HomeMy WebLinkAbout2024-09-05 Meridian Planning and Zoning Meeting September 5, 2024.
Meeting of the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission of September 5, 2024, was
called to order at 6:00 p.m. by Chairman Andrew Seal.
Members Present: Commissioner Maria Lorcher, Commissioner Jared Smith,
Commissioner Patrick Grace and Commissioner Matthew Sandoval.
Members Absent: Commissioner Andrew Seal, Commissioner Enrique Rivera. And
Commissioner Brian Garrett.
Others Present: Tina Lomeli, Kurt Starman, Bill Parsons, Sonya Allen, Nick Napoli,
Linda Ritter and Dean Willis.
ROLL-CALL ATTENDANCE
Brian Garrett X Andrew Sealer
_X Matthew Sandoval X Patrick Grace
Enrique Rivera X Jared Smith
X Maria Lorcher - Chairman
Lorcher: All right. Good evening. Welcome to Planning and Zoning meeting for
September 5th, 2024. At this time I would like to call the meeting to order. The
Commissioners who are present for this evening's meeting are at City Hall and on
Zoom. We also have staff from the city attorney's and the City Clerk's Office, as well as
the City Planning Department. If you are joining us on Zoom this evening we can see
that you are here. You may observe the meeting. However, your ability to be seen on
screen and talk will be muted. During the public testimony portion of the meeting you
will be unmuted and, then, be able to comment. Please note that we cannot take
questions until the public testimony portion. If you have a process question during the
meeting, please, e-mail cityclerk@meridiancity.org and they will reply as quickly as
possible. If you simply want to watch the meeting we encourage you to watch the
streaming on our city's YouTube channel. You can access it at meridiancity.org/live.
With that -- with that let us begin with roll call. Madam Clerk.
Lorcher: Commissioner Sandoval and Commissioner Smith, we could barely hear you.
Sandoval: Is that better if I lean a little bit closer?
Smith: I can hear you just fine, so I think it might be on --
Lorcher: So, Jared, you sound good. Matthew --
Smith: I sound good?
Lorcher: Yes.
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Smith: Okay.
Lorcher: Matthew, try again.
Sandoval: Can you hear me now?
Lorcher: All right.
Sandoval: Okay.
ADOPTION OF AGENDA
Lorcher: Oh, technical difficulties. Okay. The first thing to do is the adoption of the
agenda. Please note that Item 3, Calvary Chapel, for Item No. H-2024-0020 and Item
No. 4, Life Church, Item No. H-2024-0024 will be open for the sole purpose of
continuance. So, if there is anybody here tonight to testify on these applications we will
not be taking public testimony this evening. Could I get a motion to adopt tonight's
agenda?
Grace: So moved.
Smith: Second.
Lorcher: It's been moved and seconded to adopt the agenda. All those in favor say
aye. Opposed? The ayes have it. Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. THREE ABSENT.
CONSENT AGENDA [Action Item]
1. Approve Minutes of August 15, 2024, Planning and Zoning
Commission Meeting
2. Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law for The Angels Home Childcare
(H-2024-0017) by Desange Muhawenimana, located at 167 W. Indian
Rocks St.
Lorcher: Next on the item -- on the agenda is the Consent Agenda. We have two items
on the Consent Agenda, to approve the meeting minutes of August 15th Planning and
Zoning meeting and the Facts, Findings and Conclusions of Law for the Angels Home
Childcare. Can I get a motion to accept the Consent Agenda as presented?
Sandoval: Motion to accept.
Smith: Second.
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Lorcher: It has been moved and seconded to approve the Consent Agenda. All those
in favor say aye. Opposed? Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. THREE ABSENT.
ITEMS MOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA [Action Item]
Lorcher: At this time I would briefly like to explain the public hearing process. We will
open each item individually and begin with the staff report. Staff will report their findings
on how the item adheres to our Comprehensive Plan and our Unified Development
Code. After staff has made their presentation the applicant will come forward to present
their case and respond to staff comments. They will have 15 minutes to do so. After
the applicant is finished we will open the floor to public testimony. Each person will be
called only once during the public testimony. The clerk will call the names individually of
those who signed up on our website in advance to testify. You may come to the
microphones in Chambers or you will be unmuted in Zoom. Please state your name
and address for the record. You will have three minutes to address the Commission. If
you have previously sent pictures or a presentation for the meeting it will be displayed
on screen and our clerk will help run the presentation. If you have established that you
are speaking on behalf of a larger group, like an HOA, where others from your group will
allow you to speak on their behalf, you will have up to ten minutes. After all of those
who have signed up in advance have spoken we will invite others who wish -- may wish
to testify in Chambers or on Zoom. If you wish to speak on a topic you may come
forward in Chambers or if on Zoom you can press the raise hand button or if you are
listening on a phone please press star nine and wait for your name to be called. If you
are listening on multiple devices, such as a computer and a phone, please be sure to
mute those extra devices, so we don't experience feedback and we can hear you
clearly. When you are finished if the Commission doesn't have any questions for you
you will return to your seat in Chambers or you will be muted on Zoom and you will no
longer have the ability to speak and please remember we will not call on you a second
time. After all testimony has been heard, the applicant will be given another ten minutes
to come back and respond to public testimony. When the applicant has finished
responding to questions and concerns we will close the public hearing and
Commissioners will have the opportunity to discuss and hopefully be able to make final
decisions or recommendations to City Council as needed.
ACTION ITEMS
3. Public Hearing for Calvary Chapel (H-2024-0020) by Calvary Chapel
Meridian, located at 2600 W. Nelis Dr.
A. Request: Rezone of 8.41 acres of land from the I-L to the C-C
zoning district.
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Lorcher: So, with that I would like to open the public hearing for Item No. H-2024-0020,
Calvary Chapel, for a rezone and they have asked for a continuance. Madam Clerk, do
we have a date suggested for this application?
Lomeli: Madam Chair, September 19th.
Lorcher: May I get a motion to continue the application for Cavalry Chapel for
September 19th?
Smith: So moved.
Grace: Second.
Lorcher: It's been moved and seconded to continue Item No. H-2024-0020 for Calvary
Chapel for September 19th. All those in favor say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. THREE ABSENT.
4. Public Hearing for Life Church (H-2024-0024) by Ella Passey, Land
Group, located at 3323 E. Commercial Court
A. Request: CPAM to amend the Comprehensive Plan Future Land
Use Map (CPAM) to change the future land use designation on
6.72 acres of land from Industrial to Commercial.
B. Request: Rezone of 6.72 acres of land from Light Industrial (I-L) to
General Retail and Service Commercial District (C-G) zoning
district for the expansion of Life Church and the operation of Life
Bible College.
Lorcher: Item No. H-2024-0024, Life Church, has filed for an amendment on the future
land use map, a rezone, and also has asked for a continuance. Madam Clerk, is
September 19th the day that they prefer as well?
Lomeli: Madam Chair, yes.
Lorcher: May I get a motion to continue the application for Life Church for September
19th?
Grace: So moved.
Smith: Second.
Lorcher: It's been moved and seconded to move Life Church to September 19th. All
those in favor say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries.
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MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. THREE ABSENT.
5. Public Hearing for Treasure Valley Law Enforcement Childcare
Center (H-2024-0030) by Ball Ventures Ahlquist, located at 1085 Ten
Mile Rd.
A. Request: Conditional Use Permit for a daycare center providing
care for up to 75 children in the M-E zoning district.
Lorcher: Okay. The next item on the agenda is File No. H-2024-0030 for a conditional
use permit on request for the Treasure Valley Law Enforcement Childcare Center for 75
children in an ME zoning district. We will begin with the staff report.
Napoli: Good evening, Madam Chair and Commission. Item No. 5 on the agenda is the
conditional use permit for the Treasure Valley Law Enforcement Childcare Center.
Thanks, Sonya. The applicant is requesting a conditional use permit to construct and
operate a 7,504 square foot daycare facility. The site consists of 1.12 acres of land,
zoned mixed employment, located north of 1-84 between South Black Cat Road and
South Ten Mile Road. The current zoning is mixed employment. The future land use is
high density employment and in both the mixed employment zoning and the high
density employment FLUM designation in the Ten Mile Interchange Specific Area Plan
childcare is considered a complementary use, intended to serve area employees. Staff
finds this proposed use is consistent with this. In 2020 and 2021 a rezone, conditional
use permit, development agreement modification and preliminary plat were approved.
The DA approved of this application currently governs the site. However, a
development agreement modification was approved by City Council in 2023, but has yet
to be recorded. A final plat and private street applications are currently being processed
with the city. Additionally, this project falls into the District at Ten Mile application that is
currently awaiting Council review. So, shown on the screen -- on the left is a concept
plan for the District at Ten Mile. The red arrow is indicating where the daycare is
proposed to be within the development. So, access is proposed via La Vista Lane, a
private street -- a private street along the west boundary. The future extension -- from
the future extension of West Grand Mogul Way, a collector street, along the north
boundary of the site. These roadway and infrastructure improvements are anticipated
to be installed with the final plat. However, if they are not they will need to be
completed with this application. Street landscape buffers along 1-84, West Grand Mogul
Way and La Vista Lane are also anticipated to be installed with the final plat for
Vanguard Village. However, if they are not complete the developer will be responsible
for those improvements with this application. The building elevations are required to
meet the Architectural Standards Manual, Ten Mile Interchange Specific Area Plan.
However, the District at Ten Mile is proposing its own guidelines and if approved these
guidelines would govern the site. Staff is recommending approval with conditions.
However, the applicant has submitted written testimony with -- proposing alternative
language to the following condition. I will stand for questions.
Lorcher: Would the applicant like to come forward?
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Allen: Elizabeth Allen. 1144 South Silverstone Way, Meridian, Idaho. 83642. And the
-- the presentation is showing; correct? Okay. So, this evening we are requesting an
approval of a conditional use permit for a daycare facility in an MU zone and the facility
will be a private facility to serve law enforcement families. Thank you. So, the site is
located on the west side of the district at Ten Mile site. Access and utilities to the site
are currently under construction with an anticipated completion of December 1st, with
temporary access provided to the -- to the site for construction. So, first, I would like to
talk about the issues that law enforcement agencies are facing in the Treasure Valley
and the nation. So, the facility we are proposing is a crucial service that currently does
not exist in the valley, so law enforcements in the Treasure Valley and nation are
struggling with staffing issues. Studies found that a 70 percent decrease in
applications, in addition to a 45 percent retirement rate and, then, an 18 percent
increase in resignations at law enforcement agencies and another issue that they are
facing is a gap in staffing of women and studies found that there is less than 12 percent
of women in full time within law enforcement and with only three percent in top
command and, then, a nine -- nine percent of mothers in law enforcement currently
have children under the age of six and so there is a big need to provide facilities for law
enforcement families. Next slide. So, the solution that has been identified to help with
some of these issues with staff recruitment, as well as retention, is customized childcare
for law enforcement that will provide affordable childcare at half the rate -- market rate
tuition and, then, the facility will also have expanded operating hours seven days a
week to accommodate work schedules that is not offered by other daycare facilities and
so talking about the project details, so that -- the building square footage is 7,504
square feet and, then, the playground square footage is 6,544 square feet and we are
proposing 84 children with addition of staff, which would bring a total building capacity of
102. Next slide. So, this is an image of the landscape plan that I wanted to show,
which shows those three different playground areas with landscaping around that area
that provides not only shade for the playground, but also a buffer from future uses, as
well as security to kind of block -- to screen the playground area -- area. So, this is an
image of the elevations that were provided. That top is the front facade showing the
main entry featuring a large -- large glazing area with white metal canopies, cultured
stone pillars and gray cement panels with a sand -- sandstone wash. The cement panel
finish is wrapped around the corner of the building and the remainder of the building has
a red face brick to the top of the windows and, then, above that is a tan EFIS up to the
parapet. So, to elaborate on that condition that staff mentioned, they recommended
adding park -- additional parking west of the site that is outside of the building lot. That
area is slated for a future development. So, between those drive aisles we are
proposing this condition, parking, driving and similar activities will be prevented on the
unimproved property between the drive aisles to the site through the use of curbing,
barricades or similar method until such time that the area develops for a future user.
So, that would be around that -- that brown -- that brown area and the image on the
right is a barrier that we put up at the Eagle View Landing site to prevent people from
driving onto that lot until it develops. Let's see. And as far as the parking goes -- so, we
are proposing 40 parking stalls. The requirement is 15. So, we are already over-
providing parking, so we don't want to add additional parking when it's not needed and
we would have to tear it up in the future to accommodate the user that will be going into
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the west. Next slide. So, in attendance with me I believe virtually is the architect who
could answer any questions about the building and, then, I also have the civil engineer
for the project, who can also answer questions and, then, in the application documents
we provided a finance analysis to help with the decision making and I will stand for
questions. Thank you.
Lorcher: Commissioners, do we have any questions for the applicant at this time?
Sandoval: Madam Chair?
Lorcher: Commissioner Sandoval.
Sandoval: Yeah. Just a quick question. What agencies are you going to serve? ISP?
Sheriff? Local? Mix?
Allen: So, there is -- there is nine agencies that they will be serving in the valley. So,
ISP and, then, the other jurisdictions within the Treasure Valley.
Sandoval: Thank you.
Grace: Madam Chair?
Lorcher: Commissioner Grace.
Grace: Can you -- Elizabeth, can you just explain -- so, you want some alternate --
alternative language to the condition related to parking on the west that the -- that the
city is recommending be completed now and you are looking for some alternative
language that says until that's developed we would like to leave it alone and, then,
barricade it so people can't use it?
Allen: Yeah. Madam Chair, Commissioner, I will let staff elaborate on this, but that
area between the drive aisles will be developed at some point where there is an office
user or different user. So, if you put the parking in -- like additional parking that we
wouldn't even need for the use, we would have to rip all of that up and so the reason for
the barricade is sometimes on these sites you have lots where the public will just drive
onto the site, they will park there or they will just goof around on some of these empty
lots. So, the barricade is to prevent people from driving onto that -- to that site.
Grace: Yeah. Madam Chair -- and thank you, I think you answered exactly what I was
getting at, which is if you develop it and you don't -- and, then, someone -- with a
parking lot and, then, someone later comes in, what -- who is responsibility is and -- it's
-- it's yours.
Allen: Uh-huh.
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Grace: Okay. Follow up. Given the numbers that you -- the statistics and numbers you
provided about law enforcement, is it -- is it safe to assume that you will have a
continuing need this far into the future or is there any danger someday it ceases to be a
childcare center?
Allen: Madam Chair, Commissioner, that's a really great question. So, the -- the group
that's working on this daycare facility, it's the National Law Enforcement Foundation. I
may have got the acronym wrong. They have received state funding to -- to fund the --
the law enforcement facility -- daycare facility, so they have a lot of funding to support
this new use and in the future as it -- it grows there is the expectation that there could
be a potentially second facility in the future. But there is a lot of funding to support to
the facility.
Grace: Okay. Thank you.
Lorcher: In regard to the barricade, are you proposing like green stakes and some
plastic chains to -- is that the method that you were thinking of using to create a barrier?
Allen: Madam Chair, Commissioner, so we -- we are leaving it open. I showed the
example of -- an option that we have at one of our other sites that has worked really
well, but we wanted to provide flexibility that the Commission was comfortable with,
whether that was curbing, that fencing or some kind of barricades that we could put up.
That also wouldn't be visibly unappealing.
Lorcher: And the reason I ask is if you go by the Idaho Central Credit Union at Cherry
and Ten Mile there is an open parcel next to it and they have used a similar method
where they have green stakes and sometimes it's a string, sometimes it's a plastic and I
would say at least twice a year people just bust through it and decide to do whatever
they want anyway and the concern is -- is that there is children here and so you don't
want that to happen at that point in time, even though it is law enforcement, I would just
encourage the developer to have something a little bit more secure, because people do
goofy things at inappropriate times and those flimsy barricades can easily come down,
which end up costing the developer money, because you are going to have to keep
replacing it. So, that's all my comment. Okay. Thank you very much.
Allen: Thank you. Madam Clerk, do we have anybody for public testimony?
Lomeli: Thank you, Madam Chair. I have Jeff Howard online.
Lorcher: Okay. Mr. Howard, please, state your name and address for the record.
Lomeli: Mr. Howard, can you hear us?
Lorcher: I see that he is there. Mr. Howard, can you raise your hand on Zoom to see if
you still want to testify? Madam Clerk, is there anybody else? Maybe we can come
back to Mr. Howard.
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Lomeli: Yes, Madam Chair. I have Colin Ronhaar here in Chambers.
Lorcher: Hi. If you can state your name and address for the record, please.
Ronhaar: Good evening. Colin Ronhaar. 332 North Broadmore Way, Nampa. I'm the
civil engineer on this project and so I just wanted to clarify once again on that -- on that
empty lot. It's -- it looks weird on -- on a site plan, but if you drive around it's pretty
common. I was looking at -- just recently that -- at even The Village of Meridian against
Longwing Lane there, there is some empty lots adjacent to parking lots that have been
open and dirt for a while. I think it's -- the developer is totally open to restricting that
from parking, whether it be barricades, whether it be -- just an extruded curb of some
sort. But it's pretty -- it's -- it's common in -- in these commercial developments that are
being piecemeal developed throughout that. That's all I had. Thank you.
Lorcher: Okay. Thank you. Madam Clerk.
Lomeli: Madam Chair, no one else has signed up.
Lorcher: You want to try Mr. Howard again?
Lomeli: Madam Chair, he has permission to talk, so I -- I don't know if he has anything
to say at this point.
Grace: It looks like he went from unmuted -- excuse me -- muted to unmuted, so -- I
don't know if he is trying, but --
Lorcher: Okay. Thank you. All right.
Starman: So, Madam -- Madam Chair, can I just -- I want to make it clear for the record
that the applicant indicated that Mr. Howard does not wish to speak. So, just I want the
record to reflect that we have confirmation. Thank you.
Lorcher: Okay. Since there is no other public testimony, does the applicant wish to
come forward to make any other comments? Okay. Then we will close the public
hearing. May I have a motion to close the public hearing for Treasure Valley Law
Enforcement Childcare Center?
Grace: So moved.
Smith: Second.
Lorcher: It's been moved and seconded to close File No. H-2024-0030. All those in
favor say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. THREE ABSENT.
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Lorcher: Commissioners, do we have any comments about this application?
Sandoval: Madam Chair?
Lorcher: Commissioner Sandoval.
Sandoval: Yeah. I think this is a -- a great project; right? We look at law enforcement
and everything they are dealing with, how many hours they are putting in, often daycare
is really hard to find, so I think this is a -- a great example of what we should be putting
in there.
Lorcher: Okay. Anybody else?
Smith: Madam Chair?
Lorcher: Mr. -- Commissioner Smith.
Smith: Yeah. I -- I agree. I think this is a great project. I think I'm -- I'm relatively
amenable to the applicant's ask for alternate compliance. I would like, if possible, for us
to include in the final motion -- and this is just where I'm at -- something that -- that's a
little bit more substantive than those kind of stakes and plastic chain. It seems like the
applicant is amenable to, you know, more of a barrier or extruded curb or something like
that. I would just like something that is a little bit more -- more restrictive given the
location and given the -- the use at hand with -- with children nearby. But other than
that I think it's a great project and fully support it.
Grace: Madam Chair?
Lorcher: Commissioner Grace.
Grace: I would -- I would just be probably reiterating what my fellow commissioners
have said. I think it's a great project. I love the -- I thought I read or heard about the
increased hours for law enforcement. I think that's fantastic to support our -- our local
law enforcement and I agree with Commissioner Smith I -- I'm amenable to that
alternate language with some assurances that like, you said, it's -- it's a little bit more
stout and not susceptible to damage, so -- great project.
Lorcher: Do any of my fellow Commissioners wish to propose a motion?
Smith: Madam Chair?
Lorcher: Commissioner Smith.
Smith: I was going to say if Commissioner Grace wants to go for it he can as well.
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Grace: Madam Chair, I just had a question and that is do we -- if we -- if we make the
motion do we have to address the alternate language request?
Starman: Thank you, Chairman and Commissioner. Yes, this -- this is going to -- this
will become the condition for the -- within the conditional use permit and you are the
approving body, so I would recommend that the condition be explicit and clear in your
motion. I guess I would add if you -- if you like you can ask -- staff may have a
suggestion, that would strike the balance you are looking for that would meet the spirit
of what the applicant is requiring, but to some of the Commissioners' questions and
comments earlier perhaps staff can help you craft some language between Nick and Bill
that we kind of hit the -- hit the spot you are looking for, that it's a more substantive
barrier, not some of the other examples we discussed this evening.
Lorcher: Nick, do you have any suggestions of what would be sturdy for this particular
lot?
Napoli: Madam Chair, Members of the Commission, you know, there is concrete
barriers that are not very sightly, could be a little bit -- I would say excessive potentially
for blocking that off. Fencing as well. Not very sightly. Typically when we do see
fencing -- well, it's chain link and half the time it's half falling down. I would say -- so,
you know, I would say that if they can propose a -- either type of fencing that, you know,
will be maintained and kept, as well as the ground, I think that's part of something that
we would like to see as well, that it -- that it is maintained, the empty lot, so it doesn't
become overgrown additionally with that. But as far as additional suggestions, I would
say fencing is a great option. I would say concrete barriers is a potential option, but it
could potentially be excessive.
Starman: And, Madam Chair, I would add -- I would add maybe a third alternative. Nick
just got my creative juices flowing, but something on the line of maybe bollards with
metal chain link would -- might be a -- something in between that would be somewhat
similar to the photo of the applicant showed with the T post and lighter material, but
similar concept, but with more stout and attractive bollards and some more stout chain,
as opposed to lighter material. That's an idea.
Lorcher: Okay.
Parsons: So, Madam Chair, Members of the Commission, it really comes down to how
much do you want to keep people out? I think extruded curb can work as well, but
people can still drive over that, so it really comes down to whatever your comfort level
is. I just know Nick and I -- or at least staff just wants a condition that says this is not
approved for parking and it shouldn't be used as that and it needs to be maintained
weed free like you see in these other developments. So, I think that's -- to me from our
-- from staffs standpoint that's the more -- most important thing is we don't want people
tracking dirt and mud all over the development and, then, like you said, after hours
people doing bad things and, then, all of a sudden it gets very popular, because other
developments coming -- are happening in the area and people are just parking on it,
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because everything is full. That's what we keep seeing is people just using dirt lots -- as
Nick had -- had mentioned is we are just -- people are using it for parking and it's not
approved parking and we just don't want to create problems for code enforcement. So,
I do -- I do like the bollard idea with the -- with the chains. I think that would be a great
solution for an interim fix to keep people out of there. Commissioner Smith, does that
help you with some language for the motion?
Smith: Yes, Madam Chair. I think I have got something and it's -- I still want to leave it
a little bit open to the applicant, but can include those relevant options or similar option.
I don't want to close it off to just those if they have something that -- that staff-- they can
present and staff is -- is okay with as well. So, I'm -- I'm happy to make a motion if
anyone is -- is all right.
Lorcher: Okay. We are all ears.
Smith: Al right. After hearing all staff, applicant and public testimony, I move to
approve Item No. H-2024-0030 as presented in the staff report with a modification to
replace the requirement for expanded parking with a requirement for cordoning off the
parking to be used with fencing, barriers and extruded curb or a combination of the
above in order to adequately and consistently restrict the flow of motor vehicles.
Lorcher: Do I have a second?
Grace: I will second that.
Lorcher: It's been moved and seconded to approve Treasure Valley Law Enforcement
Childcare with the condition of a barrier for the parking area that has been mentioned in
the motion. All those in favor say aye. Nay? Motion carries. Thank you very much.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. THREE ABSENT.
6. Public Hearing for Apex Farr Subdivision (H-2024-0014) by Brighton
Corporation, located at west side of S. Locust Grove Rd., north of E.
Lake Hazel Rd. and east of S. Meridian Rd.
A. Request: Modified Development Agreement to remove the property
annexed with South Meridian Arbor Ridge (H-2015-0019),
Inst.#2016-007071 and portions of the property annexed with
Shafer View Terrace (H-2020-0117), Inst.#2021-102396 and Apex
(H-2020-0066), Inst.#2020-178120 from the existing development
agreements to include in a new agreement and update the overall
conceptual development plan for the site and other provisions as
applicable.
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B. Request: Rezone of 38.69 acres of land from the R-2 to the
R-8 (0.76 acre), R-15 to C-C (6.66 acres), and R-4 to R-8
(31.27 acres) zoning districts.
C. Request: Preliminary Plat consisting of 381 single family
residential building lots, 6 commercial building lots and 60
common lots on 131.89 acres of land in the R-8, R-15 and
C-C zoning districts.
Lorcher: Okay. The next file on the agenda is File No. H-2024-0014. Is a request for a
modification for the development agreement, rezone and preliminary plat for Apex Farr
Subdivision. We will begin with the staff report.
Allen: Thank you, Madam Chair, Members of the Commission. The next application
before you is -- oops. Let me get here to the right spot here. Is a request for a
development agreement modification, a rezone and a preliminary plat. I just wanted to
make a note that there was a discrepancy in the hearing notice for the rezone, but the
description on the agenda is correct and it has been corrected for the Council notice.
This site consists of 131.89 acres of land. It's zoned R-4, R-8 and R-15 and is located
on the west side of South Locust Grove Road, north of East Lake Hazel Road and east
of South Meridian Road. A little history on this property. Except for the R-2 zoned
portion, the -- the rest of it was annexed in 2015 with an R-4 zoning district as part of
the South Meridian Category A annexation, which included -- excuse me? Oh, I'm so
sorry. I didn't realize I was -- or wasn't. All right. Let's try that again. So, it was
annexed as part of the South Meridian Category A annexation, which included multiple
properties and property owners. A placeholder R-4 zoning district was approved with
individual development agreements for each property owner, i.e., Arbor Ridge, Brighton
Investments, LLC; SCS, Brighton, LLC, and Murgoitio Limited Partnership, which
require modification prior to development of the property to approve any proposed
development plan. In 2020 a modification to the existing development agreements for
Brighton, SCS Brighton, Murgoitio Partnership was approved, which replaced these
agreements with one new agreement, which was Apex. A rezone was approved for
much of the subject property from the R-2 -- excuse me -- R-4 to the R-8 and R-15
districts. The Arbor Ridge R-4 zoned property along the northern boundary was under
different ownership at that time and was not included in the rezone, but is part of the
subject rezone application. A preliminary plat was also approved for Apex Northwest
Subdivision, which included the R-15 zoned portion of the subject property at the
southeast corner of the site. The conceptual master plan included in the development
agreement depicts future development with no specific development plan for the areas
not included in the preliminary plat with a general street layout on the south -- land
southwest of the Williams gas pipeline and a future school at the northwest corner of
Locust Grove and Crescendo. In 2021 the R-2 zoned portion of the property was
annexed with the development agreement and included in the Shafer View Terrace
Subdivision as Lot 1, Block 5. This lot was depicted as a future phase with no specific
development plan. A preliminary plat was approved in 2021 for Apex West Subdivision,
which included Lot 1, Block 5, Shafer View Terrace Subdivision and a portion of the
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subject property. A portion of this property is included in the subject preliminary plat.
The remainder will be part of Apex West Subdivision. The Comprehensive Plan future
land use map designation for this property -- it's on the middle map here -- is designated
low density residential, medium density residential and mixed-use community, with a
future school designation. The applicant is requesting a development agreement
modification to include the South Meridian Arbor Ridge property and portions of the
property annexed with Shafer View Terrace and Apex and a new development
agreement with an updated conceptual development plan as shown. These properties
will no longer be subject to the previous development agreements. The proposed
development plan is generally consistent with the future land use map. The future
school previously planned at the northwest corner of Locust Grove and Crescendo was
shifted to the south side of Lake Hazel, east of Locust Grove. A rezone of a total of
38.69 acres of land from R-2 to R-8, which is .76 of an acre, R-15 to C-C, which is 6.66
acres and R-4 to R-8, which is 31.27 acres, is proposed. The area proposed to be
rezoned to R-8 is designated medium density residential on the future land use map,
except for a .76 acre portion, which is designated low density residential. The area
proposed to be zoned C-C is designated mixed-use community. The proposed zoning
is consistent with the associated future land use map designations. A preliminary plat is
proposed consisting of 381 single family residential building lots, six commercial
building lots and 60 common lots on 131.89 acres of land in the R-8, R-15 and C-C
zoning districts and is a resubdivision of a portion of Lot 1, Block 5, Shafer View Terrace
Subdivision. The remainder of which will be included in the Apex West final plat. The
plat is proposed to develop in seven phases as shown on the phasing plan on the right.
Minimum lot size proposed is 4,180 square feet, with an average lot size of 8,021
square feet. A gross density of 2.84 units per acre, with a net density of 5.43 units per
acre is proposed, which is consistent with the density desired in the medium density
future land use map designation. A mix of front loaded and alley loaded single family
residential detached units in a variety of different lot sizes are proposed, with larger lots
along the northern boundary to provide a transition between the rural lots to the north of
the Farr Lateral. Access is proposed via the extension of East Quartz Creek Street,
East Trenton Street and East Liberator Court at the project's west boundary and from
South Locust Grove Road via South Apex Way and East Crescendo Street. An
emergency access is proposed at the northern boundary via South Margaret Avenue.
Several common driveways are proposed as depicted on the plat. Stub streets are
proposed for future extension and interconnectivity with adjacent development and
future development in Apex Pinnacle. A collector street is stubbed to the north, which
will extend to East Amity Road, with future development and South Apex Way will
extend to South Locust Grove Road as a collector street in accord at the master street
map. Cross-access ingress-egress easements should be provided between all of the
commercial lots. There are several common driveways that are depicted on the plat.
Private streets are proposed to access for the residential units in Blocks 2 and 23. As
shown ACHD will not allow those streets to be public alleys, because some of the lots
don't have frontage on a public street. This also creates an issue with addressing the
units that have frontage on both a public street and the proposed private street, which
staff is concerned will create confusion for emergency responders. Therefore, staff is
recommending these blocks are reconfigured, so that public alleys may be allowed and
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addressing can be from the adjacent public street. Lot 23 at the southeast corner of the
development consists of rear loaded single family residential units on the west side and
commercial uses on the east side as shown on the layout on the left. A 25 foot wide
buffer to residential uses is required on the C-C zoned property per the UDC. The
applicant is requesting a reduction in the buffer width to zero with the provision of a 15
foot wide common MEW on the residential portion, which will include landscaping and a
sidewalk. Staff is not in favor of the proposed layout with the residential units abutting
the parking lot for the commercial area with only a 15 foot wide landscape area in
between. Staff recommends the access drives for the residential units are constructed
as alleys, instead of private streets and a north-south public street is provided between
the residential and the commercial lots for addressing purposes for the east facing
residential units, which is an issue with the proposed layout for on-street parking for the
residential units and as a transition separation between land uses as shown on the
layout on the right. There are several site constraints that affect the design and layout
of the project. They include the following: The Carlson Lateral runs along the northwest
boundary of the site. The Farr Lateral runs along the northeast boundary of the site at
the highest elevation of the project. The McBurney Lateral will be piped and is located
in the southeast portion of the project. The Watkins Drain runs through the northwest
quadrant. The Williams Northwest gas pipeline bisects this site within a 75 foot wide
easement and that's shown in orange there on the plan. There is an existing sewer
trunk line on the northwest corner of the property and a 25 foot wide easement and
there are slopes between seven and 12 percent along the northeast boundary of the
site within the area shown in red on the map. Due to these constraints the applicant is
requesting a waiver from City Council to the maximum block face length standard of 750
feet without an intersecting street or alley. Block faces are allowed to extend up to one
thousand feet where a pedestrian connection is proposed between the streets within the
block. The face of Block 12 along Precipice Drive is approximately 2,500 feet and that
is the street that runs along the northern -- northeast boundary of the site right here.
There are two pedestrian connections proposed within the block that provide pedestrian
access between streets. The Farr Lateral runs along the north side of the street at the
highest point of the development as I mentioned. The face of Block 12 along West
Vertex Drive is approximately 1,500 feet long. One pedestrian connection is proposed
within the block that provides pedestrian access between streets and that is just the
other side of this block. So, it's this area right here. Traffic calming is proposed in the
form of a 29 foot wide street section for West Precipice Drive along the Farr Lateral,
which will only allow parking on one side of the street and bulb outs and choke points at
pedestrian crossings as shown. A landscape plan was submitted with a preliminary plat
that depicts street buffers and common open space landscaping for the development. A
fencing plan was also submitted as shown on the right. Multi-use pathways are
proposed within the Williams Pipeline easement and along Locust Grove Road. A
minimum of 15 percent or 18.93 acres of land is required for qualified open space to be
provided in the R-8 and R-15 zoning districts. A total of 36.1 acres, which is 29 percent,
is proposed at almost double the required amount. Site amenities totaling a minimum of
26 points from each category are required to be provided. Amenities totaling 30 points
are proposed consisting of two fitness courses, a dog park and two education gardens
from the quality of life category. A swimming pool with changing facilities and restrooms
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and two tot lots and natural play areas from the recreation activity category. .37 mile of
pathway aligned with linear open space and 1.61 miles of multi-use pathways from the
pedestrian or bicycle circulation system category and, finally, a bicycle repair station
from the multi-modal category. This does, again, exceed UDC standards. Several
conceptual building elevations were submitted for the proposed residential development
as shown. A mix of single story and two-story homes are proposed that include a
variety of siding styles with masonry accents in a variety of colors and design elements
and features with varying roof profiles and wall modulation that demonstrates the high
quality of development proposed. No elevations were submitted for the commercial
portion of the development, but they will be subject to design review standards. Written
testimony has been received from Amanda McNutt, Brighton. That's from the applicant,
the response to the staff report. The applicant requests deletion of the following
conditions: There -- there is several, so I won't -- I won't go through each of the
conditions. They are in your hearing outline. But I will go through the items that they
are requesting for deletion. They are asking for the ten foot wide detached sidewalks to
be provided along all collector streets for public safety in lieu of the on-street bicycle
lanes. They want deletion of that, because they are -- only five foot wide sidewalks are
proposed in the remainder of the development that's already gone through and has
been approved for consistency and staff is okay with that request and just requiring the
typical five foot detached sidewalks required by code. They are also asking deletion of
the north-south public street to be provided between the residential and the commercial
lots in Block 23. They are requesting deletion of the requirement for the revision to the
lot layout in Block 2 to comply with ACHD's requirements for public alleys, so that the
lots only have frontage on one named street. They are requesting deletion of the
requirement for a sidewalk on the north side of West Precipice Drive. That is a UDC
standard that staff can't waive. They are requesting modification to Condition No. 3 to
clarify the landscape plan, which will be revised at the time of final plat and staff is in
agreement with this clarification and they are asking a modification to include language
on Condition No. 9 requiring the alternative compliance to the common driveway in
Block 12 if requested to be submitted concurrently with the final plat application and
staff is in agreement with that request as well. Staff is recommending approval of the
proposed applications with the conditions in the staff report. Staff will stand for any
questions.
Lorcher: Would the applicant like to come forward?
McNutt: Thank you. Mike Wardle is handing out just the little blurb of changes that we
requested, just so it's a little easier for you guys to find. I'm Amanda McNutt. 2929
West Navigator Drive, Meridian. 83642. 1 apologize I don't know if there is a way to
make this a little bit smaller in here. Oh. Never mind. I got it. All right. So, thank you
again for having us. This is Apex Farr, which is the next portion of the Pinnacle
community out at Locust Grove and Lake Hazel Roads. As Sonya mentioned, it's 131.8
acres, 381 new residential units, six commercial lots and there are 60 common lots. As
mentioned it's about .8 acres from the R-2 zone to the R-8 zone, 29 and .9 acres from
the -- R-4 holding zone to an R-8 zone and 5.3 acres from the R-15 to C-C zone.
Again, this is consistent with the future land use map. I would like to take a moment to
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discuss the site specific constraints. We do have significant grade along the Farr
Lateral and the Williams Pipeline is a constrictive vertical grade as well. So, we really
can't change any grade between those two points. So, the Farr Lateral and the Williams
Pipeline are -- are very constricting in our site. That -- that is driving a lot of the design
in this particular development. As you can kind of see from this graphic here a lot of
linear things are following those two points and, again, that's -- that's driven by the site
itself. So, to the first variance request that we are asking for with that Precipice Street
along the Farr Lateral, again, it -- it mostly is due to the fact that we have significant
grade there that makes it extremely difficult to add any additional road connections. It
would be to the point where we actually couldn't meet ADA requirements if we were to
add additional roadway sections through there. As it is we are going to have to do
probably some major grading efforts to make lots work through that area and to get
those pathway connections. Also I wanted to note that both ACHD and city staff were
supportive of this design with both Precipice and Vertex Drive. Vertex Drive is a little bit
less of a concern I think due to the length. There are several intersections, as well as
two pathway connections that intersect that street. Several choke points as well to try to
calm traffic through there, as well as some variation in the straightness. I guess it's not
completely straight through there. The next variance request that we are asking for is to
allow more than three lots on a common driveway on a single side. So, I believe code
allows for four lots total on a common drive, just not on a single side. This particular
layout is a little bit unique. You can kind of see that we have some additional parking
next to or between Lot 76 and Lot 77. Lot 76 is that driveway. The way that it lays out,
obviously, four lots are taking access from that driveway, but we believe that this is a
little bit better design, rather than having two abutting driveways with no through access,
when we spoke to the fire department they agreed that this was a better design as far
as access to and through those homes. The next variance request that we are asking
for is the 25 foot buffer between the residential and commercial zones be removed. The
intent here is that we want to integrate those uses as much as possible, both for
pedestrian and the other homes within this area to be able to access the commercial
uses. These are going to be neighborhood type commercial uses, not heavy
commercial uses and we believe that this is going to allow just a better flow in the area.
We do have the 15 foot MEW as described by Sonya and, then, we also have a ten foot
lawn area between the MEW and the front of the homes, which, essentially, will equal a
25 foot separation between the front of the home and the parking lot and we just feel
that this is going to be a much more seamless transition between uses and to serve the
neighborhood. We have a variety of amenities within the community already. Pinnacle
residents will have access to all new amenities in this pre-plat, as well as all the
previous and any future development. Pinnacle is developing as a single community.
As Sonya mentioned we have several areas where we are proposing amenities. They
are a little subject to change, although the area with the pool is likely to stay. And, then,
we have some concrete pathways, a natural pathway along the Williams Pipeline, as
well as a ten foot wide concrete pathway along the Williams Pipeline and a 14 foot
concrete pathway that bisects the development as well. We wanted to show kind of a
graphic of the intertwining pathways, which you can see there on the bottom left. It just
gives some variation in the pathway system there, so it's not all straight concrete without
anything there. We plan to have some natural elements in that pathway system.
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Obviously, we are a little bit limited, because it is in the pipeline, but we want to provide
as much of a natural feel as possible through there, so it's not just grass and concrete
and -- and kind of boring. Along the pathway area we are also going to have some
natural play areas and education gardens with, you know, more details to come at a
later date. Additionally, we will have another community pool and clubhouse, outdoor
gym, a dog park, bike repair station, as Sonya mentioned. We propose to develop in
about seven phases. This is also subject to change, but generally we are considering
starting at the southeast corner and developing toward the northwest. You did see
some of these living choices already. We will have some single family conventional
style homes, some paired homes as well. And, then, we will have our Carriage Lane
homes on those Carriage Lane areas. So, we would request a recommendation of
approval to City Council for the pre-plat, the rezone, the length of West Precipice Drive,
the length of West Vertex Drive, four lots on a single side of a common drive. We will
submit an alternative compliance to be submitted with the final plat. Removal of the
buffer between the C-C and R-15 zone and update conditions to include the deletions
and modifications in the memo dated -- and I apologize, that's actually dated September
6th, 2024.
Lorcher: Are there any questions for the applicant at this time?
Grace: Madam Chair?
Lorcher: Commissioner Grace.
Grace: Hi, Amanda. So, can you just give me a little more information about -- you --
you -- you indicated with respect to Block 23 and the 25 foot buffer, that eliminating it
and doing the things you are doing it better integrates the commercial and residential
spaces? I -- just tell me where I'm wrong, but I would think that I would want as much
buffer as possible if I were living there between me and the commercial space. How am
I looking at that wrong?
McNutt: The type of use that's going to be proposed there as far as the residential units
they will be paired small lot units. We don't expect that people are going to be spending
a lot of time in their yards. It's kind of that type of development where you would be
wanting to go into those commercial uses, the coffee shop or go to the fitness center or
something like that, rather than spending time in your home or really trying to develop a
community where people want to get out and spend time together with their neighbors,
instead of just in their homes.
Grace: And thank you for that, because maybe I missed what the types of commercial
activities were going to be there and they are sort of what you described there, more
retail, more friendly to people wanting to be over there and walk over there, that kind of
thing.
McNutt: Uh-huh.
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Grace: Yeah. Follow-up, Madam Chair? I -- I have to confess I'm not sure I'm
following -- not that I disagree necessarily. I'm just -- I want to make sure I understand
it. The maximum block face length, can you just explain that piece to me again?
McNutt: Yeah. So, Sonya, you can remind me what those lengths are that -- the
maximums are?
Allen: Yes. Would you like me to respond?
Grace: Sure. Yeah. If that's --
Allen: So, that the UDC allows a maximum block face length of 750 feet, unless -- well,
that's for an intersecting street or alley. They will allow up to one thousand feet if a
pedestrian pathway is provided that provides a connection between the two streets on
either side of the block. A block face is broken by a street or a 90 degree angle. So,
while these have a little bit of a -- a little curvature in the align, in -- in the alignment, it
does not constitute a break in a block face per city code.
Grace: So, a waiver would be needed?
Allen: Council waiver of the block length -- length standard would be needed, yes. Or a
redesign of those blocks.
Grace: And is that due to the realities of the site and the restrictions by the laterals and
the pipeline and everything that was mentioned?
Allen: Yeah. And that's the applicant's reason for the request. Our code allows for
requests for waivers to these standards in certain instances and one of those is slopes
in excess of ten percent and I believe they are seven to 12 percent in that area.
McNutt: Yeah. Madam Chair, Commissioner Grace, we also have the -- the Farr
Lateral there, which is also another provision that if you have a waterway abutting a
roadway it can also exceed. So, we -- we kind of are duplicating that reasoning there is
the slopes and also a -- a waterway.
Allen: Yes. That is correct.
Grace: And I apologize, this might be a question for staff. I -- there were some
instances where you indicated what staff feels about it. Did you -- did you put in the
report and I missed it what your feelings were on that request?
Allen: I did not. It's a -- it's a Council waiver. So, staff did not provide a
recommendation on that. We -- we did speak to the applicant in our pre-app meetings
about redesigning those blocks, so that they weren't so long. They are -- they are quite
long. They are more than double our standards. The applicant can explain to you their
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reasoning why they chose not to do that, but, yes, we did ask them to do that and we
would prefer that, if it's workable.
McNutt: Madam Chair, Commissioner, unfortunately, the grades and -- and other
restrictions there it -- it is nearly impossible to add roadway connections. Literally we --
we just wouldn't be able to meet minimum standards to get additional roadway
connections in there. It's very steep and it would be extremely difficult. Basically we
would -- I mean you can create a road, but you would have a fall on each side of the
road.
Grace: Thank you.
Lorcher: Commissioner Smith or Sandoval, do you have any questions for the applicant
or take public testimony?
Sandoval: Madam Chair?
Lorcher: Commissioner Sandoval.
Sandoval: Quick question for the applicant. So, were you requesting the reduction from
25 to 15 feet. Is there any screening that's going to be going on there to shield some of
the headlights pulling in and out in that parking lot?
McNutt: Madam Chair, Commissioner, no, we don't propose any screening through
there.
Sandoval: Thank you.
Lorcher: Okay. Thank you.
McNutt: Thank you.
Lorcher: Madam Clerk, do we have anybody to testify?
Lomeli: Thank you, Madam Chair. We have Julie Edwards online. Can you hear us,
Julie?
Edwards: Yes, I can. Can you hear me?
Lomeli: Yes.
Lorcher: Can you state your name and address for the record, please?
Edwards: Sure. My name is Julie Edwards and address is 1310 East Mary Lane, which
is just north of the Farr Lateral. And, Madam Chair and Commissioners, I had a few
questions. It might be more of a -- a P&Z thing, rather than a developer thing, but firstly
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-- or first off, I had questions about the area requested to be rezoned from R-4 to R-8.
In an earlier Brighton postcard for a hearing that I received there was a section up there
noted -- it was zoned NAP, which I didn't see anything on the city's website, but other
websites said it was natural area protected. So, you can kind of see behind that R-4
there is a darker mass in the center and I was just wondering when that changed, if that
changed when it was annexed and why the city would have removed that designation,
because it's currently a predatory bird nesting area and at one point before all the
construction came along there were coyotes, fox, deer down there and so it's just kind
of, you know, disappointing that something like that would be removed. So, just
wondering why that wasn't protected. Second, about the block face maximum, so I hear
this a lot in a lot of meetings, a lot of waivers and, you know, variances and things like
that and I just feel like if there is a standard set, the developers know that there is --
there are rules to follow and why do we keep bending and twisting and letting them do
what they want, you know, even though that's not what it says, you know, you have to
hold everybody to the same standard I guess is what I'm saying. So, you know, I live
here. I'm on the canal a lot. The slope to the south -- just to the south of me doesn't
seem as steep. It is further down to the west, but where I am, you know, it doesn't really
feel like you would fall off the road if they put a road in there that -- and connected it to
Vertex. So, just something, I don't know, maybe somebody can drive by and have a
look and see about that and after speaking with my neighbors on Mary Lane we were
wanting to request from the developer that along the south side of the Farr Lateral from
approximately Locust Grove area up to where it would connect with Margaret, if there
could be -- I guess to my understanding that from the canal to Precipice it's a 25 foot
grass buffer and we are wondering if trees can go up there, because some of us up
here have been living here for over 40 years and so we are used to looking at farmland
and so this is quite a change with all the houses going in. So, we are just looking to
kind of have some tree buffer, so we don't have to look at the massive roofs and, lastly,
just in listening to this now I just want personal input. The homes that were over by the
commercial down on the southeast area, there is no way that people would want to look
out their front window into a parking lot. That's just my personal opinion. But there has
to be some sort of shrubbery, you know, I don't -- I like the idea of putting the road in
there, how you have on the right side, but there should be a fence or something. I
mean there is one thing about community living, but nobody wants to look at a parking
lot, you know. So, thank you.
Lorcher: Thank you. Madam Clerk, do we have anybody else for public testimony?
Lomeli: Thank you, Madam Chair. I have Melissa Fulkerson.
Fulkerson: First time doing this, so --
Lorcher: Okay. State your name and address for the record and you will have three
minutes.
Fulkerson: Melissa Fulkerson at 298 East Caldera Street, Meridian, Idaho. 83642.
Okay. So, I am in the Prevail neighborhood just west to this property. So, my couple
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questions are related to the phase six, specifically ensuring that that grass property of
what the proposal is stays. Right now that -- the way that our neighborhood is designed
there is -- the street above me is a cul-de-sac with an extension. So, up in the -- the
grass area where you can kind of see like a little half circle, in the -- the gray area, that
is a steeper grade and ensuring that there is -- that retains as a great grassy area and
that that does not become a through street, that would be extremely -- I would be
extremely concerned with the amount of traffic coming through there and with the way
people drive through neighborhoods and with the steep grade there. The other thing
that I had a question about -- or would like to understand more is actually the extension
of the main street to connect to -- from Meridian to Locust Grove. So, the Quartz Creek
that kind of dog legs down and, then, connects over to Locust Grove, I would like to
understand more about what that timeline looks like and how that would play into the
overall phasing of the project. With that, yes, it's nice and it's nice that it -- it is not just a
straight through so people can just speed on through. Again, there is a lot of kids in
these neighborhoods. We have a massive amount of kids in our neighborhood and I
am nervous about people just speeding through. So, I would like to see some
alternative ways to slow down traffic through that area, not just a curve in the street.
Thank you.
Lorcher: Thank you.
Lomeli: Madam Chair, no one else has signed up to testify.
Lorcher: Is there anybody in Chambers that would like to testify on this application?
Would the applicant come forward and address some of the concerns.
McNutt: Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm going to start and, then, Jon Wardle with
Brightness is also going to come up and kind of close this out. So, that phase six
grassy area that was discussed that, again, is such a steep slope right there I don't think
there is any way that we could even put a -- a street through there if we wanted to. So, I
would say don't worry about that. That's probably not going to be able to change. Plus
that is where we propose our -- our pool and clubhouse. Up against that slope we are
going to try to do some cool stuff, maybe a -- a sledding hill or something up there. We
haven't fully vetted that, but since it is a slope we are going to try to work with it and --
and make it pretty neat. As far as along Precipice on whether or not we could do some
trees, it is something that we can look into. The Farr Lateral does have an easement
that, obviously, we would either need some kind of a -- an agreement with them or
something to be able to get some trees in there, but if it's -- if it's possible to do that we
can definitely look at doing that. As far as on the other side against where the -- the
homes will be, there -- there are going to be some trees and other landscape there. I'm
going to let Jon speak about the Quartz Creek phasing. I -- I believe there -- there is
some other stuff going on with that one, so I will let him speak to that and, then, I think I
was missing one of Julie's questions. Oh, about neighbors not wanting to look directly
at a -- at a parking lot. You know, I think one thing that a lot of people get hung up on is
how they would like to live. To be totally honest, I don't know that I would live there
either. I live on a half acre, but there are a lot of people, especially young families with
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no kids, who do want to be in a more urbanized area, but still live in Meridian. So, I -- I
think it just depends on who you are if you want to live there or not and, you know,
everybody's different and entitled to their own opinions of where they live. Frankly, I
don't think we would build it if people weren't going to buy those. So, that is something
kind of to consider with that, you know, and also to the Precipice length, we certainly
would like more roadway connections in there if they were doable. Unfortunately, I think
in this case it's just -- it's just not doable with the Williams Pipeline not being able to be
raised up and the Farr Lateral not being able to be brought down. So, we are doing
what we can in there and with that I'm going to turn it over to Jon Wardle.
Wardle: Commissioners, good evening. My name is Jon Wardle. 2929 West
Navigator, Meridian, Idaho. 83642. Amanda did a really good job explaining the
project. I just want to stand up, because I do have context on the whole project,
because I have been here from the very beginning. There was a question raised by
Julie about this NAP. When we first started Pinnacle we did not own that part and we
titled it NAP, which was not a part. It wasn't a natural preserved area. If you go back
and you look at it it was an old farmhouse, farmstead. The area around it was farmed.
Yes, there were trees there I'm sure. There has been all sorts of wildlife in and around,
but, to be clear, that is not a natural preserve. It was just simply at the time that when
we started Pinnacle it was not a part of our ownership, but it is now and so we have
brought that into the project and have requested a rezone to match the -- the area that
was rezoned around it. Contextually that property was actually brought in by the city
when the city extended sewer to the south. There were a number of properties or
owners that participated in that and they all came in as an R-4 and, then, when we
acquired it we thought we would just wait until this time to bring it in and develop it
together. Regarding the -- the question on the open space and Prevail, we were
surprised when Prevail phase three was developed and they put a cul-de-sac at the end
of that with a stub street coming to us. If you walked out there there is a significant
grade between that cul-de-sac on the north, which you can kind of see up here in the
upper left corner, there is a little cul-de-sac that was there and, then, the open space
down below. We have a number of things going on there, but I can unequivocally
commit that we are not developing that other than open space as you see it right now.
There is a sewer main line -- the city sewer main line comes through there and makes a
hard left over to Prevail. We have the Watkins drain which goes through there. We
also have the pipeline that -- which is on the right-hand side of that area and we are
trying to make that an amenity with also some slope. We are much lower than the
Prevail neighborhood up above and we do not intend to put a road through that area.
We did look at a number of different ways to design Precipice along the Farr. It actually
does sit -- the roadway does sit below the Farr Lateral some distance already, but -- and
there are parts of it which are flat. If you get over to Locust Grove it is pretty flat. But as
you move your way west along the lateral and towards the Prevail neighborhood the
slope is dramatic and there really is not a way to build a road -- well, anything's
possible. You can build a road, but the walls would be significantly tall or you would be
tapering at a very long distance. So, the alternatives we came up with were choke
points, pedestrian access through. There was another street that was proposed
originally that's a public street called Margaret. That's not the connection we are going
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to make. It's a little bit farther to the west. And so Precipice is designed that way. That
will be an item that we will discuss with Council. It's more of an informational piece for
the Commission tonight to make you aware. It wasn't our first design, but it is the best
design and there is also opportunities for traffic calming there and pedestrian access
back and forth and just, finally, on the part that's down by the commercial, that was not
designed in a vacuum either. We looked at two things as one where what are the type
of commercial uses that we see happening in that location. The things that we have --
that we have proposed that we are working on right now would include a public fitness
facility that we -- that people throughout the community could use. A daycare and a
community church. Those would be the elements that would fit we believe on the
commercial piece with the residential across the parking lot. Typically the city code
states that a 25 foot buffer is to be on the commercial side. Most of the time that you
have these residential projects and you have commercial projects that are done by
different owners. This case we own both. We are still providing a 25 foot buffer, but it
happens to be on the residential side. Fifteen feet of it is in a common lot, which will
also include a north-south pedestrian connection, which gets you up into the Williams
Pipeline and it will also allow us to plant trees and other things like that. We do not
intend to build a fence, but we do intend to make it a very nice livable corridor. We also
designed it after a similar project we did in Barber Valley, which is on the east side of
Boise. We have townhomes which are right up against an office project separated by a
pathway and a parking lot. The dimensions are almost identical. So, yes, maybe not
everybody would want to live in this situation, but we feel like it does present an
opportunity for a different type of living opportunity at Pinnacle, which we are offering
many different types from attached to detached, large lots, small lot, but I think the key
to this community Apex Farr is the amount of open space, connectivity. We have been
very thoughtful about the pathway system, how this all works together and within the
constraints of a lot of topography, pipelines and three or four waterways as well. So, we
appreciate your consideration and request your approval and recommendation to the
City Council.
Lorcher: Commissioners, do we have any questions for Mr. Wardle?
Smith: Madam Chair?
Lorcher: Commissioner Smith.
Smith: Yeah. Just regarding that commercial facing aspect, how do you address
parking for the residents? Are there -- do you anticipate there being dedicated parking
stalls for each of those residencies in lieu of on-street parking? You know, help me
understand that.
Wardle: Sorry. Commissioner Smith, hold on one second. Each of the -- we are very
aware of the city's requirements for residential parking, so each of the units there will
have available parking for themselves, required parking. So, each unit will meet that.
We will also have -- and while it doesn't count towards it, but on-street parking. The
nice thing is these homes are serviced by a carriage lane or an alley and so you don't --
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you are not contending with driveways on the adjoining road, which is Apex, but, yes,
each of the homes will have to provide for its own required parking per the city code.
Smith: Thank you.
Lorcher: Mr. Wardle, just a follow up. So, the homes that are on -- that lay along the
commercial, you said they are alley loaded. So, do they have parking in the alley, so
each one has like covered parking or a garage on the backside that you can't see?
Wardle: Correct. Each of these homes would have a garage -- two car garage with
them. We also are providing a parking space up to the north of that site and we would
provide some guest parking as well.
Lorcher: So, to understand the concept of this home they will have parking in the back
of the alley, so they have no backyard and their front yard really is just kind of a visual.
It's not some place that they would probably spend time, because they are looking out
at a community church or a daycare or a fitness center; correct?
Wardle: Madam Chair, this is actually -- yeah, that is correct. But you want to expand a
little bit. They also will all have side yards and private patio areas. We just completed
the same type of -- well, these will be a little bit different. These are still paired homes
and we just built 56 paired homes in Apex Northwest No. 1. Sorry. Where they were
paired homes and they each had their own patio and their own side -- private side yard
as well. So, they will have the side yard, that they will be able to use as their private
space.
Lorcher: Okay. Thank you. Commissioners, any other questions for Mr. Wardle?
Thank you.
Wardle: Thank you.
Lorcher: All right. May I get a motion -- oh, no. No, we are good. No, you are good.
Just thinking. I will take a motion to close the public hearing.
Grace: So moved.
Lorcher: Do I have a second?
Smith: Second.
Lorcher: It's been moved and seconded to close the public hearing. All those in favor,
please, say aye. Okay. Motion -- motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. THREE ABSENT.
Lorcher: Anybody like to start on this?
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Sandoval: Madam Chair.
Lorcher: Commissioner Sandoval.
Sandoval: I will keep this pretty short. You are asking for quite a few exemptions. I'm
not crazy that there is no screening in between that parking lot. I think -- but I do think
likely the windows are going to be placed in the location hopefully that those lights aren't
just going to shine right into people's living areas. Working with the constraints you
guys are working and the fact that you doubled the open space I think is a huge positive
and I think overall it's a pretty good project.
Lorcher: Thank you. Commissioner Smith?
Smith: Yeah. Madam Chair, thank you. I -- I think to the significant majority of this
project I -- I understand some of the -- the requests for -- for the variations and things
like that. I'm having a real hard time with -- with this Lot 23 approach. I -- I -- I
understand it's -- it looks like it's about ten lots -- or ten -- ten homes. It's not going to
make or break, you know, the -- the -- the city as a whole, but I think you owe it to these
people to make sure that they are -- you know, the -- the -- the -- the homes that they
purchase or rent are -- are livable within a reasonable extent and I -- I -- I don't know
that I have ever seen a layout like the existing layout. It -- it doesn't make sense to me
for the addressing reasons that the staff mentioned for -- for some of the -- the parking
reasons and some of the kind of reasons that Commissioner Grace laid out of, you
know, if I want to go to the commercial -- to the commercial section I can still take the
crosswalk at the north and south end, but I -- I would prefer to have some of my own
space. If that extends my walk to the coffee shop by 30 seconds I'm okay with it. Then,
again, that's a personal preference and I understand there might be people with
different preferences, but I think there are too many things about this that are just kind
of -- no, not that a single one are a red flag, but there are a lot of yellow flags here and
I'm not fully comfortable with the existing layout.
Lorcher: Thank you. Commissioner Grace.
Grace: Thanks, Madam Chair. So, yeah, I think that -- I mean it's a pretty sizable
project. There is a lot going on. I like it generally. I don't -- I don't -- I don't love
everything in it and, you know, the amenities are great. The open space is great. I
appreciate that the applicant, you know, was willing to work with some of the -- the
neighbors on the tree buffers. I don't personally have an issue with the modification to
that 25 foot buffer. I think that folks who are going to live there are going to have to
make an informed decision whether they want to live there and -- and -- and -- and sort
of have that commercial space across from them. Everybody's different; right? And,
hopefully, those will be, you know, informed decisions when they make them. I have
some issue with the requested block lengths I guess. I -- they -- they seem very long.
They seem -- it doesn't seem right. I get the constraints of the site. As it relates to
those sort of specific variances, if that's what you want to call them, I would support the
ones that staff supported. I thought their rationale was good for those. The ones that
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maybe -- because of the UDC, at least on one of them, I wouldn't -- I would -- I wouldn't.
My question is it looks like we have three things in front of us. We got the plat, we got
the rezone and we got the development agreement. You know, can we -- I -- I -- I -- I'm
not against those three things, I just is it -- do we just -- what do we do, make our
thoughts on some of these specific items known to the -- to the Council, so that they can
have a sense of where we were on them? Okay. So -- so, I'm not sure what you take
from all that, but --
Lorcher: Okay. Well, I have -- I have a few comments as well. Can -- can we pull up
the last slide from the presentation? I think it had a list of the things that were going to
be part of the motion. I think they were bullet points at the last slide, please.
Allen: Madam Chair, are you asking about the applicant's presentation?
Lorcher: What -- is this your last slide here?
Allen: This is staff's presentation.
Lorcher: Then the applicant's. Is that available to us?
Allen: Yes.
Lorcher: My two comments would be -- I'm struggling with the crossover from the
commercial to the -- to the residential as well. It would have been nice to see your
Barber Park displays, because maybe that would help us conceptually with it. My first
thought when I think about cars in front of a house -- it almost feels like it's a motel, you
know, where you got your front door and you have got cars pulling into a stall, whether
they are backing in or fronting in and the headlights are going to come through your
front window, you know, if it -- if it's a fitness center that's available 24/7, you know, may
or may not be parked over there, but who is -- who is to say? So -- but like
Commissioner Grace said, we are not the ones buying them. So, you know, everybody
has their own choices as far as that's concerned, but as -- I agree with the city that there
should be more of a buffer between the commercial and the residential just to create
that kind of space and not having those parking stalls right in front of their houses.
Fencing is not necessary, but just having that and walking another ten or 15 feet across
that open alley would just give everybody a little bit more wiggle room and, then,
secondly, I do have concerns with the streets that are private in which law enforcement
or emergency services might get confused on how to get to those people based on
addressing. So, you have got your collector street, but, then, you have got a private
street that may or may not be the same name and, then, how do you find that place. I
live in a -- in a subdivision or a circle and half of the streets have a name going left and
the next street is going right, but it's actually the same street and it's -- it's good,
because we are a circle, so you -- you eventually get there, but it -- it is relatively
confusing. So, I live that every day. So, I -- I am a little bit knowledgeable on that part.
So, those would probably be the two things that I would have a problem with, but not to
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stop it from going forward to City Council. Sonya, is this the last page of their
presentation?
Allen: No, but is that the last page you were --
Lorcher: No. I was looking at the bullet points.
Allen: Okay.
Lorcher: Up a little bit. Right here. So, as a Commission we are looking at a pre-plat.
This was a very good slide by the way. Thank you very much. A pre-plat, a rezone -- a
rezone and the third thing we are -- and the development agreement modification. So,
when we make our motion tonight those would be the three things that we will have to
address in our motion.
Allen: Madam Chair, may I?
Lorcher: Yes.
Allen: It is a Council decision. It does not require a recommendation from the
Commission on the block face waiver or the waiver to the buffer between the -- on the
commercial property to the residential use. You are welcome to say your opinion on
those two matters, but it does not require recommendation if you don't wish to make
one.
Lorcher: Okay. Thank you.
Sandoval: Madam Chair?
Lorcher: Yes.
Sandoval: Yeah. So, I'm looking at this topo map right now of that north section and
that's a very challenging grade to work with, so looking at the exemptions and
everything that's requested, I think we, hopefully, are all understand -- understanding
that, yeah, maybe the commercial to residential isn't great and that can be improved,
but I think we should -- my opinion move this forward with a recommendation of
approval and, then, let Council decide on all the exemptions.
Lorcher: Do we have anybody who wants to put a motion together or --
Grace: Madam Chair, if we are going to put on the record our feelings about some of
the requested modifications I guess maybe I thought I was in the minority, so -- on some
of those and I don't want to make a motion that doesn't reflect what the Commission
would like, so -- I mean I can make a motion, but others felt like, for instance, a 25 foot
buffer was okay, so -- and it seemed like that was the majority opinion.
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Lorcher: Right. But Sonya also mentioned that that would be a City Council decision.
That doesn't have to be in our motion.
Grace: Okay.
Smith: Madam Chair?
Lorcher: Commissioner Smith.
Smith: I -- to that I would also be fine, you know, with punting on that, essentially, and
not addressing that in the motion, if -- if -- if -- Commissioner Grace, if that makes you
feel more comfortable. I don't have that necessarily the -- the paper that got handed
out, so I was a little hesitant to make a motion on my end.
Lorcher: Again, we are -- we are making a recommendation for a pre-plat, rezone and
development modification.
Grace: Madam Chair, I can take a stab at a motion then.
Lorcher: Commissioner Grace.
Grace: Make sure I got the right -- see that, I did not have the right one. After
considering all staff, applicant and public testimony I move to recommend approval to
the City Council of File No. H-2024-0014 as presented in the staff report for the hearing
date of September 5th, 2024, with I guess specific recommendations of approval related
to the -- the pre-plat proposal, the rezoning request and the -- the DA modification
request.
Sandoval: Second.
Lorcher: It's been moved and seconded to make -- make a recommendation to City
Council on Apex Farr Subdivision with the -- with no modifications.
Allen: Madam Chair, may I clarify the motion, please?
Lorcher: Yes.
Allen: Is -- is that motion based on staffs recommended conditions of approval?
Grace: Yes.
Allen: Thank you.
Lorcher: So, let's repeat it just to be safe.
Grace: Okay. So, you want me to read the whole motion again?
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Lorcher: Yes, please.
Grace: Wow, I barely got through it the first time. After considering all staff, applicant
and public testimony, I move to recommend approval to the City Council of File No. H-
2024-0014 as presented in the staff report for the hearing date of September 5th, 2024,
with no modifications and I guess in accordance with staff recommendations and to the
extent I need to specifically call out those three -- those three issues that were -- the
applicant is requesting those are specifically recommended for approval.
Lorcher: Does that work, Kurt?
Starman: Madam Chair, Members of the Commission, I think that works. I think just to
-- to clarify with the maker of the motion, I think that -- that last comment about the three
requests you are referring to, the preliminary plat, the modified development agreement
-- which, actually, is a Council decision as well, but you are -- you are welcome to make
a recommendation, but that's the Council's prerogative and the director is the
recommending body. So, I think if you are referring to -- and, then, the rezoning
request. So, those are the three items we are referring to, I -- I think that motion works
just fine.
Lorcher: Okay. All right. I won't make you repeat it again. May I have a second?
Sandoval: Second.
Lorcher: It's been moved and seconded to approve File H-2024-0014 with a
recommendation to City Council with the aforementioned items. All those in favor say
aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you very much.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. THREE ABSENT.
7. Public Hearing for Raising Cane's (H-2024-0006) by Michael O'Reilly,
Kimley Horn, located at 2700 N. Eagle Rd.
A. Request: Conditional Use Permit to construct a drive-through
restaurant with food and drink services including an indoor/outdoor
seating area. The drive-through restaurant will be approximately
2,862 gross square feet overall and is one-story in height with
landscaping along two perimeter property lines.
Lorcher: All right. It is a quarter 8:00 and let me see -- oh, we have a -- let's do one
more. We have a conditional use permit for Raising Cane's and we will give everybody
a chance to get situated and we will start with the staff report.
Ritter: Okay. Good evening, Madam Chair and Commissioners. So, tonight we are
here for a conditional use permit request for Raising Cane's. This site consists of 1.46
acres of land, zoned C-G, and it's located at 2700 North Eagle Road. So, the request is
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for a conditional use permit to construct a drive through restaurant with food and drink
serving -- services, including an indoor and outdoor seating area. The drive through
restaurant will be approximately 2,862 gross square feet overall and is one story in
height with landscaping along two perimeter property lines. A conditional use permit is
required as the proposed drive through is within 300 feet of an existing drive through.
The proposed hours of operation being requested through this conditional use permit
are Sunday through Thursday with the closing time of 1:30 a.m. Friday and Saturday
with a closing time of 3:30 a.m. or as restricted through this CUP process. As proposed
the use complies with the zoning for this site and is subject to specific standards listed
in 11-3-3-11 of the UDC. Conceptual building elevations were submitted for the
proposed restaurant. The proposed building design includes composite lumber, brick
veneer, metal and aluminum panels. Final design is required to comply with design
standards in the Architectural Standards Manual. The applicant shall obtain a certificate
of zoning compliance and go through administrative design review approvals before
submitting for any building permits with this development. So, the Idaho Transportation
Department requested chip generation information to determine what mitigation, if any,
may be required to complete. The applicant needs to reach out to ITD to discuss their
comments. There was no written testimony for this application and staff recommends
approval of this proposed conditional use permit with the conditions outlined in the staff
report and so -- excuse me. I need to show you my beautiful slides. I was ready to get
this done. So, this is the site plan and this is a landscape plan. This are -- these are
the elevations that were submitted and this is an overview of the area. So, at this time
staff will stand for any questions that you may have pertaining to this application.
Lorcher: Would the applicant like to come forward?
Chiles: Hi. My name is Kelli Chiles. Address is 1100 West Idaho Street, Suite 210,
Boise, Idaho. 83702. 1 don't know if we have that PowerPoint getting pulled up.
Perfect. Apologies. Just making sure we can see it good here. All righty. Good
evening, Madam Chair and Commissioners. Tonight we are here talking about the
Raising Cane's drive through restaurant. We are requesting a conditional use permit for
this project. So, the project team that we have for this project consists of Michael
O'Reilly, who is the engineer for this project. Myself, who is helping out in a planning
capacity. R.V. Vann, who is joined with us on the phone, who is a representative of
Raising Cane's and Marissa Muja, who is the architect for the project also on the phone
and should be available to answer any questions tonight. There we go. Are you
changing it also?
Lorcher: It's a little sensitive.
Chiles: I see that. So, the timeline that we took to get to this hearing tonight first started
with a pre-app meeting that was held in April of 2024. We, then, rolled into a
neighborhood meeting to get community feedback in May. We submitted our
applications in May and, then, we are having our Planning and Zoning Commission
hearing tonight in September. So, the project is located closest to the cross streets of
Ustick and Eagle Road. It is near Gateway Marketplace directly to the north of the site.
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The address is 2700 North Eagle Road. This is a more zoomed in picture of the area.
It consists of 1.46 acres and is located within the Sessions Parkway Subdivision, which
on the next slide I have an overall view of just to show what's going -- this property was
recently subdivided, so the Raising Cane's restaurant will be in this Lot 1. These
associated improvements in roads are currently under construction in the final plat for
that will be recording soon. So, the future land use map for this site is designated as
mixed-use regional, which is in compliance with the Comprehensive Plan as it calls for
commercial land use to provide a mix of employment, retail, residential dwellings and
public uses near -- near major arterial intersections. The site is zoned general retail and
service commercial, in which a drive through restaurant is a permitted use. Like staff
mentioned, a conditional use permit is required because the drive through will be
located within 300 feet of another drive through and that drive through that qualifies us
is located north of our site in one of those shopping centers. This is our proposed site
plan. You can see on this site now -- on the screen now we are proposing a one story
2,862 square foot building. We will be providing two entrances into the site that travel
both ways and those will be located off of the internal access road that's being built as a
part of the subdivision. We will be providing two drive-through lanes, as well as a
bypass lane for people to exit the drive through if they need to early for any reason at
all. We are also providing a 35 foot landscape buffer along Eagle Road, as well as a
ten foot landscape buffer to the north of the site adjacent to the internal access road.
We are also providing 35 parking spaces and the required amount of parking spaces is
seven. So, we are well exceeding those requirements. These are some of the
conceptual elevations we are suggesting for this site. As you can see the exterior is a
mixture of brick and wood veneer. So, we had a chance to review the staff report ahead
of time and we are good with all the conditions as they were written in the staff report.
The next step in our process is this certificate of zoning compliance. So, the staff will
have another chance to provide us feedback and -- and take a look at all the specific
items that we are proposing. We did mention already that ITD had a condition that we
needed to work with them on the trip generation that this site will be generating and we
will comply with all those conditions as well. So, lastly, Raising Cane's would just like to
say that this is their first location in Idaho and they are very excited to be in this market.
So, they are excited and so we request approval of the conditional use permit. Thank
you so much and I stand for any questions.
Lorcher: Thank you. Commissioners, do we have any questions for the applicant?
Sandoval: Madam Chair?
Lorcher: Commissioner Sandoval.
Sandoval: Quick question for the applicant. That east-west sidewalk -- I'm assuming
that's a sidewalk. What is the width? Is that a six foot? That goes straight through the
center.
Chiles: This guy right here?
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Sandoval: Yes.
Chiles: I'm assuming five foot, but I might have to double check that number.
Sandoval: Okay. And, then, does it connect to anything on the far east side?
Chiles: So, there will be a -- a crosswalk through that -- through the drive through that
leads up to the -- the sidewalks kind of around the building and that was one of the
conditions that was noted in the staff report that that crosswalk should have differing
materials, so people going through the drive through can understand that that's a
crosswalk a little bit clearer.
Sandoval: Okay. And last question. Is there going to be any kind of bike parking along
that east side of the building or anywhere on the patio?
Chiles: Yeah. That -- that is actually another one of the conditions in the staff report
that we plan to comply with.
Sandoval: Okay. Thank you.
Grace: Madam Chair?
Lorcher: Commissioner Grace.
Grace: Kelli, you said that there was a neighborhood -- you had your neighborhood
meeting in May. Did you get any feedback from neighbors?
Chiles: I wasn't personally present, but based on the no's I'm -- nope.
Grace: I'm not completely an old -- an old curmudgeon, but 3:30 a.m. on Fridays and
Saturdays, is that pretty -- is that your business model?
Chiles: So, that is Raising Cane's preferred hours of operations that they have seen in
other markets. So, they would like to keep that amount of flexibility if this market does
end up demanding that. They -- I think the intent there would be to back those hours off
if the market doesn't actually work for that in this area.
Grace: I just -- I don't know of any other establishment or restaurant or anything that's --
that's around there on Eagle Road that's going to be open that late. Maybe there are,
but I wonder if it's -- if it has a potential turn out as a place for people to gather that late
and directly east of the site are those projected to be multi-family apartments?
Chiles: Yeah. So, what's existing -- so just east of the screen is a multi-family. This --
these three parcels that you see on the screen directly to the east of us is proposed to
be a hotel.
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Grace: Say that again.
Chiles: A hotel.
Grace: Directly in these lots --
Chiles: To the east. So, yeah, you see like Lots 3, 4 and 5. Those -- those are being
combined to be one hotel.
Grace: Okay. All right. Thank you.
Lorcher: Madam Clerk, do we have anybody signed up for -- to testify?
Lomeli: Thank you, Madam Chair. We have Perry Coles.
Lorcher: Hi.
Coles: Good evening. Perry Coles. I represent East River Valley Street, LLC, and
Copper Canary Fine Jewelry. We are adjacent to this project.
Lorcher: Can I have your address, please?
Coles: 2590 North Eagle Road.
Lorcher: Okay. Thank you.
Coles: You are welcome. I would like to be able to get on the screen if we can -- or,
actually, it is on the screen. Thank you. Where we are located is -- you see Block 1,
where -- where Raising Cane's is going in you have a vacant lot below it and, then, just
on the other side of that road is where we are.
Lorcher: Okay.
Coles: We recently had our entrance closed on Eagle Road and our new entrance is
now a right-turn lane going -- going around the north part of our building. Okay? And,
then, it goes into our parking lot. If I can see -- see that again real quick.
Lorcher: We are going to --
Coles: I'm sorry. Oh. Okay. That's fine. Anyway, I will -- I will just go on real -- real
quick. What we are concerned with is we are concerned about the amount of traffic.
They are -- they are -- you are going to be turning right around their -- their development
into that backage road. That backage road connects pretty much to our parking lot and
I'm very familiar with Raising Cane's. I came from southern California. I had one in my
neighborhood. They are very successful. They are very busy. You know, I think it's
wonderful that they are a successful business, but they have people backed up in their
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drive throughs and onto the street and I -- they look to me where they have the feeling
to me like a Chick-fil-A. So, they are a very busy business and I know this is the first
time they are coming to Idaho. Most of the people I have talked to are not familiar with
them. I'm very familiar, because I lived in a neighborhood for years. When they came
in and I saw what happened. What I'm really worried about is I'm worried about the
backage road and all the cars coming around and the fact is they are going to -- these
cars are going to back up, maybe even up to Eagle Road and, then, once people get
smart they are going to -- they are going to come on the other side of -- which -- which
is the right turn lane around our building and they are going to come into that backage
road the other way. That backage road is not -- is not wide enough. The roads leading
into the right turn lanes are not wide enough for the amount of traffic that's going to go.
It's not just their business, but right behind them as -- as the developer mentioned, is
going to be a Wyndham hotel of over 120 or 30 units. So, that's all dumping on that
same road and, then, you have a 330 unit apartment complex dumping on that road
right behind the hotel spot and -- and, then, they have -- they have added a connection
next to -- just to the south of the new apartments going in and there is another
apartment complex right next to it and they have allowed access onto that same road,
too. Okay. And, then, you have an empty lot yet, which still isn't developed. You have
way too many commercial, you know, businesses and facilities going onto this area and
I'm -- what I'm really worried about is I'm very worried about us -- we only have one way
out now and that's right on to that -- those roads and so I'm worried about my
employees, I'm worried about my customers and you are just going to be free fall and
I'm worried about potential accidents, people getting hurt. There is just way too much
going on in that particular area and the roads need to be widened. Something needs to
happen. I'm not against the development by all means. I'm surrounded by empty lots
and they are developing around me and I'm okay with that. It's just what is being
proposed here is just, you know, it's just crazy what's going to happen there. There is
just too -- there is too many people, too many cars and too much developing on a small
-- a small backage road and the right turn lanes -- both right turn lanes aren't adequate
either for that amount of traffic.
Lorcher: All right. Thank you very much.
Coles: Okay. Thank you.
Lorcher: Madam Clerk?
Lomeli: Madam Chair, Robert Vann raised his hand online if he would like to speak.
Lorcher: Mr. Vann, please, state your name and address for the record? I see your
microphone has a line across it, so I don't think we can hear you. Well, I know we can't
hear you.
Vann: Can you hear me now?
Lorcher: Yes.
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Vann: Okay. I apologize for that. My name is Robert Vann. I go by R.V. and my
address is 6800 Bishop Road, Plano, Texas. 75024. Madam Chair and Commission, I
-- I appreciate you all's time and thank you very much for hearing our CUP tonight. I
had raised my hand earlier when Kelli was speaking with regard to the hours of
operation and I wanted to explain that a little bit. We asked for that and if -- obviously, if
our business doesn't demand that time we won't stay open until 3:30 in the morning. If
-- if the business shows it's 11:30, 12:00, 1:00 o'clock, yeah, we will -- we will close,
because there is, obviously, no reason for us to stay open. But what we -- we -- we ask
for that time, so that in the event -- you know, as opposed to asking for a -- let's just say
midnight, but, then, we find out, you know, at midnight we still have a demand, we can't
stay open past midnight. So, you know, we are not going to -- we are not going to -- we
are not going to stay open. There won't be loud music playing and if it's not -- we don't
-- we don't create an environment or a habitat for people just to come hang out just
because we are open. If -- if we need to close we will close. So, I just wanted to make
that clear. That's the reasoning for asking for those times. Those are our standard
times. But, again, if there is no demand we will not -- we will not stay open. So, I hope
that answers your question.
Lorcher: All right. Thank you very much. Madam Clerk?
Lomeli: Madam Chair, no one else has signed up.
Lorcher: Would the applicant -- oh, is there somebody in Chambers that would like to
speak? Will you come up to the microphone. Please state your name and -- we are
very formal here. So, please, state your name and address --
Hein: My name is Kristy Hein. I live at 3933 North Amberwood Avenue. Quick
comment to add on to the gentleman that owns a jewelry store and with a map already
up there I travel Eagle Road everyday home from work and I can tell you right now I
think it's a very poor location choice for this restaurant. I am, too, from California, very
familiar with this chain. Visited -- a big fan of it, so not anti the chain at all. Just think it's
a very poor location and I -- I feel it's going to be a huge safety risk. Being a frequent
traveler of this road I can tell you right now according to the map when you see the
jewelry store, which is on there and it's going to be adjacent to the proposed Raising
Cane's, the gentleman does have really valid concerns because that portion of Eagle
Road, as you are probably aware, it has the two lanes and it does have that third lane
right there on the far right that does go out. It is a right turn only lane that a lot of people
-- what they do is once they pass that East River Valley Road they rush through the
signal light and they try to bypass the traffic, even though they know it's going out and,
then, they try to cut into the traffic at the last minute. So, I would say if you are going to
propose -- or if you are going to approve that location or consider it -- and, again, it's not
going to be possible that it -- it wouldn't have to -- it -- it couldn't have access out to
Eagle Road, because that would be foolish, because it would be a right turn only into a
lane that's already going out. It's not a lane that anyone goes through. So, you already
have a lane that already creates traffic hazards as it is. It forces you to turn right into
the parking lot with Five Guys and Servpro. So, to me you are asking for additional
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accidents. You are asking for increased traffic. It's a -- to me it's -- it's a very
dangerous location for this particular type of development. I think there is a more
appropriate location for it. This is asking for a lot of trouble. It's going to create
additional traffic on Records Avenue, which is already 25 mile per hour one lane each
way. I -- I think it's going to cause a disaster and that's just my two cents on this.
Thank you.
Lorcher: All right. Thank you very much. Anybody else in Chambers would like to
testify? Please come up to the podium. Hi. Please state your name and address for
the record.
Vrba: I'm Jeff Vrba. I live at 3005 North LeBlanc Way in Meridian, Idaho.
Lorcher: Thank you.
Vrba: Our house is just basically west of that item going through there. I do drive that
road every day. I am all for Raising Cane's going in there. I know you guys probably
don't hear that enough in there, but, yes, I agree there might be some traffic issues, but
that -- we need to work with the Ada County Highway District to either block those lanes
off or something else going in there. I prefer that going in there than the hotel that they
were mentioning that's going in behind there with another 120 some cars that could be
possibly going through that area on a daily basis. Raising Cane's I -- is -- once again
it's limited. It's not going to be busy during major rush hours all the time. It's throughout
the entire day, so the traffic's not going to be as bad as the next item we are going to be
talking about, so I appreciate your time. Thank you, Madam Chair and Commissioners.
Lorcher: Thank you very much. Anybody else in Chambers have a comment? Please
come up to the podium. Hi. State your name and address for the record, please.
Stern: Sure. Doug Stern. 2793 North Centrepoint.
Lorcher: Okay.
Stern: 1, too, am not here for this particular, but I will -- I'm here for the debacle that's
coming after this. I worked for Jack-in-the-Box for 35 years before I moved here and
opened up our business. Anybody who thinks that a restaurant open until 3:30 in the
morning is not going to attract kids and be a hangout has not worked in the fast food
industry. So, I mean we were open 24 hours when I worked for them and that's all that
came in -- that finally ended, but the people who say nothing good happens after
midnight -- I mean if my grandson thought I was saying anything negative about Raising
Cane's he would never talk to me again, but -- and I'm all for it to be there, but I think
you should think about the hours.
Lorcher: Thank you. Anybody else in Chambers would like to speak? Would the
applicant like to come forward and address some of the concerns. Actually, comments I
suppose. There were many. Hi. Please state your name and address for the record.
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O'Reilly: Hello, Madam Chair and Commissioners. Michael O'Reilly with Kimley Horn.
My address is 1100 West Idaho Street, Boise, Idaho. 83702.
Lorcher: Thank you.
O'Reilly: I just wanted to speak quickly to address some of the traffic concerns that
were mentioned. So, a few items. There was a traffic study done with the Sessions
Parkway Subdivision. An overall traffic study. And it did contemplate a restaurant with
a drive through use and so that traffic study was done in coordination with ITD and the
city and, you know, they had to install the improvements that were required for that. So,
this use is very compatible with that traffic study, was already contemplated, which was
one of the reasons why the new right turn lane went in just north of our site and so it's --
it's something that's been contemplated. Also we are right by Eagle Road, which is, you
know, a main thoroughfare. It's where this use is intended to go, honestly. I mean it is
a well-trafficked road. I drive it every day. I live right by it, but it's -- it's the kind of -- of
area where this use is supposed to be, you know, and that's why it's zoned and -- and
allowed; right? So, I just wanted to point that out. Also Raising Cane's tries to do a very
good job with their reputation in the community. They try and come in and work well
with everyone. If needed they employ off-duty officers for traffic control and just trying
to -- to merge seamlessly there. So, I think Raising Cane's wants to see this operate
well as -- as much as the rest of us; right? They plan on doing more stores in Idaho and
don't want this to be a -- a -- a traffic debacle. So, just want to address some of those
concerns. And, then, also point out that our operating hours don't start until 9:30 in the
morning, which is after the peak hour. So, in one way it's not really affecting one of the
most travel times a day and so just want to point those items out and see if you guys
had any other questions.
Lorcher: All right. Thank you very much.
Grace: Madam Chair, can I ask a question?
Lorcher: Yes.
Grace: Michael, the comments about Raising Cane's being a busy restaurant to the
point that it -- it could look -- you know, it could have lots of backed up traffic in the drive
through and look like some other places I have seen. In your experience with your
other locations is that accurate?
O'Reilly: It's certainly a busy restaurant. I mean it's a successful restaurant. I think you
have heard that a lot of people are excited about it, including myself. But I think with
this site layout there is a lot of queuing allowed. We have the double lanes and the
emergency escape lane, as well as on-site queuing. So, we don't anticipate stacking
out into the shared drive, much less out toward Eagle.
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Grace: And -- and maybe this is what you are getting at, but do you take measures to
manage that traffic, like some restaurants have people -- employees walking out and
doing things. Do you take --
O'Reilly: Right. Yeah. During high use hours they will have the employees with the
tablets walking, moving traffic along very quickly and efficiently. You know, multiple
lanes open to do that to speed up the ordering. As I stated before, if needed they do
employ, like I said, off-duty officers who are used for traffic control, although we don't
anticipate that with this location. But, yes, they do try and move everyone through
efficiently and keep things from being clogged.
Grace: Okay. Thank you.
Lorcher: Have you had a conversation with the jewelry store next door to be able to
address some of his concerns?
O'Reilly: Unfortunately we haven't. We did have the neighborhood meeting and there
was no attendees, so we -- we weren't able to address it at that point, nor when we got
the staff report was there any comments in there that we saw, at least at the time when
we received it. Honestly, those concerns seem to be a little bit more of a -- a global
concern, you know, with -- with all of the -- with the development as a whole and not
necessarily a one parcel. You know, ITD closing that access is consistent with their
goal to reduce access points onto a major street like Eagle, which in the end is better for
-- for collisions, because you have fewer accesses, but it does put -- put more traffic
onto the accesses you have. That's not really a Cane's decision or something we are
involved with.
Lorcher: Okay. Commissioners, do you have any other questions for the applicant? All
right. Thank you very much.
O'Reilly: Thank you.
Lorcher: Can I get a motion to close the public hearing?
Smith: So moved.
Grace: Second.
Lorcher: It's been moved and seconded to close the public hearing for Raising Cane's.
All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. THREE ABSENT.
Starman: Madam Chair, I wonder if I could take just a moment. I think this might be
helpful for the Commission and perhaps for our audiences as well, the members of the
public, but I just want to take a moment to kind of frame the issues before the
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Commission. So, this is one of those projects -- number one, you are the decision
making body tonight, so you will make the decision as to whether to grant this CUP and
under what conditions, but it's also one of these projects that was -- has a lot of
entitlements in place already. So, it has a development agreement that allows certain
things to happen on this site. It has zoning in place that allows certain things to happen
on this site and so it has a plat that contemplates uses of this nature. So, this property
is well into the entitlement process. It's before you tonight because it -- this particular
applicant is looking for a drive through that's within 300 feet of another drive through,
therefore, our code says we need to go through a CUP process. By this point to make
sure we understood the context that this -- this site has been heavily entitled up to this
point in time. To some of the concerns you heard tonight, however, I would say that's
exactly what a CUP is for. If you have -- you know, if you foresee potential problems or
issues or constraints with the site, that's your prerogative as Commissioners is to place
conditions on this permit that says to make the site work well, you know, the site layout
or other conditions, that you may want to place to make sure it functions correctly, that's
all within your purview, but I primarily want to make the point that this site is largely
entitled today for uses just like this. The conditional use permit process is really to put
some -- some side boards on that to make sure it functions well and you can make
some tweaks to site designs and things of that nature, but it's not really a question of
whether, you know, the use of this nature goes in there or not, it's what conditions would
be placed around it to make sure it works well.
Lorcher: Thank you for the clarification. Where did we leave off? Oh, we are talking
about it. Commissioners, do we have any comments about Raising Cane's?
Sandoval: Madam Chair?
Lorcher: Commissioner Sandoval.
Sandoval: Is it too late to ask staff a question? I know I should have done that a little
earlier. May I?
Lorcher: Go ahead.
Sandoval: Two questions. One is the other drive through directly north or is it a
different one south of the proposed project?
Ritter: Can you see my cursor?
Sandoval: Yes.
Ritter: There is a Firehouse Sub right here.
Sandoval: Okay. Thank you. Madam Chair?
Lorcher: Commissioner Sandoval.
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Sandoval: So, from what I see there is a pretty good divide there and that would be the
only reason that we would be doing this CUP was that 300 feet. That's my
understanding at least. I do disagree a little bit with Commissioner Grace as far as the
hours and that is solely because I travel all the time and I wake up at 3:00 a.m. every
morning and I'm the only thing that's awake. So, as far as hours I'm much more flexible
to market conditions, especially when there is going to be a hotel directly abutting it or
adjacent to it. I think that's a pretty smart use, especially if you are traveling from out of
town and the only thing that's open is a gas station. You are probably going hungry that
night, as I have many times. So, overall, I -- I think we should approve it and I don't
think we really need to place any conditions on it. I'm open to hearing what the other
Commissioners have to say about it though.
Lorcher: Thank you.
Smith: Madam Chair?
Lorcher: Commissioner Smith.
Smith: Thank you. I -- I -- I agree pretty -- one to one with Commissioner Sandoval's
thoughts around the time -- timing especially. I think, you know, as someone who is
also a bit more of a night owl in -- in daily life, sometimes you are trying -- you realize
that 11:59 p.m. that you haven't eaten that day or you haven't eaten, you know, since
breakfast or something like that and it's nice for there to be some options and I think
there is -- given the time that a lot of other things close, I think it's -- it's -- it's -- there is a
potential, especially here a hotel and on -- on a major street, I think there is value to
kind of being willing to -- to kind of see how -- the results of this. I think Raising Cane's
-- I can -- I can confirm. I'm also someone who is originally from southern California, but
I can confirm what the applicant said of Raising Cane's properties have always been
well maintained, the ones that I have seen and I -- I haven't seen any of the kind of
deterioration or -- or lack of care that -- that might invite some more, you know,
gathering or -- or -- or some -- some seedy behavior or things like that and so I think if
there is -- if there is an applicant to kind of test the waters on this, the -- the type of
applicant like Raising Cane's is -- I think is -- is more in line with what I would expect to
be able to responsibly fit those -- those -- those needs from what I have seen in my --
my personal experience. So, it's not the end of the world if we want to set some
restrictions if that's where the majority lies, but I would be fine without those restrictions
on that.
Lorcher: I guess my only comments are -- this is a flagship store for this chain and so if
it goes poorly, then, that limits their marketability for the rest of the state. So, I have a
feeling that everything is going to be done very well and I'm sure you are going to be a
good neighbor and move things along. Eagle Road is a thoroughfare and it's designed
for businesses. ITD is asking you to do some mitigations, so as they connect with you
I'm sure you will be compatible to that. So, I'm in favor of it well. Do you have any
comments, Commissioner Grace?
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Grace: Madam Chair, just that I don't know if it's -- I just -- what I don't want to see is
what I see in other places right around Eagle Road, maybe a little bit further south, with
cars backing up forever. I -- I do -- I can empathize with the folks that are going to be
living and working in those streets -- not Eagle Road necessarily, but those streets that
are right around there, because if it's as busy as what I'm hearing, you got to find a
place to put those vehicles and -- but I also would say if you -- if-- if you -- if Eagle Road
is not the right place for this I don't know what is. This -- there is probably no other
better great place for this kind of activity. The hours I think will probably adjust
themselves. I'm not as concerned. But, you know, Doug's comments are well -- are
well taken about what goes on after midnight. But we are -- we got to grow up and we
got to -- you know, if -- if things need to be -- you know, as a city and as a community
and if things need to be open later that's fine. I do -- I am concerned about the -- the
traffic. I just don't know what you do to address it, other than telling people they just
can't wait in line, which I'm not prepared to do, so I -- overall I probably would not be
voting against this.
Lorcher: Okay. Well, I confirmed with our city attorney that I am allowed to give a
motion. So, after considering all staff, applicant and public testimony, I move to approve
File No. H-2024-0021 as presented in the staff report -- no, that's not right. File No. H-
2024-0006 as presented the staff report with no modifications.
Grace: Second.
Lorcher: It's been moved and seconded to approve Raising Cane's File 2024-0006 with
no modifications. All those in favor say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. THREE ABSENT.
Lorcher: Everybody who is in the Chambers I know that you have been waiting very
patiently and we appreciate that, but can we have a five minute break just to gather
ourselves for a moment and we will take the last application. Okay? Thanks.
(Recess: 8:25 p.m. to 8:31 p.m.)
8. Public Hearing for Centrepoint Apartments (H-2024-0019) by
Nicolette Womack, Kimley-Horn, located at 3030 N. Cajun Lane and
3100 N. Centrepoint Way, near the southwest corner of N. Eagle Rd.
and E. Ustick Rd.
A. Request Modified Development Agreement to amend the existing
Development Agreement (DA) (Inst. # 2022-079000) for the
purpose of updating the concept plan, building elevations and
certain DA provisions to increase the number of dwelling units from
215 to 295.
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B. Request: Conditional Use to construct a 295-unit multi-family
affordable apartment project consisting of five (5) four-story
structures.
C. Request: Alternative Compliance(s) to deviate for the parking lot
landscaping and multi-family common open space design
standards set forth in UDC 11-313-8C and 11-4-3-27C.
Lorcher: All right. Thank you for your patience. I appreciate it. All right. The final item
on the agenda is H-2024-0019 -- is a request for a modification to the development
agreement, conditional use permit, for multi-family housing and alternative compliance
for Centrepoint Apartments. We will start with the staff report.
Ritter: Well, good evening again. So, tonight we are here for, again, an alternative
compliance conditional use permit and modification to the development agreement for
Centrepoint Apartments. The site consists of 9.99 acres of land. It's zoned C-G and it's
located at 3100 Centrepoint Way. So, the modifications to the existing development
agreement and conditional use permit to facilitate the construction of a 279 unit multi-
family affordable apartment complex. This proposal strictly pertains to the residential
component of the approved development plan. The applicant is also requesting
alternative compliance to the open space and parking lot landscaping. So, for the
alternative compliance the applicant -- applicant is requesting a reduction in the
qualified open space as the applicant is deficient by 8,940 square feet. They are also
requesting alternative compliance for the removal of parking lot islands under the
covered parking internal to the parking lots. The applicant is requesting the following
modifications to the development agreement and CUP. They want to modify the CUP to
increase the building height to 45 feet, instead of limiting it to three stories. They want
to increase the number of units from 215 to 279, which is an increase of 64 additional
units. So, this site encompasses one parcel located south of East Ustick Road. The
parcel was part of a development agreement modification and conditional use permit
application in 2019 that removed the subject parcel from an existing development
agreement for the purpose of entering into a new development agreement with a new
conceptual plan and building elevations. So, the first request was for a new athletic club
and spa and indoor recreation facility, Villa Sports. The CUP approval for the indoor
recreation facility has since expired and the property was sold. The current CUP and
development agreement was approved to construct the mixed-use development
consistent of commercial space and a 215 unit multi-family development in lieu of an
athletics club slash spa and commercial building. The proposed CUP and DA
modification proposes a deed restricted affordable multi-family development with the
279 units. So, the submitted conceptual plan depicts five multi-family buildings with
internal access. The multi-family is split into three four story buildings on the larger area
of the site east of Centrepoint Way, one four story building west of Centrepoint Way and
one four story building on the east side of Cajun Lane. The submitted landscape plan
shows a 25 foot landscape buffer along the west and southern perimeters of the
property according to the specific use standards for multi-family development. Common
open space may not be counted toward the required minimum when it is adjacent to it --
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excuse me. The applicant has proposed a common open space here, but according to
our UDC common open space may not be counted towards the required minimum when
it is adjacent to arterials, unless approved through the CUP process. Therefore, the
proposed open space shown may not be allowed as qualified open space if the
Planning Commission and City Council do not approve it in its current location. This is
concerning, because at the Commission -- for the applicant it may be concerning,
because if the Commission does not approve the proposed site plan and open space
will further diminish when combined with the minimum open space standards and
revisions would likely be needed. So, the previously approved CUP and development
agreement modification -- again, it had a maximum of 215 units. It limited the building
height to three stories. It met the intent of the open space requirements. It provided the
following qualifying amenities. It had a clubhouse with a business lounge, plaza areas,
a swimming pool, a fitness facility, an outdoor kitchen, a dog run, a micropath system,
sports courts and a bicycle repair room. All of the proposed amenities, except for the
dog run, were located within the central open space area or part of the -- of the three
central buildings. So, this was a previous approved plan. So, all of your amenities were
located in this area, except for the dog run. The proposed amendment to the CUP and
development agreement, they are asking for 279 units. They are requesting four stories
and increasing the building height to 45 feet -- does not meet the open space
requirement, because it's deficient by 8,940 square feet. The applicant is asking for
alternative compliance for the qualified open space requirement stating that the site is
irregular, has a unique targeted demographic of an affordable housing community, has
significant indoor and outdoor passive and active amenities, and excellent connectivity
to public parks within walking distance. Although the project is located less than one
mile from Charles F. McDevitt Youth Sports Complex, Julius Kleiner Memorial Park,
Champion Park, the residents would have to cross either Ustick Road, a residential
arterial, or Eagle Road, a state highway, to assess them -- to access them. So, the
proposed following qualifying amenities that are being proposed is the clubhouse with
the fitness facility, a children's play structure, a dog park with a waste station, a shaded
picnic area with barbecue grills, tables, benches and landscaping shaded plaza
courtyard with activity lawn, a micropath system, sports court and a bicycle repair area.
The sports court and the dog park are located near Cajun Lane, so this is the sports
court and the dog park area here. Based on the analysis staff feels the applicant is
proposing too many units for the development to be compliant with the comprehensive
planning UDC requirements. Staff feels that the proposal to lose the parallel parking
along the north property line and relocate the open space away from Ustick Road, an
arterial, it would be a nice addition to the community. So, the applicant is proposing a
reduction of the 35 foot wide landscape buffer along Ustick Road, up to a 50 percent
reduction down to 17 and a half feet as allowed with the implementation of water
conserving designs. Staff has no objection to the applicant's request to provide water
conserving designs for the -- for the street buffer along Ustick Road. The applicant is
proposing alternative compliance to remove parking lot islands beneath the covered
parking areas within development. Instead the applicant plans to install solar carports,
which will serve as the green infrastructure amenity by providing an alternative power
source for development and its residence. The solar carports would also fulfill the
requirement for covered parking and help reduce the heat impact of the surface parking
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lot. So, according to the applicant the removal of the parking islands under the solar
carports will enhance solar panel efficiency by improving daylight captured and reducing
maintenance tasks, such as cleaning leaves and debris and replacing plants or trees.
Additionally, the solar carports are expected to offset utility costs for the residents. The
applicant also knows that despite the removal of these islands the overall landscape
buffer percentage does not decrease, as the buffers along the east side of Centrepoint
Way exceeds the city code requirements. All -- all uncovered parking will continue to
comply with the requirements of the parking lot islands. As far as landscape buffers
adjacent to the uses, as stated before there is a 25 foot landscape buffer along here
and along here for the residential portion of the -- that's adjacent to the neighborhood to
the south and to the west and the applicant is also providing an eight foot masonry wall
that -- along the west side of the property. So, staff finds the proposed landscape buffer
adjacent to the resident neighborhood meets the requirement of the UDC and requires a
detail of the masonry wall to be submitted for review with their certificate of zoning
compliance application. So, we will go back to the open space. So, the proposed
project will include 104,345 square feet of qualified open space, which is 8,940 square
feet less than required. Again, the applicant is asking for alternative compliance for the
qualified open space requirements, state -- again stating that the site is irregular, has a
unique targeted demographic of affordable housing, has significant indoor and outdoor
path, active amenities and excellent housing community. Connectivity to public parks
within walking distance. So, the project also again includes an extensive network of
pedestrian oriented pathways, including the outer loop around the entire project with
internal connections to various amenities for the project allowing for free movement of
pedestrians throughout the site. So, there are pathways being proposed around the
site. The Comprehensive Plan goal is for developments to plan for safe, attractive and
well maintained neighborhoods that have ample open space and generous amenities
that provide varied lifestyle choices. The Comprehensive Plan's goal emphasizes the
importance of safe, attractive and well maintained neighborhoods, again, with ample
open space amenities. Reducing these elements regardless of the parcel shape or
targeted demographic contradicts the plan standards. Furthermore, the applicant is
increasing the density of the site beyond what was previously approved, understanding
they are also reducing the open space. Adequate open space and amenities are
fundamental to maintaining the vibrancy and functionality of a neighborhood. Adhering
to the comprehensive plan ensures development contributes positively to the
community and upholds the quality of life for its residents. It's important to recognize
that proximity to parks and sports complexes does not fully address the need for
accessible and usable open space within neighborhoods. Even though the project is
less than a mile from the parks that were mentioned earlier, residents would still face
challenges of crossing major arterial roads to reach these amenities. Pedestrians and
bicycle crossings of these major roadways adversely affect signal performance and
signal timing and is one of the stated reasons for mixed-use areas analysis to not
include areas bisected by major roadways. This can be a significant barrier particularly
for families with young children, elderly residents, or those without convenient
transportation options. And this is the area that we talked about earlier that would
require approval through this conditional use permit. They would need to -- if they were
allowed to keep this here they would need to berm it, provide at least a four foot berm
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along here, but as presented it's not approved by our UDC. As for parking, all street
parking for the multi-family development is required to be provided per the table in our
UDC based on the number of bedroom units. The applicant is proposing 279 units,
consisting of 139 one bedroom units, 105 two bedroom units and 35 three bedroom
units. In addition, one guest space for every ten units is required. Based on the total
number of units and their bedroom count distribution, a minimum of 552 parking spaces,
with a minimum of 279 of these spaces to be covered in a garage or by a carport. In
addition to meeting the minimum off-street parking the current development agreement
Council was not comfortable with the parking areas west of Centrepoint Way and
expressed a desire for all the buildings to be self parked within their respective areas of
the site. The previous application provided documents taking show -- documentation
showing the buildings to be self-parked within their respective areas of the site.
Although the buildings within the proposed development are not self-parked within their
prospective areas of the -- as shown in the table, the proposal meets the parking
requirement in the UDC. The applicant -- based on the parking provided by the
applicant this area to the east -- part of the parking is on the parcel to the east that is the
commercial parking. The applicant will either need to enter into a shared agreement --
shared parking agreement with the property to the east of Building C or do a property
boundary adjustment to have all the parking stalls on their property, just so that there is
no issue if this parcel sells -- right now it's under common ownership and we know that
the applicant for the affordable housing is looking at purchasing this and so at this point
it will be under different ownership, so we will need some type of shared parking
agreement or a property boundary line adjustment for this proposal. Conceptual
building elevations were submitted for this proposed multi-family building. The applicant
is requesting a design exception of the reduced articulation of the building facade and
the omission of the masonry along the base of the building. This is an administrative
decision to be determined by the director. Final design will be required to comply with
the design standards of the architectural manual and recorded agreement unless
otherwise waived by the community director through a design exception request. The
applicant is requesting a modification to the DA to increase the building height from
three stories to 45 feet. Staff feels in order to obtain cohesiveness with the surrounding
areas the building height should remain as shown on the proposed concept plan. So,
basically, what we are saying is that the building should not be higher than 41 feet as
being proposed. Again, the applicant is requesting a modification to the existing
development agreement again to include the following changes. They are updating
language and proposed concept plans. Increasing the building height to 45 feet and
removing the limitation of three stories. They are increasing the number of units from
215 to 279, which -- again which is an increase of 279 units. So, the city did receive
written testimony. We had seven written testimony in opposition to the development.
So, these are just pictures of the site. This is the site. This is looking west. I can't see
my own screen. This is from Eagle Road looking south. This is from Centrepoint
looking east. This is from Ustick Road looking south. And this is from the drive aisle
that connects to Cajun Lane looking east. So, with the conditions that we have outlined
in the staff report staff recommends approval of this project and at this time I will stand
for any questions that City Council -- that the Commission may have.
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Lorcher: Would the applicant like to come forward? Hi. Please state your name and
address for the record.
Huber: I am Chase Huber. 37532 Southeast Fury Street, Snoqualmie, Washington.
Womack: Nicolette Womack. 1100 West Idaho Street, Boise, Idaho. 83702.
Lorcher: Thank you.
Huber: Powerpoint pulled up? First of all, thank you to the Commissioners and
everyone in attendance tonight for allowing us to present this project to you.
Centrepoint Apartments is a proposed 279 unit affordable housing community located at
the corner of Eagle and Ustick Road. Over the course of tonight's presentation we will
cover details regarding the development proposal. Next slide. First introduction to
Devco. Devco Residential Group is a vertically integrated affordable housing developer
based in Bellevue, Washington. Devco has been developing affordable housing in the
state of Washington for the better part of the last 30 years and is the largest affordable
housing owner in the state of Washington, with a portfolio of over 10,000 units. Three
years ago Devco began its expansion outside of Washington and our first new
construction project was recently delivered in Boise. The Arbor is 112 unit affordable
housing community off of Franklin Road. That opened in August. Here is some photos.
This slide describes our project at a high level. The project will be deed restricted,
offering income restricted units at varying AMI levels, with an average income of 60
percent of the area median income. It will offer units dedicated to families with one, two
and three bedrooms and will contain green components for energy and water
conservation, including solar carports, energy efficient compliances and water wise
landscaping and fixtures. As we detailed on the prior slide, this project will be deed
restricted, meaning that the affordable housing restrictions will be recorded with the land
and will be in place for a period of 40 years. The project is income restricted, meaning
that our rents are based on the -- on the area median income for Ada county and
tenants will need to income qualify to live within the community. Below is a chart that
details the difference between our proposed maximum rents and the comparable rents
of two projects that are close neighbors, The Village Apartments and the Regency at
River Valley. As you can see -- go back. As you can see our project grants are
significantly lower than the competing market rents in the area, giving our future
residents the opportunity to live in this great area without the significant rent burden that
similar projects would require. Finally, the income restricted nature of our project will
require residents to income qualify for the project. We expect our project to offer units --
the income band for families making between 35,000 and 60,000 per year. When we
identify a project we typically hire a third-party consultant to provide a market study to
help us better understand the affordable housing need in any given market. The
information provided on this slide has been pulled by a market study conducted by
Novogradac in March of 2024 and is focused on the primary market area displayed in
the photograph. The primary market area looks at data within a four mile radius of our
proposed site. The market study identified that there are approximately 3300 income
eligible households in that primary market area. This statistic describes a number of
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residents in this community who could qualify for the income restricted requirements of
the project. Despite such a large number of income qualified individuals in the area,
there are only 96 existing affordable housing units available to them, with only 76 being
planned. This leaves only 172 units available for the 3,300 individuals who would
qualify to live in these units. This leaves a significant amount of demand for income
restricted units in this area, which is further supported by a 1.1 vacancy rate for these
projects. Finally, as we detailed in the previous slide, the market study identified a gap
between the affordable housing rents and the market rents for comparable properties to
be between 38 and 40 percent. This means that individuals must pay on average 38 to
40 percent higher rent due to the lack of affordable housing options available or live
further outside of town to find housing that is affordable. Along with our application we
have provided, we have been reaching out to our stakeholders within the community to
better understand the demands for the project. Attached with our application are
various letters of support -- I will not read them here today -- from housing stakeholders
in the community. Nicolette will take you through the rest of the presentation.
Womack: Chair, Commissioners, thank you for your time tonight. So, shown here you
can see a vicinity map of the site. We are adjacent Ustick and Eagle Roadways. We
are nearby the popular Trader Joe's, Kohl's and Hobby Lobby. We also have great
proximity to jobs, parks, schools and shopping and that creates economic mobility in
people's lifestyles. It's important we cover the process to get here today. So, on this
site in 2019 Villa Sport had a development agreement and CUP that was for an athletic
club and retail. In 2022 there was a DA MOD and CUP for multi-family and drive
through. Now, we understand that there is a lot of fears of several permit modifications
on any one project. We do need to clarify, though, that the developer on this site is
changing hands in this case and so this would be moving from a market rate apartment
community into an affordable housing apartment community. So, Devco, which is under
contract for the site, began their work back in April with a pre-app and neighborhood
meeting. They submitted in May. We are here tonight. We are hoping to go to Council
in October and the impact to the long-term construction timeline is in February of 2025,
we would have civil and building plan approvals and in spring-summer 2025 we are
hoping to start construction. There are specific nuances for affordable housing projects.
These projects are tightly tied to federal loans and the timelines of those loans and so
it's very important for affordable housing projects to remain moving in a timely manner.
We want to make sure we address all the comments or concerns tonight, but we would
just emphasize that we be allowed to continue to coordinate with staff to work out any
outstanding issues, so that we can remain on the upcoming hearing dates. It became
obvious as we worked through the site that there were a lot of competing opportunities
and constraints that we were needing to resolve in the site plan. First we are adjacent
in-fill. We are an in-fill parcel adjacent, established, varied residential and commercial
subdivisions. We also have an established roadway network and the Milk Lateral,
which is undergrounded with an easement, bisects the site into three sections with
irregular shapes, where adjacent two high capacity roadways that do lack pedestrian
networks and we are excited to fix some of that. Also since the prior approvals the code
has changed and there is an increase -- increased requirement in open space and
parking, so we are attempting to meet the new standards. Shown here is an overview
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of our site. Again we are at ten -- about ten acres. We are currently proposing 279
units. We have a similar equal split between one bedroom apartments and the other
half being two and three bedroom apartments. We are at 27.9 dwelling units per acre,
proposing 552 spaces, which is close to about two -- two parking spaces per unit and,
then, again, covered parking 291 spaces. So, again, compared to the private -- prior
approval the parking requirements have increased and we are providing more parking
spaces per unit. There is lots of benefits of the proposed site plan you have today. We
are providing affordable three bedroom family units within an area greatly needing it and
giving them the closest access to those amenity areas. We are proposing traffic
calming to ensure safe pedestrian crossings. We are positioning largest buildings and
units away from the neighboring residential in the south and west property line. We are
also providing, again, more parking spaces per unit than the previous project and we
are meeting -- meeting all those parking requirements without any off-shared -- off-site
shared parking agreements with commercial, which is common in a project like this. So,
again, we need that DA modification and CUP modification. That's to modify the
conceptual plan for residential uses. It's to change from the approved 215 mixed-use
development that had studio one and two-bedroom apartments to 279 unit multi-family
affordable apartment development with one, two and three bedroom apartments. If you
are trying to keep track of all the numbers we are showing, we are requesting an
addition of 64 units and we are providing an addition of 110 parking stalls. We do need
to change how height is defined on the project. So, previously, two and three story
buildings were specified. We need to change that to a max height of 45 feet, which is
the typical range of the three story building and we can walk you through that. There is
no change to the existing commercial uses and we are requesting the DA be updated to
reflect these changes. There is two alternative compliance requests and I will walk you
through those. Alternative compliance number one is removal of those landscape
islands under covered parking and that's so we can put solar on top of the carports as
shown outlined in red here. By not having those landscaping islands just in these
covered carport areas we are preserving solar panel efficiency and ensuring that we
can capture more daylight, because we have less interference from the tree canopies.
We reduce maintenance requirements and the need to remove leaf debris regularly.
This proposal provides equal or superior benefits to the community by, again, relieving
the visual and heat island effect of asphalt in the parking lots and our studies show that
decreases the heat in that area by about 18 degrees underneath the solar carports. We
would also be providing more traffic calming in the parking lots and improving
pedestrian safety and, again, this does reduce utility costs for our future residents.
Alternative compliance number two in the request is the reduction of qualified open
space. We believe we are providing equal or superior benefit, because, again, we are
providing that unique targeted demographic of an affordable housing community. We
are providing 3.3 acres of qualified open space with amenities and the -- there is
another 43,000 of non-qualified open space with pedestrian pathways that I will walk
you through. The proposal doubles the required amenities, while providing private open
space. So, shown here, just to lay it all out for you guys, you can see in the dark green
is the qualified open space and, then, the lighter green there is nonqualified open
space. The nonqualified open space is only not qualified because it's less than 20 feet
in width. So, shown here on this chart we are required 2.6 acres of -- of qualified open
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space. We are providing 2.4 acres of qualified open space, including almost an acre of
nonqualified open space, which brings our total to 3.3 acres of open space. We are
proposing extra amenities. Those are shown here. The code requires four amenities.
We are providing nine amenities. That's double the requirements. And what's unique to
that is in many affordable housing projects the first thing to go to make sure we can
provide the rents that we are showing is usually the amenities. Here we are showing
fabulous amenities for this area, including this -- these great walking trails that surround
the site. Here are some example amenity from other Devco projects. It includes a
clubhouse with community space and leasing office, fitness facilities, dog park with
waste station, two common grassy areas, shaded plaza and courtyard, picnic area,
barbecue grills, benches, walking trails, play structure, sports court and bicycle parking.
Shown here is a side-by-side comparison of the previously approved elevations on the
left and the proposed elevations on the right. So, you can see that, yes, we go from
three to four stories, but because we are using a flat roof, instead of a pitched roof, and
also our floor plates are slightly different dimensions, we remain at the same height as
previously approved. So, we need that to specify remaining underneath 45 feet and this
is similar to Regents at River Valley and Village Apartments in the surrounding area
and it's below the height exception that was granted for the storage off of Eagle
recently, which was 50 feet. Here are those building elevations. We will go through the
design review process. Just to keep on time here is a graphic we can pull up later if you
are looking for any dimensions from the neighbors. Here are some cross-sections.
Very quickly it shows our building structures. It shows the surface parking lots and walls
and landscaping and the expansive space between us and the neighbors. There are
several revisions along the way. Staff has been great to work through lots of different
ideas and versions of this. Obviously, on an affordable housing project unit count is
critical to making sure we can actually provide units at the rates we are showing tonight.
The initial proposal was for 300 units. Now, we have reduced that by 21 units. We
have added 118 parking stalls on site. We removed an original alternative compliance
request for reducing the balcony square footages. We have increased the number of
amenities. We have expanded the open space. We have reduced the deficit of open
space requirements. We originally were short 27,000. We are now only short about
8,000. We have improved our multi-use pathway landscaping. We have reduced our
building heights along the way. We have reduced our number of driveways on
Centrepoint Way and we are adding safe pedestrian connections. We are grateful for
working with staff on this. The DA conditions -- several of the conditions in the staff
report we are able to agree to outright. The ones we need to bring specific attention to
is the development agreement condition D and staff condition 1.1.D. We proposed
language in the updated development agreement to just clarify the separation of the
Ustick Road improvements from the commercial road improvements along Eagle Road.
So, that needs to be separated. The latest landscaping plan needs to be put into the
record and, then, we worked with staff to talk about a condition to address this open
space concern along Ustick Road. We are happy to work through it and come up with
yet another site plan. We are only on number 30 or something. But we just need that
condition modified, so that the wording in red will allow us to continue to work through
that issue. Again we will stand for your recommendation of approval. Again, timing is
critical on this, so, please, allow us to work with staff where we can or condition where
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we can to keep moving and we will stand for any questions. Several people are here
tonight and can help with those questions as well.
Lorcher: Thank you very much. Commissioners, are there any questions for staff at
this time or should we take public testimony?
Sandoval: Madam Chair?
Lorcher: Commissioner Sandoval.
Sandoval: So, for the applicant you are talking about alternative compliance for solar,
specifically the islands -- you are talking about affordable housing. Have you done any
studies on what it's going to cost to maintain and replace all those panels in the long
term? Is it worth it?
Womack: Chair, Commissioners, I will bring Devco up. They have done a solar on
several of their sites and had a lot of success.
Huber: This is Chase Huber. 37532 Southeast Fury Street, Snoqualmie, Washington.
Yes, you are correct, there is ongoing maintenance surrounding the solar panels.
That's been built into our analysis. For the most part they are pretty resilient. I think
they lose like less than a percent of efficiency every year for -- after like the fifth year
they are in operation, so they don't wear down overtime as -- as much as you might
believe. They are pretty resilient.
Lorcher: Thank you. All right. Thank you very much. Madam Clerk, do we -- who is
first to testify?
Lomeli: Thank you, Madam Chair. We have a Vince Skinner online.
Lorcher: All right. Mr. Skinner, if you can state your name and address for the record.
Skinner: Can you hear me okay?
Lorcher: Yes, I can.
Skinner: Excellent. Yeah. Vince Skinner. 3023 North Centrepoint Way. Okay.
Lorcher: All right.
Skinner: So, I'm a native Idahoan. I have been living in the area since 2003. 1 have
seen this community grow and prosper and the homeowners of the Jackson Square
neighborhood parts of the entire group that is here, we have moved here to -- due to the
quality of the neighborhood, the location, family, community. My children play at the
grass locations that the applicant mentioned earlier. I -- I do want to get a -- a specific
example and definition of what affordable housing means. This has come across
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substantial amount of times in the previous testimony that was given and this is a quite
nebulous and relative term and I would like to have some specifics around proposed
costs, actual costs, because we can all speculate many things, but reality is a different
thing. Tonight I'm going to give some emotional arguments and there are also some
technical data that I will present as well. So, again, on the perception of whether it's low
income housing, affordable housing, what's the difference between that and housing in
the surrounding neighborhood? So, that's one question. I have numerous questions
that I -- I would like answered. The negative impacts that I see to this -- one is you have
a significant concentration of people in an existing nonconcentrated area. This leads to
concentrated poverty and many times low income housing concentrates into crime as
well. One other aspect there is strains on local resources. This poses a monolith
residential enclave, which would be an overburden to our already overburdened
schools, overburdening the local healthcare, emergency services and additional public
infrastructure and I would like to have specifics on how that will be addressed. Also with
more residents and rents, et cetera, there is going to be an increased tax burden due to
those strains that I mentioned before and thus that would reduce the income of not only
the existing residents, but others that could be otherwise invested. I mentioned crime
earlier. Studies have shown that concentrated low income housing can sometimes
correlate with higher crime rates, particularly if those housing areas are not managed
accurately, well, and they also lack any type of social support services. I mentioned
earlier with the decreased property values, whether they be perceived or potential and
that is market and in the end with many of these low income housing developments they
do decrease the values of not only the businesses around them, but also the residents
and this makes it also --
Lorcher: Mr. Skinner, I need you to wrap up, please.
Skinner: Okay. This makes it much more difficult to sell houses. From a technical
perspective you are going from 118 dwellings to 413. That's an increase of 252 percent
increase in that single location, not even referring to Leslie Way, which is next door.
also Jackson Square is currently 22 acres, which comes down to five dwellings per
acre. This new expansion would be 29 units per acre, which is a 490 percent increase
in the concentration of the dwellings.
Lorcher: Okay.
Skinner: So --
Lorcher: Your time is up, so any final thoughts?
Skinner: Yeah. I have significant concerns about this and my children, the safety of
traffic and there is a lot of additional questions that I have and I would like specific data
on how those are going to be -- those concerns are going to be addressed.
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Lorcher: Okay. We will ask the applicant to address some of those. Thank you very
much. Madam Clerk.
Skinner: Thank you.
Lomeli: Thank you, Madam Chair. I have a Nick Stoppello that signed up online. I
don't see that name. I don't know if he is here in the audience.
Lorcher: We do have quite a few people in Chambers tonight. The -- the rule for
Planning and Zoning is three minutes per person, unless you are addressing a larger
group, like a home owners association, then, they are allowed ten. For the ability of
time, please, be respectful of the time and I appreciate that. So, if you can state your
name and address for the record that would be great.
Stoppello: Nick Stoppello. 2305 Northwest 15th in Meridian.
Lorcher: Thank you.
Stoppello: I will keep this brief, because I feel like I'm probably persona non grata in this
group, but I am for the project.
Lorcher: Okay.
Stoppello: The -- I just want to start by giving some specific data on income and
housing specific to our market here. So, the U.S. Census Bureau says that Meridian
median household income is 90,000 dollars. A reasonable estimate on an approved
mortgage loan at that income, assuming that they have good credit and little to no other
consumer debt, amounts to about 350,000 dollars from a mortgage standpoint and as of
this evening there are four listings on the MLS that are 350,000 or less in our market,
two of which are manufactured homes and those require special financing. So, of the
two remaining one is 981 square feet and the other is 616 square feet. I don't think
anybody here wants to live in that small of a dwelling to begin with and certainly not for
350,000 dollars. So, from my perspective we have got two options. We can either
increase the median wage for those working in our community, which would ultimately
increase the cost of goods and services rendered in our community and impact the end
user and consumer or we can try to decrease the cost of housing to give those
individuals the opportunity and a place to live in our community and contribute to our
local economy. The affordable housing project, such as the one being discussed, is --
it's not a bullet to the problem, but it is a step in the right direction, whether it be small or
large, in giving housing to people that don't otherwise qualify for anything that is
available to them in the market. I -- I have been here for 33 years. I was born in St.
Luke's in Meridian. I lived at Mallard Landing on Linder. I live off Linder currently. And
I'm moving just south of this project at the northwest corner of Fairview and Eagle here
shortly. So, I understand that Meridian is like the town of Mayberry. It's an awesome
place to be and live and grow up and have a family, of which I'm growing now and
establishing businesses, but we really need to make a conscious decision to be
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proactive in addressing the challenges that growth present to our community, rather
than burying our heads in the sand and wishing that this place was what it was 20 years
ago. I -- we are not ostriches. I don't see any birds in the room. So, let's understand
that things are going to change, challenges come along with that and work with the
developer and the people that want to give opportunities to those that otherwise couldn't
have them.
Lorcher: Thank you very much. Appreciate it. What's next?
Lomeli: Madam Chair, Steve Grant.
Grant: My name is Steve Grant. I live at 1534 North Leslie Way in Meridian.
Lorcher: Thank you.
Grant: Madam Chair, Commissioners, when Mike Mafia of MTM Meridian proposed his
project in November of '22 the City Council advised him to reduce the project from four
floors to three in the main complex and improve the construction of two-story units on
the west side of Centrepoint. Going from three to four stories increases the density of
30 percent, which I believe is an unacceptable level for this parcel due to traffic and
parking issues. I'm sure that the density is driven by economics. The developer's ability
to be profitable shouldn't be the catalyst for approving this project at the density
requested. If I recall correctly, the main reason the Council required the project to be
limited to three stories was a traffic congestion high density housing would create. As
you know, Centrepoint at Ustick has only two lanes, one in each direction. Even with
three stories traffic loads will require widening the intersection to add a dedicated left
turn lane to access Ustick going west. During peak hours traffic will stack from the light
at Ustick all the way back into the complex parking lot. Residents living on the west
side of Centrepoint who attempt to exit their parking area with a left turn during peak
hours will face congestion from parked cars exiting the main campus. Frustrated drivers
will avoid the congestion by traveling through Jackson Square Subdivision, which will
increase safety concerns for Jackson Square residents. I understand that the ACHD
has approved widening Centrepoint, but I'm not sure if a left turn lane has been
contemplated there. If this project is approved as proposed the adjacent neighborhoods
to the south and west will experience peak hour traffic congestion and overflow parking
problems. Motorists seek the path of least resistance. If it is quicker to travel through
the adjacent neighborhood drivers will, as I live on Leslie Way and motorists continue to
cut through our street to avoid congestion at Centrepoint and Eagle Road. With the
high cost of renting it is not unusual for leaseholders to sublease apartments to friends
and relatives. If an apartment has an allotted two parking spaces and another person
with a car moves in, the third car would not have a dedicated space and would be
forced to park on neighborhood streets. This overcrowding will create conflict and
safety concerns with neighboring homeowners. I would ask the Commission to do the
following: Require the applicant to widen Centrepoint at Ustick to allow for a dedicated
left turn westbound on Ustick and I guess it has to be the same thing on the north side.
Require the applicant to limit the construction of the main campus to three stories and
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two stories for units west of Centrepoint and ensure that the masonry wall along the
western boundary, which is part of the existing development agreement, be extended
along the same sight line at the same height with the same materials. Traffic
congestion has been a concern for this parcel ever since hearings were conducted
when the nightclub was being proposed. I understand the city's interest in the
construction of affordable housing. I don't believe this parcel is well suited for the
proposed density. Anyway, thank you for your time.
Lorcher: Anyone next?
Lomeli: Madam Chair, Brenda Jones.
Lorcher: Hi.
Jones: Hi. Good evening. Brenda Jones. 659 West Blue Downs Street in Meridian,
Idaho. 83642.
Lorcher: Thank you.
Jones: You bet. I'm actually here this evening on behalf of St. Luke's and I would like
to voice our support for the Centrepoint Apartment project. This housing development
offers high quality, affordable, workforce housing units, which greatly are needed in our
community. Our 23 -- our 2023 community health needs assessment identified safe,
stable housing as a significant need and because stable housing impacts one's health,
housing has become an identified impact area for our health system and we are trying
to address that. St. Luke's has a history of supporting housing solutions and currently
partners with many organizations across our footprint addressing the significant needs
of affordable housing and workforce housing. We recognize the importance of having
safe, affordable and well-located housing options for all of our community members. As
Idaho's largest private employer housing has become an integral part of our stable
employment. In order for our workforce and the community to maintain healthy and
robust, we must have adequate housing. The Centrepoint Apartment project would
meet several of these needs of our community members and providing the one, two and
three bedroom units, all designed to accommodate residents and workforce incomes
raging anywhere from 30 percent up to 70 percent, which is the area median income,
which the other gentleman was speaking to. In addition the location of the development
really is great, because it accesses retail, grocery stores, jobs and excellent schools
here in the West Ada School District. A project such as this we feel like would really
provide a great opportunity for all of our Meridian residents. Thank you for your time.
Lorcher: Thank you very much. Madam Clerk?
Lomeli: Somebody has raised their hand online. Would you like for me to allow them to
talk? I'm not sure what their name is.
Lorcher: Has everybody who signed up to speak has -- has spoken?
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Lomeli: No.
Lorcher: So, let's go in order.
Lomeli: So, we have Kristy Hein.
Hein: Good evening again.
Lorcher: Yes. Please -- please repeat it. Your name and address.
Hein: Madam Chair, my name is Kristy Hein. I live at 3933 North Amberwood Avenue
in Meridian.
Lorcher: Thank you.
Hein: So, I am speaking in opposition of this project. Once again I think we can all
agree that housing is an issue. I think we are all in agreement that affordable housing is
a good thing. Again, I'm just not in favor of this particular location for a lot of reasons.
With this particular project, with the proposed amount of units, we are looking at
potentially two vehicles at least per unit. That's a total of 560 additional vehicles on this
stretch of road. Where I currently live it's directly on the north side of Centrepoint off of
the -- Eagle Road currently handles around 60,000 vehicles per day. It sees
approximately 400 crashes per year as you know per the Mayor's report in August. We
currently own the home that's at North Amberwood Avenue. Again, off of Centrepoint
Drive. The section of Ustick Road between Eagle and Locust Grove is only two lanes in
each direction and Centrepoint Drive already experiences significant congestion. Every
morning we find ourselves struck -- or excuse me -- stuck for two to three light cycles
just to turn onto West Ustick and start our commute each morning. My parents, along
with their neighbors, live in the Village Bungalows, which is an active 55 and over
community just west of the proposed development along West Ustick Road. The
average age of the residents there is around 75 to 80 years old. Many of them still drive
enjoying their independence. The convenient access to Trader Joe's, Albertson's, local
banks and doctor's offices is a significant part of what drew them to the Village
Bungalows. However, they are now deeply concerned about the impact that this large
proposed development would have on an already congested stretch of Ustick Road.
The increased traffic would not only hinder their daily routines, but could also jeopardize
their ability to safely and easily access the essential services they rely upon. This
project risks compromising the very qualities that made the area desirable for these
older residents in the first place. As far as emergency services, the nearest fire station
is located at 3545 North Locust Grove Road, which is near the intersection of Locust
Grove and Ustick. I recently spoke with the representative of the local fire department
here in Meridian who expressed serious concerns about the increase -- the increasing
approval of these low rise developments, such as the one we are discussing tonight.
He highlighted the strain that these places -- or that these developments place on
emergency response capabilities. For instance, he noted that if a fire were to break out
on a development such as this with the proposed 45 feet in height that the developer is
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proposing, he would need at least 43 firefighters to respond effectively. Currently he
would only have 27 personnel available. His concern is that he would not be able to
efficiently respond to a fire and emergency. Those are my concerns and I really wish
that you and the Commissioners would consider this as a -- it's a safety concern and I
really appreciate your time.
Lorcher: Thank you very much.
Hein: Thank you.
Lomeli: Madam Chair, the next is Landon Johnson.
Lorcher: Mr. Johnson.
Johnson: Good evening, Chair, Members of the Commission. My name is Landon
Johnson. I live at 2940 North Centrepoint Way, Meridian, Idaho. 83646. So, I am in
the Jackson Square Subdivision on Centrepoint just south of this proposed
development. Get straight to the point. Well, I urge you guys to deny this, the permit
and the development agreement modification, 295, now 279 -- I mean even 215 the
existing apparently agreed upon is too much for this neighborhood. Where Jackson
Square is a little enclave that is -- has limited ingress-egress on Ustick and Eagle. Now,
there is three spots you can make a right. You can go out on Eagle in two spots -- or
excuse me -- Ustick and Eagle one directly, but the left turn, which was brought up by
somebody earlier, coming out Centrepoint, you had, you know, 200 units, 300 units, it is
going to be a significant negative impact. This is congestion. Safety hazard. If they are
three bedrooms, they are targeting families, which is great to provide. Everybody loves
affordable housing and we need it. Not here. I have -- I'm a planner by training and
profession. I know a little about this stuff and it's great, I love smart growth. TOD.
There is no bus line here, so everybody is going to have one car at least, two cars,
probably more and they will spill in -- into our development, which is quiet right now,
except for those people trying to bypass Eagle and Ustick intersection and it's just going
to get worse. There -- of course, I mean I think there was under representation in the
staff report, as well as in the developer stuff as consideration to the surrounding
community existing environment and I don't think enough consideration was given to
that. I don't like the idea of being stuck in my development because there are 200, 300
people living in there or more -- you know, that's a lot more, yeah, one, two and three
bedroom. I don't like it. To me that's not freedom at all. You know, restricting
physically my access. I go left a lot. Right now the intersection is great, because there
is no development. Everybody expects this vacant land to be developed, but, you
know, not for these barracks style big -- in my opinion not very appealing -- visually
appealing, you know, affordable rental apartments. I would rather something lower.
Definitely not four stories. Three stories, if they are allowed that, that's fine. I
understand they have entitlements and we will be done. Should it move forward, you
know, I would like to see things in the city providing bus transit, so we can make in-fill
projects for affordable housing like this move forward. Again, I don't much care for the
reduction in -- or excuse me -- the open space issue. That's not a huge amount, but I
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appreciate that providing open space, especially a dog park, I wish that would be open
to our community, too. I know that they won't do it, but, you know, when I spoke with
them in the neighborhood meeting they had is off the open space, but they were under
the impression, as far as I -- there was a bus line going on Ustick. No. I have tried
doing a walkable thing. It is not a walkable neighborhood and not designed -- that was
not the intent. It was single family. It was zoned commercial, mixed-use. All right?
There is strong stores, you know, roadside and, then, housing in the back.
Lorcher: I need to -- I need to have you wrap up. Thank you.
Johnson: I appreciate it. There are mitigation things you can do, but I think a redesign,
rather than these big rectangles that are four stories as proposed. It's just not right for
the area and it's a stark contrast to existing community that's around there. Thank you.
Lorcher: Thank you. Madam Clerk?
Lomeli: Madam Chair, Janet Bailey.
Bailey: Hello. Janet Bailey. 2925 North Centrepoint Way.
Lorcher: Thank you.
Bailey: Thank you. I just have a few comments on this. I -- I have lived in my house 12
years, so I have watched the neighborhood evolve. This housing apartment complex in
the front -- I think it's going to be disastrous. Absolutely. I -- I ask you, please, deny the
whole thing. There is too many apartments, too high, too tall, we -- I started our
neighborhood watch 12 years ago, so I have seen things come through. The traffic is
crazy through there. It's a raceway down Centrepoint. With all those added cars and all
the parking, it will spill in the Centrepoint and it's to our expense to maintain our
neighborhood. The HOA -- we had graffiti on this walking path behind our homes.
Okay. Well, that was taken care of, because it was our neighborhood and our expense.
So, anything to spill it over from these apartments it's going to be at our cost. We have
to maintain the pathway. We maintain all of that in there. I have seen the increase in
traffic. Centrepoint to Ustick, it's two lights to get out. There have been numerous
accidents there. I don't know if that's in your report as well, but there is always
accidents out there and the traffic is at least 50 cars deep to try to get out there in the
peak driving, so I have one concern and it's a question for you guys, why -- or why is it
allowed for a Seattle developer to come into our Meridian and tell us what we need?
Because at the neighborhood meeting I asked questions and the developer had kept
telling me this is what Meridian needs. I disagree. I disagree. He's bringing his Seattle
ideas into our home, our Meridian. This is our home. I don't believe his ideas fit our
neighborhood to put it in our front yard. I think it's going to be disastrous. I think it's
going to cause a chain reaction of events that -- and there is a lot of people talking that I
have spoken to that are talking this could possibly force us to sell our homes. I don't
want to do that. That was our investment. This is our retirement place, you know. This
is where we decided to retire and, you know, until the next step. But it's not turning out
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to be that way and anytime these developers come in with big promises, it doesn't
happen. When Mayor De Weerd had expressed her distaste for the apartments on
occasion, she even said somebody dropped the ball on those, because when I moved
in they had told us they would be 26 to 28, like-minded housing like ours along there
and, then, they put those -- whatever they are called over there, so -- and just to correct
the developer, the parks are not within walking distance. Settlers Park is two miles
down to the west. The McDevitt Sports Place is on McMillan and Eagle and Champion
Park Subdivision -- you have to go into their subdivision to get to their park. There is
nothing around.
Lorcher: Okay. Thank you.
Bailey: Thank you.
Lorcher: All right. Madam Clerk.
Lomeli: Madam Chair, Jeffrey Miller.
Lorcher: Hi.
Miller: Hi. Good evening. Jeffrey Miller. 2487 East Foster Lane.
Lorcher: Thank you.
Miller: I happen to be a resident of Village Bungalows, so I --
Lorcher: Okay.
Miller: -- I know what they are talking about and there -- there is a need for low income
housing. That's not an issue here. The issue is actually the density that's going into
this development. The traffic on Ustick in the morning is backed up from Eagle Road
all the way back to Verado, the second development behind me, half mile away and it's
-- it's horrendous. I mean you can't walk -- you can't cross the lights. You have -- there
is no crossing -- mention was made of access to parks. There is no Ustick. You have
to walk a half a mile up to the nearest crosswalk just to cross to get to Champion Park.
So, it's -- it's -- it's more of an issue than this. It's the density that bothers us and it's the
traffic that's going to be the death of everybody. It's 60,000 cars a day on Eagle Road.
It's backed up. You can't make the turn, you can't get out. When they are stuck at the
left-hand turn on Eagle, if you want to go north on Eagle, you come out of Centrepoint,
no room. Where are you going to go? So, you are waiting cycle after cycle. It's just
going to be a mess. I just adamantly hope that you -- you guys use your infinite wisdom
and deny this program. Thank you.
Lorcher: Thank you. Madam Clerk.
Lomeli: Madam Chair, Barry Holsinger.
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Lorcher: All right. We can come back to him.
Lomeli: Okay. Doug Stern.
Stern: Hello again.
Lorcher: Hello.
Stern: Doug Stern. 2793 North Centrepoint. I cannot think of a worse use of land to an
existing neighborhood in this entire city than what's being proposed to that corner. The
homes that were built there -- I have lived there for 12 years. These are custom built
homes in this neighborhood and the traffic and the parking right now is a mess, because
if you go up Bourbon Street east of my street, the existing tenants are parking on both
sides of the street now. You can get one car through at a time. I can't imagine what it
would be like with adding 600 more drivers in every direction from this monstrosity that
they are trying to put in. I drove up -- I drove up and down once I saw the signs that
they were going to do this, I drove up and down Records and Ustick and Eagle trying to
figure out why here, why would they do this? Have they done this to another existing
established neighborhood and I can't find a single example. If you go up Records and
see all the new apartments, they are fine. They are on the right -- or they are on the
west side of the street. The existing neighborhoods are on the east side of the street.
They don't -- the existing -- the apartment dwellers don't have to go into the existing
neighborhoods like they do in this instant. I -- I agree with affordable housing and I
know everybody says the same thing, not in my neighborhood, not in my neighborhood,
but in this situation it doesn't fit. I never even knew that they approved the 211 and I
have been there for 11 -- like I said, 11, 12 years. I don't know how that even got
approved, yet some of the other things I think we can -- we can come together and
come up with a much better use for that land than adding this -- whatever this is that
they are doing. It's going to exactly ruin our neighborhood.
Lorcher: Thank you. Let's see if Barry got back.
Lomeli: Madam Chair, Barry Holsinger.
Lorcher: Hi. If you can state your name and address for the record, please.
Holsinger: My name is Barry Holsinger. I live at 2836 North Centrepoint Way, Meridian.
I just want to add one simple other concern. The -- we are part of the Nampa Irrigation
District and we have been fighting with them and -- and keeping our lawns green this
year we have just barely had enough water out of the canal and now they are going to
propose to put green space all over that -- all over that apartment complex. There isn't
enough water for it. Thank you.
Lorcher: Thank you.
Lomeli: Madam Chair, Jared Schofield.
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Lorcher: Good evening.
Schofield: Jared Schofield. 1566 North Leslie Way, Meridian. 84664 or -- one of the
primary concerns of high density affordable housing is the impact on property values.
Studies have indicated that property situated near high density developments may
experience a decline in value due to various factors, including increased traffic
congestion, noise levels and perceived decrease in the neighborhood appeal. These
three elements will directly correlate to both the value and desirability of the immediate
voting properties with secondary effects to the neighboring property in a cascading
effect. The traffic will continue to be extreme and with a massive increase of vehicles
that will go into this structure -- or into this development, as there is no other point of
entry to access westbound Ustick, Centrepoint will be overly burdened at the
intersection to Ustick. This, in turn, will add more hostile drivers to mix with current
normal excessive traffic. Traffic studies are typically based on the number of vehicles
per day, but not necessarily account for peak traffic hours. Several accidents have
been personally witnessed by myself with two incidents nearly involving myself and
family. One of the incidents involved an irate individual who could not wait until my
family was in -- across the crosswalk -- walk and proceeded to maneuver around a car
in front of them at a high rate of speed. This vehicle I was close enough that I could
actually reach back and have touched it. This vehicle was traveling from the area of the
apartments located on Centrepoint behind Kohl's, which is currently being expanded.
An additional accident occurred while I was waiting to exit off of Leslie Way. An
inattentive driver rear-ended the vehicle traveling eastbound on Ustick directly in front of
my vehicle. Vehicular accidents within the immediate vicinity of this complex have now
become an almost daily event. The immediate vicinity around already has a significant
volume of high density housing. So, all the apartments located further to the east,
further to the north on -- on Centrepoint and one thing that should be noted is that those
of us that live directly in relationship to this will have the highest impact on. It does not
affect those that live elsewhere in -- within the city. It does not affect those that are
going to be moving elsewhere in the city. This is very much in our backyard. This is
something that impacts us directly. It impacts our families, it impacts our lives, it
impacts my children who play in my backyard. It impacts every detail of everything we
do every day. The previous CUP should have never been approved as it is. I wish we
could go back and take several steps back and start over from ground zero. One of the
other things I want to bring up is when you also have the -- oh, a couple things. The --
the proposal they presented on drawing A-05 it indicates the comparison to a two story
home from their building, which the two-story home should be -- indicate my home. My
home is a single story ranch home last I checked. So, it makes me wonder how many
other items have received an artistic interpretation of -- with no basis in reality?
Community safety is a big issue. Recently we had an individual on their vacant property
that was videoing my daughter in my backyard the police had to be called about. You
put apartments -- four story apartments, two story apartments, whatever, in my
backyard where they have the privacy of windows staring into my backyard and my
daughters, that -- that is a complete disregard for my daughters and their safety. I
appreciate what you guys do and I appreciate you allowing me the time to speak.
Thank you.
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Lorcher: Thank you very much.
Lomeli: Madam Chair, no one else has indicated to testify.
Lorcher: There was one gentleman online. Are they still there? If you are still online
and you wanted to speak, please, raise your hand.
Uretta: Yes, I'm online.
Lorcher: Okay. Go ahead. State your name and address for the record and, then, we
will take the Chamber's next.
Uretta: Abisay Uretta. 3022 North Centrepoint Way. My house would be one of the
nearest to this development on one side of the street and I just want to say that I fully
support the rest of my neighbors that are in a position to this and one thing that I would
like the Council to keep in mind is the only people in support of -- of this current
proposal are the people that will not be living with the results. Us here in our
neighborhood are the ones that will be deeply impacted are the ones opposing. I have
not heard one person in support of this development that will have to live with the -- with
the results of this development. So, I would like you to keep that in mind as you look to
perform your duties for-- for the best of our city today. Thank you.
Lorcher: Thank you. All right. Is there anybody in Chambers? You had your hand up
first.
Dickinson: Ruth Dickinson. I live at 2771 North Centrepoint.
Lorcher: Okay.
Dickinson: So, I think it's kind of been covered as far as Centrepoint and the difficulty
getting off of Centrepoint and Ustick, but one of the things I noticed in reviewing all the
maps is that the other street that goes out, which is just escaped my mind, sorry, but on
the east side of the apartment complex they are showing that street going out and
currently serves the commercial that's on the corner of Eagle and Ustick.
Lorcher: Cajun.
Dickinson: Cajun Lane. Thank you.
Lorcher: Okay.
Dickinson: So, what I'm seeing there, at least in the maps I was looking at today, is
there is actually parking planned head in off of Cajun Lane, which means those people
would have to back out into Cajun Lane to try to exit. So, to me that's really bad
planning, because, one, it's going to be really, really crowded. Half -- I assume half of
the exits are destined to go out that direction one way or another into an -- into a turn
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lane, which, by the way, you can't pull out into if there is any traffic at all, so those
people have no -- no other option, but to go back into the other neighborhood, around
the traffic circle and try to get out on Eagle Road that way or to follow down all the way
to Centrepoint and try to go out on a street that really isn't wide enough for a left turn
lane. So, I haven't heard that or seen that exactly addressed, how they are going to
deal with that, but it's just a bad traffic plan and somebody mentioned emergency
vehicles. I think they would have a tough time getting in and out of the neighborhood,
not just to service us, the people that have already lived there for years, but if anybody
should need help or assistance in those apartments. So, just a bad plan. The other
thing I noticed is in our -- one of the previous presentations is you have a certain color
designated that shows where you are going to put the chicken place and all up in the
corner and that same color designation covers that space that goes around the corner
on Ustick. It was originally designed to be commercial. If you had commercial there will
be traffic no matter what, but at least it would be a minimal amount of traffic that
probably that area couldn't handle -- would have to handle and so I would just say,
please, deny this and let's do something better for our community than this project.
Thank you.
Lorcher: Thank you, ma'am.
Gammon: I'm Carrie Gammon 3055 North Centrepoint Way, Meridian, Idaho. 83646.
Lorcher: Thank you.
Gammon: I just want to point out that I have lived here for about 12 or 13 years and I
have never seen a development idea that has scared me so much. I totally agree with
affordable housing. I myself am back in school again. I know what it's like to struggle,
but putting something like that in that small of a space is not going to work. I am
actually the first house here that was actually in some of the videos and I will be that
person that will be looking at a four story building and have all those eyes back on me
and anything and anyone that I have in my house. I also don't like the idea of looking at
a concrete jungle when I can see the mountains for now, but that's not even the most
important thing. I think is it worth putting something like this when it's going to
jeopardize other people's safety. The traffic I know has been brought up, but I cannot
even back out of my driveway. I have to sit there and watch cars go by and race by. It
is a speedway and I would ask anyone that is even considering putting this here,
especially if you don't live there, please, just come there and stand there for five minutes
and see what the traffic is like. The people -- they don't even use the right side of the
road. Today they were speeding around the divider trying to get there first. When you
try to turn out right onto Ustick or left onto Ustick you do sit there for multiple, multiple
lights. I leave an hour early to get to school as it is and that is because the traffic is that
bad. If you are talking about putting this many places in such a small area it's going to
be insanely congested and dangerous for all the small kids, the elderly people and
everyone in between that lives in my neighborhood and I really think that they need to
consider doing something a lot different, because this just isn't going to work and it's
going to be dangerous and I am scared to live there and I have never heard so many
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neighbors that, you know, maybe couldn't come out or were afraid to come out tonight
that don't want to live there because of what's going in. I don't mind something going in,
but not this.
Lorcher: Thank you.
Gammon: Thank you.
Lorcher: Anybody else in Chambers? Sir.
Vrba: Madam Chair and committee -- or Commissioners, my name is Jeff Vrba. I live
at 3005 North LeBlanc Way in Meridian, Idaho. 83646.
Lorcher: Thank you.
Vrba: I am the vice-president of the Jackson Square Homeowners Association. I
wanted to allow my homeowners to actually talk to you, so you can actually see their
concerns. Some of the main concerns that we also have with the way the development
is set up -- if you look at the entrances in the Centrepoint Way from their individuals
there that's in the middle of the block, they are going to be backed up there. The other
one -- they got another entrance down on Cajun Way or Cajun Lane down there. Cajun
Lane, half of Picard, which is just south of there -- down there and Bourbon Street are
all private roads. These have to be maintained by the homeowners associations. If
something happens and the road gets damaged I am having to pay for that. Our
homeowners are having to pay for that. By having these extra cars like we talked about
-- you heard a lot of homeowners trying to get onto Ustick, there will be cars going down
through Cajun Way south around the roundabout and out on East Bourbon Street.
That's taken up private roads there that we were told had to be private. The next
concern we have is we have a fence that's running along the entire length of that road
there, a wooden fence that's up. We have been maintaining that for over 14 years now
that we were required to put up and we were required to put up the brick wall on the
other side by the Planning and Zoning and the city when the original developer for that
whole area went in. With this fence going -- with our wooden fence there and possibility
of damage on it, our homeowners association is going to be responsible for it. If you
guys would like to put this in and let it go up why don't we have a brick wall -- an eight
foot wall along that whole entire Picard Way there, too, to prevent the individuals
damaging the fence that belongs to our properties that our homeowners aren't going to
be accounted for. The other thing I'm concerned with is the elevation. I know in the
past we have -- the city's talked about elevation of the buildings in the area. I can travel
up and down Ustick and look. I do not see any apartment complexes that have the flat
rooftops on Ustick. They all have the elevation. They have the peak. They are three
stories tall right around the other park that's a little bit further down. That's where my
concern is at. We do not want four stories there. The original plat was the two buildings
that were closest to the homes were going to be two stories. The other ones were
going to be three stories to match -- or close to the existing areas there. The other thing
we had problems with is when they are talking 500 plus cars through that area there,
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they will be coming through the subdivision. There is no problem with that. That's going
to be tied up and we are going to be stuck with that. Centrepoint Way is only two lanes,
two and a half lanes if you really get up at the intersection there. You might be able to
get a third car around. The other concern is -- I don't know if they have taken an effect
where the Milk Lateral actually runs, because that's already buried under the ground
and if I'm not mistaken it's going to run between -- underneath two of their buildings.
So, either they are going to have to move that around, reposition it. Some of the maps I
have seen had it routed wrong, but I know right where it runs. So, there are going to be
issues with that. You take away people's water further downstream you are going to
have a lot more problems here in Idaho with that. So, overall, like you said, you heard
from a lot of our homeowners here how much we are concerned with the way this is bad
with the extra houses in here. I have actually gone through with the previous one plat --
I was in here protesting against that, too. We were against it at that time. I didn't have
as many homeowners. Here the city said last time with one of the other developers in
there, but we don't have homeowners here, so it must not be -- they must not really be
concerned about it. So, we called into action our homeowners so you could actually
hear from them and also get the a-mails and letters mailed in from them, too. So, it's
just not me as the vice-president of the association talking about it. My main concern is
the traffic. Traffic on Eagle Road -- they -- they keep saying that's the sixth or fifth
busiest intersection in all of Idaho. Do we need to add another group of cars through
there? Granted it's not going to be all day long, but between 6:00 a.m. to 9:00 a.m.
peak traffic, people going to work, taking kids to school, evenings coming in. Eagle
Road is backed up already trying to make that left turn going from -- if you are heading
north on Eagle Road trying to take that left turn onto Ustick. Sometimes it's backed up
and it's causing people trying to, like they said, cut through subdivisions, turn wrong
down Ustick trying to cut across lanes and everything else like that. So, I plead with you
guys to take that into consideration, our concerns. I know that you got a lot weighing on
you right now and that and a lot of decisions to be made. I appreciate your time and
everything you do for our great City of Meridian. I have lived in my home for over nine
years now. I moved into there and when I first moved in they said it was going to be
general retail out there. I didn't have problems with general retail going in, even with the
noise that would be possibly caused by deliveries at night, forklift driving around, I would
-- when I moved into my house I was expecting that. I wasn't expecting a three -- two,
three, four story apartment complex going in. Thank you for your time.
Lorcher: Thank you. Anybody else in Chambers would like to speak? Ma'am.
E.Gammon: I'm Elizabeth Gammon. 3055 North Centrepoint Way, Meridian.
Lorcher: Thank you.
E.Gammon: And that house right there and -- and I wish it was on here. It's right here
by the -- where the one is coming up. It's right next to it -- completely next to it and it's
actually two -- four if it's built up four. There is two of them higher than the house and
everyone can look into the house, can look into the yard and even the yard next door
might be a problem, too. And, then, on the other side that's not even in our area, but it's
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on the other side of the fence, there are two homes there at the end. The numbers are
1566 and 1598 and they can look into the yards. They have children. They are big
yards and there will be a problem there and it might all -- with four of them being built
there is going to be five houses around there that are going to have a problem. This
one at 3055 is the very worst one and then -- so, you know that and people have talked
about all the traffic and there is a tremendous amount of traffic and they are correct
about it. There is a little bit more that they haven't really thought about, but over there at
Kohl's people that go in there and have -- you know, go to the stores and that, when
they come out they can't go to Eagle, so they come down and they come into
Centrepoint and come around and turn around and that and, then, coming down that
street that belongs to us, people come down there, there is a stop sign there, four out of
five do not park, they just keep going. So, sometimes when I'm at the house and trying
to get out I have to watch all the people coming down, the people coming there and
sometimes I'm just sitting in the driveway and I will see at least five cars coming down
there and, then, some coming the other way. So, people come from Dutch Brothers
and all those places there, they come down that way, too, and also the people that are
going to be living at the -- the places when they try to come out they are going to have
tremendous cars coming each way. They are going to have a problem coming out and I
think -- and, then, people come in way down from South Centrepoint, it turns a little bit
and they can't see all the stuff coming, so it's dangerous to them. I actually think that
because of all of this and all the traffic and all the people there, that there are going to
be deaths and injuries and hits many times and so I think you should really think about
everything that's going on here.
Lorcher: Okay. Thank you very much.
E.Gammon: We have a problem.
Lorcher: Thank you. Anybody else in Chambers would like to speak? All right. Can I
get a motion to close the public hearing -- oh, wait. No, I can't do that. I would like the
applicant to come back up. Sorry. Almost.
Womack: Chair, Commissioners, thank you for your time tonight and thank you for all
the great feedback from the neighbors. We are excited to talk through some of these
items. Regarding affordable housings, I will turn over the time to Chase in just a
second. Going to address a few things. And, then, I'm also going to turn the time over
to Brandon to talk through traffic. With the discussion on the differences between this
project and the neighbors, just wanted to pull up a visual. So, you can see here from
the previous plan to this plan, the building in the -- Building D in the -- I don't know if my
mouse is showing up. Can you guys see that? Building D in the southwest corner, we
actually have less units and they are further away from the western property line. We
are still closest of all the adjacent units, 45 feet from the south. A lot of that has to do
with the Milk Lateral being underground in this northwest corner, so we aren't able to
move the building any further north. But, again, shown here you can see that our
buildings are generally ranging between a hundred and -- sorry -- at the lowest end 45
feet and at the highest end almost two hundred feet from the neighbors and here you
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can see how that plays out. I do hear the comment about the two-story homes. I'm
happy to check that and if we need to switch that to a one story home in this graphic
totally fine. I think you all can imagine a one story versus a four story just fine. Again,
this project is requested in order to modify the permit to allow for the affordable housing
units and the rents that are associated with that. Regarding the western boundary wall
that was required in the previous approval, we are going to complete that boundary wall
on the western side and that will provide further transition. Regarding the building
heights to the adjacent neighbors, there is several ways we can continue to mitigate this
further. Some of that typically includes modifications to windows on the upper stories to
make sure that they have less of an impact on the neighbors, changes to the balconies
on those upper stories and, then, we already have significant landscaping along the
permanent property lines. With that I will turn the time over to Chase to talk about
affordable housing and, then, Brandon to talk about traffic.
Huber: Yeah. I think the -- the basis for, you know, what we believe this project could
be is, you know, equal opportunity. We -- we really like -- well, we feel like this is a very
excellent location for our project, because of the proximity to everything this community
loves. We envision that our residents have the same opportunity to be close to Trader
Joe's, to Kohl's, to hospitals, to the good schools, to the parks, to everything that kind of
has been discussed tonight and that all these people love so dearly. We want to give
an opportunity for people a little bit less fortunate to have exposure to all of that. We
understand this is a very busy area, it's a very commercial area and we will certainly be
adding to that, but it gives our residents a lot of economic opportunity to be closer to
jobs, closer to good schools and not push to the outskirts of town where there is more
land that's generally cheaper. This is an in-fill site that gives a lot of economic
opportunity to tenants that really need it. So, we feel very strongly about that and I'm
happy to answer any questions you might have.
Womack: Quickly I wanted to add on the affordable housing component, when there is
the nebulous term affordable thrown around in these types of hearings, they are not
usually talking about a deed restricted product and Chase can talk through the nuances
of that loan as well.
Huber: Sure. Yeah. This is, as I mentioned earlier -- we will go back to this slide. This
is deed restricted, income restricted, which means there is a certain rent we can charge.
It is based on the area median income. Tenants have to income qualify. This is not
studio apartments. This is not micro apartments. This is rent restricted housing
dedicated for individuals making between a certain income level. So, hopefully, that
helps expand on the affordable housing component.
McDougald: Brandon McDougald with Kimley-Horn, 1100 West Idaho Street, Boise,
Idaho. Wanted to just give a little bit of a general history about the traffic on this
particular site. There was a traffic impact study that was completed as part of the Villa
Sport proposal and ACHD reviewed, accepted and provided conditions of approval that
needs to be made as part of the traffic that was generated for that particular project.
Those mitigation measures have been completed on Eagle Road for the traffic that was
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going to be generated for Villa Sport. This -- this project will actually reduce the traffic
quite significantly than what Villa Sport was proposing. So, there is going to be
approximately 1,400 fewer daily trips as a result of the -- the multi-family use versus the
Villa Sport use, 73 fewer weekday a.m. peak trips and 158 fewer weekday p.m. peak
hour trips. So, a reduction -- pretty substantial reduction from what was originally
approved by ACHD and mitigation measures required to be done on Ustick Road. A
couple of other things that I would like to just note. Heard a lot of comments with
regards to speeding along Centrepoint Way and -- and concerns with pedestrian
crossings. Obviously, ACHD controls Centrepoint Way, but we have identified -- we
want something there to help control the speed. We have identified speed tables. If
ACHD won't accept speed tables, we would look at bulb outs with -- which kind of
restricts the pavement width in that particular area, which slows down traffic, in addition
to providing protection for pedestrians and cyclists and, then, finally, we meet the
requirements of the parking for what is being proposed here. So, a lot of talk about
parking being spilled out onto the streets. We are complying with what's -- what's
identified in city code for parking.
Womack: I just want to bring it home. It looks like we have three minutes. So, one of
the comments was about Cajun Lane and the parking in that area. We are doing our
best to make sure that we are self-parking between the different areas of the building,
but we do, obviously, have some space where we could pivot that -- that parking around
elsewhere if needs be. Lastly we just need to reiterate again with affordable housing
there are really tight timelines to get those federal loans, so we do need to keep moving
in the process. We want to make sure that we are taking all the comments into
consideration and doing the best we can to find the site plan that would work best for
everyone, so that Devco could reasonably develop an affordable housing product on
this. So, please, let us know of any conditions or items of concern and we will make
sure we do our best to address that before City Council. Otherwise, we will stand for
any questions.
Lorcher: Okay. Thank you. Commissioners, do you have any questions for the -- any
other questions for the applicant before we close the public hearing?
Smith: Madam Chair?
Lorcher: Commissioner Smith.
Smith: Can we go back to slide 21, please.
Womack: Can you tell me what's on that? I can't see slide numbers.
Smith: It is the distances to the abutting properties.
Lorcher: One more.
Womack: There you go.
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Smith: So -- okay. So, it looks like this -- the shortest distance is 45 feet. Can we go to
the next slide, please. What I saw inside of the staff report what we see here -- it looks
like the distance in this visualization is 185 feet. Did you guys create any visualizations
of what that -- that -- what this relationship between this four story building and this two-
story -- or one story home would look like at 45 feet apart?
Womack: Chair, Commissioners, we don't have it directly in this view. In our backup
slides, in case you need any extra info, we do show the elevation of that building on that
corner. So, you can see the north-south elevation that is what that side of the building
would look like at the moment. We need to go through the design review process and,
then, on the landscape plans from an aerial view you can see what landscaping is
included in that area.
Smith: Okay. Thank you. And, then, another question that I do have is regarding the
qualified open space. If you -- I guess the question is what would it take -- not counting
the nonqualified open space, what would you assume -- and I'm not that setting -- ask
for anything to be set in stone, but what would the likely outcomes be or what would be
necessary -- the next measures to be -- to meet the qualified open space, not counting
any of the nonqualified?
Womack: Chair, Commissioners -- team, correct me if I'm wrong and feel free to hop on
up if you wanted to add anything, but my understanding is meeting the qualified open
space would be severely restrictive, because we need to also meet the parking
requirements which are now also larger and so we would likely be looking at a loss of
units and at the same time -- I'm sorry, I need to clarify -- that we are only -- only
providing additional amenities in order to support the alternative compliance request.
So, if we are not able to get the alternative compliance requests we need to verify,
because we are losing -- losing units if we also have to remove amenities.
Smith: Okay. Thank you.
Womack: Thank you.
Grace: Madam Chair and -- Nicolette; right?
Womack: Uh-huh.
Grace: Can you just confirm what -- maybe what Brandon said? So, ACHD -- ACHD
did a traffic study when it was -- when it was proposed to be Villa Sport and they did a
traffic study with respect to what you are proposing and the traffic actually is reduced
based on this proposal.
McDougald: Yeah. Just a clarification there. So, ACHD didn't prepare that -- the traffic
study. Another consulting firm prepared a traffic impact study when Villa Sport went
through the entitlement process with the city here. So, that initial TIS was reviewed by
ACHD, intercepted by ACHD, there was mitigation measures identified within that,
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which have been completed thus far on -- on Eagle Road. A memo was drafted that
identified what the reduction in -- in trips would be based on a multi-family use versus
the commercial Villa Sport use and those numbers that I identified was the reduction
based on our unit count proposed at this point in time.
Grace: And the traffic studies that these different organizations complete, are they -- is
there some standard by which you can compare apples to apples? They are not doing
-- there is not different types of studies; right?
McDougald: Absolutely. I mean ACHD has a pretty specific way that they want the TIS
studies completed and, then, there is ITE manuals that identify the traffic that is
generated based on particular uses. So, it's -- it's pretty specific black and white.
Grace: So, just an editorial on my part. We don't control the roads. We -- we can
consider the impact that a project will have on the roads, but, you know, unfortunately,
we often get a lot of testimony and comments about the roads and the effects on the
roads and we don't control -- we -- we -- we are not ITD or, you know, the -- the highway
district, but we can consider the effects on it, so -- thank you for that.
Lorcher: Can I get a motion to close the public hearing? Thank you.
Smith: Madam Chair, I -- I do have one additional question --
Lorcher: Okay.
Smith: -- before that. Sorry. Just as we go into deliberation, for the applicant I know
that timelines are -- are an important factor here. It seems like there are some
questions and so depending on the outcome of this deliberation, what does -- what are
the next steps look like if this gets continued and/or denied?
Womack: Chair, Commissioners, I will pull the timeline up. Chase, could you elaborate
further on that? Here is an overview of the future processes we are hoping to meet and
he can talk more.
McDougald: Yeah. I think -- we don't own this land, we are under contract to purchase
this land under fairly tight timelines. If there was a continuance we would have to figure
out a way to figure that out. If it was denied this project would probably revert back to
the original approved plan for a market rate project and we would go look elsewhere. Is
-- does that answer your question?
Smith: Yes. Thank you.
Lorcher: Commissioners, anything else? Okay. Now I think we are good. Can I get a
motion to close the public hearing.
Smith: So moved.
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Grace: Second.
Lorcher: It has been moved and seconded to close the public hearing. All those in
favor say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. THREE ABSENT.
Sandoval: Madam Chair?
Lorcher: Commissioner Sandoval.
Sandoval: Quick question for Kurt. Are we the recommending body on all three items
on -- are we the approving body for any of these? For the CUP maybe?
Starman: Thank you, Madam Chair Commissioner Sandoval. So, you are a
recommending body to the City Council. Technically per the city's code you are not --
you don't make an official recommendation relative to a request to modify a DA. That
really comes from the director of the department, the community development director,
but the reality is it's difficult for the Commission or for anybody to separate those items,
so it wouldn't -- it wouldn't be unusual for you to make comments relative to the
proposal as a whole, including the proposed modified development agreement, but,
technically, that's not within your purview. The other items before you are, with the
exception of alternative compliance, but, yeah, really, the items before you are all -- you
are able to act upon and make a recommendation to the City Council. I -- I would
advise, because of the complexity of the project before you and how all the pieces fit
together, I think the best course of action would to -- would be to consider the package
-- or the application as a whole and make a recommendation based upon that.
Sandoval: Thank you.
Lorcher: Want to start?
Grace: Sure. You know, these are as hard as they get. They just are. And there is
competing demands and I -- you know, it's easy for me to sit up here and -- and -- and,
you know, try to be -- demonstrate wisdom and all -- and all the rest when I don't live
there and it's -- it's -- it's hard. Everybody supports affordable housing, but solutions are
tough to come by and I have heard that tonight, you know, lots of folks say they are not
against it, they are just -- maybe not there. Where do we locate them, then, is -- is the
question. I did hear a couple comments that I don't think were intended to be the way
they came out, but I just want to say that, you know, characterizations about maybe
poverty and crime are -- are tough as well, because I feel like these are our -- these are
our kids, these are our neighbors that are trying to find places to live. People with
degrees, people who work for government and they don't make a lot of money and so I
-- I understand that -- that where you -- where most of you in the room live and why you
bought there and those kinds of things, but I hope we all recognize that piece of it, too,
that a lot of good people live in these -- in these -- in these places -- in these multi-
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family. We need affordable housing in the -- in the city. We -- we do. In the valley.
There is no doubt about that. I'm not as concerned maybe about the -- the requested
alternatives. I don't think that's what's driving the concern here tonight, whether there is
trees that are going to block the solar, you know, those are -- those are secondary
issues to me anyway. The open space is related a little bit to one concern I have and
that is I don't like the density. I -- I just -- it's tough. If -- and I'm glad that Commissioner
Sandoval asked the question of -- of Kurt, because if -- personally, if I can parse some
of this stuff out that's the one piece that I don't think fits. If we are a group of citizens
sitting up here looking at this through the lens of citizens and the effect that it has, it's a
tough fit where it is. It is. And looking at it through that lens and -- and not the -- not the
economic portion and the affordable portion, it's a tough -- it's a tough fit there. So, I
would be interested to see what my fellow commissioners would say. I understand the
timelines and the applicants not looking for any sort of delays on this, but I -- what else
goes there? I -- I understand some people have recommended certain things, but, you
know, the housing problem is real and I'm not sure what we do about it when we can't
find places to put these projects. So, those are my thoughts at the moment.
Lorcher: Thank you.
Smith: Madam Chair?
Lorcher: Commissioner Smith.
Smith: I think -- I think I'm pretty well on this, Commissioner Grace. I -- I just -- this is
also -- this is something that's been kind of an area of study of mine, so at the risk of
getting on a soapbox a little bit, studies show, generally speaking, that there is not really
a correlation between the development of affordable housing and crime rates. A lot of --
a lot of us tend to get the toggle chain backwards and we think affordable housing
means crime. The reality is that affordable housing is generally built as a solution in
poorer, higher crime rate areas, and so I really want to drive home two things. One, that
I -- I hope when we think about affordable housing we are charitable and we are
neighborly as Meridian has been to -- to my family, as Meridian I hope to be to -- to my
children and any other people who -- who move here. I also want to emphasize that
because of -- of the -- the things that I have -- I have read and the -- and the -- the
research that I have done in a -- in a past life, in a policy life, I support affordable
housing very strongly and I generally -- I -- I'm not even opposed to it in this location, but
the lack of transition -- transition spaces, a four story, you know, complex next to 45 feet
from -- from an existing house I can't support that. I -- I -- I genuinely can't. I -- I -- I
can't support the -- the lack of open space. I -- I think if your goal is to provide more
affordable housing, but we talked about a flagship product in Raising's Cane's and their
incentive to make it a good product. If I -- if my goal is to expand my footprint and
develop more affordable housing I sure don't want my first project to be a poorly
implemented mess and I -- I grow increasingly concerned that this is the -- this is the
case here. You are not often going to find me opposing more density in certain areas
and certain developments. I think smart density can be very valuable and this type of
density can be valuable to our community, but this is too much with too little transition
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space, too little open space and there are too many red flags and too many alarms
blaring for me to be able to support this and I -- I do believe that a decrease in density --
maybe not down to the -- maybe not even down to the original amount -- to that original
215, but lower than what it is now I think is -- is what would be needed for me to get to a
point to support it in terms of, you know, increased open space, increased transition
space and things like that.
Lorcher: Thank you. I will get my two cents in. I don't know why -- I mean I think for
your federal loans that you are getting you are calling it affordable housing. I have a
daughter who graduated Boise State in the middle of COVID and has had a hard time
getting a job and her first job out of college she makes 45,000 dollars a year and in
order for her to live in our community she has to live with four other people, because
there is car payments and there is gas and there is commute and there is all those
things and she's a good person and she's young and she's just starting and she really
doesn't want to live with four people. So, when we say affordable housing from 35,000
to 60K -- God, my first job out of college I would have loved to make 60K, but this isn't
affordable housing. This is housing in our community. That part I love. I love that you
are going green. I love that you are looking at alternatives to being able to save energy
for the people who live in your community. I think that's fabulous. I love that you want
to be in the center of things because, then, you don't have to worry about maybe having
a car. Maybe you are an active senior and you -- you want to walk and Trader Joe's is
right there and it's very -- it's very clear we do not have a good transportation corridor
program here in Meridian. That is not what we are discussing tonight. It's just the way it
is. So, what do these people do? But, on the other hand, to be able to put in 250, 270
in a very small space that's already overly congested, it would be -- it's not in the best
interest of the City of Meridian, which is our purview. So, I plead with you to come up
with a project -- if you have the ability to lower the density and continue to pursue your
federal loans, please do. You can always appeal whatever decision we make to City
Council, but I -- I think you have got a good project. It's just a little bit too big for the
space and I agree with Commissioner Smith, the transition of a two story or even three
story building behind a house that has a big backyard -- I know I wouldn't want to look at
that behind my house as well. I think the transition needs to be a little bit more gradual
and 45 feet is not enough. Commissioner Sandoval, do you have any other comments?
Sandoval: Yes, Madam Chair. So, modifications to the DA, CUP, all compliance; right?
And you are mainly citing this unique demographic. So, as a child I grew up in a shelter
and, then, eventually transitioned into a townhouse that had open space and that was
huge, not only for myself, but for all of my friends that were growing up with me, it really
established that community, allowed you to engage physically, stay active, stay healthy
and the difference in communities and the open space, the correlation, is -- it's absolute;
right. My big hang up with this is I look at this project and the shape and the open
space and I imagine myself living there and, honestly, I -- I feel like it's very poorly
planned. There are elements that I do like about it. It's very centrally located, but you
have some units where you are crossing two parking lots and another complex just to
get in that central hub. So, you know, as it is now I love affordable housing. I'm all for
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it. Clearly I think there is a need and I agree with everyone on that. I cannot be in favor
of pushing this forward with a recommend of approval.
Lorcher: Okay. Commissioners, do I have a motion?
Smith: Madam Chair?
Lorcher: Commissioner Smith.
Smith: At this point to me it's a question of a continuance or a denial; right? It would be
-- is it -- do we think that this is something that can be sorted out if it's continued or do
we deny and allow the applicant to appeal directly to -- to City Council? Those are kind
of my two thoughts and I don't know if -- if we want to reopen and -- and pull the
applicant back up and ask them what their preferred choice is, if that -- it -- it concerns
timelines, but it seems like that's the question that I have at the moment. So, I'm not --
I'm not sure what motion to make, but that's where I'm at.
Starman: So, Madam Chair and Commissioners, let me just add two thoughts. First, I
know that -- I think at least two Commissioners talked about an appeal to City Council.
Just as a reminder, you are a recommending body to Council, so you are not approving,
nor are you denying an application. You are making a recommendation to the City
Council. So, this is going to the City Council regardless at the appropriate time.
Lorcher: Right.
Starman: So, it's not an appeal, it's -- you are making a recommendation and the
Council will make the decision -- is the first thought for you. The second is -- and I'm not
-- I will defer to the chair and to the Commission if you want to reopen the hearing, but I
thought I heard pretty clearly from the applicant on a couple of occasions tonight that
timeline is important and they want to advance this to the Council for final decision, you
know, whether the recommendation is in favor or not, what I heard was that they wanted
to proceed with the process, because they had other time considerations.
Grace: Sorry. So, is this an all-or-nothing proposition then? Is it a -- is it a
recommended approval or recommended -- or a recommended denial or is it a --
personally just -- I will give you an example from my perspective -- I'm not sure I
disapprove of the -- the -- the alternate compliant -- alternative compliance or the --
necessarily the height unless it impacts the density. I -- going from 215 to 279 is -- is
my big -- and so I -- I was sort of asking is it an all or nothing proposition.
Starman: So, Madam Chair and Commissioner Grace, I don't want to get too far into
the weeds, so tell me if I'm getting too far into the weeds, but as I mentioned or alluded
to at least earlier, really, technically, under our code, under the UDC, the Commission is
not a recommending body for at least one of the items, which is a -- or that's -- that we
discussed tonight and that is the modification to the development agreement. So, that
that is really -- you are not charged with making recommendations relative to that, but,
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as I mentioned earlier, it's virtually impossible to address an application of this
complexity and not deal with it all as one complete application. But, technically, you are
not the recommending body on -- on the development agreement modification. The
alternative compliance topic gets gray and I would invite Mr. Parsons to help me out
here. We -- up until recently we changed the code a few months back -- or maybe a
year back now, but previously that was -- that was solely a department director decision.
So, similar answer, that's not really within your purview for recommendation either, it
really was deferred to the director. We modified our decision making table to say when.
-- when an alternative compliance is coupled with other actions, like a CUP, then, the
City Council does participate. I'm going to ask Bill how -- how do you view the
Commission's role relative to alternative compliance when there is a CUP involved?
Parsons: Thank you, Kurt, Madam Chair, Members of the Commission. I think that's --
I think Kurt has -- legal has summarized it very well for you. These things are really --
really coupled. When we changed the code the intent of Council was if there is a DA
involved they wanted the CUP -- or the alternative compliance to go concurrent, so they
can look at the complete package. So, therefore, all of these applications really default
to them to make the decision on all three of them. So, kind of alluding to what legal has
advised you, had this not had the MDA you would be the decision maker on the old
compliance, because it was coupled with the CUP. That's the difference here. It's that
MDA that is carrying everything forward for Council to take under advisement. So,
really, you are the recommending body. Just like staff. We gave you a
recommendation on the project. Now, it's your turn to pass it on -- or make a decision --
make a recommendation onto City Council for their ultimate decision on the
applications.
Starman: So, my -- I would agree with all that. So, my -- my -- this -- this is my practical
and pragmatic advice to the Commission is that it's virtually impossible to break these
issues apart. MDA's, alternative compliance, CUPs, they all go hand-in-glove as parts
of a puzzle. My recommendation is -- and the Council, you know, values the
Commission's overall opinion relative the project and elements of the project. So, my --
my advice, just from a practical perspective, is that you deal with the project in its
totality, you make your best recommendation to the City Council, including some of
those issues we said they are not really technically within your purview. I know that the
Council would value your -- your input on those regardless. So, I think that's kind of the
practical way to approach it and I think the more feedback and more detail on your
recommendation is always valuable for Council Members, but, you know, the
Commission needs to gauge how deep you want to get into that.
Grace: Well, Madam Chair, unless -- well, I should ask that if the Commission wants to
talk about it, but given that guidance I -- I feel much more comfortable making a motion
then.
Lorcher: Commissioners, do you have any other comments? I think you can go
forward.
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Grace: So, Madam Chair, after considering all staff, applicant and public testimony I
move to recommend denial to the City Council of File No. H-2024-0019 as presented
during the hearing of -- during the hearing of September 5th, 2024, for the following
reasons: And, essentially, those are the increased density based on the -- based on the
proposal and potentially the additional height that's being requested to the extent that it
increases the amount of units and increases the density.
Lorcher: Do I have a second?
Smith: I will second that.
Lorcher: It's been moved and seconded to deny File No. H-2024-0019 with the
aforementioned reasons. All those in favor say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. THREE ABSENT.
Lorcher: Commissioners, can I get one more motion?
Grace: Madam Chair, move to adjourn.
Smith: Second.
Lorcher: It's been moved and seconded to adjourn. All those in favor say aye. All
those opposed? Motion carries. Thank you. Have a good night.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. THREE ABSENT.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 10:37 P.M.
(AUDIO RECORDING ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS. )
APPROVED
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MARIA LORCHER - CHAIRMAN DATE APPROVED
ATTEST:
CHRIS JOHNSON - CITY CLERK
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