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Borup: Commissioner Zaremba.
Zaremba: I move the Public Hearing be closed.
Mathes: Second.
Borup: Motion and second. All in favor? Any opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Borup: Do we have a motion?
Zaremba: Mr. Chairman?
Borup: Commissioner Zaremba.
Zaremba: I move that we forward to the City Council recommending approval of PP 02-
017, request for Preliminary Plat approval of six building lots on 13.77 acres in a C-C
zone for Silverstone Subdivision No. 3 by Sundance Investments, southeast corner of
East Overland Road and South Eagle Road, to include all staff comments.
Mathes: Second.
Borup: Motion and second. All in favor? Any opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Item 6. Public Hearing: AZ 02-021 Request for annexation and zoning of 5.26
acres and rezone of 2.40 acres from RUT and R-4 zones to R-8 zone for
proposed Tully Cove Subdivision by Ted Mason -west of North Linder
Road and south of West Ustick Road:
Item 7. Public Hearing: PP 02-018 Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 39
building lots and 10 other lots on 7.30 acres in a proposed R-8 zone for
the proposed Tully Cove Subdivision by Ted Mason -- west of North
Linder Road and south of West Ustick Road:
Borup: Thank you. The next item is Public Hearing, AZ 02-021, request for annexation
and zoning of 5.26 acres and a rezone of 2.4 acres from RUT and R-4 zones to an R-8
zone for proposed Tully Cove Subdivision by Ted Mason. The adjoining application is
PP 02-018, request for Preliminary Plat approval of 39 building lots and 10 other lots on
7.3 acres in a proposed R-8 zone for the proposed Tully Cove Subdivision by Ted
Mason. This is at west of North Linder Road and south of Ustick, across from Tully
Park. We would like to open both these Public Hearings at this time and start with the
staff report.
McKinnon: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Members of the Commission. If I could, again,
direct your attention to the overhead. Showing you the location of the subdivision. As
you can see, it's directly across the street from Tully Park, which is located,
approximately halfway between Ustick and Cherry Lane on the Linder Road. The
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proposed subdivision has 36 attached single-farm
family homes. I'll go to the site plan really quick.
vacant field. Onto the Preliminary Plat. Within the
that he has got 36 building lots and three built
homes. Those three building lots -- there is one to
-- one in the north, one is located centrally, and
quick, it's --
Zaremba: That one?
McKinnon: Thank y ou. R fight t here. There a re
within the subdivision. The remainder of the sl
family homes. There are two somewhat large lal
square foot landscaped open area in the south ce
the northeastern -- northwestern, excuse me, co
9,000 square foot open space lot. Within the st
landscape buffer lots. All the homes within the su
onto open space or landscaped lots, they actin
actually front to the landscaped lots. Within the s~
a reduced street width, 29-foot street sections, a
sections and we, as staff, have no concerns wi
applicant has agreed to provide for no parking i
down in this corner where parking would only be a
supports the project. They have submitted a new i
received a copy of the revised plan. I have b
Highway District and you should have a copy of
stating that Ada County Highway District does nc
site plan. It was submitted to them. ACRD is in
support of this project as well and it provide:
Subdivision and it provides for multiple housing
space makes up approximately 8.5 percent of th
approve. One thing that we did have a problem v
the proposed landscape buffer on top of the bet
fence and the Landscape Ordinance does not allc
The removal of the three-foot tall fence from the
into compliance with all sections of the Meridian i
With that I would ask if there is any questions?
Borup: Questions from the Commission?
Zaremba: We have in our packet a copy of the
for an exception to the separation distance bei
that the a-mail that you just referenced alsc
.applicant wants that to be?
McKinnon: That's correct.
homes and three detached single-
It's just showing the location. It's a
preliminary the applicant has shown
fig lots that would not be attached
ated -- if I can get my pointer to work
one located, if I can remember right
three detached single-family h omes
bdivision, again, is attached single-
dscape lots, approximately an 8,000
itral portion of the property and up in
ner of the property there is about a
bdivision there is a number of open
division actually -well, actually front
ly do not front on each other, they
bdivision, the applicant has asked for
id ACHD has approved those street
i the reduced street sections. The
iainly on the 29-foot street sections
owed on one side of the street. Staff
;vised site plan. You should have all
.en in contact with the Ada County
he a-mail sent to me by Craig Hood
have any concerns with the revised
support of this project and we are in
a connection to the Turtle Creek
types within one project. The open
project. It is a project that we can
ith from an ordinance standpoint was
n they propose to have athree-foot
v fencing within the landscape buffer.
~ndscape buffer would bring this plat
itv Code and Subdivision Ordinance.
from the applicant to ACHD asking
two streets. Is it your assumption
rporates approval of the way the
Zaremba: Okay.
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Centers: And, Mr. Chairman --and this has been n issue in previous subdivisions with
narrower streets and the Fire Department issue- nd -- w hich I don't have a problem
with, but in that particular case they wouldn't instal no parking signs -- without me going
into your comments. Did you require no parking igns every so many feet and has the
applicant - or you didn't address that?
McKinnon: It's addressed -- the applicant has
provide for painted curbs. As far as signage --
got on his site plan that he would
Centers: Curb? Right.
McKinnon: Painted curb. For fire lanes.
Centers: Good.
McKinnon: One of the issues that we come dow
the street is that who is going to enforce that? If
is required to enforce that and then we are enfo
addressed that by providing the striping in the soy
around the cul-de-sac for no parking.
to with the no parking on one side of
~e city puts up the signs, then the city
Ing a subdivision. The applicant has
fern area and up in the northern area
Centers: Which is probably is better.
Borup: David, would that be addressed in ~he covenants? The homeowners
association would take care of maintenance on th painted curbing?
Centers: Good point.
McKinnon: I haven't looked through the CC&R's
Borup: Or does ACRD do that?
McKinnon: That would be something that the app
Borup: Okay. So that should be included, I assu
McKinnon: The applicant is here tonight and he
that.
Borup: Okay. Any other questions from the Con
make a presentation?
would do.
in --
Id be the best person to address
Would the applicant like to
'Mason: M r. C hairman, M embers of t he C omml
Rainford and I are co-developing this property.
1995. We h ave a n o ffice a t 4323 N orth Sharo
opportunity to address the Commission this eves
the neighborhood with the surrounding property
Tully Park and I have also attended a meetil
Association board meeting and have resolved a I
pion, my n ame is T ed M ason. Bob
Bob has owned this property since
D rive i n M eridian. I appreciate t he
~g. I have held several meetings in
owners. Both in their homes and at
~ of the Turtle Creek Homeowners
of the concerns and issues with the
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neighbors at that time - at those times. We
downsizing empty nesters here. The homes will
Above average finishes. We are targeting buys
many cases this will be their last home purchase
160,000 dollars. There is extensive landscaping
evening. The front yard landscape and the comn
be done in common, as will the snow removal, ti
dues, so homeowners will feel comfortable in lea
weeks or however long they choose to leave in
things will be looked after. We feel this is an ides
that we are targeting, because of the proximity to
this is a compatible -- compatible with the surroun
the Comprehensive Plan and I agree to all ~
respectfully request your approval this evening.
proposing single-story homes for
1,200 to 1,600 square feet in size.
who have owned a home and in
The homes will sell for 120,000 to
iat has been eluded to by staff this
n area landscape of each home will
t would be paid for by homeowners
ig their homes for a month or a few
~e winter or summer and know that
location for the retirees to downsize
idly Park and shopping and feel that
ng land uses and in compliance with
the staff report conditions and I
Borup: Any questions for Mr. Mason?
Centers: Yes, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Mason, do you intend to maybe take trades? Yes. I
know your project visually, because directly behin my office, which sits at Emerald just
east of Orchard, you came in and did an in-fill with the same type -you're going to have
townhouses built in duplex form.
Mason: Yes. That's correct.
Centers: And I think, what, you put in 16 to 18
there?
Mason: That's correct.
Centers: And I think most of them are sold.
Mason: Yes.
Centers: And I commend you with the idea and
the buyers recently and he was just ecstatic and
I think Meridian needs something like that. Your
tght -- and, in fact, I spoke to one of
was a downsize, empty nester, and
ation is -- you're lucky that it --
Borup: Would it be -- turn back to my question on
of the homeowner's maintenance?
Mason: Yes. It would be included in the CC&Rs.
Borup: Is it included at this point?
Mason: I don't --
Borup: Probably not.
painted curbs. Would that be part
Mason: Is it not at this point, but we can certainly include that.
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Borup: Okay. I agree with what Commissioner
that's probably -- do more good than the signs,
and faded, it wouldn't be any good at that point.
Mason: Thank you.
Borup: Do we have anyone else to testify on this
Centers: I think the applicant should be coma
He must have done his job and homework. We
Borup: I was going to comment on that, too,
neighborhood meetings prior to can accomplish.
Centers: Right.
Borup: Thank you for doing that.
Zaremba: Just as a comment, I'm not familiar
Centers mentioned earlier, but I can see this as a
higher density project than the ones around it
thoroughfare. There will be plenty of transportatic
building greater densities near the transportation o
it's a good design. They will benefit by being near
will eat up less farmland.
Centers: Well, in addition, irregardless of what
there is going to bean impact to o ur school sy
behind me and Mr. Mason's project, so we hay
impact the school, so -- I'd like to move that we cli
Zaremba: Second.
Freckleton: Mr. Chairman?
Borup: Mr. Freckleton.
Freckleton: If I could jump in, please.
Borup: Please do.
Freckleton: Hoping that - I had not seen the lar
ago. Looking at it, I'm noticing that they have ~
encroaching in an easement. There is an existir
runs right across here and comes down and then
through my packet here tonight and I don't see
Settler's Irrigation District as far as what kind of re
the applicant's representative could address that.
fters - I think had mentioned that
after 10 years and that's all gone
~. Thank you, Mr. Mason.
Seeing none --
d for meeting with the neighbors.
have any neighbors. That's great.
I think that shows what having the
Frith the project that Commissioner
food addition to Meridian. It's a little
and that's good, right on a major
i access on Linder Road and I think
rridors is a good idea. It sounds like
Tully Park and a few denser projects
ie school d istrict says, I d on't think
em, because I know the neighbors
got tax monies with no children to
the Public Hearing.
Iscape plan until just a few minutes
~t some building footprints that are
i piped Settler's Irrigation Ditch that
outh through Turtle Creek. I looked
that we have any comments from
uirements they would have. Maybe
Mathes: There is one in the packet from Settlers.
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Centers: I read that, too.
Freckleton: Is it brief? Could you read it?
Mathes: Sure. Settler's Canal currently is tiled along the northern boundary of the
property. The the and easement must be prote ted. It also appears that all storm
drainage will be retained on site. Therefore, no fu her review is necessary.
Freckleton: Okay so no encroachments would be
Zaremba: That just restricts the size and shape
within that easement.
building would be on --
Freckleton: Lot 12.
Zaremba: -- the lot where the pipe makes a turn.
Borup: Which would be 11 and 12; would that be
Freckleton: Yes, lot's 11 and 12. There is -- ~
middle of Lot 12 right up here, there is a ma
know, access issues to the manhole probably
it does make an angle change in the
in those people's backyard, so, you
j be addressed.
Zaremba: The hearing is still open, so please
Hornick: My name is Lance Hornick. I work for
address is 1117 Caldwell Boulevard in Nampa. EI
- it's hard to see the lot numbers -- pull out my vie
common lot. There is -- that's -- right there. The
that lot. The building in Lot 11 and 12 will be conl
The landscape plan that you may have had in fro
buildings with either be attached or detached
necessarily reflect the actual footprints of the b~
indicated. The homes will be designed to fit into 1
should be able to go ahead and access the back t
the west. We have got about 20 feet into the proF
a lot of these other developments and as Settler
have looked over the plan or the plat and they h,
review.
easure Valley Engineers. Business
tier we were talking about upthere -
~point here. Lot 13, as you see, is a
anal -- the canal does pass through
lured to stay outside that easement.
of you was a concept to show that
single-family homes. They don't
dings, just as the Commission has
ose areas. The Irrigation Company
that lot through that common lot on
rty line and that's not uncommon on
rigation has said in their letter, they
re no further comments or need for
Freckleton: Mr. Chairman, if I might, while he's
believe that there is an existing fence along the
project from the Turtle Creek common area. Acc
hard with that fence there. I would recommend
specifically notes the existence of that ditch
encroachments within the easement. There may
legal counsel to look into, but there may be a
something in the CC&Rs that -- for those two
existence of a pipe and the access to the pipe and
;ill up there, I would recommend -- I
north boundary that separates this
ss to that manhole would be kind of
iat there be a note on the plat that
Id the easement and restricts the
ie -- this may be something for their
- it might be a good idea to have
its, you know, that talks about the
he manhole can't be restricted.
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Centers: Well, again, providing access throng the common lot, Lot 13, would be
adequate, wouldn't it, Bruce? As he stated. From this property.
Zaremba: That gets you about -- that gets you (thin 20 feet of the manhole, but it
doesn't get you to the manhole, if I understand.
Borup: So you have got a common area -- you
Freckleton: Correct. But there is nothing to
boundary as well, so --
got a common area by Lot 13.
them from erecting a fence on this
Zaremba: Just to mull it through. Whatever is
has to stay short of that easement whatever bui
going to care for common area, might it not ma
and shorten that lot a little bit. So that the com
fence here, and would include the manhole in the
Freckleton: Mr. Chairman, Members of the Co
when we have a ditch like this we require that
common lot, but it's not even -- we don't allow an
lot. This one -- there is two lots that are affected.
would kill this back lot if you excluded that easem
would also create kind of a weird little hiding place
Mathes: How hard is it to move the manhole? Is
Freckleton: That's a big ditch.
Mathes: Oh. Okay.
Hornick: It would be extremely difficult to move tl
Zaremba: Yes and typically they want manholes
Hornick: Absolutely.
Borup: Will you state your name again, please?
reloped on this lot in particular, if it
a goes there, and the association is
sense to extend this common area
i area, this lot, actually goes to the
Ammon area.
fission, as you will recall, typically
easement area be included in a
~ementof a ditch across a building
affected pretty minimally. I think it
area and made it a common lot. It
ck there.
difficult?
manhole.
it changes direction.
Hornick: Excuse me. Lance Hornick, Treasure V Iley Engineers. It would be difficult to
move the manhole. The manhole is there, as you have indicated, specifically for
change in direction. What we could do is betwee Lots 12 and 13, make a requirement
that 'rf there is any type of fence, it would be a fen a with a removable section, so if any
type of maintenance is required, they could get a ehicle back in there for maintenance.
Centers: You mean 11 and 13.
Hornick: I mean between 12 and 13 you could a~cess that manhole. And there are no
other manholes on the --
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Centers: This is -- okay. I had it marked wrong. I have seen it on deeds, permanent
access easements. You could do that with lot 12 only. As Mr. Freckleton stated, if it
stayed on the plat, then the buyer of Lot 12 understands that with that -- and, you know,
you would have to consult your legal beagle, but permanent access for maintenance of
-that could be in the deed.
Hornick: Sure.
Centers: For Lot 12.
Hornick: And the way that the Irrigation District has that easement, it's there to protect
their rights to get in and maintain that.
Centers: Someone has the right to walk in that person's backyard is all that you're
telling the world when you record that.
Borup: Well, the deed that's already recorded is there, but I think a good reason to put it
in the plat is most people don't pay any attention --
Centers: When they buy it.
Borup: - to that and that's just --that's just further notification.
Freckleton: Mr. Chairman, that was simply the purpose that I had, was we just get it out
there for the world to see. They don't have to go and search a recorded document in
county records, it's right on the face of the plat, the buyer of that lot is going to see it, so
Hornick: We have no objection and we would be willing to put that note on the plat.
Bonap: I think that makes good sense.
Homick: If there is nothing else, Iwill --
Centers: Very good. Thank you.
Zaremba: Yes. I would support making sure that the buyer of that lot has no surprises.
Centers: We have a motion and a second.
Borup: Yes, we do. I'm sorry.
Centers: That's all right. I just wanted to remind you.
Zaremba: Call the motion.
Borup: We have a motion and second. All in favor? Any opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
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Borup: That motion was to close the Public Hearing; right?
Zaremba: Correct. On both items.
Borup: Right. Do we want a little bit of discussion before we formulate a motion or are
we ready? We discussed the note on the plan for access on lot --
Centers: Well -- and I think specifically it should be on Lot 12.
Borup: Yes.
Centers: On the plat. Right on the Lot 12, that -- however the legal person wants to
word it, that the Settler's Irrigation District h as access to their canal via the manhole
cover in the back.
Borup: Right. The plat shows the easement, but a note saying that they do have an
access --
Centers: To come and maintain the -
Wollen: Excuse me, Commissioner Centers. Would that be on both Lot 11 and 12?
Centers: Not my understanding.
Freckleton: Mr. Chairman, I would recommend putting it on both lots. In the note
reference both lots. The easement goes right across both lots -- the manhole is on Lot
12, but Imean -
Borup: Right. The pipeline is the whole way.
Freckleton: Exactly. It isn't a big issue when it's a common lot, but there is two home
lots there that -- I think it's --Imean if you can reference one, it's just as easy to
reference two. Make reference to the recorded easemeht document in that note, the
instrument number. That would be right on the final plat as well.
Centers: Which, Dave, and his department, approved anyway, so -- well, I'd like to
make a motion, Mr. Chairman.
Borup: Commissioner Centers.
Centers: I'll make a stab at it. I'd recommend approval to City Council of Item 6, AZ 02-
021, request annexation and zoning of 5.26 acres and rezone 2.4 acres from RUT and
R-4 zones to R-8 zone for proposed Tully Cove Sub by Ted Mason, west of North
Linder Road and south of West Ustick Road, including all staff comments.
Zaremba: Second.
Borup: And by staff comments, did you mean the item on -never mind. I'm sorry.
just caught on. We have a motion and second. All in favor? Any opposed?
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MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Borup: Thank you.
Centers: And continuing, I would like to recommend approval to the City Council on
Item 7, PP 02-018, request for Preliminary Plat approval of 39 building lots and 10 other
lots on 7.30 acres in a proposed R-8 zone for the proposed Tully Cove Subdivision by
Ted Mason. It is west of North Linder Road and south of West Ustick Road and -- with
a time out here. The acreage doesn't total up. In the annexation and zoning, we have
7.66 acres and in the Preliminary Plat agenda, we have 7.30:
Freckleton: Mr. Chairman, Members of the Commission, the reason for that is because
the legal description for annexation and zoning includes adjacent right of way.
Centers: Okay.
Freckleton: The legal description for a plat is exclusive of the right of way.
Centers: Okay. Thank you. Continuing on and recommend approval of the
aforementioned, including all staff comments and, in addition, the Final Plat would have
wording across Lots 11 and 12 noting to potential buyers that the Settler's Irrigation
District requires access through their property or would require access through their
property should they need to go in and maintain the pipe and canal. End of motion.
Zaremba: Second.
Borup: Motion and second. Any discussion? All in favor? Any opposed?
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES
Item 8. Public Hearing: CUP 02-025 Request for a Conditional Use Permit for a
wireless communications facility consisting of a 125 foot monopole and
supporting equipment in an I-L zone for Verizon Wireless by Mericom
Corporation - 3735 North Ten Mile Road:
Borup: Thank you. Item Number 8, Public Hearing CUP 02-025, a request for
Conditional U se P ermit for a wireless communication facility consisting of a 1 25 foot
monopole and supporting equipment in an I-L zone for Verizon Wireless by Mericom
Corporation at 3735 North Ten Mile Road. We would like to open this Public Hearing
and start with the staff report.
McKinnon: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Members of the Commission. Again to the
overhead. The site that we are going to be discussing tonight for a new cell tower is
located adjacent to the City's Wastewater Treatment Plant, the highlighted portion of the
map in front of you. The bolded area is the Ten Mile Mini Storage area and that's where
the proposed cell tower would go. The proposed cell tower would be approximately 650
feet to the west of Ten Mile Road. Here is a picture of the site. Currently on the site
Ten Mile Mini Storage is constructed to this point. It's about 600 and some odd feet
back from Ten Mile. The proposed cell towerwould be located adjacent to -- a few