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Rohm: There are people leaving, but I did have one final comment that I wanted
to make that any of the decisions that are made by this body can be appealed by
the -- either the public or the applicant, so if the applicant didn't like the fact that
we excluded their request for revision, they can appeal. If the public didn't like
our conclusions, they can appeal as well. So, with that being said we are done
with that project. Thanks for coming in.
Item 7: Continued Public Hearing from August 2, 2007: AZ 06-063
Request for Annexation and Zoning of 38.68 acres from RUT and
R-1 zones to C-G zones for Waltman Property by Waltman, LLC -
505, 521, 615 and 675 Waltman Lane:
Rohm: All right. Okay. At this time I'd like to open Public Hearing -- continued
Public Hearing from August 2nd, 2007, of AZ 06-063 for the sole purpose of
continuing to the regularly scheduled meeting of December 20th, 2007.
Newton-Huckabay: So moved.
O'Brien: Second.
Rohm: It's been moved and seconded to continue the Public Hearing of AZ 06-
063 to the regularly scheduled meeting of December 20th, 2007. All those in
favor say aye. Opposed same sign? Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Item 8: Public Hearing: RZ 07-015 Request for a Rezone of .28 of an
acre from an R-8 residential zone to an O-T zone for 6th and
Broadway Property by Linda Loehr - 532 E. Broadway Avenue:
Rohm: At this time I'd like to open the Public Hearing on RZ 06-015 related to
6th and Broadway property and begin with the staff report.
Parsons: Thank you, Mr. Chair, Members of the Commission. The application
before you is a request to rezone .28 acres from R-8 medium density residential
to OT, Old Town, for the existing residence at 532 East Broadway Avenue. The
subject site is located in the northwest corner of East Broadway Avenue and 6th
Street. Indicated on the map here. There is Broadway and 6th Street. To the
north and east of the property are single family homes zoned R-8 and RUT Ada
County. To the west are existing four-plexes zoned R-8 in Old Town. The parcel
to the south is vacant and zoned I-L. So, these are existing single family
residences, Ada County. Some duplexes here. And, then, that's vacant
industrial -- zoned industrial. The applicant is requesting the subject property
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be rezoned so a new two story four-plex can be constructed on the site. If the
subject rezone is approved, the existing single family residence on this site will
be demolished to make way for the new proposed development. Under current
code multi-family developments are not permitted within the R-8 zoning district.
The OT zoning district allows multi-family development as a principally permitted
use. A certificate of zoning compliance will be required prior to the construction
of the multi-family development. If the proposed development does not meet the
design guidelines, it will be subject to a Conditional Use Permit. The applicant
has provided staff with elevations for the proposed four-flex. Here is kind of a
site plan here. I'm going to skip ahead to the elevations and, then, go back to the
site plan, because we have some -- although this is a rezone and we are not
really looking at the elevations in this -- we still want to make it where we can
kind of show you what's going to be proposed in the future on this site. Staff is
recommending some changes to the elevations in the site plan to insure
compliance with the downtown design guidelines. If the following changes are
made -- are not made, the applicant may need a Conditional Use Permit to
construct afour-plex on this site. Staff believes that the building should shift five
feet -- now I will go back up here. Staff believes that the building should shift five
feet to the south to allow more turning radius into the rear of the -- into the rear
parking off the alley. So, right now it's kind of hard to see on this map, but as a
requirement for developing this site the applicant will have to add curbing and
sidewalk and so that's what you're seeing here in the light blue. Staff is asking
the applicant -- or recommending the applicant shift the building five feet all the
way to the property line and staff feels that what that would allow them to do is --
since this is only 16 feet and standard parking stalls are nine by 19, that would
give the residents that -- the future residents living here the opportunity to get in
and out of the alley, a little easier access there. So, that's one of the changes we
are proposing. Parking stalls three and four should be relocated towards the
alley to provide future tenants more common area, align these parking stalls with
other parking stalls. So, basically, we are asking that if this building here shifts to
the south, shift these two end units which are labeled unit one and unit four to
that property line along the sidewalk as well. Give you some variation in the
building, give you some articulation, but what that would also allow you to do is
shift an additional parking stall here, shift these two parking stalls back here, and
this would open it up for more common open space for the residents living in the
development. Staff is recommending approval of this rezone from R-8 to OT, as
stated in the staff report. This concludes my presentation. I'd be happy to
answer any questions the Commission may have.
Rohm: Okay. Thank you very much. Appreciate the presentation. Any
questions of staff?
Moe: I have none.
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Newton-Huckabay: Mr. Chair?
Rohm: Commissioner Newton-Huckabay.
Newton-Huckabay: Bill, which were the two units you were suggesting move
forward? You were just looking for building modulation; right?
Parsons: There is two things why we think this works better. This is unit one and
this is labeled unit four.
Newton-Huckabay: Okay.
Parsons: If we -- if they shift these units down here, leave these two the same,
shift these here, right to the sidewalk to property line, so to speak, that would
allow one of these parking stalls that come over here and, then, you wouldn't
have this parking right along the sidewalk. It would actually be safer and this
building could also provide some screening to the rear parking of the facility. I'd
like to mention, too, that all these parking spots are going to be covered, too.
Covered carport parking. So, that's -- these are the two units that we are
recommending shift forward.
Rohm: I guess I'm interested what the applicant has to say, so -- Commissioner
O'Brien, do you have --
O'Brien: Yeah. I have one question. As has happened in so many other
residences in the Old Town area, could this in a future time, with the discretion of
the owner, change over to a different zoning, like light office or something like
that, without having to go through a rezone or a -- another -- I guess being able
to change it without going through any hearings or anything?
Parsons: Mr. Chairman, Commissioner O'Brien, certainly Old Town has a lot of
standards that are principally permitted in there and I believe office use is -- it
would have to come in for a CZC --
O'Brien: Okay.
Parsons: -- to establish that use on the site if it was exchanged to go back from
residential.
O'Brien: Okay. Thank you.
Parsons: You're welcome.
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Rohm: Would the applicant like to come forward, please. And, please, state
your name and address for the record.
Loehr: My name is Linda Loehr and my home address -- you want my home
address or the --
Rohm: Yes. That would be fine. Home address.
Loehr: 843 West Creekberry, Meridian, Idaho.
Rohm: Thank you.
Loehr: And I have my representative here to talk for me.
Rohm: Oh, well, then --
Loosli: Dennis Loosli with Moose Creek Builders. Address is 1220 North
Meridian Road, Suite B, Meridian, Idaho. I guess one of the questions (have --
the carports you were talking to the west -- northwest, you wanted them to be
moved where? To there --
Parsons: Yeah. Shifted back towards the alley, yes. If you shift unit one here
and move the parking back a little bit, that will allow you to get one of the parking
stalls there, so you wouldn't have it right along the property line and, then, you
could shift these down here and, then, that would open that up for more open
space for the residents.
Loosli: I'm thinking. That would be fine. I don't see a problem with that. Making
the alterations from moving the two end buildings farther to the street I think is
also a good idea. That will give it some more character. So, I don't see a
problem with that. Was there any questions?
Rohm: I guess if you're in agreement with the staff -- basically, then, you're in
agreement with the staff report?
Loosli: Yeah. That would be fine.
Rohm: Okay.
Moe: Mr. Chairman, just one other thing. Have you reviewed the ACHD report
that came out on the 1st of October, as far as just more or less their guidelines
and whatnot that you're going to need to --
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Loosli: Yes.
Moe: -- standards and whatnot? Okay.
Loosli: Yes, I have.
Moe: I won't ask your opinion of that. I pretty much got that.
Rohm: Okay. Is there anything -- okay.
Moe: Okay. Let's see. Where am I?
Rohm: At this time would John Cole like to come forward.
Cole: Commissioner, staff, I am a --
Rohm: Please state your name and address for the record.
Coles: Oh. John Cole. 614 East Idaho. I am one block away from the proposed
rezoning. I feel -- and I have two letters to submit to the Commission also.
Rezoning to OT would allow the multi-use -- multi-family building. I feel that it
should be denied, because we don`t -- that -- that small patch of ground is a one
family chunk of ground when it was originally plotted out years and years ago.
We don't need more multi-family dwellings in that area. The two four-plexes that
are to the west of that, that is more than ample. I question why they were put
there anyway. But that was way before I came to Meridian. Minimum a duplex in
that spot on the corner of 6th and Broadway. The owner has already stated that
this is a money making obligation and he plans to sell it within eve years. That's
not good -- you know, to me that doesn't look -- bode well to a -- to a resident that
has built and purchased a home a block away, great, we get another rundown,
dilapidated place to look at. 6th Street also -- 6th Street is a half street. Adding
the additional traffic of four units, potentially eight cars, would put stress on 6th
Street and on Idaho Street.
Newton-Huckabay: Mr. Cole?
Cole: Yes.
Newton-Huckabay: Could you point out your property on the map for me?
Rohm: There is a --
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Newton-Huckabay: There should be a pointer.
Rohm: -- infrared pointer right --
Cole: Okay. That will work.
Rohm: There is a infrared pointer on the -- and you just push the button.
Cole: I'm going to be right there. Exactly. Right there.
Newton-Huckabay: Okay.
Cole: I'm -- I'm the first lot east of 6th Street.
Newton-Huckabay: And you're on the end of Idaho?
Cole: Yes.
Newton-Huckabay: Okay.
Cole: 6th Street alongside the project, that's -- that's a narrow street. That's a
half street. If the plan allows for curb and gutter -- or curb and sidewalk, excuse
me. Curb and sidewalk, are they going to -- that's going to take up even
additional property in the lot that they are going to stuff afour-plex in. And I'm
sorry for the use of that word, but it's going to take a shoehorn to get it in there.
A duplex -- cut it in half. This is -- this is the reason that I wish to go to the
negative to this -- may I --
Rohm: Absolutely.
Cole: The one letter is from my wife and I. The other letter is from the folks that
are just immediately to the west of me.
Rohm: I can tell you that it's -- your testimony is very much appreciated and
letters will be entered into the record. But we'd have to take a recess so that
each one of us could read the letters to -- my assessment is the letters, in
essence, say --
Cole: Exactly that.
Rohm: -- exactly what your testimony is.
Cole: That's too much building for that little space.
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Rohm: Okay. May I ask you -- are you aware or were you aware of the Old
Town designation within the City of Meridian?
Cole: Yes, sir.
Rohm: Okay. One of the -- one of the overall goals within the city is to allow for
concentration of development within that -- what is it, four blocks either side of
Main Street -- approximately four blocks either side and -- as opposed to having
an urban sprawl, if you will. The intent of having the Old Town is to get additional
concentration of the developments, so from a global perspective, not specific to
this project, but globally the City of Meridian supports bringing things into this
area and expanded use within the area of Old Town. But that's -- maybe that's --
maybe that's just for your own edification.
Cole: Right.
Moe: Mr. Cole, in your letter there is a point here I want to just -- your last
paragraph here you speak to the -- without notice or hearings with the
surrounding neighbors it will not benefit the City of Meridian. Was there no notice
on the property out there?
Cole: There was -- we were notified of the -- of the meeting tonight, yes.
Moe: Okay. Okay. So, I'm not sure what you meant by without notice.
Cole: Well, I didn't type the letter, my wife did when I was at work. So, I'm not
sure on that. So, anyway --
Moe: Thank you.
Cole: -- I appreciate your --
Rohm: Okay. Well, thanks for your testimony.
Cole: Thanks.
Rohm: There is nobody else that has signed up to testify to this application, but if
there is anyone else that would like to come forward, now is that time.
Baird: Mr. Chair, I don't want to delay things any further, but I think we need to
offer the applicant an opportunity to review the letters before they give their
rebuttal.
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Rohm: Absolutely. Let's just do that. We are going to take a ten minute break
and give the applicant an opportunity to read the letters as submitted by the
gentleman that just testified. We will reconvene at 8:15.
(Recess.)
Rohm: All right. At this time we'd like to continue the regularly scheduled
meeting of the Planning and Zoning Commission and would the applicant like to
come forward, please?
Loosli: I'd like to comment on a couple things the letters talk about. One was the
value. The building we are building (believe -- the appraisal that I had on it was
over 500,000 dollars. So, in comparing to values, I don't think we are going to be
degrading the value of the neighbofiood. As far as the appeal of the home -- or
the four-plex, I believe the structure and the looks of it would be as nice or nicer
than a majority of the homes in the area. As far as -- another thing he
commented about was the parking or the street access. We are actually
widening the street wider than it is now. In addition to that we are adding curb
and gutter, so the appeal there and we are also asphalting the alley as far as our
building goes. So, the concerns he had I don't believe have much merit.
Rohm: They have been addressed.
Loosli: Yeah.
Rohm: Okay. Thank you. Okay. Any additional discussion before we close the
public Hearing? Okay. Could I get a motion to close the Public Hearing?
Moe: So moved.
O'Brien: Second.
Rohm: It's been moved and seconded to close the Public Hearing on RZ 07-015.
All those in favor say aye. Opposed same sign? Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Rohm: Discussion? Commissioner Moe?
Moe: I have no opposition to the project. Basically, it's a principally permitted
use for Old Town and we have seen a few of these in the past and I think that as
long as the applicant's taking care of the items that staff wants to see changed,
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think things will be fine. They have made every point that they agree with the
staff report, so I would be in favor. End of my comments.
Rohm: Okay. Commissioner Newton-Huckabay.
Newton-Huckabay: I have no comment at this time.
Rohm: Okay. Commissioner O'Brien.
O'Brien: I think it's -- I think it's appropriate at this juncture. As far as -- I think it's
making an assumption and hopefully it's a wrong assumption, that because it's a
rental property that it's going to deteriorate and be lost to neglect, if you will.
don't know if there is anything -- I don't think this body can guarantee that or the
City of Meridian can guarantee that, but maybe the homeowners in the area can
address it if it comes up at the area it's going to degrade their property values
and I think that's something that's -- they can take care of themselves. So, as far
as I'm concerned I think it's -- it's a good project. I think they are going to do a
good job. I think they are going to have some amenities to the area, like the
street widening, that's going help it. So, those are my comments.
Rohm: Okay. Thank you much. Basically I'm in concurrence with the balance of
the Commission and certainly appreciate the testimony from --
Moe: Mr. Cole.
Rohm: -- Mr. Cole. I certainly do appreciate your testimony, but I believe that
this is going to be a good project for the city. So, with that being said, could we
get a motion to move forward?
Moe: Mr. Chairman, I move to recommend approval to the City Council of file
number RZ 07-015 as presented in the staff report for the hearing date of
October 4th, 2007. End of motion.
O'Brien: Second.
Rohm: It's been moved and seconded to forward onto City Council
recommending approval of RZ 07-015. All those in favor say aye. Opposed
same sign? Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Item 9: Public Hearing: AZ 07-011 Request for Annexation and Zoning of
6.84 acres from RUT to an R-4 Medium Low-Density Residential