HomeMy WebLinkAbout2024-12-17 Work Session Meridian City Council Work Session December 17, 2024.
A Meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order at 4:30 p.m. Tuesday,
December 17, 2024, by Mayor Robert Simison.
Members Present: Robert Simison, Luke Cavener, Liz Strader, John Overton, Doug
Taylor, Anne Little Roberts and Brian Whitlock.
Other Present: Chris Johnson, Bill Nary, Kurt Starman, Debbie Hoopes, Todd Lavoie,
Tracy Basterrechea, Steve Taulbee and Dean Willis.
ROLL-CALL ATTENDANCE
X Liz Strader X Brian Whitlock
Anne Little Roberts _X_ John Overton
_X_ Doug Taylor _X_Luke Cavener
X Mayor Robert E. Simison
Simison: Council, we will call this meeting to order. For the record it is December 17th,
2024, at 4:30 p.m. We will begin this City Council work session with roll call attendance.
ADOPTION OF AGENDA
Simison: Next up is the adoption of the agenda.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: I move that we adopt the agenda as published.
Overton: Second.
Simison: Have a motion and a second to adopt the agenda is published. Is there any
discussion? If not, all in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay? The ayes have it
and the agenda is agreed to.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
CONSENT AGENDA [Action Item]
1. Approve Minutes of the December 3, 2024 City Council Regular
Meeting
2. TM Creek Subdivision Water Main Easement No. 1 (ESMT-2024-0167)
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3. Watts Meridian Medical Partners Subdivision Full Release of Sanitary
Sewer and Water Main Easement (ESMT-2024-0168)
4. Watts Meridian Medical Partners Subdivision Release of Water Main
Easement (ESMT-2024-0169)
5. Watts Meridian Medical Partners Subdivision Full Release of Water
Main Easement (ESMT-2024-0170)
6. Calvery Chapel Sanitary Sewer and Water Main Easement Partial
Release (ESMT-2024-0171)
7. Final Plat for Alexander's Landing Subdivision (FP-2024-0023) by KB
Homes, located at 4574 W. Quarterhorse Ln.
8. Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law for Addison Circle Subdivision
(H-2024-0040) by Centurion Engineers, Inc., located at 4635 N. Black
Cat Rd.
9. Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law for Apex Phenomenal (H-2024-
0041) by Brighton Corporation, generally located on the north side of
E. Lake Hazel Rd. approximately 1/4 mile west of S. Locust Grove Rd.
10. Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law for Black Cat East (H-2024-
0047) by Sawtooth Development, located at 935 S. Black Cat Rd.
11. Approval of Agreement for Supply to Western States Equipment
Company of Caterpillar Generators, Generator Parallel Switchgear,
Controls, Software, and System Upgrade Services for the Not-To-
Exceed amount of $211,914.12
12. Approval of Construction Contract to Cascade Enterprises, Inc. for
Well# 29 Pumping Facility Upgrades for the Not-To-Exceed Amount
of $233,000.00
13. Approval of Construction Contract to Irminger Construction, Inc. for
Well 31-Water Treatment Facility-Construction for the Not-To-Exceed
Amount of $1,599,528.00
14. Approve the agreement to Motorola Solutions for the Not-to-Exceed
amount of $788,290.47 and authorize the Procurement Manager to
execute the contract and issue the Purchase Order for the amount
Not-to-Exceed $788,290.47
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15. Dog Licensing Designee Agreements Between the City of Meridian
and Meridian Veterinary Hospital, Pet Care Clinic, and Settler's Park
Veterinary Hospital
16. Fiscal Year 2025 Net-Zero Budget Amendment in the Amount of
$5,000.00 for Water Tower Championship Sponsorship
17. Resolution 24-2496: Approval of lease of Meridian City Hall office
space to Congressman Russ Fulcher for District Office for the Not-
To-Exceed Amount of $1,881.00 per month
Simison: First up is the Consent Agenda.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: I move that we approve the Consent Agenda, for the Mayor to sign and Clerk
to attest.
Overton: Second.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to approve the Consent Agenda. Is there any
discussion? If not, all in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay? The ayes have it
and the Consent Agenda is agreed to.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
ITEMS MOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA [Action Item]
Simison: There are no items moved from the Consent Agenda.
DEPARTMENT / COMMISSION REPORTS [Action Item]
18. Discussion of Request from Ada County and Ada County Emergency
Medical Services District concerning Countywide Development
Impact Fees
Simison: So, with that we will go on to Item 18, which is Department/Commission
Reports and first item up is discussion of request from Ada county and Ada County
Emergency Medical Services District concerning countywide development impact fees
and I will turn this over to Kurt.
Starman: Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Members of Council. This is a topic familiar to some
of you, but it's been a couple years since we had this discussion, so I will take a little bit
of time to provide some context and we have guests from the county here today to go
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into more detail about the content of their proposal and the request of the city. Let me
just kind of start with about -- kind of paint the -- the broad brush of what we hope to
accomplish today. This is not an action item for the Council, it's an information item and
we are seeking some direction. Again, this is a new topic for the City of Meridian. It's
been a couple years or perhaps a bit longer and so the county is looking to implement
on a countywide basis development impact fees for some particular services. One of
which is not relevant to the incorporated cities and that pertains to the Sheriff's
Department, but the other three do require the cooperation and participation of all the
incorporated cities in Ada county and so they -- perhaps when they make their
presentation they can sort of tell you more about their process and where they are with
respect to communications and discussions with other -- some of our fellow cities
elsewhere in Ada county as well. This is a request from two entities. It's Ada county,
but it's also the Ada County Emergency Medical Services District. For ease of
discussion I'm just going to refer to both entities as the county, but just for clarity we are
really talking about two entities that would require the city's cooperation and
participation with. As I mentioned it's countywide development impact fees that would
be relevant to Meridian, but the other incorporated cities as well in three particular areas
of the coroner's office, EMS and the jail facility and, again, the county will get into some
more detail about that in a few minutes here. The -- in some ways on a -- sort of really
basic level at the ten thousand foot level this is somewhat similar to the city's
relationship with the Ada County Highway District and you are -- Council is likely aware
that the city collects impact fees for itself and with respect to police, fire and parks and,
then, we also through our development process collect impact fees on behalf of ACHD.
That's -- this is sort of a similar concept with -- with some significant and perhaps
profound differences as well and so I want to focus on those differences. I am not sure
that was clear in 2022. Unlike ACHD, which has the statutory ability to pass an
ordinance -- a development impact fee ordinance on a countywide basis and collect
those fees on a countywide basis, Ada county does not have that ability. Courts have
long held that county ordinances are only effective in the unincorporated area. City
ordinances are only effective within our incorporated area. And so to the extent the
county wishes to have a fee program that covers the entire county, both unincorporated
and incorporated areas, they need the cities -- all cities to participate and to assist with
that process. So, that's a fundamental difference between the ACHD model, if I can
refer to it that way, and what the county is proposing before you today and they did in
the past as well and more specifically what they need from all -- all the cities, including
Meridian, is the cities to agree to an intergovernmental agreement, which is required by
state law. They need all the cities to adopt the county capital improvement plans that
are relevant to -- to form the basis for the impact fees that are being proposed. Those
get incorporated into each city's comprehensive plan and, then, lastly each city needs to
adapt -- adopt a development impact fee ordinance similar to the ordinance that we
have adopted to collect impact fees for parks, fire and police, we would adopt -- if the
Council was so inclined we would head down that path of adopting an ordinance that
would be specific to the fees I mentioned earlier for coroner, EMS, and jail. I think a
tricky part of this process is that we have so many jurisdictions involved and really we
are not quite first out of the chute, but in some ways I think we are -- we are farther
along than others. I know the counties had some discussions with mayors of different
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jurisdictions, in some cases with the development impact fee advisory committees of
different jurisdictions, but there is still some initial work with all of our fellow cities. So,
we are a little bit ahead of the game and I think importantly, therefore, we need to be
thoughtful if the City of Meridian wishes to participate or continue to explore participation
we need to be sort of careful and thoughtful how we do that and in the -- in your memo
before you today we outlined sort of a four step conservative approach that we think
would -- if Council is inclined to go in that direction would provide -- would help the
county achieve its goal, but also provide protections from the city, as also importantly --
and I will talk more about that near the end of our presentation today, so I won't
elaborate more right at the moment, but those steps are outlined in your memo as well.
Really the goal -- and we can't quite get there one hundred percent, but from the staff
perspective at least the goal is to contractually make this as close to the ACHD model
as possible. So, we can't get quite to the ACHD model, because we have to adopt the
CIPs, we have to adopt an ordinance and we have to be involved in all those activities.
But contractually the goal is to make it as -- that we become more of a facilitator and
that the county does the heavy lifting, just like ACHD does the heavy lifting for its fees.
The accounting, appeals, the work on the CIPs, update to CIPs, making use of the
county's existing development impact fee advisory committee, which knows these
topics, our committee does not, you know, we don't know anything about jails, we don't
know anything about -- or that's a bit of exaggeration. We don't know as much about
EMS and some other areas as others. So, the goal here, if we head down this path, is
to do an incremental approach and also contractually to make us more of a facilitator to
the greatest extent possible and to have the county sort of carry the more heavy
burden, which is appropriate, because the fees are being used to build -- to build county
facilities. We also think the four step implementation plan in your memo is helpful in the
sense that -- I think it would -- from a staff perspective there is concern that we don't
want to have it create unlevel playing fields where Meridian, for example, elects to
participate and a different or one or more other cities choose not to, that's just an
unlevel playing field. If we are collecting fees on behalf of the county and others are
not, that's not a fair situation. So, the implementation plan before you that we will talk
about more after the county presentation, provides a solution for that where potentially
we would adopt the county CIPs, enter into an intergovernmental agreement and, then,
pause and, then, once the county gets the other cities on board and they do what they
need to do, only at that time would the City of Meridian take the final step, which would
be the ordinance that would actually allow us to collect the fees on behalf of the county.
So, I think that's a way to avoid that unlevel playing field problem and I think it also is a
way for us to be good partners with the county to show support and to be helpful to
them and help advance the ball. So, that's kind of the game plan for today. The county
is going to now present on kind of the detail of what they are proposing and the detail of
how the numbers were generated. Once they finish that I will come back and talk a little
bit more about those implementation steps that I alluded to. I'm happy to answer
questions now or Mr. Rutherford from the county is prepared to kind of introduce his
team and -- and kick off that part of the presentation.
Simison: Thank you, Kurt. Council, any questions? All right. Good afternoon, Steve.
Nice to see you.
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Rutherford: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, thank you very much. It's kind of
bizarre being here. I have a history in Meridian. Before I got here I used to wrestle
Tracy Basterrechea in wrestling. This -- like in grade school. In the late '90s I was a
prosecutor and Mr. Overton -- Council Member Overton trained me, handed me off to --
to Council Member Cavener's dad, who finished my training as a prosecutor and, then, I
got handed off for -- for real finishing school to Council -- or to City Attorney Nary who
taught me how to be a city attorney. So, it's full circle. Really glad to be here. So
appreciate the opportunity. As Kurt mentioned, this has been kind of a stop-start. We
have been at this for some time. When we were here in '22 we had to pause because
we had to do some updating to our CIPs, particularly in EMS related to some -- some
fire stations we worked on with you all and we decided at that time, because we were
almost two years into our CIPs, that we better stop, redo all the CIPs and, then, start
again in earnest and so -- so here we are. I have all the folks I think in the room that
can answer the questions that you might have tonight. We have Leon Letson from our
Development Services, he is kind of the timeline process guy. We have Colin
McAweeney, who is our consultant, who helped us do all the CIPs and the impact fee
study and he is going to give the presentation tonight. We also, for those of you
interested in how the coroner's office operates, you have your elected Ada County
Coroner Rich Ripples in the room and he is happy to answer any questions as well. I
do want to let you know we really do appreciate your staff. Kurt has been great. We
have met with Todd Lavoie. Understandably they are nervous about this whole thing.
It's like countywide trust circle and the -- the -- the county commissioners are not
interested in a countywide impact fee where one city doesn't participate. So, we all go
together and we don't go at all. So, just to alleviate any fears, we will shut this thing
down if the city decides to balk. We haven't gotten to that point yet. There are positive
signs. We have got -- and Leon can talk to you about a couple of the cities have
already started through the process. I'm not sure they are ahead of you, but probably --
well, they probably are a little bit, but -- and we have a couple stragglers that we are still
working through some fine details, so -- but we will -- we are undaunted and we are
going to keep pressing. So, I'm going to hand off to Colin for the presentation. Thank
you.
McAweeney: Will I be able to operate it here? Okay. Wonderful. Mayor, Council
Members, I'm Colin McAweeney with Tischler Bice. I got a handful of slides to sort of
run through with you, more high level than -- than sort of the -- the whole report. I want
to take time to make sure that you are comfortable with the numbers and -- and
understand where -- where we got there. How we got there. The firm Tischler Bice
Colina, based over in Boise, we have -- sort of the foremost impact fee specialists in the
state. You are seeing about 78 1 believe communities throughout the state here that we
have worked with to do impact fees and other revenue strategies up through Bonner
County, throughout the Treasure Valley and, then, out east as well. Now, we got a
pretty good overview of -- of the process. We did sort of restart things in '23 to update
CIPs and -- and demand factors. We went through a lot of growth and so wanted to sit
down with department heads to understand different priorities and -- and -- and how
those CIPs reflect that. Also sort of elevated costs because we went through a big, you
know, inflationary period as well and as mentioned we are -- the full report included
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sheriff facilities, jail, coroner and EMS, but as we are engaging with the cities we are
only looking to hopefully have the cities participate for the jail, EMS and coroner
services -- or services that the cities don't provide, but the counties are providing or the
sheriff facilities, you know, station expansion. We are hoping to have those collected
within the unincorporated area, so -- so, really, we are just focusing on those three fee
categories there. The approach we have taken for -- for all of that analysis is called
incremental expansion approach and it's actually the same methodology that your
impact fees are under. A gentleman, Dwayne Guthrie, he used to be a Tischler Bice
employee and so he used the same methodologies that we have used here on -- on the
City of Meridian impact fee studies. You know, just wanted to sort of spell out kind of
the -- the sort of building blocks of these studies. Here is the growth projection for Ada
County countywide. We started this process to sort of update in '23. At that time we
had 544,000 people throughout the county, growing a little over one percent, 23 percent
over the next ten years. So, that's 125,000 new residents. Again we are looking at
these facilities as countrywide benefiting facilities, so we are looking at countywide
growth. On the commercial side we had 239,000, residents growing at a pretty good
clip as well, 18 percent over the next ten years, 43,000 new jobs or 17 million new
square feet of nonresidential development. So, I want to touch on the jail methodology.
Again it's called incremental expansion of approach and what we do here is look at
current levels of service. So, that's beds per thousand residents or square feet of facility
space per thousand residents. We set the impact fee to that current level of service
looking at current construction costs and as new folks come into the community, into
Ada county, they pay an impact fee to keep up with levels of service. So, we are not
overcharging growth. We are just sort of really protecting current levels of service and
we will expand our facilities as we are collecting those dollars to -- to ensure that we are
at least keeping up with current levels of service. Real changes from '21 where there
was a Pod E and F expansion in the '21 study, as right at this moment we are just
looking at Pod E and so there is actually a slight reduction in the CIP there and also
took a little bit more analysis on the -- the inmates within the jail. So, I wanted to sort of
hash that out a little bit further. So, the Ada County Jail also -- you know, it -- it -- it, you
know, houses folks that live within Ada county or folks that -- that, you know, commit a
crime within Ada county, but they also hold state prisoners as well, either those that are
sort of waiting for transport or sort of going through pre-trial elements, you know, with --
with the state and the -- the jail capacity is six -- sorry -- 949 inmates, sort of normal
day-to-day holding is 200 state prisoners, but vast majority of those state prisoners are
Ada county residents and so we didn't want to reduce out the full 200 from that level of
service, because a vast majority -- 95 percent of the state prisoners are actually Ada
county residents. So, attributing sort of that residency to Ada county demand and -- and
-- and growth. Now, ten percent -- or, sorry, five percent or ten of those inmates were
out of county prisoners and so we actually reduced the level of service just by one
percent, but -- but just ensuring that we are only look at that Ada county demand. We
also use call data from the Sheriff's Office to determine residential versus nonresidential
demand and, you know, very similar if you -- if you looked at your police and fire impact
fee, we start -- start looking at functional population or call data to understand where --
where your demand is coming from, residential and nonresidential. In this case it boils
down to 63 percent of that demand on -- on the -- the jail is from residential uses and,
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then, 37 percent from nonresidential uses. Here is a call out provided by the -- the jail
staff. This was prepared at the beginning of the year of '24, so slightly outdated, but it's
basically showing by the mid 2024 they were going to hit capacity. So, really just sort of
driving home the point, hey, we are reaching or at capacity, we need to expand our
capital facilities justifying the collection of -- of impact fees to make sure that we can
support the program. Level of service analysis, tons of numbers here. You know, just to
sort of walk you through, we have occupational capacity 949 beds being, you know,
assumed that all those beds are being occupied right now, because we are -- we are
sort of through '24. Now 99 percent of that is Ada county beds reducing out that one
percent, so about 940 beds. Value of 105 million dollars. Then you are going to see
that 63/37 percent split comparing that to current or 2023 population to get current level
of service and so that's about one bed per thousand residents. Then we get that cost
per person by applying level of service and cost of construction, which is about 112,000
dollars per bed. Combine those two you get a 121 dollars per person. We also
examine jail ancillary facilities. So, that's sort of what we were looking at is just the pods
where the inmates are held, but there is the medical units, work release, juvenile
detention center. Also vehicle maintenance areas. So, sort of working through levels of
service there. Smaller numbers, but really ensuring that we can help support their
growth related capital plan and you are seeing that here ten year CIP, just Pod E jail
expansion, 294 beds, you know, we have those locker rooms, warehousing, secured
entrance, all that related growth as we are needing to accommodate future residents.
Fifty-three million dollars there over the next ten years at the maxim portable impact
fees if all the -- if all the cities are participating we are projecting about 36 million dollars
to help support that CIP. Here is the breakdown by land use category. So, you have the
cost per person and, then, in cost per nonresidential vehicle trip, which is used to
calculate the nonresidential fee. Overall sort of countrywide average for a single family
home is 2.62 people per single family home. We have our cost factor of 197 dollars per
person, demand factor of 2.62 people to get us a maximum payroll fee for a single
family home of 516 dollars. Three hundred fifty-seven dollars for multi-family unit. You
build a 20 unit apartment building you pay 20X at that number there. On the
nonresidential side, 649 dollars per a thousand square feet of retail development, all the
way down to 163 dollars for industrial development, giving you an example -- or just
comparison here of what the 20 study indicated and actually kind of dropped on the non
-- or on the residential side. We saw some increases on the nonresidential side just --
just attributed to that call -- calls for service analysis. And I will walk through EMS and
coroner a little bit quicker. EMS we did the same analysis -- same approach.
Incremental expansion. We just looked at station space of Ada county paramedics
throughout the county. Compare that to current population to get current levels of
service. Based on that information the growth related need was 12,000 new square feet
of station space, one and a half acres of new land, six new units and some equipment.
here. That 12,000 square feet equates to about four and a half or five new stations.
That growth related need is ten million dollars to -- so to keep up with growth over the
next ten years the paramedics would have to expand by about ten million dollars. Here
is the CIP. So, we have actually five stations listed there, 16,000 square feet. Current
cost is about 581 dollars per square foot, slightly less than a fire station, but still
significant. So, that -- that total there is 9.5 million dollars in station. CIP, we need new
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land, we need new vehicles to accommodate growth. Also a little bit of equipment that
we can collect for in Idaho. Total cost here is 15 million dollars and actually meets and
exceed that growth related need. So, importantly, the CIP justifies collecting at today's
level of service onto new growth. Smaller numbers here, but -- but collecting for
facilities, land, vehicles, equipment and -- and the fee study, gets us 66 dollars per
person. Demand factors gets us the maximum fee amount. That's 117 dollars for a
single family home and that's kind of actually right -- right where we fell in the '21 study.
Coroner, same approach, incremental expansion by just examining that current level of
service, but for new facility and so there is a little twist here that they just constructed a
new facility. Issue debt and we can service debt with growth-related debt with impact
fee collection and so that's what they are planning to do here in the coroner. Updated a
couple of assumptions here and I will walk through that here. So, they moved to the
Touchmark facility. That facility in total is going to be 40,000 square feet, but it's been
expanded to accommodate 30, 40 years of growth and there is large sections of this --
of the facility that the lights are turned off and so they -- they will -- they will be able to
push out admin space, autopsy areas of this -- you know, all the other areas. Training
areas, locker rooms, those sorts of things that the coroner office is going to need. But
importantly a little sort of layer of complexity here is that Ada County Coroner also
provides service to partner counties and so there is about 20 -- 19 or 20 counties in
Idaho that actually don't have their own coroner's office and so they actually partner a
contract with Ada county to do those autopsies. So, importantly a part of that current
facility is actually being used by non-Ada county residents and so we have to reduce out
that demand to make sure we are only finding that -- that Ada county demand and of
that partner workload that was 21 percent of their total autopsies with partnerships. So,
we remove out that 21 percent. Currently they are occupying 40 percent of the total
space. So, you got sort of current utilization of 12,500 square feet. Recalculate the
current level of service off of that. Smaller number here even, 59 dollars for single
family home, 39 dollars for per thousand square feet of retail and it's actually slightly
less than what we projected out for '21. In summary, you can see Sheriff being blanked
out here. So, the jail, EMS and coroner, total maximum supportable fee amount 750
dollars for a single family home, 1,256 dollars per thousand square feet of retail down to
12 -- to 217 dollars for industrial development and I will open up for any discussions on
the -- on the calculations here.
Simison: Thank you, Colin. Council, any questions?
Taylor: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Taylor.
Taylor: Quick question. On -- when you say maximum supportable impact fee, that's
the maximum that you can take or is that the recommended impact fee that the county
would be asking for? Could you just clarify that for me? That's a --
McAweeney: Yeah. Councilman, that's a great question. So, the study supports this
maximum. So, Ada county can't go above that maximum. We certainly can adopt lower
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than the maximum. It -- you know, it's important to note that the maximum essentially
represents in dollars the cost to serve new growth at current level of service. Any
reduction from the maximum would, you know, indicate one of two things, either we
need to have other revenues coming in to keep up with growth, because we are not
using impact fees for that or we are saying we are okay with lowering levels of service,
because we are not collecting at the maximum.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: This is a very general question, but what actions have or will the county
commissioners take? Like what -- what is their role exactly in the process? Do they
adopt the CIPs? Have they adopted this recommendation? Help me understand their
role in the process.
McAweeney: Yeah. I believe the county commissioners have -- yeah, have adopted
the CIPs. Yes.
Strader: Okay. Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Yeah. Just to further clarify, so have the Ada county commissioners adopted
the CIPs that reflect the maximum supportable impact fees? Like what -- I kind of want
to just to like really level with you is I just want to hear have the Ada county
commissioners agreed that this is what they are moving forward with or will the amount
be recalibrated depending on their feedback? I just kind of want to understand where
they are at with the process.
McAweeney: Yeah. Council Member, that's a great question. I think we have kind of
come to the conclusion that we really would like to -- and -- and I don't think we can
really move forward without all the cities coming together. The county is ready to adopt
and -- and sort of have included this -- the CIPs at the maximum levels in their comp
plan, but they haven't -- they are not currently charging the impact fees yet on
unincorporated development. We are just hoping to sort of do this -- show basically with
-- with every city to sort of get all of us on board before everyone sort of takes that jump
forward together.
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: I think maybe what my -- my good colleague is asking is should all the cities
agree and all the cities want to move forward what is the intention of the commissioners
is to adopt the -- the maximum supported fees or something less than?
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McAweeney: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Councilman, yeah, yeah, yeah. To plainly say it -- yeah,
to plainly say it they will -- they will adopt the maximum. Yeah, they are seeking the
maximum.
Simison: So, one of the questions I had -- and I don't know how it impacts -- if you --
well, it says -- if you could easily scroll back to the population growth projection numbers
and it -- you know, it kind of, you know, 4.3, 4.2, and, then, we hit a cliff in the
projections. Talk to us about what that means and how does that impact -- you know,
because what if those numbers were three, you know, that -- you know, I think those are
well personally. So, I don't know what that means, though, in terms of the impact fee
study, if the amount of percent increase is below target in terms of permits and fees.
McAweeney: Mayor, that's a great question and -- and importantly the -- the reason
why you -- we use this incremental expansion approach is actually kind of future proofs
the fee collection and so if we actually accelerate in growth, we have collected more
dollars, but we have to provide more, because we have to keep up with levels of service
and so that will accelerate the CIP. We can collect more and, then, move to, you know,
the next project, right, the fourth -- the fourth EMS station might -- might occur in year
five instead of year seven and -- but, you know, on the -- on the flip side if it actually
decreases the growth is not as high as what we are projecting, we have collected less
dollars, but we are obligated to do less with that -- with those dollars.
Simison: Okay. Any other questions, Council? Okay. And maybe one last question.
don't know if this is for you or for Steve or who wants to step up, but is there any reason
why the county hasn't adopted the one only for unincorporated currently?
McAweeney: Yeah. That's a great question, Mayor. You know, there is a concern even
just from a theoretical standpoint from impact fees, that we don't want to start collecting
jail impact fee, coroner impact fee, sheriff impact fee on -- on unincorporated
development if we are not going to, you know, do that within city limits and with impact
fees we actually -- you know, the moment you start collecting an impact fee you are
obligated to make capital expansions and -- and only ten percent of this growth that you
see here is going to happen in unincorporated area and so 90 percent of that revenue
would come from the -- the incorporated area. So, their CIP would be well underfunded.
Simison: I'm just referencing the sheriff line item, which doesn't -- and so, you know, in
some regards, you know, I think maybe I'm following a little bit of what was being said
over here is in good faith from the county that they are just going to go start collecting
that one right now to show that they are serious about collecting the fees, instead of
waiting for the next three, six, nine, year -- can they go separately or can they not go
separately? Can you do one? Can you not do one? But that's kind of where I -- you
know, be great to see the county take the steps for the ones that they can, rather than
saying, well, if we all don't go we are not going to do any, when you got one that's just
on you. So, I -- I'm not going to -- I'm not going to put you on that, because you are the
consultant, but I'm looking back over there at the -- those that are employed by the
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county to maybe articulate if there is a desire or not by the county to move forward on
the ones that only apply to the unincorporated areas.
Rutherford: Mr. Mayor, thank you for that question. We have -- we just haven't talked
about decoupling them. We could. We certainly could. Just have not thought about
that. It really kind of -- when we talk about impact fees, we talk about all of them, but we
could. I was just asking Leon, because he has been in those hearings, where they have
adopted those CIPs in the comp plan and that conversation has not come -- come up.
Simison: All right. Thank you. All right. Kurt, we will turn it back over to you.
Starman: Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Members, of Council. So, the last part of our
discussion for today -- and, again, this is not an action item, we are just educating the
Council on what the county is requesting and kind of the background behind that. But to
the extent the Council is prepared to press forward and learn more and partner with the
county in some form, we had outlined some potential -- a potential implementation plan
and so I just want to cover that very quickly and maybe reiterate the rationale behind a
four step plan, as opposed to just jumping in head first. I talked about that a little bit
when I was up here earlier. So, that that plan that we have in mind or had suggested
that the Council is interested in -- in heading down this path with the county and being
the partners, I think the first two items in your memo kind of go hand in glove, but they
are sequential. The first is under state law we do have to have an intergovernmental
agreement between the city and the county that puts in contract form how this is going
to work and who is doing what, which advisory committee is going to be used for these
countywide fees and things of that nature. So, we use the county's existing model and
revised it to fit the City of Meridian's needs. That's attached to your memo. That's not in
the final form, that could change, but that would just give you a feel and flavor of what
that intergovernmental agreement might look like. I think importantly that's -- that's a
step that is concrete. I think it would be helpful to the county to show momentum with
other jurisdictions and help them advance the ball, but I think importantly as that
document is crafted basically it makes it very clear that our commitment is to consider
the possibility of adopting the county CIPs, but it makes it clear that the City Council is
not obligated to do so. So, it basically says we are going to -- we are going to proceed
in good faith, we are going to consider the CIPs, but the ultimate decision -- you know,
you can't make that decision until you hear from the public and you have a chance to
really dig deeper. So, if we went down that path the intergovernmental agreement
provides the parameters and a framework to proceed, does not commit the Council to
adopting the CIP and certainly not the impact fees themselves, which will be a discrete
step later in the process. To the extent we enter into an intergovernmental agreement
the way I just described and we provide a sample in your packet, the next step would
be, then, to consider the potential adoption of the county's CIPs. We have looked at this
from a staff perspective from a couple different angles and came to the conclusion that
for a couple reasons. One is the city -- we are not experts in some of these areas, like
jails as an example, or the coroner's office and so for us to truly, you know, jump into the
detail of these CIPs is difficult, number one, and so I think we are inclined to, again, try
to be that -- be a facilitator, but not -- but let the county carry the -- carry the weight and
the heavy burden. So, our proposal -- our thought is that we would want the county
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existing or perhaps a modified version, but the county's development impact fee
advisory committee to serve the role required by state law, which is an advisory role to
the planning commission and to the City Council as to these county fees, so we would
use the county's advisory committee, instead of our typical committee, which has
expertise and knowledge and background on things like fire, police, and parks, not
much on jails. I think that's allowed in the law. The state statute specifically provides for
intergovernmental agreements that allow the participating government entities to
designate how those advisory committees are formed and how they take shape. So, we
would approve the -- the intergovernmental agreement. We would look at the CIPs,
that's a multi-step process, we would first under state law require a written -- requires
written comments from the advisory committee that initially goes to the Planning and
Zoning Commission. The Commission hears the item, takes public testimony, some
public hearing process, then makes a recommendation to the Council. Another public
hearing process. You will have the benefit at that point of advisory committee's written
comments, as well as your Planning and Zoning Commission recommendation as well.
The Council at that time -- you are not obligated to approve the CIPs, but should you
choose to do so they actually get incorporated into the City of Meridian's
Comprehensive Plan, that becomes -- another document that gets incorporated into our
larger Comprehensive Plan. If we -- if -- and, then, for the reason I mentioned earlier,
because I think we are a little ahead of other jurisdictions in terms of being willing
perhaps to look at an intergovernmental agreement and the adoption of CIPs sooner
rather than later, the thought process is we would pause at that time and let the other
jurisdictions catch up. I like Mr. Rutherford's description of the trust circle. I'm a trust
but verify kind of guy, so my recommendation to you all is that let's proceed cautiously
and make sure we have an even playing field. I don't think we want to be first and adopt
the ordinances that go with the fees and, then, find out other jurisdictions -- other
jurisdictions choose not to participate. I think that puts us in an awkward spot, creates
an unlevel playing field that's really not fair to, you know, the developers and property
owners within our jurisdiction. So, the idea is if we did adopt the CIPs we -- we would
pause, let the other cities catch up and when they do so and if they do so at that point
we consider adopting the actual ordinance that would implement the development
impact fees on the countywide basis, but in our case for our jurisdiction in particular and
we would try to craft a more comprehensive intergovernmental agreement at that point
that, as I mentioned earlier, contractually we try to get as close as possible to the ACH
-- the ACHD model where really we are collecting fees on behalf of the county and in
this instance, because of quirks in state law we do have to adopt an ordinance, we have
to adopt the CIPs, but we are going to contractually try to make it very clear that we are
really sort of the -- an intermediate, a facilitary -- a facilitator and that we are collecting
those fees and that they are really benefiting the county facilities, the jail, coroner's
office and EMS, and we will structure that where the county would provide identification
to the city, would do all the heavy lifting in terms of the administrative work, updates to
CIPs and things of that nature and we really want to have them in the driver's seat and
we are just trying to be good partners to get them where they need to be. So, that's
really the presentation for today. All of us are available to answer more questions you
may have on any of those. Really the goal today was to update the Council on what the
county is thinking and what their proposal or request is of the city and, then, to get some
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direction from you as a body as to do we have an interest in learning more and
proceeding. Do we need more information? However you would like to proceed if at all.
So, I'm happy to stand for questions.
Simison: Thank you. Council, questions, comments?
Taylor: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Taylor.
Taylor: Kurt, really quick question. Outside of what you have already articulated are
there any concerns that you have of city liabilities with collecting county impact fees?
Starman: Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Members of Council, Council Member Taylor. I want to
be a bit circumspect about that, not only to provide legal advice on -- at the podium and
on the fly, but I will say there is some areas -- let me just -- at the very high level let me
just highlight a couple of examples. One is for -- to the best of my knowledge this is the
first countrywide impact fee program in Idaho. There are some smaller models out
there. The county, for example, collaborates with the rural fire districts and they collect
fees. The county is kind of playing the role we would play. The county collects fees on
behalf of some of the rural fire districts. So, there is a -- kind of micro model that's
available. I have heard that there are some -- maybe in east Idaho, maybe some little
niches like that as well, but to the best of my knowledge and, you know, if my
colleagues from the county or consultant knows differently they can educate me as well,
but we are kind of plowing new ground here. State law clearly allows for it. There is
explicit language that allows for intergovernmental cooperation and programs of this
nature, but this is new territory. That always gives me pause and I want to be extra
careful when we are kind of on the bleeding edge of a new idea or topic of this nature.
The other area that gives me a bit of pause -- and, you know, might be a good idea to
hear from our elected coroner today to -- so I can be educated, as well as the public in
general and the Council, but, you know, that we can only collect -- cities and counties
can only collect impact fees for certain things. It's codified in state law and there are
specific categories. Roads, for example. Parks, for example. And public safety, for
example. So clearly -- and there is some examples given in state -- state law with
public safety means and it means things like jails and sheriffs and police departments
and fire departments. There is no reference to coroners. I think the county makes a fair
case that coroners have a law enforcement function and that they arguably fit within that
category, but I'm sure there are other people that might have a different opinion about
that and perhaps may want to challenge whether a coroner's fee really qualifies under
Idaho's development impact fee statute. Those are two -- two just high level examples
of areas that have not been -- have not been flushed out in terms of others haven't done
it for -- I will say once again that -- I mentioned earlier that to the best of my knowledge
there is no other county in Idaho that does this on a countywide basis similar to what
Ada county is proposing. That's not a bad thing. Credit to Ada county for being
proactive and -- and trying to do good things for their constituents, but I'm also -- I'm not
aware and I don't believe there is a fee -- an impact fee in Idaho that's specific to
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coroners. I think this would be the first of its kind in Idaho. So, again, gives me pause
and I want to make sure we are careful and deliberate and in terms of using contract
language I really like identification requirements says if we get challenged, the county is
going to defend and, you know, carry that water.
Simison: And I was going to save my comments, but I think I will jump in, because they
kind of fall into that context. I mean, you know, by my personal belief is we have a
legislative session coming up and I wish the county would have spent the last two years
trying to fix this in state law to get the same authority that ACHD has so that they could
charge countywide and/or clarify these issues. So, I might look at my good friend from
the county and just take back to his team, I think it's worth a conversation with the state
legislature, because I don't think that we are going to get this done in Ada county before
the state legislative session is over and why risk it either way? Go to the legislature and
get clarification that the EMS is part of it or not. That way, you know, we have
confidence in what is ultimately adopted here in the county and -- and why can't you get
the same authority that ACHD has to adopt it countywide, where we just, then, are the
collectors on your behalf. Those would be things I would encourage you to go back to
the good commissioners and encourage them to do that, but at the same time I would
also encourage you to decouple the other one and move it forward. Show some good
faith that you or the county is committed to impact fees. Don't sit around and wait for
everybody else when you are losing out on growth every single day by not having an
impact fee in place on the one thing that is only subject to unincorporated. City of
Meridian has long supported growth paying for growth, so on a personal level I -- I have
no issue with the impact fees and being a partner in the collection, but I think that there
are better ways that we could have been using our time to get this -- over the hump and
if the legislature is not there for it on either issue, then, I kind of have to say, then, why
are we going to do it this way? If the legislature doesn't believe in that approach, then, I
have -- I just have some questions, so they would have to be answered on my level.
But I support growth paying for growth. I support impact fees. I support the county. But
let's have conversations.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Yeah. I -- I agree with that. I think it's -- it's really a process question and I
think if there was a way to clarify the process with the legislature and -- and clarify and
have the existing law changed, so that you could function that way, I think it would make
the most sense. It feels like this is a -- I think you can kind of tell it's a little bit
convoluted and you can tell it's the first time because of this kind of holding hands
concept. I'm not against that, but, again, if there is a cleaner way of doing this and a
more straightforward way I think it's better for us to try to establish that. Just generally
speaking I mean we need jails, we need EMS, we need the coroner. All these things
are -- are extremely important. So, you wouldn't get any argument from me on that and
I think that growth should pay for growth as well, but I do think it's important to take a
look at that and also, you know, take a look at the impact fees. You can -- you can
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implement those now. I think that's a really productive suggestion and would go a long
way in kind of demonstrating that that's the direction that the county wants to go. I'm
okay with -- you know, if -- if we get all the way through the process and for some
reason, you know, having the legislature clarify and change things isn't a viable path,
willing to talk about more, but, yeah, it -- it does sort of feel like that would be a good
first step is establishing a better process. It feels very convoluted as a -- as a decision
maker to have us review and adopt the CIPs, even if it's kind of indirectly on your behalf,
I find that a bit clunky. So, if there is a way to improve that process I -- I definitely
recommend that -- that you pursue that. I guess that's my feedback so far. You know,
yeah, if -- if -- and, again, if -- if -- if it just for whatever reason can't be accomplished
through the legislature I think that's important to just have an honest conversation about
that and kind of understand that and it's certainly possible everybody could, you know,
continue. It looks like you guys got some feedback for us, Mr. Mayor.
Rutherford: Thank you very much for the suggestions. I will say I think it's a
constitutional issue. It's the fact that ACHD can -- can collect impact fees is because
they are authorized to do their work in your -- in your city and so I can have a side
conversation with Bill Nary, but I don't think it's something that the legislature can make
happen just by -- by changing the law. They are just a different entity. It's a -- it's a kind
of a constitutional powers issue. We are always a little anxious to go to the legislature,
because you might get an answer you don't want and we just as soon not lose the
authority to get what we have here. But absolutely understand this is a clunky,
cumbersome process and it's asking you all to -- to step out on a ledge with us and it's
not ideal, but I will take your feedback back to the commissioners and, then, see where
we can go from here and I will have conversations with -- with Bill and Kurt about the --
the idea of getting the authority that ACHD has, but I -- but they are just different.
Simison: Yeah. But especially on the one that's not clearly articulated in the statute.
Rutherford: Yes, sir.
Simison: I don't think -- you know, we can be clunky through those if we -- if we can't
make those changes, but we don't need to be clunky and risky.
Rutherford: Okay.
Simison: That's not good for anybody.
Rutherford: Yes. Thank you. And I mean, you know, we -- I think we could have a
really good discussion about whether the coroner's in or not. I -- I -- I don't have
concerns. I know Kurt does. We have had those discussions. I -- I don't share those
concerns, so -- but I will carry those back to the commissioners. So, thank you.
Simison: Council, any other comments? Okay. All right. Thank you very much.
Appreciate you all.
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19. Shift Differential Policy Discussion
Simison: Okay. With that we will move on to Item 19, shift differential policy discussion.
Good evening, Debbie.
Hoopes: Good afternoon, Mayor and Council. I'm here today to lead the discussion on
a new policy. Policy and Procedures 3.4.6, shift differential duties and compensation.
This policy is a new addition for the City of Meridian and provides the ability to
compensate for shifts outside of what is considered a normal business schedule. As
you are aware -- as you are aware operating a 24/7 365 organization presents unique
challenges, particularly in hiring and retaining staff for nontraditional hours. After
collaborating with the departments affected by shift consideration, the results of our
collective efforts is the policy you see before you today. Joining me for this work
session to answer any questions are our police chief, our Public Works director, and our
Chief Financial Officer. As subject matter experts they will be available to assist in
addressing any questions or providing additional clarity. I want to thank you for your
time and attention to this discussion. So, with that I assume that everybody's had the
chance to look through the policy and we will stand for questions.
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: Question for you or our CFO. We build our budget based on a lot of salary
assumptions. These assumptions shift and change. Should this policy be enacted with
a subsequent budget amendment, follow to cover potential salary changes, or help me
understand kind of the -- should this be adopted what the financial flow would look like.
Lavoie: Mr. Mayor, Mr. Cavener, normally I would say the answer is we would present a
budget amendment for ongoing needs to pay for this ongoing expense. We still can. I
don't think the monetary values of need -- for an example wastewater treatment plant,
we have a total of seven individuals that we have identified now. We expect that
expense to be about 19,000 dollars a year. Divide that by when this becomes
implemented and we got what -- implemented January, February, so you got seven,
eight months. So, you are talking 10,000 dollars. So, I don't think that's a financial
concern on their end, so -- but normally, then, I'm with you a hundred percent. The
police department, they have a few more individuals, they are implementing 21
individuals as of last reported and they have an expectation of about 66 and -- so about
90,000 dollars, divide that by, you know, two-thirds, multiply by two-thirds, I apologize,
so you are talking 70,000 potential. So, again, I don't think there is a financial concern,
but, again, we could, but I think there is going to be enough wiggle room between the
salary savings that are in the vacancy positions in the police department to cover theirs
and, then, the ten grand is going to be a nonmonetary concern at this moment. But it's
a fair question.
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Taylor: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Taylor.
Taylor: Quick question. On the three percent versus swing -- five percent for night shift,
is that -- where did we come up with those numbers? Is that kind of a standard in the
industry? Was this something that we thought would help us be competitive with
retaining? I'm just kind of curious where we came down with -- with that.
Hoopes: The three percent for swing shift is pretty standard and, then, a five percent for
grave or the night shift is pretty standard. Not just industrywide, but -- but nationwide.
Simison: Council, additional questions, comments? Team, anything that needs to be
added from your perspectives?
Overton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Overton.
Overton: Not a question, but a comment. Speaking as one who worked many swing
shifts and many graveyards for this city, it's important for us to recognize that when we
ask our employees to do that we are asking them to be upside down from their families
for those periods of time and when you work a four ten shift and you are working
graveyard and you are working when they are sleeping, you don't just wake up that next
day on your day off and resume your normal life. You end up almost being upside down
for the full week, which could be a four month run on those shifts. It's pretty standard in
the industry. It's something that I'm really glad to see in front of us now that we can
address something. I think it also helps us to stay competitive with other agencies that
have already adopted these policies, but I think it's a fair thing to do for the people that
we are asking to do those jobs when we are all sleeping at night and I fully support it.
Thank you.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: I really appreciate the effort in terms of recruitment and retention as well and
agree with those comments that I think it makes really good sense and appreciate
everybody's hard work on it to bring this forward. Thank you.
20. Resolution 24-2495: A Resolution of the City Council of the City of
Meridian Adding City of Meridian Standard Operating Policy 3.4.6,
Regarding Shift Differential Duties and Compensation; and Providing
an Effective Date
Simison: Okay. Anything further? Okay. Then with that we will move on to Item 20,
which is Resolution 24-2495. Ask the clerk to read this resolution by title.
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Johnson: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. It's a resolution to City Council of the City of Meridian
adding City of Meridian Standard Operating Procedure 3.4.6 regarding shift differential
duties and compensation and providing an effective date.
Simison: Thank you. Council, you have heard this resolution read by title. Is there
anybody that would like it read in his entirety? If not, do I have a motion?
Little Roberts: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Little Roberts.
Little Roberts: Mr. Mayor, I move that we adopt Resolution 24-2495.
Overton: Second.
Simison: Have a motion and a second to adopt Resolution 24-2495. Is there
discussion on the motion? If not, all in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay? The
ayes have it and the resolution is agreed to.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
Simison: Thank you very much.
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: Move we adjourn our work session.
Simison: Motion to adjourn. All in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay? The
ayes have it. We are adjourned.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 5.25 P.M.
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MAYOR ROBERT SIMISON 1-7-2025
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