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HomeMy WebLinkAboutDecember 19, 2002 Meridian Planning & Zoning December 19, 2002 Page 96 of 116 McKinnon: Okay. Zaremba: So, then, that brings me to the paragraph below that, which is A. All personal I would take out. McKinnon: Got it. Zaremba: The facilities requiring a Conditional User Permit, capital CUP. Would you believe I'm done with that one? McKinnon: Is there anybody else that had anything? Thanks for going slow. It makes a big difference for me when I write the recommendation to be able to take a document that we have worked tonight, rather than have to check the minutes. Thanks for going slow for me. Zaremba: Well, I'm kind of slow myself, so -- McKinnon: Is there any more discussion on that or do you guys want to move to eight ~ on the agenda, which were definitions? Borup: Yes. Zaremba: I'm ready for definitions. Just to clarify, these -- these are just the ones that are either being added or deleted from the existing ones. All right. In this chapter, there are definitions that don't appear on this page that we are looking at correct? McKinnon: That's correct. Zaremba: And those are remaining? McKinnon: That's correct. Zaremba: Okay. Just so I'm clear. All right. Let me start with the first one, apparel manufacturing. Wollen: Commissioner Zaremba, I believe there are also the ones that are being amended inside. Zaremba: Yes. Okay. McKinnon: It's not a comprehensive list. Zaremba: This is not a comprehensive list, there are others that don't appear on this list that are staying the way they were. Okay. Apparel manufacturing. I would say a facility involved, without the that's. Meridian Planning & Zoning December 19, 2002 Page 97of116 McKinnon: Okay. Zaremba: After department stores and before electric supplies, I would define dry- cleaning, because we do have laundromats and stuff other places. McKinnon: Do you know whether dry-cleaning is defined in here or not? Zaremba: Well, there was a line that said carpet and dry-cleaning with no definition that you're scratching out. McKinnon: There is dry line sewer. No dry-cleaning. Do you have a definition that you would want to include for dry-cleaning? This isn't an all-inclusive list. Zaremba: I was going to suggest one, yes. McKinnon: Okay. Go ahead and go slow for me. Or I can get your copy. Whatever. Zaremba: Let me read it, so we can discuss it. McKinnon: Okay. Zaremba: Dry-cleaning. Colon. A facility for cleaning clothes and other fabric by chemical processes period. McKinnon: What was the - cleaning clothes or-- Zaremba: Cleaning clothes and other fabrics by chemical processes period and a second sentence -- McKinnon: I'm not a shorthand person. Go ahead. Zaremba: Air quality and waste product disposal may be regulated. Borup: Is that a part of a definition? Zaremba: Well, I add that, because when we get down to industrial research, it has -- it defines a little more clearly some things and I thought - Borup: Oh, where it says issue shall not violate -- Zaremba: Which made me think that it might not hurt to have -- and, actually, on the industrial research one, I was going to suggest adding -- and this is just a suggestion - adding waste disposal product may be regulated on industrial research also. McKinnon: What do you think, Nick? Meridian Planning & Zoning December 19, 2002 Page 98 of 116 Wollen: Commissioners, I would really hesitate to put any kind of enforcement language or anything other than pure definition in here. Zaremba: All right. Then, on dry-cleaning I give up the air quality. Take that sentence back out again. McKinnon: So it would read, dry-cleaning, colon, facility for cleaning clothes, and other fabrics by chem process. Zaremba: Chemical processes. McKinnon: Got it. Okay. Got it. Zaremba: I don't have a problem with -- Borup: Well, there is some - that brings up a point on facilities such as that. Who regulates that type of thing? Are there already some standards that are looked at that could control those things? Zaremba: I know they can't flush them down the toilet. McKinnon: I was going to say, you may have heard of the perk regulation and all the perk in the water that happened as it ran down off of the bench down into -- I guess, the floor or the valley. There was quite a bit of that back in the '60s and 70s and there is still some perk around. It is regulated pretty heavily and I don't know if it's the state DEQ that handles that or if it's Central District Health in our area, but it is regulated, so - Borup: So if a dry-cleaning facility is proposed, they have specific regulations in the -- McKinnon: I believe they do have specific requirements. I think it is, actually, DEQ. Wollen: Yes. I believe it is,. Even some -- depending on the scale, I think even federal EPA standards. Borup: So that's already handled in some way, it sounds like. McKinnon: Okay. Zaremba: Next page. McKinnon: Okay. Zaremba: Equipment heavy. I would put a comma. McKinnon: Okay. Meridian Planning & ZOning December 19, 2002 Page gg of 118 Zaremba: Heavy and farm being two different kinds of equipment. Then, the next one fabricated metal products needs a strike out. McKinnon: Okay. Got it. Zaremba: Feed, seed, and fertilizer store. An establishment dealing in retail and wholesale sales of supplies, feed, and seed and fertilizer directly related to day-to-day -- McKinnon: Agricultural activities. Zaremba: -- farm slash livestock or agricultural -- McKinnon: I think agricultural works good. Zaremba: Okay. That's good. McKinnon: Catch all. Thanks. Okay. Zaremba: Now, you know this was coming. There is -- in the book in this area there is a definition for industrial and even though we are not talking about the zones, I would like to add industrial, comma, light. McKinnon: I'll put industrial right there. Okay. Industrial light. Zaremba: I know we are not dealing with Chapter 7 and Chapter 8 now, but I'm -- the goal is to end up with all three of these chapters in parallel. McKinnon: Let me hear what you have got. Zaremba: Okay so industrial light. Let me just read it fast and, then, if you like it we will -- I'm actually quoting from Chapter 7. Manufacturing and wholesale establishments, which are clean, quiet, and other free of hazardous or objectionable elements, such as noise, odor, dust, smoke, or glare and that are operated entirely or almost entirely within an enclosed structure. That's pretty much the middle sentence out of the definition in the -- McKinnon: That was 11-7-2-- Zaremba: Industrial light manufacturing and wholesale establishment. If you look at Chapter 7 -- McKinnon: Yes 11-7. Zaremba: It ends manufacturing and wholesale establishment and ends almost entirely enclosed within structures. Just lift that whole -- Meridian Planning & ZOning December 19, 2002 Page100of116 McKinnon: Tell me how you got it started. Zaremba: The start of it was manufacturing and wholesale establishments. McKinnon: Okay. I got those marked out in reference to my code. Zaremba: And the end of it is entirely within the -- McKinnon: Enclosed structure. Period. I got it. Okay. Zaremba: Okay. Then, back in this -- laundries commercial. An establishment for laundry and clothes or linen does not include dry-cleaning same thing with laundromat. Does not include dry-cleaning. Wollen: Commissioner Zaremba, if there is a facility that does both commercial dry- cleaning and laundromat, how would that -- Zaremba: They would fall under both definitions. Wollen: Okay. Zaremba: So this definition doesn't fit -- doesn't include dry-cleaning. Wollen: Okay. McKinnon: Do we need the wording excluding dry-cleaning? I guess -- not to include -- or excluding dry-cleaning? Zaremba: Yes. That's a shorter way to say it. Along with being knit-picky, I tend to throw in extra words, too. Leather products. Tanning probably needs a strike out. McKinnon: I think that was one that we didn't have a definition for. We were hoping you guys might have some. Zaremba: No. We can do that. McKinnon: If you want, we can just strike it and just leave it out. It is listed on our schedule of use control. We were trying to figure out exactly why that leather products are industrial use, if you take out the tanning from that. I can't think of anything like -- Zaremba: Well, the only thing I can think of is Kuna was struggling a little while ago with a meat processing plant that moved in and was also doing tanning as a by-product. McKinnon: This one excluded tanning. The way the definition is worded it's leather products, excluding tanning. If you take out tanning, I don't know why we would include Meridian Planning & Zoning December 19, 2002 Page101of116 any -- right now tanning, I believe, is excluded as a prohibited use in every single zone. And this is except tanning. Zaremba: So leather products would be taking already tanned leather and making it into a purse. McKinnon: Yes and so we were trying to figure out why that would be -- Zaremba: Included. McKinnon: Yes. Let's get rid of that. That's fine with me. Wollen: Are there any particular waste concerns with disposal of leather, other than tanning? McKinnon: Tanning is the big issue. Zaremba: The tanning process is where the chemicals are. McKinnon: Yes. Zaremba: If you are just using it like a fabric to cut it up and make something out of it, I don't -- Borup: That's just a matter of manufacturing -- McKinnon: That's the manufacturer. That's typically at a different location, than the raw product where the tanning happens. Borup: We already have places in town that make -- McKinnon: Right now they are prohibited in every zone, except for the -- oh, under our current Zoning Ordinance -- Borup: Leather products are prohibited? McKinnon: Leather products are prohibited in all zones, except for Old Town and Industrial. Borup: Oh. McKinnon: And both of those zones are conditional. Borup: I think that's where it is, is in Old Town. McKinnon: Yes and so that's the only place you can do that. Meridian Planning & Zoning December 19, 2002 Page102of116 Zaremba: You can have the sales of leather products. McKinnon: We don't have a definition for it, we just -- Borup: Leather products -- McKinnon: It doesn't say manufacturer of. We have got to get in touch with all our retail sales. It was one that just seemed odd to me as I included it in there. I think the intent was to hope maybe you guys had something to help me figure that out, because I don't -- we don't have a definition for it. We can either strike it, but if we strike it, we haven't done anything to change the code, rather than just leave it without a definition still and have it in our ordinance. Zaremba: Okay. Maybe the point is to contrast this against the tanning process, to make it clear that this is not the tanning process so that the definition would be making products out of already tanned leather. McKinnon: I think we would have to have a bigger picture and maybe at a later date be the schedule and use control in dealing with the tanning and dealing with the leather products. I don't think we want to prohibit somebody from moving into the Albertson's Shopping Center, you know, right down here on Meridian and Cherry and say, you guys aren't Industrial and you're not Old Town, so the guy can't make belts and holsters and purses here. Borup: So Tandy's couldn't come in. McKinnon: I was going to say, Tandy's -- they wouldn't be allowed anywhere, except for Old Town or Industrial, so I think the bigger picture is to maybe eliminate that from the schedule of use control entirely. Zaremba: Okay so let's take it out again. McKinnon: Let's not worry about it at this point. Zaremba: Catch it later on the very bottom one, manufactured homes. Between home and 5 there is a space there. McKinnon: Why do I have manufacturing homes? manufactured homes. That should probably read Wollen: homes? Manufacturing manufactured homes, facilities that makes manufactured McKinnon: Yes. Okay. Zaremba: So that comma probably shouldn't be there. Oh, manufacturing. Yes. Meridian Planning & Zoning December 19, 2002 Page 1030f116 McKinnon: Manufacturing -- regarding manufactured homes. Okay. Wollen: I would suggest putting in manufacturing facility, perhaps. McKinnon: Facility I think there before the comma. That's okay. Noted. Zaremba: And on the top of the next page, there is a manufactured home park. We already had a definition for manufactured home community and I'm not sure why we need both. If we have both, they should say the same thing. McKinnon: They can be different, actually. That goes way back to my Garden City days. Manufactured home parks and communities can be entirely different. A park is more transient, whereas a community would be more occupied on a permanent foundation. I don't know if that comes across in the definitions as being different, but permanent and semi-permanent -- what's the manufacturer? What's the other -- Zaremba: Community says 10 or more of the spaces can be owned, leased, or rented. That was missing from park. McKinnon: Yes park doesn't allow for individual ownership. Zaremba: Oh. Okay. McKinnon: Mobile home parks are owned by -- under one ownership. Zaremba: Then, that probably should be added, and that's what the distinction is and that's what their distinction is. McKinnon: Okay. Zaremba: Then, continuing down to processing plants, I would actually add a definition for that, if we can. McKinnon: Sure. Zaremba: And here is a suggestion. A facility for the conversion of raw materials into usable supplies, parts, or finished products, may produce foods or durable goods. Is that what a processing plant is? I finally sat down with it long enough to understand it. McKinnon: A processing plant -- how would that differ from manufacturing? Zaremba: Manufacturing takes the supplies and makes finished parts or assembles. It doesn't really start with raw materials. The distinction I'm making is, for instance, a manufacturing plant would use a sheet of plywood. A processing plant would use a tree to make a sheet of plywood and sell it to the manufacturing plant. Meridian Planning & Zoning December 19, 2002 Page104of116 McKinnon: Okay. When I -- just in plannerese or planner -- we usually refer to a processing plant, my first thought doesn't go to wood or raw products, it goes to typically an animal processing. Zaremba: Well, that's what I said, may produce food or durable goods, then. A processing plant is going to take a cow and chop it up into steaks and, then, somebody else has to take that and make c;iinner out of it. It's starting at the raw material and making a part or a supply. McKinnon: Okay. Wollen: And I believe that -- Zaremba: And I may not be saying it correctly. Wollen: I think that's the definition, too, because an animal is -- when you take it down to its basics, so -- Zaremba: So do you want me to restate the -- McKinnon: Sure. Zaremba: A facility for the conversion of raw materials into usable supplies, comma -- McKinnon: I'm still at raw materials. Zaremba: Okay raw materials into usable supplies, comma, parts, comma, or finished products, period. McKinnon: Or finished products are what are hanging me up on that. Let me hear that -- if they are making it all the way to a finished product that would take out the manufacturing. Zaremba: Okay then, let's say usable supplies or parts, period. May produce foods or durable goods. McKinnon: It's available for sale at retail or only wholesale? Do you want to make that distinction? Zaremba: That's probably a good distinction. Yes. Sure for wholesale. McKinnon: For wholesale use. Borup: Yes because someone could -- for retail could do it in the kitchen. Zaremba: Yes. Meridian Planning & Zoning December 19, 2002 Page 1050f118 McKinnon: Okay so it would read like this: Processing plant, colon, a facility for the conversion of raw materials into usable -- Zaremba: Usable supplies are what I have difficulty with. What I'm trying to come up with is -- what is plywood? What do you call plywood? It's not a finished product, necessarily, because everybody is going to do something else with it. If it's an interim product and all I could think of were usable supplies. If there is a better word -- there may be a better word, but -- McKinnon: Material or mediums. Zaremba: Yes materials. Borup: Well, what if it's food? Zaremba: Well, I didn't want to repeat, because we said raw materials. McKinnon: Mediums? Zaremba: Mediums. Yes. McKinnon: Media. Zaremba: Well, media or parts. McKinnon: Medium, instead of media. Zaremba: Medium is singular. McKinnon: Usable materials or parts. Wollen: I would take out the wholesale versus retail distinction, however. I think that putting that into the definition might lead somebody to say. well, we are not selling our stuff at a wholesale level, therefore, we are not a processing plant. I think that leaves it open to interpretation in that area. McKinnon: So it reads that -- a facility for the conversion of raw materials -- raw material and usable material? Zaremba: Usable supplies is what I said, but I'm not -- McKinnon: Supplies? Anybody-- Zaremba: What is an unfinished product? Another word for an unfinished product. Interim product. Meridian Pianning & Zoning December 19, 2002 Page106of116 Wollen: And I don't know that it has to be an unfinished product and I hate to use it, because it's such a simplistic thing, but I always think of processed cheese. You know, you go through the processing to get to the finished product at that point, but certainly is a manufacturing, so -- Zaremba: But even that may not be the final product, because you are going to put it into a dish that you're going to cook. Freckleton: products? How about a facility for the conversion of raw materials into usable Zaremba: That works for me. Rohm: Period. Just leave it there. Zaremba: Yes and the distinction is raw materials. Manufacturing takes something that's already beyond the raw material stage. Freckleton: If you wanted to take it a step further, you could say products for use in manufacturing but that might get ugly. Zaremba: That would eliminate beef processing. Okay. I'm happy with that. Okay. Public uses. This is really just reorganization. Let me read it again real quick. Public parks, administrative and cultural buildings, publicly owned buildings, fire and police stations, libraries, post office and public utilities administration buildings. Does not include public land or businesses devoted solely to the storage of maintenance equipment and materials and public service facilities. Rohm: You rewrote the whole thing. Zaremba: I used all the same words in a different -- okay. What I did is I took most of the first paragraph and where it says does not include, and took that into its own paragraph. Then I joined the remaining sentences into one paragraph. What I was trying to do is keep things together, the positive things that it is together, and remove the not included things into their own group. Instead of starting out with three positives and, then, saying but not -- and then added four or five more positives. Again, that's just grammatical. McKinnon: You guys haven't been privy to what Bruce and I were talking about. Bruce was asking if there was some way that it would be possible to change the definition of public use to not include specific definitions as to what public uses are. For example, instead of saying that, you know, public parks, fire stations and police stations -- if there was some way of saying that it would be entities that are non-taxed, but Bruce is trying to go someplace -- not ultra specific -- Borup: It would just be the same thing -- well, owned by a public municipality. Meridian Planning & Zoning December 19, 2002 Page107of116 Zaremba: The thing to do would be to list quasi public in contrast to that. Quasi public says a use that is essentially a public use, although under private ownership or control so what the point up here is an entity that's under public ownership. McKinnon: Chairman Borup, could you say what you said a second ago? I think you nailed it right on the head. Borup: No, I -- probably maybe halfway there, but I think I did -- what did I say? I don't know exactly what I said. I said something to the effect of any building or property used by a municipality. I forgot what I said already. Okay. Public agency. Yes. What is a public -- I mean for right now, for Meridian, it's the City of Meridian, isn't it, and, then, the federal govemment, and school -- is school in with that, too? Freckleton: Sure. Borup: Okay. Schools aren't even mentioned here. Freckleton: My concern about having -- having specific-- Borup: Right. Freckleton: Having a specific one in here is you're going to leave something out. Borup: Yes. That's why it should say anything owned by-- Freckleton: So if we can get our arms around this and-- Zaremba: Well, it could be the point of this is the exclusions, not the inclusions. It's any facility generally open to the public and owned publicly, with the exception of storage and maintenance and equipment facilities that are not open to the public. Wollen: Commissioner Zaremba that would leave out fire and police stations, which are not typically open to the public. Centers: Well, anything supported with your tax dollars. Everything there is supported with your tax dollars, so -- Borup: How about -- I mean in here it already says publicly owned buildings and property. Maybe that's all it needs to say. Publicly owned buildings and property and, then, exclude -- McKinnon: Storage and maintenance? Borup: Yes. McKinnon: Public service facilities. Meridian Planning & Zoning December 19, 2002 Page108of118 Zaremba: Yes. Centers: Or you could just list a few -- the examples are. This list is not complete. You could have examples are: Post office, police stations, blah, blah. This list is not complete. McKinnon: Or you could do public uses such as -- or for example -- examples including, but not limited to. Borup: Yes. Centers: Right. Zaremba: Yes. Borup: But it still has to be owned by a public entity. That's the definition there, isn't it? McKinnon: So that something -- Borup: Of course, anything owned by a public entity, whether it's a building or property, except for whatever we wanted to exempt. Wollen: The same fear I always have with anything -- any definitions left open for interpretation is that, you know, the thought of abuse or gross misinterpretation. I just don't see that problem coming up here, so I think the examples are fine. Borup: How about with the new trend? Zaremba: How about something like -- Borup: Or course, that's where the building isn't publicly owned. Wollen: Or publicly owned or operated or -- well, I guess that would be -- Zaremba: Buildings or property generally open to public access or something like that. Wollen: The generally open to public access could also -- Zaremba: Be too broad. Wollen: Yes. McKinnon: Just an interesting thought. I have been doing this for a number of years and I don't think we have ever truly been challenged as to what a public use is. The code is silent to give a definition. I think as a layman's understanding what a public use Meridian Planning & Zoning December 19, 2002 Page 109 of 116 -- would be understood without having a definition in place. We could possibly just strike that. Borup: Okay. Just say public owned and leased? Isn't that what it is getting into -- I mean what's the police station? Freckleton: When you were talking about the new trend, how do you handle that situation? With a purchase under way, technically, they are not -- they don't own it. They are buying it on time. Borup: So it's not even a lease. Freckleton: Then, you have the whole thing with the Tax Commission and the whole bit so I -- is it technically a lease? I don't think so. It's a mortgage. Wollen: It wouldn't qualify as a lease. It would be something in between, so -- Zaremba: Well, I can see that he may not entirely. As long as we leave quasi-public in really, the point of having them there is that the two are a contrast, but I would at least leave quasi in and this could go. McKinnon: Is everybody okay with that? Borup: Take the public uses out? McKinnon: Just leave it out. It sounds like we all know what it is, but we can't quite put our finger on it. Which leads me to believe that it's not -- Nick noted that it's not questioned all that often. If it were vague, it really wouldn't be that big a deal to explain it. Centers: You're going to leave it in without the definition? McKinnon: Yes. Leave it in just without a definition. Zaremba: Okay. McKinnon: We will leave it in, but we just don't define it. Centers: They have got to ask. McKinnon: So I will just scribble this out and we won't include it in the definitions. That's fine with me. Zaremba: All right. Last page. McKinnon: Okay. Meridian Planning & Zoning December 19, 2002 Page 110of116 Zaremba: Repair major motor vehicle and repair minor motor vehicle, I would just take both 0 f those 0 ut. Y ou have got t hem already covered. Y ou established t he motor vehicle body shop and motor vehicle repair. Borup: We had the body shop -- Zaremba: Which covers all of the subjects. I would just take these two out. McKinnon: Do we have body shop defined? If we do, I would be more than happy to get rid of them. Zaremba: Yes. Motor vehicle body shop and motor vehicle repair are defined. McKinnon: Okay. That's fine with me. Zaremba: So I would take these two out. McKinnon: Yes. That would be fine. We will have to remember-- Borup: Well, then, you have to take out excluding frame straightening, don't you because that was included in the other? McKinnon: And the reason why both of those are defined is because they are found separately in the industrial zone. In 11-8, that's the schedule of use control, in the motor vehicle repair -- where is the body shop? Zaremba: We should make a note to fix that when we get there. McKinnon: Yes. It is listed differently. I have no problem with eliminating both of them. Is the vehicle straightening not included in the other, Chairman Borup? Borup: Pardon? McKinnon: The straightening -- body straightening, is that not included in the -- Borup: In the motor vehicle repair it says excluding frame straightening, bodywork, and painting under motor vehicle repair. Zaremba: Because that's body shop right above it. That's what -- Borup: Oh. McKinnon: Yes. Yes. It looks like that it's a duplicity there. Borup: I'm sorry. Yes so the body shop -- so these others are just duplicated, aren't they? Meridian Planning & Zoning December 19, 2002 Page111of116 McKinnon: That would be fine with me to strike both of those if you guys are in favor of striking that. Okay. Zaremba: Okay. Restaurants. McKinnon: Okay. Zaremba: Any building or part thereof in which the principal use is the preparation of food and beverage for consumption on site or carry out or serving or something -- because manufacturing plants could prepare food and package it and ship it. McKinnon: Yes. Zaremba: For consumption on site or carry out. McKinnon: Okay. Zaremba: Okay. School. McKinnon: Okay. Zaremba: Second sentence. This definition includes nursery schools, kindergarten, elementary schools, junior high schools, and senior high schools -- do we want to add charter schools? McKinnon: Well, charter schools -- Zaremba: Is a normal school, but has a course required by the state. McKinnon: No more than 200 kids and typically they are associated either with the charter junior high school or the charter high school. I guess there are some charter high schools that have multi levels in all of them. Zaremba: The option would be to actually have a sentence that says school, charter. Do you have a separate definition? Wollen: I don't think there would be any reason to add to the school definition. McKinnon: Any reason to leave it out or any reason not to leave it out? Wollen: I don't see any reason to leave it out, not to include it in this definition. McKinnon: Okay. I will just add charter high school. Zaremba: So junior high school, senior high school, charter school? Meridian Planning & Zoning December 19, 2002 Page 112of116 McKinnon: Charter school. Zaremba: Yes. McKinnon: Charter school. Okay. Zaremba: And at the end of that same paragraph, in parenthesis it says see alternative school. McKinnon: That's right down below it. We don't have a definition for that. Zaremba: I'm going to give you one. Freckleton: Thank you. Zaremba: But in parenthesis I would switch it to say see school, comma, alternative. McKinnon: Alternative. Okay. Zaremba: So here is my suggestion. Again, I will read it real quick and we can discuss it. School, alternative, slash, educational programs, a facility primarily devoted to education and/or socialization of at risk person, such as drop-outs, delinquents, or persons with learning disabilities, regardless of whether the school is public or private, for profit or not, daytime or residential, for minors or adults. McKinnon: The residential scares me. That was one of the reasons we had a hard time defining this, was the -- I don't know if you were on the Commission at the time, Commissioner Zaremba, when we had the -- Zaremba: I wasn't. I heard about it, but I wasn't. McKinnon: We had the one on Pine and the reason they didn't want that is because they didn't feel it was appropriate in a residential neighborhood and there was a huge amount of discussion with that. I guess only two of you that were here and that was one of the things we have tried to stay away from, is to not allow that in a residential in the future. It really didn't fall under schools that they were proposing and we didn't want that to be defined as a school and allow that in a residential but that's the only thing that I heard in your definition -- Zaremba: Well, I wasn't meaning in a residential zone, I was meaning whether the students are boarding students or -- McKinnon: Okay. Meridian Planning & ZOning December 19, 2002 Page 113 of 116 Centers: I don't think you need to define it, but where you get into it is in the zoning, residential. That's what we have to look at school alternative, slash, and education program, none of the above. You know, make them ask what it is. McKinnon: Just leave it undefined? Centers: Yes. McKinnon: Okay. Wollen: And the State Code might have its own definition on this, too. Yes. I believe the school district would have to have a definition of it, so -- McKinnon: Do you guys want to include Commissioner Zaremba's comments or do you want to leave it vague and leave it up to State Code and the school district to define it? Borup: Well, it sounds like if there is an existing definition -- Zaremba: If there were a definition, I would use it. I was making it up, because I heard the discussion before. McKinnon: Yes Meridian School District. Centers: It doesn't matter to me, as long as it's covered in the zoning. McKinnon: As long as it's in the schedule of use control? That's something we will have to address soon. Okay. Are we leaving it out? I'm partially keeping these notes for any motion, so that when you make the motion it can be according to all the changes. Zaremba: Well, I would leave the title in there. McKinnon: Okay. Zaremba: A nd, then, I probably would seek to see if there is a state definition 0 r a school district definition. McKinnon: So we will just -- it's in the schedule of use right now and I will just read it better. Okay. Got it. Zaremba: Then, under school, private commercial, a school, regardless of whether it is operated for profit, primarily devoted to instruction -- and, then, I would add, in selected subjects, such as -- the distinction is that a school -- just school as a whole curriculum. A school private commercial usually only has selected subjects. Devoted to instruction in selected subjects, such as -- Meridian Planning & Zoning December 19, 2002 Page 114of118 McKinnon: Okay. Such as dance, music, art, language, et cetera. Zaremba: Then, there is -- farther down -- McKinnon: Bruce just brought up an interesting point that is outside the issue. He said how do we fit a -- he asked how a Christian School would fit in, like the one we just approved over here at the old high school. If it would fall under the definition of school, Bruce, because it would -- Zaremba: Yes. Under the regular school, whether private -- public or private it says. Wollen: So the difference, then, Commissioner Zaremba, is whether or not there is a full curriculum or it centers on one specific. Zaremba: It probably doesn't have martial arts and it doesn't have -- McKinnon: Okay. Zaremba: Then, farther down there is technical school. I would either say that the trade above, school, comma, trade vocational, satisfies that. McKinnon: Where are we? Trade vocational schools? So strike technical school? Zaremba: So I would strike the whole thing. McKinnon: That's fine with me. Zaremba: And would you believe I'm done. Centers: Now, you have got to make the motion. McKinnon: I have got all the changes right here for you, Commissioner Zaremba, on all three items, if you want to just follow through the notes that I have made. Zaremba: I would recommend approval as amended. I wouldn't even read all of that. Wollen: I think we are fine with it. Borup: That would be an exhibit. Centers: You need to name the three items that we are approving on. Zaremba: Yes. So, Mr. Chairman, I move that we forward to the City Council recommending approval of the Wireless Communications Tower Ordinance -- Borup: We didn't close the Public Hearing. Meridian Planning & Zoning December 19, 2002 Page 11501116 Zaremba: Oh, we have a Public Hearing. I'm sorry. Mr. Chairman -- Borup: I'd like to hear from everybody that's out in the audience. Zaremba: Any further comments? Yes, but look how much stuff we have cleaned up while we are staying a little later tonight. Borup: We have heard from everybody, so we could close the hearing. Zaremba: And I will have no further comments on it. Mr. Chairman, I move we close the Public Hearing on Items 7, 8, and 9 of our agenda. Rohm: Second. Borup: Motion and second. All in favor? MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES Zaremba: M r. Chairman, I move that we forward to the City Council recommending approval 0 f t he new Wireless Communications Tower 0 rdinance a s a mended during this discussion. Borup: Do them one at a time? Is that what you'd like? Okay. Rohm: Second. Borup: Motion and second. All in favor? MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES Zaremba: Mr. Chairman, I move that we have forward to the City Council recommending approval of the amendment to the Meridian City Code 11-2-2, ~ Definitions of the Zoning Regulations Ordinance, with the understanding that these are additions to some existing, to include the changes as discussed. Rohm: Second. Borup: Motion and second. All in favor. MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES Zaremba: Mr. Chairman, I move we forward to the City Council recommending approval of the amendment to the Meridian City Code 11-15-5, Posting Requirements, to include the changes made during the recent discussion. Rohm: I'll second. Meridian Planning & Zoning December 19, 2002 Page 116of116 Borup: Motion and second. All in favor? MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES Centers: I move we adjourn. Mathes: Second. Borup: All in favor? MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES MEETING ADJOURNED AT 12:27 AM. (TAPE ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS) APPROVED: I I DATE KEITH BORUP, CHAIRMAN ATTESTED: WILLIAM G. BERG, JR., CITY CLERK