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Rohm: It's been moved and seconded that we forward onto City Council recommending
approval of AZ 06-019 and PP 06-018, both related to Southwick Subdivision, to include
staff comments. All those in favor say aye. Opposed same sign?
Newton-Huckabay: Aye.
Rohm: Let it be noted that there was one descending vote and the rest were in the
affirmative.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. ONE NAY.
Item 11:
Continued Public Hearing from April 20, 2006: AZ 06-017 Request for
Annexation and Zoning of 11.79 acres from RUT to R-15 zone for Wells
Street Subdivision by C2B Developments, LLC - 675 and 715 Wells
Street:
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Item 12:
Continued Public Hearing from April 20, 2006: PP 06-017 Request for
Preliminary Plat approval of 84 building lots and 14 common lots on 11.79
acres in a proposed R-15 zone for Wells Street Subdivision by C2B
Developments, LLC - 675 and 715 Wells Street:
Item 13:
Continued Public Hearing from April 20, 2006: CUP 06-012 Request
for a Conditional Use Permit for 18 multifamily dwelling units in a proposed
R-15 zone for Wells Street Subdivision by C2B Developments, LLC -
675 and 715 Wells Street:
Rohm: Okay. Moving on. At this time I'd like to open the continued Public Hearing
from April 20th, 2006, for project AZ 06-017, PP 06-017, and CUP 06-012. All three of
these items related to Wells Street Subdivision and begin with the staff report.
Hood: Thank you, Mr. Chair, Members of the Commission. This is the final item on
your agenda for this evening that we didn't get to on the 20th of April. I, too, am pinch
hitting for Josh this evening. This is the Wells Street Subdivision. As you may recall --
it's been awhile now, but there was a Comprehensive Plan amendment for this property
-- I believe it was last fall that you made a recommendation -- it may have even been
earlier than that -- to the City Council to change the Comprehensive Plan future land
use map designation of this site from office to the -- to allow residential uses in this
area. The subject application is 11.79 acres and includes 84 residential lots and 14
common lots in the R-15 zone. I'll go to the aerial here. The property is zoned in the
county today. It is just due east of Woodbridge Subdivision. The remainder parcels
around this site to the north, south, and back to the west -- or, excuse me, east, are all
in the county today. There are a lot of these lots that are -- maybe I'll jump back to the
zoning map. As you can see, the colored ones are in the city, so I guess there is an L-
0 zoned one there. They have not started to develop that site. That's why I guess I
forgot about that one. But largely county around to the north and south anyways.
Single family homes. Here is a copy of the plat. Just to touch on a couple of things in
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the staff report. We do have ACHD's comments as well for this one since the last
hearing. That was something that -- we were recommending that it be continued,
because we didn't have ACHD's comments. I did have a chance to go through that staff
report. It doesn't appear to have anything significant as far as conditions of approval
from ACHD. I understand that at the Public Hearing there was some concern about
traffic in this neighborhood and if you have ever been in this area, the traffic does move
at a pretty pretty clip and some people may use it to even cut through from Locust
Grove to Eagle Road. I have been guilty of that a time or two myself. But in that staff
report there are no significant changes to the plat. As far as the roadway system goes,
we are recommending down in the southern part of the plat -- the landscape plan, I
believe, shows some access for the two larger lots that are being platted. In the staff
report there is a requirement that they submit, actually, a private street application,
which can be approved at the staff level, for the access for the multi-family lots that will
be condoed. It's my understanding that the intent is to condo those lots, so you can see
there are -- I don't want to call them lot lines, but there are condo lines on there for
future condominium of the -- what will be the triplex, then, it gets condoed into three
individual ownership units of those buildings. So, that is in the staff report that they
submit that private street application and also apply for a Conditional Use Permit for the
multi-family, since that is a requirement of the R-15 zone for multi-family dwellings. Just
a final FYI, I guess, on the Comp Plan amendment. This has been scheduled for the
City Council. It's on the City Council's agenda for June 6th. So, just so you know, they
are prepared to take action on this. They are waiting to have this application catch up to
it. The rest of the staff report, I believe, is pretty self-explanatory and I didn't see
anything that Josh is pointing out here that seems to be significantly different than what
the applicant is proposing. So, with that I will stand for any questions that you may
have.
Rohm: Thank you, Caleb. Any questions of staff? Seeing none, would the applicant
like to come forward, please?
McKinnon: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Members of the Commission. Dave McKinnon.
735 South Crosstimber. Scott's handing out some elevations for you to look at. Also a
rendered site plan. He'll go ahead and wrap that up really quick and, then, I have got a
shocking statement to make. I have read the staff report. It may sound funny to you. I
find no fault with it. I agree with everything in the staff report. It has a recommendation
for approval. There is findings in there for approval. There is conditions of approval
that we are in complete agreement with and I can't find any fault with the analysis that
Josh did. Unfortunately, Josh isn't here to hear that shocking statement, but I have
already told him. I told him last week. We have no argument with what he's prepared.
So, with that I guess the shocking information over, we agree with the staff
recommendations for approval. That being said, I still have a few things I want to just
quickly gloss over. In the last six months, seven months since you heard this last, there
was a caveat from you saying prior to this going to City Council, as Craig mentioned,
going in front of City Council next month -- prior to that happening you made a
recommendation that we come back to you with an application showing you what we
were doing with our mixed use project. Well, this is what we came to you with
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previously. That's perfect. Wells Street. Magic View. Woodbridge. Just for orientation
purposes. This is what we came to you with at the Comprehensive Plan hearing. A lot
of changes have happened since then. We met with you, you guys gave us your input
at the P&Z hearing. We had subsequent meetings with the neighbors. We have had
meetings with the sub groups in the neighborhood. And we have had individual
meetings with people in the neighborhood. If some of you don't know, I, actually, live in
Woodbridge, so I see a lot of my neighbors here tonight to testify as well. So, it's going
to be fun. Some of the changes that we made with this project happen to be on Wells --
on Magic View Drive, the entrance into Woodbridge. Originally, as you can see, we
intended on putting an access road out onto Magic View Drive. We have since taken
the access off of Magic View Drive. There is no longer a vehicle access to Magic View.
We have eliminated that and replaced that with the pedestrian pathway. We have some
concerns about traffic at that point, saying this would encourage cut-through traffic, so
we eliminated the access point there. We have put in a 15 foot wide landscape buffer
on Wells Street and put in a pedestrian pathway to connect the two neighborhoods.
There is no direct connection, but there will be a sidewalk that will connect into
Woodbridge. With the traffic concerns we went ahead and commissioned a traffic
report. I have got a copy of that if you want to go into it later tonight, but the traffic
report came back favorably, as Craig just mentioned. Last week we went in front of the
commission for ACHD. The commission was unanimous in their decision to approve
the -- to approve this project with the conditions placed upon it by staff. Their staff had
recommended approval. And, again, another shocking statement. I have no problem
with everything that was in the report. A couple other changes that we came up with
after meeting with your staff and with the neighbors. We decided that along the back
side here we would go ahead and make these lots deeper. As this was originally
drawn, we went with 80 foot deep lots there. We decided that wasn't deep enough
backing up to Woodbridge, so we went to one hundred foot deep lots. In addition to
that, we widened those lots and got rid of the big house concept. Those of you that
might remember, the big house concept was larger -- a large house that looks like one
big house that has multiple units in it. We decided to get rid of those backing up to
Woodbridge. We didn't think it was appropriate with massing and the scale, so what we
have done is taken these individual single family home lots and run them the full length
of Woodbridge and tried to match up sides. So, we have widened those and made
those deeper to match up better with Woodbridge. In addition to that, we originally had
three pack housing, this is housing that would be in three units similar to what we have
now proposed down in the condo area, all along the perimeter of the subdivision. We
decided that we could make those lots wider and make those a little bit deeper as well
and make those into either pared housing, that would be two houses together, with a
zero lot line, or they are wide enough that you can, actually, build individual houses on
individual lots. In the packet that Scott gave you -- and Scott will go over this in a few
minutes -- the housing on that perimeter will be allowed to be either built together or
detached. The reason why you would put them together is you could have larger side
yards. If you put them detached from each other, you have eight foot in between,
instead of 16 feet in between on the side yards. So, we went ahead and did that. We
thought that would be more appropriate backing up on the periphery of the subdivision.
We have worked with ACHD as an unimproved right of way. This cul-de-sac does not
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currently exist. It's, actually, just a field right now and you can see that on the aerial that
Craig originally showed you on this project tonight. We kept the open space in the
middle. We went ahead and widened out the alleys from -- to comply with the UDC.
Your fire department required a 24 foot wide driveway aisle. Those have to be public --
they have to be private roads, they can't be alleys, because the housing on the interior
of this block all open onto open space. And so they actually have the front yards and
the front doors will open onto the open space to a product -- I know you have seen. We
are excited about it. This is something that we have actually shown to a lot of people
and a lot architects and a lot of builders are, actually, excited about this. They see a
desire for people to buy these types of houses. We have met with a lot of people. We
have had a lot of good talent and a lot of people tell us what they want and your staff
has been invaluable -- they have been valuable to us, the comments that you have
made, all our meetings with the neighbors -- it's been a good process for us. This isn't
something that we have put together, it's been a long slot for the last seven months, but
what we have ended up with is something that looks like almost identical to this. So, if
you can go to the next slide. This is what we ended up with. The changes that I -- there
we go. Again, just for orientation purposes, that cul-de-sac that doesn't exist that will
exist in the future here and Woodbridge, Magic View, and Wells, we ended up with
something that looks very similar. What we told you we were going to come up with we
did. We started off with 108 lots on that last slide that I showed you. We are down to a
hundred. So, we have eliminated lots. We have made the lots deeper and we have
made some wider. We have varied the product type. We now have four product types
within this subdivision. We have got elevations and footprints and floor plans for all of
those. I'm going to turn a little bit of time over to Scott, so that he can talk about some
design philosophy and talk about the elevations. At this time reserve the right to come
back for rebuttal. Again, we'd ask for your approval tonight and ask if you have any
questions of me before I turn some time over to Scott to talk about design. Thank you.
Rohm: Fair enough.
Beecham: Mr. Chairman, Members of the Commission, for the record Scott Beecham,
405 South 8th Street in Boise. I just wanted to talk to you quickly about kind of what our
goal and our philosophy was when we started this and when we put the applicant
together for the Comp Plan amendment and really show you what we have come up
with at the end of this process. The dates been talked about, but our goal here was to
introduce a higher density, smart growth development pattern to the City of Meridian.
Wanted to do this by locating housing near employment centers and near major
transportation corridors. Of course, this site is right near Eagle Road, as well as 1-84,
and it is within a ten mile radius of 22 of the 28 major employers identified on the
Meridian Chamber of Commerce site. So, we have accomplished those goals. Again,
this is a little bit difficult to see on this overhead, but the site is right in here with
Woodbridge, Eagle Road, 84, Silverstone, and EI Dorado, obviously, down south of
Overland Road. What we want to do was provide a diversity of housing types. We
were looking to fill a need in the City of Meridian, an alternative to the large lot single
family residential that we are seeing. What we have done is looked at a variety of
product and I don't know if we can adjust the color on this, but we do have call outs --
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again, we have got a single family detached product here along the boundary with
Woodbridge. We have got a paired housing or -- that can also be built individually, they
can be detached or attached on the perimeter here at Magic View and Wells. We have
got the interior attached townhomes that are alley loaded and, then, the condominium
townhomes here on the south. I won't go into detail on the floor plans. We did present
you with the colored elevations and floor plans to show that it is feasible on these
smaller lots to build a very very effective home. I will just point out case in point. On the
single family detached homes adjacent to Woodbridge, the concept plan that we have
put in front of you is, again, a nice elevation, it is a narrower lot, but a nice elevation. It's
a 2,700 square foot home designed on a 4,400 square foot home site. So, we do have
a very adequate building and I think this concept plan will show that there is a lot you
can do on a smaller lot if you pay attention to the design. Dave, if you wouldn't mind
maybe just scroll through the next slide, which is the paired housing. And, again, these
can be built together or apart, given the setbacks and the building footprint that we have
established on this. The next slide is the elevations on the interior and, again, the use
of color and, you know, modulation, some individual front porches, entries, allows these
to live as single family homes. They are attached, but everybody's got the individuality
of their own home and their own front porch, not multi-family apartment style housing.
This is all ownership. The final slide is the condominium townhomes. They -- again,
individual front porch, variation in window patterns and so forth, so you can clearly tell
which house is yours and this is more similar to a Brownstone type of product, with tuck-
under parking, we have got a flex room downstairs, and the majority of the living is up
on the second floor. As Dave indicated, this product did not fit with massing and scale,
really, adjacent to Woodbridge, so we pulled that away from Woodbridge and have that
stand alone in the southeast corner. So, what we wanted to do is fill a need for more
affordable housing type for people who want to live and work in Meridian. We are trying
to cater to non-traditional families. These are singles, young families, single parents,
and empty nesters. We are seeing average sales price -- I just looked at numbers this
morning, average sales price for new construction in Meridian is above 300,000 right
now. We are looking at product that we can bring in just below the 200 and stay within
that 200,000 dollar range. I think there is a growing affordability issue in the City of
Meridian and we are really not seeing the options. We are seeing apartment housing or
these large lot single family homes and we are trying to fill that need that fits in between
there. So, the proposal before you is for a higher density product. It's eight and a half
dwelling units per acre. It's not a high density product, but it is a little bit higher. We feel
the key to successfully integrating a development such as this is to pay a lot of attention
to the design and, basically, soften the density through the design. What we have -- I
think the way to do that, to accomplish that, is to provide for generous landscape areas
and, Dave, if you will go back to the site plan that would be great. Within the private
yard areas, you know, these all have backyards, of course, as do these along
Woodbridge. But also in the common areas that are interior to this site -- and we have
got a number of pockets around in the community. This one down here in the corner
ties into the pathway that goes along Five Mile Creek, by the way. We also wanted to
establish a street tree program that would really soften the street scene and create a
nicer environment for pedestrian, as well as vehicular travel. Street buffers, as Dave
mentioned, along Magic View and Wells and, again, within the common area at the
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center of this product. In addition to that, we wanted to focus on enhanced architectural
details and use of materials and colors. I think the elevations show that that's
accomplished in our proposal. The individual private entries, again, are important and I
guess to close, we are excited about this, we are excited to be bringing this type of
product to the City of Meridian. We think we have got a great location for it and we think
it's a great alternative to the multi-family four-plex style development that we have been
seeing in the higher density developments in Meridian. With that I'll stand for any
questions.
Rohm: Thank you.
Moe: Mr. Chairman?
Rohm: Commissioner Moe.
Moe: Can you pull up your second elevation that you have there? I assume that that is
the one that is somewhat fronting the street going into Woodbridge and I am to -- on the
backside, elevation-wise, are you -- do you have any -- basically, this is your front that's
going to be facing to the south, I would assume.
Beecham: That's correct.
Moe: What exactly is the elevation going to look like from the street that went into
Woodbridge?
Beecham: Well, the rear elevation will be, first of all, screened between -- behind a 15
foot street buffer. Then, we have got our 15-foot rear yard area and there will be
significant modulation on the rear elevation. It's not -- not too dissimilar than what you
see on the front elevation, with gable ends --
Moe: Here is what I wanted to make sure of, is that we are going to see different --
Beecham: Yeah. If you look at the floor plan it will give you an idea of the modulation
that will be occurring on the -- on the rear elevation.
Moe: With different components in those; correct?
Beecham: That's correct.
Moe: Okay.
Zaremba: Mr. Chairman, I do have a question. In the elevations that you're showing
and I think it was the final one, probably plan D or something like that --
Beecham: Okay.
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Zaremba: You mentioned tuck-under parking, which makes me believe that it's like
basement level parking. Is that what you're meaning?
Beecham: Mr. Chairman, Commissioner Zaremba, it's, actually, at grade. You don't
drop down in. You pull in at grade, you actually step up a half a flight to what we are
calling a flex room, which is kind of a guest suite on the floor plan that you can see.
And, then, you step up another half a flight or three-quarters of a flight, really, and you
live up above the garage in that flex space. So, that this particular plan is about 1,250
square feet in this concept, two bedrooms upstairs, and -- do you have a second floor
on the --
Zaremba: You, actually, answered my question.
Beecham: Did I already?
Zaremba: As long as you're not going below grade.
Beecham: No.
Zaremba; I was going to ask about water table and stuff like that, so that's --
Beecham: No.
Zaremba: If you're staying above grade --
Beecham: Yeah.
Zaremba: -- my question's gone.
Beecham: Okay.
Rohm: Any other questions of this applicant?
Beecham: Thank you.
Rohm: Thank you. There are quite a number of people that have signed up to speak to
this item and, typically, when we have this many people that have signed up there will
be a spokesperson for maybe a subdivision and if, in fact, there is a spokesperson, that
person is given ten minutes to voice their concerns and if that's the case, they are
actually speaking for the balance of the people that would have offered testimony
themselves. If that's the case, then, having the spokesperson for ten minutes -- I'd like
to see a show of hands for those that he would be speaking for. From the audience a
comment was made that there are two spokesmen and, quite honestly, I think that that's
not a bad way to go, as long as they don't step over each other and present the same
information twice, for all intents and purposes. So, with that being said, we will take our
first --
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Newton-Huckabay: You want to take the hands -- a show of hands --
Rohm: Well, they kind of -- go ahead.
Bader: My name is Ernie Bader and I live at 624 South Wood haven and I'm speaking
on behalf of the residents of Woodbridge. First off, I'd like to say, wow, this is just great
for Conger Management and for them to have this beautiful little miniature golf course, it
appears to us. We are not so excited about it. And Woodbridge. We fought this
initially and lost. We understand that, you know, things are changing. We are willing to
accept certain things. However, this density just does not go with our neighborhood and
what we would like to see going next to us in our backyards. Our main complaint is,
really, the common space issue. They have what appears to be one acre and we have
about 20 percent of our community of about approximately 80 acres and we just see
them coming right over into our neighborhood, using our trails, their dogs doing their
duties in our areas and, basically, spreading out into what we have that we pay for. You
know, if they were to allot more common space, something for their residents, then, you
know, we would be more open to what they have to offer. However, this R-15
designation -- you know, this many units next to our community is just too much
congestion for what we have. Another thing is the services that they talk about, they are
still going to have to travel the access onto Eagle that's already quite congested and this
will definitely make it worse and people cutting through our neighborhood. But,
basically, our biggest complaint we have is common space. If they could add a little bit
more for their residents, you know, instead of having that one acre that's going to be
shared by, you know, people's front yards, I don't really see people going out there and
utilizing it. There is nothing there for them. We have a pool. We have trails. You
know, they are just going to be cutting straight over to what we pay for and what we
utilize. So, unless they could come up with something, you know, a little more feasible,
you know, we are -- we enjoy their -- you know, their allotment is fine with us. That's all
I've got to say.
Newton-Huckabay: Thank you.
Rohm: Thank you. Any questions of this individual?
Fox: Good evening, Commissioners. My name is Gene Fox. I live at 582 South
Woodhaven, with my wife Celeste. We enjoy our house and I have some slides. If you
could advance, please, to the number six, I believe. That one. Before I go into my part
of the presentation, which has to deal with traffic, I just want to regress a little bit and --
because there was a previous presentation concerning two story houses. Somebody
else opened door, so, okay, fine, I'm going to step through. We have been in conflict
with Conger Group for some time over this area right here, because these are all two
story houses. On this side of the property line, our -- about 14 houses, I believe, all
single story. And some of the residents on our side of the fence have been objecting to
the possibility -- or not the possibility, but objecting to two story houses, because they
don't want people looking into their backyards. So, if -- if Conger blocked off all the
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windows on the west side, we would be happy about that. Me, personally, I don't care.
If somebody wants to look into my backyard, take a look at this body, that's punishment
enough for them. So, that being said, let me go on to what I'm talking about and I
believe I need to go to slide 12. We have slides -- we had slides prepared for a
previous speaker, but he pulled up lame, so -- this one, please. Ernie had to step in and
cover for him. Thank you, Ernie. With high density housing, as I understand it, there
should be several things and two of them that I'll address is public transportation and a
fluid traffic flow. Well, obviously, we don't have public transportation in this city and
contrary to the mural -- very nice mural that I have been admiring for several months
here on the back, there is no trolley cars available for public transport. Now, we have
the horses. In fact, the horses are just about in my backyard. But there is no trolleys for
them to pull and nor are there buses, nor are their trains. Please go to the next slide.
The next two slides, actually. Actually, there is no fluid traffic flow, as everybody knows.
This is Eagle. You recognize Eagle, because it's got cars back to back almost 13, 14
hours of the day. Actually, we have an unsolvable traffic problem regardless of the type
of construction that may go in in this area, but we do believe that public officials have
the opportunity to control, to some extent, the quantity of traffic that will be added. It is
obvious that a 50 unit project will add only half as many vehicles as will a hundred unit
project. Besides that, the impact of an office complex will be even less, because there
will be no weekend traffic. Next slide, please. Now, there are some who have
cavalierly stated the residents of the new development will use Eagle Road and the
freeway, because they are nearby. We hold this to be a hallow argument. And if I may,
I would like to read from this recent ACHD report that somehow mysteriously came into
our possession, because none of us knew that there was even going to be an ACHD
meeting about this. On their number B or their letter B, findings for consideration, has a
heading traffic impact study. ACHD says the traffic impact study was not required with
this application, but was supplied by the applicant. Now, Woodbridge community rates
one sentence. The district staff has been contracted by property owners in the
neighboring Woodbridge Subdivision regarding concerns of existing and potential cut-
through traffic. They have been in contact -- we have been in contact with ACHD any
number of times expressing our concerns to them, with no apparent results, other than,
basically, they are ignoring our concerns. I want to go on with this. ACHD concludes --
they call it conclusions of law. The proposed site plan is approved and that is if all the
specific conditions, such as curbs and gutters, et cetera, are satisfied. However, the
key to this whole thing, from my point of view, is -- and I quote: ACHD requirements are
intended to insure -- to assure that the proposed use development will not place an
undue burden on the existing vehicular transportation system within the vicinity
impacted by the proposed development. Let me repeat that. Undue burden on the
existing vehicular transportation system within the vicinity impacted by the proposed
development. May I have the next two slides, please. Washington Group International
put out this report that the Conger organization -- Conger Group submitted to the
ACHD. I don't know anything about the Washington Group International, but they are
involved in rebuilding Iraq and Afghanistan and New Orleans and their motto is
dedication to development. Right there, Unfortunately, the motto is not dedicated to
good development. Is there any doubt about how Washington Group International is
aligned? The Conger Group hired the Washington Group International -- there is a
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whole bunch of groups here -- to support this development. Washington Group
International supplied the Conger Group with these statistics. And I don't want you to
forget what Mark Twain said. There are lies, damn lies, and, then, there are statistics.
The Conger Group bought the statistics, but we don't. May I have the next slide,
please? My vocabulary ranks within the top ten percent of the English speaking world.
That's not a lie or a damn lie. But the only acceptable four letter word that I could come
up with was nonsense. How and why did the Washington Group arrive at these figures
that ACHD so readily accepted? I have no clue. But they certainly did not ask us about
what paths the drivers from Wells Street would use to drive to Winco. Washington
Group claims to employ 25,000 people. They should have sent at least one of those
25,000 to Woodbridge, so that they could actually look at the potential problem.
Woodbridge residents look at it every day and I hope that you Commissioners will also
look it. ACHD and Washington Group International may have been myopic and
indifferent, but this Commission should not ignore common sense. I have -- may I have
the next slide, please. I want to take you on a little drive through. Some of you may not
have even been to Woodbridge, but I would like for you to at least see our streets. May
I have the next slide, please. This is -- this is a plot layout of Woodbridge. This is the
entrance here that comes from the Wells Street. We have a street that basically circles
around, comes into one street, comes out to the other -- other end at Locust Grove. So,
I have about 12 slides and you can go fairly quickly through these, because the speed
limit is 25 miles an hour, although some people manage to ignore it. And I want to say
that water, electricity, and traffic will always follow the path of least resistance. The path
of least resistance between the new development and the Meridian avenue shopping
will be courtesy of the Woodbridge corridor. And please stop there. Woodbridge does
not pretend to be an elite community, but it is unique. It's not the people, nor the
houses, nor the landscaping that make this community unique, it's the location, because
Woodbridge is situated in a location that turns it into a traffic bypass. This is
unavoidable, because it is so much easier to travel between Eagle and Main via
Woodbridge than it is to travel the freeway, especially during heavy traffic hours. We
cannot stop the bypass traffic. We do not own the streets. What we can hope for is that
city officials, including this Commission, will recognize the problem and help by
restricting the quantity of traffic that will pass through our neighborhood on a regular
basis. On a recent Saturday afternoon -- yeah. This is fine. On a recent Saturday
afternoon I compared the driving time from the corner of Wells and Magic View to the
Home Depot parking lot. Now, when I went by the freeway, the average trip took nine
minutes. Nine minutes there, nine back. I had 18 minutes total. When I came through
Woodbridge it took seven minutes. Actually, it took six minutes. On that same day I
took a journey to Fred Meyers by Eagle -- you know, Fred Meyers is up here. I went
Eagle to Fairview to Fred Meyers and it took me ten minutes and traffic. When I came
back, I came down Locust Grove and on into Woodbridge and took me seven minutes.
I obeyed the traffic laws. An added bonus of traveling through Woodbridge was a lack
of traffic aggravation. Believe me, traffic aggravation is -- shut up. A community of 102
units will add at least a 102 cars and maybe as many as 200 additional drivers who will
try to avoid that traffic aggravation. The shortest distance between Wells Street and
some of the shopping down on Fairview is via Eagle. However, severe traffic conditions
-- and that's not even considering the current construction progress -- project -- make it
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easier and faster to go the long way through Woodbridge, up Locust Grove, and, then,
go east on Fairview. The Washington Group International paper pays no attention to
this detail, but -- and we invite you to put off this -- put off your decision for one week,
one day, two days, come on with me, we will take some driving tests, we will go out --
Dave and Scott can go, somebody from the Washington Group can go. We will drive
around and you can see the convenience for yourself. Now, our new neighbors,
however many they will be, will quickly adapt to the convenience of the Woodbridge
corridor, because doing so will take less time and cause less stress on their drive to
Winco or Sheri's or TacoTime. The inescapable conclusion is that there are half as
many units -- if there are half as many units, there will be half as many vehicles passing
through our neighborhood and if you deny the zoning change all together, we will
probably have little or no additional traffic to contend with. May I have the last slide,
please. The best use of this property in question may very well be residential, but it is
not yet zoned for residential. When we bought into this area, the understanding was
that the adjacent land was zoned for commercial office use, not high density housing. Is
not the Comprehensive Plan a promise to the citizens of Meridian by which they could
plan their future? Will the Washington Group International and the Conger Group and
the ACHD guarantee that only ten percent of the new residents will drive through
Woodbridge community? Will the Wells Street development be torn down if the traffic
exceeds ten percent? Two years from now you don't get to say, oops, we made a
mistake, because there will be no fix, then. The fix is now. If you, the Planning
Commission, decide to recommend this zoning change request, then, please, insist
upon a development that is more in tune with and less damaging to the Woodbridge
community. I thank you for your time.
Rohm: Thank you, sir. Any questions of this individual before he sits down?
Newton-Huckabay: I have none.
Rohm: Thank you, sir. These two individuals were supposed to have been the
spokesmen for your subdivision and were given additional time at the podium with that
in mind, but that does not preclude anybody else from speaking if, in fact, they are
bringing up something different from that which has been presented in previous
testimony and I would appreciate very much if you come forward it's new and different
information than that which has been presented by the two previous testimonies. So,
with that being said --
Newton-Huckabay: Mr. Chair, could we maybe recap the main concerns, if I may, being
density, common space, two story houses on the west side, and traffic concerns. So,
we would be looking for testimony pertaining to different than those issues.
Rohm: I think that you have encapsulated that very well and thank you. So, any
additional testimony should be outside of those items brought up by Commissioner
Newton-Huckabay. And so the next person on the list that signed up would be Celeste
Fox. She has been -- from the audience she said she's been spoken for. The next one
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is, I believe, Rich Exile. And she's been spoken for. Jack McKinney. He's been
spoken for. Jim Flecker.
Flecker: My name's Jim Flecker. I live at 538 South Thornwood Way, Meridian.
Commissioners -- Chairman. Commissioners. I'm just going to add one thing. I'm with
the group, really, but I'm angry and here is why I'm angry. I put a lot of work in this early
on and I went -- they made reference to neighborhood people. I went to ACHD. I went
to lTD. I spent a lot of time talking about what can we do about this traffic situation.
There weren't any answers. We had an ACHD meeting I knew nothing about until
tonight and I am not happy about that, because I can tell you this, I have been 40 plus
years as an engineer and a planner and I can make the numbers do anything you want,
okay? And it's an illogical argument to me if you have that traffic coming -- okay, I'll just
try to put it real quick. The traffic, if it's office traffic, it's not there on weekends. We all
know that. So, you can't just go with a straight numbers game. The other issue is this:
When the peak traffic, which is Monday through Friday, rush hour, the people coming to
the offices are going to be coming in. The people from the Woodbridge are going to be
going out. So, all you're going to do is add to the flow if you change this thing and we
didn't have an opportunity and what I'm crying is foul. I want to talk to these ACHD
people, because I want to know where they came from, because this is an illogical
argument and I don't know where they got it, because it wasn't there. And even thought
I had been there and all this is going down, I had no opportunity. Now, I don't know
what the technicalities are here, but you can either go with maybe the technicalities or
you can do the right thing. And the current Comp Plan is a good one, as was pointed
out by Gene. So, we are trying to change something that's already good. This density
is too much and its argument is invalid. Thank you. Any questions?
Rohm: Thank you, sir. Steve Birch. Okay. From the audience said that that individual
has left. John Strutt. I probably butchered the last name, but that's -- John was the first
name. The next one is Tony Cezio. Okay. The next one is Ernie Bader. Okay. And
the last one is Ray Foster. And from the audience he says he's been spoken for. And
that concludes the list. So, at this time if there is anybody else that would like to speak
to this issue, please, come forward.
Pearcy: Chairman and Commissioners, my name is Betty Pearcy. I live at 675 Wells
Street. And my husband and I did sign up on the sheet.
Rohm: Oh, excuse me. Thank you.
Pearcy: Okay. I would just like to -- I own the property in question, myself and my
husband, and they -- these people -- the people from Woodbridge are so concerned
about the traffic. They talk about traffic, traffic, traffic. My husband and I have lived
there for 32 years. And before Woodbridge was built we had no traffic. We had a -- the
Magic View Road that went down there was just a little turnaround, it went at the north
side of our property and just turned around the neighbor's place just right there. We had
no traffic at all. And, then, Woodbridge was built and the traffic is just constant. In the
mornings I can look out my front window and it's like an exodus out of there. About
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4:30, 5:00 o'clock at night, here they all come back again. And I'm putting up with the
traffic, so I just don't see where they have a really lot to say about traffic, traffic, traffic,
when I have lived there 32 years and I never had any traffic until them. And there was
one man that made the comment about people from that neighborhood maybe walk
their dogs and do their dirt in their neighborhood. Well, we have people walking by our
house all the time and walking their dogs and doing their dirty in our neighborhood and
we don't -- you know, they say, well, we don't want people driving through our
neighborhood. Well, their neighborhood -- we are still a neighborhood. We are the
Magic View Subdivision, even though we have got -- to the east of us we have got
commercial development, to the north of us we have got commercial development all
right in Magic View Subdivision. And I feel like many of those could go to Locust Grove
and go out Locust Grove. They don't have to come Wells Street. They don't have to
come out Magic View. They have got a nice four lane highway over there on Locust
Grove and a nice four lane highway on Franklin that would take them around to the
freeway, but they don't, they come through our -- right by our house. And they also
made the comment that they think that the property would be more suited for office.
Well, it's really not suited for office, because it's too far from Eagle Road. It's -- the
location is really not that good, and when the new Comprehensive Plan was made, my
husband and I went to the first meeting, we went to many meetings, we were on a
committee and our whole neighborhood signed up and we asked to have mixed use
where we are at, but, then, we were told that we couldn't get mixed use and we called
Planning and Zoning and someone in the Planning and Zoning department told us that
they didn't feel comfortable in just giving that whole area mixed, but each project could
come in and on its own merits, you know, and talk to them and consider it being
rezoned at that time. And I also would like to say that I -- I drive -- I drive east most of
the time and -- because they are concerned about people cutting through them. I feel
that most of the people that live in that area would go to the east, hit the freeway, and
go the way -- because what you're going to do -- where your shopping is -- and most of
your shopping and everything is to the east of us, so I feel like the traffic would go
mostly to the east. And I guess that's, really, all I have to say about -- about the traffic
and -- I mean I have just as much to say about it as they do and I just want -- I drive
Eagle Road all the time, I have drove Eagle Road for 32 years now. I drove it when it
was a two lane highway and maybe ten cars a day, because when we moved there it
was nothing but -- we were out in the country. It was just a little two lane road. And my
husband and I, we just want the opportunity -- we have some horses. We want the
opportunity to sell our property and move our horses and go to a more rural area,
because it is a very -- you know, with all the office and with Silverstone and all those
other stuff, it's just becoming -- it's not a rural community anymore. And that's all we
would like is just the opportunity to sell our property and move to a more rural
community and take our horses there.
Rohm: Thank you. And I want to apologize, I just started going down the list of the
against and I skipped right over you, so I --
Pearcy: Just so I got to have my say.
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Rohm: Absolutely. Thank you very much.
Pearcy: Do you have any questions of me?
Rohm: Thank you.
Pearcy: Thank you.
Rohm: Dave Pearcy.
D. Pearcy: Okay. Mr. Chairman, Commission. My name is Dave Pearcy. I live at 675
Wells Street in the Magic View Subdivision and I want to thank my wife. She did a good
job, I don't know what else I could add to that. She was marvelous. But we have lived
there a long time. We raised our family there and I do have the horses. I believe they
were talking about horses there and that is a real concern of ours that -- because all the
Woodbridge people and all the -- they come walking their dogs, they come bringing their
little kids and they want to feed the horses, they want to pet the horses, and the liability
could be pretty bad. I mean it's just starting to get scary having them come along there,
so I know we got to get them horses out of there before somebody get bits or hurt,
because it's not like it was when we first moved there. It was great then. And we have
never once complained about Woodbridge. We never gave them any problem. Even
when they come right by my bedroom window every hour of the day, every hour of the
night, they are coming in, they are coming by, I can't get any sleep. And I have to get
up so early that I try to go to bed early, I can't, because I'm a driver for Dennis Dillon, I
have to get up, start working at 5:30 every morning, and I just -- I get about two or three
hours of sleep is about all I get on account of the traffic, but I never complained to them
and I won't complain. I never complained to none of the projects that was out there, all -
- everything that's been built, all the commercial, the record will show I never stood up
and complained once at all. I said, hey, people got a right as well as I do. Now, I'm
down to where it's maybe my turn to get out of here and do something different with my
life, to take the horses out. So, that's all I can say.
Rohm: Thank you, sir. That, I believe, concludes all the individuals that have signed
up, but if at this time there is anybody else that feels so compelled, now is the time to
come forward. Seeing none, would the applicant like to come back and offer their
rebuttal.
Beecham: Mr. Chairman, for the record Scott Beecham. I would ask just how -- a
question of process. I'd like to split the time with Dave McKinnon. He's really the
authority on a lot of the planning issues, but I do want to talk about some of the issues
brought up. Is it all right in a rebuttal situation to split time?
Rohm: You have got ten minutes between the two of you.
Beecham: Right. Okay. I guess I would like to open with saying I'm a little bit
disappointed at the tone of the way things have gone tonight. I think this is -- this group
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of neighbors at Woodbridge have been very good to work with. We have had in the
neighborhood of about ten meetings with them, different groups, sub groups, within that
neighborhood. They have been very good to work with and I think we have got a better
plan for the process we went through. The tone that I'm hearing tonight and I think you
guys are hearing tonight is one of, you know, total dissatisfaction and I don't think that's
representative of the meetings that we had with them and, you know, I think your staff is
in the same position. They have contributed a lot of time to that as well. So, I'm
disappointed, but I understand. You know, I was involved with Woodbridge. I worked
for the developer at the time and I was heavily instrumental in the design of it, how it
worked out. Jim Conger is here tonight. He built it. We have -- I mean we have got a
great interest in Woodbridge and what kind of neighbor that is and what kind of neighbor
we can be. We really want to be a continuation of that type of development. It's a good
development. I think it's a great neighborhood within the City of Meridian. We want to --
we want to expand on that, but we want to introduce product that both provides a nice
transition and fills a need that we see in the City of Meridian. We have made some
changes to the site plan, tried to accommodate them in a number of ways. We think we
have done a good job. Again, I think we have got a better project because of it. But I
just want to go on the record as saying, you know, we are certainly not turning our
backs on Woodbridge and what's happening there. We still have very close ties to it.
And as you know, the Comp Plan has already been acted on. I think it is important to
note I got a copy of a letter and I think you got it in your packets from Wanda Bucker
stating -- and she lives in the Magic View neighborhood, stating her concerns in the
points the Pearcys brought up that, you know, they did want a mixed use in this
neighborhood and they didn't end up getting that land use designation. Again, you have
acted on that, but I do want to make sure that is in the record. She is out of state and
wanted to make sure she was on record. I will touch quickly on the traffic study. Dave's
really the authority on that. But we met with the neighbors and they asked for a traffic
study. Well, actually, we volunteered it. We said let's quantify this. Let's understand
what's happening. So, we went out and we hired -- we got three bids, we didn't go with
the low bid, we went with the -- a well respected traffic engineer, Dave Swett at
Washington Group International and he put together a traffic plan that, quite frankly,
surprised us. I didn't expect to see 90 percent going east. But he made very
compelling arguments and we questioned him on that. The neighbors asked for it, we
provided it at our expense, and just trying to help quantify the situation and I feel like
now it's being used against us and I think Dave's record -- Dave Swett's record is a
good one. Washington Group's record is a good one. We are, of course, no affiliation
with them and we can't pay a traffic engineer in this valley to skew their numbers. They
will only do one more traffic study in their career. That's my feeling. But with regard to
the design, the two story homes backing up to Woodbridge was brought up. That's a
different commitment to make. It was brought up earlier today -- and I think there was
some good conversation about it. There are two story homes in Woodbridge that back
onto this property. There is, actually, more single level than two story, but it could have
gone the other way and in future remodels there is nothing to say that a two story
addition couldn't be added. There isn't a control mechanism in the city to stop that, I
guess, from the Woodbridge perspective. We think through good design, good
landscaping, we can mitigate that impact. I wish I was able to say we will go to all
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single levels on that site, with the reduced lot size and, again, trying to achieve this
density to serve a lower price point, it's difficult to accomplish everything and I think we
have made some good strides, but we can't do it all. Finally, with common areas, again,
I think we are talking about lifestyle choices. We are trying to provide -- fulfill a need in
the city where people can walk and go, busy young professionals, singles, empty
nesters that maybe have a second home, they don't want large yards for maintenance.
We have offered some yards, but we have also offered a nice common area at the
center of this project, it's equipped with a gazebo, picnic tables, barbecues, a gathering
place, a place you can go and have a block party. If you don't have a private yard, it's
because you made that choice, but at least you have a place you can go and I think we
have programmed that pretty well and I think it works well on the site plan. With that I'll
stand for any questions and defer any additional time to Dave.
Rohm: Thank you. I have no questions. Any other--
Borup: Just one comment. I'm not sure you should have been too surprised by some of
the comments, because I think the majority of them are the same comments that were
made when Woodbridge was holding its Public Hearings by the surrounding neighbors.
They had almost all the same arguments.
Beecham: Yeah. Mr. Chairman, Commissioner Borup, I respect that. We just -- we
went through a very lengthy and intensive process with these neighbors, so I guess --
Borup: I'm just saying the neighbors -- the existing neighbors in Woodbridge had the
same concerns.
Beecham: Oh, I remember that well.
Rohm: Thank you.
Beecham: Thanks.
Rohm: Four minutes, Dave.
McKinnon: Yeah. I have got about four minutes according to my running watch here. I
will go fast. Commissioner Newton-Huckabay broke it down pretty quick, saying what
the major issues were, and I went ahead and wrote them down. Density is the first one
she said and just a couple of quick comments on density. This is the appropriate
location for density. It's near jobs, it's near a transportation corridor. The
Comprehensive Plan basically lines it all out. Josh did a good job in his staff report
saying when you want to do density, you do it near those areas. You don't put it on the
fringes of the city, you put it in the areas where those people live and work and that's
what this is. I live in Woodbridge, I appreciate it, because I used to work right next to it
and I worked for Meridian, I could walk to work, and when I worked at Pinnacle I would
ride my bike there. Now that I work downtown I can hop right on the freeway. This is
the appropriate location for this. In addition to that, allowing some affordable housing in
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that area is also appropriate, because the people that live and work in those areas, the
hospital and the other 22 different areas, those are people making a living wage and
there needs to be an affordability for people to live and work in this area. The common
space issue was the second issue. Is there enough common space? Woodbridge is
approximately 20 percent open space and this subdivision is approximately 17 percent
open space. It's not at the scale of Woodbridge, Woodbridge is a much larger
development. This is a different type of development, but there is 17 percent open
space. If this were to be a planned development there would be a requirement for ten
percent open space. A typical subdivision is only five percent by code. We have gone
above and beyond the requirement for this. This is not a planned development, we are
not asking for any variances. We are trying to provide open space for everybody in this
development and still provide a clustered development that can have the open space.
The second issue -- the third issue that you brought up was the two story transition.
Scott, I had a couple of slides if you can put them up really quick. Gene mentioned a
couple of things. One of the things he mentioned in his comments was that there is no
two story houses on Woodhaven, which isn't quite accurate. Went out this morning, as
you know, driving out, this is what it looks like from the middle of the Pearcy's lot and
from Bonnie and Judy's property. This is Woodhaven looking to the back. We have two
stories -- there is four two stories backing up that you can see. Another one further
down. And Gene Fox's house is here. There are two story houses that back up to this
subdivision. On the north side of the -- of Woodhaven Road all of the houses on
Woodhaven are two story, on the other -- on the north side. So, there are two story
homes backing up to Wood haven. These aren't all single family -- single level homes.
So, as far as the transition between that, within Woodbridge itself there are people that
have two story homes that back up to single story homes. There is also two story
homes that back up to two story homes. It works. there is a transition between that.
People have that within subdivisions in Meridian and l'd ask that we not go further into
that. The final thing is traffic. WGI, a well respected company, the former Morrison-
Knudsen company. Been around for hundreds of years, there are thousands of
employees. As Scott said, we went ahead and had this traffic report commissioned.
Prior to commissioning the traffic report we asked them to do one simple thing for us.
We said can you get us some traffic counts. We asked them to put down traffic tubes,
they are tubes that count the vehicles that go in and out of a subdivision and at what
homes and it keeps track of that on an 24 hour basis. We asked them to put them in for
72 hours. One on Magic View and one on Woodbridge Drive. Woodbridge Drive is the
east -- Magic View is existing east, Woodbridge Drive is the road that exits to Locust
Grove. So, we went ahead and did that before we did the traffic study, just so we could
get a number. These aren't numbers that we have purchased from anybody, these are
numbers that we actually went out and counted. I, myself, over a number of periods --
over the time period, I drove over these myself a number of times. Sometimes going to
the City of Meridian, sometimes going to Winco, sometimes heading to the office. So,
that's where the numbers came from. Then they have to interpolate that. It's an
engineering process where they say here is what the averages are and here is how they
work. So, that's how the traffic study came up. Now, the interesting thing that we talked
about just briefly was what would happen if this went all office and this is kind of fun.
Trip generation. This is handled by ACHD and ACHD came up with these numbers.
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They have a trip generation chart out of the trip generation manual and they say for
residential per units, so the type of development we are doing, is 5.8 trips per unit or
with having a hundred homes, multiply that by a hundred -- 580 vehicle trips per day.
WGl's traffic report said we are going to be putting about ten percent or 58 -- we will call
it 60 vehicle trips per day back through Woodbridge. The Meridian Comprehensive
Plan as it was drawn up, it is written up to have interconnectivity. They didn't want to
say let's push all the traffic to the arterials. There is supposed to be some
interconnectivity between subdivisions. If we go to professional office, if this were to go
for professional office, it is -- for every 1,000 square feet of professional office you get
11.01 vehicle trips. If you have 12 acres of land, is approximately 25 percent coverage,
so taking the same 12 acres that we are developing, three of that would be 25 percent
of coverage, multiply that out, that's 130,000 square feet of office. That would generate
approximately 1,439 vehicle trips per day. If, as it was suggested, this should go to
medical office, the numbers get even more staggering. These are from the ACHD's trip
generation manual. You end up with 36.13 trips per thousand square feet in medical
office or approximately 4,721 vehicle trips per day. Now, if you take the information that
you received from the City of Meridian, the majority of growth in Meridian is taking place
in north Meridian. Those people coming to these jobs would take, again, the path of
least resistance. If this property were to develop with the medical office or an office, my
guess is if they are coming from north Meridian, they are going to come through
Woodbridge. This, actually, would decrease the amount of vehicle trips coming
through, as opposed to the office that could be there or medical office that could be
there. I have no argument against the weekend vehicle trips, as Mr. Flecker pointed
out. It's the weekend. We are talking about peak hours and peak trips and this is
usually, typically, between Monday and Friday. I'd ask for your approval tonight. We
spent a lot of time on this and I appreciate your time for volunteering on this and we ask
for your approval tonight and ask if you have any questions of me. Sorry I had to go so
fast at the end there.
Rohm: Thanks, Dave. Any questions of the applicant? Okay. Thank you, Dave.
McKinnon: Thank you.
Rohm: Before we comment on this, I'd like to just say that we, as the Commission,
appreciate each and everyone of you for your testimony and I can assure you that
everything was listened to with the intent of coming with the best decision back and I
appreciate taking time out of your evening to come in and testify and it will receive its
due consideration. So, with that being said, Mr. -- Commissioner Zaremba, would you
like to provide some comment?
Zaremba: You want me to start. Okay. Well, I certainly would agree with your idea. I
appreciated the well thought out presentations from all sides of the discussion. To have
it presented in an orderly manner is very helpful for us in our consideration. And it's
kind of a difficult thing to consider. I generally am supportive of not making changes to
the Comprehensive Plan. And this is a case where a change does have to happen to
the Comprehensive Plan before this can even be considered. As I recall, I did vote in
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favor of moving the Comprehensive Plan amendment forward to the City Council and
also involved in asking the City Council to hold and wait for this project to come to it.
The things that I see changed in this presentation represent to me all the things that I
think that were mentioned by us and neighbors and everybody else involved during that
Comprehensive Plan amendment discussion before us. I realize it hasn't been to the
City Council yet. But I realize traffic is always an issue. I realize mixed use, if you look
at one single piece of property this is not necessarily mixed, it's all residential. But
considering the neighborhood around it, if it's all office or all commercial, that's not
mixed either. This creates a mix in the neighborhood to me. I think the applicant having
closed off the entrance that was going to be on the north street -- I can't read it right at
the moment.
Newton-Huckabay: Magic View Drive.
Zaremba: The Magic View Drive makes it even less likely that traffic from this
development will travel west. Once they are already going south or east, it's counter
intuitive to reverse direction that much. I feel the flow is going to be east. I, too, am
surprised that it's 90 percent to ten percent, according to the experts, but I probably
wouldn't have guessed it too far off from that with the northern exit no longer existing.
My feeling is that I would support this project in this new configuration and I would be
willing to send it on to the City Council recommending approval contingent on their
decision on the Comprehensive Plan amendment.
Rohm: Thank you, Dave. That was well stated. Commissioner Borup, do you have
comment?
Borup: Yeah. Well, not much more to add, other than I think this is a good location for
this type of development. It is near employment centers and even though it's been a
few years ago, I think -- I do remember there was -- there was a certain amount of
discussion on the Comp Plan designation about not having it all office and I don't
remember why that wasn't -- there wasn't a decision to mix that up a little bit, but,
obviously, there wasn't and I think part of it probably was, as one of the -- as was stated,
that they said that would be an opportunity in the future if -- if developments came in
requiring that. So, that is what they are here to do. That's alii have got.
Rohm: Thank you.
Borup: Other than it, obviously, is something way different than we have seen in multi-
family -- I mean it's different than other higher density projects as far as the architectural
style.
Rohm: Thank you.
Borup: Very nice on architectural.
Rohm: Commissioner Newton-Huckabay.
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Newton-Huckabay: I have a couple comments. I'm not sure how relevant this one is,
but Mr. Pearcy made me think of something. I learned to ride a horse on Eagle Road,
so -- at Franklin and Eagle Road, as a matter of fact. This is the type of a high density
development that when we go to all the training on good planning and what high density
should look like and the type of homes you want to offer for the market, this is the type
of thing that they put in front of you is this type of development and, then, a lot of times
what we get in front of us as a Commission is a bunch of four-plexes that are all made
out of the vinyl siding or something. So, I really do like the way this turned out. I have
to agree with the rest of the Commissioners, I think part of the city is where we do need
to see higher residential. I -- the Mayor's vision, if I understand it, is that most of the
east side of Eagle Road will develop into a fairly substantial medical community and as
the hospital grows that's going to increase demand for higher end homes for urban level
professionals and the Comprehensive Plan does state that we want to provide a mixed
type of housing and we do not have this type of housing much to offer in the city. I have
more than one colleague at the moment who are looking for this type of home in
Meridian and cannot find it in the city and they are moving to other locations trying to
find it and I think that if we want to keep people living where they are working, this is the
type of development I would like to see and I -- and traffic is always a problem and I
don't know what the right answer is for the traffic, other than if we could build all the
infrastructure before we develop, but I'm not sure we would push that through either if
that was an option. So, I'm in favor of it going onto City Council myself. Thank you.
Rohm: Commissioner Moe.
Moe: Mr. Rohm, I don't have any more to add than the other Commissioners have,
other than the fact I would like to make the point that I do appreciate the fact that the
applicant did listen to the comments early on and did go back and make the changes.
Quite frankly, it was good to see that staff was very supportive of the project and that,
basically, all items that we had discussed had been taken into consideration. It's very
much appreciated. I guess the only other thing that I'd like to add that the biggest
problem I see in traffic right now -- and this is an ACHD problem more than anything
else, and that is they have got to do something in regards to Magic View and Eagle.
Basically, I think if something's not done in that area it could be a problem with the traffic
going east, but at the same point they can always pick up the street that's just --
Borup: Well, yeah, they said it's a right-in, right-out is what will be the designation.
Moe: Yeah. So -- but other than -- I do -- I do support this project as it is.
Rohm: Thank you. And I think that each of you have done a good job kind of covering
some of the bases that we try to make good sound decisions from and \, too, view this
project from its location to the interchange on the freeway as good development. I think
that to put something like this at the far reaches of the area of impact makes little sense
and putting it close to where people can go east-west on the freeway and north-south
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on Eagle Road is the best location for this type of a development. So, that being said,
that's the end of comments.
Zaremba: Mr. Chairman, I would only add one more comment and that's sensitivity to --
I don't know how to put this. Apparently, ACHD, Ada County Highway District, does not
feel that the requirement to provide notice about public meetings applies to them. We
hear time after time that an ACHD meeting has happened on a project and nobody
knew about it. As a Planning and Zoning Commission and the City Council, we have
three different levels of notice that we have to give to affected property owners within
300 feet or in the newspaper or signs posted on the property. And it still amazes me
that that does not apply to ACHD, that they should notify people that a public road that
is in their neighborhood, they are considering changes on it, so -- I don't have an
answer for that, but I guess that's a legal question and an Idaho state law question. But,
again, I'm surprised that they do hold hearings without people knowing that it happened
and you're absolutely right, they do. They don't give notice in any manner that I'm
familiar with. So, that's just a comment. Mr. Chairman, I move we close the Public
Hearing on AZ 06-017, PP 06-017, and CUP 06-012.
Moe: Second.
Rohm: It's been moved and seconded that we close the Public Hearing on AZ 06-017,
PP 06-01, and CUP 06-012. All those in favor say aye. Opposed same? Motion
carries.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Zaremba: Mr. Chairman?
Rohm: Commissioner Zaremba.
Zaremba: After considering all staff, applicant, and public testimony, I move to
recommend approval to the City Council of file numbers AZ 06-017, PP 06-017, and
CUP 06-012 as presented in the staff report for the original hearing date of April 20,
2006, with no modifications and with the addition of notice to the City Council, as they
already know, that this approval recommendation is contingent upon their acceptance of
a previous Comprehensive Plan amendment that's related to it.
Borup: Second.
Moe: And the ACHD report. Do you want to include that in --
Zaremba: It's not covered? I thought it was. We need to add --
Borup: It was covered on the verbal --
Zaremba: Okay. I forget. Did they have any requirements that we didn't already have?
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Hood: April 26th is -- their commission acted on this application. I will insert those
comments anyway. You don't need to necessarily make it part of your motion, but I will.
We just recently received those, so I will add them for City Council.
Zaremba: I would note for the record that we did have comments from staff about the
ACHD record and those will be included when it goes to City Council.
Rohm: We have a motion.
Borup: Second..
Rohm: We have a motion and a second to forward onto City Council recommending
approval of AZ 06-017, PP 06-017, and CUP 06-012, to include all staff comments for
the hearing date of May 4th, 2006. All those in favor say aye. Opposed same sign?
Thank you, everybody, for coming in.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Item 14:
Public Hearing: RZ 06-002 Request for a Rezone of 0.22 acres from I-L
(Light Industrial) to Q-T (Old Town) zones for Stan Lantz by Stan Lantz -
608 West 3rd Street:
Rohm: At this time we'd like to continue the hearing this evening and start with opening
up the Public Hearing for RZ 06-002 and begin with our staff report.
Hood: Thank you, Mr. Chair, Members of the Commission. I'm going to make this
really brief. This is a pretty cut and dry application. If you notice the arrow on the
screen there, there is a small piece of property, it's 0.22 acres, it's currently zoned I-L,
as you can see. The OT that's right by it -- there are some parcels in this area that are
zoned OT. It's an industrially -- for the most part industrially zoned area, but there are a
lot of residences in here. Those residences are nonconforming uses, because the I-L
zone does not allow single family homes. The subject property owner would like to sell
this property and the home that's on the property. The financing people will not give
them financing for this sale, because if the house burns down in an I-L zone, we will not
allow them to rebuild the house, because it is in an industrial zone. So, they have
applied to rezone this property to 01. That is consistent with the Comprehensive Plan,
single family uses are allowed in the OT zone, and staff is recommending approval with
no conditions. So, I will stand for any questions you may have.
Rohm: Caleb, that was very nice. Thank you. Any questions of staff? Would the
applicant like to come forward, please.
Lantz: Hi. Mr. Chairman, Members of the Board, my name is Stan Lantz, I live at 1892
North Monico Way. I started this process -- I first talked to Caleb quite some time ago
when I first decided to sell that property. Never realized how tough it was. In the