HomeMy WebLinkAbout2006-07-10 JointMERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL AND
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT COMMISSIONERS AND
MERIDIAN DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
SPECIAL JOINT MEETING /WORKSHOP
AGENDA
Monday, July 10, 2006
at 12:00 Noon
ACHD Auditorium, 3775 Adams Street, Garden City, Idaho
City of Meridian:
Shaun Wardle
Charlie Rountree
Joe Borton
Keith Bird
Mayor Tammy de Weerd
ACRD:
Carol McKee Rebecca Arnold
Sherry Huber David Bivens
President John Franden
MDC:
Clarence Jones Keith Bird
Jonathan Cecil Erik Oaas
Ron Anderson ~_ Shaun Wardle
Chairman Craig Slocum
I Update on Split Corridor ACHD-Levihn
-Timing with Ten Mile Interchange
II Status .Report on Locust Grove Project ACHD-Mills
- Stormwater Pond Site
III Waltman Emergency Access Easement Meridian
IV Update on Signal Tinning Plan ACHD-Little
- Interim Signals
V Update on CIP Process ACHD-Inselman
VI "Lets Talk Traffic" Meridian-Mayor
VII Downtown Streetscape Plan MDC
Meridian City Council Special Joint Meeting with ACHD Commissioners &MDC -July 10, 2006 Page 1 of 1
All materials presented at public meetings shall become the property of the City of Meridian and ACHD.
Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents and / or hearings,
please contact the Administrafive Office of ACHD at 387-6100 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting.
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CITY OF MERIDIAN
MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL AND
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT COMMISSIONERS AND
MERIDIAN DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
SPECIAL JOINT MEETING /WORKSHOP
AGENDA
Monday, July 10, 2006
at 12:00 Noon
ACHD Auditorium, 3775 Adams Street, Garden City, Idaho
City of Meridian:
Shaun Wardle
~C_ Charlie Rountree
~C_ Joe Borton
_~ Keith Bird
Mayor Tammy de Weerd
ACHD:
Carol McKee
~~ Sherry Huber
MDC:
Rebecca Arnold
David Bivens
_~ President John Franden
Clarence Jones _ C~ Keith Bird
Jonathan Cecil Erik Oaas
Ron Anderson ~ Shaun Wardle
~_ Chairman Craig Slocum
I Update on Split Corridor ACHD-Levihn
-Timing with Ten Mile Interchange C.,-~.~~.~,~fit~-~., Z„on8
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II Status Report on Locust Grove Project ACHD-Mills
- Stormwater Pond Site
III Waltman Em,,,e~~rg`ency Access Easement Meridian
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IV Update on Signal Timing Plan ACHD-Little
- Interim Signals
V Update on CIP Process ACHD-Inselman
VI "Lets Talk Traffic" Meridian-Mayor
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VII Downtown Streetscape Plan MDC
Meridian City Council Special Joint Meeting with ACHD Commissioners &MDC -July 10, 2006 Page 1 of 1
All materials presented at public meetings shall become the property of the City of Meridian and ACHD.
Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents and / or hearings,
please contact the Administrative Office of ACHD at 387-6100 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting.
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AGENDA
JOINT MEETING -CITY OF MERIDIAN/ACRD COMMISSION
& MERIDIAN DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
July 10, 2006
12:00 p.m.
ACHD Auditorium
3775 Adams Street, Garden City, Idaho
I Update on Split Corridor
a. Timing with Ten Mile Interchange
II Status Report on Locust Grove Project
a. Stormwater Pond Site
III Waltman Emergency Access Easement
IV Update on Signal Timing Plan
a. Interim signals
V Update on CIP Process
VI `Let's Talk Traffic'
VII Downtown Streetscape
ACHD (Levihn)/Meridian
ACHD (Mills)/Meridian
Meridian
ACHD (little)
ACHD (Inselman)
Mayor de Weerd
Meridian Development Corp.
(Introduction by Councilman Wardle)
Meridian School Speed Zone Flashing Lights
School Crossing Location Cross Street
Chief Joseph Elementary Chateau Dr. Jericho
Discovery Elementary Locust Grove Rd. Leighfield to School Property
Linder Elementary Monaco Way Linder
Meridian Elementary Meridian Rd. Carlton to Pine
Meridian Elementary Pine Ave. Meridian to W. 2na
Meridian High School Linder Rd. Pine to Washington
Meridian High School Pine Ave. Linder to Rotan
1Vleridian Middle School W. ~a' St. South of Cherry
Mountain View H.S. .Locust Grove Rd. Mastiff
Peregrine Elementary Linder Rd. Greenhead to Waltman
Sawtooth Middle School Linder Rd. Stone Valley
LETS TALK
TRAFFIC
CITY OF MERIC~IAN ~i~~`(~)
INCREASE COMM~.INICyA'T~l(:)N
ABUU~T TRAFFIC:' ~t 1t(;).A~~~~
IMNR()VEMEN'T PItCIJIC'Y15~+
Meridian has traffic on its mind! Everyone is interested in traffic and what's
being done to ease navigation and relieve congestion.
In response to growing concerns, Meridian is committed to working with other
local transportation and planning agencies to keep you apprised on upcoming
road improvement projects and provide you with strategies for navigating
Meridian more successfully.
While we work hard with ACHD and ITD planning for Meridian's growth, it is
hard to plan for the entire region's growth. Because of our central location in
the valley, Meridian's roads are greatly impacted by the cross traffic of the
entire Treasure Valley.
Printed materials, news articles, and a series of open houses on the topic of
traffic and roads will be part of this pro-active new communication effort.
If you would like to be notified about this and other news and information
about Meridian, please a-mail your contact information to:
houstonsC~meridiancity.org
READ THE CITY OF MERIDIAN'S NEW
ONLINE COMMUNITY NEWSLETTER!
www.meridiancity.org/newsletter
** TX CON~TION REPORT ** AS OF JUL 07 '0~~03 PRGE.01
CITY OF MERIDIAN
DRTE TIME TO/FROM MODE M1N/SEC PGS CMD# STRTUS
01 07/07 15 47 P-RND-Z EC--S 00'23" 001 098 OK
02 07/07 15 48 FIRE DEPT EC--S 00'21" 001 098 OK
03 07/07 15 49 208 888 2682 EC--S 00'23" 001 098 OK
04 07/07 15 50 208 387 6393 EC--S 00'22" 001 098 OK
05 07/07 15 52 LAKEVIEW GOLFCOU G3--S 00'40" 001 098 OK
06 07/07 15 53 POST OFFICE EC--S 00'33" 001 098 OK
07 07/07 15 54 IDAHO ATHLETIC C EC--S 00'23" 001 098 OK
08 07/07 15 55 ID PRESS TRIBUNE EC--S 00'22" 001 098 OK
09 07/07 15 56 2088886701 EC--S 00'23" 001 098 OK
13 0?/07 16 01 ADA CTY DEVELMT EC--S 00'22" 001 098 OK
15 07/07 16 03 2088885052 EC--S 00'22" 001 098 OK
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CITY OF MERIDIAN
MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL AND
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT COMMISSIONERS AND
MERIDIAN DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
SPECIAL JOINT MEETING 1 WORKSHOP
AGENDA
Monday, July 10, 2006
at 12:00 Noon
ACRD Auditorium, 3775 Adams Street, Garden City, Idaho
City of Meridian:
Shaun Wardle
Charlie Rountree
ACHD:
Carol McKee
Sherry Huber
MDC:
Joe Gorton
Keith Bird
Mayor Tammy de Weerd
Rebecca Amold
David Bivens
President John Franden
Clarence Jones Keith Bird
Jonathan Cecil Erik Oaas
Ron Anderson Shaun Wardle
Chairman Craig Slocum
I Update on Split Corridor ACHD-Levihn
-Timing with Ten Mile Interchange
II Status Report on Locust Grove Project ACHD-Mills
- Stormwater Pond Site
III Waltman Emergency Access Easement Meridian
IV Update on Signal Timing Plan ACHD-Little
-Interim Signals
V Update on CIP Process ACHD-lnselman
VI "Lets Talk Traffic' Meridian-Mayor
VII Downtown Streetscape Plan MDC
Meridian City Council Special Joint Meeting with ACHD Commissioners & MOC - July T 0, 2006 Page 7 of 7
All materials presented et public meetings shall become the property of the Cify of Meridian and ACHD.
Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related fo documerns and / or hearings,
please contact the Administrative ONlce of ACHD at 3B7-6100 of least 48 hours prior to the public meeting.
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CITY OF MERIDIAN
MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL AND
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT COMMISSIONERS AND
MERIDIAN DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
SPECIAL JOINT MEETING /WORKSHOP
AGENDA
Monday, July 10, 2006
at 12:00 Noon
ACHD Auditorium, 3775 Adams Street, Garden City, Idaho
City of Meridian:
Shaun Wardle
Charlie Rountree
ACHD:
MDC:
I I
III
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Joe Borton
Keith Bird
Mayor Tammy de Weerd
Carol McKee Rebecca Arnold
Sherry Huber David Bivens
President John Franden
Clarence Jones Keith Bird
Jonathan Cecil Erik Oaas
Ron Anderson Shaun Wardle
Chairman Craig Slocum
Update on Split Corridor ACHD-Levihn
-Timing with Ten Mile Interchange
Status Report on Locust Grove Project
- Stormwater Pond Site
Waltman Emergency Access Easement
Update on Signal Timing Plan
- Interim Signals
Update on CIP Process
"Lets Talk Traffic"
ACHD-Mills
Meridian
ACHD-Little
ACHD-Inselman
Meridian-Mayor
VII Downtown Streetscape Plan MDC
Meridian City Council Special Joint Meeting with ACHD Commissioners &MDC -July 10, 2006 Page 1 of 1
All materials presented at public meetings shall become the property of the City of Meridian and ACHD.
Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents and / or hearings,
please contact the Administrative Office of ACHD at 387-6100 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting.
** TX CONF~ION REPORT **
DATE TIME TO/FROM
23 07/07 15 36 3810160
24 07/07 15 39 PUBLIC WORKS
25 07/07 15 40 8848723
26 07/07 15 41 WATER DEPT
27 07/07 15 42 2088840744
28 07/07 15 43 POLICE DEPT
29 07/07 15 44 8985501
30 07/07 15 45 LIBRARY
31 07/07 15 46 2083776449
32 07/07 15 46 3886924
AS OF JUL 07 '0~~47 PAGE.01
CITY OF MERIDIAN
MODE MIN/SEC PGS
EC--S 00'33" 001
EC--S 00'22" 001
EC--S 00'22" 001
EC--S 00'23" 001
EC--S 00'23" 001
EC--S 00'23" 001
EC--S 00'23" 001
EC--S 00'22" 001
EC--S 00'22" 001
EC--S 00'23" 001
CMD# STATUS
098 OK
098 OK
098 OK
098 OK
098 OK
098 OK
098 OK
098 OK
098 OK
098 OK
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CITY OF MERIDIAN
MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL AND
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY bISTRICT COMMISSIONERS AND
MERIDIAN DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
SPECIAL JOINT MEETING !WORKSHOP
AGENDA
Monday, July 10, 2006
at 12:00 Noon
ACHD Auditorium, 3775 Adams Street, Garden City, Idaho
City of Meridian:
Shaun Wardle Joe Borton
Charlie Rountree Keith Bird
Mayor Tammy de Weerd
ACRD:
MDC:
Carol McKee Rebecca Amold
Sherry Huber David Bivens
President John Franden
Clarence Jones Keith Bird
Jonathan Cecil Erik Oaas
Ron Anderson Shaun Wardle
Chairman Craig Slocum
I Update on Split Corridor ACHD-Levihn
-Timing with Ten Mile Interchange
II Status Report on Locust Grove Project ACHD-Mills
- Stormwater Pond Site
III Waltman Emergency Access Easement Meridian
IV Update on Signal Timing Plan ACHD-Little
- Interim Signals
V Update on CIP Process ACHD-lnselman
VI "Lets Talk Traffic" Meridian-Mayor
VII Downtown Streetscape Plan MDC
Meridian City Counc/l Special Joint Meeting with ACHD Commissioners & MOC -July f 0, 2006 Page T of 7
Al! materials presented et public meetings shall become the property of the City of Meridian and ACRD.
Anyone desiring aceommodaNon for disabilities related to documents and / or hearings,
please contact the AdminlstreNve Office of ACHD at 367-6100 at feast 48 hours prior to the public meeting.
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MAYOR
Tammy de Weerd
CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS
Keith Bird
Joseph W. Borton
Charles M. Rountree
Shaun Wardle
CITY DEPARTMENTS
City Attorney/HR
703 Main Street
898-5506 (City Attorney)
898-5503 (HR)
Fax 884-8723
Fire
540 E. Franklin Road
888-1234/fax 895-0390
Parks & Recreation
11 W. Bower Street
888-3579/fax 898-5501
Planning
660 E. Watertower Lane
Suite 202
884-5533/fax 888-6844
Police
1401 E. Watertower Lane
888-6678/fax 846-7366
Public Works
660 E. Watertower Lane
Suite 200
898-5500/fax 895-9551
Building
NOTICE OF SPECIAL JOINT WORKSHOP /MEETING
MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT COMMISSIONERS
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MERIDIAN DEVELOPMENT CORPORTATION
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the City Council of the City of
Meridian and the Commissioners of the Ada County Highway District and
the Board Members of the Meridian Development Corporation will
hold a Special Joint Workshop at the Ada County Highway District's
Auditorium, 3775 Adams Street, Garden City, Idaho, on Monday,
July 10, 2006 at 12:00 noon. They will be discussing planning and
service issues and items concerning agencies such as:
Update on Split Corridor-Timing with Ten Mile Interchange
Status Report on Locust Grove Project-Stormwater Pond Site
Waltman Emergency Access Easement
Update on Signal Timing Plan-Interim Signals
Update on C I P Process
"Lets Talk Traffic"
Downtown Streetscape Plan
660 E. Watertower Lane \~\~„II~!I!!!,r;;,, ,+
Suite 150 The public is welcome to attend. ,,~~`' ~ T '°-~,
887-2211 /fax 887-1297 ~~ .~'{ -•-.,~ ~
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Wastewater ~ '~~rj ',
3401 N. Ten Mile Road DATED this 7th da of Jul 2006.
888-2191 /fax 884-0744 y y~ _ _ -
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Water ~~ /~' ~
2235 N.W. 8th Street '~
888-5242 /fax 884-1159 WILLIAM G. BERG, J ~ ~,~ Eller
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Meridian City Council Special Joint Meeting with ACHO Commissioners/~Aj~h1+_ $~~~ t+9~`+1~~~,
All materials presented at public meetings shall become the property of the City of Meridian.
Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents and / or hearings,
please contact the Administration of Ada County Highway District at 387-6100
at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting.
CITY HALL 33 EAST IDAHO AVENUE MERIDIAN, IDAHO 83642 (208) 888-4433
CITY CLERK -FAX 888-4218 FINANCE & UTILITY B[LLWG -FAX 887-4813 MAYOR'S OFFICE -FAX 884-8119
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** TX ~MRTION REPORT >~ RS OF JUL 07 '065 PRGE.01
CITY OF MERIDIRN
DRTE TIME TO/FROM MODE MIN/SEC PGS CMD# STRTUS
04 07/07 13 00 3810160 EC--9 01'10" 002 096 OK
05 07/07 13 02 PUBLIC WORKS EC--S 00'43" 002 096 OK
06 07/07 13 03 8848723 EC--S 00'44" 002 096 OK
07 07/07 13 05 WRTER DEPT EC--S 00'43" 002 096 OK
08 07/07 13 06 2088840744 EC--S 00'45" 002 096 OK
09 07/0? 13 07 POLICE DEPT EC--S 00'44" 002 096 OK
10 07/07 13 08 8985501 EC--S 00'43" 002 096 OK
11 07/07 13 09 LIBRRRY EC--S 00'44" 002 096 OK
12 07/07 13 11 IDRHO STATESMAN EC--S 00'44" 002 096 OK
13 07/07 13 12 3886924 EC--S 00'43" 002 096 OK
14 07/07 13 13 P-RND-2 EC--S 00'43" 002 096 OK
15 07/07 13 15 FIRE DEPT EC--S 00'44" 002 096 OK
16 07/07 13 16 208 888 2682 EC--S 00'45" 002 096 OK
17 07/07 13 17 208 387 6393 EC--S 00'43" 002 096 OK
18 07/07 13 19 RDA CTY DEUELMT EC--S 00'4S" 002 096 OK
19 07/07 13 20 2088885052 EC--S 00'44" 002 096 OK
20 07/07 13 21 LAKEVIEW GOLFCOU G3--S 01'19" 002 096 OK
21 07/07 13 23 ID PRESS TRIBUNE EC--S 00'43" 002 096 OK
22 07/07 13 25 2088886701 EC--S 00'44" 002 096 OK
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CITY DEPARTMPNTS
City Attomey/HR
703 Main Street
898-5506 (City Attorney)
8985503 (I•iR)
Fax as4-s723
Fire
540 G. Franklin Rvad
888-] 234 / fix x95-0390
Park, & Racreativn
11 W. DowerS[reet
8x8.3579/fax A9R-5501
Planning
660 E. Watertower Lane
Suite 2t12
889-5533/fax 885-6894
Pollee
1401 E. Watertower T-ane
888-6678/fax846-7366
Rtblic Works
660 E. Watertower lane
Suite 200
x98-5500/fax 895-9551
- Gttilding
660 E• Watertower Lane
Suite ]50
887-2211/fax 887-1297
- YVa9tewatrr
3401 N.'fen Mile Road
888.219] / fax xx4-0744
- Water
2235 N. W. xth Street
eae-5242 / fax xs4-1159
NOTICE OF SPECIAL JOINT WORKSHOP !MEETING
MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT COMMISSIONERS
MERIDIAN DEVELOPMENT CORPORTATION
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the City Council of the City of
Meridian and the Commissioners of the Ada County Highway District and
the Board Members of the Meridian Development Corporation will
hold a Special Joint Workshop at the Ada County Highway District's
Auditorium, 3775 Adams Street, Garden City, Idaho, on Monday,
July 10, 2006 at 12:00 noon. They will be discussing planning and
service issues and items concerning agencies such as:
^' Update on Split Corridor-Timing wish Ten Mile Irrterchange
^' Status Report on Locust Grove Project-Stomlwater Pond Site
Waltman Emergency Access Easement
Update on Signal Timing Plan-Interim Signals
Updata on CIP Process
"Lets Talk Traffic"
Downtown Streetst~pe Plan
The public is welcome to attend. ~,nulilfny
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DATED this 7th day of July, 2006. / _-`
WILLIAM G. BERG, J ~ E
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Meridian C/ty Council Spedel Jo/nf Meeting wkh ACHD Commissioners -Aj~hH$,apQ~$Irr
Alf materials presented at publk meetings shelf become the property of the C/fy of Meridian.
Anyone desiring accommodeflon for dlseblBtles related to documents end / or hearings,
please coMad the Adminlstration or Ada County Hghtvay L)istrict et 387-8100
at feast 48 hours prbr to the public meeting.
L'ITY HALL 33 EAST' IDAHO AVENUE IVIERIDIAN, IDAHO 83642 (208) 888-4433
Cr1Y CLERK-FAX 888.9218 FINANCEkI1TILCIY Rn.LtNG-FA%Aa%4fit3 MAYOR'S OFFICE-pA%894.8319
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CITY OF MERIDIAN
MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL AND
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT COMMISSIONERS AND
MERIDIAN DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
SPECIAL JOINT MEETING /WORKSHOP
AGENDA
Monday, July 10, 2006
at 12:00 Noon
ACHD Auditorium, 3775 Adams Street, Garden City, Idaho
City of Meridian:
Shaun Wardle
Charlie Rountree
Joe Borton
Keith Bird
Mayor Tammy de Weerd
ACRD:
Carol McKee Rebecca Arnold
Sherry Huber David Bivens
President John Franden
MDC:
Clarence Jones Keith Bird
Jonathan Cecil Erik Oaas
Ron Anderson Shaun Wardle
Chairman Craig Slocum
I Update on Split Corridor ACHD-Levihn
-Timing with Ten Mile Interchange
II Status Report on Locust Grove Project ACHD-Mills
- Stormwater Pond Site
III Waltman Emergency Access Easement Meridian
IV Update on Signal Timing Plan ACHD-Little
- Interim Signals
V Update on CIP Process ACHD-Inselman
VI "Lets Talk Traffic" Meridian-Mayor
VII Downtown Streetscape Plan MDC
Meridian City Council Special Joint Meeting with ACHD Commissioners &MDC -July 10, 2006 Page 1 of 1
All materials presented at public meetings shall become the property of the City of Meridian and ACHD.
Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents and / or hearings,
please contact fhe Administrative Office of ACHD at 387-6100 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting.
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MAYOR NOTICE OF SPECIAL JOINT WORKSHOP /MEETING
Tammy de Weerd
CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL
Keith Bird
Joseph W. Borton ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT COMMISSIONERS
Charles M. Rountree
Shaun Wardle $c
MERIDIAN DEVELOPMENT CORPORTATION
CITY DEPARTMENTS
City Attorney/HR NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the City Council of the City of
703 Main Street
898-5506 (City Attorney)
898-5503 (HR) Meridian and the Commissioners of the Ada County Highway District and
Fax 884-8723
Fire the Board Members of the Meridian Development Corporation will
540 E. Franklin Road
888-1234 /fax 895-0390 hold a Special Joint Workshop at the Ada County Highway District's
Parks & Recreation
11 W. Bower Street Auditorium, 3775 Adams Street, Garden City, Idaho, on Monday,
888-3579/fax 898-5501
Planning July 10, 2006 at 12:00 noon. They will be discussing planning and
660 E. Watertower Lane
Suite 202
884-5533 /fax 888-6844 service issues and items concerning agencies such as:
Police ~ Update on Split Corridor-Timing with Ten Mile Interchange
1401 E. Watertower Lane
888-6678 /fax 846-7366 ^' Status Report on Locust Grove Project-Stormwater Pond Site
Waltman Emergency Access Easement
Public works ~ Update on Signal Timing Plan-Interim Signals
660 E. Watertower Lane
suite 200 ~ Update on CIP Process
898-5500 /fax 895-9551 ^' "Lets Talk Traffic"
- Building ~ Downtown Streetscape Plan
660 E. Watertower Lane
887122110/fax 887-1297 The public is welcome to attend. \~,,~~` dF ''a,,,
- Wastewater ~'tt,~j
3401 N. Ten Mile Road DATED this 7th da of Jul
888-2191/fax 884-0744 y y+ 20~• -
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2235 N.W. 8th Street ~ C~ \'
888-5242 /fax 884-1159 WILLIAM G. BERG, J , , ,.
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Anyone d®sirJng accommodation for disabilities related to documents and / or hearings,
please conta~ the Administration of Ade County Highway District at 387-6100
at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting.
CITY HALL 33 EAST IDAHO AVENUE MERIDIAN, IDAHO 83642 (208) 888-4433
CITY CLERK -FAX 888-4218 FINANCE & UTILITY BILLING -FAX 887-4813 MAYOR'S OFFICE -FAX 884-8119
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MAYOR
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CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS
Keith Bird
Joseph W. Borton
Charles M. Rountree
Shaun Wardle
CITY DEPARTMENTS
City Attorney/HR
703 Main Street
898-5506 (City Attorney)
898-5503 (HR)
Fax 884-8723
Fire
540 E. Franklin Road
888-1234/fax 895-0390
Parks & Recreation
11 W. Bower Street
888-3579 /fax 898-5501
Planning
660 E. Watertower Lane
Suite 202
884-5533 /fax 888-6844
Police
1.401 E. Watertower Lane
888-6678/fax 846-7366
Public Works
660 E. Watertower Lane
suite 200
898-5500 /fax 895-9551
Building
NOTICE OF SPECIAL JOINT WORKSHOP /MEETING
MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL
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ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT COMMISSIONERS
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MERIDIAN DEVELOPMENT CORPORTATION
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the City Council of the City of
Meridian and the Commissioners of the Ada County Highway District and
the Board Members of the Meridian Development Corporation will
hold a Special Joint Workshop at the Ada County Highway District's
Auditorium, 3775 Adams Street, Garden City, Idaho, on Monday,
July 10, 2006 at 12:00 noon. They will be discussing planning and
service issues and items concerning agencies such as:
Update on Split Corridor-Timing with Ten Mile Interchange
Status Report on Locust Grove Project-Stormwater Pond Site
Waltman Emergency Access Easement
Update on Signal Timing Ptan-Interim Signals
Update on CIP Process
"Lets Talk Traffic"
Downtown Streetscape Plan
660 E. Watertower Lane ICI I I' I"I~;~;;; ,
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Suite 150 ~~` ~ Y
The public is welcome to attend. ,~ ~.{ d~ , `''r,
887-221.1 /fax 887-1297 ~~~`r~ "~ ~ ~' '-:
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Wastewater ~
3401 N. Ten Mile Road DATED this 7th da Of Jul 2006.
888-2197. /fax 884-0744 y y'
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CITY OF MERIDIAN
MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL AND
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT COMMISSIONERS AND
MERIDIAN DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
SPECIAL JOINT MEETING /WORKSHOP
AGENDA
Monday, July 10, 2006
at 12:00 Noon
ACHD Auditorium, 3775 Adams Street, Garden City, Idaho
City of Meridian:
Shaun Wardle
Charlie Rountree
Joe Borton
Keith Bird
Mayor Tammy de Weerd
ACHD:
Carol McKee Rebecca Arnold
Sherry Huber David Bivens
President John Franden
MDC:
Clarence Jones Keith Bird
Jonathan Cecil Erik Oaas
Ron Anderson Shaun Wardle
Chairman Craig Slocum
I Update on Split Corridor ACHD-Levihn
-Timing with Ten Mile Interchange
II Status Report on Locust Grove Project ACHD-Mills
- Stormwater Pond Site
III Waltman Emergency Access Easement Meridian
IV Update on Signal Timing Plan ACHD-Little
- Interim Signals
V Update on CIP Process ACHD-Inselman
VI "Lets Talk Traffic" Meridian-Mayor
VII Downtown Streetscape Plan MDC
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CITY OF MERIDIAN
MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL AND
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT COMMISSIONERS AND
MERIDIAN DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
SPECIAL JOINT MEETING /WORKSHOP
AGENDA
Monday, July 10, 2006
at 12:00 Noon
ACHD Auditorium, 3775 Adams Street, Garden City, Idaho
City of Meridian:
Shaun Wardle
Charlie Rountree
ACHD:
MDC:
Joe Borton
Keith Bird
Mayor Tammy de Weerd
Carol McKee Rebecca Arnold
Sherry Huber David Bivens
President John Franden
Clarence Jones Keith Bird
Jonathan Cecil Erik Oaas
Ron Anderson Shaun Wardle
Chairman Craig Slocum
I Update on Split Corridor ACHD-Levihn
- Timing with Ten Mile Interchange
II Status Report on Locust Grove Project ACHD-Mills
- Stormwater Pond Site
III Waltman Emergency Access Easement Meridian
IV Update on Signal Timing Plan ACHD-Little
- Interim Signals
V Update on CIP Process ACHD-Inselman
VI "Lets Talk Traffic" Meridian-Mayor
VII Downtown Streetscape Plan MDC
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CITY OF MERIDIAN
MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL AND
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT COMMISSIONERS AND
MERIDIAN DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
SPECIAL JOINT MEETING /WORKSHOP
AGENDA
Monday, July 10, 2006
at 12:00 Noon
ACHD Auditorium, 3775 Adams Street, Garden City, Idaho
City of Meridian:
Shaun Wardle
Charlie Rountree
ACHD:
MDC:
Joe Borton
Keith Bird
Mayor Tammy de Weerd
Carol McKee Rebecca Arnold
Sherry Huber David Bivens
President John Franden
Clarence Jones Keith Bird
Jonathan Cecil Erik Oaas
Ron Anderson Shaun Wardle
Chairman Craig Slocum
I I
III
IV
V
VI
Update on Split Corridor
-Timing with Ten Mile Interchange
Status Report on Locust Grove Project
- Stormwater Pond Site
Waltman Emergency Access Easement
Update on Signal Timing Plan
- Interim Signals
Update on CIP Process
"Lets Talk Traffic"
ACHD-Levihn
ACHD-Mills
Meridian
ACHD-Little
ACHD-Inselman
Meridian-Mayor
VII Downtown Streetscape Plan MDC
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CITY OF MERIDIAN
MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL AND
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT COMMISSIONERS AND
MERIDIAN DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
SPECIAL JOINT MEETING /WORKSHOP
AGENDA
Monday, July 10, 2006
at 12:00 Noon
ACHD Auditorium, 3775 Adams Street, Garden City, Idaho
City of Meridian:
Shaun Wardle
Charlie Rountree
ACHD:
MDC:
III
IV
V
VI
Joe Borton
Keith Bird
Mayor Tammy de Weerd
Carol McKee Rebecca Arnold
Sherry Huber David Bivens
President John Franden
Clarence Jones Keith Bird
Jonathan Cecil Erik Oaas
Ron Anderson Shaun Wardle
Chairman Craig Slocum
Update on Split Corridor ACHD-Levihn
-Timing with Ten Mile Interchange
Status Report on Locust Grove Project
- Stormwater Pond Site
Waltman Emergency Access Easement
Update on Signal Timing Plan
- Interim Signals
Update on CIP Process
"Lets Talk Traffic"
ACHD-Mills
Meridian
ACHD-Little
ACHD-Inselman
Meridian-Mayor
VII Downtown Streetscape Plan MDC
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Will Berg
From: Tara Green
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Subject: FW: Joint Meeting for 7/10 with ACHD, MDC, and CC
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Tara,
I will not be able to attend due to prior work commitments. Best,
Jon Cecil, AICP
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Attached is the agenda for the Joint Meeting of the Meridian City Council, MDC and ACHD. If
you are not able to attend, please notify our office as soon as possible.
Thanks,
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Tara Green
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Meridian City Council Special Joint Workshop/Meeting July 10, 2006
The Meridian City Council Special Joint Workshop/Meeting was called to order at
12:00 P.M. on Monday, July 10, 2006 at the ACHD Auditorium by ACHD
Commissioner President John Franden and Mayor De Weerd.
Members Present: Mayor Tammy de Weerd, Keith Bird, Shaun Wardle, Charlie
Rountree and Joe Borton.
Staff Present: Bill Nary, Steve Siddoway and Will Berg.
ACHD Members Present: President John Franden, Rebecca Arnold, Sherry
Huber and David Bivens.
MDC Members Present: Chairman Craig Slocum, Keith Bird and Shaun Wardle.
Franden: The first thing I would like to do is welcome Mayor De Weerd and
members of the City Council to this meeting today. What would probably be a
good idea is to just kind of go around and introduce ourselves again, so we can
put faces to names and so on. Start over there.
Slocum: I am Craig Slocum the Chairman of the Meridian Development
Corporation.
Franden: Welcome Craig.
De Weerd: Tammy de Weerd the Mayor of the City of Meridian.
Bird: Keith Bird, Councilman for the City of Meridian.
Wardle: Shaun Wardle, City Councilman for the City of Meridian.
Borton: Joe Borton, City Councilman for the City of Meridian.
Franden: John Franden, ACHD Commissioner.
Arnold: Rebecca Arnold, ACHD Commissioner.
Huber: Sherry Huber, ACHD Commissioner.
Bivens: Dave Bivens, ACRD Commissioner.
Franden: Okay, the first item that we have on the agenda, which is near to
everybody's heart here is the split corridor. Katey are you going to be speaking?
Item 1. Update on Split Corridor -Timing with Ten Mile Interchange:
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Levihn: Can I talk here or do I need to talk into the microphone? Yes, this
project is very near and dear to everyone's heart. We were able to move up the
start of the design. It is now under contract for design with a design completion
date of July 2007. Currently, right-of-way is scheduled, right-of-way acquisition
for 2008 and construction in 2009. There is not a lot of right-of-way anticipated at
the moment, so if we get done with that design in 2007, we probably still won't be
able to begin right-of-way acquisition until 2008 because it takes a little bit of time
to put it on, but we can look at trying to sequence that a bit more. I know
everybody is interested in how it is going to fit with the Ten Mile Interchange and
also since we were able to move up design, if we could also move up the
construction and the answer on those two is we don't know exactly, but we are
working on that. In order to move up the construction, it is a lot of money to
move up into 2008. We currently do not have room in our sort of draft five year
work program for that year to move it up. We had a large number of cost
increases on construction jobs this year that have eaten any slack that we have
had and it pushed some of those costs out. So, unless we traded and started
looking at trading with the projects in the Meridian area, that is currently not
slated to move up. Having said that, ITD now informs us that they think that the
Ten Mile Interchange may go in 2009 dependent on how their environmental and
design work goes and it probably would not be too nice to have both those under
construction at the same time. So, we would be looking at trying to swap things
around, but seeing as at this point and time they can't say if they will actually be
done and ready and have the bidding in 2009 -you know, we can't count on that.
That would be moving faster than anything has ever moved before other than
Isaac's Canyon Interchange and I don't know that they can do that or not. They
are making a big push to do it. Six months to a year from now we will have a
better answer. So, with that and no answer to question answer -
Franden: What -first base that would be from Waltman?
Levihn: Yes, it takes care -the primary thing is that big Waltman, Meridian, Main
central intersection and it goes up north to just about Franklin. I think it actually
crosses over very slightly just so that we can reroute the traffic in there and that
is where it goes and then the (inaudible) pace right now is programmed for
construction and PD, preliminary development. So, that would be about 2012 in
that area. That is the one that gets the cross connection and reroutes the traffic
and in the (inaudible) split corridor.
Franden: Questions for Katey? Rebecca?
Arnold: The main question I have is where are we on (inaudible--) consideration
we are going in the most expensive option on this project was getting the funding
from the City of Meridian and I don't think there have been any contributions
made and I haven't even heard the numbers. I would like to know where we are
on that.
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Levihn: Well, I know Sabrina Bowman our funding facilitator has been talking
with both the City of Meridian staff and the Meridian Development Corporation
and we have got nothing committed at this point and time. There are some ideas
being kicked around for some contribution, but whether it is little or big that hasn't
even been set in place Commissioner Arnold.
Arnold: Well for me in a decision making process it was supposed to make a
significant contribution because the cost was so much higher. So, I am not going
to be very happy when it comes time to approve phase two if that doesn't occur.
Bird: Rebecca, when we passed that I don't recall any money talked about and
being one that wasn't a split option anyway. We donated up to $1.8 million on
the right-of-way on Locust Grove and it didn't get us anywhere. So, I am not -
right now, I for one, would have to see before I put any money on that (inaudible).
I agree, we (inaudible) pick the most expensive deal to recommend to you folks
and I apologize if it came with a recommendation that we were going to bring
some money because we can go back through our minutes and there was never
a mention of money being supplied.
Arnold: Well, there were discussions with us, between the Council and the
Commissioners on funding options and it was discussed at our meeting when we
approved it because the adequate traffic solution was so much less expensive. I
wasn't comfortable with spending the additional money for esthetics basically
where the city (inaudible) the funding contributions. So, that has been my
understanding from the get go.
Franden: Katey.
Levihn: President Franden and Commissioners and Mayor and City Council
members. I don't know if you remember or probably it's remember - I know that
everybody looked at that report a lot, but in the actual consultant report that came
out at the back there was quite a listing of potential funding sources. We have
looked at those and about half of them are probably not applicable to this project.
But, in addition it did recommend that there be a joint - a workshop on funding to
be set up and so I am going to throw that out for your consideration because that
would seem at least one place to begin starting that discussion.
De Weerd: Mr. Chairman.
Franden: Mayor.
De Weerd: I guess when the decision to co-fund a study, at that time ACRD
wanted to (inaudible) we want to make sure that this is something that works for
the city and the Highway Districts - if you don't intend to take public comments
into this, then don't ask for it because the public overwhelmingly supported the
split corridor and in our hearings that is what we look at. I know it has come up.
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Underline is what about the funding? I got a printout from your staff. Meridian
has stepped up in a big way in funding partnerships in many different projects
and I don't see you asking the same thing to other communities. We have spent
more than the City of Boise and we are a third of the size of the City of Boise.
So, at some point this is supposed to carry traffic and it's something that was a
joint project and we asked what other projects have you asked the city to come
up with money for the more expensive things and I haven't ever seen really any
examples come back to us and so we haven't seen anything in writing about this.
We haven't heard -some of -the projects that we have asked for in other
situations where this has happened, so it kind of thought well, I guess it's not an
issue. We have stepped up to be a partner with ACHD in many things and we
take that responsibility very serious. It is also, this specific alternative was impact
fee eligible. The other one isn't. So, those are your decisions, I guess.
Arnold: Madame Mayor we do take public comment into consideration everyday.
But, we also have a responsibility to be fiscally responsible and the best traffic
solution was actually less expensive. So, we made the decision to go with what
the City of Meridian wanted for esthetic purposes for downtown. In my mind, it
was based on some funding contribution from the city. I do appreciate that the
city has stepped up on projects, but we have to rely on that especially in
situations where we could have served the public needs less expensively.
Franden: Sherry.
Huber: Well, I think the issue here that we - we must of all heard something
different. Maybe that is not uncommon and clearly the conversation that
Commissioner Arnold is referring to - I think she has always expressed that view.
But, I believe we had a discussion amongst the Commissioners that we were
willing to see if there were some alternate funding with your downtown
development and in my mind, I don't believe the issue ever was definitively
settled. I don't call it an esthetically roadway just because it is split. It is not
esthetic and I really think that is mischaracterization of it. I think that we did talk
about it and we had staff even go back and look at references because it was
more and because we do try and be careful with the money, but then we did look
at projects outside the City of Meridian and we have probably over and above
what a fundamental road system will be (inaudible). Now, our attorney has when
it comes to landscaping and things like that has made it pretty clear that we really
should not be buying in with that. But, we are not talking about that on a split
corridor. That is not the same discussion as esthetics in my definition. So, I
don't know if there is consensus on this Commission with regard to
Commissioner Arnold's comments. Clearly, I think we do want to look for it
because it is our job to look for some additional funding when it is over and
above that. I think that issue was still open and that was one of the reasons,
quite honestly that we had talked about the best way to do it is inspections
because I know Councilman Bird can (inaudible) that when Ten Mile opens that
may change the view. So, we gave a lot of future options in case things change
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and so it is kind of in a step phasing and I think we all agree the most important
thing was get the intersection done and that that was critical to get done. But,
think we have left it open for the future to see if something changes -you know it
only takes one thing like a St. Luke's on Eagle Road to kind of wipe out
everybody's best plans. So, I think when we look at the timing we have got
enough time to look for optional funding. It will be great if by the dates they are
talking about the Ten Mile is in because clearly then we are going to find out if
you are right and we have got time to look at the funding. So, I mean I have a
different take on it. We have gone ahead and we have bought some right-of-way
and I think we asked you guys if you want to get (inaudible). We made the
decision as a Commission to go ahead and buy anyway. So, we are on the way
and I think we do believe that someone out there is going to find us some money
somewhere. So, I just wanted to add that I don't know if there is 100 percent
agreement. We just have to express our views and go from there.
Franden: I would like to follow up on what Katey talked about. I think it would be
very wise for us to have a very focus time when we can sit down and kind of talk
about this project and talk about funding. So that when we walk away from that
that as much as possible we can all be on the same page and we can know
exactly where we are because I have heard different conversations and I don't
know if any of them have been really focused, so I think that would be a really
good suggestion and I think we could probably carry this conversation on for a
few more minutes and then let's move onto another agenda item. But, I think this
particular project is going to be probably one of the - it is going to be the biggest
project that I think we will see at least funding wise within the City of Meridian for
a while at least out of the Ada County Highway District as it being one major
project. So, I would like to suggest that maybe we do that in a month or two and
sit down and focus in on this whole thing so that we figure out how we both want
to work together on this project. Yes?
Wardle: Mr. Chair. I guess one of the things that I need some clarification about
- things that I was that the infamous tie breaker on the issue -mine was the
throwing the stone that cast the final, I think, into play. I just want to make sure
that the decision that the City of Meridian was asked to make - through a number
of different studies and public involvement - we did make that decision and make
that recommendation to the Commission and who then accepted that. My
clarification, I guess is are we still moving down the same path and are we all
committed to the split corridor -since we are designing it, I assume that is true -
phase one - because I have heard a couple of different things and I think that if
we can get at least on the same page to say this is the plan and we are going to
go forward that there are going to be some additional funding revenues and we
need probably a discussion through a workshop. I just again need some
reassurance that this is the path we are taking.
Bivens: Mr. Chair.
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Page 6 of 25
Franden: Commissioner.
Bivens: After the (inaudible--) is the choices and I think it is a wise move to work
with the City of Meridian even though it is costing more money - (inaudible--)
looked at years before I was on the Commission, but we have got two things
coming up - a Locust Grove Overpass is going to need help. Igo clear back to
the time in 1995 when we worked on that. Ten Mile and Locust Grove Overpass
were the two major relief for traffic congestion. Now, since that time, yes the split
corridor is costly, but the second thing that is happening is the cost of
construction has really sky rocketed, now hopefully that will level off. Some of
these guys are supposed to know what they are talking about -that is going to
happen probably by or before winter sets in. So, all of these kinds of things need
to be stirred into the pot to flavor, but as far as I am concerned the time is
(inaudible--).
Siddoway: Mr. Chair.
Franden: Steve.
Siddoway: Mr. Chair, I did have a couple of quick thoughts. The one on the
timing on the split corridor, phase one and two on the funding partnership ideas
for phase two. I expected to be able to project these, but the projector is not
working so the one thing that I was wondering first of all in the timing of phase
one -first of all we all agree that having both under construction, Ten Mile
Interchange and the Meridian Road Interchange area is a bad idea, disaster if it
would happen that way. I feel similarly if we were to wait - if we were to put Ten
Mile construction without the benefit of having that Waltman intersection
improved before then. While Ten Mile may be postponed, we certainly are doing
everything we can and working with the GARVEE team to keep them on track for
'08 and '09 construction and '08 is really what we are looking at. One thing I was
wondering as a potential and in some preliminary discussions with Bruce is if the
design for phase one is ongoing now and scheduled to go through July of next
year, it will be at 75 percent completion and environmental done and everything
by April of next year if it stays on schedule. Could they not at that point begin
right-of-way at 75 percent and start right-of-way purchase through summer of '07,
which could then - I know we still have to figure out the funding, but the timing
wise anyway could get construction conceivably underway in the fall of '07 or
spring of '08, but early in fiscal year '08, because if we are successful in getting
Ten Mile Interchange done towards latter fiscal year '08, it would be really great
to have that Meridian, Waltman intersection done?
Huber: Yeah, I think the staffs have to get together and you guys have to go
through some scheduling because the Waltman -that intersection has been
postponed and we will be doing that probably no matter what happens, you
know, to the north. So, that is really an issue if the staff really believes it is
reality, you know, with regard to the timing and then again we have to double
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check as you well know we have all talked about the funding. In fact, we have
got it -got money for that year and if we don't have money for that year, we have
got it on another Meridian project we might have to do a flip. You know, so, we
don't know. So, that to me is really is really a staff issue that they need to say
okay we think this is reality.
De Weerd: We did get together with your staff and talk about the timing. We
saw a train wreck coming on the phase of construction for Ten Mile and phase
one of the downtown plan. I think it is essential for traffic flow that phase one
downtown is first done because that will be able to carry a greater load to that -
having an improved intersection and that traffic flow on both Main and Meridian
and so that is why we were looking at that and called a meeting saying, oh my
god, did you realize this and they committed to really taking a look at that. Again,
we just love working with your staff. We appreciate them and they are based in
reality, but they also are people who look for solutions and then (inaudible). So
that timing is very critical on Locust Grove, downtown phase one and Ten Mile
and we have gotten the commitment from Washington Group to be as close to
the timeframe on the Ten Mile as we can and so that is - we don't know it's
practical. We hope by bringing in private industry to be a driver behind this also
will compliment the work on their engineering division and get some -show a
model. I was in D.C. and we talked about these three projects and what Meridian
is doing in regards to Ten Mile and our area specific plan that we are doing to
compliment the transportation system, integrated with land use and some of the
goals of that study is really to combine land use transportation and the
transportation part of it and this is the discussion that we had with your staff as
well. We hope it reduces the cost for ACHD in trying to have traffic generation or
(inaudible) generation studies and those kinds of things. So, it is going to ease
some of the things on your end. In our transportation plan it should have access
management, traffic patterns, collector system, trip generation in our section
capacity and the affect on land uses. So, we are integrating that into our
planning process to hopefully come up with a showcase piece that can be used
as an example of how we can best work together the transportation and the land
use aspects. I do want this note that I know our urban renewal arm is looking at
what they can participate in the downtown and even with the sidewalk plan that
you will be hearing about a little bit later and that can reduce some of your costs
and they are looking at it in that fashion as well. We are planning our land use to
that transportation plan, so it is very important as Councilman Wardle said that
we are on the same page as we move forward and approve projects that those
things are going to compliment the transportation system that is being planned.
Franden: Katey.
Levihn: Commissioner Franden, Council people I just want to caution - we
definitely (inaudible) work together trying to sequence this, but it is not just the
split corridor that wants to be moved up. We are getting pressure from ITD to
move up all the roadways around the Ten Mile Interchange. We can't move
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July 10, 2006
Page 8 of 25
everything up, so we are going to have to work mostly together between the
three agencies to see what can be moved up and what is going to slide and that
is going to develop a little bit over time as we see how the designs go and
everything. But, we are getting ITD saying please complete Overland and
Franklin and the intersections all around there -
(Inaudible discussion)
Levihn: We won't be able to get it all done before the Ten Mile Interchange goes
in, so we are going to have to between the three agencies figure out which is the
most critical in making the whole system work.
De Weerd: And Mr. Chairman, we are. We are trying to work with private
industry to have and to be a partner to that and Steve and I will have a meeting
this week or next week on one of those partnerships and I think our area specific
planning group also has property owners on it and seeing how we can get that
going. Same with the phase one of the transportation downtown plan with a
development that is a potential as well. So, we are looking for those partnership
opportunities any place we can.
Franden: One thought that goes through my mind is that you are the fastest
growing community in the Valley and I look at the projects that you have got that
are big projects with Locust Grove and we are talking of the split corridor and Ten
Mile and I hate more meetings, but I almost wonder if we better be meeting a
little bit more often than we have been so that we know what you are doing and
what you are going through and how your planning so that we can be as
Commissioners, not just staff, but Commissioners more involved and engaged
with Meridian so that we can be of assistance to you where you need it. Sherry?
Huber: Yeah, I just wanted a clarification so that I - what I heard Katey say is
that we are going to have a lot more projects that will go with Ten Mile, plus this
and clearly I can (inaudible) see in the numbers we are not going to have
funding, so when you are talking about partnerships are you talking about
potentially people donating right-of-way for dollars or some combination of so
that -
De Weerd: -- or maybe even the pre-construction that they can be (inaudible).
Huber: Or like we have done before on Eagle Road where they went in and they
did the roadway and then we paid them back with impact fees from there?
De Weerd: Yes.
Huber: Because we need to know that because if we are figuring impact fees are
going to go into a pot and a segment of this pot is going to go here and they are
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planning on it here, we know that will make a difference in the mix to. Am I right
Katey?
Levihn: Yes, we will work with everybody. It is going to be very complicated and
so we are getting a lot of pressure from two agencies to move projects up to be
ready for Ten Mile and we had actually scheduled a number of projects, but over
the next five, six or seven years because when we start putting them into
program, the Interchange wasn't going to be built for 10 to 15 years. So, this
moving it up is putting a lot of pressure on everyone. We are in discussions with
ITD about what can be included in their part of the project or in discussions with
developers, about what they can get done. I am hearing (inaudible--) so we just
have to keep in close communication so we know who all is doing what and try to
figure out the best way and if something has to not get done that we are in
agreement that that is the least critical of the eight critical things that need to get
done.
Huber: We are going to start Overland from Ten Mile this fall, I think.
Levihn: Yeah, I believe so.
Franden: Yeah.
Huber: So, that is going to be a big one going on the south end.
Franden: In the interest of time, let's move on to our next Locust Grove project.
But, I would like to really suggest that we try to get together maybe in September
again and - we are in July, right? I don't know what it is anymore. If September
is soon enough so that we are with each other. Okay, Bruce.
Item 2. Status Report on Locust Grove Project -Storm water Pond Site:
Mills: I will be quick. Locust Grove -Franklin to Fairview we have just received
a permission from the last hurtle that we had was with Settler's and they will
allow us to go over the crossing in this particular project so it's actually ready to
go out to bid now. What we are looking at doing is bundling a few projects
together and putting them out to bid to try and see if we can generate some
additional interest because I believe ITD recently had some (inaudible) five is
what I heard and two got one bid each and three got no bidders, so we are just
trying to figure out is there a different way of doing it. So, we are going to try and
bundle this project with a few others and bid it out in late July or early August.
There is a storm water pond site at the north end, east side of the road just south
of Fairview and we are working with your staff. We realize that the pond even
though it is in Ada County now it is surrounded pretty much by Meridian and it will
need to be landscaped like we have done on our other ponds, so we will be
looking to enter into an agreement with you. The other thing that is interesting is
we will probably have to annex it in so we can get your water to irrigate the pond
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or the landscape thing. We are working with your staff on that. So, that is kind of
a quick update. Just one last one on the Locust Grove Overpass project is it is
with ITD now and the last I heard is it is going to be (inaudible) this month.
Siddoway: A couple of weeks ago we were told there is (inaudible) down there,
but it still had HWA funding (inaudible).
Mills: So hopefully it is going quick.
Franden: Questions? Okay, Bruce thanks.
Item 3. Waltman Emergency Access Easement:
Siddoway: I will take that one. This is really an opportunity to say thank you to
the Commissioners. We have already said thank you to the staff, but we had this
emergency access issue off Linder Road in the (inaudible) Landing Subdivision
area, right up against the freeway. It had been in need for years for emergency
access connection from Waltman over to that area and we partnered together,
we negotiated the easement successfully with the current property owner when
property changed hands last year and we worked with ACHD. Our emergency
services are very pleased. They have been and looked at it and we just wanted
to say thank you.
Franden: Thanks, Steve.
De Weerd: A big thank you. This has been something that I think we have been
trying to do for six years. So, we appreciate again your staff and how they have
really stepped up and yourselves to make some of these emergency access
points happen as well.
Item 4. Update on Signal Timing Plat -Interim Signals:
Little: The Commission gave us the green light a few months ago to get going on
some interim projects and some focus on signal timing and some projects we
have dropped back for certain reasons and high bid prices or whatever, we have
held off. But, anyway with available funds, we have planned for six interim traffic
signals and we are doing about 30 school zone flashers and we are doing some
signal timing projects and some other things that are in the traffic area, but on the
signal timing we just did downtown Boise. We go in and do run streets,
(inaudible) students and drive streets and record times and all that and with a
consultant on board go through the whole process and then we check them out
at the end and see what actually happened on these streets in time wise and you
get a really good product in terms of information on what is the average vehicle
delay and timeline on every street and comes up with the timing plans for each.
In downtown Boise, we ended up with, I think, four different timing plans. So, it is
the time of day, day of week and that kind of thing. We are planning to do
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Meridian and we will be doing it this summer. We are meeting a consultant
tomorrow to go through the strategy and that and we hopefully will be done by
the end of October in terms of having it implemented, on the ground, measured
results and the product back.
(Inaudible discussion)
Little: Yes, that would be all Meridian signals. The signal timing thing -the
interim signals, one of those in the north Meridian and the rest of them are
southwest Boise and the reason is that most of north Meridian are under design
for ultimate signals and the ones down on Amity Road and Lake Hazel are just
sitting there. They are not in the program at this point. But, the one that is in
Meridian that we moved into the status to build is the interim signal and it is
Ustick and Meridian Road. That is one that we hope to do as an early one.
Hopefully our second one -the hang up is going to be our power poles. We are
hoping to get cooperation from Idaho Power. We think it will take about 30 days
to get those moved and so we could be in there by September building an interim
signal that would take about three weeks to a month to get that done.
De Weerd: Terry, if you need any help with that let me know and I can also send
(inaudible) your way.
Little: I will just give you a list of the Meridian speed zone flashing lights. These
are the flashing beacons at schools. I think there are nine schools and eleven
locations in Meridian that will be receiving these school zone flashers. They are
really popular in general, with the police and it costs just a little bit of energy and
the cost to get those built, but they are a great device.
Franden: Questions for Terry?
De Weerd: No, just appreciation.
Item 5. Update on the CIP Process:
Inselman: Mr. Council we are advertising currently for the public hearing for our
capital improvements plan. We had a final draft go out June 19th and advertising
started in the last week and the public hearing is July 26th at 6:30 here and if you
have specific questions about anything, I would be happy to answer those. That
is where we are at in the process right now.
Franden: Sherry.
Huber: Yeah, you might tell them that we anticipate because the costs have
gone up that impact fees are going to go up. So, we don't want anybody to be
too surprised when you see some increases and (inaudible) public comment will
be regarding that or maybe not. Maybe everybody realizes like we do.
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Inselman: The impact fees will increase between 72 percent and 191 percent
depending on which service area you are in. The highest increases are the
northeast service area, the east of Eagle Road, north of the Interstate. The
second highest increases are your areas, which are probably service areas one
and two, north and south of the Interstate.
Huber: (Inaudible--)?
(Inaudible discussion)
Inselman: 72 percent to 191 percent. For instance in the northwest area, north
Meridian a single family homes will go up to $3,500 from $1,500 today and south
of the Interstate it would be $2,550, where I believe it is $1,185 today or $1,300
today.
De Weerd: Mr. Chairman, we did have concern and I think we brought it up a
meeting that we last held that maybe Steve can just give you a brief summary of
that.
Siddoway: I don't know if there is an answer at this point, but at the last meeting
we did talk about the southwest Meridian area. There were several roads that
had been identified as collectors that were not included in the initial analysis.
Those classifications have now changed. They could be included except I know
that there are fund issues and cannot simply just add additional roads in, but I
think this group of elected officials needs to be aware that the roads like Locust
Grove, we are getting an overpass this year, but south of the freeway it is not in
the CIP. So, there will be no impact fees collected for that road project. There is
still impact fees collected in the area as this area develops out, but Linder Road,
Victory are examples. Those are the mains one that come to mind that do not
show up in the CIP, so as such if we have developer initiated partnerships on any
of those roads in the next three years until the next update, they won't be eligible.
The impact fee is not as high as it would be if those roads could be included. So,
I know there has been some frustration - I don't know if frustration is the right
word, but we have acknowledge the fact that a lot of the roads in north Meridian
weren't in the previous CIP and a lot of development has happened in the last
three years in north Meridian. The sewer is being extended under the freeway
this fall and we expect similar growth in south Meridian over the next three years.
I just want that issue clear. I don't know if there is an answer.
Franden: Gary.
Inselman: Yeah, I can address some of that and Steve and I have talked about
this before. Even some of the roads south of the Interstate that were in, they are
only showing up in the model runs is a three lane necessity and some of those
we had to drop the construction dollars out of our plan. We have a lot of our
projects in our plan this time that are for corridor preservation only because we
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had to free up approximately $70 million from the general fund revenue, our
match to meet our other needs. So, we weren't in a position to be able to add a
lot of projects and we did discuss it and we are concerned about a delay in
studying to add more road projects when we are already trying to reduce costs
and remove some construction dollars out. For instance, Black Cat was only
showing as a three lane need. All of Amity west of Highway 69 was only a three
lane need. Lake Hazel didn't even show up as a need. So, I wasn't positive that
we would see a lot of needs identified studying Locust Grove or Linder or Victory
anyway and if we did it most likely would be a three lane need that we wouldn't
lead the construction dollars in anyway because we are trying to reduce costs.
We do acquire the right-of-way as the properties develop even if it is not a capital
improvements plan. We do have a budget item for non impact fee eligible
corridor preservations. We are acquiring the right-of-way. We are having more
success working with your staff and in particular developers and having more
right-of-way donated or limiting the amount of right-of-way that we have to buy
and getting the sidewalks and easements so we are cutting a lot of savings there.
I think we can address the needs in the next update and not get behind as
properties develop over the next couple of years and preserving that right-of-way.
De Weerd: Mr. Chairman I guess the concern is that we are aware of Boise's
plan on Lake Hazel and that connection. We are aware of Canyon County and
their aggressive improvements for Amity and we just don't want to be caught in
between with our rural two lane road that those numbers may not justify it in
Meridian, yet, but Kuna and what they are doing down there just scares the living
tar nation out of me because I know where their traffic goes. (Inaudible). So, we
are just very concerned about those south roads because of what Nampa is
doing and we are accommodating Nampa's cars and I know you of everyone
knows that, but they are not going to go to Garrity to get onto I-84. They come
through Meridian as they do in the north and with Kuna's growth and the planned
communities that might be happening, we are just trying to look out and make
sure that we again work very closely with you and leveraging the dollars that you
do through as many donations and allowing those sidewalks to go into
easements or right-of-ways, but we just don't want to have the train wreck
happen in Meridian.
Franden: Katey.
Levihn: President Franden, Commissioners, Council people I don't know if you
are aware that our Commission approved a whole series of studies that we are
getting kicked off right now. They were approved in April and we have been
working on scopes of work. One of those main studies is for what we call the
southwest Meridian area and it goes from the freeway all the way down to Kuna
and to look at all those roads and kind of do a pulmonary transportation and work
with Steve on that and everything else that is going in there. So, that should help
and it will help feed into the next CIP update because it should give us some
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really good information. We are hoping on that. We are also looking at Kuna
(inaudible) road. We have got a pile of them.
Franden: Sherry.
Huber: Katie do you think that by the next update that we will have our -the mile
we use is the long range mile (inaudible) and clearly it has a different goal than
maybe what we deal with on a short timeframe and so we have talked about
working on to get our own short term model, which is really what I think we are
talking about here. Do you think by that time we probably should -some
process and have it up and running by then?
Levihn: By the next update?
Huber: Yeah.
Levihn: And starting that --?
Huber: Yeah.
Levihn: And which would start about two years from now? Yes. We actually -
just a position closed last Friday to get a transportation modeler. We only had
two responses. I am not sure how soon we will get somebody on staff for that,
but we are planning on developing - we use the COMPASS model, which is very
good at the (inaudible) prints arterial level, pretty good at the minor, gets worse
as you are going down and build on that with our own to be able to model how
smaller areas, intersections (inaudible) collector system a whole lot better.
would think in two years from now we will have that pretty good and up and
running.
Huber: That would really integrate the land uses because as you get an
application in, you feed into us and we are really going to know the counts on
that road and the distribution from the traffic studies.
(Inaudible discussion)
Huber: I mean, we have seen enough and I didn't know if they were aware of
that, so I brought it up. The Commission, we have seen enough where we knew
it (inaudible) and that was some of our reorganization that we are doing
(inaudible--) because it integrates exactly what you are talking about earlier in a
much tighter way than land use and traffic planning and a short timeframe rather
than -
(Tape turned over)
Franden: Actually we are referring them all to you.
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Item 6. "Let's Talk Traffic":
De Weerd: Our staffs all got together, the city, ACHD, COMPASS, ITD to try and
find how can we better communicate? The innovative, above and beyond steps
that are being taken because we know that those are happening everyday by
multiple parties. It is not just ACRD or the City of Meridian. It is our development
community. It is all different sources and so we are trying to find a better way of
doing that. So, "Let's Talk Traffic" is just a proactive campaign to improve
communication on what we are doing about traffic and transportation related
issues. We will be doing public displays and handouts, presentations to civic
groups, neighborhood associations, church groups or whoever calls and says we
would really like you to come in and as those calls come in we do have that
suggestion that this is available, we certainly would be willing to come out and
talk to groups and we do have some presentation material. We are trying to get
it out in our news letter. We just had a City of Meridian news letter that went out.
It is electronically transmitted, so we are building our database. But, "Let's Talk
Traffic" was on page 2 as something that we are trying to do, again to work with
your communications aspect and ours to come together with a positive and
proactive message that we are working on it.
Franden: Great. Comments for the Mayor? Dave?
Bivens: I think growth has just part seeded our capabilities to keep up with the
necessary facilities to handle it and people that come here - on places where
people were born and raised in this area they can't believe it. My God, we can't
believe it. There is nothing there, no landmarks or anything like that. I think
Steve mentioned that southwest part and as quick as you are getting that sewer
and water, I compliment Meridian and Kuna Council for kind of holding back until
we get that Ten Mile Interchange because it is kind of like pulling the plug out of
a reservoir. You get that under there and you get that connection, it is going to
be another extreme growth area. (Inaudible--) out there and I meant with a group
of folks that are looking at Kuna -Mora Road and they are willing to participate in
kind of setting aside corridors on each side for like seven lanes and several
(inaudible--).
Huber: It shows a one lane road there now.
Bivens: Yeah, we have got a two lane road there now and the one development
that is over there on the corner of Cloverdale and (inaudible) right now and if you
look at the setbacks, they are already planning for it. They are moving it way
back. There is enough owners in there that own about -they tell me about 10
miles on both sides of Kuna -Mora Road, they control that as far as ownership is
concerned and they (inaudible) ground well up there by the railroad track on just
opposite of Black Creek Interchange and that is going to be a major interchange.
But, it will go clear through to Nampa and part of Meridian and it is going to affect
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the whole area just like north Eagle and that area that we talked about
(inaudible).
Franden: Sherry.
Huber: But, anyway, I met with Kuna on that and we talked about it with Canyon
County and the Highway District and we are letting the study out, but in my mind
the biggest purpose of the study is to know the setbacks because the reality is
we just did arough -Katie did a rough numbers of six or seven million just to
connect those roads. Forget about widening them, just connect to (inaudible)
into Canyon County. You can't justify spending that right now because there are
other priorities that have waited longer, better (inaudible) and so the reality is
unless somebody builds it; it isn't going to happen for a long time. I mean, these
people can have a lot of dreams and they can sell a lot of places, but I mean I
really comfortable in saying from the Highway District's perspective that that is
going to be not a high priority. You all are aware of our priority system. So,
although everybody recognizes that it is a wonderful thing to do and we know the
growth is going to be there, the reality is we don't have the money. So, it is really
critical to at least get the setbacks. I mean, we could talk about all of this, but we
just don't have enough money to accommodate what people are talking about. It
is just that the reality of it is just not there. The best we can do is to get a
setback.
Franden: You know looking at this it is kind of nice that you are doing this
because the people that live in Meridian have some place to go to and for you to
communicate as well as ourselves, but there are a couple of things that have
happened over the last couple days that really hit me right between the eyes and
one was - I don't know how many saw Andy Rooney last night on 60 minutes,
but he said do you think the country is growing? Does it seem to you that there
is more congestion? And he said well a hundred years ago we had 85 million
people in this country. Fifty years ago we had 165 million and today we have
295 million people living in the United States and we are seeing this growth
coming. Then on Saturday I get this email news service that has to do with real
estate that came through and so there are three boom areas. Three boom towns
that we are seeing -that this particular service is seeing in the country right now.
One was in Texas. One was in South Carolina and the other one was right here
in this Valley, the third one that is coming forth. So, just to kind of reiterate where
we are at. I see a perfect storm coming. The perfect storm is not coming, it is
here. What that perfect storm is going to be is going to have to do with money.
We see the legislature is going to be meeting at the end of the summer, probably
and I wouldn't be surprised if they do something about property taxes and move
it to the sales tax. Then I see where there is going to be a move to try and get
local option taxation for public transportation and then I see where we are going
to need to come in for additional dollars for the vehicle registration fee to help
with transportation. Something is going to have to fail. The voters will do
something, but what will they do and what won't they do is going to be the
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question that I see and our salvation and I am not negative towards public
transportation in any way at all. I want to see it succeed in our Valley, but the
reality is that between 95 and 98 percent of the people are still going to be using
some form of single occupancy vehicle. We are going to have to figure out how
to fund the systems that will move those vehicles. I guess that is my (inaudible)
story. Anyway, anything else?
(Inaudible discussion)
Franden: Well, Tammy you see what is going on in Meridian and you also see
what is going on through the rest of the county, through everything that you guys
are involved in and we do as well. Katey's study that she talked about. One
thing that has helped us kick some of that off had to do with the north Ada
foothills and what is going on there and then we see what is happening south of
the airport and out there and it does - it scares the carnation out of you. I mean,
it certainly has our attention in a big way. We just realized we don't have the
money to do everything and then as David mentioned, our construction costs are
going up between 25 and 40 percent on each and every project and that is if we
can get somebody to do the job.
Huber: You know the reality is that everybody talks about transportation, but
when Dr. Freilich was here I think he made some pertinent comments that
seemed to be overlooked. A lot of the transportation that we are talking about we
don't have (inaudible), nor do we have calculation, so the reality is we have got to
fund roads because if you are going to have any system it is going to be a bus
system on wheels. If you don't have a north south, east west good five lane
roads that is going to carry us, we are not there. While it is great to be a
visionary, I guess I am saying I am not. I am trying to be the realist that says in
the next five or ten years that is reality. We have got to work on the roads. So,
guess in some ways I am a little negative on public transportation because I
believe that some dollars may go there that should be going to the road system.
While I certainly believe there should be right-of-way corridor preservation that is
logical for a future public system of this rail or whatever it is going to be, but I
think it's so future that - I just don't see people using it yet and we don't have the
densities anywhere and in the future there doesn't look like there are densities.
De Weerd: We are never going to get through the first step of public
transportation without road improvements or those busses will sit in the same
traffic as we all sit in.
Huber: Yeah, if we don't have good roads busses sit and they fail.
Franden: Okay, let's move to the next item, unless you wanted to say more
about that.
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Item 7. Downtown streetscape Plan:
Wardle: Thank you I will kick this off. I would like to, just again, introduce Craig
Slocum who is the chair of the Meridian Development Corporation, which is the
urban renewal arm of the City of Meridian. In addition, myself as well as
Councilman Bird sit on that board. I will now introduce the Administrator for
MDC, Clair Bowman to give us a brief presentation on our streetscape and
improvement plan.
Bowman: It is a pleasure to be back with this group again.
Franden: Are you new to the Valley, sir?
Bowman: The Meridian Development Corporation is considering a concept of a
consistent or more consistent streetscape, sidewalk-scape throughout some
portion of the downtown area of the City of Meridian. We have hired The Land
Group as a consultant to put together the prototype for it. We are looking at
areas between the back of the curb and the front of the buildings and again areas
where both (inaudible) and to the property line buildings already exist. It is called
a prototype because we do not anticipate applying this in a cookie cutter fashion.
It will be applied in consultation with any of the individual property owners. As a
portion of the reviewed process we are going through right now, I have
personally gone to each of the businesses on Main Street at least in the
downtown area of the City of Meridian and the businesses immediately on the
side streets from there. I personally delivered an invitation to the business
owners and the property owners to review this proposal that I will be going
through with you today. Over the last two weeks I have had almost three
quarters of those business owners come for either a personal consultation or to
walk through and to take a look at what we are proposing here. When I get to
the end of this presentation you will see what the next steps are and you will see
how some of that plays into what those next steps are. I met with your staff a
week ago and we have made a few modifications in what is in here based upon
that conversation. I wouldn't say that they have approved it. That would be
going beyond the nature of the conversation we had, but I think we have
addressed the immediate concerns that came to mind. We will go through a
series of graphic images. We are going to look at the target geography and look
at an overall site plan template. We will look at some cross section street
elevations and finally streetscape furniture and furnishing possibilities. Our intent
right now is to apply this to the geography as shown in the colored street sections
there. It would start at Ada Street on the south and go to Carlton Street on the
north, Meridian Road on the west and E. 3~d Street on the east. We anticipate
when it is implemented by MDC, we would do both sides of the street. We are
anticipating it would apply to both sides of all of those streets. We have, through
The Land Group, had a proposal that yes it is nice to have a consistent image in
your downtown area, but you don't want that image so consistent that it becomes
boring. So, there are separate treatments proposed for the north south streets
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and for the east west streets. Here is a typical corner. You are looking in the
lower left corner there at the Farmer's & Merchants State Bank, the new building
where you have already approved and has been implemented some portions of
this streetscape. Those portions that you have already approved that the MDC
Board and that the City of Meridian have already approved are brought forward
as existing components of this plan. This prototype for public comment is simply
going beyond that to say what do you want in some of the other elements? Along
the east side, the right hand side of the graphic there, we have used some
existing buildings, we have also modified some of those street front or building
fronts to illustrate situations that occur up and down Main Street. In the upper left
corner you simply have an enlargement of the lower right corner and I will go to a
much larger graphic of that. I might for the benefit of the Commission and at your
staff's request, note that what is shown there is enhanced pavement crosswalk is
yet to be determined and is not really a part of this project.
Huber: Well, that was one of my questions and the second one was we just went
through in last year or the year before a pretty extensive study about the trees
and the plant (inaudible) and if they puffed up our sidewalks and has staff agreed
that this fits that policy? We took it to all of the cities and so I am presuming that
that is true, but I want to ask.
Bowman: We are assuming that the list of trees that would be available for
planting in class 1, 2 and 3 trees here would be the ones that are acceptable on
the ACHD adoption list.
Huber: You do have our policies so you kind of know?
Bowman: Yes.
Huber: I hate for you to landscape something and then it doesn't -
Bowman: The tree grates are the same as what you require. The structure of
the concrete borders on the tree grates go down far enough and is thick enough
that it will handle all of your requirements for the roots not breaking and for
protecting the irrigation system that goes in behind it. The components that we
are looking at are bunched up on this comer because we wanted to illustrate
them all on a single corner. In practice they will not be installed that way. You
can see we are looking at bike wrecks, recycling and trash receptacles, tree
grates, trees, drinking fountains, street lights, benches, planters, A.D.A. ramps,
bollards and a street crossing. We then took elevation looks at what is being
proposed here so both of the -for all of the people who see this can understand
what we are proposing. You see on the above graphic, a highlighted white area
along the right hand side. Down below you are taking a street level look at that
face on looking west on this hypothetical block front here. We are illustrating the
positioning of street lights, we are illustrating the relative clearances under trees
that we are proposing in the standards package. We are anticipating trees would
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have a minimum nine foot clearance under them so that storefronts are still open
to both pedestrians and folks on the street to be seen easily. Yet, we would have
this canopy of trees that would show off very well and highlight the beautification
of the downtown area. We then go to a cross section. This is that little building
that we drew way out into the sidewalk area up there to illustrate our starting
point for the zones in the sidewalk. We have identified an eight foot street
furnishing zone. That is where all of the trees, tree grates, benches, bicycle
racks, planters, bollards and things like that go. We are retaining that, we want
to retain it as an eight foot set dimension throughout the entire project area. That
width accommodates the six foot tree grates that you currently -that ACRD
Commission currently requires and the concrete around those with enough
pavers to set them off visually and accent them appropriately. Any area between
that eight foot zone and the building front would then be divided into two areas.
One is a pedestrian movement zone and one is a commerce zone. The
pedestrian movement zone will be a five foot minimum width throughout. You
are seeing here what we could identify -you know walk up and down Main
Street as the narrowest street section, excuse me, the narrowest sidewalk
section that we have on Main Street. That is why we used it as an illustration
here. If you go to one down the street a little bit that has a wider sidewalk section
you will see here that we still have the eight foot street furnishing zone. We now
have a ten foot pedestrian movement zone, which is much more desirable than
the five foot one and we still allow five feet in front of the store as a commerce
zone either for sidewalk poster signs, sidewalks sales, cafe kinds of things
extending out into the street and so on. Wherever we have both a sidewalk
pedestrian movement zone and a commerce zone, we anticipate having a visual
identification of the boundary between those so that patrons, store owners,
enforcement officers and everyone has a clear idea of where those boundaries
are. There currently is one store and one restaurant in downtown Meridian
where the commerce zone seems to creep out further and further into the
sidewalk zone, pedestrian zone as the day moves along.
Huber: How does the right-of-way work?
Bowman: There will be some interesting situations to take care of in the right-of-
way section.
Huber: Because we (inaudible--) earlier when I was talking about schematics,
this clearly falls into that category, so we do need to talk about it. I mean, I love
the wide sidewalks, unfortunately we can't afford them. But it is something that
definitely makes it much more (inaudible). Have we talked about how that is
going to work?
Bowman: No, we have not at this point. Our current focus is on Main Street
where all of those issues are at least contained within a set of two or three
alternatives. There are some leftover anomalies, I guess is the right word, from
the late 1980's, early 1990's project that the Ada County Highway District and the
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city did jointly to improve Main Street to its current status. There are some legal
questions there on some of that parking where the property line between ACHD
and the property owner goes right through the middle of parking spaces and
things like that. So, we will have some interesting application issues. Our goal
here again is to deal with prototype and then we will deal with the specifics at
some point later on.
Franden: Clair I have got a question and then I think Steve does, but I think it is
the same question that Sherry has and I think you answered it, but if Boise is an
example, ACHD owns the right-of-way that the sidewalks are on except on Ada
Street of where (inaudible) has some. Is that the same case in Meridian and
what I heard you say is no not necessarily because some of the private property
owners in the middle of the (inaudible) -
Bowman: Yes, where the diagonal parking is along Main Street from Idaho to
Pine there were some interesting resolutions to legal issues there in the late
1980's when you did that large project. So, in some cases, the property owners
still own property out into those parking spaces I am told and ACHD right-of-way
does not go all the way back to the building front, but most of the area in that
downtown where the buildings come out to the sidewalk, that is the property line
at which ACHD owns the right-of-way.
Franden: Steve.
S. Price: One thing that we have been kind of planning for about the last year
and one half, but it has been kind of held up with negotiated a master license
agreement with Valley Ride is we are creating a task force on basically structures
within the right-of-way and that is the streetscape, all of these different structures.
We will be sending -actually our new attorney, (inaudible) Rigby, she is going to
be spearheading that effort and that task force.
Huber: Put the new guy on it.
S. Price: She just started this in the past two weeks and we will be sending out a
letter and most certainly one of the top people on that is you Clair to participate in
that. But, we are getting all the different cities to get involved to help us
(inaudible) regulations and to come up with some design standards. Now, it is
still going to give the city a certain amount of flexibility, but we really have two
concerns. One is that the sidewalk system meets the American Disability's Act.
The second thing is that in terms of traffic safety that whatever structures are
within aright-of-way satisfies our standards. Then beyond that is that (inaudible)
is to work out some type of arrangement where, for instance, news racks where
you have permanent fixtures that are there, that you can license them, that you
can regulate the (inaudible--). A lot of concerns that we are getting from the
development community is the cities will put a bunch of standards on them to
make their development very nice, only to find out after the completion of the
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development a bunch of yellow and blue rental house boxes end up on their
corner after they put (inaudible) papers in one. The idea is to find a way to try
and change some of those nice, esthetic boxes and change it into something that
the city actually wants. So, we think that we really need to get the whole task
force in place to do that, get everybody's input and then we will develop these
regulations. This will be moving right along in the next six months.
Huber: And to follow up, a part of the reason that started was what has been
referred to as somebody's incorrect (inaudible) to the cafe out onto the sidewalk
as the day goes along and I think it would be an interesting challenge for that
task force to come up with a resolution because in downtown Boise is really
where it started is the sidewalk (inaudible) cafes are using public right-of-way and
making money from it and they are being charged a fairly minimal fee. So, if you
are consistent across the board with when someone uses public right-of-way,
then they should being paying more. Of course, then you know, we are ruining
downtown. You are going to have exactly the same, probably a similar situation
and so that is something that we want the task force to wrestle with what is fair
and what is in the interest of the community because when somebody uses
public right-of-way and are making money off of it, it was a private business they
would be getting some reasonable return. For some reason there is a distinction
drawn so that (inaudible) is going to have an interesting challenge with all of
those items.
Wardle: Mr. Chair, I would just ask Steve, does Meridian have a representative
through their Valley Ride process on that Committee?
Huber: You would really need to be sure because it is going to (inaudible--).
De Weerd: Well and where we have transit (inaudible).
S. Price: Councilman Wardle, one of the things that obviously - we are going to
actually find some of the key players and then have a meeting to identify all those
players that really need to be there to make those kinds of decisions. Valley
Ride, the reason we have been holding off until we get a master license
agreement is because in this county we have, our estimates are over 600
unauthorized bus benches. So, wherever you see a bus bench doesn't
necessarily mean that there is going to be a bus there. We have run into -this is
a really complicated thing because these people have found a loop hole in the
signage ordinance, the city's signage ordinance as a way to advertise. So, we
are working with the City of Boise and Nampa has also done it, which is to adopt
a signage ordinance that precludes that type of signage. What we want to do is
to turn over to Valley Ride to get them the ability to license any advertising on
their structures and they get to keep any of the revenue of it to help them with
public transportation. Typically, we have kept that revenue, but we -the
program costs us more. We are not really in a position where we can charge
more. We think that Valley Ride will be in a position where they can generate
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more revenue and have more control over where they put bus stops. But, once
we get the ordinance in place that prohibits that type of advertising, then it puts
us in a better position where we can go remove all those unauthorized bus
benches. It is going to be quite an order, but that is something that we are
working with Valley Ride. Of course Valley Ride is going to be very much
involved in that. There are different times of transit structures. There is the
permanent, just the benches as well as the standard signs. But, we have kind of
just sat down, just to give you an idea and tried to identify all the different types of
things that go in the right-of-way. It is unbelievable. Clair has just identified just
a few, but there are a lot of things that people put in right-of-way, so we really
have to address all of those and try and find some consensus with all the parties
that are affected by that. We think the task force is really the best way to go.
Wardle: Steve, just for clarification, you haven't formed the task force yet?
S. Price: No. We will be doing that within the next week.
Wardle: Thank you.
Franden: Clair, could you get this wrapped up in maybe about five minutes?
Bowman: You bet. I was just going to suggest -
De Weerd: John, just a point of information this is the first time we are seeing it
too. Just thought you should know that.
Bowman: What you see here is the east west street elevation you can just
quickly see that there are some differences in that. I will go on past these other
elevations. This is an example of one of the slides that we had in for the public
viewing just inviting them to indicate their comments and preferences on a survey
form. On the furnishing side we start with an existing set of adopted components
that I mentioned earlier, street lights, tree grates, trees, bollards and the pavers
that we use. Then we go to each of five different specific items and ask for
preferences among these. For each one we have provided the nature of the
materials, initial cost and maintenance costs and things like that and we are
taking public comment on those preferences at this point -benches, trash
receptacle alternatives, planters, drinking fountains, including doggie drinking
fountains. We have had some interesting comments on that and finally bike
racks. The recommendations on each of those will be made to the MDC Board
for their adoption as part of the standards. The board meeting was supposed to
be this Wednesday. Due to a lack of a quorum it has been postponed a week.
So, here is a summary picture of all of those applicants. Next steps -- we
assume the first step is the MDC Board has to consider adopting the prototype.
Both the overall look and some specific site furnishings. At this point, the public
comment in response to two of our upfront questions is overwhelmingly positive.
The first was is it desirable in your estimation to do a consistent streetscape
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treatment? Have not heard one negative comment to that. Second, is the model
that we are proposing here acceptable to you? There has been one negative
comment because one person said it looks to expensive, other than that the
reaction to that question has been very positive as well -uniformly positive. On
specific site furnishings we will have recommendations quite specific for the MDC
Board, but the time we get there I can give you one example. On the benches
for example the recycled material bench is far and away the preferred one and
they would like to have that with the earth tone plastic slats on it or recycled
plastic slats, rather than the gray. That will be part of the recommendation, I am
sure. There will be -there is similar consensus around most of the others except
water drinking fountains. Once the MDC Board gets to that piece of it, the Land
Group will then be creating a streetscape implementation manual. We assume it
will have the graphics, much like what we have shown you today. It will have the
standards -how far away should street lights be? How far back from the curb
are the old patterns set? How wide is the paver strip behind the curb and all of
that? What is the list of trees that are acceptable? We will simply take your
manual and reference that as an example. We will have a text version of that
manual and then we will also have (inaudible) files that can be made available on
our website so that any developer, architect or whomever wants access to those
can download and drop them into their drawings. Benetton Corporation
Construction Company will be estimating costs for Main Street implementation.
So by August maybe as late as the September meeting, the MDC Board will get
to address the question of how much of Main Street they want to implement if
any of it. They have not made a decision that they are absolutely going forward
with this. All they have done at this point is contract with the Land Group to do
this prototype and bring it back to them for their consideration. Lastly we would
have to establish the remainder of an implementation plan at some point.
Huber: Well, the only thing I ask is that I would really appreciate if we do a
double check to be sure before you do the manual that ACHD staff doesn't see
any issues because I would sure hate for you to do a manual and then we are in
some kind of not on the same plain thing and so t think I would really appreciate
it if you could be sure prior to that that we are all on the same boat and when it's
down in black and white, it is a go.
Bowman: ACHD staff are represented on the committee - on the staff's
committee that is working with this and we will have a formal presentation.
Huber: Well, I think it should be a formalized agreement, not just somebody on
the committee to be sure that you know Steve looked at it and everybody that
needs to look at it does before the manual comes out because I would hate for -
Wardle: Mr. Chair.
Franden: Mr. Wardle.
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Wardle: If I might - we are in the preliminary design phases right now. We have
got a number of issues to resolve. Some of those being legal and what is going
to be allowed in the right-of-way. I think when we talk about that commerce zone
the MDC Board's perspective is to foster business downtown and certain types of
activities. Some of those will definitely need to be defined and their scope and
purpose in those zones. So, we wanted to get as a Board, get this out for
comment, make it presentation to both the Commission and the Council and I
don't see any implementation happening next week. We are definitely taking
some direction and we will do all those due diligence.
Huber: The devil is in the details. So, we sure don't want to have a manual and
have to revise it.
Franden: Clair, thank you.
Huber: Yeah, it looks great. It really does. Yeah, you can't have anything but a
positive comment to it as long as we know it is not going to (inaudible--).
Franden: Okay, anything else? Thank you.
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