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PRE -COUNCIL MEETING
AGENDA
Tuesday, January 23, 2007 at 6:00 p.m.
City Council Chambers
33 East Idaho Avenue, Meridian, Idaho
`Although the City of Meridian no longer requires sworn testimony,
all presentations before the Mayor and City Council are expected
to be truthful and honest to best of the ability of the presenter."
1. Roll -call Attendance:
X David Zaremba X Joe Borton
X Charlie Rountree X Keith Bird
X Mayor Tammy de Weerd
2. Adoption of the Agenda: Approve
3. Discussion with Aldape Property for Area of Impact Change:
Discussed
(*15 min)
4. Split Corridor Status Update and Discussion: Discussed
(*30 min)
* Approximate allowable time set for agenda item may change
depending on the discussion. Please us the designated minutes as a
guideline only.
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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL
PRE -COUNCIL MEETING
AGENDA
Tuesday, January 23, 2007 at 6:00 p.m.
City Council Chambers
33 East Idaho Avenue, Meridian, Idaho
`Although the City of Meridian no longer requires sworn testimony,
all presentations before the Mayor and City Council are expected
to be truthful and honest to best of the ability of the presenter."
1. Roll -call Attendance:
David Zaremba Joe Borton
Charlie Rountree _�X_ Keith Bird
Mayor Tammy de Weerd
2. Adoption of the Agenda:, Ve-.)
3. Discussion with Aldape Property for Area of Impact Change:
(*15 min) 44Yc4t_Xrco<.
4. Split Corridor Status Update and Discussion:
(*30 min) eiscoaF-e�
* Approximate allowable time set for agenda item may change
depending on the discussion. Please us the designated minutes as a
guideline only.
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please contact the City Clerk's Office at 888-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting.
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CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS
Keith Bird
Joseph W. Borton
Charles M. Rountree
Shaun Wardle
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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the City Council of the City of
Meridian will hold a Pre -Council Meeting at City Council Chambers,
Meridian City Hall, 33 East Idaho Avenue, Meridian, Idaho, on
Tuesday, January 23, 2007 at 6:00 P.M. The Meridian City Council
will be discussing the following agenda items:
Discussion with Adalpe Property for Area of Impact Change
Split Corridor Status Update and Discussion
The public is welcome to attend the meeting.Ck
DATED this 19th day of January, 2007.
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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING March 13, 2007
APPLICANT ITEM NO. S-A
REQUEST Approve Minutes of January 23, 2007 Pre -Council Meeting
AGENCY COMMENTS
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Meridian City Pre -Council Meeting January 23, 2007
The Meridian City Pre -Council meeting was called to order at 6:00 P.M. on
Tuesday, January 23, 2007 by President Councilman Joe Borton.
Members Present: Mayor Tammy de Weerd, Keith Bird, David Zaremba, Charlie
Rountree and Joe Borton.
Staff Present: Bill Nary, Brad Watson, Pete Friedman, Len Grady, Bob Stowe,
Matt Ellsworth and Will Berg.
Item 1. Roll -call Attendance:
Roll call.
X David Zaremba
X Charlie Rountree
X
Item 2. Adoption of the Agenda:
Bird: Mr. President.
Borton: Mr. Bird.
X Joe Borton
X Keith Bird
Mayor Tammy de Weerd
Bird: I move we adopt the agenda as published.
Rountree: Second.
Borton: It has been moved and seconded to adopt the agenda as published. All
those in favor.
ALL AYES. MOTION CARRIED.
Item 3. Discussion with Aldape Property for Area of Impact Change:
Borton: I think Ms. Ewing we might have you start off with your request and
comments. We all received a January 7, 2007 letter outlining some of your
questions, comments and concerns with the property location and if you could
discuss those a little bit as well as your meeting with Eagle City Council last week
or two weeks ago and we what transpired there.
Ewing: I am Sherrie Aldape Ewing and I live at 2934 E. Lake Hazel Road and I
am representing the Adalpe property, which is at 7570 Basco Lane; there is
1,011 acres down close to my folks in between Ten Mile and Black Cat and
between the Phyllis Canal and the Boise River. I will start out with the letter. Do
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you want me to go through each one of the items that I had on the letter, Joe, or
do you want me to just kind of start out with what happened last week at the
Eagle?
Borton: Start out with what happened with Eagle.
Ewing: Last week there was an Eagle City Council meeting and what they did
was they were going to take the upper bench part out of their comprehensive
plan and so I testified at that meeting indicating that we wanted to be included in
the area that was taken out of the Eagle area and joined into the Meridian area.
They told me at that time that I would need to set up an appointment with Nicole
Baird Spencer who is their planner and get guidance from her. So, they basically
told me that I couldn't do anything at that meeting. So, today I met with her and
her recommendation was for us to fill out the comprehensive plan amendment
form for all of the area down there and that it was quite an intensive form to fill
out, to say the least and it would cost, oh I don't know, $2,000 fill out the form,
plus engineering fees and blah, blah, blah. So, I said if we did all of this would
we be guaranteed that we would get out of the impact area? She said oh no.
That is just the opportunity to bring it to our Council and go from there. Anyway,
that just does not sound like a promising thing for us to do. I mean, if it is
recommended from this Board that we do that, we would certainly do that to get
out of Eagle, but it doesn't sound like — I wasn't skipping out of there.
De Weerd: Mr. President.
Borton: Madame Mayor.
De Weerd: I am sorry Sherrie to interrupt you, but when they were going through
their city area of impact public hearings, were you present during those times to
testify that that area was not desired to include in the area of impact?
Ewing: Yes, I did. Actually May of 2005, you had your open house indicating
that you were changing your impact area and at that meeting I told Nicole that we
did not want to be in Eagle Impact that we wanted to be in Meridian. When
Eagle went to Ada County I testified at that meeting that we did not want to be in
the Eagle impact and I had all of the letters from all of the property owners and I
had presented those also to Ada County and Eagle.
De Weerd: So, you indicated that you did not want to be in there and now they
are telling you that you have to pay an application fee to request to be taken out?
Ewing: Yes, I also asked why if this was the process that we had to go through,
why did the Tree Farm not have to go through this same process because my
family travels up and down Basco Lane every single day and we have got three
families living there and never once have we seen the poster or the sign that
says they are going to have an open house indicating that they are getting out of
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January 23, 2007
Page 3 of 17
the Eagle impact area, but we have to do that. We have to go through the whole
process, but they didn't have to. So, I tried to find out what the difference was
between what they were doing and what we are doing and she says oh, well, we
just added them in because we were just changing a bunch of other little pieces
and we just added them in. I said well why weren't we added in because I had
talked to you on May of '05 and two weeks later I went in and I talked to her face
to face and said we do not want to be in Eagle? I mean, I have this all
documented. How many times I have indicated to Eagle and sent letters from all
of the property owners down there and we are still in there. I am just real
frustrated.
De Weerd: We sometimes have systems that have bugs in it.
Ewing: Now what do you want me to say?
Borton: I appreciate that information. I think that it would be helpful — Brad can
you share with us an update of service issues and some information that Lynn
Moser might have shared and clarification that we might need to know?
Watson: Sure. Thank you Madame Mayor, Council members as you probably
know I have kept in contact with Lynn Moser the Eagle Sewer District general
manager through this whole discussion since maybe last spring. He sent me in
December a copy of a presentation. I think he also copied that to Mrs. Ewing
that showed what his engineer estimated to be the cost for serving this general
vicinity of these properties. I have that in hard copy and I guess the details of
that aren't really pertinent for this discussion other than they estimated a
significant amount of funding to get sewer service to that area. I talked with Lynn
this afternoon just to check in and make sure we all have common information
and one of the things that we discovered was that maybe he didn't understand
my information that I presented to you and Eagle City Council last August on the
incremental cost to Meridian for upsizing the north Black Cat Lift Station to serve
this area. My intention behind those costs was that that is simply the incremental
cost for the facilities up on the bench that were already designing. That has
nothing to do with any cost down below the bench to convey sewage up onto the
hill. It sounded like Lynn misunderstood that and I just wanted to make sure we
understood that and we are all on the same page. In terms of timing, Lynn didn't
really have any timing on how soon Eagle Sewer District could get to this area
and I don't know that we really have great timing information. The north Black
Cat project is under design and if all goes well we could be under construction
later this year, but as we said all along that thing can't be turned on until the
whole wastewater treatment plant upgrade is done, which is in late 2008. That is
the soonest. But, some of that trunk line north, I believe at this point is developer
driven. I hope that answers everyone.
Borton: It does, thank you.
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Rountree: Mr. President.
Borton: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: The only basis I have for this comment or question is what I read in
the Valley Times is kind of a synopsis of your presentation and the Mayor's
response or the Council's response was something on the order that they
anticipated the sewer to be there in the next couple of years as I recall and that
they anticipated the ownership of the Eagle Island State Park, which I thought
was a little odd, but maybe that is the direction they are going, which is quite a bit
different than what we have heard in the past from Lynn and the Eagle Sewer
District, so it seems that there is still that mixed message about infrastructure in
that part of the county and I am pretty sure you weren't under that impression
and I don't know if that was new information to you or not.
Ewing: Well, what we are hearing from the Eagle Sewer District and what we are
hearing from Mayor Merrill and the City Council seem to be on two different
pages. I mean it doesn't seem like — well, I was told from Lynn Moser that they
didn't know anything about Eagle Island State Park except what they were
reading in the paper. So, that means to me that they really have no plans to go
on. Even if they do get to Eagle Island State Park they have still got another mile
to get — another mile and a half to get down to Duck Alley and then from Duck
Alley we are still another mile and a half east — west, sorry. Whichever way that
is — so that is still forever away and we are contiguous with Meridian right now
with the Tree Farm, so to me there is just — I mean, they aren't even comparing
apples to apples.
Borton: Sherrie is seems that in the simplest sense here your question is you
know this particular property is going to be developed within the Eagle impact
area, Meridian's or perhaps in the County.
Ewing: Or Star.
Borton: Or Star. Have you had an opportunity to meet with the Star City
Council?
Ewing: Yes, sir. Well, not City Council. I met with Nate Mitchell and had a
discussion with him and he is ready to take us on, if we can get contiguous with
him. I don't have a map with me right now, but the neighbor to the west of us is
Dr. Orem and he wants his land to stay that way forever because he rides his
horses there, but the land west of him is actually being divided into a subdivision
or they have got plans for it. Across the river they have - they are contiguous
with the City of Star so they are jumping the river by being contiguous that way
and they have got plans coming up the river with their sewer.
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Borton: And you request of Council and what you are trying to gage now from us
is whether or not we would be interested in applying to amend our area of impact
boundary to encompass this property?
Ewing: Yes or even annexation. One of the two. We are looking at all of our
options right now.
Borton: I have some of the same frustrations I think that Councilman Rountree
has in reviewing this and seeing conflicting service time lines and conflicting cost
information. It is not necessarily your fault by any means, but as far as which city
can provide service quicker in a more efficient cost effective manner. It appears
that the City of Meridian can do that both quicker and more cost effective. At
least that is what — most credible information that I have heard. Any questions
from Council on its comfort level with the options before it?
Zaremba: Mr. President.
Borton: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: I would comment that this also has been discussed at the Planning &
Zoning Commission while I was a Planning & Zoning Commissioner. My
personal opinion is that well, duh, it ought to be part of Meridian, you know? The
people that live there currently consider themselves as part of Meridian. The
technicality of whose impact area they are in does have a major impact on what
development is available. It seems to me if Eagle would resist changing their
impact area that that would be a long drawn out process and even though one
Councilman is in favor of you being part of Meridian that sounds like that may be
more problem than it is worth. So, I guess what I am left with is a question that I
would ask of Mr. Nary and that is a clarification if the Aldape's and the group
around them chose to annex into Meridian, can they apply for annexation and be
accepted not being in our impact area? Is that a possibility?
Nary: Mr. President, Members of the Council, Councilman Zaremba state law
does allow consensual annexation if the property is contiguous or adjacent to city
boundaries. The fact that it is not within the area of impact is a different issue. It
is certainly a worthy discussion, whether it is with the county or the City of Eagle,
but there is no legal reason that annexation couldn't occur if requested and I
think that part of the discussion, I think that Ms. Ewing is sort of seeking Council's
guidance tonight as to whether that is something that they as a Council as a
whole would consider at some point. And again not to put words into Ms.
Ewing's mouth, but I have had a lot of conversations on this project as well. But,
I think that is kind of what we are looking at, but there is no legal impediment to
doing that, if it is a consensual request.
De Weerd: Councilman Borton. Mr. President.
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Borton: Madame Mayor.
De Weerd: Just a couple of comments. In answer to Councilman Zaremba's
question, the City of Meridian has not been in the practice of annexing, number
one outside of our area of impact and number two in someone else's area of
impact and the Tree Farm was outside our area of impact, but we had them all of
the elements of a comprehensive plan and had done the due diligence that we
felt comfortable to proceed in that direction. The Adalpe piece came in during
that process and we felt it was too far along, we had forged a plan and the
agreements in advance that it seemed too late to include that and maybe with
hindsight it probably should have had different attention. I don't know. But, so
historically number one we have never proceeded in this manner. It is allowed
by law. It has been done in other places. It just hasn't been done by Meridian
and so that is one of the hesitancies, but I guess at this point when you have
property that has never desired to be in an area of impact, who has had a
historical tie to a different community, it has a tie through taxing districts to that
same community and whose access is through that community. It seems that it
has some logic to be in there. I would recommend now with costs in hand and
Brad do I understand that the cost of what we can do to provide service to what
Eagle Sewer District has said is between three and five times greater than the
cost of our service?
Watson: Mr. President, Madame Mayor, Council Members I have a little bit of an
apples and oranges thing going on here based on my conversation with Lynn this
afternoon and I apologize for — I don't think I misspoke. Our costs are simply
what we would increase our existing infrastructure to be to accommodate this. It
has nothing to do with the cost down below the rim. It looks like from this
presentation that the Eagle Sewer District did that they are including in that
roughly $3 million some of the costs over the hill to serve these properties. I
don't know how to delineate that — how much of that $3 million is onsite
improvements. I don't even want to speak to it because I didn't work on this
study and I haven't discussed it enough with Mr. Moser. It is more. It looks like it
is more by any stretch of the imagination any way that you look at it.
De Weerd: Mr. President just a follow up.
Borton: Madame Mayor
De Weerd: Then with that and since the direction in August was to find out some
of the associated costs, see if a timeline could be established to get back to
those property owners that now maybe is the time for the Council President and I
to meet with Eagle's Mayor and Council President to have a discussion on this
and I know in our regards we need to know how to plan our services. The time is
now for us and I am sure for Eagle if there is any movement with Eagle Island
State Park and they need to determine sizes of their system to accommodate
over 1,000 acres they would need that information too. However, the legislature
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has not designated any funding for the State Park and unless Eagle was going to
purchase that and I haven't heard that either, I don't think sewer to even the
State Park is in the near future, but we need to have those discussions and we
need to get back to you in a timely fashion. If the Council would support that
approach so that we can follow up on a discussion that this body had in August, I
would certainly be willing to see that that meeting is scheduled and staffs are
involved and we have that dialogue.
Borton: Madame Mayor before I comment, I think Pete that you raised your
hand. I don't know if you wanted to throw something in after Brad.
Friedman: Thank you Mr. President, Madame Mayor, and Council Members
just wanted to let you know that I was prepared to address any of the procedural
issues with the possible area of impact expansion and how it relates to
annexation in our comprehensive plan if you wanted to go there. Otherwise, if
we take the lead from the Council President and the Mayor, we would be happy
to meet with the City of Eagle and then come back and report everything back to
the full Council. We would be happy to do that also.
Borton: Can you give us a snapshot or timeframe if we wanted to go forward
with an area of impact boundary amendment — expense?
Friedman: Yes Mr. President, Madame Mayor, Council Members it would require
similar to the Eagle process that Mrs. Ewing was informed of this morning. It
would be an amendment to our comprehensive plan land use map and
potentially our comprehensive plan. The land use map deadlines, the most
recent one just passed which was December 15th; the next one is June 15th. So,
that would be the earliest time that we could consider another map amendment.
She would have to make an application, similar to anyone else. We would take it
through Planning and Zoning and then bring it to you with a recommendation. At
that point, if the determination was made by the Council to add this area to our
area of impact then we would approach Ada County for an area of impact
expansion request and as we know I can't begin to give you the timeline
associated with that.
Bird: Mr. President.
Borton: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I agree with the Mayor that it probably wouldn't hurt for the President and
the Mayor meet with Eagle's people, but as I see it these landowners want to be
in Meridian impact area and Mayor is 100 percent right we have never went
outside of our impact area, but we have lost millions and millions of tax dollars
because of the city to the east coming into our impact area and taking it in the
early 1990's. So, I have no problem with that. Whatever the taxpayers,
whichever one they want to be associated with I am for — whatever it takes to get
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it done, let's get it done and
from now.
Rountree: Mr. President.
Borton: Mr. Rountree.
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let's not dink around and be talking about five years
Rountree: A couple of comments. One, I think the Ewing and Aldape family
have done a great amount of work in compiling their efforts to not be part of
Eagle and I think the record is very clear with that and I congratulate Sherrie on
being able to pull all of this together and do all of the meetings and get us all that
information. I concur with what the Mayor said. I think that it is something that
we need to take the next step with Eagle, but I would say that it appears that
through Sherrie's efforts that she has (inaudible) the owners in this particular
piece of the world out there and they do desire something and I think we owe
them at least an opportunity to explore that something. So, I think we need to go
talk to Eagle and see what it is going to be like and whether Eagle at that point
gets the idea that they need to move forward and maintain this property in their
impact area or if we then suggest come to Meridian with an annexation request.
But, I think you have done a great job of pulling all of this together and keeping
your patience.
Ewing: I haven't done that too well.
De Weerd: Yes, you have.
Borton: You have and I echo Councilman Rountree's comments to you and your
family putting all this together. It is frustrating. I know you always just wanted an
answer and getting an answer from local government is not always the easiest
thing is my understanding. My comments along with Councilman Bird are with
the situation where we have got a property where the property owners want to
join the City of Meridian and provided us a list of information which supports that
rationale. You have got some cost and service issues which indicate Meridian to
be the best place to go and then a more philosophical sense for me is what is
best for the region and the community, whether or not it goes in one city or not,
really what makes sense for the area as a whole and I have had conversations
about how topography falls within those concerns and to me the vast majority,
almost all of the indicators that I look to support, I being within the City of
Meridian while I agree with the Mayor and would be more than happy to meet
with Mayor Merrill and their Council President, I wouldn't want there to be any
delay in your actions and I support going forward at the very least with the area
of impact amendment process, just for the fear that if we meet and set up a
meeting to meet then we might meet about a meeting and then meet to prepare a
meeting to talk about a meeting and then it is going to be October and you are
going to be asking for our direction and I think you deserve more than that.
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Ewing: An area of impact request through Meridian or through Eagle? What are
you talking about?
Rountree: Through Meridian.
(Inaudible discussion)
Borton: -- meet and discuss the rationale, which clearly supports your request.
My guess is what we are going to have is an agreement to disagree and that
happens. I don't anticipate Eagle saying oh, now I get it; okay, we understand
and we relinquish this portion of our area of impact. We might agree to disagree
and that let's go forward that way, but I do respect the planning process that
goes with the area of impact establishment and then the comprehensive plan
work that goes into that. Like the Council Members here and before us are
equally reluctant to annex outside the area of impact. I think good planning
requires us to go the other route or at least to give it a chance. I just hope you go
forward at least from my perspective on the June 15th schedule and we will meet
and report back what we find out.
Bird: Mr. President.
Borton: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I would echo that, too, Sherrie. I hope you go forward and I don't like going
out of our impact area either. I would like that to be on record, but when the
citizens in that impact area want to be in Meridian then I am for it. That is what
government is for — for the people. Sometimes we think the people serve the
government, but it isn't what it was designed for.
Ewing: Thank you.
Borton: Pete did you have one thing to add?
Friedman: Yes, Mr. President, Madame Mayor, Council Members I actually —
just so it is understood that the actual application that Mrs. Ewing would be
putting forward to the city would be actually for a comprehensive plan
amendment and as part of that comprehensive plan amendment, then if it is the
Council's desire to pursue an area of impact expansion then of course we would
follow that. But, I think that we need to set up a meeting with Mrs. Ewing and go
over some of our requirements and fees and timing and that sort of thing and we
are happy to do that with you whenever you are available.
Ewing: Okay, thank you.
De Weerd: Mr. President.
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Borton: Madame Mayor.
De Weerd: I guess that said by Pete you might look at what different options
they would have and to move forward with the kind of detail that Council would
like to have.
Friedman: Mr. President, Council Members we will look at that and we have got
a couple of other options we have been kicking about that we will bring back to
you also, possibly in preparation for a meeting you might have with the City of
Eagle.
Borton: That would be great. Thanks, Pete.
De Weerd: Mr. President.
Borton: Madame Mayor.
De Weerd: I guess one final thought is I saw in your letter that you had talked to
the county and what doesn't make sense is to have a planned community sitting
between two cities on an independent sewer system and that certainly is what we
don't want to see happen.
Borton: Thank you, Sherrie. I appreciate you coming in.
Item 4. Split Corridor Status Update and Discussion:
Borton: I think Pete is going to lead us off. We all have an updated map of
phase one in front of us.
Friedman: Thank you Mr. President, Madame Mayor, Members of the Council I
have invited representatives from the Highway District here tonight to give you
sort of a status update as to where the district is on the design plans for the split
corridor, particularly phase one and then possibly kind of an overview of the
whole project. There has been some other interesting turns of event that came
to light, I believe, at the joint meeting that Council and Mayor had with the District
here a couple of weeks ago and I thought the time was right just to let the
Council know where the District is at. So, tonight we have invited Justin Bledsoe,
who is Project Manager here and I think he will handle it. Sabrina Bowman is
also here from the District and Gary Inselman is here. I don't know if Gary is
here for specifically this project or some others, but I think Justin is going to be
taking the lead on this one.
Bledsoe: Mr. President, Madame Mayor, and Council Members we are in the
design process for the phase one split corridor. As he said my name is Justin
Bledsoe and have been assigned as the Project Manager. Six Mile Engineering
is designing the project for us right now. We are scheduled to be complete in
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design around July, end of July. We are about 50 percent design at this time.
You should have a map of — this was the concept that was presented to us
through Six Mile. This is what have progressed to at this point, which we in the
last six months we got traffic counts; we have gone off the (inaudible) study.
Almost everything you see here is based off of that study except for the
extension portion beyond Franklin which goes up to Idaho. The reason this
portion was added into the project had to do with the traffic volumes of Franklin
and Main. As you know right now there are two lanes that go through the
Franklin intersection, but the right lane ends rather abruptly and the traffic studies
indicate that only six percent of the through lane that travels north use that lane
and once the phase one was done, the intersection would be over capacity. So,
we tried to look at what options we had to make the Franklin, Main intersection
function until phase two was built. The portion north of Franklin is just striping
and signing of projects and is temporary until phase two happens or until the Ten
Mile Interchange is constructed in the Ten Mile project, which is off the
COMPASS models bases that traffic volume should drop in this area. We can go
back out to the intersection, redo some traffic counts and determine whether the
intersection would function without the two northbound lanes. We are currently
working with a developer off of Waltman for participation in this project. The
project currently is scheduled for construction in 2009. What they would like is a
project be constructed and opened by October 2008. We are working on an
agreement with them and going through construction analysis to see if that would
work. We think it will work and we are working to make that happen. Phase two
and our five year work program, Plan B, which is not adopted by a Commission
yet. We have moved the phase two portion up from PD of construction to 2012
and then moved professional service up to 2008, 2009. The Highway District
would like to get this design underway for phase two so that those developments
that are coming in and off of Meridian Road we would have a better idea of what
we would need for right-of-way and looking at possibilities of — getting design
done would only allow us more information to lead up to the construction. So, it
is kind of an overview of where we are at for the project. I thought that if there is
any questions that I can try to answer those.
Borton: Thank you, Justin. Council any questions?
De Weerd: Mr. President.
Borton: Madame Mayor.
De Weerd: Only what can we do to help that private partnership along?
Bledsoe: Right now it is just a race — it is just racing time. We believe the
October of 2008 is doable. We are working on the agreement. It is just a matter
of getting through the design. There is minimal right-of-way for phase one, so we
don't expect too many delays there and we think it will work and we are working
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to make that happen. At this time I don't see anything that the City of Meridian
could do to progress that.
Borton: I think Mr. Wardle with MDC has some updates which can answer some
of the question. If you want to come forward with regards to any ability to speed
up the public private partnership.
Wardle: Thank you Mr. President, Madame Mayor and Members of the Council.
Shaun Wardle, for the record I am the Administrator for the Meridian
Development Corporation and would like to thank Justin for his presentation and
also to thank staff Pete as well as Matt for working hard on this project. In terms
of moving this project up an entire year, ACHD has been working diligently at the
staff level to come to an agreement with the developer who has a 38 acre
project, which is currently in your planning process. One of the things that will
happen there is potentially some partnership and the Meridian Development
Corporation is looking at the ability to enter into the partnership in terms of some
landscaping arrangements, which are not programmed in the current
construction budget. These are very preliminary discussions and I hope to
generate some additional discussions with both ACHD and staff and bring that
back both to the Meridian Development Corporation Board and to the City
Council at such a time. I can tell you right now that none of those discussions
are holding up any of the process and that ACHD is doing the best job that it can
to find out if it is even feasible to meet that fall 2008 deadline. But there will be
some additional discussions in terms of landscaping — some of the discussions
that we have had in the past in terms of a partnership — I do not have dollar
figures to bring forward today, but we will have those in the future. I will stand for
any questions. I may make one additional statement on phase two. The MDC is
obviously interested in moving up phase two — ACHD has moved that almost an
entire year in its design phase and so one of the things that the Development
Corporation is very interested in doing is making sure that it stays in that design
phase and is trying to find a way through partnership or potential funding to make
that not only stay, but potentially move up a little bit in the process.
Zaremba: Mr. President.
Borton: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: Mr. Wardle in a joint meeting of the City Council and ACHD
Commission, you expressed concern about the portion north of Franklin during
the transition between phase one being completed before phase two was being
done. They were going to do some further study and I believe you were going to
be involved in that. Is what we are being shown here an improvement over what
was alarming you before?
Wardle: Mr. President, Councilman Zaremba the initial discussions that we had
at the Highway District joint meeting — this is the follow up meeting to that — to
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find out what the Council's real feel is. I can tell you that the Meridian
Development Corporation Board at its January meeting wanted an update and
had some specific concerns over the walk -ability of downtown. The downtown
Meridian transportation study and the resulting plan, which was the split corridor
that has now been split into two phases was designed to sustain the walk -ability
of Main Street. If you remember the plan that is essentially why the transition
happens at Ada Street and continues a five lane traffic on Meridian Road so that
Main Street remains pedestrian walk -able. The concern I believe that I have
heard expressed from the Council and from the Corporation Board is -- there the
ability transition that traffic, that two lanes of northbound traffic -- is there the
ability to transition that before it enters the railroad tracks area? Which is
essentially the downtown cores — the ability to move the center lane of traffic
back to a turn lane at Bauer or at Ada, which would traditionally be that split
corridor crossover. I don't believe that they have run any models because none
of the elected bodies have really asked that question. So, I believe that ACHD is
asking for your input on that specifically.
Bledsoe: Mr. President, Madame Mayor and Council Members, we did briefly
take a look at that chose not to for a few reasons. One has to do with traffic
patterns, typically in Idaho — when people know a lane drops that they tend to
shift to the other lane, which is the whole reason of extending it. So, we wanted
to get as far an extension as we could to allow traffic to taper off at the different
roads. Idaho was picked as the conclusion point for a few reasons. One it has a
signal that the left lanes could be trapped and then continue on and then also
has the signal on Meridian so if people wanted to come back on Meridian or
cross Meridian, they come into two signaled intersection. The third reason would
be because Idaho is classified as a collector where Bauer would be a residential
street.
De Weerd: That is Pine Street, right?
Bledsoe: Pine, yes. I am sorry. One of the reasons we looked at whether we
could drop it earlier and we felt to make the Franklin intersection function until
phase two that this would be the best option. That is how we came to the
conclusion of where we are at.
Borton: Thanks, Justin.
Canning: Mr. President.
Borton: Anna.
Canning: May I comment on that a bit?
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Canning: Mr. President, Madame Mayor and Members of the Council having sat
through the steering committee for that downtown transportation management
plan and reviewed all those criteria and reviewed how each plan met those
criteria, I really believe that this change is fundamentally in conflict with the
downtown Meridian transportation plan — that pedestrian walk -ability was the
basis of the plan and this negates that. Now, I know they say it is temporary, but
we really considered those phase one verses phase two improvements to make
sure that we weren't possibly getting ourselves into a situation where phase two
never happened and then we are left with a non -workable solution for making
downtown a pedestrian oriented area. Now, I know there are issues with
Franklin failing, but it seems to me you are being asked make downtown fail in
order to let Franklin Road intersection survive and I just wanted to reemphasize
the importance of that decision. I think it's a key change to this plan.
Borton: Yes, Justin.
Bledsoe: Mr. President, Madame Mayor and Council Members. I understand the
concern of the pedestrians. One thing I would first emphasize is that this is just a
temporary measure, but in no way is phase two looked at going away or if
anything we are working on moving it up and progressing it. Just to give you an
idea of what the two lane (inaudible) means for the Franklin intersection. It is
estimated to reduce the amount of waiting time for a vehicle by 50 percent. So, it
is a substantial increase in the capacity of the intersection. As for pedestrian
use, I wouldn't say it was changing anything pedestrian (inaudible) — when we
look at a roadway, you really have a three lane roadway now. Just that one of
them was used as a center turn lane. All we are doing is changing the center
turn lane into a travel lane. Center turn lanes are not used as for pedestrians.
We wouldn't be removing any sidewalks and then when phase two comes, we
would chip it back, if not before that if the traffic shows that we can make the
intersection function at capacity.
Borton: Council, any questions, comments or concerns?
De Weerd: Mr. President.
Borton: Madame Mayor.
De Weerd: I guess it does raise the question — in phase two then is Main Street
to remain a three lane with the center as a turn lane?
Bledsoe: Correct. If you look on the third diagram, it is the one that was
prepared earlier that Main Street doesn't change at all until you come down to
where you have — where it splits over. That Main Street will stay the same Main
Street it is now, it is the Meridian Road which would go from a two lane to a five
lane section. It doesn't show anything further — there is no plans to change Main
Street. At that point we would just be re -striping the way it was before.
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Borton: Thank you Justin. Any other questions or comments?
De Weerd: Mr. President.
Borton: Madame Mayor.
De Weerd: I see we have a transportation task force member here. Did he have
any questions? No, okay. Nice to see you by the way.
Borton: Well, we appreciate the hard work and in particular the cooperation with
ACHD —
(Tape turned over)
Borton: -- MDC and (inaudible) developers in trying to move this process
forward. We have heard very recently lots of the challenges that ACHD is faced
with financially, with its impact fee collection and projects are getting whittled
down even more and more. So, the efforts that these different bodies are taking
are greatly appreciated. I am sensitive and share some of the concerns that
Anna has with regards to making sure downtown remains pedestrian friendly at
least during the transition. I think that if we all keep that in the forefront of our
attention when we have these meetings and updates and discussions and
remind each other in the various bodies involved that that is a paramount
concern for the City of Meridian and we could envision what the final build out of
downtown is and want to make sure that we preserve that pedestrian friendly
atmosphere along Main Street. But I think today that is being maintained and
that concern is certainly shared by everybody.
De Weerd: Mr. President.
Borton: Madame Mayor.
De Weerd: I guess one last question. You are moving the light from Idaho to
Broadway? All I would ask is as we work on the re -development plans that those
lights are a little bit more friendly to pedestrians, which might have a certain at
least offset if those two lanes are going north and that with the re -development
on Broadway on both sides of the street, I think that the moving of that light on
Idaho to the south to Broadway makes that more important and that the lights are
a little bit more responsive when a pedestrian wants across or however the
timing works on that because I will tell you what as you are standing there as a
pedestrian trying to cross the street, it seems like forever to have that light turn.
So, again, if the goal — you know it is a give and take and if we can figure out
maybe some ways to move pedestrians across the street that would be a great
help as well.
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Zaremba: Mr. President.
Borton: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: Madame Mayor a comment on that. Since I have designed some
transportation systems in San Francisco. I will comment on how they give
preference to pedestrians. Their signalization is set so that the walk signal for
the pedestrians is three seconds ahead of the green for automobiles and other
vehicles, which gives the pedestrians possession of the crosswalks long before
anybody can move the vehicle into them and I don't know whether that would
work well here or not, but it certainly favors the pedestrians in San Francisco.
Borton: To the extent that I (inaudible) at a law firm at the corner of Idaho and
Main where that traffic light makes you wait and stare at the sign of our business,
it is okay. I don't mind any pedestrian that loiters on that corner and looks up and
might come on in and visit.
De Weerd: We are not looking up; I can tell you that unless it is in prayer.
Borton: Mr. Wardle.
Wardle: Mr. President, if I can just get a clarification on the pedestrian traffic
downtown. I know currently that pedestrians — that you know traffic is typically
stopped and the pedestrians can gain access simply by walking across the street
through cross traffic. Hopefully the transportation model will move a little more
traffic and the one question I had for Justin is I know that the light relocation is to
Broadway, but is there going to remain a pedestrian crossing at Idaho? Is that in
the plan or is it considered?
Bledsoe: Mr. President, Madame Mayor and Council Members what we have
agreed to at this time in our traffic department is doing a signal warrant for both
of those locations to determine whether, one there should be a light added and
two, if the light should be removed and until those signal warrants are completed,
I can't comment on what would happen. They would definitely take into account
pedestrian movements across the streets.
De Weerd: Mr. President. Justin with that, taking into account the developments
on both sides of Broadway that will increase the pedestrian traffic.
Bledsoe: I couldn't fully count — say what our traffic department looks at in their
signal warrants, but I am sure they look at the surrounding areas and the need —
I do know that they are currently doing traffic warrant analysis to determine if to
add a signal and if to remove a signal.
De Weerd: So, now I just have to go one block down to the cross the streets, so
I am counted at the right intersection, huh?
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Bledsoe: When you see those things across the road, just drive across them a
few extra times. Move the numbers up.
Bird: Well, we don't have an ordinance against jaywalking —
Borton: Thank you Justin, we appreciate it. If there is no other questions or
comments that brings us to the end of our Pre -Council agenda.
Bird: Mr. President.
Borton: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I move we adjourn the Pre -Council.
Zaremba: Second.
Borton: It has been moved and seconded to adjourn. All those in favor say aye.
ALL AYES. MOTION CARRIED.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 6:55 P.M.
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January 7, 2007
Mayor de Weerd
Meridian City Council
33 East Idaho Avenue
Meridian, ID 83642
Dear Members,
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January 23 — 6:00pm — Pre -City Council Meeting
SAN -- 0 2007
City of Meridian
City Clerk Off irc
Re: Properties — located between Linder and Black Cat, north of the Phyllis Canal to the Boise
River request permission to apply for a change of impact area or annexation.
The decision to be included into the City of Meridian's impact area was verbalized at the North
Meridian Area Open House in May of 2005 to both Meridian's and Eagle's Planning Department
Managers. Since then, we have scheduled additional meetings with both cities, Ada County
Developmental Services, Eagle and Star's Waste Water Departments and the City of Star. We
have publicly testified on numerous occasions before all of the entities, except Star.
This letter is to notify you of the reasons we would like to be included in the City of Meridian
impact area:
1. Our schools, mailing addresses, phone numbers, fire/police protection, library district, etc.
have been in Meridian for at least 95 years.
2. The main access to this area will be to the south through what is currently called Basco
Lane. This road leads directly through the City of Meridian's annexed property.
3. All of the services including fire protection and police are currently being provided through
the city of Meridian. The Aldape property is located only five miles from the Meridian
Fire Department, whereas Eagle and Star are significantly farther, plus they have to cross
the Boise River. When my parents called 911 in need of an ambulance, the Meridian Fire
Department was the first response team to arrive.
4. Five generations of "Aldape's" are attending, or have graduated from Meridian schools.
5. There are 1011 acres in this area and we have letters indicating that the property owners of
966 acres who want to be in the City of Meridian's impact area rather than Eagle's. The
additional 45 acres are folks whose children work for the City of Eagle or who want to
preserve their duck blind forever and don't want to be in any impact area.
6. Ada County has listened to our impact concerns and has recommended that we consider a
planned community and develop our own sewer system through the county.
7. Sewer Services:
a. Eagle sewer is located at Linder and Highway 44, must cross two channels of the
river and a lift station would have to be built, Cost is approximately five times
what is estimated from Meridian, plus there are no plans to expand toward our area.
There is no developable land along Linder which would ever allow us to be
contiguous with the Eagle city limits— thus we could not obtain sewer services.
b. Star sewer is located on the north side of the Boise River, so again it would take
crossing the Boise River and coming approximately three miles up the river. The
cost is approximately six times Meridian's estimate. The City of Star is currently
working with a developer to expand their sewer to the south side of the river. The
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issue is the proposed Ijighway 16 will intersect between the development and the
Aldape property.
c. Within the next couple of years, Meridian sewer will be servicing The Tree Farm
which is contiguous with Aldape Properties and we understand that capacity has
been planned for our area.
Our vision is to develop the land into a mixed density, residential development with ponds, similar
to other river side developments. This would also be an ideal setting for a public park along the
Boise River.
If you have any questions and would like to discuss this matter with us, please feel free to call
Sherrie at 888-7700.
Sincerely,
Peggy Everist
Sherrie Ewing
(Daughters of Elias and Margaret Aldape)
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