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correction that we made there. Then, in the revised Preliminary Plat that had-
been submitted, one of the longer blocks had been broken up by a micro-path
which eliminating the necessity of going for a variance on the block length. So
we needed to reflect that in the findings. Then there were some items with
regard to streets that referenced ACHD recommendations which needed to be
revised slightly and then referral reference to the proposed park which is actually
in proposed Autumn Faire Subdivision 2, which has not yet come before you, but
that needed to say Autumn Faire NO.2 and we had to make that correction. I
believe there was another one which had to do with when the stub, street, sewer
and water to the proposed park site would be constructed that we didn't have the
correct phase noted. So all of those things are not substitute - the major
(inaudible) changes just simply cleaning it up.
Anderson: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Anderson.
Anderson: I would make a motion that we approve the Findings of Facts and
Conclusions of Law and Decision of Order for the Preliminary Plat approval for
78.4 acres - 263 building lots and 12 other lots proposed by the Autumn Faire
Subdivision by Gem Star Properties with the comments the City Attorney has
incorporated.
De Weerd: Second.
Corrie: Motion made and seconded to approve the Findings of Facts and
Conclusions of Law on Item No. PP 00-009, Item G. with the comments of the
attorney included. Any further discussion? Hearing none. Roll-call vote, Mr.
Berg.
Roll-call: De Weerd, aye; Bird, aye; McCandless, aye; Anderson, aye.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Item H.
Tabled from September 5, 2000: Findings of Facts and
Conclusions of Law: VAC 00-005 Request for vacation of the
alley intersecting East 1 st between Pine Avenue and Idaho Street
on the east side currently in an aT zone for Generations Plaza by
Gary Benoit - East 1 st and East Pine Avenue:
Corrie: Okay. Item H was also pulled. This was tabled from the September 5,
2000 meeting -- Findings of Facts and Conclusions of Law - request for vacation
of the alley intersecting East 1 st between Pine Avenue and Idaho Street on the
east side currently in an aT zone for Generations Plaza by Gary Benoit -East
1 st and East Pine Avenue.
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Kuntz: Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Council. We had a meeting with the'
developer on September 6th and addressed a couple of issues that were still
outstanding that pertain to the Findings of Fact pertaining to this project. In the
memo that I gave you in the Pre-Council tonight - the biggest one is probably
Item NO.1 on that memo and I'll try and explain it as briefly as I can. The total
value of the vacated alley owned by ACHD is $10,400. Originally, we were
recommending that that entire amount be paid by the developer to ACHD. Since
that time and as a result of this meeting on the 6th, we plan on trading a
permanent easement through the City's existing parking lot on Pine Street
straight across for the vacated alley-way - the $10,400. In return, we will own
half of that vacated alley and the developer will own half of the vacated alley.
The developer will reimburse the City half of that cost, or approximately $5,200.
They felt it was unfair that they should have to pay for the City's half of the alley
when the City would still retain ownership of that alley. In a spirit of compromise,
the Parks Department would go along with that proposal with the understanding
that the developer is still responsible for the improvements and the maintenance
to the entire 16 feet of alley as already outlined in the Findings of Fact No. 10.3.
I've also attached a drawing of the alley improvement designs with an
approximate construction cost. Those construction costs would be born by the
developer. The other issues, too, just to clarify ahd add to these Findings of Fact
that the developer will pay for half of the cost to replace the sewer line now since
Public Works has designated it needs / should be replaced now prior to putting a
new surface down in that alley way. And No. 3 is more for information than
anything. We plan on having a meeting out at the site tomorrow with Idaho
Power and FCC to look at the turning radiuses out of those parking lots and into
the alley ways.
Corrie: Any questions, Council?
De Weerd: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mrs. De Weerd.
De Weerd: Mr. Kuntz, what was the flow plan that was approved by ACHD? The
flow plan is to enter the new parking lot that will be built by the developer off of
Pine Street, come to the back of the alley and turn left and exit through our
existing parking lot. In addition, the alley way will stay the same direction it is
now and it will exit through our parking lot. There will be "Do Not Enter" signs
posted at the end so you can't get into their new parking lot. You have to exit
through our parking lot.
Bird: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Tom, is that going to be a right-in and right-out?
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Kuntz: No, sir.
Bird: I think we need to discuss it with our Traffic Safety Committee and the
Police Department on that.
Kuntz: I think once we moved it down to egress from our parking lot, we're far
enough away from the intersection whether we're going to allow left and right
egress.
Bird: I've still got some concern because you have got people - you're bringing
in right in at theirs, which is only 60 - 70 feet off of the corner where their parking
lot will begin. You have one that stops there to turn in and the other one behind
it,.they're going to come and (inaudible) try somebody come out on the left. I'd
still like to look at it going right in and right out. I think before we make that
permanent, we need to check with our Traffic Safety Committee and our Police
Department.
Corrie: Chief, do you agree with that?
Gordon: I don't have a problem with that.
Corrie: Of course, the ultimate will be up to ACHD, but we can give them the
input from ours. Gary? Any other comments?
Bird: Mr. Mayor. I've just got one other. Is Mr. Benoit-
Corrie: Yes, he's here. Gary, would you come up here? I want to make sure
that we're all on the same page with you in agreement with this alley and
exchanging monies and what have you.
Benoit: Good evening, Mayor and Council. Gary Benoit, Stewart Laney Benoit
Company. I'll feel questions or make comments. I guess I would make, first of
all, comments and perhaps that will answer some of your questions. Thank you,
Tom and his department in meeting with the Mayor. We appreciate the
adjustments that were made in the Facts and Findings and we agree with all of it
as Tom had stated. More specifically, Keith, to answer your questions regarding
the right-in and right-out, we did have Larry Sales over here. As a matter of fact,
they went over and walked the site and looked at it and measured it. That's kind
of how we came up with that final configuration. The first driveway into our new
parking lot is a right-in only, and there is no exit out of it, and then the other one
would be a right or a left-hand turn. They felt like it was far enough back from the
intersection that they were comfortable with it. They did specifically look at that.
Bird: And you say it's right-in only. We're not going to cross traffic going in,
right? You say right-in only?
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Benoit: On the first driveway into our new parking lot is right-in, and then the exit
out of the City Parking Lot is a right or left.
Bird: But you can't come in left. You can't cross traffic coming into the parking
lot. Like if you're going west on Pine, and want to turn into your parking lot, can
you do that?
Benoit: Yes, you should be able to do that.
Bird: Well, then it's not right-in only.
McCandless: That would be left-in.
Bird: That would be left-in.
Benoit: Well, you're right.
Bird: I have some problems with the left coming in. That was my main concern.
If we don't have any left going out - but if you've got a car sitting there waiting for
other traffic to come, I think you're going to have a real bottleneck.
Benoit: I think they probably looked at that and anticipate that there be a lot of
traffic.
Bird: What do you got between the two - the entrance and the exit of ours -
What are you going to have? 100 feet between them? A couple of car lengths?
Benoit: Yes, about 85 feet.
Bird: About 85 feet - a couple of car lengths. I think you have a real bottleneck
and then 100'feet down, you've got a stoplight. I don't think it's anything to shut
a project down with, but I think it's something from safety viewpoint we need to
take a look at.
Benoit: I think their concern was probably more with the traffic that would be
heading east on Pine Street and turning into our parking lot. I don't know that
they gave a lot of consideration for traffic going west on that particular street.
You know there's ample stacking room. It's not like - the concern with stacking
up, if they stack ~ if they were going east on Pine Street and they started
stacking the distance between our driveway and our corner.
Bird: The only way you're going to stop that is right-in and right-out.
Corrie: Probably the only way you can do that is to put a barrier down the middle
of the street, because people are going to turn left into the parking lot -
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Bird: That's what I'm afraid of, Mayor, and I'm afraid that's going to-
Benoit: I would wonder if it isn't a situation that we could kind of watch, and if it
did become a hazard, that a barrier out in that street would solve that problem.
That wouldn't be as great a concern to us as being able to get in and turn off
right, because that's where most of the customers will come from.
Bird: I think it's something we ought to have our Traffic Safety Committee and
our Police Department involved to make sure that is the way and have it - you
know, like you say, watch it. If we have to change, we have to change. That's
my only concerns.
Corrie: Okay. That phone call that you've called me - that was what it was
about. Okay. Thank you.
Benoit: Any other questions?
Bird: You're just happy with these agreements now?
Benoit: Yes, we're fine with that.
Corrie: Thank you, Gary.
Bird: Is that what we're approving?
De Weerd: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mrs. De Weerd.
De Weerd: If there is no further comment, I am prepared to make a motion.
Corrie: Okay.
De Weerd: I move that we approve the Findings of Facts and Conclusions of
Law for request for a vacation of alley intersecting East 1st between Pine Avenue
and Idaho Street to include the memorandum from Tom Kuntz, dated September
19, 2000 and to incorporate the suggested changes into the findings.
Bird: Second.
Corrie: Motion made and seconded to approve the Findings of Facts and
Conclusions of Law - request for vacation of alley on V AC 00-005 and to include
the memo from Tom Kuntz and also the changes that were made. Any further
discussion? Hearing none. Roll, call vote, please.
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Roll-call: Bird, aye; McCandless, aye; Anderson, aye; De Weerd, aye.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Item 2.
Ordinance No. 890: AZ 00-014 Request for annexation and
zoning of 2.297 acres from R1 to R-4 for Randy Ware - Franklin
Road and Under Road:
Corrie: Alright. Into the Regular Agenda, Item NO.2 is the Ordinance No. 890
for request for annexation and zoning of 2.297 acres from R-1 to R-4 by Randy
Ware, Franklin Road and Under Road. Mr. Clerk, if you'll read Ordinance No.
890 by title only please.
Berg: Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of the Council. Ordinance No. 890. An
ordinance finding that certain land to be known as the Randy Ware property as
lies contiguous or adjacent to the City limits of the City of Meridian, County of
Ada, State of Idaho and finding that the owner has made a request for
annexation in writing to the Council and that said land be annexed to the City of
Meridian and zoning designated low-density residential district, R-4 and declaring
that said land be property. Legal description is described below: be a part of the
City of Meridian, County of Ada, State of Idaho repealing all ordinances,
resolutions, orders or parts thereof in conflict herewith and directing the City
Engineer to add said property to the official maps of the City of Meridian, Idaho
and directing the clerk of the City of Meridian to file a certified copy of the
ordinance and map of the area to be annexed with the Ada County Recorder,
Auditor, Treasurer and assessor and the State Tax Commission of the State of
Idaho pursuant to Idaho Code Section 50-223 and Section 63-2215.
Corrie: Okay. You've heard the reading of Ordinance No. 890 by title only. Is
there anyone from the audience who would like to have the Ordinance No. 890
read in its entirety? Okay. Hearing none. I'll entertain a motion on Ordinance
No. 890.
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Anderson: Mr. Mayor.
Corrie: Mr. Anderson.
Anderson: I would make a motion that we approve Ordinance No. 890 - a
request for annexation and zoning of 2.297 acres from R~1 to R-4 for Randy
Ware at the corner of Franklin Road and Linder Road with suspension of the
rules.
Bird: Second.
Corrie: Motion been made to accept Ordinance No. 890 - a request for
annexation and zoning, Item No.2, AZ 00-014 and to be approved with the