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Charlene Way
From:Charlene Way
Sent:Monday, August 4, 2025 7:59 AM
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Cc:Mayor Office Feedback
Subject:RE: 'OPPOSED' In & Out Proposed Meridian Location
Jim:
Thank you for your comments. They have been made available in the project folder for review.
To access Public Hearing Notice Information, find online at: https://apps.meridiancity.org/phnotices/
To access Public Hearing Process Information, find online at
https://meridiancity.org/government/public-meeting-information/
Have a wonderful day,
Charlene
Charlene Way, Assistant City Clerk (Remote Fridays)
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Subject: 'OPPOSED' In & Out Proposed Meridian Location
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I am writing to the city of Meridian regarding the chosen location of a new In and Out fast-
food chain at Ten Mile and Lost Rapids Dr.
I live in this residential neighborhood right behind the Costco. There is a thoroughfare,
that allows for a short cut from Ten Mile to Chinden. Lost Rapids connects to Tree Farm
which allows traffic to cut through the residential neighborhood behind Costco and the
location of where In and Out plans to build. This is a family neighborhood, with lots of
kid’s activity and Keith Bird Park on Lost Rapids. Ever since Costco was built, there has
been several times more traffic speeding through from Chinden to Ten Mile This is a 25
Mile per hour street that has been abused with speeders exceeding the speed limit as fast
as 50 mph. If In and Out is allowed to build in this location, traffic will highly increase
several times over and be a danger to the citizens who live here!
A business with the traffic generated like In and Out, cannot be located in this residential
neighborhood. If this is allowed, Lost Rapids to Tree Farm need to have a entrance gate
blocking traffic from cutting through the neighborhood.
There are much better areas in Meridian that would allow such traffic. A better location
would be in the Orchard Park shopping center near Winco or even off Ten Mile near
Scheels.
As we’ve outlined, the concerns for our residential area are straightforward:
The corner at Lost Rapids & Ten Mile is a uniquely problematic location for the
additional traffic load In-N-Out represents. There are dozens of lots available in
northwest Meridian with better access and zero impact to residential areas.
The Costco development area can barely handle the existing traffic flow. We’re
concerned about traffic getting TO and FROM the target site. In-N-Out’s ability to
handle cars within their own lot is NOT our concern.
The safety issues involving 2 very busy City parks and 3 school bus stops within 700
feet cannot be discounted.
The approval the Adero Park neighborhood with a major intersection at Malta Road
will put additional strain on north Ten Mile Road between McMillian and Chinden.
In-N-Out would represent the 11th drive thru with on the Costco development. The
City’s vision for that development was to create retail space with a few drive thru
accessories, not to create “drive thru central” in northwest Meridian.
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ACHD’s own study from 2017 did not envision this level of drive thru density and the
possibility of In-N-Out—they had NO Idaho expansion plans in 2017, much less into
residential areas.
The ‘traffic study’ that I&O paid for and provided is similarly flawed. It looks only at
the Ten Mile / Lost Rapids intersection on 3 days in early December. It
does not consider the various choke points with the accident-prone entrance north
of the intersection, does not consider the Chinden-Lost Rapids traffic, and
does not include the weekly event traffic for 8 months out of the year for Hero’s Park
or the 60+ vehicles for 4-days-a-week parked at Keith Bird Park and along Lost
Rapids. It does not consider the Adero Park subdivision that will be presented in
May that will add 270-homes between Bainbridge & Walmart.
In-N-Out’s own “traffic study” they provided was conducted over 4 days in
December 2024—specifically to rule out the foot traffic and car traffic that inundate
the area during Spring, Summer and Fall.
Prior to the Planning & Zoning hearing, our Bainbridge community survey revealed
80% of our respondents were OPPOSED to that location. During the Planning &
Zoning process, about 96% of the hundreds of public comments from the 6
surrounding neighborhoods were OPPOSED to that location.
The ‘customer flow’ information that I&O provided is flawed. It compares our
neighborhood area with 10 California-based locations—NONE of them in
residential or semi-residential areas.
Traffic through the residential neighborhood behind this proposed site would more
than triple using Lost Rapids to Tree Farm as a thoroughfare connecting Ten Mile to
Chinden. This is dangerous scenario for the citizens and most importantly, the
children who are a large population in this Bainbridge subdivision.
The speed limit on Lost Rapids to Tree Farm is 25mph, there is already a speeding
issue and will increase substantially with traffic using it as a short cut between
Chinden and Ten Mile
Jim Fizznoglia
4068 W Lost Ra\[ids Dr.
Meridian, ID 83646
208-800-8157
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Charlene Way
From:Dave Miles
Sent:Monday, August 4, 2025 7:55 AM
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Cc:Mayor Office Feedback; Bill Parsons
Subject:RE: 'OPPOSED' In & Out Proposed Meridian Location
Jim,
Thank you for reaching out and sharing your thoughts about the proposed project. Your email has been received by
the Mayor’s O?ice. Because this project is part of an open application, the Mayor and City Council members are
prohibited from commenting outside of the public hearing process. That said, we take public feedback seriously
and want you to know that we have received your email and have read your comments.
Your email has been forwarded to our City Clerk and will be included in the project public record. As you may be
aware, the City does not determine which food service or business locates at a property, the City regulates the
land use of various properties while businesses decide to locate at given sites or areas based on market
conditions. This project’s City Council public hearing is currently scheduled for Aug. 12. Additionally, we invite
you to check the City’s website, meridiancity.org for any upcoming public hearing notices and additional
information regarding the development. I have also copied the Planning Department if you have additional
questions on hearings, or should that date change.
Sincerely,
Dave Miles | Chief of Staff
City of Meridian | Mayor’s Office
33 E. Broadway Ave., Meridian, Idaho 83642
Phone: (208) 489-0532|Fax: (208) 884-8119
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Subject: 'OPPOSED' In & Out Proposed Meridian Location
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I am writing to the city of Meridian regarding the chosen location of a new In and Out fast-
food chain at Ten Mile and Lost Rapids Dr.
I live in this residential neighborhood right behind the Costco. There is a thoroughfare,
that allows for a short cut from Ten Mile to Chinden. Lost Rapids connects to Tree Farm
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which allows traffic to cut through the residential neighborhood behind Costco and the
location of where In and Out plans to build. This is a family neighborhood, with lots of
kid’s activity and Keith Bird Park on Lost Rapids. Ever since Costco was built, there has
been several times more traffic speeding through from Chinden to Ten Mile This is a 25
Mile per hour street that has been abused with speeders exceeding the speed limit as fast
as 50 mph. If In and Out is allowed to build in this location, traffic will highly increase
several times over and be a danger to the citizens who live here!
A business with the traffic generated like In and Out, cannot be located in this residential
neighborhood. If this is allowed, Lost Rapids to Tree Farm need to have a entrance gate
blocking traffic from cutting through the neighborhood.
There are much better areas in Meridian that would allow such traffic. A better location
would be in the Orchard Park shopping center near Winco or even off Ten Mile near
Scheels.
As we’ve outlined, the concerns for our residential area are straightforward:
The corner at Lost Rapids & Ten Mile is a uniquely problematic location for the
additional traffic load In-N-Out represents. There are dozens of lots available in
northwest Meridian with better access and zero impact to residential areas.
The Costco development area can barely handle the existing traffic flow. We’re
concerned about traffic getting TO and FROM the target site. In-N-Out’s ability to
handle cars within their own lot is NOT our concern.
The safety issues involving 2 very busy City parks and 3 school bus stops within 700
feet cannot be discounted.
The approval the Adero Park neighborhood with a major intersection at Malta Road
will put additional strain on north Ten Mile Road between McMillian and Chinden.
In-N-Out would represent the 11th drive thru with on the Costco development. The
City’s vision for that development was to create retail space with a few drive thru
accessories, not to create “drive thru central” in northwest Meridian.
ACHD’s own study from 2017 did not envision this level of drive thru density and the
possibility of In-N-Out—they had NO Idaho expansion plans in 2017, much less into
residential areas.
The ‘traffic study’ that I&O paid for and provided is similarly flawed. It looks only at
the Ten Mile / Lost Rapids intersection on 3 days in early December. It
does not consider the various choke points with the accident-prone entrance north
of the intersection, does not consider the Chinden-Lost Rapids traffic, and
does not include the weekly event traffic for 8 months out of the year for Hero’s Park
or the 60+ vehicles for 4-days-a-week parked at Keith Bird Park and along Lost
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Rapids. It does not consider the Adero Park subdivision that will be presented in
May that will add 270-homes between Bainbridge & Walmart.
In-N-Out’s own “traffic study” they provided was conducted over 4 days in
December 2024—specifically to rule out the foot traffic and car traffic that inundate
the area during Spring, Summer and Fall.
Prior to the Planning & Zoning hearing, our Bainbridge community survey revealed
80% of our respondents were OPPOSED to that location. During the Planning &
Zoning process, about 96% of the hundreds of public comments from the 6
surrounding neighborhoods were OPPOSED to that location.
The ‘customer flow’ information that I&O provided is flawed. It compares our
neighborhood area with 10 California-based locations—NONE of them in
residential or semi-residential areas.
Traffic through the residential neighborhood behind this proposed site would more
than triple using Lost Rapids to Tree Farm as a thoroughfare connecting Ten Mile to
Chinden. This is dangerous scenario for the citizens and most importantly, the
children who are a large population in this Bainbridge subdivision.
The speed limit on Lost Rapids to Tree Farm is 25mph, there is already a speeding
issue and will increase substantially with traffic using it as a short cut between
Chinden and Ten Mile
Jim Fizznoglia
4068 W Lost Ra\[ids Dr.
Meridian, ID 83646
208-800-8157
Please consider the environment before printing this email!
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail transmission is intended only for use of the
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