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HomeMy WebLinkAboutJuly 11, 2006 C/C Minutes Meridian City Council July 11, 2006 Page 18 of 64 Madelvnn Estates (f.k.a. Basin Creek) by Pacific Landmark Development - 5603 N. Locust Grove Road: De Weerd: Okay. Item 11 is FP 06-030. Staff, are there any items on 11 or 12 in regards to those final plats? Canning: Yes, ma'am, there are. De Weerd: Okay. Item 11. Canning: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, this is Madelynn Estates, formerly known as Basin Creek. This layout is not the current layout. Here is the preliminary plat. Let me point out a couple features. There are landscape islands in the middle of these longer street sections to break those up and, also, if you can see this park-like -- park here has a straight line going north-south. We prepared the final plat staff report. One of the conditions is that there not be any trees in these islands and there are -- there are some smaller Islands now, too, in the cul-de-sacs, that there not be any trees in them, that the sewer lines can go under them and water, but you can't have any manholes in them or valves and that if this -- if the pipes do go underneath them, that there can't be trees. So, the applicant's response was that they would take these roundabouts out or these traffic calming islands out to accommodate that condition. That was part of their proposed open space in the preliminary plat. So, we started looking at what kind of numbers they would have to do if Council decided that that was still consistent with the approved preliminary plat, which, to me, those roundabouts create a very different feel on that road than would occur with them not being there. So, we started counting up open space and it wasn't until that time that we realized that they had also shifted the park line and the park is 3,000 square feet less in open space than it should be. We are very strict on these final plats, that they come in with the amount of open space that they showed on the preliminary plat or more, never less. So, it got on the agenda. This issue didn't come up until about an hour ago with this particular lot. We tried to call the applicant, we were unsuccessful. I still haven't seen Mrs. -- oh, you're here to -- okay. We were expecting Ashley. So, I wasn't sure, so -- hadn't had an opportunity to talk to them. So, this Council may just decide to hold this over for a week, so we can work with the applicant, but since it's on the agenda I thought I should inform you of the issues at this point, whether you want to move forward with it tonight or kick it back for a week is your decision. De Weerd: Okay. Since the applicant is here, Council, shall we hear from the applicant? If you will, please, state your name and address for the record. Morgan: My name is Ryan Morgan with WRG Design. Our office is located at 453 South Fitness Place, Eagle, Idaho. 83616. De Weerd: Thank you. Meridian City Council July 11, 2006 Page 19 of 64 Morgan: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, it is true that we would like to eliminate those traffic circles, as pointed out, this one and this one, and it is due not only to the fact that there is considerable cost to route -- the sewer lines currently run under them with manholes located in this position and a manhole located in that position. To route around those islands we would have to put a manhole here, a manhole here, a manhole here, and, then, a manhole here to connect the sewer that comes out this way, requiring, then, four manholes, as opposed to one manhole, at a considerable cost to our client and, therefore, we would like to eliminate those, because we are not allowed to have any manholes inside those landscape islands. In addition to that, ACHD has requested considerable revisions to those landscape islands, because it falls under their roundabout, which we, then, have to reduce the lots in the corners. This lot, this lot, and, then, the lots that would appear here, here, and, then, these lots, in addition, because the roundabout that they requested would take up considerable more land or we could reduce those traffic circles even farther, so it no longer becomes a roundabout, therefore, effectively reducing our landscaping, as opposed to just completely eliminating it. The other issue that has come up is part of ACHD requirements. The landscape island here and in the other two cul-de-sacs, have increased in size, therefore, counteracting not all, but some of the landscaping that we have reduced or eliminated. So, due to these issues and, like I said, the comments that we have received from ACHD in regards to these, that is why we are proceeding and would request that we proceed with the final plat and eliminate those traffic calming devices that ACHD considers roundabouts. De Weerd: Was there another issue that you had brought up? The park piece? Morgan: The reason for that is there is an existing home that is located on this property here and they have a fence and a deck that sits here and we did not have a complete topo at the time that the preliminary plat was done and for that reason that fence actually sits -- the existing fence and the deck sit closer to this -- the original property line that we had originally anticipated and in order to not pose any hardships and there is a daylight basement also that is -- comes underneath this deck and to reduce the impact to this existing home, we had to adjust the property line. Otherwise, there would be some considerable drainage from this park that would end up in the private residence and that is something that, typically, is not allowed, that you drain from a public property onto a private property. De Weerd: Well, it appears there is significant discussion that you need to have with staff before Council decides on this plat. Bird: Madam Mayor? De Weerd: Yes. Bird: My opinion is, as one Councilman, is he either goes -- he goes back to staff and gets this rectified or I can vote to deny it right now. There is a significant change from Meridian City Council July 11, 2006 Page 20 of 64 the preliminary plat and I -- then, I think he needs to go in and get this lined out with the staff . De Weerd: Yeah. I don't remember where we have seen a reduction in open space, so -- it looks like there is some work -- if you would just work with staff on that, we can continue this matter and Council can address it at that time. Morgan I would like to point out that we are still quite a bit over the open space requirements as required by the city code, that we have not reduced below that amount And the overall percentage -- we were proposing 10.8 percent and this has reduced it to 10.6. So, the overall percentage is actually rather minimal. Borton: Madam Mayor? De Weerd: Yes, Mr. Borton. Borton: I don't disagree with Councilman Bird. I think there is -- it's time to go talk to staff. I don't know at what point after you made the decision to move that lot line on the open space did you contact staff? If mean if they found it an hour ago, was there a communication about where you made known that that change was being made? Morgan: That communication would have come from Ashley Ford of our office and I do not know if that communication was made or not. The issues with the traffic circles we did not come about until last week and I do know that that communication was made as of Friday. De Weerd: Okay. Anna, what is the appropriate time to bring this back? Canning: We could just set it over for a week for now and, usually, these issues are fairly easy to resolve. I'm a little bit at a quandary, because, to me, removing the traffic circles, I would normally not call that consistent with the preliminary plat. So, I will proceed that way unless you tell me otherwise. Borton: Madam Mayor? De Weerd: Mr. Borton. Borton: I agree. De Weerd: Okay. Thank you. Bird: I do, too. Rountree: Madam Mayor and Anna, it would seem to me that each one of those traffic circles impacts a minimum four lots, that the lot lines are going to have to be redrawn Meridian City Council July 11, 2006 Page 21 of 64 and legal descriptions rerun. This is a final plat, so that stuff should be taken care of before we act on it. Canning: Two weeks might be more appropriate. Bird: Madam Mayor? De Weerd: Mr. Bird. Bird: With that I move that we table Item No. 11, FP 06-030 until July 25th, 2006. Rountree: Second. De Weerd: Okay. I have a motion to continue Item 11 to July 25th. All those in favor say aye. All ayes. Motion carries. MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES. Item 12: FP 06-029 Request for Final Plat approval for 62 single-family residential building lots and 3 common lots on 13.1 acres in an R-8 zone for Irvine Subdivision No.1 by Dyver Development, LLC - SEC of Ten Mile Road and Chinden Boulevard: De Weerd: Item 12 is FP 06-029. I will start this with staff comments. Canning: Madam Mayor, before -- you know, I kept on thinking next week was the 25th. So. on Ambercreek when I said to continue it one week to the 25th, that's what was going on there. The applicant did ask just for the 18th. I think they have all the issues resolved on Ambercreek and I apologize for my blond moment there. De Weerd: Okay. After this item we will ask staff to consider a new motion. Canning: All right. We are on Irvine now. De Weerd: And don't blame it on being blond. Canning: You have told me that before. Okay. I'll try and remember it. Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, the last final plat on the agenda tonight is for Irvine Subdivision. We do have a letter from the applicant stating they are in agreement with the conditions of approval, so on the -- as far as the city and the applicant are concerned, we are in agreement. We have had communication with one of the neighbors. This isn't a Public Hearing, but Mr. Stevenson is in the audience and I know he would like to speak to some of these issues. We have been communicating with him frequently on the outstanding issues, so I raise that as an item, but our concerns are addressed.