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Home My WebLink AboutPZ - Applicant's Response to Traffic Study Comments Summary of Comments on 2025-04-08 Bob and Diane Hough Public Comment RE-Traffic Study.pdf April 7,2025 Page:1 Author:ggand Subject:Note Date:4/16/2025 11:05:40 PM TO: Meridian Planning &Zoning ATTN: Chris Johnson The Focused Traffic Analysis measured existing traffic volumes as of late 2024,at which time all of the residential units mentioned in this comment appear to have been constructed.Therefore,traffic associated RE: Presenting My Findings with these additional units is accounted for in the existing conditions analysis. Regarding the In-N-Out Burgers Application Process DISCUSSION: I would appreciate being considered to speak for the allowed 3 minutes and permission to distribute 2 pages of notes to interested participants. I will bring copies of my handout for the public and request you provide copies to the Planning&Zoning Commission for their review&discussion at our meeting on April 17, 2025 at 6:00 pm. I have spoken with Gary Moore of SLC,Utah who puts in all the Burger Kings in Idaho. I was hopeful he had a non-compete clause in his contract. He shared that he had included that clause but it was denied by the Gasser Family Business(I believe Trevor Gasser). Moore elected to proceed with that location at Ten Mile near Chinden. David Turnbull of Brighton Corporation sold the perimeter properties to the Gasser Family Business(pronounced Gosser)while Brighton proceeded to Develop Bainbridge(with a team of builders.). We now have 573 homes in Bainbridge. Brighton also created the gated community of Cadence,with 162 homes and the Olivia Apartments (115 Units),adjacent to the Costco property in this Mixed Use Project. The 2017 original"Overall TIA"which was used by the by the Ganddini Group, Inc.makes no mention of these additional units in their 91 page Focus Traffic Analysis dated January 21,2025. 1 am hopeful to help Gasser find a more suitable location for the proposed In-N-Out Burgers and secure a compatible tenant for the North Ten Mile/Chinden location. Thank you in advance. Bainbridge Subdivision Homeowner 5876 N Vicenza Avenue Respectfully, Meridian, ID 83646 208-866-8594 Dianne Hough, Realtor dianne@amherst-madison.com Page:2 Author:qqand Subject:Note Date:4/16/2025 11:24:10 AM EXCERPTS FROM THE 91 PAGE GANDDINI REPORT SUBMITTED TO PLANNING&ZONING. Correct.The Chinden and Ten Mile Mixed Use Development project and Overall TIA evaluated impacts (Page I) associated with the proposed development quantities for that project,which included development of the BACKGROUND AND Pt arost, proposed In-N-Out site. The project site is located within the approved and nearly built-out Chinden&Ten Mile Mixed-Use Author:qqand Subject:Note Date:4/16/2025 12:17:10 PM Development["Overall Development"].Traffic impacts and mitigation for the overall development were These homes were already constructed at the time of preparation of the Focused Traffic Study and previously evaluated in the Transportation Impact Study Chinden&Ten Mile Mixed-Use Development (Kittelson associated traffic is accounted for in the existing conditions traffic counts that were conducted in 2024. &Associates,September 2017)["Overall TIA"]. The Overall TIA considered development of a 166.000 square foot Costco Wholesale warehouse and gasoline station.60.000 square feet of retail pads.11 apartment Author:qqand Subject:Note Date:4/16/2025 10:50:29 PM dwelling units.and 162 single-family dwelling units.The project site is located in area designated as shopping The traffic study includes an Opening Year analysis scenario that increases existing volumes by 4%to center,which includes restaurants,within the Overall Development plan;therefore,the Overall TIA account for ambient traffic growth associated with other developments. adequately considered development of the project site with the proposed land use. 166,000 Sq Ft COSTCO plus gas station is mentioned 60,000 Sq Ft of retail pads of which the subject property belongs 162 Single Family Dwelling is now known as the Gated Community of Cadence 115 Apartments and amenities now known as Olivia BUT WHERE ARE THE 573 HOMES OF BAINBRIDGE AND THE LOTS BRIGHTON SOLD TO GORY BARTON HOMES FOR DEVELOPMENT? ALL OF THESE HOMES AND APARTMENTS AND CADENCE USE THE 4 ENTRANCES TO COSTCO BUILDING,COSTCO PARKING AND GAS STATION. (2 OFF CHINDEN,2 OFF TEN MILE, PLUS EAST AND WEST LOST RAPIDS.). AGREEING WITH A STUDY DONE IN 2017 CALLED(OVERALL TIA) DOES NOT GIVE AN ACCURATE PICTURE OF 2025. THE CONGESTION IS FORMIDABLE. OF ALL THESE ENTITIES,BAINBRIDGE SUBDIVISION AND THE OLIVIA APARTMENTS ARE THE MOST NEGATIVELY EFFECTED WITH AN IN-N-OUT ON THAT CORNER. THE OLIVIA RESIDENTS ARE NOT HOMEOWNERS. THEY RENT OR LEASE THEIR DWELLINGS. IN ADDITION,THE NEW FAST EDDY'S CHEVRON IS NEAR COMPLETION. IT WILL BE HEAVILY USED BY CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS COMING OFF THE FREEWAY AND HEADING NORTH TO CHINDEN TO DELIVER GOODS TO THE BOON IN CONSTRUCTION TO THE WEST AS WELL AS IN STAR,MIDDLETON, NAMPA NORTH AND NOW EMMETT. I KNOW THESE AREAS ARE NOT YOUR CONCERN BUT AS MERIDIAN RESIDENTS—IT EFFECTS OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. PLEASE GIVE OUR CONCERNS SOME CONSIDERATION AS YOU EVALUATE THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. Page:3 Author:ggand Subject:Note Date:4/16/2025 12:18:21 PM EXCERPTS FROM THE 91 PAGE GANDDINI REPORT SUBMITTED TO PLANNING&ZONING. This traffic study was prepared at the Applicant's prerogative rather than a formal development requirement (Page 1 &?! from the City.According to the project Applicant,City staff suggested preparation of a traffic analysis focused on the adjacent signalized study intersection and four roadway segments included in the study. The study area consists of the following study intersection and roadway segments most likely to be affected Comments from Ada County Highway District and Idaho Transportation Department did not express concerns by the proposed project: regarding the project's impact. Author:ggand Subject:Note Date:4/16/2025 10:52:03 PM Studv Intersection These traffic increases are accounted for in the traffic study.The analysis measures the impact of adding • Ten Mile Road at Lost Rapids Drive traffic generated by the proposed In-N-Out to the existing measured traffic volumes. Study Roadway Segments • Ten Mile Road north of Lost Rapids Drive Ten Mile Road south of Lost Rapids Drive • Lost Rapids Drive west of Ten Mile Road • Lost Rapids Drive east of Ten Mile Road AS SUGGESTED ON THE FIRST PAGE OF THIS DOCUMENT,THE SCOPE OF ANALYSIS IS TOO LIMITED BY ONLY EVALUATING THE TWO STREETS THAT BORDER THE SUBJECT PROJECT. By definition,Ten Mile is a primary corridor that moves traffic North to Chinden a few blocks and South to the Freeway access and miles beyond. Lost Rapids is a narrow neighborhood street running East and West across now a very busy Ten Mile and through two subdivisions namely Loscha Falls and Bainbridge. The main entrance to Bainbridge is west of the Costco on Chinden. Both Chinden and Ten Mile have shown considerable traffic increases over the past 5 years since we bought our home in Bainbridge. WHILE IN-N-OUT WOULD LIKE TO CAPITALIZE ON THAT GROWTH,IT WOULD BE ENCROACHING ON A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD,FILLED WITH FAMILIES AND LOTS OF ACTIVE CHILDREN. THE BLENDING-IN OF CADENCE HAS BEEN A BLESSING FOR BAINBRIDGE AS WE ALL ENJOY WALKING OUR DOGS IN OUR SPACIOUS PARK. BETTER SUITED FOR THIS LOCATION WOULD BE A SERVICE LIKE AN ORTHODONTIST OFFICE OR POSSIBLY AN EMERGENCY CARE FACILITY. TO BE FAIR,LAST OCTOBER BAINBRIDGE CONDUCTED AN EMAIL SURVEY OF OUR MANY RESIDENTS REGARDING IF THEY WANTED AN IN-N-OUT AT THAT CORNER. 42%OF OUR 573 HOUSEHOLDS RESPONDED WHICH IS A FAIR REPRESENTATION. THE RESULTS WERE 90%AGAINST AND 10%FOR. CADENCE HAS IT'S OWN HOA AND I HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE THAT THEY HAVE BEEN QUITE ACTIVE IN NOT WANTING THE IN-N-OUT BURGERS SO CLOSE TO THEIR GATED COMMUNITY. WE ALL WANTED TO BE HEARD THEN-AND WE ALL WANT TO BE HEARD NOW. This page contains no comments In-N-Out Burger (Ten Mile & Lost Rapids) H-2024-0058 In-n-Out Burger at Ten Mile - CUP Review of: Focused Traffic Analysis Presented to Meridian Planning and Zoning Bob Hough 5876 N Vicenza Ave Meridian, ID April 17, 2025 Distribution of submitted comments: Hard copy to Planning and Zoning Commissioners Electronic copy(PDF)to meeting AV staff and Commissioners Page 1 H-2024-0058 April 17,2025 Page:5 Author:qqand Subject:Note Date:4/16/2025 10:54:05 PM According to the project Applicant,City staff suggested preparation of a traffic analysis focused on the adjacent signalized study intersection and four roadway segments included in the study.Typically,the study Planning and Zoning Commissioners: area for traffic studies does not include such internal drive aisle intersections.For example,the study area in the TA for the overall shopping center did not include such internal intersections. Author:qqand Sublect:Note Date:4/16/2025 10:53:45 PM This information is submitted in response to the request for a conditional See responses on following pages. use permit for an In-N-Out Burger business, to be located at Ten Mile and Author:qqand Sublect:Note Date:4/16/2025 10:57:24 PM Lost Rapids, In the Chinden &Ten Mlle Mixed-Use Development. Updated traffic data contained in the Focused Traffic Analysis indicates that Lost Rapids Drive west of Ten Mile Road would operate within acceptable Level of Service,suggesting access to noted homes and park The Focused Traffic Analysis submitted by the applicant in support of would not be substantially impacted by the project. request H-2024-0058 is focused on the following: 1. The traffic flow at the intersection of Ten Mile and Lost Rapids 2. The traffic flow through the proposed In-N-Out Burger business In a letter dated February 4, 2025,Todd M. Smith states: "The traffic analysis demonstrates that the construction and operation of the proposed In-N-Out Burger at Ten Mile and Lost Rapids will not create any significant traffic impacts to the surrounding roadways, ... ". However, the traffic analysis of the surrounding roadways does not include analysis of the the roadways inside the Development. The increased traffic due to the construction and operation of the proposed In-N-Out Burger will obviously impact the roadways inside the Development. The roadways inside the Development include the access roads, intersections, and driveways used by customers and employees of businesses in the Development. The following pages identify the choke points, congestion areas, and hazardous left turns that currently exist. Mitigation of these problem areas is not realistic.The expected volume of increased traffic due to In-N-Out Burgers will significantly and negatively impact traffic flow on the roadways inside the Development. Outside the Development, the increased traffic flow from In-N-Out patrons DE will negatively impact resident and guest access to homes and the Keith Bird Neighborhood Park. In conclusion,the traffic analysis supporting the H-2024-0058 request greatly understates the impact of the In-N-Out Burger traffic on the customers, neighbors, and other users of the Development. For these reasons, my wife and I, and many residents of the Bainbridge, Cadence, and Olivia living communities do not support the H-2025-0058 request for a conditional use permit. Thank you for your consideration. Page 2 H-2024-0058 April 17,2025 This page contains no comments 1-v — �r r.r fllerr:e L Z(lr Nhi p it 1 1 �� R f IG 1 ► tr^c 1►; T; 1-2 R-1 1-1 , _ Ir�I►F, i D-1 �. �• J u, D-3 i D-4 ri r i D-5 f ' J j/Site f * 1 R-2 j [ 1-3 1. R-1: Access Road connecting Ten Mile Rd and the Development f R-2: Access Road connecting Lost Rapids and the Development 1-1: Intersection of Ten Mile Rd and the R-1 Access Road 1-2: Intersection of R-1 Access Road and R-2 Access Road 1-3: Intersection of Lost Rapids and R-2 Access Road D-1: Driveway to/from Costco parking,Southernmost access D-2: Driveway to/from Cafe Rio,et al,parking area onto R-2 North or South D-3: Driveway to/from Olivia apartments D-4: New Driveway to/from In-N-Out Burger New Driveway to/from In-N-Out Burger 6Le end Study Intersection Figure 2 Project Location&Study Intersection Map rl� In-N-Out Burger(Ten Mile&Lost Rapids) VV a Focused Traffic Analysis 4 19787 Page 3 H-2024-0058 April 17,2025 Page:7 Author:ggand Subject:Note Date:4/16/2025 10:57:40 PM See response to 1-1. Author:ggand Subject:Note Date:4/16/2025 10:57:44 PM Forecast to operate within acceptable LOS per ACHD standards. Existing Traffic Flow Problem Areas In-N-Out will operate overflow management plan as necessary to ensure cars do not block the access road. R-1 -Access Road connecting Ten Mile Rd and the Development. p—_ Author:ggand Subject:Note Date:4/16/2025 10:58:34 PM • One inbound lane and two outbound lanes Current design is consistent with the Overall TIA.There are two outbound lanes,including one dedicated left • High volume entry to Development from Ten Mile Southbound traffic turn lane to accommodate the queue of cars waiting to turn.An existing two-way left turn lane median on Ten • Outbound left turn lane must cross three lanes on Ten Mile Rd and merge with nort ound Mile Road provides a refuge allowing the outbound left turn to be performed in two stages.A gap in SB or NB traffic. Hazardous. See 1-1. traffic flow is only required for one direction at a time. Author:ggand Sublect:Note Date:4/16/2025 10:58:39 PM R-2-Access Road connecting Lost Rapids and the Development. 0_ Queuing in the NB and SB directions would occur on-site within the shopping center.This is generally • High volume traffic access road for patrons from Ten Mile and Lost Rapids — considered acceptable and would not disrupt off-site roadways. • Natural congestion point because high traffic volume • Provides driveway access to and from several existing businesses,includin ountain Author:ggand Subiect:Note Date:4/16/2025 10:59:07 PM America CU and Burger King Patrons accessing In-N-Out would mostly perform right hand turns,which are free flow movements and would • If the In-N-Out Burger Overflow process is not in operation,this Ac s Road could have the least impact compared to other movements at this intersection. become blocked to through traffic because of cars queued to e r In-N-Out through bo Author:ggand Subject:Note Date:4/16/2025 11:04:33 PM In-N-Out driveways. D1 thru D4:The majority of In-N-Out patrons are expected to access the site via Lost Rapids Drive and NB R-2 Access Road.In-N-Out patrons entering the site from the NB direction on R-2 Access Road would 1-1 -Intersection of Ten Mile Rd and the RI Access Road. perform right turns into the project site;this movement has the right-of-way and would cause minimal delay to • Left turns permitted,both inbound and outbound. through vehicles.Vehicles exiting the In-N-Out site would yield to through traffic on R-2 Access Road. • Left turn outbound requires Ten Mile to be open both North and South reates qu a of Vehicles entering the In-N-Out site from SB R-2 Access Road would yield to NB through traffic•,this cars waiting to turn.Hazardous because cars must cross three Ian of traffic fr two movement may cause brief queues to trailing vehicles,however this is a smaller percentage of the project's different directions. overall trip generation and any queues would occur within the shopping center.The In-N-Out site would • Cars turning right block view of Northbound traffic on Ten M' to Left tur ' g cars on R1. provide at least two inbound lanes at all times via the northerly driveway. 1-2-Intersection of R1 Access Road and R2 Access Road n • Significant congestion point • Stop signs North and South,but not inbound from Ten Mile- auses congestion beca e North/South traffic has to wait on inbound traffic from Te ile 1-3-Intersection of Lost Rapids and R2 Access Road • High volume intersection with one stop sign • Cars exiting the Development must wait for Lost Rapids traffic both directio s • Primary entrance for In-N-Out patrons from Ten Mile D-1 -Driveway to/from Costco parking,Southernmost access n • Not usually congested,waits for R2 traffic before merging • Would be impacted by increased In-N-Out Northbound traffic on R2 D-2-Driveway to/from Cafe Rio,at al,parking area onto R2 North or South • Single Driveway for these businesses • Would be impacted by In-N-Out Northbound patrons on R2 D-3-Driveway to/from Olivia apartments • Would be impacted by In-N-Out patrons leaving INO parking • Traffic on R2 Access Road does not stop • Olivia residents have alternate driveways to enter/exit premises D-4 and D-5-New Driveways to/from In-N-Out Burger • Natural congestion points due to traffic from all directions-no stop signs • D-5 is open or closed depending on management of overflow traffic Page 4 H-2024-0058 April 17,2025