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AGENDA
TUESDAY, JUNE 4, 1996 - 7:30 P.M.
CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
MINUTES OF SPECIAL MEETING HELD MAY 14, 1996:
(APPROVED)
MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING HELD MAY 21, 1996:
(APPROVED)
DISCUSSION OF MAYOR'S COMMITTEE ON RECREATION CENTER
AND PARKS: (APPROVE TO ACCEPT AS AN ADVISORY
COMMITTEE IN COOPERATION WITH PARKS AND RECREATION
COMMISSION)
2. TABLED MAY 7, 1996: PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE LAKE AT CHERRY
LANE NO. 5 BY STEINER DEVELOPMENT: DISCUSSION OF
REQUIREMENTS IN FINDINGS FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT:
(GRANT 15' SIDEYARD SET BACK FOR SPECIFIC LOTS MEETING
FENCE ORDINANCE; TABLE PRELIMINARY PLAT UNTIL JUNE
18, 1996)
3. TABLED MAY 7, 1996: FINAL PLAT: FIELDSTONE MEADOWS NO. 5
SUBDIVISION BY GARY VOIGT: (TABLED UNTIL JULY 2, 1996)
4. TABLED MAY 21, 1996: FINAL PLAT: PACKARD SUBDIVISION NO. 1 BY
PNE/EDMONDS CONSTRUCTION: (TABLED UNTIL JUNE 18, 1996)
5. TABLED MAY 21, 1996: ORDINANCE #731 - OLSON-BUSH SUBDIVISION
NO. 2 ANNEXATION: (TABLED UNTIL JUNE 18, 1996)
6. TABLED MAY 21, 1996: REQUEST FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR PORKY
PARK NO. 1 SUBDIVISION BY RON VAN AUKER: (APPROVED)
7. PUBLIC HEARING CONTINUED FROM MAY 21, 1996: REQUEST FOR A
PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR BALLANTYNE TROUTNER BUSINESS
PARK BY JIM BALLANTYNE: (REMAND BACK TOP & Z
COMMISSION)
8. FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW FOR ANNEXATION AND
ZONING REQUEST FOR BALLANTYNE TROUTNER BUSINESS
PARK BY JIM BALLANTYNE; TABLED MAY 21, 1996: (TABLED
UNTIL AUGUST 20, 1996)
9. TABLED MAY 21, 1996: ,LATE COMERS AGREEMENT FOR GEMTONE
CENTER NO. 2: (TABLED UNTIL JULY 2, 1996)
10. FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW FOR VARIANCE
REQUEST FOR RAILSIDE SUBDIVISION BY RON YANKE:
(APPROVE FINDINGS; APPROVE VARIANCE)
11. REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A PHOTOGRAPHIC
PORTRAIT STUDIO BY BERTON S: DEANNA SPENCER: (APPROVE
FINDINGS; APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT)
12. REQUEST FOR HOOKUP TO SEWER AND WATER BY DOUGLAS
AND SUZANNE STANDLEY: (TABLED UNTIL JUNE 18, 1996)
13. REQUEST FOR EXTENSION TO RECORD ENGLEWOO~ CREEK
SUBDIVISION PLAT: (APPROVE EXTENSION TO SEPTEMBER
30, 1996)
14. MARTY GOLDSMITH: NON-DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR LOS
ALAMITOS N0. 2: (APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS)
15. SUMMERFIELD SUBDIVISION NO. 2 PHASE 2: NON-DEVELOPMENT
AGREEMENT RELEASE: (APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS)
16. REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR AN AUTO SALES LOT
BY ADVANTAGE AUTO INC.: (APPROVE FINDINGS; APPROVE
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT; LANDSCAPING TO BE NEGOTIATED)
17. PROCLAMATION: UNITED CEREBRAL PALSY CASUAL DAY:
18. WATER/SEWER/TRASH DELINQUENCIES: (APPROVED)
19. APPROVE BILLS: (APPROVED)
20. DEPARTMENT REPORTS:
A. GARY SMITH, CITY ENGINEER:
1. BID RESULTS FOR CINDER ROAD WATER LINE EXTENSION:
(APPROVE GULLY EXCAVATION)
2. ITD CONSULTANT SUPPLEMENTAL CONTRACT: (APPROVE)
3. ALBERTSONS EASEMENT FOR WATER AND SEWER LINE ISSUE:
(ENDORSE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL)
4. ACHD/CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP: (JUNE 13, 1996)
B. SHARI STILES, PLANNING & ZONING ADMINISTRATOR:
1. VAN AUKER WATER/SEWER LINE EXTENSION:
C. WAYNE CROOKSTON, CITY ATTORNEY:
1. NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION DISTRICT LICENSE AGREEMENT
FOR FOTHERGILL SUBDIVISION UPDATE:
MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL JUNE 4. 1996
The regular meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order by Mayor Robert D.
Corrie at 7:30 P.M.:
MEMBERS PRESENT: Walt Morrow, Charles Rountree, Glenn Bentley, Ron Tolsma:
OTHERS PRESENT: Will Berg, Wayne Crookston, Gary Smith, Shari Stiles, Jim Johnson,
Chief Gordon, David Costello, Joe Simunich, Jim Ballantyne, John and Cheryl Wardle,
Margaret Cox, Walt Casey, Sheri Baker, Paula Devaney, Berton Spencer, Trish Johnson,
Tammy DeWeerd, Stephen Sherer, Marty Goldsmith, Keith Bird, Marilyn Lions, AI Dobbin,.
Tery Smith, Steve Bradbury, Susan Kelly, Rick Zamzow:
MINUTES OF SPECIAL MEETING HELD MAY 14, 1996:
Corrie: Are there any corrections or alterations to those minutes? I will entertain a motion
to approve the minutes of the special meeting held May 14.
Rountree: Mr. Mayor, I move that we approve the minutes of the special meeting held May
14.
Bentley: Second
Corrie: Okay, motion made by Mr. Rountree, second by Mr. Bentley that the minutes of the
special meeting held May 14, 1996 be approved as printed, all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING HELD MAY 21, 1996:
Corrie: What is the Council's pleasure?
Bentley: Mr. Mayor I move that we accept the minutes as written.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Bentley, second by Mr. Rountree that we approve the minutes
held May 21 be approved, all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #1: DISCUSSION OF MAYOR'S COMMITTEE ON RECREATION CENTER AND
PARKS:
Corrie: Let me set the tone on this one so that we know where we are going. As you may
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or may not know the committee is here, I asked the committee be formed and called me
and asked me if they could work on a possibility of findings of fact and figures for a rec
center and also for helping in the parks to find out what can and cannot be done in that.
The Council has requested that this group and members of it come here tonight and
present what they have done and also present what they feel that their charter, what I had
asked them that they might be doing. So I have asked that the Committee be here, we
have the committee heads of the different departments of the group that we had. Is Mr.
Bird, Keith, if you would like to come up first I would appreciate it and then (inaudible) the
Chairman of the group and then if Council would like to ask questions at that point and see
where they would like to go with that.
Bird: I was under the assumption that there would be questions.
Corrie: Okay that is fine.
Bird: I don't have anything to say.
Corrie: Let's start with the Council and questions from Council.
Rountree: Keith, it is our understanding from the information that we have been given by
the Mayor that the subject is recreation center citizens committee, I guess from the
Council, I will speak for myself, and let the Council speak for one another, my concern was
at this point we had a group of citizens brought together and are going about a grand effort
for the City of Meridian and at this point the Council was not appraised of the situation the
charter or the direction the committee was going. I personally felt that there was a potential
for a conflict between the committee and the Council. Hopefully the committee
understands that at least this point in time the way I view the committee is advisory to the
Mayor and not advisory to the City Council. It would be understood that any
recommendation made by the committee would be simply that and would not have at least
at this point in time recognition from the City Council. That is all I wanted to clear up, so
I guess my question to you is what is your understanding of the committee's charge and
you personally feel that it is a sufficient representation or more than adequate
representation to accomplish that?
Bird: Councilman Rountree, this committee, I don't think, I wasn't on it originally just strictly
for a recreation center that was something that just come up. I have felt for years that we
need to get a recreation department, parks and recreation going. I never dreamed that we
were going to have any say over the Council or anything that it all strictly would come back
to the Council for any final approval. I think that is the way that most of the people that I
thought I would like to get something going and see if that could do. That was my personal
feeling and I think the committee's too.
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Rountree: What would reaction be at this point we have not presented but will discuss
later on this ordinance a proposed ordinance for the City of Meridian that would establish
a parks and recreation commission which would serve the City of Meridian in those
endeavors and would authorize and work with citizens groups to accomplish not only the
future needs of the City but to take care of the current needs in the way of administering
and operating what facilities we have, scheduling and that sort of thing.
Bird: It is 15 years too late, I think it should have been done, I think there are a lot of
facilities here that we can use. I think our youth is pretty well taken care of, our little league
program, I think it is our young people that are getting not the right facilities. We should
have (Inaudible) basketball, volleyball, softball for those people and we don't' have it. They
are getting kicked out of Boise, they are having to go to Nampa or someplace else. I think
a Commission like that Charlie would be the greatest thing that ever happened to the City.
Tolsma: On our Summer recreation program that we have now that is partially funded by
the City what you are looking for then is an expansion basically of that program then
because they have the (inaudible) high school facilities and they also use the junior high
facilities. There are outdoor games and some indoor games over there. Basically what
you are after or what your thinking was then is to expand on those or the usage of such
facilities like (inaudible) high school facilities or junior high facilities (inaudible). Speaking
for myself, all of these facilities are basically empty during the summer which would be the
high usage of the recreation facilities would be. Whether an expansion of another building
for say to house this operation, we have all the taxpayer facilities sitting here not used
during the summer time and where we have been working with the school board on
(inaudible) use these facilities more in the outdoor facilities for little league softball and
baseball and such as this. Have you discussed that in your meetings how that would
work?
Bird: We haven't we have only had three meetings, one was basically and organizational
one and then the second was about the same and the third we have the privilege of going
through the Nampa Recreation Center. Ron what I was expanding on, Meridian is different
than a lot of towns because and we bring our school district in, I think it is less than 30%
of students in the school district live in the City of Meridian. Most towns all of the schools
are within the city limits, I don't know what we had 7 or 8 schools. But what I would like to
see done is to have volleyball leagues for young adults, basketball. If the City could take
this on, it is not going to cost the City that much money. All you need is some liability
insurance. An individual can't go purchase liability insurance to go rent the gym (inaudible)
just give it out to everybody. That is what I was thinking about on something like that. We
have the facilities here to use why not use them, every other town does. We all pay taxes
on it whether it is the City taxes or the schools we all pay it.
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Tolsma: Well if it was an organized facility or an organized group such like the (inaudible)
American League Baseball or Little League Babe Ruth baseball, if they are an organized
group then I think the schools are apt to work with an organized group rather than a
softball team here and basketball team here and volley ball team here. (Inaudible) Parks
and Recreation Commission
Bird: That is what I am getting at. If the City had a parks and recreation commission that
was running these kind of programs, I will be truthful Ron I didn't know we were still
running the City rec I thought that thing had been dropped. We used to underwrite that the
Meridian Athletic Association underwrote that City rec program. I thought that thing had
been dropped, I am glad to here that.
Tolsma: Ron Beeson has been handling that and (inaudible)
Bird: I am glad to here. that.
Morrow: I have a couple of questions with respect to, I guess what brought us here in
terms of this discussion was the fact that this committee was brought forward with no input
from the Council, no information to the Council. The Council's first exposure to this was
an article in the Valley News on March 28th. The next exposure was on April 24 with
respect to a memorandum about such committee. The question in our mind as a Council
by State statute commissions and boards and committees take action of Mayor and
Council. And so from our perspective and the reason this was deferred until tonight
because there were only three of us present at the last meeting was to have input from
Councilman Tolsma and his feelings. My question to you would be were you aware that
this committee had been formed and had been put in operation without any input or
without any knowledge of the Council as a group?
Bird: Probably, I think a lot of the people thought that Mr. Bentley attended our deals
which was a representative of the Council. Personally myself I knew that it was not.
Morrow: My next question would be is are you aware #hat in terms of the Council when we
adopted the impact fee for parks and recreation and the capital facilities plan that is part
of that operation that the rec center was not to be aggressively pursued or worked on until
the year 1999?
Bird: I did not know that.
Morrow: Are you also aware that the Council had approved the layout of Tully Park some
two years ago and that the construction of that has been held up by grant monies and
various (inaudible) with respect to that?
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Bird: I did not know that it had been laid out two years ago, I did know it was held up by
grant monies, that is why I don't like grant monies.
Morrow: And I think what we are learning as a City it is probably the last time we do any
kind of a grant because of that problem. Very candidly we should have that facility up and
running and functioning and for the sake of some grant money we are no closer today then
we were two years ago when we approved the concept. I think that Councilman Rountree
and Tolsma have referred to an ordinance that we were about to enact, we started with
the premise of the Council in November and in discussions with Bob Hailey our resolve
to begin to utilize all of the taxpayers facilities and come to the realization that there is only
one tax payer out there. And as you may or may not know by virtue of that comprehensive
plan map there are several sites that are park school sites. We had envisioned certain
things for that, met with Mr. Hailey, expressed some concerns and we began to deal with
that very informatively. Now we are at the point where in our strategic planning sessions
we are very close and probably at the next meeting we will adopt the ordinance creating
that parks and recreation commission. If I am right I would like to address just a couple
things that are key to that. Bearing in mind that the purpose of this Commission is to utilize
all of the taxpayer owned facilities and bring about a sense of cooperation between all of
those. entities that own various facilities and then get maximum utilization out of that.
Section 6 indicates that this Commission shall consist of nine members who shall receive
no salary. They shall be appointed by the Maypr, confirmed by the City Council and
members may in like manner be removed. One member shall be Parks and Recreation
Commissioner who is a Meridian City Councilman, one member shall be a trustee of the
Joint School District No. 2 Ada and Canyon County. One member shall be from Western
Ada Recreation District, one member should be from the Meridian Athletic Association Inc.,
one member shall be from the Cherry Lane Golf Course, one member shall be from the
City of Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission, and three additional members shall be
appointed and confirmed by this Commission. I think the next thing that is important is this
Parks and Recreation Committee shall advise the Council of, operation of and supervision
of public parks, public playgrounds and athletic fields, recreational facilities and other
recreational activities on or irk the properties owned or controlled by the City or any other
properties in the Area of Impact with the consent of the owners and occupants thereof.
Commission shall during the month of May each year submit to the City Council an
advisory proposed recreation program and budget for the next fiscal year. It shall be
advisory only and is no way binding. There is also some privilege in there there for a
Meridian Parks and Recreation improvement fund and so on and so forth. The point being
that the direction of the Council has been to set up a parks and recreation commission
audit the facilities that we have in the taxpayers entities within the Meridian area. Then
begin recreation programs based on that. Very similar in structure to the Meridian City and
Rural fire departments structure. So I guess my point is and that is another question to you
where this effort in fact was going on.
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Bird: Walt, I had heard something about it but I was not aware that it was being brought
up to an ordinance until just (inaudible) I think it is great, I think it has been needed. I have
talked to a lot of people about this for years in getting this thing going on. We have 59
acres of park (Inaudible) in the right manner.
Morrow: I think the other issue is that we have 59 acres of park, we also, or park land, we
also as you well know have to pay for that with the impact fee funds in order to generate
monies with which to develop it. I think that essentially what I personally like to see is that
any type of committee we have so that we are not running off in all directions is because
very candidly this City has some personnel issues that it needs to deal with in terms of
staffing and retention of current employees and some things that we need to be working
on. We need to as a City focus on that and cannot afford to be in a position of having
divisive issues that take away our attention from the main problems. I would like to see any
type of committee that works towards the goal of dealing with parks and recreation issues
work under the auspices of this commission as soon as it is set up. I guess my question
to you is do you feel that it is better to have a committee and citizen input that is focused
and given a set of direction and that is supported by the Council as opposed to a
committee which the Council knows little or nothing about and is not necessarily in support
of the Committee's effort.
Bird: I would be in favor of the one that the Council and the Mayor appoints that comes
through an ordinance, sure, everybody would. I think that this is just my own personal
feeling, I feel that most of this recreational facilities that we have right now has been done
with very little tax payer money, I think we are a small enough city that if the City would
give a plan I think you can still get a lot of stuff done by volunteer work. I think you need
a commission like you are talking about to set it forward and you need to tell them which
way you want to go.
Morrow: I think my final comment here would be that we have a lot of good people out
there, we have a lot good people willing to serve on commissions and committees and so
forth. I don't want to see their efforts wasted or abused. What I want to see is a strategic
plan that is carefully developed so at that point in time under the guidance and respect to
parks and recreation and other things that those folks that are serving on those committees
have an overall blueprint towards which they are to work so they have a direct feeling of
how it all fits into a master plan. And we in the City and those that we solicit funds from
have a sense of direction that we are going with a specificized goal at the end. What I see
going on right is a very seriously fragmented effort and that is very difficult to keep the end
goals in mind when you don't know what those end goals might be and how it fits together
with other issues. You have great expertise in these things that we are talking about
because of your involvement the last 20 some years in the City of Meridian, the speedway,
the swimming pool, the legion baseball and I think you and I have spoken and your
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criticism has been that there is no overall master plan. And I accept that criticism that is
fairly obvious to me now that we ought to be pressing on in that direction.
Bird: I think this is basically what the committee, right, wrong or indifferent I was informed,
you guys are the ones, you four are responsible for running the City. So you guys should
have the final say and I think the Commission like this I think it is five years, it should have
been done five years ago. Now is the time so let's get on it and get with it and get our
planning done and as we can do it we do it and get this done and going. We are not going
to get smaller we are going to grow. We need recreation facilities to (inaudible) whether
we like it or not. I happen to be one that is very recreationally involved, I love it.
(Inaudible).
Morrow: Thank you I have no further questions.
Bentley: I need to make some comments on a few of these things that have been said.
First off I cannot myself see where it is going to do any harm to have a group of concerned
citizens that wants to step forward, come up with some plans for putting together a rec
center. It is not that these people were picked up off the street, these people come from
all walks of life, all types of education and job services. There is a wealth of knowledge
there. I fail to see where having these people come forth and they are an advisory.
committee they will report back to this Council and the Mayor and I fail to see where the
problem is. We do need a rec center, our schools, I don't recall any of there having
swimming pools. Our swimming pool over here is now maxed out. The athletic center you
go by there any time they are maxed out. But they are catering more to the older people
not to the kids. I fail to see where planning now, there is nothing saying it has to be built
tomorrow although it would be nice. I fail to see where it is going to hurt to have these
people come up with some suggestions. If the rest of the Council feels they were
bypassed then that issue can be addressed. The thing is we have same pretty qualified
people there that are donating their time free of charge. I think if they can come up with
the plans to build a rec center at no cost either through donations like Nampa has done
or memberships then I think they should be commended for it. As far as the ordinance
coming up I have a real problem with part of this ordinance because in the tail end of the
ordinance it declares that the golf course and I realize that there are some ill feelings
about the golf course, I personally feels it needs to be built out to 18 holes and as I have
said in the past I feel that there is some revenue that should be generated to the City off
of that, but in the back of this ordinance it also states that these fees that are going to be
developed when this commission is done will be used to expand and do work on all of the
recreational facilities which is the golf course which is taking up more tax money. I have
a real problem with that until there is a rework of the agreement so that comes back and
helps benefit the other recreation organizations in the City.
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Corrie: Thank you, are there any other members of the committee that would like to, Dave
Costello?
Costello: Good Evening gentlemen, I am presently the Commissioner of the PAL program,
Mr. Corrie here also asked me to sit on this Commission. I was understood that it was a
non-binding and the object was to go out and find out what we could do as citizens to help
the City. My neighborhood happens to be everybody is new in it, I have very few people
come other parts of the state other parts of the country they have concerns and I have
addressed their concerns with the Mayor. I have tried to address those concerns to other
people. I have talked to them and I think one of the issue that has been missed is Keith
had said over there that a lot of this should have been addressed five years ago. I came
from a small town that grew from 5,000 to 28,000 in eight years and we are running into
the same problems that we ran into 20 years ago. As far as being a citizen in the
community here or a resident I should say is that a lot of people are intimidated to even
come to this meeting because they feel that their voice isn't going to be heard. Those of
us that will stand up to be heard there are not as many of us but I have been in my
neighborhood what would you like to see. That is what I have done, everything has been
a positive response. Everybody knows that this is anon-binding, I am out there in my
neighborhood just finding out what the people want. This little program PAL, I did want to
present this to you tonight, we presently have 1300 kids in our city in PAL. This is a new
program, to show you the need presently there are programs here, we have tapped
another 1300 that presently aren't participating in PAL. I know this is going off the tangent
here but the point tha# I am trying to make is we do need facilities, we do need input from
the community. This is a chance and as I talked to Mayor Corrie it was a chance for us to
just be able to express to you what our concerns for our neighborhood were. That is
essentially what I wanted to say and of course give you a little plug for PAL. We are here
we do appreciate the fact what is presently happening. I here what you say about
presently having, from. the Council directing an organization or a group to oversight this
but again what happens is that group becomes very small and it doesn't necessarily touch
the whole issue which is the whole community. And having anon-binding resident
community I think it would be very advantageous. It carries no clout, we all understood
that, that is what was explained to me. Any monies or anything that we did was out of our
own pocket. That should be impressive enough there are people here that really want to
do that without having to sit on a proper board. Will those people be heard if we have this
other board that is the question that I have to ask, you tell me.
Corrie: Council members?
Rountree: I have a comment I guess, and then a question back possibly, how do I look?
Costello: Great
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Rountree: Again I will state my original concern was not with the citizens providing input,
I would champion that at any point in time. My concern is that there may be expectations
with that group of folks that might not be able to be met with the Council and I didn't want
this group of people with their energies to go off in the directions that may not be
something the Council wants to embrace or can embrace because of either budgetary
constraints or as Walt pointed out we have capital improvements programs that are
binding by state code and we have to abide by that are established in our comp plan. That
is my concern, I think what you folks are doing is great, I think we need the input. That said
I don't perceive the recreation committee, Parks and Recreation Committee established
by the City of Meridian as something that would not welcome individual input. In fact that
would be one of their charters to solicit that kind of input and to fashion a plan that will
respond to or listen to you folks. I would hope that would be a concern.
Corrie: Any other comments? Anybody else like to say a word?.
DeWeerd: I am Tammy DeWeerd, I am a resident here in Meridian and also asked Mayor
Corrie while he was doing is election that this was a very important issue to us and this is
an issue that he spoke on. First of all I admire Mayor Corrie greatly for following up on
something that he said he would do. That doesn't happen very often. At this point I am
a little bit confused as to you know what the fear of the Council is. What would prohibit
you for recognizing an advisory committee to give the City feedback as to what the
residents of the City of Meridian want to do. I am a little bit baffled by some of the
comments. I think we all understand that we are just an advisory, we are fact finders, we
are trying to go out and talk to our neighbors and the residents because we are out there
in it. My concern is a commission, I have dealt with many commissions before and
unfortunately they don't listen to the public. Our only opportunity to get comments to
commissions is just like what I am doing right now standing up before you and not having
the opportunity to sit down and show facts and figures and comments from residents and
that sort of thing. This is an advisory committee it can work with any kind of commission.
It could channel information to yourselves and to a commission, to the Mayor and give you
a lot of important input that is coming back from your community and ours as well. So
frankly I was trying not to get a little offended by some of the things you are saying and I
know that, I don't understand some of the ordinances or some of the legalities. We are just
providing input and comments and going out and doing a lot of the research and
eliminating some of the that could be spent on other things by any advisory board or
commission that you put together. We are going to be out there trying to find a way to work
it .and find grants or monies that don't come out of the taxpayers pockets. Finding. a way
to do the things that we need to do. Now my concern is we need facilities available to use
to young adults and families that is open at all times. Our lives are not scheduled that we
can only do it at an our window. Franklin I admire the summer program that is going on
but it is not enough. Some of those activities are three days, some of them are a month.
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Then we have July and August, what do we do with our kids then. We have limited parks
in the City, we had one pool that is always full. It is hard to get our kids into swimming
lessons. Where do we bring our kids to do things even with them as a family. This is what
I felt this committee could really look into that could get some really good ideas going and
present it to the Mayor who we were advisory to, to the City Council who I don't see any
problem why you cannot recognize us as an advisory group. So that is what my
involvement is and that is why I came into it, not to get into politics. I am not interested in
politics, I am interested in trying to improve certain things for my kids and my family and
my neighbors, my friends and that is why I am on this committee to try and help out or City
and make a difference.
Corrie: Any comments or questions from the Council? Thank you for your efforts. Paula?
Devaney: Well, I guess in some respect I am just going to echo what Tammy said
because I agree with her 100%. I feel that all of us have the same goals here. There may
be a little bit disagreement on whether we need a rec center or not but I think the overall
goal of needing more playing fields, parks, recreational facilities, we all have that same
goal. I am a little bit offended that this has been brought back at the committee and placed
with us. If I can compare it to something that happened to me two months ago when I
moved into my office over on watertower lane in a new office, granted it is not any big deal,
but it is a new office for me. I had someone, one of the department heads come in and tell
me that I don't have a permit yet to be in that office and if they want to they can have me
move out that day. So I go of course over to the landlord and say what is the problem here.
What it really amounted to was two department heads one felt that his toes were being
stepped on and he had been bypassed. So it was in fighting between then, it had nothing
to do with my office or the safety of it. That is a little bit how I feel tonight. Whether it is
the advisory committee or whether it is the commission there is a lot of in fighting and we
are really the wrong people are getting hit in the head over it that is how I feel. I do feel
offended and I am a little bit embarrassed. Because it is like, we are trying to do a good
thing, we obviously had felt that the Council knew about or should have known about it,
we had a councilman at every single meeting. We don't know and we can't be responsible
for your communication or lack of communication. So to me it is kind of humiliating to be
brought to what I feel is really brought to task for something that we thought we were doing
a good job. It also takes away enthusiasm and people are enthusiastic about this
committee and about plans for a rec center. You can go anywhere and talk to anyone and
they are by and large in favor of it. So I just feel that, I think the whole way it has been
taken back and placed that the Committee is wrong. I would just like to say that I think the
advisory committee is an excellent idea and I would hope that City Council could get some
things resolved because I think what we may be approaching here is a citizen alliance
forming here in Meridian to feel like they can make the City Council be more accountable.
All that does is create further divisiveness but I do think the City is close to forming an
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alliance if we keep feeling like the City Council is so split and everyone else is caught in
the middle.
Corrie: Thank you Paula, questions?
Tolsma: You said that you were embarrassed by this being here tonight, you can imagine
how I was embarrassed I was when I didn't even know what the hell was going on. I was
never informed of this meeting, I got some people coming to the meeting at the first
meeting you held and you said you are the Parks Commission aren't you and I said I
thought I was and (inaudible) I had no idea there was a meeting.
Devaney: But should I be called to the principal's office because two of the teachers aren't
getting along and I am a student in the class. That is what I am saying, why are we being
called to task and that is really, that is how I perceive it.
Tolsma: Well I don't believe we are calling you to task, we are just trying to explain or want
something explained to us why three of us members of the Council did get bypassed on
this information.
Devaney: How am I supposed to answer that for you?
Tolsma: You probably can't.
Devaney: That is what I am saying and perhaps maybe it would have been better to hold
our next meeting and to have the Council there and discuss some things. That is all I am
saying. I personally do not believe that this was the way to address it. Like I said I feel
offended, I am a professional woman I have a business to run, I am involved in a lot of
organizations. One of which I was trying to work with Councilman Bentley on maybe trying
to get some more donated and volunteered over at the park. There are a lot of things that
we want to do, but frankly if this is going to be the result of it I don't know. It is sad to me
that is my main point. I can understand your feelings but I am not responsible for the fact
that you didn't know.
Rountree: I don't think there wan any contempt and in fact, trying to think of our last
discussion, I don't believe that there was any action taken by the Council to ask that the
Committee be present tonight, am I wrong?
Morrow: No, I go that, the issue is we were having this discussion tonight because
Councilman Tolsma was not here at the our last meeting so that the four of us could have
a discussion. I want you to understand and all of you folks that are on this committee is
that this Council is listening to your points out of courtesy. There was never any intent on
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the part of this Council to either take you to task, to embarrass you, to sit in judgement of
what it is you are doing or how it is you are doing. This was a Council issue and we were
resolving it amongst the four of ourselves as per your suggestion that we ought to do our
own work within the house. That is exactly what I thought this discussion was going to be
tonight. Quite frankly I was a little surprised to see it the number one item on the agenda
because when it was discussed at our last meeting it was discussed under department
reports which is typically where we discuss items that are strictly City business. And so
alliances are great and alliances can discuss issues but if you have three of the four City
Councilman not even knowing what the issue is what is the point of the alliance?
Devaney: So let me ask you, so when I leave this meeting tonight what should I go away
with? Right now it is my understanding at this point that you are going to enact an
ordinance to create a commission. Really if the committee does anything so what, maybe
you will listen to us and maybe you won't. I don't know what you want me to take away.
Morrow: What you take away from my perspective is a couple of things probably three
things. One is that the Council is trying to get straightened in its own mind what it is we are
doing and what it is we are about with respect to this parks and recreation issue because
we have not been involved in it to speak of at all. The second thing is that our major fear
was that there was a committee of some pretty good folks out there laboring away
pursuing a goal without knowing that the three of the four councilman had absolutely no
idea what was going on or no input into it and that it can be tremendously frustrating in my
own experience from working on a committee only to find out that all my hard work and
time is for naught. The (inaudible) parks and recreation commission which discussions
began last November was that so we can inventory all of the assets that the taxpayer owns
within our area of impact. To bring together all of those assets (inaudible) a program
which we have utilized those assets completely and then expand the assets that we need
to make the program better. My (inaudible) I certainly think that we ought to do that and
that Commission ought to have committees like this committee that you are a member of
with a sense of certain direction that says okay we need another swimming pool so lets
go out and figure out how to get is done and we have a citizens committee that has that
assigned task. And that committee has every reasonable expectation of when they have
completed their job that the Commission the Council at the time will all buy off and
aggressively support it and have that as a goal for the community. It needs to have some
sense of order and I think those are the three things that I would suggest or that I would
like to see you take with you. This is by no means to repeat myself an exercise that was
meant in any way shape or form to embarrass anybody within the committee to make
anything difficult for those folk within the committee. This is basically an in house issue
that has been moved into the public arena.
Devaney: Well I hope that it doesn't steal our thunder or dampen our enthusiasm. I for
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one do feel that it has done that some extent and I would just like to also echo what
Tammy said I think the advisory committee is a dynamic group, I think that you would all
be well to embrace it and work with it. I think there are a lot of really good things there.
f hope that you will really consider keeping it and if you want to add members or delete
members whatever. I really hope that you will look strongly at keeping this community
together.
Corrie: Thank you Paula, so that this group, I don't want to carry this out too much longer,
why this was put on the agenda was two reasons. One is Mr. Rountree made the comment
that I would like that group to come and present what it is they have done or present what
it is they feel that their charter is.
Rountree: I stand corrected
Corrie: That was echoed by Mr. Morrow that they should come and make sure that they
understand what is going on and that the Council was not informed and I must beg to differ
with Mr. Tolsma that he didn't know anything about it until he got back because April 24th
I sent a letter to every City Councilman and he got it and informed him about this citizens
committee and I would be happy to read the letter the memo if he would like me to. He did
get the information and also he is not a parks commissioner anymore we don't have
commissioners at this City anymore. Now with that said and the reason it was brought
public and the reason I got it here first is because I thought a lot of people would like to
come here and then go home and have some time with their family. So is there anybody
else here?
Lions: I am Marilyn Lions, I am just a citizen here it just so happens I have 11
grandchildren and nine of them live right here in Meridian. So I am interested with what
is going on with the parks and the facilities with them. Also I have five young adult children
that play on softball tearhs, even my husband is on a softball team. One of my sons plays
on a hardball over thirty team sq we are pretty into ball and activities and we go right
through basketball and football and the whole works, soccer and the whole bit. The thing
that concerns me that I see that has really happened here, 1 am coming in out of the cold.
I met our Mayor, I am a realtor, I met our Mayor at a multiple listings speech he gave, I
enjoyed his talk. I went up and said is there anything I can do (End of Tape) who's toes
are being stepped on. This committee I understood was parks and recreation. I hear
everybody talking about a rec center, I mean that wasn't the whole thing. We were talking
about parks, one of the things, like my young adults they go to Boise, they go to Nampa
to play ball because we don't have anything here for the young adults either. If we could
get started on some of these parks we own this land out here, we have this other one
sitting down here, I don't know the ins and outs of how you do it but that is what I want to
find out because I know there are people here our town is small enough that will volunteer
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to do work. We spent 20 some years in Moscow, Idaho we built our own ball fields up
there through volunteer work and I know our community is still small enough to do that.
But if we get some ball fields built that will accommodate young adults this revenue that
will come into our City, this will help up pay for these things and will help us to maybe
some day have something else and more. But I think we are just kind of stepping on each
others toes and not looking at the big picture of what this can be. When I look through the
agenda it is subdivision, subdivision, subdivision and that is all that is going to be on here
almost tonight. This town is really growing and with Nampa growing the way it is and
Boise man we have to have these things. I am happy to be serving I would love to work
for the City, I am glad to be involved. Anything that I can do I offer my services, just as a
concerned parent and grandparent here. I say let's get something going, let us find the
volunteers and get out there and dig up the people if we have to. We are willing to do that.
Corrie: Anybody else that would like to say something?
Daubin: (Inaudible) This subdivision that I am talking about they were willing to give the
City of Meridian five acres, and they turned it down, the P & Z turned it down because it
wouldn't fit into their plans and they didn't want the land to take care of. Alright you guys
are sitting here and talking about another committee that is building a bureaucracy and we
do not need no bureaucracies because to get anything through a bureaucracy is an
impossibility. You are better off to appoint one member here and appoints a few people
and you approve them and they bring it to him and he brings it to you. You are not tying
up a whole bunch of people's time. To build a bureaucracy is easy, you can look at the
State of Idaho they have done it for several years here. To get anything done here is an
impossibility. So the other thing I can say is what you guys are doing right now you are
working at it really hard. If you are going to have a committee and they are going to have
committees and if I have three committees you will never get anything done. That is about
all I have to say.
Corrie: Terry?
Smith: I just wanted to make the statement that how impressed I am with these volunteer
quality information gathering citizens that have been meeting with this committee. I want
the Council to be aware that asset is of great value to the community to the City. I have
watched the City Council, I have watched the community for the years that I have lived
here and work in concert, work as teams and team work and partnerships and cooperation
in accomplishing some tremendous things in this community. I expect that this Council and
this community and these volunteers continue with those successes with the repairing that
you are going to do amongst yourselves.
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Wardle: My name is Cheryl Wardle and my husband and I own the Idaho Athletic Club, we
are also long term citizens of Meridian. We have been in this community for 18 years. Our
children have grown up without parks, we drive our kids everywhere, if we want to go ride
our bikes we put our bikes in the car and take them to the bike path. We drive our kids to
soccer, we drive our kids to just about every sport you can imagine. 1 take issue to
Councilman Bentley's statement that our parking lot is full thereby we offer no longer a
service to, that is the way I here it. We are doing good business and we thank the lord for
that. Our membership starts at 12 years old, at 12 years old you can have full membership
privileges. Nampa Rec has a sign that no one under 14 is allowed in their weight room, 12
years we are happy to have you. We have the only youth racket ball program in this valley
right now. If you are old enough to hold a racket we will teach you how to use it. We offer
swim lessons that are cheaper than the Nampa City rec. We are doing what we can, we
will be working with the PAL program. We are here to serve the community but we are also
here to make sure the demands for parks is heard. That is the one thing this community
cannot provide through free enterprise is congregation of parks that serve the needs for
not only the youth but the elderly, the people who can't afford to pay $6 to visit a rec center
can take a walk in a park. I would say that is a pretty good place to start.
Corrie: Anybody else, any other committee members? Council any further questions?
Rountree: I have a comment, I want to thank all the folks from the committee for being here
and I guess in fray of last meeting I was not aware that I asked for your presence but thank
you. I hope that you do go away and after you think about I know some of you are not in
a positive mood. We personally want to commend you for your efforts, I think it is grand
that you take the time. I volunteered in Meridian for the last 20 some years in recreation
programs and I know what you are going through. I very much appreciate Terry Smith's
very kind taking to the wood shed, I think we do have some healing that we have to do
here in front of you all. I think we can do that. I hope you take away tonight that the City
Council does want to work as a team, we (inaudible) to work towards a better vision and
a better community for not only our youth but for ourselves. This is where we have our
(inaudible) and that is what we are both going to do. We have to work together, we just
need to know what is going on.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, (inaudible) I Would like to echo Mr. Rountree's comments, I think what
I want you all to go from here and understand is this Council has great resolve in terms of
parks and recreation and the enhancement thereof. We recognize that this City is short
on those things. This City is short on several things. The issues are that we have grown
to be a fairly large city in a very short period of time and a major problem there is funds
and staff and folks to get things accomplished. Very candidly the reason that we have
gotten where we are today is we have some tremendous staff people who have been
laboring under crisis management for better than two years. We are going to get those folk
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some help, we have some tremendous folks in the community that a volunteer (inaudible)
and the things that we have now will continue to do that. I think that from the Council's
standpoint that we want to make sure that we are all heading in the right direction that we
are not taking any steps backwards and forwards and backwards and forwards that
everybody is on the same page, going in the same direction and our management style
very candidly is one that is very open and very informed and we want to see that continue
to happen so that there is no wasted effort so that we all are on the same page and that
we accomplish the same goals. Very frankly we won't get very in the City towards meeting
those kinds of needs unless it is through volunteer efforts and unless it is through citizen
groups that are working with us in concert to get to those goals. I think that the last thing
that I would like you to leave here with is that we as a Council have basically the same
goals in mind that you folk have in mind, the question is how do we get there without
wasting precious time and effort and dollars to make sure that we get it right the first time.
Corrie: Thank you
DeWeerd: I just have a parting comment as well, I would like to challenge you to look
seriously at this committee and approving it as an advisory committee that would advise
the City. I would also challenge you to attend our next meeting. That way you can be
assured that we are going in the right direction and you can give us your feedback, your
concerns and as we pass (inaudible) and doing the research that we need to do to try and
look into the issues that we have raised and needing more parks in the City and needing
more to offer our youth that you can be right there with us or give your comments to
Councilman Bentley. But I see this as nothing but a positive thing. This is just a group of
concerned citizens and I think you have found that through every comment that you have
heard. I would personally like to know if you have a problem in approving or recognizing
this committee. I haven't heard anything from three of you as to what your intentions are.
We came here, we spoke to you, we told you that we see ourselves just as you see us,
advisory only. Now I would like to know if you have a problem in approving a committee
like that or if this Parks and Recreation Commission that you are putting together is the
only one that has the authority to put us together and not the Mayor.
Rountree: Personally I think what I needed has been done as far as getting an
understanding of the Mayor's advisory group was informed as to their advisory capacity
to the Mayor. Because what I predicted to happen happened.
DeWeerd: And what was that?
Rountree: This meeting tonight and you folks having, at least some of you having a sense
that you are at odds with the Council and in fact that is not the case. At least from my
perspective, I needed to know what was going on as far as me approving the Committee,
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I don't have any authority to approve a committee that is advisory to the Mayor that he sets
up. If I were to set up an advisory committee my preference would be that it be more
directed and having an established agenda. And that may be what you folks are doing in
your meetings, I would hope that is the case in establishing, I have heard that you have
established subteams to take on tasks. I assume you have some sort of organization and
some agenda to accomplish. I would want to explore that more with the Committee at
some point in time. If I were to ask say Counsel, Mayor appoints Council confirms this
committee type of situation.
DeWeerd: Well for some reason what I assume, I did not come here thinking that we were
at odds with you. We came here to present what our intentions are and that we haven't
come up with a firm direction because we are a group of 20. We have divided down and
now we are fact finding. You never come with any strong agendas, we are out there trying
to talk to people and find out what is needed. But the Mayor asked us to come together
and you are telling us that without your approval we might just be spinning our wheels, can
we get your approval?
Rountree: I can't speak for the Council I think that can be explored certainly
(Inaudible)
Rountree: I can't speak for the other three councilman but I think that is doable.
DeWeerd: (Inaudible) when Paula asked you what we can go away with, you still didn't
give us anything to go away with. Now you have given me something to go away with that
it will be explored that there is a possibility that you will recognize us as an advisory
committee and whatever advice we bring to whatever entity that we are supposed to bring
it to. It will be looked at seriously. That was my concern after listening to you all. Thank
you.
Morrow: Let me answer part of that also with respect from my perspective is that I don't
see this in the City's benefit or any company's benefit to have a Mayor's committee, a City
Councilman's committee and have folk going all off in different directions. It seems to me
that you put together teams and team work and you build towards a common goal with
total candor and total information for all of the parties and the pieces and the players. Very
candidly from my perception or my position is that I would like to see a committee like this
work and work within the framework of the entire City so that it is the City's committee not
the Mayor's committee or Councilman Tolsma's or Councilman Rountree's or Bentley's
or Morrow's committee but in fact it is a City committee wholly bought off and supported
by all members of the elected team that is responsible for governing. What I would like to
see happen is this committee become part of the parks and recreation commission so that
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everybody is working towards a common goal and it is not the Mayor's committee or the
Council's committee but a city committee. And that is as I see or I would like us to go from
here tonight. Certainly I think that from our position as a Council it is a topic that we need
to discuss in our strategic planning meeting when we have more informality and better time
constraints so that we can discuss alf of the issues and what it is we want to get to as a
finished product. So that is as I see the function of this committee or any committee for any
purpose.
DeWeerd: I am just reluctant to add another bureaucracy body to the line of command.
I feel that if we are recognized by the Mayor and the City Council we are a city body that
is advising the City. I don't know what your intentions are with the Commission but the
people or the parts where you are bringing people from it just sounded like bureaucracy
to me. And they are not in my neighborhood talking to my neighbors knowing
Morrow: The point is that, this issue with those folk is that they already have taxpayer
owned assets and we want to see those assets utilized to the greatest extend so that as
taxpayers we are getting our monies worth out of things that we have already bought and
paid for. That is the purpose of that commission and those named. members, each one of
those members represents taxpayer owned assets that we can utilized that are being
under utilized as we speak.
Corrie: Thank you Tammy
Devaney: I am sorry I am feeling a little bit like when I left the Smith's meeting, did we or
did we not (inaudible). As a committee member I want to know do we or do we not have
a committee? If we and I think we should be able to know that tonight, do we or do we not
have a committee? If the Mayor does not have the authority or whatever vested in him to
appoint an advisory committee to him and without your approval than we need to know if
you are going to approve. I would like to go eway tonight knowing do we have a
committee. If he doesn't have that authority I would like to know that. I would like to know
before everybody goes back behind closed doors and meets again, I would just like to
know and I think most of us on the committee would like to know do we or do we not have
a committee. What I am hearing at this point is we don't have a committee.
Bentley: I think this committee is well aware that it is stated they are advisory in nature.
I understand the need for possibly forming the parks commission and which this committee
may or may not be part to in the future. But I fail to see where delaying letting these people
know that we do support what they are doing. The meeting, strategic planning meeting is
four weeks away and there is a lot of time lost and there is a lot of time with Tully Park due
to some of the circumstances are beyond our control dealing with the pathway projects and
such. But I feel that this committee should go away with the feeling that they are supported
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in their efforts and they can report back and we can make a better means for reporting
back, we are under no obligation to this committee and I just think this committee should
walk out of here with a good feeling.
Corrie: Well if it is the Council's desire we can make a motion.
Bentley: I would make a motion that we accept the advisory committee for parks and
recreation as just that an advisory committee.
Corrie: Council has heard the motion is there a second?
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion is made and seconded, any further discussion?
Rountree: I think the question though was raised about whether or not the Mayor does or
doesn't have the authority to have an advisory council really was not an issue explored
tonight. I don't have an answer for that, we were told that might take a ruling from the
Attorney General's office because the State code is kind of strange in that area. As far as
a discussion of the motion at hand I assume the motion is whether or not the Council
recognizes the Mayor's advisory council. I think we recognized (inaudible) in the
framework that we are talking about.
Corrie: Any further discussion?
Morrow: I have a question with respect to the motion, is the motion that it is the Mayor's
advisory council or is the motion it is an advisory council to the City Council and the Mayor,
what is your motion?
Bentley: My motion is that it is an advisory council to the Mayor and the City, not City
Council.
Tolsma: What (inaudible)
Corrie: It shouldn't have any as I understand (inaudible)
Bentley: It is advisory in nature.
Morrow: Well I am going (inaudible) that as the motion is stated I am going to vote against
the motion because I see an advisory committee and a parks and recreation commission
possibly being divisive. I would like to see them coordinated and working together towards
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common goals and not going in different directions.
Cowie: I think Mr. Morrow from your comments earlier that this committee could be
incorporated into that. Am I mistaken in what I heard?
Morrow: No you are not mistaken in what you heard but I think it is premature at this point
unless the motion is that it is going to be incorporated into the parks and recreation
commission which I will whole heartedly support with no problem whatsoever. But I don't
want to see leaving tonight the impression that we are going in two different directions. I
want to see leaving tonight that we are going in the same direction.
Bentley: The intent of the motion was not to have two separate entities going in different
directions.
Morrow: But the motion didn't incorporate it within the other.
Rountree: I would be willing to withdraw my second if you would withdraw your motion and
remotion.
Bentley: We could do that but the only problem is the other body does not exist at this
time.
Morrow: But the motion could be simply stated that at such time as it does exist that it is
incorporated within that framework and I would support that 100%.
Rountree: I withdraw my second.
Bentley: I make a motion that we accept the citizens advisory committee on parks and
recreation that in the future if and when the parks and recreation commission come aboard
that they be a body of that commission.
Rountree: Second
Cowie: Motion made by Mr. Bentley, second by Mr. Rountree, any further discussion?
Hearing none I will ask for a vote, all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Cowie: Committee, you are now officially recognized by the Mayor and Council and as
soon as we get the other committee on line you will be part of that. I want to thank you all.
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ITEM #2: TABLED MAY 7, 1996: PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE LAKE AT CHERRY
LANE NO. 5 BY STEINER DEVELOPMENT; DISCUSSION OF REQUIREMENTS IN
FINDINGS FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT:
Corrie: Is there a representative from The Lake at Cherry Lane?
Bradbury: Thank you Mr. Mayor, members of the Council my name is Steve Bradbury as
you know I am an attorney representing Steiner Development, the applicant who is
seeking approval for the Lake at Cherry Lane Subdivision. I guess there are actually two
things that we are here to talk about and I would like to take the second one first because
it probably fits better. Some time back in April I sent a letter to the Mayor and Council
asking the Council to take a second look at the findings and conclusions that they adopted
on the second of April with respect to that subdivision and you recall the one I am talking
about is the proposed senior complex over there. What the developer had requested in
connection with that project was that, it was a conditional use permit for a planned
development for this subdivision. Part of that planned development request the developer
was requesting release from certain of the setback requirements which are typically
required in the applicable zone in that case it was an R-15. The Council granted a number
of the developers requests in that respect but there was one that the Council did not and
that had to do with the reduction of the street sideyard setback from 20 feet to 15 feet, the
R-15 zone requires 20 feet setback between a structure and the street when it is a side
street. Since that time Mr. Campbell and I have been scratching our heads and try to
figure out how we might be able to suggest to you that perhaps you take another look at
it and give you a couple of reasons why. We were trying to think of what the issues might
be in your minds and I guess we have come up with a couple of the and there are probably
others but we have at least two. Those would be, I have to expect that one of the things
that you are worried about is safety for the driving public. As they motor around corners
you want to be able to see around the corner. And that is why the State, the City and the
highway district all have vision triangle requirements. That is one issue that we figure is
probably of some concern. The second issue is the aesthetics, you don't want to have
houses all jammed up against the streets. You want to have a little bit of space. So we
understand both of those issues and we think that we can accomplish both of them even
with a 15 foot setback. What I did is I sent a letter to you folks dated the 31st and I have
a drawing that looks something like this, did you folks all get one of those? What we did
is or Mr. Campbell asked his project engineer Keith Jacobs to do a layout and to show out
the streets might be set up and what we have here is a layout of the subdivision showing
the foot prints of the proposed structures on the lots as well as the patterns of the streets
and the sidewalks which would be built. What we asked Mr. Jacobs to do is to show the
vision triangles on each one of these corners that we are talking. It is these corners here,
here and here and around here that we are asking for a reduction in the setback from 20
to 15 feet. What we asked Mr. Jacobs to do is to show the vision triangle and how it meets
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the requirements not only of State code but the policies of the Highway District and in fact
exceeds the requirements of the City's ordinance to meet those vision triangles even
though we may only have a 15 foot setback. So that you are not mislead in any way there
are a couple of proposed lots, structures here that actually encroach by a couple of as I
understand it a couple two or three inches into that vision triangle and we fully
acknowledge that we would have to deal with that if the Council was inclined to reconsider
the setback requirement. For the most part the vision triangle is required by State law, it
can be complied with even with a 15 foot setback. Now the other thing that we expect
probably are thinking about is just the aesthetics and that is are these houses going to be
jammed up against the roads. You will recall that these are private streets, you approved
them as private streets and they are proposed to have 42 feet total right of way width, but
only 37 of those feet are actually going to be improved that is there is going to be 28 feet
of asphalt, 2 feet of curb and gutter on either side and then there is going to be a 5 foot
sidewalk on one side. So that gets us up to 37 feet, so five feet of unimproved road right
of way. What we also asked Mr. Jacobs to do is to design, to depict on the drawing and
show in the design how it is that if the improvements for the right of way were all put over
within one foot of the sidewalk side of the streets we would end up with an additional four
feet of unimproved area adjacent to each one of these corner lots that we were worried
about that we are asking to have some relief from the setbacks. That is what Mr. Jacobs
has done and our artistry, my artistry is not particularly good but the green is the area that
we are showing on the map as being those additional four feet which would exist of
unimproved area that when added to the 15 foot setback which is depicted on the drawing
would then result in there being a total of 19 feet between any structure and any portion
of the road right of way. So in essence what we are hoping the Council will recognize is
even with a 15 foot sideyard setback we are going to have nearly the 20 feet of separation
between homes and streets. We are hopeful that the Council will recognize given the fact
that these are private streets, they don't attach, there are no through streets here, they
service only this portion of the subdivision. We don't expect there will be a great deal of
traffic in the subdivision. It is a senior citizens complex or proposed to be one. We are
hopeful that it makes good sense in order to allow the project to proceed as it is presently
designed to reconsider your previous determination not to allow fora 15 foot side yard
setback and grant that relief at this point. With that I guess since you have so much more
business yet to do tonight I will be pleased to answer any questions if you have them.
Morrow: I have a question Mr. Bradbury, as 1 recall is this not a gated community?
Bradbury: Yes, the proposal is to have a gate in there. I guess the other thing that is on
your agenda tonight is the preliminary plat and of course we are holding onto the plat until
we know what you folks have in mind for the setbacks. Our expectation would be
depending on the outcome of this request then we would be able to present that
preliminary plat to you at a future date.
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Morrow: Mr. Mayor I would ask for comments from staff either Shari or Gary.
Smith: Mr. Mayor and Council members, I spoke with the developer and Mr. Bradbury a
week or more ago concerning these corner lots. The one thing that I asked them to
consider is the situation we find ourselves in quite often with people wanting to build
fences in the setback area on corner lots. Typically the corner lots are the same size as
the interior lots and the property owners which to have a back yard because they are
forced or faced with a side yard and front yard setback. So they come to the fence
variance committee that the City Council has formed requesting some relief from that side
yard setback fora 6 foot privacy fence. When we move five feet closer to the road, closer
to the street this becomes another issue or maybe a bigger issue because the fence
committee has been pretty much steadfastly holding to ten feet minimum from property
line. Those property lines in a standard subdivision are 2 feet behind the sidewalk. So that
from the sidewalk, the back of sidewalk to the building is 22 feet typically. We are
counting 10 feet off the back of sidewalk. So I don't know how this is going to be met with
the people building on the lots and the desires of having a sideyard fence closer than the
setback distance which in this case has been reduced to 15 feet or could be reduced to
15 feet with your action. In other words, there is not going to be much gain on a fence as
far as the fence variance committee and I am speaking myself but from the fence
committee's past performance in hearing and acting upon requests for variances. I think
they are going to hold to the ten feet in other words. So I don't want the impression that
there is going to be more room in these back yards because of this closer setback because
I personally don't feel that there will be. Thank you.
Corrie: Shari, any comments? Do you understand what he has said here?
Bradbury: I do Mr. Mayor and I apologize, I remember that we had this discussion a week
ago and I should have phrased it because at the time Mr. Campbell and I put our heads
together and said we understand what the City Engineer's concern is and it is a legitimate
issue and we kind of in our short hand talked back and forth and said we could probably
handle that in the restrictive covenants. Understanding that in addition to the City's
requirements we can adopt restrictive covenants which can regulate the location of fences.
Which Mr. Campbell is more than willing to do and we would of course accept any kind of
condition along those lines that you folks though was appropriate. Let me add one more
thing that we tend to forget as we go through these as months go by and we talk about
these projects in little bits and pieces. One of the primary features of this project is the
developer is going to build it out not only the subdivision improvements but also the homes
within the subdivision and also the landscaping on each of the lots including the fencing.
And so it is a total build out so the developer is going to have in essence at least initial
construction complete control on where everything is put and how it is built and the way
it appears. So to that extent I think by imposing an appropriate condition on location of
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fences and so that you folks all feel comfortable with it I think we can at least establish the
line in the sand if you will from the beginning. I will expect that the residents then would
probably have a tendency to accept what it is they buy when they buy it. And of course
the (inaudible) pleased to live with the reasonable condition with respect to fencing if that
is (inaudible).
Morrow: I have a question, with respect to the fences Steve, this is a PUD, planned unit
development basically, and it is an issue here where you are doing the build out.
(Inaudible) you don't see the typical 6 foot cedar fencing you see something more along
the lines of 3 foot rod iron fences and so on my question would be what is your plan for
fencing, you commitment to the fencing issue?
Bradbury: I am going to have to look over at Mr. Campbell because I have to tell you I don't
know the answer to the question. My reaction is like yours I would be surprised to see 6
foot cedar fencing around these lots. I would be very surprised to see 6 foot cedar fences
along any of these side yards.
Campbell: We will probably handle it with a 6 foot rod iron, probably 4 inches on center,
more of an open look.
Corrie: Thank you, any further comments from Council?
Morrow: I guess a follow up question Mr. Mayor to Gary Smith, the issues of is there a
difference in terms of rod iron and open fences as opposed to close fences with respect
to your committee?
Smith: Yes sir, by ordinance the fence can be in the setback area and be classified as
open up to 4 foot in height, up to 3 foot in height as a closed fence. An open fence is if my
memory serves me correct 20% of the space can be occupied by solid material.
Morrow: Thank you
Smith: So in one foot of length in fence 12 inches, 20°~ of that would be 2.4 inches of solid
material in one foot.
Corrie: Any other comments?
Rountree: I have another question for Gary, with the kind of proposal that has been
indicated here would that take care of your concern?
Smith: I don't know if I have an answer to that Councilman Rountree, if it taller than 4 foot
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even if it is open, I don't think the ordinance addresses anything that is taller than 4 feet
if it is open. I know there are some 6 foot chain link fences that exist, I am not sure they
were permitted into existence but they are there.
Bradbury: If it is will help I just asked Mr. Campbell if 4 feet was satisfactory to him and
he indicated to me that was just fine. I hope the Council does get hung on the six foot
fence because that is what Mr. Campbell happened to just pop out with. If the four foot
makes you feet better and makes the engineer feel better absolutely.
Corrie: I guess Council we don't have a procedure for reconsideration, however I guess
if there are no changes in the plat is that correct Shari does this change anything as far
as the plat is concerned? This specific change can be made, in your conditional use
permit. Counselor we discussed this this afternoon, do you want to further with that.
Crookston: (Inaudible) that the City Council has the authority even though we do not have
a reconsideration procedure that the Council can just of its own motion address a
reconsideration request. As I have previously stated though we do need a get a procedure
for it but that does not mean the Council does not have the authority to do it.
Rountree: I guess my question would be that it would follow the parliamentary process,
Roberts Rules process of a motion made by council person previously casting an
affirmative. If you voted for it last time you can make a motion if you didn't vote for it last
time you are out of line.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I would move that we approve the 15 yard set back for Cherry Lane
at the Lake No. 5 subject to any and all fencing meeting current City ordinances and set
back regulations.
Crookston: I think that it would be appropriate to state which lots that pertains to because
if you leave it as is then that would apply to all lots.
Bentley: Mr. Mayor, Walt can you restate that, motion because if I heard you correctly you
stated the motion was approve the 15 foot setback in accordance with the existing
ordinances for setbacks.
Morrow: No, that is not what I said, my motion was I believe to approve the 15 foot side
yard setback and that the existing ordinances with respect to fences be adhered to. In
answer to Mr. Crookstons point, in a PUD, we are addressing, the discussion here is we
are addressing the issue of these specific lots that are corner lots. But in the interior lots
we don't have a side yard setback problem. At this point in terms of the motion if we are
going to include the description of each of the lots that it applies then we need a menu of
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those lots.
Crookston: That is correct, possibly the easiest way to handle it is to just as Mr. Bradbury
indicated they could meet the vision triangle within a foot as I understood it is that not
correct Mr. Bradbury? That you could meet the vision triangle (End of Tape)
Bradbury: If I am understanding the question our engineer in calculating the vision
triangles has concluded that all of the lots would meet except there are a couple that had
a few inches that we would have to deal with through a redesign or somehow accomplish
which we would of course do. I think I can, if you feel it is important I can give you the
menu that you are asking for on the lots. But I might suggest that you simply talk in terms
of the 15 foot street side yard setback on corner lots. Now, I hate to make it more
complicated than it already is but there were these two lots up here at the entrance that
were allowed a 10 foot side yard setback so they would need to be excluded from
consideration. They already have the 10, like I say I hate to make it already complicated
than it is but we we are really talking about is the corner lots that would otherwise require
20 foot side yard setback simply requesting it be reduced to 15 and the motion could be
phrased in that form. If you would like a menu I could try and give that to you.
Morrow: Well at this point I want to withdraw the motion. I think given the discussion that
just took place and the other entry lots my preference now would be to have a menu of the
lots that we are talking about per the counselor's suggestion for Sake of (inaudible). Maybe
I might suggest while they are putting that menu together that we continue this and press
on with items 3 and 4 and then come back to this Mr. Mayor rather than wait or take a
recess while they put that together. Are you ready for that now?
Bradbury: I can read it to you, it is going to be Lots 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 46, 47, 51, 56, all
in Block 11.
Morrow: That is all of them then, those are the ones that show on our map here.
Bradbury: That is correct, wait I missed one, I am sorry, and 23, same block.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I would that we grant to the Lake at Cherry Lane No. 5 the 15 foot side
yard setback on Lots 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 46, 47, 51, 56, 23 of Block 11 and that each of
those lots meet the existing Meridian City fencing ordinance and specifications.
Rountree: I will second with a clarification.
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Rountree: 15 foot side yard variance, not 15 yard.
Morrow: Yes, 15 feet Mr. Rountree, that is my intention.
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree fora 15 foot side yard
setback meeting the existing ordinances for fences on Lots 23, 38, 38, 40, 41, 42, 46, 47,
51, 56 all of Block 11, and adhere to the existing ordinance (inaudible) any further
discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Corrie: I guess we need to go to the preliminary plat.
Bradbury: We just simply ask that you defer the preliminary plat until the next meeting to
give us an opportunity to present it in a final form for your consideration.
Corrie: That would be the 18th of June.
Rountree: Mr. Mayor, I move that we table the preliminary plat on the Lake at Cherry Lane
No. 5 until our next regularly scheduled meeting June 18.
Bentley: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Rountree, second by Mr. Bentley that the preliminary plat be
tabled until the next meeting June 18, any further discussion? All those in favor?
Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #3: TABLED MAY 7, 1996: FINAL PLAT: FIELDSTONE MEADOWS NO. 5
SUBDIVISION BY GARY VOIGT:
Corrie: Councilmembers you have in your packet a request to table this, they asked for an
indefinite time, I don't think we can do that we have to have a time.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor; in that case I would move that we table it until our meeting of July 2nd.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree that the final plat hearing be
tabled until July 2nd meeting, any further discussion? Opposed?
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MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #4: TABLED MAY 21, 1996: FINAL PLAT: PACKARD SUBDIVISION NO. 1 BY
PNE/EDMONDS CONSTRUCTION:
Corrie: We also have a request that be tabled until the meeting of June 18.
Morrow: So moved
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree that the final plat for Packard
Subdivision No. 1 be tabled until June 18, 1996, any further discussion? All those in
favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #5: TABLED MAY 21, 1996: ORDINANCE #731 - OLSON BUSH SUBDIVISION
NO. 2 ANNEXATION:
Corrie: I think they also requested that be tabled until the June 18th meeting. It was hand
delivered, sent by fax.
Bentley: Mr. Mayor, I have a question how crowded are we getting on the 18th?
Corrie: I don't know.
Miller: On the Olson Bush Subdivision I just asked that it be tabled until we can consider
my request that you consider your decision. That is the only reason that I did that.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor if I might add clarity to that, the request is we request that item 5 on
tonight's City Council agenda be tabled pending a decision from the City Council regarding
our request for reconsideration made on May 21, 1996. I do have that letter in my packet.
Corrie: I guess the question is how long do you want to table that until we can get the
information to Council for a decision.
Bentley: I just don't want to see another sleeping bag meeting.
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Corrie: (Inaudible) July 2nd.
Morrow: When are we hearing the appeal of the conditional use?
Rountree: Has that been scheduled? We just had precedent here.
(Inaudible)
Corrie: (Inaudible) if they have that information back or just reconsideration because we
don't have a procedure, we need to, if they have new information we have to open up the
public hearing.
Crookston: If they have new information yes. But if it is just a request for reconsideration
on the basis of the facts that we already have than it is just as we did for the Lake at
Cherry Lane.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I would see this issue as simply a reconsideration because what the
request in terms of the reconsideration is that the requirement for conditional use was in
error because the property is on the comprehensive plan as light industrial and we were
under the impression or at least the findings were written under the impression that it was
in fact not light industrial but something else. And so it seems to me that it is simply a
matter of reconsideration because we have not new information, clarification of a mistake
that in the applicant's belief that we made. So I think that I would like to see that done
simply as a reconsideration. I don't know that we couldn't do that tonight.
Corrie: Does everybody have the information in front of them to do that tonight?
Crookston: The concern that I had with which I had not determined because we were not
addressing the appeal was whether or not even though it is outside of the orange area on
the localized plan on the map on the wall that you see over there there was a question as
to whether or not the comprehensive plan still indicated that area should be governed by
the same procedures as it ground in the orange area which is a planned unit development
area and should therefore be required to have a conditional use for the uses within the
subdivision. And since we were not dealing with the appeal I did not look at that. But it is
the Council's decision.
Corrie: Council, do you want to take another two weeks to study it or do you want to go
ahead with it tonight, your pleasure?
Morrow: I don't have any problem going ahead with it tonight, that is my (inaudible)
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Rountree: So what we would be doing then is reconsidering the previous findings, the way
I understand this information.
Crookston: That is correct Charlie.
Rountree: And it relates to the condition put in the findings of fact that this would be
subject to a conditional use process.
Crookston: That all uses developed within the subdivision would have to be approved with
a conditional use permit which is the way it is in the planned development area.
Rountree: That is how it was presented when we approved the findings of fact I would
think that at a minimum we would have to at least advertise that we are going to discuss
the reconsideration of that for the record before we took action on it. Not that I am
opposed to dealing with it tonight but I think so we don't get the public that was involved
in this process earlier on caught by probably not going to know it is going to be
reconsidered anyway but at least if we notice it' or advertise it as such that opportunity is
available for them to understand what is going on. So it could be (inaudible)
Crookston: That would be correct and they have the opportunity if they so desire. It is still
the Council's decision.
Rountree: I understand that, we wouldn't be opening up the public hearing but there would
be opportunity for them to be present during the discussion. That is my only reservation
about hearing or acting on it tonight. (Inaudible)
Corrie: I guess I need one more person to comment or we could put it to a vote.
Morrow: I guess Mr. Rountree my question to you would be is that it appears given the fact
that we made a mistake how strongly do you feel about a publishing in a notice that there
is r~o input from the public and that essentially we are correcting one of our issues that to
quote this line which is exactly correct, the exact issue of requiring a conditional use permit
for permitted was debated at length at a public hearing held by the City Council on August
6, 1994. Essentially what we did when we approved these findings of fact including a
conditional use permit for every use within the subdivision is it went outside the area of
what it was we had already approved as a Council in 1994. And so I guess my point here
is that is there a benefit that it serves in terms of having delay for two weeks putting that
on the agenda and then not having the public have the opportunity to even testify because
what we are doing at least it appears to me would be a mistake that we made counter to
a decision that previously had reached some two years ago.
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Rountree: I would I think then go back and say I am not talking about, it is published as
part of the agenda for the meeting so knowledge is there. I would refer Council to the
paragraph or item 12 on page 14 of the findings of fact that you are talking about and there
is an action taken there that hasn't been done by the City. And that condition says that
there will be conditional use permit process until there is resolve on what can and can't
happen in light industrial and that has not been done to my knowledge.
Crookston: That is correct
Rountree: So I think even the previous Council was concerned with what potentials could
happen in that subdivision until that issue was resolved. 1 agree where you are coming
from Walt about the conditional use thing but when I read this that took care of my
concerns about not having to go the conditional use permit.
Morrow: I need to research it but I think part of the action taken by the Council in 1994
within the public arena was that everyone was made aware that those uses that were
permitted for those subdivision were subject to the updated industrial ordinance that Mr.
Corrie and I both worked on and finalized but yet the Council has not yet adopted it as part
of the zoning and development ordinance. I believe that was part of the approval by the
Council of no requirement for conditional uses that the owners and applicants be aware
and did in fact agree to comply with any updating of the zoning and development
ordinance. And so I don't know whether that answers your question or not. I would point
that out.
Rountree: It says quite clearly in that condition that they have to be agreeable with these
development changes, ordinances changes or they will be subject to conditional use.
Again, if that language were in the finding for this application I would, my reservations
previously would be taken care of. In not having conditional use requirements on
development in this area.
Morrow: Say that to me again?
Rountree: My concern in the previous finding that included the condition that they would
have to have a conditional use permit process for development within that subdivision was
based on the concern of what may or may not come into that area in terms of use. This
language takes care of that concern, it says, when we get that light industrial stuff done
which we need to do, the applicant agrees to what it is we come up in terms of uses that
won't be allowed and types of uses that are allowed under conditional use permit and
types of uses that won't be allowed. If they don't agree with that and their application is
for development in that subdivision would be subject to conditional use provisions.
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Tolsma: (Inaudible)
Rountree: I think it is something that we need to do, we are talking a year
Tolsma: (Inaudible)
Rountree: Well Walt's indication and the status of that is the formation of that is done it
has just never been brought before the Council.
Morrow: It has never been brought before the Council because our assignment as
Councilman was to deal with that and which we did and the issue and the reason that it
is sitting there doing nothing is that the Council's direction also was that we were going
to completely redo the whole ordinance, the whole zoning and development-ordinance.
If memory serves me directly and Bob correct me if I am wrong that procedure was to be
developed or is required to be developed between the P & Z and the Council in a joint
workshop. The issue is that we have not got that done yet coupled with the fact that we
were going to have staff and those folk present also changes that they wish to make in that
zoning and development ordinances. So if I remember right we were going to hit it from
all three aspects were we not Bob. The part that you and I did was a minor part.
Corrie: Preliminary yes, that is correct and we can stilt get the staff moving on that and get
the meeting and get it done. But it will still take some time.
Bentley: Mr. Mayor, I have a question since I wasn't here in 1994 when these were done
was that a condition that they would go along with a new ordinance that was coming in?
Rountree: That is written right in the findings. The framework that is there still reduces my
concern about the kinds of uses that could happen there. If we are going to reconsider to
change that portion of the findings to eliminate the conditional use permit requirement with
this kind of language substituted for that.
Crookston: The problem with using that kind of language although it is already there that
is what the findings of fact and contusions of law were initially approved on. The problem
with using that is if they sell a parcel of land to a entity, a person, it is not a part of their
application. It is going to be very difficult to enforce. I don't know maybe the applicant
would address whether there is a problem in having the City determine what they want to
do and decide it on June 18th.
Miller: I would just make a couple of comments, number one we fully agree to comply with
the revised or the zoning ordinance which will be adopted at a later date. We have no
plans to develop this property out in the next 6 months 9 months it would probably be a
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year from now. I think that would give you plenty of time to get that in place. It seems to
me from listening to the discussion that we almost have the makings of a decision here,
might as well. I don't mind waiting for the 18th but if we are set to do something tonight
why take your time on the 18th if we can do it tonight. We would fully agree to comply with
the new amended zoning ordinance, we don't have a problem with that. We would also,
I would even further state that we could make it a stipulation in the CC&R's that they
comply with if we were to sell off a lot that they comply with these facts and findings or the
decision of the Council that runs with the land.
Crookston: I appreciate that, but I still have a problem with having it eventually annexed
and zoned in that capacity without a specific decision by the Council whether or not the
comprehensive plan requires the conditional uses or if it does not because if you do sell
and for some reason these things happen and the City doesn't get to it then it is very
difficult. Shari do you have a comment?
Stiles: Mayor and Council I do believe that the development agreement that is required
as a condition of this annexation could specifically prohibit some uses and Fist those other
uses within the development agreement. The development agreement would be recorded
with the final plat and I think we would be covered that way.
Morrow: Let me take you up on that idea Shari, why don't you, we could incorporate the
document that Bob and I have crafted and have that serve that function because that
function is done.
Stiles: We could
Rountree: That is reasonable. (Inaudible) Mr. Mayor I would make a motion that we
reconsider the findings of fact and conclusions of law (inaudible) for modification related
to conditional use.
Bentley: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Rountree, second by Mr. Bentley that we consider the findings
of fact and conclusions of law for modification of the CUP, any further discussion? All
those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I would move that we amend the findings of fact and conclusions of
law for the Olson Bush Subdivision to delete the requirement for a conditional use permit
for all uses and instead insert the requirement that a development agreement which is
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required include also within it the proposed uses for light industrial area as they relate to
permitted uses, conditional uses and non-permitted uses.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree that we amend the findings
of fact and conclusions of law on the Olson Bush property to delete the requirement for
conditional use permits and insert the development agreement to include proposed uses
for light industrial area as permitted and non-permitted, any further discussion? All those
in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Corrie: On the ordinance Counselor do we need to amend that as well?
Crookston: We would need to amend the findings of fact, I have prepared the ordinance
but I think that we should approve the new findings.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor then I would move that we table item #5 on the Olson Bush annexation
ordinance #731 until our meeting of June 18.
Tolsma: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Tolsma, any further discussion?
Hearing none, all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #6: TABLED MAY 21, 1996: REQUEST FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR PORKY
PARK NO. 1 SUBDIVISION BY RON VAN AUKER:
Bentley: Mr. Mayor, I have a question for Shari, we received a new plat map tonight any
problems with that?
Stiles: Mayor and Council the plat I received today does address my concerns, I don't
know if Gary or anyone in Public Works Department has had a chance to review it as far
as their concerns. I feel that I don't have any problems with the plat.
Corrie: Is Gary here? Mr. Bentley do you want to hear their comments or do you want to
wait for Gary?
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Roylance: Mr. Mayor and City Council my name is Dave Roylance I am the civil engineer
for the applicant. About a week ago I delivered the revised plans over here the revised
preliminary plat. But regarding the 35 foot landscape lot we had inadvertently along
Franklin Road dimensioned it from old right of way instead of new right of way. Other than
that every other change done was submitted a week ago. That was brought to my attention
by Shari and (inaudible) so I came over here and red lined the plans about 8:30 this
morning that she had and I went back to my office and made the change in the computer
(inaudible) and delivered ten more plans over here this morning. So there was that one
miscommunication that misinterpretation that we corrected. But the plans had been here
about a week and I hadn't heard any comments back from Gary or Bruce.
Corrie: Thank you Dave.
Bentley: We received a new copy of the new plat map yesterday and I was wondering if
you had any problems with it?
Smith: I haven't looked real closely at the new one. I looked at the comments that we
made or that the applicant responded back to us from our previous comments and it
appears as though they addressed everything that we had from what the public works
department had commented on.
Corrie: I think the primary thing that was mentioned by Mr. Roylance was the fact that
Shari caught the attention that there was a five foot difference there, landscaping, is that
right Shari? Any further comments from Council?
Miller: I have a comment, the last time I stated that we are going to change the name as
part of the final plat. I am having second thoughts about that, if you saw the Statesman
yesterday morning it had an article about that and it is amazing how much attention this
name has gotten of a positive nature. Mr. Van Auker told me this afternoon that I should
once again offer to change the name if that is the Council's opinion. Also once again I
would like to ask that the Conditional use permit requirement not be required for this
project for permitted uses. Also that we have sidewalks on one side of the street only since
it is an industrial development. I would also like although I am flexible on this is the
pressurized irrigation I would like to, typically in our industrial developments we don't do
a lot of laws. We try to stay with drought tolerant shrubbery and go with drip irrigation
systems. This with the 35 foot landscape buffer or berm may present a little different
situation. I would also like the Council to consider that.
Rountree: Wouldn't we have to, we would have to have an application for a variance?
Crookston: That is correct.
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Stiles: Mayor and Council I would not support a variance on the pressurized irrigation
requirement because of those 35 foot setbacks and it being on an entrance corridor and
also the fact that they have a 20 foot planting strip required adjacent to the east property
line. I think there is going to be a lot more landscaping in these developments than has
been represented not by Van Auker but by all of these industrial developments in general
just to meet our ordinance requirements they are going to have more landscaping then
they think they are going to have.
Morrow: If I could make a comment on that the pressurized irrigation ordinance with
respect to industrial subdivisions in my mind each one of them should be looked at
separately because if you have got it is like the one we did at the last meeting, if you have
a lot of acreage of ground that is not going to be irrigated in any way shape or form it
doesn't make sense to tie up all of those water rights to that ground to irrigate 40,000 or
50,000 square feet when you have several hundred thousand of square feet of ground that
is under building and asphalt. So I think that we are in a bit of a dilemma here I don't want
to see a policy that goes away from that but by the same token I want the applicant to have
the opportunity to request a variance and understand that is a gamble on his part or her
part as the case may be. I think that what we have to weigh with respect to the
pressurized irrigation in industrial and commercial subdivision is that are we better off as
a society having it in there because of large amounts of landscaping and tying up those
water rights for that landscaping or if it is not percentage wise very much landscaping are
we better to have that water right distributed amongst ground that .heavily uses it. I would
hate to see a blanket policy of just now, I think that we have to look at each subdivision
independently.
Rountree: I think that is what we discussed with the last variance that it would kind of
depend on the site situation and the build out and whether or not they are on an entry
corridor and I agree with you Walt. We probably ought to take a look at the variance
eventually but for consideration at this point deal with those applications individually.
Morrow: Well having said that I at this point, I guess I am prepared to move that we accept
the preliminary plat for Porky Park Subdivision No. 1 subject to staff conditions and City
ordinances, ACHD requirements, Nampa Meridian requirements. If the applicant wishes
to ask for a variance from those he make the proper application for such.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree, any further discussion?
Hearing none I will call for the vote, all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
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Miller: Can I ask just one question, one of the staff conditions was a conditional use
permit, that was one of Shari Stiles conditions, item 6, "All development within the
subdivision is subject to approval through a conditional use permit process". Which once
again is contrary to the conditions of the annexation and zoning.
Rountree: It would be my opinion that the conditions of annexation and zoning would
override the staff comment, sorry Shari.
Crookston: I guess the comment that I have, isn't this land off of Eagle Road.
Miller: Yes
Crookston: So it is in a planned unit development area.
Miller: Not it is not, that is not consistent with your facts and findings and conclusions of
law.
Crookston: Well then I made a mistake. If I stated in the findings of fact it was not within
a planned unit development area but it is in an orange area, I know the area along Eagle
Road is within the planned unit development area.
Miller: Page 15 of the findings of fact and conclusions of law, that area is not in a mixed
planned use area which requires conditional uses for development, so conditional uses
should not be required as a condition of annexation and zoning.
Crookston: Shari, do you know if the land is within that planned unit area on the localized
planning map?
Stiles: On the map itself not it is not, I think what you were referencing in your findings was
the text. This also can be controlled through the development agreement, we can get very
specific as to what the requirements will be prior to any final plat being approved.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, then if I might offer a motion to move us along here. I do not have a
copy of the findings of fact and conclusions, but at this point I would make a motion that
under Shari Stiles' comment as lettered March 11, 1996 that we delete item 6, all
development within this subdivision is subject to approval through the conditional use
process and that upon final plat approval we subject this subdivision to the development
agreement which addresses the uses at that point in time.
Rountree: Second
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Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree, any discussion on the
motion? Hearing none, all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #7: PUBLIC HEARING CONTINUED PROM MAY 21, 1996: REQUEST FOR A
PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR BALLANTYNE TROUTNER BUSINESS PARK BY JIM
BALLANTYNE:
Michael Ballantyne, 2690 N. Mule Deer Way, was sworn by the City Attorney.
Ballantyne: Mr. Mayor as you know and members of the Council as you know we have
been before a number of times and have been tabled a few times here in our attempts to
have a portion of or a piece of property there off of Franklin Road, Meridian Road annexed
into the City and approved as a business park. At this point we are discussing the
preliminary plat. We understand based on discussions with Shari Stiles that there was
some challenges in getting some information to update our application and we believe that
we have all of those items we are not sure whether that will affect our hearing tonight. We
do request though that the City Council approve the preliminary plat for the Troutner
Business Park and I would be glad to answer any questions or concerns.
Corrie: Council, any questions?
Ballantyne: I would Mr. Mayor, if I could say one more thing, I would apologize for some
delays. We did have some problems getting some stuff to Shari. We have attempted to
go above and beyond the terms of the basic requirements for our annexation and rezone
and preliminary plat such as doing the utility profiles which I don't believe is normally
required and working with the Mayor to provide some information on contract zoning and
a few other items hoping that will prove helpful and calm some fears that staff and Council
may have on this project.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor at this time I don't have any questions for him, I think I would like to
see if there are any members from the public that wish to offer testimony on this issue?
Corrie: Is there anyone from the public?
Susan Kelly, was sworn by the City Attorney.
Kelly: I apologize but this is very impromptu, you may or may not have noticed that we
have been in here on several different occasions in hopes of testifying and talking to the
Council and Mayor. My husband and I have a great deal of concern based on our property
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adjoins the property that is about to be developed. As we have testified or I have testified
in the pest we have lived in the subdivision for a great deal of time and when we moved
into that subdivision we thought that someday that field would be open and we had been
very fortunate and that our children have grown up and have had the advantage of
growing up on the field that adjoins our property. The question that we had we knew when
we moved in it would be opened and we thought that someday it would be opened into a
residential area which would what we felt enhance our property. The way that we are
seeing it right now and the people that we have talked to and listening to the Ada County
Highway District and they estimate approximately 2,000 cars a day will now go in front of
our home where we previously only had a few people that had to turn around. I know the
plat may have been amended since we have seen it, if it has I am more than happy to look
at it and hear what has to go on there. We feel that there is going to be a great economic
disadvantage, I believe they call it an economic destructor from our property. We feel like
we have a substantial loss in equity in our property. We feel like we do not want
commercial adjoined to our property. We feel very strongly about this and hope that the
Council will take into consideration that I feel like a lot of our neighbors would be here had
we not had some many different hearings that I don't know 3:00 in the morning things like
that I think you have all been there. We would just like everybody to know what is going
on with this because it has been this, that, one thing or the other, changes here and there.
I think Shari can attest that I have bugged her on numerous occasions to find out what was
going on. I am just sincere in saying that my husband and I do not want commercial
abutted next to our property in fear that it is going to cost us a great deal of money. And
maybe I am wrong and maybe somebody can prove me that I am wrong but those are our
concerns up front. Are there any questions?
Morrow: Where is your property?
Kelly: Our property lies to the southwest corner. I believe Pennwood dead ends to that
property, (inaudible)
(Inaudible)
Kelly: Ada County originally, the last that we heard
(Inaudible)
K. Kelly: We are residential this is commercial (inaudible) we will listen to these
gentlemen and find out what they want to do on this plan:
Corrie: Any other public testimony at this time?
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Ballantyne: Mr. Mayor and members of the Council, certainly we feel that some of these
folks concerns are justified in fact we wholeheartedly opposed any cross connection
between this business park and the residential feeling that would not be in the best
interest of the residential. We felt that because Franklin takes such a load that a great deal
of traffic would come through that residential area. Eventually we see is this project
probably connecting to the extension of Corporate Drive to Meridian Road and East First
Street. We felt that we did not want our area to become a siphon for all of the traffic out
of that residential area for the traffic farther to the west. We oppose that the Ada County
Highway District finally agreed with us and did not allow either Pennwood or Barrett to go
through. In terms of a couple other items, we did meet with the neighbors and we offered
the neighbors that whose property runs along that East or West edge of the proposed
project to sell if all of the neighbors agreed we would sell a portion of that frontage to them
in order to create a buffer. We have only had I believe one individual that has expressed
an interest in doing that. We are however as requested creating a 35 foot landscape
buffer between the business park and residential. This is I believe 1.06 acres of
landscaping to try and create as strong a sense of distinction between the two projects.
In addition we will have fairly high landscape standards which we are working on now to
make sure that this doesn't adversely affect the residential residences to the west. One
other thing is that property there along that west edge will be limited office and therefore
it won't be any commercial use. We envision single level tilt up or brick office buildings.
Medical dental, engineering, USDA type of thing.
Morrow: Question Mr. Mayor, in your CC&R's do those address the issue of single level
buildings along those locations?
Ballantyne: We are still in the process of finalizing the CC&R's. The recommendations
that I made to the attorney who is formulating those is that in some areas that they be
limited to single level office and in some areas they be limited to two story office. We don't'
see the need for an eight story Belgravia office tower adjacent to this residential or
anything like that.
Morrow: (Inaudible)
Ballantyne: No, if that was the determination of the Council because of concerns we would
probably not have a problem with that. Very seldom in projects like this do you see
anything over 2 stories. I would site the Boise research center as an example. I believe
there are two buildings in the entire project that are over 2 stories, three buildings that are
over one story, excuse me.
Tolsma: (Inaudible) 50 foot easement that goes out to Franklin Road or Meridian Road
I should say, what is the time frame for getting the Corporate Drive extension.
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Ballantyne: That depends on many factors, Mr. Mayor, Commissioner Tolsma, that
depends on many factors. We are working with the adjacent property owners. It is our
desire to see commercial go through as quickly as possible. We are discussing with the
Highway District and (inaudible) where we actually using private monies put in Corporate
Drive and impact fees that are generated from that area would then compensate those
people to pay back the funds that were put out for the road. The discussion we had with
staff and ACRD was that we don't want to see this road go through, this is a requirement
of Ada County Highway District because of traffic counts. Their determination was that
once traffic reached a certain level that would have to go through. It is our desire not to
spend a great deal of money to put a road through that maybe a year later would be
vacated once Corporate Drive went through. Therefore we would try to time it that we did
not build out the project and have to expend those funds to put this access in that we
would go through a certain level, a certain level of traffic counts and once we reach that
point we would not be able to continue further to put that access through or Corporate
Drive was in and our desire would be to see Corporate Drive in.
Tolsma: (Inaudible)
Ballantyne: Right for fire and that type of thing. And Ada County Highway District also has
that requirement. That is why we have it there, we purchased that easement to see that
go through. The way we see that occurring the phasing of the project would begin on
Franklin Road and that would be the last area to be developed out with the hopes that
Corporate Drive would then be in and we would not have to put that road in.
Tolsma: (Inaudible)
Ballantyne: Russell Johnson's property, yes in fact Doug Tamura and Arthur Berry have
closed on a portion of Russell Johnson's property and we will be closing on the remainder
this year. They are very keen to see Corporate Drive go through that in order to see that
property be developed.
Tolsma: (Inaudible)
Ballantyne: Would that be the Goad's?
Tolsma: Yes Goad's property and then there are some other people back off of that
extension of the Landing Subdivision or something.
Ballantyne: We have been in discussion with the Skyline Corporation as well as a
representative of the Goad's and are very intent on seeing that go through.
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Tolsma: That is what I was wondering what the plan was there, what the time frame was.
Ballantyne: Part of that would depend on the City what type of support we are able to
garnish from the City and of course ACHD. It is in the CIP, the Capital Improvements Plan
of Ada County Highway District but it is currently unfunded.
Bentley: I have two questions, did he satisfy your problem?
(Inaudible)
Kelly: I guess I had a question as to, you state that people were contacted that the
property may be available, see we were contacted by a company that was doing more or
less what they determined a survey last year and we kind of heard through the grapevine
(inaudible) that property was available. I don't know that my neighbors have been
sufficiently notified that is an option and that was one of the things my husband and I are
looking at. Not only did we not Pennwood broke open we would want an option to have
ore than just 35 foot, 35 foot is not a lot, although it is something. It is not enough, we
want to be able to hopefully have the option of all the neighbors, I don't think the neighbors
know that option is out there to maybe buy that property as a whole I don't think that has
been properly notified. I want to make sure that if ACHD is saying one thing and I just
want to make sure that they are not going to break Pennwood open, that is a major
condition to us at this point.
Jim Ballantyne, 10250 Whispering Cliffs Drive, Boise, was sworn by the City Attorney.
Ballantyne: First off Pennwood is blocked, are you satisfied with that?
(Inaudible)
Ballantyne: Pennwood is blocked, ACHD has agreed to that. We opened up the possibility
of land owners of purchasing a strip of ground on that west side. Every property owner has
been notified of that including yourselves. We have a record of the conversations. Wayne
Forrey notified everybody. We only had and the stipulation the caveat was that we would
not sell to one, everybody had to go. We don't want a sawtoothed effect on that west
boundary. If everybody, if all the 12 lot owners and there are 12 lots along there if
everyone of them agreed to purchase I think it was a 15 foot strip we would agree to sell
but now to five or any proportion, we didn't want any slots left. Only one person out the
12 came forward, so as far as we are concerned everybody has been given the
opportunity. So, are there any other questions?
M. Ballantyne: I think the confusion comes with the fact that Ada County Highway District
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did initially in their staff report indicate that street would go through and we fought that, we
didn't think that it should. Then Ada County Highway District based on a traffic study
determined that was correct that it should not go through. So you may have seen the
original staff report and since then that has been amended. But the Ada County Highway
District at the public hearing did approve the streets as laid out in that preliminary plat with
no access to that subdivision either through Pennwood or Barrett.
Bentley: I wanted to ask staff if they have any foreseeable problems with changes?
Stiles: Councilman Bentley, Mayor and Council, we have not sent this back out to some
of the agencies that need to respond to it. The Planning and Zoning Commission did
approve a different plat. It did show Pennwood going through, there are some relocations
and different stub streets in this now. The Eight Mile Lateral which was shown as being
relocated along the boundary is now shown in its present configuration. Staff has not had
the time to re-review this new plat. I do have some concerns just preliminarily looking at
it. Such as Lot 11 of Block 2 there is an easement through there, they would be required
to fence that with anon-combustible fencing along the easement line. It looks like they
maybe have ten feet left for frontage. I also have a problem in that this plat is not entirely
accurate. The dimensions shown on here some of them do not scale to the dimensions
shown. It is my understanding they are going to have an engineer prepare the final plat
that will be accurate. Those are just some of my concerns. I think that some time the City
and the residents maybe not the immediately adjacent residents are going to regret not
having any kind of an access whatsoever be it pedestrian access or some way to get there
without going to Franklin Road.
Corrie: Gary?
Smith: Mr. Mayor and Council members, I haven't had a chance to look at the revised plat,
I think the plat that you have or that they have submitted carries a lot of revisions that we
had previously discussed wit the applicant in kind of a design review meeting you might
say based on some of the things that have happened during the review process by
ourselves and by their agencies. They did submit a preliminary plan profile for the sewer
and it does appear that the property can be sewered by gravity proposes to existing
sewers. I did have a question on the north, the service line for the property on the north
side of Eight Mile lateral which would be SW 5th Street. That will just have to be
answered by their engineer. Other than that I guess I don't have any other comments. I
did appreciate receiving that profile, it does show that they can cross underneath the Eight
Mile Lateral with adequate separation and that the property can be sewered and I think
we can also extend the sewer on to the east in that access easement and pick up that
commercial property there without having to rely on anything in Meridian Road.
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Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I have a question Gary, it is my understanding now according to this
latest plat that we have that essentially they are talking about Pennwood Street as having
a 60 foot right of way which is a dedicated street, is that correct. I am on the east side here
headed towards Meridian Road. Then it is a 50 foot access easement that still leaves, that
is not a dedicated roadway, is that correct?
Smith: It is an access easement through that piece of property that is owned by Norm
Fuller. It is labeled as an access easement.
Morrow: What does that mean for us in terms of our ordinances and in terms of us having
two ways in and out and so on and so forth.
Smith: It is shown as part of this plat by the heavy boundary line and I can only assume
that the owner of that property has consented to the use of that 50 foot width as an access
from Meridian Road to this property. I know that he wanted his property included as part
of the annexation, I don't know if that happened or not.
Morrow: I guess let me rephrase the question, a 50 foot access easement means that
access easement is at the pleasure of that property owner or is that access easement
essentially there in perpetuity so that it is cub and guttered and sidewalked and paved to
ACRD standards, what does the build out of that mean?
Smith: Well it was my understanding that it was going to be a roadway an improved
roadway. I don't know if the applicant is desirous of doing something different than that,
but that was my understanding that there was going to be (inaudible) because Pennwood
Street was going to be blocked off on the west that this was going to be an access,
secondary access into this subdivision, an improved access.
J. Ballantyne: Yes, Norm Fuller requested the annexation and to be part of this annexation
and rezone. I think that is on file isn't it Shari, that request. We agreed to that. This 50 foot
access if you will notice this extension of Pennwood Street on the south boundary it is
straight, it goes straight on through. According to ACHD at the time that Norman Fuller
goes for development here you will notice that the north boundary there is an 8 foot or 10
foot slit back to the south and he will have to build out the same as our street, he will have
to give up some extra easement and we are being (inaudible) if in fact we have to use this
easement that we do indeed have to put in the sidewalks, curbs .and gutters then on the
south side and at the time that the Fuller property is developed the north side will in fact
have to come up to the 60 foot right of way and also have sidewalks, curbs and gutters.
That is my understanding. I think that if you go to the minutes of the ACRD meeting that
is what was placed in there. So if in fact Pennwood has to be used we will in fact be the
same width as ours, fully developed curb and guttef and sidewalks on both sides. Thank
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you.
Corrie: Any further comments from the public?
Kelly: I was just going to comment one more time, is it possible to get market surveys
done to know if there is any estimated degeneration of our home equity, is it possible as
a requirement so that we know what we have worked so hard for the last 8 years to build
up is that going to be maintained?
Corrie: I don't know that there are people that do that. I guess (inaudible) happened to
them and see if there is anybody, I don't know of any specific company that does that to
give you a rock solid estimate of your house either going up or depreciating.
Kelly: Well if we stand to lose $10,000 why should we agree to want this to go through?
Corrie: That is your prerogative to agree or not to agree. But I don't think there is any
service that I am aware of.
Kelly: Real estate companies I know that talking to my employer he said that there are
economic destructors and he lives on Amity and he happens to have an economic
destructor in that he has thousands of people in front of his everyday. First the guy behind
his house (inaudible) influxation of traffic and I am just wondering if these commercial
buildings aren't going to be an economic destructor to our property. If there isn't a way we
can find out before we, we want the man to make a living.
Corrie: With the streets blocked off I don't know how they would be able.
Kelly: Well you have an eye sore type of a situation, in my opinion you have an eye sore
type of situation versus we were residential and now we are abutted up against
commercial in a sense.
Corrie: Thank you, any further comments from the public? One more time.
Ken Kelly: I was just in question with the Mayor and Council about the asking the
developer what kind of buffer zone. What type of back set this would be if it was to go
through on the west side of their development?
(Inaudible)
Kelly: I am curious.
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Ballantyne: I would be glad to speak to that, we are in the process of landscape standards,
so we don't currently have those. What we foresee based on our discussions is that this
would be a 35 foot berm landscape setback that there would be, we would actually put in
as per requirement of the City that we would put in all the landscaping and not each
individual property owner putting the landscaping in. That way there would be continuity,
it would create a greenscape between the office users and the residential users.
(Inaudible)
Ballantyne: That would be maintained by each individual owner but the CC&R's the
covenants of the subdivision would require that be maintained to a certain standard.
(Inaudible)
Ballantyne: The entire 35 feet is on the east side and it would be entirely maintained by
the property owner on our side.
(Inaudible)
Ballantyne: I can't speak exactly to what it would look like. We certainly don't believe that
it would be an eye sore. And speaking to the specific concerns about commercial
development,
(Inaudible)
Ballantyne: I would just site the examples of Hewlett Packard and the subdivisions
adjacent to that. The Boise Research Center and all of the residential development
around Park Center. I don't believe any of those commercial uses has been a negative in
fact I believe it has been a positive to lessen the amount of commuters on the roads in that
being we are trying to create a scenario where people can walk to work that type of thing.
If anybody works at HP they know that probably 50% of the employees at HP walk or ride
their bikes to work. So we think this will (inaudible).
Corrie: Thank you Mike, Jim, one more time.
J. Ballantyne: I empathize with your concern, I don't see how you would think that your
property is going to be depreciated, it is not commercial, it is an office park. All those down
the west side of our subdivision is limited office it is not commercial. It is more or a
campus type setting. There is a 35 foot set back maintained landscaped and maintained
and under pressurized sprinkler system. That would be brought right up to your property
line. It would be nice long and grass, fully irrigated, fully landscaped. I would think in fact
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it would appreciate your property not depreciate it.
Corrie: Any further testimony that we haven't heard from the public now? Council any
further comments for the public hearing?
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I guess in terms of the public hearing I have several comments that
I wish to make of areas that I have problems with here.
Corrie: I will close the public hearing and Council comments Mr. Morrow.
Morrow: I have a problem first of all with the concept of the Corporate Drive extension that
is unfunded currently. There is no reason to believe that in the foreseeable future that will
in fact be done. The proposition was put forward whether the Council would support
impact fee funds for site specific. Currently we're hounding and working and whatever with
ACHD very hard to get those impact fees done and Franklin/East First taken care of in our
first priority, Ten Mile, Overland and those areas taken care of. Corporate Drive extension
would serve a very small amount of people in comparison to those other major roads. So
it might be from a certain sense from the Council's standpoint a bit hypocritical to be
pounding on ACHD for these other major thoroughfares that we so desperately need but
then looking at a concept and endorsing site specific impact fees. The other thing is that
some of this is predicated on how it is we choose to annex and zone properties towards
the western end of this Corporate Drive. Many of those may end up to be residential as
opposed to commercial or office or whatever. I am troubled by the 50 foot access
easement and what that means in light of no commitments to the Corporate Drive
extension in the foreseeable future. The third issue that I am bothered by or bothered
about is that it seems to me that we have substantial changes here from what was
originally proposed and that the property forum for that would be for P & Z to address
these issues, re-hear the issues, give the public their chance to se what in essence a new
proposal. i would personally like to see some more good commitment to what does the
buffer zoned mean and what is the buffer zone. As part of those presentation, I think there
is a a lot gray areas here. So, from where I am coming from based on the staff's
comments and based on the letter that I have read here of My 20th. In part it says we
would however like (inaudible) at the June 21st hearing. This would allow us to work with
staff to resolve any concerns that could be at your June I am not sure that I understand
that that means, but in any case it seems to me that there is enough substantial change
since this was at P & Z that in all rights it ought to go back to P & Z and be presented there
in its new format. Those are my concerns.
Corrie: Any further comments from Council?
Rountree: My comment is that I guess conceptually I think it is a doable plat, it is a doable
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project but it doesn't seem to go much beyond concept. We have what is called a
preliminary plat that was put together by Wayne Forrey. I don't believe it meets any of our
ordinance requirements for a preliminary plat. And I would echo Walt's concern about
there seems to be significant changes that are presented here that were not presented at
Planning and Zoning. I guess I would have a question for Council, if we feel that way
should we send it back to Planning and Zoning and have it reheard and have an official
engineered preliminary plat presented for the public to comment on at that point?
Crookston: That is totally up to the Council.
Corrie: I might just tell you that the Corporate Drive program as far as the developers
putting that in that was a suggestion from the Ada County Highway Commissioners
themselves, I don't know, did I discuss that with you Walt?
Morrow: No, we didn't discuss that.
Corrie: One of the, Sherrie Hubler called me and I questioned her about that because we
had discussed that in a meeting. She said that came from their own Commissioners the
possibility that might happen and to do that it would have no bearing on other road
development whether it will or not I will just have to take her word for that. That did come
from the Ada County Highway Commissioners recommendation to the applicant just for
your information on that. Mr. Bentley?
Bentley: I would have to agree with Walt and Charlie, we have got quite a bit of changes
here and I think P & Z needs to revisit this issue.
Corrie: I would entertain a motion from the Council, Mr. Tolsma do you have any
comments?
Tolsma: (Inaudible)
Corrie: Having heard from all of the Council and the attorney I would entertain a motion
to your pleasure?
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I would move that we remand the Ballantyne Troutner Business Park
back to P & Z for a rehearing.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree that we remand the request
for a preliminary plat for the Ballantyne Troutner Business Park by Jim Ballantyne back to
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Planning and Zoning. Any further discussion? Hearing none all those in favor?
Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Ballantyne: Mr. Mayor do I have the option now to just withdraw this completely until it is
a friendly atmosphere in Meridian toward development?
Corrie: It is in your hands at this point.
Ballantyne: I think that at this point in time I will want to consider just absolutely
withdrawing the piece of land for development for any purposes in the City of Meridian. I
feel I have really gotten the run around from your guys and we have been at this for a long
long time. All of the changes to the plat was because of your comments and because of
the comments of ACHD. I want to consider the option of just forgetting about the City of
Meridian for development of any land over here.
ITEM #8: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW FOR THE ANNEXATION
AN ZONING REQUEST FOR BALLANTYNE TROUTNER BUSINESS PARK BY JIM
BALLANTYNE; TABLED MAY 21,1 996:
Corrie: I would entertain a motion, Counselor, would that be a motion to be discontinued,
tabled or what? Tabled if he doesn't go on with the preliminary plat (.inaudible)
Crookston: The findings of fact and conclusions of law on the annexation and zoning are
not.
Corrie: So we need to
Crookston It is up to the Council as to whether you want to act on them or not or to table
them because there are going to be changes in the plat. The plat is a different issue than
the annexation and zoning. It is totally up to Council as to whether or not you want to
table it until you know what is going on, until you give him an opportunity to withdraw the
whole application. He could withdraw the plat application and still have the property still
annexed and zoned.
Rountree: I have a question on Jim's comment to staff, was he never instructed on how to
prepare a preliminary plat. We have never seen a preliminary plat that meets in my opinion
our ordinance requirement, this certainly does not meet our plat requirements I don't think,
it is not engineered, it is a concept.
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Stiles: I have often expressed my dissatisfaction with this plat.
Rountree: Then I think we are talking the same thing.
Stiles: It is just slightly better than something we might get on the back of a napkin.
Morrow: If I might, and I have to go to the staffs defense here, I understand Mr.
Ballantyne's frustration. But gosh darn we were in a meeting, Mayor Corrie and myself
and I believe Shari Stiles and Gary Smith, Norm Fuller and at any rate I thought that the
points were well made at that meeting that we as a Council needed precise information
as to what it was we were going to do. Or what it was they were going to do so that we
can have some sense of what we were buying for our community. The point is yet today
I still don't see any reflection of any of the discussions that we have had before. ~ don't see
any reflection of the discussions that we had then, we talked about, the staff talked about
their requirements and gosh darn it there has been really no change. We are still looking
at in my opinion a zoning and annexation of property with basically no commitment on the
part of the development folk to any of the things that we have to have in todays world to
make these things doable. I use that meeting as a case in point the Avest project on the
corner of Locust Grove and Fairview which essentially committed to everything at point of
annexation and zoning to and including drawings and pamphlets and booklets and
neighborhood testimony.
Rountree: Well I wasn't meaning that towards staff I was just wondering if there is gross
confusion or perception on the part of the applicant that we don't need information in
Meridian, apparently that is the case.
Stiles: The applicant's representative chose to try private meetings with the Mayor rather
than talk to me directly.
Bentley: Mr. Mayor, would be appropriate to say table this for 30 days to see what his
response is going to be?
Morrow Or table it for 60 days, it needs to be tabled because I am not willing to buy off on
the annexation and zoning.
(Inaudible)
Stiles: Mayor and Council even the amount of property that was to be zoned limited office
and commercial has changed significantly so I don't even believe those findings would
apply anymore, at least they would need to be revised.
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Rountree: So that would go back to P & Z as well.
Corrie: Also Council I think that the road study was done in February and that was before
changes were done as well.
Crookston: You should table it to (inaudible) to a Council meeting date.
Bentley: I make a motion that we table this to August 20, 1996.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Bentley, second by Mr. Rountree that this item 8, findings of
fact and conclusions of law be tabled to August 20, 1996, any further discussion? All
those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #9: TABLED MAY 21, 1996: LATE COMERS AGREEMENT FOR GEMTONE
CENTER NO. 2:
Corrie: We have a request that this be, not be submitted until June 6th as the agreement
has not been reviewed by the City Engineer and City Attorney. It doesn't specifically state
there.
Rountree: Well this is the 2nd or third time they have requested this, how long is this going
to take?
(Inaudible)
Bentley: I make a motion we table this until the second of July.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Bentley, second by Mr, Rountree to table this until July 2nd,
any further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
FIVE MINUTE RECESS
ITEM #10: FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW FOR VARIANCE
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REQUEST FOR RAILSIDE SUBDIVISION BY RON YANKE:
Corrie: Council you have the new findings in front of you, any comments?
Morrow: Mr. Mayor I would move that we adopt the findings of fact and conclusions of law
for the variance for Railside Subdivision as written.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree to approve the variance, the
findings of fact and conclusions of law for the variance, any further discussion? Roll Call
vote.
ROLL CALL VOTE: Morrow -Yea, Bentley -Yea, Rountree .- Yea, Tolsma -Yea
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Corrie: Is there a decision?
Rountree: Mr. Mayor I move that it is decided that the application for a variance from 11-9-
6066 14. is approved.
Bentley: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Rountree, second by Mr. Bentley, any further discussion? All
those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #11: REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A PHOTOGRAPHIC
PORTRAIT STUDIO BY BERTON & DEANNA SPENCER:
Corrie: Is either one here tonight?
Spencer: My wife and I would like to sell portrait photographs out of our home which is
at 213 East Third here in Meridian. The majority of our work is going to be with off site, in
other words doing weddings, and doing senior portraits. I do most of my senior portrait
work on location. The majority of the time when I need work done for annual photographs
and that sort of thing I can do that in my home. Originally I had thought about or wanted
to enclose my carport to do that but the Commission didn't see fit to that idea so we have
dropped that idea. There won't be any signs, it is by appointment only and we will just be
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doing advertising like the school newspaper and the yellow pages and that sort of thing.
Corrie: Council, questions?
Rountree: You have had the opportunity to review the findings of fact and conclusions
prepared by Planning and Zoning? And do you have any comments on those?
Spencer: No I don't, I plan on working with them as closely as possible.
Bentley: Mr. Mayor, does staff have any problems or questions on this?
Corrie: Staff?
Stiles: Councilman Bentley and Mayor and Council considering that no one came that was
opposed to the conditional use permit I wouldn't see a great problem with it as long as they
comply with the findings of fact and also that they commit that they will not do any film
processing of any kind at this site.
Spencer: And we are committed not to processing any film at that site.
Corrie: Thank you, any further questions?
Rountree: Mr. Mayor I would move that Meridian City Council adopts the findings of fact
as approved and prepared by the Planning and Zoning Commission.
Tolsma: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Rountree, second by Mr. Tolsma, any further discussion? Roll
call vote.
ROLL CALL VOTE: Morrow -Yea, Bentley -Yea, Rountree -Yea, Tolsma -Yea
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Corrie: Is there a motion on the decision and recommendation?
Rountree: Mr. Mayor I would move that the Meridian City Council approve the Conditional
Use Permit requested by the applicant.
Tolsma: Second
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Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Rountree, second by Mr. Tolsma that the decision and
recommendation of the Planning and Zoning Commission be approved for the conditional
use permit requested by the applicant, all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #12: REQUEST FOR HOOK UP TO SEWER AND WATER BY DOUGLAS AND
SUZANNE STANDLEY:
Corrie: They are not here, Gary, they are not here do you have any comments?
Smith: Mr. Mayor, I haven't heard from the applicant or from the people requesting to
connect. I gave City Clerk Berg some information on the costs that were involved not only
the assessments fees but there were also some fees for work that had been done when
Meridian Road was rebuilt.
Morrow: I would move that since we have no input from the applicant in either direction
that we table this until our June 18 meeting for a presentation by them or an acceptance
of the conditions by them as the case may be.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree to table this to the June 18th
meeting, any further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #13: REQUEST FOR EXTENSION TO RECORD ENGLEWOOD CREEK
SUBDIVISION PLAT:
Corrie: Is there a representative from Englewood Creek Subdivision here, Mr. Roylance?
Roylance: Mr. Mayor and City Council, my name is Dave Roylance and a civil engineer
representing the applicant. If I could just read you this letter into the record, (inaudible)
but I think it is quicker to get the information to-you. And I can respond to any questions
on this letter. This is addressed to Mayor Corrie, Councilman Morrow, Tolsma, Rountree
and Bentley, Gary Smith, City Engineer, Bruce Stuart, Shari Stiles, Bruce Freckleton and
Rick Clinton. This is regarding Englewood Creek Subdivision final plat construction. "Dear
Meridian City Officials, our client Ray Patel, the owner/developer of the above referenced
property authorized us to expedite the approval and final plat recording of this project. As
you know project approval has been extended a couple of times and the City is very
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anxious for this project to finalize and go to construction or to be terminated. The City has
in fact given the owner until July 5, 1996 to have construction under way and we have
been working diligently to meet our time frame. A portion of the project can be under
construction by July 5, 1996. However certain elements of the project may not be approved
for construction by July 5. If we were the only player in the process the engineering work
could easily be completed by July 5, 1996. However all regulatory agencies including the
City of Meridian have asked for updates and significant revisions to the plans. I have
tactfully asked for priority treatment from some of the agencies because of the July 5
deadline. Understandably all agencies including the City of Meridian are very busy with
their own commitments, their own priorities and time tables. I believe that everything could
be accomplished by July 5, 1996 if the previously approved plans conditions of approval
and approvals from the various agencies would have remained valid and without
significant change. However when all review agencies request significant updates to the
plans and the updates require review and approval by the agencies it add an extra time
element that we are unable to control. The only control that we have is to be certain the
project is not delayed in our office. I know that the City of Meridian staff and other agencies
resent continual phone calls begging for construction plan approval but I have reasonably
refrained from doing so out of respect for their work load and their commitments. Approval
of the final plat at the Ada County Engineer's office is a 3 week process at best. We are
unable to submit to this agency without having approval letters from the City of Meridian,
ACRD, CDHC, DEQ, and other agencies. I am concerned that we will have 98% of the
work completed and approved and a considerable expense to Mr. Patel and we will run
out of time. So that in essence is why I am here to give you a project update and tell you
where I am in the process and also communicate my concern that I don't think that we or
anybody else can record it by July 5 given the fact that we have to have this reviewed by
agencies and they have their own schedule and time frame and so forth. I thought if we
could talk about that and get some discussion and some help. I can assure this Council
that I have been given instruction by this client to get this thing going without delay. That
is his mind set is to go forward and get it done and we are doing everything we can to get
it done. Again, we are somewhat at the pace of the agencies:
Bentley: What do you think the time extension is that you need Dave?
Roylance: I will answer that in just a second, I hate to give a time certain because again
a lot of these things are just out of my control. Let me answer that in just a minute. And
then first tell you where I am. Just today at 5:00 I got the approval from Rick Clinton of the
City of Meridian on the plans. I will say he has been very diligent and very good in
responding in spite of his heavy work load. But nonetheless, I am not saying this at all
being critical. The plans probably were in Meridian City a total of maybe 30 days
something like that which given his workload is reasonable. The same thing happened at
ACHD. But if I have a 90 day window to get it done but 30 days of it sits in Meridian, 30
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days sits in ACHD which is again reasonable, given how busy everybody is there is not
much time left for me to do the things. I think maybe in another 30 days beyond July 5, we
might be of record. I think we are ready to go to apre-construction conference. I also have
the ACHD approval letter, or I had a voice message that there was one minor revision that
we would have updated approval from ACHD. I had to resubmit all the existing plans to al
of the agencies and all of them asked for revisions to current standards. Some of those
were significant work. Those two approvals are secured. DEQ previously approved the
plans and they have told me verbally if I have a new approval letter from the City that
should expedite the DEQ approval. I think I can go to the City this week and schedule a
preconstruction conference I don't know if, a lot of times the lending institutions that fund
developers will not allow construction to begin without a final plat being recorded. I think
we can go to construction quicker actually than we can have the final plat recorded. If his
lending institution says we don't want you to start construction until the plat is recorded we
could be two months behind the July 5 drop dead date simply because of the processes
we have to go through. But again our mind set and my directions are pretty clear get this
done without delay. If you don't have the resources to do it I will go somewhere else and
get it done. We convinced him we could do it as quick as the next guy.
Corrie: Council, any comments?
Rountree: Given the scenario you portrayed you are looking at potentially September?
Roylance: I am guessing that, again, I know it is late I don't want to belabor this but some
of the little funny issues that just built in some time we heard very recently in the last few
days from the City of Meridian and again I am not saying this critically I see the reasons
for it that we have to mail a letter out now to I think it is 11 or maybe 15 downstream water
users of the irrigation water and give them a two week window of opportunity to respond
to whether or not we can the the ditch. We did this before about a year and a half ago and
all of the letters came back okay or if they don't respond by two weeks in the letter we
assume it is okay. Nobody has yet said what is going to happen, if one of them comes
back and says we don't want it you got to the the ditch well then there you go again
somebody has to deal with that issue. And again me or you or nobody else can control
that. In answer to your question though given the fact that I am still guessing I would say
yes about 2 more months from where we are should get this thing going.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I think 2 more months from where we are today is August 5th, I would
be willing to extend the extension to August 6th.
Roylance: Mr. Morrow, what I really meant was two months from July 5th.
Corrie: September then.
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Roylance: The reason I came to you a day and a month early is because I can see I am
going to be in trouble a month from now.
Morrow: Okay, our first meeting in September then is in fact the third so I don't have a
problem with extending it until the 3rd.
Roylance: Can I come back to you in August and talk to you and give you and update
rather than have a date certain, some of these things are out of my, I have to think that
maybe your concern is this thing has been sitting around too long time of city time and
resources and why somebody is trying to sell it. Maybe I can give you some comfort that
we really are going forward if I come back on August 5th.
Morrow: I think that what I am trying to convey to you Dave is yes it is tying up too much
time, effort and yes it has been out there too long and from my perspective September 3rd
is kind of it. So that is another 90 days, let's be done with the project and on down the
road or be done with the project period. A large part of what you are describing to me is
re-do of work because it was delayed for whatever reasons in the beginning. Very
candidly I guess I am out of patience.
Roylance: I understand it is tough on me too that it sat this long and then we have to get
everything refreshed. But I understand your position and I appreciate the help that you
have given me.
Morrow: So for the benefit of the Council that is how I feel about the project. I would move
that we grant an extension of the time to record Englewood Creek plat to September 3,
1996.
Bentley: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Bentley that we grant the extension
to September 3, 1996, any further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Roylance: Thank you very much for your help.
ITEM #14: MARTY GOLDSMITH: NON-DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR LOS
ALAMITOS NO. 2:
Goldsmith: Mr. Mayor and Council members this is a release of anon-development
agreement that we entered into several months back and we were hoping to proceed
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forward like we told you we would in constructing phase 2 of phase 2 of Los Alamitos.
Corrie: I don't have that in my file.
Morrow: I don't have any paperwork on that either. It was described on our deal just as
Marty Goldsmith, Non-Development Agreement for Los Alamitos No. 2. So we are doing
a release of the non-development agreement.
Berg: (Inaudible)
Corrie: So this is just approval for release.
Berg: (Inaudible)
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, if I might ask the Counselor do we have certain conditions in terms of
that release that are necessary to be met?
Crookston: The only thing that we have is that he provide security or cash deposit for the
improvements.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I would move that we do the release of the non-development
agreement subject to the conditions set forth for that release as stated by Counselor
Crookston.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree that we release the non-
development agreement for Los Alamitos No. 2 subject to the conditions as set forth by
the Counselor, any further discussion?
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I think that may not have been a very good motion to the extent it
should have been conditions of the counselor and of the non-development agreement.
Rountree: I believe you did say that.
Corrie: I believe that you did and I didn't write it down. Okay, to the conditions and non-
agreements, any further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
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AGREEMENT RELEASE:
Corrie: We have a letter from Tracy Persons, project coordinator.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I am prepared to make the same motion that, I move that we agree to
the non-development agreement release for Summerfield Subdivision N0. 2 Phase 2
subject to the terms and conditions of that non-development agreement.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree, any discussion? Hearing
none all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #16: REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR AN AUTO SALES LOT
BY ADVANTAGE AUTO INC.:
Sherer: Mr. Mayor and Council my name is Steve Sherer I am an attorney here in
Meridian. I am bringing this application on behalf of co-applicants Advantage Auto Sales
Inc. and Zamzows Inc. We have received and reviewed the findings of fact and
conclusions of law of the Planning and Zoning Commission. We would have some
comments regarding the landscaping strip width and the sidewalk and other concerns with
the landscaping and the Council is probably aware from the findings of fact and
conclusions of law that is the main problem that we have with Ms. Stiles and the Planning
and Zoning Commission. We have not been able to resolve this yet. I did have a meeting
with Ms. Stiles and I understand what here position is now with respect to the landscaping.
When we presented our arguments and our facts before the Planning and Zoning
Commission we did discuss the fact that we wanted to match the dimensipns of
landscaping immediately to the south of the site which is the Les Schwab Tire Center. Now
I hope the Council understands that what we are attempting to do here is take a car sales
lot and change it into a car sales lot. It was pretty difficult to explain to our client why it is
necessary to get a conditional use permit to continue the use of something that has been
used as a car sales lot for several years. But having done that and having presented
argument to the Planning and Zoning Commission we are a little bit disturbed at the
findings of fact and conclusions relating to the landscaping. There is approximately 92 feet
of property between East First Street and the front of the Old Meridian Ford sales building.
There are transport trucks that are approximately 75 feet long that bring vehicles into sales
lots. My client informs me that they have a turning radius of approximately 100 feet. That
is one of the concerns that we have about the landscaping. We believe that it would be
in the best interest of the City and aesthetic interest as far as continuity to maintain the
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same sidewalk width which is approximately 5 feet and the same landscaping width as Les
Schwab. Now Mr. Zamzow and I stepped off the strip and it was I came out with about 16
feet and Mr. Zamzow came out with about 18 feet as far as the Les Schwab set back, that
included the sidewalk gentlemen, 18 feet. Now if we could do that we would not have
some of the concerns that we have about bringing in a transport along that strip.
Understand that in a car sales lot it is crucial to have cars at the front of the lot advertising
your wares. That is what Advantage seeks to do. Part of Les Schwab, their landscaping
is wider than the area that borders the Meridian Ford sales lot, that part is 25 feet wide
including the sidewalk which is the average that Ms. Stiles I believe would like to require.
Advantage is willing to make some concessions and so is Zamzows is willing to make
some concessions to have a narrower frontage. The landscaping can be put in other areas
as long as it is not put along the premises. Mr. Zamzow will come up and testify also the
Advantage Sales lot will be 200 feet of frontage along East 1st Street that is the amount
of property that is contemplated under the lease. The total frontage of that property is 350
feet. Mr. Zamzow will come forward and tell you he is willing to landscaping the remaining
150 feet to provide an aesthetically pleasing entrance, actually egress because it is not
an ingress. There is a median already blocking off the view from the ingress so it is
actually egress from the City. But we do believe that will significantly enhance,the City.
If we are not able to get the transports in comfortably with the landscaping plan and the
landscaping is approved by this Council tonight we don't know if the project is going to be
feasible for an automobile sales lot. If you try to bring in a transport of that size you are
likely to block traffic in one lane for awhile to maneuver that thing into the parking lot. You
are causing traffic back up, it could be creating a dangerous and hazardous situation. The
findings of fact, number 24 quotes a section of the code of the Meridian Zoning Ordinance
that requires 20 foot landscaping strip. But it says that the landscaping strip is required to
be placed next to incompatible features such as highways to screen the views from
residential properties. Now, I am sure all of you are familiar with the Old Meridian Ford
Building to know that there are no residential properties behind the Meridian Ford building
or across the street. Across the street in fact is the underneath of the stadium seating for
the Meridian Speedway. We don't believe that an additional 5, 10 or 15 feet of
landscaping on the west side of East First Street is going to significantly impact the view
of people coming into the City because on their left as they come in they are going to see
the median landscaping. On their right they are going to see the .underneath of the
speedway bleachers and that is something that we can't do anything about. I would point
out that the City ordinance has been in effect since 1993 Les Scwhab building and
landscaping went in after that. They apparently were able to satisfy this Council that their
landscaping plan was going to be adequate and aesthetically pleasing to this Council. We
don't believe that Advantage Auto Sales should be required to do more at this point. At
the public hearing on this matter at the Planning and Zoning meeting there was absolutely
no public opposition at all to the proposal of Advantage Auto Sales and ~amzows. There
is a potential that if the landscaping requirements are too burdensome and too onerous
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and make it too difficult for Advantage Auto Sales to get transports in and out of the
property that the Council's requirements could make it impossible to use the building
adequately and effectively. I have been informed that there is another entity that is
interested in leasing the property in leasing that building. I say this by simply asking the
Council to consider the reasonableness of our request in light of what could happen if
Advantage is unable to use the property as they have intended another entity could come
in for which a conditional use permit is not required and in fact it is my understanding that
type of entity is now interested in the property at the same lease price. If that entity comes
in and signs a long term lease than there will be no landscaping because there will be no
need for a conditional use permit for their occupancy. I believe that I am stating the
substance of the ordinance property. What we would like is simply some modification for
the same dimensions for the landscaping that Les Schwab has used in their presentation
along East First Street. We don't believe it is unreasonable, we believe they have a fine
presentation and if we meet the same dimensions we believe that the City of Meridian will
be well served. The Council does have the option under the City ordinance as I read it to
either accept the Planning and Zoning Commissions findings, to deny them or to modify
them. Whatever the Council's decision we would request a ruling this evening so that we
can get on with this process. My client is very interested in moving in or if they are not able
to move in interested in moving on and finding other locations. Thank you very much, are
there any questions that I can answer?
Corrie: Council, questions?
Zamzow: Mr. Mayor and Council, I am Rick Zamzow and I am the co-applicant on this
project. I just wanted to state a little history of the piece of property. We originally bought
the property for a Zamzov~s store there. But it wasn't really conducive to the building itself
was built to be a sales, the way the floor was set up, the offices and then the shop back
there was designed for a car lot. It was cost prohibitive for us to remodel it and put it into
our store so we bought another piece of property down the street. Evidently I didn't do
much diligence enough on the structure before we bought it. Keeping that in mind,
Edmarks who wanted to come over and put a car lot there, new and used car lot. Who
would. have thunk that we couldn't have done it so to speak. So they lost their new
dealership and I immediately went out and found another one, found one in February and
here we are in June. By the time they moved in or were preparing to move in it was March
and we find we can't move in because it is not zoned for a car lot which was at the time
very confusing and very frustrating to me because it has been a car lot for 30 years. We
very much want to get that vacant building cleaned up, landscaped and make it
presentable to Meridian. We have a very nice store across the street, we have a feed mill
that we work really hard to keep within the realms of not polluting or whatever in the City
of Meridian. We have roots that go back since 1949. I have no intentions of doing anything
that would be out of line. I do diligence on making sure these people were upscale car lot,
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the economics allows them to, just the the economics of it doesn't allow them to be a junk
car dealer because they can't afford to pay the rent if they would, just the economics. I
intend while we are doing the landscaping and the irrigation to go ahead and extend it all
the way across East First Street just to continue it on. It makes a lot pf sense to me to do
the same landscaping as Les Schwab or similar widths to make it congruent. If not you get
an envelope type of a or a jigsaw type of appearance I guess you would say. At any rate
I don't know the ordinances as far as moving in somebody else and not doing the
landscaping, that is not even what I want to do. We want to do the landscaping we think
it will be a real help for the property and help on the value of the property. It is designed
for a car lot it really needs to be a car lot, we have the opportunity to get a renter in there.
If we could just have a little bit if variance on the landscaping it would help us. I am willing
to spend the extra square footage anywhere else on the property, that is the critical thing.
I am not trying to take any short cuts. I have a renter that I am going to lose, either get in
there or not get in there and then back to square one again. Which is real tough, so your
consideration on this would be very helpful. Is there any question?
Corrie: Council comments?
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I have a question for Shari and staff, what is the issue with respect to
the width of Les Schwab as opposed to the potential width here. Why are they different?
Stiles: Councilman Morrow, Mayor and Council, our request when we made our comments
was that they have a 20 foot landscape strip that is standard what we have been requiring
on all entrance corridors to the City. What Les Schwab did is significantly more than they
have proposed here. I hope that I am understanding them right that they still would agree
to the 15 foot directly in front of the store and not be attempting to reduce that to nothing
now. I don't think that the findings are unreasonable as to what they are requesting. 1Ne
have a very sketchy plan that has been presented that doesn't go into any detail but I don't
see any problem with the findings standing just as they are now and to work it out and to
if you want to agree to the 15 foot in front of the building I see no problem with that as long
as they make it up somewhere else on the side.
Morrow: Is that what the Les Schwab is 15 feet?
Stiles: At its narrowest point I believe it is 15 feet.
Morrow: At its narrowest point, it varies as it comes across the front of the property?
Stiles: It is about 20 feet when it is out, more than half of the side is 20 feet and they have
also done additional landscaping along Gem Street between the bowling alley and the
store and they have a little area to the north of their building that they have a small little
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park like place. So they did go above and beyond what might have happened there.
Morrow: I have no more questions Mr. Mayor.
Rountree: I have a question for Mr. Johnson, thanks for being here so late. Was it the
intent when P & Z drafted the findings and conditions with the specificity about width on
landscaping to try and replicate what was being done at Les Schwab?
Johnson: No, Councilman Rountree and Mayor and Council, the answer is kind of a
qualified yes I think. We were working with staff and specifically Shari with respect to the
same question Councilman Morrow had that why was that permitted to be less than the
20 feet. We thought that if they were to as I recall we as a Planning and Zoning
Commission felt that they were willing to do additional things, one was to extend the
landscaping along East First all of the total length of the property. Initially they were only
going to do the part they were going to use. Which would be more northerly and they
agreed to do that. And then if they would do some of the things that Shari alluded to that
Les Schwab did the extra things you can also see from the entrance you can see those
trees from behind the building, you can see those other little alcoves that Les Schwab did,
you can see that little park there. All of those things add aesthetically to the coming in and
out of our City. I think this is an excellent opportunity of the City of Meridian and probably
the only opportunity obviously that we have had come up where we can do something
with that eye sore. I think our feeling is at least mine personally that it can be worked out
with Shari and we don't have to hold to the exact 20 feet and I realize that is in opposition
to our ordinance and perhaps the desires of our Planning and Zoning Administrator. But
with the extra amenities put in for lack of a better term I believe the public viewing that is
not going to notice the discrepancy in width. I think this is a good opportunity for us to
improve that total length and we should strongly consider doing that. I don't know if that
is the answer that you wanted.
Rountree: I don't think I wanted an answer I just wanted to make sure that, I wasn't
looking for a specific answer (inaudible) what your condition was trying to reflect.
Johnson: We wanted to move this forward with the belief that it could be worked out with
staff to satisfy our ordinance and what we are trying to do as a City.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I have one follow up question. My impression of this property is that
it is a single use type of property given the building that it is a unique building it doesn't
adapt for very many uses other than car sales. I think that what we, following up with Mr.
Johnson's point is that we have some give and take and make it work out because I don't
what else you put there given the physical features of the building.
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Johnson: Without extensive remodelling.
Morrow: Yes, thank you.
Corrie: Any further discussion? Entertain a motion then to the request.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I will throw a motion out and see where it goes, I would be willing to
make a motion that we adopt the findings of fact and conclusions as prepared for us by P
& Z with the caveat that the landscaping be negotiated by Shari Stiles to reflect continuity
by Les Schwab landscaping and facility.
Tolsma: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Tolsma that we approve the findings
of fact and conclusions of law as presented by the Planning and Zoning Commission for
the conditions that be negotiated by the Planning and Zoning Director for the continuity
with Les Schwab building property, any further discussions? Roll call vote.
ROLL CALL VOTE: Tolsma -Yea, Rountree -Yea, Bentley -Yea, Rountree -Yea
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Corrie: The decision and recommendation?
Rountree: Mr. Mayor, I would recommend that the City Council of the City of Meridian
approve the conditional use permit requested by the applicant with the conditions and
caveats so stated.
Morrow: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Rountree second by Mr. Morrow that the decision
(inaudible)that we accept the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commissions
recommendations to Council for the conditional use permit requested by the applicant with
the conditions and caveats stated in the original motion, any further discussion? All those
in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #17: PROCLAMATION: UNITED CEREBRAL PALSY CASUAL DAY:
Corrie: WHEREAS, United Cerebral Palsy Association from coast to coast and border to
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border are working to improve the lives of 700,000 children and adults with cerebral palsy
and other disabilities; and WHEREAS, the fundraising programs of United Cerebral Palsy
of Idaho, Inc. are critical to the support and maintenance of the vital services they offer;
and WHEREAS, United Cerebral Palsy of Idaho, Inc. provides services and programs
throughout the state as an assistive technology resource center including a loaning
library, augmentative communication center, computer access center, information and
consultation services and public education; and WHEREAS, a unique event, known as
Casual Day, occurring on June 13 gives individuals and businesses the opportunity to
support the mission of United Cerebral Palsy. NOW, THEREFORE, I, Robert D. Corrie,
Mayor of the City of Meridian, Idaho, do hereby proclaim Thursday, June 13, 1996 as
UNITED CEREBRAL PALSY CASUAL DAY in the City of Meridian and encourage all
citizens to commemorate this special occasion. That means no tie and it is also on
Thursday because we have it on Friday, so we have two days that they can do that.
ITEM #18: WATER/SEWER/TRASH DELINQUENCIES:
Corrie: This is to inform you in writing of delinquency for May, turn off is scheduled for 6-
12-96. This is to inform you in writing if you choose to you have the right to a
predetermination hearing at 7:30 P.M. on 6-4-96 before the Mayor and City Council to be
here in person and be judged on the facts and defend the claim made by the City that your
water, sewer and trash bill is delinquent. You may retain counsel. This service will be
discontinued on 6-12-96 unless payment is received in full. Is there anyone present who
wishes to contest their water, sewer and trash delinquency? They are hereby informed
that they may appear to have the decision of the City reviewed by the Fourth Judicial
District Court pursuant to Idaho Code. Even though they appeal their water will be shut off.
The amount of the turn off list is $19,527.28. Is there a motion to approve the turn off list?
Rountree: So moved
Tolsma: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Rountree, second by Mr. Tolsma that we approve the
delinquency turn off list, any further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #19: APPROVE BILLS:
Corrie: I will entertain a motion to approve the bills?
Bentley: So moved
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Morrow: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Bentley, second by Mr. Morrow to approve the bills, any further
discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #20: DEPARTMENT REPORTS:
Corrie: Gary Smith, City Engineer?
Smith: Mr. Mayor, Council members, the first item is the Linder Road water line extension
that was bid on the 24th of May at 3:00 P.M., I think you have a copy of a memo that I
wrote Mayor and Council, do you all have that? We had six bidders and the low bidder
was Gully Excavation at $81,417.60. All of the bids checked. out except one, I don't
remember which one it was it was either Bitterroot or (inaudible) was a little different than
what they submitted but it didn't make any difference in the low bid. But Gully's bid is
correct, arithmetically correct. This water line extension was part of our budgeted capital
improvement items for this year to connect two water lines that are presently not looped.
In turn it is going to provide fire flow for a building that is under construction on the west
side of Linder Road, south of the rail road tracks.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I would move that we accept the bid of Gully Excavation.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree that we accept the bid of
Gully Excavation Inc. for $81,417.60 any further discussion? All those in favor?
Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I would move that we authorize the Mayor to sign and the City Clerk
to attest the contract with Gully Excavation Inc. for $81,417.60
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree, any further discussion? All
those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
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Smith: Thank you Mr. Mayor and Council, I have a couple of other quick items that I need
to bring you up to speed on. One I just received from Idaho Transportation Department
a request for approval of supplemental agreement number 2 for the consulting engineer
for the Five Mile Creek Pathway for an amount of money for $1500 not to exceed $1500
for design related construction services. What this is is money that is set aside for the
consultant to answer questions that come up during the construction phase of the project
should questions come up. It does require Council approval for the addition.
Morrow: So if I understand what you are saying Gary is that we would be approving that
additional $1500 for possible consulting questions?
Smith: For the consultant to answer construction related questions for the construction
phase of the project, if there are no questions then the money wouldn't be spent. This is
a supplemental agreement for the State.
Rountree: Is that the State-Local agreement supplement to handle any costs that the State
may incur?
Smith: Excuse me Charlie, this is a supplemental agreement to our consultants agreement
that they have because they have referenced the consultant's original contract amount.
We did have the State-Local agreement which was for the State's handling of the design
documents up to construction I believe.
Morrow: Is that a normal thing?
Rountree: Pretty normal, pretty low normal, it is usually much bigger than that.
Morrow: So make a motion to approve that is your area of expertise.
(Inaudible)
Morrow: Potential conflict is what he is trying to tell us so let's have a ruling. I don't see
any conflict. And Glenn doesn't know what you are talking about and Ron don't care so
there you go.
Corrie: I will entertain a motion now whoever wants to make it.
Rountree: Mr. Mayor I would move that we authorize the additional supplemental amount
of not to exceed $1500.
Morrow: Second
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Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Rountree, second by Mr. Morrow any further discussion? All
those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Smith: Thank you Mr. Mayor and Council members, I want to make you aware of a couple
things. One has to do with the Albertson's store at Cherry Lane and Ten Mile, we are in
a little bit of a discussion for them with Albertson's concerning the extension of sewer and
water lines across their property to serve Lovan's property on the west side of the
Albertson's parcel. The plans, let me back up, the plat that was submitted the preliminary
final plat that was submitted by Albertson's for that parcel so that they could sell off a piece
of ground adjacent to the store where the store will sit that was to house a 6000 square
foot building was submitted to Planning & Zoning and submitted to City Council and I
believe it was approved, I can't recall for sure. From the very beginning of the review
process for the preliminary final plat which was run through together because it is less
than 4 lots the public works department, my department had requested that an easement
be provided and sewer and water lines be constructed to serve Lovan's property. The
plans subsequently that were submitted for the building of the Albertson's store did carry
the requirement from Public Works Department for a water line extension. But it did not
show a sewer line easement to cross the property. Albertson's has completely refused to
grant an easement for the sewer line and they aren't they are talking but they aren't very
receptive to granting an easement for the water line to get to Lovan's property. The sewer
line would have simply been an extension of the sewer line that presently crosses their
store to get to Lovan's property. Their concern is that they don't have any control over an
easement that has a utility in it that belongs to someone besides Albertson's if something
was to happen to the utility and the surface had to be excavated it would invade the traffic
flow into their store and they don't want to be subjected to the operations of a third party
to repair a utility that would affect the operation of their store. There is only one other way
to serve, excuse me there are two other ways to serve the Lovan property, one would be
to chisel up the surface of Cherry Lane Road and extend the Road from Ten Mile, that is
an alternative but it is not feasible for four years. The second option would be to come
across Albertson's property at the southerly most entrance off of Ten Mile Road onto the
easement of the Eight Mile Lateral and then go northwesterly along the Eight Mile Lateral
to the Lovan property with the sewer line. I think we can get there by grade doing that, but
it is a lot longer run. Mr. Crookston is fashioning a letter to me now based on his review
of my file that I have on the project to provide me with some information as to what legally
we can do. Mr. Lovan has retained the services of his attorney to look into it, I don't
believe that Wayne has heard from him, Mr. Manweiler I believe his name is. I wanted you
to be aware of what the situation was because I think it is reaching a point of climax here
in the construction sequence out there. As the Albertson's representative put it a flash
point where something will have to be done one way or another because they will be
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stopped and they won't be able proceed and they have an opening date for the store that
they have to honor and they have to move ahead. I think that is kind of the background
on it.
Crookston: Let me just make an additional explanation, there is another problem in that
there is no connection for Albertson's to connect to the sewer that is in Ten Mile. There is
a what do you call it Gary?
Smith: There is a block in the manhole but there isn't a stub line from the manhole to the
right of way line.
Crookston: So they would need to put in a line through the road, it must be 15 to 18 feet.
So there are other problems then what is going on (inaudible) putting the sewer to Lovan's
which is west of the Albertson's property.
Morrow: I have a couple questions, when we did this project is there not two lots here?
Smith: There was on the preliminary final plat. Albertson's has told me that, Albertson's
representative has told me that if or since that is a condition of the platting process that
they won't follow through on the plat they will abandon the plat and go on about their
business.
Morrow: So when we approved this originally there was to be two lots and there was to be
a second building. I guess my question is how was that supposed to be sewered and
watered if they didn't want any easements across their lot for westerly users?
Smith: I don't know, they would have had to connect to the same service line that provides
service to the store, the Albertson's store. There isn't any other way for them to sewer the
little building.
Morrow: And what you are telling me here is that in all of our procedure with the exception
of the construction drawings we had that sewer and water easement on everything?
Smith: Yes
Morrow: And so now because through inadvertency the sewer line did not get on those
plans.
Smith: It did not get on the building plans.
Morrow: It did not get on the building plans and we approved them without that being on
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there, is that the issue?
Smith: It was about, I would say 4 weeks ago that it was brought up to the architect that
it had been over looked and it needed to be there and that is when things started falling
apart.
Crookston: What also happened was when the plat was approved Bruce Freckleton had
submitted a memorandum to the City Council which indicated that the sewer line and I
believe the water line needed to go across to be able to serve the Lovan property. What
the Council, the way that they approved it was they approved the plat subject to staff
comments without specifically stating what those comments were.
Morrow: So what are you saying?
Crookston: At this juncture it is a very gray issue. I am trying to recall in my own mind and
in addition to what files I have gone through and maybe something that was stated
involving a different but it sticks in my mind that the previous Council indicated to Mr.
Lovan that he would get sewer and water from Albertson's. I haven't looked through all of
the applications, I have looked through all of the Albertson's applications and it is not
specifically stated in there.
Morrow: Did he ask that question in the public hearing, is that what you have researched?
Crookston: Did who ask?
Morrow: Mr. Lovan
Crookston: In what I am reviewing in Albertson's file he did not ask that question, he did
appear before either the Commission or the Council and he made some comments about
I believe it was access and things like that but there was nothing that he stated about
sewer and water in what I have reviewed.
Smith: But Councilman Morrow I did bring it up in the public hearings, so it was brought
up and that is why Mr. Lovan didn't comment on it.
Morrow: That is a fair (inaudible) why would he need to comment on it. I guess from my
perspective the way I see it is that inadvertently we approved a plan that didn't have the
sewer easement on there but it was all part of the record up to that point and a deal is a
deal.
Smith: There was an item of discussion concerning a cross access easement from Lovan's
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property through Albertson's out onto Cherry Lane by the Highway District, I don't know
if you recall that or not. But, the Albertson's real estate manager was very specific in a
written reply to the Highway District that was not an acceptable requirement and that
Albertson's's would not resign themselves to a cross access easement.
Crookston: ACRD initially stated the same things and then they backed off of it. We do
have the ordinance our sewer and water ordinance it says that you have to a developer
has to extend the sewer and or water to and through their property. The question is it runs
the sewer and water runs north and south in Ten Mile, it runs east and west in Cherry
Lane but on the north side of Cherry Lane, only the water. In most of the sewer and water
applications that I have. been involved in to and through basically the City has required
them to extend it to their farthest property boundary. It really is extended both to the south
and to the west of this property is it not Gary?
Smith: The water is, the sewer is on the east side of the property.
Crookston: The question then is do we when we say to and through the property does that
mean in all directions?
Smith: It has in the past except when the Council has said that on a corner property such
as this it is not necessary for one reason or another to extend it on both sides. If there are
some extenuating circumstances. But Porky Park Subdivision was approved tonight and
has sewer and water on both sides it is a comer development. With water in Franklin and
Eagle Road.
Morrow: Did Albertson's pay somebody to extend that sewer and water that you are talking
about. If I recall that was extended before they were approved.
Smith: Albertson's paid for an extension of water into their property into Cherry Lane Road
only. They might have paid for a service line extension in to their property off of Ten Mile
Road I don't recall but there wasn't any other costs that they paid. The sewer was already
in Ten Mile Road, water line was in Ten Mile Road and Cherry Lane Road so they just
extended basically services.
Rountree: Is there a way to go west with the sewer line (inaudible).
Smith: No, we investigated that and the elevation is too shallow in Park Side Creek to get
under the canal.
Rountree: How about down the canal the (inaudible)
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Smith: Down the canal the Lovan property is on the east side of the canal. If you go down
the east side of the canal down the south and then go east to Ten Mile Road and get out
that way. That is the only other solution besides digging up Cherry Lane.
Morrow: But you are talking about a heck of a long run though.
Smith: It is quite a long ways I don't know how many feet it is but it is quite a ways.
Rountree: But then they are not in the city yet.
Morrow: The Lovan property isn't?
Corrie: No it is County.
Morrow: Okay, the issue is here that does Albertsons pony up to what they were supposed
to don't they. By the fact that we over look it on one plan and only part of it the water thing
is still there and the (inaudible).
Rountree: Is Albertson's not wanting to discuss the option of an easement at their desired
location or no easement at all?
Smith: No easement at all.
Rountree: They wouldn't consider an easement on the back side?
Smith: Mayor Corrie and I sat in a meeting with Albertson's and my failing in that meeting
was that I did not remember the plat had been submitted by Albertson's, it is called Ten
Mile Square. And the file that I had for that meeting was Albertson's store only file and
there wasn't any information in there conceming this easement that we talked about on the
plat. But when I went back to the plat file I finally remembered that there was a plat file
there was considerable information in there concerning this easement discussion. But
they were very, I don't know what the right word is but very forward in not granting any
kind of easement across their property for anyone outside of their own use.
Rountree: But they are going to for the water?
Smith: Well I told the architect on the phone this morning that from my standpoint the water
line was going to be there and only the Mayor and Council would tell me otherwise. If it
comes down to it they may be back in front of you requesting that easement not be
required. But that was, that water line easement was on the original contract or
construction plans for the store, site plans. I just wanted to bring you up to date on it, I
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don't know exactly where it is going. In case your memory serves you any better than
mine serves me from last year when this started.
Morrow: You know what I would like to see is us as a Council and Mayor take a position
on the deal and give you some horse power to talk with Albertson's and if they want to
come here and discuss it we can discuss it but I think one of the lessons that I am learning
here in the future if there is another Albertson's store that comes here they can have their
choice of easements or not locating here period. This is bologna, we are not talking. about
a whole major subdivision we are talking about one little dinky piece of dirt with no other
solution to the problem. And we sure as heck are not going to tear up part of Cherry Lane
to do this we don't need to do it.
Smith: As I mentioned earlier their concern is they don't have any control over
maintenance of the facility in an easement that is serving someone besides themselves.
Wayne suggested that if they have a problem with timing that we could put into the
easement that any repair work needed for either one of these lines would be accomplished
within a certain amount of time after it was noted that the repairs were needed. So that
there wasn't an unlimited length of time required that their access could be shut down,
blocked off or whatever.
Bentley: I wasn't part of that but I would have to say that if it was part of the original plans
that I think we should stand fast on it just because there was no recite on the final,
(inaudible) they were made aware of it all through the process.
Smith: They were made aware of it during the platting process.
Bentley: I think we should just hold their feet to the fire on it.
Crookston: They now Apparently not going to finish their plat, not record it.
Bentley: Well fine we wpn't hook up the store.
(Inaudible)
Crookston: I assume there was some pressure put on ACRD when ACRD did not require
the cross access easement. I have no idea what happened.
Corrie: Maybe we should ask ACHD to lift their ban on the five year putting a sewer line
down the street then. I don't know how critical that is.
Crookston: It is going to have to be done to make connection.
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Rountree: They have to do that anyway.
Crookston: (Inaudible)
Morrow: Don't they come out the side of the transition (inaudible) down to the (inaudible)
does that rule apply in that specific area.
Smith: On Ten Mile Road?
Crookston: It is my understanding that they have told Gary it doesn't matter what you have
to cut if it is new it doesn't matter if it is four lanes or five lanes or whatever it is whether
it is two lanes is that correct Gary?
Smith: Well if it is an emergency and there is no other way and it has to be done they have
allowed the cuts. But it comes down to a real difficult situation for them to allow that to
happen.
Morrow: It is almost (inaudible) so fervently as that.
Smith: And they take a lot of heat from the general public. You get an asphalt surface
down and it has just barely cooled off and somebody is out there hammering holes in it.
And that is not very acceptable to the public.
Corrie: But there is a possibility that we could be in trouble no matter which way we go on
this. If we don't do anything we are going to get it from one side and if we do something
we are going to get something. But we need to I suppose draw the line in the sand maybe,
don't know..
Rountree: I guess I would (inaudible) and I remember somewhat the process but not
specifically in the application if that in fact are the terms and conditions that were laid out
in the preliminary platting and the process that was gone through for approval of this plat,
this store was already approved by zoning, that we negotiate for that angle. I am not, was
the agreement as well that if a structure would be extended though at Albertsons cost to
the adjacent property owner or just an easement.
Smith: Just an easement I don't think the cost of the extension is an issue. I talked to
Wally Lovan about that and I think he is willing to finance the cost of the extension.
Rountree: It would seem to me that there are ways to maybe increase the standard of the
facility he might have to put in that easement as a condition of Albertson's granting the
easement. And working on some language like Wayne indicated and you pointed out that
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timing be critical and Albertson's's have control over that in terms of easement language.
I still think that we need to negotiate to try to get to the end of having that easement there.
If in fact that does happen that a thru connection be made before any permanent facility
is placed by Albertsons or the easement be rescinded.
Smith: I think they already have their sewer service in the ground for their store.
(Inaudible)
Rountree: But they can still dig a hole, they haven't surfaced it or put any electrical or
anything out there yet.
Morrow: I am in agreement.
(Inaudible)
Crookston: I would appreciate a motion so that in my correspondence to Albertson's I can
say that this is the City Council's decision.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I would move that we as a City Council endorse the original concept
of the easement across the Albertson's property to service the Lovan property for both
water and sewer.
Bentley: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Bentley any further discussion?
Hearing none all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Smith: Thank you Mr. Mayor and Council.
Corrie: Gary you had mentioned something about the ACHD workshop on the 13th.
Smith: We originally scheduled the next ACHD/City Council workshop for June 14th and
Alice called me yesterday and said that the 14th isn't going to work for their commissioners
and the 17th is an APA board meeting which our Mayor will be attending and also the
three Highway District Commissioners and Councilman Bentley. So they suggested
perhaps Thursday the 13th at noon at their place. If you have any problems with that date.
Morrow: At their shop?
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Smith: At their office yes.
(Inaudible)
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Smith: Is that workable or would you like to call me tomorrow and check your calendars.
Morrow: Noon, that is fine with me.
Rountree: I will get back to you I think it is okay but I will check.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, if I might I want to make one comment with respect to the bidding for
tl~e Linder Road water line extension, the closest of the bids would indicate that our staff
did a heck of a fine job in terms of putting together the plans and specs. I think that I would
like for at least on behalf of the Mayor and Council to extend our thanks to Gary and also
make sure that you pass on that thanks for a job well done onto the rest of the staff that
worked on that would you please.
Corrie: Chief? Shari?
Stiles: Mr. Mayor and Council I just had one item to bring up and it is, I don't expect you
to come to any conclusions tonight. When Van Auker was given permission to build his
building on Commercial Court he was told that he had to pay the double hook up fee and
also to bond for the sewer to be brought there. I don't believe that he did bond for the
sewer to be brought there but his time for hook up ends this month. I don't know how to
handle apparently Gary said today they have some problem with actually getting an
easement across the Elixir property to even extend the sewer.
Morrow: I thought the Elixir property was a real easy done deal, not a real easy done deal
is what you are telling us?
Smith: No, apparently not. The Paul Clayton who is a representative for the Elixir
Industries people had met with myself and Brad Miller a representative from Van Auker
and they talked very cordially about this easement situation and not being a problem.
Sometime after that Elixir and Mr. Clayton had discussions and I believe that Paul Clayton
came back to brad Miller and said we have problems with this easement concep#. I really
don't know where that it right now. That easement affects or the lack of that easement and
the sewer extension affects the Olson Bush No. 2 Subdivision. It affects Porky Park
Subdivision and it affects this building that Shari is talking about that is on a septic tank
right now.
Morrow: Let me ask you this, does it not also affect the Thomas Tullis properties and that
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type of thing or am I one line over?
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Smith: Yes it would be Thomas Tullis is East of Bews and Bews is right on the edge the
southerly portion of or excuse me the northerly portion of Bews would be affected by this
line as well.
Morrow: Did now, was Mr. Clayton the one that represented Elixir here in these Council
Chambers when this annexation and zoning for that large group of properties was going
through, was he the one that basically said none of this is a problem or was that some
other. I remember the gentleman was an elderly gentleman.
Smith: That is Paul Clayton, he is 80 years of age.
Morrow: And an engineer of something?
Smith: He is an architect.
Morrow: Well fine he was the one that represented in our hearings here that this was not
a problem.
Smith: I don't recall him being here but I recall meetings that I have been in that I have sat
in one with him and with Van Aukers representative that it has not been expressed as a
problem to me. The only problem on that extension was getting the easement across the
Gemtone property to get it started. Which they eventually did get. But I haven't talked to
Brad Miller from Van Auker lately so I don't know the exact status of that easement. All
I know is that it did fall apart several weeks ago he informed that they were having trouble.
Morrow: I wonder if it does any good to research the minutes or the tapes of those
particular meetings.
Corrie: Probably would.
Morrow: Do you remember that meeting Bob?
Corrie: Yes but it is kind of foggy. I think we need to look at those minutes though. I do
remember something about it.
Morrow: I remember being impressed by this Mr. Clayton because of a few. things age and
occupation.
(Inaudible)
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Morrow: Well let's see what kind of help we can give Gary to get this thing going by
reviewing those tapes.
Corrie: (Inaudible) remember the time and look at the minutes. Anything further Shari?
Stiles: That is all.
Corrie: Counselor?
Crookston: I just have one thing at the last Council meeting the Council instructed me to
discuss with the Nampa Meridian In-igation District the Fothergill license agreement. I had
an appointment with the Commission or Board today at 3:00 prior to the meeting and I
have been dealing with their attorney Dan Steenson. I told him that the City and I had
some problems with some of the language that is in the license agreement because
basically what it says is it doesn't matter what happens out there the City of Meridian pays
for any damages, pays for damage to a District employee who is out cutting weeds along
the easement. And let's say he falls into that canal and chips his tooth the City pays for
it. So I had the meeting all set up to go today and Steenson called me, I had been talking
(inaudible) an obligation to tell him that since he is their attorney is what I am doing. So
I told him that I had a meeting with the Board today and he called back this morning and
said that he had a problem with me going over there and I said well the Council said I
should go so I am going. And he called me, I was supposed to be there at 3:00 he called
me at 2:25 and said the Board does not want to hear what you have to say unless I am,
he, Steenson, is there. So, my question was, and Steenson told me that (inaudible) they
weren't going to listen to what I had to say. So I called Mayor Corrie and asked him about
and asked should I go and see what happens. And when I say what we want to do with
the document and he said if you are just going to sit there and nothing is going to happen
I don't see any reason for you to go. I think that is very true. I could have gone and said
(inaudible) this is what I am here to talk about and they could have said fine good bye. So
I did tell, I called Steenson back and told him I would not go today but I wanted to be on
the agenda for the 18th so I did not go today and I am expecting that I will be on the
Nampa Meridian's Board meeting on the 18th. I have some, I prepared somewhat of a
memorandum that I faxed over the Steenson (inaudible) what my concerns were. He had
told me previously that he didn't think it was that much of a big deal because all the district
wanted to prevent any payments if they don't have any problems or something like that
they just don't want to pay anything because they, he said the district is granting the City
a license agreement to use a portion of that drain, we are talking about Fothergill. So I said
all I am going to do is talk to the board and tell them that I think it is a big deal and that is
ridiculous. The City owns the land we should not be treated any differently then any other
owner of land, irrigator and we shouldn't have to pay for all costs. We should pay if it is
something that the City does (inaudible) I have no problem with that. I have a problem
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with paying if a stranger is out there and he falls down because the Irrigation District (End
of Tape) he basically said that he would be there and I said if that is what you are saying
and we can do it on the 18th then that is fine because if I go by myself today it sounds like
I am not going to get anything done anyway. The problem that I have is I am not sure that
the board even looks at these agreements. (Inaudible) they look at it and I imagine their
position is we don't want to agree to anything we don't have to. So two weeks from today
excuse me two weeks from yesterday I will go to the Nampa Meridian Irrigation Board.
(Inaudible)
Crookston: (Inaudible) not an easy question. I will see what we can do.
Corrie: Anything further?
Morrow: While we are on Nampa Meridian Irrigation we as a Council have to make a
decision as to what it is we are going to do given the things that we found out in terms of
covering ditches and fences and gravel and no commitment in terms of a fixed policy by
them we have to deal with those issues. We have got to come up with some kind of policy
for development community to follow and for us to follow. It doesn't sound like to me based
on John Anderson's presentation that we are going to go from one application to the next
(inaudible).
Bentley: Weren't they supposed to come back with some guidelines for us on that, didn't
we ask for that when he was there?
Morrow: Well I thought we asked him that, I thought we asked on that but the answer was
that they were going to look at each application as an independent application.
Crookston: That is what he said.
Morrow: To and including what kind of pipe and so on and so forth. I guess, Wayne brings
us some interesting points (inaudible) we need to deal with that issue also.
Rountree: That is something that we have on the agenda.
Morrow: On our plate of things to do.
Rountree: We made a motion to do it as a matter of fact.
Crookston: Do you want me to see if I can discuss that with them on the 18th also?
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Morrow: I think it would be really helpful.
Rountree: If you have their ear.
Morrow: That is a great place to start (inaudible) what kind of major problems it makes for
us. Because it does make some major problems. I only have three items, one is that I
haven't yet seen the letter to Idaho Truss that we are supposed to be signing.
Corrie: I just asked Will if it has been written and I don't think it has been written.
Morrow: Can we get that accomplished? The Meridian Greens things where are we at
with Meridian Greens?
Corrie: Bob Geisler hasn't gotten back with me at all.
Morrow: Could you maybe Will call and say we want it resolved.
Berg: I was going to say one thing Glenco did mow that well lot (inaudible) and we are
trying to figure out how to put water on it.
Tolsma: (Inaudible)
Berg: I think they found that out after they got a hold of Jeff. Bruce is gone on vacation and
Chip tried to turn it on and it didn't turn on so he thought there was another shut off
somewhere else. So they were going to get a hold of Jeff but that was in the process.
Tolsma: (Inaudible)
Berg: Just to let you know that has happened.
Morrow: So we will continue to press on and we can bring that to a resolution. This was
in our box tonight, did you have that conversation with these folk and this is prior to that
conversation?
Corrie: Yes and (Inaudible) I told them it was over. I didn't get anything like that.
Morrow: I will read the type written stuff says Dear Councilmen, this is a copy of the
Meridian seal with current changes in a ready to print format. It was my understanding that
this was given to you by Mr. Corrie before the May 21st meeting. I would like to do
anything possible to have this move forward as soon as possible. Thanks Michael R.
Capell. Then there is a hand written note that says it was our understanding that. this
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design passed the Council last summer and was just waiting for Mike to computerize the
fine points and lettering. Former Mayor Kingsford has informed us that this was he
remembered it also. What does Mike need to do to have this project completed. He is
certainly willing to cooperate but Mayor Corrie is telling him it is tabled indefinitely and we
don't understand. Thank you Harvey and Bonnie Capell.
Corrie: That is the parents, they are pushing it to the hilt. I had, the kid came in and I
talked to him, he is not very responsive but I told him exactly what the Council said and I
said I apologize if there is any misunderstanding but the Council has made a decision that
they are not going to do that now and maybe at a later date they will but not now. I asked
him if he understood it and he said yes, and this is the parents pushing now.
Morrow: So this just came today?
Corrie: It had, I haven't even seen it.
Morrow: Well when I picked the stuff up at 7:30 there it was. And the last thing is that we
have a couple of ordinances that we have been working on, we need to have those on our
next meeting's agenda. That is it.
(Inaudible)
Corrie: Charlie?
Rountree: Two things, I have been working on the neighborhood at Cherry Lane, we have
some folks that really take in a great amount of effort to try and improve the looks of a
couple areas over there, we have some folks that have sent out thank you letters to those
folks who applied. Just today I believe Jim Rabbitt was approached to send out a second
letter to those folks that haven't done anything in the way of clean up to notify them that
they need to. The neighborhood association has been meeting and everything I hear from
the folks and they all have my name and phone number and I have not received a
telephone call. I have a request today to make a phone call to them but (inaudible) I am
hearing is that neighbors seem to like the idea of an LID for at least the fence improvement
(inaudible) until they resolve their issues and get their direction figured out the City
probably isn't going to do much until they can come with some kind of uniform
recommendation amongst the group. St. Luke's and their property, apparently there has
been some input from the Capital Youth Soccer program towards some of their execs and
it has caused them to slow down a little bit. But I do have a meeting Friday afternoon with
Gary Fletcher to resolve that and hopefully Friday afternoon we will have a clearer picture
of what they would anticipate we would be committing to and we would understand what
they are committing to (inaudible).
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Tolsma: (Inaudible)
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Rountree: No, I have been meeting with Jeff, it is beyond Jeff, it has gotten political.
(Inaudible)
Corrie: You said a second letter, is this the letter that is going out to the ones that have not
cut their weeds?
Rountree: The ones that have not complied with the weed, we have sent a letter to all of
those who have and thanking them. We continue to get those same folks taking care of
the situation, there are a few that are kind of dragging their feet. That is all I have got.
Corrie: Mr. Tolsma?
Tolsma: No, nothing.
Corrie: I have one, Mr. Rabitt has accepted a position with the Boise Fire Department, we
are going to be checking some of the applicants that we had previously, I think Shari
(inaudible) one of the applicants is coming in to talk. Just for your information he is going
to be resigning I think effective the 11th and going down to Boise Fire.
Morrow: Bob if I might suggest, I was part of that interviewing committee that interviewed
those applicants and boy as I recall Jim Rabitt stood out head and shoulders above the
pool. It may not hurt to advertise for new applicants.
(Inaudible)
Morrow: He was pretty impressive and in my decision making process it was a real easy
choice. Gary and Shari both served on that committee, and Gary your thoughts I guess
I would ask, maybe I was prejudice.
(Inaudible)
Morrow: Gary do you recall that there was a wide difference between he and the other
applicants that may make a certain amount of sense to advertise again or applicants?
(Inaudible)
Smith: I don't recall, it seems like there was a lady th8t was from Ola, who worked for the
Central District Health Department and there was a young man that was a Westpointer.
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Morrow: He was well travelled.
Corrie: I think the lady Shari if I am not mistaken is not headed for another state.
Morrow: She is the gal that she and her husband were ranchers and she was taking off,
so they were selling off and leaving?
Stiles: They are not selling out but they are moving to Telluride, Colorado.
Bentley: Mr. Mayor, I think you should tell Jim he is not allowed to leave until he has the
Booth property cleaned up.
Corrie: By the way they are moving cars out there. They have all the Booths, all three of
them whoever they are signed that they want all of the cars taken out and they are starting
to take the cars if I am not mistaken chief.
Morrow: No, they have been, since last Saturday.
Corrie: Do you have anything? I will entertain a motion to go home.
Bentley: So moved
Tolsma: Second
Corrie: Motion made and seconded, all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 12:40 A.M.
(TAPE ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS)
APPROVED:
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ATTEST:
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WILLIAM G. BERG, JR., CI CL RK
MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL
AGENDA
TUESDAY, JUNE 4, 1996 - 7:30 P.M.
CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
MINUTES OF SPECIAL MEETING HELD MAY 14, 1996: a~pro/e~-
MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING HELD MAY 21, 1996: ap~prodeGG
1. DISCUSSION OF MAYOR'S COMMITTEE ON RECREATION CENTER
AND PARKS:. ~/~ro/e tv acc~~e,PPt a1' ah advi`so~y C'onz~-~~-fee
ihcov~afied- cci/~k.. -lam f'a~ck~ ~~ericc~~i~. Co-rri~~7s.`ex~
2. TABLED MAY 7, 1996: PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE LAKE AT CHERRY
LANE NO. 5 BY STEINER DEVELOPMENT: DISCUSSION OF
REQUIREMENTS IN FINDINGS FOR CONDIT~O~VAL U ~ PERMIT:
c~~t /S~Sid u~d J~f buc%~~o siaecT~z ,Cods /o ~eez'~ ~e~e~e v2ceih~~es
~- /~ prze~ ~ ~v-.fiir T~.~-..e. /B_ .cry~-- r.~ c~cstca.
3. TABLED MAY , 1996: FINAL PLAT: FIELDSTONE MEADOWS NO. 5
SUBDIVISION BY GARY VOIGT: ~iL~ ~Gviz`i7 .~jccQy 2"'~ a.r
rel~ued-~~2 ,b y ~~pl~.
4. TABLED MAY 21, 1996: FINAL PLAT: PACKARD SUBDIVISION NO. 1 BY
PNE/EDMONDS CONSTRUCTION: ~/2 ~~~~ ~~ !8~
a f re~ucJFed. by atop/~2a~-z`:
5. TABLED MAY 21, 1996: ORDINANCE #731 - OLSON-BUSH SUBDIVISION
NO.2 ANNEXATION: ~~/e /~r~,Z.~-e J~iv~.e ~~~ h~.ee
6. TABLED MAY 21, 1996: REQUEST FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR PORKY
PARK NO. 1 SUBDIVISION BY RON VAN AUKER: ~io~ ove-
7. PUBLIC HEARING CONTINUED FROM MAY 21, 1996: REQUEST FOR A
PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR BALLANTYNE TROUTNER BUSINESS
PARK BY JIM BALLANTYNE: ,n.e~-eaten-o~~..e.Q. ~~ ~
~Q~2
8. .FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW FOR ANNEXATION AND
ZONING REQUEST FOR BALLANTYNE TROUTNER BUSINESS
PARK BY JIM BALLANTYNE; .TABLED MAY 21, 1996:
9. TABLED MAY 21, 1996: LATE COMERS AGREEMENT FOR GEMTONE
CENTER N0.2:
~~~e u~ ~~ Z ^~
10. FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW FOR VARIANCE
REQUEST FOR RAILSIDE SUBDIVISION BY RON YANKE:
~~provp ~'~~ ~ C l G
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11. REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A PHOTOGRAPHIC
PORTRAIT STUDIO BY BERTON & DEANNA SPENCER:
f~~rove ~/~ r~CIL aP,vro v~ e a-yr-.eCi ~i Dec r,+~ ~i°-'e-
12. REQUEST FOR HOOK UP TO SEWER AND WATER BY DOUGLAS
AND SUZANNE STANDLEY: ~~ cvxc.e ~Tu~ ~8'~
13. REQUEST FOR EXTENSION TO RECORD ENGLEWOOD CREEK
SUBDIVISION PLAT: approve, .e,c ~J'%~,- ~ J.ept. 3~-`~, ~~~E
14. MARTY GOLDSMITH: NON-DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR LOS
ALAMITOS NO. 2: Q~rro/~ wi~~ cdreGt~i~i~/~
15. SUMMERFIELD SUBDIVISION NO.2 PHASE 2: NON-DEVELOPMENT
AGREEMENT RELEASE: approve wi~-fL can-aoi~~!'
16. REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR AN AUTO SALES LOT
BY ADVANTAGE AUTO INC.:
17. PROCLAMATION: UNITED CEREBRAL PALSY CASUAL DAY:
18. WATER/SEWER/TRASH DELINQUENCIES: ~pra/~
19. APPROVE BILLS: a~prvve,
20. DEPARTMENT REPORTS:
A. GARY SMITH, CITY ENGINEER:
1. BID RESULTS FOR CINDER ROAD WATER LINE EXTENSION:
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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING: JUNE 4 1996
APPLICANT: ITEM NUMBER; Y~ ~ S
REQUEST• WATER/SEWERITRASH DELINQUENCIES
AGENCY COMMENTS
CITY CLERK:
CITY ENGINEER:
CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR:
CITY ATTORNEY:
CITY POLICE DEPT:
CITY FIRE DEPT: '/ J~
CITY BUILDING DEPT: 1 D
MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT:
MERIDIAN POST OFFICE:
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT:
ADA COUNTY STREET NAME COMMITTEE:
CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH:
NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION:
SETTLERS IRRIGATION:
IDAHO POWER:
US WEST:
INTERMOUNTAIN GAS:
BUREAU OF RECLAMATION:
OTHER:
All Materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian.
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DELINQUENCY FOR MAY
TURNOFF SCHEDULED FOR 06/12/96
Come: This is to inform you in writing, if you choose to, you have the right to
a pre-determination hearing at 7:30 P.M. , 06/04/96, before the Mayor and
City Council to appear in person to be judged on the facts and defend the claim made
by the City that your water, sewer and trash bill is delinquent. You may retain counsel.
This service will be discontinued on 06/12/96, unless payment is received in full.
Is there anyone present who wishes to contest their water, sewer and trash
delinquency? No response.
Come: They are hereby informed that they may appeal or have the decision of
the City reviewed by the Fourth Judicial District Court, pursuant to Idaho Code.
Even though they appeal, their water will be shut off. The amount of the turn off list
is $19, 527.28.
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2-2198 I THOMAS IJDSNUA 1312 [~FtkY AVE. W i 35.481 71.181 186.501
2-2288 I SCHEkEk IkIGHAkD 1281 C1~RRY AVE. I 51.301 103.801 155.781
2-2298 i kICH IJRPIES 11238 ~ 5T. W
_ ., i 37.481
i 67.181
_ _ 184.581
2-2450 ! GILBERT I
(CARL I
1331 i~RRY AVE. i 38.581 53.301 83.801
2-?490 I BRkkOSO IP9ANUAL 1338 CARRY AVE. I 40.481 55.b01 96.981
2-2558 I F'RCY, (PAUL 11313 4TH 5T. W I 62.801 105.181 1b7.981
2-2748 1 fiACK (PAUL 11323 4T1a ST. W I 61.'381 88.60! 150.581
2-3188 I kYAN IidRLTEk 11131 FTH 5T. W I 38.181 58.581 88.681
2-3792 1 BRINEGAk fE.E. 11635 1~RIDIAtI ST. i 26.501 46.301 72.88{
2-4240 I SHAFFEk (DAVID L. 11288 12TH AVE. W I 41.801 76.001 117.081
2-4550 I VINCENT ITO~IMY 11329 13Tt1 AVE. U i 54.861 122.481 ??%.291
2-4748 I ALBkECHT (JUDY 11486 14TH 5T. W f 55.681 118.321 165.921
' I7~'i..Thli~l.{Er•iC ~' L.:i:;.( ~_ I:{U[1N: ~ I.1i:'~i'~1: ur~:L~F"::i~~;
De_i~7quency Tine = 60 gays 1 Ffinimun Doiiar A~ou»t: 10.03
Hoo1:-Pieter #: 1-i0 to
06/03/96 RAGE:
HOOK I i------- -'AST UUE AMGUNTS ---------
METEk # i ------------------ -- kESIDENT NAME -------------------i----- :>_kVICE 3TktET ADDkESS -- ---1 i:UkitEi~iT 1 AkkEAkS i : TOT HAL. s
2-4`348 i
s9ILL
iSNAkRGN - ---------------
11537 15TH ST, W ----------------
i 33.101 ------------
47.501 -----------
80.601
2-5040 I MITCHELL ii+iakkY ll i1~27 ;~GRTHGATE AVt. r 59.:,01 115.b0i 17~.1a1
2-5410 ! ELIADES 151iEkkI 11434 ELM RLACE 1 29.901 55.901 95.701
2-5570 I RANSOM IJA€!E5 k. 110I7.15TH AVE. W 1 29.801 53.90E 83.781
2-5740 I NIMMO iMONA 11327 CAF;i_TON ST. W i 30.;j0i 60.501 91.vz1
2-5850 I DUPERGUZEL IRHILLIP A 11406 CAkLTDN ST. W I 36.101 73. c0! 109.,x81
2-6448 1
1 5HADDICK IFREDRIC~: J
1 i1GC2 WAS!'INGTON ;;R. `J `8.201 75.90; 134,30;
` --
2-6650 1
STUAkT ~
ibkUCE !
11107 11TH ST. W 1 ~i
23.201
44.E14x1
67.~t1
2-66b0 1 DAViS !SUSAN i1IC1 11TH ST. W x'5.481 69.431 f04.8G1
2-~,670 I FkASIEk !DAN IiI90 ST
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34.181 62.301 97.e~0i
3- 386 i MGGkE iWIlLsA17 8 JE1~Nir*R 1830 nOTAN AVE. v i 35.101 68.101 163.281
3- 389 1 nRUNTC~I (LESLIE 119b5 ~LAT;1N Dk. W ~ 4t. 301 $4.901 132.Edi
s'- 4c0 I THUkHEk IkIG;~ARD 1674 TALL PINE F'L. N 1 33.101 61.861 '~4.94;i
3- 670 I MURkAY II~AYNE 11625 FINE AVE. W 1 42.001 76.001 119.001
4-2406 ROTTEk {CrkIS 3 ~:GHY~i 115(9 rAVEN CCyE AVt. ;i ' 47.701 54.50! 112.;=:x:
4-1412 i PLUMLEY ikODNEY F M, NACMI 12326 LEONARD CT. W 35.191 68.5E+1 35.~~0i
4-1754 I RRYOk !MARY,
~ 12`x53 SHErYL ST. W I 36.1'?1 73.901 103.'.0;
4-17'78 i _
HALL
ICHARLE'3 u NAh i
123`;8 SANTA ~:LAkA Uk..J
32.401
44.40f
76.88:
4-2144.! WILDWOOD HOMES i ii"140 VINEYAkDS AVE. '~! 3f.201 45.081 76.201
4-2200 I HLAYE iLUCREZIA 11702 SANTA CLARA Dk. W 43.001 $1.601 124.601
4-2280 I HAMMOND !STEVEN 11842 SONOMA UR. rd I 39.401 70.401 108.801
`- 168 1 KLAPWYK !JACK 'i CG~!i'_E 13353 RAkM, CfiEE'r; DR. W 30.801 52.901 83.701
;- 172 I LANGEk (KATHLEEN 13992 THORN CkEEK CT. W
i i 33.90{
i 5J.201 49.801
_ .__
28- 198 1
WAkD I_._ ;
iLiNDA K I
1(685 SUMMERTREE WY. fd I
30.901
53.901
94.701
20-1336 i OGILSVEE (DAVID & MAkiTA 13300 WGGDMONT Dk. W 36.1Cii 63.901 39.901
2t-1508 ! ZELLEk :J, EF;iC 11685 GP.K HILLS DR. t I 45.761 76.001 121.781
20-1'r74 i
WESTON
iSiEF'kEN A~;Y i
13732 S7ANWICN DR. W I
40,481
69.401 ,
109.891
20-1846 1 WAkE ihICKEY L. ;3721 SEA ISLAND CT. i 38,701 66.181 104.901
20-1874 I WALKEk (PAM 12824 iNTEkLACHEN WY. i 41.x01 81.421 122.,21
20-1$90 I UKESH !RONALD 11971 INTERLACHEN WAY 26.501 38.701 61.201
20-1994 i HUSTON iADDY 11355 INTEkLACHEN WAY 2U. 5471 46.301 71.801
20-2010 i FILLER (GARY R CNARLENE 13740 QUAKER kIDGE Dk. 1 50.:,01 93.591 144.101
20-2058 1 PATTEkSDN fWILLIAM L.
1 13349 SUGAk CREEK ~k. I X4.901 10;x.401 159.cci
21- 62 i ----~•
MCKAY
l~3IItiDY
?46 LEANN :AY i
~ 36.181
63.501
39.'8;
21- bb i ATHAY IkOHEkT 12298 LEflNN WAY I 38.11;1 70.501 108.601
21- 204 1 DUMOND :DA~1A 8 UAtdA ..660 ~}EEKSTONE CT. s! i 29.501 46.381 75.x01
21-14x18 ! kARNEY 1KENT 12782 riELUSTGNE WY. `? 39.40! 71.481 10'3.501
21-1022 i iAkk
- i DGUGLiaS « kHON~ta
I i c940 FIELDSTOf?E ',•;1'..'d 1 46.10!
I 60.581 106. ~>:,81
•
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DE:L.:f.1'~1Cdl..Ir::1~IC:'Y L.:i:Si-f' - BUOK R ME'Ttf: 0,:1ak~1~~:
Delinquency Tine = 58 Days / Mi~~ Dallar Anount: 19.99
Baok-Meter !t: 1-10 to
06/93/36 PAGE: 3
I+DDK ! :------- PAST DUE Af40UNTS ---------i
METEk # 1---------------- ---- kESIDENT NA"E -------------------1=---- ~kUICE STkEET ADDkESS -----i CUkkENT i AkkEAkS I TOT BAL. 1
21-1658 i k 8 1~ HOMES I 12159 TODD WAY 1 34.101 62.801 36.°;ai
21-1.770 i DESIIdi; I YUONNE 11941 lRil'cIANNA F'L. I 65.801 188.201 258.6!91
21-1772 1 MAtdIEk IJON D. 11911 RARIANNA PL. I 48.301 75.941 124.24;
2i-1776 ! ~DkE~AN IEAkL 11929 TQDD WAY I 30.801 58.691 89.49!
,?1-1782 ! SC7ITH !PAUL 12563 ;EEFFkEY CT, I 37.001 112,b01 149.601
21-1868 F'EDEkSEtd 1DAkEL D 12638 REBECCA WAY I 24.291 47.401 71.681
21-1970 ;CtiDPF'ELr:EY ( DOUGLRS $ CAiiLA 12644 REBBECCA 'dAY I 2fi. 50 i 47.30 i 73..90
21-192@ I PETEKSDtd 1KONNEL 8 KATHEkINE 12512 REBECCA WAY 30.;391 5s.991 84.701
2i-1928 i BAILEY I$r';UCE k 125~i0 REBECCA WAY b.s01 72-.081 112.301
21-1:40 LAtdCE IEDWARD 8 DELOY 12613 REBECCA WAY 39.0; 55.201 86.00!
2i-1'34' i ~~OU. i JAMES H. 12699 REBECCA WAY ~8, 1 i 66.191 194.561
21-2056 i SAL4`ATGf:E IJEFF 11735 i6ICTR~ AVE. N =:3.iai 59.501 92.601
21-20:,0 I :1ACHOS i;1ICHAEL D 11679 i6ICTOk AVE. N ; ~4.2e1 44.991 68.201
21-2192 I WEBEk iTHOt!rtS 13107 ;4ANDICE ST. W I 35.4C~I 61.201 96.6@I
cl-ti~g i tiA;;CkOFT !JOHN 8 LEANN 12985 RIANDICE ST. W ~ 34.1:;1 6i
591 95
ct~1
21-2241] i WAnU IFIIY,E 139c8 KANDICE ST. W 56.21;; .
182.491 ,
158.60r
CS-L(C° ; OL3EN ICN?I5 8 KkISTINE 12431 SfOHE PL. N . 35.101 5®,901 86.00;
21-2732 I '}iUkBEk i kDN 12482 STONE F'L. N I 47.7L+i 17.201 124.9@ i
21-2734 i CEKkIT IDikK 3 NICOLAI .12498 STONE F'L. N 47.c0i 44.901 91.2ai
21-2758 ! THDMPSON (MICHAEL & BkENDA !2444 VICTOk WY. N 1 37.101 57.6@I 94.701
2f-2'i2;j i CRO:~TS (KEVIN 3 BECY,Y 12931 ELK STkEAM ST. W ~7.;;t31 63.801 19i
L0
21-2939 I RkICE IHUBEkT 8 ANNABELLA 13133 RRIRAGE CT. W i 61.6K1 99.20: .
166.801
21-3018 I LAkSON iGDkDON 128$7 }EARTH AUE. N 3.;'O1 59.501 '39.201
2I-3036 I BAkk IGEitALDINE 12991 IEAVENHUk5T ST. W ~ 44.71=^; 77.40! 122.101
21-3968 i ROYDSTUN (PATRICK S JUDY 12943 7DU5T ST. W 27,5Fii 47.391 74.801
21-3979 1 DECK iKI'1BEkLY 12921 RIIJST ST. W 35.101 61.991 96.191
2i-3129 i 11CCOk(~ICK IkOBEkT 12974 NEARTN AUE. N 46.:101 67.401 113.491
21-3169 I PETEkSEN !DOUGLAS & JEyNIFEk 13087 T:~AlES AVE. N 3Fi.5~si 53.901 j4.~3i
22- 322 WELLS ICLIFFDF;D 11839 1~IATEAU Dk. W i 44.u01 b7.201 111.201
22- 342 i FkY !JOHN 8 SHEkkIE 11822 !RACY CT.
I ! 47.301 85.901 133.201
22- '314 I
kUCKER
IJEA4
12261 ~{NACD WAY ~ L_..
! 4i. 391
87.301
134.6@I
c2- 926 i ELLOTT iH. JA50N 12115 )gINACO WAY 1 40.2L'I 73,5@I 113.161
22-1066 1 LINEBEkkY IF'AUL 12049 SPARKLING PL. N 1 46.70; 70.601 117.39!
22-1088 i kEDDY ITGDD 11936 3p'ARKLING PL. N 25.231 44.001 63.201
22-1312 i BkADY IkODNEY 12957 RtRIIACO WAY 38.481 53.751 92.151
22-1429 I DAVENPOkT iDUANE 11719 NEGLINCHEY ST. W i 32.501 49.601 82.101
22-1482 f ANDERSON IL'fLE D. !1723 SAI~DALWODD Dk. i 47.e19i 82.601 123.691
22-1524 1 KOCH iCAkL L. 11994 SANDALWOOD Dk. 1 35.601 53.901 89.701
22-1574 TALBUkT IkDBEF.T D. 11895 R~TEAU Dk. W I 35.801 57.291 93.901
22-1624 1 FISHEk !DONALD H. 11759 REARDON CT. 31.iet1 58.:01 89.60;
31- 190 i STEPHEN liwkET & UEBOkAH 11965 12TH ST. NW 23.201 55.991 79.191
3i- 520 I kOOT IBAkBRRR 115fi2 STOREY AUE. I 23.201 44.0@t 67.201
31- 538 I tIILLEk IkDBEkT L. 11521 kINGSW00D AVE. 37.401 64.921 101.421
31- 628 i KOURCH 1JAMf5 3 LYNDA 11313 lEWAOkT Dk. i 67.101 1s1.491 198,501
31- 732 I PEt13E_TON IdIL_IAM 8 SANDY 12132 NEWPOkT Dk. 42.~k3i 75.001 117.701
31- 734 PRk1;5 IkDNALD 12207 FR-IkW00D Dk. c8.2?i X7.301 75.501
31- .1,34 DUMONT, J ITEU 12213 1lTN ST. NW 30.591 62.5:91 ';3.001
t: :CT"f i]I° 1'1L!';:C~:Cf~I~i
' I) C:: L.:C hl C1 U E: td G Y L. 7: a' (' -~• Li C1 ClNC ~ 1"I E: ~f' k: F; C1 F ; I) C_ f'S
Delinnuency Tire = 60 Days i Nini~m Doliar Ar:ou~7t: 10.80
Rook-`rieter #I: 1-lad to
86/03/96
GAGE: 4
ROOK I 1------- CAST DUE AMOUNTS ---------1
METER li i------=------------- RESIDENT NAVE -------------------i----- SEst~lICE STREET ADDkESS - ----I CURREh1T I ARREAk5 I : TOT RAL. !
31- 866
i LARSDN-RODLE ~
IVIL'KEE K. -------------------------------
11328 CHATEAU AVE. d -------------~___
I 4:,,~6f =====c=====_
8,,.001 _________~_
138.Ndi
31-2226 I JDHN5TDN & ANNA HOkNE IAUDREY {1321 CLAIkf ST. ! 43.301 73.081 116.301
31-2238 i TURRS (RENEE 11316 DAf~'AH Dk. I ]3.101 61.301 94.401
31-2388 I HALLOCK (DOUGLAS S. 11532 1061~Y 5T. i 45.701 43.821 89.521
31-2318 f EAGLE !RQRERT 11411 LOIIRY ST. i 44.301 96.851 148.351
31-3018 I SCHUSTEk IFDRREST F. 12218 14Th ST. 1~W i 51.301 76.881 122.701
31-3648 1 HAkLOW 1F'AULA E. 1231 121H ST. NW i 27.261 44.601 71.201
31-3650 I FkENCH _ IDE'rkA 1106;; CHATEAU Dk. W i 42.6x1 158.~i+i 208.981
31-3242 i MCGOWAN iDAVID E. 12211 11TH ST, NW I 55.601 89.201 144.831
31-3256 1 GRIGG IRiCHAkD C. 11120 KIi!~SWODD i:T. W 1 10036.7;11 70.781 10181.461
31-3272 I NEWMAN (KATHY 12635 1171! AVE. NW a 41.061 75.061 116.881
31-3294 I WERLE ikDD T .11061 NEii40RT CT. W i 50.961 108.581 {51.481
31-3324 i AKE i CHARLES 1971 1}E'ti9A1t DR. i 34.;:01 54.861 89. GCS
31-3336 i CRYEk aJUUITH 1811 DELI@lk llk. i 2$.80! 52.981 81.701
31-3350 i DEGOLLADD iJOE N. 12212 ie7tl AVE. Ma i JU.40i 44.961 78.301
31-3354 I LEDNARD50N (ELIZABETH 12232 i07H ST. NW a 30.501 49.681 88.101
31-3486 i
ULIN
IMAkY H.
11111 FA~dOOD CT. a
I 33.181 '
56.201
89.38!
31-3528 a TEATEk (JACK 11933 I1~~ AVE. NW a 46,601 161.461 147.481
31-3566 I FICKES 1DONALU 11816 STOREY AVE. i 72.1;01 118.6x1 190.c6i
32- 444 I WAkNEk it1ICHAEI ~i CYNTHIA 12044 aTH ST. hiW 1 45.x01 63.561 106.901
32- 486 I DDLEY iKAREN 12171 KEI#RE DR. 34.L,0 54.901 89.701
32- 564 1 EDWARUS (HAROLD E. 1'2829 CkESTMDNT Dk. i 22.001 42.681 64.001
32- 522.1 HAVEN ISTEF'HEN 11843 LAIilDAL~ Dk. 65.301 171.601 236.301
32- 622 i INGRAM ISHERRI 11940 CRESTMONT Dk. 1 25.561 66.68! 92.i0-
32- 638 i GRkDNER (VINCENT 12070 C3ESTMONT DR. i 55.5,81 88.001 143.381
32- 656 I BEVINGTON IH. LAiiUE 1467 CRA?~k Dk. a 40.701 79.461 128.101
32- 732 1 GLASEk i DELi~1Ak i 113 WILL#~iRRDOK DR. W 45.701 72.781 118.401
32- 938 1 CODLEY IkORERT 12257 KEII~~ERE PL. i 39.401 35.201 74.68{
32-1168 I GULRIS {ANTHONY R FENNY 1285 SPIL'eN00D Dk. W I 38.081 79.381 117.,101
32-2368 I GRATTON (THOMAS 1382 WATr~$URY Dk. W i 36,101 56.601 92.701
32-143b I MODEN ~ I WALTER 162;: id00D1>111RY Dit. W a 23.201 45.x6 i 68.20 a
33- 168 1 5EAT COVER FACTORY ( 1268 FAi~iTEW AVE. E I 46.3di 67.iO1 113.461
33- 196 I COMBA
~ iTkUUY
I i183x ~EkTI1IAN RD. N
i I 43.601 18.001 61.581
----
33-4152 i
KOBE
iMICHAEL R JILL
12725 ARkl~i WOOD WY. N I
', :4.781-
184.301
219.801
34- 342 I DARCD (RONALD 3 THERESE 11686 JETi~lO RD. 48.:0a 81.301 129.38!
34- 496 I LOVE (TIMOTHY 12089 5Af##IIkE F'L. N a 47.x81 91.201 139.281
34- 660 I RAVER IKAYLENE 12236 SAF1I#tIRE RL.i 36.401 78.401 186.801
34- 784 I FREE aFkEDERICK & ~;AVIALA 11110 CHATEAU A~'c. E 38.~t0i 69.401 167.581
34- 812 I KAUTZ IKAkL 3 LORRAINE 12298 18T?sAVE. ~3E i 41.531 68.851 162.,151
34- 856 i LINDSEY IAkLUS 1989 BkOt~l REAk CT. is { 53.301 74.201 128.16:
34- 868 1 FLYNN ;6EtidA14iN J 1988 RkGWl;1SEAk CT. ! 45.201 'x7.581 83.801
34- 914 1
AMY7(
(DONALD is
11281 8UN?ERR %R. E 1
i 44.06!
89.361
133.30'
34- 330 i ANDERSON a DALL;S 11433 tiijNln'{ Dk. r a 36.86 i 57.2@ i 34.001
34- '394 I MASGN DREW 5 ~: iCl;iE i 2592 StiOw~ck ',iY. i~ 26.561 46.30 i 72.801
34-131b I TCFFELtiIEk (ROBERT .~ JQDIE 12627 SN04fGOOSE WY. N i 36.801 59.c8f 96.001
r:r. r Y a 1~~ I~1I:~ h :c >U I n rl
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Delinquency Tire = 6B Days ! Minia~sm Dollar A~ount: 10.00
Hook- Pleter il: i-i:B to
06/03/9£ PAGE: 5
BDOK 1 1 ------- FAST DUE ANDUMT5 ---------1
METEk 8 i------=------------- kESIDENT NAME -------------------I----- ~RVILE STREET ADDRESS -----i
I GUkkEMT I RRkEAkS I ,TOT BAL. ;
-
34-1770
I DAVIS
!WADE & WYNETTE _ ._. I
-- 1
1933 CHATEAU DR. E i ------
~
28.5D1
-
35.301
I
63.801
34-1806 1 DpVIS IEk171NE 11014 CLAYBOURME Dk. I 46.701 71.401 118.101
34-1838 I itELLY Ii1IL'HAEL P 12071 1@TH AVE. NE ! 47.40! 12.401 113.801
34-1952 I HOOVEk !KELLY tiENE 1885 WILLOWBkDOK Dk. E I 61.501 70.101 131.601
34-204£ I KINNEY iDEMNI5 L. 11835 TEARE AVE. i 72.701 134.401 207.101
34-;?122 ! SGHi9IDT ;GLEN 11920 TEARE AVE. I 45.101 69.501 114.60;
34-2144 I SGNRANK iTHOt1R5 A 11841 JERICHO RD. 44.701 79.40! 124.101
34-2148 1519ITH IROBEkT A. 11761 JERICHD WY. i 2`.501 43.701 69.291
34-2716 ! GLENN JDHhiSDN HDi~ES I 11408 CGiIGAk CREEK Dk. E ! 24.E01 52.001 76.001
34-2764 I THUfiBEk IkiGHARD {1197 GOUGAR CREEK Dk. E i 38.101 73.901 112.001
34-~~810 I FINE STREET DEVELOPt7ENT 1 11250 RINGNECK CT. E 1 32.3Fi! 60.501 93..01
42- 37£ I WELGH IRDBEkT & TIFFRNY 12449 APRICOT DR. E ! 35.101 132.701 167.801
42- 410 i i4CiSANN iDENMIS 12321 Af~tICDT DR. E I 34.891 52.601 87.401
42- 4£8 1 HILL (KYLE 125£1 GRAPEWDOD Dk. E 32.101 68.081 100.131
42-1966 ! BAkkY ;CLAY A 119£0 i°EADOW WOOD 5T. E' 44.001 76.001 120.001
42-1978 1 ;*OT<SE (DAVID i5 SHELLEY 11810 i1EADOW WODD 5T. E 24.201 44.001 68.201
42-1388 i HAkRISDN IriiCilAEL 12219 ME~?OWR05E PL. N 48.601 88.121 136.721
42-2038 ! GO;~FOkT ZONE HDPIES 1 -2305 CHATEAU Dk. E I 32.L0i 44.08( 76.001
42-2252 f ~ICKINLEY (BRAD L. 12220 CHATEAU Dk. E 1 40.30{ 75.001 12 L 301
42-2332 i hlRttIN ;JOSE 11902 GRIEENHEADOW CT. E I 39.001 74.001 113.001
42-2496 1 SIEP90H lLESLiE 11961 GLENLOCH 5T. E i 53..01 96.801 150.701
42-2606 1 HAGE~RN IJ05EF'H D. 12534 LAI~HRIDGE AVE. N 45.701 5s.20i 98.901
42-2712 i (NAF'P IJEk':Y P. 12581 LAUGHRIDGE RVE. M 38.701 76.001 114.701
42-;;740 1 BLRIR iKf~~IN 11843 PIEAI~IWGkAS5 CT. E i 25.c01 44.001 63.20!
46- 222 4'i00kE (KEVIN & LI5R 13720 PRESIDENTIAL DR. E I ;11.50! 53.601 85.401
46- 326 I t9CDONGUuN (CASEY 13582 EISENHDWEk Dk. E 31.80! 85.301 11£.:04
49- 901 1 BAGLEY iFkEDRIGK I SPRINKLER-AUTO CNCF'T i 6.301 70.001 76.001
49- 902 BAGLE`' 1FREDRICY, 11901 LAtGIRK ST.E ! 37.;0! 201.401 299.30E
50- 2 ! ELLIOTT iT01R & kHDNDA 116 PINE AVE. E i 44.801 93.901 138.701
50- 54 I BUkY,ETT 4RDBERi 1221 STATE AVE. E ~ 23.201 44.001 - 67.201
50- 88 ! DD+1DY 1JAYNESUE 1934 5TH ST. E ;+.,jBi 53.901 83.701
50- 90 I NENDkY IkOBERT 1515 STATE AVE. E I 41.701 68.401 118.101
5@- .554 i CARSTENSEN ~ IDEkNIS 141£ CARLTDN RUE. E . ;18. x;31 69.551 107.35!
50- 726 I C.F.I. INVEST{~EMT5 I 1364 WASHINGTON AVE. E ! 23.201 44.@0i 67.261
50-1308 4 THE ARGSTOLiC BIBLE CHURCH i 1208 2 lf2 ST. E I 52.901 93.501. 146.401
-- -- 4 ;~
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50-1686 1
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_
it9AkVIN P1 I
f. i
138 WASHIi~TOM AV 38 1/2
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s'3.43i
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59.801
--
93.201
50-2106 I kOBINSOM IRIC>:RRD 3 i•'RISCILLA 11278 STOKEHENGE 'JY. N I 44._31 40.701 85.501
50-0188 4 BEkkY INILfS 11028 ASHFfiRD ST. E i 31.801 40.£0( 72.401
50-3631: I THDIIRSDN ;DAVID 8 DYRNNE 11536 xUCHi1AN GT. ~E i 30.ciii 49.601 80.40!
:,0-4008 ~aSKltd inRRkEN 1950 STDt~HENGE WY. N i 57.301 88.601 145.301
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50-4578
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;BUNKED R JUDITH
1214 PINE AVE. E !
v2.i01
61.501
93.601
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Delinquency Tine = 68 Days / Minimu~ Dollar Anount: 16.68
Rook-Meter #: i-1B to
061'031''36 F'AGE: e
BOOK I I ------- PAST DUE AMOUNTS ---------1
METEk # I ------------------- - RE5I6ENT NA~1E ------------------- I----- SERVICE STkEET ADDRESS -----1 CURRENT I ARREAR5 I TDT BAL.
51- 382 I
' -
GREGDkY - --
ISHAGAY _
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1426 bkOADWAY AVE. E I --
26.561 -•-
47.381 --
73.801
51- 698 I
DUERDCK
iWALTEk I
1438 IDAHO AVE. E {
23.261 ,
32.561
55.76;
51- 758 I ELITE CLEANERS I 1146 IDAHO AVE. E I 145.301 245.361 s96.ti0i
51- 770 I KURDY IPATkICK 1136 iI)RHO AVE. E I 36.401 44.001 74.48:
51- 998 I LOW iC~:ARLOTTE 1911 t'INE AVE. E i 22.201 43.661 6`;.
51-3182 l WARD ILAYNE 3 TAKAKG 187 KING 5T. E I 26.281 46.281 72.461
51-3188 I PANAHI !ABASH SHARIAT 175 KING ST. E 23.201 37.40! 60.~~Bi
51-3117 I D.J. INVESTMENT5 i 1 SFticINKLEk-CALAUEkAS 1 6.681 34.061 46.E^81
51-3146 I MILLEk IS K S 121& FkANKLIN RD. E i 29.861 52.361 82.701
51-3188 I SCHEkER MICHAEL b .1208 3RD ST. E I 65.881 97.901 163.761
51-3198 I kYKEk ISTEb'EN 12_5 3kD ST. E I ;6.561 48.301 84.~r'
51-3828 I CHANCE IJEFFkEY L 1342 3RD ST. E I 56.761 75.401 132.101
51-3840 I WDLFE -Y,IKiBEkLY 1424 3kD ST. E i 24.201 44.681 63.201
51-4178 I COLSGN IHOWAkU 1435 2ND ST. E I 2"1.201 44.061 67.281
51-4236 i PLATEN iBOb 1349 BOWEk ST. E i 24.261 44.00! 68.2:x!
51-4288 I A.J.J. EHTEkPRI5E5 I 1521 3kD 5T. E I 71.261 283.681 354.801
52- 116 I CORYELL (EARL i4i FRANKLIN kD. E I 88.681 450.061 5x8.601
68- 14 I BECKMAN ITEkkY 12466 kUBY kAF'IDS PL. S I 23.201 44.061 67.281
68- 28 I kIVADENEYRA IDAREN & JAMIE 12419 RUBY RAPIDS'PL. S I 27.281 47.881 74.201
69- 462 I YANO IADOk PEkEDR 11788 SPORTSMAN WY. S ! 27.581 48.381 75.361
69- 498 i ZEHRUNG IJOSEF'H & KIMBERLY 11072 SHEPHERD .S T. E i 88.301 151.221 239.521
69- 566 I
CHURCH
(LAWRENCE & DEBkA i
11035 SHEPHERD 5T. E I
43.101
56.281
99.381
69- 568 I JUDGE IkOGEk R SANDRA 11167 SHEPHERD ST. E I 43.481 64.181 167.01
69- 574 I bkOWN IJAf~ES & SHERRY 11666 RETkIEIiEk WY. 5 i 63.461 14.181 137.501
69- 590 I bAPTI5TE IMONTGDMEkY 11384 BORZOI ST. E ! 56.481 72.201 122.601
69-1388 I
JENKIItiS ---
lLEkDY 8 JAkEN I I
12388 5TH WY. SE I
6x'.261
78.881
141.261
69-1616 ! ALON50 IANTOh;ID 11928 5TH WY. SE i 62.901 102.561 165.481
72- 164 I bONFkISCO !LOUIE & JENNELL 11959 COVEY F'L. 5 ( 23.281 138.661 161.881
74- 18 l HDCKLEY IALFkED ~3 JcAtd 143 7TH AVE. SW 1 35.#01 49.901 85.381
74- 354 I SAUNDEkS (MICHAEL 6 STACY 1678 NANOUER CT. I 29.581 47.381 76.881
74- 486 1
FISHER
!CASEY L. I
1783 bRkkETT ST. I i
23.281 ,
44.06{
67.261
74-1032 I MICHAELSON ibRADLY C. 14b ROSE CL, i 28.881 53.901 82.76!
74-1098 I HILL ISHAkEL 1116 1ST ST. W I
~ 28.801 56.261 85.081
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74-2324 I
GREGORY
lkALENE J. i
11125 CRESTWOOD DR. --
27.801
49.60! •-
77.481
74-2424 i O'BkIEN (ANTHONY & RISTI;SE 11856 KIMRA 5T. W I 46.781 73.781 128.481
74-2432 1 COFFE`f (KENNETH 3 DONNA 11166 KIMkA 5T. W I 35.261 44.661 79.281
74-2528 I TOLAND (DAVID 11395 KIMRA ST. W I "x4.581 57.381 91.881
74-!?638 1 bIkD ICARI"E!d '447 OUTFIELD WY. S i 40.881 51.001 91.881
74-2662 ! HANSEN (DAVID '468 OUTFIELD WY. 5 i 52.581 82.281 134.761
74-2834 I
MCCOkMICK
(MICHAEL 1
11289 GRESTWOOD DR. W 1 i
33.181 !
55.201
88.301
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Delinquency Tire = fib Days ! Minimu~ Dollar A~ount: 18.99
Book-Meter #: 1-IB to
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BDDK I I ------- PAST DUE AMDUNTS ---------I
METER # i ------------------ -- RESIDENT NAME --------------- ----i--- -- SERVICE 5TkEET ADDkESS -----I CUkkENT I AkkEARS I •TDT bAL. I
74-2876 1 -----
USSERY
ITkACY I
11345 MEkGANSER Dk. 6d I
45.981 I
88.381
125.381
74-2968 I PACKAkD IMIGHAEL 6 SUZANNE 11577 PINTAIL DR. Y I 52.901 88.301 141.28!
74-3972 I LYTLE !CHAD Q 5TACEY 1992 LODH ST. ii I 26.581 47.381 73.88}
74-3104 I CHAM8ER5 !kICHARD 8 GARDL 1983 EGRET DR. W I 21.8Bi 57.281 79.881
74-3216 I WILLACY !STEVEN 6 kITA 1926 GREENHEAD ST. W I 26.581 49.681 76.181
74-3248 i GAkNEk IRICNAkD s KELLEY. 1495 F'ELICAH WY. S ! 3x.781 73.701 112.49;
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Total Dollar Amount: $19,527.28
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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING: JUNE 4.1996
APPLICANT: ITEM NUMBER; 19
REQUEST: DEPARTMENT REPORTS
AGENCY
CITY CLERK:
CITY ENGINEER:
CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR:
CITY ATTORNEY:
CITY POLICE DEPT:
CITY FIRE DEPT:
CITY BUILDING DEPT:
MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT:
MERIDIAN POST OFFICE:
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT:
ADA COUNTY STREET NAME COMMITTEE:
CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH:
NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION:
SETTLERS IRRIGATION:
IDAHO POWER:
US WEST:
INTERMOUNTAIN GAS:
BUREAU OF RECLAMATION:
COMMENTS
All Materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian.
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M E M O R A N D U M
to: Mayor ~ Council
cc: File
from: Gary D. Smith, PE
re: Linder Road Water Line xtension
date: May 31, 1996
On May 24, 1996 at 3:00 P.M. bids were received and opened for construction of
approximately 18001ineal feet of 12 inch diameter water line in Linder Road, from
Meridian Electric, just north of the UPRR, to Barrett St., just south of Franklin Road.
We had six bidders respond to our advertisement and the bid results are as follows:
1. Gulley Excavation, Inc. $ 81,417.60
2. Owyhee Construction, Inc. 84,354.00
3. Paul Construction 86,115.00
4. Elliot-Scott Earthmoving 91,840.00
5. Bitterroot Construction 102,048.00
6. Bodiford Construction 109,902.00
As you can see the first three bidders were very competitive. All bids were responsive
and all were checked for arithmetic errors. The bid submitted by Gulley Excavation,
Inc. is correct and I recommend to you that the bid be awarded the them in the
amount of $81,417.60.
from the desk of...
Gary D. Smith, PE
Public Works Director
City of Meridian
33 E. Idaho
Meridian, Idaho 83642
208-887-221 I
Fax:208-881-1191 or 208-881-4813