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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL
AGENDA
TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 17, 1996 - 7:30 P.M.
CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING HELD SEPTEMBER 3, 1996:
(APPROVED)
MINUTES OF SPECIAL MEETING HELD SEPTEMBER 5, 1996:
(APPROVED)
1. TABLED SEPTEMBER 3, 1996: FINAL PLAT: CHAMBERLAIN ESTATES
NO.2 SUBDIVISION BY KEVIN HOWELL: (APPROVED)
2. TABLED SEPTEMBER 3, 1996: AMENDED ORDINANCE #3-101 -GENERAL
LICENSE CONDITIONS: (APPROVED ORDINANCE #744)
3. TABLED SEPTEMBER 3, 1996: NON-DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR
RAVEN HILL SUBDIVISION: (APPROVED)
4. TABLED SEPTEMBER 3, 1996: REQUEST FOR A TEMPORARY
CONSTRUCTION TRAILER IN MORNING GLORY SUBDIVISION BY
PRESCOTT HOMES: (TABLED UNTIL OCTOBER 1, 1996)
5. FINAL PLAT FOR BEDFORD PLACE SUBDIVISION NO. 3 BY BRIGHTON
CORPORATION: (TABLED UNTIL OCTOBER 1, 1996)
6. FINAL PLAT FOR THE LAKE AT CHERRY LANE NO. 5 SUBDIVISION BY
STEINER DEVELOPMENT: (APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS)
7. FINAL PLAT FOR CROSSROADS SUBDIVISION N0.4 BY CAPITAL
DEVELOPMENT: (APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS)
8. PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE FOR HI-MICRO TOOL
COMPANY BY NEWBERRY ENTERPRISES: (CONTINUED TO
OCTOBER 1, 1996)
9. PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR A VACATION OF EASEMENT BY
RICHARD VALLA: (APPROVED; CITY ATTORNEY TO PREPARE
AN ORDINANCE)
10. PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR A REZONE FROM R-4 TO L-O BY
KELLE WATKINS AND DOUG STEWART: (APPROVED ;CITY
ATTORNEY TO PREPARE AN ORDINANCE)
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11. PUBLIC HEARING: SEWER AND WATER CONNECTION FEES AND USE
FEES:
ORDINANCE #742 -AMEND SEWER USER AND CONNECTION CHARGES:
(APPROVED)
ORDINANCE #743 -AMEND WATER USER AND CONNECTION CHARGES:
(APPROVED)
12. REQUEST FOR ONE YEAR TIME EXTENSION FOR FINAL PLAT OF
WATERBURY PARK SUBDIVISION NO.5 BY CAPITAL
DEVELOPMENT: (APPROVED ONE YEAR FROM ANNIVERSARY
DATE)
13. KARL & CAROL MOXLEY -CONCERNS WITH CHAMBERLAIN ESTATES
SUBDIVISION: (CITY ATTORNEY/ORDINANCE OFFICER TO
RESEARCH AND REPORT TO COUNCIL OCTOBER 1, 1996)
14. MERIDIAN PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH: REQUEST HOOKUP TO CITY
WATER AND SEWER: (TABLED UNTIL OCTOBER 1, 1996)
1.5. DEDICATION OF STREET RIGHT-OF-WAY -NORTH HICKORY AVENUE TO
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: (APRPVOED WITH CONDITIONS)
16. DON HOWELL: CHERRY LANE #1 AND #2 ENTRANCE LID PROPOSAL:
(CONTINUE OCTOBER 1, 1996)
17. DEPARTMENT REPORTS:
A. GARY SMITH, CITY ENGINEER:
1. ENGINEERING AGREEMENT -EMERGENCY GENERATOR:
(APPROVED)
2. CLOVERDALE NURSERY CONTRACT TO ROUGH GRADE TULLY
PARK: (APPROVED)
B. MAYOR CORRIE:
1. PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION APPOINTEMENTS:
(APPROVED)
2. TREE BOARD APPOINTMENTS: (NEED ORDINANCE)
C. SHARI STILES, PLANNING AND ZONING ADMINISTRATOR:
1. SALMON RAPIDS NO.2 TIME EXTENSION: (APPROVE. FOUR
MONTHS TO JANUARY 18, 1997)
2. HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE FRONT DOOR: (APPROVED)
MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL SEPTEMBER 17, 1996
The regular meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order by Mayor Robert D.
Corrie at 7:30 P.M.:
MEMBERS PRESENT: Walt Morrow, Glenn Bentley, Charlie Rountree, Ron Tolsma:
OTHERS PRESENT: Will Berg, Wayne Crookston, Gary Smith, Shari Stiles, Tracey
Persons, Dale Newberry, Paul Hoffman, Carol Moxley, Steve Bradbury, Gene Smith,
Richard Valla, Doug Stewart, Don Howell:
MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING HELD SEPTEMBER 3, 1996:
Corrie: Any corrections or alterations to those minutes? Entertain a motion that we
approve the minutes of September 3.
Morrow: So moved
Tolsma: Second
Corrie: Motion made and seconded we approve the minutes of the meeting held
September 3, any further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
motion carried: All Yea
MINUTES OF SPECIAL MEETING HELD SEPTEMBER 5, 1996:
Corrie: The Council has those, are there any corrections? Entertain a motion for the
approval of the minutes.
Rountree: So moved
Bentley: Second
Corrie: Motion made and seconded to approve the minutes of September 5, .any further
discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Corrie: I want to make an announcement to the audience Item #5 which is the final plat for
Bedford Place Subdivision No. 3 there is a request by the applicant that it be tabled until
October 1. If anybody is here just for that one you don't have to stay that will be tabled until
October 1.
ITEM #1: TABLED SEPTEMBER 3, 1996: FINAL PLAT: CHAMBERLAIN ESTATES N0.
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2 SUBDIVISION BY KEVIN HOWELL:
Persons: This plat was tabled on September 3 to allow staff time to review our response
letter and review the square footage that we provided to them to be sure that it met the
minimums. So I have nothing further to add unless I can answer some questions.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I believe one of the issues in our last meeting was an issue of Finch
Lateral and the reduction on the revised final plat for the east that was going to be
accomplished through a license agreement with the developer of the Nampa Meridian
Irrigation District. Has that in fact been accomplished, is there evidence of that license
agreement?
Persons: I have a letter from the Attorney for Nampa Meridian that I can provide you and
he discusses it. It isn't approved yet it is before the board. So he wrote me this letter so
that you would know it is in the process. It was supposed to be before the board on the
17th, this afternoon but they deferred it until the October 7 meeting because the agenda
was so full. So I have a letter from the attorney Daniel Steenson. Would you like a copy?
Morrow: Well I believe so, I think one of the conditions of the Council and staff was that
it be resolved prior to our approval. Mr. Mayor may I at this time ask Shari Stiles or Gary
for a clarification on that issue please?
Stiles: Councilman Morrow, Mayor and Council they are working to reduce the easement
from 80 feet to 77 feet. From reading this letter it would appear that it needed to be
revised from what they are currently proposing, they are proposing a reduction of afoot
and a half on each side as presently exists. If that is the case it still will not meet the
minimums.
Persons: No we are reducing the 3 feet.
Stiles: It would need to be three feet from the north side.
Persons: Right, which is being done and the license agreement right there that you have
in that the relinquishment of the easement has that.
Stiles: Mr. Mayor and Council, I believe it would be, if you are satisfied with the plat as it
is currently configured it would be okay to approve the final plat conditioned on the
meeting all staff and agency requirements and also approval of the development
agreement by the Council which is still yet to be on the agenda.
Persons. The development agreement has also been submitted it was submitted a couple
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of weeks ago for review by Mr. Crookston.
Crookston: Mr. Mayor, I believe that we received that Monday.
Persons: The CC&R's were submitted on Monday.
Crookston: I have reviewed the CC&R's.
Corrie: The development agreement I think was the week before that.
Persons: On September 3 the Development Agreement was submitted.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, Gary are you satisfied with the answers for the proposed for the rest
of the question with respect to both site specific and general from your Department's
standpoint?
Smith: Yes sir.
Crookston: Mr. Mayor, I just have one question on the CC&R's which are fine, but in
section 1.4 where it talks about authority, it says this declaration is made pursuant to
Article 11 of the master CC&R's. The master CC&R's indicate that there has to be 51 % of
the owners of the number one subdivision consent to that, has that been done?
Persons: Yes, Kevin Howell still has 72%.
Crookston: If that has been met the CC&R's are fine.
Corrie: Any further questions from Council? Thank you Tracey. Any further discussion
from Council to staff?
Rountree: Just a quick question, for Shari, you indicated yqu are fairly comfortable with
approval of the final plat, you believe you can work out the situation with the easement.
Stiles: Ms. Persons is aware she will not get her final plat signed until she does everything
we ask her to.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I would move that we approve the final plat for Chamberlain Estates
No. 2 subdivision by Kevin Howell subject to the following additions, that the license
agreement with Nampa Meridian be completed and copies thereof filed with the City. That
it meets all staff and agency requirements, that the development agreement be approved
by the City Council and that the CC&R's be submitted and reviewed and okayed as the
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Counselor has verbally indicated that they are. And that as point of check the City Clerk
withhold his signature on the plat until all of those conditions have been completed.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree to approve the final plat with
the conditions, any further discussion?
Bentley: Mr. Mayor, I have a question that I need some procedural clarification on. We are
passing a lot of plats and applicants under conditions that staff they meet staff approval.
We get jammed up on this once in a while. Case in point was two weeks ago over our
misinterpretation on the size of a basketball court. I have a question, why are we putting
these conditions on, shouldn't these conditions be met prior to them prior to them coming
before us to be passed.
Crookston: Mr. Bentley is that a question to me?
Bentley: I will let you answer it.
Crookston: That is totally up to the Council if they want to have them done before the final
plat is approved it can be done that way. If you want to do it the way you just mentioned
and have it approved subject to the staff conditions it can be done that way. It is whatever
the Council wants to do, whatever fashion the Council wants to do it.
Bentley: To me it is giving the impression that the staff and it is not a knock on the staff,
they are doing one bang up job, but it seems like the staff is winding up with the final
approval on these things rather than the Council.
Crookston: That is the choice of the Council.
Morrow: I think from my perspective, the answer in partial to that question is that you
empower the staff to look after details. In the incident (inaudible) obviously the staff
(inaudible) at that point Brighton Corporation the application brought it before the Council
and then asked for release of that. The final checks and balances on any of these things
is with the Council and we can spend our time and the publics time carefully editing and
reviewing each one of those things to make sure it is done and therefore proceed at a
snail's pace or we can delegate the responsibility to our staff which we have hired them
for and in the case of a disagreement between the staff and the applicant then the Council
serves as the arbiter of that disagreement. Then we can give more guidance to the staff
(inaudible). I think from my perspective in doing the communities business it makes sense
that (inaudible) and hire the right folk so that they do the very best work that is possible.
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I think we have that situation. So that is why in my mind the procedure is (inaudible)
Bentley: I have no problem with trying to prevent delays but my concern is staff issues
these conditions and the conditions could be met before it is brought.
Morrow: Well the other side of that issue is that all of those conditions that are requiring
them to be checked in our paperwork and package somewhere between the P & Z and
staff reports all of those conditions exist within that paperwork package (inaudible). So
staff on its own cannot (inaudible) discussing in my mind are those that are limited to the
(inaudible) as they were made by (inaudible) both in verbal testimony and written
comments in the packages. So I think that we have by virtue of reviewing those packets
reviewed all of those conditions. I think part of the reason for the motion is to get on the
public record (inaudible) challenge that it is carefully spelled out in the minutes that the
Council is supporting those staff conditions that are within the documents (inaudible) we
are simply saying (inaudible) as opposed to in this case site specific in the general there
is some 25 conditions coupled with conditions of ACHD, Central District Health, Nampa
Meridian and all of the other entities. So I think you can do it one of two ways in my mind,
you can (inaudible) or you enumerate (inaudible). That is as I see it.
Rountree: Feel any better now?
Bentley: Not much.
Rountree: My perspective is that the details of staff conditions are at a level that they are
responding to the policies and the guidance that the Council has established. We have
asked them as staff to review and make sure the developments abide by the ordinances
and regulations. Even if we were to take the time to say defer an action our next action
would be based on the level of input that staff would have for us. So it seems to me for
both the customer as well as staff that if staff can work out the details with the applicant
within the parameters that we as a Council have established then that is probably the most
expedient way to deal with the application. As long as there isn't an issue of policy or
philosophy that is at question.
Bentley: My point wasn't to take the work away from staff it is just my point was if the
things are met prior to getting here prior to being before us then that condition wouldn't
even have to be stated. That was all I was
Morrow: Well I think the other part of that Glenn is you can't meet the condition until you
start construction in many of the staff comments.
Bentley: That is true.
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Morrow: You can't provide an easement until you file the plat.
Bentley: Okay, thank you.
Corrie: Any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor of the motion? Opposed/
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Corrie: With the Council's approval, is Karl and Carol Moxley here tonight? With the
Council's approval I would like to digress a bit from item 2 and go to item 13 which is
concerning Chamberlain Estates Subdivision. We have four items that she has asked the
Council to look at and direction from the Council. Since we are on Chamberlain Estates
if we would like to
Morrow: Mr. Mayor I would so move.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made and seconded, all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #13: KARL & CAROL MOXLEY -CONCERNS WITH CHAMBERLAIN ESTATES
SUBDIVISION:
Corrie: I would ask Carol that you limit it #o the, I think you have five items that you have
sent into the City. Your concerns here or otherwise this could go on for a considerable
about of time. So if you want to take them one at a time and since Tracey is here we can
perhaps take care of these concerns with you right now.
Moxley: My name is Carol Ann Moxley, I am at 2680 North Locust Grove, Meridian, we are
on the southwest comer of the Chamberlain Estates Subdivision. Running along the east
side of our property is a privately owned irrigation ditch. We are requesting that the City
enforce the Planning and Zoning 11-9-605 M that requires the piping of ditches because
the way that the development has progressed and construction has gone we can no longer
maintain our ditch to get the historical flow of water that we need and are required to give
to our neighbors farther on down the ditch.
Corrie: I believe if I am not mistaken you signed a statement that you didn't want the ditch
tiled at the time of construction is that correct?
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Moxley: On October 30 a realtor came into my home and couldn't leave until I signed this
piece of paper that he misrepresented. He didn't want to wait until my husband got home
or show him. He did not leave a copy of it with us, we were never contacted by the City or
developer as the requirements, what was going to happen with the fencing right on the
property line. We took it to Daniel Steenson the lawyer and he want on to say that this
does not address with what our problems are. On the south side of the property there was
an open irrigation ditch that was concreted in and that was piped in which is what this is
saying that you can't get any access to the water. What I signed was what the realtor, told
me that they were going to put in a solid pipe like on the south side of the property and
leave us no access to the water and I said I can't have that. I am using the water and I
need to get to it.
Corrie: This is the (Inaudible)
Moxley: When we took it to Daniel Steenson that is what this, he says that in court
following Nampa and Meridian Irrigation law that is what this is talking about. It says on
the east side of the property to be tiled because I irrigate out of it and it would be
impractical. It says nothing about historical points of delivery to the water or any other
options to the ditch. I can't have the piped in no access water like this along the south end
of the property.
Corrie: Is this addressing, the one change is made the ditch on the southeast corner of the
property with prior consent and permission is that the one we are talking about, that
southeast corner, that south side that comes in.
Moxley: I am talking about my ditch all the way along. I have got, I made you a cute little
picture of before and after and what we are trying to deal with. We used to every ten days
go out and open the little metal dpor, shut off one door, irrigate for ten hours. We maybe
had to do a little bit of shoveling here and there and we burned twice a year. We opened
up the fencing to let the horses go in and eat the weeds out and we are unable to do any
of those things now. If we let the horses in they just have rocks sitting there, it would
break a leg. If we burned it would put the fence in jeopardy and the houses tf~at are just
a few feet away from the fence.
Corrie: And you have something about digging and construction along the ditch on the east
property line prevent water delivery and damage to the ditch.
Moxley: The ditch is 25 years old, it is compacted dirt that takes 3 grown men to dig a post
hole through and we saw that when they were there digging on the property line. The dirt
was compacted the sod was so thick that water went through. Now it has loose soil,
because they they did the construction they pushed loose dirt and changed their side of
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the ditch. Now there is loose dirt so if water comes in and instead of coming in a 90 degree
angle and going down the link it points in at an angle on the property, it hits the stones that
they put so that it wouldn't erode the land and does this neat rotation deal and it takes the
dirt with it that is loose on the side and instead of clear water running through it is a mud
slurry and the mud goes through to each of our outlet points and fills in. So every time we
irrigate or are crawling out there on our hands and knees continually every few hours
pulling the mud out of the access things that take the water into the pasture.
Corrie: Okay that is one and two, this is the one that you and I had the conversation.
Moxley: This is what we need taken care of through the City that is the City's jurisdiction
that has nothing to do with a civil suit of any kind.
Corrie: Council, any questions so far on this? Number three is fencing has been
constructed, that trespasses on the property, ignores irrigation ditch easement rights.
Moxley: According to John Anderson with Nampa Meridian Irrigation that when they do put
a fence up like that that is right on the border and they do leave it as dirt that they have to
give us room to take the historical equipment to be able to walk along the side and to
service and maintain the ditch. That fence is on the property line. The footings are actually
dug so that a few inches of it is across the property which I would have no problem with
if the ditch was taken care of so it didn't need to old fashion maintenance that we were
happy with before. But the way it is now you can't walk along the side. You can't service
it like you used to be able to.
Corrie: Item four, fencing has been removed and replaced this damaging our fencing.
Moxley: When they did several of the large pipes for water access they removed our posts
and pulled them up and slacked our fence all the way along which is really not a City of
Meridian deal but it just shows that they had a lack of consideration along the way of
notifying what was going on.
Corrie: The last one, repairs have not been made in a timely manner to the extent
(inaudible)
Moxley: We started begging before the, we started begging last year to the City and I have
talked for a year and a half with Shari Stiles and Bruce Freckleton about how we needed
this taken care of and late March I went in and begged to get this taken care of because
he said that water will be flowing and will come in in April and there is water in the ditch
you can't do construction without taking our water away from us and everyone down the
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Corrie: Council, any questions at this point?
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, was there an issue also with your property markers being removed,
is that the steel pins?
Moxley: Yes, at the corner the red monument pins have been taken up and they said that
they would replace them and they just haven't done it.
Corrie: Those are the five that the Council had received. I guess. at this point I would like
to have a representative from Chamberlain Estates answer those if you have any
questions or you feel any of them are yours or not. Do you have anything you want to say?
Persons: (Inaudible) At this time no, we don't have anything additional to add. You have
the letter before you that Ms. Moxley signed at the time stating she didn't want her ditch
along the back of her property piped. I was not involved at that time to know the
conversations she had with the person who spoke with her about the ditch and whether
it was piped or not piped. So I can't say I know what happened there. We worked with
the City of Meridian in trying to take care of many concerns she had. We have met the
requirement of the City of Meridian and Nampa Meridian Irrigation District both. I am not
trying to do anything to hurt anybody or make people's lives more difficult. At the same
time I don't know what else we can do.
Corrie: Any questions from Council?
Morrow: Have you personally or representative from Chamberlain Estates reviewed each
one of these 6 items?
Persons: No, I haven't seen them until just now.
Corrie: Shari, can you give us some light on these things. I think you have had some
conversation with Carol.
Stiles: Mr. Mayor and Council this has been going on for a long time. We did talk with the
developer extensively and I don't know if Gene Smith was there at the time but there were
conversations about the ditch and about the fence and I also Carol is upset because it is
not anon-combustible fence right now. Previously when she had come in it was before the
plat was even recorded and her father orfather in-law had come in with her and they were
very concemed about the density that had been allowed around their home. This was the
first contact I had had with them. Very concerned about their privacy and disruption of
their lives. That was the reason that the cedar fence was put. in instead of a non-
combustible fence at that point. This was also right after the Bedford Place variance
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incident and while I know there is a great difference in the size and the money involved
in piping that ditch the Council ruled that a variance was not needed because it was
completely in the center of the ditch or a majority wasn't in the ditch, the property line. The
developer I think has tried to work with them, I have no idea what the problem is with the
digging. Nobody does any inspections of those. I don't know why just the post holes would
cause this problem, it was very hard to see what happened after the fence was put in
because you can't get back there and it is so covered with weeds you can't see what is
there. I do understand there is a problem with the way it is swirling in at the inlet there
where it touches her property, where it comes into her property. However the developer
tells us that she now will not them come onto her property for any reason. So they have
been to the engineer, the engineer has reported they have not been able to enter the
property to pertorm any remedy of that problem. They have also put a hot wire around the
back I guess is constructed incorrectly to help keep the horses out or keep them away from
eating the fence. I didn't know about the rocks before, if there is a problem with them
placing rocks on the property as part of the project that the horses are tripping on I wasn't
aware of that before.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, it seems to me that the beginning of the solution to this dilemma is that
we have an ordinance officer a P & Z Compliance officer that part of his job description
ought to be to take this do some fact finding and report back to the Council what the issues
really are. It also may very well be that in doing so that he may be able to offer solutions
on site and act as a facilitator or arbitrator in terms of getting some of these things taken
care of once he observes what is really going on there. So it seems to me that it might be
a benefit to the Council to assign this issue to the Ordinance compliance officer and have
him issue us a written or verbal report by next meeting and then take whatever action is
necessary on the part of the Council.
Rountree: Mr. Mayor, question for Shari, do you recall or do you have the findings of fact
or development agreement, was there a requirement to the this ditch or was that varied or
what is the situation?
Stiles: Councilman Rountree, Mayor and Council, I believe the development agreement
had a requirement to retain and protect the ditch. I guess at this point it is really my feeling
that if Carol doesn't feel that they have done that it is not in purview to figure out if that in
fact is the case. How do we determine if she doesn't have her historical water. Dean is
not of any kind of authority to be able to tell what in fact the remedy is. I really do believe
it is a civil case and that if she has lost the right to hef historical use of water then that is
not the City's responsibility. It is in the fact that we approved the plat and we approved the
construction but this ditch was not part of the development plans that we approved. It was
not shown, I don't believe it was shown as part of the property.
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Rountree: If a condition of the development agreement was to retain and protect the ditch
and that in fact has not happened then I believe that the City would be involved at that
point.
Stiles: But how do you determine that, who makes that determination whether that has not
been done. That is not something that the code enforcement officer is educated in, I am
not sure that anyone in the Public Works department is that knowledgeable about that
particular point.
Rountree: Could that be a call made by the irrigation district?
Stiles: They have not indicated any responsibility and Dan Steenson is the attorney for the
irrigation company who she has retained. We is Nampa Meridian's attorney. So if he is
making the determination that she is not getting her historical water flow well that is a civil
case. I think it is between Carol and the developer.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I am going to follow up on Mr. Rountree's point is that if the ditch
operating ditch was required to be left operational in terms of the development of the
subdivision as a condition of the development agreement then and it is a ditch that has
been operating for some time and it has firm banks and it has sodded in banks, it doesn't
run silty it is fairly easy for anybody to observe a ditch that has been disturbed and is thus
running silt and creating a plugging of the outlets if you will or depositing silt on the field
or whatever it might be. We are not talking rocket science here it is the code enforcement
officer ought to have the experience or at least be able to solicit the guidance of looking
at a ditch and saying yes it has been disturbed and has been rebuilt and it is silting down
the property or plugging the outlets. That is not real tough to do as opposed to a
seasoned ditch that does not do those kinds of things. So if the development agreement
that was part of the approval process of the subdivision indicated that the ditch was to be
left in a functioning manner and left alone it should be reasonably easy for Dean to look
at that and say yes it was or no it wasn't. And then give us a report back. I guess my ryext
question is, is this ditch both an irrigation ditch and a drain ditch, does it serve duel
capacity? It only serves as an irrigation ditch?
Stiles: Yes, and there is no way to see the ditch now. You cannot see the ditch, you can
see the corner where the water comes in a little bit.
Moxley: The Bras has grown so high that a person can't walk though, you can't see
anything but this which is also (inaudible)
Morrow: Whose property is the grass on?
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Moxley: On our property.
Morrow: How come the grass has not been maintained?
Moxley: We can't get in there to do it.
Morrow: Do you not have an open field that the ditch serves?
Moxley: Yes an open ditch on this Side and the (inaudible) In the past where there were
two barbed wire fences and there was a drainage ditch on the other side (inaudible) this
was a concrete ditch that came through. We took the wires out and the horses ate the
grass or else we took our wires down and we ran a ditch witch for a weed whacker or were
just free to burn. Now because, if we let our horse in, we don't own the horses we rent out
the pasture. There is loose gravel stones that they just used because the water comes in
at this angle and it is going to erode the land. I said please don't leave me with my field
going, they put in river rock that is not cemented or anything and it just falls. When
anybody comes in and this is a solid fence that you can't walk along it has soft dirt pushed
in so I can't walk along here and I don't dare burn and if I take this down the horses will
be in and I am liable for the damage done to the horses. This is solid grass as high as the
fence is. It is also stopping the water flow and we have tried to get in there with a gas
powered weed whacker and it puts both my husband and I at such a hazard trying to walk
along and you can't tell if you are go on soft dirt or old bank and we are slipping and
sliding in there. Our question is if it is a civil case and the City is not responsible then why
is it the developer feels he has permission to make the changes to the ditch and to dig on
our property and do all of the things that he has done to the fencing and the property
markers and so forth. If he wasn't given permission from the City, because he certainly
wasn't given permission from us which we would have gladly but nobody ever contacts us
we just took out the window one day and there is equipment tearing up the ditch or tearing
up the fence or whatever needs to be done for the construction that day.
Corrie: I guess the question would be Carol whether the City gave them permission to do
that or not though. I don't know, we would have to look back at the conditions of the
agreement but I wouldn't think the City would give them carte balance to do what they
want. I do know that our discussions yours and my discussions that the developer didn't
want to put that angled in there so it would go straight down your ditch and I think you
agreed with that but the trouble is there is water there now and as soon as the water goes
out then they can; are you going to let them put that in.
Moxley: Yes but they keep saying they are going to do it but it is a joke to keep telling me
we are going to come do it that the water runs until the end of October. Even if I say fine
I don't want my water I will forgo that I am responsible to keep the ditch clear and running
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for the people farther on down the way and we have already discussed it with them. They
say no they have to have their water.
Corrie: is the ditch on your property?
Moxley: Yes, it is right on the property line, it is not a few feet in. The bank on the other
side, the top of the bank is where they put the fence because their property line is
(inaudible).
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, could I have Counselor Mr. Crookston give us the benefit of his
thoughts here please?
Crookston: I believe that I would have to look at the development agreement I would have
to look at the findings of fact and conclusions of law. There are issues here that I haven't
looked at whatsoever. I don't believe that I am in a position to be able to advise the
Council as to how this should be handled. Simply because I don't have all of the
information that I need.
Corrie: Let me ask you this Counselor if we got as much information or you looked at that
and read those along with the Planning and Zoning Ordinance officer giving us input do
you think that we could maybe address this at the next meeting?
Crookston: I believe that we could. It certainly may be a civil matter but I can't say that it
is or is not until I have looked at all of that.
Morrow: It would be my preference that we have the City Attorney and the Ordinance
Officer research this issue and then report back to the Council at our next meeting which
would be October 1.
Corrie: Mrs. Moxley would that be okay with you until we look into this? I will entertain a
motion (inaudible).
Rountree: Mr. Mayor, I would ask Mrs. Moxley if you would allow the City inspector and
possibly some other city staff to inspect the ditch?
Moxley: We have all along said that we wanted to be notified and have the people come
out. It is just that we rent to the horses and we need to know if the people are going in and
out with gates and I don't want to shock somebody with the hot wire and the water
combination. If you tell me I can unplug the fence and would be glad to do that.
Rountree: What is a reasonable notification?
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Moxley: That day, I am there.
Corrie: Any further discussion?
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Tolsma: I might mention to Shari that if the ordinance officer wants to go out there
(inaudible) ditch rider because he has a lot of experience in ditches and stuff and
(Inaudible).
Corrie: Any further discussion or comments. Mr. Morrow, is that then your motion?
Morrow: I will start from scratch Mr. Mayor, I would move that we instruct the ordinance
officer and City Attorney and other members of staff as needed to research the issue with
respect to Mrs. Moxley's comments on the Chamberlain Estates ditch issue and report
back to the Council the facts on October 1, 1996 for further action at that time.
Bentley: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Bentley to have the Planning and
Zoning Enforcement Officer (inaudible) City Attorney to look into this and report back on
October 1 meeting, any further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #2: TABLED SEPTEMBER 3, 1996: AMENDED ORDINANCE #3-101 GENERAL
LICENSE CONDITIONS:
Corrie: This will be Ordinance #744, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MERIDIAN
REPEALING SECTION 3-101 OF THE REVISED AND COMPILED ORDINANCES OF
THE CITY OF MERIDIAN AND RE-ENACTING SAID SECTION 3-101 OF THE REVISED
AND COMPILED ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF MERIDIAN AND PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE. Is there anyone from the audience that would like to have Ordinance
#744 read in its entirety? Hearing none I will entertain a motion on Ordinance #744.
(End of Tape)
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Tolsma to approve Ordinance #744
with suspension of the rules, any further discussion? Roll call vote.
ROLL CALL VOTE: Morrow -Yea, Bentley -Yea, Rountree -Yea, Tolsma -Yea
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
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Corrie: Fdr the audience this ordinance what it is primarily is determining applicant's
abili#y for a license has different areas of people who need to be finger printed, such as
the peddlers, solicitors, escort business, private security service operators, citizens bn
patrol, police reserves. It is primarily just to background check those types of people.
ITEM #3: TABLED SEPTEMBER 3, 1996: NON-DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR
RAVEN HILL SUBDIVISION:
Corrie: Counselor, has that development agreement been read and approved by you?
Crookston: Yes it has.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I would move that we approve the non-development agreement for
Raven Hill Subdivision.
Tolsma: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Tolsma to approve the non-
development agreement far Raven Hill Subdivision, any further discussion? All those in
favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #4: TABLED SEPTEMBER 3, 1996: REQUEST FOR A TEMPORARY
CONSTRUCTION TRAILER IN MORNING GLORY SUBDIVISION BY PRESCOTT
HOMES:
Corrie: That was tabled because we did not have a representative from the Prescott
Homes, is there are representative at this time? A message has been left on the recorder
the City Clerk tells me. What is the Council's pleasure?
Bentley: Mr. Mayor, I would move that we table this to our next meeting October 1.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Bentley, second by Mr. Rountree to table to October 1
meeting, any further discussion?
Morrow: I think my point of interest in terms of discussion and in the motion would be that
we notify that if there is not a presentation at the October 1 meeting that the item be
dropped from the agenda.
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Corrie: Is this the general feeling from the Council?
Morrow: Would you amend the motion to reflect that please?
Rountree: I will withdraw my second.
Bentley: Mr. Mayor I would move that we table this until October 1 and notify the applicant
if them is no one representing them present it will be dropped from the agenda.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made that we table to October 1 for the notification on the request, any
further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #5: FINAL PLAT FOR BEDFORD PLACE SUBDIVISION NO. 3 BY BRIGHTON
CORPORATION:
Corrie: I will entertain a motion for table.
Tolsma: So moved
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Tolsma, second by Mr. Rountree to table to October 1
meeting on item 5 the Bedford Place Subdivision final plat, any further discussion? All
those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #6: FINAL PLAT FOR THE LAKE AT CHERRY LANE N0. 5 SUBDIVISION BY
STEINER DEVELOPMENT:
Corrie: Is there a representative from Steiner Development here?
Bradbury: Mr. Mayor and members of the Council my name is Steve Bradbury I am here
to present the final plat for the Lake at Cherry Lane No. 5. I assume that you have plats
in front of you, if you don't or if it would be more convenient to look at 8 1 /2 by 11's I have
some that I can pass out if you would like them. If you have eyes like me you won't be
able to see that one anyway. Mr. Mayor and members of the Council this is the final plat
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for the Lake at Cherry Lane subdivision No. 5. This was originally presented or maybe I
should put it this way, the preliminary plat was approved I believe last October. This is the
entire 40 acre parcel that has been before you on a number of occasions, the entire 40
acre parcel that is presently owned by Mr. Teter who is here. Just by way of background
you will recall that this proposal was brought to you in I guess two or three different pieces,
the 40 acre parcel was to be divided into basically east and west halves more or less with
single family residences on the west half. On the east half of the property was going to
be divided into a senior citizen complex in the southeast corner. Then amulti-family or
condominium type project in the northeast corner. The proposal here is to obtain approval
for the final plat of the entire 40 with the expectation that the building lots in the westerly
half would be constructed and that the further preliminary plat for the southeasterly lot that
10 acres or approximately 10 acre lot you have approved a preliminary plat for that. The
working drawings are in process and would be submitted to the City soon for final plat on
that section. The application for the approval of the project in the northeasterly quadrant
that approximately 6 or 7 acre parcel is just about ready to be submitted to the City. I
guess a version of that application has come to the City and has been sent back for some
additional information. So, just, we are about to reach closure on the entire project. The
intention is to develop the lots that you see here first, then to develop the senior complex
in the southeasterly portion of the property and then to develop the northeasterly portion
of the property in that order. Keith Jacobs the project engineer is here and he can answer
any technical questions that you may have with respect to the plat. We have received the
comments of staff and I believe staff has received our responses to them. Gary did you
get that fax from Keith's office today? Okay, he has got those. In essence we can say we
are, the conditions or comments of staff are well taken and we will comply with the
requests that are contained therein. There is one question that we have with respect to
perimeter fencing, Mr. Campbell had a conversation with Shari, I believe it was earlier
today to discuss the requirements that the Council might impose with respect to perimeter
fencing. And suggested that perhaps we ask the Council to simply let Mr. Campbell work
that out with Shari as a part of the further approval process. The issue that is being raised
here is this project is surrounded by existing or proposed residential subdivisions and that
it may not be necessary to put a perimeter fence around the entire project as a part of the
approval tonight. Of course there will be security fencing around the senior citizen
complex, we expect we will have perimeter fencing around other portions of the property
and the development plans have shown the fencing to go along Ten .Mile Road. We would
just like to have an opportunity to work it out with Shari and see if we can't come up with
a fencing plan that makes sense for everybody. If we need to talk in more detail about that
we can. Part of the project contemplates the conveyance of a parcel of property to the City
to be used as a fire station site. I have copies of a gift deed that Mr. and Mrs. Teter have
executed. Mr. Teter holds the original of the deed and he has suggested that he would
deliver that deed to the City upon the city signing the final plat of the subdivision. That
could be made as a condition of the signature on the plat. What we would like to suggest
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that the City do upon receipt of that deed is hold it, have the Mayor hold it in his file until
the final plat is recorded that way we can avoid the possibility the potential that the City
and Mr. Teter and Steiner Develgpment would be parties to an illegal subdivision. Once
the final plat is re~rded the lot comes into existence officially then the Mayor and simply
have somebody go down and arrange for the deed to be recorded. If we get the deed
recorded in front of the plat I fear we are going to have problems. So that is a suggestion
I would just like to make. I have also proposed declaration of covenants, conditions and
restrictions. This is as you will see a supplemental declaration, the intention is to simply
extend the provisions of the restrictive covenants applicable to the Lake at Cherry Lane
No. 3 Subdivision to this subdivision with some minor modifications. We understand that
Mr. Crookston hasn't yet had an opportunity to review those but we will be willing to work
with the City Attorney to make whatever modifications may be necessary in order to satisfy
you and he. One point Wayne, the lot numbering scheme that is shown in this document
may need to be fixed up in order to comply with some of the requests that have been made
by staff for the final plat and we will fix up all of the lot numbers to get those squared away.
With that I am prepared to answer any questions that you folks may have.
Corrie: Thank you Steve, any questions of Council?
Morrow: All of the lots in this subdivision are required (inaudible)
Bradbury: Well my understanding was that the lots in this subdivision that, well shoot you
know, my recollection is the lots in this subdivision are not required to pay a golf course
development fee because they are not adjacent to the golf course. Now my recollection
may be faulty and pefiaps somebody can help me with that. Perhaps we can review the
findings and conclusions and see if that condition exists.
Morrow: (Inaudible)
Bradbury: No this is remote from the golf course, this is separated from the golf course by
the Lake at Cheny Lane No. 4 Subdivision by No. 3 I am cony. I get the numbers all fouled
up.
Morrow: So the west boundary is with No. 3 it is not any portion of the west boundary is
with the golf course?
Bradbury: That is correct.
Crookston: Mr. Bradbury, it was my understanding that the lots developed by Steiner
Corporation by which were lots that were developed from land that was purchased from
Mr. Barney the lots developed that was land owned by Mr. Fuller I believe a portion of the
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lots that are owned by Mr. White, I think all were required to pay the golf course
development fee.
Bradbury: I haven't got a specific recollection of what the Council's findings are with
respect to this issue on this particular plat. But I would be more than pleased to work with
the City Attorney to straighten that out if you would like. This particular parcel was
purchased or is under contract for purchase by Steiner Development from Mr. and Mrs.
Teter. It is a different property then the one that was purchased from Mr. and Mrs. Barney.
I just don't have, I don't recall that the issue of a golf course development fee came up with
respect to this parcel in the past. I think in the restrictive covenants that I have put before
you I modified the language with respect to a golf course development fee to exclude
these lots from it. If that is not correct then yes we need to fix it and do something different
if you intention is otherwise. I guess I would suggest the place to look would be in the
findings of fact and conclusions of law. I have a copy in my file here in the room if we want
to take a look at those.
Cowie: Going back to memory which is not always the best way to go but I don't recall that
subdivision being included in that. It is the ones that surround the golf course and are
adjacent to that not any other subdivisions after that. But I think it would be a good point
counselor we do need to go back and look at that to make sure. But I don't recall that
being part of the fees.
Crookston: As you say it is not best to rely on your memory but as I recall it didn't matter
whether a lot was adjacent to the golf course or not. If it was within the land being
developed by those three entities that it was to be structured with a golf course
development fee imposed.
Bradbury: Well I suppose taking the issue to its illogical conclusion how far away from the
golf course do you go. If Mr. Steiner buys the next 4Q and then 40 and the next 40 and the
next 40 is the golf course development fee imposed on the fourth 40 out?
Morrow: I think Mr. Bradbury to bring this conclusion the issue in terms of what ground
pays golf course development fees was set by the original proposal that was put forth in
1978 by Mr. Leavitt of Leavitt New Pacific and the grounds that were incorporated and the
premise which the City accepted the deed to the golf course and the promise that they
were going to have 18 holes and a club house at no expense to the City and be donated
by Leavitt New Pacific. It is my understanding that the grounds that were part of that
original proposal were the ones that were limited to the golf course fee. So that in fact the
City would be made whole some seventeen years later with respect to that golf course
ground. Now then whether this part of that ground or not I cannot tell you. And I would
suggest that the findings of fact and conclusions are the proper place to resolve the issue.
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Bradbury: And I agree, you obviously have far more background on the topic then I do and
I agree, I think the thing for us to do is look at the findings of fact and conclusions of law
and decide whether or not it was contemplated and perhaps take another step back and
look at the, whatever documentation was created at the time the original agreement was
made and try to determine if this parcel of ground was intended to be included. If so then
there you have it.
Morrow: I think it is worthy of research.
Bradbury; I guess what I would suggest we do so we can maybe avoid one additional
meeting maybe and maybe we can't but maybe we could perhaps we could simply impose
a condition that the matter be reviewed and whatever, in the event there is a need to
impose the golf course development fee and come back and talk to the City Council if not
go ahead and get the plat circulated and on its way.
Con'ie: Well I would be most interested in those findings of fact myself too. Is that included
in part of the 556 that they were counting, Walt do you .know?
Morrow: At this point I can't recall, I don't remember, it was you and I and Ron that were
part of that approval process over a year ago and I just simply can't tell you.
Bradbury: If you would like, I did bring a copy of the findings and conclusions, I can pull
them out now, we can even go onto the next item of business and pull those out and we
can take a quick look at them and see if it gives us any help.
Tolsma: (Inaudible)
Crookston: I am not sure if there is a reference in the findings of fact on any of these
properties that relate to the golf course development fee.
Morrow: I think Mr. Mayor if I might suggest in order to, we can discuss this for some time
it seems to me the appropriate thing might be to make a motion that we approve the final
plat for the Lake at Cherry Lane No. 5 by Steiner Development subject to the lot donation
by Mr. Teter being recorded after the recording of the plat, the CC&R's being approved by
City Attorney Crookston and that the golf course development fee issue be researched and
resolved again by City Attorney Crookston.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree, further discussion?
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Tolsma: This final plat here now that Number 5 subdivision, that is just the platted lots
(inaudible). The only thing is actually NO. 5 is this section here (inaudible)
Bradbury: No, the entire 40 will be comprised of Subdivision No. 6. Hopefully it will make
sense, there are two large lots one in the southeasterly comer and one in the northeasterly
corner. When we come back for the final plat approval for No. 6 it will be a redivision of
that southeasterly comer lot that comprises of about 10 acres. It is covered up with a little
table there now. The reason for it and maybe I can help you understand, the reason for
platting the entire 40 is because we have to put the road through the middle of it in order
to get to the back half. If we didn't plat the entire 40 we would end up with two remote
pieces that would then be outside of the subdivision, it seemed to us to make more sense
to divide the whole 40, get the whole road in across the entire 40 front to back, designate
those two what otherwise would have been out parcels as lots within the subdivision and
those by the way are both zoned R-15 according to your previous approval. Then we will
be back to redivide those large lots as we have shown you in the submittal in the past.
Tolsma: (Inaudible) I have a question, is that agreeable with you on that? To approve the
entire 40 acres on the final plat?
Smith: I don't have a problem with it Councilman.
Tolsma: You don't have a problem with that?
Smith: No sir.
Tolsma: (Inaudible) water lines or sewer lines laid out in their streets?
Smith: There is a feature sewer line that would go up through the northeast large lot and
there is a sewer line that comes from the northeast comer of the R-4 development that is
shown on that plat that runs to the east through the northerly portion of that Northeast
large lot. But those will have permanent easements written, descriptions for permanent
easements written and recorded in favor of the City so that we can access them for
maintenance.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, if I might, Ron, and I think what is really going on here is that in ~
sense if in this phase is divided into single lots, if you have 40 lots there then these other
2 lots comprise lots 1 and 2. So you have a total of 42 lots. Then what happens is when
those lots are (inaudible) all development issues in terms of sewer line running through
and utilities and all of that stuff. And then at some point in the future you come and re-
subdivide as per their master plan for whatever it is they want a final development. At that
time it would be re-plated and we would again take a look at that and redo that and
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approve the new plat for the re-subdivision of lot 1 if that is the case.
Corrie: Any further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #7: FINAL PLAT FOR CROSSROADS SUBDIVISION N0. 4 BY CAPITAL
DEVELOPMENT:
Corrie: Is there a representative for Capital Development here this evening?
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I am sorry I know I am a little out of order here but I do think it would
be appropriate on the part of the City for us to issue a letter signed by the Mayor and the
four councilmen thanking Mr. Teter and his wife Viola for their donation of the ground for
a future fire station site. I don't want to be remiss and overlook the importance of that
donation to this community.
Corrie: Mr. Morrow I will do that, would you like to have all the Council sign that letter?
Morrow: I would please.
Corrie: I will draw it up and have it for signature.
Smith: Mr. Mayor, members of the Council, my name is Gene Smith, with Hubble
Engineering. I am here this evening to represent Capital Development with Crossroads
Subdivision No. 4. I believe you have before you Mr. Freckleton's September 12
comments concerning Crossroads Subdivision. We have addressed those comments and
have three items that we would like to discuss with you. Item 3 we have been requested
to determine the seasonal high ground water elevation and submit profile of the
subsurface soil conditions as prepared by a soil scientist wi#h the street development
plans. This is a new condition that I haven't seen previously on subdivisions. We are
required by ACRD to provide them with applicable data identifying the the ground water
is and during the time of construction of seepage trenches or storm drainage facilities if
that ground water is up into the seepage trench then basically they shut down the project
until there is further design, redesign, whatever means to remove that ground water to a
depth that is suitable for the seepage trenches. So I guess I feel that item 3 is kind of a
waste of money at this point in time to go in and hire a soil scientist at this time to catalog
those conditions where we have already received ACRD for the improvement plans
including the seepage trenches, the drainage facilities. So I would propose that item be
deleted as a condition of approval. Under site specific conditions or site specific
comments item 2, it states a permanent exterior perimeter fencing is required to be in place
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prior to obtaining building permits. I guess I just wanted to make a point of clarification on
this item in previous phases of Crossroads that perimeter fencing has been the perimeter
of the development. And that is how I was interpreting this, it was not necessarily the
perimeter of the interior of this Crossroads Subdivision No. 4 Subdivision. Is that, was that
your intent Shari, Mr. Mayor I am sorry.
Stiles: That comment is directed towards exterior boundaries.
Smith: Okay, our final item of concern is under site specific item 10 to create a common
area lot with a blanket easement in favor of the City of Meridian for operation and
maintenance of sewer and water facilities over the 30 foot wide area between lots 10 and
12. We have attempted to provide that however if we provide a full 30 foot wide lot for
those facilities then lot 10becomes anon-buildable lot. The area of that lot becomes less
than 8000 square feet. We could however and I would propose that the condition be stated
that we work with staff to possibly realign the existing 30 foot sewer easement so that it
would be moved further to the north and or reduce the width of the common lot to less than
the width of a 30 foot easement. There is both sewer and water facilities, sewer and water
mains within that easement and I would propose that we could relocate that easement to
accommodate those.
Corrie: Have you discussed that with staff yet?
Smith: Just briefly later this afternoon, Bruce and I were trading phone calls and faxes and
so on and so forth and I don't know if Bruce was able to get a copy of my latest fax to Gary
or not.
Corrie: Any comments or questions from Council?
Rountree: The final plat you submitted shows the 30 foot easement there, I would assume
that the staff s comment is with respect to what you have identified as a 30 foot easement.
Eng. Smith: That is an existing 30 foot easement yes. I think the intent, Mr. Mayor and
Councilman Rountree I think the intent on stafYs part was to make that a common lot for
the full width of that 30 foot easement. By so doing that would create anon-buildable lot
on Lot 10.
Rountree: I have a question for Gary on that particular item. On the question about the
common lot for the easement, what is, is 30 feet a City requirement?
Eng. Smith: Yes, where we have a water and sewer line they have to be separated by 10
feet horizontally and we used ten feet each way from each line added to the ten foot
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Smith: I don't think that would be a problem.
Eng. Smith: Does that answer your question Councilman Rountree?
Rountree: I just wanted to make sure that the easement could be accommodated by the
adjustment in those lot lines to your satisfaction.
Eng. Smith: Well I guess what I am hearing Gene say is that it can within a foot on one
side, on the sewer side. On the water side we can have the 10 foot and if that is the case
then that is acceptable. Mr. Mayor and Council members can I jump back and answer a
comment on soil scientist issue. I don't know the status of the development plans for the
streets, are they approved by the Highway District?
Smith: Yes they are.
Eng. Smith: Are the drainage pits within the right of way?
Smith: Not all of them no.
Eng. Smith: Who is going to maintain the drainage pits?
Smith: The heavy maintenance as we have done on other pits that are located outside of
the right of way is done by ACHD, light maintenance the upkeep etc. will be done by the
homeowners association.
Eng. Smith: Does the heavy maintenance include the maintenance of the subsurface
materials, the drain rock, the piping? Or does it only include maintenance of the surface
as far as mucking out the silts and sands and so forth? My concern is, the reason I ask
that question, my concern with the water level is that the water level fluctuates over the
year it is going to be highest in October and obviously if the drain pit is built then it will give
us a very good indication of where the high water will be or could be. Our concern is, if
the Highway District is not going to maintain the subsurface materials and they are going
to throw that bads in the face of the homeowners then we need to be absolutely sure that
the water level whatever the historic high ground water level is it is below the point that
the Highway District has established as the maximum elevation for these drain pit
construction. If the Highway District is going to maintain the drainage pits subsurface
materials as well as keeping the surface, heavy maintenance of the surface then that is
fine, it is theirs and if they stamp their approval on it they have got it. If they don't want any
information on the ground water then that is their prerogative. But if it falls back to the
homeowners then I am going to stand pretty strong on knowing where that historic high
ground water level is. It is my understanding that a soil scientist can tell us that by looking
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know as concerns to ground water has to do with certain areas of the City having ground
water or water pop up in crawl spaces. In come cases in most cases I should say this
water is not ground water but it is surface water that can't go down through the ground and
into the gravels because of the clay layer. Sometimes knowing this information can
prevent future problems with homeowners having to deal with surface water that is
popping up in the crawl spaces because it can't get down. If the builders know ahead of
time they can make provisions in construction of their crawl space so that any surface
water that did come horizontally through the building site can be intercepted with a drain
pit and conveyed down into the ground water gravels. So two reasons for that comment
and we, I don't know the last subdivision that you did Gene but we have been using the
comment for a fair amount of time now.
Smith: Mr. Mayor and members of the council, in response to Gary. The ACRD we did
provide them with data is was based on the sewer trenches and as you noted I believe
Gary that sewer trench was a fairly deep trench in that area. That is where that data came
from. It is not like they are not looking at the data, it was just, we had provided different
data to them. Secondly I do not recall the exact language in the maintenance agreement
with ACHD. I do recall that they take care of the heavy maintenance and I don't remember
if that extends out into the sub surface or not. With respect as to providing test pits if that
is the Council's desire we can certainly do that.
Corrie: Any other questions of Council? Any further questions of Council to staff?
Morrow: I would like to follow up with Gary, your response to Gene's proposal with respect
to the sewer trench and that data with the ground water issue what are your feelings Gary
about that?
Eng. Smith: Well I still Mr. Mayor and Councilman Morrow, I still want to know who is
going to maintain the drainage pits.
Morrow: And that information would we get a letter from ACHD as to declaring their
position?
Eng. Smith: Right, if they are going to deal with the gravels under the drain pipe in the
drainage pits that is fine. They can use the information that was given to them from the
sewer trench excavation and run with it. The problem that occurs is if the ground water
come up into the absorption beds or the drainage pits then the functioning of the beds is
seriously hampered. There is nowhere for the water to go, there is no storage. That is the
reason that the ground water level is so important. If they are going to maintain it and they
have decided from the information given to them on the sewer trench construction that is
fine. I just don't feel responsible enough to say to the homeowners here it~ is yours and
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without that information from a soil scientist stating that yes this bed is being constructed
above the historical high ground water level.
Corrie: Any further comments? Hearing none I will entertain a motion on the final plat.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I would move that we approve the final plat for Crossroads
Subdivision No. 4 by Capital Development subject to staff, ACHD conditions and further
subjecting it to the resolution of the easement for sewer and water services between lot
10 and lot 12 and also a letter from ACHD as to who is maintaining the drainage pit, the
subsurface drainage pit portion. Based on that letter then the appropriate specifications
by City Engineer Smith would be followed.
Bentley: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Bentley to the final plat approval
subject to the conditions as stated, any further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #8: PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE FOR HI-MICRO TOOL
COMPANY BY NEWBERRY ENTERPRISES:
Corrie: At this time I will open the public hearing and invite the representative from Hi-
Micro Tool Company to come forward first.
Dale Newberry, 1410 East Pine, was sworn by the City Attorney.
Newberry: The main issue here was the property line on the east side of ours bordering
with Mrs. Reamon's property. I think we have resolved the issue, Mrs. Reamon contacted
me and told me that she feels like she is no longer physically able to live alone in her
house and she is selling the property to us. I just signed the earnest money. agreement
this afternoon. Unless there are other public statements to be made by other people I
think this one has been resolved.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, question Dale, the issue would then would you like to see that it is
dropped from the agenda or tabled pending the resolution of the earnest money agreement
so that the process is in effect if something happens to the earnest money agreement then
we simply bring it off the table and press forward with the variance issue. If nothing
happens and the sale is completed then the point becomes moot.
Newberry: That would be satisfactory with me if we could just table that pending the final
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sale which is scheduled to be October 1.
Morrow: Shari has a comment.
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Stiles: Mr. Mayor and Council, the only thing that I am concerned about is that if building
permit application has been submitted the building permit can't be issued until this is
resolved. I don't know what the time period is on your agreement.
Newberry: October 1.
Stiles: So that is probably about when you would be wanting a building permit?
Newberry: Right, I hope it is done then.
Stiles: That is the only problem that I see.
Corrie: Is there anyone else from the public that would like to issue testimony on this
variance request? Hearing none I will under the circumstances close the public hearing
at this time. I take that back right now, is it your desire to continue this to the next meeting,
is this what you are asking for Walt?
Morrow: Yes, my motion would be (End of Tape)
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Tolsma to continue the public hearing
until October 1 meeting, any further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #9: PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR A VACATION OF EASEMENT BY
RICHARD VALLA:
Corrie:. At this time I will open the public hearing and is Richard or a representative here?
Richard Valla, 16685 Rose Briar Lane, Nampa, was sworn by the City Attorney.
Valla: We are requesting a 45 degree water line easement that is not being used be
vacated. This is at the Northwest corner of Franklin and Meridian streets. The existing
water lines and area are serviced, the area is serviced by existing water lines to the
northeast and south of the property.
Corrie: Questions from Council?
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Morrow: Mr. Mayor I have a question, you are the owner of this lot?
Valla: Yes my family is.
Morrow: My only comment concerning this is that I would really like to thank you guys for
having the thing cleaned up. There have been a lot of people in the City that have said and
very rarely do they say much but they are really happy with that being cleaned up and I
would like to thank you on behalf of the City and citizens and Council for taking that step
and helping us out.
Corrie: Anybody else from the public that would like to issue testimony in this request for
vacation of easement? Council are you ready to vote on that? 1 will close the public
hearing.
Rountree: Does this require findings of fact?
Crookston: It does not.
Rountree: Just an action, Mr. Mayor, I move that we approve the request for vacation of
the easement for the applicant Richard Valla.
Bentley: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Rountree, second by Mr. Bentley that the request for vacation
of easement be approved, any further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea.
Crookston: Mr. Mayor, we do need an ordinance on it however.
Corrie: I will entertain a motion for an ordinance to be drawn.
Rountree: So moved
Morrow: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Rountree, second by Mr. Morrow that an ordinance be drawn
up by the City Attorney, any further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
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FIVE MINUTE RECESS
ITEM #10: PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR A REZONE FROM R-4 TO L-O BY KELLE
WATKINS AND DOUG STEWART:
Corrie: I will open the public meeting at this time and invite either Kelle or Doug to come
forward first.
Doug Stewart, 5960 North Linder Road, was sworn by the City Attorney.
Stewart: We would like this piece of property rezoned to light office. Everything on that
street is rezoned commercial and that looks like a good piece of property for my wife. to
open a counseling office. That is why we would like it rezoned. I have spoken with Shari
and Bruce both and submitted a plan to them and they approved it. So that is the story.
Corrie: Okay Doug, are there any questions from the Council?
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, Mr. Stewart you have read the conditions of approval from the City
Engineer's office and from the planning and zoning, are you in concurrence with those
conditions?
Stewart: Yes I met with both Shari and Bruce and we talked about all of those and I
submitted a plan to them and they said that would be an adequate plan.
Morrow: Okay, you are aware the development agreement and those kinds of things need
to be done? Have you seen these?
Stewart: I have read all of those. We are flying by the seat of our pants here we are not
developers.
Morrow: I understand that, I have not a problem with that:
Stewarts: I don't want to move any sewers or create any easements.
Morrow: I have no further questions.
Corrie: Any further questions of the Council, Staff? Comments?
Stiles: Mr. Mayor and Council, the findings for this that references a development
agreement. We have talked about a development agreement we would like to have not
quite the extensive development agreement we have had on past projects for a project this
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small. He, the applicant is aware they need to come in with their drainage plans for their
parking lot. We have worked on the 20 foot landscape setback, they will be down to about
13 feet in one area but that is to provide one parking space out front beyond that 13 feet
on the west side of the property will be 33 feet. So I think they have developed an
adequate plan that will meet our requirements.
Bentley: Mr. Mayor, I have a question for Shari, did the driveway issue get all settled up?
Stiles: Yes, they are allowing the driveway on Cherry.
Corrie: Thank you very much, we will see if there are other people in the public that would
like to testify. Is there anybody else from the public that would like to enter testimony on
this rezone? Members of Council any discussion?
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I would move that we adopt the findings of fact.
Corrie: I will close the public hearing at this time.
Morrow: At this time I would move that we approve the findings of fact and conclusions of
law as prepared for us by the P & Z.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree that we approve the findings
of fact and conclusions of law as prepared by the Planning and Zoning, roll call vote.
DOLL CALL VOTE: Morrow -Yea, Bentley -Yea, Rountree -Yea, Tolsma -Yea
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Corrie: Is there a motion on the decision?
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I move that the City Council ofi the City of Meridian approve of this
rezone requested by the applicant for the property described in the application with the
conditions set forth in these findings of fact and conclusions of law and that the property
be required to meet the water and sewer requirements, the fire and life safety codes,
uniform building code and other ordinances of the City of Meridian including the parking
area shall be paved.
Bentley: Second
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Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Bentley on the decision as read, any
further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Corrie: Entertain a motion for an ordinance.
Morrow: So moved
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree to have the attorney draw
up the ordinance, all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #11: PUBLIC HEARING: SEWER AND WATER CONNECTION FEES AND USE
FEES:
Corrie: At this time I will open the public hearing and invite anybody from the public that
would like to testify on the sewer and water connection fees and use fees. Seeing none,
Council discussion? Hearing none I will close the public hearing. I guess we have two
ordinances.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I would move that we adopt Ordinance #742 with the suspension of
the rules.
Bentley: Second
Corrie: I guess I need to read it first and which version do you want? ORDINANCE #742,
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MERIDIAN REPEALING. SECTION 7-533A, SECTION
7-5338 AND SECTION 7-535 OF THE REVISED AND COMPILED ORDINANCES OF
THE CITY OF MERIDIAN RE-ENACTING SAID SECTIONS OF THE REVISED AND
COMPILED ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF MERIDIAN AND PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE. Mr. Morrow 1 will entertain that motion now. Which one do you want
to approve, A or B, A has the second paragraph in there for (inaudible) and B does not
have that section. A is for any purposes has the second paragraph under 7-535 (inaudible)
existing public sewer adjacent to their property and No. 742 B does not have that
paragraph. If I am correct Mr. Counselor those are exactly the same except for that.
Crookston: That is correct.
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Morrow: I guess for my purposes what are the pluses and minuses of having it in and out.
Why do we have two versions here?
Smith: I believe as I recall that the version A is how the existing ordinance reads. There
is a provision that adjacent properties are to be assessed the connection fee that is in the
ordinance if they have not participated in construction of the sewer line. So, the A version
would be as the ordinance exists. The 6 version would be a deletion of that provision from
the existing ordinance.
Morrow: I understand that the question is why would we be deleting that portion?
Smith: Why would it be deleted, I don't know. I think that it should be left as it exists in the
ordinance, I don't know why it was
Morrow: What I am trying to find out here is why do we have two versions of the
ordinance.
Smith: I don't know Councilman.
Crookston: It has been a while since I drafted this ordinance but as I recall the section that
has the additional provision in it excuse me the additional paragraph on Section 7-535 I
think that Mr. Freckleton discussed this and we desired to take that out because it is in the
ordinance now as I am recalling.
Smith: Yes it is.
Bentley: Why would we want to take it out?
Smith: Mayor and Council, perhaps it has to do with the latecomers agreements that we
have that we draft on these extensions of sewer lines.
Crookston: That is correct.
Smith: Maybe that is what the thinking was
Morrow: So let me ask you this, how does that impact this proposed ordinance or this
paragraph. I am trying to get to what the linkage is here as between the two as the reason
why we shouldn't have it in the ordinance.
Smith: I don't know that I am prepared to answer that. I wasn't aware that it was being
removed. I really don't know why it was there originally, it has been in the ordinance as
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long as I have been around here and I don't know why it has been there, why it was placed
there.
Morrow: Okay let's work, let me maybe read this thing and see if we can work our way
through so we can determine whether it needs to be there or not be there. It says for
properties that have an existing public sewer adjacent to their property without direct cost
to the present owner or former owners of the property there shall be a additional
connection charge of $1580 for each equivalent connection or fraction thereof as may be
assigned to the property by the City. Does that mean that you have two lots side by side
and that Lot A has extended the sewer line to his property and through his property to the
property line. That Lot owner B cannot connect to the end of that line without paying extra
fees because he has not extended the line across the full frontage of his lot is that what
that is trying to say?
Smith: The way I read it Councilman Morrow, is if you have two properties A and B side
by side and A develops and in the process of developing extends the sewer across the
front adjacent to the frontage of Lot B and then B develops B would then pay the standard
connection fee plus an additional connection fee same amount as specified in this
paragraph. So that Lot B would pay $3160 for the privilege for connecting to a sewer line
that was constructed by others.
Morrow: But in your example did you not say that Lot owner B also extended the sewer
line across the front of his property or you said he hooked on to where Lot A left it.
Smith: Lot A extended the sewer line to their lot and in doing so built the sewer in front
along the frontage of Lot B which gave Lot B access to the sewer.
Morrow: So you are saying that Lot B is actually closer to the original sewer than A was
and Lot A extended it all the way through.
Smith: Yes correct
Morrow: In our current late comers agreement really what it amounts to is Lot B is
supposed to pay the cost of the extension of the sewer service from point of pick up to Lot
A is that correct?
Smith: Well under late comers agreements Lot would have to pay their proportional share
of the construction of that extension.
Morrow: Which may be more or less than what this is indicating.
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Smith: ,Right and I assume that was the thinking that Bruce Freckleton and Wayne had
when they deleted that paragraph that any additional cost to a property no involved in the
extension of a sewer line would be recovered through a late comers agreement which is
now a typical process. I don't think that the late comers agreement was in the ordinance
at the time that this paragraph was in the ordinance. I think the late comers agreement
came along at a later date. This paragraph was not removed from the ordinance when the
late comers provision was added to the ordinance.
Crookston: That is correct. (Inaudible) recalling what Bruce Freckleton and I did discuss
was, that because of the late comers agreements that we are doing now that there was no
need for this paragraph in the ordinance.
Smith: I would agree with that.
Morrow: And I also would from the standpoint that is makes sense (inaudible) arbitrary
number that may or may not be relevant to the actual cost. So I would
Rountree: Mr. Mayor, just one point to that as soon as we delete it from the ordinance
there will be one of those situations that you rusty minds that wasn't subject to late comers
fee that this might be applicable to. We are receiving numerous requests in and about the
City where we are asking for hook ups that probably should have been done years ago.
Smith: I agree
Rountree: And there is no way to assess a late comers fee to them.
Smith: Right, a lot of those extensions that were done years ago were constructed with a
consortium of funds. Typically federal, state maybe some local money and the recovery
of those funds at this point I think the more important thing would be to fairly assess the
property that is connecting to the sewer for the use of the waste water plant, the capacity
from the waste water plant. Rather than the cost of the line that may have been
constructed with public matching funds. Not necessarily a private developer expenditure.
Morrow: So your thought is, if I am understanding you that you leave that in the ordinance.
Smith: Well I don't think so, I think it would be, it is an arbitrary number as it exists or as
it is proposed and what are we trying to recover from the person connecting to the line.
It is a cost that occurred years ago and I don't know how much of the funds were local
funds, how much were state, how much were federal. My inclination is to pay or have the
person connecting to the sewer pay for the cost of treating their waste at the waste water
treatment plant. And the cost of the line is there, it has been years and years in the ground
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siting some of these places that are adjacent to an older sewer line.
Morrow: And to take that one step further then by, if it is a single family residence that is
one hook up fee, if it is some sort of small commercial usage then it is assigned based on
equivalency and so on and so forth so that self adjusts.
Smith: Right.
Rountree: With Gary's answer I would be not willing but see reason to take it out.
Morrow: So we would go with #742 B. I will withdraw the motion and then make the motion
for the correct ordinance.
Corrie: Second withdraw.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor I would move that we adopt Ordinance #742 B with the suspension of
the rules.
Bentley: Second
Corrie: Motion made that we accept Ordinance #742 with the suspension of rules, which
is the one deleting that second paragraph under 7-535, any further discussion? Roll call
vote.
ROLL CALL VOTE: Morrow -Yea, Bentley -Yea, Rountree -Yea, Tolsma -Yea
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Morrow: Let me ask this before you read ordinance #743, is there an A and B to this?
Corrie: I don't think so. Ordinance #743, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MERIDIAN
REPEALING SECTION 5-1196, SECTION 5-.131 OF THE REVISED AND COMPILED
ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF MERIDIAN, RE-ENACTING SAID SECTION 5-1196,
SECTION 5-131 OF THE REVISED AND COMPILED ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF
MERIDIAN AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Is there anyone from the audience
that would like to have Ordinance #743 read in its entirety? Hearing none
Bentley: Mr. Mayor, I move that the City of Meridian adopt Ordinance #743 with the
suspension of rules.
Rountree: Second
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Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Bentley, second by Mr. Rountree that Ordinance #743 be
approved with the suspension of rules, roll call vote.
ROLL CALL VOTE: Morrow -Yea, Bentley -Yea, Rountree -Yea, Tolsma -Yea
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #12: REQUEST FOR ONE YEAR TIME EXTENSION FOR FINAL PLAT OF
WATERBURY PARK SUBDIVISION NO. 5 BY CAPITAL DEVELOPMENT:
Corrie: Anyone here from Waterbury Park, a representative? Do you have the letter
Shari?
Morrow: It is part of our packet, Mr. Mayor I would move that we grant the extension for
one year for the recording of the final plat for Waterbury Park Subdivision No, 5 from the
anniversary date.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree to approve the final time plat
according to the request and as stated in the motion, all those, any discussion? All those
in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #14: MERIDIAN PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH: REQUEST HOOK UP TO CITY
WATER AND SEWER:
Corrie: Is there a representative from the Meridian Presbyterian Church here?
Hoffman: My name is Paul Hoffman, Mayor and Council, I was biting my tongue when we
were talking about the additional fees for the water and sewer. Have you folks, you
gentlemen to see the letter and plan?
Berg: It was in their packets.
Hoffman: I apologize, I wanted to have the whole site in the package that you received.
It is not quite all there, about 9/10 of it is. I brought a copy here. I visited with the staff
here about the project. It is not a cut and dry kind of deal. There are many considerations
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going on. One of those being the City is going to embark on the improvement of its water
system across the street. That has a direct impact on what we are going to do or what we
might do. I visited with the staff about what that might be and I have outlined a proposal
here, a number of items that I think frame the discussion that we talked about and would
be interested to hear your comments or ideas about that. I do want to say too that I got
a little lost here on the discussion about the fees for the late comer fees. Did I hear that
those are not going to be in effect any more.
Corrie: They will be in effect it was an earlier ordinance, we just did some house keeping
on it, they are still in effect.
Hoffman: Well one of the issues, one of the items with this particular property is of course
the facility, well that the property is large and it ultimately might include several facilities
and we are attempting to improve just a portion of that parcel. And so we would propose
then that for instance the late comers fees we would pay for just a portion of those fees
since they are assessed against acreage. And then to pay the additional fees later when
more of the site is developed. I don't have an exact science or suggestion for you as to
how to do that other than to suggest that the phasing that is represented on the plan you
have.
Crookston: Mr. Hoffman, under our what has been referenced as our late comers fees that
is where the individual such as the Presbyterian Church pays for all costs and then they
request a latecomers agreement be entered into with the City and it is determined how
much of that cost is for the actual development of the applicant's property then if it can
provide service to other property then the people, the developer, the user of that other
property pays its portion of the total cost but the developer pays it all upfront.
Hoffman: I think I understand what you are saying, if you read this letter one of the items
one of the issues that I addressed is that the main in Meridian Road is fairly shallow at that
point, it is about 9 1 /2 feet. If we were to extend the main down Ustick Road by the time
it got to the end of the property it is only going to be 1.7 feet deep. Because the ground
gets shallower to the west and so by the time ,you get out there there is nobody else is
going to 6e able to hook up to that line. What we are proposing is to run the sewer, well
it becomes a main and I don't know whether this becomes dedicated or not. But a sewer
extensign, a large lateral down the middle of the site, the church's site and then future
facilities would hook onto that main. But in effect nobody else would hook up onto that
sewer. Did you get a copy of that letter (inaudible).
Smith: Mayor and Council I guess there are two issues, one is sewer and one is water
obviously. The fact that we have a park proposed regional park on the north side of Ustick
Road I guess that impacts what or has an effect on what is decided on the sewer. Right
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now we don't know what is going to happen that park. About the only thing that we know
is-that we want to construct a water storage tank, a well and a pump station for the water
system near the southeast corner of the park site which is the northwest corner of Ustick
and Meridian intersection. We don't know exactly where at this point. But Mr. Hoffman is
correct, if the sewer begins to daylight toward the west boundary of their property then
there is no advantage to extend it any farther than a depth that could be utilized either to
the south or to the north. I don't know what their plans are for building other than what they
have shown on the sketch that they have submitted that Mr. Hoffman submitted. It shows
their building presently to be located to the center of the property kind of if you take into
account the house that is on the corner. So, if sewer was constructed in Ustick Road at
this point it could serve the building that the church is proposing to construct. If the sewer
doesn't serve anything else to the west of at this point we don't know what it could serve
to the north then sewer service could be provided as he has proposed from Meridian
Road. I guess one caveat here is with the development of the park site obviously there
are going to be some restroom facilities constructed. But we don't know where and
obviously the church is looking at the least expensive alternative. Putting a sewer through
unimproved ground is considerably less cost than digging up the asphalt in Ustick Road.
Council and my position has always been in the past that when a property develops they
extend the sewer and the water to and through their property which includes the frontage
roads. And generally well not generally but always in the past those extensions have been
made with the realization that the extensions can be continued to serve other property.
I this case I haven't chased the numbers out but from what Mr. Hoffman is saying the
sewer is not going to go any farther west in Ustick Road. If it is only a foot and a half deep
at their west property line it is obviously not going to make it that far because that is too
shallow for any use. Somewhere between their west property line and their east property
line or Meridian Road the sewer is going to dead end. We have used a minimum four foot
cover from finish grade to top of pipe for the sewer line. That is as shallow as we run the
sewer so we can protect them.
Hoffman: One of the benefits to coming into the center of the property is that is an existing
manhole and an existing 8 inch lateral that was paid for by the previous owner. So there
wouldn't be any, we wouldn't be digging into Meridian road and tearing up the street.
Future development we would be able to connect at least on that parcel we would be able
to connect directly to that sewer line without going out into Ustick Road.
Smith: That is a correct statement, the only question mark is what happens to the
development of the City park. How will any sanitary facilities in the park be served with
sewer. That is a big question now. I can't even tell you on the topography of the ground
other than park side other than I believe it irrigates from the east to the west from an
irrigation ditch that parallels Meridian Road and irrigates west. So, all you can say is that
it is following the gradient of Ustick Road from Meridian west drainage. If you bring a
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sewer out of that property straight south then you are not basically your ground level is
staying at the same elevation and your sewer line is coming up of course. That is it is
coming up from Ustick Road not the other way around. So you can only, I don't know how
far you can go even with the four foot, well you couldn't go very far with a four foot cover
in Ustick Road. Because you are losing a foot and a half every four hundred feet on an
8 inch sewer line. So I guess all of this rambling it is really a question as to whether the
installation of an 8 inch sewer line in Ustick Road is going to do anybody any good.
Morrow: What is it going to take to find that out?
Smith: Well we need to know what we are doing with that park site.
Morrow: Well I guess part of the answer to that would be is we know we are going to go
into the corner with the water tank facility and how far west on Ustick Road does it take
to get around that facility. How much lineal footage does that water tank system cover in
that comer. When you get to the edge of that water tank are we past the point where the
four foot cover becomes something less. If we are then there is no capability of hooking
onto it anyway.
Smith: I can't answer that question Councilman Morrow because I don't know where the
water tank is going to be.
Morrow: Well I guess for argument sake one could make the assumption that under the
scenario that you put it as close to the comer of the property as possible so then what you
have is you have the 45 foot setback and then the road right of way (inaudible) you have
200 feet that it takes for this and all of a sudden that puts you down stream on Ustick Road
for example 300 feet and at the 300 foot point what is the depth of the sewer line going to
be.
Smith: Well it is going to be deeper at that length yes. We are starting at 9 feet at Ustick
and Meridian Road and 400 feet you lose a foot and a half so you are 7 1/2 feet. It is
running at about 3/10% so in 400 feet that is 1.2 feet so you are down to 6.3 feet. You go
another 400 feet and you would lose 2.5 feet so you are at 4 feet. So you are probably
going to get 800 feet from Meridian Road and you are going to be at 4 feet of cover. But,
then going north into the park site you are not going to get very far before you are out of
the ground at that depth.
Morrow: That is the other part of the issue. You are now down the road 800 feet, and let's
for argument sake, 400 feet of that is consumed of water tank so that leaves you 400 feet
to turn north and the question is how far north can you turn in to get to a facility and
service a facility and maybe that is what dictates where you put your restrooms.
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Smith: Right
Hoffman: Would it, let me just float an idea here, would it make sense to dedicate a north
south sewer easement from the lateral that I am proposing the 8 inch line to Ustick Road
so that you could connect (inaudible) and run a line down to that lateral.
Smith: I don't know that you are gaining, I don't know how much you would gain by doing
that with the lay of the land.
Hoffman: I don't know if you gain anything but it might make things a little less messy.
Smith: We could certainly look at that. We could do some additional engineering on it to
see, we don't have a lot of ground elevations north of Ustick, the aerial photography that
was (inaudible) 1976 only went several hundred, not even several hundred feet, maybe
100 feet north of Ustick as kind of an over spray on Ustick Road. So we don't have a lot
of ground level information. But we can look at it with what information we do have and
try to make some kind of educated guess as to how the sewer should best be installed to
serve the property north of Ustick our park site property.
Morrow: It looks to me like and correct me if I am wrong but in order for us to have any kind
of action tonight we need to resolve some of those issues do we not and get the benefit
of feedback because I don't know that I can. I am not sure that I have a total grasp of what
the situation is to be able to make a decision on the request for the hook up to the City
sewer and water. If part of the ordinance, the to and through issue, how much of that
needs to be set aside for practicality sake and so on and so forth.
Rountree: I am in the same spot, I would need some additional information before I could
make a reasonable decision about the to and through issue and what conditions would be
placed on the granting of sewer and water. Though I am not opposed to doing them I just
want to know the information.
Tolsma: How pressed for time are you on this?
Hoffman: Actually I don't believe that would be a problem, I think if I am hearing you that
the per say hooking to sewer and water is not objectionable to the (End of Tape)
Morrow: (Inaudible)
Hoffman: It is not contiguous. We don't have any objection to doing that and would agree
to do so when the ground becomes contiguous.
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Rountree: That might be for our benefit.
Morrow: Is there not a little subdivision across the street?
Smith: Yes there is.
Hoffman: There is one to the east across Meridian Road.
Smith: It was approved for connection to the sewer system and it is not in the City.
(Inaudible)
Hoffman: I find it interesting that the sewer treatment plant is relatively close to the site due
west and I don't know what the future holds but it is going a long way to get there
apparently.
(Inaudible)
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, (Inaudible) City Engineer Smith and Mr. Hoffman to work out the
details (inaudible) for this proposal.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree that this be tabled to October
1 meeting for further study by staff and the details of the sewer problems, any further
discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
ITEM #15: DEDICATION OF STREET RIGHT OF WAY -NORTH HICKORY AVENUE TO
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT:
Corrie: Council, any questions or is there anyone here (inaudible). We have a letter from
ACHD and a right of way deed.
Rountree: Maybe Shari or Gary could give us a little update on this.
Smith: Thank you Councilman, Mayor and Council this is a little piece of property that the
City of Meridian owns that was dedicated to them as part of Well No. 16 site. This
dedication was to provide us access from the end of the existing public right of way in the
Treasure Valley Business Center No. 1. It is approximately 30 feet wide and it is 60 feet
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north and south. The property to the south which surrounds Well site No. 16 is now being
developed by the developers of phase 2 of the industrial park and it is called Gemtone
Center No. 2. Hickory Avenue as it is extended will cover or be above over the top of this
30 by 60 piece that the City owns from a previous dedication of the property owner. So we
need to dedicate this to the Highway District so that Hickory can be extended as a full
width public street.
Bentley: Mr. Mayor, you said this is on the Well site No. 16, we still have access?
Smith: Yes, we will still have access. As this site is developed Gemtone Center No. 2
Hickory will be extended and we will still have access off of Hickory. I guess that would
be though you raise a very good question, that would be or maybe that should be a
condition of our dedication that it does become and that the dedication of this parcel of
ground is subject to it becoming a public right of way, I don't know if that is appropriate.
But somehow we need to be sure we don't saw the limb off behind us here. We would
have access from two different directions if Gemtone Center No. 2 is recorded, if they
proceed and record the subdivision. Right now we have access from Hickory Avenue.
Cowie: You can dedicate it but you want to make sure you have it as a public right of way.
Any further discussion from Council? I will entertain a motion for the dedication.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I would move that the Council approve the right of way deed to be
executed for the dedication of the subject right of way to ACRD on the condition that right
of way become public right of way to guarantee us access to our well site.
Bentley: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Bentley on the dedication to ACHD the
street right of way deed subject to the provisions of the motion. Any further discussion?
All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Morrow: I have a follow up (inaudible) I noticed on the right of way deed the way that has
been drawn it is to be signed by Council President and attested by City Clerk my question
is why is it done that way the (inaudible) Mayor to sign and the Clerk to attest. I don't have
a problem with I guess the Council President signing (inaudible)
Smith: I don't think there is a problem with just striking through that and making the Mayor
as a signatory to it based on the Council's actions.
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Morrow: Okay then, my motion would be that we authorize the Mayor to sign and the Clerk
to attest the right of way deed.
Bentley: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Bentley to have the Mayor to sign and
the City Clerk to attest, any further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
ITEM #16: DON HOWELL: CHERRY LANE #1 AND #2 ENTRANCE LID PROPOSAL:
Corrie: Don?
Howell: Mayor and Council we propose to establish and LID to establish basically a new
fence line on the south property line for Cherry Lane Village No. 1.
Corrie: These are petitions, all the same just different signatures.
Howell: Those are just, yes the same petition, those are the ones that have the signatures
on it. I have others if you would like (inaudible)There would be 25 property owners
participating in the LID.
Corrie: I have a question Don, once it is in and is each property owner required to stain
it or keep it stained is that correct. Is there a perpetual money here that will (inaudible).
Howell: There is nothing set fprth perpetual, the situation we have out there, I am sure you
are all aware of it. The subdivision established before there were restrictive covenants
therefore there are a lot of things that would fall into the lot of the developer because it
was established so tong ago falls to the property owners. So it would remain to the
property owners hopefully and traditionally in the past the interior homeowners association
which is now defunct participated in supporting and helping to maintain some of that
somewhat. We hoped by our taking initiative to establish this LID that we can resurrect
Cherry Lane Village No. 1 and 2 homeowners association possibly with the option of
making it mandatory. And then hopefully establish the basis for support for the perpetual
maintenance of the fence line and the south outside areas and the entrances.
Rountree: Does the boundary that you have established include all of the lots on Cherry
Lane?
Howell: No it does not, it purposely excludes two lots, there is one lot that is on the east
end, that is the Pollards and they have already planted grass and put a sprinkler system
in, they are exemplary as far as taking care of their own properties and doing things. So
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there is no use in doing anything there. The other lot that is excluded is the Brown's and
they are about not quite in the middle of the subdivision, they are adjacent to the concrete
culverts and so forth that were established, the head gates right in the middle. During the
course of the construction their fence was torn down and since then they have already
built their fence. So they would be excluded.
Rountree: And that fence would be an example of what you are proposing to do.
Howell: With the exception of the stain, possibly, their's is one by four. What we would like
to do is to have something in appearance that looks similar to the fence across the street
to the south of us. With the exception of with the perpetual problem we have had with the
fence posts (inaudible) it to have metal fence posts set in concrete. We think it would be
less maintenance and hold up better. It would still appear the same from Cherry Lane.
Rountree: All all of the homeowners in agreement?
Howell: The biggest majority, we have one homeowner who is dissenting I think it would
be safe to say and there are others who's signatures I do not have. The property is rental
property and most of those are in agreement at least in principle, but I haven't been able
to procure their signatures because they are not locally available. And then the other one
that refrained from signing is because they are close to selling their property and their
realtor advised them that it would, but their realtor is aware of it and they are presenting
to the potential buyers. But we do have at hand exceeding the 60% required to establish
the LID as I understand the minimum it takes to establish it.
Cowie: I haven't done the math here Don but the $17.50 per linear foot of fence would that
(inaudible) still cover the rock and the fabric and all of that.
Howell: We believe so, we think that is a liberal estimate. We did some calculations, it was
our original understanding that the LID was initiated and administrated by the homeowners
association. Since then we have come to understand that it is through the City. So we
have done some extensive, getting some bids and some estimates and we feel this is a
realistic amount that we could live with. If it, no one wanted to just sign a blank check er
say but (inaudible) a workable (inaudible).
Cowie: Any questions from Council?
Rountree: Would you, you are proposing to move the fence closer to Cherry Lane?
Howell: Yes we are willing to move the fence line to the south to the maximum amount
allowed by the Nampa Meridian Irrigation District. We have been in negotiations and
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made a presentation to them. Their original conditions we didn't find satisfactory. We made
a proposal and tried to arrange for modification of what their standards are and we were
unsuccessful in doing so. We are going to go ahead and adhere to their standards which
is basically 2 foot north of the furthest north concrete clean out. Very early along in the
development of this as we were all being approached about negotiations about selling our
properties and Ada County coming through there, we were led to believe that we could
move our fences within 3 foot of that sidewalk. So we were quite disappointed to lose 27
feet of our property that we had been led to believe that we would have.
Corrie: If you put that fence five feet back that would still be, that would be over their
easement. (Inaudible)
Howell: That was also one of our concerns.
Corrie: They are not the easiest to work with I understand. Any further questions?
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I guess my question would be an explanation from Counselor what the
procedure would be from this point out or this point on.
Crookston: I haven't seen the document other than the copy, do you have the 60%
signatures?
(Inaudible)
Crookston: And we have that document?
Berg: I have 15 of 25 lots.
(Inaudible)
Howell: (Inaudible}
Crookston: We would need to verify that the people who have signed are an owner of that
lot and then it is up to the Council whether they want to enact an LID. You don't have to
act tonight because tonight you wouldn't have 60%, I think that it would be wise to set a
date when you have to have 6Q%. tt doesn't sound like it is going to be any problem I
don't think however you need to set it back as far as or as early as the next City Council
meeting. When the Council approves of the LID it is the City who contacts or let's any
contracts for the building of the fence in advertising for submittal of those bids you need
to set forth what type of fence you want built, the proposal is stated in the petition, the
Council wants to go with that, that is fine. That is how it has been proposed. Once the LID
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is set up you would go ahead and submit, have an advertisement for bids advertised and
once you get the bids you submit it to the low developer or low contractor just as any other
bid. The contract is entered into between the LID which is a body if you will of the City.
You need to have a body set up that administers the assessments. There is a question as
to whether or not as I read the document as to whether or not it is going to be annual or
monthly. It is my understanding that some of the people out there desire to have it be
monthly. Is that correct Don? That however is a decision that must be made by the
Council. Once the LID is set up the City would administer it. A fee must be established by
the City as to the amount of money for doing the LID, those types of things. The first thing
is to determine the people and that there are the correct number of people who have
signed to make the 60%. A City does have the authority to create an LID without a petition
but that is totally up the Council.
Rountree: Mr. Mayor, question as to process, is it just a matter of approval or denial by the
Council. If approved it is not subject to public hearing, is the approval an ordinance, is the
approval a resolution, is the approval, what kind of document?
Crookston: I am trying to think back to when we created the Downtown LID, I didn't recall
that we had an ordinance but it has been some time ago.
Rountree: Just an LID and approval.
Crookston: There either must be an ordinance or a resolution passed.
Morrow: I think that there is an LID ordinance.
Crookston: I think there is.
Morrow: I think that where we go from tonight is (inaudible) to verify ownership and
signature count that can occur over the next couple of weeks and then we deal with the
next step at our October 1st meeting.
Rountree: Which would be action on the LID and development of the specifics?
Crookston: At the October 1 meeting I think that it just needs to be decided as to whether
or not they have met the 60% requirement then you can instruct me to draft any necessary
ordinances. I have just to inform the Council, I have dealt with Mr. Howell and the
committee, I don't represent them but I need to inform you that I have dealt with them
because I live in Cherry Lane Village No. 2. I think it is in the best interest of the
Subdivisions to have this fence, my opinion it would be much nicer to have a nicer fence
but if that is what the people, how they want to spend the money and they are willing to
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Corrie: I would think it would be the City Clerk but
(Inaudible)
ITEM #17: DEPARTMENT REPORTS:
Corrie: Chief?
Gordon: Nothing Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Shari?
Stiles: Mr. Mayor and Council at the last meeting Salmon Rapids No. 2 requested an
extension, they had previously been given an extension so they were denied their request.
However when they got their previous extension they had asked for a six month extension
and they were only given six months from the date of the City Council meeting which was
two months earlier, they made their request 2 months before their time was up. I think in
all fairness if you could grant them the six month extension to January 18, 1997 to record
that plat. The minutes did reflect that November 16 that was when the extension was to
but that was only a four month extension.
Morrow: (Inaudible)
Stiles: Salmon Rapids No. 2
Rountree: And their request was for 6 months.
Stiles: Yes
Rountree: So moved
Tolsma: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Rountree, second by Mr. Tolsma to extend it to January 18,
1997 rather than November 16, 1996, all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Stiles: Thank you, the next item was something that came up today, a gentleman in a
wheelchair asked to speak to me. Apparently he had been waiting outside the front doors
for about 5 minutes. He said normally he doesn't have any problem because someone will
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come along and help him get inside. He has limited use of his hands and has an electric
wheelchair. He doesn't have any trouble getting out but he has trouble getting in and
holding the door open and trying to maneuver his wheelchair at the same time. And asked
that the City Council consider putting in an electric door and I know we have had $10,000
in the budget for at least the last couple of years and to my knowledge none of that has
been used I wondered if we could use that for one of the doors. I believe Will has looked
at some of those costs a long time ago. Even if the City moved out of the City Hall and
sold it to anyone else it would still serve to meet their requirements for handicapped
accessibility.
Morrow: I guess my question there would be is really why haven't we done it. Typically in
a governmental building on a four bay deal you will see one bay that has the push button
for the automatic open. Have we had the money budgeted in the past for that to happen?
Corrie: I don't recall.
Stiles: I believe there is a $10,000 item that is just for handicapped accessibility
improvements. I had requested that it be carried over but I couldn't tell you for sure if that
was in or not.
Berg: Well I did talk to you about that price tag this year at one of the work shops, I had
gotten some ball park figures for what it would take to do one automatic door, push button.
But then if he doesn't have use of hands he couldn't use the push button.
Stiles: That is what he would like to do.
Berg: Push button?
Stiles: He could push something.
Berg: But I did (inaudible) pushed away.
Corrie: Maybe we can pull it back.
Berg: We can't
Morrow: We can't for Fiscal 96 or Fiscal 97?
Berg: We can't for 97 I wilt look for ~. I may be able to at least order the parts and have
them here.
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Morrow: Well I think the simple fact that you order constitutes (inaudible) can be charged
against the appropriation for 96.
Berg: That is your opinion yes, I am not sure that the auditor agrees totally with that.
Seriously because it is completion a lot of the times is what she is concerned with.
Morrow: We made that that transfer because of the golf course issues even though we
don't have very many bills coming due until after the 10th of the month in October we had
to take it in ~ (inaudible) but there was a majority completed. (Inaudible)
Berg: Well they bill for what they get done.
Morrow: But in the case that I was talking to Joe about (inaudible) she indicated that
because the work that they were billing for was done in 96 that it would be charged off
against 96.
Berg: That is correct, most of our bills that we get that are payable October 15 are from 96
fiscal years.
Morrow: So the question is in terms of this if you can buy the parts and pieces prior to
October 1.
Berg: That is what my thing is, at least I can get the materials (inaudible).
Crookston: I believe what counts is if you have a contract, it doesn't have to be a written
contract, if you have a verbal agreement it is a contract, the contract is entered into the
fiscal year, let's say the 96 fiscal year, it is going to apply to (inaudible)
Corrie: If we have that then we will do it that way and you make it legal then counselor.
Crookston: I have noway to make it legal you guys need to either or you need to authorize
Witl to enter into a contract.
Morrow: I move that we authorize the City Clerk to research the issue about handicapped
accessibility by virtue of push button at the front doer and enter into a contract to provide
services for that if the funds are available.
Tolsma: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Tolsma, any further discussion? All
those in favor? Opposed?
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MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Corrie: Mr. Smith?
Smith: Mr. Mayor and Council I have a couple of issues. The first one is a professional
services agreement for contract documents to purchase an emergency generator for the
waste water treatment plant through the Civil Survey Consultants Inc, engineering group
in Meridian. The amount for that agreement is not to exceed $10,436 without prior
approval of the owner for the design services portion. They are estimating a fee of
approximately $3059 for construction services. This would be .documents for bidding and
purchasing of an emergency generator for the waste water treatment plant to replace the
existing one which is too small in size. A transfer of the existing generator out there to well
site No. 14 to provide power generation at that well and booster pump station. Civil
Survey Consultants has done work for us in the past and they have done an excellent job.
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I would move that we authorize the contract with Civil Survey
Consultants to provide design services for the emergency generator in the amount of
$10,436 with the corresponding fee of $3059 for total contract price of $13,495.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree, for the Civil Survey
Consultant, any further comments or discussion? All those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Smith: Thank you Mayor and Council, the second item that I have concerns a quote to
rough grade Tully Park from Cloverdale Nursery. The staking has been done today,
finished, and these folks are scheduled to move in tomorrow with your approval. They are
estimating ten days of ten hour days for the scraper. Eight days at 10 hours a day for a
(inaudible) which I think is a crawler tractor. And dust control if needed for the adjacent
subdivisions. They are estimating removing some material which may or may not be
needed and a loader to load the end dump to remove the material. Their total bid is
$20,500 of which $2500 is bid for dust control, $2000 is bid for hauling off excess material.
So those two $4500 approximately may not be needed but it is part of this bid.
Tully: The excess material they are hauling, is that those logs of lumber and fencing that
is down there around the bottom?
Smith: I don't know.
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Tolsma: (Inaudible)
Smith: Well they have ten loads figured here.
Tolsma: (Inaudible)
Smith: I will check with Brad, Brad my assistant has been in contact with Cloverdale, I
really don't know what they have in mind there.
Tolsma: (Inaudible)
Smith: We definitely need to get rid of that (inaudible) I will check with Brad in the morning
and (inaudible)
Tolsma: (Inaudible) and put the gravel fill on top of that and (inaudible)
Smith: Does anybody have any questions on this or concerns?
Rountree: I guess the only concern was to make sure they graded it properly in terms of
not putting all of the waste material on one site where you can (inaudible).
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I move that we authorize the entering into the. contract with Cloverdale
(End of Tape) Mr. Mayor I would move that we authorize the City to enter into a contract
with Cloverdale Nursery for the grading of Tully Park not to exceed $20,500.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow,. second by Mr. Rountree, any further discussion, all
those in favor of the motion as stated? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
Corrie: Mr. Crookston?
Crookston: Mr. Gordon, have you heard any news?
Gordon: No sir I have not.
Corrie: Mr. Morrow?
Morrow: A couple of items, one is we need to as part of our issues with respect to the golf
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course donations of the property from Boise Research Center, David Turnbull, we need
to send them letters acknowledging their donation which also will work in terms of getting
them their necessary tax credits. I have Joann Butler a partial body that apparently meets
those needs. I would like to have the Council instruct the City Attorney to create the letters
embodying the language here that serves that need and then we sign the letters
(inaudible) Mr. Turnbull. Do you have copies of this?
Crookston: I do and I have questions on the letter, I don't have questions on the
documents I have a question on the letter and why they are asking for this.
Morrow: Why would they be asking for that? Well we would have to acknowledge the
donation of the gift to him so that he can utilize that donation as a tax off set or tax
deduction or whatever format they need. He has to have something from the City that
acknowledges the donation.
Crookston: Well, there is just some knowledge in there that I don't know that is correct
because it talks about them basically deeding it to the City without any request or
involvement of the city when in my memory Turnbull was involved in desiring the Golf
Course so that, I don't know the exact reasons, but I assume he wanted the golf course
there so that the value of his lots would improve. The letters indicate that he just gave it
to them because he wanted to give it to them.
Morrow: I think in the beginning Wayne his desire (inaudible) and not have that. The issue
with the second nine holes of the golf course (inaudible) City stuck to from the original
agreements back in the late 70's. So when the subsequent land owners (inaudible) zoned
and annexed to the City to develop the dirt it was with the condition that those lands would
become part of the golf course.
Crookston: I just raise it as a question.
Rountree: Does his motive have any bearing on the gift and could the letter be moot on
that subject just recognizing the gift, not the reason why.
Crookston: It is not my decision I am just raising the question. Didn't I give you a
memorandum on that Bob?
Corrie: Yes, and you asked me abut if I would discuss this with Grant Kingsford. They did
have conversations in reference to the golf course and it was to be a gift to the City.
However I guess we need, however you want to word it but I think it as Mr. Morrow said
it is for tax purposes. How you word it is up to the Council. They did, there was a
discussion between Turnbull and then Mayor Kingsford as far as the Golf Course being
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on that property. But I think what he is asking for here is for tax purposes. That is what
they have asked me and in fact I believe they even mention it here in Council that they
would like to have a letter to that effect.
Morrow: I think that was part of the conversation and in Council chambers we are dealing
here with the deed of gift (inaudible). What they have seat us is the verbiage that they
need to have incorporated within the acknowledgement letter if I have understood that
correctly.
Rountree: The only thing this letter says is that the donation was not a requirement of the
City.
(Inaudible)
Corrie: It was a requirement of the City (inaudible) then or now does that make the timing.
Morrow: Well the original commitment on their part was 2 or 3 years ago, but the
conversations went on between Mayor Kingsford and Mr. Turnbull.
Corrie: I guess my question would be, would we be able to say that statement in there?
Morrow: Let me take these to Mayor Kingsford and have him review those and. see if those
are an acceptable format with him because I was not part of that conversation.
Corrie: I gave it to him and it was acceptable to him, I showed it to him today or yesterday
and he had no problem with it. I guess my only question is with what Charlie said is the
Counselor is a time element here of any significance of when it was said and when it was
gifted to us. I think we can send them a letter and say that they did donate it and that was
fine. I have no problem with that because that is what we said we would do. I think that
is what we have to do, just verbiage I think is necessarily needs to be correct. Maybe it
doesn't make that much difference.
Morrow: Let me ask Grant about that timing and that verbiage because I don't know, now
that the question has been asked (inaudible). The last item would be for the strategic
planning meeting on the 24th. Tentative agenda would be comments from Bob Hailey,
presentation from the fellow from the State of Idaho Admin in terms of building. Late
comers structure that we were asked to deal with last time. The ethics in government
issues that we have been dealing with boards, commissions and committees, the Council
President issues that we will have a trial run at an ordinance. CIP presentation by Shari
and further discussions on the Aschenbrenner contract for the property at the park: Any
other items that I have over looked?
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September 17, 1996
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Corrie: I may want to add one or two items to that I don't know.
Bentley: I have one to add, Will needs to learn to bake, either that or he gets somebody
that knows how to bake.
Corrie: Mr. Bentley?
Bentley: I have one thing for Shari, you and Dean, we thank you over there for getting the
Smith's property mowed. Make sure you thank Dean for me.
Morrow: Is that the Smiths Food King site? Can I ask a question (inaudible) potential start
date for those folk, they have not started on any of their sites in Boise nor ours here, so
what do we hear?
Bentley: I know part of the problem is either the President or Vice President was
terminated that handles the stores. The new President or Vice President did nbt like his
design and so he threw out all of the design packages that this guy has done. And said
we will not build any more stores that look like that. Now the design I am told is interior
only so now they are remapping how they are going to have their inside of their stores
arranged. So I don't know if that is whole hold up.
(Inaudible)
Tolsma: (Inaudible)
Stiles: I didn't know anything about that, I do know that they submitted their building permit
application and then when the old president got fired they just yanked them all and they
are starting over.
Corrie: They hired ex-Albertsons people.
Stiles: The ex-Albertson employee is now their President and he is redoing their plans.
(Inaudible)
Corrie: Mr. Rountree?
Rountree: Nothing
Corrie: Mr. Tolsma?
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Tolsma: Nothing
Corrie: I guess I have a couple three. Two committees that need the commission
confirmed, the first one is the Parks and Recreation Commission.
Bentley: Mr. Mayor, I move that we approve the members that are listed for the Parks and
Recreation Commission.
Rountree: Second
Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Bentley, second by Mr. Rountree that we approve the Parks
and Recreation Commission as appointed, any further discussion?
Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I believe that we ought to be approving members on an individual
basis as opposed to a blanket approval.
Corrie: On the motion was that for the blanket?
Bentley: Yes it was.
Corrie: Second was that your understanding?
Rountree: Yes
Corrie: Any further discussion?
Rountree: I guess to Walt's question I have to think about it to even ask you a question,
the process just name the representation and member and vote each one is that what you
are suggesting?
Morrow: I think so because the issue is each are appointed individually each is going to
have different terms. The requirements seem to indicate and historically has been that we
appoint individual members and then vote to confirm each. The State statutes talk about
in terms of appointments confirmation by a vote of 1/2 plus one of the size of the City
Council. It would appear to me that it is-more prudent to do individual confirmations.
Rountree: I don't have any heartburn about, it just takes nine or ten votes. If there is just
one individual here that somebody has heartburn with we don't deny the whole process
over one. The other point I wanted to bring up in discussion Bob and you and just chatted
about it briefly and maybe not here, I don't have any particular problems with any of these
individuals. I would like to see the City make an effort to get a list of volunteer banks set
Meridian City Council
September 17, 1996
Page 58
up to where we can go to them and select folks for these kinds of committees and get
some representation across the City. That is one thing I heard quite a bit when I was
campaigning particular in the other side of the freeway. A lot of those people don't even
understand we are a City. There seem to be a lot of good people over there with a lot of
good .ideas. So just a point not here but I would suggest that you do that and what pointed
out to me was that though the mandatory membership of this committee shows some
diversity through the City, the general membership essentially are folks that live in the
same neighborhood probably a mile apart.
Morrow: (Inaudible) one of the issues that we will be addressing in terms of future Councils
and dividing the City into districts and having Councilman elected from each district so that
you have representation throughout the City and certainly makes that same sense in terms
of committees to have representation from throughout the City as opposed the majority of
folk coming from one geographic area. The City of Boise has a terrible problem with their
Council people because they have 4 or 5 of the six council members (inaudible). generally
one neighborhood area.
Tolsma: (Inaudible) Ada County Highway District.
Rountree: Mr. Mayor I would move to question.
Corrie: Motion is made to accept the appointments of the Mayor as stated, all those in
favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: 3 Yea, 1 Nay
Corrie: Charlie you have a copy of this?
Rountree: I have all of that and then some, I would ask Will to do some leg work on some
other City stuff and (inaudible)
Corrie: The second one is the City Tree Board, Frank Thomason has expressed a desire
that he would like to be taken off that committee and I accepted his request. So we are
down to eight on that committee without Frank's name there would Brian Jorgenson, Rick
Heller, Scott Gull, Kim Reeves, Kim Pinkston, Jack McGee, Paul Calvery and Lynn
Steadman.
Berg: I think Rick Heller indicated that he didn't really necessary want to be on the board
but also as in the capacity of Dennis Summer in the Parks and Recreation board.
Morrow: I have to ask the questions here with respect to this proposed board. I guess the
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first question is, is this a permanent board?
Cowie: How does that read, I don't think it is permanent, it is a committee board. Council
approves the formation (inaudible) requirement that it is a board. Committees composed
of 8 volunteer members serving a term of two to three years. So I think what we should do
is split this in threes (inaudible) they would serve staggered terms and then you could
appoint the members to the board as the time comes.
Morrow: I think what needs to happen here is that it takes an ordinance to create a board
and essentially the procedure ought to be the same procedure that we went through the
Parks and Recreation Commission is basically mandated by State statute and that is we
design the board, we enumerate the numbers of folk that are on it. We talk about terms
and term rotation, term limits and those types of things and. we set out an objective for
what the board is or commission or Committee that as opposed to be accomplishing, we
set the parameters there and then by basis of the creation of that ordinance encompassing
all of those issues then at that point in time as by statute we have the Mayor submit the
names of the folk for those necessary seats that has been designed (inaudible) and none
of that has been done with respect to this board or this proposed board.
Rountree: I have to agree with Walt particularly after reading this preamble to this I see
other tasks that they have identified for themselves one of which is particularly onerous
to me and that is the licensing and certification of commercial tree care service. I don't
think that they have any business doing that when they establish their own charter. So I
think it is advisable that we put together an ordinance that establishes minimum
parameters, the make up of the board. I think the individuals that have been named are
all qualified folks and I don't have any problem with any of their backgrounds or any of
them in terms of being board members. But I think we ought to have, we ought to establish
what that board is all about before we appoint them officially by action of the Council.
Morrow: Let me quote directly from 50-210 in terms of boards and commissions, it says
responsibilities, duties and authorities granted permanent boards or commissions shall be
enumerated by ordinance. All appointments to boards, commissions or committees shall
be made by the Mayor with the advice and approval of the Council. Members of boards,
commissions and committees may in a like manner be removed.
Cowie: Charlie, would you be willing to do, to work on that ordinance then with the City
Attorney. I noticed here also and you are actually correct they have Tree City standards,
ordinance to develop and administrate comprehensive community tree management
program for the care of trees and property. So you need to kind of determine (inaudible).
And then get that back to us so we can review it and (inaudible
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Morrow: That could be a topic of discussion at our strategic planning meeting this coming
a week from tonight. At that time frame all of us could review and put in ideas as to what
we want to see in a prototype or such as we have done with the other ordinances we have
created.
Rountree: And then we go from there.
Corrie: Yes.
Bentley: Mr. Mayor, I do have one thing I wanted to bring up, Chief, do you want to say
anything about the meeting we attended the other day? We got invited to HP, you all
remember the Polly Clauss incident down in California. HP was a little disturbed that
something like this happened and them and a consultant are putting together a program
for police departments that they can Internet on for making wanted posters and lost child
posters and stuff. They are putting a program together a computer system together that
interlinked we can take and press a button and have it blast out all to the police
jurisdictions all through the valley and all over. The system looks really good, the Chief
could tell you better than I could the man hours that we can (inaudible) saving. They are
trying to get donations put together to possibly get us these units for no cost: It is
something that the Chief had been discussing getting and so it could be a pretty
worthwhile deal for our police department.
Morrow: How can we help pursue that?
Bentley: We are just waiting for a phone call from one of my neighbors who is the
chairman for the 15 police departments throughout southern Idaho. As soon as he does
we will put the letter together saying it would be a benefit to us and that is all they need.
Rountree: I would suggest with (inaudible) that we have that letter prepared now. So
when we get the word it is sent.
Gordon: They requested the letter from me but i think that would be a better idea from you
folks.
Bentley: Your name needs to be on it though, you put it on your stationary and we can all
sign off.
Gordon: It is approximately $8700 worth of computer equipment, the latest scanners and
color printers.
Bentley: You take a color picture and put it on there and it comes out like your picture on
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September 17, 1996
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the flyers. They said, they showed one incident where they had a guy going around and
robbing banks and they through the computer and they had the guy picked up within two
hours. It is just phenomenal.
(Inaudible)
Corrie: Are there any further things to come before the Council? If not I will entertain a
motion to adjourn.
Rountree: So moved
Morrow: Second
Corrie: Moved and seconded to adjourn, all those in favor? Opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: All Yea
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 11:20 P.M.
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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL
AGENDA.
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TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 17, 1996 - 7:30 P.M.
CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING HELD SEPTEMBER 3, 1996: ~pr~`e.
MINUTES OF SPECIAL MEETING HELD SEPTEMBER 5, 1996: gpprad~
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TABLED SEPTEMBER 3, 1996: FINAL PLAT: CHAMBERLAIN ESTATES
NO.2 SUBDIVISION BY KEVIN HOWELL: a~op~v~
TABLED SEPTEMBER 3, 1996: AMENDED ORDINANCE ~~-GENERAL
LICENSE CONDITIONS: ~pp~v~ X74¢
RAVEN HILL SUBDIVISION: ~P~y-ov~
TABLED SEPTEMBER 3, 1996: NON-DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR
TABLED SEPTEMBER 3, 1996: REQUEST FOR A TEMPORARY
CONSTRUCTION TRAILER IN MORNING GLORY SUBDIVISION BY
PRESCOTT HOMES: ~~~ ~i7 ~f, lf~
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FINAL PLAT FOR BEDFORD PLACE SUBDIVISIO NO. 3 BY BRIGHTON
CORPORATION: 7~Zc,62e~un~i1 G9e~ /l~~f~c. ~-e~u.ef~
FINAL PLAT FOR THE LAKE AT CHERRY LANE NO. 5 SUBDIVISION BY
STEINER DEVELOPMENT: ~~/,rn~~ 6v/~i(, ~o7t.diz~itrns
FINAL PLAT FOR CROSSROADS SUBDIVISION NO.4 BY CAPITAL
DEVELOPMENT: a~pra~e cvi~/~, G>vrtdi-~-irrrz.s~
PUBLIC NEARING: REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE FOR HI-MICRO TOOL
COMPANY BY NEWBERRY ENTERPRISES:
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PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR A VACATION OF EASEMENT BY
RICHARD VALLA: GZ~o~fov.~
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PUBLIC HEAR !G: REQU ST FOR A REZONE FROM R-4 TO L-0 BY
KELLE WATKINS AND DOUG STEWART: Q,p/Jrv4<~ ,~'j~' ~dC
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PUBLIC HEARING: SEWER AND WATER CONNECTION FEES AND USE
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12. REQUEST FOR ONE YEAR TIME EXTENSION FOR FINAL PLAT OF
1NATERBURY PARK SUBDIVISION NO. 5 BY~PITAL
DEVELOPMENT: ~,or~~'~ ~,.e ~ jcc2 ~ f~ ~ ~~.-
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13. KARL & CAROL MOXLEY -CONCERNS WITH CHAMBERLAIN ESTATES
SUBDIVISION: G~i~~~{~~e~, ~or~ka~cc aL~~x~ reJe~~c6~,
14. MERIDIAN PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH: REQUEST HOOK UP TO CITY
WATER AND SEWER: ~a5/Q Gvrvhl Opt. ~'li /2~~-,.
15. DEDICATION OF STREET RIGHT-OF-WAY -NORTH HICKORY AVENUE TO
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: ~f~~~ov-e G~~~~-rccz~i~~~Cs'
16. DON HOWELL: CHERRY LANE #1 AND #2 ENTRANCE LID PROPOSAL:
17. DEPARTMENT REPORTS:
A. GARY SMITH, CITY ENGINEER:
1. ENGINEERING AGREEMENT -EMERGENCY GENERATOR:
B. MAYOR CORRIE:
1. PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION APPOINTEMENTS:
2. TREE BOARD APPOINTMENTS:
CITY OF MERIDIAN
PUBLIC MEETING SIGN-UP SHEET
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PUB~'IC MEETING SIGN-SHEET
NAME PHONE NUMBER
ORDINANCE NO. 744
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MERIDIAN REPEALING SECTION 3-101, OF
THE REVISED AND COMPILED ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF MERIDIAN AND RE-
ENACTING SAID SECTION 3-101, OF THE REVISED AND COMPILED ORDINANCES
OF THE CITY OF MERIDIAN; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
WHEREAS, the Mayor and the City Council of the City of
Meridian, State of Idaho, have concluded that. it is in the best
interest of the City to repeal and readopt Ordinance 3-101, GENERAL
LICENSE CONDITIONS contained in Title 3, Chapter 1 of the Revised
and Compiled Ordinances of the City of Meridian .with appropriate
changes to the Ordinance.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT ORDAINED BY THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL
OF THE CITY OF MERIDIAN, ADA COUNTY, IDAHO;
SECTION 1: That Section 3-101 is hereby repealed.
SECTION 2: That Section 3-101 of the Revised and Compiled
Ordinances of the City of Meridian is hereby re-enacted to read as
follows:
"3-101: GENERAL LICENSES:
(a) No person, firm, company or corporation shall
engage in, prosecute or carry on, any trade;
business, profession, or activity, within the
limits of the City of Meridian, for which a license
may be required by this Chapter, or by any
Ordinance of the. City, until he, she, or it, shall
have obtained the license required for that trade,
business, profession, or activity, all hereafter
referred to as "Activity".
(b) Every person, firm, company or corporation required
by this Chapter, or any Ordinances of the City, to
obtain a license to engage in any trade, business,
profession, or activity, for which a license is
required, shall pay to the City Treasurer the sum,
or sums, required to be paid for a license.. With
GENERAL LICENSE ORDINANCE PAGE 1
the receipt of the City Treasurer, which receipt
shall set forth the kind of activity for which a
license is desired, the Applicant shall apply to
the City Clerk for the license desired. The City
Clerk may issue a license to the party or parties
applying upon compliance, by the Applicant, with
the provisions relating to obtaining a license for
the business, trade, profession, or activity, for
which such license is desired.
(c) Every license to be taken out under and by virtue
of this Chapter, or other City Ordinance,. shall
contain and set forth the purpose, trade, business,
profession, or activity for which such license is
granted, and the name and address of the person,
persons, or entity requesting the same. Said
license shall authorize the continuance of the.
activity named therein for the term of such
license, but shall not authorize the carrying on of
said activity in any other location. If the entity
to which, or to whom, a license has been issued
changes its name or address, the activity shall
inform the City Clerk of such and request that a
new license be issued. Until the new license is
issued, the existing license shall be void.
(d) In every case where more than one activity, for
which a license is required, is carried on in the
same place by the same person or entity, the person
or entity performing the activity must obtain a
license for each activity and pay the license fee
for each activity.
(e) All licenses issued as quarterly licenses- shall
expire the last day of each quarter; viz., first
day of March, first day of June, first day of
September, first day of December.. All quarterly
licenses shall be dated and paid from the first day
of the quarter and shall extend only to the last
day of the quarter.
(f) All licenses required by this chapter shall be paid
in advance and prior to issuance.
(g) If any person, persons, or entity, shall exercise
or carry on any activity, or do any act exercising,,
carrying on, or performing the activity for which a
license is required by this. chapter, or any
Ordinance of the City, without obtaining .the
GENERAL LICENSE ORDINANCE PAGE 2
license required, or violate any of the provisions
of this chapter, or any other Ordinance requiring a
license, shall be subject to, on conviction
thereof, for every such offense, imprisonment for a
term not to exceed thirty (30) days, or to a fine
not to exceed Three Hundred Dollars ($300.00), or
to both such imprisonment and fine.
(h) In order to determine an Applicant's suitability
for a license as a:
1. City Alcohol License and Permits
2. Peddlers and Solicitors
3. Itinerant Merchants
4. Precious Metals Dealers
5. Pawn Brokers
6. Escort Business Operators and Employees
7. Private Security Service Operators and
Employees
8. All new City employees
9. .Obscenity Activists who are subject to
Licensing
10. Massage Parlor Employees, owners and
operators
11. P.A.L. Coaches and Volunteers
12. Citizens on Patrol Volunteers
13. Police Reserves
the City of Meridian shall require the Applicant to, and
the Applicant shall, furnish to the Meridian Police
Department a full set of fingerprints. The Police
Department shall perform, or have the Idaho Department of
Law Enforcement or the Federal Bureau of Investigation
perform, a criminal background investigation. The Police
Department shall, obtain the written consent of the
Applicant for the criminal background investigation and
if the Applicant does not execute the consent,' the
application shall be denied. The Meridian Police
Department shall submit the completed fingerprint card to
the Idaho Department of Law Enforcement, The Idaho
Department of Law Enforcement is authorized to submit the
fingerprints to the FBI for a national criminal history
record check. The Applicant shall pay for the costs of
the City of Meridian for all Federal Bureau of
Investigation, State of Idaho .Department of Law
Enforcement, or any other investigations requested, or
performed, by the City of Meridian."
GENERAL LICENSE ORDINANCE PAGE 3
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SECTION 3. EFFECTIVE DATE: WHEREAS, there is an emergency
therefor, which emergency is hereby declared to exist, this
Ordinance shall be in full force and effect from and after its
passage, approval and publication according to law.
PASSED AND APPROVED this 17th day of September, 1996.
CITY OF MERIDIAN
ATTEST:
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ORDINANCE NO.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MERIDIAN REPEALING SECTION 5-119
(B) AND SECTION 5-131, OF THE REVISED AND COMPILED ORDINANCES OF
THE CITY OF MERIDIAN; RE-ENACTING SAID SECTION 5-119 (B) AND 5-131,
OF THE REVISED AND COMPILED ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF MERIDIAN; AND
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
WHEREAS, the Mayor and the City Council of the City of
Meridian, State of Idaho, have concluded that it is in the best
interest of the said City to amend the monthly water user charges
and the connection charges.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT ORDAINED BY THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL
OF THE CITY OF MERIDIAN, ADA COUNTY, IDAHO;
SECTION 1: That Section 5-119 (B) is hereby repealed.
SECTION 2: That Section 5-119 (B) of the Revised and
Compiled Ordinances of the City of Meridian is hereby re-enacted to
read as follows:
"5-119 (B): To obtain municipal water service, the
owner or his agent shall make application on a special
form furnished by the City. The permit application shall
be supplemented by any plans, specifications, or other
information considered pertinent in the judgement of the
City and requested by the City. A permit and inspection
fee of twenty-five dollars ($25.00) shall be paid to the
City at the time the application is filed. The owner or
his agent shall pay a connection fee to the City at the
time the application is filed. The amount of the
connection fee will vary depending on the equivalent
residential unit (ERU) rating, or other rating
established by the City Council pursuant to a Resolution
adopted by the City Council for the user in question.
The connection fee shall be seven hundred and four
dollars ($704.00) for each ERU.
SECTION 3: That Section 5-131 is hereby repealed.
WATER CONNECTION AND MONTHLY USE RATES AMENDING ORDINANCE Page - 1
SECTION 4: That Section 5-131 of the Revised and Compiled
Ordinances of the City of Meridian is hereby re-enacted to read as
follows:
5-131: MONTHLY RATES: All owners who receive or
have the right to receive the benefit of .the City's
municipal water system shall, in return for said
benefit, pay monthly user charges as described below.
The monthly user charge shall be based on the amount of
water used and the amount of fire and health protection
provided by the municipal water supply system. .The
owners of all property within the corporate limits, which
property is within three hundred feet (300'') of the
municipal water supply system shall pay a minimum
monthly user charge. The minimum monthly user charge for
all uses shall be based on one equivalent residential
unit (ERU) which is a single family residence. All. other
water service. connections shall be pro-rated to the
number of ERU's assigned to that water user by this
Chapter, or as determined by the Board of Appraisers, and
will be computed on an individual basis . Any user having
more than one classification of use shall be charged for
the sum of classifications.
The minimum monthly user charge shall be six and forty-
eight/100 dollars ($6.48) per ERU. Any owner which has a.
total ERU rating less than one shall pay a minimum monthly
user charge for one full ERU. Any owner which has an ERU
rating greater than one shall pay a minimum monthly user
charge that is the product of that user's ERU rating
multiplied by six and 48/100 dollars ($6.48).
i . e . , A laundry having twelve (12 ) machines would have an
equivalent connection rating of:
(4.00) + (2 x .25) = 4.50
and a subsequent minimum monthly user charge of:
(4.50) x ($6.48) _ $29.16
All money extensions shall be totaled upward to the
nearest figure divisible by five cents (.05G).
Each owner will pay a monthly user fee based on the
quantityl of Each ownerdsha 1 pay S asefull compensation for the
Table II
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benefits derived for the municipal water supply system, the
minimum monthly user fee or the monthly user fee, whichever is
greater. Should an owner request a City water service line to
be disconnected, for any reason, there shall be paid to the
City a disconnection fee as set by the Water Superintendent
with approval of the City Council. The owner must request the
City to place the line back in service. There will be a
charge set by the Water Superintendent with approval of the
City Council associated with the reactivation of the existing
service line. All monthly water rates will be charged against
the property for which the City water service, line is
installed. The owner of record is liable for that amount,
which must be paid before the water service is resumed. In
the event the owner leaves an unclaimed balance in his
account, that amount shall be kept for six (6) months after
which time it shall revert to the General Fund of the City.
The owner of the property serviced shall pay for the monthly
user charge and such owner will be billed for such monthly
user charge.
CHARGES FOR WATER AND INSTALLATIONS:
The charges for water shall be as follows: In all
cases, the minimum charge shall be six and 48/100 dollars
($6.48) per month. Nonresidents shall be charged the same
monthly user charge.
In case a water meter fails to correctly register the
water used, the owner shall pay for the water on the basis of
the average reading of the meter for the previous three (3)
months. Water meter installation charges shall be as follows:
For all meters installed the charge shall be set by
the Board of Appraisers. All installed meters shall be
property of the City.
Water hookup $704.00 per ERU
PRIVATE FIRE SERVICE
Available only on the flat rate when used for fire
protection only; owner to install all lines to the
City mains at their expense. All connections to be
supervised by the City and to conform to City
requirements and City .Plumbing Codes.
Size of Line Charge per month
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~ inch $ 3.75
2 inch 7.50
3 inch 10.00
4 inch 15.00
6 inch 22.00
8 inch 28.00
10 inch 32.00
All private fire service lines shall be equipped
with a sealed gate valve or thermal automatic
openings.
Private fire service lines shall be used for fire
control only. Any other use is unlawful.-
THE FOLLOWING DESIGNATED OPERATIONS SHALL REQUIRE THE
FOLLOWING NUMBER OF HOOKUPS:
TABLE II
Equivalent Connection Determinations
No. of Equiv alent
Classification Connections
Apartment (see Multiple living unit) 1
00
Bank, per 3,000 sq. ft. ,
00
1
Bar, per 3,000 sq. ft.
Barber shop, per chair, (minimum 1.00) .
0.50
Beauty salon, per operation station
50
0
(minimum 1.00)
Bowling Alley, per lane, (minimum 1.00) .
0.20
Cafe, per customer seating capacity
(minimum to be 2.00 equivalent connections)
2.
Car dealer 00
Car wash (to be computed on an individual -
basis) --
2.00
Church
Club, private, per 3,000 sq. ft. 1.00
Condominium (see Multiple living unit) 00
1
Dentist, per practitioner
Department store, per .3,000 sq. ft. .
1.00'
Doctor, per practitioner 1.00
00
1
Drug store, per 3,000 sq. ft.
Dry Cleaners, per 3,000 sq. ft. .
1.00
Duplex (see Multiple Living Unit)
Fourplex (see Multiple Living Unit) 1
00
Garage, per 3,000 sq. ft. .
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Grocery store (see Retail food store)
Hospital, per bed
Laundries:
Self-service up to and including ten (10)
washing machines
Each washing machine in excess of
ten (10)
Commercial (to be computed on an
individual basis)
Lodge or private club, per 3,000
sq. ft.
Mobile home court or park, per space
Short term tenant type, per space
Mobile home, or trailer house on own
premises
Motel, hotel, rooming house, etc. (cont.)
With cooking facilities
First unit
Each additional unit
Motel, hotel, rooming house, etc. (cont.)
With cooking facilities
First unit
Each additional unit
Multiple living unit
Studio or one bedroom
Two (2) bedrooms or more
Office building for each 2,500 square
feet of gross floor space or fraction
thereof
Occasional use from standpipe,
Fire hydrant, etc.
for each 2,000 gallons or fraction
thereof
(minimum to be 0.50 equivalent
connection)
Photo development lab
Restaurant, per customer seating capacity
(minimum to be 2.00 equivalent
connections)
Retail store for each 3,000 square
feet of gross floor space or
fraction thereof
Service station
Gas and rest room service only
Full service
With car wash (to be computed on an
individual basis)
Schools, per each 50 students in average
daily attendance or fraction
0.15
4.00
0.25
2.00
1.00
0.50
1.00
1.00
0.25
1.00
0.50
0.75
1.00
1.00
0.50
2.00
1.00
2.00
4.00
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Grocery store (see. Retail food store) 0,15
Hospital, per bed
Laundries:
Self-service up to and including ten (10)
4,00
washing machines
Each washing machine in excess of 0.25
ten (10)
Commercial (to be computed on an ----
individual basis)
Lodge or private club, per 3,000
2.00
sq. ft.
Mobile home court or park, per space 1.00
50
0
Short term tenant type, per space .
Mobile home or trailer house on own 1,00
premises
Motel, hotel, rooming house, etc. (cont.)
With cooking facilities 1.00
First unit
Each additional unit 0.25
Motel, hotel, rooming house, etc. (cont.)
With cooking facilities 1,00
First unit
Each additional unit 0.50
Multiple living unit 0
75
Studio or one bedroom ,
1.00
Two (2) bedrooms or more
Office building for each 2,500 square
feet of gross floor space or fraction 1,00
thereof
Occasional use from standpipe,
Fire hydrant, etc.
for each 2,000 gallons or fraction 0,50
thereof
(minimum to be 0.50 equivalent
connection) 00
2
Photo development lab
Restaurant, per customer seating capacity .
(minimum to be 2.00 equivalent
connections)
Retail store for each 3,000 square
feet of gross floor space or 1
00
fraction thereof ,
Service station
Gas and rest room service only 4,00
Full service
With car wash (to be computed on an
individual basis) ----
Schools, per each 50 students in average
daily attendance or fraction
2.00
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thereof 1.00
Single family residence 1.00
Swimming pool
Public, per 500 sq. ft. 1.00
Private, for each 500 sq. ft. of
pool water -- water surface area 1
00
of fraction thereof .
Tavern, per 3,000 sq. ft. (minimum to
be 2.00 equivalent connections) 1.00
1.00
Theater
Trailer court or park
unit
1.00
Long term tenant type, per
Short term tenant type, per unit
50
0
(minimum 1.00) .
Triplex (see Multiple living unit) 2.00
Railroad depot
Variety store, for each 3,000 sq. ft.
of gross floor space or fraction 1.00
thereof
TABLE III
Schedule of Water
Use Fees
Gallons Consumed Water Use Fee
From To
0 4,000 $6.48
4,001 gallons and up $1.23 per 1,000
gallons
The United States Environmental Protection P,gency
has required the State of Idaho to test drinking water
and the State of Idaho through the Department of Health
and Welfare, Department of Environmental Quality, has
passed the cost of such testing down to local
governmental and private water suppliers. The City must
pass the cost of such testing to the water users.
Therefore each water user shall. be charged a monthly
water assessment of $.25 until the Department of Health
and Welfare, Department of Environmental Quality a~rends
or retracts this testing charge.
SECTION 5: EFFECTIVE DATE: WHEREAS, there is an emergency
therefor, which emergency is hereby declared to exist, this
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Ordinance shall be in full force and effect from and after its
passage, approval and publication according to law.
PASSED AND APPROVED this 1~~day of September,, 1996.
CITY OF MERIDIAN
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ORDINANCE NO. / ~~
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MERIDIAN REPEALING SECTIONS 7-533 (A),
SECTION 7-533 (B), AND SECTION 7-535 OF THE REVISED AND COMPILED
ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF MERIDIAN; RE-ENACTING SAID SECTIONS, WITH
CHANGES TO SAID SECTIONS BUT NOT RENACTING THE SECOND PARAGRAPH OF
7-735, ALL SAID SECTION BEING INCLUDED IN THE REVISED AND COMPILED
ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF MERIDIAN; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
WHEREAS, the Mayor and the City Council of the City of
Meridian, State of Idaho, have concluded that it is in the best
interest of the said City to amend the sewer user charges and sewer
connection charges;
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT ORDAINED BY THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL
OF THE CITY OF MERIDIAN, ADA COUNTY, IDAHO:
SECTION 1: That Sections 7-533 (A) and 7-533 (B), of the
Revised and Compiled Ordinances of the City of Meridian are hereby
repealed.
SECTION 2: Sections 7-533 (A) and 7-533 (B) of the Revised
and Compiled Ordinances of the City of Meridian is hereby re-
enacted and shall read as follows:
(A) The minimum sewer charge shall be eleven and 73/100
dollars ($11.73) per month, based on a use of four thousand
(4,000) gallons per month or less.
(B) The charge for use in excess of four thousand (4,000)
gallons per month, shall be the minimum amount of eleven and
73/100 dollars ($11.73) per month, plus an additional charge
of two dollars sixty cents ($2.60) per one thousand (1,000)
gallons of water used or portion thereof above the four
thousand (4,000) gallon minimum.
SECTION 3: That Section 7-535, of the Revised and Compiled
Ordinances of the City of Meridian is hereby repealed.
ORDINANCE REPEALING AND REENACTING 7-533 (A) AND (B) AND 7-535
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SECTION 4: That Section 7-535 of the Revised and Complied
Ordinances of the City of Meridian is hereby re-enacted and shall
read as follows:
7-535: SEWER CONNECTION CHARGE: The owner, or his agent, of
all properties connecting to the public sewer of the .City
under the terms of this Chapter shall pay a sewer connection
charge of one thousand five hundred eighty dollars ($1,580.00)
for each equivalent connection or fraction thereof as may be
assigned to the property by the City.
SECTION 2: EFFECTIVE DATE: WHEREAS, there is an emergency
therefor, which emergency is hereby declared to exist, this
Ordinance shall be in full force and effect from and after its
passage, approval and publication according to law.
PASSED AND APPROVED this 1 ~ - day of September, 1996.
ATTEST:
WILLIAM G. BERG, JR.
CITY OF MERIDIAN
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MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING: September 17 1996
APPLICANT: ITEM NUMBER; 17
REQUEST• DEPARTMENT REPORTS
AGENCY COMMENTS
CITY CLERK:
CITY ENGINEER:
CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR:
CITY ATTORNEY:
CITY POLICE DEPT:
CITY FIRE DEPT:
CITY BUILDING DEPT:
MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT:
MERIDIAN POST OFFICE:
ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT:
ADA COUNTY STREET NAME COMMITTEE:
CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH:
NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION:
SETTLERS IRRIGATION:
IDAHO POWER:
US WEST:
INTERMOUNTAIN GAS:
BUREAU OF RECLAMATION:
OTHER:
All Materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian.
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CIVIL SURVEY CONSULTANTS, INC.
AGREEMENT FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES
Project No. 96045
THIS AGREEMENT between THE CITY OF MERIDIAN ,hereinafter referred to as the "CLIENT" and CIVIL SURVEY
CONSULTANTS, INC., an Idaho Corporation, hereinafter referred to as "CSC" is made and entered into this day of
1996. The CLIENT and CSC in consideration of their mutual covenants
herein agree as set forth below.
The Client intends to update the emergency generator system at the Wastewater Treatment Facility and add a emergency
generator at Welt No. 14, hereinafter referred to as the PROJECT.
CLIENT INFORMATION AND RESPONSIBILITIES
The CLIENT will provide to CSC a full and complete description of the PROJECT including; all design criteria, information
as to CLIENTS requirements for the PROJECT, design objectives and constraints, capacity and performance requirements,
flexibility and expandability needs, any budgetary limitations, and copies of all design and construction standards which
CLIENT will require to be incorporated in the Drawings and Specifications.
The CLIENT will also provide to CSC all associated project information including data prepared by others; soil borings,
probings and subsurface explorations; hydrographic surveys; laboratory tests and inspection reports of samples, materials and
equipment; studies and interpretations of all environmental assessment and impact statements; surveys of record; property
descriptions; zoning, deed and other land use restrictions; other special data or consultations as may be available; all of which
CSC may use and rely upon in performing services under this Agreement.
The CLIENT will obtain permission for CSC to enter upon public and private property as required for CSC to perform
services under this Agreement.
SERVICES TO BE PERFORMED BY CSC
CSC will provide services as outlined in the attached letter dated September 4, 1996.
BASIS OF FEE AND BILLING SCHEDULE
The Client will pay CSC for services provided under this Agreement per the attached letter dated September 4, 1996.
Notice to Proceed, either verbal or written, shall constitute acceptance of this Agreement by the CLIENT. THE TERMS
AND CONDITIONS, INCLUDING RISK ALLOCATION, ARE PART OF THIS AGREEMENT. THE CLIENT AGREES
TO SAID TERMS AND CONDITIONS. IN WITNESS WI~REOF, the parties hereto have executed this Agreement as of
the day and year first above written.
CLIENT: City of Meridian
ADDRESS: City of Meridian
33 E. Idaho Avenue
Meridian, ID 83642
BY:
TTTLE: .
Civil Survey Consultants, Inc.
P.O. Box 39
1530 W. State Street
Meridian, Id 0
BY:
TITLE: Timothy A. Burgess, Vice President
WO 1 of 4 09/04/96
Glenn K. Bennett, P.L.S.
President
Timothy A. Burgess, P.E.
Vice President
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Civil Survey Consultants, Inc.
P.O. Box 39
1530 W. State Street
Meridian, Idaho 83680
(208)888312
Fax 888-0323
Gary Smith, P.E.
City Engineer
City of Meridian
33 E. Idaho Avenue
Meridian, ID 83642
Re: Wastewater Treatment Plant /Well No. 14 -Emergency Generator Upgrade
Dear Gary:
September 4, 1996
Thank you for considering Civil Survey Consultants to provide professional services required for
upgrade of emergency generator at the Wastewater Treatment Plant and Well No. 14. Civil Survey
Consultants will act as prime consultant on this project with Taylor Engineers, Inc. as electrical sub-
consultant. Based upon our August 21 meeting and August 23 site visit we propose to provide these
services based upon the following scope of services:
Design Services:
1. Base Maps -CSC will perform field surveys of each project site and prepare a base map
for each. The survey and base map at the Well No. 14 Site will include a topographic
survey of the well lot for establishing the location of the new generator. The survey will
also include a floor plan of the existing building with the location of all existing
equipment shown. The survey and base map at the Wastewater Treatment Plant will
include a topographic survey of the immediate area around the mechanical building only.
The survey will also include a floor plan of the existing mechanical building. Detailed
equipment locations will only be provided in the existing chlorine room, electrical room,
and generator location.
2. Preliminary Electrical Survey -Taylor Engineers, Inc. will conduct a preliminary
electrical site survey and meet with city staff to establish the essential equipment which
• must be furnished power by the updated emergency generator.
3. Detailed Electrical Site Survey -Taylor Engineers, Inc. will conduct a detailed electrical
site survey to verify existing power. demands, alarm requirements and controls. Civil
Survey Consultants will assist during this task, if necessary, to add any additional
`'information required to the base maps.
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September 4, 1996
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4. Electrical One Line Diagrams -Upon completion of all field surveys Taylor Engineers,
Inc. will develop accurate electrical one-line diagrams for the existing equipment.
5. Construction Scope of Work -Once all information is gathered, and preliminary design
work is complete, we will prepare a recommended construction project scope of work
which will identify all work to be included in the construction project, with associated
construction cost estimates for review and approval by the City. Alternatives to the
original scope will be will be presented at this time.
The original scope of work, as explained by city staff, is to remove the existing generator
from the mechanical building at the wastewater treatment plant; install a new generator
sized to handle the needs of the wastewater treatment plant positioned on the existing slab
for the one ton chlorine cylinders; modify the existing chlorine room to be a electrical
'room; construct a new chlorine room at the location of the existing generator; provide for
one single one ton chlorine cylinder outside the mechanical building near the new
chlorine room; and relocate the existing generator to Well No. 14.
6. Final Design -Upon acceptance of the project scope by the City, we will prepare final
construction plans, specifications, and contract documents for bidding.
7. Review and Approval -Upon completion of the construction documents, we will submit
copies to the City of final review and approval.
Bidding and Award:
1. Provide an advertisement for bids for publication by the Owner; answer any pre-bid
questions; attend the bid opening; evaluate the bids received; and provide a
recommendation as to the lowest responsive bidder.
2. Prepare the contract documents and coordinate contract execution between the Owner and
Contractor, conduct apre-construction meeting, and assist in issuing the notice to
,.proceed.
Construction Services:
1. Provide complete construction services including coordination between the Owner,
Contractor, Sub-contractors and Sub-consultants.
2. Provide construction observation services.
3. Prepare contractor's partial payment estimates for approval by the owner.
Smlth
September 4, 1996
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4. Review and evaluate the need for change orders during construction and provide a
recommendation to the Owner regazding their approval or denial.
5. Conduct the final inspection and assist the owner with project close out.
6. Prepare record drawings for the completed facilities.
7. ~ Conduct a one yeaz warranty inspection.
We propose to provide the Design Services as outlined above through bidding and awazd on a time and
materials basis with a not to exceed amount of $ 10,436 without prior approval of the Owner. We
propose to provide the Construction Services as outlined above on a time and materials basis according
to the attached rate schedule plus direct expenses and sub-consultant expenses. I estimate the fee for
construction services will be approximately $ 3,059. The above fee estimates are based upon utilizing
Taylor Engineering, Inc. for electrical engineering services. I do not anticipate the need for other sub-
consultants at this time. I have enclosed a copy of man-hour and fee estimates for your reference. The
above fee estimates assume the City will pay all costs associated with permits, licenses, testing, and
publishing costs.
If the proposed scope of services and fee estimates are acceptable please sign and return one copy of the
enclosed.Agreement for Professional Services. Again, thank you for considering Civil Survey
Consultants for this project.
Sincerely,
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.Tim Burgess, P.E.
Vice President
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