HomeMy WebLinkAbout2026-02-10 Work Session Meridian City Council Work Session February 10, 2026.
A Meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order at 4:30 p.m. Tuesday, April 8,
2026, by Mayor Robert Simison.
Members Present: Robert Simison, Luke Cavener, Liz Strader, John Overton, Doug
Taylor and Anne Little Roberts.
Members Absent: Brian Whitlock.
Other Present: Chris Johnson, Bill Nary, Laurelei McVey, Caleb Hood and Brian
McClure.
ROLL-CALL ATTENDANCE
X Liz Strader Brian Whitlock
_X_Anne Little Roberts _X_ John Overton
_X_ Doug Taylor _X—Luke Cavener
X Mayor Robert E. Simison
Simison: Council, we will call this meeting to order. For the record it is February 10th,
2026, at 4:30 p.m. We will begin this afternoon's work session with roll call attendance.
ADOPTION OF AGENDA
Simison: Next item up is adoption of the agenda.
Overton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Overton.
Overton: No changes to the agenda. I move we adopt as published.
Little Roberts: Second.
Simison: Motion and second to adopt the agenda. Is there any discussion? If not all in
favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay? The ayes have it and the agenda is agreed
to.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
CONSENT AGENDA [Action Item]
1. Approve Minutes of the January 27, 2026 City Council Work Session
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2. Approve Minutes of the January 27, 2026 City Council Regular
Meeting
3. State Avenue Flex Space Water Main Easement No. 1 (ESMT-2026-
0011)
4. Biltmore Company, LLC Bountiful Commons Subdivision Lot 5 Water
Main Easement No. 1 (ESMT-2026-0012)
5. Biltmore Company, LLC Bountiful Commons Subdivision Lot 6 Water
Main Easement No.2 (ESMT-2026-0014)
6. Costco Wholesale Warehouse Sanitary Sewer and Water Main
Easement No. 1 (ESMT-2026-0015)
7. Pura Vida Ridge Ranch Subdivision No. 1 Pedestrian Pathway
Easement (ESMT-2026-0019)
8. Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law Revised for Hill's Century Farm
Townhomes (H-2024-0072), by Brighton Corporation, generally
located at the corner of S. Tavistock Ave. and E. Hill Park St. with the
inclusion of the following parcels: R3636090060, R3636090040,
R3636080240, S1133212576 and R3636080110.
9. Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law for Mogul North (SHP-2025-
0005) by Ardurra, located at 4305 W. Grand Mogul Dr.
10. Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law for Mogul South (SHP-2025-
0006) by Ardurra, generally located 1/4 mile east of S. Black Cat Rd.
and 3/4 mile south of W. Franklin Rd.
11. Final Plat for Apex Northwest Subdivision No. 7 (FP-2025-0034) by
Brighton Corporation, located at near the northwest corner of S.
Locust Grove Rd. and E. Lake Hazel Rd.
12. Development Agreement (Rockwell Greens Neighborhood H-2025-
0002) Between City of Meridian and Gemini LLLP for Property
Generally Located at the Northwest Corner of State Highway 16 and
McMillan Rd.
13. Agreement Between Nampa and Meridian Irrigation District and the
City of Meridian for Pathway Across the Creason Lateral at Baratza
Subdivision
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14. Approval of Construction Contract to JCN Constructors, Inc. for
Digester 5 Seal Replacement and authorize the Procurement
Manager to sign and to issue the resulting purchase order
15. Approve Procurement Manager to Issue and Sign Fiscal Year 2026
Purchase Order to AXON Enterprises for the Not-to-Exceed amount
of $745,803.33 for Fiscal Year 2026 services
Simison: Next up is the Consent Agenda.
Overton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Overton.
Overton: No changes to the Consent Agenda, I move that we approve the Consent
Agenda, for the Mayor to sign and the Clerk to attest.
Little Roberts: Second.
Simison: Have a motion and a second to approve the Consent Agenda. Is there any
discussion? If not, all in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay? The ayes have it
and the Consent Agenda is agreed to.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
ITEMS MOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA [Action Item]
Simison: There were no items moved from the Consent Agenda.
DEPARTMENT REPORTS [Action Item]
16. Approval of Toll Brothers Bid Results for the Public Private
Partnership Agreement dated December 2, 2025
Simison: So, we will move on to Department Reports. First item up is Item 16, which is
approval of Toll Brothers bid results for public-private partnership agreement, dated
December 2nd, 2025. Director McVey.
McVey: Thank you, Mayor and Council. So, just as a reminder we, back in December,
entered into this agreement with Toll Brothers. Essentially they were -- will pay for a
portion of a trunk line that was in our CFP that was -- the city was planning to pay for.
They will construct it and, then, we will reimburse them for half of those costs when the
costs were planned in our CFP. So, we signed that agreement back in December. In
that agreement there were several clauses. One was that we could bring the contract
back to Council if the bid was over the engineer's estimate. We did just get the bids
back. Four bids. One was deemed noncomplete. They ranged from 7.3 million to 15.6
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million. Our engineer's estimate was 6.6 million, so a little bit shy of the low bid, which
is not totally uncommon in our current bidding scenario, but we wanted to come forward
and Public Works is still recommending that we proceed with this project, primarily
because it saves significant cost for the city based on what -- doing it ourselves in the
next couple of years. So, just give you that update. I don't think we need a formal vote,
but just kind of -- I guess you can correct me, but just kind of acceptance that
everybody's okay moving -- continuing with the signed agreement. We don't have to
change it.
Simison: Thank you. And, ultimately, Council, I would appreciate at least a voice vote
on this item, rather than —
McVey: Okay.
Simison: -- head nods on that. So, any questions from Council?
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Does this represent the totality of the project cost or what other costs would be
left once this bid is awarded?
McVey: Good question. So, there are a couple of ancillary costs. So, 50 percent of the
construction cost in the contract we did agree to a cap of five percent of change orders.
And, then, we did agree to some project construction manager costs and some soft
costs. So, we have a couple hundred thousand dollars more than just the bid costs, but
those have all been accounted for.
Strader: Thank you.
Taylor: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Taylor.
Taylor: Laurelei, can you — you might just be reminding me of what I have already
heard you say, so I apologize. As we move forward and if there are some big cost
overruns as the project moves ahead, what obligation do we have as a City Council?
Would you be coming back with budget amendments? Does it have to fit within what
they are scoping out here for us? Just kind of walk me through that, because I
understand an environment where bidding and inflation and massive construction
driving costs here in the Treasure Valley. I can understand why some of the bids would
come back where they are. Just want to make sure as we move ahead if things are
much higher than anticipated what protections do we have in the contract or the
agreement that we have right now?
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McVey: It protects us. Anything over that five percent cap is the sole responsibility of
the contractor. So, Toll Brothers. So, we would not be liable for anything above and
beyond. I think that equates to a little over 362,000 dollars. So, any unforeseen
circumstance -- if that occurred and it was something well above that I think Toll
Brothers would have to come back to you and ask for you to do an amendment to the
contract, but we would not be obligated to pay them more than that five percent cap.
Simison: Council, any additional questions or comments?
Little Roberts: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Little Roberts.
Little Roberts: If there are no other comments I would like to make a motion to approve
the Toll Brothers bid results and proceed with the partnership agreement dated
December 2nd, 2025.
Overton: Second.
Simison: I have motion and a second. Is there any discussion? Council Woman
Strader.
Strader: Sure. I just want to explain I was not in support of this process just
philosophically, because I don't believe that development should be leading our
infrastructure build. I believe that we should be leading it and, then, development
should follow in a more orderly way, but I respect that this is the direction that the
Council is going in and so I will vote in support of this because of that collective action
that we have taken.
Taylor: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Taylor.
Taylor: Can I just make a comment? I think we kind of dug into this quite a bit through
the budget setting process and some of the follow-up conversations and we feel like we
have -- we explored the -- you know, is the city protected, the private developer is --
seems fully aware of the risk they are on when it comes to this. So, yeah, I think -- I just
kind of want to remind ourselves that we kind of vetted this out. I feel like we are still on
safe ground and I think this is a — a good thing for the city, so I will be supporting it.
Simison: Anything further? If not, all in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay? The
ayes have it and the item is agreed to. Thank you very much.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
17. Downtown Overlay District and Design Guidelines Discussion
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Simison: Okay. With that we will move on to Item 17, which is Downtown Overlay
District and Design Guidelines discussion. Turn this over to Mr. McClure.
McClure: Mayor and City Council, as was just said, we are here to talk about design
standards and specifically an overlay approach to those downtown. Staff are here
tonight to follow up -- or this afternoon to follow up on discussion between MDC and
City Council regarding design standards. As a reminder one of the challenges is that
we have boundaries that -- boundaries and designations that are often inconsistent.
The challenge is that we end up with different design standards for adjacent properties,
sometimes even with a similar use. Existing tools can work, but are case by case and
are more subjective, relying on you or MDC for participation. The overlay approach is
intended to help with that. Our consistency check for standards that are based on
geography and not to zoning, properties retain underlying zoning or entitlements with an
overlay. Overlay design such as frontage requirements across underlying zoning.
Overlays may help to provide more consistency in development review across
properties regardless of base zoning and overlays do not delay or create additional time
in the development review process, at least themselves and sort of the disclaimer
asterisk there is that if we make design review -- if we make use of the design review
committee more often, which is some of the requests, that may increase when -- when
applicants don't follow the standards. The alternative process would be a committee
rather than staff. The approach for this work is contemplated as three phases. Tool.
Identify the geography and develop the standards. The idea here is to start making
progress without pre-committing to design outcomes. Start high and work into detail.
This preserves Council and allow some flexibility. Not starting with the most complex
work first and not making decisions -- and not making any one decision later unwieldy.
Some phases can occur simultaneously. In fact, most of these would need to start in
some fashion immediately just to get this done in a reasonable time frame. Creating the
tool is an amendment to the UDC. This would be to establish and authorize overlay
districts. Mechanically the primary purpose is to establish a hierarchy for administrative
processes. What does the overlay fit into? Where does the overlay fit into the context
of other decision points, administration and hearing decision processes, for example.
An overlay, just like a base zone, is usable anywhere in the city, but the purpose is to
put sideboards on the intent generally to downtown. What's left after -- after the overlay
district tool is created defining the area. The tool doesn't do anything without
understanding where the -- where this would apply and, then, of course, equally
important would be community standards. The geography phase and concept is simple.
Primary effort is just to codify the area and, then, show it on the map, into terms,
however, with the boundary drawing it is more complex. We have to be respectful
towards the comp plan, be aware of patchwork zoning related to what MDC is proposing
and find common ground in these elements. This step is more specific. Stakeholder
engagement is contemplated as we are actively -- and we would be inactive -- it would
be actively in a listening phase before making your recommendation to City Council. It
will take time to work through and I don't think it will be easy. Some consultant outreach
may be -- some consultant support may be helpful for -- for outreach. Development of
standards comes after this phase. Phase two is adopted before phase three and we
don't decide -- and we need to decide -- and we don't need to decide now, but clear
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process is needed on how redevelopment occurs in the interim. Luckily that's just
modifying the Architectural Standards Manual to say business as usual. But we would
need to be clear. And we don't have to do phase two and three at different times. It's
just -- they are sort of helpful buckets to think about this then. Phase three is more
involvement by more departments, more commissions, more agencies. Staff will likely
need consultant support for both outreach and technical review. There is budget and
paperwork there. We would draft standards for the public to respond to, for the
committee to respond to. Stakeholders would -- stakeholders would include residents,
businesses and some overview with designers, developers and info experts. Most of
this work, at least as currently envisioned, would be complementary to the Architectural
Standards Manual, with either modifications or new sections added. It's very possible
that we would identify other areas of city code that would also need to be touched up
through this work. An example would be Title 8, so not the UDC. There is a section in
there on the city core. We have a license agreement with ACHD for an area downtown,
that, for example, may need to be modified. It depends on the boundaries. And, if not,
previously, we would need to put a finer detail how the design review works.
mentioned this at the beginning, but, you know, if staff says no, because you don't meet
those standards and you fall outside of those -- those sideboards that these new
standards set, what does that look like for -- for appealing. So, does it go to design
review committee? If design review committee says no, who does that go to? Other
things have to be thought through. Here is a simple timeline that's proposed. This
looks linear, but not necessarily. Again, we would contemplate doing most of these at
the same time, they just would fall on different timelines to be completed. We would like
to have one overlay tool scheduled by the summer. We would like to have one -- some
understanding of the geography by the end of the year and, finally, to have the
completed bulk of the standards by next year -- summer -- summer next year. As an
aside, I do want to stress that this process is not going to be easy. Downtown design
review is complex anywhere. It often doesn't work. People don't finish it. People have
strong feelings and it is also easy to overcorrect. It's going to take hard work. It's going
to require difficult decisions and accountability. To cross the finish line is important.
This slide is a summary of the phased approach from the lens of Council decision
making. Each phase would require Council approval. Some of that may just be soft
approvals with final approval -- an ordinance, for example, later. But the goal is to keep
any one decision from getting too large at the end. Additional conversations may also
be beneficial or as Council desires and no functional process changes would occur
without Council decision. Today we are asking Council to confirm the general approach
here. I am also happy to take any questions or pivot as directed.
Simison: Thank you, Brian. Council, questions?
Taylor: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Taylor.
Taylor: First let me just say, Brian and Caleb, just really appreciate your work on this.
Been with you in a few meetings and just kind of listen to you think through it and talk
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through it and every time we kind of revisit this I can see a lot of work's been done in the
interim. So, I really appreciate that. Thought the memo was really well articulated. I
thought -- I had a lot of thoughts that were just sort of flowing in -- random in my mind
and you kind of helped crystallize it with the memo. So, I do appreciate that. A couple
of questions. Can you walk me through the process of what it would look like for the
code changes, sort of the step one, and my question is based in my recollection of
thinking of the Ten Mile overlay. I'm trying to understand your -- guessing it's quite a bit
of work to sort of update the UDC to kind of move in this direction. I would -- I was
working under the assumption that we could already do these kinds of overlays. But
just help me understand that a little bit better. I just want to kind of track along with that.
I kind of was under the assumption we could already do these overlays fairly easily, but
maybe that's not the case. So, could you just speak to that for a minute?
McClure: Mr. Mayor, Councilman Taylor, yeah. So, our current code -- it doesn't say we
can do overlays. It's just set up to implement it pretty easily. It is definitely the easiest
step to make any of this happen. So, I wouldn't say it's complex. It requires a lot of
work. I have already talked to legal about some of this -- some ideas. Like I said,
think we could start moving it forward really quickly. To your question on Ten Mile -- and
I'm not sure which overlay you mean. So, there is a Ten Mile Specific Area Plan. So,
that one struggles, because it was a vision -- vision document at the comp plan level. It
didn't have any codified rules and a lot of it was, frankly, ahead of its time. This would
be using our Architectural Standards Manual that we have now through -- through what
code already does, which is to establish administrative design review process and we
would be sticking that onto that. So, where the Ten Mile plan is sort of lofty vision, this
would just be -- this is actually what the book says and we follow that.
Taylor: Okay. Mr. Mayor, follow up?
Simison: Councilman Taylor.
Taylor: That's a great distinction. I appreciate that, because I was -- really I'm
envisioning when we get to the end of this process what we have decided on will be a
lot more binding and what we do and I do remember a discussion maybe a year and a
half ago about the Ten Mile Area Specific Plan and I remember in my mind thinking
there is nothing binding here. Like we can make some adjustments without really going
against something that's written that we have agreed we want to kind of follow. So, that
-- I appreciate that distinction. That -- that helps me understand that. Step two. We
have talked about what is downtown and sort of the geography around it and what do
we want to include in the overlay. But, then, we also talked about sub areas within that.
Can you -- and, again, I could maybe just be forgetting previous things I have said or
thought about that. Can you walk me through what -- as you have explored that what
does that look like? Because I was sort of musing here is the overlay area, but you are
-- in the memo at least it talks about these sub areas to identify. Can you just kind of
give me a little -- touch a little bit more on what that might look like?
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McClure: Mr. Mayor, Councilman Taylor, there is a lot of different boundaries that don't
align very well that we currently have. So, we have the city core, for example,
mentioned this in Title 8. We have the future land use by designation for Old Town. We
have zoning designations which are Swiss cheese. We have the Urban Renewal
District boundaries and, then, we have MDC's new Destination Downtown Plan 2.0,
which has some of its own boundaries. They don't -- they don't jive very well all those
things together and so we have to sort of understand what's the overall area where we
want to address and, then, that would be the overlay and, then, the standards
themselves could break into -- into greater distinction. For example, we have residential
areas on the west and east. MDC's plan calls for some focus on the railroad corridor,
the traditional city core where we are here at now, also known as the city core. So,
those standards could dive into greater detail. I don't have a preconceived notion for
what that looks like right now. I haven't been able to wrap my head around it.
Taylor: Okay.
Hood: Just maybe add a little bit more color to that. I think the idea, then, is that there
would be different standards in those areas; right? So, it's all within the overlay district,
but what applies and the standards we are looking for are going to vary geographically
within the overlay district.
Taylor: Okay. Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Taylor.
Taylor: And that -- I appreciate that, because that's kind of what I was thinking was the
unique characteristics within a broader overlay may not -- the standards we decide on
may not lend themselves well along the rail corridor versus, you know, closer to
Fairview or wherever that might be. So, okay, that answered my question. Thank you.
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: Brian, Caleb, I kind of want to stick with kind of the theme that Council
Member Taylor first introduced and as I was going through this I was thinking a lot about
the Ten Mile Specific Area Plan and Council Member Taylor flagged about a year and
change Council had some different interpretations or different direction about where we
should head the Ten Mile specific area plan, as opposed to what had been conceived
when the plan was put together and so that's kind of what's framing some of my
questions, which is does it make sense as we are kind of flushing overlay area that it
comes with either a reauthorization date or a sunset, thinking, okay, we think we know
what's best today. Is that going to be the same answer 20 years from now, 30 years
from now, 50 years now? Maybe. Maybe not. How do -- I think we have less flexibility
in kind of this overlay that maybe we have or had with the Ten Mile specific area plan.
I'm just trying to get a good sense about will there be a provision that will provide
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flexibility if the Council's direction changes and how do we formalize that, so that is
something that we either anticipate, again, either we are going to reauthorize it every 15
years or every ten years or, hey, this is going to run for a predetermined amount of time
and, then, sunsets unless there is an action taken by the Council?
McClure: Mr. Mayor, Councilman, part of that question would probably have to be for
Mr. Nary. This is a type of zoning. I don't know if you can sort of sunset a zoning -- the
overlay portion on properties. In terms of whether Council has different feelings or
things don't work out, you know, nothing's perfect and we might want to change. The
standards themselves are fairly easy to change. So, we could -- we could have that
process whenever we wanted. The -- the boundaries could be refined. The overlay
itself could be -- it would be a zoning map amendment, but the zone -- the overlay itself
could be amended. But, again, I don't know whether you can just sunset it or not. But
the standards themselves -- like I imagine what -- we haven't changed the ASM for 15
years. So, it's actually worked -- okay. Or ten years? Twelve years? We haven't
changed it for a long time. So, it's worked okay. I don't imagine this is going to work like
that, because downtown is such a -- it's special. It's -- there is so much diversity there.
But I don't think it's going to be difficult to modify the standards in the areas as we see --
as you fit?
Nary: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, so it's not very clear in the Idaho Code.
There is no -- there is no directive on whether you could have a sunset clause or not.
But I guess if trying to align it with zoning code, courts would not -- would not be
favorable to have a zoning code that dissolved or changed that way. So, because you
-- it is similar to a zoning code -- I think Brian said -- I mean you -- obviously, you are
always able to change it and you -- there is a process in which to change it, but to have
some sort of sunset in there I don't know that would be supportable. So, I wouldn't
recommend that. But I think you have -- I think there is certainly enough eyes on it and
fluidity that you have concerns or issues come before you over time as it develops that
people will bring that to your attention that you can revisit.
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: Call for either Caleb, Brian or Bill. Would we review this overlay district
holistically as part of a conference and plan update?
McClure: Mr. Mayor, Councilman, one of the reasons for the overlay approach is
because time is sensitive and we didn't want to wait going through a whole comp plan
overview and so the overlay would allow us to be responsive to the current future land
use boundaries with some -- fade that a little bit around the edges, you know, adapt it to
the existing environment a bit. We are not contemplating a massive comp plan update
right now. We could -- or we could follow up later on with one. But right now we are
planning on moving forward with this and not doing comp plan until some refresh.
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Cavener: Mr. Mayor, if I can clarify.
Simison: Councilman Taylor.
Cavener: Brian, totally tracking with you. I guess I'm looking into the future. So, 15
years from now the City of Meridian is embarking on a comprehensive plan update
citywide. Would this overlay district be incorporated as to part of that planning process?
I guess what I'm trying to find is is there a formal or informal pit stop along the way
where Council can evaluate this -- not in terms of there is an application that is now in
front of us, we want to change the standards, but looking at it more objectively, like,
okay, we have noticed that maybe this isn't working and we want to make that change
and how do we do that in a manner that is consistent with all of our other planning, as
opposed to reacting a requests that's in front of us?
Hood: Mr. Mayor, Councilman Cavener, a good question. I haven't really thought about
this, so we will just have a little bit of a conversation here. I think it's something we can
do similar, you know, some -- similar to I get a check in -- maybe not a sunset, but
something where -- where we are looking at this and bringing it to our community, is this
working, get some feedback. Not to just regurgitate what Mr. Nary said, but I think, you
know, we tried a little bit and some things maybe won't work even initially and we have
got to amend it. I don't think this is something that's just not -- it's going to be forgotten
about and we just get so used to using it we aren't saying, hey, how can we tweak this
and make it even better? Again, haven't fully thought through that. I think the comp
plan as you bring up is a good opportunity to take that out, you know, to the public and
say, hey, we have this, if you are familiar with it. How do you think it's working? What
can we do to improve it? Those side things. And I think there will be checkpoints along
the way over time over the years. You know, we can even set something up where it's a
-- you know, once every couple of years come in and check in with Council. Hey, how
do you feel it's working? Are you getting feedback? You see do we need to do an
amendment or not? I mean that's what we do with the UDC focus group; right? The
text changes. Well, we are talking about code of the city. So, I could see it working its
way through that UDC focus group, too, and if there is standards that need to be
reevaluated and discovered further -- you know, I don't know what that cadence
necessarily is, but I certainly envision ways to check in and make sure it's working or not
and change it if not.
Nary: Mr. Mayor? Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, I mean historically whenever we
have had any, you know, larger scale look at the -- a comp plan, we have always --
especially on the full scale we have looked at all of the areas around town -- all the
areas that are either other urban renewal districts that we have created, other types of --
or other types of focus areas that we have created. So, I wouldn't imagine you wouldn't
be looking at that if you were going to do some larger look at the comp plan in general.
You are going to identify what's existing out there anyway. That's a normal beginning
process of it as a -- sort of a check in on what's already out there. So, I wouldn't think
this would be any different.
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Hood: Mr. Mayor, if I -- if I may, just one more thing to add to that. I guess I wouldn't
even be comfortable bringing this to you now if I didn't think we had enough already
within our Comprehensive Plan that supported an effort like this. I think we already
have things that -- even in the strategic plan we have some things that talk about
making our downtown a destination and I think this effort furthers some of those things
that we have done as community outreach and having some of those documents, even
though, you know, Destination Downtown 2.0 isn't necessarily the city's, there has been
some outreach and, again, our current Comprehensive Plan and some of those things
for our downtown I think support what we are talking about this afternoon. But, again,
not that we can't keep talking about that, but I think there is enough there where we are
focusing efforts downtown is a common thread in our Comprehensive Plan today.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Thank you. Yeah, one fear I have that really frustrated me with the Ten Mile
Specific Area Plan is like I hate for us to put resources and effort into a plan and, then,
get, you know, distance from that plan and, then, the plan is not useful anymore or we
are not adhering to it and it just kind of gets phased out informally. Like I think that's a
waste. So, I just want to chime in. I think this point about some mechanism of re-
reviewing it and discussing it I think is important. I would be very comfortable if we are
all just committed to like the next time we update the Comprehensive Plan is it X date
and at that time we will look at it. That -- that's okay with me. I just want to understand
what the cadence will be for kind of making sure that city councils continue to buy into it.
So, I think that's important consideration. I do have a couple questions. What teeth
does an overlay have relative to zoning is a question that I have. And, then, do we
really need consultant support for this? I want to understand that better. I think we don't
have to understand that today, but I think we need to understand that just relative to
your team's workload, is that really necessary? So, those are kind of my first two
questions.
Hood: Mr. Mayor, Council Woman Strader, I think maybe working backwards a little bit
in that -- yeah, a little bit TBD on consultant help. I think we -- I think we need some.
Don't know exactly until we kind of get into it a little bit and I think there is something to
be said for maybe helping us, too, with the outreach piece of this and depending on how
big we go with that, having a -- a firm that can kind of help us, again, with the
messaging, knocking on doors potentially, website, what -- kind of those types of things,
kind of depending on what we are doing. So, we haven't had all those conversations
with the Mayor's office potentially to how are we going to organize things or advertise
and open houses and those types of activities. So, it is kind of a TBD. We do have in
the CFP kind of a placeholder right now for the FY-27 budget to use some of that for
both a comp plan update, as well as some consultant help for this particular project. But
right now it's just sort of a wag. We don't know, because we have scope of necessarily
everything that we would need a consultant to do. We do think we have some in-house
resources, but Brian and I have both been with this organization for quite some time and
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we have not done this. So, we kind of don't know what we don't know. But as we get
putting it together a little bit more I think that is something that, you know, we have
identified as getting some third party help. So, it isn't -- and so it isn't just -- and it's not
just for optics, but -- so, it isn't just the city, you know, pitching this. There is someone
that is sort of a -- they are a hired gun neutral third party, though, that has some
backing, they have done this, they can explain and -- and kind of come with that --
don't want to say reputation, but just, you know, some -- you know, they have done it
before and can -- and can explain and even help staff through the process developing
some of this. I do want to go, then, to your first -- the first part of that question. This is
totally different than the Ten Mile and, again, that's sort of -- phase one the enabling.
These are standards. There isn't -- the gray area won't really be there. There will be
some things, again, depending, you know, potentially through a design review
committee and reviewing some of those elements of a site plan, but it is a lot different.
Like Brian said, the Ten Mile Plan was a visionary document. Didn't have this enabling
piece of it; right? It was more the vision. We hope you will do these types of things.
This is what we are trying to get as development occurs. What we didn't do with the Ten
Mile is something like this that says, okay, here is what your roads need to look like,
here is what the streetlight needs to look like, here is the standards for them. It was
more hopeful; right? And we didn't have -- this would be in the code and these would be
shalls and not shoulds or mays. So, that really is the main difference. Again -- and we
haven't developed the standards yet, so we aren't quite sure what the shalls are going
to be even just yet, but that's the idea. Because it is consistent throughout whatever
geographical area we define, these are those elements where we want to see that
consistency. So, hopefully that helps. But I think that is a really good important
distinction to make between the Ten Mile Specific Area Plan, which was a planning
document, and this, which will be codified in ordinance and the law.
McClure: Mr. Mayor? Just to add that -- and Council Woman Strader. A lot of the
standards we have to some degree now -- a lot of what MDC has proposed in my
opinion is pretty close to some standards we have for -- for any given zoning
designation. Part of the problem is you can have very different standards applied to
properties right next to each other currently and there is no cohesive development
patterns for that, because one is residential, one is commercial, one is mixed use. They
have different standards based off different zones. Those are all very achievable. Staff
do those every day through the Administrative Design Review. There is some
shortcomings to that, but it's -- they are standards and they happen all the time without
any issue. I think part of this process is intended to get some cohesive patterns
happening with those standards now. So, they are happening for downtown, not based
off of the zoning, but based off this overlay. So, I don't -- I don't think this is anything if it
helps others -- I don't think this is anything like the Ten Mile Plan, because there is --
these are -- these are very achievable standards. We are not seeking to up end -- up
end the apple cart here, it's -- I think it's very achievable. And, then, maybe just to also
help with what Caleb said. Part of what I'm receiving information is, you know, we are
not in a rush, don't get this done, but we also are running out of time, like years have
gone by. We don't want to see problems of the past happen again. You know,
consultant support is helpful when we want to be more responsive to things and we
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have other projects and priorities. So, you know, if everything else is dumped off of our
list it's easier to prioritize and get something done. But not that it isn't nice to have
someone else's credentials lend -- lend support to an effort. But there is just other
things going on.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Yeah. No. I appreciate that. I think just generally I'm supportive of this
approach. Like I -- I think you have a phased approach. I think it makes since, like I'm
supportive of the concept of creating an overlay, but where I'm I guess a little bit -- just
wanting to make sure that whatever we set up is actually something that could be
leveraged citywide, because in our strategic plan that we are considering, right, but we
haven't finalized, we are thinking about some citywide esthetics and ideas and I think
that this could be a really logical kind of a pilot approach of setting up kind of a design
review committee, if that's where it goes, or other mechanisms that could be leveraged
citywide. So, I actually think this could be really good strategic work. I just want to
make sure what we are doing is sustainable and people into it. It sounds like because
it's part of the code we wouldn't run into necessarily the same challenges that we ran
into with the Ten Mile Plan, because, yeah, I agree that was a big shortcoming with that
approach that we just saw in reading when it got kind of outdated. On the consultant
piece of it, I mean, obviously, just encourage you to think about what the scope is that
your team can support internally and what you truly need a consultant for. You know,
certainly multi-family activity is lower. I think commercial activity is high. We still see a
lot of single family residential. I know there have been, you know, staffing changes and
stuff. There is a lot going on with your team. So, I think just that through, you know,
with -- with Dave and everybody, just what's the capacity? How do we handle it? What
do we exactly need a consultant for and what do we not need one for I think is
important. So, I'm holistically supportive of this approach knowing that we would be,
you know, checking in again. I think there are some things that need to be ironed out,
but I think overall it's a good phased approach.
Hood: Mr. Mayor? Can I respond to the consultant again? Again, we don't have this
totally scoped out of what we may or may not need consultant help for and some of that
is, like I said before, TBD. We are hoping for a lot of volunteers, but if we don't we may
have to hire an architect to get on the team. So, that is sort of what the hope is and
that's, for a lot of these tasks within the project, hopeful that we can work on things. But
if, again, this needs to be a grandiose task all of a sudden, we may need to reach out
and say we just can't -- we could do it, but it might take longer. So, do we want to hire
someone to help us or can you wait and we will do it in twice the amount of time? So, I
think there is some future decision points to come. We are trying to be thoughtful about
this and just wanted to put that out there that, you know, likely at some point for some
thing or two in this project we will probably need some help.
Overton: Mr. Mayor?
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Simison: Councilman Overton.
Overton: Brian, Caleb, my fellow Council Members have raised some excellent points.
I kind of want to take it back a little bit, because I believe what we are here for tonight is
to embrace the concept of overlay districts and give you a go ahead or a not go ahead
to get a modified UDC, bring that back in front of us to approve overlay districts
citywide, so that you can, then, begin to build the overlay district for downtown and start
that. I think we are going to have a lot of questions on what that overlay district
downtown is going to look like. I think I do like the concept. I'm going to have a lot of
questions, but I don't have questions tonight. I think they are a little premature. I think
-- I agree with Council Woman Strader, I agree with a concept of the overlay districts
and the approval of them citywide, but they only get established individually. I don't
think we are here tonight to even tell us what the parameters would be of the size and
shape of a downtown overlay district compared to what everything else is with zoning
districts and MDC. I think a lot of that's a little premature and we will get there. But if
I'm not mistaken -- and correct me if I'm wrong -- what you really need tonight is just
Council approval to move forward with establishing an overlay district in our code, so
you can begin to build the first one for a downtown; is that correct?
Hood: Yeah. Mr. Mayor, Councilman Overton, I think that was a really good summary
and maybe just a finer point on that and it came up even in the last question. You know,
we don't have -- right now we don't have any over -- other overlay districts envisioned.
This is for the downtown. So, it's not -- you know, it could be south Meridian. There is a
design esthetic. We would have it at our disposal. It would be a tool that we can use
citywide, but this isn't something where we are planning on having 20 overlay districts
citywide. So, I just want to make that clarification. I think that is -- we want some
general -- are we -- are we heading in the right direction? Because, if not, stop us now
before we spin our wheels. This is kind of where we are going. We will check back in in
a little bit with that enabling ordinance. It says, hey, City of Meridian can do overlay
districts now. We won't have any at that point in time, but it just says, hey, we are
moving towards this and, then, you just kind of saw that calendar a year or so later is
when we really anticipate having something to say. Yeah, here is that geographical
area where our first overlay district -- and maybe our one and only, who knows what an
overlay district is and the way that that's going to operate. So, thank you for
summarizing and bringing us back to tonight.
Overton: Mr. Mayor, quick follow up.
Simison: Councilman Overton.
Overton: I just wanted to then say that I am in support of this moving forward. I think
that you have got a Council that's very vested in what this is going to look like and we
are going to continue to barrage you with questions as this is designed, because we
have never had anything like it before, but I will certainly support moving forward with
the change to UDC and developing the code for having overlay districts citywide and,
then, letting you bring back forward an overlay district for our downtown area.
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Simison: So, Council, I'm going to speak up as well, just because -- I'm not going to
share anything I haven't already shared with the team, so it doesn't matter. I have
struggled with this approach that they are offering, because I do want to get on to the
downtown conversation. You know, that's where I think that the -- this really really lies is
I hate to put a lot of work into saying here is -- here is our process, here is what we are
going to do, here is what it's going to be if we can't come up with something that works
in our downtown, which is what we are really trying to be focused on and be timely to
that, you know. So, I share -- I share with the team my -- my desire would have been to
start working on what that downtown would look like first and foremost and if we -- if we
like the outcome that we come to, then, we come back and we put it -- create the
overlay and put things into place. We can tell -- because we -- I think that we could
come up with something over the next one, three, five, six months and how we are
going to operate these in the future, but it's really -- I know that there is a timing issue to
some in our downtown that -- that we don't want to lose the investment in that
conversation now maybe before we have some projects that's come in the next one,
three, six, nine months. But that's -- that's where I have been trying to like look at this in
a more timely fashion to get something, because even if they are adopted, but we say
here is what we think we want, I think the development community will take that
information back. But if we don't get around this to really talking about the standards for
the next year, we may miss the boat on some of these items. So, I know that there is a
process that you would normally go establish them, set the boundaries, design them. I
want the team to get together with our downtown partners sooner rather than later to
start actually working on what those are, because if we can't come to an agreement and
even in that concept, what's the point of doing all the overlays? And I don't know what
that's going to mean. I have no idea what we are -- what the outcomes are going to be
through this process. What does an overlay look and feel like? It's just taking our
current things and put them in code -- or put it into the overlay? But -- yeah. And I'm
getting head shakes. So, I have struggled with this since this was brought in and even
in the process and the concept of where we go, how much do we put into the effort,
rather than putting the effort into the -- what the actual standards would be and, then,
come back and focus on how we apply them and what they look like long term. So, just
sharing that feedback from myself on, you know, I want to keep the conversation going
with our urban renewal the district to get those standards as quickly as possible.
Taylor: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Taylor.
Taylor: Question. Is there any reason why both can't be tracking parallel? So, we
could -- if we like the framework, but to your point we want to signal sooner than later
what we want to see, is there anything in giving staff the okay -- like let's pursue -- or
pursue this, but yet also to your point being sensitive to some timeliness of what we
want downtown. Does one have to come before the other or do you think that they can
be tracking parallel together? And also let me add to this, what do you envision when
you -- when you talk about what we want to see downtown, can you put a finer point on
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like -- I mean you, obviously, got a big project across the way, but is -- beyond that are
you -- is there anything specific you are thinking of --
Simison: The -- the first answer is I talked to -- I think that they think that they can
maybe do some of it doing it in conjunction. I mean if -- but I don't know and that's
when it gets down to -- if you are talking about workload and if we want them to start
doing the work themselves are they focusing on one or the other and how does that
leave them? I will let them answer that -- that question on that. On the second one it's
just generally. I mean we -- we know of the one across the street where this was --
frankly, I'm going to say that was the one -- the original design was part of the reason
why this even came up was concerns over that. I'm not going to say that's what the
design is going to be, but we have had other parcels out. The -- the old civic block
project was one. Don't know when those are going to come back, but I just want to
make sure that we are not missing out on some other development opportunities
should they happen. But nothing specific that I can point to. Mr. Hood.
Hood: Yeah. If I can just maybe put a little bit of our thought process at least thus far. It
is -- there is a lot of concurrency here and I know it's phase one, two and three. Phase
one is fairly straightforward. We are already talking about phase two and, more
conceptually, phase three and some of those standards. But, you know, Brian's already
put together exhibits that have all those definitions of downtown. What we need is to
figure out who gets to start to draw those lines and we can start there, but we need
some help on who is actually helping us say this is where we are going to have these
standards apply. You know, what does that process even look like? How do we -- who
do we outreach to and how and how often? What are those checkpoints? And I -- you
know, so that is some of where we are at is we are starting to sort of tee it up, but it
takes a little bit longer than changing the UDC; right? That is a process. So, there is a
lot of things -- phase one, two and three are moving concurrently, but it is almost like we
can get to the finish line of phase one before we get to the finish line of phase two and
you sort of need to have where that finish line of phase two is before you can really get
to phase three, because if you are designing your standards for residential, but, then,
your district doesn't have any residential you just wasted a bunch of time come
standards for residential. So, it is a little chicken and egg to some degree there, too.
But that really, honestly, that's some of what we need is some more -- I think some of
the next steps is just direction on how your comfort level is with the outreach and the
inputs and the stakeholders and kind of getting some of these decision points back to
the dais, so you can -- you know, yep, we are good with that. Keep moving. Yep, this
general vicinity. Do we want to go all the way to the freeway north of Fairview? I don't
think so, but I don't know that for sure. Are we talking more of the core? So, again,
those are kind of where we are at with some of these. Phase two is underway. It's just
not as far along as phase one.
Taylor: Mr. Mayor, a quick follow up.
Simison: Councilman Taylor.
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Taylor: Yeah. In some way I'm kind of almost envisioning as we are doing this we are
also achieving your goal of sending the -- indicating what we want to see now. I could
be wrong, but as we are identifying the geography of the boundaries, talking about
some of the design centers, those are happening -- we are not going to wait until next
summer to actually start the conversation. Those are going to be happening now and
going forward. So, I think it's a fair point we should keep in consideration and I would
also add the point we talk about impact downtown, right, with the expiration of the
downtown urban renewal district and, then, what comes next. You know, we as a
Council need to be prepared to think through that process and how we envision that
going and that's going to definitely also parlay into this conversation with the overlay,
with, you know, down -- Destination Downtown 2.0. All these things are -- they are just
all kind of intertwined in some ways. So, yeah, I think -- as I see it I think these things
can go together. They serve each other in a similar purpose, but whether or not we
need to be more aggressive in the near term of indicating projects we want to see to
kind of facilitate those moving along and not waiting, for a year for this to be finalized
before anything happens, I think it's a valid point. So, I'm open to kind of how that might
look.
Little Roberts: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Little Roberts.
Little Roberts: Mr. Mayor and Council, I think it's critical that what is already in motion
for the most part can continue on as this project is being worked on, because we have
got some really great momentum starting in downtown and I think the last thing we want
to do is put a weight or a slow down on any of that. I think that things can be happening
concurrent and we have got a timeframe on certain things as well. So, I think it's really
important that we keep as good a pulse on all lanes as they are all happening together.
But definitely don't want to -- for the most part can -- even consider slowing anything
down at this point.
Simison: All right. So things will come back next week and we will be good to adopt it.
No? No? Okay. I guess to help move -- maybe to move on to step two or -- I guess I
view this as looking at our core in our downtown as our primary purpose. Where are
going to start? And I guess from my perspective I look towards you as the professionals
to say I would hope that you could draw a boundary that you think would be appropriate
boundary for us to start to evaluate that would -- I mean I can in my head. I assume you
can as well with maybe a few caveats to go deeper to set that first level conversation.
There may be second level, there may be third level, there may be fourth level over
time, but I just want to make sure we look at this very manageable to get a win, to get
an outcome, to get a success as quickly as we can and maybe we learn from it. I don't
want to shortchange what we are doing, but I don't want to get stalled because we can't
figure out where to draw a line and to have the conversation. You know, is it Franklin or
is it the railroad tracks? Is it Meridian or 3rd? Does it go beyond that? How far north
does it go? That's your heart. That's your core. That's your center to have this base
level first conversation. I don't think it goes beyond -- much beyond that, unless you
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say, well, there is too many factors and we need to move the line, because these --
these buildings don't really -- or this area won't develop that way. That's just my two
cents to help us push this quickly, so we can get to run the parallel and get into that
actual let's focus on something and show how this can work. That's the end of the day.
It's great to do an overlay over the city or say we can do them all over the city, but if we
can't get to an outcome quickly and show that it works, I don't know the -- we are going
to want to go down this process if it's so cumbersome that we can't move something
forward.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Yeah. I agree with that. I think we could get bogged down really easily and I,
honestly, would recommend something like, hey here is option one, option two, option
three of like the maps that you think makes sense and just let the Council vote on -- on
that. That's what I would suggest. Like I wouldn't like spin your wheels trying to like fine
tune with a lot of specificity exactly what -- you know, you are going to have an idea
and I think just give us three options and have us vote on it would be my suggestion.
We can always tweak it. But like -- I wouldn't get bogged down in that piece of it. I think
the design piece is like the meaty piece that will be really tough. I think we focus more
there.
Taylor: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Taylor.
Taylor: Yeah. I agree with that and I also, you know, the Destination Downtown draft
has some -- some suggestions for maps. I think that's a great place to start and we can
adjust accordingly. But, you know, the question will be how big and expansive. Does it
go to the freeway or not? Two or three options and we can discuss those in more detail
and I think it makes a lot of sense to do that.
Simison: Does that give you guys enough to move forward with establishing the ability
to do overlays and come back with some maps and, then, we can move on after we
define that to step three and, then, see what resources are needed? Okay. All right.
Thank you. And with that we are at the end of our agenda.
Overton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Overton.
Overton: Move that we adjourn.
Little Roberts: Second.
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Simison: Motion and second to adjourn. All in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed
nay? The ayes have it. We are adjourned.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
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