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act on that project the same evening. There are times that we end up having to
continue for whatever reason, but, generally speaking, we try to conclude.
Item 4:
Public Hearing: AZ 06-034 Request for Annexation and Zoning of 2.95
acres from R4 (Ada County) to L-O (Limited Office District) for Ashtyn
Park Annexation by David N. Price -- 201 W. Ustick Road:
Rohm: So, with that being said, I'd like to at this time open up the Public Hearing for AZ
06-034 for Ashtyn Park annexation and begin with the staff report.
Hood: Thank you, Mr. Chair, Members of the Commission. There is the Ashton Park
annexation. It is just an annexation application. There is not an associated
development application for the 2.95 acres that is being requested to be annexed into
the city and zoned to L-O, office zoning. You may recall last year this same parcel was
also before you and you forwarded on a favorable recommendation to the City Council.
The City Council did deny that application, primarily because there was not a detailed
enough concept plan for the site and it was at that time, too, just an annexation request,
but it wasn't real firm on how that site would develop out. So, the owner of this property
has hired The Land Group and have put together a concept plan, which I will show you
here in just a minute for how that site will develop and staff has taken that concept plan
and some of the other provisions that are generally put into place for properties that just
have a concept plan on them into a development agreement that we'd like the City
Council to approve for this site, so when it develops it does resemble the concept plan
that they are proposing. To orient you a little bit, this site is located on the southeast --
or southwest corner of Ustick and Meridian Road. I'll move to the aerial here. It is just
east of the church and day care. This -- actually, part of this parcel was just until
recently owned by the church and that's why about half of this property is designated on
the Comprehensive Plan future land use map as public, quasi public, and the other half
is designated as residential, because back in 2002 the church did own this parcel or
portion of this parcel and it was shown as public, quasi public. They have since
deemed it unnecessary for their uses and have sold it to Mr. Price. To the south are a
couple of single family homes in the county. Those homes are zoned RUT. Across
Meridian Road is Eastbrook Subdivision. There is a public street there, Eastbrook, just
south of Meridian Road. I'm sorry. Just south of Ustick Road. It's about 200 feet south.
And I'll touch on access here in just a minute. To the north across Ustick is Settler's
Park. And, then, if you go kitty-corner to the northeast corner of the intersection is the
office uses that are approved in Sundance Subdivision. They are just going to be under
construction, if they haven't broken ground. I haven't been out there in a couple of
weeks, but they should be breaking ground on the office uses there on the corner of that
intersection. So, here is the aforementioned concept plan. There are six buildings
shown on this plan. The access point, as I also mentioned, is at the far southern
boundary of the site. The previous plan -- there were a couple of concept plans with the
'05 application that was processed. The access point at that time, ACHD required them
to align that driveway with Eastbrook Drive, I think it is, that is directly across Meridian
Road. The ACHD has recently -- I don't want to say rescinded that staff report, but they
have updated it to reflect this concept plan and requiring the applicant now to have that
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driveway be no less than 315 feet south of Ustick Road. So, that's generally where you
will see the driveway and staff has also required that that driveway connect up with the
church parking lot, so that a reciprocal easement can be granted, so that people on this
property can get through the church up to Ustick Road and vice-versa, church patrons
can come through this property and get to Meridian Road. So, not everyone has to go
through this intersection if you were heading back to the west and you're at the
chiropractor's office or whoever may be in here. And same with the church, if you are
just heading south you can cut through the office. development and continue on and
bypass that intersection. There are several provisions in the development agreement. I
don't know that I need to touch on all of them. Some of them, just real quickly, have a
minimum -- or maximum size, excuse me, for each of these buildings to be no greater
than 5,000 square feet. They aren't shown quite that big, I thought I'd give them a little
bit more flexibility. I think they are in the neighborhood of 3,500 square feet now, I
thought maybe if you have got a user that wanted a little bit more, combine two of these
buildings in one or something, 5,000 still seemed to be a pretty manageable number
and wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb, really, in this development anyways. So, the
other DA provisions do require the 20-foot wide land use buffer along the southern
boundary and a 25-foot wide landscape buffer along both of the arterial streets, Ustick
and Meridian, as well as a 25 buffer foot wide buffer to the church, because it's zoned
residential. That's according to ordinance. So, I think I touched on pretty much the
main points here. I won't belabor it too much more. I know you saw a similar project
here -- or similar layout here on this site and I will stand for any questions you may
have.
Rohm: Thank you, Caleb. Any questions of staff?
Borup: Just one. Caleb, the staff report mentions that some of the dimensions do not
seem to comply with the UDC. Is there anything specific that's a concern or is this just
minor things?
Hood: Mr. Chair, Commissioner Borup, they are pretty minor. If you look right here
there is a little bit of this backup area for this -- this parking stall that does encroach
within that required 20-foot land use buffer, so it needs to be a 20-foot land use buffer,
exclusive of any asphalt. That's the one off the top of my head I can think of. But
nothing too significant or else I would have spelled it out a little bit more clearly. But
that's the one I can think of.
Borup: Thank you.
Rohm: Would the applicant like to come forward, please? And, please, state your
name and address for the record.
Elg: Sure. Thank you. My name is Van Elg. I'm with The Land Group, 462 East Shore
in Eagle. I'm the planner for The Land Group and representing Mr. Price tonight, who is
the developer. Caleb, do you have that disk, that Powerpoint? Oh, it's already up.
Again, I won't -- as Caleb mentioned, I won't belabor it too much. We have gone over
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the staff report and find that what Caleb has indicated in this report is in compliance with
what we understood to occur on the project. We don't have any particular issues with
any elements of the staff report. There was a comment that I think Caleb probably had
addressed, but you may have it in your packet. ACHD initially transmitted a report that
was the same report, apparently, from the last time that this was before the Commission
and there has been a slight change in here. So, let me -- as I go through this I will point
out what change that was and why ACHD has now adjusted that report. Again, you
have seen the aerial here, Caleb, so we can flip to the next one there. There is just the
vicinity map again, which Caleb had on his. This drawing right here -- I wanted to show
you some of the initial drawings that you saw last year as from a concept standpoint.
This is the first concept drawing that you saw. You will notice that the access point is
about 220 feet from the intersection of Ustick and Meridian Road, which is in
approximate alignment with Eastbrook Subdivision, which was a point of contention for
some of the neighbors last time. They did not want to see that -- that intersection in
alignment there. In addition, ACHD had some issues with it and it was going to be a
restricted access to right-in, right-out only. And since that time we have come back with
what we believe to be a much better plan. Caleb, you can flip to the next one now.
Again, this is another concept plan that was presented. We didn't feel like this one
really met the intent or was a design that we wanted to proceed with. And the next,
Caleb. When presented last year, Mr. Price identified a number of permitted and
conditional uses in the application and Caleb has indicated in the staff report that
through the development agreement we are being restricted to only those permitted
uses in the L-O zone, that conditional uses won't be allowed. I think the only thing that -
- it looks like the ordinance may have changed a little since the last time we were in,
Caleb. I believe the L-O zone has changed. Some of those things that were conditional
uses at one point are now part of it. The next slide kind of highlights -- condenses those
yellow areas. Oops. No, it doesn't. I think it went to -- one back, maybe. Clicking over
somewhere. Okay. Anyways, if you look at those yellows you can see that there is --
that's a summary of all of the principal permitted uses in the zone. And we completely
agree with what's allowed there. You can see that our intent is to proVide professional
office spaces, dental offices, doctor's offices, chiropractic offices, maybe financial
offices, perhaps a day care center, as allowed by the zone, but certainly nothing that will
be intensive in either traffic or pedestrian generation in the site. It will be a fairly low
impact development. Caleb, if we can go to the next -- flip through -- is that the last one
for ACHD? There we go. There is the condensed version. This is the -- yeah. That's
fine. We will use that one right now. Okay. This is what you were lacking last time.
One of the things -- one of the elements that you were lacking was an aerial of the site
and -- I don't mean an aerial, an elevation of the site. And you will probably recognize
this. This is Heritage Commons or a similar type development. Mr. Price fully intends
to have something very compatible to this type of development on that site. Let's go to
that site plan now, Caleb. This is the site plan that we have identified as being what we
believe to be a much superior plan to the ones that were presented last year. You will
notice that, as Caleb mentioned, 315 feet south of the intersection you will find the full
access intersection -- or access point to this site. It's not a right-in, right-out, but a full
access. No longer aligning with Eastbrook Subdivision, but should provide a much
better means of access to the site and reduce some of the transportation -- the trips that
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are generated through that intersection, as you will come directly into the site, instead of
passing through Ustick and Meridian Road. In addition, this site allows -- or this access
point here will deter cut-through traffic from Meridian Road or from Ustick Road through
the church site and back down through. So, you can see you'd have to wind fairly
significantly through that project to get back out. So, it won't be a very convenient cut
through approach. The six buildings that you see there, as Caleb mentioned, vary in
size. I believe there is a total of about 21,000 square foot of commercial space, with
about 3.8 parking spaces per thousand. Certainly that one parking space or turn out --
back out area there on the south boundary is something that we will have to come back
and address and certainly willing to do that. But with that I don't think that there is whole
lot more that we need to cover particularly with this -- with this proposal, other than we
did mention the cross-access easement. That does exit. Mr. Price already has that
agreement in his hands and we will be providing that for the church and possibly
allowing them to park on Sundays within the property as well. We would ask that the
normal hours of operation be consistent with the code. I think it goes from, what, 6:00
to 10:00 is the normal standard hours of operation. And with that I will open myself up
to any questions that you might have.
Rohm: Okay. Any questions of this applicant?
Newton-Huckabay: I have none.
Rohm: Okay. Before you sit down I have a question of staff and, then, possibly you
can respond. Caleb, he had mentioned day care as one of the potential developments,
Is that something that would be accepted in this -- as part of this project?
Hood: Mr. Chair, Members of the Commission, it is on that list, which looked like the list
out of the UDC. It is principally permitted. I think that is one of the changes that was
made from the old Meridian city code to the new UDC in giving home, if you will, for day
care centers, whereas before they were, basically, a Conditional Use Permit in all types
of -- all different zoning districts and now it is principally permitted in the L-O and I think
there are still several other zoning districts where they would require a C-U. But I can
verify if I had a UDC here and I may try to find a hard copy of one or jump online real
quick and just find you a for sure answer, but I believe --
Rohm: Typically, the day cares require a CU and I just wanted to validate before we
went forward with the assumption that it would be principally permitted.
Hood: Right.
Rohm: And that's fine.
Elg: Mr. Chairman, I checked the UDC directly online, Caleb, and that's where I found
that as well. That -- I wasn't aware of that change myself, so I checked it several times.
Rohm: Well, good. I'm satisfied with that, then. Good. Thank you.
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Elg: You know, as Caleb mentioned, the day care center is currently existing --
currently at the site at the church and has for a number of years. And they are anxious
to potentially use one of the buildings, so --
Rohm: Good. Okay. Thank you.
Elg: Thank you.
Borup: That is what my book shows.
Rohm: Okay. Good. I just -- I didn't want to move forward without clearing that in my
own mind.
Elg: Yeah. That's why I checked it several times myself, because--
Rohm: Okay. Thank you.
Borup: Just one question, Mr. Chairman. Previously the City Council had denied that.
Do you feel it was because of the sample buildings or because of the landscaping
layout or -- I mean there is not a lot of difference from what you submitted then and now
and I -- do you feel comfortable that it will be okay at City Council this time?
Elg: Frankly, we do.
Borup: Okay.
Elg: The Council -- I guess could say this. They asked for the additional elevations and
such. The applicant initially wasn't able to be at the meeting -- missed the first part of
the meeting. When he got to the Council meeting through the appeal wasn't able to --
because the meeting had progressed he wasn't able to get the elevations and so they
denied it. So, I think it was just a combination. He didn't have a good concept plan and
he didn't have the elevations that he needed --
Borup: Okay.
Elg: -- and there was a few things like that.
Borup: Thank you.
Elg: Okay. Thank you.
Rohm: Thank you very much. We do not have anybody else that has signed up to
speak to this application, but if there is anyone who would like to, this is your opportunity
and, please, come forward. And state your name and place of residence.
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Vogel: My name is Lester Vogel and we have some water users and there is an
irrigation pipe that comes up on the corner there and will they be leaving that alone and
not planting shrubs or something around it?
Rohm: Typically, the way a development works is any water use that was available to
adjacent properties before development occurs has to be available once the
development is completed, so--
Vogel: They won't be obstructing me?
Rohm: The water will be delivered just as it was prior.
Vogel: But how about bushes and trees over that?
Borup: I think that can -- that ditch is probably outside of their new property line. I think
that's probably within the ACHD right of way, if I'm -- it's pretty close to that.
Vogel: Okay. There won't be anything over it?
Borup: Well, normally, the ditches are required to be covered if it's --
Vogel: Yeah. It's covered, but it's got a clean out there, so it needs --
Borup: Oh, you're talking about a covered ditch, not the open one that's there?
Vogel: No. It's a covered ditch, but there is a plate there where it goes under Meridian
Road and under Ustick Road.
Borup: But along the road it's open, isn't it?
Vogel: No.
Borup: Okay. I'm thinking of a different one.
Vogel: If you have -- if it gets plugged or something you --
Borup: Okay. We can probably -- the applicant can answer that specifically, but --
whether it's on the property, but, no, they were --
Rohm: Okay. Thank you, sir. Before we ask the applicant to come back, is there
anybody else that has any question about this particular project? Any other testimony?
Would the applicant like to come back, please.
Elg: What you said is true when we come back with a full development concept plan
that's for final approval, we certainly understand that we can't impede or interrupt or
obstruct any of the flow -- any irrigation flows there. He's correct, there is a covered
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ditch up there. It is in -- it's the Nampa-Meridian or Settlers irrigation and that the
church was the end user on that, as the applicant explained to me just a moment ago.
And they have seceded their right to -- or at least a portion of the rights to this site here.
So, we will do whatever is necessary to make sure that irrigation water is protected and
preserved in that ditch. It may take some negotiations with ACHD as well and there will
be some coordination as we get that, so we don't obstruct the flow of irrigation.
Moe: So access will be available?
Elg: Yes.
Rohm: Okay. Thank you very much.
Newton-Huckabay: Mr. Chair?
Rohm: Commissioner Newton-Huckabay.
Newton-Huckabay: I just had a question for staff. Caleb, what -- is there an ordinance
that requires them to deliver water or --
Borup: State law.
Newton-Huckabay: -- or state law or -- and not interrupt the water usage?
Hood: Yeah. Mr. Chair and Commissioner Newton-Huckabay, there is a state law for
sure and there may be something in the Public Works section that talks about, you
know, where irrigation water enters your property and exits. You can't mess with those
two points. I don't know of anything in Meridian City Code. I know it's a state law, but
I'm not sure of state code, so I'm going to ask Mike if he --
Newton-Huckabay: Well, I just was aware of that legal responsibility by --
Cole: Mr. Chair, Commissioner Newton-Huckabay, there is a state statute that requires
that you deliver water from where it enters your property to where it leaves Your
property when you develop that, that you have to maintain historical flows from where it
enters and deliver it where it exits your property. Meridian City Code doesn't require
that, it requires that you tile any ditches that lie within that property and to comply with
all state statutes. We, in the past, just for a little bit of clarification, and it might help the
member in the audience, in the past we have required downstream user approval prior
to final plat signature. At times that's caused some headaches, because facilities are
already put in, it's costly to redirect them at that time. We since have a new policy
where prior to construction plan approval -- so even if they are doing a construction
without a plat involved, if they are doing just multiple buildings on one lot, as the UDC
allows, they still have to have the construction plans approved, sewer, water, and one of
the -- one of the requirements that we make them is submit written approval from the
downstream users prior to construction plan approval, so it's hatched out before it's in
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the ground. If it's a Settler's or a Nampa irrigation ditch, they have to provide something
from that district. If it's a downstream user, the next property downstream they are the
ones that have to get written permission from those people
Newton-Huckabay: Okay.
Rohm: Okay. Thank you.
Newton-Huckabay: Thank you very much.
Rohm: Any further discussion among the Commission on this application? Okay.
Moe: Mr. Chairman?
Rohm: Commissioner Moe.
Moe: I move that we close the Public Hearing on AZ 06-034.
Borup: Second.
Rohm: It's been moved and seconded to close the Public Hearing on AZ 06-034. All
those in favor say aye. Opposed same sign? Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Moe: Mr. Chairman?
Rohm: Commissioner Moe.
Moe: After considering all staff, applicant, and public testimony, I move to recommend
approval to the City Council of file number AZ 06-034 as presented in the staff report for
the hearing date of August 3rd, 2006. End of motion.
Newton-Huckabay: Second.
Borup: Second.
Rohm: It's been moved and seconded to forward onto City Council recommending
approval of AZ 06-034 to include the staff report. All those in favor say aye. Opposed
same sign? Motion carried. Thank you.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Item 5:
Public Hearing: AZ 06..033 Request for Annexation and Zoning of 7.6
acres from RUT (Ada County) to 6 acres of R-4 (Medium Low-Density