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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1995 07-18 MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL AGENDA TUESDAY, JULY 18,1995 - 7:30 P.M. CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING HELD JULY 5,1995: (APPROVED) 1. TABLED JUNE 20, 1995: REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION AND ZONING OF C-G FOR 74 ACRES BY E.L. BEWS: (TABLED UNTil AUGUST 1,1995) 2. TABLED JUNE 20, 1995: PUBLIC HEARING FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR MIXED, PLANNED BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIAL LAND USES BY E.l. SEWS: (TABLED UNTIL AUGUST 1,1995) 3. TABLED JULY 5,1995: FINAL PLAT FOR lOS ALAMITOS PARK SUBDIVISION NO.2, BY FARWEST DEVELOPERS: (APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS) 4. TABLED JULY 5, 1995: FI NAL PLAT FOR SALMON RAPIDS SU BDIVISION NO.2, BY FARWEST DEVELOPERS: (A PROVED WITH CONDITIONS) 5. FINAL PLAT: HAVEN COVE SUBDIVISION NO.5, 74 LOTS BY INTERWEST DEVELOPMENT: (APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS) 6. FINAL PLAT: WATERBURY PARK SUBDIVISION NO.5, 52 LOTS BY RAMON YORGASON: (TABLED UNTil AUGUST 1,1995) 7. TABLED JUNE 20, 1995: REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION AND ZONING OF 39.87 ACRES TO R-4 BY PNE/EDMONDS CONSTRUCTION (PACKARD SUBDIVISION: (APPROVED AMENDED FINDINGS; CITY ATTORNEY TO PREPARE AN ORDINANCE) 8. PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR PACKARD SUBDIVISION BY PNE/EDMONDS CONSTRUCTION: (TABLED UNTIL PROPERTY IS ANNEXED) 9. PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION AND ZONING OF 20.67 ACRES TO C-G BY W. H. MOORE: (APPROVED FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW; CITY ATTORNEY TO PREPARE AN ORDINANCE) 10. PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION AND ZONING OF .65 ACRE TO C-G BY LEEANN LONGSON: (APPROVE FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW; CITY ATTORNEY TO PREPARE AN ORDINANCE) 11. PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE FOR ENGLEWOOD SUBDIVISION BY REWABHAI PATEL: (CITY ATTORNEY TO PREPARE FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW) 12. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO OPERATE A RETAIL BAKERY BY ROBERT PREECE: (APPROVED FINDNIGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW; APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT) 13. REQUEST FOR A ONE YEAR EXTENSION OF THE APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR CHAMBERLAIN ESTATES NO.2 BY KEVIN HOWELL: (APPROVED) 14. NON-DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR SUMMERFIELD SUBDIVISION NO.2: (APPROVED) 15. COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS FOR BEDFORD PLACE: (APPEROVED) 16. DEPARTMENT REPORTS: A. GARY SMITH, CITY ENGINEER: 1. BID OPENING RESULTS - WELL NO. 16 PUMP/PUMP HOUSE: (APPROVED TURN KEY INC.) 2. PICNIC SHELTER RESERVATION FEE: (CITY ATTORNEY TO PREPARE A RESOLUTION) 3. WATER SYSTEM: 4. SEWER LINE INSEPCTION: 17. EXECUTIVE SESSION: MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL JULY 18. 1995 The regular meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order by Mayor Grant P. Kingsford at 7:30 P.M.: MEMBERS PRESENT: Walt Morrow, Max Yerrington, Bob Corrie, Ron Tolsma: OTHERS PRESENT: Wayne Crookston, Will Berg, Gary Smith, Shari Stiles, Robert Preece, Kevin Thompson, Glenn Bentley, David Maloney, Marty Goldsmith, Dale Sharp, Helen Sharp, Lee Longson, Richard Jewell, Doc Schlekeway, Paul Geil, Ted Hutchinson, Becky Bowcutt MINUTES FROM PREVIOUS MEETING HELD JULY 5, 1995 MEETING: Kingsford: Are there any corrections to those minutes? Tolsma: Mr. Mayor I move they be approved as written. Yerrington: Second Kingsford: Moved by Ron, second by Max to approve of the July 5th minutes, all those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea Kingsford: The first item on the agenda, I want to acknowledge a citizen for exemplary behavior. This is a letter I received from the Chief of Police and it let them have a certificate printed up. It is to Mr. Walt Casey, who is present, I would like to thank you for your assistance on June 21 st, 1995. It is not everyday that a citizen is willing to assist an officer, especially one involved in a struggle with a suspect. Your civic concern and readiness to help one of our officers is very appreciated by every member of this department especially corporal Steve Bradley, the officer involved. Corporal Bradley wishes to pass on his thanks as well. He stated that had it not been for your help and that of another man, an off duty police officer from Boise he may not have been able to complete his request without some injury to the suspect and/or himself. Thank you for being so truly conscientious and concerned citizens. Sincerely Bill Gordon. So with that I want to ask Mr. Walt Casey to come forward and we have this little certificate of appreciation that says this certificate is presented in appreciation for your assistance to the Meridian Police Department and their officers. Your courageous action is an example of your fine citizenship to this community. The City of Meridian greatly appreciates your exemplary effort. Also, while we are doing the good things, when the School Board meets here they call this the good news I guess, the City Clerk has been to the Risk Management seminar and has come back courtesy of ICRMP this certificate of achievement. So Will Berg, your City Clerk has obtained the Risk Management completion of this program and saves the City of Meridian $100, in fact they sent us a check. So a little hand for Mr. Berg. Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 2 ITEM #1: TABLED JUNE 20,1995: REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION AND ZONING OF C- G FOR 74 ACRES BY E.L. BEWS: ITEM #2: TABLED JUNE 20, 1995: PUBLIC HEARING FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR MIXED, PLANNED BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIAL LAND USES BY E.L. SEWS: Kingsford: We have been requested that they be tabled again until the next meeting. This is from both the applicant and from ACHD. (Inaudible) Kingsford: I have about 8 different correspondences from them so which is the last one? Yerrington: So we would have to table it until our first meeting in September. Kingsford: I think Mr. Sews requests though was August 1 st and he is the applicant. So it would be appropriate I think to table until them. If that requires further tabling from there it needs to come from the applicant. Yerrington: I would make the motion, so moved to table until the next meeting August 1 st. Corrie: Second Kingsford: Moved by Max, second by Sob to table items 1 and 2, the Sews annexation and zoning and public hearing for planned unit development until the August 1 st meeting, all those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea ITEM #3: TABLED JULY 5, 1995: FINAL PLAT FOR LOS ALAMITOS PARK SUBDIVISION NO.2, BY FARWEST DEVELOPERS: Kingsford: I think I saw the developer, does the Council have questions of him? Corrie: Mr. Mayor, did we get the pressurized irrigation systems squared off that the homeowners or the irrigation ditch companies responsibility? Goldsmith: Yes, that is squared off but that is not the homeowners or the irrigation districts responsibility. The FHA and VA have approved the subdivision and there really wasn't any significant hold up there with financing on any of the homes. Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 3 Morrow: The question is who provides the pressurized irrigation system? Goldsmith: I do Morrow: What does I do mean? Goldsmith: I own the pressurized irrigation system? Morrow: And for how long? Goldsmith: Until I choose to give it to the homeowners or just maintain the system. Morrow: What is the line of thinking behind that? Goldsmith: Potentially making some money there, I would be providing a service, somebody is going to have to provide that service. Morrow: Who regulates the rates? Goldsmith: No one that I am aware of. Morrow: So in other words the homeowners that buy in there will be held hostage by the pressurized irrigation system that you own and subject to the rates that you choose to charge? Goldsmith: I would sure be willing to set a rate, until this point I haven't charged anything, I was trying to get homes, like say 45 in the first phase set up so that I can establish what the running costs were off of records as opposed to a swag figure. Kingsford: Have you checked with the powers that be, is that not something that would be need to be regulated by the public utilities commission? Goldsmith: That is a distinct possibility, it is as you guys know in a gray area there. I will conform to the powers that be. Kingsford: I don't know about the Council's feeling, but it was certainly not the intent of us requiring pressurized irrigation to set up a bunch of entrepreneurs in the water system. I think that is something that ought to belong to the homeowners, but that is a Council decision. Morrow: I think very candidly from my perspective is that I am not willing to approve any Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 4 further action on either this subdivision Los Alamitos or Salmon Rapids until the issue is resolved. I think there is a whole lot of gray area here, I did meet with Bill Henson and visited with him concerning this. The question is with respect to water and irrigation water availability there is surplus water within the Nampa Meridian Irrigation District that can be filed upon and supplied to these grounds. Between the two I am not willing to have a private, my suspicion is that also that the PUC probably does not regulate irrigation water issues. Having said that I think that we need to have as a Council and as a City more than adequate background information checked out by legal counsel. The other thing is that I am not willing to put the homeowners in there at somebody's mercy in the future with respect to those water issues. Quite candidly could the price of water become high enough that they no longer use it, the answer is yes. It defeats the purpose of pressurized irrigation ordinance. So, those folk would be coming back on to using City water that is becoming a very precious commodity to irrigate lawns if the price is too high. It sounds to me like in this issue there is no point of control and so I am not willing at this point to move either one of these projects further along until these issues are resolved. Goldsmith: What issue exactly did you want resolved there Walt? Morrow: I want the issue of the pressurized irrigation resolved so that it is not privately owned and so that it is administered either by Nampa Meridian Irrigation District or by the homeowners association of the subdivision. The same as any other subdivision within the City of Meridian. I am not going to support any privately owned pressurized irrigation system. And that states my position. Goldsmith: Are there any other issues on Los Alamitos? Morrow: Only those issues brought forth by staff and those types of things. Kingsford: I believe you have that letter from staff outlining the conditions that they have, what had not been met. Goldsmith: Is staff happy with Los Alamitos other than the pressurized irrigation I guess would be one of my questions. Kingsford: Gary, have all of those conditions been met to your satisfaction on Los Alamitos? I suppose we could speak to Salmon Rapids in the same breath. Smith: Their engineer has addressed the comments that I made. Kingsford: To you satisfaction, Shari do you have anything? Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 5 (Inaudible) Kingsford: So at issue then seems to be the water. Smith: One other thing I might mention Mr. Mayor, Council, Public Works Department has taken a policy, established a policy that on the pressurized irrigation situation the subdivision is supplied water in their pressurized irrigation system from a well we have not been allowing any connections of the lots to the City domestic system for water. The reason for that is the well water is always available or should always be available. It is not a seasonal thing like ditch water is. So in order to help us with the back flow prevention devices and monitoring all of those things we just said you have well water in your subdivisions for a pressurized system, there is no reason that you should be connecting to the City system for water Kingsford: For irrigation water? Smith: Correct. Kingsford: Any other comments then on the pressurized irrigation issue? It seems to be the only issue then. Goldsmith: The only thing we have to work out is the pressurized irrigation for both of those subdivisions. Kingsford: And of course before the plat is signed all of those things that your engineer has agreed to would have to be accomplished. Goldsmith: I think that they were basic. At this time I can commit to you to signing your non-development agreement or your development agreement that I would give that pressurized irrigation system over to the homeowners. Kingsford: Any other questions of Council? What is the Council's pleasure? Corrie: Mr. Mayor, I would, seeing that there are no other problems with this subdivision with staff and ourselves other than this I would move that the final plat for Los Alamitos Park Subdivision be approved with the following conditions, that all the conditions set forth by staff have been met. Also the irrigation, pressurized irrigation system is taken over by the homeowners association and we have documentation to that effect before the final plat is signed. Yerrington: Second Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 6 Kingsford: Moved by Bob, second by Max to approve of the final plat of Los Alamitos Park Subdivision NO.2 conditioned upon all the conditions of staff being met and the irrigation issue being resolved and taken over by the homeowners association, any discussion? All those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea ITEM #4: TABLED JULY 5,1995: FINAL PLAT FOR SALMON RAPIDS SUBDIVISION NO.2 BY FARWEST DEVELOPERS: Kingsford: Any questions of the developer on that? Tolsma: I think the same issue was the hold up on that wasn't it? Kingsford: I believe so, irrigation is the same issue in that is it not Marty? Does staff have any other comments on Salmon Rapids other than the irrigation? Smith: I have none Mr. Mayor. Kingsford: Shari, have your comments been met? Stiles: Yes, with the exception of, as with Los Alamitos they both need to have the development agreements updated. I imagine we can take care of the pressurized irrigation at that time. Morrow: I think Mr. Mayor, I have a question with respect to Item 5 on page 2 of Gary Smith's comments, site specific comments. My question is that under item 5 it says all buildable lots for single family dwellings only, each dwelling unit shall have a minimum floor area of 1400 square feet excluding the garage area. Any houses within SOD, what is the rest of that paragraph, within 500 what? Stiles: That would be any within 500 of Meridian Greens which was a condition of the phase 1 plat. Morrow: Does that apply to this also? Stiles: Yes Morrow: And what does the within 500 feet mean, that Stiles: Five hundred feet of the boundaries of Meridian Greens. I think that, I am not sure Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 7 if their covenants address that. Wayne Crookston went through something with Marty's attorney. Kingsford: Those things dealt with sizes were larger and also had a restriction on roof construction did they not? Morrow: I think my question was that there seems to have been some feedback to whether or not they were single level homes and the square footage requirement in that 500 feet was higher than the 1400 square feet and it is my understanding that there was at least one home that was built. Kingsford: That was Hunts Bluff, same developer but a different development. Morrow: Okay, and my question is that is it clearly spelled out within these documents if the same thing applies? Smith: Mr. Mayor and Councilman Morrow, let me read you this note on the plat and what we did when we reviewed this is we didn't show the whole sentence, we just showed a correction for a portion of that sentence. That is why it is unclear. Note number 5 on the plat states, "This subdivision is subject to the requirements of the Uniform Building Code, USC as regulated by the City of Meridian. All buildable lots are for single family dwellings only, each dwelling unit shall have a minimum of 1400 square feet excluding the garage area and any houses within 500 feet of Meridian Greens shall be a minimum of 1500 square feet." So there was a restriction on that. Morrow: Was the 1500 square feet and there was no reference in the testimony where that they would be single level or multi-level homes? Smith: I can't answer that, I don't know. Morrow: And the other issue is that I believe that Mr. Goldsmith needs to state that he will also with the pressurized irrigation system for this subdivision turn that over to either the homeowners association or Nampa Meridian Irrigation District. Goldsmith: Yes I will turn over the pressurized irrigation system, that is retroactive through phase 1 as well. Kingsford: Any other questions? Morrow: No, that is it. Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 8 Kingsford: Shari, do you recall, was there any discussion with regard to the single story or two story in this subdivision? Stiles: Mr. Mayor and Council I don't recall any testimony on this particular subdivision. The people in Kachina Estates were more concerned about the fencing and screening them and making sure they weren't involved with their properties in any way. Kingsford: And that was part of your conditions that they have agreed to am I right? Stiles: Yes Kingsford: What is the Council's pleasure? Corrie: Mr. Mayor, I move that we approve the final plat for Salmon Rapids subdivision with the following conditions that there will be an updated agreement signed that the pressurized irrigation system will be turned over to the homeowners association and then all the other areas of comments from staff be approved and taken care of before this final plat is signed. Tolsma: Second Kingsford: Moved by Bob, second by Ron to approve of the final plat by Salmon Rapids subdivision NO.2 conditioned upon the updated development agreement, pressurized irrigation being turned over to the homeowners association or Nampa Meridian and staff conditions being met. Any discussion? All those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea ITEM #5: FINAL PLAT: HAVEN COVE SUBDIVISION NO.5, 74 LOTS BY INTERWEST DEVELOPMENT: Kingsford: Does the Council have any question of the developer or his agent? Morrow: General questions from both Shari and Gary that they are satisfied with the response from Mr., their engineer Dave Collins? I noticed here in the site specific there were almost 20 some items, 19 items site specific and 7 general comments. Have those things been addressed by Mr. Collins satisfactorily? Smith: Mr. Mayor, Councilman Morrow, I talked to Dave on the telephone today and we reviewed some of the items and I received a fax from him this afternoon in written form and made comments to our comments. I think we have a couple of things to iron out but Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 9 nothing of a serious nature. So yes he as addressed my review comments. Morrow: And the pressurized irrigation is covered in this subdivision also? Smith: Yes Morrow: Thank you Kingsford: Mr. Geile, is the plat that you had, the one that we are talking about, would you come up please, for the record Paul Geile. We have been known to have 2 or 3 different plats and I want to make sure that the one you were looking was the last one that you had seen. Geile: I eventually found the correct plat and as it stands now it was a plat that we had hashed over before and we had had input on. As far as we are concerned as neighbors directly east of that location that the main issues of locations of the road and depth of sewer were our primary concerns. I believe if everything happens as it has been stated to me that it will happen and is supposed to happen from an engineering standpoint that that plat as it stands is okay by us. Other things have been known to happen. In looking at the plat that I saw this afternoon] that plat is acceptable to us in terms of road location. Kingsford: Thank you, Mr. Smith. Smith: I want to reiterate that the final plat that was submitted is in conformance with the preliminary plat that was approved previously that had the public hearings, nothing has changed. Kingsford: I just bring that up because we have had plats that have changed and have been dealing with 4 or 5 different copies. Smith: I understand that and I again will say that the City Engineer will not sign that final plat unless it conforms to your approved preliminary. Morrow: Mr. Mayor, in our box this evening there was a note from Shari with 4 items on it, my question would be to her, have those items been addressed to your satisfaction or do you feel they are just technical items that can be handled? Stiles: Councilman Morrow, and Council my main concerns were the frontages on the lots that they didn't' appear to meet the ordinance and that it would take quite a bit of redesign to do them. They have indicated that these lots do meet the 40 foot chord requirement Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 10 whether some of them are easily buildable lots is another question. This is essentially the exact same plat we got that was approved as a preliminary. Kingsford: Any other questions Mr. Morrow? What is your pleasure? Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I move that we approve the final plat for Haven Cove Subdivision No. 5 by Interwest Developers subject to all of staff and ACHD staff conditions. Yerrington: Second Kingsford: Moved by Walt, second by Max to approve of the final plat by Haven Cove Subdivision NO.5 by Interwest Development subject to all staff requirements being met as well as all ACHD requirements being met, discussion? All those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea ITEM #6: FINAL PLAT: WATERBURY PARK SUBDIVISION NO.5, 52 LOTS BY RAMON VORGASON: Kingsford: Does the Council have any questions on that? Morrow: Mr. Mayor there was a letter in our box with a question that, in tonight's box requesting that this be tabled for a period of two weeks. Kingsford: Entertain that motion. Tolsma: So moved Morrow: Second Kingsford: Moved by Ron, second by Walt to table Waterbury Park NO.5 until the next meeting, all those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Vea ITEM #7: TABLED JUNE 20,1995: REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION AND ZONING OF 39.87 ACRES TO R-4 BY PNE/EDMONDS CONSTRUCTION (PACKARD SUBDIVISION): Kingsford: Does Council have questions about that? Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I would like to see a brief presentation, in the last presentation that Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 11 was before us it was for, I think the issue there was it was tabled because there was not a preliminary plat. Kingsford: The next item is a public hearing on that. Morrow: I understand that, I guess my question here is are we asking to do the zoning and the annexation prior to the hearing of the preliminary plat? Is that where we are at with this? Crookston: Excuse me Mr. Mayor, the situation is that the public hearing hearing on this first item has been held it was tabled because the second item was coming before the Council and it was felt that the City Councll was better off to deal with them all together. Kingsford: So it would appear that it would be most prudent to go ahead with the public hearing, take the annexation then after it. Crookston: That would be appropriate, you should table this matter until the conclusion of item #8 is heard and depending upon what you do with item #7 you could continue that table until the Council wanted to act upon both of them. Kingsford: I entertain a motion to table item 7 until after item 8. Yerrington: So moved Morrow: Second Kingsford: Moved by Max, second by Walt to table item 7 until item 8 is heard, all those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea ITEM #8: PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR PACKARD SUBDIVISION BY PNE/EDMONDS CONSTRUCTION: Kingsford: At this time I will open that public hearing and invite the owner or his designee to speak first. Ted Hutchinson, 109 South Fourth Street, Boise, was sworn by the City Attorney. Hutchinson: Mr. Mayor and members of the Council, this is the preliminary plat for Packard Subdivision No.1, I believe you should have that in your packet. If it is alright I Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 12 do have an overhead that shows that, let me set that up real quick. This is a preliminary plat layout for Packard Subdivision No. 1 we are just under 40 acres. We are proposing that this be annexed and zoned R-4 and that the development of this parcel would be in accordance with the regulations and the comprehensive plan that regulate development in the R4 zone. The primary access to this is in the southwest corner of the development along Hickory Avenue. Now, Hickory Avenue extends into through Dove Meadows to this point right here. Just south of what was proposed to be Dove Meadows No.2, now Dove Meadows NO.2 has expired however, I believe Mr. Leader is looking at his options of re- developing that. The owners of this ground, the Packard property, before they submitted the application had obtained an easement from Mr. Leader. It is an easement that is a temporary easement would expire upon the dedication of a public road right of way. So we do have access and it is part of our plan that regardless of whether or not Dove Meadows goes through we will work with Mr. Leader to get that ground dedicated as a public road right of way. We will construct those improvements and our access will be complete from Fairview Avenue into the development. This is a copy of the easement that was entered into regarding the access. Now it is a 50 foot wide easement however we are going to re- negotiate that with Mr. Leader to make certain that it is at least 60 feet wide to accommodate a collector status street. Then that will be our primary access into the development. There is a secondary access, Meadowood Drive which connects to I believe that is Wingate Place Subdivision which is immediately west. That has been final platted, the road that is dashed on, to the west of the subdivision has been constructed. That interconnects through that subdivision and Kearny Place and then extends out to Chateau which extends out to Locust Grove. So we do have two access points in and out of this. Traffic study's indicate that once that connection of Hickory Avenue is completed that some of the traffic that currently goes down Chateau will re-route through this and go onto Hickory particularly when there is a signalized intersection at the intersection of Hickory and Fairview Avenue. As a brief history of this, I am sure you are aware, you recall that we brought this before you once before. It was more or less a grid pattern and for some reason we met with some opposition to the grid pattern that we had proposed. We had also proposed about a 5 acre park that would have been maintained by the homeowners association. The only way that we were able to come up with that five acres and still have a usable viable proposal was to go with the grid system. However, because we met with some opposition we made some alterations and offset this at about 45 degrees and when you start changing your street pattern like that you tend to lose some of your options as far as being able to put together large chunks of ground. We have however, established 2 smaller pocket parks in there that are interconnected so that you can get from one part of the subdivision through to the other part of the subdivision with minimal traffic on the public streets. These are large enough that I believe that the total acreage in just the tow large parks is a little over an acre. I believe that is enough ground to provide for some recreational space for those people who live within this subdivision. We are proposing some additional pocket parks, some landscape green areas. And we are proposing a Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 13 landscape scheme throughout the development. It will be incorporated into the covenants of the subdivision. This is the entryway, it is going to be nicely landscaped, sidewalk separated from the main right of way at the initial portion. Then you come into the subdivision, there will be a landscape and pond area. But the street scheme along here is going to be regulated in the covenants. The locations of the driveways will be specified, there will be a specific landscape treatment or driveway treatment for the individual driveways. Also a specific landscape treatment requirement including the landscape easement along each of those which would be maintained by the homeowners as part of the covenants. It will be carried through this subdivision so that each will have a tree lined streets very early on in the development. That will all be incorporated into the open space scheme that we have for this particular development. We are asking for an R-4 which is what the comprehensive plan provided for in tbls particular area. It specified that it would be residential development, something that is compatible with the existing and surrounding development. We originally looked at R-8 because the neighboring subdivisions to the west are R-8, Wingate Place, Kearney Place, I believe even those farther north are zoned R-8 and have the smaller lots. When we looked at this and spoke with you and the staff and the previous public hearings during this it was decided that the R-8 is not feasible. That there is more than enough R-8 ground in Meridian and that you would like to have more of the larger lots. So we went with the R-4, we have a mix of lots within this development. Some of them are 8,000 square feet, however the majority of them are much larger. To provide a buffer along Carol Subdivision which are acre lots we have some rather deep lots and we are including an additional set back requirement that is above and beyond what the City of Meridian has for their setback requirement to add some additional space back there so that you don't get, so that the residents of Carol don't feel like they are being encroached upon. We will also fence the perimeter of this development. Any ditches that cross will also be tiled or appropriately fenced. It is going to be a quality development, I don't believe it is going to be because of the lot size and the minimum house size requirement. You won't really be looking at starter homes there, it is just not going to be feasible. We colored up a preliminary plat to show the lot break out of this. The gray lots that you see here, they are from 8,000 to 10,000 square feet in size. The next shade color is lots that are 10,001 to 15,000 square feet. And you see there are quite a number of those interspersed. Lots 15,000 and up are the darker colors in here. Then the common area and also the location of the landscape easement which I spoke to before so it is all tied in together. So that this is a quality development. Kingsford: Ted if I may, both of those, if you would show the audience, public hearing I am sure that would have some influence on testimony that will be forthcoming. Hutchinson: This is the one that shows the break out of the lot sizes, the various lot sizes are indicated on the color chart. Then the landscape easement adjacent to (inaudible). We did have quite a mix of lot sizes as I stated they run from 8,000 square feet to well over Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 14 15,000 square feet. This proposal is the landscape plan that will be incorporated throughout the subdivision with the tree lined streets that will be in part of the covenants that this will be maintained by the individual homeowner. As required by Meridian City code we will incorporate a pressurized irrigation system for this development and that will maintained by the homeowners association. Any of the common open space areas will also be maintained by the homeowners association. This display is the entire section, Section 14. This pretty much shows how that section is developed or is proposed to develop. There are a couple of items that are not on here that of interest and would have bearing on this particular development. This corner is the Fred Meyer site right here and right over in here there is another commercial site which has been approved or is proposed I am not sure what the status of the approval is on that. The residential development is sound through the majority of this section. We beHeve that we are compatible with those existing residential developments. We asked specifically for the R-4 in this development because of the way the Meridian Ordinance reads. This one was prepared basically for reference for the CounciL This will show our property in relationship to those other properties, other subdivisions in the area and principally those who are going to testify before you tonight, this shows where some of those people, particularly along Wingate Lane. Wingate Lane the easement for Wingate Lane stops right here at the center of the section. So this development, this portion that is before you tonight will not affect Wingate Lane. Our proposed future development which is still before the Planning and Zoning Commission will have an affect on that area. We are trying to put our heads together collectively with the Highway District to come up with a solution on how we are going to deal with the traffic that is going to be generated on all of this. Again, the traffic study that is done indicates that the existing proposed street connections within this development are adequate to handle the traffic and will actually accommodate some additional traffic as I indicated from Wingate and Kearney that would come out rather than go out through Chateau in an effort to go east into the City of Boise. We believe that adequate conditions of approval can be established by the council which would address any concerns that you might have particularly with regard to sewer or water, landscape easements, pressurized irrigation. I think that you will find that this is a quality development that will be a great addition to the City of Meridian. The nice thing about this particular site is that it is already in close, we are not asking that we make some shoestring annexation or some far stretch to incorporate this piece of ground. Your city limits forms the western boundary and the southern boundary of this already. This is a logical extension of you current city limits and it definitely is in conformance with your comprehensive plan. The preliminary plat was designed to comply with the regulations that you have for the R-4 development. In fact I think we exceed your minimum standards in many areas within this development. So, I think we have addressed the major issues, one is the access. We are providing the access, we will complete Hickory Way, we have the access in hand, we don't have to go out and try to negotiate this. This has been in place since 1994. We have that access, all we have to do is once we get the dedication we will build it. That access will be there it is Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 15 not a question of if but just a matter when this is approved that access will be built. It will be our primary access, we are going to landscape that so that it shows this is an attractive subdivision. It is not a cookie cutter subdivision. Are there any questions that I might answer from the Council? Kingsford: Any questions of Ted? Morrow: I have three questions, the question with respect to has ACHD blessed the temporary easement or the easement situation that you have with the Leader people and Dove Meadows? How is that being addressed? Hutchinson: We have discussed that with the Highway District and they understand that we will construct that and it will be dedicated to the Highway District and they have no problem with it. Kingsford: I have a follow up on that. Did I hear you say Ted that Mr. Leader hadn't taken any lease options on that, he does own this property and was legally able to grant this? Hutchinson: Yes, Mr. Leader does own the ground under which that easement was granted. Kingsford: I thought I heard you say that he hadn't taken the option or (inaudible). Hutchinson: No, with regard to Dove Meadows NO.2 he is still looking at what he is going to do now that Dove Meadows approval has expired for phase 2. Regardless of what he does we will construct that and have that dedicated as a public road right of way. It will not be an easement, in fact that easement goes away with the dedication. The language is specific in the easement. Morrow: You indicated that you needed to renegotiate this easement from 50 to 60 feet with Mr. Leader? Hutchinson: It needs to be 60 feet to be collector status. Hickory Way right now is a 60 foot wide street. When this was negotiated they weren't aware that the Highway District was going to require 60 feet. We have right now 50 feet which we can build tomorrow. Mr. Leader has indicated that he is willing to re-negotiate that for that additional 1 0 feet. But it will be there. Morrow: My next question is with respect to the development of the pocket parks. What do you envision in terms of the development of the pocket parks? Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 16 Hutchinson: As far as timing? Morrow: No, I guess yes that is part of the question and the rest of the question is (End of Tape) Hutchinson: (Inaudible) recreation in the pocket parks. It is a place for the kids to run, there may be room to throw a baseball or football around. A parcel that size I think they can very readily passively recreate. Morrow: What does passive mean? Hutchinson: It wouldn't have an organized field, a specified field for soccer, football or baseball. It would be, it is more random use of a typical park rather than a sports field. Morrow: So there is not a basketball or a volley ball area or those kinds of things. Essentially what you are telling us you are just going to grass those areas? Hutchinson: There will be a pathway between those to provide the bicycle and pedestrian path, the interconnection between the ends of the subdivision. Morrow: My final question is with respect to the sewer, did you not in a presentation before us earl ier discuss something about lift stations? Hutchinson: Yes Morrow: What would be the location of the lift station? Hutchinson: We are proposing that the lift station will be located on this lot. There will also be a temporary turn around constructed on that lot so this will not be buildable until such time (inaudible) physically connect to sewer, wet line sewer to the north and have future road connections that would terminate at a culdesac with that lot being unbuildable until such time as those other connections are made. The lift station will service only this development. It will not service anything to the north of it. Morrow: When does the lift station go away? Hutchinson: That will depend upon the city of Meridian. When we get Packard Subdivision NO.2 approved and get the connection through Chamberlain Estates then that sewer extension will follow that. Morrow: Why would it depend on the City of Meridian? Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 17 Hutchinson: You are the ones that control the approval of the development. Morrow: Let's assume that the development is approved, what I am after here is a time frame. As you know the City doesn't particularly relish having lift stations. Hutchinson: We understand that and as I have indicated in previous testimony there will be a surcharge added to each lot to help off set the cost of the maintenance of that lift station. Morrow: Could you explain how the surcharge systems works please. We have a terrible problem in this community understanding builder upcharges and so on and so forth with another issue on the other side of town. So I want to make absolutely clear what surcharge means. Hutchinson: This would be a nominal fee and I believe you were talking $2.00 per lot that would be assessed each lot monthly to aid in Morrow: What does it mean, it means a collection of the $2.00. Hutchinson: Through the homeowners association. Morrow: And how does that money get to the City? Hutchinson: The homeowners association would pay it directly to the City. Morrow: What method do you have in place to guarantee that the City gets that payment? Hutchinson: That would be incorporated in the covenants of the subdivision. Morrow: So, you have $2.00 a lot, how many lots is that? Hutchinson: This proposal is I believe 123 buildable lots. Morrow: Do we get $246 each and every month from date of beginning or at what point does each lot pay its $2.00? Hutchinson: I believe as those lots are developed. Morrow: As they are developed or become occupied? Hutchinson: That would be something that we could negotiate with the City of Meridian. Meridian City Council July 18,1995 Page 18 Morrow: Where did the information come from that $246 would off set the cost to operate the lift station? Hutchinson: That is what I was told by the developer, I don't know where he got his cost. Morrow: Thank you Kingsford: Any other questions for Mr. Hutchinson? Corrie: I will have later. Kingsford: Thank you, anyone else from the public that would like to offer testimony on this issue? Helen Sharp, 2445 Wingate Lane, was sworn by the City Attorney. Sharp: Mr. Mayor and Councilmen, I think we have gone through this before numerous times. We have a very unique situation here. And realizing of course that he is addressing phase #1 of Packard subdivision we are at the very corner of the property that he is talking about. He is talking about the lift station being in that general area kitty corner from where we are. The lift station would be just north of that. Of course going along with you saying you don't know how fast this is going to develop. Another thing that is a grave concern to me and those of us that live on Wingate Lane is when we are talking about phase 1 and 2 which are very intermingled because we know that going in off or just north of that property where he proposes to put phase 2 we have a little access problem because he wants to cross the plat that we have seen wants to put a public road across a private lane and they would cross that so they could get on the other side of the property which would be east of Wingate. So they have property on the west and the east of Wingate Lane and having to cross to join those. As I understand it, does that mean that both accesses on that property would go out to the subdivisions and then go on to Locust Grove? Kingsford: The one I believe Mrs. Sharp that we are talking about there, we are talking about one of the accesses that would go south into Fairview. Sharp: And the other would go through Kingsford: To the west and through Kearney Place. Sharp: In talking with the Highway Department on this they don't propose to do anything with Locust Grove as far as re-surfacing or anything finishing the curbing and gutter and I am sure if anybody has gone along there we can see where the fencing may have done Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 19 but they have not completed the sidewalk. They are not going to do anything until 2001 and for those of us that live out there the traffic on that right now is just horrendous. We talk about the comprehensive plan, my question that while that block that section might be included in the comprehensive plan does the lift station go along with the comprehensive plan. As it is developed they will be charged that could go on for years and I question that. Another I thing I think of listening to the tapes the gentlemen said that when talking to the availability of schools, Chief Joseph on Chateau is closed, he said he would work with the schools and try to resolve that problem. I am interested in knowing what was done on that. He was going to talk to the rest of us about this and of course that has not been done. I am going along, he said they can get the easement from Mr. Leader, I think that should be in his hands and shown to you without the idea that we can get it, we will get it. It is a summation in that it would be a matter of fact. As the example I used before the Planning and Zoning and they have not acted on this because they feel they do not have all the necessary information. I think it is like holding out your hand to a child and you have a shiny penny so that they don't notice the dirty old coins. We are going to have beautiful plantations, shrubbery and all and behind it will be this subdivision that has not got all the plans before you. I would strongly ask please that you get all the information from ACHD which I know they don't have right now. And not guess that we are going to get or we are assured we are going to get, they don't have all the information and I think that should be required before the annexation is granted. I think once it is granted the City of Meridian will be responsible for certain things that is just part of being annexed. Thank you Kingsford: Thank you, any questions for Mrs. Sharp? Anyone else from the public? Dale Sharp, 2445 Wingate Lane, was sworn by the City Attorney. Sharp: I have a question on the lift station and regard to the accessibility of the sewer. There is no guarantee that sewer is going through there for a long time because it is held up by Mr. Alleman and from last conversation I had with him that he is not ready to do anything and he just testified that in previous testimony. As far as the easement, we have easements down to our property. It is not halfway down the lane it is clear down at the end, I have been driving it for 27 years. This would open up Wingate Lane for more traffic on Wingate Lane and we have attended the Ada County Planning and Zoning and they said there would be no more permits issued for access off of Wingate Lane. There were several of us there at that time. This in effect, technically this would open up so that every house in the subdivision that is proposing would have access to Wingate Lane. So I do have a question there. There is as far as schools we have a drastic situation there, bonding wasn't approved. A bond wasn't approved last time and there is no guarantee that it is this time. So, all we are doing is exasperating the problem that we have now. I think that before this is acted on some of these issues should be resolved to the satisfaction of everyone concerned. This position that you are in should require that. Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 20 Morrow: I have a question for Mr. Sharp, with respect to this phase of and this phase only which is what we are addressing tonight. If there is a culdesac that has to be at northwest corner and the culdesac is put in and it is required for temporary turn around and the lot is not developable and that is the site of a lift station plus it is the size to enable a fire truck to turn around how does that traffic get across there onto Wingate Lane at this point in time? Sharp: At this point in time it doesn't, but it will. This whole thing should be addressed at one time not because, they are proposing that Hickory cross over the Nampa Meridian Irrigation District road there and then ties into Wingate Lane on the left there. Are they going to put continuous fences across there to buffer that? If we are talking about this along there, Nampa Meridian Irrigation District, they should. If they are going to isolate this there should be a fence clear across there so that they don't have access to the Nampa Meridian Irrigation District road there. And we do want fences and buffer from our property. Kingsford: Other questions for Mr. Sharp? Thank you Mr. Sharp, anyone else from the public? Mick Dauvin, 2821 Wingate Lane, was sworn by the City Attorney. Dauvin: I would think that we have some ag zone in there just next to the residential and we should probably look at some buffers. Also you have got a fairly rapid water stream through there, an irrigation canal that probably needs to be addressed. That is all the comments that I have on it. Kingsford: Anyone else from the public? Hutchinson: Conditions of approval are typically established for preliminary plats and that is the stage where we are right now. People have asked what our plans are for this development. This is our plan, this is what we intend to do. The City can establish the conditions to ensure that this is constructed as we are proposing. Any preliminary plat is just that, it is preliminary. Between the preliminary and the final plat those issues and concerns of the City will be addressed. They have to be addressed adequately to the City's satisfaction that the development will occur as we have proposed. This proposal is in compliance with your comprehensive plan and it does conform to the requirements of the zoning ordinance. It is a logical extension of your existing city limits. It will be a quality development within your City. We simply ask that you approve this preliminary plat and subsequently the annexation and zoning and establish the conditions that you feel comfortable with that will ensure that this project will result in what you have in mind for the City of Meridian. Are there any further questions that I might answer? Meridian City Council July 18,1995 Page 21 Morrow: I have a question Mr. Hutchinson with respect to the issues are well raised with respect to the agricultural ground. Typically in that area as a City Council we have taken strong measures to protect the ag interest. How are you prepared to protect the neighbors to the north for their agricultural interests. How do you propose to do that? Hutchinson: Well, presently our client owns everything that is outlined in green in here. This used to be the Borup place, they own this and the Brown's they own this. Currently it is being farmed, we will provide a fence to prevent the incursion of the residential development into the agricultural. There is a substantial ditch there. We do either by City ordinance depending on the size of that ditch it would have to be tiled or it will have to be fenced. We are also putting perimeter fencing on this development. It is our intention to prevent the incursion through that method. Morrow: Would you point out on that map please where you would be willing to fence at the present time? Hutchinson: I will have to ask the developer specifically where he would be willing to fence. There is a large ditch that runs through here and I don't know (inaudible) presents a natural barrier. (Inaudible) in this area as we got up in here in phase 2 this would be fenced (inaudible). Morrow: My point here is in the construction industry as you well know they are not the best of citizens. The issue here that is a valid issue in my mind is even though the developer's own that parcel of ground the trash and debris that comes about while a subdivision is under construction can easily get to these other folks' property over here. Our interest historically as a Council has been that you protect those people and their animals, quite candidly and I made the comment before is that with respect to the Davis property on the other side of Ustick and that the issue is that those animals and things that those folk do are susceptible to illness or death caused by construction debris. From our perspective I think we need to see some sort of assurance in the short term that protects the interest of those properties. Hutchinson: Do you have a preferred place that you would like to see fencing initially constructed? Morrow: Well my preferred answer to the construction would be that you protect those properties all along that front with some sort of fencing that doesn't allow construction debris to go to the north and to the west. To either the Sharp property or any of those folk that are along in that particular area. Hutchinson: I think the prevalllng winds tend to be out of the north and northwest in this Meridian City Council July 18,1995 Page 22 particular area by all means. If you condition us to place a fence in that area to prevent that that is a conditions of approval that we can live with. One other thing, you asked about the maintenance of a lift station. (Inaudible) Briggs Engineering and passed along some information. The City of Boise estimates that it is $4000 per year to maintain a lift station. We would come up a little short at $2.00 per lot. I don't know how the City handles any other lift stations that you might have on line, whether or not there is a fee assessed to a system to off set the cost or not. Tolsma: At what point in time is this lift station going to be constructed (inaudible). Hutchinson: It would have to go in with the first phase of construction. The ultimate location for that lift station is that lot in the northwest corner. Tolsma: So if you were constructing up in that area then (inaudible) Hutchinson: I would think so yes. Again, that would be a condition of approval that we can live with and work with. Tolsma: (Inaudible) what that ditch is? Hutchinson: I didn't see any reference to the particular size for that ditch. I know when I cross it on Eagle Road it looks like it is a pretty fair ditch and has quite a bit of water. I don't know if it is large enough that it would require tiling or small enough to require tiling. Shari do you know how large that one is or Gary? Smith: Mr. Mayor and Council members, it was tiled through Chateau Meadows and I think they used a 48 inch pipe through there. It is tilable, I believe it is tilable under our ordinance. Hutchinson: And your ordinance does require it and we will fence or tile it in accordance with your ordinance. Corrie: Mr. Mayor, can you give me some background here. On the site specific comments from the engineering department, it says the subdivision was previously submitted as a 128 lot subdivision with a five acre park. Now it is 123 lots is that what you said it was? Hutchinson: That is correct, 123 buildable lots. Corrie: Okay so we lost lots, we lost the 5 acre park? Why? Hutchinson: Any time that you start skewing your streets off of perpendicular and again we Meridian City Council July 18,1995 Page 23 have gone with 45 degree angles, we have put some curvilinear streets in there to break it up. You start using up a lot of ground that ordinarily you might be able to incorporate into other features. With the previous design it was laid out pretty much on a grid system like north, south, east, west streets. We were able to optimize the number of lots and still come up with the amenity. However, because the grid pattern was met with a great deal of opposition there was really no way, it cost us five lots just to do that. We had this laid out so that I think we had two additional lots where we have the 2 large parks areas now. We figured it was just best to make the lots around the culdesacs work better and to provide some additional open space within the development. But again we did lose the lots because of the curvilinear streets and going off of perpendicular streets. Corrie: Okay, and block lengths, it looks like you have one that is going to be more than a 1000 square feet long. Hutchinson: The one Chateau Drive to where this intersection with Hickory, I don't know of anyway to really break that street up. There is no north-south connection to any other street. Obviously the culdesac in Carol's Justin Way is there it is not going to extend. The other option and I don't know how, it would be more feasible or work better than what we have would be to intersect that street. Move the intersection from the western portion to the (inaudible) the length of a block. There were really no features that would warrant, typically you would find an intersecting street, this layout, the ground just isn't conducive give the existing development. Corrie: What is the reason that Packard Subdivision NO.2 isn't started before one? Hutchinson: Access primarily, we have excellent access to this one. Packard NO.2 will access off the north end of this would be one access point into this one then it will also connect into some existing subdivisions to the west particularly into Chamberlain Estates when that is completed. So, primarily we are starting down in this our preference would be to start on the north end with sewer but until we can get sewer to that and an access to Ustick Road I think we are starting in the most logical place which is where we have got access to public streets. Corrie: The cost of the $4000 a year for the lift station, is that cost from the very beginning or as you add houses to it? You are going to put your lift station in first will that cost start then? Hutchinson: I believe that a lift station is the maintenance cost starts with the installation. Corrie: The developer is going to pay that? Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 24 Hutchinson: I am getting an indication that yes they are willing to pay that maintenance fee on it. Corrie: I have no further questions Mr. Mayor. Hutchinson: As you can see it is pretty easy to optimize the land when you are operating within a square and you are making basically square lots it is easy to optimize the number of lots and still come up with something to turn over a large open space. Corrie: With this one (inaudible) Sharp and (inaudible) Hutchinson: In fact the neighbors in Carol subdivision came out quite adamantly opposed to that one. I believe once they saw this one they, I think we satisfied their concerns basically. Kingsford: Any other questions of the Council? Morrow: Mr. Mayor, we are still in the public hearing? Kingsford: Right, was there anyone that wanted to make initial comments first that hadn't had an opportunity? Sharp: The question, one of them that I have he says that we are acting on phase one, we are not going to take into consideration phase 2. With that in mind then when they put a berm a fence or whatever all the way across there so there is no chance we have to worry about bringing phase 2, could that be a part of that. Do you understand what I am saying, all across the property. That way we know they can't connect that with phase 2. This is a very bad picture but you can see here the farm land, this is the proposed site right here and we are right here. We are saying right across here, all across there, why can't they put a big berm and a fence. At that point you don't have to worry about them being included with these two they can (inaudible) and those (inaudible) Wingate Lane is a private road. Morrow I think there is some confusion here, phase one and phase 2 would be within this subdivision, I think that we are talking about Packard subdivision NO.1. Sharp: That is what I am saying, if you are talking about Packard Subdivision phase no. 1 make it a stipulation that they have to fence or come clear across the north part of that so it can't go into part of phase 2. Would have to be acted on separately with accesses and not crossing Wingate Lane. It would be across, see all across here (inaudible) they can't join this into this one and cross Wingate Lane. He says he is acting on it as phase Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 25 1 so I say make a stipulation it is phase 1 acting independently so then we get to phase 1 and he can't cross over in from there. Morrow: To clear up some confusion here, this is Packard Subdivision No, 1 and it is totally independent of Packard Subdivision NO.2. Packard Subdivision no. 2 is, we are not even addressing, that is the ground that is directly in front of your place. Hutchinson: This has phase, four development phases. Morrow: The phases that he is referring to are within Packard Subdivision NO.1. Now the issue you to address I believe is a fence that fences that ground across there, am I correct? Sharp: Yes, so that it is complete, it is a complete phase right there and it doesn't involve that property that is on Wingate Lane. I still didn't hear (inaudible) the preliminary plat and I quote and unquote, this is not the first one that was presented if has been changed and we no longer have that park. Sharp: I have to reiterate that if we are acting on this as isolated phases as number one then we should have a fence a buffer fence on the north side clear across there so that there isn't any, so we don't tie it into the other subdivision. That, we are saying we need a buffer there. The ditch and the ditch rider road is not a buffer I can guarantee that I have a fence to the south of me on the subdivision and there is a street stubbed in there with blocks but I tell you right now I get a lot of trash out in my pasture that blows out from that street entrance there. And I get a lot of people in fact Nampa Meridian Irrigation District at my request put up a cable across there so we didn't have motorcycles and cars and everything come through there. If it continues I am going to request a fence or a gate put up there and also to the east of me on my property so that we don't have people travelling down there and they throw rocks in my pasture and I get a lot of trash through there. That is why we are requesting if we are acting on this as subdivision no. 1 then we should have a fence across there to buffer it. Kingsford: Anyone else? Seeing none I will close the public hearing. Council, we have findings, are there significant changes from P & Z on the annexation now I am talking about. Morrow: I had some questions with respect to for Gary Smith for site specific comments and those issues. Have the responses from Mr. Hutchinson been satisfactory to both yours and Shari's comments that you made in terms of site specific stuff would be my first question. And then the follow up question would be do we know how much the maintenance costs us on a lift station? Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 26 Smith: I can answer the second question, I don't know what the cost is for maintenance of a lift station. It is a daily maintenance item where one of our workers has to access the lift station and check it and of course the power costs are there for running of the pumps. But I don't have a dollar number for you, I do not know what that would be. I believe on your other question Councilman Morrow that the developers representative did meet with me and address my comments in a meeting and followed that with a written letter addressing the comments also. I did want to ask a question concerning the Highway District's comments on the preliminary plat. We are on the zone change, (Inaudible) How do we or how does the Counci I accept these staff recommendations from the Highway District, is that automatic acceptance or does it need to be part of the record specifically? Kingsford: I think Gary that they have to be a part of the record specifically, if the Council makes that as a condition then that is a condition of approval. As you know and Karen will probably attest to back there there have been occasions when we have not accepted ACHD's comments. For example to build a sidewalk when there is not a sidewalk within a mile and a half of it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. So there have been those sorts of things. Smith: If I may there are a couple of comments that Karen did make in her staff report that seem to be kind of significant in my mind. One has to do with the 126 lots of this subdivision being the maximum number of lots that are developed until such time that the 3 stub streets are extended to arterial. And the other item is the district will not sign the final plat for any part of this subdivision until the adjacent street system that it connects to Hickory Avenue becomes part of the public street system. Morrow Now that is in reference to the Leader property? Smith: Yes sir. Morrow: And the other stub streets you are talking about are? Smith: There would be a stub street to the north, the east, and I guess the west. They speak specifically to the 3 stub streets. Morrow: The west could be tied in now according to (inaudible). Smith: The west could be tied in now, it is very circuitous to access Locust Grove from there but it can be accessed. Morrow Okay the other issue is that what you are saying then is that once the entire build out of the subdivision is done because you are saying 126 lots? Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 27 Smith: Correct, that is all the lots in the subdivision. Morrow There are 123 lots in the subdivision now. Smith: Okay, yes correct. Morrow: So then at that point in time there is not further development of what ground? Smith: I assume they are talking abut the number 2, proposed number 2 subdivision. Because that subdivision accesses back into this subdivision. Morrow: I guess my next question would be is what does that relate to on the ground on the east side? Smith: I don't know. Kingsford: Since Karen is here \Nhy don't we ask here, Karen come up please and answer Mr. Morrow's question as to what your comments represented. For the record, Karen Gallagher, ACHD. Gallagher: Thank you Mr. Mayor, the comment as to the stub streets was in reference that his subdivision Packard No. 1 could be filled but had to have that connection to Hickory Way. We wanted that part of the street system to connect and be part of the public. At that time that was staff's analysis of what Hickory Way could accommodate. We thought it was 126 that might be including some common lots. With Packard NO.2 coming through and the original traffic study that we received on that it is doing a more technical analysis than what staff did of Hickory Way. So that statement may change pending the traffic study for Packard NO.2. Morrow The issue with the eastern street on the eastern boundary? Is that into properties that are not subject to development at this time, that is a future stub street? Gallagher: To the west? Morrow No, to the east. Gallagher: To the east, if I am following your question correctly, if that property intervening between Eagle and this property were to develop, obviously that would help the circulation for the subdivision. We are expecting that some time in the future, but without that connection we do have some circulation concerns in this area. Not for this subdivision as Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 28 it is but the future connections. Kingsford: Any other questions for Karen, thank you. Tolsma: I have a question for the attorney, when the (inaudible) number 14, (inaudible) Crookston: The last statement was, the sentence was not completed and that is my error. What the statement is is that there should be a fence between Packard No. 1 and Packard NO.2 because it is a private lane. The until, right now I can't remember it I would have to look back at my notes in preparation of these findings. Tolsma: So basically the findings are stating that there is supposed to be a fence between No. 1 and 2 separating Wingate Lane from this subdivision? Crookston: That is correct. Kingsford: Some direction Counselor, procedurally. The Council has now heard the preliminary plat testimony. And we obviously can't act on that if the property is not annexed. Is it not appropriate now that we go back to the annexation issue? Crookston: Yes it is. The other thing that I did want to comment on was that in regards to a preliminary plat, it has generally been held that the preliminary plat if you will is the guiding light. If you approve that then if you want to make changes above and beyond that it has already been approved and you cannot do that without the consent of the applicant for the preliminary plat. So if you have conditions they need to be stated. You can approve the plat subject to certain conditions. But if those conditions are met and then you want to do have something else done and the developer does not agree to it you are not allowed to do that. Kingsford: Well, we are trying to hear the old proverbial cart and horse and chicken and egg and so forth. Council has asked to hear the plat or see a plat before it is annexed because that is not the procedure. Let's revert back then to agenda item #7 and Council then considering that. There is no way you can deal further with the preliminary plat if you don't annex it. You have now seen that and that was your request. Crookston: This particular matter then needs to be tabled until you act on the annexation. Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I would that we table item 8. Yerrington: Second Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 29 Kingsford: To a date certain please. Morrow: To 15 minutes from now, because we are going to act on item 7 and then we can discuss item 8 if I understood what he was saying correctly. Kingsford: I guess one of the things that you need to consider is has there been different testimony from the findings that you have and in which case they would have to be prepared and they couldn't act on that until the next meeting. Crookston: There are no findings on the plat. Kingsford: No, on the annexation is what I am saying. Which again you can't act on the plat until you have annexation. Crookston: That is correct, but we heard tonight was testimony on the plat that would not pertain to the annexation. (Inaudible) Kingsford: Let me run this by you one more time Wayne, we had testimony on the annexation last meeting, was there different testimony at the last meeting than what was at Planning and Zoning? Crookston: No Morrow: I have a question with respect to these findings of fact given that page 14, item 14 (Discussion Inaudible) Crookston: Yes, I would prefer to have a period after lane and the until stricken. Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I am prepared to move that we adopt the findings of fact and conclusions of law as passed onto us by P & Z with the amendment to item 14 on page 14 that at the end of private lane be a period and that we strike the word until. Yerrington: Second Kingsford: Moved by Walt, second by Max to approve of the findings of fact and conclusions of law as prepared for P & Z for annexation and zoning for Packard Subdivision No. 1 amending item 14, page 14 putting a period after private lane and Meridian City Council July 18,1995 Page 30 striking the word until from the paragraph, roll call vote. ROLL CALL VOTE: Morrow - Yea, Yerrington - Yea, Corrie - Yea, Tolsma - Yea MOTION CARRIED: All Yea Kingsford: Is there a motion for the City attorney then to prepare an ordinance? Morrow: Mr. Mayor I would move that we instruct the City Attorney to prepare the annexation and zoning ordinance. Yerrington: Second Kingsford: Moved by Walt, second by Max to have the City Attorney prepare annexation and zoning ordinance for Packard Subdivision No.1, all those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea Kingsford: Now then item #8, it would be appropriate to table until that ordinance is passed. Yerrington: So moved Tolsma: Second Kingsford: Moved by Max, second by Ron to table item #8 preliminary plat until the annexation and zoning ordinance is approved, all those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea ITEM #9: PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION AND ZONING OF 20.67 ACRES TO C-G BY W. H. MOORE: Kingsford: At this time I will open the public hearing and invite Winston to speak first or his designee. Becky Bowcutt, 1111 South Orchard, Boise, was sworn by the City Attorney. (End of Tape) Bowcutt: This is an application for annexation and rezone of a property located just west Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 31 of Highway 69 or Kuna Meridian Road. You can see it here, this cross hatched area. It adjoins Interstate 84 on its north and Overland Road on its south. The Mountain View Equipment is right next door to us. This particular piece of property is one parcel of a total of I believe they had 4 parcels to begin with. It was originally owned by Tower and Associates out of New York and they owned all of this property here. Mr. Sandman motel the JB's restaurant, those particular developments came out of this parcel and the most recent Mr. Sandman NO.2 subdivision and the Texaco station and the motel expansion was also part of this property. The other 3 remaining parcels is this area right here. W. H. Moore Company is purchasing those two parcels. This particular parcel here that you see with the C-G zoning is currently within the city limits and the city limits basically split Mr. Moore's property in half. This is 18.41 acres here and what we are asking for is an annexation and rezone of the western half of this property to a C-G zone so that we have the entire parcel within the City limits of Meridian. It is currently zoned C2 under Ada County's jurisdiction, that is a highway commercial zone. So the C-G zone would be a comparable zone to move into if we were trying to find some type of a match. Until such times as these parcels, this other western portion is annexed into the City of Meridian we would have difficulty doing anything on the property were we have this split jurisdiction situation. The sewer is currently on this property right now, you have the Ten Mile Creek interceptor which is a 15 inch line comes across 1-84 and comes onto the south side and runs parallel with Ten Mile Creek and then exits and crosses and goes east over on Highway 69. So we do have access to central sewer. Central water comes down Overland Road and is stubbed, I think it is approximately 13 feet into this first parcel that Mr. Moore is purchasing right here. So we would pick up that 10 inch line and extend it down to this portion here. So all the necessary public services are available in this area. Overland Road is classified as a minor arterial, your comprehensive plan promotes commercial type development along 1-84 and along existing arterial roads. I believe this is classified as a mixed use planned development area on your new comprehensive plan. So we feel that this particular zoning designation would be appropriate. We are exploring various alternatives in what we plan for the property. If you do have some questions concerning future uses I think those should be addressed to Mr. Moore because he is here this evening to answer those questions. We have read through the findings of fact and conclusions of law prepared by staff and adopted by the Planning and Zoning Commission, basically they look in order. I just had one particular question where it references tying the agreement to a final plat was that intentional, because we do not have a plat before the City at this time so I didn't know if that was an oversight. Kingsford: Counselor, do you have an answer for that? Crookston: I am sorry I haven't looked at the findings as a result. Bowcutt: You might take a look, I think it is referenced in the recommendation and then Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 32 referenced in another area within the body of the document. Morrow: Which pages? Bowcuttt: I can identify them and get back to Mr. Crookston, do you have the findings before you? Look on page 16 and the recommendation, enters into a development agreement prior to final plat approval. Is that the way it is typically handled. Crookston: Yes it is, we use to require the development agreement prior to annexation and we moved that back to so that it is more tied in with the platting procedure. Bowcutt: That was the question that we had. I did have a second question concerning item, on page 7, there is item 4.4U with a reference out of the comprehensive plan and the 35 foot, the comprehensive plan that I have which I think is the new one the 35 feet was removed from that it was in the old one. Crookston: That is correct, I think that reference is to a comment made by Shari Stiles. Bowcutt: Yes, I did speak with Shari about when planning the development of the property appropriate buffering along 1-84 so that we didn't have buildings that were right up against the interstate and we have some type of an aesthetically pleasing perimeter where we have so much traffic along that area. Do you have any particular questions? Kingsford: Did the Council get Mr. Moore's packet outlining potential development there. Sometime back I know I was given one, I think everyone got that. You got one Ron, I think you all did. At any rate that is what they are talking about here. Very beautifully, as Winston always does, color brochures and all of that stuff, by the way nice sign out there. Morrow: Mr. Mayor I don't remember seeing the document that doesn't mean that I didn't get it. Kingsford: I know that you guys don't get a whole lot of paperwork. This has been some time ago that it was distributed. Do you have a copy of that for their information? Bowcutt: No sir I don't. (Inaudible) Kingsford: That would be something that would be more appropriate I guess when you look at platting the whole project. I just point that out because it does tie together what we are talking about here. Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 33 Bowcutt: I don't typically get involved in the marketing so I don't see the pretty brochures. We are currently working on (Inaudible) Kingsford: Well in any event that is what they are talking about. It is available, will is here and I am sure you guys all will have it too. Any other questions for Becky? Thank you, anyone else from the public? Seeing none I will close the public hearing. I might just comment that this concept on the annexed property dates back to my recollection is 1979 and the City voted to annex the rest of Mr. Moore's property which was Tower's properties and otherwise known as Mall Properties of Georgia and five or six other things for basically this kind of thing. So it has been consistent through that period of time. Don't you look at me like that Walt that is true. Morrow: There have been some other things consistent in that period of time that we seem to be having some major problems with. Kingsford: The public hearing is closed, is there any further discussion on the annexation? Morrow: Mr. Mayor I would move that we adopt the findings of fact and conclusions of law as prepared by P & z. Tolsma: Second Kingsford: Moved by Walt, second by Ron to approve the findings of fact and conclusions of law as prepared for P & Z, roll call vote. ROLL CALL VOTE: Morrow - Yea, Yerrington - Yea, Corrie - Yea, Tolsma - Yea MOTION CARRIED: All Yea Tolsma: Mr. Mayor I would move that we request the City attorney to prepare an annexation and zoning ordinance. Morrow: Second Kingsford: Moved by Ron second by Walt to have the City Attorney prepare the annexation and zoning ordinance, all those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea Meridian City Counci I July 18, 1995 Page 34 ITEM #10: PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION AND ZONING OF .65 ACRE TO C-G BY LEANN LONGSON: Kingsford: At this time I will open that public hearing and invite the owner or her designee to speak first. Lee Longson, 3497 Hull Drive, Eagle, was sworn by the City Attorney. Longson: Mayor and Council, I really have no comment as far as additional items or anything to discuss as far as the annexation. I think we have complied and are willing to comply with everything that is in the paper. We have studied it and looked at it and don't have any comment. Morrow: Since we have not had a presentation on this would you make the presentation concerning what it is you are going to do and so forth for our benefit? Longson: We have been through the P & Z so I assume that they pass that information onto. Kingsford: They do the minutes, but sometimes that is not as clear as maybe the Council would like. Longson: Basically what we have done is we purchased a piece of property on Fairview which I am sure you are aware of. It is .65 acres and because in order to stay within the comprehensive plan of Meridian we wanted to annex that piece of property into Meridian. So we have been in the process of updating and remodelling the whole farmhouse which is on a piece of property. We have done so, actually at this particular point run the water across Fairviewwith the anticipation of maybe some day way down the line which we have not brought up at this particular point build an office building on that particular piece of property. We have run two different lines across Fairview at this particular time and put an 8 inch temporary in which we have capped off at both ends for the future. At this particular time there is an actual connection of an 1 1/2 inch line of which we are running the water into the hold farmhouse. We are at this particular point we are not sure exactly what we are going to do with that. We initially intended to operate our owry business out of there which we are working with different identities to accomplish that goal. If not we will rent it as a commercial establishment for some, whatever it may be, insurance or anything else. That is really our intent at this particular point. Kingsford: If my memory serves me correct sir this, at P & Z was your business the phone transfer thing? Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 35 Longson: Yes sir, we are in the process right now with negotiating with US West for the proper lines of connection US West has actually put the lines in at this particular point. There is some question on the lines that we have and we are in negotiation at this particular point. Corrie: Are you on the north or south of Fairview? Longson: We are on the south side of F airview about 2 homes down from the 0 & B Supply. Corrie: I have 2 different things here, one shows you on the north side and the other shows you on the south side. (Inaudible) Longson: We are right next to the fence company, Viking fence I beHeve, just straight across the street just diagonal a little bit to the Shoshoni building. We are on the other side of that about one home down if you were to go a little further east. Tolsma: (Inaudible) Longson: I don't know what properties border us there but the property itself that we purchased is 100 by 300 and I believe you have the annexation to go 300 feet back is my understanding so that is the extent of the piece of property. Kingsford: Any other questions? Thank you, anyone else from the public that would like to offer testimony on this issue? Seeing none I will close the public hearing, Councilmen. Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I move that we adopt the findings of fact and conclusions of law as prepared by P & Z. Tolsma: Second Kingsford: Moved by Walt, second by Ron to adopt the findings of fact and conclusions of law as prepared for P & 2, roll call vote. ROLL CALL VOTE: Morrow - Yea, Yerrington - Yea, Corrie - Yea, Tolsma -Yea MOTION CARRIED: All Yea Kingsford: Is there a motion to have the City Attorney prepare the ordinance? Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 36 Morrow: So moved Tolsma: Second Kingsford: Moved by Walt, second by Ron to have the City Attorney prepare an ordinance annexing and zoning, all those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea ITEM #11: PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE FOR ENGLEWOOD SUBDIVISION BY REWABHAI PATEL Kingsford: At this time I will open the public hearing and invite the owner or his designee to speak first. Richard Jewell, 1082 Arlington, Eagle, was sworn by the City Attorney. Jewell: Mr. Mayor and Council members, I respectfully request an extension on Englewood subdivision. We have expired our time limit for the one year from the time of final plat to the time of beginning construction or recording the plat. We have extended, we have gone beyond that time date and with discussions with Mr. Crookston and Ms. Stiles we determined we were able to submit to the Council during the public hearing to request for this extension. I assume that you all have before you the letter that I submitted requesting this and if you have any questions regarding any of those statements I would be happy to answer them. Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I guess I am confused here, is not the public hearing a request for a variance for Kingsford: The variance is to our ordinance that sets the time limits since that has gone by as I understand it. Am I correct there? Jewell: That is the way I understand it. Morrow: I guess the letter that I am reading is July 14th and it talks about minimum dwelling sizes. Corrie: I also got another on July 14 from somebody named Jed Trebeck stating that they want to be de-annexed if they extend it. Jewell: That is not Englewood. Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 37 Kingsford: We need to get Shari back in to address those. I don't think Mr. Jewell, I don't know 'Nhether you have seen those. Shari these items on Englewood with regard to, how does that pertain to Mr. Jewell's request for a variance? Stiles: Mr. Mayor and Council, there was a problem that Mr. Jesterbeck he has just passed away now. He was worried that part of his property is still in the City. He was concerned that the ordinance be amended so that his piece of his property was not in the City. I am not certain that the annexation ordinance is correct now but I would assume since we did do an amended ordinance that it took care of that problem. I understood that was taken care of. Morrow: I guess I am confused here. The agenda calls for the variance as I understand it for an extension for Englewood Creek and that is what Mr. Jewell is addressing, but in our packet we have got actually 3 different pieces of information with respect to this subdivision. Is that correct, we have the variance for the extension, we have an issue talking about square footages and we have an issue by the Jseterbeck's talking about wanting to be de-annexed. So, I guess which is that we are dealing with. We are just dealing with the request for the variance for the extension of the plat is that correct tonight and nothing else? Stiles: Yes Kingsford: Will are you saying that some of that shouldn't have been stapled to this packet? Berg: I don't believe that it was stapled it was just put in the box. The deal with the concern of the property owners to the east came about with that letter because they were noticed for a hearing concerning Englewood for this variance. They were concerned and wanted to make sure that their property was taken care of being de-annexed. That is why we got the letter in that packet because that was a response of the notice. Morrow: Okay, so what I have done here is mistakenly put these other issues altogether. Berg: The one letter deals with square footage does not concern this variance. Morrow: So the only thing we are talking about is Kingsford: The extension of time the variance to grant an extension of time on the subdivision. Just so as to not muddy the water too much Wayne or Gary are you clear on was the in question property de-annexed with the amended ordinance? Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 38 Crookston: We did an amended ordinance to delete a portion of land that was initially included. I don't recall the name involved but we have done that. Jewell: Mr. Mayor, if I am understanding correctly which piece of property it was the original issue was that particular property owner had been encroaching onto our property. So, we came out with an agreement with him to go ahead and go around his building. So that he was not part of our property, the building wasn't. That was after I think it was annexed and so we had to make a revision to that. My understanding that was cleared up quite some time ago. Crookston: That is correct. Kingsford: Would you remember is this name the part in question? Jewell: I am sorry I don't remember it has been too long ago. Kingsford: I think that you are right. At issue then is the variance on the time extension. Any questions for Mr. Jewell on that? Thank you, it is a public hearing is there anyone else from the public that would like to offer testimony on this issue? Seeing none I will close the public hearing. Council members, Wayne you have to have findings for a variance. Crookston: I am afraid we do. Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I would move that we instruct the City Attorney prepare findings of fact and conclusions of law. Tolsma: Second Kingsford: Moved by Walt, second by Ron to have the City Attorney prepare findings of fact and conclusions of law, all those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea ITEM #12: CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO OPERATE A RETAIL BAKERY BY ROBERT PREECE: Kingsford: Does the Council have any questions? Is Mr. Preece here? Does the Council have any questions for Mr. Preece? Tolsma: Have you got any samples? Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 39 Corrie: Is the alley going to cause you any problems? I notice that (inaudible) potholes or something, is that going to cause you any problems? Your delivery I think is just a car or something you mentioned. Preece: (Inaudible) Kingsford: Any other questions of the Council? Morrow: Do they do doughnuts? Kingsford: What all do you do in the bakery? Preece: Everything but doughnuts. Crookston: It is my understanding there is no frying. Kingsford: We won't have to worry about the police department then, they won't be over there bugging them too much. (Inaudible) Kingsford: Does the Council have any questions of staff? Morrow: Does the staff have any problem with this project, Gary or Shari? Stiles: No I don't. Tolsma: Mr. Mayor I would move that we grant the Conditional use permit to operate the retail bakery by Robert Preece. (Discussion Inaudible) Tolsma: Withdraw that motion and move that we approve the findings of fact prepared by P&Z. Morrow: Second Kingsford: Moved by Ron, second by Walt to approve the findings of fact and conclusions of law for Robert Preece, conditional use, roll call vote. ROLL CALL VOTE: Morrow - Yea, Yerrington - Yea, Corrie - Yea, Tolsma - Yea Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 40 MOTION CARRIED: All Yea Kingsford: I would entertain a motion on the conditional use. Tolsma: A decision by the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission and the Meridian City Council hereby recommends to the Meridian City Council that they approve the conditional use permit requested by the applicant for the property described in the application with the conditions set forth in the findings of fact and conclusions of law. Yerrington: Second Kingsford: Moved by Ron, second by Max to approve of the decision, all those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea ITEM #13: REQUEST FOR ONE YEAR EXTENSION OF THE APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR CHAMBERLAIN ESTATES NO.2 BY KEVIN HOWELL: Morrow: I have a question Mr. Mayor, what is the difference between this request and the one. Kingsford: Time hadn't elapsed. Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I would move that we grant the one year extension of the preliminary plat for Chamberlain Estates NO.2 by Kevin Howell Construction. Yerrington: Second Kingsford: Moved by Walt, second by Max to grant the one year extension for the preliminary plat for Chamberlain Estates NO.2 by Kevin Howell, all those in favor? Opposed? Motion carried: All Yea ITEM #14: NON-DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR SUMMERFIELD SUBDIVISION NO. 2: Kingsford: Shari would you, do you have any comments on that. Have you seen it, or Gary, who is the appropriate? Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 41 Smith: Mr. Mayor this is similar to the non-development agreement that you previously approved for Bedford Place. Kingsford: So we are talking about a non-development agreement, I see from Will's notes that Wayne has marked that up substantially, Wayne do you have a comment for the Council? Crookston: Again your honor I haven't reviewed it since I did those comments. I don't know whether or not those changes have been made. Smith: They have Mr. Mayor, I sent a faxed copy of Wayne's comments to Hubble Engineering and Tracy Persons over there made those changes and sent the revised back to me. They did incorporate, I checked it against Wayne's comments and they did incorporate the comments. Kingsford: So, Counselor, what is appropriate here? We have to approve the non- development agreement and authorize do I have to sign that? Crookston: Yes you do, you and Will have to sign it. Morrow: Mr. Mayor, I would move that we enter into a non-development agreement for Summerfield Subdivision NO.2 and authorize the Mayor to sign and the City Clerk to attest that agreement with Summerfield Subdivision and Gary Voigt the developer. Yerrington: Second Kingsford: Moved by Walt, second by Max to enter into a non-development agreement for Summerfield Subdivision No.2, Gary Voigt, authorize the Mayor to sign and the City Clerk to attest, all those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea ITEM #15: COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS FOR BEDFORD PLACE: Kingsford: Counselor have you reviewed those and do they meet with your approval? Crookston: I reviewed them and I think they have made all of their respective changes that I asked for. Kingsford: Will is saying that they have, is there a motion on those CC&R's? Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 42 Yerrington: I move for their approval. Tolsma: Second Kingsford: Moved by Max, second by Ron to approve the covenants, conditions and restrictions for Bedford Place Subdivision, all those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea ITEM #16: DEPARTMENT REPORTS: Kingsford: Mr. Smith? The bid opening results for Well No. 16 pump and pump house. When was that closed I somehow missed that I guess? Smith: The bid opening was on July the 7th. Thank you Mr. Mayor and Council members, I will hand out a copy of the bid results for you to look at. It looks like I handed out my copy too. We had 3 bidders and the low bidder was Turn Key Inc. from Emmett, Idaho, $164,608.53. They had a couple of small errors in their bid but that number is a corrected number. The other bidders, Ross Enterprise out of Jerome, was second bid and Riverside out of Parma was the third low or the third bidder. We have not worked with Turn Key Inc. before but they seem very anxious to get started and they are licensed public work contractors. Morrow: Do we have references on them? Smith: I don't think anywhere requested in the bid documents, I don't recall that we had a reference requirement. Morrow: It seems to me like that I am not familiar with any three of these companies and I guess my natural question is that where are our local guys? Smith: Riverside did No. 15 for us and they build the pump house out there and plumbed it. Ross had bid one time before I believe but he was not successful there either. It is a pretty straight forward job, there isn't anything real complicated about it. It is a masonry block building and some access road and of course the pump is pump and motor is all purchased items and we just have to be sure that their workmanship is such that everything fits together well and works well. Morrow: Wouldn't it be to our benefit to have reference requirements within our bid documents to that we can do some follow up to be prepared for what we need to do from a management standpoint to ensure that quality is there? Meridian City Council July 18,1995 Page 43 Smith: We have done that in some cases yes, and it is probably well worth the time to have references provided. I don't recall that was done in this case, I can't say for certain. Corrie: Gary, are you familiar with this Turn Key, any work that they have done at all? Smith: No I am not, alii know is that they are a triple A license general contractor in the State of Idaho and they have a specialty license for this type of work also. So they are public works licensed contractor. Of course I think that license I am not sure how they award that license based on the bonding capability of the contractor. I think they also have to have some references to say that they are capable of doing that type of work. Is that right, when you get a license? Morrow: Well your (inaudible) that you fill out has those references and those kinds of things. And then you annually fill out your form with financial statements, list of equipment and projects completed within the last year and then price range and so on and so forth. After the first year you do that but there is no requirement for references after the first year unless you are going to change level of dollars that you wish to bid at. So, they could have been first year or 10 year or whatever. But, after the first year there would be no reference requirement with Public Works license. It seems to me that it makes sense on anything that we bid that we ask for references. Kingsford: I think though we are talking here though Walt after the fact. I agree with you that it might be a good idea to have that generally in the bid documents as we proceed. Smith: I will make sure that we follow up on that in future bid documents? Kingsford: Any other questions about the apparent low bidder? Entertain a motion to approve the apparent low bid. Tolsma: So moved Corrie: Second Kingsford: Moved by Ron, second by Bob to approve the apparent low bidder Turn Key Inc, Emmett, Idaho, in the amount of $164,608,53, all those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea Morrow: I had a question, does that motion also authorize the Mayor to sign the contract and the City Clerk to attest? Tolsma: Yes it did. Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 44 Kingsford: So I have the authority to sign notice to proceed and the contract? Morrow: That would be my intention if that was the intention of the motion. Kingsford: Let's have a clarification for the minutes. Let's have a motion to authorize the Mayor to sign and the City Clerk to attest the notice to proceed and the award. Tolsma: So moved Yerrington: Second Kingsford: Moved by Ron, second by Max to authorize the Mayor to sign and the City Clerk to attest the notice to proceed and the award, all those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea Smith: Thank you Mr. Mayor and Council members, the second item that I have on the agenda concerns our park reservation request that I had asked you about in April. I subsequently had our Park Superintendent gather some more information which I distributed to you and for your information. I don't know if you want to take any action on this tonight, if you can take any action on it. But I did want to bring that up before you again. Tolsma: We wouldn't be able to enact this I don't think until our next budget year anyway. Maybe we can get the view of the Council on that and include it in the budget process for next year. Morrow: Can we not do this by resolution? Kingsford: I think we can and I don't think you are talking about a significant enough amount of money that it is going to require a budget amendment or anything of that nature. I think you can do that certainly if it is your desire to make that effective next season or whatever. I think it would be very appropriate if the Council act on that while it is in your mind and the concern is there. Certainly during the winter there is no application and then you are in the thick of the requests again. In fact we get requests year out and it would be appropriate that those people be cognizant of that when they make that request. I think we have gotten 2 or 3 years out sometimes. Smith: A lot of times family reunions will be an annual event and will call that in early for the following year. I suspect right now that we a lot of reservations that have already been made for this fiscal year or through this season. Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 45 Tolsma: I talked to Dennis about this a little bit today and Dennis said that everything from Nampa and Boise and even when he approached Caldwell, everybody seemed to be roughly the same as far as dollars. They split the cost up different for dumpsters and for fees or something like this. But basically the over all cost is about the same. Kingsford: Gary had put, you are looking at that packet, there are some fees attached to that from Boise and Nampa. Tolsma: The only thing he was worried about was the lateness of the hour during the summertime (inaudible) keep the restrooms open (inaudible) that he didn't, the restroom is closed until the (inaudible). Smith: One of the things, and Will and I have talked about this a little bit, one of the things that we want to do is make sure that we in our upcoming budget year that we get power routed to the shelter by the base ball field. I can't remember if that is number 1 or 2, we get power out there. I also think it would be good if we could figure out a way to put water at both shelters. Typically they have a need for water of some kind. Kingsford: I think if I recall Gary, having been involved in a few of those things at the shelter it would be nice to have water there. Tolsma: (Inaudible) bomb proof water fountain and we have come up with a pretty good plan. So far we have found the vandal proof (inaudible) encase it in concrete and we are setting it on a I think it is a 12 by 12 piece of (inaudible) with the access doors inside which are operated with a key that inserts back inside the unit. (Inaudible) Kingsford: You are saying that the public might damage a public piece of property. Morrow: Let me ask you this are you going to patent that and let us be part of the patent so when we make our million we will be out of here? Tolsma: No actually I am (inaudible). Kingsford: Well, let's look at getting that water Gary in this year's budget. Morrow: So how do we address the issue then of this reservation fee? Kingsford: I don't know, you guys you've had that packet for a time, is it your pleasure to act on it now, would you like to think about it and talk about it in the strategic planning meeting next week. Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 46 Morrow: No, this is a mundane item, it is really very simple if we are going to adopt a $10 fee to reserve it and use the thing to offset the cost. I think that is nominal enough. Obviously the evidence that Dennis has picked up with respect to parks on the east and west sides of us indicates that is within line so lets move forward and get it done. Kingsford: Is there a motion to do that by resolution then? Morrow: I would move so Mr. Mayor. Kingsford: So we are asking Wayne to prepare a resolution for that adoption. Corrie: Second Kingsford: Moved by Walt, second by Bob to have the Attorney prepare a resolution dealing with the fees at the shelter reservations, all those in favor? Opposed? Tolsma: What fee are you going to put on this? Nampa's base or Boise's base? Kingsford: $10 (inaudible) Tolsma: I just wondered if he wanted an extra for dumpster if they required a dumpster out there. Morrow: That is up to Mr. Alidjani to charge for that because that is part of Sanitary Service's deal that would not be as I see it it wouldn't come through the city for a request for a dumpster. That would be up to them to make the arrangements. Tolsma: (Inaudible) Kingsford: As I understand it we are talking about here the $10 fee to offset his time and a little bit of something not certainly all of carrying trash away. Smith: Right, that is correct. Kingsford: So if we are (inaudible) I think that takes care of it. It is a resolution you can escalate that. (Inaudible) Kingsford: Anything else Gary? Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 47 Smith: I have a couple more items, I just want to pass out our consulting engineer that I have been working with on our water pressure situation in the northeast part of town drafted a little four page epistle here for me and I want to give you a copy of it. It kind of explains what he has found in looking into the situation out there and his recommendation. Part of his recommendation is going to probably assuming that you all agree with this necessitated change in our contract on Well No. 16. So I want you to read, I would like to have you read through this and at least by next Council meeting I will have (End of Tape) Basically this is a change in the motor for Well No. 16 from a constant speed to variable speed motor. Kingsford: What kind of price tag might we be talking about in change from this bid do you th ink? Smith: I think on the third page near the bottom he is estimating to put that system into a pressure zone area using a variable speed motor will add approximately $37,000 in construction cost. These variable frequency motors are not inexpensive, in particular this is 125 horse power motor. The operation of the motor, the speed of the motor will be dependant upon the pressure in the system. It will monitor the pressure in the system as the pressure drops the motor speed increases and conversely as the pressure comes up the motor speed decreases. Very similar to what we have at Well No. 14 pump house except it is on a much larger scale. That is a 25 horse power variable speed motor out there. That, I can't remember the exact number, that installation was maybe you can remember Ron was it, it was quite a bit more than it started out, but it started out somewhere around $25,000 and it seemed like when we ended up it was in the fifties to sixty thousand dollar range. With the pipe, that included piping but that was a 25 horse power motor. Tolsma: This is quite a bit different (inaudible) Smith: Yes, correct, it does require a different controller because of the variable speed frequency. Tolsma: That one out there was more of a bypass valve (inaudible). Smith: In Well No. 10 the ramp up ramp down controller it starts the motor at a slower speed, in other words the motor doesn't come on at full speed instantaneously. It ramps the speed of the motor up to full running speed and then prior to a certain number of minutes or seconds prior to shut down the motor starts ramping down. So you don't have a sudden start up and a sudden shut down which causes surges in your line. When you have a big pump such as 10 which is 150 horse power motor pumping 1300 gallons per minute. When that thing starts and stops it is instantaneous and at the time that we did that Meridian City Council July 18,1995 Page 48 Well No. 10 was kind of by itself. The development existing around it that is there now. So the shock wave of the pump shut down or start up was felt by the residents right around the pump house and to the tune of 125 psi and we were blowing service lines apart. Or you are standing in the shower soaped up and the water stops because the pump stopped. Kingsford: Gary, the paragraph just before the $37,000 what is the $42,000 cost there? Smith: There was another concept that we were looking into and that had to do with a pressure reducing valve situation. Boise water has been utilizing that in some of their pressure zones, but this thing when you are talking about a large diameter line a pressure reducing valve gets to be a pretty sizable expense, plus just the expense of the item of the equipment plus you are putting it under ground in a vault a vault that is big enough for a man to enter and it has to be water tight of course. And then you have to find a place to put it if you can't put it in the street. So, it is inside the vault, you have bypass piping in case you have to remove the PRV for maintenance. I guess it gets pretty complex. So, he casted out that, I think it would require 2 of those units. Morrow: Why would you want one of those, what would its function be? Smith: It would modulate the pressure within the pressure zone when the pressure got too high it bleeds the pressure off into the rest of the system the adjacent City system. It keeps the pressure in your pressure zone modulated to a certain leveL I don't think it is as uniform of pressure as you would see by a variable frequency pump or variable frequency motor. That thing modulates and you can sense the pressure somewhere in the system even if it is not right adjacent to the pump. Morrow: Are not the variable speed motors more economical to operate also? Smith: Correct) that is the other part of his comment is that we'll see some cost saving some power savings because of the demand rate that Idaho Power socks us on start up of a big motor. We do get charged for that demand requirement. But on these variable frequencies it is going to run a lot but it is going to be running at a lower voltage, amperage than the constant speed. Corrie: Gary, they (inaudible) additional cost when they do that as well? Smith: Yes, we would have to put check valves in the system in various places so we can isolate so we don't pump back to the whole City. Now the check valve will not allow the pressure to come back into the other part of the City. But it will allow flow to come into the pressure zone if the pressure dropped if we lost the power in the pump for example. If we had a fire a major fire and it out paced the demand of the pump out there the check valve Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 49 the pressure would drop the check valve would open and water from the rest of the City would come through. We may have to as Tim mentioned we may have to do some valving in certain areas too. But anyway he is pretty much convinced and we have talked quite a bit about it that we can do this in that area and pressurize that area. All of the eastern part of town, Commercial Court area where Coors, Albertsons and so forth is out in that area. Crossroad Subdivision, they are experiencing some low pressures and all of the northeast part of town, East of Chateau between Eagle and Locust Grove, excuse me Chateau area and east of Locust Grove and west of Locust Grove too. We may even be getting into a check valve near Meridian Road in Fothergill Subdivision. There is also some inconsistencies here that he can't explain and I have to talk to Bruce Stuart and make sure that we go out and we are going to have to look at valves and make sure that valves are open. Because Tim feels that it is just not the pressure information that we are getting off the recorders is not relating to what it should just by looking at the contour elevations of the ground with the relation to the water level in the tank. The pressure readings that we are getting out there are a lot lower than they should be just by looking at the difference in elevation. So he is thinking that we may have a valve closed somewhere on a big line. It is very possible because of all the construction going on and people turning valving off areas for pressure tests and maybe not getting them all the way open or maybe not open at all. But I wanted you to have that to read that and digest it a little bit. I think I will probably be coming back to you by next Council meeting with some more specific information on the cost change. Tolsma: When Well No. 17 goes on line that should (inaudible) Smith: 17? Tolsma: (Inaudible) Smith: That is 16 that is the one we are equipping with this. Tolsma: That should eliminate part of the problem. Smith: Well, it would when the pump is running if it is a constant speed motor. Now if it is a variable speed then absolutely it will correct that. I don't know, this is not on my agenda so I don't know if I can bring it up? Kingsford: Well, if you had gotten in there before that clock went off. Smith: On our cleaning and television inspection of our sewer system and Walt and I talked a little bit about this but we have a company, municipal service company of Idaho that is starting up they gave us a tremendous bid price on cleaning and inspection of sewer Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 50 lines. Half the cost of what was bid by the other bidder. They have agreed to do some television work for us on the 18 inch line that has just been built in Five Mile Creek for the same cost that they bid on the section in old town that they are going to be doing. It amounts to an increase in their contract of $2857.14, their contract was $14,564.30. So that makes a new price of $17,421.44. I think the other bidder was at $28,000 on the original bid, so we are still $11,000 less than what the other bidder was and we have budget money available for that work. So we thought that it would be worthwhile to send a T. V. camera up that 18 inch line because it is a major trunk or will be a major trunk and just make sure that everything is okay. Kingsford: I think that is a good call, it is not anything they have to bid separate because it is under that and I guess if it is the same unit cost we are talking about (inaudible) we are covered on both areas. Morrow: Do you need a motion to authorize for signature of that? Kingsford: How are you going to treat it Gary are you going to treat it as a change order? Smith: Yes sir, I had it set up as a change order NO.1 on that project. Kingsford: I would entertain a motion for change order NO.1. Morrow: So moved Yerrington: Second Kingsford: Moved by Walt, second by Max to approve change order NO.1 to T.V. the line the 18 inch line out in Five Mile Creek, all those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea Kingsford: Counselor, you are giving me one of the looks, what did I do wrong? Crookston: Well, is this not an entirely new contract? Kingsford: It is a change order when you add something to it. Crookston: Well, I agree, but was the first one actually bid? Did the first one include this work? Smith: No it did not. Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 51 Kingsford: So it is under the bid limits we just do it. Crookston: That is the way you have to handle it, but I don't think you can do a change order. Kingsford: I would entertain a motion to strike the change order. Morrow: So moved Yerrington: Second Kingsford: Moved by Walt, second by Max to strike the aforementioned change order, all those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea Smith: Do you have any questions of me this evening? Kingsford: No, thanks for hanging in there with us this evening and being so bright eyed and bushy tailed. Shari, do you have anything to add to the good of the process? Stiles: No Kingsford: Chief Gordon: (Inaudible) Kingsford: That is commendable, and even further Walt I commend you for hanging in to the bitter end with this bunch. That in itself deserves a plaque. (Inaudible) Crookston: Walt and I were just discussing this last deal for doing the 18 inch line in the Five Mile. It was my understanding that was going to be an entirely new contract. Not a change to the existing contract. Kingsford: Right that is what we just did, we withdrew the change order and now we are going to hire them to do that line. Crookston: That is w'nat it has to be. Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 52 Morrow: That is because it is under the $5,000 limit. Kingsford: Well $5000 bid limit now is $25,000 effective the first of July but we are clearly under that. Crookston: That is what Walt questioned me he thought it was felt to be just a change in the existing contract. Kingsford: I am not sure that you couldn't do that if you are talking about unit cost. But this is probably the cleanest way to do it. Crookston: Right, you do it as an entirely separate contract. Kingsford: Anything else? I do want to ask the Council to stay in Executive Session briefly while we talk about the land acquisition thing. Walt? Morrow: Yes I have three things, one is that Gary do you have the letter to ACHD the formal letter that we can sign tonight to the Commissioners? Smith: No sir I don't I am sorry. Morrow: To bring the Council up to speed the ACHD in their budgeting process for ACHD in the budgeting process for the 5 year work program they have moved back Franklin, East 1 st, Waltman Lane one more year to include right of way purchase in 1997 and construction in 1998. In last night's meeting I negotiated fairly heavily due to some concessions on the part of the Eagle representative and on part of the Western Ada County representative we were able to get some concessions so that I could get that back into 1996-1997 that it was originally done. Part of, and it is a recommendation as this body recommends straight to the Commissioners to recommend to them that it be incorporated within that budget that we will approve as a citizens advisory committee. The point that I also made was that there was a letter coming from the Mayor and the 4 City Councilmen stating the reasons that we wanted that in 1996-97. I will read that letter, "Dear Commissioners, The City of Meridian respectfully requests that the improvement schedule of the above referenced project be maintained as scheduled in your published design and construction review, fiscal year 94-95. Schedule shows right of way to be purchased in fiscal 96 and construction in fiscal 97. We feel it is vitally important for these projects to remain on schedule to provide relief of traffic volume being experienced by East 1 s1. Traffic count of East 1 st Street was measured 20,359 vehicles in March 1995. A two lane roadway with a center turn should handle about 14,000 vehicles per day to provide a level of service. The volume count on this street exceeds this by almost 50% which puts it in level service F. The excessive traffic volume also results in 1) safety issue for pedestrians Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 53 crossing East 1 st Street and 2) safety issue for vehicles accessing East 1 st from non- signalized side streets and 3) safety issues for vehicles ingressing and egressing businesses along East 1 st Street. Also, we continue to receive development requests for areas adjacent to East 1 st which will add a burden to an already overloaded street." In there what we are doing is referencing the development that will go on south of the Bowling complex, north of the Kentucky Fried Chicken. Two of which are completed, there are proposals out for the remainder of that property. So at any rate I will be going to a workshop on the 24th, I want to be able to present this letter to the Ada County Commissioners on the 24th and between this letter and the action by the Committee it sets those budgets hopefully we will keep that project on schedule. So that will be the letter that Gary will be formally typing up and that we will sign. Smith: Walt, I just want to make a comment, that all of the signatures are on the second page of that letter, the only thing that I have to do is get the front page put on letterhead. Morrow: Okay, so we can sign it tonight? Smith: If you want to sign it tonight, if everybody was in agreement with it the way it is written than I can just have Ann put that on the City letterhead, the front page on City letterhead tomorrow. Or I can re-do it so you can see it in total, however you would like to handle it. But since everybody is together I just was making that as a suggestion tonight. Morrow: I don't have a problem with signing it tonight. Kingsford: If it is your desire I would like to sign it tonight because I probably won't be around prior to the 24th meeting. I will be back on the 24th. Morrow: Having taken care of that the next couple of issues is that we have a strategic planning meeting next Tuesday a week from tonight. We also will be covering the personnel manual, we will have everything back from all the department heads for that meeting with respect to the personnel manual. Kingsford: Bob, the Rural Commissioners do they have their comments? Corrie: We had a meeting last night. Morrow: The other thing that I wanted to bring up is sewer and water rates, hook up fees, we need to do the annual look at that. And the final question was the old school, have either you Will or Wayne received an action response from the Alidjani's in terms of the securing of that building? Where are we with that? Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 54 Berg: Just that one letter that I made a copy of and put in your box. Kingsford: From Mae saying that Judge Williamson was going to authorize the funds to do that. Berg: (Inaudible) Morrow: Has that authorization been secured and is there an action plan to get those things accomplished! Berg: I don't know because Mae was out of town last week and I haven't talked to him this week. Morrow: So could we follow up with that and find out what the status of that is? Berg: I will call and talk to him and see what kind of a plan he has for that and please document it and get it to us. Morrow: My next question when we will be starting the budget workshops, those are in August. Kingsford: That is one of the things I wanted to bring up, Will has asked all the departments to have theirs in by the 25th which is next Tuesday. As soon as that is put together we are anticipating, what was it from the Tax Commission with regard to the information sent in on building permits? When were we going to get that fee back? Berg: Hopefully by the first of August. Kingsford: So we will be starting those I think about you calendar and let's discuss that Tuesday next about putting together however many of those you want to be on the calendar. I would say that probably somewhere after the 7th or 10th Will and I will have an opportunity crunch a few numbers and know what our revenues are going to be and the tax are in then we can start working on those items. Morrow: And then we will address the sewer and water rates, the hook up rates at prior to budget hearings? Kingsford: I think clearly we should because that is going to greatly affect if you change them that is going to greatly affect the revenue for both of those enterprise funds. Morrow: Maybe we ought to look at that this coming Tuesday. Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 55 Kingsford: I think that is probably a good idea. If we could have some comparative information and cost analysis of where we are at. Morrow: I guess Gary that would be up to you to generate that information and we throw another burden on you already. Kingsford: You can probably pass that off onto John and Bruce too and they can generate some of that, or maybe Bruce Freckleton. Let's have some idea of where we are at with those pictures. Anything else Walt? Morrow: No, that covers everything that I had. Kingsford: Max? Yerrington: Nothing your honor. Kingsford: Bob? Corrie: Nothing Kingsford: Ron? Tolsma: Nothing Kingsford: I guess the Executive Session issue, the letter that you dropped to their attorney saying you are going to be out of town maybe we can cover that next Tuesday just as easily. Crookston: I had a discussion with the attorney and he understands that I was going to be out of town and that I would get back to him when I got back in town. He had no problem with that. Kingsford: Let's maybe just leave that to next Tuesday. What I am talking about you guys is the purchase of the site that we had discussed in last year's budget, the park, the 15 acres. Let's leave that until the next meeting or unless you want to talk about it tonight. Crookston: Either way if fine with me. I really don't have much to tell you other than the little bit of discussion that I had with the attorney and with the owner. The only question that came out of that was in my mind was the dollar amount agreed upon basically and that apparently was done. At least a tentative agreement. Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 56 Kingsford: Well, again that has to be up to the Council and my agreement basically was the the appraisal price and it was just re-appraised again it was a current one at the seller's expense. Crookston: That is alii have on it. Kingsford: Do you guys want to discuss that tonight or next Tuesday? Morrow: Okay, so what are the issues that we are going to talk about? Kingsford: Do you want to talk about it tonight, executive session you can talk about real estate purchases. So where we are to now is fish or cut bait. We are proceeding with the acquisition or not that is where we are too. Morrow: I think we need to have a real heart to heart discussion given the events with the golf course. It may very well change how we look at any of these things. So, from my perspective I think that we maybe need to start over and take a look at all of these things. Because if they are going to get messed up like the golf course issue got messed up then we need to start over. That is as I see it. Very candidly and I think those issues need to be discussed in a no holds barred forum. Whether it is an item next Tuesday doesn't matter to me. Kingsford: Well, since we are starting at 6:30 next Tuesday let's do it next Tuesday. Do you have anything? Entertain a motion to adjourn. Corrie: So moved Morrow: Second Kingsford: Moved by Bob, second by Walt to adjourn, all those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea MEETING ADJOURNED AT 10: 17 P.M. (TAPE ON FILE FOR THESE PROCEEDINGS) Meridian City Council July 18, 1995 Page 57 ATTEST: ~~~~~~ WILLIAM G. BERG, JR., ITV LERK APPROVED: G MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING: APPLICANT REQUEST; DEPARTMENT REPORTS JULY 18.1995 ITEM NUMBER; 16 AGENCY CITY CLERK: CITY ENGINEER: CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: CITY ATTORNEY: CITY POLICE DEPT: CITY FIRE DEPT: CITY BUILDING DEPT: MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: MERIDIAN POST OFFICE: ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: ADA COUNTY STREET NAME COMMITTEE: CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION; SETTLERS IRRIGATION: IDAHO POWER: US WEST: INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: BUREAU OF RECLAMATION: OTHER: All Materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. 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"$ ? ~4' \l b j ~ r- It \ ': It. ~l \ " (j\ .Q ~ 0 C -1-' UI\ ..s \\ 00 - t-~ 4. .(1\ -":I - .- .,-' HUB OF TREASURE VALLEY OFFICIALS A Good Place to Live COUNCIL MEMBERS RONALD R TOLSMA MAX YERRINGTON ROBERT D CORRIE WALTW MORROW SHARI STILES Planner & Zoning Admlnlslrator JIM JOHNSON Chairman. Planning & Zoning WILLIAM G BERG, JR, City Clerk JANICE L GASS. City Treasur"r GARY D SMITH. PE. City Engineer BRUCE D STUART. Water WorkS SUP!. JOHN T SHAWCROFT, Waste Wale' Supl KENNY W. BOWERS, File Chief W L "BILL" GORDON, PolieeCh.e! WAYNE G CClOOKSTON. JR, Attorney CITY OF MERIDIAN 33 EAST IDAHO MERIDIAN, IDAHO 83642 Phone (208) 888-44330 FAX (208) 8874813 Public W orksl Building Department (208) 887-221 1 GRANT P. KINGSFORD Mayor April 6, ] 995 MEMORANDUM TO: MA YOR & COUNCI~ Gary D. Smith, PE ferj ~ 1. BUSfNESS LICENSE 2. STOREY PARK PICNIC SHELTER RESERVATION FEE FROM: RE: 1. I request your consideration for the addition of a provision in our ordinance requiring a "business license" for any business operating within the corporate boundaries of the City of Meridian. This requirement would provide information to all city departments (Sewer and Water Accounting; Sewer and Water Operations; Planning & Zoning Admin.; City Clerk; Police; Fire; Building; etc.) that can, for example, aid us in determining if modifications need to be made to an existing building when a business use changes. Today we are made aware of a business use change by: 1. Recognition in Valley News-Times; or 2, A building permit being obtained for remodelling by a reputable contractor; or 3. Noticed by one of your staff when driving by, I personally feel we would be better able to deal with problems that sometimes occur when a building use changes if we knew a little time ahead of the change of use. 2. 1 request your consideration for the addition of a provision in our ordinance requiring the payment of a tfuse fee" to reserve either of the two picnic shelters in Storey Park. This could be a nornir?-l f"f' (":+'':1Y $10.00 that would help offset the costo:; 0fdf."~rnl!", ()fthf> shelter area and dumping of the adjacent waste cans. Last year we logged approximately 400 reservations for the picnic shelters and this $10.00 nominal fee would have returned $4,000.00 to the park~ budget. Having to deal with a monetary cap on our general fund budget and the accelerating growth of our area provides some justification for this request. Generally speaking the shelters and surrounding area are left in good condition after a use however, we do have instances of abuse by users. The shelters are not always used by Meridian citizens although I suspect they are a majority user. Thank you for consideration of these two requests, PUBLIC PARK RESERVATION FEES Boise Municipal- Ann Morrison - Julia Davis I-50 people - Charge $25,00 (4 hours); + additional $lO.OO/hr. extra for each hour over 4 hours 51-100 people - Charge $35.00 (4 hours); + additional $lO.OO/hr. extra for each hour over 4 hours 101-300 people - Charge $50,00 (4 hours); + additional $lO.OO/hr. extra for each hour over 4 hours 301-800 people - Charge $60,00 (4 hours); + additional $lO.OO/hr, extra for each hour over 4 hours Provides water and power at each shelter. Offers 24 hour emergency telephone to call if something is wrong at the shelter. Call main office for reservations. Office sends the reservation notice to the person, who then has 2 weeks to send in money. lfnot, reservation is cancelled. Reservation taking from mid-February to mid-October. Additional charge.is made for extra tables. J' t J >> . ~ on~"'-.~"__~ PARK INFORMATION \_) ADDRESSES Lakeview Parte..................................................... Garrity Blvd. -Be 16th Ave. N. West Park.....:............. ..... ......... ........................... .... Lone Star Rd. & Midland Blvd. Lions Park................................................................ Davis Ave. & Winther Blvd. Kurtz PaJic.............................................................. Holly St. & Amity S1. Housing Project Park........................................... 2nd St. N. & 17th Ave. N. Hunter Pane........................ .................... .............. 9th Ave. N. & Phyllis Canal City Acres Parlc..................................................... 4th Rd. N. & 4th St. N. Ext. TENNIS COURTS Lakeview Park - 3 courts West Park - 4 courts Lions Park - 3 courts Kurtz Park - 2 courts ROSE GARDEN . Lakeview Park - 1 garden SWIMMING POOLS Lakeview Park - 1 pool Lions Park - 1 pool BASKETBALL COURTS Lakeview' Park - 1 court West Park - 1 court Lions Park - 1 court Housing Project Park - 1 court Hunter Park - 1 court City Acres Park - 1 court WALKING/JOGGING PATH West Park - 1 path SOFTBALL FIELDS lakeview Park - 3 fields West Park - 4 fields Lions Park - 3 fields Kurtz Park - 1 field Housing Project Park - 1 field Hunter Park - 1 field City Acres Park - 1 field VOLLEYBALL COURTS Lakeview Park - 1 court West Park - 1 court Lions P.ark - 1 court RECEIVED JUN 2 2 1995 BASEBALL FIELDS West Park - 1 field iVlER10lMl GlTY ENGINEEF: \Xlin,wn K. Co<:rillg '\f,'ynr . UI Consrimtion Way Nampa, [J.lh() B368G (20B) 465-22 t 5 RECREATION DEPARTMENT PARKS RESERVATION FEES Park Reservation: S10.50 (includes tax) per reservation + Dumpster Fee Based on Party Size. Dumpster Charges: Amphitheater: Party Size 50-99 100~ 199 200-299 300+ ~ Amount $12.50 $17.50 $22.50 $30.00 + S10.00 per every 100 persons in party over 300 $25.00 for first 3 hrs. $5.00 per hour for every hour thereafter. Must have a completed amphitheater reservation form turned in and it must be authorized. Vendor or Concessionaire: $10.00 for a vendor selling goods. $25.00 for a concessionaire selling any food item(s). Must have a concessionaire application turned in, and approved 48 hours before event date. ;RESERV ABLE AREAS ..Iakeview #1: Large Fireplace Area, covered shelter, power, water. Area adjacent to and west of fireplace area covered shelter, power and water. Jakeview #2: rfaple Grove: ,ions Park #1: ,ions Park #2: vest Park #1: Test Park #2: ose Garden: [befty Pg.rk: Grass area next to Lakeview # 1. East of 16th Ave., covered shelter. Near the house, covered shelter, power, and water. /' Near the pool, covered~helte\~/power and water. . \ Large covered shelter by the pond, and water. Smaller shelter by the restrooms, covered shelter, and water. Gazebo Covered shelter t' Winsron K. Goering Mayor Nampa Recrearion Center 131 Constiturion Way Nampa, Idaho 83686 RECREATION DEPARTMENT (208) 465-2215 FAX (208) 465-2282 CITYOFNAMPA PARKS RESERVATION REQUEST 1. LOCATION REQUESTED: Lakeview Park # 1 (w/fireplace) Lakeview Park #2 (grass area next to Lakeview # 1) Maple Grove (East of 16th Ave near archery range) Lions Park (near the house) Lions Park (near the pool) West Park (by pond) West Park #2 (by restrooms) Liberty Park Rose Garden 2. DATE REQUESTED: Day of Week: Month / Day / Year: Time of Day: From: A.M. / P.M. To: A.M. / P.M. 3. NAME OF PARTY/GROUP/ORGANIZATION: 4. TYPE OF FUNCTION: 5. CONTACT PERSON: 6, PHONE: (home) (work) 7. HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU EXPECT: I CHARGES I I l*The total charge for the reservation is to be made payable to "City of Nampatt and must be received I prior to confirmation. Reservation Fee: $10.50 (includes tax) Dumpster Fee: $ TOTAL $ RECEIVED AND APPROVED BY: DATE: rC!c fl he tL ..- (c ft,.hJ 7-lf-7~ dJ'fJY1- Glenn K. Bennett, I',L.S. President Civil Survey Consultants, Inc. P.O. Box 39 1530 W. State Street Meridian, Idaho 83680 (208}888.4312 Fax 888.0323 Timothy A. Burgess. P,E, Vice President July 17, 1995 Gary Smith, P.E. City Engineer City of Meridian 33 E. Idaho Avenue Meridian. ID 83642 RECEIVED 8 Re: Northeast Meridian Water System Pressure MERIDIAN CITY ENGtNEER Dear Gary: As requested, I have evaluated the information available concerning water system pressure problems being experienced in the northeast part of Meridian. The purpose of this letter is to summarize my effort to date and make a recommendation as to a solution to the problem. First I would like to summarize my understanding of the problem which needs to be addressed. Over the past two years Meridian has been receiving complaints about a lack of water system pressure in the east and northeast part of town. In general the problem area includes everything east of Locust Grove and also the area bounded by Meridian Road on the west and Fairview Avenue on the south. The City has experienced significant residential growth in this area; my count is approximately 1200 residential lots, and several commercial developments. There is a significant amount of additional proposed development in the area which will increase water system demand and contribute to the low pressure problems. A solution must be developed to protect the current users in the area and provide for the needs of future growth. This solution must be implemented as soon as possible. I would also like to summarize how your water system maintains pressure. Meridian's water system currently has two pressure zones. The first zone encompasses the entire City lying north of the freeway. Pressure in this zone is provided by maintaining the water level in the elevated reservoir. System demand is met by sequentially starting and stopping well pumps located throughout the City which pump directly into the system to meet demand, and keep the reservoir full. There is also a high pressure zone in t~lC area south of Overland and east of MeridiZ'.n ROi",r1, The high zone is pressurized by variable speed booster pumps located in the Well 14 building located at Meridian Road and Southeast 5tb Way. As a first step in my evaluation I,reviewed what static pressures could be expected within the problem area. Static water system pressure is directly related to the differential elevation between the water surface in the elevated reservoir and ground surface. My review was based upon the elevations shown on the USGS quadrangle map since it is the only available map that encompases the entire area, During this review I found that the area beginning approximately 1/4 mile west of Eagle Road, and extending Smith July] 8, ] 995 Page 2 of 4 east, is at a ground elevation equal to, or above, your current high pressure zone in the Meridian Greens area. This explains the pressure complaints in the Crossroads Subdivision and Commerce Park Subdivision. The pressure problems in the remaining areas are a little more difficult to explain. Static pressure in the area between Locust Grove and Eagle Road north ofFairview should be in the 50 to 60 psi range. Static pressure in the area between Meridian Road and Locust Grove north of Fairview should be in the 60 to 70 psi range. These static pressure predictions were confirmed by the pressure charts from tests in the area. Pressures below static pressure are due to friction losses in the distribution system between the pressure source, which is the elevated reservoir and or well pumps, and the point of demand. Some pressure loss occurs as water moves down the water main between the source and point of demand due to friction. During normal demand periods these losses are typically very small and not noticed. As demands increase, SLlch as peak demand periods around 6:00 to 9:00 am, pressure losses increase. Significant losses may also occur in the individual service pipes from the main to the house, particularly if they are undersized or in poor condition. A review of the pressure charts furnished to me shows that static pressures are in the 50 to 70 psi range, and actual operating pressures are in the 37 to 70 psi range. It is my experience that when pressures drop below 50 psi is typically when the complaints start to occur. One way to minimize pressure losses due to friction is to install large diameter water mains, and loop the water system. I performed a visual review of your water system model network node and element map to see if there were any obvious areas which may be contributing to the pressure losses. The problem area is serviced by a 10" main which is approximately 8000 feet long between looping in Pine, a 8" main which is approximately 2500 feet long between looping in Fairview, and a 10" main approximately 3000 feet long between looping in E. Woodbury Dr. IN. Arrow Wood Way I E. Hawk 81.. Based upon my review, it appears you have a adequate network of pipes in this area to meet current average day demands. When you start into peak hour, which could be demands in the 1200 to 1800 gpm range, head losses in these long non-looped trunk lines could be significant and contributing to the problem. The area north ofFairview between Meridian Road and Eagle Road has experienced significant growth in the past two years. As part of this growth there has been some additional looping ofthe distribution system. Looping should increase performance of the system, but you have indicated that none has been observed. One explanation is that the benefit from additional looping has been offset by the additional demand. There is also the possibility that through all of the construction, and assGciated testing, some main line valves have been left closed. This could explain some of the pressure problems being experienced in area. Based upon my review and my observations as summarized above, I believe there is a definite need to establish a high pressure zone in the area from approximately 114 mile east of Eagle Road, and extending eastward. This high zone should be interconnected with the current high zone. There may also be a need for second high zone to service the area around 81. Lukes. I believe the area between Locust Grove Smith July 18, 1995 Page 3 of 4 on the west and Eagle Road on the east lying north ofFairview should also be included in the high zone. I am not sure if the area between Meridian Road on the west and Locust Grove on the east lying north of Fairview should be included in the high zone. There are two possibilities for a new zone. One would be to build a booster pump station similar to the Meridian Greens Station. Another would be to utilize the existing and new wells to boost pressure in the zone. Constructing a new booster station for the pressure similar to the Well No. 14 station is possible. It would require a redesign of the pump house which would take several months to accomplish, obtain new design approvals by DEQ, advertise, bid and construct. Since there is an immediate need for the pressure zone I recommend that the separate booster station concept be eliminated at this time and the pressure be boosted through the use of Well No. 16. A separate booster station may be required to service the St. Lukes area. This will depend upon how high we can boost the currently proposed zone pressure, and what the actual pressure needs at the S1. Lukes Facility. The project to construct pumping facilities for Well No. 16 has been bid and awarded. This contract is scheduled to be completed within 60 days of notice to proceed. It will be completed sometime towards the end of September. We can create the pressure zone by simply installing pressure relief/sustaining valve installations at two locations, closing some main line valves at key locations, and running Well No. 16 continuously. We can also create the pressure zone by installing a variable speed motor control on Well No 16, installing check valves at two locations, and closing some main line valves at key locations. These changes can be accomplished by change order to the existing bid. They will probably require an additional!5 to 30 days to complete and will therefore extend the project completion to the end of October. This concept can definitely create the pressure zone, be completed within approximately 90 days, and provide some flexibility to experiment with the zone before its boundaries are fixed. I estimate the concept to add the pressure zone using the pressure relief/reducing concept will add approxil118tely $42,000 in construction cost to the project. It will also require additional engineering services to design the facility and additional sites to construct the pressure relief/sustaining valve installations. I estimate the concept to add the pressure zone using the variable speed motor control concept will add approximately $37,000 in construction costs. It will require some additional engineering services to design and implement but will not require any additional sites. The variable speed motor control will also reduce the annual power costs to operate Well No. 16. Smith July 18. 1995 Page 4 of 4 I am recommending that the City implement the variable speed concept. It will provide the pressure zone at the least initial cost, it will require the least amount of time, and will save money in operating power cost. This concept will not fully fulfill is fire flow under boosted conditions. During maximum demand periods I estimate Well No. 16 will deliver between 1900 and 2100 gallons per minute. This is not adequate to meet the all zone demands and fire demands simultaneously. As part of this concept I am proposing to install check valves at two locations. During low pressure conditions these will open and allow water into the high zone from the low zone. This should allow Well No 16 and the flow from the low zone to meet the fire flow needs, but this needs to be confirmed. It may be necessary to include Well No. JOin the high zone to fulfill fire flow demands. This will be confirmed prior to final implementation. I am not sure if the area between Meridian Road on the west, Locust Grove on the east lying north of Fairview should be included in the high zone. I recommend that some additional pressure testing be conducted in this area, along with a check of all valves to see if they are open in an effort ot confirm why the problem exists in this area. I also recommend that some additional trunk lines be considered in this area to reduce the length of the previously described trunk lines whic service the area and provide additional looping. Sincerel y, ~~ Tim Burgess, P.E. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL AGENDA TUESDAY, JULY 18,1995 -7:30 P.M. CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS 1. MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING HELD JULY 5, 1995: ?/rct/-€... JpeMU //U.~/(h,-, 10 tJcJA- [lack!} TABLED JUNE 20, 1995: REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION AND ZONING OF C-G FOR 74 ACRES BY E.L. BEWS: f;vw (Afi~ /h~, I Sf? TABLED JUNE 20,1995: PUBLIC HEARING FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR MIXED, PLANNED BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIAL LAND USES BY E.L. SEWS: tiUL ~ AI'./JP TABLED JULY 5, 1995: FINAL PLAT FOR LOS ALAMITOS PARK SUBDIVISION NO.2, BY FARWEST DEVELOPERS: -mote ,0/,,7'7/ 17kcf' /!P A /Y;J h7 ve d.- ?,..Jit: It c: 87Lctl }-/ern. R tt_ TABLED JULY 5, 1995: FINAL PLAT FOR SALMON RAPIDS SUBDIVISION NO.2, BY FARWEST DEVELOPERS: a;: J? r l> I/,e c( tV/rA (! O??.-d/ h (Tn.e d FINAL PLAT: HAVEN COVE SUBDIVISION NO.5, 74 LOTS BY INTERWEST DEVELOPMENT: approvcd. 01/1-"-. C4nc6 hlJ-r..-ecG FINAL PLAT: WATERBURY PARK SUBDIVISION NO.5, 52 LOTS BY RAMON YORGASON: rr<-6f!.ev0 ~ ~ 1-[9 TABLED JUNE 20, 1995: REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION AND ZONING OF 39.87 ACRES TO R-4 BY PNE/EDMONDS CONSTRUCTION (PACKARD SUBDIVISION: fzriz.&. ~ IftfVl;:lf) is kMtL - a/flTOt/.e af/7l.e~~;;lr! elL 6/;J a41rt-7-?.7~ )'J'UjJlYU! Cf1-~ PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR PACKARD SUBDIVISION BY PNElEDMONDS CONSTRUCTION: -,hL..ue ~ ~dJ trrv PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION A~R ZONING OF 20.67 ACRES TO C-G BY W. H. MOORE: _ ~;fFn;>ve j/'PI c I ( e;ry #..:-f~J it? ~,Ptv-...L GiUt~-" PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION AND ZONING OF .65 ACRE TO C-G BY LEEANN LONGSON: aff-rove ;:/.f f e/t.. tift.! ai~ '1 10 .fYU-?(Yte cn~4A"LOV PUBLIC HEARING: RE:QUEST FOR A VARIANCE FOR ENGLEWOOD SUBDIVISION BY REWABHAI PATEL: ;fftff . {lily afftJVney -1-0 ~/~ /'/; felt. 12. 13. 14. 15. 16. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO OPERATE A RETAIL BAKERY BY ROBERT PREECE: a;Jj?roV'-e -/'Ir I elL dj?trw..l dt(//Jl~ REQUEST FOR A ONE YEAR EXTENSION OF THE APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR CHAMBERLAIN ESTATES NO.2 BY KEVIN HOWELL: 4f'f1rot/~ NON-DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR SUMMERFIELD SUBD1VISION NO.2: 4'jJ,P/7IV-e auJJvor-/7..ut I~jt.n. 10 J'/j~ COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS FOR BEDFORD PLACE: o/;1rO;Y0 DEPARTMENT REPORTS: A. GARY SMITH, C1TY ENGINEER: 1. BID OPENING RESULTS - WELL NO. 16 PUMP/PUMP HOUSE: 2. PICNIC SHELTER RESERVATION FEE: 17. EXECUTIVE SESSION: CITY OF MERIDIAN PUBLIC MEETING SIGN-UP SHEET ~. ;l}p/o /f~~to/ ~--_v a~~ PHONE NUMBER S-%%- Cf1-?j- ffcfI - 7.J-Y =< ~ ~tf -d2cYd5 ?Y4/- ,;Zcf1 CITY OF MERIDIAN PUBLIC MEETING SIGN-UP SHEET /f/r,v> De C / PHONE NUMBER "3 ~~~S'<;j s';) cf~r- 22J? dJE~ 2 2- 5--~ q3J~ OScJ3 . .,.gc2_ &O-Z g-g ~ --6 I L( 2. OFFICIALS WILLIAM G, BERG, JR., City Clerk JANICE L GASS, City Treasurer GARY D. SMITH, P.E,. City Engineer BRUCE D. STUART, Water Works Sup!. JOHN T. SHAWCROFT, Waste Water Sup!. DENNIS J. SUMMERS, Parks Sup!. SHARI S. STilES, P & Z Adm. PATTY A. WOLFKIEL, DMV Supervisor KENNETH W. BOWERS, Fire Chief W.L "BILL' GORDON, Police Chief WAYNE G. CROOKSTON, JR,. Attorney ff/1t,/ved 7-/8'-47 c; jnkJ. -vI~ COUNCil MEMBERS l..-- - ~ d I' ~ "l-VkONALD R. TOLSMA JT 'MAX YERRINGTON CITY OF MERIDIAN ~~~~.~gg:~~ HUB OF TREASURE VALLEY A Good Place to Live 33 EAST IDAHO MERIDIAN, IDAHO 83642 Phone (208) 888-4433 . FAX (208) 887-4813 Public WorksfBuilding Department (208) 887-2211 Motor VehicleIDrivers License (208) 888-4443 P & Z COMMISSION JIM JOHNSON, Chairman MOE AUDJANI JIM SHEARER CHARLIE ROUNTREE TIM HEPPER GRANT P. KINGSFORD Mayor July 17, 1995 Honorable Commissioners Ada County Highway District 318 E. 37th St. Boise, Idaho 83714 RE: FRANKLIN ROAD/l\1ERIDIAN ROAD/ E. 1ST ST. - WALTMAN INTERSECTION ACHD PROJECT NO. 52091 AND 52092 Dear Commissioners: The City of Meridian respectfully requests that the improvement schedule for the above referenced project be maintained as scheduled in your published "Design & Construction Review - FY 94-9511. This schedule shows right of way to be purchased in FY '96 and construction in FY '97. We feel it vitally important for these projects to remain on schedule to provide relief of the traffic volume being experienced by E. 1 st Street. The traffic count on E. 1 st Street was measured at 20,359 vehicles in March 1995. A two lane roadway with a center left turn lane should handle about 14,000 vehicles per day to provide a Level of Service (LOS) C. The volume count on this street exceeds this by almost 50 percent. This excessive traffic volume also results in: 1. Safety issue for pedestrians crossing E. 1st St., and 2. Safety issue for vehicles accessing E. 1st from non-signalized side streets, and 3. Safety issue for vehicles ingress and egress of businesses along E. 1st St. Also, we continue to receive requests for development of areas adjacent to E. 1 st St. which will add burden to an already over loaded street. Please maintain the scheduling of these two projects for the reasons stated above, Sincerely, ~n~rqr~ Mayor ~ ~J7uJ Ron Tolsma Council President "-r;: / <r,l, ~ /, ; '1~~t-...C Bob Corrie Councilman (jr?r/ $:.-r=-. Max Y~n~n Councilman ~~ Councilman cc: File City Engineer