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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2003 02-11 February 28, 2003 AGENCY CITY CLERK: CITY ENGINEER: CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: CITY ATTORNEY CITY POLICE DEPT: CITY FIRE DEPT: CITY BUILDING DEPT: CITY WATER DEPT: CITY SEWER DEPT: CITY PARKS DEPT: MERIDIAN SCHOOl DISTRICT: ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: SANITARY SERVICE COMPANY CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: . SETTLERS IRRIGATION: IDAHO POWER: US WEST: INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: MERIDIAN POST OFFICE: OTHER: Contacted: COMMENTS '(OvJ./ Wr Date: Phone: Materials presented at public meeHngs shall become property of the City of Meridian. CITY OF MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING AGENDA Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 7:00 p.m. City Council Chambers 1. Roll-call Attendance: x X Tammy de Weerd X Cherie McCandless 0 X Mayor Robert Corrie Bill Nary Keith Bird 2. Adoption of the Agenda: Move Item #10 before Item #4 3. Consent Agenda: A. Approve minutes of January 21, 2003 City Council Regular Meeting: Approve B. Approve minutes of January 28, 2003 City Council Regular Meeting: Approye 5-C. Tabled from February 4, 2003: Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law for Approval: AZ 02-024 Request for annexation and zoning of 15.4 acres from RUT to R-8 zones for proposed Cobblefield Crossina Subdivision by CMD, Inc. - 4450 North Linder Road: Approve 5-0. Tabled from February 4, 2003: Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law for Approval: PP 02-022 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 73 building lots and 15 other lots on 15.4 acres in a proposed R-8 zone for proposed Cobblefield Crossina Subdivision by CMD, Inc. - 4450 North Linder Road: Approve as Amended 5.E. Tabled from February 4, 2003: Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law for Approval: CUP 02-032 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a PUD for 64 single-family detached homes, 8 e single-family attached homes and 1 single-family existing home on 15.4 acres in a proposed R-8 zone for proposed Cobblefield Crossina Subdivision by CMD, Inc. - 4450 North Linder Road: Approve as Amended Meridian City Council Agenda - February II, 2003 Page 1 of 4 An materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents and/or hearing please contact the City Clerk's Office at 888-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting. F. Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law for Approyal: CUP 02-043 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a Planned Deyelopment for drive-thru facilities on pre-approved bank in a C-C zone on 0.89 acres for Albertson's Employees' Federal Credit Union by Albertson's Employees' Federal Credit Union - south of East Overland Road and east of South Eagle Road: Approve G. Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law for Approval: CUP 02-042 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a drive-thru window for a coffee and ice cream shop in a CoN zone in the Linder Crossina retail center by Stubblefield Development Company - southeast corner of West Cherry Lane and North Linder Road: Approve H. Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law for Approval: CUP 02-044 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a sports bar and grill in a C-G zone for Muaasy's Bar & Grill by Michael McGuinness - south of East Fairview Avenue, east of North Locust Groye Road on East Wilson Lane: Approye I. Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law for Approval: AZ 02- 026 Request for annexation and zoning of 35.94 acres from RUT to R-8 zones for proposed Burney Glen Subdivision by Properties West, Inc. - east of North Meridian Road and north of East Ustick Road: Approve J. Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law for Approval: PP 02- 025 Request for Preliminary Plat approyal of 119 building lots and 12 other lots on 35.94 acres in a proposed R-8 zone for proposed Burney Glen Subdivision by Properties West, Inc. - east of North Meridian Road and north of East Ustick Road: Approve K. Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law for Approval: VAR 03-001 Request for a Variance to allow two block lengths to exceed the one thousand foot maximum block length for proposed Burney Glen Subdivision by Properties West, Inc. - east of North Meridian Road and north of East Ustick Road: Approve L. Baldwin Park Subdiyision Water Latecomer Agreement: Approye M. Revised Silverstone Subdivision Water and Sewer Latecomer Agreement: Approve N. Heritage Commons (Quenzer Commons) Subdivision No. 1 Streetlight Agreement: Approye Meridian City Council Agenda - February 11,2003 Page 2 of 4 All materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. Anyone desiring accommodalion for disabilities related to documents and/or hearing please contact the City Clerk's Office at 888-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting. O. License Agreement with Nampa & Meridian Irrigation District - Five Mile Creek Sewer Crossing: Approve P. Water Main Easement, Linder Road Middle School - Joint School District No.2: Approve Q. Sewer Main Easement, Linder Road Middle School - Joint School District No.2: Approve R. Sewer Main Easement, Linder Road Middle School - Joint School District No.2: Approve S. Agreement for Professional Services with HDR Engineering for Safety Audit of Meridian Facilities: Approve 4. Department Reports: A. Mayor's Office: 1. Reappointments to Planning and Zoning Commission: - Jerry Centers, six-year term to 2009: Approve - David Zaremba, six-year term to 2009: Approve B. Fire Department: 1. Fire Station #3 Update 2. Fire Safe House Mobile Home: Approye to move 5. (Items Moved from Consent Agenda) C, D, F 6. Tabled from February 4, 2003: Ordinance No. 03-1006 Amendment to Meridian City Code 11-2-2, Definitions of the ZoninQ Regulations: Approve 7. Ordinance No. 03-1007 : Amendment to Meridian City Code 11-15-5, PostinQ Requirements: Approye 8. Ordinance No. 03-1008 : RZ 02-007 Request for a Rezone of 2.83 acres from R-4 to L-Q zones for Meridian First Baptist Church by Meridian First Baptist Church - 428 and 506 West Pine Avenue: Approve 9. Ordinance No. 03-1009 : RZ 02-006 Request for a Rezone of 0.85 acres from I-L to O-T zones for Meridian Head Start by Friends of Meridian City Council Agenda - February 11,2003 Page 3 of4 All materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. Anyone desiring accommodation fOf disabilities related to documents and/or hearing please contact the City Clerk's Office at 888-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting. Children and Families, Inc. - 321 and 333 West Broadway Avenue: Approye 10. FP 03-003 Request for Final Plat approval of 19 building lots and 2 other lots on 6.5 acres in an R-4 zone for Salmon Rapids No.5 by Brahma, LLC - north of Victory Road and west of Locust Grove Road: Approve 11. FP 03-004 Request for Final Plat approval of 39 building lots and 10 other lots on 7.30 acres in an R-B zone for Tullv Cove Subdivision by Ted Mason - west of North Linder Road and south of West Ustick Road: Approye 12. Public Hearing: CUP 02-046 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a bus facility in an I-L zone for Joint School District No.2 by Joint School District No.2 - 2170 West Franklin Road: Attorney to prepare Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law for Approval 13. Public Hearing: VAR 02-015 Request for a Variance to extend future access streets beyond 450 foot cul-de-sac length to approximately 755 feet for Joint School District No.2 by Joint School District No.2 - 2170 West Franklin Road: Attorney to prepare Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law for Approval 14. Public Hearing: AZ. 02-028 Request for annexation and zoning of B1.54 acres from RUT to R-B and L-Q zones for proposed Cedar Sprinas North SubdiYision by Howell-Murdoch Deyelopment Corporation - south of West McMillan Road and west of North Meridian Road: Continue Public Hearing to February 25, 2003 Meeting 15. Public Hearing: PP 02-027 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 197 building lots and 33 other lots on B1.54 acres in proposed R-B and L-O zones for proposed Cedar Sprinas North Subdivision by Howell- Murdoch Deyelopment Corporation - south of West McMillan Road and west of North Meridian Road: Continue Public Hearing to February 25, 2003 Meeting 16. Public Hearing: VAR 03-003 Request for a Variance to allow blocks 7, 9, and 13 to exceed 1,000 foot maximum block length for Cedar SprinQs North SubdiYision by Howell-Murdoch Development Corporation - south of West McMillan Road and west of North Meridian Road: Continue Public Hearing to February 25,2003 Meeting Meridian City Council Agenda - February 11.2003 Page 4 of 4 All materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. Anyone desiring accommodation fOf disabilities related to documents and/or hearing please contact the City Clerk's Office at 888-4433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting. Meridian City Council Meetina Februarv 11. 2003 The Regular Meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order at 7:00 P.M., on Tuesday, February 11, 2003, by Mayor Robert Corrie. Members Present: William Nary, Tammy de Weerd, and Cherie McCandless. Member Absent: Keith Bird. Others Present: William Nichols, Brad Hawkins-Clark, Gary Smith, Brad Watson, Ken Bowers, Mike Worley, Dean Willis, and Will Berg. Item 1. Roll-call Attendance: X Tammy de Weerd X Bill Nary X Cherie McCandless Keith Bird X Mayor Robert Corrie Corrie: All right. I will open the City Council Regular Meeting, Tuesday, February 11, 2003, at 7:00 and would like to haye the City Clerk give us the roll call attendance, please. Item 2. Adoption of the Agenda: Corrie: Okay. Item Number 2 is adoption of the agenda. Council, are there any additions or corrections to the agenda? Nary: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: We got a request from the deyeloper on Item 10, so I'd request that we move Item 10 up to Item 4 before the Department Reports, the Final Plat approval for Salmon Rapids No.5, and I think other than that I don't think there was anything else to change. Corrie: Okay. Anyothers? All right. Nary: If there are no objections I would move to adopt the agenda as printed, with the one amendment. McCandless: Second. Corrie: Motion has been made and seconded to adopt the agenda with the one amendment. Is there any further discussion? Hearing none, all in favor say aye. All ayes. Motion carried. Meridian City Council Meeting February 11, 2003 Page 2 of 45 MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT Item 3. Consent Agenda: A. Approye minutes of January 21, 2003 City Council Regular Meeting: B. Approye minutes of January 28, 2003 City Council Regular Meeting: F. Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law for Approval: CUP 02-043 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a Planned Deyelopment for drive-thru facilities on pre-approved bank in a C-C zone on 0.89 acres for Albertson's Employees' Federal Credit Union by Albertson's Employees' Federal Credit Union - south of East Overland Road and east of South Eagle Road: G. Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law for Approyal: CUP 02-042 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a drive-thru window for a coffee and ice cream shop in a CoN zone in the Linder Crossina retail center by Stubblefield Deyelopment Company - southeast corner of West Cherry Lane and North Linder Road: H. Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law for Approyal: CUP 02-044 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a sports bar and grill in a CoG zone for Muaasy's Bar & Grill by Michael McGuinness - south of East Fairview Avenue, east of North Locust Grove Road on East Wilson Lane: I. Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law for Approval: AZ 02- 026 Request for annexation and zoning of 35.94 acres from RUT to R-8 zones for proposed Burney Glen Subdivision by Properties West, Inc. - east of North Meridian Road and north of East Ustick Road: J. Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law for Approval: PP 02- 025 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 119 building lots and 12 other lots on 35.94 acres in a proposed R-8 zone for proposed Burney Glen SubdiYision by Properties West, Inc. - east of North Meridian Road and north of East Ustick Road: K. Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law for Approval: VAR 03-001 Request for a Variance to allow two block lengths to exceed the one thousand foot maximum block length for proposed Meridian City Council Meeting February 11, 2003 Page 3 of 45 Burney Glen Subdivision by Properties West, Inc. - east of North Meridian Road and north of East Ustick Road: L. Baldwin Park Subdivision Water Latecomer Agreement: M. Revised Silyerstone Subdivision Water and Sewer Latecomer Agreement: N. Heritage Commons (Quenzer Commons) Subdivision No. 1 Streetlight Agreement: O. License Agreement with Nampa & Meridian Irrigation District - Five Mile Creek Sewer Crossing: P. Water Main Easement, Linder Road Middle School - Joint School District No.2: Q. Sewer Main Easement, Linder Road Middle School - Joint School District No.2: R. Sewer Main Easement, Linder Road Middle School - Joint School District No.2: S. Agreement for Professional Services with HDR Engineering for Safety Audit of Meridian Facilities: Corrie: Item Number 3 is the Consent Agenda. Nary: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: I would moye the approyal of the Consent Agenda, Items 3A through 3S, with the Mayor to sign and the Clerk to attest to all the agreements as necessary. Hawkins-Clark: Excuse me, Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Yes, Brad. Hawkins-Clark: I'm sorry. We did have one modification -- Nary: Oh, I'm sorry. Hawkins-Clark: -- to 3D and 3E. If you recall, this was tabled from last meeting to this meeting, so I would request if you will open to that, Councilman Nary, to move to Item Number 5. Meridian City Council MeeUng February 11. 2003 Page 4 of 45 Nary: Mr. Mayor, I guess I had missed that. I do remember seeing something in there about that as well. Would C be as well? Shall we just do all three of those for publishing? Hawkins-Clark: That would be fine. Nary: Okay. Then, I would moye that we moye Items 3C, D, E down to be 5C, D, E and, then, again move to approve the Consent Agenda 3A and B and, then, F through S and for the Mayor to sign and the Clerk to attest to all of the agreements as necessary. McCandless: Second. Corrie: Okay. Motion has been made and seconded. Is there any further discussion? Hearing none, roll call yote, Mr. Berg. Roll Call: McCandless, aye; Nary, aye; de Weerd, aye; Bird, absent. Corrie: Okay. MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT Item 10. FP 03-003 Request for Final Plat approval of 19 building lots and 2 other lots on 6.5 acres in an R-4 zone for Salmon Rapids No.5 by Brahma, LLC - north of Victory Road and west of Locust Grove Road: Corrie: Item Number 4 is the Department Reports, but we have an Item Number 10 to be in place of that one first. Item Number 10 is a request for Final Plat approval of 19 building lots and two other lots on 6.5 acres in an R-4 zone for Salmon Rapids No.5, north of Victory Road and West of Locust Groye Road. Staff comments first. Hawkins-Clark: Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council. This Final Plat is for 19 building lots, two other lots, on six and a half acres. The Preliminary Plat was approved a couple of months ago by the Council and staff did review the Final Plat. It is in conformance with the Preliminary Plat. Here on the screen is the proposed Final plat. They are reflecting the two common lots here in the very south -- southwest corner and they do have a common lot for landscaping just north of the cul-d-sac as well on Pine Bar Place. Staff has recommended conditions in our February 11th memo and I believe we do haye a response in writing from Mrs. Bowcutt, the representative, and they are in agreement with our conditions. I think that's alii have to point out on that application. Corrie: Okay. Are there any questions from Council and staff? Okay. Is the deyeloper representative here tonight? Do you haye any -- eyerything is okay, then? All right. Let the record show that the representative from Salmon Rapids is in agreement with the city staff comments. Is there any further discussion, Council? Okay. I will entertain a motion on the Final Plat request. Meridian City Council Meeting February 11, 2003 Page 5 of 45 Nary: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: I would move the approval of Item Number 4, FP 03-003, the request for Final Plat approyal of 19 building lots and two other lots on 6.5 acres in an R-4 zone for Salmon Rapids NO.5 pursuant to the staff report and the comments as provided by the deyeloper, dated February 11, 2003. For Counsel to prepare Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law and Decision and Order. Corrie: Motion has been made. Is there a second? McCandless: Second. Corrie: Motion made and seconded on the approyal of the Final Plat. Is there any further discussion? Roll call vote, Mr. Berg. Roll Call: McCandless, aye; Nary, aye; de Weerd, aye; Bird, absent. Corrie: Okay. All ayes. Motion to approve Final Plat is approved. MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT Item 4. Department Reports: A. Mayor's Office: 1. Reappointments to Planning and Zoning Commission: - Jerry Centers, six-year term to 2009 - David Zaremba, six-year term to 2009 Corrie: Item Number 4 is Department Reports, the Mayor's Office. I would like to recommend to the City Council for the reappointment to the Planning and Zoning Commission two present members, Mr. Jerry Centers for a six-year term for the year 2009 and David Zaremba, to continue a six-year term to 2009. Any discussion? Nary: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: I served on the Planning and Zoning Commission with Mr. Centers and I have seen both his work there and since and Mr. Zaremba, I think these are excellent candidates to continue. I'm glad they are willing to continue service. I think it's an excellent choice for the city. Meridian City Council Meetlng February 11. 2003 Page 6 of 45 Corrie: Any other comments? De Weerd: Well, I agree. Corrie: Okay. Then, I'll entertain a motion to accept the reappointments of Jerry Centers and Dayid Zaremba to the Planning and Zoning Commission. De Weerd: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. De Weerd: I moye we approve the reappointment of Jerry Centers and David Zaremba to a six year term to 2009 for the Planning and Zoning Commission. Nary: Second. Corrie: Okay. Motion has been made and seconded to the reappointment of the Planning and Zoning Commission Jerry Centers and Dave Zaremba for a six-year term. Is there any further discussion? All those in fayor of the motion say aye. All ayes. Motion carried. MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT De Weerd: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. De Weerd: We have two other -- Parks Commission and the Traffic Safety Committee, are those at some point going to be items in the near future? Corrie: I hope that we will have them next Tuesday. I haye got the Parks Commission final coming into my office and we are still haYing a little trouble with the traffic, who wants to do it, so -- but I hope we can have that by Tuesday, too. That would be in two weeks. Anybody out there like to sit on the Traffic Commission, I would be more than happy to talk to you tomorrow. De Weerd: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. B. Fire Department update, De Weerd: Just one more thing under the department reports. I know, generally, you ask staff if they have anything. The Fire Department has an item that they would like to address. Meridian City Council Meellng February 11. 2003 Page 7 of 45 Corrie: Okay. Bowers: Mayor Corrie and City Council Members, I thought I'd bring you up to speed a little bit on our Fire Station Number 3 on North Locust Grove. If you haye drove by there, we haye burned the house and it's completely gone now at this time. We will start cleaning up the area, getting the old foundations, the old rock hauled off, the old concrete hauled off. I met with Ada County Highway District on Friday on our two entrances and exits into our property and they denied the two exits and entrances into our property, which we realized that that's what would happen. We knew that, but they have put us on the Consent Agenda with a favorable mark for the 19th at noon to meet with the Ada County Board, so we will be discussing that, possibly, if they take us off the Consent Agenda. I'm not sure, but it sounds like it's going to go pretty good on that part. Also, I have -- updated you a little bit on the safe -- fire safe house that we have. As you know, we'd like to moye the re-manufactured home that's on there across the street east and north into the Meridian School District's property there where they are building the new schools. My question to you guys, if you feel that you could, if we could move that building over to the School District's property without our agreement or without a contract? Deputy Chief Silya and Wendell Bigham, which is in the audience tonight, has been working very hard to get that contract and agreement worked through and the School District does not feel that there would be a problem with us moYing over -- moving the building over to the property. We would not put it on any foundation, we would still need approyals through Planning and Zoning, we would still need approvals through Daunt on the Building Permits before we would do anything, but if we run up to a scheduling problem with our new fire station, we need to get that building off the property. Basically, I'm just asking if you guys felt comfortable of us moving it over to the School District. I talked to Bill Nichols today, he didn't see a problem with it at this time, and, to my knowledge, the School District has not had a problem with it. Corrie: Wendell, is that okay. Okay. All right. Any other questions? Nary: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: Just for the record, Mr. Bigham was acknowledging that was okay, just so the record is clear. Corrie: My apologies. De Weerd: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. De Weerd: So, if Council wouldn't be opposed, we would like to move the trailer off the -- if it's necessary, off the property oyer to. a temporary site before probably all the appropriate approvals or contracts are signed. I do want to say we have appreciated Meridian City Council Meeting February 11, 2003 Page 8 of 45 the partnership with the School District, they haye been working with us very closely in accommodating of the safe house that will educate children to fire prevention and those kinds of things and as well as a big thanks to Brad Watson. I thank Steve in the Public Works, they haye donated a lot of time in helping with the plans and the drainage and that sort of thing. Really, I appreciate that. Also Jamie Allen in the Water Department and Bill Allen, they haye been very busy getting a lot of donated labor and materials that has really made this a great asset to the community at yery low cost to the taxpayers and so appreciate the job you haye all done. This is going to be a wonderful asset. Bowers: Thank you. Nary: So was that a motion to authorize, then, to go ahead and move it? De Weerd: So moved. Nary: Second. Corrie: Motion has been made and seconded to authorize the Fire Department to move the safe house trailer over to the school property before we have a contract set up. Is there any further discussion? McCandless: Just as needed. De Weerd: Thank you for wording that for me, Mr. Nary. Corrie: All those in favor say aye. All ayes. Motion carried. MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT Bowers: Thank you, Mayor, and Council. Corrie: Any other department reports at this time? Item 5. (Items Moved from Consent Agenda) C. Tabled from February 4, 2003: Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law for Approval: AZ. 02-024 Request for annexation and zoning of 15.4 acres from RUT to R-8 zones for proposed Cobblefield Crossina Subdivision by CMD, Inc. - 4450 North Linder Road: D. Tabled from February 4, 2003: Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law for Approval: PP 02-022 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 73 building lots and 15 other lots on 15.4 acres in a proposed R-8 zone for proposed Cobblefield Crossina Subdivision by CMD, Inc. - 4450 North Linder Road: Meridian City Council Meeting February 11, 2003 Page 9 of 45 E. Tabled from February 4, 2003: Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law for Approyal: CUP 02-032 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a PUD for 64 single-family detached homes, 8 e single-family attached homes and 1 single-family existing home on 15.4 acres in a proposed R-8 zone for proposed Cobblefield Crossina Subdivision by CMD, Inc. - 4450 North Linder Road: Corrie: All right. Number 5 is items moyed from the Consent Agenda. We have C, D, and E has been moved on the Cobblefield Crossing Subdivision. Hawkins-Clark: Yes. Thank you, Mayor. The Cobblefield Crossing findings for the Preliminary Plat and the Conditional Use Permit in the Section B, which is the Ada County Highway District conditions that are detailed out there. Number 7 in both the Preliminary Plat and Conditional Use Permit does refer to a -- dedicating a temporary stub street to the District. That was -- that was addressed by the provision of a new permanent stub street, so staff didn't catch that last week. We did reyiew that this week, so that was why this item was tabled and just would recommend that that B7, which does occur in both the Preliminary Plat findings and the Conclusion and Order and the Conditional Use Permit, Findings and Conclusion and Order, be stricken, because that would bring it into conformance with the approved Preliminary Plat. Corrie: Okay. Any discussion? Okay. Then, we can take C first, the Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law for approval on a request for annexation and zoning. Nary: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: I move the approval of AZ 02-024, the Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law for approyal on the request for annexation and zoning of 15.4 acres from RUT to an R-B zone for the proposed Cobblefield Crossing Subdivision, pursuant to all staff comments and -- well, I guess for findings that are there. McCandless: Second. Corrie: Okay. Any other discussion? Okay. Roll call yote, Mr. Berg. Roll Call: McCandless, aye; Nary, aye; de Weerd, aye; Bird, absent. Corrie: Okay. All ayes. Motion carried. MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT Corrie: Item D is the approval for the request for Preliminary Plat. Meridian City Council Meeting February 11 , 2003 Page 10 of 45 Nary: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: I would move the approyal of the Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law for PP 02-022, the request for Preliminary Plat approyal of 73 building lots and 15 other lots on 15.4 acres in a proposed R-8 zone for the proposed Cobblefield Crossing Subdivision, with an amendment to delete Item 2 -- or Item 07. McCandless: Second. Corrie: Okay. Motion has been made and seconded. Is there any further discussion? Hearing none, roll call yote, Mr. Berg. Roll Call: McCandless, aye; Nary, aye; de Weerd, aye; Bird, absent. Corrie: All ayes. Motion carried. MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT Corrie: Number E. Nary: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: Finally, I'd moye the approyal of Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law of CUP 02-032, the request for Conditional Use Permit for a PUD for 64 single-family attached homes, eight single attached homes, and one single-family existing home on 15.4 acres in the proposed R-8 zone for proposed Cobblefield Crossing Subdivision, with the amendment to delete Item D7 and all the remaining items to be the same. McCandless: Second. Corrie: Okay. Motion has been made and seconded for the approval of the request for Conditional Use Permit with the removal of Item 7. Is there any further discussion? Hearing none, roll call vote, Mr. Berg. Roll Call: McCandless, aye; Nary, aye; de Weerd, aye; Bird, absent. Corrie: Okay. All ayes. Motion is approyed. MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT Item 6. Tabled from February 4, 2003: Ordinance No. Meridian City Council Meeting February 11. 2003 Page 110145 Amendment to Meridian City Code 11-2-2, Definitions of the Zonina Regulations: Corrie: Item Number 6 is tabled from February 4, 2003. It's Ordinance Number 03- 1006. This was the amendment to the City Code 11-2-2, Definition of Zoning Regulations. At this time I would like to haye, the City Clerk read Ordinance Number 03-1006 by title only at this time. Berg: Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council. Ordinance Number 03-1006, an Ordinance of the City of Meridian amending Section 2 of Chapter 2 of Title 11 of the Meridian City Code by the addition and/or deletion of language defining certain terms in the zoning regulation ordinance, providing validity, providing a savings clause, and proYiding an effective date. Corrie: You have heard the reading of Ordinance Number 03-1006 by title only. Is there anyone from the audience that would like to haye it read in its entirety? Hearing none, Council, any discussion? Nary: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: And maybe I'm mistaken. I thought my recollection when we discussed this previously is that all of these definitions were new or is this a different one because some are underlined and some aren't and I thought it was all new definitions. Nichols: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, what you had in front of you at the hearing were all of the new definitions or the ones that were changed. Nary: Oh. Okay. I got you. Nichols: And, then, that's why it took us so long to put this back together, because we had to insert those into the -- a range of definitions. Nary: I got it. Okay. I understand. Thank you. Corrie: Any further discussion? Hearing none, I will entertain a motion for the -- motion for Ordinance Number 03-1006. De Weerd: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. De Weerd: I move we approve Ordinance Number 03-1006, Amendment to the Meridian City Code 11-2-2, Definitions of the Zoning Regulations and authorize the Mayor to sign, Clerk to attest, with suspension of the rules. Meridian City Council Meeting February 11. 2003 Page 12 of 45 Nary: Second. Corrie: Okay. Motion has been made and seconded for approval of Ordinance Number 03-1006, Zoning Regulations. Any further discussion? Nary: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: Just to make it clear on the record, that this isn't in the title, but there is a summary attached and it is -- it is approved as well with it, so that it's clear that we approyal them both. Corrie: Any other discussion? Hearing none, roll call yote, Mr. Berg. Roll Call: McCandless, aye; Nary, aye; de Weerd, aye; Bird, absent. Corrie: Okay. All ayes. Motion carried. MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT Item 7. Ordinance No. : Amendment to Meridian City Code 11-15-5, Postina Reauirements: Corrie: Item Number 7 is an Ordinance Number 03-1007. This is an amendment to the Meridian City Code 11-15-5, under Posting Requirements. Mr. Clerk, if you would read the ordinance by title only at this time. Berg: Thank you. Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council. Ordinance Number 03-1007, an Ordinance of the City of Meridian, Idaho, amending Section 5, Chapter 15, of Title 11, Procedures in the Zoning Regulations of the Meridian City Code and reacting Section 5, Chapter 15 of Title 11 to provide for new noticing and posting requirements and to provide for neighborhood meeting requirements and for re-Iettering Subsection B requirements of the Commission to become Subsection C and to delete language and add language providing for appeals, conflicts, validity, savings clause, and providing for an effective date. Corrie: Thank you. You have heard the reading of Ordinance Number 03-1007 by title only. Is there anyone from the audience that would like to have it read in its entirety? Hearing none, Council, any discussion? Hearing none, I will entertain a motion on the request for Ordinance Number 03-1007. McCandless: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mrs. McCandless. Meridian City Council Meeting February 11, 2003 Page 13 of 45 McCandless: I move that we approye Ordinance Number 03-1007, the amendment to Meridian City Code 11-15-5, posting requirements, and for the Mayor to sign and Clerk to attest and the suspension of rules. Nary: Second. Corrie: Motion has been made and seconded. Any further discussion? Hearing none, roll call yote, Mr. Berg. Roll Call: McCandless, aye; Nary, aye; de Weerd, aye; Bird, absent. Corrie: All ayes. Motion carried. MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT Item 8. Ordinance No. RZ 02-007 Request for a Rezone of 2.83 acres from R-4 to L-O zones for Meridian First Baptist Church by Meridian First Baptist Church - 428 and 506 West Pine Avenue: Corrie: Item 8. This is Ordinance Number 03-1008. This is a request for a rezone of 2.83 acres from R-4 to L-O zone for Meridian First Baptist Church by Meridian First Baptist Church, 428 and 506 West Pine Avenue. At this time, I would like the City Clerk to read Ordinance Number 03-1008 by title only. Berg: Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council. Ordinance Number 03-1008. An Ordinance finding that the owner Meridian First Baptist Church for certain real property has made a written request for a rezone of the zoning classification for real property that lies within the boundaries of the City of Meridian from R-4, Low Density Residential District, to L-O, Limited Office District -- Zoning District as defined under Meridian City Code Section 11-7-2G, repealing all ordinances, resolutions, orders, or parts thereof, in conflict herewith, and directing the city engineer to add said rezoning designation to the official maps of the City of Meridian, Idaho. Corrie: Okay. You have heard the reading of ordinance for the Meridian Head Start Number 03-100 -- or, excuse me, First Baptist Church, 03-1008. Is there anyone from the audience that would like to have it read in its entirety? Hearing none, Council? Nary: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: I move the approyal of Ordinance Number 03-1008, request for a rezone of 2.83 acres from an R-4 to an L-O zone for Meridian First Baptist Church, with suspension of rules pursuant to the Idaho Code. Meridian City Council Meeting February 11 , 2003 Page 14 0145 De Weerd: Second. Corrie: Motion has been made and seconded to approye the request for a rezone, Ordinance Number 03-1008. Is there further discussion? Mr. Berg, roll call vote. Please. Roll Call: McCandless, aye; Nary, aye; de Weerd, aye; Bird, absent. Corrie: Okay. All ayes. Motion carried. MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT Item 9. Ordinance No. RZ 02-006 Request for a Rezone of 0.85 acres from I-L to O-T zones for Meridian Head Start by Friends of Children and Families, Inc. - 321 and 333 West Broadway Ayenue: Corrie: Number 9 is Ordinance Number 03-1009. This is a request for a rezone of .85 acres from I-L to O-T zone for Meridian Head Start by Friends of Children and Families, Inc., 321 and 333 West Broadway Ayenue. At this time I would like to have, the Clerk read Ordinance Number 03-1009 by title only. Berg: Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council. Ordinance Number 03-1009. An Ordinance finding that the owner Louis Marks and Jeanette Schaffer of certain real property generally known as 321 and 333 West Broadway Ayenue, has made a written request for a rezone of the zoning classification for real property that lies within the boundaries of the City of Meridian from the I-L, Light Industrial District, to O-T, Old Town District -- Zoning District, as defined under Meridian City Code Section 11-7-2L, repealing all ordinances, resolutions, orders, or parts thereof, in conflict herewith, and directing the City Engineer to add said rezoning designations to the official maps of the City of Meridian, Idaho. Corrie: Okay. You have heard the reading of Ordinance Number 03-1009 by title only. Is there anyone from the public that would like to haye it read in its entirety? Hearing none, Council, discussion? Hearing none, I will entertain a motion on the ordinance. De Weerd: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. De Weerd: I move we approyal Ordinance 03-1009, request for a rezone of .85 acres from I-L to O-T zone for Meridian Head Start and authorize the Mayor to sign and Clerk to attest, with suspension of rules. McCandless: Second. Meridian City Council Meeting February 11, 2003 Page 150145 Corrie: Motion has been made and seconded. Any further discussion? Roll call vote, please, Mr. Berg. Roll Call: McCandless, aye; Nary, aye; de Weerd, aye; Bird, absent. Corrie: Ordinance Number 03-1009 is approved. MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT Item 11. FP 03-004 Request for Final Plat approval of 39 building lots and 10 other lots on 7.30 acres in an R-B zone for Tully Cove Subdivision by Ted Mason - west of North Linder Road and south of West Ustick Road: Corrie: Item Number 11 now is the request for Final Plat approval of 39 building lots and ten other lots on 7.30 acres in an R-B zone for Tully Cove Subdivision by Ted Mason, west of North Linder Road and south of West Ustick Road. Staff comments first. Hawkins-Clark: Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council. The subject property is on the west side of North Linder Road, directly across from Tully Park. The map does still reflect an Ada County zoning for the south three-quarters of the property, but that was annexed and rezoned to R-B. Ordinance was adopted. This is the property in bold. You haye Turtle Creek Subdiyision abutting to the west. As you can see, an existing stub street was provided there. The Final Plat is as shown here on the screen. They do have a single point of access off of North Linder Road. They are providing open space as approved with the Preliminary Plat. The stub street is connected here on the south side. The layout of the subdivision does comply with the Preliminary Plat that was approved and we haye recommended conditions in our February 11th memo to Council. There is a gross density of about 6.7 dwelling units per acre in this project 36 of the building lots are for attached single-family dwellings and three are detached. Ada County Highway District does haye this section of Linder Road in their five-year work program for a three lane widening, so they will be obtaining a right of way for this project and will construct a sidewalk on Linder Road during their 2007 construction project. That requirement was placed on the applicant on this one to trust fund for that sidewalk in this case. Our conditions, I believe, are as proposed. I don't believe there are any modifications. We did ask for some fencing on the south boundary adjacent Glennfield Manor Subdivision in our condition number four, as well as solid fencing adjacent to Turtle Creek on the west boundary. Staff is recommending approval of the Final Plat application with our conditions. Thank you. Corrie: Thank you, Brad. Council do you haye any questions of Mr. Hawkins-Clark? Okay. Is the representative of Tully Cove Subdiyision here this evening? I hate to have you moye, but can't hear you back there. Do you have any qualms with the conditions and so forth? Meridian City Council MeeUng February 11, 2003 Page 160145 Mason: No. We are in agreement with all of those. Corrie: Thank you. I need your name. Mason: My name is Ted Mason. Do you need my address as well? Corrie: Yes. Giye it. Mason: 4915 South Camas, Boise. Corrie: Thank you, Ted. Okay. Any questions of Council? Okay. I will entertain a motion for the request for Final Plat approval. De Weerd: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. De Weerd: I move we approve the Final Plat approyal of 39 building lots and ten other lots on 7.3 acres in an R-8 zone for Tully Coye Subdivision, to include all staff comments, dated February 11th, and ask the attorney draw up Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law and Decision of Order. McCandless: Second. Corrie: Motion has been made and seconded for approval of the request for Final Plat approval. Any further discussion? Hearing none, roll call yote, Mr. Berg. Roll Call: McCandless, aye; Nary, aye; de Weerd, aye; Bird, absent. Corrie: Okay. We have three ayes. Motion is for the Final Plat is approved. MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT Item 12. Public Hearing: CUP 02-046 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a bus facility in an I-L zone for Joint School District No.2 by Joint School District NO.2 - 2170 West Franklin Road: Item 13. Public Hearing: VAR 02-015 Request for a Variance to extend future access streets beyond 450 foot cul-de-sac length to approximately 755 feet for Joint School District No.2 by Joint School District No.2 - 2170 West Franklin Road: Corrie: Item Number 12 and 13 are both Public Hearings. This is the Joint School District No.2. I would like to open the Public Hearing for both of those at the same time. We will haye the request for a Conditional Use Permit for a bus facility in an I-L zone for Joint School District No.2 by Joint School District No.2, 2170 West Franklin Meridian City Council Meeting FebNary 11, 2003 Page 17 of 45 Road and also open the Public Hearing for request for a variance to extend future access streets beyond 450 cul-d-sac length to approximately 755 feet for Joint School District NO.2 by Joint School District NO.3 -- 2, excuse me, 2170 West Franklin Road. Having no objections from Council, I will open the Public Hearing for both 12 and 13 and staff comments first, please. Hawkins-Clark: Yes, Mayor, Members of the Council, the subject property is here on the north side of Franklin Road. The School District has been in communication with the staff, along with Sanitary Service Company, representatives from Van Auker, Incorporated, and all three on this parcel as it's shown here. City Council did approve a one-time lot split for this property about seven months ago, I believe. The property is zoned light industrial. The Union Pacific Railroad 200 foot right of way abuts the north boundary of the property. The Marcon Development that had a new private street that's been recently extended from Linder Road across the north side of the storage covey's lot there and they are doing the barricade storage project here to the east. It is existing Ada County zoning and largely undeyeloped parcels here on the south side of Franklin Road. This section of Franklin is not in the Highway District's five-year work program at this point in time. What's shown here are the locations of the two access roads to serve the northern part of the project. The -- you're just looking here at the southern half of this parcel that was shown on the first screen. They are proposing at this point a private access road on the eastern boundary that's adjacent to Caparelli Subdivision and an access road secondary here more in the center of the parcel. Both of them would be constructed per the Planning and Zoning Commission to the Highway District standards. They are -- they haye been in the discussion with the city staff about platting this ground and at that point in time it is the staff's anticipation that these would become potentially public at this point. The request Item Number 13 on your agenda, the Variance, is for the length of these cul-d-sacs as shown and they are 755 feet. Ordinance does require 450 but they there are no stub streets to serve those at this point in time, so the variance is really necessary for that reason. The eleyations of the building -- there is two buildings on the property that they are proposing and here are the proposed eleyations for the administratiye transportation facility and the maintenance area with several of the oyerhead doors, as you can see here is the second building on the parcel. This Site Plan does reflect the modifications that the Planning and Zoning Commission requested be made. At their Public Hearing, the Commission did recommend approval with conditions and we haye received this revised Site Plan that shows some of those changes. Again, now this is the northern portion of that larger parcel that we just looked at and here is the eastern access road here and the western access road here and they do come in -- they basically have a perimeter access road around the entire parcel. The Eight Mile Drain does bisect the property here. The two buildings that I just showed, the administration building is located here on the south side and, then, closer to the railroad tracks is their service and maintenance building. All of this parking that you see east of the two buildings is for standard parking for employees, as well as some of this parking at the southeast corner. Then, all of the parking that's more in this gray shaded area is for the buses themselves. They are proposing to construct just one yehicular crossing of the drain here and, then, a pedestrian bridge crossing here to allow the driyers to haye easier access to the administration building. Meridian City Council Meeting February 11, 2003 Page 18 of 45 You should haye receiyed in your packets a letter from Irma Atkinson, who did raise a few concerns there about impacts on the existing neighborhood and traffic. I believe she also testified at the P&Z Commission Hearing and the Commission took her concerns into account with their motion. The Highway District is not recommending -- I'll just go back so you can see the larger picture here. In terms of the access onto Franklin Road, those two points, the Highway District, since they do not have this in their five year work program, are not purchasing any new right of way, nor is there any form of access control and a signal being required by them. There was some discussion about the landscaping on the site and at the Planning and Zoning Commission level the Commission did recommend that they proYide perimeter landscaping fully around the project, with the exception of this southern boundary that's going to be next to the Sanitary Service Company project. They allowed no trees in that section, but they did -- one tree eyery 35 lineal feet for the rest of the perimeter is what the Commission recommended. They are proposing a recycled type of asphalt for the bus parking area and, then, standard asphalt for the employee parking area. That is going to be striped, but that is a material that will be a little different but staff and -- did look into that and we don't see any problems with that alternative material. That's alii have. Corrie: Any discussion of staff from Council at this point? Okay. This is a Public Hearing. Is the representative of the request here this eyening? Raise your right hand, please. Is the testimony you are about to giye the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Thomas: Yes. Corrie: Name and address, please. Thomas: Michael Thomas. I'm a representative of Lombard-Conrad Architects, 1221 Shoreline Lane, Boise, Idaho. I'm a representatiYe of the Joint School District for this project. Just to start, Mayor Corrie, Members of the Council, clarifications on the project site as you see it there. Both crossings we -- across the lateral will be constructed under this project. We need to haye both crossings to get circulation around the perimeter of the lot. The asphalt drives around the bus parking, that will be asphalt paYing as well, just to note that, and the only recycled asphalt is strictly the parking area for the buses. There is also one mention prior to Planning and Zoning's comments that the administration building is two-story. It is basically still just a single story building with high clear story windows. With that said, I'd like to just point out that we have also written a letter under this modification. Planning and Zoning requested that we slat the northern boundary with slatted -- yision slats with a chain link fence, which we allotted for. The other three boundaries will be a six-foot chain link fence un-slatted. Howeyer, the east property line is currently being constructed with the Marcon deyelopment and it will, too, also be slatted. At a request, since we enhanced this site design, we'd like to propose a potential deduct alternate in the lower staff parking area south of the lateral, as well as deduct alternate area over to the west -- the west corner of the bus parking. The reason being is if the site development costs become extensive during the bidding process, our initial face bid will include paYing and recycle paYing that entire area. If we Meridian City Council Meeting February 11. 2003 Page 190145 need to cut our budget back, we would like to propose just gravel separating that area, leaving it undeveloped at this point in time, putting in catch basins to collect the runoff and getting those over to the storm basin areas. Then, once, in a three to five year impact of time, the School District will most likely grow to that 350 complete build out for their buses. At that point in time, we'd like to come in and, then, complete that parking lot in its entirety. It is our hopes, though, that that won't be necessary, that we can construct the entire project initially. It will be less expensiye the first time around, than the second time around, so just to point out that, as well as just our -- we request on the southern portion of the site and the undeyeloped parcel area west of the Sanitary Services property, the sidewalk is still being requested to be put in along Franklin Road. The sidewalk currently is on the Caparelli Subdivision to the east. Sanitary Services will, again, put in sidewalk under their deyelopment, I belieye, but as far as sidewalk to the west, passed the parcel, there is no sidewalk. What we are hoping to do is still postpone the sidewalk deyelopment until we can plat a parcel of that undeveloped area and at that point in time, we can haye a little better handle of how that sidewalk will inevitably tie into Sanitary Services. The height, and the location, because as it is right now, it needs to be a dedicated additional 18 foot right of way or an easement of an 18- foot additional right of way due to the fact that Franklin Road is not dedicated as a 94- foot right of way at this point in time. They have no purchase price to purchase that additional right of way needed to make that 60-foot right of way to a 94-foot right of way. I belieye I have stated that properly. That's just where we stand currently with the project. Corrie: Okay. Council, are there questions at this time? Nary: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: So, if I understand you, then, you disagree with the recommendations from Planning and Zoning Commission with regards to the sidewalk? Thomas: We don't disagree. What we'd like to do is postpone it until the future deyelopment of those three -- potentially three or four lots to the east -- or to the west of Sanitary Services, what we'd like to do is proceed with development of the northern parcel. Once we get going with that project, we are going to come in and re-plat that western lot area and at that point in time do all the landscape buffers with sidewalks at that time. Nary: But if I read -- if I read the letter from Mrs. Atkinson correctly, their concern is when is that going to happen and so that may -- that sidewalk may not be developed for a fairly lengthy period of time. I think that's their concern, so what time period are you talking about if we are going to delay it? Indefinitely or do you have a specific time frame? Thomas: It's the School District's position not to hold onto this property for any length of Meridian City Council Meeting February 11, 2003 Page 20 of 45 time. We are potentially trying to proceed with that platting process immediately after this project and, hopefully, we can get that turned around within the next year. As far as when that is deyeloped, it would be a future buyer that would haye to come in and do that at that point in time. Nary: So, when the other -- somebody else comes and buys the property to the west, then, the School District is wanting to put in the sidewalk, then? Thomas: Well, I guess not necessarily when they buy it. What we are looking at is when somebody purchases it and proceeds with the deyelopment of that lot, then, at that point in time put in the sidewalk, all the landscape buffers make them conform to all the necessary requirements of Planning and Zoning and the applicable landscape issues at that point. Nary: So, they are platting -- so the platting really isn't the issue, it's the -- so the platting really isn't the issue that you're talking about, you're talking about the development of that site, which, really, from the comments that we have received from Mrs. Atkinson -- I mean what their concern is, is what could that be? That might be ten years from now. Thomas: That could possibly be but, in the same respect, that's all undeveloped property now as it stands. Nary: Well, we got to get that sidewalk there a little at a time. I guess that's just the way to do it. Thomas: That's fine. We are just asking that request and if it is a big concern, we don't have a problem with putting it in now. It just seems kind of the cart before horse a little bit is all. Nary: Thank you. Corrie: Any other questions? Okay. Thank you. Thomas: Thank you. Corrie: This is a Public Hearing. I believe for this -- is it Elenore Masters? Who? Oh. Elenore Martin. Oh. Okay. Sorry if I butchered your name, but I apologize to you. Martin: That's all right. I'm Elaine Martin. Corrie: Is the testimony you are about to give the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Martin: It is. Meridian City Council Meeting February 11, 2003 Page 21 of 45 Corrie: Name and address, please. Martin: Elaine Martin, Meridian, Idaho. I'm the majority owner of Marcon, Incorporated. We are directly to the east of this project. It looks like a well thought out and good use of the ground and we welcome them as neighbors and hope you will approve it. Corrie: Okay. Thank you. Any questions? Nary: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: Now, Ms. Martin, I assuming, though, you want the sidewalk now, not someday? Or does it matter? Martin: I don't think it matters, because to put it in wrong means you have to take it out later and fix it and it seems like a much more appropriate time to put it in -- you know, I'm sure with the school's budgets they are not going to want to hold onto that yery long. My assumption is that they will put it in correctly the first time when the owners of the ground are determined to the west there. Nary: So did I misread your letter or did you haye a change of heart? Thomas: I didn't send a letter. Nary: Oh. De Weerd: That was Irma Atkinson. Nary: Oh. That's right. I'm sorry. Martin: Yes. It seems to me like until you're really sure who is going to own those parcels, that putting in the sidewalk is premature. Nary: Thank you. Corrie: That's all that had signed up. Is there anyone else from the public that would like to issue testimony on this Joint School District NO.2? Okay. Council, any questions for the Public Hearing on the two -- Items 12 and 13? De Weerd: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. De Weerd: I guess while the Public Hearing is still open, just -- I would agree on the sidewalk. It's - on these principal arterials or these major roadways, we really want to Meridian City Council Meeting February 11. 2003 Page 22 of 45 be careful with the sidewalk placement, you know, to prefer a detached - you don't know how the road's going to align. I agree with Ms. Martin that they will haye to most likely go in and tear it up and replace -- you know, put in a different one once something is known in that lot that would be to the north of this, so that sidewalk would be going nowhere in front of nothing. I just would agree that we would require that as that land is deyeloped. That's just my personal opinion. Corrie: Ride your bicycle on there and it ends up on -- De Weerd: In the dirt. Corrie: We haye got a few of those around now. Is there other discussion? Comments? Okay. Hearing none, I will entertain a motion, then, to close the Public Hearing on Item Numbers 12 and 13. McCandless: So moyed, Mr. Mayor. De Weerd: Second. Corrie: Motion has been made and seconded to close the Public Hearing on Item Number 12, request for a Conditional Use Permit, and Item Number 13, request for a variance. All those in fayor say aye. Okay. Motion is approved. MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT Corrie: Now, then, comments? Discussion? Shall I take the silence, as being everybody understands what they want to say? Nary: I wouldn't go that far. Corrie: You wouldn't go that far. Okay. Well, let's take them one at a time, then. This is a request a Conditional Use Permit for a bus facility in an I-L zone for Joint School District No.2. Any discussion on that request? Okay. I will entertain a motion. McCandless: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mrs. McCandless. McCandless: I move that we approye the request for a Conditional Use Permit for a bus facility in an I-L zone for Joint School District No.2 by Joint School District No.2, 2170 West Franklin Road and have the attorney draw up the proper papers. Nary: And regards to the sidewalk? McCandless: I'm sorry. Yes and including the -- no, that's on the Variance, isn't it? Meridian City Council Meeting February 11, 2003 Page 23 of 45 Corrie: No. That's on the Conditional Use Permit the Variance is just for the cul-d-sac only. McCandless: Okay including the - how do I word that? De Weerd: Item Number 3 on the recommendation of item 3 -- A-3 under site-specific requirements. Corrie: Okay. On the staff report. Okay. Nary: Were you wanting to -- Mr. Mayor? Sorry. Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: Mrs. McCandless, were you wanting it to be that the construction of the sidewalk would not have to be done until the -- McCandless: That's correct. Nary: -- lower -- I guess southern portion of the property adjacent to Franklin Road was platted and developed? McCandless: Yes. That would be part of my motion. Nary: Second. Corrie: Okay. Motion has been made and seconded. Is there any further discussion? Nichols: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mr. Nary -- or, excuse me, Mr. Nichols. Wrong attorney. Nichols: Question for the Council to consider and that is if you say only the property that's adjacent and if they come in and they plat those -- as shown on their drawing where those -- the western part of that property would be put into three lots, do you intend only the lot on Franklin to mandate that's when sidewalk goes in or would it be when anyone of those three potential lots on that western parcel is -- McCandless: I would think it would be anyone of the three. Nichols: Okay. I just wanted to raise that issue, so you can discuss it. Right now it's not platted, so if right now you say that it's only to be constructed when that-- McCandless: Or anyone of the three. Nichols: -- portion or any part thereof is developed, then, that would be sufficient. Meridian City Council MeeUng February 11. 2003 Page 27 of 45 the same as the other ones we haye approyed recently for the same reason, to try to sort of mix and match what we got? Hawkins-Clark: Right. It is. You know, in this case certainly, though -- I mean the one is -- meets the findings on the Variance yery clearly, since there is already constructed Baldwin Park up here and there just really is no -- there is nothing for them to stub to, so even if they wanted to, they couldn't break it up. The other two are, as you say, you know, in that same family of yariances that -- that we have been requiring them to go through the process, because, technically, by definition of the ordinance, the way that we have measured blocks, it's exceeding it, but - Nary: Well -- and, then, technically, they could break up the ones even on the Baldwin Park, they could put the open space there right? Hawkins-Clark: Well, the block would -- the open space is considered a lot within the block. Nary: Oh. Hawkins-Clark: So, that wouldn't necessarily do it. Nary: Thank you. De Weerd: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. De Weerd: Brad, what are the -- I believe that McMillan is supposed to be a three lane? Hawkins-Clark: That's correct. De Weerd: And, Meridian is that a five lane or is that a three lane? Hawkins-Clark: I belieye that's three as well. De Weerd: Now, as we look at these, don't we want our higher densities more along a mass transit -- you know, along a route that's really going to support alternative transportation -- and this we have a high density deyelopment being proposed on three lane roads. It just seems a little bit out of place. I didn't see the correlation on our Comp Plan. I know it -- I think I remember it really saying medium density, but -- now this is a higher density. I know it supports the neighborhood center concept, but is this the place for it? This one other concern now that I'm talking just the three lane road and the higher densities, their open space -- or a couple of them -- two of their open spaces are surrounded by houses that there is yery little Yisual into them. You know, if all those people were to put up fences, you have got a real problem area. I -- and I didn't read -- this one of the applications I didn't read the P&Z discussion, but -- and maybe they haye Meridian City Council MeeUng February 11, 2003 Page 28 of 45 already addressed some of those issues, but I would appreciate it if those haye been thought of issues. Hawkins-Clark: If I could, just on the first item, as far as the higher density, you know, it is medium density in the Comp Plan, which is three to eight dwelling units per acre. ObYiously, at this point we don't know what their density would be for that larger undeyeloped area, so it is kind of tough when we can certainly tie them, if the Council wanted to go that way, to a -- you know, a ceiling density as a part of the annexation or Development Agreement, if that's a concern. I think there is -- on the northern side of McMillan, here we do haye a future neighborhood center designated. I think that there is some -- you know, some basis to argue that since it's directly across the street from a future neighbor center now granted, that adds quite a bit of questions. Are we going to be able to support our neighborhood centers at the half - mile or are they all going to eventually shift over to the intersection of two arterials. If that happens, then, just what I just said kind of gets blown out of the water, but if we keep that center there, particularly as a three lane, I don't think it's - a three lane means that you can't have a bus service necessarily. I think you certainly could in the future haye a bus service along McMillan Road and the North Meridian Area Plan. As you will hear in a couple of months when that comes up, you know, is looking at McMillan Road as kind of a little bit more sort of neighborhood profile, neighborhood friendly kind of streets, since you haye Chinden as a future seyen lane one mile up, Ustick as a future fiye lane, you know, McMillan in the middle kind of makes sense to stay three, but you could still keep it design wise to the point where, you know, turnoffs or bus stops or whateyer could certainly work. Those are some points as to the higher density. The open space configuration, I -- certainly, you know, the fencing issue could be discussed. Maybe we should just have the applicant address as to what they propose. The first open space area that you come to is on the collector here. If I recall, you were referring to the one on the east and the south? De Weerd: Yes. Hawkins-Clark: Because they are both surrounded by houses. De Weerd: Okay. We can ask the applicant to address that. Just one other thing is if at all possible when we get these applications in front of us -- and I know it's something I'd like to see ACHD or the traffic studies and those kinds of things. I would like to see a larger picture of the surrounding approyed subdiyislons and how they are connecting to it and I'm relying on my memory to remember what Baldwin Park and -- that was just recently, so it's easier to recall, and what Cedar Springs to the south of that area all look like and how they are connected in. I would like a better visual of how it's all molding together, so you can really see if this was a nice addition. It's hard looking at it just one piece at a time. Hawkins-Clark: We can certainly provide that. The Highway District has done an aerial photo recently that oyerlays all of the approved subdiyisions in north Meridian just this last month. Meridian City Council Meeting February 11, 2003 Page 32 of 45 Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. De Weerd: What are the goals for this? You know what kind of market are you attracting? Fluke: The lots in the deyelopment run from 7,000 square feet at the low end, up to almost 17,000 square feet on some of the larger cul-d-sac lots. The average lot size runs almost 9,000 square feet, over 8,900 square feet. Development -- you know, these lots will probably run in the neighborhood of starting at about 45,000 and going up. Lot price is typically about a quarter of the cost.of the deyeloped lot, so 160,000 or so and up. That's for the detached single-family. Of course, this will be a different sort of a market and without a layout I'm not -- I can't giye you hard numbers, but, you know, we are talking 4,000 square foot lots with attached single family dwellings, different kind of market, empty nesters and some first time home buyers for that. People who don't generally want to take care of a lot of yard space when they buy those. De Weerd: And for your open space, do you haye any plans to put amenities in them or are they just open green areas? There is nothing wrong with open green areas, but I'm just asking. Fluke: That's how they are designed at the current time. We haye not proposed any structures for those open spaces. Nary: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: Is the properties that border Baldwin Park and the first part of Cedar Springs, are they all compatible to the lot sizes that are adjacent? Fluke: Certainly within Cedar Springs they are. I can't speak for Baldwin Park, but I think that they are - perhaps. Brad, do you know the answer to that question? I guess Gary is indicating to me that Baldwin Park has a little bit smaller lots. Maybe they are R-8. Hawkins-Clark: Yes. They are R-8. I believe they did haye a little larger on that end, but I do not know exact square footage of those lots. Fluke: I think we are essentially compatible with single-family on single-family. There might be some difference in the lot sizes, but it sounds like we are maybe a little bit bigger. Nary: Let me ask you, too so this particular lot, which fronts your main entrance street in here, this is just also going to be just a big grass -- Meridian City Council Meeting February 11, 2003 Page 33 of 45 Fluke: Well, there will be trees and landscaping as well but yes, it's meant to be open and proYide a play field for soccer or other -- you know. " Nary: On this one here, where are the trees and landscaping just along the front? Fluke: I don't have a landscape plan in front of me. Brad, do you? Nary: In addition, while Brad's looking at that, are these other -- I'm assuming these smaller ones are primarily drainage is that correct? Fluke: That's correct. Nary: What about these big ones, are they also used for drainage or -- Fluke: They would accommodate drainage, but they are designed to be for actiye open space as well. Nary: What's your plan or -- for timing wise on this? I guess what I'm a little bit concerned with is that if we approye this plat, we haye pretty much locked in -- there are very few other alternatiye uses for this site, other than what you propose today, and I guess I'm not sure I'm totally sold on what you're proposing today, so how long is it are you planning to -- before you bring this piece back? Fluke: Well, you know, I don't know that I can giye you an answer that will be satisfactory for you. That's really up to the client and the market. As you well know, there have been a whole lot of lots approved out in this area just in the last year or so. I think I counted close to 3,000 somewhere in the process in your ten square miles up there. All I can tell you is that we will plat that as a lot. It is an entryway to the project, it's not going to detract -- be allowed to detract from the project, and the client's not interested in that. He is interested in bringing the project forward, but I don't know what his time line is. This particular client has three projects going in this area right now, so - - I mean he's committed to the area and I don't know -- I can't tell you for sure what the time line is, but sooner, rather than latter, is what -- Corrie: Brad? Hawkins-Clark: Yes. Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, they are showing on the landscape plan that was submitted deciduous shade trees here across the frontage, they are showing a grouping of trees in this comer, and about four trees along the back there. They are showing a fiye-foot wide asphalt path that kind of meanders through the south end and, then, comes and hooks into the sidewalk that is along this public street. Nary: One last thing. These are single-family homes right here. Correct that is adjacent to this office complex, is that -- Fluke: That's correct. They will haye to do -- I mean we will haye to fence the Meridian City Council Meeting February 11, 2003 Page 35 of 45 Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: I guess I'm not sure if this really is a question. You had mentioned, Mr. Fluke, about the number of lots we haye approved in that particular area, the north area. I think Brad had raised the same issue that we haye -- we have approved a number of different types of projects and the parcel across the street, there is some relationship to it, the neighborhood center across the street of this, in regards to roadway and the density. I guess timing wise I guess I'm a little apprehensive, although I see a lot of positives here, I'm a little apprehensive in approving this project without really looking at a bigger picture of this area right now and especially in relation that some of this stuff is driven by some of the other developments and how they are developing and, again, I noticed a number of - a couple of comments in here about the neighborhood center across the street and its relationship to the project. I mean what are your thoughts on that? I guess it seems like this is a number of -- again, a large number of people, a large deyelopment that I recognize it's going to take a few years to build out. With the volume of projects that we have approved at this point, how does this fit in and relate to those and is it something that we at least need to look at and how all these other ones are going in relationship to this one. Fluke: I think I understand where you're coming from on that and if I understand the question right, you're essentially asking is this maybe premature given what's around it or, more importantly, what's not around it at the current time. I guess I can only answer that by saying that the city is in a difficult position with regard to the development proposals and timing. I mean once you established your Comprehensive Plan and your zoning ordinance when you got applications in that comply with those things. I mean there are no findings that talk about timing, there are findings that talk about appropriate services for these, which we, of course, provide, sewer, water, roads. That's all there. You do have land designated across the street for a neighborhood center. I think that will be an incredible amenity for this project if it's built the way the plan envisions those to be built. We don't haye the option of putting that on our property. If we did, that's probably something that we would have done, but I just -- I don't know how the city can hold up one development while it waits for something across the street to go in that we don't haYe any idea when it might go in. We can only assume that the area will develop in accordance with the plan and that if it -- if we bring in a development that's in accordance with the plan, you know, we would expect that it will be compatible with the other things that come in around it. I understand that, I haye dealt with this issue from both sides, from Ada County and writing ordinance for other cities and it's a difficult question, I don't haye a great answer for you. Nary: Thank you. De Weerd: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. Meridian City Council Meeting February 11, 2003 Page 36 of 45 De Weerd: I haye another question. In Baldwin Park I think to the south of it the middle school is going in and I know in - somewhere in Cedar Springs an elementary school is planned. Looking at connectivity -- that you haye adequate connectivity at least for the foot path and pedestrian types of connectivity to those areas, do you feel that that is sufficient to get those kids to those schools without making them walk down one of your really long block lengths to get all messed around. Fluke: While we are here on the Yicinity map, this is Cedar Springs to the south. This here is Cedar Springs NO.3 that's currently under design now. The school sits about a quarter mile south here. We have a stub street approximately in that location right there. This is Baldwin Park. I believe this is the parcel for the middle school. We have two stub streets into Baldwin Park and I guess the short answer to that is the connection -- the distance is going to be the same regardless, because the connection is going to be on the public road system and so those stubs are there. Yes, I don't think that we could achieye better connectiYity with regard to the schools and the regional park, by the way, which is also south of Cedar Springs, than what we haye got. The best, safest place for the kids to moye through there is on the local public road system, the local streets, because they will have full curb, gutter, and sidewalk. It will be no big deal -- I mean, yeah, the distance is going to end up being a half a mile or more -- actually, it's going to be closer to a mile if you're liYing up in this area, three quarters, but we couldn't make it any shorter by adding any paths. The road connections are where they are. De Weerd: Brad, can you go back to the plat so, it would be those two stubs, then, in the southwest corner? Fluke: That's correct. Now, this goes into Cedar Springs as well and, of course, that will connect to the Cedar Springs road system to the school and the park as well. What was already approved preliminarily were lots backing up against the White Drain, we do cross that White Drain twice and I can just about guarantee that Settler's isn't going to want any other kind of pedestrian crossings. I mean it's all we can do to get public road crossings across those things. De Weerd: Yes. I'm just surprised that they are leaving that along McMillan open. That thing is -- runs yery fast. Fluke: It's a large structure. De Weerd: I can't belieye you guys hayen't talked about a playground or a basketball court. Nary: I didn't say I was going to vote for it, either, did I. Corrie: Any other questions while he's here? Okay. Anyone else like to issue testimony? JUB Engineers is here, so -- they are talking. Okay. Hearing none, Council, any other questions on the Public Hearing? Meridian City Council Meeting February 11, 2003 Page 37 of 45 McCandless: Move to close the Public Hearing. Nary: Second. Corrie: Motion has been made and seconded to close the Public Hearing on Items 14, 15 and 16. Any further discussion? All those in favor say aye. All ayes. Motion carried. MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT Corrie: Okay. Discussion? De Weerd: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. De Weerd: I guess coming into this I had initial concerns that I believe have been addressed, in particular what would happen in the unplatted area with the higher density allowance. I do like the mixture of light office to serve the neighborhood community around it. You know, the open space, there is nothing real special about it and -- but I don't really haye an issue with it either, so it's just -- it's a nice plan, but we sure have seen a lot of them lately. Nary: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: I'm tired of asking people for basketball courts and paths and if they don't want to do it, then, that's fine, that they live with whatever they got. There are some really good things here and I do think that's to be commended. I mean I think it is compatible to the other subdivisions and the bordering properties, I think there is some green space, I'm not super impressed with a big blank green space right here, I think this should be their showcase for this particular subdivision. I assume there is probably some concern by the developer that if they put a tremendous amount of amenities in here it would draw more public into this private facility, people from the offices and people just from the public driving into here. Again, there is not a lot of parking area and I'm going to assume looking at this that this is probably not going to have parking on the street, but I guess we don't know that. They haye done some really good things and some of this looks -- and I know this is just a drawing and it may not ultimately look like that, it looks awfully narrow in here. There is a lot of very -- concerns about these type of areas, but I would agree, there is probably just as much safety that's protected by that type of development as there is -- and having it sort of feel like it's hidden. I agree that there are probably some real pluses here. I am also, though, concerned, as Councilwoman de Weerd is, by this piece here, because it appears to me that approving this project as platted and is presented to us. It's really limited whatever use this property could be and the access - I'm assuming to McMillan it would only be through this point right here Meridian City Council Meeling February 11. 2003 Page 38 of 45 and not actually directly onto McMillan, we don't know if these other pieces are going to be next to it. Again, I echo the same concem we raised at the outset, was that we haye approved a lot of these, we haye looked at a lot of these, we have got a lot of areas in this northern piece that have been approved to this point and I guess the one thing we would recognize is that our only means of timing these things is annexation. We don't have any other tool for us. There is a lot of -- in the staff report and in the minutes that the -- I guess the positives of this project are also somewhat related to the projects around them. Some of it is related to the project, the potential neighborhood center across the street, which right now doesn't exist, and I guess, again, without knowing -- without seeing the big picture it's very hard. Last week I think we spent an hour and a half talking about a basketball court that never happened. I don't want to spend an hour and a half talking about making that grass better than just grass, but I am concerned that at some point we have to say let's see the big picture so we have a relationship between this project and the other projects. We have had the luxury with Lochsa Falls and Bridgetower's, that they were huge parcels that had probably five times as many homes in some of them or three times as many homes. They could do all of the different things because the size of their project was enormous and we don't -- now we are facing some of those that are not in-fill, but, yet, they are still -- they still have to have a significant relationship to the projects around them. I just, frankly, cannot possibly remember them all as to how they relate to each other. My concern is we can approve this one today, but we really need to get a better grasp on what's around this project or we can wait -- we can wait on this one for a week or two and see what else is around it, so that we have a comfort leyel that we aren't creating our own problem. That sooner all of our citizens are going to come and say when are you going to stop, when are you going to look at the big picture. I'm not trying to hold up this project, I'd liked Cedar Springs before, and I think I was on the Commission when we approyed it twice. I mean I'm not as concerned about this, but at some point we have to say we need to re.evaluate or at least evaluate what we are doing in the north and feel comfortable that everything relates to each other. I would say -- I mean there are some things about this that are kind of routine looking at it. I recognize there some sizes there, they have some yariety to them, but I do have some concerns about just simply approving this one again, like the other ones that we haye had some heartburn with the next phase and next week. Corrie: Well, let me interject something here. I agree wholeheartedly with what you're saying, Mr. Nary. I think we can direct - if you want this project to go on and you approve it, I think you can direct that the Planning and Zoning do give you the big picture on these from now on. I agree you need to look at them, they need to be in contents with what's going on around them, and if that's your desire, then, I would say make it known to the Planning and Zoning that any of these coming in the future will haye all that around them, so you can see it. That is your priYilege as the Council to do that, to demand that, and -- or you can do it now. It's your choice but I think that that's very true, we need to do that and see the big picture, because, folks, that 12 square miles is a lot of homes and it better fit and, you better make that known right now to the deyelopers that that's going to be a prerequisite. That's what I -- that's the way I look at it. Mrs. McCandless, do you haye anything that you'd like to say? Meridian City Council Meeting February 11, 2003 Page 39 of 45 McCandless: Just that I would like to see the big picture, because we are going to have an area out there, if we are not careful -- and I like your suggestion of asking the Planning and Zoning to include those views of everything around them, because we are going to have a development out in the north that is just millions of houses and no particular separation between them. I -- I don't want eyerything to look just alike out there. I have had people come to me and say when are you going to stop. I think we need to take a little more time about these -- these subdivisions. I don't disapprove of this one, but I would like to see the big picture. Corrie: Any other comments? Are you ready to go for Item Number 14, the request for annexation and zoning at this time. Any discussion? De Weerd: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. De Weerd: I guess when I started my comments at the beginning of this application asking for how it relates to the surrounding approved applications, I would imagine the time to really have continued this would haye been before closing the Public Hearing. I don't know if Council is ready to act on this at this point from, one, hearing the others would like that kind of relationship comparison as well. Again, I think the applicant has answered my questions as far as the relationship to the schools and to the other -- the other connecting subdivisions, I feel comfortable with it at this point. Maybe it's not with this particular application that we hold it up to say we want. to see this, but for future applications. I feel comfortable today passing on it, because of the information that they gave me, but I don't know what your comfort leyels are. Nary: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: I think it's because we have -- because there is this pretty fairly large platted piece that may have, again, some other impact on this deyelopment, the roadway -- I mean -- and, again, I'm not trying to be difficult, like I say. I was very happy with the other Cedar Springs, I'm not unhappy with this, but I do have a concern with that big blank piece and the relationship to the others. I think Councilwoman de Weerd is correct that they haye done a yery good job of showing connectiYity to schools and the like, but if it's not -- if it's not this piece, it's going to be something else, and, realistically, again, I think there is a concern about how that very large, unplatted piece, is going to work in relation. Realistically, if we approve this, there is not much else they can do with it, except what their concept is bringing forward right now. I'd much rather -- I guess I would feel more comfortable if we reopened the Public Hearing and continued this matter -- and I don't know -- and I don't know how long it would take Planning and Zoning to give us that type of information, whether it's one or two weeks -- I'm not trying to delay something tremendously, but there are some questions here that I guess I .- I Meridian City Council Meeting February 11. 2003 Page 40 of 45 don't want to be sitting down tomorrow saying, well, we should have done it again and we didn't. I have done that enough and I don't want to keep doing that and I'm not trying to hold up this one for any particular reason, other than there are some unanswered questions about it that I think we are going to be left with if we just simply approve it. I would rather haye at least some idea of what the remainder -- .at least around this area looks like before we simply just approye it. De Weerd: Was that a motion? Nary: I'd move we reopen the Public Hearing. McCandless: Second. Corrie: Okay. Motion has been made and seconded to reopen the Public Hearing on Items 14, 15, and 16. Any further discussion? All those in fayor say aye. All ayes. Motion carried. MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT Corrie: Okay. Then Mr. Nary. Nary: Mr. Mayor. Brad, would one week be adequate to at least give us a better idea of the surrounding developments -- what's at least before you, what's being proposed, so we have some idea in relation to others what those are? I mean we can deal with the future ones, as the Mayor has suggested, of bringing that information for each project, but would one week be adequate for you or your staff to put together something in relation to this project of what we are talking about, so we have some idea of what it looks like in relation to the surrounding property? I'm talking about what's been approyed and what's proposed in the surrounding area. Hawkins-Clark: What kind of scope are you -- would you like to see the whole north Meridian area, ten square miles, or are you talking just the immediate sections around this section? Nary: It would be real nice to haye 10 square miles, but I don't think you could do that very easily in a week, but -- I mean, obviously, that would be the ideal would be all of it. I recognize that's probably not yery practical, but we are probably looking at an area between -- this is -- we are certainly going to haye to look at -- this is on the half mile, so we are going to have to look at from Meridian Road to Linder and from Ustick to probably Chinden, because most of those large pieces north of McMillan are one or two parcels, mostly, in the northern section, so we are looking at -- De Weerd: I think four square miles, if you were to do it on the other side of Meridian Road and McMillan Road. Nary: Right. Yes. Meridian City Council Meeting February 11. 2003 Page 41 of 45 Hawkins-Clark: I was jotting down this -- as you were talking, you know, we do -. we certainly have been tracking some of this. I mean we -- as they come through, we are looking at the connections and we are looking at the Comprehensive Plan and -- but if what I'm hearing from you -- maybe an aerial photo, you know, with the Preliminary Plats that have already been approved oyerlaid on that aerial photo. We could show where the school locations are, we could show the total number of lots, and we could show the densities for that area. I think to really do it. I think two weeks would probably be helpful -- would be best. Nary: Well, then, I -- and that's why -- because I think that's the information that we are seekin~ and that being the case, I guess I would moye that we continue this matter until the 25 h -. continue this Public Hearing until the 25th of February for that further information from Planning and Zoning, continue all three items 14, 15, and 16. Corrie: Okay. Motion has been made. Do I hear a second? McCandless: I will second. Corrie: Okay. Motion has been made and seconded. I would like to add something right here for the Council and for Brad. This is going to make an excellent template for you in the future. Like you said, this aerial photograph and what's around it, you might just take that and run with it for the others that are around it, like we all discussed earlier, and use that as a template for other developers, that they are going to have to go through the same thing. McCandless: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mrs. McCandless. McCandless: I would like to ask Mr. Fluke a question before we vote on this. Would it be possible at all to -- by the 25th to haye some sort of an idea of what you're going to do with that empty space? Fluke: Well, we have an idea. That's what I described. You want me to give you a layout for it? I could give you a layout, but I don't think it would be -- it wouldn't mean anything more than our idea right now, because the client is not ready to lock in to what he wants to do. I mean it's an eleven-acre piece, 11, and a half acres, you know. We are confident we can make it work. It is designated for medium density residential by the Comp Plan. That's all we can do with it anyway. We are not -- I mean we don't need any other options, other than residential. It really just becomes a question of how it's laid out and we do have an additional connection to McMillan that we have secured with the Highway District. All we need to do is to decide where it's going to go and, then, lock it in with them and we do to need do something of a layout to put that in place, but so -- I mean I could do you -- I could a layout for it, sure, but, you know, it will probably change from that and maybe significantly. You will, of course, see it, because anything Meridian City Council Meeting February 11, 2003 Page 42 of 45 we do on that has to come back before this body. McCandless: Yes. I understand. Fluke: It's like they will be re-platted and so we will be right where we are right now. McCandless: But you're talking about multiple -- or two family -- four family apartment or -- Fluke: No. Attached single-family. McCandless: Attached single-family. Fluke: Yes. De Weerd: Duplexes, townhouses, or-- Fluke: Well, we are looking at a row house concept. Right now the R-B zone would mandate that we could only attach two dwellings at a time. It wouldn't allow us to attach four. It's not an allowed use. We would either haye to do a planned development or we would have to do a zone change to come in with the row house concept. It might be that we do haye two units attached and, then, two more and two more, you know, to get the row house effect. Of course, we will have the ten feet in between the ones that are not attached, that's if we go under the R-B zoning. De Weerd: But maybe not a -- specifically a layout, but more a general idea of the number of attached dwellings you will be looking at and if we could maybe yerify that you did haye the connection out onto McMillan from that area, but -- so a visual, maybe, on access point out and number of dwellings, approximately. You know, a range, at least. Fluke: Okay. Corrie: You might look at -- I don't know if you want to do it now, but diversify a little bit, you are going to have an older age group coming up, you may want to put something in there for them as well. There is other areas that will sell and if you have diversity, you're going to have a lot better neighborhood and to be a -- I don't know about a gated community so much, but you might think about that. We will have a chance to see the big picture of that at one time. Nary: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: Yes. The only other thing I would say, I would agree with Councilwoman de Weerd, I don't want to -- I don't necessarily want to haye to spend the time or the effort Mendian City Council MeeDng February 11. 2003 Page 43 of 45 in showing us a Concept Plan, where the layouts and all that are. We have had some bad experiences before with Kodiak, where they did giye us those and, then, it didn't look like that later and, then, that ends up being their problem, so we don't want that. I do think, like the Mayor said and Councilwoman de Weerd said, a little bit better idea of at least what we are talking about and what we are looking at would be helpful. Fluke: Okay. Corrie: Okay. The motion on the floor is for the 25111 of August. Nary: February. Corrie: February. Excuse me. The 25th of August. Gary? Thank you. All right. Any further discussion? Okay. All those in favor of the motion say aye. Okay and, then, we will continue the Public Hearing until August the 25th. MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT Corrie: Okay. With that being said, it looks like we are at the end of the day. Unless we haye any announcements that you would like to do, I will entertain a motion to close the -- Nary: Mr. Mayor? Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: And this is really a minor thing, but it's something that we have thought of for a long time, since, I guess, I haye been here. We haye -- all of our department heads are great to come here and sometimes they eyen haye input on certain projects, but sometimes they don't. I wondered if it's really the best use of some of their time to always have every one of them here. I guess this may be something to think about and, again, I don't always know we will need them, but I don't always know that it's the best use of their time just to be here for all of these meetings until the end of the meetings. I didn't know if some of you had already had discussions on or had any thoughts about, but -- I mean it's nice to have them, but I don't know that we always need to have them here, so -- Corrie: Yes. I -- perhaps only three reallyis necessary, the Public Works, Planning and Zoning, and the Police Department. We need all the protection we can get, so -- and I like to see their face. We had discussed this in staff meetings and we thought that maybe we could narrow it down a little bit and not haye everybody here, so we will discuss that and see what they come up with, if they'd like to, and we will bring it back for the next meeting or two. De Weerd: Mr. Mayor? Meridian City Council Meeting cebruary 11. 2003 Page 44 of 45 Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. De Weerd: I guess just a comment. You know, I know that Brad Watson is sufficient, unless Gary wants to watch his back for him. I know Gary likes to be here but in regards to Kenny and the two chiefs sitting oyer there, if -- I know if there is an issue that I would like clarified, if we can't look at it in advance, that -- we meet every single week. We can continue it one week for their input. I think we have caught Chief Worley off guard on occasion and asked him to comment and we wasn't -- he didn't feel comfortable doing that. It seems that we need that kind of delay anyway. No offense to Chief Worley that he's not prepared, but it's just we are not prepared for the question. I would appreciate it if your staff could discuss that and if you and department heads could just -- the appropriate people, they should be here. Corrie: Okay. Sounds good. De Weerd: Well, I thought I heard you say police, Planning and Zoning, and Public Works and -- Corrie: I was being facetious, but -- De Weerd: Oh. Corrie: -- the thing is, we haye discussed this and I want to discuss it again and, then, they can bring it back to -- De Weerd: Well, I don't want to leave them dangling. Corrie: Yes. Well, I don't think they dangle too much. Anything else? De Weerd: Mr. Mayor, I guess I do. Ada County Planning and Zoning has on their agenda on the 13111 to discuss Westborough. Do we haye any concern -- I only see that it's on here. Is there any concern about that project? Corrie: Brad? Hawkins-Clark: There are five one-acre residential lots. There is a school -- elementary school lot on Locust Groye. Then, they haye got a five-acre commercial lot on Chinden, which is just going to be left undeveloped at this point in time. De Weerd: Okay and that's what we had seen when they came in about this school connection -- or school utility is that correct? Hawkins-Clark: Right. De Weerd: You feel comfortable with it? Meridian City Council Meeting February 11. 2003 Page 45 of 45 Hawkins-Clark: Yes Public Works, do you -- Watson: Mayor and Council Members, they -- you haye directed us or agreed with us to run water and sewer services to the school site and also to the Valley Life Community Church to the north. The intersection of Locust Grove Road and Chinden, and we are proceeding with that. The fiye lots, the application states they will be individual septic and wells. I really don't haye any concern, although I got word about 4:30 today that Ada County Planning wants a letter from us justifying why we are not running water and sewer to those five lots so, I will be doing that tomorrow. I think I can justify it. De Weerd: Okay. Thank you. Mr. Mayor, I move we adjourn. Nary: Second. Corrie: Motion made and seconded to adjourn. All in favor say aye. MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES, ONE ABSENT Corrie: 9:12. MEETING ADJOURNED AT 9:12 P.M. 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