HomeMy WebLinkAbout2023-05-23 Work Session Minutes Meridian City Council Work Session May 23, 2023.
A Meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order at 4.32 p.m. Tuesday, May
23, 2023, by Mayor Robert Simison.
Members Present: Robert Simison, Joe Borton, Brad Hoaglun, Luke Cavener, Jessica
Perreault, Liz Strader and John Overton.
Also present: Chris Johnson, Bill Nary, Bruce Feckleton, Mercedes Amador, Kelly
Johnston, Emily Kane, Kim Warren, Scott Colaianni, Jordan Reese and Dean Willis.
ROLL-CALL ATTENDANCE
_X_ Liz Strader _X_ Joe Borton
_X_ Brad Hoaglun _X_ John Overton
_X_ Jessica Perreault _X_Luke Cavener
X Mayor Robert E. Simison
Simison: Council, we will go ahead and call the meeting to order. For the record it is
May 23rd, 2023, at 4.32 p.m. We will begin this afternoon's work session with roll call
attendance.
ADOPTION OF AGENDA
Simison: Next item is the adoption of the agenda.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: We do want to add another -- we have an Executive Session on our agenda
already in place, but we also want to add Executive Session under 74-206(1)(i) from
Idaho Code for Executive Session as well and that will be the first item that we will
discuss during Executive Session. So, with that, Mr. Mayor, that addition, I move that
we approve the agenda as amended.
Overton: Second.
Simison: Have a motion and a second to adopt the agenda as amended. Is there any
discussion? If not, all in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay? The ayes have it
and the agenda is adopted as amended.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
CONSENT AGENDA [Action Item]
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1. Approve Minutes of the May 2, 2023 City Council Work Session
2. Approve Minutes of the May 9, 2023 City Council Work Session
3. Approve Minutes of the May 9, 2023 City Council Regular Meeting
4. Bridge Apartments Sanitary Sewer and Water Main Easement No. 1
ESMT-2023-0072
5. 2701 Kum & Go Water Main Easement (ESMT-2023-0078)
6. Slim Chickens Water Main Easement ESMT-2023-0068
7. Temporary Construction Easement with ACHD for Construction of
Fivemile Pathway/Ninemile Crossing Project (Segment D)
8. TM Center Subdivision No. 1 Cafe Zupas Water Main Easement No. 1
ESMT-2023-0076
9. S. Wayfinder Avenue Extension Sanitary Sewer Easement No. 1
ESMT-2023-0070
10. S. Wayfinder Avenue Extension Water Main Easement No. 1 ESMT-
2023-0069
11. Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law for King's Congregation
Church (H-2023-0013) by Glancey Rockwell & Associates, located at
1150 E. Pienza St.
12. Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law for Modern Craftsman Franklin
(H-2022-0079) by Horrocks Engineers, Inc., located at 4540, 4490 &
4420 W. Franklin Rd., approximately 1/4 mile east of the northeast
corner of W. Franklin Rd. and N. Black Cat Rd.
13. Approval of Task Order 1181.e to Stantec Consulting Services, Inc.
for the Tertiary Filtration Upgrade — Final Design for the Not-To-
Exceed amount of $2,256,927.00
14. Acceptance Agreement Between Capitol Contemporary Gallery and
the City of Meridian for Display of Artwork in Initial Point Gallery at
Meridian City Hall
15. Agreement between City of Meridian and The Housing Company for
use ofAmerican Rescue Plan Act Funds
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16. Approval of AIA A133 Agreement with Kreizenbeck Constructors,
LLC. for CMGC Pre-Construction Services - Meridian Community
Center, for the Not-To-Exceed Amount of $50,000.00.
17. Agreement with Western States Equipment Company to sponsor the
Mini Heavy Equipment Rodeo on June 7, 2023.
18. Quitclaim Deed from City of Meridian to City of Meridian
19. Quitclaim Deed from City of Meridian to PS Mountain West, LLC,
doing business as Public Storage
20. Quitclaim Deed from PS Mountain West, LLC, doing business as
Public Storage, to City of Meridian
21. Access Easement Agreement conveying easement from PS Mountain
West, LLC, doing business as Public Storage, to City of Meridian for
Use of Access Road Following Property Boundary Adjustment
22. Resolution No. 23-2389: A Resolution of the Mayor and the City
Council of the City of Meridian, Reappointing David Ballard to Seat 1,
Walter Steed to Seat 2, and Zach Shoemaker to Seat 3 of the Meridian
Transportation Commission; and Providing an Effective Date
23. Resolution No. 23-2390: A Resolution Accepting Student Artwork for
Traffic Box Art Installation; and Providing an Effective Date
24. City of Meridian Financial Report -April 2023
Simison: Next up is the Consent Agenda.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: I move that we approve the Consent Agenda as published and for the Mayor
to sign and Clerk to attest.
Perreault: Second.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to approve the Consent Agenda. Is there any
discussion? If not, all in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay? The ayes have it
and the Consent Agenda is agreed to.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
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Simison: And thank you, Mr. Ballard, for being here for your Consent Agenda item. We
much appreciate it.
ITEMS MOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA[Action Item]
Simison: There were no items moved from the Consent Agenda.
DEPARTMENT/ COMMISSION REPORTS [Action Item]
25. Employee Health Benefits Trust Update
Simison: So, we will go into Department/Commission Reports. First item up is Item 25,
which is the Employee Health Benefits Trust update. I will turn this over to Mr. Nary.
Nary: Thank, Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council. Thanks for the opportunity to present
an update on our health plan trust and kind of our progress we have made over the last
few years. With me today -- I'm -- I'm presenting as the trust chair, but the people who
really know what we are doing are in the back as usual. We have other members who
are trustees -- arrows, right, Chris? There we go. So, our -- our other trustees on our --
our group myself, Alex Freitag from Public Works, Christena Barney from HR, who,
unfortunately, couldn't be here today. Eli Daniel from IT. And Justin Northway from the
police. Eric Strolberg was one of our original trustees. He retired a few months ago.
So, Justin's been being part of our benefits committee and coming to our express
meetings for a number of years. So, it's an easy simple transition to Justin taking on
Eric's position as a trustee. We also work through other partners. We have the city
benefits committee that has members of HR, including Reba White, who is also in the
room and probably can answer some particular specific questions you may have if you
do on some of the trust workings. We have members of the Finance Department. We
have, again, Alex from Public Works. We have Matt Ferronato and Justin from MPD.
We have Eli from -- from IT. Renee White from Parks. Vince Koontz from the Mayor's
Office and myself. We also work through partners. We have, as you see on the slide,
we have -- from the Gallagher firm we have Cindy Tealey and Scott Howell and Tasha
Norman and I think Cindy and Scott are here today. They have been great partners for
the city. They have helped us tremendously in getting this trust off the ground and
getting this approved through the Department of Insurance and maintaining the integrity
of the trust, maintaining the necessity and the needs that we are trying to provide to our
employees. We also work with Blue Cross of Idaho. We have personnel that we work
with directly that come to both our benefits committee meetings, as well as our trust
meetings monthly. Delta Dental. We have our contacts with them. And VSP. So, it is a
very large group effort to maintain this trust and it has been working quite well. We are
very pleased with it and I'm happy to be able to bring this to you today. So, a little bit of
timeline for both -- Councilman Overton wasn't here when we started this particular side
of it and also for the public's perspective. So, we launched in January of 2020 and there
was a lot of work and lift beforehand and I will give the credit to both Renee or, excuse
me, of Reba and Christena from HR, because the working through the Department of
Insurance -- Department of Insurance doesn't have a lot of public sector trusts like this.
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They deal with a lot of trusts. Most of them are not public entities. They usually are
private trusts that may support a public group, but they may not necessarily be a public
entity as the back, you know, of it. So, it's a little different lift for them and a little bit
cautious lift for them, because there isn't a lot of them in this state and so there was a
lot of work and a lot of misunderstanding and lack of clarity sometimes and Christena
and Reba certainly did a lot -- and I will especially give credit to Christena and really
trying to manage that to get it off the ground, to get it started, to get it funded properly,
to get it approved properly, to get the comfort level with the Department of Insurance
that a public entity with trustees made up of employees, with the support of the entity,
the municipality, could provide this type of trust arrangement for its employees without
us working through a separate company or a separate entity to manage it. So, again,
we work with the Department of Insurance for the self funding. So, January of 2020 we
launched for the medical and, then, in 2021 we added dental and vision. So, we used a
broker and consultants. We have legal counsel. We have our broker. We have
consultants. We have legal -- our legal counsel Kevin West. We have an accountant.
We have an auditor. We also -- so we have to do actuarials. We have actuarials that
we work with to help us make sure we set the rates properly, have the right funding
sources properly, have the right reserves in place to fund this program and maintain it
and maintain it and -- and for -- for the public, as well as the Council Members and
Mayor -- may not recall our basis for doing this was to try to realize savings and those
savings, instead of becoming profits for a third party, would be profits that could be
retained by the trust and the city and those -- those retained earnings could be used
towards advancing the program further, providing greater opportunities or programs for
employees and so we have short-term and long-term goals, but I will say the lesson
learned, do not start a trust before a worldwide pandemic. If that's an opportunity you
can avoid I would suggest you avoid that. That was a huge lesson learned for everyone
and to, then, begin as a partially self-funded health trust in the middle of a pandemic,
when some things were free, some things we paid for, we didn't know what we were
paying for, we didn't know it was free. It was a very very challenging time to begin a
program like this. I -- in hindsight I wish we had started it in 2019 or 2018 and we may
have weathered through, but we weathered through and we were able with the support
of the City Council we were able to carry through, maintain the trust, maintain the
confidence with the Department of Insurance and maintain the integrity of that. So, we
are continuing -- again, we are continuing implementing, identify plan designs, help
reduce claims costs, find better ways for employees to both have better health options
and make better health choices. There are a lot of options out there and -- and my word
to -- to everyone that I tell when they ask, like what's the better -- what's a good way to
know how to save money. If you listen to a commercial and they offer you medicine and
offer to help you finance it, it's super expensive. So, just be aware those kind of things
are where we are trying to give better information to our -- our -- our customers, our
employees to make good choices, to be able to find that. Our goal always is people get
the health benefit you need. Get the healthcare you need to take care of you or your
dependents. That -- that is the number one objective. We want to make sure people do
not shortchange themselves for lots of reasons. One, it's -- that's not the right thing to
do. Secondarily, when people do that it generally leads to the worst things and they
have worse outcomes, because they delayed maintenance things, they delayed
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maintenance medications for cost or convenience or something else. So, we are trying
to find ways to make sure people are educated and have opportunity and convenience
to access healthcare in a way that's best for them. 2020 the Department of Insurance
required the trust have 1.3 million dollars in surplus fund for medical coverage. In 2021
currently the department requires the trust to have 1.8 million. So, the intention of that
surplus is to make sure that if for some reason the city opted to just completely stop
paying claims or stop having the trust -- I apologize. Stop having the trust and go back
to a different program, like we have previously had, we have enough funding left in the
trust to pay any existing claims that might exist from that point. So, think of it if you
stopped at the end of 2023 and said no more trust, we are going to go back to a
different format, every claim that existed has to get paid out until it's complete. So,
that's part of the reason for reserves. Talk a little bit about some of the ups and downs
we have had. So, we ended up 2020 year with a deficit of 90,000. Again part of it was
the pandemic, part of it was there was a funding issue that we had to remain compliant
and this was really excess funds that they have. So, not funds to provide -- it's -- it's a --
it's another method of cushion that the Department of Insurance wants to have. So, that
was one of the funding sources we had to add back in and we came back to the Council
and asked for that assistance. We also approved the addition of telehealth, which is
actually a very valuable, less expensive option and more convenient option for people
and so that was another thing we did to try to bring down some costs. We have a -- a --
we also added a diabetes for -- for diabetic members on the plan. There is no copay
option, so that they have some savings to, again, access the healthcare before diabetes
could be a serious health condition that could lead to much worse health conditions and
if we can catch that early and get people to -- to be mindful of that early, it will be less
costly for them later, less costly for the plan. So, 2021 year ended also with a deficit of
445. That sounds like a big number and we will talk a little bit through it. We added the
self funding portion for dental and vision that year. We still had an ongoing pandemic.
So, we were dealing with some of the issues that were still existing at that time with
testing and the availability and the opportunities for vaccines and all of that. Again, we
had some high claims here. So, certain types of conditions can be very expensive and
even as the best actuarials will be able to tell you, based on the number of people and
the demographics of your work group, you should experience this type of large scale
claims. When they exceed that, that's where you are going to be pushing against that --
any surplus that you might have. So, that particular year we had three premature
babies. NICU babies could be expensive. Those are things we have to -- we can only
plan for so many, but we can't always gauge how many we are going to actually have.
So, we had that. We had some high cost medications. We had a person with -- I think it
was a dependent -- maybe a member that had cancer. Those are very expensive and --
and those are just part of the process of dealing with the health trust for anybody,
whether it was us doing it partially or fully funded plan like a Blue Cross. There are
going to be anomalies like that that you are going to have to deal with. So, the city was
able to help fund the 185,000 to remain in compliance with the DOI and, then, the Board
of Trustees approved addition of -- additional choice stocks and cost advisor. These are
all, again, tools to help employees make good consumer choices and -- and I will give
you an example of -- of what we are talking about. There are certain types of
procedures or tests that you may not have a particular concern over who you see. Now,
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many people have their own personal physician that they see for annual exams, annual
checkups, every type of thing, whether it's a family physician, long-term relationship,
whatever that is. We are not asking people to change that. That's not what we are
talking about. Often you get referred to a person for -- whether it's therapy of some sort
or it's MRI or some other test procedure. Well, you may not have any particular concern
over who that is, as long as they are competent and qualified you are going to get an
MRI. If you are informed that there is an opportunity if you go to an MRI at one location
versus another, that you may have zero copay at this one and, you know, a 50 dollar
copay at the other one, many would say I will just go over with the zero, because it's
easy or it's closer to my house or it's not that important to me and that may also save
the plan money, because the plan has to pay a portion of it. So, if -- if they can find a
valid consumer choice that works for them that could be cost effective, that's not only
cost effective for the employee, but it's cost effective for the plan. So, it's trying to
provide, again, information for people to be able to make good choices about their
health and health sources, but also be thoughtful of the cost and how much it impacts
them and how much it comes out of their pocket. So, those are the kind of things we
are trying to help people understand better. You know, we are trying to make
employees understand and we try to do it from onboarding as new employees, as well
as annual or reviews with -- well, when we sign up for our -- our annual check on our --
our plan for next year on our benefits, is to remind folks about all of these different
choices that exist, because it's hard to remember them all. HR is great at being open
and ability to have that conversation with employees throughout the year where the
questions come up of -- something came up I just learned about, how do I deal with it,
we can help them deal with it. So, it really is a -- a very good, you know, employee
owned plan is how we try to get people to understand how to think of this. This is -- this
is a benefit to you, too, because savings can go towards additional programs or
lowering costs or keeping the increases down to a manageable level for everybody. So,
that's the goal. You got employees managing a trust with some professional assistance
to help keep both the plan in an affordable range, the -- the opportunities and programs
in an affordable range and -- and -- and as a variety as much as we can, as well as
looking at long term objectives. So, 2022 we ended with a surplus. So, we have a
surplus at the end of '22. So, approximately, 191,000 additional costs associated with
COVID. So, again, we still had COVID in 2022 to deal with. It's some run out of that.
The city was able to fund of the addition needed from Department of Insurance to make
sure we stayed within their boundaries and parameters. We completed an independent
audit and this was really to make sure that people had been current on who was the
dependent that could be on the plan. Sometimes people tend to forget of compliance
and making sure we did that. So, we did that check to make sure everybody had the
right people on the plan that belonged on the plan, so we weren't funding it for people
that technically shouldn't have been on there and simply had gotten neglected to be
removed. We removed this addition to the coupon maximizer and a mail-in order
prescription copay. Again, another great opportunity for people to use a different
method. Some people don't want to go to the pharmacy if they don't have to. If they
can get it by mail and it's cheaper, then, it's cheaper for them, it's cheaper for the plan.
So, there are other opportunities for people, especially ones that are in long-term
maintenance medications, to simply get them through the mail, rather than going to the
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pharmacy and there can be a significant savings to them and the plan to do that. So,
2023 year to date we have a gain some. We haven't -- don't have a final update. We
are waiting for our first quarter audit. But we think we are doing well. I mean the -- the
idea, again, is to realize some savings that could be, then, reused and reinvested into
the plan for the benefit of both the trust and the employees. So, here is a -- a quick -- a
bar chart on contributions paid versus claims paid. So, you can see basically on this
chart what's been paid out in claims versus what's been paid out in -- in the premiums to
get a better sense of -- so, the contributions paid are the top line there and the bottom
line is the contributions claims paid. So, we always want the top line to be longer than
the bottom one. So, that ideally is where the realized savings to the plan can be for
future uses. So, you could see year over year how we were doing so far. So, far pretty
good. So, we have had some fairly small increases in relation to other areas locally.
You know, we have a 1.2 in '20, 6.5 in '21, 6.8 in '22, 7.5 in '23 and we don't quite have
a -- we anticipated 2.1. It's -- I think that's a very hopeful thought. We anticipate it's
going to be higher. We don't anticipate it's going to be significantly higher. I couldn't
give you a number today. We are still working. May is the magic month for these
numbers. That's the -- that's the time period that the actuarial and the -- and -- and
people like Blue Cross can use enough data to determine projecting out a year from
now how much the cost of a plan is going to be. So, again, this 2.1 was merely a way to
memorialize some number that seemed realistic to start, probably not the number we
are going to land on at the end. But we are still waiting for the final numbers from Blue
Cross -- final certification of that and all the rest of the work that goes into finalizing that.
So, we will have that, obviously, by the budget time as we are proposing that. But we --
we are very encouraged by that, because you -- you can see around the valley -- and if
you want us to bring back some comparison around the valley what they are seeing, the
numbers are much higher than that and a lot of it is because of the education our
employees have on maintaining their health, maintaining their maintenance
medications, maintaining their annual checkups, maintaining the things that make it
affordable for the plan today and make it reasonable for the employees today and
keeping the cost at a reasonable cost to make sure the plan is sustainable. You know,
our long term -- I -- I thought about having a slide. I mean our long-term goal -- we have
surveyed employees -- has been an objective of having at some point in time a post-
employment health program of some sort. Some way to assist employees as they
reach that retirement age, that Rule of 90 or Rule of 80 for our police officers, to have
some way to have affordable healthcare, because healthcare is the one area out there
that we just have seen grow significantly over the last 20 years and I don't anticipate the
price is going down. I don't anticipate the cost of that diminishing. But if you can
provide some way for employees to find a pathway, it gives them choices, it gives them
opportunities to maybe pick another path and, then, have it affordable one and -- and
my goal has always been since I've been here was to provide -- to find a way to do that
so that employees can choose. I mean I -- I -- I don't want anybody to retire because
they feel like they have to. I want employees to retire because they want to, because
they feel like it's a good opportunity for them in their life. They are -- they are at an age
that they can still enjoy it and not having to continue working, because they can't afford
to do anything else and a post-employment health program has always been our
number one objective to try to get to. To be honest, I don't think we are far away from
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being able to bring something realistic to a conversation to say we could do this and
here is what it may cost and here is how we could help fund it. So, I don't think we are
far away. The short-term goals are the things that we talked about that we have done.
The coupon maximizer and the cost savings and -- cost savings and all these different
programs to provide employees different alternative means to get care and assistance
at ways that could be more convenient to them, could be more affordable for them,
could be more usable for them. So, we are going to continue to do that. We want to
keep the -- we want to keep the plan as viable and usable for people. You know, as --
as all of you know in your roles, having a good healthy benefits plan is a great retention
tool and it's a great attraction tool and having both of those on the table, you know, we
are never going to be the greatest of whatever that is out there, but we definitely don't
want to be the worst that's out there and we definitely want to be closer to the top or at
least closer to the -- above the middle than towards the bottom. It will help us recruit. It
will help us retain. That is a good thing overall for everybody and it's good for the
employees. So, I don't have any other part of our presentation. If you have questions --
if you have some technical questions certainly the -- the smarter people are sitting in the
back and they can answer that for you, but I could probably answer a few.
Simison: Thank you, Mr. Nary. Council, any questions?
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Bill, exceptional presentation. I -- I appreciate the --
the historical perspective, the employee involvement and most specifically your piece
about this being a -- a recruitment tool. I think this -- our benefits -- I can speak as both
a Council Member and a former employee, that the benefits are -- are a huge benefit to
-- to new and existing employees. So, with that said, maybe a -- a challenge or a
charge to the committee is now that we are moving out of a -- at the pandemic, I would
really like to see this committee take on what post-retirement healthcare could be for
our existing employees and maybe it's for employees that have been with us for a
certain amount of years. Certainly this is a benefit we extend to our -- our local fire, but
it's not lost on me particularly for our law enforcement officers that they have the
opportunity to retire at a little bit of a younger age and, you know, certainly -- we know
that all of our employees love working for the city and they enjoy the service to the
community, but providing them that flexibility of knowing that their healthcare could be
provided for them post-employment with the city is something I think that we need to
start looking at. So, I would really encourage you and the trust committee to start
exploring what those options are. Maybe not -- obvious certainly not for this year's
budget, but potentially maybe for next year or -- or the subsequent year that it's an
option for the Council to take on and discuss.
Nary: Well, Councilman Cavener, I appreciate those words very much. We are more
than starting. This is a standing item on our trust -- or trust meeting every month. This
is a standing item with Gallagher that we are working with. We actually have a
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presentation coming forward -- soon? Soon. I can't remember whether it was next
month or the month after. So, we -- we -- we are definitely -- it is in the forefront and I
tell you and I tell everybody that brings up that question, that is my number one goal. Is
I want to have that -- I -- I -- I hate to make platitudes. I -- I want that to be -- at least
maybe not the last thing I do here, but one of the last things I do here. I don't want to
leave here without a plan for people, because I want people to have that opportunity
and that choice, because I agree with you completely.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Thank you. Thanks, Bill. Appreciate the presentation. I think it would be really
compelling -- instead that -- we are -- obviously, we are kind of competing against
ourselves; right? We are trying to get those surpluses, as opposed to deficits, but I do
think it would be very compelling to try to show our rate increases versus the rest of the
market in terms of comparable kind of analysis, because I think that is the benchmark of
how we are doing. So, we are competing against ourselves. We are trying to do the
best that we can. But I think it's also showing how -- how much are we saving
compared to if we had not done this self-funded trust; right? And I think that's the
argument that -- that our taxpayers would -- would want to see, too. So, I would
appreciate some follow up.
Nary: I can -- can answer I guess, Council -- Council Woman Strader. I can answer
part of that question.
Strader: Sure.
Nary: If the question -- if the question being asked by the public is how much have you
saved versus if you have just remained in a fully funded program, well, every dollar that
is saved was kept as profit by Blue Cross. So, every dollar we retain we would have
had none of that. So, the -- but I can give you comparison of numbers of what our
increases have been versus the valley or local markets. I think we can probably get
that. But that really is the difference. The retention cost of what we have and we have
on the plus side and remain on the plus side and one of the things we look at monthly is
we look at usage, because that's the key; right? We fully fund a hundred percent -- if
you -- if you think of it -- the easiest way for me to explain it to a member of the public is
if we fully funded a hundred percent and we only use 90, we have realized ten percent
of that as -- as remaining that could be used for the future. So, if the -- but if you go to
110, you've paid out ten percent more than you have collected. So, that's kind of the
number you are sort of talking about is how much of that versus that; right?
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
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Strader: Thank you. Yeah. Because I think we are -- what may confuse people if they
were watching this presentation is they are taking a look at the surpluses versus deficits
of what your regular -- regulator is requiring you to keep in reserves for unpaid claims
and that's not actually the barometer of how successful the program is, because the
contributions are almost have -- every year have -- in terms of what people are paying in
their rates have exceeded how much we paid in claims; right? So, in -- in -- in effect,
like there is a huge savings that -- that is not I think easy for people to conceptualize,
even when you add in the possibility of unpaid claims I think there is probably still a
huge net positive to the city. So, I guess if there is a better way to show that data,
whether it's through just showing, you know, here -- here is how much we think we have
saved by just self funding or if it is just saying here -- here are our rates compared to
what we think would have happened, you know, if we look at another city. However you
want to show it, but --
Nary: I think we can get data like that. I think that -- I think we are able to capture that.
I will talk to the smarter people behind me, but I'm pretty sure we can capture that.
Strader: Yeah, I wouldn't, you know, kill anybody working late nights on it, but if it's -- if
it's at our fingertips and we could show people, I think that that's very compelling
information.
Nary: I think we can show something at least close to that type of -- of metrics.
Strader: Yeah. And I will second the comment also about the post-retirement. I'm
interested to explore it and at least have the conversation. I need to understand that
better. It's not a topic that I'm super well versed on. Thank you.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Thank you. I appreciate the questions by my fellow Council Members. They
were on my list, so thank you for asking those. I wanted to have a -- get a little more
understanding about the -- the high cost claims and you had mentioned that this -- that
this was higher than the actuaries had estimated. Five high cost claims out of as many
employees as we have in this plan doesn't seem high to me. So, I'm trying -- I want to
understand more about how that decision is made in terms of preparing for those
possible situations and is there any other types of insurances that have been
considered to help offset some of that, where those premiums might be less than
actually paying out the high cost claims. So, there is insurance specifically for cancer
and there is insurance specifically for -- there is -- there is prescription plans. There is --
is there anything like that that's been looked at that actually can tell us whether that cost
would be less? And I realize that's a premium for every single employee. Is that less
than the cost of -- of us funding these larger claims?
Nary: I will ask our -- our -- our partners with Gallagher.
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Simison: Bill, can you speak into the --
Nary: Oh, I apologize. Maybe I will ask our partner with Gallagher if they could help
answer that a little bit on how we got to that, because, again, the actuarial as a -- as a
person that basically helps us manage those -- that claim, but -- Scott -- this is Scott
Howell with Gallagher.
Howell: Hi. So, I think the -- the number of high cost claimants wasn't necessarily more
than we would predict. The -- the dollar value of those high cost claims was higher than
we would expect. The trust does purchase stop loss Insurance, so that the trust isn't
responsible for any claim that exceeds 225,000 dollars in -- in a year and so that -- that
covers regardless of what condition we are -- we are looking at. It's -- it's that dollar
value that -- that there is protection, so that we are not exposed to, you know, a million
dollar claim if -- if that were to happen.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor, a follow-up?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Thank you. I appreciate that. That's helpful. Do you believe that the cost of
those claims in total were higher because of increases in -- in medical costs because of
COVID? Is there a relationship there? Or did it have to do with the actual, you know,
event that happened the -- the premature birth. Is -- is it more related to that than it is
actually to the increase in -- in costs in the health industry?
Howell: Yeah. We had -- we had some overall cost increases, not on those five in
particular that -- that Bill brought up that were COVID related and just kind of related to
overall increases in healthcare costs. Those five were pretty specific to -- to the event.
So, you know, a really sick premature baby that -- that, you know, nobody saw coming,
for example.
Nary: And I would add -- I mean I think we are seeing a -- a significant increase in the
cost of pharmaceuticals over the last five years and I think everybody here can
understand that and, like I said, I have never seen -- and maybe it's just the TV shows I
watch -- that I have never seen quite so many pharmaceutical commercials as I have in
the last five years and every one of those ones, when we see them on our list, we know
those are -- they are just expensive and -- and I -- again, I -- as the chair of the trust I
don't want any employee to make a choice based on just money. They need to get the
right healthcare, but that particular pharmaceutical may not be the only one that can
provide that same care. They just don't know it. They just know what they saw on TV
or read it in an ad or what a doctor just told them, but, you know, if we can give them the
tools and the information to ask the right questions to consider alternatives, that's kind
of our objective is to just give people information and opportunity and the -- and the
knowledge of what to know to ask and not just assume that commercial must be right,
because those people look healthy, so I should take that. That's not a good way to
make a choice. Thank you, Scott.
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Howell: You bet.
Overton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Overton.
Overton: Mr. Nary, thank you for your presentation. I echo a lot of what Councilman
Cavener said. As a former city employee all I remember was the benefits committee at
that time and we had that up and running and the tremendous work that that committee
did before this project came forward and now you have this trustee committee. I know
losing people like Eric Strolberg to retirement is hard when you have probably had
somebody in that position for a long time. Getting someone like Justin Northway to take
his place, you have got a very solid person to fit right in and run and I hope there is
succession plans with all of the positions in case of retirements or something else that
happens. Probably my favorite thing about what you are doing now and what you are
looking at in the future is -- we are not just trying to save the city money --
Nary: Yeah.
Overton: -- we are doing that, but we are also looking out for what's best for our
employees, which is a win-win every way you look at it and I have -- I have always been
hopeful of a future post-retirement insurance program and I look forward to seeing that
in the future come forward and how that looks and where we can go.
Nary: Thank you, Councilman Overton. I would echo that, too. I mean, again, our
objective is not -- certainly if we could save the plan money that's a plus to everyone,
but I also want to save the employee money, because that saves them out of pocket,
their cost to their deductibles, their cost to their bottom line and so that's our objective.
It's not just to save the -- the plan, but to save the employee as well. So, I appreciate
your words and I appreciate the -- the thoughts behind it, because I know you
understand exactly what we are trying to do, you know, and we will hopefully get there
sooner than later. All right. Thank you, Council.
26. Community Development: Proposed Amendment to Meridian City
Code Sections 8-2-3, 8-2-7(E), 8-2-8, and 8-2-11(A)(2) Regarding
Addressing and Variance Findings
Simison: Thank you. Next item up is 26, which is a Community Development
Proposed Amendments to Meridian City Code Sections 8-2-3, 8-2-7(E), 8-2-8 and 8-2-
11(A)(2) regarding address and variance findings Mr. Freckleton? Oh. Hello.
Amador: Good evening, Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council. My name is Mercedes
Amador. I am the former address technician and this is Kelly Johnston, the current
address technician for the city. First I would kind of like to give you guys a brief
overview of what an address technician does for the city. We address -- or we provide
addresses to all developments within the city, ensuring that emergency services can
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efficiently locate the location of the emergency at hand. We ensure that buildings are
addressed off the primary access road and that suites are laid out in a way that they are
easily located. We also ensure that signage on multi-family buildings and commercial
multi-tenant buildings are consistent throughout the city for emergency service
personnel. At this time I would like to present our proposed ordinance changes -- or
amendment I should say. Let's see. I believe you have a copy of the proposed
amendments before you in your agenda. The affected sections of code are as follows:
Section 8-2-3 is to add the definition of the term suite. The reason for this is in order to
provide consistency in the addressing of suite numbers for multi-tenant buildings. The
term -- the term suite needs to be clearly defined in our ordinance. Do you have any
questions on that specific section? Okay. The next section is 8-2-7(E) in regards to
street numbers and their addressing. In this section we changed the verbiage in order
to keep consistency throughout the rest of the chapter. Any questions on this section?
Okay. Thank you. On Section 8-2-8 regarding street name signs and posting of the
address numbers, the main change here was for alley loaded houses, so that
emergency personnel can locate the house from the alley and from the front of the
house, just so that they can find it a lot quicker. Any questions on that one? Okay.
Section 8-2-11(A)(2) in regards to the variance findings and replacing conflicting
ordinances and providing an effective date, this was changed to keep consistency
between all variances in our code sections. I'm happy to answer any questions that you
may have, but that is --
Simison: Thank you. Council, any questions?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: In regard to the variances on -- so, the numbers that you are -- you are
giving the code sections. I'm -- but on the document that was provided to us on the
agenda it's under Section 4-2(A), a few times we have heard a request for a variance
that was based on the results of actions taken by a previous owner, not the current
owner. So, do you feel there is a need to clarify that?
Amador: Yeah. I'm going to have to defer this one to Kurt or Emily, if they are online,
from our legal team. Sorry. In person.
Kane: Hi, Mr. Mayor, Council Woman. I -- so, the question is whether the city --
whether the ordinance should accommodate a prior owner's actions -- or maybe I don't
understand the question.
Perreault. Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
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Perreault: So -- so, there is -- some -- some changes to the -- the list of requirements
for a variance to be considered and B is struck out. I'm specifically referencing A under
2(A) where it says the need for the requested variance is not the result of actions of the
property owner or person, firm or corporation representing the property owner, where
you stuck out self created. Okay. Would it not be advisable to add previous property
owner in addition to current property owner? So -- so, if we have someone that comes
and says please grant me a variance because of something that was done by a prior
property owner and I had no control over it and so, therefore, I should -- you know, I
should have the opportunity to -- to apply for one.
Kane: Mr. Mayor, Council Woman Perreault, that does make sense and we can
absolutely do that.
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: The variances I just -- I love this topic. We -- it's the same issue every time that
we struggle with and it's -- and Jessica hit on the topic that comes up. I'm not sure how
to address it with additional language, but nine times out of ten the request that we deal
with for a variance is based on the design of the developer and their application and
because they have elected to create a design in a certain way that it necessitates a
variance for that particular design to go forward and, then, say you have sort of created
it; right? Whether it's a setback issue or -- or whatnot, that -- that there really isn't a
need for a variance, other than to accommodate what you have created. So, are we
looking -- and -- and maybe Emily or planning have comment on that. In that scenario
where the request for a variance is -- is solely based upon the design of the application
should that be summarily denied by us and is our staff telling them if you design it such
a way that a variance is required you can't clear that hurdle. I'm just curious their
reaction to that.
Kane: Mr. Mayor, Councilman Borton, so this -- I'm struggling to imagine a scenario
where that would come up, in part because this is -- of course, just for addressing -- I -- I
see your point. So, certainly, we could incorporate that.
Borton: And my -- I apologize, Mayor. I'm -- I'm bringing up a variance topic that isn't
part of this particular code, because I just wanted to test and make sure that Emily was
-- was going to catch my comments
Simison: Mr. Nary.
Nary: Yeah. Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, Councilman Borton, I -- I think my
experience has been that all of these requests are usually some after the fact change.
So, not an initial development of a subdivision, because that design issue would
probably have come up during the development process; right? The addressing folks
are participants in that and they will probably raise that issue up front of where that may
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be problematic and we can address that through the development process. This is
really a situation where somebody is reorienting the house or reorienting the garage and
that's usually been the experience or the circumstance where the street -- we had this
happen in Bear Creek a number of years ago where they, then, built an adjacent
subdivision with a connecting street and they wanted to give -- instead of it being Grizzly
Way or whatever, they wanted it to be some Italian bear name, so they wanted to
change it, so they wanted to change the whole street. So, it's usually an after the fact,
so it doesn't come up in the -- in the context you are talking about. I -- I haven't seen
that.
Borton: I'm on the wrong variance. I heard the word and -- and I got all fired up, so
noted. I apologize.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: No, that's my fault, Councilman Borton, because I was not of the
understanding that this was in a much more narrow context, because we just received
the -- we basically received the document with the strikeouts and there really wasn't a
whole lot of other context added into the agenda. So, that's -- that's my fault. I didn't
mean to lead everybody astray.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor, just to close the loop on -- on --
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Perreault: Was that Colaianni Way that they wanted to name it? Okay.
Colaianni: One could hope.
Simison: Council, any other questions or direction? Councilman Overton.
Overton: Not a concern, but a thank you for the change to 8-2-8 when it concerns alley
loaded. That will be a blessing for our first responders, so I appreciate that.
Simison: Next steps?
Amador: I believe our next steps would be to schedule this to be approved.
Simison: Okay. So, we have the minor modification, bring this back at the next
opportunity? Okay. All right. Thank you very much. Appreciate it.
27. Parks and Recreation Department: Pathways Map Update
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Simison: Next item on the list is Item 27, with the Parks and Recreation Department
Pathways map update. Welcome back, Kim.
Warren: Thank you, Mayor Simison, Members of the Council. I appreciate being here
tonight to present an update to our pathways map. It's going to -- we have the
presentation -- thanks, Chris. So, this -- this is something we do periodically, these map
updates. For a little bit of context I will just update you on our methodology, kind of how
we do this. I know some of you are new and -- and, then, I will present some
information to you that you can take with you, think about for a while and, then, we will
come back and ask for a resolution. I also have a preview of a project that I'm really
excited about. So, this isn't a full pathways project update, we are sticking to the map
today, but just wanted to let you know about one in particular.
Johnson: Kim, try page down.
Warren: Okay. So, in terms of planning for pathways here at the city, we do have a
master plan that was done some time ago and, obviously, the city has grown a lot since
then. So, the GIS map layer functions as our current planning tool. We keep track of
updates to that plan on an up going -- on an ongoing basis. Typically we update -- or
adopt these new changes every 18 to 24 months. We are a bit overdue. I'm going to
blame some of that on me having left the city and returned. So, as we plan -- and this is
an excerpt of our GIS internal map. We use that as a tool kind of as we review plans to
see which pathways are required. We have a working layer and we have the adopted
layer. The working layer is -- it's more current in that we can respond to needs as they
emerge in high growth areas. It allows us to draw new pathway connections on the
map to kind of keep pace with annexation and development and we also track changes
for future adoption, as we are talking about tonight. The adopted layer, which was last
updated in 2020 I believe in an online meeting, is -- we are just looking to make that
current and to incorporate that into our development code, so that it's -- you know, it's
more enforceable, if needed. So, in addition to this overdue -- or this overview I have
given you a pathways map, a hard copy, which isn't usually my practice, but I think in
this case because it's keyed out to the city, it maybe feels more convenient. If you don't
want that hard copy we are happy to -- staff will use it or recycle. So, what we propose
is allowing a two week period for review of that map book and contact me with any
comments or questions or get those to me somehow and, then, we will return in June.
We are thinking a two week window, if that sounds reasonable. I believe that is actually
the next meeting, so -- and at that point we would present a formal resolution for
adoption. So, in the map book we have included highlighted changes since the last
update. Those are in the purplish blue color. Those indicate new routes that we have
added. I know the previous master plan had a lot of -- a lot of connections along canals,
which tended to run from the southeast to the northwest and so we have needed to
create some connection between those. We put connections in at the mid mile. There
is just a lot of high growth areas within our city of area of impact that weren't really
included in our former master plan. So, new routes, any significant changes to an
existing route. If the route was on the west side of the street or a waterway and it
makes more sense -- maybe development comes in first and it can happen on the east
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side, we will make those changes without any formal kind of change or approval. We
tend not to track the minor changes, as I just said. But if there are any significant -- you
know, if it's a new route or a significant change to the existing. That being said, there
may be some minor changes, some of the -- the map of changes that are showing up
might be cases where we had kind of a desire line making good connection between
two destinations and when development came in we could see where actually that
pathway happened, so -- and, then, within the map book also there are annotations that
show projects that are sort of within the active range for the city. So, recently completed
or under construction now or pending as you look through the map just for your
information and as a kind of an update. Here is a representation of the highlighted
changes in the north half of the city, just so you can get a -- a bigger picture view of
where a lot of those are happening and the south part of the city as well and when we
do come back we will attach a map to the resolution. It will probably be in a format like
this. So, a preview of a project that we just had a preconstruction meeting on today, we
are still finalizing the contract, but this is -- it's got some interesting things going on. So,
we were out there looking at it with the contractor, who was the low bidder. I'm calling
this our Golden Spike Pathway, because it's where two big sections are going to meet.
It's been a vacant -- in this area shown in the circle it's been a missing gap for a really
long time and there are a couple of miles to the northwest and about five miles to the
southeast that will be connected by this run of pathway. I think it's about 2,300 feet long
and a lot of the projects we do are sidewalk widenings. They are important
connections. This is a real pathway along the waterways. So, I think it's going to feel
significant and we are looking at construction this season. Part of that is also ACHD
has a property for their maintenance facility and the pathway will go across a part of
that. We will construct that as part of this project and ACHD will reimburse that via
agreement. So, with the projects that are noted in the book and the one I just
mentioned, we have added about two miles of city -- city constructed pathway -- capital
improvement dollars and, obviously, as you will hear next week in the state of the city, a
lot more pathways and -- in partnership with the development community. But these are
specific city pathways. So, I would ask that you review the map books and if it's -- and
make changes, no changes, however works best for you. There is an electronic
document, so if you want to do it that way and just send me a screenshot that's fine. It
would be perfectly useful to just note any comments or changes in your map books.
You could send me an e-mail, just a -- a phone photograph. So, however it works best.
Or just drop off your version at parks. Does two weeks feel like about enough time to
do that? I know there's a holiday in there. It seems like -- perhaps. Okay. We -- we
will target that date. Do you have any other questions on this update, I would happily
stand for them.
Simison: Council, any questions?
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
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Strader: A couple quick ones. Are we working on an app or something for people to get
around and utilize this network of pathways better?
Warren: Mayor Simison, Council Woman Strader, we did meet with IT, some of the park
staff, to discuss that when I was still here last year and before I left. I haven't picked it
up since I came. We are working on a map update for the website. What's on there
currently is accurate, but it's not as useful as it could be. So, a much friendlier format.
And, then, I think we were going to incorporate pathways with some kind of a citywide
app. So, I will definitely look into that and report back. I haven't had any recent --
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: I think that might be a good discussion. Maybe we could have it at budget
time. But it feels like we are investing as a city and we are -- we are asking others,
especially in our community as they develop, to invest a lot into this pathways network.
I want to make sure that people really understand how valuable it is, how they can use it
to get around. I mean the fact that people can get now soon to a lot of places avoiding
traffic almost entirely is a pretty big deal. So, I just -- I feel like we are not highlighting
enough and we are not -- I just want it to be utilized much more than it is. So, that --
that's my suggestion is working on an app and, then, I -- I had another question which is
about the philosophy. So, I understand the genesis of this is our canal network. It's
kind of what started it. I recall there was a concept of a -- kind of a ring around the
outside, like a -- like a loop. Is there any other kind of philosophical change that's
behind the changes in the pathway maps? Was there an idea like we want to be able to
connect all the different corners of Meridian to downtown? What was driving the
changes?
Warren: Mayor Simison, Council Woman Strader, I -- we did have a diagram like that. I
often put it in my presentations and did not include it tonight, but we have our Meridian
loop pathway that is a clear route around the city, with the idea of connecting all parts of
it. The Five Mile Pathway is a major spine that's actually almost developed through that
and, then, we have the Ten Mile Pathway and the future rail with trail. Those were kind
of the major ones. And, then, a lot of these changes are to -- you know, a lot of those
pathways trended in one direction and we were looking to make connections between
and where we can't make a connection along a waterway do it at the mid mile collector
where it's a little friendlier to be, you know, if you are adjacent to traffic. So, I think we --
we do use that overall system of organization with the loop and the main pathways
running through it. Otherwise, we are looking to make connections where needed. We
do have also a -- you know, our master plan that was originally done for pathways, you
know, it did identify a lot of these routes, but, again, primarily along waterways. So, we
are trying to connect between.
Strader: Mr. Mayor --
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Simison: And I think just -- if I could add on to that. I think also in this case -- for
example, I'm just looking at the Map 18 where you are adding the multi-use pathway on
both sides of Eagle Road. So, part of this is just a factual update of where pathways
have already been built or we would expect them to be built and not -- you know, I'm not
aware of any philosophical changes to any of our pathway -- I have not had any
conversations about changing of our longstanding philosophical plans for pathways in --
and it's not -- so, this update is not about that.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Yeah. I think one thing to think about -- and it will help us I think if our new
standard we have communicated to ACHD is having a ten foot detached, you know,
multi-use type of pathway sidewalk, et cetera, that will help us a lot going forward. This
to me is very useful recreationally. I think where it would be really powerful is if it was
more useful as an alternative mode of transportation and so if all of -- if there was a goal
to have the pathways connect more centrally into the middle of Meridian I think that -- to
your point, instead of that kind of one direction they are going, if the goal -- if we had a
goal and it was to make it so that most places in Meridian you could get to downtown,
for example, or something like that, I think that would make a lot of sense.
Simison: I think that's -- that has been part of their philosophy is trying to connect in
through downtown, but primarily through certain spines at this point in time, because of
natural development patterns and other things.
Warren: Mayor Simison, Council Woman Strader, the rail with trail pathway that's
proposed, that's more of a regional idea, we are building segments locally. So, the
building across from City Hall that's halted at the moment, we conditioned ten foot
pathway, you know, parallel to the tracks as part of that project and we are working on a
city project. I think that will help -- that will be another avenue into downtown as we --
you know, some of those are kind of pending either with development or the city project
that we are working to move forward.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: That's perfect. That's a good explanation, because to me like that could be the
-- the spine that would make sense as the primary place that everything would
eventually connect to. So, thank you very much. I appreciate it.
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
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Cavener: First, Kim, great to see you. Appreciate your presentation tonight. It's like
deja vu all over again. A question for you. When I review this lots of proposed
pathways, which is important. We have to have vision cast about where we are going.
The piece that I struggle with -- and particularly I second -- I feel like we have been
talking about an app for our pathways for ten years. So, I'm very supportive of that. But
if I'm a citizen and I have an app or I have a map where I look at this and I see proposed
pathways, I don't have any sense if that is proposed in the next five years, ten years, 20
years, 50 years and naturally I'm sure all of us when we got this map, I -- I channeled
my 7th grade excursions in map class and built a little grid in my -- in my office. But I
looked at where I lived and there is lots of proposed pathways and there is some that
will be development led and there is some that may be city initiated, but as it -- putting
on my citizen hat, I didn't have any sense as to when or how or why and I think that can
create confusion and so one of the things that I think is really important for this is we
need to do a better job of communicating to our public about what is planned, but
unfunded, what is development driven, what could be city initiated and when, because
like there is a segment of -- of sidewalk between my neighborhood and another
neighborhood that I know won't ever happen until the farmer decides to sell his -- and
we don't know when that's going to be. But if I don't -- if I'm a citizen and I don't know
that and I see, hey, there is a proposed pathway there, I get really excited and if a year
goes by, two years, five years go by I start to get really jaded and frustrated with
government that there is this proposed pathway and nothing moving forward. So, that's
my ask is -- I think what you have got here is really great, but we just need to do a better
job of communicating to the public about what really is a proposed pathway and when it
could actually become realized.
Simison: If you don't mind if I could ask a follow-up question to that to Council. Would
that be only forecast what's being proposed in the next five years by development and
the city for reasonable expectations?
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: So, glad you asked. My perspective would be is that we follow this very
similar to the highway district. So, we build a five year plan for our pathways that are
going to be city initiated, budget dependent, but I don't think there is anything wrong
with Kim in the Parks Department saying this is our plan for pathways over the next five
years and we update that every year and, then, as each council comes through they
can fund that, recognizing there is going to be other projects that will be development
driven. But I also think that we have a good sense as to what will be development
driven and what are going to be city initiated projects and so I think calling that out here
on this legend gives the public a better understanding about what they as a taxpayer
have some direct influence over and what they don't.
Warren: Mayor Simison and Councilman Cavener, I appreciate those comments. I
know that the map that we are working on that we will launch to the website after this
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update will be -- the existing pathways will be bolder. They will stand out as like here is
what's really here and what I hear you saying is maybe we could have a couple of
designations for proposed pathways, maybe a short term and a long term. One thing I
would offer for consideration is that -- and I believe on a past occasion Council Woman
Perreault and I talked about the idea of some sort of projection for pathways and the
one difficulty we have with that is -- to some extent we can plan for them. ACHD can
budget for a project. They will do design one year, right of way the next and
construction the next. Permission to build the pathway right of way easements that we
get from property owners can -- it can just be really difficult to anticipate how long that's
going to take and in part because we don't have -- ACHD can negotiate those and use
eminent domain if necessary. We don't have that tool. So, there are some projects
where we end up just having to wait until ownership changes or, you know, until that can
happen. So, it's just -- to some extent we can predict and to some extent it's much
harder, because there are some variables that we don't have much control over.
Cavener: Mr. Mayor, maybe a response?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: Agreed. And recognize that this is -- this is a challenging task, because in
one sense we want to communicate we have a plan to the public, but in another sense
-- if this pathway is unlikely in the next five years or ten years, I think that the vast
majority of our public wouldn't necessarily view that as -- as a true proposal because it's
more just ambition, you know, aspirational and I think that particularly for what we
communicate to the public it needs to be more realized and that this is something that
you can expect that is going to be around your neighborhood or, hey, I'm buying a
house in -- in South Meridian and I want to work in downtown, hey, there is a couple of
pieces that are proposed that will get me there when? I think really being able to -- to
better forecast when -- when we can and I think if it's calling out this is, you know, long
term plans, 20 plus years, unless development occurs, I think that's fine. I think that you
just have to do a better job of -- I mean I don't know how many miles of proposed
pathways on this map, but it's -- when I look at the map that's what I see the most of is
proposed. So, I know we are not going to accomplish that in any of our tenure likely.
So, let's -- let's put a -- a lamp on that and -- and communicate to the public that this is a
long, long, long term plan.
Simison: What we could do is we could get through the development process and
through when you actually get easement. Yeah, we can probably project out two years
by what's been approved, what is pulling permits, what easements have been
negotiated. I think anything beyond two years is aspirational in any pathway
consideration. You know, I can name four off the top of my head where we thought we
were going to do something in the last three years and they are not on this map
anymore, because we were told, no, we will not get approval through that property, so --
Warren: Mayor Simison and Councilman Cavener, I do agree with that. We do have a
long range pathway symbol in our legends and maybe we use that a little bit more
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liberally. To date I have been using that for situations where we would really like a
pathway, but the property line runs down the center of the canal and we would have to
get, you know, 15 easements in a row in order to have that pathway. Pretty unlikely.
That's a long term symbol. Maybe we just -- maybe long term is anything that appears
like it would be over five years.
Simison: Yeah.
Warren: And I think in the new growth areas also just in part if we have something on
the map that shows a basic destination, then, if that development comes in we have a
way of saying we need to get from here to here. So, yeah, I appreciate those
comments, though, and I -- I agree and we will -- we will look into how to symbolize the
map, so that maybe it's a little bit -- yeah, it's more specific, even though we can't be
extremely specific.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: What I hear in this conversation is maybe something as simple as the words
we are using. So, when I hear the word proposed, I think there has been a plan made
and there is an expectation that it's going to come about and that's not necessarily true
of every one of these that are marked. So, maybe just changing it to future, like you
said, long term will take out the -- the -- the expectation that it's literally been anticipated
and perhaps in the first stages of happening. To me that's what proposed means. So,
maybe just something as simple as that and not calling it proposed pathways. I know
that seems really simplistic, but I agree that the perception could be that that's in the
works. It's going to happen at some point. Money is going to happen at some point.
And we just don't know that about all these; right? But I -- I do agree with Councilman
Cavener about identifying which pathway -- pathways would come through public
participation with development and which pathways could potentially come through from
the city. I know those aren't exact either, but we do know for sure ones -- areas where
the city will not be putting pathways and I think delineating that will help as well. So, I
think any -- you know, as soon as the public realizes, oh, this is dependent on another
group, there will be a greater understanding, so --
Warren: Mayor Simison --
Perreault: -- thank you for that.
Warren: -- Council Woman Perreault. I agree with that. I think we could also maybe --
maybe we add some simple definitions to the legend, even that says what a proposed
pathway is. We could -- we could probably use that. That's a great suggestion. And I
think we could also, in terms of city funded versus potentially happening through the
private sector, I think we could highlight, you know, either one of those. Maybe on the
map -- or maybe that's some -- a layer that will have some ability for whoever visits the
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city website to turn layers off and on and that would be something that could highlight
where we -- you know, which we think will be likely city projects near term. So, I think
there are a lot of ways to do that and we will look at that with that map -- the web map
update. Thank you.
Simison: Council, any additional questions at this time? Okay. Well, we will see you
back here in two weeks.
Warren: All right. Thank you very much.
Simison: Thanks, Kim.
EXECUTIVE SESSION
28. Per Idaho Code 74-206 (1)0) To consider labor contract matters
authorized under Section 74-206A (1)(a) and (b), Idaho Code
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: I move that we go into Executive Session per Idaho Code 74-206(1)(i), 74-
206(1)(j) and 74-206-(a)(1)(a) and (b).
Borton: Second.
Simison: Have a motion and a second to go into Executive Session. Do I have
discussion? If not, Clerk will call the roll.
Roll Call: Hoaglun, yea; Borton, yea; Cavener, yea; Perreault, yea; Strader, yea;
Overton, yea.
Simison: All ayes. Motion carries and we will go into Executive Session.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
EXECUTIVE SESSION: (5.41 p.m. to 6.08 p.m.)
Simison: Council, do I have a motion?
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor, I move that we come out of Executive Session.
Perreault: Second.
Simison: Have a motion to come out of Executive Session. All in favor signify by saying
aye. Those opposed nay? The ayes have it and we are out of Executive Session.
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MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Move we adjourn the work session.
Simison: Have a motion to adjourn the work session. All those in favor signify by
saying aye. Opposed nay? The ayes have it and we are adjourned.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 6:08 P.M.
(AUDIO RECORDING ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS)
MAYOR ROBERT E.SIMISON Approved 6-6-2023
ATTEST:
CHRIS JOHNSON - CITY CLERK