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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2006-04-03i ti d 1 y ' '~~ 44E CITY OF MER~D~AN MERID~N CITY COUNCIL SAND ADA COUNTY. HIGHWAY DISTRICT COMMISSIONERS SPECIAL JOINT MEETING / WORKSHOP AGENDA ', Monday, April 3, 2006 at Roon ACHD Auditorium, 3775 Adams Street, E3arden City, Idaho City of Meridian: Shaun Wardle ~ Joe Borton Charlie. Rountree Keith Bird ~- Mayor Tammy de Weerd ACRD: Carol McKee Rebecca Arnold Sherry Huber David Bivens ' President John Franden I den Mile Interchange. Specific Area Plan 1 GARVEE Meridian /ITD It Update on Locust Gave Alignment & Overpass ACHD /ITD III Update on Split Corridor ACHD (Inselman) IV Update on Waltman Temporary Access ACHD (Morgan) V deport on Linder / Ustick Public Information Meeting ACHD (Quintana) VI status Report on ~'YQ6 Design & Right-of-Way ACHD ~~ Projects in Meridian VII ~lther (time permitting) Maytid~ City Council Special Joint l~feefing with ACHD Cpn~€raissioners - Apri13, 2006 Page 1 of 1 All mrat~s presented at public meetings shall become the prvp6rty of the City of Meridian and ACHD. Ar~one desiring accommodation for disabilities rela~~d ta; documents and / or hearings, please, contact the Administrative Office of ACHD at 387-6100 at last 48 hours prior fo the public meeting. • • June 23, 2006 MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING June 27, 2006 APPLICANT ITEM NO. Jr-/~ REQUEST Approve Minutes of April 3, 2006 City Council / ACHD Special Joint Meeting AGENCY COMMENTS CITY CLERK: CITY ENGINEER: CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: CITY ATTORNEY CITY POLICE DEPT: CITY FIRE DEPT: CITY BUILDING DEPT: ~ ~/ CITY WATER DEPT: V CITY SEWER DEPT: /~ CITY PARKS DEPT: (/~ MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: SANITARY SERVICE COMPANY CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: SETTLERS IRRIGATION: IDAHO POWER: US WEST: INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: MERIDIAN POST OFFICE: OTHER: Contacted: Date: Phone: Emailed: Staff Initials: Materials prevented at p~lic meelinps shall become properly of fhe City of Meridian. • Meridian City Council /ACHD Comm. Special Joint Meeting April 3, 2006 The Meridian City Council Special Joint Meeting was called to order at 12:00 P.M. on Monday, April 3, 2006 at the ACRD Auditorium by Ada County Commissioner President John Franden. Members Present: Mayor Tammy de Weerd, Keith Bird. Staff Present: Bill Nary, Steve Siddoway, Matt Ellsworth and Will Berg. ACRD Commissioners Present: John Franden, Rebecca Arnold, David Bivens and Carol McKee. Franden: I think we all know each other, but maybe we should - we will introduce each other just to refresh memories and then people that are in the audience - so I will start with Rebecca. Arnold: Rebecca Arnold of ACRD. De Weerd: Mayor De Weerd, City of Meridian. Bird: Keith Bird, City Council, City of Meridian. Bivens: Dave Bivens, ACRD Commissioner. McKee: Carol McKee, ACHD Commissioner. Franden: John Franden, ACRD. De Weerd: Mr. Chairman. Franden: Yes, ma'am. De Weerd: I apologize for our lack of representation here. One of our Council members was gone all week last week and so he must not have had this on his radar screen and another Council member is on a safari in South Africa and Councilman Rountree is probably sitting at (inaudible) or someone, hopefully following that GARVEE process. So, I apologize. I don't know where they are, but you have the best of it. Franden: I know and (inaudible). Okay, why don't we -let's start off with the agenda and the first thing on it is the Ten Mile Interchange Specific Area Plan. Your selves and ITD and I don't know how we would like to do that -Steve? i • Meridian City Council /ACHD Special Joint Meeting April 3, 2006 Page 2 of 15 Item 1. Ten Mile Interchange Specific Area Plan/GARVEE Siddoway: Where would you like me? Franden: Probably up at the microphone, please. Siddoway: I believe this item is two fold. One part from the City of Meridian to tell you about our efforts on the specific area plan and partially from ITD as an update on the Ten Mile Interchange itself. But, I wanted to make sure that the Ada County Highway District was aware of the fact that the city is about ready to release an RFP for a Ten Mile Interchange Specific Area Plan. That specific area plan looks at the area around the interchange and has four specific components. One is land use. One is transportation. One is a market analysis and the fourth is some basic design guidelines for that area. The transportation component of that plan includes - we would like to look at access management along Ten Mile at least between the freeway and Franklin and figure out how we limit the number of access points to Ten Mile to keep the traffic flowing in that area, which means that we need to take a look at the - at least the collector level road system in that area. This whole thing is still just unfolding. What we would like to do is request ACHD staff report on our Steering Committee in developing that portion of the plan and just wanted to make sure that everyone was on the table up front and early that is something that we would like to do and have ACHD's involvement on. So, with that I will stand for any questions or discussion on that. Franden: Questions for Steve? (Inaudible discussion) Franden: Actually that was my question is our staff being involved? It sounds like you are looking at a mile north and a mile south right now of the freeway? Siddoway: Yeah, we are looking -the basic boundaries of what we are proposing to the study is from Linder Road to McDermott and from the railroad tracks on the north down to below Victory on the south, so it is a larger area that we want to take a look at a finer grain at the land uses and how that matches with the transportation system in that area. Franden: Well, speaking for the Commission and staff that we appreciate that and really want to be involved with you and help in anyway we can. (Inaudible discussion) Franden: Steve, anything from ITD - or Katie? • Meridian City Council / ACHD Special Joint Meeting April 3, 2006 Page 3 of 15 Levihn: We had invited ITD and we have the ITD project manager for the Locust Grove Overpass here, but they had just emailed me that hopefully Councilman Rountree would be able to attend and tell us the updates and he is not here. I think Mayor De Weerd is right and he is off following that down at (inaudible). I can tell you that regarding the interchange we are in preliminary discussions with ITD about cooperating with them to get that whole area done because the logical termini on the project for the interchange goes all the way from Overland to Franklin. We have got work scheduled at the Ten Mile and Franklin Interchange for next year and we are in discussions with them about how to coordinate that, pay for it, jointly work together whether it should be part of their project or kept separately. At the moment the tentative way we are going is we are proceeding along with doing that intersection at Ten Mile and Franklin to a seven by seven to accommodate the interchange as part of our Ten Mile, Franklin to the north project there. They do agree that it would be most useful to have that intersection completed before the interchange work begins because of traffic routing around there. So, that is tentatively the way we are heading. On the south end at Ten Mile and Overland, there is a possibility they will pick up and do that work with the interchange. It is so close and because of the interchange going in the - we just had a meeting last week that they are going to have to raise the road five feet and it has got that big dip to the south so there is going to be a large - it looks like there is going to be a large amount of fill going in there and you know pretty significant work on that interchange. So, we are in discussions with them about who is going to do that, when and how. I know the interchange is in the TIP for 2008, the STIP. Behind the scenes everyone thinks that that is a bit optimistic, but they are pushing for that and that is the latest that I can tell you at the moment. Franden: Katie, that would be to begin construction, would be '08? Levihn: Right. That is when it is scheduled for beginning a construction, but of course there is all the environmental and right of way that has to be done first and it is - we will see, it is a very, very accelerated schedule to get that done. Franden: When it does start though -how long would it take and then the other question I had was how many acres of land does it take to build an intersection like that? Levihn: An interchange -you know what those are very interesting. I would like to get back to you on that. I don't know. I haven't seen which final design their planning for that or even a preliminary final design for that interchange. I know there is a number of configurations that were considered, President Franden. I am not sure that they have even selected one yet. I think they have to go through the full environmental and alternatives analysis before they can do that. I am not sure where they are on it. Franden: Thanks. • Meridian City Council / ~D Special Joint Meeting April 3, 2006 Page 4 of 15 Levihn: Okay? Franden: Okay. Anything else on that subject? No. Levihn: And staff would be very happy to work with the City of Meridian on their area plan. That was one other thing I wanted to mention. Last week in the discussions with ITD, they were requesting, you know, no access half a mile north and half a mile south of the interchange, so those issues of access control are being considered and will have to figure that all out between the three of us how that is all going to work in there. Okay? Franden: Okay, thanks Katie, Steve. Update on Locust Grove Alignment and Overpass. Mr. Kuperus? Item 2. Update on Locust Grove Alignment & Overpass Kuperus: Madame Mayor, Commissioners, Councilmen. I am Dale Kuperus. I am the project coordinator for the Locust Grove Overpass. Since our last meeting where we gave you another update on it, we have gotten our agreement with the Union Pacific Railroad. So, that is done and we are working on getting our agreements with Settler's Irrigation District and Nampa Meridian Irrigation District. Those are the two outstanding items on Locust Grove between Franklin and Fairview. On the overpass project, we are getting our agreement with Nampa Meridian as well as working through some items that ITD is requiring on the final plan set before it goes out to bid. ITD has told us that it will probably be a three to three and one half months once everything is turned into headquarters before they will bid the job. So, it will probably be this summer before they are starting construction out there. Franden: I know there is somebody from ITD - Kuperus: This is Tom Haines. Franden: Hi Tom. Tom, anything that you would like to add to what Dale has said at all? Haines: It is about three and one half months before we will have a contract signed -that is the estimate -from the time when I turn in everything that Dale gives me to ITD Headquarters. I have got a lot of the periphery stuff that needs to be done before that can be submitted or started and making progress on those items. Franden: Questions for either one of them? Bird: I have got a question, please, Mr. Chairman. Meridian City Council / ACHD Special Joint Meeting April 3, 2006 Page 5 of 15 Franden: Keith. Bird: For the ITD -with this delay and stuff -well, how much of an override do you guys - I read in the paper the other day that you was afraid that the cost was going to be quite exhorbitant from what you have got set aside for that overpass. You know every month construction costs go up. Why would it take three and one half months to get a contract if you started your bidding out right now? Haines: If I got everything to headquarters today, it takes them about two or three weeks to get the proposal out for bidding -that is making the prints, assembling the solicitation. I don't know how much of that is going to be done on CD, but we can save a lot of money that way. Additionally, with a contract of this size, we are talking about at least a six week period for contractors to prepare their bids and then once the bids are open, we get through the period of if there is going to be protests we have the time to check out bonds, requests bonds, check them out and accept them, get the contract prepared, get it all signed and it just is taking that long for the big projects and it just does. (Inaudible discussion) Franden: Okay, the question I had was will both projects be done simultaneously working at the same time? Haines: We anticipate they will be. There shouldn't be too much conflict between the two of them. And I have been talking to city staff about getting a letter from the city saying that they will take over maintenance of the streetlights on the structure and the energy costs. So, that is working through its process. I talked to Vickie this morning about that. Franden: Steve. Siddoway: The timeline on the road project, Franklin and Fairview - is the RFQ on that one out or soon to go out or what is the --? Haines: The RFQ? Siddoway: Oh, I am sorry, the contract. Haines: The contract --? Siddoway: The contract? Haines: As soon as I get those two agreements from the irrigation districts, it is ready to go. It will probably - I am anticipating a May timeframe. Franden: In our lifetime. Katie. Meridian City Council / A• Special Joint Meeting April 3, 2006 Page 6 of 15 Levihn: Yes, President Franden and Councilman Bird, the funding is definitely an interesting question as we are seeing all those costs go up high. ACHD is responsible for securing all of the funding over and above the 2.7 million that ITD has put into it and this project has been funded, you know, with your contribution for some of the right of way and with general funds and then also with STP urban funds and we have another balancing meeting coming up April 13th at which I am shuffling dollars around to get another 1.2 million for the overpass because the costs have been going up so high - we had it in there at, I think it was about 5.7 million and now we are expecting it to be closer to 7 million, so we are working on that. (Speaker unknown): Katie, is that impact, project impact fee eligible? Levihn: The overpass is not because it is not on our system. (Speaker unknown): But, the other part is? Levihn: The other roadway is, yes. Bird: Just from Franklin to Fairview, right, Katie? Levihn: Correct. I would have to defer to Mr. Inselman if you wanted to know exactly how much or go look it up in my chart, but -now we are hoping that it is not above 7 million total, that is for construction and construction engineering, but we are working on it. Bird: Thanks. Franden: Anything else? (Speaker unknown): The numbers are staggering, aren't they? De Weerd: Well, Mr. Chair, I guess I am appreciating local government and that means city government more and more all the time -seeing the timeframes that you guys deal with would just be frustrating at best. I know Councilman Bird was part of the discussions in the Locust Grove Overpass with ITD and ACHD and making the decision to put the city's money to it and certainly we would have had no clue that this would be the timeframe and we know that you have been a huge advocate for it and appreciate that. But, it is very frustrating for our community to see the process on both the Locust Grove Overpass and maybe even the Ten Mile Interchange and how long it takes to get such a critical infrastructure improvement in our community that just is struggling with the two interchanges we have and one overpass. We are just really deficit in those kinds of improvements and I don't envy your jobs. It would be extremely frustrating and from the outsider we don't want to be our own road department. You guys are Meridian City Council / A~D Special Joint Meeting April 3, 2006 Page 7 of 15 doing fine, but you know it is frustrating. It is frustrating as local officials and it's frustrating for our citizens as well. Franden: You know along that line, what it makes me think about is how important it is for us to decide whether the projects will be years out, so that as we move ahead we can be committed to projects and not try and change them at the last minute. That can really throw a wrench into everything. But, you are right. It does, it takes a long time to get these things done, all the way from planning to land acquisitions to then having the dollars into place -out searching for whatever -- another how many million dollars. So, it can be frustrating. Okay, thank you very much. Gary? Item 3. Update on Split Corridor Inselman: Mr. President, Mayor, Council, Commissioners I am the Project Coordinator for the Meridian Split Corridor. We are just out to get started on that. I have a very brief update since our customer proposal has just closed last Thursday, we will spend the next week or two reviewing them and hope to have the contract for design, hopefully by the end of this month so we can get underway and start reporting some progress to you. Franden: Gary, how long do you think design should take? Inselman: That I don't know. We are hoping less than a year. Franden: Will you do a complete design for the whole split corridor project or --? Inselman: Mr. President, no, this will be for Phase 1 only, which will take us from the main Meridian intersection to Franklin and then Phase 2 will follow in a few years. Franden: Questions for Mr. Inselman? De Weerd: Mr. Chair. Franden: Mayor. De Weerd: I guess just a tongue and cheek comment - we designed that intersection so many times you should have it done right. I mean - Inselman: That is right. The third time is a charm. Franden: You haven't changed any land use in there have you? Bird: We didn't know what Comprehensive Plan was when they started designing this. • Meridian City Council / ALHD Special Joint Meeting April 3, 2006 Page 8 of 15 Bivens: Wasn't that stagecoach still going to Murphy at that time? Bird: I think they did drive those things through there. De Weerd: Definitely before I was born. Franden: Steve, did you have a comment? Siddoway: Yes, thank you, Mr. Franden. What Gary didn't say and what I wanted to make a point of today is that ACRD has moved this design up a full year from what was just recently adopted in the five year program, so a public thank you to ACHD for moving the project forward ahead of schedule and it is something that I just wanted to say publicly. So, thank you very much. Inselman: Thanks. We could slow that down if you wanted to. De Weerd: No, I think when I started on Council it was to have developed three years before. (Inaudible discussion) Franden: Anything else on that? No, okay. Next item, Mr. Brokaw. Item 4. Update on Waltman Temporary Access Brokaw: Mr. President, Council and Mayor I am Mike Brokaw, the Deputy Director of Operations. This is where we are going to discuss or just update you on another access into the subdivision to the west on Waltman. Last winter the maintenance crews installed two gates. One at where Muskogee, I guess it is there and another one up on Waltman and cleared all of the brush and installed a culvert, I believe at about the midpoint in there and right now we are just waiting for the weather to clear and things dry out in there and hopefully in a couple of days or two or three days they can get in there and finish the work so that we have this temporary access. I believe this was requested by the Fire Department or someone at the City of Meridian. Anyway, that is where we are at. Franden: Questions for Mike? De Weerd: Oh, Mr. Chair, you know we hate to keep giving you positive comments, but I just appreciate this. This has been a safety issue and concern for a long time with the number of houses in that area, their only access is out on Linder and this gives them a secondary emergency route and we sure appreciate it. We have been -and thanks to Steve Siddoway, fortunately, this land changed owners and we were able to gain an access, so again it just underscores how we all need to work together to make some of this happen. I appreciate your help. i Meridian City Council / A~i-iD Special Joint Meeting April 3, 2006 Page 9 of 15 Brokaw: You are welcome and thank you. Item 5. Report on Linder/Ustick Public Information Meeting Franden: Mr. Quintana? Quintana: Commissioners, Mayor, Council members, here is a little run down of what came out of the Linder Ustick intersection at a public information meeting that we held last month. This isn't to imply that smog is coming that was just done so that the words show up better, so Charles no worries. We had 88 people come to our public information meeting, which we had at Sawtooth Middle School. I was feeling pretty good about that number until I went back into the files and looked at how many invites I sent out and it was 6,026. So, for those keeping score that is a 1.4 percent rate of return, which ~iriends in these direct mailing industries told me is pretty good, but I prefer to use a different yardstick than the one they do. A 3 million dollar project set for fiscal 2008 and it is tentatively planned to include -meaning this is what we .showed people at the public information meeting. Reconstruction and widening of the intersection to five lanes in each direction - a five by five in our lingo. Signalization -badly needed signalization, I might add. Through classic, good scheduling my kids had a basketball practice at River Valley Elementary that night so I had to leave the public information meeting and get slightly across town, take them to the River Valley and then try and get back to this public information meeting and really it only took three whole days. But, getting through that intersection at rush hour is a bear and people were telling each other they were number one, not often with that digit. So, obviously this area is in need of help -curbs, gutter, sidewalk, seven foot attached and an expansion of the existing bridge over at Five Mile Creek. The Commission authorizes kind of a project contingency to put in - to get the right of way and potentially put in some temporary asphalt, pathways/sidewalk for the area north of the intersection to Sawtooth. We are confident at this point and Mr. Inselman tells us what we have got coming online that we won't need to do that -that development will beat us to the punch, but in case it doesn't, we are prepared to run some (inaudible) on a sidewalk or pathway in that area. It won't be blue. I was having a Miami Vice flashback, apparently when I put that together. The comments that we got back from the public are generally favorable -pedestrian safety and an earlier completion date definitely were some of the requests we were hearing from folks. A number of them said that we weren't building a big enough project. A five by five meaning, two through lanes in each direction and a center turn or left hand movements was not enough. So, armed with that, we had to agree. We are looking at adding dedicated right turn lanes on the Ustick legs where the heavy north, south demand comes into play and that was mentioned in the North Meridian Study. Just to be upfront with you we just kind of flat missed it and so that is kind of a validation of going out to the public and getting that feedback because we needed to hear it. Although people were telling us they wanted that touching to all four legs and so we are also taking a fresh look at the Linder legs. Maybe not Meridian City Council / ~D Special Joint Meeting • April 3, 2006 Page 10 of 15 quite as much demand because you know you are not talking a river crossing and the only river crossing in quite some time. But, still .looking at the Capital Improvements Program that Mr. Inselman is setting up, we are also going to take a fresh look at those to see if we need those dedicated rights on those legs. It may end up that we need the rights on all four. Along with the contingency plan for asphalt up to Sawtooth, we are looking at adding sidewalk or pathway on the west side of Linder, south of the intersection. That wilt give us connectivity for people to get to Turtle Creek up to Sawtooth and what seemed to be in line with some of the recreational plans for the area. Anticipation of schedule, winter of '07 and beginning '08 for the wet work -road work to begin in the summer after school is out and that is about six months bringing us to around August. Project is timed to be in advance of Linder Road, Franklin to Ustick, which is easy to do at this point because it does not have a scheduled date, so as long as we get it done, you know, in the next several years will be okay, I guess. Just to give you an update on that, checking with Katie's troops, likely to break into the five year work program soon to get a scheduled date. The outside date for construction would be around 2015. Here is the extra credit, seeing how we are talking schools. Sawtooth is likely to get full school crossing treatment this summer, which would include the dual flashing lights, the one over the other alternating that lets people know that that school zone is in affect. Right now it is the signage that, you know, I think I have been through there and I think it is -when children are present? Who knows when children are present, it leaves too much discretion or it puts too much of an onus on the driver to know when the children are going to be present and we agree with law enforcement that that can be (inaudible) quite a bit and those flashing signals help that. Also a crosswalk in the middle of a wider speed zone because the situation now is not great. The reason why we can virtually guarantee that what is going to happen in the summer is that Sawtooth actually came out as our number one school on our listing that we do every year for -first these kind of crossings around schools, which looks at the number of pedestrians, the vehicle volume and the speed that play and all those combined to make Sawtooth -unofficially at this point, but likely to be our number one priority for the upcoming year. Also, I guess in this section of Linder north of Ustick with the anticipated or more than anticipated, expected development to occur between now and next fall, we are confident that the sidewalk is going to be filled in all the way from McMillan to Ustick. So, that is going to be quite the improvement also. With that we would like to throw some of those kind vibes back toward the City of Meridian and thank you for the policy as we go on in the future of requiring that first stage of the development to install the sidewalk along the adjoining arterials. I think this will - we are up to believe that that will really help us out and not have another issue where we have a school like Sawtooth open up and that pedestrian connectivity could be a real issue. That is all folks. Franden: Okay, questions for Craig? • Meridian City Council /ACRD Special Joint Meeting April 3, 2006 Page 11 of 15 Bird: Mr. Chair, I just want to thank you guys at ACRD for jumping on this and you know like everything else we wish it was going this year, but jumping on it as quick as you did because I feel that that is one big safety hazard out there. Thank you guys very much for (inaudible--). We appreciate it. Bivens: I attended that public information meeting very briefly, but a couple of things that I bumped into and I don't know whether that occurred or not later, but one of the major concerns I have is why are we just doing the intersection? Why don't we do all of Linder all at once and we have it tore up once and get it all over with? I don't know whether you run into the same thing or not (inaudible) the fact that the public probably doesn't have the whole picture from (inaudible) all the things that have to go in to making one of these projects and to get it put together. I don't know whether that was a theme from many or was that just scattered one or two? Quintana: That was a handful of folks that said that they want all of Linder or all of Ustick done and that is fairly common. Most of the comments were directed at the intersection. Franden: Okay, anything else? Bivens: Obviously, that will be a tremendous improvement and I remember meeting in your office with Dave and you and that was the number one priority of getting that intersection because I have been through it and it is one of the worst on that road, I believe and it takes forever to get to all of those - De Weerd: Mr. Chair. You know I guess Steve had put together a map that has shown where a lot of the new schools in our district are in the North Meridian area and we are very concerned that we will create the same situation again and so he did put that and then we were able to take a look at it and require first phase requirements of installing the sidewalks. Recently we had another application come in where we have a middle school kind of kitty corner, plus one parcel that was undeveloped and we were requiring an offsite improvement to get a pathway to the intersection so -that they could cross. Certainly, that is where that I got the former Canyon County Commissioner, Todd Lakey as he came in as their attorney to maybe make a statement that offsite improvements shouldn't be required. But, our Council's stance is we are required to assure safety and if they want their -certainly, we are not in any hurry to approve development that is going to create a safety issue. So, we do have a group of elected councilman that are willing to make a stand as well in making sure that infrastructure is there to assure the safety. Certainly, those kids -that is not their home school, they would be almost across the street from a middle school and they were required to go somewhere else. But, you know the grass is very green and that is where they are going to play so you can't tell me that the kids from that subdivision would not be going to that middle school. So, that requirement stood and they volunteered very rapidly to put it in there so they could get Meridian City Council / ACHD Special Joint Meeting April 3, 2006 Page 12 of 15 approval. So, we are trying to work with the Highway District to make sure that we get those improvements in since it doesn't seem like anyone is quite responsible for sidewalks and one other note, right now we are updating our impact fee ordinance to look at safety services as they relate to impact fees. But, we have included investigation on sidewalks. Since you do not charge impact fees on sidewalks, can we as a city start assessing that? So, we are trying to also be a part of the solution and work together with your staff to make sure these things happen. Franden: Okay, Katie? Item 6. Status Report on FY06 Design & Projects in Meridian Levihn: I hope you can read all of this. I made it big. I thought we were going to make it through the whole meeting without another handout. I didn't make it fancy. It is just plain black and white. But, you had asked for an update on currently underway design and acquisition projects in the area and this lists it for you just to kind of quick walk it through. It is divided into design in the top and in the bottom. Projects listed in bold and underneath it and you will see the estimated completion date. That is for the design portion or the portion and then the currently programmed construction year, project costs and some notes. So, I don't know if you want me to walk these through or do you just want to look at them or ask for specific ones. We have got them listed here for you. I will say the construction year is the fiscal year, so that -you just heard Craig mention the Ustick and Linder intersection, which is the second from the bottom at design. Construction you are showing 2008. It will begin in late 2007 because our fiscal year begins on October 1St Franden: Katie maybe we could just ask you about specific ones if we have them? Levihn: Sure and I probably will draw in the audience. Franden: I will start off. I had a question. Yesterday I was on Franklin between Touchmark and Five Mile and the question that went through my mind is are we in the City of Boise there or the City of Meridian? Bird: A quarter mile west of Cloverdale, you are in Meridian. So, from Touchmark - Franden: -- to Five Mile - Bird: -- to Five Mile, you are only in maybe a quarter mile of Meridian, maybe a half s mile. Franden: Okay. Meridian City Council / ACHD Special Joint Meeting April 3, 2006 Page 13 of 15 De Weerd: Mr. Chairman. Franden: Mayor. De Weerd: The Meadow Lake Village, Touchmark goes -that is the boundary between those two vicinities. Franden: Oh, so their project actually - it almost starts on the edge of Meridian and goes into Boise? De Weerd: Yeah, they took the improvements at Touchmark as the City of Meridian and that is where those road improvements pretty much ended. Levihn: I would like to caution you on -under those design projects, the third and fourth one, both of those Franklin Roads, those are STP urban, federal funding projects and with all of the - we have already touched on this topic, but with all of the rising costs I am anticipating going to this balancing meeting and probably having to delay some projects in the out year in order to fund other ones that are farther up and we try not to do that, but we are talking significant dollar amounts that construction costs have gone up from when we programmed those projects. So, the design is not such a huge cost, but then we have to be able to program the amounts and followed on by the construction. We have got about 15 federally funded projects in the pipeline and when one either delays or advances or the costs go up, it tends to affect all the others, so I will have to bring you an update on where those projects end up with the funding. Franden: You know that makes me think about another thing - I was looking at this list. Jay Schweitzer and I were talking the other day and Jay got some people together, but there is a tremendous amount of construction that is going on in the all over, but south of the freeway is one example and then other areas throughout the county. I don't know how we might address that other than just to let you know that if you hear from constituents or people, I mean, it is all the way from construction work that we might be doing to water companies, to sewer to other utilities that is taking place because of the growth we have and it is just impacting us all in so many different areas. Levihn: You are right Commissioner Franden, we get an awful lot of calls about how come we are - a word that begins with "I", such idiots to schedule all of these things and of course half the time they are sewer or water projects or developer projects that we don't schedule and then we are also hit with, if we run into a delay on a project and we have another project in the area trying to schedule that and wrap the traffic around. It is a difficult issue. De Weerd: Mr. Chairman. Franden: Mayor. Meridian City Council /ACRD Special Joint Meeting April 3, 2006 Page 14 of 15 De Weerd: What kind of communications do go out in terms of trying to do - I know that the best example I could have is Black Cat and the joint project of ACHD and our sewer -can those happen more often? It is just a shame to see an overlay on Ustick and finally you have some kind of semblance of a balance road and now it is back to wavy again. It just drives you nuts driving down Ustick. I hope, Craig, you had that experience. I love it when you have to come into our area. But, if -can that be better coordinated between our agencies? Levihn: President Franden and Mayor De Weerd, we would love to do that. We are just trying to - we are making a big push to emphasize our planning a lot better. One of the concerns we do have is better interaction with those utility projects that come along. Now some of them happen so quickly, I know we were just asked last year by the City of Boise, could we do all of Cloverdale Road, essentially from the Freeway to Chinden because they are going to put in a main sewer trunk extension and we cannot respond that quickly. I mean, it just takes too much time to design acquired the and get ready for the construction, so we spotted a couple of areas where we can work with them primarily through the intersections. We will be looking much better for coordination with the cities and sewer and water districts about what they have in their long range plans and trying to work our projects with it and it is just an excellent, excellent suggestion. We would like to do that. De Weerd: I guess that is where you would have the distance between our timeframes and yours? Certainly, we have to respond a little bit quicker. Steve, you have certainly a more onerous process - Levihn: But if we know that you have got a trunk line that you want to extend sometime in the next five to ten years, we can often try to couple those projects together. Do you think that far or are you just thinking next year? De Weerd: (Inaudible--) a 20-year plan, but it's been accomplished in ten. Levihn: Ten, yeah, I know. That is what we were facing. It is very difficult then to try and coordinate them, but we would love to keep the dialogue open. Franden: Anything else? Okay, any other items that we need to put on the agenda? No? 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