all the
high school students. I am worried about it too but it is really important that we get a
high school because the high school is so over crowded and we do need on there. It is
a good. location. I am hoping that there is a lot of neighborhoods close by and that I am
hoping that the school district will put walk way access from Los Alamitos. It would be
nice if the students from Sportsman and even Meridian Greens could walk to the school.
I am hoping that will alleviate a little of the traffic. I know a lot of kids will still drive, but I
think it is important that we work with the Ada County Highway District. Even just
getting a turning lane and a light at the beginning when the school is opened, I know I
talked to them. They are not looking at doing anything until 2004 and they aren't going
to bump that up just because a school is going in. I don't know. How does the Planning
and Zoning Commission-can you work together with the Ada County Highway District
in getting a turning lane and a light?
Borup: I agree. I think that is -again it's my personal opinion. I think it is going to be
necessary for this. I think the applicant would agree with that too. Tom has said the
school is going to require a light and the turning lane is going to need to be without
stopping up traffic, so I think those are two very pertinent suggestions.
Barbeiro: I understood that before the school opened there would be a stop light there.
That was one of the requirements and also turn lanes. Are you referring to Overland
and Locust Grove or the intersection where the high school will be coming out.
Rassmusson: Right now the school only has that one main entrance. They were
thinking they should have another one but they have no plan for it right now. The ideal
location would be off of Eagle Road but they'd have to cut across. I don't even know
what is going in there, next to the site. Is there anything planned for over there? The
neighbors are going to fight if you go through Los Alamitos as a-they don't want
teenagers running up and down their streets. They need to find an entrance
somewhere else but have at least walk way access for the students to walk through and
for the community. They want to involve the community and use the facilities so it
would be nice if neighbors could walk.
Barbeiro: Are you referring to popping a little easement so that they can access the site
just by walking through it. The school intends to be right here and these are all going to
be lawn fields so of course you couldn't have a driving access.
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Rassmusson: ~Vo, but they are still going to be cutting through neighborhoods. If I lived
in that Subdivision, I would not want because if you had football games you'll get a lot of
traffic going through those neighborhoods.
Barbeiro: I think this is one where when the final layout for the school comes out, that
would be the time to find out how you wanted to have that cross traffic going through.
don't see the cross traffic coming from the high school because it is intended to have
emergency access, but this road here will be the single entrance in with the hope that
an emergency road may come along.
Borup: Any one else.
Bertell: Marianne Bertell, 2534 S. Velvet Falls. In all of this development the impact of
all the homes, we still have two more Subdivision being completed also in that area and
all of this, I really fell the at the City of Meridian needs to put some bike paths and park
area usable to the public that live there now and pay taxes. Some of that area should
be set aside for the public who lives there.
,Borup: Maybe like right down at this corner would be good.
Bertell: That is not big enough and it is not accessible. You can't get through to it.
Borup: How many acres do you feel it should be?
Bertell: I don't know. I just know more than 5 acres. You needs access also from
Locust Grove for people walking, biking etc.
Borup: That is a question I don't know if we know how they are proposing access to
that park area.
Bertell: It would almost have to go up where your commercial zoning starts and cut
across somehow.
Borup: Right now there is street stubs right here that would get to the park.
Bertell: But again they are the Subdivisions and people don't want everyone coming
through their subdivision. There is a lot of people needing access to a park area and to
the school from Locust Grove. A bike path. A walking path. Then, some sort of public
park large enough to accommodate that large of area of population. 5 acres is not
adequate for that large population. There will be thousands of homes there.
Traston: John Traston for (inaudible) sub. I was wondering if anybody considered
another option on the high school on which instead of having it located back off of
Overland, if it joined Overland there would be room for two access streets and to the
high school parking area. That would alleviate the high school kids from having to drive
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in and out of residential areas or retail store areas. Instead of having it behind, have it
right upon the street.
Borup: And then have the people drive through the school to get to the retail.
Traston: Well there in behind that there is room for a park.
Borup: And your talking to the wrong people here. We are not the school board.
Traston: Yeah, but that seems it would take care of a few problems as far as access for
the school and then it would also take care of the next problem number 5 on how to get
rid of that nasty old farmer complex.
Borup: Anyone else before we sum up. Seeing none. Becky any final comments?
Bowcutt: Just briefly, Ada County Highway District stated to me today which is
consistent with what Mr. Barbeiro has stated, that they would not allow that high school
to go in without that signal being there. They had the same requirement for Eagle High
School at Park and Highway 44. Concerning the traffic, we pay for a lot of our
improvements with impact fees. The majority of the development out in this vicinity had
been single family dwellings where you are paying 600 700 dollars per home. That
money is coming in. When you start having your larger users, such as the ice hockey
facility or a retail or an office building, they are getting that money in a big chunk. It is
not hundreds of dollars, sometimes it is hundreds of thousands of dollars. For example,
the BLM Building that we did, the impact fee for that facility. was all most $200,000.
That provides a lot of money for the highway district to go in and bring these roads up to
par. As I stated before, if we can get the highway district to look further down the road
and get this as a priority, then it will benefit everyone including the eventual school
district. They stated it is on their 5 year plan. It is not 20 years away. It is on their 5
year plan. The way they work it with their 5 year plan, if it is on there, there it is
programmed. It may move up on the schedule. It may move. back on the schedule. A
good example is the Locust Grove improvements that are taking place in your vicinity.
They moved -those were supposed to be in 1999. They moved them out to 2002.
Then they moved them back to 2000.. They have juggled around 4 or 5 different times
and finally they ended up making the improvement on the bridge. That is how they
work. They've got a lot of people that have many items on their wish list and they are
trying to prioritize. I feel that this high school is obviously going to have to be a priority.
The safety of the teenagers, the adjoining developments is a priority. The stub streets
here in Raven Hills and in Los Alamitos, when those Subdivision were designed, they
were intended to be a residential street to connect to another residential street because
this property had come through as a single family development. They were never
intended to be a collector roadway for any use more intensive such as the high school.
The city has been putting that together (the park site) and has been donated as each of
these properties developed. When this property was annexed they got 4.2 acres.
When Los Alamitos was developed they got 2.9. When Thousand Springs was platted
they got another 4 and when this parcel here is ever developed or asked for annexation,
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they will get the last piece of the puzzle. I think that the intent is to be between 10 and
12 acres. It is a neighborhood park, not a community park. As far as a park that people
would drive to, they want a park that people will walk, bike, job and so forth. It is not
intended to be like a sports park or regional park that you find at Eagle Road and
McMillan. That one the City of Boise has been constructing and that sits on 40 acres
and it serves the whole west side there. This is just intended to service these
Subdivisions. Right now we've been working in Thousand Springs Development.
We've been working on a crossing of the Ridenbaugh Canal to make a connection
between Los Alamitos and Thousand Springs. That will also facilitate people walking to
the park and back and forth. It will also take some vehicular traffic and take it eastward
out to Eagle Road, so that will also help. It will give you guys a secondary access
because at this point of time you have one access here with a connection to Raven Hills
there, but they both dump to Locust Grove. That gives you an alternative.
Borup: Any questions for Becky. One clarification. You said ACRD said their going to
be putting a signal in-part of that signal include the turn lane. Is that part of the signal
design normally or did they indicate either way. Is that something you anticipate the
developer would be taking care of.
Bowcutt: I anticipate we will end of putting the turn lanes-I think the traffic study stated
that a middle turn lane needed to be provided in Locust Grove.
Borup: I was. thinking on Overland.
Bowcutt: Extra lanes in Overland, widening of Overland there and creating some turn
lanes. I won't know the specifics until the highway district completes their analysis. We
are going to have to pay our proportionate share. I had some developments where they
figured our share of a signal was 50% or 30% and you pay you trust fund that money so
.you write them out a check for X number of dollars. That money is then used to put that
signal in. That happens. We can't-someone says well why can't this wait till the
roadway goes in. I don't think they are going to build the roadway until the development
goes in and the school goes in. If my development doesn't go in, the school can't go in.
We've got to pull the sewer, the water, 3 phase power, bill collector roadways, there is a
lot of work that's got to be done. We spent $250,000 just getting the sewer across
Interstate 84 to Overland Road. That was 2700 feet of a big deep sewer line. We
assisted the City with the water line and doing a joint effort there which saved the City a
considerable amount of money. We used the same contractor and did a joint effort. We
have been trying to do our part to improve the infra structure out in this area. We are
not going to stop here with the roadway. We are going to do what we can. The
highway district can't tell a developer go in and you build Overland Road 5 lanes all the
way over from Locust Grove to Eagle Road. The reason being is the need for that
roadway to be improved is not just due to our usage, but the existing usage in the area.
They can't put that burden upon you. In fact if they do make you do certain things that
increase capacity that is not related to you, they have to reimburse you.
END OF SIDE TWO
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Bowcutt: Friday of this week in draft form.
Borup: I just want it to be before our next meeting.
Bowcutt: Yes.
Barbeiro: !wanted to clarify, you had discussed about entering into some sort of
agreement where you (inaudible) would pay for the widening of Overland to the half way
point, then the County would cover the rest of it. It would be in one single project.
Bowcutt: That is what we are trying to do. A joint effort to try and cut down on the cost.
Barbeiro: Your going to pay a considerable amount in impact fees.
Bowcutt: They would give you impact fee credits. That's what we discussed. Like they
said, they qualified that. That has to have approval of the Commission. The staff can
not make that commitment. For example for the public, say we spend $300,000
improving Overland Road and installing a signal. Then, the impact fees that would be
applied to the uses on the site, that money would be credited so you would not have to
pay those impact fees. They have a provision to go about it in that fashion but it has to
have commission approval because they are basically dispensing with public funds and
staff can't do that.
Barbeiro: In other words, you would pay your impact fees up front as opposed to
paying them incrementally as the buildings come in and then as you buildings come in
the County would credit you back the fees that would have come from those individual
lots. One of your options is to pay up front impact fees that you may not be charged for
6 or 7 years until you get complete build out.
Bowcutt: If Ada County Highway District would agree to that. I have some projects
where they would not agree. A lot of it depended on they didn't want to see a portion of
a roadway improved because they believe that that causes more hazard then it helps.
For example, say building Overland Road from Locust Grove for a half mile 5 lanes and
then it nets down to two. They'd want to be able to do the whole thing and (inaudible)
sometimes they will say no, we don't want to use impact fee credits in this instance.
Barbeiro: Somehow I think with the implementation of a high school in this place you
would find an exception.
Bowcutt: I would hope that they will work with us and I have asked them to look at the
options and be open minded and take into account that school that that is going to
happen within a relatively short period of time.
Barbeiro: Also wanted to get your confirmation if you are aware of it, while the school
comes in here about 1/3 of a mile, I believe it was intended (inaudible) was planning to
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have another light at that point and then go out to Eagle. This 1/3 of a mile was -the
light was much later on until of course it is all built in so they would go a light at Locust
Grove, the high school and 1/3 mile.
Bowcutt: That was one of the things that they discussed today was the timing of that.
think they believe that the light at Locust Grove would come first. My question to them
when the overpass is constructed which that may become a reality from what I'm
hearing. Its being lobbied for. My question. was, would that light then the money spent
be wasted and their indication was no. They would have to move the light, but the
money spent would not be wasted.
Barbeiro: Apart from that when you talk about moving the light-when they planned the
lights they still will likely be out far enough where they can build the road and not move
the lights. All they have to do is rewire.
Bowcutt: One of the engineers thought they would probably have to move it a little bit.
Why they do that I don't know. Maybe they can't get it out that far when the roadway is
up here. The arms are only at certain length. I don't know. He thought it would have to
be moved.
Borup: Thank you.
Norton: Mr. Chairman, I am ready to make a motion. I move that we continue this
public hearing to April 11, 2000 so we can hear and read the ACRD report. This is for
the request for the preliminary plat of 107.06 acres of LO and CN zoning for proposed
Resolution Business Park.
Barbeiro: I would second the motion Mr. Chairman.
Borup: All in favor?
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
4. PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR
PROPOSED PLANNED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT CONSISTING OF
MULTI-FAMILY, COMMERCIAL, OFFICE AND LDS SEMINARY, LO AND CG
ZONING BY G.L. VOIGT DEVELOPMENT/OVERLAND, LLC-OVERLAND
AND LOCUST GROVE ROADS:
Borup: Brad. Would you like to explain the difference between Item number 4 and Item
number 5. I'd like to open the public hearing.
Hawkins Clark: Yes, the difference between Item number 4, conditional use permit for a
conceptual overall plan. This CUP basically is not approving any specific use that is
currently shown up on the screen. It is simply the applicant is coming to us and saying
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MERIDIAN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING--MAY 9, 2000
The regular scheduled meeting of the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission was
call to order at 7:00 p.m. by Chairman Keith Borup.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Keith Borup, Sally Norton, Kent Brown, Tom Barbeiro, Richard
Hatcher.
OTHERS PRESENT: David Swartley, Bruce Freckleton, Brad Hawkins Clark, Will Berg.
Borup: We'd like to call to order our meeting this evening. This is a regular scheduled
meeting for Planning and Zoning Commission. I'd like to go through attendance of the
Commissioner's. First item on the agenda is the Consent Agenda. I would entertain a
motion for approval of the Consent Agenda.
Brown: Mr. Chairman I would move approval of the Consent Agenda, Items A,B and C,
minutes from the March 22"d, April 3~d and April 11th meetings.
Hatcher: I second the motion.
Borup: All in favor.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Brown: I would like to be excused for the first 7 items.
Borup: Okay. Have fun. Item number 1 and 2 were tabled. I believe we tabled those
items wanting to finalize Items 3 through 6. Would we like to skip to Items 3 through 6
and come back or would the Commissioner's like to open and vote on 1 and 2 right now.
3. CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT OF
17 LOTS ON 107.06 ACRES IN PROPOSED L-O AND C-G ZONES FOR
PROPOSED RESOLUTION BUSINESS PARK BY G.L. VOIGT
DEVELOPMENTIOVERLAND, LLC-OVERLAND AND LOCUST GROVE.
ROADS:
Borup: Does staff have any additional comments to make on this. It was continued for
the ACRD report. We had the draft report a while back. We have the final report now.
Is the applicant here and like to come forward. Do any of the Commissioner's have
anything additional they'd like to ask the applicant, other than the ACHD report.
Bowcutt: These items were deferred because we were awaiting Ada County Highway
District Staff Report as you recall at our public hearing a month or so ago. We had not
even received a draft. The staff, I think they went through about 3 versions of the draft
and it did go to the highway district Commissioner's last Wednesday at their noon
meeting for discussion. To bring you up to date the Commissioner's did recommend
approval of all the projects involved. They instructed their staff to get with us and the
City of Meridian and the school district and see what can be done to exhilarate the
upgrade of Overland Road between Locust Grove and Eagle .Road. At this point of
time, it is on their 2004 plan. They realize that they could have an operational high
school as early as 2002. That did concern them. They have also required multiple
improvements of my client, which includes constructing a 3~d lane from the east end of
our property up to the intersection of Locust Grove and then south on Locust Grove to
our southerly boundary. On of the comments that was made by the Commission, that
type of improvement can run anywhere from $125 to $175 thousand dollars. If we go in
and we construct that 3~d lane and then they come in 6, 12, 18 months later and tear it
all out to build their five lane, it makes more sense that we exhilarate the 5 lane and put
those monies to use building or helping to construct the 5 lane. Therefore, it would save
some public funds. The things that I want to bring to your attention that they placed
upon this project, they have asked us to contribute 25% of a signal at the intersection of
Locust Grove and Overland. The intersection operates at a level of service A at this
time, however, the left hand turn lane operates at a level of service F. According to
ACHD's traffic counts the counts at this time do not warrant signalization. In the future
they realize they will need a signal there. They understand that the retail that we
propose at that corner is down the road is not one of the first 3 or 4 phases that is going
to be further down the road then that. Probably co-insiding with some type of a Locust
Grove overpass. They accept the fact that a light is necessary, but state they will
construct that light when it is warranted. Secondly, they have asked us to contribute
$112,500 which would be 75% of the light at our new Millenium Way Overland
intersection which is the collector roadway for the high school. That 75% does include
the high school or the school district share. My conversations with the school district,
they have indicated that they will pay whatever proportionate share the highway district
deems is attributed to their traffic volume. There is approximately 5000 trips a day
through Millenium Way. Of those 5,000, 3,000 will be from going to and from the high
school site. They've asked us to contribute $52,800 dollars to a trust fund for sidewalk
along Overland Road. We asked them to allow us to construct the sidewalk versus trust
funding for it. The policy of the City of Meridian is they would like to see those
sidewalks go in as soon as possible. Their concern was if we placed the sidewalk in at
the edge of the new right of way that it could be torn out when the road is rebuilt. Our
suggestion was we'll take the sidewalk and meander within our 30 foot landscaped
area. Therefore, we will be outside the right of way and would not require any
modification. The Commission seemed to believe that's a viable option. They asked
staff to get with us and discuss it. We will be building decel lanes at the intersection.
They ok'ed all of our approaches on Overland Road. They asked us to upgrade our
collector. We shoed a 41 foot collector roadway section for Millenium Way. They
indicated they'd like that to be 46 foot section. My client agreed to that. They asked us
to provide adequate stacking room for any of the approaches as they intercept with
Millenium Way. The only major revision was on Locust Grove. We have this approach
right here. They have asked us to move this to offset it from this roadway here to
increase that distance of offset. We will shift this building this direction and then shift
this to the south and then put parking in there. Our offsets from all of the major
intersections for the signal will be installed in the future are acceptable. This was the
only thing of significance. This is a multi phased project and the highway district
commission liked this-the idea of a long term project. The first phase will be the ice
hockey facility. The second phase would consist of 140 units of the total 200
apartments, 2001. The seminary will go in whatever time the high school goes in. All of
this is down the road. Your staff placed a limitation on the conditional use permit for the
apartments-40 units in the first phase. I brought that up with Ada County Highway
District and they said that doesn't make any sense. That is one of the lowest traffic
generators on the site. Also, you can't afford to pay all of these trust funds and make
all the improvements if you can't begin the projects. 40 units is not acceptable. My
clients indicate they can not function with 40 units. Ada County Highway District did
look at impact fees generated by this project. The school district is exempt from impact
fees but all of the uses on the property would be subject. The multi family project would
pay $160,000 in impact fees. The retail space would generate over one million dollars.
That brings you up to date.
Barbeiro: Becky is Millenium Drive to be placed as part of the first phase.
Bowcutt: Yes sir. The first phase we are constructing all of the public roadway
systems. We'll built Millenium Way and put all the sewer, water, 3 phase power and
then build this public street here, the rotary and this public street here. We have all
ready designed all of those roadways.
Barbeiro: Can you remind me of what kind of meetings you've had with the school
district in regards to Millenium Drive, the students that will use that and the roadway
being the primary road for all of the construction at the high school.
Bowcutt: They will be coming up and down that roadway. It will have to be there before
they can pull their permit. The highway district has indicated they want to focus all of
the high school traffic where that signal is going to be constructed.
Barbeiro: As I recall, the conditional use permit for the high school won't be available
until the signal is operational.
Bowcutt: According to your planning staff the high school does not require a conditional
use permit in their R-4 zone. They will just be submitting for building permit. That is
why the highway district imposed the 75% of that light-the $112,000 because they
would not see that school application come through. All of my users will be conditional
use applications. That was the other thing that they liked.
Norton: According to the Ada County Highway District we received the draft report and
then the final report sometime today. The difference between the two is that instead of
,paying the $52,000 for the sidewalk on Overland, you will put in the sidewalk in your
landscape area. Is that correct?
Bowcutt: That's what we requested.
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Norton: You started to talk about not doing the center lane improvement on Overland in
order for Overland to be widened to 5 lanes earlier. Would you go through what you
said on that.
Bowcutt: In the staff report approved by the Commission it mandates that we construct
a 3~d center turn lane for the entire length of our property. It would be from our
perimeter to the intersection and then down to our southern boundary here. Three
lane on Overland and Locust Grove.
Norton: How close is your far east property to Eagle Road?
Bowcutt: This is one half mile. In our staff report we are required to construct that. The
issue we brought up with the commission is we would like to see the improvements
accelerated. We don't want to see the third lane wasted. The elevations will all change.
Norton: Did you get any idea how far up the priority list it was going to be moved?
Bowcutt: The staff and I had at least four discussions. They indicated that their
superiors would not make a decision. We would have to take our plea to the
commission and that is what we did. They instructed their staff, you need to i:lgure out a
solution and now. With that school coming in 2002, I would anticipate them trying to
accelerate it two years-If I had to guess.
Norton: Are you under the understanding that that road will be five lanes by the time
school goes in 2002.
Bowcutt: That is what I hope and I think the commission wants their staff to figure out
how to do that.
Borup: At this point, something could be worked out that's the way to go. If it can't be
worked out then the 3 lanes are going in.
Bowcutt: We will end up building the third lane. Those requirements are set down.
I did forget to mention, they are going to add additional turn lanes at the Eagle Road
Overland intersection and that work should begin in a few months and they indicated
they are going to get started on the Meridian Road Overland intersection for that
improvement.
Borup: Before we proceed I'd like a show of hands how many people are here to testify
on this application. We have received public testimony over the last three months so
what we'd be open for is anything pertaining to the ACRD report we will be glad to take
any testimony on.
Bertell: Steve Bertell. I live at 2535 S. Velvet Falls Way. Mr. chairman and members of
the commission, at this time I would like to present to the board a total of 725 signatures
from residents from all the impacted Subdivisions, all respectfully asking the
commission to at least delay the approval of this development until such a time as
Overland and Locust Grove Roads are widened. Those who have signed the petitions
are frustrated over having to drive in all ready heavily trafficked roadway on a daily
basis. We agree with the ACHD impact analysis statement that the findings of the
development would only intensify the all ready major traffic problems in this area. In
fact, I parked at the intersection of Overland and Locust Grove the afternoon of March
23~d from 3 PM until 6 PM and I counted 3137 vehicles using that intersection, either
crossing or turning from one street to another. This coincides with the ACHD report
findings of approximately 11,422 vehicles using Overland Road on a daily basis. This is
existing traffic. Also, during that 3 hour period, I witnessed one rear ender accident, one
near accident and my wife and I came upon another accident on Overland Road on
April 10th at 5:50 PM. The traffic on these roads will easily double if not triple as a result
of this development. The Ada County Highway District has no plans to widen Overland
until 2004 since it is in their 5 year plan. No plans to widen Locust Grove south of
Overland until sometime outside the 2005 year plan. No plans to install a traffic light
there until it is warranted. I don't know what the definition of warranted is. The
developer stated they wanted to start the major ice hockey and sports arena this year
pending bond approval. The high school could open as early as fall 2002. Don't
misunderstand us. We are not opposed to this development, but what we are saying is
that we are requesting that Overland and Locust Grove be widened to accommodate
the dramatic traffic increase that this proposal would create. If there is a traffic mishap
on the freeway, Overland Road immediately backs up. If emergency vehicle needed to
get to one of our Subdivisions, it would be difficult at best for that vehicle to get through.
Let's not make Overland and Locust Grove roads another fiasco like the Curtis Road
extension was. At least consider the opinions of the 725 residents as well as all of us
who live in the 6 impacted Subdivisions.
Borup: You feel that the road would be improved on a faster time frame without the
million dollars that this project would contribute toward the roads.
Bertell: I am a lay man and don't know where the money would come from. We are
concerned about-
Borup: We are lay men too (Inaudible) and it is not going to come from anywhere other
than this type of thing. So, the fastest way to get Overland approved, is to get the
money. Since this has been carrying on for several months, we had quite a number of
staff recommendations on this project. Do we need a refresher on that. We know
staffs recommendation is. I am thinking I mean the applicant either agrees with them or
-she mentioned one in her report, so I think I'd like to get Becky back up. You had
mentioned one item as far as staff recommendation on number of apartment units.
We've got your response to all of staff comments. That was the only one that stuck out.
Were there any others? That was under the CUP, Item number 2 on your response.
Bowcutt: The annexation and zoning application, we were in agreement. preliminary
plat, I highlighted item 8. The applicant intends to provide landscape easements along
Locust Grove and Overland Roads. An association will be formed to govern perimeter
landscaping. We ask that that be an easement. I believe that staff had a discussion
about it being a separate lot.
Borup: Staff s concern was who will maintain it.
Bowcutt: At a minimum the landscape buffer shall be placed within a permanent
landscape easement designated such on the plat. We would like that to be designated
as an easement on the plat and provide an association for maintenance. Item 8,
preliminary plat requirements. Item 10, we agreed to pipe the Hunter Lateral as
requested by staff. We ask that we be allowed to provide a western fence along the
western side of the apartments. Staff made a statement they prefer that it be unfenced
if we pipe the lateral. Clarification on Item 13. We have a little access road. It was not
intended to be a private drive. It is an access way providing joint access to those
buildings. We just want to clarify that our intention was not to construct curb gutter or
sidewalk there because it is an alley access. Under the PUD, I highlighted Item 4. We
did not provide any RV storage, parking areas for the multi family. Those uses will be
prohibited. Only personal cars will be allowed. We do not propose a maintenance
building at this site. All maintenance will be contracted out with a maintenance
company. We disagreed on -Item 7 concerning the parking requirements. Staff asked
for 2.3 spaces per dwelling unit. The ordinance mandates 2. I know of no multi family
application where staff imposed 2.3. I went to another complex that has garages called
the Renascence next to Chinden and Eagle Road. We did that civil engineering for that
site. That one has garages and I noticed that people who have two cars but have a
single garage, their spouse parked in front of the garage. I think what staffs intention
for additional parking was for guests or something like that. Our contention is, it is not
necessary with our type of design we have more than what we would ever need in
parking. For the Ice Rink, I think there was a difference of eight spaces. Mr. McKeegan
got up to discuss that stating that we have substantial amount of .overflow parking to the
north and there will be very few events where you would find that all parking spaces
would be completely utilized. His contention was that adequate parking was provided.
Obviously we were opposed to the limitation-it was the limitation of 30 units in the first
phase of the apartments. We had asked for the first phase to consist of 140. For the
record and for those people in the audience that were not here at the last hearing, we
are asking for conceptual approval of this planned unit development, but we are only
asking for site specific approval for the ice arena and the 200 unit apartments. All the
other users with the excep#ion of the high school will have to come back before the
Planning and Zoning Commission and the City Council. All surrounding properties
within 300 feet will be notified. Legal notice will be put in the paper. Each user will have
to come back before this body and go through this process again. That is one factor
that should be taken into consideration as far as what improvements are done out on
these roadway systems when the timing of these lights and so forth. If a user comes in
say a year and a half from now, and he will generate a substantial amount of traffic, at
that point of time if those improvements aren't out there to support that development, I
would anticipate commission having a difficult time of proving it. We've got to start
somewhere and we've got to get that collector roadway and this other network of
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roadways and utilities to provide access to the high school. The only way we can afford
to do it is to take these first couple phases and move forward.
Borup: Thank you. Any questions from the commission?
Barbeiro: We can ask staff questions as a whole or individually. The one that catches
my eye right now is the storage areas because that is a city ordinance.- Other then that,
if you wanted to go down the line with some of the things that Becky disagreed with.
Hawkins Clark: Commissioner Barbeiro, members of the Commission the ordinance
requirement for storage areas has typically been something that if the developer makes
a commitment we have waived at this level. It is not necessarily required a variance. It
really particularly when garages are provided. It is something we look favorable at.
Borup: At this particular site there is a proposed mini storage unit down the street.
Barbeiro: How about the maintenance building.
Hawkins Clark: I think when the covenants, correct me Becky if they are not, but
typically we -they are going to contract out. That is not ordinance required. I think it is
a recommendation. We are fine with that. On the parking issue mainly we were
pointing out that the fact that on Valeri Heights no tandem parking was allowed. If your
going to allow it here, we just mainly wanted to raise the attention. We certainly aren't
looking for more asphalt. I think we concur with the 460 number for required parking.
The cross access issue was important. Obviously we'd ask for a revised preliminary
plat that shows that, that shows the new Locust Grove Driveways to be submitted for
the City Council-prior to the City Council so we can review the revised preliminary plat
that reflects these changes.
Barbeiro: Becky, in our last meeting, you did tell. us that you were going to have a cross
access over the Hunter Lateral, is that correct.
Bowcutt: Yes, I think our sketched out we were going to make an inter connection
between those two buildings and just north of the daycare facility into that little rotary.
We make on making that revision and getting that to staff prior to the City Council.
Barbeiro: Brad the recommendation regarding landscape buffers. 25 versus 30 and
staff would prefer to have a separate lot where the developer would prefer to have an
easement. Comment on that please.
Hawkins Clark: This issue comes up frequently. It is mainly our concern is the
consistency of appearance for principle arterials like what Overland is going to be. I
think in this case with the easement going to be maintained the full buffer distance by a
single entity, that's fine. Our main issue is when you have single, multiple single lots
that all have a easement, each of them can take care of that landscape however they
want.
Barbeiro: Becky, the property will remain under one ownership, is that correct.
Bowcutt: No sir. When you plat it then it would be eligible to sell off the lots to separate
owners. What we propose to do is place landscape easements on the plat and then we
will have to have covenants; obviously governing the uses on these lots and so forth.
On these covenants it would stipulate like lot owner dues. They would not be
homeowners association dues, but lot owner dues which would provide for the
maintenance of all of the landscaping. It is all maintained the same. We are going to
provide a landscape plan so all of it would be the same. You would not end up with a
hodge podge. That is not our intention.
Barbeiro: Your new plan will account for 7 handicapped spots at the arena.
Bowcutt: Yes sir. Mr. McKeegan when on the record last time that they would add
those.
Barbeiro: Brad, when we talked about the 30 dwelling units for the apartments, Becky's
note was that ACHD thought that the apartments would be one of the lower traffic count
generators. Can you comment on that.
Hawkins Clark: It was a bad day. Staff has re-thought that. Those are national
transportation engineer figures that seem to have been accounted for. This is the only -
there are only two projects that are coming in right now and certainly when you look at
traffic generation you can't really take into account projects that aren't before this
commission. Your really only have two projects that are before you and to put some
controls on-your certainly not going to put a control on the ice arena. They are going
to have events and that will draw-I think the apartment complexes-we did talk about if
they are doing the 140 previously they had outlined a phase one which was more or
less the northwest portion of their site B there and it didn't provide, for any vehicular
access out of that phase one out onto Millenium Way. Every one of those 140 was
funneling out through the driveway onto Overland at the west end and not Millenium
Way which is the collector. I think we would point out that we would like to see some
kind of vehicular access in phase one over to Millenium Way.
Bowcutt: I think the applicant indicated at the last hearing he would be willing to revise
what they had proposed as their first 140 units because you felt or this commission felt it
was critical that they intersect with Millenium Way. So their will be an access. We will
go on the record with the first phase will intersect with Millenium Way by that vehicular
connection.
Barbeiro: The final point was, the gates we discussed in the last one to prevent cross
tracking through the residential from the high school over to Locust Grove, the
developer suggested putting gates in. Is that something that will be a final item for you
or is it still up in the air.
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Bowcutt: I think they are still under the opinion that they would prefer some type of
gates.
Borup: This was a gate at which point?
Barbeiro: There was to be a gate over the Hunter Lateral crossing to prevent the kids
from crossing through the apartments and the developer also considered putting a gate
into the entrance off of Overland and just past the entrance off of Millenium Way. I
believe there were three gates. Is that correct.
Bowcutt: Yes, that was my understanding. We would have to have approval from your
fire department to install those. The location would also have to be approved by Ada
County Highway District because they want to make sure you have adequate stacking
room.
Borup: Has that been discussed with ACHD staff?
Bowcutt: It was brought up briefly and their comment was we have to have adequate
stacking room. They allow you to do it within a private roadway network as long as you
have it 50 or 75 feet into the property. Maybe its 100, I can't remember. The last one I
had was a mini storage. They don't want 3 or 4 cars turning into the site and then
waiting for the gate and sticking out into the roadway. I would recommend that the
commission put their subject to Ada County Highway District and fire department
approval.
Borup: The only other comment I think staff was on the fence -I don't think the staff
comments addressed that either way, or did they. (Inaudible)privacy fence (inaudible).
There is no concern there is there.
Hawkins Clark: No.
Norton: I have a question for staff. At our last public hearing I had a question about
gates, but has been addressed. My notes say signage of gates would be worked out
with staff. Has signage been addressed.
Hawkins Clark: signage of t h Electric S h ns an1d then McKeeganeespondedrfo ponse
on signage from I believe Ida 9
signage on the ice arena in writing. That should be in the packets.
Bowcutt: I think we did have a discussion because they had some types of lights on the
side of building.
Norton: That was addressed on the ice arena, but for the apartment complex-
Bowcutt: I did provide some specifications on signage. I believe it was a monument
type sign.
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Bowcutt: I'll have to check my packet. I believe it was a monument sign. That is what
staff has proposed.
Borup: I think we'd be comfortable that it wouldn't be anything difference than a
monument sign. Anything else. You checking or are you done Becky. Oh. Any final
comments from staff.
Hawkins Clark: Commissioner I think the main concern-I don't know that there is an
emergency vehicular access issue has been resolved to our satisfaction. With the
school site-schools are allowed in the R-4 without any public hearings. They can just
come in when they get this approved and not have any public hearings. on the school
site and really this is the opportunity to deal with the school site even though the
majority of this-
Borup: You taking about a secondary access.
Hawkins Clark: Yes. What did they say potentially 1800 students or something. We
certainly understand and want to support the protecting these neighborhoods from cross
through traffic from the school, but there is a stub street here on the west boundary of
the site and then there is a stub street here immediately next to the future park site,
which would be here. Whether or not those are extended into the site or how that would
work, I guess our main issue or concern is that it be dealt with and maybe it can be
dealt with at Council level, but somehow there'd be another access into this 55 acre
school site other than just Millenium Way, particularly for emergency vehicles.
Borup: Have you discussed it to what point. Would the emergency break away ballards
or something like that.
Hawkins Clark: Right. I don't believe the fire department has really specifically
addressed it.
Barbeiro: Brad, we have two opportunities to add emergency access. Is this where the
seminary is going?
Hawkins Clark: No. Here, right.
Barbeiro: With the new LDS church, is there any opportunity to have a emergency
access straight through their property or off of this road here as that roads appears to
abut the property of the high school.
Hawkins Clark: Commissioner, the LDS church is being built. It is designed. The site
is under construction. I don't think there is any opportunity there.
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Borup: Sounds like here and here are the two stub streets. I don't think the intention is
to have a traffic flow through there. Break away emergency ballard would let the fire
trucks through and isn't that staffs concern. Do we know where this building maybe
sited.
Bowcutt: I can answer that question. The only information we received from the school
district is that the school would most likely sit back in this location here up against this
Hunter Lateral. Obviously the parking lots and field would be back here. There is two
existing public streets right here coming into Raven Hills and another one here in Los
Alamitos. It is the highway districts intention that those not be connected to the site
vehicularly for like student use but be. connected for pedestrian bicycle and possibly
emergency access. I would assume something like ballards or maybe what they
propose there. It depends on the site configuration. I stopped at Mr. Carberry's office
today to see if I could obtain a copy of their draft site plan. He indicated that he does
not have a copy of it. You got one. He said I don't have one, in fact I think they are still
working on it. Your going to have to talk to Skyler at Hummel Architects. I said it would
be nice Jim if I could see it to make sure your needs are met as far as secondary
emergency access. Until we see where those circulation patterns of the school are
located, we don't know what to do.
Borup: Maybe at this point we just need to put some requirements in there and let them
design around it.
Bowcutt: Our agreement with the school district states that we...the seller
acknowledges that the above described street, which is our Millenium Way, shall be the
sole access route to the school which buyer intends to construct on the premises other
than the emergency access here and after set forth. So, (inaudible) if we it we'd want
an emergency access through you.
Borup: So hereinafter set forth they are not specified.
Bowcutt: Yeah, it was emergency vehicle access if required. In order to meet uniform
fire code. (Inaudible) got a lot of parking lot along here, if they need it and if that is a
adequate location, then it makes sense that we do have a secondary emergency
access. It would all depend on their site plan and their needs.
Borup: What are saying would be secondary.
Bowcutt: If you look at-
Borup: Okay, the access is still from Millenium right?
Bowcutt: Yes sir.
Borup: So from Millenium Drive is blocked there is no secondary access.
Bowcutt: This is their primary vehicular access. There is landscaping and parking
areas-
Borup: Okay, your saying they could come down here through the parking lot into the
site.
Bowcutt: Exactly. So if the school says based on our configuration we need some
emergency vehicle access here or here or even link into this drive that wraps around
here. That would be an option. If its needed. I have not seen the site plan. Have you
seen it. You got a copy of it.
Barbeiro: It was the first draft which was two months ago.
Bowcutt: Oh. He said they are still working on it. I am going to try to obtain a copy
hopefully before we go to the council because I'd like them to see that and I think it
would be beneficial if we know what it looks like.
Borup: Sounds like the mood of the City and probably the Commissioner's is that there
needs to be some type of emergency secondary access. Not a vehicle access but. just
emergency.
Barbeiro: So when building our recommendation we would include additional
emergency access through this site to be determined later. Or more specific.
Borup: t don't know that we need to be more specific as long as there is another
access.
Hatcher: One thing to take into consideration when we are discussing emergency
access of the future high school site is as Becky has pointed out, if we were to bring in a
second emergency access in the approximate location of the ice hockey arena or
possibly at the apartments, first of all the apartments are a congested meandering
parking lot. There is no primary means of traffic, just a private roadway system. I don't
think that is a valid option. Second, bringing a secondary emergency access in and
around the ice skating rink I don't think is a valid option either for the sample fact that if
you have a event occurring your going to have high traffic volume there. Playing devil's
advocate we have an event at the school that requires emergency vehicles and we
have the ice rink letting out. Millenium and all those roads are going to be plugged.
When considering an emergency access to the high school, I think we should look at
the options of doing emergency break away ballards down at Raven the Subdivision
down below with the public road.
Borup: What is the purpose of the secondary emergency access.
Hatcher: If the fire truck can't get to -
Borup: And that would be because of heavy traffic or because of some accident
blocking the entire roadway. I assume it would be something blocking the entire
roadway and then they would need another access.
Hatcher: That is correct and that is why I am saying if we (inaudible) by the ice rink,
they are too close together.
Borup: Your saying something would be blocking both roads.
Hatcher: I am saying if an event at the ice rink was to let out-
Borup: That's just heavy traffic. That's not necessarily blocking -
Hatcher: Hey, we've all been there. We know what it can really be like. One all ready
looks like it is all ready a culdesac if I'm not mistaken. One of the two southern ones-
we put the condition on the school district now and let them design accordingly and be
done with it.
Barbeiro: Couldn't we have a primary and a secondary.
Hatcher: You would. Millenium would be your primary. We are talking about the
secondary right now. I don't think this site is big enough to need three accesses.
Borup: Okay, one of you guys had a motion earlier.
Hatcher: I was trying to make a motion to close the public hearing.
Norton: I second the motion.
Borup: All in favor.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Barbeiro: Which hearing did we just close.
Borup: Technically we closed-
Hatcher: Can we close all of them, one through six.
Borup: Technically we closed 3, cause that is the only one we opened. I think all the
testimony we received was on all the applications, so -
Hatcher: Mr. Chairman, I motion that we close the public hearing for Item 4,5,and 6.
Borup: Let me open it. Open public hearing for Item number 4.
Hatcher: I motion that we close it.
Norton: I second it.
Borup: All in favor.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Borup: I'd like to open Item number 5.
Hatcher: I motion that we close it.
Norton: I second it.
Borup: All in favor.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Borup: I'd like to open Item number 6.
Hatcher: I motion that we close that.
Norton: I second that.
Borup: All in favor.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Borup: Would you like to handle Items 1 and 2 and then go on to the others.
Barbeiro: Can we do both of them at the same time.
Borup: They are both two separate items, but get those two out of the way and then get
into the other-or those two have all ready been closed, so-
Barbeiro: If there is no discussion, I have a motion. I motion that we recommend to
City Council request for annexation and zoning of 16.119 acres from RT to CG for
proposed Resolution Business Park by G.L. Voigt Development to include staff
comments.
Hatcher: I second the motion.
Borup: Any discussion.
Norton: I have discussion. I believe we discussed the CG change to CN change. I'd
like to make a friendly amendment to that motion that the CG be amended.
Barbeiro: Thank you Commissioner Norton, you are correct and I wish to amend that to
be a CN.
Borup: Any other discussion. All in favor
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Borup: Item number 2.
Barbeiro: Mr. Chairman, I wish to recommend approval to City Council request for
rezone of 37.64 acres from R-4 to L-O for proposed Resolution Business Park by G.L.
Voigt Development with staff comments.
Hatcher: Second the motion.
Borup: Any discussion. All in favor.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Borup: We have four more items. Again, comments have been concerning all of them.
We have two items on the preliminary plat. No one item, sorry.
Barbeiro: The discussion between myself and Commissioner Hatcher has to do with-
we would like-here's what we're differing. I would like to see a development
agreement between ACRD and the developer prior to any certificate of occupancy of
any building.
Hatcher: What I was trying to go for on a condition of approval from this board or
recommended condition of approval to City Council would be that no certificate of
occupancy would be issued to any of the proposed developments of this project until
Overland Road improvements have been instructed. If that means the ice rink waits
until 2002 or 2003, so be it.
Barbeiro: You want a 5 lane road before anything opened. That is going to put a crimp
in the developer, but t think if we had a development agreement with ACHD and the
developer to have 5 lanes prior to fall 2002 when the high school opened, seeing how
the development would be phased, I believe that would be correct and proper with this
development. I would hate to see the development held back because the 5 lanes
wasn't open for then as a condition they have to ensure that it is at least 3 lanes. If they
are going to go out and do 3 lanes then ACHD is going to come in tear it out. That
seems like a tremendous waste of public funds.
Hatcher: Absolutely. If it boils down to working things out with ACRD.
;.
Borup: Oh it does and I agree with what your saying there, but your putting a
requirement on the developer that they got no control over.
Barbeiro: If we have a development agreement, that is something the developer and
ACHD-
Borup: ACHD don't do development agreements specifically do they. Just a written
agreement.
Hatcher: Putting money into a slush fund for future improvement on this project is not
acceptable in my opinion. That is exactly what ACHD will do. I have no opposition of
the project. In fact it is a wonderful project. Overland Road can not handle any capacity
that this project would generate without the required improvements.
Barbeiro: So ACHD does not do development agreements so this-
Borup: I don't know if that is the terminology they use. I am not sure either way. I just
have not heard that used before.
Hatcher: Bruce can you comment on how ACHD typically has been dealing with those
issues.
Freckleton: Commissioner Hatcher and members of the commission Becky was just
indicating that she is aware of one that they have done with Touchmark. I know they do
non-development agreements when you have a plat and your doing it in phases if you
want to record the entire plat without bonding or building the other phase. That is
something we would have to address with them.
Barbeiro: What would staff's recommendations be to insure that somehow we have an
agreement amongst all the parties that this is going to be 5 lanes prior to a large portion
of occupancy. I do not want to put a high school there without a five lane road.
Hatcher: I personally don't want to stop the project. I don't want to stop construction of
any of the projects on the site, but I don't want to see any of them operable until the
road is done.
Freckleton: My personal opinion would be unless we've got it nailed down when these
things are going to happen, I would not even issue the building permit. Your looking at
a can of worms if you issue a building permit and hold up occupancy without some
dates being set.
Hatcher: Okay so the building permit will not be issued until some-sort of agreement is
been reached without Ada Co~~nty so that their construction schedule coincides with the
projects construction schedule as deemed by the time line we are discussing. Basically
what that does-I would say put one hand behind the developers back. Now we are
putting both hands behind with the building permit because there is a lot of negotiations
that have to go on between the developer and ACRD to meet these requirements.
Barbeiro: Mr. Chairman would it be of any assistance to re-open the public hearing and
get some comments from the developer on this.
Hatcher: I don't think it is going to help.
Borup: Have you got your thoughts together on what it is that you maybe
recommending.
Barbeiro: Well, now that I know there really is no such thing as a development with
ACHD and my other concerns are that with the new high school, this would also stop
any issuance of a building permit for a new high school to be built which would cause
great problems with the school bond election coming up because of the state law
requiring the school to allocate the funds for and spend the funds any certain time
frame. If they can not get a building permit that may cause problems with the school
bonding.
Hatcher: Keep in mind as well as it was brought up by staff, school district does not
need public hearing. As soon as phase one is done and Millenium Drive is built, that
high school can go up. We have no control over that, so any conditions as of brought of
that includes traffic, any conditions we want to impose on that high school have to be
done during phase one. You could have 5000 high school kids going to high school on
a 2 or 3 lane road.
Borup: Do any Commissioner's remember what the going to the 3 lanes what that did to
the service and what the road could handle. I am not finding that. Do you remember
that Brad at all. What capacity was that going to add. Where I was going or at least the
ACRD report is saying that the present configuration on Overland can handle a little less
than 3000 additional vehicles. In the same paragraph they are saying that it would add
6. They are over 3000 short without -that's with the current road.. I am not sure what
the 3 lane would add to that capacity. I don't think it adds a lot of vehicle capacity. It
will alleviate congestion.
Hatcher: The third lane is a turning lane so it's going to allow people to stack up so that
they won't be able to turn left because of on coming traffic.
Borup: ACHD's statement is that a traffic signal is not warranted yet because traffic
volumes are low enough.
Barbeiro: That's Locust Grove and Overland, not Millenium.
Borup: No, the side driveway is on Overland. I don't think they are taking the school
into consideration on any of these figures. That adds a whole different aspect of it.
Barbeiro: I need your assistance on this so we don't shut down the developer, we don't
shut down the high school but we insure that there is a five lane road. Something that
we don't seem to have a lot of control over.
Borup: It is in the hand of ACRD. I don't have an answer to that. I think we can make
some recommendations and let City Council look at it.
Hatcher: The way we would want to word it to City Council would be that we
recommend approval pending -
Barbeiro: ACHD's commitment to widen that road.
Hatcher: Commitment is not good enough. It has to be in writing.
Barbeiro: Well, can the City work into a development agreement with ACRD as
opposed to the developer.
Hatcher: I don't think you want to bring the city into this.
Borup: Why would the city want to.
Barbeiro: We'd have a bigger gun than the developer does.
Borup: To do what.
Hatcher: We do?
Barbeiro: Sounded good.
Borup: Lets go ahead. Lets get a recommendation drafted and put the conditions on
you'd like to and --. At this point I assume your going to incorporate staff comments.
Barbeiro: I have some comments within those too. Mr. Chairman, I move that we
recommend approval to City Council request for preliminary plat of 17 lots on 107.06
acres in proposed L-O zone and C-N zones for proposed Resolution Business Park by
G.L: Voigt Development to include staff comments making note of Item 8 on page 6 that
we would recommend an easement as opposed to a separately platted buffer-
Swartley: Mr. Chairman, Mr. Barbeiro what are you trying to do an easement as
opposed to a buffer?
Barbeiro: As I read it, the staff wanted to have a separate common lot as opposed to an
easement.
Swartley: Oh okay. I understand.
Barbeiro: That Item number 10 that applicant will go ahead and build a privacy fence,
Item number 11, the applicant will built a vehicular access over the Hunter Lateral
between site B and site A, included in that the developer will put a operable gate there
with cooperation of the Meridian Fire Department to prevent student crossing to get
over to Locust Grove. Help me out with number 12. The applicant wanted a minimum
of 35 foot landscape buffer. We are going to allow them to put a meandering sidewalk
as opposed to a sidewalk right up to the easement. Page 8, item 7 allowing them to-
$wartley: Mr. Barbeiro could you repeat the numbers 10 and 11 for me please.
Barbeiro: Number 10 were we-the developer build the privacy fence. Number 11 in
his cross access between site B and site A we put an emergency gate or a gate
between the two with the cooperation of the Meridian Fire Department. This is all
subject to the recommendation of ACHD and the Meridian Fire Department.
Borup: That was on the motion.
Hatcher: Road improvements, refresh my memory. We going to tack that onto the
preliminary plat or conditional use permit.
Borup: I thought you were doing it on the conditional use permit. I think they lumped it
all together. The traffic is going to be generated by the conditional use permit project
not by the plat.
Hatcher: Okay, lets see if I got this right.
Borup: ACHD's comments addressed everything all together. They combined all their
comments as a project as a whole.
Hatcher: The last outstanding issue I wanted to add to Commissioner Barbeiro's motion
is that a written agreement between the developer and ACHD that coordinates and
synchronizes construction completion of a 5 lane Overland improvement prior to the
completion of phase one occupancy. The agreement be submitted to the City of
Meridian prior to the issuance of a building permit.
Norton: I would like to add to that motion that a revised preliminary plat to reflect the
changes that have been discussed be submitted to the city prior to the City Council
meeting.
Borup: I think that was in the staff comments all ready.
Hatcher: So you made the motion, we amended it so your going to have to second it.
Barbeiro: To include their comments from Commissioner's Hatcher and Norton in the
motion.
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Norton: I'll Second.
Borup: Any other discussion. Seeing none, all in favor.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Barbeiro: I wish to recommend approval to City Council request for conditional use
permit for proposed planned commercial development consisting of multi family
commercial, and LDS seminary in proposed L-0 and C-N zoning by G.L. Voigt
Development to incorporate all of our notes from Item number 3.
Borup: This was a conceptual concept that was made mention earlier. This is-a
conceptual approval of the project as a whole.
Barbeiro: And to include that page 10, item 11 storage areas that we waive the
requirement for storage areas, page 10 item 12 that we waive the requirement for a
maintenance building.
Borup: Actually that should come under item 5.
Barbeiro: Thank you Mr. Chairman. You are correct. (Inaudible) make the
recommendation for approval for incorporating all the comments from Item number 3.
Hatcher: I will second that.
Borup: All in favor.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Borup: Okay now item riumber 5 which is the conditional use permit for the apartment
complex.
Barbeiro: I wish to recommend approval to City Council request for conditional use
permit for proposed 200 unit luxury apartment complex to be zoned L-O for proposed
Resolution Business Park by Desert West Properties, LLC to include all comments from
Item 3 and Item 4 and from page 10 item 11 the storage areas waiving the requirement
for storage areas, page 10 item 12 waiving the requirement for a maintenance building,
page 11 CP apartment complex, item number 2 where staff recommends a number of
units constructed in phase one be limited to a maximum of 30, make that a maximum of
140.
Hatcher: I second the motion.
Borup: All in favor.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
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Barbeiro: Mr. Chairman I wish to recommend approval to City Council request for
conditional use permit for an ice arena consisting of office, pro shop, fitness center,
restaurant, locker rooms, equipment storage and arenas zoned L-O by Pat MclCeegan
to incorporate staff comments and comments from Item 3,4, and 5.
Hatcher: Before this last issue is voted on, the preliminary plat did we property address
the secondary emergency access to the high school.
Borup: No we didn't. We spend time talking about it and then did not get it in the
motion. We need to address that. We need to go back and amend the motion.
Norton: I second the motion on number 6.
Borup: All in favor?
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Barbeiro: Mr. Chairman, I wish to return to item number 3, the preliminary plat for the
17 lots and make an amendment to include the or note the developer will work in
conjunction with the school district and arrange a secondary emergency access through
their property apart from the primary access on Millenium Drive.
Borup: Do you want to be more specific.
Hatcher: I think you want to be more specific in location. What I just heard you say is a
second emergency access through the current development. I would prefer to have a
second emergency access through break away bollards down at Raven Hill.
Borup: The road is all ready there. The stub street is there. It is all ready dead ended.
Hatcher: It is a stub street. You'd have to dead end it with emergency bollards.
Barbeiro: Is the school property also part-
Borup: That is a separate lot and they will not be coming before us for the school
property.
Hatcher: It is not part of phase one but it is part of this development.
Barbeiro: I would concur. We have a secondary access from the south through one of
the two roads that are coming in.
Borup: Emergency break away bollards not direct vehicle access. I think that sounds
consistent with ACHD wants also. The no vehicle access is consistent. We need a
whole site.
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Hatcher: You have the adjacent Subdivisions.
Borup: What do you want, street names. There is only two streets to choose from.
Two out of the two. Go over and talk to staff. Let them choose a street and it not come
from the north. Bruce, do you have any idea how man times in the last five years the
fire department has ever gone through the break away bollard. Okay that's what I felt.
Did you hear that comment Commissioners?
Commissioner's: No.
Borup: As far as Bruce has understand it the fire department has never had to use
emergency access and the break away bollards. I am saying it needs to be there, but
its not going to be a traffic issue.
Hatcher: The one street we are talking about is East Blue Tick Street. The other road
appears to be South Red Cloud Avenue.
Borup: The reason I asked that question maybe for anyone living in those areas, the
emergency access not be a traffic-it hasn't happened yet in this town, but like anything
it is an emergency. It is there for emergency, so its there. Brad did you have some
input. The amended motion was to state a southern emergency access.
Barbeiro: A southern emergency access with break away bollards and not regular
traffic.
Borup: No specific street?
Hatcher: No specific streets required.
Borup: So, if they can come up with another street, that's fine.
Barbeiro: Before we make the final vote, lets see if staff has anything.
Borup: The motion that is in effect now is that there be an emergency access from one
of the southern streets, not from the northern. We did not specify beyond that. Did you
have anything to add.
Hawkins Clark: Commissioner just as a suggestion that was provided which has not
been considered. As far as emergency there is here on Locust Grove, as I understand
the goal of your discussion as a Commission is to help get emergency access so that
Overland is not the only way. Another one on Locust. One suggestion is to provide on
the southern portion emergency ingress egress here on the southern portion north of
this LDS church that is being built between the retail and the daycare which does
access the high school site.
Borup: So, that could be a third option.
Hawkins Clark: Could be in terms of accessibility and response time for EMS, police,
fire. Certainly an argument can be made for greater direct access as compared to
going through either Los Alamitos or Raven Hill.
END OF SIDE TWO
Borup: to work out as far as the access for them.
Barbeiro: Okay lets go ahead and say that additional access the developer will work
with the school district of the options themselves for along the southwest boundaries.
Commissioner Norton, does that work for you? Okay.
Hatcher: I second the amended motion.
Borup: All in favor.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Norton: Mr. Chairman I would like to have a little more discussion on number 5 with the
apartment complex. 140 apartments, does that also include the club house? I'd like to
amend the motion then to include the club house to be constructed along with the 140
apartments.
Borup: Is that different that the original or what the developer was planning. And the
club house.
Norton: Okay, I'll withdraw that.
Borup: Anything or are we ready to move on.
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for the multi-residential development, comma, and then I would also add that
since the applicant has made the statement that there would be no RV parking
that we simply, on Item 14 when we get there, if you're inclined to agree with that
one, to say that the CC & Rs shall provide that there shall be no RV parking,
boats, trailers, campers, motorhomes.
Anderson: That would be item -
Nichols: Well, whatever it is on the next one under Item 14 on your agenda.
Anderson: Okay. So Mr. Mayor, I would make the amendment to take -delete
Items 1.9 and 1.10 from the staff comments and on Item 1.5 allow the applicant's
401 spaces that were presented to suffice for the parking. Do you have anymore
amendments that you would like to make to my motion?
deWeerd: Just keeping you on your toes.
Bird: Second agrees.
Corrie: Motion made and seconded. Any further discussion? Hearing none, Mr.
Clerk, roll-call vote, please.
Roll-call.• deWeerd, aye; McCandless, nay; Anderson, aye; Bird, aye
MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE NAY
Item 12. Public Hearing: PP 00-006 Request for Preliminary Plat approval
of 17 building lots and 2 other lots on 107.06 acres for proposed
Resolution Business Park by G.L. Voigt /Overland, LLC -south
of Overland Road and east of Locust Grove Road:
Corrie: Item No. 12 is a request for the preliminary plat approval of 17 building
lots and 2 other lots on 107.06 acres for proposed Resolution Business Park.
(inaudible discussion amongst Council members)
deWeerd: Mr. Mayor, I think the only thing on here is 1.6 on Page 5. If other
Council would like to discuss that, it would be really nice to the residents that
have toughed it out and are still here, I know you've heard from the other Council
members, but it's really frustrating dealing with ACRD, and we're trying to get our
priorities - as a priority for them, they have been using our impact fees to
improve our roads, and that's all their using. So unfortunately, that forces us to
look at developments that would have a lower impact so that you can pay for the
road improvements. As much as you disagree with it, as much as we disagree
with it, it's the only way that we can get our roads paid for unless anyone has
influence on the Curtis extension, perhaps we can get the funding over here for
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that, but that's not going to happen. So the condition that Planning and Zoning
put in that the applicant shall enter into a written agreement with the ACRD that
coordinates and synchronizes construction completion of the five-lane Overland
improvement prior to the completion of Phase I occupancy, I would suggest that
we strike that, so I would go ahead and make a motion. I move that we ask the
attorney to draw up Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law to approve the
request for preliminary plat of 17 building lots and 2 other lots on 107.06 acres for
the proposed Resolution Business Park and to delete Item 1.16 from the
Planning and Zoning recommendations.
Corrie: Motion has been made. Is there a second?
Bird: Second.
Corrie: Motion made and seconded to approve the request for preliminary plat
with the deletion of 1.16, Page 5, and the other items as mentioned in the motion.
Any further discussion? Hearing none, Mr. Clerk, roll-call vote, please.
Roll-call: deWeerd, aye; McCandless, nay; Anderson, aye; Bird, aye
MOTION CARRIEC: THREE AYES, ONE NAY
Item 13. Public Hearing: CUP 00-015 Request for Conditional Use Permit
for an ice arena consisting of office, pro shop, fitness center,
restaurant, locker room and equipment storage for proposed
Resolution Business Park /Lee Smith Ice Arena by Pat
McKeegan -south of Overland Road and east of Locust Grove
Road:
Corrie: Item 13, request for Conditional Use Permit for an ice arena consisting of
office, pro shop, fitness center, restaurant, locker and equipment storage for
proposed Resolution Business Park /Lee Smith Ice Arena by Pat McKeegan.
This is the one that they requested the deletion of 1.2 - (inaudible) Locust Grove
and Overland Road (inaudible) -
Bird: With a minimum of seven handicapped-accessible.
deWeerd: Mr. Mayor, I move that we ask the City Attorney to draw up Findings
of Facts and Conclusions of Law to approve the request for a Conditional Use
Permit for an ice arena, et cetera, by Resolution Business Park and Lee Smith
Ice Arena and to amend 1.2 on Page 2 of the recommendations from Planning
and Zoning to read "a minimum of seven handicapped-accessible spaces must
be provided to directly serve this facility."
Corrie: Any others? I need a second.
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that, but that's not going to happen. So the condition that Planning and Zoning
put in that the applicant shall enter into a written agreement with the ACHD that
coordinates and synchronizes construction completion of the five-lane Overland
improvement prior to the completion of Phase I occupancy, I would suggest that
we strike that, so I would go ahead and make a motion. I move that we ask the
attorney to draw up Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law to approve the
request for preliminary plat of 17 building lots and 2 other lots on 107.06 acres for
the proposed Resolution Business Park and to delete Item 1.16 from the
Planning and Zoning recommendations.
Corrie: Motion has been made. Is there a second?
Bird: Second.
Corrie: Motion made and seconded to approve the request for preliminary plat
with the deletion of 1.16, Page 5, and the other items as mentioned in the motion.
Any further discussion? Hearing none, Mr. Clerk, roll-call vote, please.
Roll-call: deWeerd, aye; McCandless, nay; Anderson, aye; Bird, aye
MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE NAY
Item •13. Public Hearing: CUP 00-015 Request for Conditional Use Permit
for an ice arena consisting of office, pro shop, fitness center,
restaurant, locker room and equipment storage for proposed
Resolution Business Park /Lee Smith Ice Arena by Pat
McKeegan -south of Overland Road and east of Locust Grove
Road:
Corrie: Item 13, request for Conditional Use Permit for an ice arena consisting of
office, pro shop, fitness center, restaurant, locker and equipment storage for
proposed Resolution Business Park /Lee Smith Ice Arena by Pat McKeegan.
This is the one that they requested the deletion of 1.2 - (inaudible) Locust Grove
and Overland Road (inaudible) -
Bird: With a minimum of seven handicapped-accessible.
deWeerd: Mr. Mayor, I move that we ask the City Attorney to draw up Findings
of Facts and Conclusions of Law to approve the request for a Conditional Use
Permit for an ice arena, et cetera, by Resolution Business Park and Lee Smith
Ice Arena and to amend 1.2 on Page 2 of the recommendations from Planning
and Zoning to read "a minimum of seven handicapped-accessible spaces must
be provided to directly serve this facility."
Corrie: Any others? I need a second.
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Bird: Second.
Cowie: Motion made and seconded to approve the request for Conditional Use
Permit for an ice arena for the changing of 1.2 to read the minimum of seven
handicapped-accessible spaces must be provided to directly serve this facility.
Any other comments? Mr. Clerk, roll-call vote, please.
Roll-call: deWeerd, aye; McCandless, nay; Anderson, aye; Bird, aye
MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE NAY
Item 14. Public Hearing: CUP 00-016 Request for Conditional Use Permit
fora 200-unit luxury apartment complex in a proposed L-O zone for
proposed Resolution Business Park by G.L. Voigt /Overland,
LLC -south of Overland Road and east of Locust Grove Road:
Cowie: Item 14 is a request for a Conditional Use Permit fora 200-unit luxury
apartment complex for Resolution Business Park.
deWeerd: Mr. Mayor, I move that we instruct the City Attorney to prepare
Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law for approval of the request for a CUP
fora 200-unit luxury apartment complex by Resolution Business Park to note on
1.1, Page 2 of the 401 spaces would be approved with the 553 including the
tandem parking and the CC & Rs should say no RV parking.
Bird: Second.
Cowie: Motion made and seconded to approve the request for Conditional Use
Permit for the 200-unit luxury apartments as stated in the motion including the
C~ & Rs to provide and remove - no boat, campers or trailers.
deWeerd: Mr. Mayor, I move to discuss 1.5 as well.
Cowie: Okay.
deWeerd: I would recommend that 1.5 also be deleted in my motion.
Bird: Yes.
Cowie: Okay. Also with the condition of removing 1.5 of the condition on Page
3. Any further discussion? Hearing none, roll-call vote, Mr. Clerk.
Roll-calla deblieerd, aye; McCandless, nay; Anderson, aye; Bird, aye
MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE NAY
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Corrie: The owner is the one that has the right to say whether it's annexed or
not. We're going to have the public hearing on Items 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 and 14.
That is the Resolution Business Park. Conditional Use Permits, preliminary plat,
and the rezone and the annexation and zoning. Then the Council has said that
we will continue the public hearings on Items 17, 18 and 19 on Autumn Faire
Subdivision to June 20' 2000. We may be here fairly late on the Resolution Park,
and we don't want to make the wrong decisions with the others. So we will be
continuing the public hearings on 17, 18 and 19. That's the daycare. Sorry. It's
still a public hearing. We will take up Item 20, 21. Twenty-two has been tabled
at the request of the applicant until July 5, 2000. So we won't hear that one. We
will do the 23 with the request for Conditional Use Permit by Meridian School
District, and then we'll have the Department Reports. The ones that -Items 17,
18 and 19 will be heard first on the 20th. They'll be first on the agenda.
Item 9. Public Hearing: AZ 00-004 Request for annexation and zoning of
16.119 acres from R-T to C-G for proposed Resolution Business
Park by G.L. Voigt /Overland, LLC -south of Overland Road and
east of Locust Grove Road:
Item 10. Public Hearing: RZ 00-003 Rezone of 37.64 acres from an R-4 to
an L-O zone for proposed Resolution Business Park by G.L.
Voigt /Overland, LLC -south of Overland Road and east of Locust
Grove Road:
Item 11. Public Hearing: CUP 00-017 Request for Conditional Use Permit
for proposed Resolution Business Park for a planned commercial
development consisting of multi-family, commercial, office and LDS
seminary in proposed L-O and C-G zones by G.L. Voigt /Overland,
LLC -south of Overland Road and east of Locust Grove Road:
Item 12. Public Hearing: PP 00-006 Request for Preliminary Plat approval
of 17 building lots and 2 other lots on 107.06 acres for proposed
Resolution Business Park by G.L. Voigt /Overland, LLC -south
of Overland Road and east of Locust Grove Road:
Item 13. Public Hearing: CUP 00-015 Request for Conditional Use Permit
for an ice arena consisting of office, pro shop, fitness center,
restaurant, locker room and equipment storage for proposed
Resolution Business Park / Lee Smith Ice Arena by Pat
McKeegan -south of Overland Road and east of Locust Grove
Road:
Item 14. Public Hearing: CUP 00-016 Request for Conditional Use Permit
fora 200-unit luxury apartment complex in a proposed L-O zone for
proposed Resolution Business Park by G.L. Voigt /Overland,
LLC -south of Overland Road and east of Locust Grove Road:
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Corrie: We'll open the public hearings on Items No. 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 and 14. All
testimony can be done at the same time if you want. You will and can address
any one of those that you wish at that time. The applicant will have five minutes
if they want to do each one of those, and if you want to do any testimony on any
of the others, you'll have three minutes for each one of those. Sounds confusing,
and I'll go through it with you as we get up here. So at this time I'm going to
open the public hearing on the request for the annexation and zoning of
Resolution Business Park, the rezone of the 37.64 acres from R-4 to L-O zone.
The Conditional Use Permit for proposed planned commercial development
consisting of multi-family, commercial, office and LDS seminary, and also the
request for preliminary plat of the 17 building lots in the Resolution Business
Park. Request for a Conditional Use Permit for an ice arena and Conditional Use
Permit for 200-unit luxury apartments by Mr. Voigt. So at this time I'll open the
public hearing and have staff comments first.
Stiles: Mr. Mayor and Council, I am going to address these in order just to kind
of clarify where we're at. The first public hearing, Item No. 9, is a request for
annexation and zoning to C-G of 16.119 acres. That would be the property right
here. It is not currently in the City limits. They are proposing a mixture of office,
daycare and some retail on this corner. The applicant's representative is aware
of our request that they come in later for a Conditional Use Permit for a planned
development as they did not have the details of that finalized. They haven't
submitted elevations of these buildings, and they would come back in at a later
date. They are requesting the annexation and zoning to C-G. Item No. 10 is a
request for rezoning of 37.64 acres. Some of you may recall that this formerly
was a 97-acre subdivision known as Sundance Subdivision. It was approved by
the City Council some time ago. Since that time, some changes in the area, the
Cesco, John Deere facility coming in here, the approval of the Freightliner facility.
Directly across the street led the owner of the property to rethink his development
options, and he has since sold 55 acres of this property to the Meridian Joint
School District for ahigh-school site leaving this remainder as part of his request
now for a rezone to L-O. Within the L-O, they have proposed under public
hearing under Item No. 11 the Commercial Development with the multi-family
apartments, 200 units, some commercial office and an LDS seminary be located
in an L-O and C-G zones. Under public hearing Item 12, they had asked for a
preliminary plat approval. In this configuration, they are requesting platting
approval for 17 building lots and 2 other lots. Under item 13, they're requesting
the ice arena that wold be located on this lot within this proposed subdivision.
They have presented elevations and detailed plans of that facility. Item 14 would
be the 200-unit apartment complex. That would be located in this area here.
They have provided all the information required for a planned development
including elevations of the buildings. So although many of the opponents and
also the proponents of this development may address all of their comments at
one time, they are separate issues that would need to have separate Findings on
them. I just wanted to make that clear.
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Corrie: We'll try to make it less confusing for them when they get up here and
what they want to talk about. Later they can, too. Okay. The developer's
representative. Now, Becky, if this gets -you don't want to do it all at once, you
can do it each time and we'll have the comments of the public at once. Make
their comment on the annexation and zoning and separate that if they want it as
well. I don't know whether you're having some difficulty back there.
Bowcutt: I guess at the Planning and Zoning Commission, we did on the
annexation and rezones, obviously, need to go into a lot of detail. I don't want to
be repetitive this late in the hour. But there are issues with each application that
should be addressed, and I think if we try to lump them all in -it's going to get
confusing for the Council. !prefer to take them individually. Like I said, I'll take
the least amount of time possible. Becky Bowcutt, 11283 West Hickorydale,
Boise. I'm representing the applicant in this matter. The first application, as
Shari indicated, is the application for annexation and rezone of that corner parcel.
As you recall, we came before you here six, eight, ten months ago with the
Comprehensive Plan change. We asked that this be designated mixed-planned
use development where all the particular uses will require conditional use
approval by the City. We provided a concept plan for that corner parcel. We do
not have any particular users at this time. So the best of our ability, consulting
with an architect, we came up with this particular configuration. We don't
anticipate that happening until we see an overpass go through. This is obviously
a three-leg-type intersection. You don't typically see it in retail users of any
substantial size until you've got more traffic than is out in this vicinity at this time.
So this is down the road. It's not something that we anticipate being constructed
at this time. We requested a C-G zoning designation: Your staff recommended
a neighborhood commercial, and our response to the staff, we indicated that
neighborhood commercial would be acceptable. I guess staff had some
concerns allows some pretty heavy commercial uses as we have found across
the street with the Freightliner, Cesco, 1 think the contractor's yard. In this vicinity
since this property is at a major two arterials, Overland and Locust Grove, and in
considering that we have the C-G zone across the north side of Overland, this is
an appropriate use for the property. Do you have any questions?
Bird: I have none.
Corrie: Let's see if the public has something that they want to say on that. Then
we'll go to the next one and kind of keep this is some kind of order. Okay. This is
a public hearing. Is there anyone who would like to issue testimony on the
request for annexation and zoning right now? Okay.
Bertell: Actually, I would like permission - my name is Marion Bertell, I live at
2534 South Velvet Falls Way, Salmon Rapids Subdivision, Meridian. I would like
my statement to address all of Items 9 through 14, and I'll give a copy of it to Mr.
Berg. At this time, I would like to reiterate to the members of the Council what
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my husband has stated to the Planning Commission at the last meeting. We
have 725 signatures from the residents of Salmon Rapids Subdivision, Raven
Hills Subdivision, Los Alamitos Subdivision, Sportsman's Pointe Subdivision,
Hunts Bluff Subdivision, and Meridian Greens Subdivision all respectfully asking
the City Council to at least delay approval of the development proposed for
Locust Grove and Overland Road area until such time that Overland Road is
widened to five lanes. Those who have signed the petitions are frustrated over
having to drive the already heavily traveled traffic road on a daily basis and agree
with the Ada County Highway impact analysis that a development such as this
one before the City Council tonight would only intensify and exacerbate an
already existing major traffic problem. My husband parked at the intersection of
Locust Grove and Overland Roads on March 23~d from three p.m. until six p.m.
and counted 3,137 vehicles using the intersection of Overland and Locust Grove.
This coincides with the Ada County Highway District's Findings of 11,422 vehicle
trips per day on Overland Road. Please bear in mind this is already existing
traffic. During that three-hour period, he also saw one rear-end accident and one
near accident. As the Ada County Highway District pointed out in its report, the
traffic on Overland Road and Locust Grove will easily double and more than
likely triple as a result of this development. That's the entire development of all
of the proposed. We as residents of the six existing subdivisions directly
impacted by this development and a seventh subdivision which is just being
developed are especially concerned since, one, it appears that Ada County
Highway District has no plans to widen Overland Road until 2004; number two,
no plans to widen Locust Grove south of Overland until way beyond 2005;
number three, no plans to even install a traffic light at the intersection of Overland
Road and Locust Grove Road until 2004 or until, quote, wanted. The developer
hopes to start the major ice hockey and sports arena before the end of this year.
The Meridian School District, pending bond approval, could open the new high
school by the fall of 2002. Additionally, office, retail and residential phases of the
development will be completed probably well before 2005. We are not opposed
to development, just to the development prior to widening Overland and Locust
Grove Roads. Prior to the beginning of heavy construction vehicles traveling the
roads, ,tying up traffic or lane restrictions. We need to consider the need for
emergency vehicle traversing Overland and Locust Grove Roads to access
homes in the area or accidents on Overland which there are many. It would be
difficult at best as there is no place for traffic to move over out of the way. We
have very little shoulder there. We ask that Overland and Locust Grove not
become another fiasco like the Curtis Road extension. We respectfully request
that you consider the opinion. of the 725 residents of Meridian who signed the
petitions as well as all of us who live near this development. We ask that the City
Council of Meridian plan wisely, plan carefully, put the horse before the cart, not
wait until the mother and father are called by the coroner to identify their child's
body on the road. Please take action to alleviate traffic and pedestrian problems
and potential hazards prior to approval of this project. which will create and
intensify the already-existing problems. Thank you. I have one further personal
comment I'd like to make that is apart from the petition, and I don't know if it's
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even legal or it can be done. I would like to recommend also when this is
developed after the roads are widened that the development between Locust
Grove and Eagle Road south of Overland that there be a citizens committee with
three people from the subdivisions to work with Brad Hawkins-Clark regarding
bike paths, the park that is projected, access to the park from Locust Grove and
Eagle Roads be a bike path and landscape berms. Also, in the Planning and
Zoning hearing regarding the ice arena and the high school, I believe there is a
serious problem there because there is one ingress and egress road that comes
down to the ice arena into the high school, a 600-foot road. There is no
emergency access coming from Locust Grove or any major arterial.. The only
roads that could even possibly come in there unless one is designated and built
in this projection, they would have to be sending fire trucks or EMTs through
subdivision where children sometimes play in streets. This is not a safe
condition. You need to have emergency access included somewhere like from
Locust Grove into the high school and the ice arena. It's just not logical as it
stands now. I thank you for your time, and I will give you a copy of my original
comments and the petition. I also have a fax sheet if you like it where my
husband got the (inaudible).
Corrie: And do you wish to have your testimony included in all?
Bertell: Yes. Would you please include my testimony on each of the items?
Thank you very much.
Corrie: Is there anyone else that would like to issue testimony on the annexation
and zoning that's different that will be heard?
Southerland: Mr. Mayor, Council, my name is Ted Southerland, 2365 East Three
Bars, Meridian, Idaho. What I have to say is probably going to be an echo of
what I said the last time that I was here and everybody except the Mayor was
lucky enough to have not been here the last time. I lived in this area for two and-
a-half years, watched a number of homes in that section that I live in (inaudible)
triple, and I can see us double in the next 12 months. It's that whole mile section
of Overland, Victory, Locust Grove and Eagle, there's going to be nothing but
houses, and you're going to add 200 more facing Overland. I signed the petition
- (inaudible) petition should have included adequate intersection at Meridian and
Overland, and it should have included an overpass over Locust Grove. Until we
get those two things -five-lane road going down Overland isn't going to do us
any good at all (inaudible). You're still going to have a problem with cars backing
up on the Meridian highway on Meridian Road and Meridian-Kung Road. You're
going to have people coming up on Locust Grove and have them to get into that
mess. If you will consider our part of town Meridian - I don't. I told you last time
that I do not consider -
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Southerland: -- Meridian at this point. We don't have anybody on the City
Council from that part of town. We don't have any access to this part of town to
where I live. I can't make a left turn off of Locust Grove onto Overland without
endangering myself half the time, so I don't go that way. I go right. Rather than
making a left turn I go down to Five Mile and do my shopping down there. I have
no reason to come to Meridian. I have no access to get here. If you want to
consider us part of your city, you're going to have to make yourselves, make
some streets - we are living on country roads right now. That's all they are.
Two-lane, country roads with country intersections, and you're expecting us
enjoy having 200 houses between us and your city. I would think - (inaudible).
But this is just idiotic in my estimation. If I were to be a part of the City Council,
you turned one subdivision down one time down. I was here one other time and
you voted it down. To vote this through right now would totally destroy me. I've
got well property - (inaudible) turn down when you turned the last one down. I
have absolutely no problem with the commercial use that's going in there. My
wife dreams of having an ice skating rink so she can go ice skating. She could
have been, very easily, been an Olympic ice skater with the proper money back
when she was a little bit younger. That's going to be industrial, commercial
zoning through - I have no problem with this. The problem that I have and the
problem (inaudible) has is the streets. If we can't get from our house the way we
have to go, you've destroyed a whole bunch of attitude (inaudible). Thank you.
Corrie: Anyone else as far as the annexation and zoning is concerned?
'~:'/~~~-~: Eruce Waite, I'm a r~sid~nt of Meridian. 1753 South Labrador Place,
Sportsman Pointe Subdivision, Phase V, Meridian, Idaho. I addressed the City
Council a year ago. There are two new faces on it when the Sundance
Apartment Complex was being planned on the north side of Overland west of
Locust Grove, and there was quite a bit of discussion at that time on the traffic
problems of that one small apartment complex would cause on Overland Road,
and the City Council at that time denied the rezoning and the Conditional Use
Permit based on the perceived or anticipated traffic problems. This is ten-fold
times worse than that. At the time, the City Council also discussed no more
commercial or no more retail development on Overland Road until the problems
were fixed. So I guess I would like to restate that from your actions a year ago.
Just a couple of questions for you, I'd like to know how this project is going to
affect my home value as we have heard previously. The traffic problems tie
(inaudible) sell my home in the future and potential folks come to look at it and
they see the disaster of the road problem, my home value's down the tubes.
There's a need for no more business parks. If you drive down Overland to Maple
Grove, down Emerald, they have a zillion half-completed business parks. How
many more do we need? It's just not compatible to subdivisions. Thank you.
Corrie: Thank you. Got something new to talk about other than traffic?
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Shepherd: My name is Dave Shepherd, and I live next to Bruce here at 1791
South Labrador Place. I'd like to show you what happens to me on the map
here. This is my house right here. Straight up the street (inaudible). So you can
see what that's going to do to me. Some of us are brand new in this town,
moved here from Seattle about a year and-a-half ago. This gentleman just came
in from Portland. He wasn't aware of anything. We have no impact statements
to tell us what's going on. That's all I have to say (inaudible).
Shipley: John Shipley, 2770 South Locust Grove Road. Resident there for 28
years. I've watched a lot of growth in our valley. I think some of the things that
are proposed here are going to be a real positive thing for the community. But
the impact of the traffic and everything needs to be looked at. If there's no law
stating that we can't build this stuff before the roads are appropriate, there should
be a law. If there's not common sense between you folks stating that you know
there's a problem and we need to hold it up until ACHD corrects the problem, I
understand that the subdivider's going to put up a good share of the money for
their road improvement. I don't think five lanes is even close to enough. I spent
over an hour the other night coming from Wal-Mart up Overland Road the other
night to make a left turn onto Locust Grove and watched as two and three traffic
lights changed each time. It was five o'clock, and I had made it witf ~ the mistake
of going over to Wal-Mart during the traffic time. I don't shop in Meridian
anymore. Igo to Kuna. Kuna is about 15 minutes drive, and there's no hassle.
The prices are the same out there. I come to Meridian, and it's quite evident the
main street of Meridian -beautify it instead of making extra lanes there, they got
little cul-de-sac places for cars to park. They made it pretty instead of practical.
It goes on and on. Everybody can be critical about anything. Just look at it. But
if you know there's a problem ahead of time, don't cause it to get worse. Fix it
before the problem gets any worse. That's what I'm asking.
White: My name is Lisa White, and I just moved here from Jackson, Wyoming. I
live at 2512 Meadowwood Court, and I'm not against widening the roads; I think
that's good. But like she said, it might take -you guys (inaudible), but by the
time you wait that long, something smaller that won't cause as much traffic would
go in there, and there would be no place for the ice rink. I'm pretty sure that the
other rinks excluding the Idaho Ice Rink, but they're not for public use. They're
all hockey and based upon the Steelheads. Driving all the way out to tl'ie rink
every morning takes a long time and it's, like, really tiring to go all the way out
there. An ice rink and all the other little businesses aren't going to bring so much
traffic that it's going to cause that big of a problem because if you drive Fairview,
that's only, like, two lanes, and there are businesses all over it. No matter where
you go there's going to be traffic. NO matter where you go things are going to
grow and get bigger whether it'd be a Wal-Mart, an ice rink or something like that.
I think that you should make the roads wider, but I think that should happen in
time instead of waiting so long (inaudible). until something else is proposed in this
building site. Thank you.
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Gale: Mayor Corrie and City Council members, I'm Norma Gale, and I reside at
299 East Spinosa Drive in Meridian. I would be very much in favor of the ice
arena. It's needed by the youth of our community, and selfishly, I know it would
help my grandchildren who go out to Ice World out by the outlet mall and also
downtown Boise. So I would think it'd be wonderful to have this facility in
Meridian. I realize the problem with traffic, but I think historically the Ada County
Highway District has responded after development when they see it is indeed
going to take place, and I assume that the developer would help with the costs of
the road. So I ask that you would approve the Resolution Business Park. Thank
you.
Corrie: Anyone else?
Barren: Good evening, my name is Michelle Barren, and I reside at 2512 East
Meadowwood Court in Meridian. I'm the mother of the daughter who just came
up here to speak. We just, as she said, moved here from Jackson Hole,
b'Vyoming, where development there is a lot harder than here. I am in agreement
for the ice rink being built. She is an ice skater as well as I have two children
who are hockey players. The commute here is much longer than what we used
to make, and ifi's very hard when you have two full-time parents that are working
to be able to also get your children to their activities whereas with my children,
it's hockey and ice skating. They've been doing it for many years, and I would
hate for them to just discontinue that because with working where we have to
work, any families -both parents have to work to bring in an income, and I hate
to do that because of my schedule and how far the rink is right now going to the
Idaho Ice World. I can understand the situation with the traffic, but I see that
everywhere I go now. I see that on Franklin Road. I see it in other areas, and as
I would hope that it eventually would take action (inaudible) but I'd hate to see
this delayed any longer for the children of the community here in Meridian. I do
notice that they do need some more things here in Meridian for the children, and
it's very good to have something for the children. The needs, the sport -they
need to be involved so that they stay out of trouble. I think it's a big reason why
- my daughter hasn't been in as much trouble as she probably could have if she
didn't have this to fall back on and keep her attention. So I would like to see this
approved that they can at least get working on the developments over there and
hopefully the situation with the roads will come when it's needed. Thank you.
Corrie: Thank you. Anyone else at this time? Okay. Becky.
Bowcutt: I'd like to remind you that this particular application just involves that
corner for the annexation and the rezone to that neighborhood commercial. As I
stated before, all those uses are in concept only. We would have to come back
before you, go back through the Ada County Highway District, public notice
would be sent again for any specific uses. So although we're here asking for
annexation and zoning and a conceptual approval, we do not have any particular
user on this southeast corner. So really, technically, we don't have anything
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going in there at this time. There have been a lot of comments about traffic and
the apartments, and I'd like to hold my comments until I get to that one.
deWeerd: Mr. Mayor, I just have a question. Becky, what is your phasing idea?
I mean, when do you think that you're going to bring anything back to the Council
on this?
Bowcutt: On the corner? There's nothing scheduled at this time or has even
been really discussed in any detail. We were thinking five years. Probably five
years out.
deWeerd: Thank you.
Corrie: Okay. Do you want to address the request for Conditional Use Permit for
proposed planned commercial development? That's part of that. Okay. How
about the preliminary plat on the building lots and 2 other lots on 107.5 acres?
Do you have anything -actually on No. 12. Kind of -
Bowcutt: Didn't you skip the rezone?
Corrie: Did I? Well, that's sorry. That's a planned commercial development.
(inaudible) Item 11. That's right.
Bowcutt: The remainder of the property there that is cross-hatched is currently
zonE~d R-4. It's annexed into the City. When that property was zoned and
annexed, there was a preliminary plat as Shari indicated called Sundance
Subdivision. It was all single-family dwelling lots. The Meridian School District
approached the applicant and asked if they would be willing to sell 55 acres of
this parcel for a future high school. They were in dire need of a site south of the
freeway. They had monies that needed to be spent within a certain period of
time. They had another site that they thought they were going to close, and it fell
through at the last moment. My client agreed to sell that to him, but one of the
things that we discussed when we met with the School District was they wanted
our assurance that we would not put any single-family dwellings north of that
school. We do not want to create another Borah High School situation where we
`:,~~~~:.~ : ubstantiU; cu f;ro;;yi~~ Traffic Through single-far~ily neighbur~~oods. " hey
said office, multi-family, some limited retail, any uses like that would be
acceptable. And we agreed. When the Council zoned the property north across
Overland to C-G for the Freightliner, I came before this body and testified that it
would be difficult to put single-family =~c;r~:~ss the street rrc~m that typa of intensive
commercial use. That we would probably have to change the use. At that time,
the designation on the Comp Plan was single-family residential. As I stated
before, we came back through and asked for mixed-planned use development,
and that was granted. We chose the L-O zone because it's kind of a nice
umbrella zone, and with the planned commercial development, it would allow
different uses within ,that L-O. But it was not intensive as, say, the C-G. The
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School District has looked at our site plan. We've discussed our collector
roadway system to them. As you may recall, Mr. Voigt and some of the other
property owners in the area have spent a lot of money getting the sewer across
the freeway. They worked with the City in conjunction with boring water and
taking water north and taking sewer south. Sewer has been extended uo to
Overland over here on the corner. Water has been extended down and across
the freeway so those facilities are available. As far as the roadway system, the
way Ada County Highway District works is these roads are paid for in arrears
through impact fees. That's how we do it. We have worked closely with the
Highway District. We went before the Commission and talked in depth about
what we'd like to see out there. They've got Overland Road targeted for five
lanes in 2004; however, if the bond issues pass this fall, the School District
indicates they'll begin construction Spring 2001 and have the high school
occupied by the Fall 2002. So we urge the Highway District Commissioners to
accelerate their plan and rebuild that to five lanes since that high school will most
likely be coming on line within a couple of years. The other thing we brought up
with them, they have set forth the requirements for us to build a third lane all
along Overland Road to trust fund for 75 percent of a signal at the collector
roadway which will come out of the high school site. To trust fund for 25 percent
of the signal at the intersection of Locust Grove and Overland. Then install,
obviously, sidewalks along Overland and Locust Grove. The point that I made
before that Commission was - I'd hate to spend a considerable amount of money
on that roadway if in 12 or 18 months they're going to come in and tear it out and
build the five lanes. If the monies are going to be spent, let's do it right. So
we've been working closely with them and going over ideas. Now the problem
that arises is that we have impact fee money. They said they've got - I think
their staff member indicated a million dollars that they can allocate to the
roadway, but they've got to find matching funds within the budget because they
can't rebuild the existing lanes with impact fee money. So they have to re-budget
to accelerate that building of Overland Road. But if need be, we will build the
third lane because that is the added capacity that would be necessary, and when
they look at our projects, they look at it from the worst-case scenario, the
maximum build-cut, and this is a phased project. I think I stated in the
application the first one to come on line would be the ice arena. They wouid lire
to begin construction this year if at all possible. They want to be located next to
that high school. They think it's an appropriate area. They like the Meridian
area. Easy access to the interchange at Eagle Road. The apartments would like
to begin construction of their first phase in Spring of 2001. Other than that, the
only other user we have is the LDS Semii~ary. They'll have to come back before
you with a Conditional Use Fermit application. So as far as the first phasing, it's
quite limited. But the commercial alone will ~!enerate, according to Ada County
Highway District, a million dollars in impact fees just with the commercial on the
corner. Not including any of the commercial or the office or apartments on the
other side. We feel we've got a really good project. We want to get that collector
roadway. We've got to get the sewer and 'the vdater down to the school site, and
we feel this will compliment the City. We also feel it will provide necessary
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services out to this suburban area, and if you can capture some of these trips,
then we decrease the number of trips on the interstate as they go to Ice World.
On all the other roadway systems, the further they've got to travel to have
necessary services, then the more impact we have on our transportation system.
So if we can provide some of these neighborhood commercial services out in the
suburban areas, we will cut down on the traffic. We feel this is a good project.
We would hope that you would support it, and we think the L-O zone is
appropriate.
Corrie: Okay. Any questions at this point? Thank you, Becky.
Shepherd: Dave Shepherd, 1791 South Labrador. We're wondering about the
impact in our area and who cares about us. We're putting our names on paper.
We'll send them out here, but we're not getting any recognition. This is going to
really affect us. It's five years down the line for that piece of property. Then
come back in five years when you've got something on paper. You know, I'll look
up the street (inaudible) just like I'm looking at you, and I have to see what's up
there. It affects my property rights as well as everybody else. So we need a fair
shake.
Corrie: Any new testimony, please. If yo!~ ?;ave been ~.ip here before, you've
already had your say, and if you're going tc ;;~;~ ~,~~;;;-;, ~;+,z don't want to hear it
because you're already on the record with that testimony. If you've got
something new that you want to add on this part of it, you're welcome to come
up.
Bertell: I just wanted to clarify one thing that I was concerned about. I'm sorry -
Marion Bertell, 2534 South Velvet Falls Way, Meridian. On the lower part of site
A, there is no provision, the only ingress and egress road is that one road that
comes down to the high school site and to the ice arena site. A 600-foot road. If
there is an event at the ice arena that lets out for the evening and, say, a
basketball game lets out at the high school, and someone is hurt in there, and
that road is blocked with traffic leaving, there is no provision for an emergency
access road for a vehicle to get in there to help someone that's hurt. I truly feel
that on Site A at the lower end there should be an ingress and egress emergency
road to facilitate help for people that might be hurt when they can't get in there
because of traffic. Thank you.
Barren: My name is Michelle Barren, 2512 Meadowwood Court. I wanted to just
add in regards to the high school that I was very shocked when I moved here to
find out that my daughter's high school was Eagle High because our nearest
crossroad is Eagle and Fairview. Eagle High is farther than Centennial High; it is
farther than Meridian High for her. The reason I was told this was the other two
school districts are overcrowded. So she does have to travel much farther. I
hope she gets her driver's license this year, and that's going to be farther for her
to drive. I'm sure being a new driver, too, I would prefer she went to the other
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school as well to be closer as well as the ice rink being closer to her. It'll be a
shorter distance for her. In regards to the roads, Ada County coming in and
~:~!ic'enir.g the roads, if -what better way to get them in there to start widening the
r_~~~,cs than to start building some businesses down there, and then maybe they
wiil get in there much quicker, then if we don't, they probably will push it back and
take care of some other roads. This will be a good way to get them in to start
building the roads if we start building down there.
Corrie: Thank you. Any one else here on the Item No. 11, the L-O and C-G
zones? Okay. Becky, on the preliminary plat, 17 building lots and 2 other lots on
107 acres; do you want to address that now? We're on 11 now, sorry. Item 11.
I'm one step ahead of you. Rezone -Sorry. We're on 11 now. Oh, you're done
with 11 now? So we're on 12.
Bowcutt: Becky Bowcutt, 11283 West Hickorydale, Boise. This is the
subdivision plat which we have submitted as one of the applications with this
property. The first phase of this subdivision will encompass this area here. This
is not part of the first phase. Obviously, we wouldn't plat that at this time until we
know what's going to happen down the road. The roadway network system
street you see here is a big collector roadway. This will be a signalized
intersection here. Ada County Hightivay District has indicated that they would not
allow this high school to go in there without that light. The School District has
assured me that they wouldn't go in there tivithout that light. One of the things
that's going to happen is you're going to have these peak hours for the high
school. The District likes the fact that they'll be platooning these cars right here,
and then they'll have the signalized left-hand turn. The advantage of putting a
signal here is it causes the cars to platoon at this point here heading west which
then allows breaks in the traffic for this particular intersection to make alert-hand
turn at Locust Grove. Locust Grove at this time is a level of service A. Overland
Road is a level of service D at this time. This roadway network here, there were
comments about the ice arena ~rrhich will be located on this Lot 2, Block 1, here
that this is the only access. That is not correct. This is a public street. It's built
to collector standards. This is a public street stubbed over to the east. That will
bu built to collector standards also. This iS a little, v~hat ~~e call, round-about here
with landscaping in the middle. We have one, two, three, four accesses on
Overland in alignment with the access points to the north of Overland, and then
we have two access points on Locust Grove and the Highway District made this
align with Peacock, and then they made us offset from the new LDS church's
driveway here. So we did have to change our approaches at this location. 1/Vhen
I met ~,vith your staff, tt-~ey indicated tha# they thought it would be preferable that
the School District lot be platted at this part of our application. The reason being
is at one time this was all one parcel. If you recall, the City of Meridian owns this
4.2 acres in the corner, so there was a division that took place when this property
was - when I think the subdivision was approved, the residential, then the School
District purchased this, and then an easEment was granted for access out to
Overland. So staff said basically there's been multiple divisions, and we want
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that included. ~o that is why we have in the School District lot. The
not part of the armed-uni development. ~ he at That's
what a o. a ave o to a sewer and water, extend it down
Overland and down this collector roadway to get to the school site and
(inaudible) power. That's where their primary access will be. There is a stub
street here at Raven Hills. There's a stub street here at Los Alamitos. Now,
obviously, those are located at the time when it was anticipated when there was
a subdivision, residential subdivision, that was going to take place here, and
these matched up with that layout. I talked with the School District's architect
today. They only have what they call a rough sketch of their site plan, and would
not even give me a copy of their rough sketch because the School Board has not
endorsed it, nor have they put it out for public comment. Within 30 days they feel
they would have more detailed information. At this time it's conceptual, bubble-
concept only. So as far as the primary access to the school, it will be here. The
Highway District has indicated that these roadways would not be used for
ve icu ar access the sc oo . ey wou a use on or emer ency-
vehicle access Gonda me sin a event that there was blockage
here. So we do have multiple points of access if we -when they ge eir site
pans solidified, then we'll be able to see how they're going to be able to make
these interconnections at this time. I can't tell you. But Mr. Carberry and the
School District has received copies of our site plan and our plat. We work with
them all through this process. There are a couple things I need to go through on
the conditions. As you know, it states on the staff report, unless expressly
modified by the Council, tr;ese conditions snail apply. Under the preiimin.,r; p!at
r2cuiremen,s, there is Item A. U~r'e would like to have our landscaped lots along
our perimeter to be in easements versus separate lots. I believe staff's comment
was they could live with that as long as we did provide them with CC & Rs that
set forth responsibility of maintenance by the Association and not by each
individual lot owner so that you would have consistency in landscaping and
maintenance. Item 10 under the preliminary plat, staff indicated that they would
like the western boundary which would be the multi-family parcel not to have a
fence. The applicants for the multi-family have stated that they would like to
have a fence for security purposes especially if this were to develop retail or
office in the future. Then that would give them some privacy, and, obviously,
some buffer from those uses there. So our preference would be to allow some
type of fencing along this Hunter Lateral. The staff has asked that we pipe the
Hunter Lateral. First we thought about trying to leave it open. We have agreed
to pipe it. 1/~~e are in agreement there. Item 13 deals with this roadway here. We
gave it a name, the technician put a name on it. Staff thought that would be like
a private road. lt's just an access c!rive. J~!st the same that we ha•~;e t"~ro~,~gh this
parcel here for access behind this building. This is a retail building so they'll
have some access here. So we did not intend for that to be a private road;
therefore, requiring curb, gutter and sidewalk built to ACRD standards. It's just
an access, kind of alleyway. So we want to make sure that that is on the record.
Now, staff has put a note on here stating that the final plat must be required prior
to the issuance of any building permits or Certificates of Zoning Compliance.
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With the high school going in, I'm not sure how that's going to impact them.
Obviously, if we were able to process the construction plans and the plat in a
timely fashion, hopefully it wouldn't impact them. Lu if they've get ~, schedule
and the plat's not recorded, I do see some problems arising. So I don't know if
the Council has any ideas or staff has any ideas. But that was one concern that
we did have. Other than that, that's all I have under preliminary plat comments.
deti~Jeerd: Mr. Mayor, Becky, why in your planning on this plat do you not have
emergency access over to the west from Site B and C through Site A?
Bowcutt: We -the Planning and Zoning Commission asked us to make some
interconnection between Site A and Site B since this parcel was long and large,
spanning one-half mile, we broke it up into A, B and Cs. This is B here, I believe.
We provided access out this direction into this traffic circle here. That would
obviously eliminate some of the trips out on the exterior roadways for the
residents of the multi-family area to come into this retail area. Then there's
interconnections between the multi-family and Site C. They have an approach
there on the collector roadway. It's difficult to see on that drawing. It's easier to
see here. So there's an access to the multi-family off of the collector. They've
also got an independent access here at Overland Road. I believe that is in
alignment with Cesco. Then this is where we're making that interconnection
here. Now, one of the things that we talked about with the Commission was how
to keep the high-school kids from finding these other routes out of the site. We
~,va~.t to concentrate the most there at these signals. One of the things that the
Corr~i~~ission talked about was possibly some type of a combination keypad gate
at these locations here to keep kids from possibly wanting to wind their way
through. There's also speed bumps which the Fire Departments don't like.
deWeerd: Has the Fire Department seen that? Can they maneuver that little
circle there? The traffic circle?
Bowcutt: That would be designed to meet their standards as far as the ratings,
yes. It would have to meet all Uniform Fire Standards. All of the radiuses within
~:; ~e complex would have to meet their standards so that you can easily
maneuver a fire truck around any medians or any parking areas. Now, in my
past discussions with Mr. Bowers, he's indicated that if you were to gate
something that he would want to the opticom gates. So I did indicate to the
applicant that that would be a requirement of the Fire Department if the Council
allowed this to be gated.
Corrie: Okay. Public testimony on that one? Okay.
Waite: Again, my name is Bruce Waite, 1753 South Labrador Place. I've got a
couple of comments. One of them spAcifical~•,~. It seems like there are a fet of
pretty pictures ~:r:c; ~~ lot of sweet-talk about this development providing a lot of
access and all the things for the high school. I would like to remind you that that
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bond has not been developed. It's not been put to a vote. We don't know if the
high school is eventually going in there or not. There's a lot of basis for this
development, a lot of sweet-talk based on access and providing things for the
high school. That's a whole separate issue. The community and especially the
residents in that area need to address that when that bond issue comes up. I
would hope that doesn't influence you (inaudible) project. The second item on
Site A, having an access out on Locust Grove directly across from the street
where I come out on Locust Grove, if any of you live on Maple Grove and
Overland, there's a similar short cut. Any time there is a short cut around a
stoplight, there's a tremendous amount of traffic that uses those short cuts
around stoplights. Originally, when some of us went to Planning and Zoning,
there were to be no accesses out from the western Site A on Locust Grove. I
think that would create a fiasco in itself. I do want to remind you that the school
bond has not been voted on. Don't let that influence you on how you vote on
this.
Southerland: Ted Southerland, 2365 East Three Bars. I don't know, you
probably don't know if the LDS Church is already well into construction on that
building out there. 1 don't know if they've got easements or approvals or
whatever the comment was made, but they would have to do something before
they got done. The other thing is if you read the Boise paper today, APA is
talking very seriously about some work cutting down on some road construction
n Ada and Canyon County, and I think that should be taken into consideration in
your decision tonight, also. There is no ~vay in the world that if they're going to
shut down part of the construction on the Flying WYE that they're going to come
out and do anything on Overland Road.
Corrie: That's a whole different thing. Okay. Anybody else?
Southerland: (inaudible)
Corrie: It does, but it doesn't have to do with this right now. It does on the Flying
WYE; you're right.
Bertell: I'm Marion Bertell, 2534 South Velvet Falls, Meridian. Regarding impact
fees. Everyone's talking about we have to build to get impact fees. All along the
north side of Overland, there are huge commercial development. They've
already paid impact fees. This hasn't developed Overland. I rest my case.
r:,orrie: Anyone else? I guess we're on 13 on the Conditional Use Permit for ice
.ar~r;u, p; o seep, fitness center, restaurant and locker room and storage.
McKeegan: My name is Patrick McKeegan representing the applicant on this.
My address is 419 South 8th Street, Suite B in Boise, Idaho. I'm the architect on
the project. I don't know how much information you'd like to have, and because
of the lateness of the hour, I could give you a very brief description of the
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information; an overview, and then you can ask me questions. The testimony
and our application was relatively complete as to what the use of the facility is
going to be. It's going to be approximately 90,000 s.f. Two sheets of ice, one of
which is going to be an Olympic sheet of ice which will be the only Olympic sheet
of ice between Salt Lake and Seattle area when it is completed. That's important
because contrary to what everybody thinks, the rest of the world skates on
Olympic ice sheets. The United States and Canada are the only ones that use
NHL-size hockey rinks. The reason we're putting in the Olympic sheet is so we
can get some venues in that normally aren't coming to Boise because- you don't
have the larger ice. In the application, the figures that we have used for seating
are the maximum for a venue. That includes -that would be if we happen to
have venues in both of the arenas going on at the same time. That would very
seldom occur that we would have packed house on both sides. In most cases,
the usual case for this is going to be two teams practicing on each sheet of ice
which would be 16 people per team, referees, coaches and such. During that
time period and teams waiting to come on the ice or going off of the ice, you'd
have between 120 to 150 people within the facility. We have parking way in
excess of that. The -for the shows and stuff, we'd probably only run one sheet
of ice. It doesn't make sense to have a special show on one side and then have
something competing on the other side. We might have tournaments, but again,
during tournaments, you can only have four teams on the ice playing, and they'd
be rotating through. So you might have people waiting, but you're not -the
figures that we have showing for the seating would very seldom be maxed out.
Usually that .vou~J happen whin the office and retail portions wer8 not in
::-::sines. li 4~re were goir;c~ to bring in an Ice Lapades or something like that, we
wouldn't do that during the day when the businesses were going. We would do
that in the evening to attract people. At that point in time, the office and the retail
parking would become available for overflow parking for our use. Becky
addressed the issue of access to the site. There are two roads coming in off of
Overland directly contiguous to our site. There's also the stub road going to the
east which we anticipate there will be some development to the east that we
would tie into which would give a third access point to Overland Road for our ice
facility. We chose Meridian, we chose this location for the reason that the young
ladies earlier spoke to. All the other venues for ice skating are or. the other end
of the valley, and if you're driving from Meridian or from Nampa or Caldwell to
skate, it's a pretty long drive. We also knew that in the City of Meridian there's a
great need for additional facilities for youth to have a place to skate or for them to
-we're going to have a fitness center for them to participate in that. We'll have -
anticipate some kird of a restaurant it location, and then also a pro shop in
conjunction with the theme. The owners of the property are working on some
synergistic-type uses with Raging Waters to maybe do some passes to where
you could ge d! irinc~ the summer. You could go to Raging Waters for two or three
hours and just bake yourselves crazy, and then you could come down to the ice
rink two or three hours and skate and cool off. Putting together some things like
that to give us some recreational opportunities in this end of the valley. The
obvious connection with the high school is one that we've tried to do. .It's our
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seating in the range of 300 to 500. Most of it is going to be portable seating to be
brought in for special events so that the portions off-rink can be used for dry
skating and dry training.
Anderson: Which was the condition that you said didn't apply?
McKeegan: On my -it's 1.2 on Page 2 of the Recommendations to City Council
at the bottom of the page. It applies, but it's just the only portion it applies to is
the handicapped spaces which we don't have any problem with that. I just
wanted to make sure that since this was the official .record that it reflected the
text of the Planning and Zoning Commission's recommendation.
Corrie: Any other questions?
Bird: I have none.
McKeegan: Thank you very much.
Corrie: Testimony on the ice rink's Conditional Use Permit? Okay. Another
request for Conditional Use Permit fora 200-unit luxury apartment complex,
proposed L-O zone for Resolution Business Park.
Day: Mr. Mayor, members of the Council, my name is Daman Day. I'm
representing Desert West Praoerties as the applicant To; the Conditional Use
~'errrit for the 200-unit luxury Gpartment complex that's been part of this
commercial development. My address for Desert West Properties is 100 West
Overland Road in Meridian, Suite 201. As has been previously explained and
see on the map, the location of the 200-unit apartment complex will be fronting
Overland Road and would have frontage on Millennial Way which would be the
access point to the area with the proposed high school. We are proposing a 200-
unit complex which would be 20 buildings of (inaudible) that's per building. The
(inaudible) drawings here that I can show to the Council, and they would be
available for the Council and any of the residents that are here at the hearing this
evening. Here is a site plan for the multi-family portion of the complex presenting
the layout for the buildings as well as including the buildings, the 20 buildings that
would be here, each housing 10 units for a total of 200. (inaudible) plans for a
clubhouse that would include exercise facilities, a business center for use for the
residents of the apartment complex as well as a pool and other amenities for the
residents. One thing I would like to clarify is this is a -this concept is a patented
concept. We went to some architects out of Callas that specialize in projtrcts that
are specifically designed to blend well with upper-end residential applications.
These complexes you will find in some of the more exclusive areas of the
country. You will see, as I show you, the elevations and explain some of the
things that are provided in with the apartment complex that are apartments
designed for renters by choice. People who are either down-sizing, do not want
the maintenance issues that go along with the single-family home or those who
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are choosing to rent based on the surroundings and the type of development that
we are providing with this complex. As I mentioned, the concept is referred to as
The Big House" Concept. The reason being is that the elevation that (inaudible)
each building proves to be a large single-family home, so it gives the appearance
as opposed to a traditions! garden-chile apartme^ts ~,vhere you share accesses
and entries. -i'hese complexes provide a privately-issued garages, private
access to the units. Again, a very nice curb appeal for each of the exposed
areas of the building. So we will see that it doesn't really look like any apartment
complex that we normally think of when we talk multi-family housing. It is
certainly not like anything that we have here in the Treasure Valley. We believe
that this will be the nicest apartment complex in the state of Idaho. Our proposal
to bring (inaudible) overall conventional development use that we are not only
lessen (inaudible) impact of vehicular trips, it is - (inaudible) 200-unit complex as
recognized by the Highway District in their traffic report, it actually produces less
trips than other commercial and retail. So we feel like it's a good mixed use
development and a good use for the 14.7 acres which w~ are proposing to put
the apartments. As I mentioned, it's 14.7 acres (inaudible) density of about 13.70
units per acre. The (inaudible) arranged for a mixture of (inaudible) proposing
about 40 percent will be one-bedroom, 40 percent will be two-bedroom, and the
remaining 20 percent will be three-bedroom units. With that there are either
single-car garages or two-car garages that are provided with the units. Square
footage would range from about 750 s.f. for a dwelling up to the high end of
about 1348 s.f. per dwelling unit. High ceilings, amenities you would find in the
upper end homes that would allow us to command rates that would be - I don't
recall the exact average, but it's up there. It would be pretty high end of the
market. I would be happy to entertain questions. I do have both of these
elevation drawings that, obviously, (inaudible) leave them here for anybody to
look at. I do have some floorplans for the units as well as the clubhouse or any
other portions of the development.
Corrie: Council, any questions?
Bird: i have none.
Anderson: I have none.
Corrie: Okay. Public testimony on the request for Conditional Use Permit for the
luxury apartments? Becky, do you have anything that you want to say as far as
the development is concerned on the items that have come up?
BoUrcutt: Yes, sir. Under the conceptual planned-unit development application,
on Item 4, you guys in the Code you have your standard requirements that ask
that maintenance buildings be provided, areas be provided for recreational
vehicles. In my comments to staff, we indicated that recreational vohicles ~,vill be
prohibited in this apartment facility. They will not allow any RVs; therefore, we
don't have a need for that. As far as maintenance, nowadays we contract with
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landscape companies that bring their own equipment off site, so there's no need
to have any storage of a maintenance buildings around. The most important
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units per dwelling unit for multi-family buildings three units or above. That has
always been the standardized number; it's consistent with other jurisdictions in
this area for multi-family. In this particular project, they have the one- and two-
car garages. They also have some open parking. Each unit would at least have
a minimum of one enclosed garage that is attached to the dwellings. Staff
indicated that they wanted to see 2.3 parking spaces per dwelling unit. Under
the PD section, there is an obscure comment that this is - my experience with it
being implied - it says "one additional parking space beyond that which is
required by Zoning Title may be required for every three dwelling units to
accommodate visitor parking." Well, the nice thing with this facility with having a
lot of these enclosed, attached garages is you don't have all that hard-surface
parking asphalt area. It allows you to have more landscaped areas and less
parking. We have 401 parking spaces, and that would include the garages and
any of the open parking. In addition to that, there is parking in front of the
garages which is consistent with some of the other complexes that I've dealt with:
Renaissance Apartments out at Boise Research Center on Chinden. I was
involved in that application. Those units had enclosed garages and when people
go to visit, I've been over in that vicinity, I see that there are cars parked in front
of the garages. Obviously, if there's a husband and wife, they only have aone-
cargarage. So we feel that with that -even though that doesn't count for the two
spaces per unit, we have met the intent with 401 spaces of the Code, plus we
feel that we've gone beyond that to impose the point three, I don't think it's
practical. All that's going to do is take away from landscaping and put more
asphalt down. It's a really good site plan with a good concept. I would hate to
add more parking. So I'd like to ask you to please take that into consideration.
Oh, the other thing was a limitation on 30 units.
deWeerd: Mr. Mayor. Becky, I just had a question. Are you referring to staff's
comments or to the recommendation by Planning and Zoning? We don't have
staffs recommendations. We only have the recommendations from P & Z.
Bowcutt: it was in staffs recommendation.
deWeerd: Are you referring to 1.1 on Page 2 or the staff recommendation for the
200-unit apartment complex?
5owcut±: What does it state the parking reyt.iirement is (inaudible) matrix, doesn't
it?
deWeerd: No. It just says our requirements provided in the PD-C section shall
apply to Site B. Apartment complex shall be incorporated here. Is that what
you're referring to?
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Bowcutt: Yes. Part of that PD section is these provisions dealing with RV
parking, maintenance building, and then the additional point three.
deWeerd: So P u Z -
Bowcutt: So it's Section 12-6-8, Design Standards in the PD.
deWeerd: So P & Z is supporting staff's recommendation, or did they modify it?
Bowcutt: We went for four or five hours. I'd thought that they had concurred
with us. I believe that's what I came away. I'm not sure how the attorneys
viewed it when they wrote up the recommendations from the Planning and
Zoning Commission. I believe Steve was at that hearing. Shari was out.
deWeerd: Mr. Borup's here.
Bowcutt: Maybe Keith can enlighten us.
Borup: Yes, we did concur. Becky, just to reiterate, you have 400 parking
places now plus an additional 200, so you've got room for 600 cars?
Bowcutt: I've got, I believe, 553 if you counted the tandem. The requirement is
for 400.
Borup: That was what I think persuaded P & Z is they -similar to asingle-family
residence; the space in front of a garage is used for parking in asingle-family
residence, and that's the same aspect of the plat here.
deWeerd: Thank you.
Bowcutt: Yes, the .3, the Ordinance says "may," and it talks about visitor
parking, not for the resident parking. So we have met the requirement as the
Ordinance for two plus additional tandem.
Corrie: Any questions at this point? Okay. Thank you.
Bird: I have none.
Corrie: All right. Thank you.
Bowcutt: One other issue. In the recommendation by the P & Z, there was
discussion in there about the five-lane roadway.
Corrie: In which one?
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Bowcutt: I can't remember. There are six of them. In the motion in the minutes
when I read through just to refresh my memory, there was discussion about the
road improvements and at what point in time would these road improvements be
required. I believe the Commission on their recommendation stated that no
building permits would be issued until such time as Overland Road was rebuilt to
five lanes. Obviously, the public hearing was closed at that time so we could not
comment; however, I'd like to state for the record in working with Ada County
Highway District, I obviously can't insist that they build those five lanes. We can
do what we can to encourage them and try to get them to participate with us with
the argument that it's public funds will be saved in the long run and that is
necessary improvement in that area. But to state that no building permits could
be issued, that I believe is harsh. That would obviously impact the high school.
That was one of the discussions, I think, in the minutes that Mr. Barbeiro brought
up was if they limited these building permits, the high school as part of this plat
would also be restricted. We only need the third lane to accommodate this
development. Capacity does exist. With the phasing of this project, the
Highway District was satisfied the lower traffic generators are the first couple
phases of this project. The retail will contribute 65 to 70 percent of traffic. The
apartments generate just a little over five trips per dwelling unit. Asingle-family
dwelling generates 10 trips per dwelling unit. So the Commission did approve
this based on the fact that there is capacity that with the improvements they have
requested of us, the additional capacity will be created to accommodate us at
build-out. They are extracting a considerable amount of money for trust funds on
these signals that they indicated they will put in as they feel they are warranted.
Like at Locust Grove and Overland. Do you have any questions?
Bird: I have none.
McCandless: Mr. Mayor, Becky, you keep talking about a third lane, and you
guys are going to put that in?
Bowcutt: Mr. Mayor, Councilwoman McCandless, yes, the Highway District has
stated that they want us to install a third center turn lane along the half-mile of
Overland Road frontage. They've asked that we install center turn lanes that
coincide with the Locust Grove approaches. It's kind of allowing that traffic to get
out -that free-flowing to make that turn into a particular project. Then they've
asked for 75 percent trust fund which I believe is $112,000 for the signal at the
new collector that would provide access to the high school. School District would
be a participant in that light. They imposed the requirement upon us because the
City does not require a Conditional Use Permit for the high school. So the
Highway District would have no opportunity to impose a requirement, so they did
it through the plat and through us. The District has stated that they will pay their
proportionate share. Then we've got a trust fund for $37,000 for 25 percent of a
light at Overland and Locust Grove. Plus we'll be installing sidewalk on Locust
Grove. Thee asked fcr ~5?.000 in trust fund for sidewalk on Locust Grove and
~Jv~ria~,.; ~;a~we~~-ar, ,;,,~ raid request that we be allowed to install that. Especially
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with the school going in shortly. Our idea was we wanted to keep it in our
landscaping so we didn't have any conflicts. They don't like to go in and tear
sidewalk out, so they didn't want us to put it in a right-of-way. They wanted us to
give a trust fund. The City has always been of the City that they wanted the
sidewalks to go in when the projects go in. So they thought they could work with
us if they could meander it through our landscaping. That's what we show on our
site plan. We show that coming in right here on this landscaping. Then we've
got it meandering down here.
deWeerd: Mr. Mayor, what did ACHD say about when the installation was on the
line on Locust Grove and Overland would be going in?
Bowcutt: I brought to their attention the concerns of the residents. I've talked to I
think the President of the Meridian Greens Association and I talked to some
residents that live in Sportsman Pointe. They said that it's not warranted at this
time. The intersection operates at the level of service A, and the left-hand
turning movement, I think, is a level of service D or F. You've got 3500 vehicles
on Locust Grove. That was as of 1999, the vehicle count. With the intersection
that we're creating at the collector roadway, there will be 5000 trips. Three
thousand of those will be generated by this high school. They would not give me
any time table. They just stated in this staff report that they will install it when
warranted. But by putting the light in the collector will create a tuning effect
which will alleviate some of the problems that you've got that they're trying to
make that left-hand turn because you've got a full mile of traffic that's free-flowing
in both directions. You don't have intermittent areas like you find where you want
a signal ahalf-mile mark or the quarter-mile mark where it creates those gaps in
traffic. So that does help the situation. ACRD is also installing free turn lanes at
the intersection of Eagle Road and Overland. In fact, they stated that they will
begin construction on that within just a couple of months. That will enhance that
intersections' capacity. Then they've got Meridian Road and Overland
intersection listed on their critical intersection list, and they hope to get that one
improved too. So they're trying to get aggressive in this area. We are doing
what we can to pay our proportionate share and encourage them to accelerate
their plans.
Corrie: Mrs. McCandless. Okay. Council, any other questions?
Bird: I have none.
deWeerd: Mr. Mayor, I hate to let you down. There were a number of comments
that Becky had on some staff comments in one of these, and she's referring to
the staff comments rather than the Planning and Zoning recommendations. I
don't know if any of the other --
(inaudible discussion amongst Council members)
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Bowcutt: If I could make it easier, I have my written responses. Do you have
that? Those items are bolded.
deWeerd: But those are in response to staff's comments.
Bowcutt: The staff report does say that all of their requirements and suggestions
apply unless expressly modified by the Council. So we have always had atwo-
leg system where even if the Commission concurred with us, we also had to
make sure the Council did.
Anderson: Were there quite a few of them that you disagreed with?
Bowcutt: No, sir. (inaudible).
(inaudible discussion amongst Council members)
Corrie: So does Council have any other questions that require any public
testimony? Hearing none, I'll entertain a motion on closing the public hearing.
Anderson: So moved.
Bird: Second.
Corrie: Motion made and seconded to close the public hearings for Items 9, 10,
11, 12, 13 and 14. Any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor of
the motion say aye.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Corrie: Public hearings are closed. So I assume Council wants to take these
one at a time; correct?
Bird: Yes.
Corrie: Item 9, this is a request for annexation and zoning of 16.119 acres from
RT to C-G for proposed Resolution Business Park by G.L. Voigt /Overland, LLC,
south of Overland Road and east of Locust Grove Road. Discussion? No
discussion, then we'll take a motion.
Anderson: Well, I'll throw out some discussion first, then. Just a comment to the
residents and some people fully understand this and other don't, but the City of
Meridian does not build roads. Ada County Highway District would be the ones
who actually build these roads. This has been a continuing problem for the City
Council that we agree with a lot of the comments that were made out there. We
would love to have the roads widened prior to development coming.
Unfortunately, as Ms. Bowcutt pointed out, the impact fees are collected as
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buildings are built, and we try as we may to try to get the Highway District to build
these roads, but they build them on their a tables, and they build them usually
when something is more of a crisis situation than what we would like to see them
built. Not a good situation for us. If we were to wait until the roads were
widened, we'd probably just shut down all building completely in Meridian, and
there would never be any new growth. I'm not sure that that's a realistic
approach to that situation. I would also make the comment that this project will
probably have less of an impact on overall traffic than several other projects that
could go in there including R-4 and residential. I think this, with the proximity that
this has at the interchange at Eagle Road and the freeway that this type of a
mixed-use would be very well suited for that area. Those are some of my
comments for now.
McCandless: Mr. Mayor, I agree with what Ron said. I think in some ways that
this is a really, really nice concept. I think it will be an asset to Meridian. I do,
however, resent the fact that the developers come in here and almost without
exception, they put the cart before the horse. You've still got two-lane highways
out there. I was out there today, and the traffic is horrendous without any of this
coming on. I sympathize with the guy who is looking at a vacant lot now out his
front window. But you can't expect the growth that we're having in Meridian that
you can't expect it to stay a vacant lot. You're going to have to accept that there
is going to be growth out there. I think it's -the project is great, but we need to
look at things like traffic where there's all kinds of accidents and people being
killed and everything else. I just don't agree with it. You've got two lanes on
Overland and t~~vo lanes or Locust Grove. I have seen projects that Ada County
Highway District has put us on the five-y~~r plan, and ail of a sudden it
disappears. Well, where did it go? Well, it's on the ten-year plan. I've seen it
over and over again. I don't know about the overpass. We need it and badly.
When is it going to be built? Nobody seems to know. We get the excuse from
Ada County Highway District that we need the access before we can get it built
before the Transportation Department will build it, but we haven't seen anything
done on it yet. That's all I have to say right now.
Anderson: Mr. Mayor, on this first item, the request for annexation on Item No. 9,
as Ms. Bowcutt points out, there is no plan right now for development. All they're
simply doing is asking for annexation at this time, and they'll still have to come
before the City Council with a CUP to build something there. In light of that, at
this time I would make a motion that we approve the request for annexation and
zoning for the 10.1 ~ 9 acres for P,T and -was that the one that you were wanting
to go to what was the zoning on that? C-N for the proposed Resolution Business
Park for G.L. Voigt /Overland, LLC, and request that the Findings of Facts and
Conclusions of Law be drawn up by the attorney.
Bird: Second.
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Corrie: Motion has been made and seconded to approve the request for
annexation and zoning of the 16.119 acres from RT to C-N. Any further
discussion?
McCandless: Mr. Mayor, I will vote for this motion but for the simple reason that
what Ms. Bowcutt said. They will have to come back to us before they will do
any building on it, and I can see where it should be annexed.
Corrie: Any other comments?
Bird: I have none.
Roll-call: deWeerd, aye; McCandless, aye; Anderson, aye; Bird, aye
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Corrie: On Item 10, this is a rezone of 37.64 acres from R-4 to an L-O zone, the
proposed Resolution Business Park.
Anderson: Mr. Mayor, I'll throw the motion out and see where it goes here. I
would make a motion that we approve the rezone of the 37.64 acres from R-4 to
L-O zones for the proposed Resolution Business Park for G.L. Voigt /Overland,
LLC, and instruct the city attorney to draw up Findings of Facts and Conclusions
of Law.
Bird: Second.
Corrie: Motion has been made and seconded to rezone the 37.64 acres from the
R-4 to L-O zones for proposed Resolution Business Park. Any further
discussion? Hearing none, roll-call vote, Mr. Clerk.
Roll-call: deWeerd, aye; McCandless, aye; Anderson, aye; Bird, aye
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Corrie: Item 11, this is a request for a Conditional Use Permit for proposed
Resolution Business Park for a planned commercial development consisting of
multi-family, commercial, office and LDS seminary in proposed L-O and C-G
zones by Overland LLC, south of Overland Road and east of Locust Grove Road.
Anderson: Mr. Mayor, I will again make the motion to approve the Conditional
Use Permit for the proposed Resolution Business Park for a planned commercial
development consisting of multi-family, commercial, office and LDS seminary in
the proposed L-O and C-G zones by G.L. Voigt and Overland, LLC, and instruct
the city attorney to draw up the appropriate Findings of Facts.
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Bird: Second.
Corrie: Okay. Item 11 is motion made and seconded to approve the Conditional
Use Permit for planned commercial development consisting of multi-family,
commercial, office and LDS seminary in proposed L-O and C-G zones and to
direct the attorney to draw up the Findings. Any further discussion?
deWeerd: Mr. Mayor, there were a couple of items on this that the applicant
challenged, and that was the parking issue, storage areas which is 1.9 on Page
5. The parking is 1.5 on Page 3. That's under the conditional use.
Anderson: (inaudible)
deWeerd: Do you have the recommendation from the Planning and Zoning?
Then 1.10 which is on Page 6.
Corrie: This is the one about the boats, campers and motorhomes?
Bird: Yes.
McCandless: That's on 14, isn't it?
Nichols: Mayor and Council, if I may be of some assistance. On Page 5 of the
r~c~mmendations from the Planning and Zoning Commission, 1.9 deals with
storage areas. 1.10 is the maintenance building or landscape maintenance-type
things.
deWeerd: 1.5 deals with the parking. Shari is not here - it - I needs time to read
these again. Does it mention in here about the emergency-access road? I know
that was something that was put on.
Anderson: Emergency-access roads from A to B to C?
deWeerd: From B to A on that low area that Becky pointed out.
Bird: On 1.7 it says their access (inaudible) determined.
deWeerd: Shari, does 1.7 address the issue with the emergency access on the
CUP 00-017?
Corrie: Talking about No. 11, Shari.
Stiles: The applicant's representative did submit a new plan today that shows
access -help me, Becky, if it's not right -
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Stiles: -- this area, somewhere in this area that would go through, and that would
serve as emergency access. There will be a bridge or a crossing over the Hunter
Lateral there into this site.
deWeerd: So that should just be noted in the motion? The reference to the
emergency access as shown in the revision.
Anderson: As shown in the revised -
Nichols: Mayor, members of the Council, point of order. In Site A, this is merely
a concept. Site A is not a plat, it's not been formalized. What you can do in your
motion if you're inclined to is indicate that will be emergency-vehicle access
between this area that's covered by this CUP and the area that's covered in the
annexation and zoning -you can figure out how to word that, but at such time
that Site A that there's some development for that, a CUP, a plat, whatever, there
would be a place to connect to and follow up through that process then for that
connectivity. But. even following this particular plan, that's what is shown
because Site A is not platted. I don't think it would be appropriate to mandate
that that's where it should be. You can mandate that one exists, but not
necessarily that that's where it is.
deWeerd: So emergency access to the west from Site B to Locust Grove.
Anderson: I would amend my motion if the second would agree to require the
developer to provide cross-access from Site A, i3 and C, provide access at such
time as Site A is platted.
Bird: Second agrees.
deWeerd: Mr. Mayor, did you want to include in your motion, Councilman
Anderson, 1.5, 1.9 and 1.10?
Anderson: Actually, we want to delete those, right?
deWeerd: Well, don't delete 1.5 totally.
Anderson: Mr. Mayor, the City Clerk is pointing out to me that in the CUP for the
apartments that those maintenance building and the storage areas and the
paring are waived -- the parking's not waived, but the other two are waived for
the CUP for 14, so do we need to take it out of the CUP, too? This one's for the
entire development.
Corrie: Mr. Nichols. It's on the CUP for the apartments.
Nichols: Councilman Anderson, Mayor, members of the Council, that could be
done by stating specifically with regard to Item 1.9 and 1.0 by (inaudible) except
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for the multi-residential development, comma, and then I would also add that
since the applicant has made the statement that there would be no RV parking
that we simply, on Item 14 when we get there, if you're inclined to agree with that
one, to say that the CC & Rs shall provide that there shall be no RV parking,
boats, trailers, campers, motorhomes.
Anderson: That would be item -
Nichols: Well, whatever it is on the next one under Item 14 on your agenda.
Anderson: Okay. So Mr. Mayor, I would make the amendment to take -delete
Items 1.9 and 1.10 from the staff comments and on Item 1.5 allow the applicant's
401 spaces that were presented to suffice for the parking. Do you have anymore
amendments that you would like to make to my motion?
deWeerd: Just keeping you on your toes.
Bird: Second agrees.
Corrie: Motion made and seconded. Any further discussion? Hearing none, Mr.
Clerk, roll-call vote, please.
Roll-call: deWeerd, aye; McCandless, nay; Anderson, aye; Bird, aye
MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE NAY
Item 12. Public Hearing: PP 00-006 Request for Preliminary Plat approval
of 17 building lots and 2 other lots on 107.06 acres for proposed
Resolution Business Park by G.L. Voigt /Overland, LLC -south
of Overland Road and east of Locust Grove Road:
Corrie: Item No. 12 is a request for the preliminary plat approval of 17 building
lots and 2 other lots on 107.06 acres for proposed Resolution Business Park.
(inaudible discussion amongst Council members)
deWeerd: Mr. Mayor, I think the only thing on here is 1.6 on Page 5. If other
Council would like to discuss that, it would be really nice to the residents that
have toughed it out and are still, here, I know you've heard from the other Council
members, but it's really frustrating dealing with ACHD, and we're trying to get our
priorities - as a priority for them, they have been using our impact fees to
improve our roads, and that's all their using. So unfortunately, that forces us to
look at developments that would have a lower impact so that you can pay for the
road improvements. As much as you disagree with it, as much as we disagree
with it, it's the only way that we can get our roads paid for unless anyone has
influence on the Curtis extension, perhaps we can get the funding over here for
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Merckle: The last thing was the conditions from staff that Shari mentioned are fine. We
met with staff -- with Freckleton -- Mr. Freckleton and A-Okay.
Corrie: Okay. Very good. Thank you.
De Weerd: You guys turned this around very quickly.
Corrie: Okay. Any other discussion?
Bird: I have none.
Corrie: Hearing none, I will entertain a motion, then, on the request for Final Plat on
Macaile Meadows Subdivision.
De Weerd: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd.
De Weerd: I move that we approve the request for Final Plat approval of 115 building
lots and 18 other lots on 28.58 acres in an R-8 zone for Macaile Meadows Subdivision,
to employ all staff comments and ask the attorney to draw up Findings of Facts and
Conclusions of Law and Decision of Order.
Bird: Second.
Corrie: Okay. Motion has been made and seconded to approve the Final Plat of
Macaile Meadows with -- as the motion stated, with staff comments and the attorney to
draw up Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law. Any further discussion? Hearing
none, roll call vote, Mr. Berg.
Roll-Call: Bird, aye; De Weerd, aye; McCandless, absent; Anderson, aye.
Corrie: All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT.
Item 13. '' 4'1-008 Request for aOne-year Time Extension on the Preliminary
and Final Plat originally approved on October 3, 2000 for ~~",~oESi~ljttion
'#~rision No. 2` by G.L. Voight Development -Overland and Locust
Grove Roads:
Corrie: Item No. 13 is a request for aOne-year Time Extension on the Preliminary and
Final Plat originally approved on October 3, 2000, for Resolution Subdivision No. 2 by
G.L. Voight Development, Overland and Locust Grove. Staff?
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Stiles: Mr. Mayor and Council, this is for the property that was approved with the
apartments and some retail and office use at the southwest -- southeast corner of the
Locust Grove and Overland. They are still proceeding with phase one. However, they
need to have a time extension both for the Preliminary Plat, as our ordinance requires
that a phased project needs to be submitted in successive intervals of one year and
also the extension to allow their final plat to be submitted in another year, which would
give them to October 3, 2002, if the Council so moves.
Corrie: Okay. Any questions of Council?
De Weerd: I have none.
Bird: I have none.
Corrie: Okay. I'll entertain a motion on the request for the time extension.
Anderson: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Anderson.
Anderson: I would make a motion that we approve the request for cone-year time
extension on the Preliminary and Final Plat that was originally approved on October 3,
2000 for Resolution Subdivision No. 2 by G.L. Voight Development, Overland Road and
Locust Grove Road.
De Weerd: Second.
Corrie: Motion made and seconded to approved the one-year time extension request
for Resolution Subdivision No. 2 by G.L..Voight Development. Any further discussion?
Hearing none, all those in favor of the motion say aye. All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT.
Item 14.
Resolution No.
manual for holidays:
Amending personnel policy
Corrie: Item No. 14 is a resolution, Number -- Mr. Clerk? 01-370. Okay. If the City
Clerk would read the Resolution No. 01-370 by title only at this point.
Clerk: Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council. Resolution No. 01-370,
Employee Classification Compensation and Benefits, Subsection C3, Employee
Benefits, Subject Revision. A Resolution of the City Council of the City of Meridian
repealing Section Four, Employee Classification Compensation and Benefits,
Subsection C3, holidays of the personnel policies manual to delete Columbus Day and
adding the day after Thanksgiving as a recognized holiday.