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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2003 02-25 Pre Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting February 25, 2003 The Pre-Council Meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order at 6:00 P.M. on Tuesday, February 25, 2003, by Mayor Robert Corrie. Members Present: Mayor Robert Corrie, Bill Nary, Tammy de Weerd, Cherie McCandless, and Keith Bird. Others Present: Bill Nichols, Mike Worley, Gary Smith, Stacy Kilchenmann, Kenny Bowers, Pauline Skeggs, Dave McKinnon, and Will Berg. Item 1. Roll-call Attendance: X Tammy de Weerd X Bill Nary X Cherie McCandless X Keith Bird X Mayor Robert Corrie Corrie: I will open the Pre-Council Meeting Agenda of Tuesday February 25, 2003 at 6:00 P.M. Roll call please Mr. Berg. Item 2. Adoption of the Agenda: Corrie: Item Number 2 is the adoption of the agenda. Council we have four items on the agenda any additions or corrections to those four? Hearing none, I will entertain a motion to accept the adoption of the agenda. Bird: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Bird. Bird: I move we adopt the agenda as posted. Nary: Second. Corrie: Okay motion has been made and second to adopt the agenda. Any further discussion. Hearing none all those in favor of the motion say aye. All ayes motion carried. MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES Item 3. Discussion with Erv Olen from COMPASS regarding MPO (Metropolitan Planning Organization): Corrie: First on the agenda is Item 3 discussion with Erv Olen from COMPASS regarding MPO Metropolitan Planning Organization so Erv. Olen: Thank you Mayor, Members of the Council. I’m here tonight to begin to bring the closure. The formal designation of the Nampa Urbanized Area has a Metropolitan Planning Organization. There are two options in how to do that. Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting February 25, 2003 Page 2 of 13 One is to have two separate MPO’s under COMPASS and the second option is to have a single MPO under COMPASS. Staff is recommending strongly that we have a single MPO under COMPASS. By way of background the 2000 census to no ones surprise which by the way came out in May of 2002, designated the Nampa Organized Area as an area over 50,000 population. Actually, they leap frogged to the second largest urbanized area in the State and I’m sure you know who the largest one is. After that, the feds decided that they had a year to formally designate a Metropolitan Planning Organization for Canyon County stst which and that year ends May 1 of this year. We have until May 1 to get this job done and we can risk losing some federal planning funds. The third thing in terms of background is following the census designation of the Nampa Urbanized Area the six local agencies in Canyon County affected by that Nampa, Caldwell, Middleton, two of the rural Highway Districts Canyon and Nampa Highway and then Ada or Canyon County. All passed resolutions in July and August last year to have COMPASS be there MPO. That’s the background. Item Number 4 on this list are all of the things that have happened in the last couple of years with Canyon County. There are actually nine now there are eight listed and I’ll add a ninth one. For all practical purposes, Canyon County had been acting as though they were part of COMPASS in terms of being an MPO. In all of the things they’ve been doing. They participate in regional – voting on regional priorities. The COMPASS Board yesterday passed a motion to accept some priorities as to (inaudible) they’ve done that. They participate on our regional advisory committees they adopt some regional studies such as the I-84 Corridor Study. They meet in our meeting all the federal requirements. One of the most current is what they call the environmental justice. Actually, Canyon County is doing more than Ada at this point in addressing environmental justice issues. They’ve – since 1997, six years ago, they’ve been participating in the regional growth projections that we do. Since 99’, they’ve been participating in the two county travel forecast model that we’ve been maintaining. The list goes on and on. In addition to adopting a Transportation Improvement Program, which is typical of MPO’s, they also have adopted our unified planning work program, which is another MPO requirement. If staff’s recommendation is, what the board adopts it will be business as usual for Canyon County and we’re simply formalizing what they’ve been doing informally over the past several years. Item 5 the COMPASS Board held a workshop in October to talk about the MPO designation issue and the role that COMPASS should play. There was a resounding theme out of that meeting that COMPASS should continue to deal with regional transportation issues. Our recommendation certainly supports that regional function that COMPASS should be playing. Item 6 is kind of a financial issue for Canyon County. If they become part of Ada County’s MPO they become what’s called a transportation management area. That does change rules for the use of federal transit funds and we had it on insurance for the federal transit folks that they would not be affected if we became an MPO. That had several million-dollar implications for Canyon County. Number 7 and Number 8 under a proposed reorganization structure for COMPASS it was delayed yesterday until an April vote. The two counties would have a certain degree of autonomy under that reorganization proposal. They would be able to deal with non-regional issues unique to their counties. An example of that would be that Canyon County has the right to accept transportation width standards for their roads separate from Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting February 25, 2003 Page 3 of 13 Ada County. That autonomy is still there. The next issue is we have and will continue to track federal funds both for projects and for planning in our budget. What that means is Canyon County will not be competing with Ada County for federal funds for project implementation. They each have their own budget and each will be tracked separately. The final three items are just some mixture of things. If Canyon County doesn’t like this organizational structure and for that matter if Ada County doesn’t like it they could pull out. If (inaudible) process once a decision is made to form a single MPO but they could the mechanism is there and if there’s a need to do it it could be done. We would be proposing that officially in 2006 there would be a formal review of the organizational structure, how does it work and what can we do to improve it if anything. Finally, with the recommendation that Clair and I are making for a single MPO, the action would be to have COMPASS adopt a resolution accepting the Nampa Urbanized Area into the existing MPO. That action would not require governmentorial action whatsoever we would simply ship that to the state and it’s done. We are asking the COMPASS Board to consider taking that action at the March Meeting and I’m going to be spending the time between now and then talking to each member agency about this proposal, hearing your comments on it. I will tell you thus far, in talking to a few of the agencies there’s been an extremely positive discussion. So far, folks tend to like the way things are going and I think we’re on the right track. With that, I would like to ask if you have any questions. Nary: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: Mr. Olen would it be – if I understand everything you said is it basically COMPASS’s position that having the single MPO would still allow both the current situation as well as Nampa to still have some of their individually autonomy as well as still working on this – Olen: That is correct. Nary: Okay how does it impact Meridian. We’re in between these two large entities and we’re growing fairly rapidly to this 50,000 mark level ourselves so how if at all does this impact us? How is it in the future 2006 we’ll probably be at 50,000 people here? Olen: Yes. My opinion is Mr. Nary that it has no impact really it’s just business as usual. The only real options are to have two separate ones within COMPASS versus a single one. I think that there will still be a regional – COMPASS will still be a regional form to deal with transportation issues. For example, yesterday the COMPASS Board identified priorities for Idaho Transportation Department’s projects in the valley Number 1 priority Locust Grove many and obvious benefits from that. We’ve been what’s the term stepchild I guess in the last two years we’ve finally hit the Number 1. I have already guaranteed the Mayor and had some email with Tammy that I’m going to do everything in my power to guarantee that project is going to get funded. To answer your question I don’t Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting February 25, 2003 Page 4 of 13 believe no matter which option the board accepts it will have an impact and we’ll allow the planning process to continue. Nary: In our voice for Meridian will change significantly by having a single MPO with these two entities as a part of it – Olen: That’s clearly a benefit. I would like to mention to be fair there are two downsides to this, two kinds if you will. I failed to mention those. One is a potential perception in Canyon County that there are smaller fish in a larger pond that their voice may not mean as much if their part of the larger. The second is they become part of our transportation management area areas over 200,000. That means they’re going to have to be involved in our congestion management system but they’ve already voluntarily agreed to participate. The second is that it’s more rigorous reporting requirements on some of the federal requirements but we already have a cast to make that as painless as we can. Again, Canyon County has benefited from acting and going along as though they were an MPO. This would simply allow that to continue but there is a downside. Corrie: Erv Item Number 6 can you tell me it says a single MPO would allow Canyon County to use their FTA Section 5307 funds for operations but Ada County can’t. Olen: That’s correct. Corrie: Explain that so we can clear that up a little bit. Olen: The fact that Ada County went over 200,000 the federal rules are they cannot use their transit funds for operations only capital. Canyon County has under 200,000 can merging together as one MPO does not affect their ability to use those planning funds for operation. Corrie: If we in the next two years we go over the 50,000 we can have the same MPO status of the 5307 unless they change – Olen: Mr. Mayor that’s not correct. The City of Meridian – (Inaudible discussion amongst Council Members) Olen: I think that as I understand the rules and this isn’t substantiated I’ve heard it several times. If Meridian goes over 50,000, you will be considered a central city within the TMA. That does give you a little more (inaudible). Corrie: And Canyon County is still willing to go one MPO at this point. Olen: In talking to the three Mayors’ that’s clearly the direction they’re giving. The Highway District’s aren’t sure it’s a good thing for them but they also realize that the three cities were going to decide that issue and they’re not resisting. Corrie: Any other questions. Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting February 25, 2003 Page 5 of 13 Bird: I have none. Corrie: Any way would like to have us vote in March. Tammy’s on this and I’m on this if you wanted to have the Council to say they wanted to vote that they have one MPO (inaudible). Nary: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: It seems like in listening to Erv and then reviewing this I mean there’s probably more upside than down. I mean there’s probably some things that – my concern was and this is why I asked the question is what’s our voice going to be you know between these large entities. It doesn’t sound like it’s going to impact that and that’s probably our biggest concern. We don’t want to be caught in the middle of that. I don’t – it makes sense from a logistical stand point to have one in my opinion. I guess I don’t know what other people thing but it seems like one makes more sense. Bird: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Bird. Bird: I would agree with Mr. Nary 100 percent. I think one is better than two let’s go for it. De Weerd: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. De Weerd: I guess – I went to the Federal Highway Administration and they gave kind of a 101 educational program on the TMA and the MPO and what it means to become an urbanized area. We had three before the last census and now we have six so they’ve doubled that but it’s still based on population numbers. The funding this pot is – didn’t grow any. More people are now taking out of that pot but there aren’t any disadvantages to this and I think it enhances our planning as we grow together. I can only see benefits and like Erv said we’ve been acting like an MPO a combined MPO anyway so it just makes sense. It works a lot better and so I am fully in support of it as well. I’m glad to hear it. Does Council continue to get the COMPASS package? Bird: Sure do. Nary: Yes. De Weerd: So you’ve had some background on this as well. We made sure that the Council was getting the packages so if they have any issues they can bring it to us. If we could also get a copy of that, Will to Brad Hawkins-Clark. I know that Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting February 25, 2003 Page 6 of 13 ACHD staff provides input on some of the agenda items. I’ve talked to both Gary and Brad and they would be happy to give a staff perspective on – or be willing maybe not jumping up in glee but – because there are some items that occasionally will impact us. It’s always nice to get the staffs’ perspective going into it in addition to Council’s when you have it. Erv thanks for the explanation and who all have you talked to? Olen: I’ve talked with Ada County, I’ve talked with the Canyon Highway Districts, and I’ve talked informally with some of the staff. I have met with Smart Growth just to review with them and they think it’s a good thing. I’ve gotten quite a few phone calls of folks when they hear about it thinking we’re on the right track. De Weerd: And you’re going out talking to each communities Council and getting their ideas? Olen: Yes. De Weerd: That’s great. Nary: Thank you. Olen: Thank you. Corrie: Thank you Erv appreciate your presentation. Very good thank you. Item 4. Finance Report: Corrie: Finance Report Stacy. Kilchenmann: I just have a couple of unusual things or items to point out on the financial the monthly financial statements. One item as you’ve probably noticed if you looked at your graphs is that interest rates continue to perform less than our low expectations of them. They’re actually lower than we budgeted which was fairly low. It looked like things were leveling out a little bit and now they’re going back down again. Just keep hoping that the economy improves but if you read the economic analysis it doesn’t look like that’s going to happen definitely not in this fiscal year and probably not in the next fiscal year. That’s one thing we’re watching. Our fund balances do continue to grow so we are – that’s a positive aspect. The other item on the expenditure side is as probably was expected a high overtime for the police they’re 47,000 dollars over budget in overtime. However, that’s mitigated by the fact that we’ve had four patrol officer positions vacant all year. Overall, our personnel cost is not suffering from that. I did want to point out one thing on the potential budget amendments. In the general fund, there it shows building fund it shows a 320,000-dollar item and I wanted you to know that’s a good thing. That’s a good debit that we – when we budgeted for the transfer from the building fund to the capital improvement fund we didn’t budget a high enough number so I just didn’t want you to panic if you looked at that. On the budget side for 2004 this week, we’re going to release the calendar and the new forms for 2004 and start that process. We’ve sped the Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting February 25, 2003 Page 7 of 13 calendar up a little bit so that they items will go to the Mayor first for an overall to be prioritized before you actually get that whole budget. However, I’m going to try to finish the revenue projection up in the next few weeks and I will give that to you as soon as I get that finished. Just kind of a scary time for the general fund when we don’t know what’s happening with revenue sharing. I’m kind of saying to the general fund Department Heads that this is probably a good time to go to the ground for the next year and look more at capital one-time expenditures rather than adding a lot of staff with continuing costs that we may not be able – that we may have to cut. Are there any questions? Nary: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: Stacy I don’t know if it’s you or the Chief that would answer. I’m assuming that the overtime is related to the couple of murders and the investigation with Boise on that shooting. Worley: Mr. Mayor Mr. Nary and Members of the Council that spike in the January period is probably 95 percent related to Thornton and Homicide. We are tracking that separately internally so I can report to you when we’re done. I can tell you off hand the figure is about 25,000 dollars in overtime specifically for that homicide investigation at this point. Corrie: That’s an expensive one so far. Bird: Yes they are. De Weerd: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. De Weerd: Chief how are we doing on filling those positions? Worley: Mr. Mayor Members of the Council and Mrs. de Weerd we have five positions at this point. We have two people slated to go into the POST Academy beginning the end of March. We have resolved the issue with the POST Council and the Director. They were not allowing us previously to put people into POST until we had actually hired them. Then we had to submit their names at which sometimes resulted in us hiring people. In fact, we have two people on board right now that we’re just kind of a bit in limbo because they weren’t allowing us to reserve slots. That goes to – back to some problems with some other agencies around the state nothing that Meridian has ever done but it was leveraged against us as well. We have resolved that with the Council Director and we now have the ability to reserve slots, which gives us a little bit better planning flexibility. The bad news is we had five slots reserved and within this past week, we’ve wiped out three applicants in our background process out of four that we were processing for three slots. Sometimes the process just comes back and bites us but the issue of not having the people on earlier was directly attributable Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting February 25, 2003 Page 8 of 13 to not being able to get slots in the POST Academy and I think we’ve resolved that now. De Weerd: Thank you. Corrie: As I mentioned to staff today we don’t know for sure what’s going to happen to our revenue sharing fund yet. We might have to make some big decisions in the next two or three months so we’ll see where the Legislature goes, go down there and talk to them different ones and see what we can (inaudible). Any questions of Stacy then for the rest of the finance report? De Weerd: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. De Weerd: Just financial related topic is the items that came up in the Department Head Meeting last month regarding the Christmas parties, flowers and meals and all of that thing. We thought maybe it would be appropriate to talk about it at Pre-Council and decide if we need to have a policy. I know some suggestions were made that were very reasonable but thought Council probably should look at that in terms of firming up a policy so it’s not a guessing game it’s something that we can go by the book on. Kilchenmann: Mayor and Members of the Council I would definitely agree with that. When they were here our auditors we’re happy to see that we did have a travel policy that suggested that we might want to tighten it up. I think those are items that are typically covered in a travel policy too are things like Christmas parties, sending flowers et cetera. That is something and I think some of the Department Heads have expressed some desire for guidance from you. Corrie: Well getting all those put together from the different departments that were presented to you in a Pre-Council Meeting so you can see where they are what they are and which direction you want to go. The main one is the Christmas dinner of course. That’s in the thousands of dollars. Kilchenmann: That’s the expensive one. Corrie: That’s the expensive one then flowers and then I think that’s – we can discuss that too but I’ll get them all together you can look at them all at one time so that you at least know what we’re talking about and give you the input from the Department Heads. De Weerd: I’m assuming you’ve started working on a policy then? Kilchenmann: I haven’t no. Corrie: We haven’t started working on a policy because we haven’t – given us one. We have to see what you want to do and then we’ll work on the policy. Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting February 25, 2003 Page 9 of 13 De Weerd: Okay. Corrie: Since it will be useless to work on a policy (inaudible) Council approve it. De Weerd: I guess I misinterpreted what you said. I thought you were putting some things together and bringing it to us. Corrie: We are but it’s not policies. Nary: A proposal. Corrie: Proposals. De Weerd: Proposals okay. Corrie: Okay. Nary: That sounds great. Corrie: Good. De Weerd: Thank you. Corrie: Thank you. Bird: Thanks Stacy. Corrie: Proposals and policies are two different names but the sound a lot alike. Item 5. Discussion of Ordinance on Meridian Police Department Rules and Policies: Corrie: Okay discussion of the Ordinance on Meridian Police Department Rules, Regulations, and Policies Mr. Nary. Nary: Mr. Mayor I had emailed this around to yourself and the other Council Members. The Chief had been the one who had brought it to my attention initially and I guess I’ll kick it off and then turn it over to the Chief. When he first addressed this to me, this is the current City Code. At least from what I can find it’s the only City Code directed to only one department in regards to rules and regulations. I think there was some misunderstanding from the outset that it was an attempt by the department to avoid the Council reviewing policy for the department and that wasn’t the intent at all. As you read the ordinance it requires things as what I would consider to be fairly minor from the Council’s perspective of uniforms, equipment and things like that that have to all be approved by the Mayor and Council before the Chief can do – to make any changes. We felt that that didn’t really seem to make much sense in conjunction with all the other ordinances and that was the reason for the suggested change. Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting February 25, 2003 Page 10 of 13 Chief go ahead with whatever else you want to add but that was why it was brought up initially. Worley: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council the – Mr. Nary is corrected a very conservative interpretation of the original ordinance. It appeared to me that I would have to come to the Council to even adjust somebody’s shift to work on a project because it addresses scheduling of such issues that there is not an intent to enact any policy that violates city policy. In fact, in our new manual I think most of you are familiar with the previous police manual actually was separate apart from city policy. The new one does not conflict with city policy in any way it doesn’t even address issues that are addressed in the city policy and police employees will be directed that they actually have two manuals that they have to deal with. The police policy manual is procedural in nature. There are also certain things in that police policy manual that address police procedure, which is not public record under the current statutes. Because of our operational procedures, it’s best that we keep those within our operational purview. It’s not an attempt to supercede anything that the Council would do but really to address operational issues. Corrie: Thank you Mike. Mike brought this up some time ago and we discussed it. I thought it would be best to give it to Bill since he was the liaison with the Police Department. He makes good sense that you don’t have to come to the Mayor and Council for rules and regulations. If we find that it’s not right, we’ll let him know. He does and I do have conferences every week and I wholly support this ordinance move that Bill has got on the (inaudible). Any other questions? Nary: Mr. Mayor I was just going to make one other comment too. There certainly could be some thought as to simply repealing the ordinance entirely but I think it’s probably more efficient to do it this way so it’s clear that where the Chief’s authority is in trying to deal with the operational things of the department rather than just deleting it out and doing it by implication. I think the intent really is as the Chief said is simply to just make it clear that the routine operation department is within the Chief’s purview. Obviously, those are the kinds of things that you hire a Police Chief to do so it just makes it clear by ordinance. I had asked Allison to be here she’s the one that drafted the change in case there were other issues before we put it on the agenda that anyone wanted to change we could get that taken care of. Worley: And Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council I have read Allison’s draft and I’m fully in support of the language. Corrie: Okay anybody have anything on the ordinance change? Nary: If no one has objections I would simply ask if we could maybe put it on next weeks agenda and get her going forward from there. Corrie: Okay Mr. Berg if you will put that on there as an ordinance. Okay very good thank you Chief. Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting February 25, 2003 Page 11 of 13 Nichols: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Yes Mr. Nary excuse me Mr. Nichols. Nichols: Mr. Mayor we’ll need a summary probably for the ordinance do you think or just publish it? It’s short. Nary: It’s pretty short enough that I think we probably could print it as is. We added the waiver the reading rules into the title so we could just do it like that. De Weerd: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mrs. de Weerd. De Weerd: I know a Council Member who really likes summaries. Nary: If it’s more than three pages. Corrie: All right who would that be? Item 6. Discussion of Possible Zoning Ordinance Amendment to Allow Churches as Conditional Uses within R-8, R-40, I-L and C-G zones: Corrie: All right Item Number 6 discussion of possible Zoning Ordinance Amendment to allow churches as Conditional Uses within R-8, R-40, I-L and C-G zones. Mr. Nichols. Nichols: Thank you Mr. Mayor Members of the Council in December the Planning Department received a letter from a pastor of a local church that was inquiring about or maybe more appropriately complaining about the inability to locate a church in an available open -- building that has some open space available that’s a building owned by Campbell Siding. They wanted to put a church there and the hours of operation of the church would not conflict with the business. I asked Steve Siddoway to look at the parking because that’s always an obvious issue because a lot of industrial areas don’t have enough parking for what I would call a people intensive use. In the bottom line is under the current code churches are prohibited in industrial zones. The church raised the issues of federal preemption under the Federal Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act, which essentially requires that communities in their planning efforts not unduly burden religion entities in the cities land use policies. Some of the obvious ones under that are a city that would permit a lodge or a club or something like that in a particular zone but they don’t permit a church in the same zone. We don’t have that situation in Meridian. When you look at the schedule of use control wherever a club, lodge sort of business is allowed to locate churches are also allowed to be there too. Having said that, this particular location where they would like to put their church makes sense because it’s not – the uses even though it’s zoned industrial the uses that are around it are not what I would call hazardous materials type uses. They are not as the things that Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting February 25, 2003 Page 12 of 13 would conflict in their hours of operation one versus the other. There isn’t an option under the current code. If we expanded the schedule of use control to include Conditional Uses in these other zones R-8, R-40, I-L, and C-G we would give churches more options, it would help us in an argument that we’re really would go beyond what Rluipa requires. It would allow the Planning Department to say well it may be a Conditional Use in an industrial zone but it’s not really a good idea to have it next to this Creosol Plant or those kinds of things where you could – the Council Commission could adjust the use of how it worked. We would like to bring you an ordinance that would expand the schedule of use control for churches to allow them as Conditional Uses in these additional areas. I don’t think we have a Rluipa problem with this particular church. If we don’t I don’t think we have Rluipa issues if we do impose conditions hours of operation conditions or those sorts of things but it just gives some more flexibility. Nary: Mr. Mayor. Corrie: Mr. Nary. Nary: I think that what the last thing Mr. Nichols said and I kind of got out of your memo but it doesn’t say exactly is that we really – we haven’t violated the law by any stretch but it just makes sense. It just makes sense to consider it. I think – I can’t possibly think of a good reason not to look at something that makes sense. I mean it seems reasonable I think what they’re asking and I think the way Mr. Nichols has framed it and where the ordinance would go is just something that makes a lot of sense. There obviously will be situations in industrial zones that having a gathering place of a lot of people regardless of what the purpose is may not be a good idea but that’s what a (inaudible) for that’s the reason we do that. To preclude it just because it’s not (inaudible) with schedule of use is that it doesn’t seem like a very valid reason to exclude something we should probably do it. I wholeheartedly agree I think it makes perfect sense to me. Bird: You suggested moving an ordinance forward right? Nary: Absolutely. Bird: I agree with you 100 percent. Berg: It’s a Zoning Ordinance so we’ll have to have a Public Hearing. Bird: Planning and Zoning well that’s what I mean yes go through the steps to get it going. Corrie: Anybody have any objections? Hearing none okay if you will start the procedure and (inaudible) Planning and Zoning. That concludes the Pre-Council Agenda. We’ve got 25 minutes before we start the Regular Meeting we hope that – that doesn’t look too bad tonight. Bird: You ought to get us out of here by 8:30. Meridian City Pre-Council Meeting February 25, 2003 Page 13 of 13 Corrie: I’m going to do it if everybody keeps to the schedule. Bird: You know us guys that are working hard every day we can’t stay up too late. I have to get up early in the mornings you know. Corrie: (Inaudible). (Inaudible discussion amongst Council Members) Corrie: Okay I will entertain a motion to close the Pre-Council Meeting. Bird: So moved. Nary: Second. Corrie: Motion made and second to close the Pre-Council Meeting any further discussion. Hearing none all those in favor say aye. All ayes motion carried see you at 7:00. MOTION CARRIED MEETING ADJOURNED AT 6:36 P.M. (TAPE ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS) APPROVED: / / ROBERT D. CORRIE, MAYOR DATE ATTESTED: WILLIAM G. BERG, JR., CITY CLERK