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October 16, 2007
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De Weerd: Okay. Council?
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I move that we approve FP 07-030 for --and FP 07-031.
Rountree: Second.
De Weerd: Okay. I have a motion and a second to approve Items 9 and 10. Is there any
discussion? Mr. Berg.
Roll-Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, yea; Zaremba, yea; Borton, yea.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Item 11: Tabled from October 2, 2007: FP 07-032 Request for Final Plat
approval for 192 multi-family units on 48 building lots and 1 common lot on
13.99 acres in an R-15 zone for Canterbury Commons Subdivision by
Canterbury Commons, LLC -south of West Pine Avenue and east of
North Ten Mile Road:
De Weerd: Okay. Item 11 is tabled from October 2nd also requested to be continued.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I move we table FP 07-032 to October 23rd, 2007.
Zaremba: Second.
De Weerd: Okay. I have a motion and a second to continue Item 11. All those in favor
say aye. All ayes. Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Item 12: Continued Public Hearing from October 2, 2007: AZ 07-006 Request
for Annexation and Zoning of 94.69 acres from RUT to a C-G zone for
Pinebridcte by Stanley Consultants -south of East Fairview Avenue, east
of North Locust Grove Road and west of North Eagle Road: Request to
Continue Public Hearing to October 23, 2007
Item 13: Continued Public Hearing from October 2, 2007: RZ 07-010 Request
for a Rezone of 75.67 acres from I-L and L-O zones to a C-G zone for
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Pinebridge by Stanley Consultants -south of East Fairview Avenue, east
of North Locust Grove Road and west of North Eagle Road: Request to
Continue Public Hearing to October 23, 2007
Item 14: Continued Public Hearing from October 2, 2007: PP 07-008 Request
for Preliminary Plat approval of 61 building lots and 21 common lots on
170 +/- acres in a proposed C-G zone for Pinebridge by Stanley
Consultants -south of East Fairview Avenue, east of North Locust Grove
Road and west of North Eagle Road: Request to Continue Public
Hearing to October 23, 2007
Item 15: Continued Public Hearing from October 2, 2007: VAR 07-007 Request
for a Variance Application for two access points to North Eagle Road for
Pinebridge by Stanley Consultants -south of East Fairview Avenue, east
of North Locust Grove Road and west of North Eagle Road: Request to
Continue Public Hearing to October 23, 2007
De Weerd: Okay. Items 12, 13, 14 and 15 on Pinebridge, have also been requested to
continue to 10123. Next week is going to be a long meeting.
Bird: I was going to say that's --
Berg: That's my scheduled day off, isn't it?
De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor, I move we once again continue AZ 07-006, RZ 07-010, PP
07-008, and VAR 07-007, to our regularly scheduled meeting of October 23rd.
Rountree: Second.
De Weerd: Okay. I have a motion and a second to continue Items 12 through 15 to
10/23. All those in favor say aye. All ayes. Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Borton: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Yes.
Borton: In regards to that, that continuance -- this came up when we were doing the
agenda is this particular project's been continued three, maybe four times, for a variety
of reasons. Regardless of the reason why, there has been some discussion if at some
point we are going to require the applicants to renotice the property and kind of start
from scratch. We don't have a room full of people here who are, again, disappointed
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with another continuance, but it's not a policy that I think we should ignore. If people are
coming back and we continue it a week and, then, another week and another week and
another week -- at some point we might want to look into, you know, you get one or two
bites at the apple and, then, you're going to renotice, just to avoid the public missing an
opportunity to come in and present testimony, so -- it's not specific to this application,
but just a concern that we had when we were talking about the agenda on Friday.
De Weerd: And that's a valid point. Anna, are they going to be prepared to address this
next week?
Canning: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, the reason they requested the
continuation was because Blue Cross of Idaho took an interest a little bit later than
normal and didn't have comments during the Planning and Zoning Commission period,
so they had asked Pinebridge to table it. When it was continued to this day, they -- they
had asked that it be continued to this day, but Blue Cross of Idaho wasn't able to come
today, so they had to ask for it to be continued again. So, it's been a variety of reasons.
This one was unusual in that it was actually a neighbor that requested the continuation
and the applicant consented. They were prepared to go forward today, so --
De Weerd: Okay.
Canning: It may get continued again, though, to be truthful. They are having a difficult
time working some issues out, which they'd like to resolve before they come to you.
Nary: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Nary.
Nary: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, some of you have gotten some contacts
from Blue Cross about this particular project and my recommendation was not to meet
with them separately, since there is a Public Hearing process that's ongoing. Maybe it
would be wise to set this over for more than one week. I did send a letter back to Blue
Cross's CEO today indicating we -- I certainly would be happy to meet with them as well
on behalf of the city, rather than putting the Mayor and the Council in that position that's
troublesome, based on the current state of the law in Idaho. So, maybe it would be best
to set this over more than one week. I don't know if Pinebridge has a time issue, but it
might make more sense to set this over at least two weeks or even three, just to assure
we can get these issues resolved. I don't know if Mrs. Canning has any other insight as
to the timing issue, but --
Canning: I'm trying to remember. We had a meeting with Dan Torfin and I think they
were fairly flexible. That's all I can remember. They are eager to move forward. This --
this particular project I think, actually, started and has been continued before Mr. Borton
was even on the Council. It's been going for a long time. So, I think they are eager to
get it rolling, but another week or two doesn't seem to matter to Mr. Baker all that much,
I don't think.
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Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I feel that if Blue Cross has got any objections, they have had plenty of time to
bring them forward and I know there is other tenants -- or properky owners along there
that would like to see that get taken care of, so I think we ought to bring it on next week
and let's -- we have waited long enough. Let's get it going. That's my personal opinion.
De Weerd: is that the consensus of Council? We have already moved to continue it until
next week.
Bird: Yeah. That's -- that's my preference.
Rountree: That would be my preference as well.
Canning: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, just to respond to President Gorton's
comment, we are seeing a lot more continuations. I'm sure you have noticed. It's just
been -- it seems like it's every week. I have been thinking about it, because it concerns
me, too. I mean it screws up everybody's agenda. There seems to be three different
reasons. One is noticing. A lot of people are missing their noticing. There is something
we could do about that, we could charge folks to put up the notices. We have been
reluctant to do that, especially when we were so busy, it's just -- it's a chore. We,
basically, would hire a sign company to do it. But that is an option. It would decrease
those continuations. The other one is there just -- even though we have seen a slow
down in the economy, the projects that are coming through right now are big and
complicated and they are just taking awhile to get all the details worked out. And, then,
the third -- I thought there was a third reason, but maybe there is not. The third just
seems to be the applicant for whatever reason wants to continue it, because they can't
make it. But there are a variety of reasons. It doesn't seem to be one reason overall. But
I just thought I'd comment, since Mr. Borton brought it up.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: Since we are on the subject and I don't know if this is appropriate now or
whether we should put it on the agenda for discussion, but the impact of the signs that
are put on property are lost to some extent because so many properties have a notice
on them that's from like two years ago. We have property notice signs all over the city
and whether or not somebody notices when a new one goes up or not, there are so
many old ones still around that I'm thinking that we should have something in the
ordinance that gives them the time limit after the Public Hearing for when they have to
remove the sign. I don't think we have anything like that.
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Canning: We do.
Zaremba: So, do we need some enforcement or --
De Weerd: Who follows up on it?
Canning: I'm sure that Mr. Overton -- or Lieutenant Overton is madly scribbling down
that code enforcement needs to --
Borton: Unfortunately, enforcement means somebody has to drive around and read
every sign and decide whether the time has passed or --
De Weerd: Well, I think maybe if it's possible, Anna, your -- your department can
generate that list for code enforcement, if you have a tracking mechanism. And we
talked kind of about that in our directors' meeting today about utilizing a better tracking
program that IT has developed. So, maybe that can help.
De Weerd: Okay.
Zaremba: Thank you.
Item 16: Public Hearing: SHP 07-006 Request for a Short Plat approval to create
3 commercial building lots on 0.98 of an acre in a C-G zone for Minert
Plaza by Specialty Contracting, LLC - 623 East Shiller Lane:
De Weerd: Well, Good discussion. Okay. Item 16 is a Public Hearing on SHP 07-006.
will open this Public Hearing with staff comments.
Canning: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, this is Minert Plaza. It's located at
623 East Schiller Lane on the west side of South Stratford Drive, and if you're having a
hard time locating it, my window is right there. So, it's just north of the planning
department and building department offices and Public Works. Oh, yeah. Public Works.
So, the application before you is a short plat. Now, you may be wondering why we are
having a Public Hearing on a short plat when you have never had one before. This is,
indeed, the first time you have had a hearing on a short plat. We have adopted the short
plat process with the Unified Development Code. Originally, we had them in as an
administrative plat. As we looked at state code we realized that you all needed to sign it,
so we were putting them on your Consent Agenda for your approval and, then, as we
looked at it further and as we -- we did the last code amendment, we realized they
needed to be a Public Hearing. So, they are a Public Hearing before you tonight. They
are required to notice, so we have done the notice, but they are not required to post the
property, so if you go around looking for a posting on these, they aren't done. Now,
short plats are very minor subdivisions. If it hasn't been previously platted they can only
do a -- basically a lot split from one parcel to two lots. If it's a previously platted lot, they
can do up to four lots. So, that was all just background on short plats, since this is your
first hearing on one and we will move onto the meat of this application. They are