HomeMy WebLinkAbout2022-02-22 Regular Minutes Item#2.
Meridian City Council February 22, 2022.
A Meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order at 6:01 p.m., Tuesday,
February 22, 2022, by Mayor Robert Simison.
Members Present: Robert Simison, Joe Borton, Treg Bernt, Jessica Perreault, Brad
Hoaglun and Liz Strader.
Members Absent: Luke Cavener.
Also present: Chris Johnson, Bill Nary, Joe Dodson, Jeff Brown, Joe Bongiorno and Dean
Willis.
ROLL-CALL ATTENDANCE
Liz Strader _X_ Joe Borton
_X_ Brad Hoaglun _X_Treg Bernt
_X_ Jessica Perreault Luke Cavener
_X_ Mayor Robert E. Simison
Simison: Council, we will call the meeting to order. For the record it is Tuesday, February
22, 2022, at 6:01 p.m. We will begin this evening's meeting with roll call attendance.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Simison: Next item is the Pledge of Allegiance. If you would all, please, rise and join us
in the pledge.
(Pledge of Allegiance recited.)
COMMUNITY INVOCATION
Simison: Our next item is the community invocation, which will be delivered by Pastor
Drake --Troy Drake this evening. If you would all, please, join us in the invocation or take
this as a moment silence and reflection. Pastor.
Drake: Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Council Members. Would you pray with me. Lord God,
was just reminded in Psalm 4 that it says there are many who say who will show us any
good and that's a little short sighted, God, as you know, that there is plenty of good. We
thank you for this great country that we have, that we have this -- despite all of its faults,
Lord, we have freedom in our country and -- and we can pursue life and liberty here.
Lord, we thank you for our state and this great city that we live in and -- and, God, I just
pray for our first responders here tonight, the people who keep us safe, the police officers
and firefighters and paramedics, Lord, we pray that not only do they help us, but you
would keep them out of harm's way tonight and -- and, Lord, it's cold and so we are
thinking about those who are homeless and who need things. Lord, here we are tonight
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and we -- we have food in our stomachs and a warm place and -- and people who love
us and we just -- our heart breaks for those who don't have those things, so we just
prayed, God, that they would find their place to a church or -- or a shelter or a friend or a
relative or someone who could provide safety and help for them and, of course, last, but
not least, Lord, pray for this Council meeting tonight, the business that they will cover,
that you would give these servants for us wisdom and they would be able to, you know,
accomplish what you set before them and we just appreciate them, God, and pray that
you would impart your grace upon them and we pray all these things in your name, Lord,
amen. Thank you.
ADOPTION OF AGENDA
Simison: Thank you. Next item up is the adoption of the agenda.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: We don't have any changes tonight for the agenda, so I move approval of the
-- of the adoption of the agenda as published.
Borton: Second.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to approve the agenda as published. Is there
any discussion? If not, all in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay? The ayes have
it and the agenda is agreed to.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
PUBLIC FORUM — Future Meeting Topics
Simison: Mr. Clerk, did we have anyone signed up under public forum?
Johnson: Mr. Mayor, we did not.
PROCLAMATIONS [Action Item]
1. Black History Month
Simison: Okay. Then with that we will move on to Item 1 this evening, which is a
proclamation for Black History Month. Councilman Bernt, would you like to join me at the
podium for this.
Bernt: Sure.
Simison: And we will invite President Taylor from the NAACP to join us at the podium as
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well. So, we are here tonight to do a proclamation for Black History Month and I asked
Council President Bernt to join me down here, because this is really about the relationship
that we have been building together with President Taylor, members of the NAACP and
others in the community of -- whether it's the Hispanic chamber or others, following the
actions from a couple of years ago and so it's really borne of a friendship, a partnership,
a relationship, one that's overdue for a coffee, as President Taylor reminded me earlier,
from that standpoint. But during the proclamation --we did our first one last year for Black
History Month and we are happy to do it again. So, with that we will go ahead and read
the proclamation. Whereas during Black History Month we honor and celebrate the many
achievements and contributions made by African Americans to our economic, cultural,
spiritual and political development and whereas Black History Month grew out of the
establishment in 1926 of Negro History Week by Carter G. Woodson and the Association
for the Study of African American Life and History and whereas the 2022 national theme
for the observance is Black Health and Wellness, which considers activities, rituals, and
initiatives that black communities have done to be well and whereas the observance of
Black History Month encourages our community to understand and acknowledge the lives
of all of its African American citizens and live up to our democratic ideals and whereas we
are able to live better lives and have a brighter future thanks to the contributions that have
been made of African Americans in our community, state, and nation. Therefore, I, Mayor
Robert E. Simison, hereby proclaim February 22nd as Black History Month in the City of
Meridian and encourage the residents of our community and communities across the
country to learn more about and celebrate the diverse heritage and culture of African
Americans and continue our efforts to create a world that is more just, peaceful, and
prosperous for all. Dated this 22nd day of February 2022. With that, President Taylor,
invite you to say any words and, then, we will do some pictures after that.
Taylor: Thank you, Mayor and this -- and this deliberative body of the city for your
recognition. Some of you may not know, but I was here a few years ago to receive this
proclamation and at that time I spoke to the fact that Meridian was the first city, to my
knowledge, in the state of Idaho, to acknowledge or help Black History Month in this city.
In my religious efforts I deal a lot on faith. So, I think it took a lot of faith for the Mayor
and this deliberative body to step out and become the first to recognize Black History
Month in this great state of Idaho, even though Idaho as a state recognizes it. I would
like to report to you tonight that as I speak there is another city in Idaho that decided to
step out in faith with you and that is the city of Caldwell. It's amazing that we look at what
happened a few years ago as simply being a simple recognition to the African American
community. It was a great step. It was an ambitious step and I'm sure a step that was
not viewed by all, but all came together to make it happen and you did it again this year
and somewhere along the line someone else in Idaho got a message and felt that why
don't we do the same and I am honored -- truly honored of my friendship with the Mayor
and Treg here -- even though he gets me into all kind of trouble. But then I hear the Mayor
say he gets everybody into trouble that he surrounds -- that you would come again and
ask me to be here and as I close out one, I leave you with this thought in mind. What if
-- what if the African American contribution had been recognized and celebrated during
those years that it happened, then, we would not have to have a month to celebrate
African American history, because it would have been American history. In fact, that is
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what it is. American history. And we wouldn't have to study Critical Race Theory, things
that seem to divide the country while we, in the City of Meridian, are trying to bring the
community together. So, what if -- and, again, I want to thank you, Mayor, thank you,
Treg, for bringing this to your deliberate body and I can assure you the African American
Community in Meridian and all over Idaho thanks you for that step of faith. Thank you.
Bernt: Sorry, Mayor, I have a cough, but, you know, I -- it's a privilege to stand before you
today and, honestly, I would -- I would call it from a great leader in -- in our -- in our US
History, John Lewis, he -- I think he called it good trouble.
Taylor: Yeah.
Bernt: That's what -- that's what you are talking about; right?
Taylor: That's right. That's right.
Bernt: Look, all -- all kidding aside, you know, President Taylor is just not a true leader in
the African American community, he is a true leader in Meridian and the friendship that
we have been able to develop over the last couple years has been awesome and I really
truly appreciate you and the others who we meet at -- yep. Absolutely. And -- and it's --
you guys -- it's just -- it's been an absolute pleasure and I thank you from the bottom of
my heart for all that you do, for, you know, the -- the -- to talk about all the
accomplishments of the African American community in our city.
Taylor: Thank you.
Bernt: Thank you.
RESOLUTIONS [Action Item]
2. Resolution No. 22-2315: A Resolution of the Mayor and the City
Council of the City of Meridian, Appointing Patrick Grace to Seat 6 of
the Meridian Planning & Zoning Commission; and Providing an
Effective Date
Simison: Thank you, Council. With that we will move on to Item No. 2 this evening, which
is Resolution No. 22-2315. This is appointing Patrick Grace to Seat 6 of the Meridian
Planning and Zoning Commission. As I mentioned when we did the previous
appointments to -- the other commissions, including Planning and Zoning, I had teased
that I would be bringing Patrick's name before you to replace Bill Cassinelli on the
commission, who I attended his last meeting last week and he -- he provided his notice.
But when we were going through with Commissioner Seal we felt that Patrick would give
a good rounding out of the committee with the loss of Ronda, with Bill Cassinelli, both
from, you know-- fit --fit with the commission, location where you lived, knowledge of the
city, involvement in his local HOA as Paramount and in that area. Being an attorney I
think -- you know, Councilman Borton can agree or disagree, but I think it brings a -- a
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nice skill set to Planning and Zoning that can help them with their processes and forming
those decisions. But it was really the answer -- I don't want to give away my questions
that I ask for future applicants, because I don't want people tailoring their answers picking
up on what I say, but, needless to say, the comments that he made about negotiation
skills, views on personal property rights versus community rights, how he approaches
issues and challenges that he faces that I think he will -- he will just bring a great addition
to the P&Z, so they can effectively engage and communicate back and forth as necessary
with our community as applications come forward. So, he is in the room this evening, but
he doesn't get to speak until after he has accepted the job -- or you have agreed to give
him the job, unless you have any questions for him. So, with that I would put this before
you for your consideration.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: I move we approve Resolution No. 22-2315, appointing Patrick Grace to Seat
6 of the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission.
Strader: Second.
Bernt: Second.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to approve Resolution No. 22-2315. Is there any
discussion? If not, all in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay? The ayes have it
and the resolution is agreed to.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Simison: Patrick, would you like to come forward and make any comments?
Grace: Good evening. Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Council Members. I just wanted to
say thank you all very much for the opportunity to serve. I have lived in Meridian for about
16 years now and it's a great community and over the last couple of years or so I have
been thinking about ways I can give back and apply for a few positions on some
commissions and this one came up and I was pleased to talk to the Mayor about that and,
hopefully, bring some of my skill set and experience to bear and, yeah, for the good of the
-- of the community. So, I appreciate it very much. I'm looking forward to giving back.
Thank you.
ACTION ITEMS
3. Public Hearing for Inglewood Commercial (H-2021-0095) by
Goldstream, Located at 3330 E. Victory Rd.
A. Request: Modification to the Existing Development Agreement (Inst.
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#2019-124424) to update the conceptual development plan to
include a daycare facility instead of a retail use and removal of the 3-
story office building in favor of a smaller retail/office building.
Simison: Thank you, Patrick. With that, Council, we will move on to our public hearings
for this evening. First up is Item No. 3, a public hearing for Inglewood Commercial, H-
2021-0095. We will open this public hearing with staff comments from Joe.
Dodson: Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Members of the Commission -- Council. Sorry. Got me
on the Commission now. I'm filling in for Sonya tonight. She had an obligation she could
not get out of, so I'm covering this project for her, so be a little nice on this one. You can
bash me on the next one. This is for Inglewood Commercial. It is for a development
agreement modification. The site consists of approximately nine acres of land, located at
the northeast corner of Eagle and Victory Roads. It's zoned C-C and R-15, with the C-C
zoning being adjacent to Eagle Road. It is designated as mixed use community on the
future land use designation. The applicant proposes to modify the existing DA that is
currently in effect with the property, simply to update the concept plan approved for the
overall development. The existing plan depicts a mix of uses, including a residential care
facility with single family attached homes for independent living on the east portion of the
site in the R-15 zoning district, with an office pad and three retail commercial pads along
Eagle Road on the west half of the site -- about the western third. No changes to the
retirement community or the two retail commercial buildings at the southwest corner --
southwest corner of the site are proposed, except to enlarge the northern building pad
and include office as a potential use. In fact, the senior living facility minimally -- I'm not
entirely sure about the attached homes, but minimally the senior living facility is already
under construction. The very southwest corner of the site is planned to develop with a
drive-through restaurant use, more than likely a coffee shop, with indoor and outdoor
seating. Three story office building that is proposed to be removed, because there is not
adequate space for the building. There is a serious in the middle of the roadway and
through the building, which is depicted on the plan. A daycare is proposed in place of the
northern retail pad. The applicant's narrative states that walkways are planned from the
daycare to the senior living as part of the plan for the daycares for the children to go and
visit some of the seniors as well. In the existing development -- no. Sorry. The proposed
development plan includes a mix of residential and commercial users, demonstrates
compliance with the mixed use community designation in the comp plan for this site. The
proposed uses would provide employment opportunities and services for those living
nearby. I didn't also mention that the office pad shown on the existing concept plan would
not be able to be parked per our standards, which is another reason why they are
proposing to remove it. It was a little ambitious in the original development plan. Existing
DA will ensure supportive and proportionate -- and proportional public and/or quasi-public
spaces, including plazas, outdoor gathering areas, open space, et cetera that will be
provided within the mixed use and -- and/or the commercial component of the site. Staff
does recommend approval of this. There was only one piece of written testimony, which
was from the applicant representative and they are in agreement with the staff report.
And I will stand for any questions.
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Simison: Thank you, Joe. Council, any questions for staff? Okay. Is the applicant here?
Is there anything you would like to add at this time? Please come forward. State your
name and address for the record. You are recognized for 15 minutes.
Petersen: Good evening, Mayor and City Council Members. I'm Jim Petersen. Address
6609 Old Mill Circle, Salt Lake City, Utah. So, when we purchased this property -- it's
been a few years ago now -- our main motive was to build and develop a continuum of
care, kind of an age-in-place concept senior living. Like a lot of in-fills we had quite a few
challenges with this, but I think that as a mixed use site it's shaping up really well. So,
just a little bit -- don't know if this works at all. No. Okay. So, if you look at the existing
plan, we put the senior facility in the middle, put the cottage homes -- basically twin homes
to the east to buffer between the eastern neighborhood. So, all that part of the site is
under construction and will be opening in a couple months and it's strong great demand,
so we are -- we are leasing about twice as fast as our schedule was. So, that's all -- all
stays the same and there is no changes to that. Honestly, we didn't put a lot of thought
into the commercial part. We knew we had to do commercial along Eagle and the original
development agreement -- agreement -- I think we were, yes, definitely a little too
ambitious with the three story office building and three more office pads. There is quite a
few easements here, too. We have the McDonald's now going through the property. We
have an easement directly in from the -- from the -- the Main Street off of Eagle. So, it
will come straight through -- actually goes through the middle of that building. Yes, there
is an easement there. Fifteen foot easement on the north border and, then, there will be
another easement to connect the parking lot or what we plan on developing in case the
property to the north gets developed commercial the city wanted to have an ability to -- to
connect those commercial parcels, which completely makes sense. So, what we have
so far -- so, to fit all this in and meet our parking, our 25 foot setbacks all the way around,
our open space -- yeah, it wasn't even -- even close. So, what we are proposing to do is
to get rid of the three story office building. If you remember I was here a little while -- a
few months ago and we got approval for the corner coffee shop Starbucks use and so
that stays the same. The pad right to the north of it, that's small, I don't know what to use
will be there yet. Hopefully -- I don't know. Bank. Retail. And, then, the northern part --
we have that under contract for a daycare and that's -- that's another change in the
development agreement. So, two things in the development agreement that we need to
modify. Get rid of the three story building and it doesn't spell out the use daycare in our
-- in our current DA, it's retail, professional, restaurant. But it doesn't spell out daycare.
So, that gives us our mixed use and, yeah, we have connecting paths throughout the --
throughout the whole development and -- yeah. Open for any questions.
Simison: Thank you. Council, any questions? Thank you very much. I don't -- Mr. Clerk,
do we have anyone signed up in advance on this?
Johnson: Mr. Mayor, we do not.
Simison: Okay. Is there any -- anybody in the audience that would like to provide
testimony on this item or anybody online that would like to provide testimony? If you are
online use the raise-your-hand feature. If you are in the audience and would like to
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provide testimony, go ahead and come up to the podium at this time. Seeing no one
online or in the audience, would you like to make any additional final comments? Okay.
Then, Council, we will turn it over to you for questions, comments, or actions.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Quick question for Joe. He had mentioned that the -- the concept plan -- we
show daycare, but it's a retail office facility of some sort, so that's -- it's not required to be
daycare in this DA?
Dodson: Councilman Hoaglun, my understanding is it's not that specific, which is fine.
It's an allowed use in the C-C -- well, I should say conditional use in the C-C zoning
district, which I believe they have already submitted for that and they are just waiting for
this DA mod to be -- move forward in order to change the concept plan overall. Not
necessarily the use proposed.
Hoaglun: Okay. Thank you.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault?
Perreault: Yes.
Simison: Okay.
Perreault: Thank you. I have a question for the applicant, please.
Simison: Okay. He's coming forward.
Perreault: Thank you. So, all in all I don't think I have any concerns regarding the two
proposed changes to the development agreement, but I'm just curious what the
integration will be like for pedestrian activity for the subdivision that's to the east. That's
a pretty signature subdivision there in Sutherland Farms, so how will this kind of integrate
into the surrounding residential there on the east side? I don't see any walkways that are
coming over or any information about that.
Petersen: Yeah. So, we don't have the ability to, I don't believe, have a walkway from
the development directly to the neighborhood to the east, with the exception of the
sidewalk that we will be putting in along Victory Road. So, for people in that subdivision
to the east to get to our development you would have to go along the sidewalk on Victory
Road. That's the only connection that we are planning at this point.
Dodson: Mr. Mayor?
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Perreault: Thank you. Mr. Mayor, follow up?
Simison: Council -- yes, Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Thank you. Can you take us through the circulation with the daycare. The
entrance that's there along Eagle Road on the south side of the daycare, is that a right-
in, right-out and how will that traffic flow?
Petersen: Yes. Off of Eagle Road that is a right-in, right-out only.
Perreault: And so will individuals come in and then -- oh, they will come in that way to --
too pick up from a daycare and, then, exit out sidestreet then?
Petersen: So, they can exit onto Eagle and make a right or they could draw through the
parking lot and connect onto Titanium and that's a full access.
Perreault: Okay. So, there isn't concern about them flowing through near the -- the senior
living facility --
Petersen: No.
Perreault: -- evidently or --
Petersen: No. That's why we have the access -- originally we had the access to the north
of the facility and, you know, years ago before we did the development of the facility we
moved it to the south kind of for that purpose and the other thing that the city has really
paid attention to is -- you will see Titanium will be a through street. So, right now it's just
dead ending to the north of our property and also the parking lot we are going dead end
into the property to the northwest, because it's only a matter of time until that gets
developed, which traffic -- got to give more option for traffic to flow that way.
Perreault: Thank you.
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Council Woman Perreault did ask a lot of my questions,
but could -- I see here where there is like a covered parking -- it says parking garage. But
I was just hoping -- could you walk me through the pedestrian connectivity? The existing
concept plan called out some crosswalks, but is there going to be a -- maybe walk me
through the pedestrian plan.
Petersen: Yeah. I wish that was on the side. I'm just noticing that that's not on this plan.
There is -- so, where you see that long parking garage, that's what it is is a garage. They
are separated and there is a walkway through there and, then, there is a walkway to the
north -- along the north property lot and -- or I shouldn't say the line, but, yes, along there
and, then, there is walking to the south also. There is -- there is connections there. So,
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there is quite a few connections through there around the site.
Strader: And, Mr. Mayor, thank you. I appreciate you answering those questions. And I
appreciate -- of course, it could change, but appreciate that there is a daycare located
here and that's a huge need right now in our community.
Petersen: Yeah. That's what I hear. I mean I know they have done the studies and when
we did the senior living sites it's amazing demand for both and they work well together. I
mean side note is is where my kids go to school in Salt Lake is right beside a senior place
and they connect a lot. Like they go over there and, you know, preschool and stuff, do --
sing for them and do events and it -- it's a positive thing for -- for both. Yeah.
Simison: Joe, did you have something you wanted to add?
Dodson: Mr. Mayor, I was just going to add a little bit to the connectivity and the -- or
should say the plan connectivity. Not just along Victory, but as the applicant noted,
Titanium will wind up being moved north and connect all the way through to the north, but
also to Publisher there. These were already existing back fences, so you can't have
pedestrian connectivity through private property there, so there will be another pedestrian
vehicular connection should this property or these properties be developed in the future,
which my understanding is there has been a few pre-application meetings on this site
already. So, there is something maybe coming down the pipeline to help with the overall
connectivity of pedestrians, as well as vehicular.
Simison: Thank you, Joe.
Dodson: You are welcome.
Simison: Council, any additional questions?
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: I'm happy to kick us off and move that we close the public hearing.
Borton: Second.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing. All in favor signify by
saying aye. Opposed no? The ayes have it and the public hearing is closed.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
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Strader: Happy to make a motion on this. I think it -- that the changes are maybe more
realistic than was originally envisioned, but it feels like it's a good fit for this part of our
community. So, I would move that after considering all staff, applicant, and public
testimony that we approve File No. H-2021-0095 as presented in the staff report for
today's hearing date.
Borton: Second.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to approve Item H-2021-0095. Is there any
discussion? If not, Clerk will call the roll.
Roll call: Borton, yea; Cavener, absent; Bernt, yea; Perreault, yea; Hoaglun, yea; Strader,
yea.
Simison: All ayes. Motion carries and the item is agreed to. Thank you. Have a good
evening.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
4. Public Hearing for Lennon Pointe Community (H-2021-0071) by DG
Group Architecture, PLLC, Located at 1515 W. Ustick Rd., in the
Southeast Corner of N. Linder Rd. and W. Ustick Rd.
A. Request: Annexation and Zoning of 10.41 acres of land with a
request for CC (2.1 acres) and R-15 (8.3 acres) zoning districts.
B. Request: A Preliminary Plat consisting of 42 single-family building
lots, 1 multi-family residential lot, 1 commercial lot, and 2 common
lots on 8.8 acres of land.
C. Request:A Conditional Use Permit for an 18-unit multi-family project.
Simison: Next item up is a public hearing for Lennon Pointe Community, H-2021-0071.
We will open this public hearing with staff comments.
Dodson: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. The next project before you for Lennon Pointe
Community requests annexation and zoning, preliminary plat, and conditional use permit.
They also submitted for private street application, which is an administrative approval and
the director has offered approval of that private street. The site consists of 8.8 acres of
land, currently zoned RUT. It's located at the southeast corner of Linder and Ustick. Does
not have any application history with the city currently other than this. And the future land
use designation on the site is also mixed use community, which allows residential uses
with a density -- gross density of six to 15 units per acre. The request for annexation is
for 10.4 acres of land, two acres of C-C, and 8.3 acres of R-15. The additional acreage
accounts for the -- well, require acreage to go to the center line of the road. The
preliminary plat consists of 44 building lots, 43 single family residential, and one multi-
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family residential lot and one commercial lot and two common lots on the 8.8 acres of
land in the C-C and R-15 zoning districts. The conditional use permit before you tonight
is for a multi-family development that consists of a total of 18 units on 1.18 acres in the
R-15 zoning district. They requested R-15. Again, the applicant has received approval
in a portion of the project. The subject site has existing City of Meridian zoning in all
directions around it. The site is directly bordered to its north and west by arterial streets.
Development of the surrounding areas are ongoing with detached single family to the east
and south in Creason Creek Subdivision. Multiple office buildings are being constructed
to the north across Ustick Road within -- within the C-C zoning district. The C-C zoning
district to the west contains an ambulance service on the west side of Linder Road. In
addition to the existing land uses around the property, the subject site contains two major
waterways, which you can see more clearly on the map on the right aerial. This big one
here, as well as this one. This is the Kellogg Drain and this is the lateral, but I can't
remember what happened to the other map. Because of the two waterways almost the
entire property is within a floodplain. The applicant is proposing to pipe the drain and
reroute it to make more area of the site usable, as well as provide open space and
pathways in the southwest corner of the site and along the west boundary. The proposed
land uses are attached single family townhomes, multi-family, and commercial. These
land uses are consistent with those outlined in the mixed use community future land use
designation, both in its definition and the contemplated uses within its purpose statement,
especially when they are properly integrated internally, as well as with the surrounding
uses -- surrounding areas. Overall staff does find the proposed site design offers
appropriate integration. Specifically the applicant has proposed their multi-family
residential along Ustick and the commercial buildings on the hard corner of Ustick and
Linder, which places the most intense uses closest to the arterials, which is generally
Planning 101. Therefore, the single family uses are proposed in the remaining area of
this site, which makes up approximately 70 percent of the site. The applicant is proposing
the single family portion of this site is all two story, except for the five unit townhomes
along Linder, which would be these right here. In addition to the site design and proposed
uses, certain densities are required to be met for residential projects within the mixed use
community designate. Again, six to 15. Based on the 8.8 acres, the proposed project is
approximately 7.3 units per acre. If you take out the commercial area it bumps it up to a
little over eight that the gross density allow. Overall staff finds that the project is consistent
with the comp plan, as well as the future land use designation. Staff did recommend that
the units along the east boundary, which is shown on this map, that they be frontloaded.
They were originally proposed as alley loaded utilizing the public street as an alley, rather
than the front street. So, there used to be a walkway here. They removed that as was
recommended by staff and these are just going to be backyards abutting backyards. So,
it should be more private than a walkway and people trying to enter their front doors. The
following site data is also relevant when reviewing the preliminary plat overall. The
residential uses are allowed uses with an R-15 zoning district and future commercial uses
will be analyzed when those future applications are submitted. Again, they are requesting
C-C zoning, which is not the general commercial. A few more restrictions in that zone.
All dimensional standards are met with the proposed preliminary plat. The commercial
and the multi-family meets all the dimensional standards, as well as all of these building
lots within the single family area of the site. The -- in terms of the multi-family specific
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use standards, each multi-family unit is proposed as a single story unit within two
buildings. It appears there are nine buildings in each unit. So, three, three and three. It's
a three story building. The multi-units have been -- the multi-family units have been
revised. So, the -- the amount of private open space has not been confirmed, but the
previous one had more than what was required of the 80 square feet and in the future
certificate of zoning compliance staff will ensure that those --that minimum 80 square feet
is met. For the 18 units at least two amenities from two categories in code are required.
The applicant has proposed a shared plaza -- really, two at this point. One here and one
here. And public art, which is in this shared plaza here. Therefore exceeding the
minimum code requirements. Overall for the plat a minimum of ten percent qualified open
space is required. This is from the old code, because it was submitted prior to the recent
update. Based on the proposed plat of 8.75 acres a minimum of .88 acres of qualified
open space should be provided. According to the applicant's revised open space exhibit,
approximately 1 .7 acres of qualified open space is proposed, which is approximately 19
and a half percent. Almost twice the minimum amount. The majority of this open space
consists of a large open space in the southwest corner of the site. The central meeting
and half of the arterial street buffers, which are allowed to count per code. Again, this
area vastly exceeds the minimum UDC requirements. Staff finds that this proposal open
space is adequate in both its amount, as well as location. Also based on area of the plat
a minimum of one qualified amenity is required to be provided. The applicant proposed
three qualified amenities. A ten foot multi-use pathway, a children's play structure, and a
fenced dog park. This is one of the changes that was also made at the Commission
hearing -- between the Commission hearings. Move the dog park here. They are going
to connect a multi-use pathway in this location as well and they extended it all the way up
along the west boundary when they are not required to and all of the pedestrian
connections through here is also important. The proposed amenities, therefore, exceed
the minimum UDC standards. The applicant has proposed, as I noted, pedestrian
facilities throughout the entire site with attached sidewalks, micropaths, and the multi-use
pathway. All these facilities connect and integrate throughout the site and offer more than
adequate pedestrian circulation. All proposed sidewalks and pathways meet UDC
requirements as well. The project exceeds the off-street parking requirements per the
submitted plans. Future building permits for the single family will verify compliance of off-
street parking as each building permit comes in. Guest parking has been proposed along
the private street segment of the project as well. The applicant has a better exhibit than
I do to show that. Access to the site is from the adjacent arterials, as well as the existing
stub streets to the property. Linder Road there is an access proposed -- there is an
existing access to remain. A 25 foot wide driveway connection, which is here. It aligns
with the access on the west side. It is a temporary full access per ACHD, because the
access on the west side for the ambulance service is a full access. So, my understanding
is that if they limit the access to one side, they will limit to both and they don't intend to
limit the ambulance service. The access to Ustick is the same, but it will be -- it is already
going to be restricted as a right-in, right-out only. The other access points to the site are
from existing public street connections. West Pebblestone along the north, I believe, and,
then, North Zion Park Avenue from the south. So, that this segment of the project is the
public street and that also meets our ACHD requirements of 33 feet wide within 47 feet of
right of way, with five foot attached sidewalks and that a private street portion of the site
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is off of this public road, comes through here and here. This could be not necessarily a
private street, but a multi-family commercial drive out here, as well as off of Linder and
another drive aisle here to connect -- to help any cut-through traffic. Instead of having to
go through the commercial end of the residential, they can come through here. That was
another change made by the applicant. The applicant is proposing three detached single
family homes that are in the very southeast corner of the site and near the previous area
of the dog park. These are accessed off of the common driveway -- at least two of them
are, but the other one accesses off of the public road. This also complies with the UDC
standards. Since the Commission hearing there have been no changes, because there
was -- the project was continued from one hearing to another and all those changes were
made between those two hearings. The Commission recommended approval to the
Council on this. At those hearings there was a lot of discussion about the proposed multi-
family units adjacent to the existing family -- the single family homes to the east. The
proposed height disparity across the property in general with just two stories being
consistent and the property to the east being a mix of two and one story. There was some
general desire to construct the property with detached single family homes only. There
is concerns with the general increase of traffic in the vicinity with additional homes and/or
units. Furthermore, they discussed the location of the dog park. The kind of commercial
that is proposed -- or I should say anticipated in the corner, as well as the viability of the
commercial with no direct access. There is general agreement that the proposed changes
to the site plan are a benefit to the project and help with integration, as well as conformity
to the Comprehensive Plan. There is still concern with the proposed attachment units
along the east boundary, but they did not -- the Commission did not make any
recommendations to change that. Since the Commission hearing there have been
additional letters from a member of the public noting the same issue that the Commission
discussed, as well as reiterating traffic concerns and a desire to keep this area single
family, rather than mixed use. I will stand for any questions at this point.
Simison: Thank you, Joe. Council, questions for staff?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Thank you. Joe, I'm struggling with seeing this as mixed use community
versus mixed use neighborhood. I feel like it has a lot more of the mixed use
neighborhood identity. So, can you help me understand how you went through analyzing
that as staff? I just -- to me mixed use community is a lot more heavier use than what's
being proposed and it's larger commercial buildings may be more representative of the
area of commercial than residential. So, I just -- I'm not seeing this as matching what we
have on our Comprehensive Plan.
Dodson: Council Woman Perreault, that's a great question. It's -- largely what it comes
down to is just the size of the property and the hindrance of the irrigation facilities. When
you have 8.8 acres and the larger is not even going to be able to be touched, we don't
anticipate them meeting the three uses on 8.8 acres anyways. That's usually generally
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considered a little bit small to try to meet all three uses, but they have. They have
exceeded that, including the commercial. Now, in addition we -- may appreciate that they
put it along the arterials, rather than adjacent to the residential. You would be surprised
of the plans that we have had submitted on this site -- this is at least the third applicant
that I have discussed this site with. Granted, this applicant actually moved forward with
something and it is the better of the three. It is not -- it is not always cut and dry when it
comes to looking at the mixed use designations. I do agree this is probably more in
alignment with mixed use neighborhood than mixed use commercial and it -- especially
because of the site constraints. I could definitely understand the desire for more
commercial here, but as with anything, when you put commercial neighbors usually hate
that, whether it's good for the community or not and that's unfortunate, but it generally is
what happens. The Commission did discuss that maybe even flipping the multi-family
and the commercial or adding more commercial along Ustick. That probably would
increase some cut-through traffic further to the east, because the access within Creason
Creek -- I can't remember the street name -- probably be better access for those utilizing
the commercial. I hope that answers your question.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council, any questions for -- Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Sorry. It does answer my question, Joe. I understand the limitations with the
side -- of the site. I just -- I'm assuming that if they don't put the multi-family in and keep
that as a retail or commercial, then, there is concerns about meeting the three different
types of uses. Is -- is that something that's -- that -- I mean is that a hard and fast thing
that the applicant has to have the three uses over the -- the type of use in terms of how
we analyze it? I mean I just -- it's -- I'm just trying to understand like how we can best
integrate this into this corner, because it's a really unique corner, how it's going to develop
out. The area in the northwest from the corners had lots of issues. It's four acres. There
is issues with getting anything built there, because of the geography. So, I think this whole
corner is really critical for us to look at as a whole and I just had a lot of concerns about
getting this one right.
Dodson: Council Woman Perreault, those are great points. I completely understand. If
I could wave a wand I would include more commercial as well in all of these mixed use
parcels. So, I do understand that. The three uses are not necessarily multi-family, single
family, different types of residential and, then, commercial. Within the comp plan we
largely look at residential as one use, not multiple types of uses. They could be multiple
types of residential uses. A residential use is residential. Where they meet the three uses
-- and, again, it's not a hard and fast requirement on a site this small. It's a recommended
portion -- recommended comment -- or requirement I should say -- a recommended
requirement--that doesn't make sense, but-- it's a recommendation within the comp plan
to have those three uses, but when it's a site this small we usually do not make that a
hard and fast rule. If Council wants more commercial, because we have lost commercial
in other areas of this corner and further to the east, that's understandable. That's
something that staff has mentioned in all of the pre-apps with the applicants. That's why
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we pushed them to maintain a commercial component of the site. Most people would
have preferred not to do commercial at all on the site, so I will leave that up to the Council
to make that determination.
Perreault: Thank you.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Thank you. What is -- maybe a question for the applicant if we don't have the
answer, but I guess I'm just curious, what is the distance from that sort of northeast corner
from the northernmost building there to the single family and do you feel like that's an
appropriate buffer? It just feels like a really large building to have next to single family
residential.
Dodson: Are you referring directly to the east along the east boundary?
Strader: Yes. I'm referring to the northeastern most corner of the site.
Dodson: Great question. That came up at the Commission hearing as well. Both of
them. It was somewhat short. I believe it was originally like 26 feet now because they
took out the two -- or they took out a whole section of units along the east boundary. It's
now a minimum of 44 feet between the fence -- to the property line and the east side of
that building.
Strader: Thank you.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: Joe, is page 39 of the staff report depicted as changed or is that the original --
Dodson: More than likely the site plan within -- if you are talking site plan, then, it should
have been changed, yes.
Borton: It's just an illustration of the 3D image on page 39.
Dodson: Similar to this I hope?
Borton: That's all right.
Dodson: Perhaps this?
Borton: Yep.
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Dodson: That one? Yes, that's been updated. Correct.
Borton: Okay.
Dodson: Yeah, this would have been closer with another building. Probably where the
Progress ends right here, because they did have a walkway here still and now they took
that unit out, reduced it from four stories to three stories. Granted the very peak of roof
is still at the maximum 40 foot height limit within the R-15, but, then, it slopes away and,
then, pushed it further out, add some more open space and greens -- greens -- wow.
Trees.
Borton: Okay. Thank you.
Dodson: It's been a heck of a February.
Borton: Thank you.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Thank you. Joe, in your staff report it says there is temporary full access on
Linder. What does that mean and can that access be taken away?
Dodson: Council Woman Perreault --
Perreault: The full access.
Dodson: Yes. Yes, ma'am. That's -- I tried to explain that briefly. It's a full access right
now, because from -- my understanding from ACHD is they don't want to limit the access
on the west side of Linder for the ambulance service that's out there, so -- but, yes,ACHD
can remove that and make it right-in and right-out. Maybe that happened. I do not have
any idea when or if that could, but it can happen, yes.
Simison: Council, additional questions for Joe? Then I will ask the applicant to, please,
come forward.
Wheeler: Mr. Mayor and Council Members, Andrew Wheeler. 2923 North Arthur Circle,
Boise, Idaho. 83703. With DG Group Architecture. And, yeah, I appreciate your time
this evening in looking at this project. It's been a long road, about two years and multiple
design concepts and we have been working on it for about two years, multiple design
concepts, and have worked really closely with staff. Joe has been fantastic throughout
all this, as you can tell from his report, very detailed and, you know, we have been working
on it for a while. So, to start off, you know, in looking at the City of Meridian goals and
vision, you know, for the future mixed use community zone, one of the main purposes is
to allocate areas where community serving uses and dwellings are seamlessly integrated
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into the urban fabric and as noted in the staff comments, the site proposes as a
transitional density from the existing single family to the main arterial roads on the
perimeter and this definitely supports the goals of the City of Meridian in bringing more
housing, which we desperately need and finding that balance, which we can talk more
about of the -- on the commercial use. But I mean they are certainly concerned in the
marketplace of providing too much commercial and you also need enough residential to
support the commercial. So, trying to find that-- that balance on all those issues. So, we
can jump into the presentation for Lennon Pointe Community. To start off I will step back
to the existing conditions. Looking at an aerial map of the site in the southeast corner of
Ustick and Linder, you can see, when you zoom out a little bit, the connectivity of the local
street network, so there are multiple exit points onto Linder and Ustick. So, we are not
funneling everybody through West Pebblestone to one exit on Ustick or one exit onto
Linder. In looking at some of the challenges on the site, this is a survey that we initially
received multiple challenges. So, the arterial streets, difficult to get access in and out.
We have single family on the east and the south end and, then, the Kellogg Drain, which
runs through the middle of the site, which is severely limiting any development potential
and, then, the floodway, which is in the bottom left corner, and, then, a lot of -- about
three-quarters of the rest of the site is in the floodplain. So, that whole lower southwest
corner is untouchable, more or less, for any development. Here is an existing photo
looking on Linder looking north of the existing curb cut, which we are proposing to utilize.
This is the connection from the Creason Lateral to the -- let me step back to here also.
That's the Creason Lateral on the southwest corner and, then, you also have the Five
Mile Drain that goes roughly parallel with Linder. So, there is a lot happening in that
southwest corner. This is an image of that Creason Lateral. So, this is looking south,
southeast. This is the Five Mile Drain culvert looking west. Northwest. Again, the single
family in the distance. This is looking southeast. This is North Zion, the existing road,
and the existing single family. You can see the eastern single family to the right. This is
how the road currently dead ends into the property. Again, see those single family of
mostly two story on the east side. Here is that neighborhood that is on the -- through
West Pebblestone and North Zion. And this is the West Pebblestone Road that dead
ends into the property on the east end. Here is the existing single family, which would be
adjacent to that plaza that was shown moments ago and you can see the height
differentiation there where the site is actually lower than the existing single family, which
we will get into a little more and, then, this is looking at -- standing on Ustick looking west
at that single family. So, as Joe mentioned, mixed use community, proposing three
different sites of the commercial on the northwest and, then, next mixed -- or the multi-
family on the northeast and single family in the majority of the site. A lot of the -- the
constraints that we were working with, one is access. So, we were --we had to use utilize
the existing curb cuts along Ustick and Linder to meet ACHD requirements. Another
requirement of ACHD, as Joe mentioned, was the public road. So, they wanted us to
connect West Pebblestone and North Zion, so that was a requirement that we needed to
meet, which we do in this. And the overall spirit of the project, you know, was how can
we have front porches, how can we have eyes on the street, how can we, you know, have
a community that isn't -- it's little car centric as we can make it, have a building that faces
the patios and decks face off of Linder, not garages, and, you know, make it an overall
benefit and positive impact on the community. The red dash that kind of goes on the
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south border and, then, up to the northwest, that's the purposed easement for the Kellogg
Drain, which intersects with the floodway. So, that's one way we were able to, you know,
utilize the site a little bit better, getting some efficiency by overlapping those two uses,
which we have worked closely with Nampa-Meridian Irrigation District on to accomplish
that. On the commercial building, you know, you can see kind of in the center of the site
is our public plaza and this graphic kind of helps illustrate a little bit better on the pathways
and how those sites are interconnected. Here is that public road, just to illustrate what is
public and what is private, with the majority of the other road being -- all of the other roads
being private and so this just shows more clearly that pathway plan, the dog park in the
-- the lower left corner. And here is an open space exhibit to illustrate where open space
is on the site. So, we have fairly distributed open space throughout. It's -- it is the majority
-- the majority is concentrated in that southwest, but we do have, you know, the MEW that
runs through the center, as well as the plaza in the upper right northeast corner and in
this center, the main plaza for the commercial. As Joe mentioned, here is a parking plan
that illustrates where we -- we show parking or where we are providing parking. In the
commercial we are required to provide 24 stalls. We are providing 25. There is a 500
square foot per stall requirement. In the multi-family portion we are required to provide
33 and we are providing 35 and that includes surface parking, covered surface parking,
and three on-street stalls, which is on a private street there. And, then, in our single family
we are required 173 stalls and are providing 197 and in yellow is the guest parking or the
street surface parking, while all other units would have two car garages and two cars in
the driveway. So, ample parking throughout. And a rendered view, which Joe has shown
earlier. So, to kind of quickly go through the building design. The intent is for a bit of a
more modern anesthetic on the commercial and the multi-family to, then, contrast with
the more traditional look of the neighborhood of the single family residential. Materials
would be metal -- metal siding, concrete masonry unit, concrete wainscot and storefront
windows. This is the larger of the commercial buildings on the corner and, then, this
would be a more satellite commercial, which we anticipate, you know, an ice cream parlor,
could be a tap room, could be, you know, any use that's going to activate that plaza and
kind of bring the community together a little bit more. There is a view of on the right of
those two commercial buildings. This is looking south on -- standing above Ustick and,
then, here is a view of that commercial space adjacent to that plaza with that public art
feature, in which we see as a space that will come -- become very activated and, you
know, people will -- businesses will want to setup a location here. The multi-family
building, it was revised to be, as Joe mentioned, nine units per building, three stories per
plat and three stories high, with one -- a single car garage in the middle there, it would be
two, three and one bedrooms, with the middle unit being a one bedroom. In order to help
-- when we brought the height down, you know, to accommodate not only just the general
massing, but the existing single family to the east, we also pitched down the -- the patios
-- patio roof to kind of reduce that height as much as possible and add a little bit more
articulation along Ustick. Here is an exhibit that shows those setbacks a little more clearly.
So, we are 44 feet to the building wall. We do have a stair tower that's roughly eight to
nine feet coming out of that. So, there is a -- you know, we are roughly, you know, 30 --
34 feet, 35 feet away from the property line to this stair tower -- stair tower, which, again,
has no windows, is a small portion of that overall elevation. In looking at the -- the building
heights and the grade heights, the existing single families at a 25/75 grade elevation, our
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site pad is a 25/72. So, we are already dropped three feet below the existing single family,
which helps further reduce that scale. Here is that same image you saw moments ago,
the plaza, which is -- you know, provides a nice amenity space, welcoming entry into the
site in a non -- in the -- not the main entrance, but, you know, a satellite pedestrian amenity
for the residents. This is a view looking west, if you are heading down West Pebblestone,
with the multi-family on your right and, then, one of the concerns --this is if you are coming
in off of Ustick and heading into the site, looking west. There was a concern that people
are going to mistakenly go through this drive aisle and try to get to the commercial,
because we originally had it open. So, we -- since our -- our first Planning and Zoning
meeting we have blocked that off with landscape, as well as added signs that say resident
only, you know, no through traffic. That's that entrance. This is looking north of Ustick
coming south. This is Building B, the five unit townhome building, adjacent to -- on the
west end overlooking Linder. Materials on this would be shake siding, board and batten,
wood panel siding, a bit more of a traditional look. Asphalt shingle roofing. Stepping
down to single story garages on the -- the west side or the east side of the building and
there is a view of that. That's that ten foot path that connects that you can see goes up
towards north on Linder and, then, adjacent to the tot lot on the left there is that Building
B. We have one three unit building, which previously was two stories and now is -- or
was three stories, now it's two stories. Similar design concepts similar materials as
Building B and is located to the northeast of the dog park. You can see that in the right-
hand corner there. So, that kind of steps back to get an overall view of the dog park, the
floodway, the Kellogg Drain reroute and this is on the -- standing on the north -- southwest
corner looking northeast. The single family homes -- we wanted to have some variety
and differentiation to not have one home type throughout the whole community. Primarily
they are the same footprint and with the one revision on the garage side and the patio
side being a gable on the patio side in one version and a hip roof on the other and, then,
you flip it to invert that for a variety of -- or variation of aesthetics and so this is looking at
that MEW and kind of what that starts to look like when you put that all together with the
low four foot fence to encourage, you know, neighbor interaction, visibility, and foster that
community that we are trying to create here. And we do have the three single family
detached homes, which are two story, similar traditional style in the southeast corner.
This was the previous park of -- the dog park, which was a positive change and feedback
from Planning and Zoning of moving it to a larger area, so now this can be just an open
space for children to play or any -- any residential use. Similar to Building A in the -- all
the units along the east boundary we have the same three foot drop in grade differential
between what's currently existing and our proposed pads. Here you can see our
setbacks. To the wall we are 18 foot eight and three foot lower and we are about 19 foot
six high to the roof and our second story patios are 22 foot back. So, there is quite a --
we are well above and beyond the required setbacks. Here is a view of that looking west
of those eastern homes. I would also note that one thing that came up in our Planning
and Zoning hearing was the scale of these buildings and you can notice that while we are
providing two lots, the overall building mass is roughly equivalent to what's existing on
the larger single family homes. So, from a massing scale perspective we are aligned to
what's already been -- what's already existing. This is a view looking north. That would
be North Zion coming in, the public street on your right and a view looking east off of
Linder and a view looking south on Ustick. It's been a long design process on this project
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and we have gone through a lot of different iterations and versions and trying to find what's
going to really work with all these constraints. We feel that we have come to a solution
that meets the city's needs for housing, provides a connected mixed use community and
is going to be beneficial overall for the community and the City of Meridian. So, with that
I will stand for any questions.
Simison: Thank you. Council, questions for the applicant?
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Building A, if we could go back to the graphic that shows it next to the neighbors.
This is probably the area that I have the most heartburn. I read the minutes from Planning
and Zoning and I appreciate the changes that you made. Even at three stories it just
feels like this -- you know, as you quoted from our Comprehensive Plan and we are
supposed to be seamlessly integrated into the urban fabric. I'm not sure for me this is the
definition of an appropriate transition. You have a single family home 44 feet away from
a three story building. Did you guys consider some kind of modulation, for example,
perhaps making the part of the building that faces the neighbors a two story building and,
then, even increasing the height the further you get away from the neighbors, is that
something that you guys took a look at? Just help me understand, you know, kind of the
different -- the process you went through with kind of modifying this specific building.
Wheeler: Yeah. Originally the building was a four story building and up to that property
line -- and which we actually that neighbor came to our neighborhood meeting. He was
not -- I mean he wanted us to keep a willow tree there and wanted to make sure that we
were going to have enough landscaping to screen it and -- you know. So, he wasn't very
upset by it at four stories against his property. Then once we got the feedback from
Commission about dropping it, we kept it at four stories for the majority of the building
and dropped -- they were two story units before, so we -- and four high, so we lost the top
two -- or top one and so it would be a two story only. At our first Commission hearing that
was deemed not enough to -- you know, for the overall mass and scale, so we reduced
it. We just omitted it completely, added the pedestrian amenity, and went to the whole
building been three stories. So, we have gone -- yeah. We have -- we have done that
exact process and -- and this is where we have aligned. I would say that, you know, with
a corner and with a site on a hard corner, if you will, I mean I think that there is a -- there
is a level of density and a level -- of density that I think is appropriate for a site in this
location and how do you seamlessly tie into that? I mean I guess that's always the
challenge. But we can certainly look at that as far as stepping that there if needed. In
my opinion I think that a three story building, 44 feet away, does provide -- and not to
mention three foot lower than the existing subgrade -- or the existing surface of the single
family pad. So, it is quite a substantial setback.
Strader: Mr. Mayor, if I could follow up, I have just got a couple quick ones to knock out.
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Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Thank you so much. I appreciate that explanation. You know, still at 40 feet I
totally get it that there is a -- there is a different grade, but this is still pretty high next to
single family residential. That's my struggle. So, I just -- the first thing. And, then, the
second thing is in line with Council Woman Perreault, we are losing more and more
commercial in the city relative to residential and that -- that is an overall concern of mine.
For the smaller amount of commercial that you do have, have some ideas being thrown
out there, what stage are you at in terms of that coming to fruition? One thing I always
worry about is approving a mixed use development. Of course, the residential will come,
but when will the commercial come? So, I was hoping you had an update on your timeline
there.
Wheeler: As far as what use is specifically going to happen there? We don't have a
specific user yet, but the intent is that -- we did provide a drive through access on that
larger parcel, the 9,000 square foot commercial building, so whether that be a -- most
likely a bank is what we anticipate could be a use there, which would be a complimentary
use next to the traditional -- or to the neighborhood, but we are very open. We know that
there is going to be a CUP process to get that approved anyways and right now we don't
have an end user in mind, but --
Strader: Okay. I just have one more.
Wheeler: If I could just touch on your point before about the -- the lack of commercial.
There is also that balance of providing enough housing to support that commercial and I
think that there is a lot of hesitancy in the marketplace to build too much commercial. So,
I think from a market factor -- market driving factor, who is going to shop at those
commercial locations and providing parking for those when you can provide a denser
housing type that's going to provide more users per square foot of land.
Strader: Thank you. Yeah. Just to comment on that and everyone's got a different
philosophy, but from my seat, looking at the future of the city, that's a timing question and
we have our whole future to get it right. So, I don't feel -- I don't feel that we need to be
in a rush in terms of -- you know, I want us to move appropriately to have the right
development that we need. I guess just one more -- maybe if you could -- I do actually
want to say -- compliment you. I appreciate the pedestrian oriented development. I can
tell that you guys put a lot of thought into that. You don't have to comment on this, but if
you wouldn't mind commenting a little more on price point. Did this serve a specific need
in terms of more -- kind of affordable -- more affordable or middle of the road housing
here? How does this kind of position within the market?
Wheeler: I don't have any specifics on that, but I would say -- I mean we don't currently
have any affordable funding or, you know, it's not a -- we are not proposing an affordable
housing project, but certainly want to provide housing that's going to be -- provide housing
that -- for two people who can afford it and the end of the day I mean somebody's got to
live in these homes and we are reaching a point now where, you know, at what point does
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the market say no. So, I don't have a specific answer for that.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: I have three or four questions as well, if I might ask those in succession?
Simison: Go for it.
Perreault: Okay. Thank you. Somewhat similar along the lines of Council Woman
Strader. As far as the commercial goes, I know that the commercial -- mostly industry
tracks rooftops and we have a lot of approvals coming into the area and it creates traffic
challenges to spread the commercial out so far from each other and so, therefore, these
mixed use neighborhoods -- mixed use neighborhood areas are just really critical and I
don't have a problem with approving a plan that leaves blank space sitting waiting for
commercial to come after rooftops are finally built. I don't have an issue with that. I would
rather have that space dedicated. I realize the developers don't -- you know, they don't
want that land sitting there and not being utilized, but this is just an opportunity for us to
make sure that we have the appropriate ratios and we are not currently in Meridian in --
in my opinion we are not -- we are not right on ratios yet. So -- so, questions about the
-- the commercial buildings themselves. The -- the mixed use community says that there
is not supposed to be a strip mall type of feel. So, is this going to be like one building that
has three for tenants in it? Individual buildings that are one -- kind of give us an idea of
what you envision that looking like. Is there going to be five businesses in there or two
businesses in there and, you know, how much of that is expected to kind of come from
people or riding their bikes or is there intended to be a lot of traffic coming in from -- you
know, within two or three square miles? That's the first question.
Wheeler: Yeah. I thought you are going to keep going on the other ones. Yeah. So,
appreciate the question. The current square footage on those buildings is 9,000 square
foot in the northwest corner, the larger one, and 3,000 square foot in the lower. More than
likely the lower would be its own user adjacent to that plaza, which I think would provide
a lot of information, you know, with that being a center gathering point and, again, that
could be an ice cream parlor, a burger -- burger place. It could be multiple different uses,
but something a little bit more aligned in that nature. It possibly could go to 1 ,500 square
foot uses, but more than likely I would anticipate a one 3,000 square feet user. For the
9,000 square foot building, we do provide double loaded drive-through on that. We vision
that being either a --you know, two 4,500 square foot users or possibly three 3,000 square
foot users. So, there could be a potential of four to maybe five businesses on that
commercial corner. There is a chance that a larger user would want to use the single
9,000 square feet. It's a little hard to tell right now, though, on what -- what's going to
actually happen there. But as I mentioned with the CUP and revising it, you know, to the
needs of an end user of what that might -- you know, how we need to adapt that based
on -- on those needs, based on the approval than what's -- you know, the constraints that
we would have at that point. So, that is anticipated that there would be some adjustments
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that may -- may need to be made.
Perreault: Okay. So -- and understand that. And, then, there was a member of the public
that was talking at the Commission meeting about, you know, whether it would be one
owner, you know, who is -- is this going to be sold off? It's not uncommon for -- for these
developments to have those commercial pieces that are sold off to separate owners. That
being said, how will the associations integrate -- the homeowners association -- are you
going to have a separate business association for those two buildings from an HOA that's
being managed -- so, in terms of ownership are -- are the -- is the multi-family going to be
condominiumized? Is that going to be like its own individual investor and, then, the -- the
five units on the west will have its own ownership and, then, the homes are going to be
sold or rented or help us kind of understand like how many different owners do you have
and how are they integrating with one another when it comes to landscaping management
and private road management and that kind of thing, because it seems like it could get
really split up.
Wheeler: Yeah. Certainly. The --from private road and landscape management, I mean
that would be in a private road agreement between the -- the properties and a cross-
access agreement, as well as the landscape portion of that. They are parceling that as
separate sites right now, so we -- we do not know if the same user or buyer, builder, will
come in and build everything -- one -- one of the buildings, you know, the townhomes and
the multi-family or also the commercial. So, right now it is -- I don't have a direct answer
on who is going to own those or how, but certainly there is mechanisms that we can put
in place to -- to maintain the integrity of the -- the integration of all three of the sites.
Perreault: So, at this point you don't have even like -- you don't have a buyer for -- or a
builder or anything setup to know whether this is going to be four, five, six different owners
on the site and whether it will integrate well with managing the site as a whole. It's just
like the -- you know, usually there is some more space between commercial and
residential where they are not right up next to each other and right -- or have some more
integration with -- with this same ownership -- you know, I'm just -- I'm very concerned
that it's all going to be managed and eventually start to look like -- not like a -- you know,
integrated project anymore, that it will just be managed in a way that will seem really
divided I guess.
Wheeler: And maybe you could help me understand a specific concern of how that
division might take place. You know, it -- from my understanding, you know, if somebody
is using -- operating the commercial space -- and to answer your question on the
townhomes, more than likely those would be for sale, not for rent. So, if you have
homeowners there that, you know, want to utilize the commercial plaza, for instance, and,
you know, be patrons of that business, I don't think that the business would have any
problems with that and so help me understand kind of your specific concerns on what you
see as -- as issues there.
Perreault: Right. So, if I'm a homeowner in that and the commercial or the multi-family
investors are not -- are not maintaining those, it's going to affect my property value. So,
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the more owners and investors that you have that are maintaining things at different
quality levels, the more challenging you -- is usually trading the market for value -- for all
the parties.
Wheeler: Specifically to this landscape and trash pickup, that type of --
Perreault: Structure or trash pick up -- anything that would consider, you know, utilizing
a -- you had a significant amount of grass in that greenspace; right? It could be kept very
well and look really beautiful or it could look really terrible. It's -- you know, homeowners
-- homeowners associations that are just individual neighbors, if you have some of-- you
know, the feel -- the HOA that are -- that have the owners and, then, over here on the --
on the west side you have got five townhomes that aren't owners, they are -- they may
have different priorities as to how all this green space is going to be maintained, because
some -- some are invested in different -- in a different way. So, like that park could be
managed very differently if it's being managed by a group of homeowners and it's being
managed by an investment group that owns an apartment complex. But, yeah, they are
all supposed to be utilizing them and it's supposed to add value to each property.
Wheeler: Yeah. And we do plan on having an HOA agreement, you know, on the property
and how that ties in between each -- for the single family, the multi-family and the
commercial is yet to be fully determined, but we are -- we are more than happy to, you
know, coordinate however we need to -- to ensure that that does maintain the best
appearance as possible or as -- as designed.
Perreault: Thank you. I appreciate that. I do have a lot of kids -- I mean as far as like
what the conditions are that the city puts on it, I don't -- I don't know and that would be a
question for staff or for Legal about how we can condition that -- or if we can condition
that from a management standpoint, but that has me pretty -- pretty concerned about just
how that will function as a whole, so -- and, then, the third question I have is regarding
the -- the amenities for the multi-family. So, I realize you guys have -- have geographic
limitations on this with the laterals and that you have done a really fantastic job I think
with the open space and the green space and there is just a lot of things about how you
designed it that I really like, but there is a couple of things that have me concerned and
that is that the multi -- the multi-family to the north, it feels like it's really kind of lacking in
amenities actually. So, maybe I'm just not getting a good vision. And prior to having --
adding in extra space up here in the northeast corner, there -- there was only just the one
lot that's faced with a piece of public art down here in the commercial area and there was
pretty much no amenities for that multi-family up on the north side. So, it -- can you help
me understand like how -- what -- I mean I don't know. I feel like kind of a piece of public
art is not really a good -- a good amenity for -- to -- I mean what does it do, you know?
mean like -- this is multi-family. I feel like there should be something more functional, so
maybe I'm just in missing the vision for it.
Wheeler: Yeah. Thanks for the question. I think that one of the main reasons is we view
this as, you know, mixed use community where we weren't trying to -- intending to put site
amenities at each site for that amenity. You know, the nature of-- and spirit of mixed use
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being that those multi-family users have adequate walking paths to that plaza and also
through the MEW, to the dog park, to the open space and can integrate into that
community, so -- so, that was going to -- one part of that is that answer. The other is just
being strictly limited by, you know, the site constraints of what we are -- what we were
required to do here with the three different uses with the access points coming in and the
southwest corner of losing a lot of that land. So, between those two you are not wrong,
they--there are very few amenity spaces, other than the --the new plaza in the northeast
and -- but that -- but you are directly adjacent, you know, to the -- the current plaza with
the public art. But there are not -- we don't have a fitness facility or, you know, anything
of that nature in that multi-family. So, yes, there are a few amenities on Site B, but they
are very close and integrated with all the other amenities, which we are providing above
and beyond what we are required.
Perreault: Yeah. Yes, you are. No, I'm not -- I'm just -- I'm wanting to try to see, I guess,
a better balance in the project as a whole and I understand constraints that come with it,
I just think it will be nice to have some green space and picnic space and something that's
-- that's outdoor space and utilize that north side that creates a little more balance for that,
because, obviously, the -- the townhome users will have their own backyards; right? And
-- and, then, they will have this big park, but on the north side there is -- there is not
anywhere to -- that's really dedicated. It doesn't -- it feels like it's kind of an afterthought.
So, just one more quick question for you and -- can you help me understand how the
residential was going to be buffered from the commercial? There is just a little drive --
drive aisle, but like is there going to be -- and, you know, all the renderings that we see
always have these big gorgeous trees in them and when they are planted they are like
four foot tall and have no leaves. So, it takes ten years to make it look like what the
pictures show. So, what kind of -- you know, normally when we have commercial to
residential buffering there is a 25 foot buffer. So, what -- I mean just help me understand
are you going to have like a wall in between the commercial? Is it -- what's that going to
look like to kind of differentiate -- hey, this is a residential area that's private now and this
isn't somewhere that we want people kind of going and driving around from the
commercial.
Wheeler: Yeah. Great question. The smaller 3,000 square foot commercial, the back of
that on the south side, that whole strip is heavily landscaped and I understand the concern
of -- of trees not reaching maturity after some years. You know, we could certainly up
that, you know, from a vertical height perspective of the type of landscape that goes in
there. We weren't intending there to be a wall, again, back to the spirit of mixed use
community, you know, walls that aren't private backyard is -- probably don't fit into that
category and in our understanding. We certainly would look at putting up a wall if that
was something that -- that Council deemed appropriate, but I think a good solution to that
would be to condition the project of having a certain height of landscaping or some type
of-- specify the landscaping or density of landscaping on that south side. I feel like that's
kind of the main area that you are talking about; right? That needs that buffering. So,
yeah, I would answer it that way, that we would want to -- the intent is to add landscaping
there to buffer it, but we can certainly increase that as best we are able.
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Perreault: Thank you. That might be a question for staff. I know -- I mean, you know,
they are just going to say what -- what is required by code. I don't know how we as
Council would kind of say what the appropriate amount would be, but I just -- we do have
areas of the city where there is commercial that backs up to residential and we have taken
great care to make sure that there is some sort of sound buffering and, you know, we
don't know what hours that this is going to function at. I mean, you know, an ice cream
parlor might be open until 9:00 p.m. So, we want to take those things into account.
Wheeler: Understood.
Dodson: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Yes, Joe.
Dodson: Thank you. Great question, Council Woman Perreault, and to be honest staff
kind of saw it a little bit more aligned with the applicant of kind of wanting the integration
and even amenable -- currently it doesn't meet code, because the setback is supposed
to be 25 feet landscaped, not necessarily a drive aisle. So, staff was -- is amenable to
having that reduced per what is shown, because the physical separation will be greater
than the 25 feet -- it looks like it's going to be at least 30 feet in most cases, if not more,
with some landscaping. If Council feels differently that is definitely your purview, you can
include an additional condition of approval that just says denser landscaping and/or meet
that minimum 25 feet. With just landscaping that's probably going to require some other
modifications for the site, but it is what it is. It can be accommodated, yes. But staff did
see it a little bit more as an opportunity for the integration. You know, from a personal
standpoint I lived in an apartment with no green space between the back of a commercial
building and it was really just random people in my apartment complex, that was way
more annoying than the commercial. So, it just -- it can go either way.
Perreault: So, is there any consideration made of moving that 3,000 square foot building
up to the north and, then, just having all parking in that section and adding more --
Wheeler: Yeah. I mean we did look at several different design options. We went through
so many of them I can't remember if it was that specific one. I think we also wanted to --
there is a requirement of 50 percent of the site or a building frontage, you know, being
along -- along the site. What we were attempting to do was to, you know, put the building
on the hard corner for visibility and screen some of the parking from --from view from that
main intersection, but also let users see that there is parking there. So, they know, you
know, what they are going into it or, you know, I think that most users like to know that
they can see where they are going to park before they pull into a -- a development or
entry into someplace. So, it was a balance of those two that we were trying to find and
another driver to that was our drive though. You know, since COVID, you know, it's a big
demand to have a drive-through and it opens up various, you know, different users and a
wider branch of potential users. So, that was also a driver for why that's open, because
that becomes that circulation path for that. And, then, thirdly, having the commercial
adjacent to the public plaza, put the public plaza a little more central or as central as we
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can make it to help aid in the -- in the use of that commercial space. So, we could certainly
look at that, but those were the reasoning -- the reasons behind how we got here.
Simison: Council, any additional questions for the applicant? Okay. Thank you very
much.
Wheeler: Thank you.
Simison: We are going to go ahead and take a 15 minute recess and so we will reconvene
at 7:50.
(Recess: 7:34 p.m. to 7:51 p.m.)
Simison: All right. We will go ahead and come back from recess and, Mr. Clerk, we will
move into public testimony. Do we have anyone signed up in advance?
Johnson: Mr. Mayor, we do. We have two people signed up in advance. Carissa Sindon.
Simison: When your name is called if you would come forward and state your name and
address for the record and be recognized for three minutes.
Sindon: Hello. I'm Carissa Sindon. 914 North 8th Street in Boise. I have an interest in
this property, because I grew up on it. I'm 43. 1 lived there from the time I was a baby
until I was 20 years old. So, I spent half my life on that property and as you can tell I'm a
native and I support this property because I think it's -- or this development because I
think it's a good development. I like the dog park. We need housing. And the public art
element is also good I think. And as a native you can imagine I have seen it change a lot
here and that especially right now there is a housing crisis and we need housing, so it
can become more affordable for everybody, but I just want to tell you a little bit about the
history of the property and it looked very different when I was a child and I just want to tell
you our perspective and that I know a lot of the neighbors are concerned about the traffic,
losing their views, their quality of life. I have sat in on both public hearings at the P&Z
level, so I know what their concerns are and I just wanted to share that those have been
our concerns for over 20 years. My parents left the property 15 years ago. They have
moved. They would still live there today if they could, but they can't, because it's not the
same property that it was. When I was a child in the '80s that was a two way stop. Two
stop signs. Now there are lights there. I think it's four lanes, at least on one -- I think it's
all the way around. We used to have a barn on the east side of it -- you know, on the
west side. We had a huge barn. I had 4H goats. I was in 4H. It was really a rural lifestyle
for us and the barn is no longer there, so it's really not the same property anymore and
was out there last week and the property -- or are the south -- I remember looking at the
south and the east -- even like three years ago those houses weren't there. So, what was
there before these houses were there? They were our views. They were open farmland.
And I think it's unreasonable to think that this property would not be developed, because
that's what's happening out there and the property is unrecognizable. Like I would get
teary eyed looking even the pictures up there, but I was out there and it's just like that's
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not our home anymore. So, I think that it does need to be developed and -- yeah. So,
just want to support the development and just give you the perspective of somebody who
grew up there and that it's -- Meridian is a different place now and, yeah, you are going
to lose your views. We lost our views. My dad used to be able to see Squaw Butte to the
north. Can't see it no more. And so, yeah, it was a farm. It's no longer a farm and that's
the end, but thank you for listening to this. Hopefully this will help move the approval that
have gone through the same thing that my family has gone through.
Simison: Thank you, Carissa. Council, questions? Okay.
Johnson: Mr. Mayor, next is Jim Petersen.
Simison: Is Mr. Petersen here?
Johnson: There were two other people signed in, but they didn't say they wanted to testify.
Simison: Well, if there is anybody here that would like to provide testimony, please, come
forward at this time to do so and if there is anybody -- do we have anybody online --
Johnson: We do not.
Simison: We don't have anybody online, so just anybody here if you -- state your name
and address for the record.
Shanaberger: Good evening, Council Members. My name is Matt Shanaberger. I live at
3072 Northwest 13th Street in Creason Creek. Appreciate you all having this meeting
tonight and allowing me to speak. So, we have lived in Creason Creek for about three
and a half years. Our house was the first house on 13th Street that was fully constructed
and move-in-able. It's my wife, 1, and our five year old son. I have lived in Meridian for
ten years now. The first six and a half years I lived in Red Feather, which is just north of
Kleiner Park. When I first moved in to that house Kleiner and The Village weren't built
yet. About two years in that's when all that went up and we saw the traffic through our
neighborhood go up quite a bit. I realized that Kleiner and The Village are quite bigger
than this proposal, but what I really worry about is the commercial aspect with it being
integrated into the residential. I could see it being fully developed as commercial and
being blocked off from the rest of the neighborhood and only having access from the two
points on Ustick and Linder, but with that road that goes east to west just south of Ustick
-- I understand they have put in some scenery that would stop traffic theoretically from
entering that, but I have seen human nature, I have seen it when people see the shortest
path to get there and they are turning left from Ustick onto 13th Street to get into there,
they are very likely going to go -- go right through. So, while it is unfortunate that residents
often complain about commercial being in residential, I think there is a way to do that
properly without integrating it into the residential. Ultimately I would love to see it be
single detached family homes. I'm fine with it being townhomes. I just really worry about
the commercial aspect of it. Thank you all for your time.
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Simison: Thank you. Council, any questions? Is there anybody else that would like to
provide testimony on this item? Come forward. State your name and address for the
record and be recognized for three minutes.
Bitler: Hello. My name is Caryn Bitler. I reside at 3055 Northwest 13th Street in the
Creason Creek Subdivision on the eastern side of the proposed Lennon Pointe
Community. My concerns and suggestions are as follows: Instead of having townhomes
for the eastern side of the development, we suggest single family detached or patio
homes, which Commissioners Cassinelli and Yearsley suggested on the December 2nd
meeting. Therefore, this would alleviate density and I would like you to commit to ten to
12 foot mature trees, thereby, these foliage will upgrade existing fences, it would reduce
noise and also protect our privacy. Mixed use will increase traffic, more congestion,
pollution and crime. We suggest that you limit the residential portion to detached family
single homes and patio homes for the entire development, thereby increasing our home
values. Initially the builder purchased the entire 80 acres and it's been revealed that the
developer decided to sell the commercial portion, thereby, bringing to our attention their
lack of confidence to fulfill the commercial portion of their initial contract with the City of
Meridian and, thus, showing us their ineptness to find suitable commercial businesses
and abandoning their commitment. This leads to the question will it stay vacant? Will it
be a mixed use? Will it be changed to residential? Will it be single family detached homes
that would add value to the area? The mixed use community is on the northeast corner
of Linder and Ustick. It's being built, as well as several townhomes being built presently
on Ustick, which is less than a mile away. The proposed Lennon Pointe Community is
being built in a flood zone, as evidenced by the map provided by Jason Korn from the
city's Public Works Department. All homes built on farmland already have a high water
table, even though geotech gave their authorization to build, Creason Creek had geotech
authorization to build and on -- we are not in a floodplain. It's evidenced in that map and
still we had flooding in our crawl spaces. Our neighbor had to remedy this and it cost
them several thousand dollars and these neighbors are to the north of us and had worse
flooding. Just because geotech did approve the go ahead should not make it truly a go
ahead. Coupled with the proposed development being in a flood zone and an extreme
flood zone can make it architecturally worse to build there ultimately. Also, the proposed
pipe -- the proposal to pipe the Kellogg Drain doesn't seem to be effective, since water
has to go somewhere. Leaving it undisturbed can be the best course of action. It's my
understanding that there is a current Meridian historical council in place. Unfortunately,
there are no regulations or codes how to treat the historical locations as -- as 1515 Ustick,
the barn, and the Creason Creek Lateral and there is things in the Idaho historical sites
inventory, which was prepared by the Meridian historical tag and they do stuff in Boise,
but they don't anything here. We have it set up, but nothing is done. So, what I am
asking, in summary, is for your consideration to re-think building the Lennon Pointe on
existing farmland in various flood zones, while manipulating existing drains, as well as
consideration for the historical preservation of the Creason Creek northwest lateral. If
you feel the need to proceed, please, consider the existing homes to the east and build
single-family and detached or patio homes with large mature trees that won't uproot our
existing fences. We ask you to take the best course of action in order to have the least
impact in our community, the generation, and those that follow. Thank you.
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Simison: Thank you. Council, any questions? Okay. Is there anybody else that would
like to provide testimony on this -- on this item? Then I will ask the applicant to come
forward to close out this public hearing.
Wheeler: So, I will start with -- I will get to the concerns and the testimony in a moment.
To touch on the HOA and that conversation, you know, in talking with our client, who is
the builder on the project, the intent there would be to build those townhomes and, then,
sell them individually, as well as build and hold the multi-family all under one HOA and
having the commercial under that HOA and, then, a sub HOA for the commercial and the
multi-family, since they would be -- the multi-family in the townhome HOA would be two
different, you know, verbiage to accommodate those. So, that would preserve the integrity
of the landscape and the cleanliness of the site. So, I wanted to touch on that. Also to
address the pavers on the south side and the screening -- or providing pavers on that
south road would be one mitigation measure that we intend to do. We do need to provide
some on-site storm drain mitigation anyway, so that would help to, you know, beautify that
space a little bit better, as well as providing denser landscape and the -- and, then, on
Building A, with the intensity of that facing the existing single family, that -- that is a whole
side of the home. Joe, do I have that presentation up? And I will pull up that photo really
quick here, but there -- I don't even know if there are any windows on that side and it's
the side yard of a house, so it's not as if that's their front living room that's facing -- yeah.
So, you can see here I don't believe there are any windows that are even above that fence
on that home there. So, it is a side yard and so it's very little intrusion. Now to touch on
the -- the testimonial issues, in looking at commercial and blocking off West Yellowstone
-- or West Pebblestone, that was actually our original plan. You know, when I was laying
this out, you know, why would we want to encourage traffic to flow from our site into the
adjacent single family. ACHD came back and made it a requirement that we connect
North Zion and West Pebblestone. So, that's the driving factor there. We also had the
same concern about too much commercial in wanting to not go from the single family to
a commercial use, but a single family to a multi, to a commercial, and having that be a
more smooth transition throughout. As far as the single family detached homes along the
east, as -- as I mentioned previously, we are roughly the same scale, even though we are
two lots, we are two smaller lots in an R-15 zoning of, you know, a little over 2,000 square
foot lots. So, from a massing perspective we are not a massive intrusion. That's very
different in like kind to what's existing -- existing on the eastern homes. We do show trees
on the landscape plan and we can certainly add more if -- if that -- they are a little difficult
to see here, but you can certainly see on the east there several trees. If we positioned at
those patio decks for the level two to provide as best screening as we could -- again, back
to the HOA comment that could be incorporated there to ensure that those are maintained
and in proper order. The flood zone -- we are confident that we are not -- we don't have
concerns over building this project with the -- in the floodplain. It will be lifted to one foot
above the base flood elevation and, you know, certainly we are doing our homework to
make sure that we don't build something that is going to be an issue in the -- in the future.
So, we are confident that that's not going to be an issue. The Kellogg Drain and the
piping, that was sized and we spent a significant amount of time to -- to make sure and
get that right of sizing it appropriately to accommodate what was already there, as well
as oversizing it to make sure we can handle any of the water shed that comes through
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there and it's going to be cleaner. I mean right now it's open air, anything can go in there
and -- but by piping it underground that's going to provide a cleaner way for that water to
to pass downstream to the Five Mile Creek and we are path -- we are wrapping it to its
current discharge point, so we are not interrupting how it discharges into the Five Mile
Drain. And as far as the Creason Creek is concerned and, you know, keeping that clean,
it's difficult to see on this --this image, but we do show a fence, the -- so, Nampa-Meridian
Irrigation District wants us to fence that off. We are doing that by just extending the dog
fence across, so it will -- it will seem more integrated and that solves both of those issues
that we worked out with them. So, that's how we are addressing that issue and their
liability concerns. So, as you can see there has been -- there is a lot of moving parts on
this project. There are no simple clean cut answers. We have done our best attempt to
design something that -- that we can stand behind, that we think the community would
enjoy, that the City of Meridian would -- would benefit from and, you know, we would like
to see more communities like this get built, even though I think one of the reasons they
don't is because it's difficult to do a higher level design to go through two years of design
and -- and deal with several constraints. Again, this site sat there for a long time. I know
other people that had it under contract and, then, they let it go and it was because they
just didn't want to tackle the issues and, ultimately, we showed up and we asked the
landowner, hey, we will take a look at this and take a run at it and so that's how we got to
this point here today. So, it was kind of taking a risk to solve a problem that wasn't being
solved and that will bring more housing and -- and a good community for the City of
Meridian. So, stand for any questions.
Simison: Thank you, Andrew.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Mr. Wheeler, just a question. As you develop this and -- and work through
designs and whatnot, was there any thought of where the multi-family is of putting
townhomes in there and, then, moving multi-family to where the townhome is currently
located?
Wheeler: Yeah. We -- we actually went through several different -- or first it started as a
three-story walk-up plan, which we got rejected real quick. Ultimately, it was -- as I think
Joe mentioned, you know, putting the highest density uses along the -- the arterial streets
and that -- that kind of just became the driver at that point, you know, to -- to try to get it
away as far as possible from the -- the townhomes -- or the existing townhomes on the
east and -- and, then, as having to route that public road in and trying to -- how do we
delineate the -- you know, the different uses and the different sites, it's sort of -- the Tetris
of it started kind of wanted to -- to go in this direction. But we -- we definitely looked at a
lot of different uses of where to put the multi-family. And, then, that's -- to kind of -- you
know, the Building B, while it's a single-family townhome, that's the one on the west
towards Linder, it has a multi-family feeling, you know, a scale and so even though it is a
townhome it kind of -- and, again, it's on that arterial street and -- and that more higher
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density use.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor, follow up.
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: So, if multi-family -- if this goes through and multi-family remains there, would
you be willing to do some enhanced landscaping, maybe a little taller trees to buffer from
that multi-family to the house to the east?
Wheeler: Certainly. Yeah. You know, I think that the plaza became -- we kind of settled
on providing an additional amenity there when we lost those units. We could -- we are
very flexible on what to look at there. I mean if we want to reduce that plaza a little bit or
maybe it becomes a smaller seating area and it is more of a landscaped area, rather than
a hardscape plaza and right now it's, you know, third landscape, two-thirds plaza. Maybe
that flip-flops and -- yeah, we are certainly open to figuring something out there.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: I was just thinking just taller trees, you know, that kind of give more screening.
And -- and to that effect, for the rest of the single family homes there on the east border,
I noticed you talked about the elevation and how those are a little bit lower than -- than
the homes that are already existing and, then, I noticed in your -- your -- your drawings
the fence was on your side, which had a six foot fence, but from their property that's only
going to be a four foot fence, three foot fence, and I -- I didn't -- I thought you mentioned
something. Do they have fencing in their yards currently right now?
Wheeler: They do. Yeah. And more than likely we would build -- build our own fence.
That detail has yet to be determined there. You can see here their vinyl fence on that
side and you can see on the left there, that's also a vinyl fence and so that's on the high
side of that three foot. So, from a line of sight, right, I mean that's even going to help
them more by having that up there to -- yeah, I can see your point of concern. But us not
being in control of the maintenance of that fence or -- you know. So, we could build our
own or, you know, have theirs. Either way.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor, just a --
Simison- Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: On that thought -- yeah, I thought -- I didn't know if you were going to build a
new fence and just put it on yours and tear theirs down, but if they have their fence and
it's at six foot, then, that takes care of that issue, so --
Wheeler: Yeah.
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Simison: Since we have an odd number of Council Members and I'm not going to factor
in tonight's equation one way or the other, I at least want to make a comment. You know,
I was on the -- part of the group that went through the comp plan and -- and looked at
these issues. Looking at the -- the development before us, I got to ask the question, do
we -- is our comp plan right for this corner? You know, the access issues, the limitations
that are there -- a similar conversation came up in another application where we --we are
routing commercial by residential. Maybe that's a personal pet peeve, you know, in some
regards where that can become the only de facto way, but is this commercial -- is this
corner zoned appropriately with the access issues that are there, the connections to
adjacent residential and regardless of whether or not there is a policy at ACHD that says
that that should remain a full access on Linder, I think we know good well that it's not
going to function that way, even if it is allowed to be left that way. It's going -- the safety
aspects I think will someday over -- make it not that way, even if it's allowed to remain
open. So, I don't want to ask you to speak against your--your--your client's self-interest,
but if you had your design -- your desire would you be doing a mixed-use commercial on
this eight acres with all the challenges that you have or would you prefer to do something
residential only in this area?
Wheeler: I don't know if residential only would be the right choice. I mean a hard corner
on two arterial streets like that and pushing residential up to it. I think it is appropriate to
have a higher density that filters down to a lower density. Now, how -- however far that
distance happens or-- or short -- I know I personally wouldn't want to live in a -- in a -- up
on that corner, you know, in -- as a townhome or any use like that. You know, we initially
had higher density in general from apartments and that type of concept, which, again, the
city shot down pretty quick, not wanting more apartments. The kind of apartment fatigue
was the exact words that were used. So, I do think it's appropriate to have a higher
density use on that corner and the adjacent corner and, then, you -- I mean it's a tough
question, because you got to transition, too, you know, so how do you have the density,
but, then, not have a single family home on the corner to go to one extreme and then --
you know, I don't have a direct answer. I think if it was a different day, different world,
different site I mean maybe I could, you know, spend more time to think about it, but --
and I have spent two years thinking on this site, so I have a hard time maybe detaching
my mind from -- from that.
Simison: And I understand that. You were asked to design to a certain level because our
code says you have to do certain things and I guess what I'm -- the question I'm trying to
get around to is just because our code says it, does that mean that we are making the
right assumptions for this property and I -- I -- again, in my mind I'm sitting here just like
going through my-- my head about other hard corners that are two major arterials, where
we have commercial -- where we only have residential, you know, Franklin and Linder,
again, you have got an issue with a -- a drain or whatever you want to call it there. You
go to Cloverdale and Overland, again, you have got a canal issue, which is cutting off
those corners, which is making the access and it's pushing it back. So, I'm just asking
the question. Just because our comp plan says it's right, does that mean this
development is right or the comp plan is wrong and it should look differently and I think
that -- that's just something I'm throwing out there, because from my -- from where I sit I
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-- I say access to this area with the commercial, with the roads, I go to -- I personally
question it with what we are being -- how we are being asked to access this location with
commercial on one that is because it's across from another facility it shouldn't have that
access fully and, then, we would be, essentially, putting the right-in, right-outs only in this
facility and is that appropriate for any commercial. I don't know.
Wheeler: Yeah. And I would say that, you know, a higher density residential use would
be my first preference if -- if the commercial were to go away. You know, versus a
townhome -- extension of the townhomes or something of that -- that nature.
Simison: Council, any further questions?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Thank you. We recently have had conversations with applicants who have
come and said that, you know, properties have been sitting for a while and I'm assuming
this location it's mostly been a floodplain issue more than a desirability issue for
commercial space, but we have had a few areas in the -- in this -- on Ustick between Ten
Mile and Linder where there has been commercial in the comp plan for many many years
and nothing has gotten built there and out of, I assume, lack of demand. So, have you
-- I don't know what your team has done as far as generating interest in the commercial,
but is there concern that you won't be able to fill that commercial space, because of traffic
flow or desirability or -- and I just -- I -- I'm so blown away as fast as we are growing that
that would be a question that we have to ask, but if, you know, the patterns have really
changed how people shop and where and when and -- and whatnot with COVID, so
maybe -- you know, maybe we are looking at how -- we need to look at how things are
done differently.
Wheeler: Yeah. Thanks for the question. I think that -- it kind of goes back to when we
were having the discussion on multi-family versus commercial on that corner and how
much commercial is too much commercial and enough multi-family to support the
commercial. You know, that was a concern of will we build too much commercial if we do
a commercial along that whole strip where the multi-family site is now and, you know,
mitigating that concern by the -- the lower square footage of the two different 12,000
square foot total, but in two different buildings, which are really two different uses. I mean
you have the small, you know, mom and pop shop commercial, I will call it, against the
hard -- the hardscape, you know, plaza, which is a much different commercial user than
the -- the larger one. So, we have a bit of diversity in the marketplace and that larger one
with the drive-through with the ability to, you know, break it up into two or three different
commercial properties, you know, I think through those measures we have mitigated our
concern on being able to build that commercial space.
Simison: Council, any additional questions for the applicant? Okay.
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Wheeler: Thank you.
Simison: Thank you very much.
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: We are going to do some discussion before closing the public hearing. I will give
you my thoughts on -- on the application. So, I start with the comp plan. I respect the
process we went through to -- to gather the input, to create it, and, then, the discipline
and adherence to it, understanding it's not anything more than a very useful guide, it's not
a mandatory directive, but I think the mixed-use community application remains sound at
this, even though it has made it maybe more challenging to try to find something that can
be successful in this location. So, with the mixed use community in -- in prep for the
hearing and in hearing what we did in tonight's presentation and public input, that blend
of the C-C and the R-15 zoning remains appropriate in my mind. I think the -- the way
that the applicant has tried to address both and incorporate both into this fits what mixed
use community tries to encourage. I share some of the concerns of Council Members
that the commercial might take some time. I would probably respond to that, at least from
my perspective, that I'm patient. I think in time the commercial will be there. I think it will
be last and -- and I would discourage a rezone application from anybody who tries for that
corner, because as we try to look at what is the best long-term solution there are short-
term bumps along the road where a portion of a project might not develop as fast as
others. But I do -- I believe that that commercial component is important and will be
successful a long time -- long term. So, for those reasons I thought that the application
as presented was appropriate. I appreciate the adjustments made and it is a very
challenging parcel to make work for anybody, as history has shown. I thought the open
space and the pedestrian connectivity was also something that will make this very
successful and a very popular project. So, again, I guess the only concern I had was --
maybe not a concern, but an acknowledgement is that the commercial will take some
time. I trust that integration between the property to the east and this has been
addressed. I appreciate Councilman Hoaglun's comments with regards to landscaping.
Those details matter and the applicant's commitment to that helps ease that concern
somewhat. So, for those reasons I'm supportive of the applications as presented. I didn't
see any outstanding issues that remained unaddressed. Just appreciate the creative
solution on a difficult parcel.
Dodson: Mr. Mayor? Thank you.
Simison: Yes, Joe.
Dodson: I did just want to comment real quick, because it kind of come up along the east
boundary and landscaping. Those are going to be single family lots and if Council goes
the route of what some of the residents have asked about including landscaping along
that boundary, if it's not in a common lot it's incredibly difficult for staff to maintain that and
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to enforce it. So, we have really just tried not to do that, because we had this in Poiema,
I believe, the same thing of how do you enforce trees on private property. As soon as the
owner comes in they can cut it down and we have no idea and that's what it is. So, I just
wanted to reiterate that issue, if that is something that Council had previously been
thinking about.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor, Joe, I -- when I mentioned the enhanced landscaping was only for
the multi-family --
Dodson: The plaza.
Hoaglun: -- that was in the plaza. That was the only location I was --
Dodson: Right.
Hoaglun: -- interested in doing -- nowhere else along that, because, yeah, obviously,
that's very difficult to do, so -- and Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: I will just --just weigh in here. It's one of those things when you get the packet
and you open it up and see what's before you and I -- I was like you, a little bit surprised
that there is commercial here. How in the world is that going to work. The access to me
is just difficult, but, then, I think Councilman Borton raised an important point about we --
we follow the process. This is what we have here. We have to be patient with it, give it
time, make it work -- I think the applicant did a very good job in designing the site with the
constraints they had to work with and, then, making sure that modifications were made.
They heard from the residents -- you know, not everyone's happy, you never get a
hundred percent, but making changes, losing that unit off the end to provide more space,
doing some things that I think through the walkability and -- and making it a desirable
space, a place where people want to live and have a community and that's very important
as we -- as we grow. As pointed out, this is not the same Meridian we grew up in, so --
but having that sense of community in that area that you live and -- and -- and, hopefully,
there will be some -- some commercial down the road and -- and have it in that place, but
it -- I think it will be difficult, just because of the access points for -- for commercial. But
-- but to stay true to what we have and has been laid out and our goals, you know, people
-- the times when developers come before us and they want to change the density and
change the comp plan and people just scream and now we have it and what it's supposed
to be and now they want to change it again. It's just -- it's just interesting for us to go
through this process weekly to -- to see the different -- different back and forth and --
depending on what's -- what's being proposed, so I think overall it was -- it was well
designed. So, I appreciate the work that went into it.
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Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: I -- the commercial is important to me. I'm glad to see there is commercial here.
I think it's actually -- to me it's more neighborhood scaled commercial. It's not like a huge
looming, you know, Walmart or something. I mean this, hopefully, the way it could evolve
would be some uses that are complementary to the neighborhood and I like the
integration. I appreciate the pedestrian oriented design. At first when I looked at this I
really didn't think I would be supportive, but I appreciate all the changes that the applicant
made after the Planning and Zoning meeting and I think the process has really worked in
terms of improving this. I'm not loving the transition in the northeast corner against a
single family home, but I think the enhanced landscaping will help and it doesn't look like
that neighbor is directly looking out, you know, off the side of their house there, so I think
I can live with it. I wouldn't want to turn down a project over that detail. Overall I'm
supportive of it. I would echo the same comment, though, I -- at least I would be very --
very surprised if I would ever support a rezone of that commercial piece, just to put that
out there as well. I think we need to wait and let that happen. However long it takes. It
may take a while, but it will come and, hopefully, the right tenants that fit there will come
as well. Yeah. I think overall I'm supportive of it. Thank you.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Thank you. Really want to --to say thank you to the applicant for -- for sticking
out all this time trying to figure this out. This is a really tough piece, the geography and
the canals and it is -- it's a tough go. We have seen other properties like this sit for a
really long time that are -- that are great usable spaces in our city because folks don't
want to take them on and so we appreciate you going to all the hard work to try to figure
this out and to listen to the public and to continue to keep working on a project until there
is something that is really beneficial to Meridian. We know the incredible amount of work
that it takes to get to here and, then, risk, you know, potentially not receiving approval.
So, I am -- I -- I think the changes that were made from the Planning and Zoning
Commission until now are excellent. Thank you so much for making all those
considerations. It's pretty significant to lose an entire floor off of two buildings and to
restructure everything that way. My -- my only outlying concern is just that there would
be a better transition between the commercial and the residential on the south side of that
commercial building and I don't know how we -- and perhaps that's a question for Joe.
don't know how we actually add that into a requirement as far as -- I mean it's very random
to just say, hey, we want -- we want taller trees there. Like how do we -- how do we
condition that? I'm not necessarily saying that we need 25 feet of landscaping considering
the combination of the road and the landscaping that's there will be over 30 feet, but can
you help us figure out how to -- to condition that appropriately?
Dodson: Council -- or Mr. Mayor?
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Simison: Yes, Joe.
Dodson: Thank you. Council Woman Perreault, thank you. There is -- there is probably
a number of ways. I -- I think a general, you know, additional day provision, just -- just
state something to -- to the effect that the required buffer between the C-C and the R-15
zoning district should be at least X amount of feet with vegetation that touches at maturity.
That we have a lot of that language in code already and we have utilized that kind of a
provision previously. That in alignment with the drive aisle that's kind of proposed there
from a planning perspective I think offers a sufficient buffer between and -- and, further,
the -- the placement of that commercial building being where it is was partially driven by
staff as well. We specifically told the applicant that, hey, we wanted that, frankly, a
neighborhood serving use a little closer, so that people could walk. You know, you want
to activate that plaza. You want to have a kid's birthday there while you are hanging out
and getting ice cream, hopefully, or whatever. A burger and a beer and hang out.
Whatever it might be. That's what the focus was there. So, I don't want to push it so far
away or create such a barrier that it just completely walls it off and I know that's not your
intention either, but, you know, noise, as well and just to -- again, you can also limit the
hours of operation. Code does say because it's adjacent to residential it's going to be
6:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. So, it can't be 24 hours. If you want to limit it further that could
be another avenue to, quote, unquote, buffer the uses that would go there. At least you
could -- you could maybe make it specific to the -- the second site, you know, the -- the
-- the building pad closest to the residential and limit the hours on that building alone. You
do have flexibility in that DA provision.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor walked away. So, yes, I would like to -- I would like to limit that at
least to 9.00 p.m. I think is appropriate for that area. But as far as the -- what I had in
mind is it's just really densely landscaped -- more dense landscaping behind that building,
whether it's more trees and trees -- trees of maturity at the time of planting, not like trees
of maturity ten years from now. So, is there a way for us to condition that the trees need
to be mature at the time of planting, like the height of the building and, then, you know,
maybe -- maybe double the amount that would normally go in there or something to that
effect? I just -- I -- I don't want to -- I don't want it to be separated completely, but I also
want to respect the fact that, you know, the backside of commercial buildings can get kind
of ugly and I don't want that to be a value issue for the folks that live there.
Dodson: Council Woman Perreault, those are great points and you -- you can -- again,
we have some of that language in code, thankfully, already to have the vegetation that
touches. You can say at planting, instead of maturity, a hundred percent and because
the building -- to your very last point, because it faces residential, that has to meet pretty
much all of our design standards for commercial. They don't get out of anything. So, it
will not be an ugly building. They will have to do wall modulation, multiple field materials,
multiple roof variations, all of that. It can't just be a box and it certainly won't be an ugly
color.
Perreault: Thank you.
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Dodson: Absolutely. I would just note -- sorry, Mr. Mayor. If Council agrees on 9:00 p.m.,
that's fine, I -- maybe that point might be up for discussion. I don't know if 9:00 -- it seems
a little early, but I come from California, so, you know, 11 :00 p.m. seems early most times,
so, it -- it's frustrating when things close at 8:00 and 9:00 around here sometimes if you
want to eat late, but it can happen.
Simison: So, Council, I'm going to make another pitch observation for your consideration
that would require the applicant to come forward, but I'm really concerned about the left-
hand out onto Linder. That goes through a left -- it's two lanes, plus a left-hand turn lane
that you have to drive through the back end of it in order to make that turning movement
and but for across the street it wouldn't be allowed under the guidelines. As we go into
what type of commercial makes sense, we talk about the neighborhood feel of this. Are
left-hand turn movements out of that are what we want to have? And I -- I'm -- again, I'm
going through the city, I'm looking at our areas, I'm looking at our problem spots and, you
know, those type of situations -- if we are setting up for the long-term success, do we want
to set up the -- set up the expectations now for what that success should look like, instead
of having a conversation in ten years, 15 years when there are too much traffic, because
when Linder Road overpass goes in that becomes more of a thoroughfare -- a north-
south, it's going to eventually be impacting something at some point in time and do we
want commercial to know what the likely limitations are? As we said, that can change. Is
it a limitation where -- that we would be willing to consider at this point in time, so we don't
have unsafe turning movements out of that long term.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: I think I'm picking up what you are laying down. That makes sense to me.
don't -- can we, as a Council, specify a right-out and specify that there is not a left turn?
I feel like -- are we overstepping our role or do we have that ability?
Dodson: I'm sure Mr. Nary will comment as well, but I -- I don't know that we can dictate
what goes in the median. But on-site, as we did with Gramercy, making the curb in the
entrance or whatever to very much discourage people turning left, I have seen that and I
think we would have that power to condition that as a DA provision or condition of
approval.
Simison: And the developer has an opportunity to sign or not sign if that was a condition,
if that was the case, but I think at least warrants the question is whether -- whatever
success looks like long term, if ACHD starts -- in five years says, sorry, go away, what do
we want this to be long term. I think that's really the question, the expectations. But the
ramifications of that-- you are pushing more commercial traffic out through the residential
side of the neighborhood potentially to go left. It may. May not. But just, again, looking
at what the traffic implications are in this area that that access is a big issue in my opinion
long term. Mr. Nary.
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Nary: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, Joe is sounding just like an attorney. Yeah.
He's correct, yeah, definitely we don't have a way to limit the access onto the road -- onto
-- in Linder, but we can limit the access from the site out to the public right of way. The
challenge is sometimes is how it gets constructed, how it gets used, how it gets enforced.
It would appear likely, because of the current use on the west side of the roadway, they
are unlikely to ever put candles to prevent the emergency services from being --
accessing onto Linder. So, there is unlikely to ever be any other impediment to turning
into this site from going southbound on Linder. But definitely we can fashion in the
development agreement restrictions on the access out of the property. So, we can put
that in there.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: There is -- there is several other areas of our city that have this concern and I
-- I personally don't think that it's going to be any worse than any of the others. So,
currently turn out of my neighborhood onto Ten Mile and it's like running the gauntlet every
day. It's much much more dangerous than this is going to be and it's just directly south
of a commercial building. So, I just -- I don't -- there is a lot of these -- and I don't know
that we can regulate all of them and this reminds me of when you are coming out of the
--just to the north of here at the Winco exit, you are turning out of Winco and you turn left
across this commercial and, then, there is a fire station right there and the fire station you know, that's not going to be ever blocked off, because of the fire station, but that that doesn't feel like an unsafe place to turn left and I kind of see this playing out as a
similar feel to how that is all set up. So, I'm not in favor of that condition myself.
Simison: I think the difference here is that we have had some experiences even on Eagle
Road recently where we have areas where the -- when the traffic gets backed up people
start making turning movements that they can't see and this does have cueing back to an
area and there is no -- not a center turn area where you are supposed to move into -- I
mean you are not even really supposed to move into the center turn area to access the
area, but you got to drive through a left-hand turn lane going the opposite direction to a
certain extent to even turn into the next lane. Those are the types of things where you
are almost going against traffic to make this turning action based on my look at the map.
I mean even maybe if you don't want to do it, ask ACHD to move the turn lane closer to
the intersection and not have the queuing lane so far back. But those are -- those are the
issues and -- and they do exist all over the place. Locust Grove coming out in those areas
right there by the -- just south of the Maverick there is a road there that turns over into
two lanes and into a left-hand turn lane, eventually that's going to be a problem. Today
not necessarily, but I'm just trying to look at long-term, not necessarily what's there today.
Eventually the area you are talking about is also going to be a problem.
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
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Borton: So, if one of the conditions that's contemplated is that access onto Linder Road
be designed on-site to ensure right-in, right-out only is what you are --
Simison: That would be my question. My contemplation to the applicant.
Borton: The applicant has been stoic without gesture, so that requires us to get your input
if that is reasonable to consider, if it's fatally flawed from your perspective. How would
you respond?
Wheeler: Yeah. Council -- Council Members, I think it will make it more difficult, you
know, to make that commercial area more attractive, of course. Is it a no go? I -- it's hard
to say, you know. But we would prefer it not to be and, then, to be able to turn left on
there, I think that, you know, with the adjacent emergency use across the street that does
limit at least any further congestion from another use, you know, intersection type of
situation or a high traffic -- you know, if it was a Winco exiting and we are also exiting or
something to that effect. So, I think there is a little bit of an alleviation there in the impacts
of that left turn. I would recommend that we don't limit it to the right-in and that we go
with a left turn south onto Linder.
Simison: Maybe one more thing. It also allows left-hand turn movements off of Linder
into the project under the -- under the current if -- yeah. Maybe not. That's -- I think you
could, but I'm -- without designing it -- but it's going to -- it's going to create a problem. It
-- it -- it will in some regards create some real challenges. People stop on Linder to try --
because there is no left-hand turn lane to turn into this property at that location, because,
again, there is a left-hand lane that goes -- extends to the end beyond where the turning
movements begin. So, whether we do something here or ACHD does something on their
end to alleviate that so there is a cueing space, left-hand turn movements in and out at
this location will be a problem long term or short term when it starts getting built. But I will
-- that's an impact on those guys over there, so -- if Christy was here from ACHD I would
ask her and I thought that she was going to be on the call, but no one from ACHD is with
us that I can tell.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Yeah. I live out there and use that Linder Road quite frequently. That is a very
long lane. They plan to head for -- for that queuing, which really don't have that stacking
in rush hour periods. I -- I would think for the short term they could -- they could shorten
that to make a center turn lane for access in and out temporarily, but there will be that
point in time where it's -- it's not going to work, even if -- with the center turn lane. But it
is possible to do that at this point in time from my experience of living there. So -- you
know. So, there -- there is a short-term solution. But, eventually, it -- it will not be a
solution.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
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Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: I'm going to attempt to make a motion, hoping that I have gathered everything
that we are trying to incorporate here. So, I move that we approve --
Simison: Council Woman Perreault, the public hearing is still open, so --
Perreault: Oh. I thought we had closed it. I move that we close the public hearing.
Strader: Second.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing. All in favor signify by
saying aye. Opposed nay? The ayes have it and the public hearing is closed.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Thank you. I move that we approve the application for Lennon Pointe
Community, H-2021-0071 , for the annexation and zoning, preliminary plat, and
conditional use permit, with the following modifications: To add mature landscaping in the
northeast corner between the Building A, which is the apartment complex, and to create
more of a green space there and less -- less hardscape and, then, I would add that we
would add plants that are maturity at -- excuse me -- that -- landscaping that's mature at
planting between the commercial building on the -- the south side of the commercial area
and the residential to the south. I believe that that's everything that we -- there was an
outlier. If there is anything else, please, let me know.
Dodson: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Can we wait for a second?
Borton: I will second for discussion.
Simison: I have a motion and a second. Joe.
Dodson: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Sorry. I -- in no way do I want to belabor this. Trust me.
But the -- I was thinking about the buffer thing between the C-C and the R-15 again.
Because that's probably going to come in very late, I think the DA provision should
probably include a timing of that buffer being installed with the residential, so it has time
to mature as well and not at the time of the commercial building being built, because that's
usually when it goes in. So, I don't know if Council Woman Perreault and the Council
agree with that and want to make that modification. Or I could be completely out of my
mind.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
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Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: I like that idea. I know that that's probably kind of unconventional, because
the applicant usually doesn't start doing the landscaping piece until that -- you know, that
commercial area goes in. I would be -- I guess the conversation could be, you know, we
did -- we didn't mention putting mature landscaping on the south side in the berms -- or,
excuse me, in the -- in the MEWs that are between the sidewalk and the -- the north side
of the first home and that could be an area where they add more mature landscaping to
buffer that -- I -- I would be in favor of-- of adding that landscaping prior to the commercial
building being built. But I don't know if -- I don't know what's typical. Is that -- is that a
condition that's happened before, Joe?
Dodson: I have a good memory, but I don't know if it's that good with this. I wouldn't say
that that's typical, but -- well, we usually require the street buffers regardless of what's
adjacent to it. So, I guess that's -- that's -- that could be precedent there. I know that
could be a bad word, but that could give us some basis there. But because of the
discussion that we have had I -- and what Council has had, I believe it makes sense to
include that there, rather than wait for the commercial. But I guess at the same time if the
commercial isn't there, the --the issue isn't there. So, I can see it both ways. I just wanted
to throw that out in case Council wanted to give those trees time to mature.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Joe, what is -- what is considered maturity at planting? Like is there a height
-- what's considered a mature tree? I mean it just totally depends on what they put in;
right? So, maturity of planting could be anything -- I don't know -- like how technical do
we get on this? I -- I think that, you know, they are likely not going to implement any of
the parking infrastructure or the curbing or anything that will require landscaping in that
area around the 3,000 square foot building until that building's ready to be built; correct?
Dodson: More than likely, yes.
Perreault: Without just the space -- so, that what -- they are not going to bring in
landscaping and add the curbing in and -- and everything just to have some trees there
to buffer something that doesn't exist yet, so it sounds -- I think -- I think it just needs to
stay with the trees -- when that's developed the trees are mature, instead of being, you
know, a one foot shrub, so -- however that needs to be worded in the DA.
Dodson: Perfect. I got it. Sorry to convolute that.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
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Strader: Just for discussion. So, I wouldn't be able to support the motion, because I am
now convinced that we need a right-in, right-out off of Linder and I'm really concerned that
if we are letting people make the left-hand turn we are just kicking the can down the road.
So, I feel -- you know, Mayor Simison won me over actually with that argument. I think
that's a true issue. I actually think limiting it to right-in, right-out will make it more likely
that when we do get the commercial users that there will be more neighborhood scale
users, so I think that fits with what is intended here. So, I -- I would not support the current
motion without that condition.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Personally I think that's going to cause issues getting commercial users to
come in. I -- I think that's going to delay I -- think it's going to create a desirability problem
and I don't -- I don't love that element either. They are just so many -- there is so many
other-- I'm not saying that--that we want it to be a dangerous area, but this --this location
to me is not even remotely the most dangerous left turn that could can be made. I mean
I -- I --there is so many dangerous left turns that exist right now that I -- I just don't--there
is a center turn lane right now on Linder Road and there is going to be stacking on the
right turn lane heading north, but I -- I actually drive that exact same scenario multiple
times a day and I get--and there is a --you know, when you are entering into a subdivision
and they put a big square white box in front of the entrance, right, so that you can see
this is an entrance to a residential area. That protects people from turning left from -- if
-- if somebody is turning south and they get in the left-turn lane to turn in there, they are
going to have a protected box that says don't park in this space, somebody is turning in
here, because it's residential. There is -- there is features that are put on the road to
protect that. So, I -- and there is already a left turn lane that exists there on Linder. It's
four lanes already with left turn. I don't -- I'm not -- I guess I'm not understanding the
problem.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: Call for the question.
Simison: The question has been called. Clerk will call the roll.
Roll call: Borton, nay; Cavener, absent; Bernt, nay; Perreault, yea; Hoaglun, nay; Strader,
nay.
Simison: Motion fails. One aye. Four nays.
MOTION FAILED: ONE AYE. FOUR NAYS. ONE ABSENT.
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Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: I will -- I will give it a shot. So, I hope -- maybe for discussion. I don't know how
much discussion. After considering all staff, applicant and public testimony, I move to
approve File No. H-2021-0071 as presented in the staff report for today's hearing date
with the following modifications: Behind the commercial a requirement that at the time
the commercial is completed that there be mature planting that touches at maturity, that
there be mature planting in the northwest corner of the site next to Building A. Mature
trees. Excuse me. And with the condition that the access off of Linder Road be
constructed in a way to encourage right-in, right-out only. I apologize. I mean the
northeast corner.
Borton: Second.
Simison: Okay. I have a motion and a second. Is there discussion?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: I just want to say that I -- I am in support of this project and just -- with just the
one element of not being in agreement with the restricting the left turn and so I will -- I will
vote no on that motion, but I just want to make it clear to the applicant that I am in favor
of this project, with the exception of that one element.
Simison: Any further discussion?
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: Just as -- as part of that motion, Mr. Nary, is that the obligation to design the
Linder Road access to be right-in, right-out on the property, is that a DA condition or does
that need to be specified?
Nary: Yes, sir. That's what I took it to be.
Borton: Okay. All right. Thanks.
Simison: Seeing no further discussion, Clerk will call the roll.
Roll call: Borton, yea; Cavener, absent; Bernt, nay; Perreault, nay; Hoaglun, yea; Strader,
yea.
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Simison: Three ayes. Two nays. And the item is agreed to.
MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. TWO NAYS. ONE ABSENT.
Simison: Thank you very much and best of luck, Joe, getting all that squared away.
Dodson: I got it.
DEPARTMENT / COMMISSION REPORTS [Action Item]
5. Police Department: Fiscal Year 2022 Net-Zero Budget Amendment in
the Amount of$5,000.00 for Central District Health Partnership for
Success Mini Grant
Simison: Next item up is Item 5, which is under Department/Commission Reports, the
Police Department fiscal year 2022 net zero budget amendment in the amount of 5,000
dollars. Turn this over to Lieutenant Brown.
Brown: Mr. Mayor and City Council Members, I request that -- or request your approval
for a partnership for a partnership for success mini grant that was awarded by the Central
District Health to provide drug-free school zone signs to all 58 West Ada School District
campuses. These signs are to replace the previous signs with updated verbiage at West
Ada School District's request. The administration requests the addition of the word vape,
because there have been multiple occasions where parents have been asked to stop
vaping on campus and that language is not currently on those signs. With that I will stand
for any questions. Thank you.
Simison: Council, any questions?
Hoaglun: Lieutenant Brown? Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Will these signs be placed only at right-in, right-out locations?
Brown: I don't know where the designations will be placed, Councilman, but they will be
frequent throughout the campuses.
Bernt: Got Jerry Seinfeld in the house.
Simison: Without any further comic relief, is there a motion?
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
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Bernt: I move that we approve fiscal year 2022 net zero budget amendment in the amount
of 5,000 dollars for Central District Health partnership for success mini grant that was just
presented to us by Lieutenant Brown.
Strader: Second.
Simison: I have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion? If not, Clerk will call
the roll.
Roll call: Borton, yea; Cavener, absent; Bernt, yea; Perreault, yea; Hoaglun, yea; Strader,
yea.
Simison: All ayes. Motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
6. Parks and Recreation Department: Meridian Parks and Recreation
Master Plan Update Findings Summary
Simison: Council, we are good to continue going? All right. Then, with that we will move
onto Item 6, which is the Parks and Recreation Department. The Meridian Parks and
Recreation master plan update finding summary and turn this over to Mr. Siddoway.
Siddoway: Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council. This is meant to be just a
brief update and status report for you. As you know we are working on the master plan
update. Art Thatcher was before you this fall when we were kicking off the -- the project.
He kind of laid out the -- the sequence of events that would be happening. We rolled
straight into a major public involvement activity, along with a variety of stakeholder focus
groups and interviews with each of you and our Parks and Rec commissioners and others.
So, I believe you are familiar with that. We have also had the survey out and Art --Art is
coming back this week to do a big presentation tomorrow night and he is going to give
you more of those details, so I'm going to turn it over to Art. But I just wanted to introduce
Art and just say that tonight is our commitment to come before you with regular touch
points throughout this process to keep you informed of -- of where we are and what the
next steps are. So, with that I'm going to turn this over to Art Thatcher.
Thatcher: Thank you, Steve. Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, thank you for allowing
me a few minutes to come and meet with you. I -- I could put the 68 slide show for
tomorrow up and we could go through that -- sorry. I am here tonight to give you an
update on the -- on the master plan and so we are in the -- the findings and visioning
stage. This is kind of the -- the four stages of the master plan. So, we are -- we are back
to do the -- the findings, to go over the results of the survey, to kind of touch base again
on the -- on our public engagement, look at those recurring themes and, then, begin to
develop recommendations and actions for the master plan. And so as you can see all of
those that are in kind of the --the orange are those different tasks that we have completed.
We are down kind of in the community center feasibility, the cost recovery, and the findings
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presentation stages. We are here this week to do the -- the findings presentation and so
as you remember we were here in November and -- and did our public engagement. We
held six focus groups for 39 participants. We interviewed ten elected officials,
stakeholders. We did a swap -- workshop with the staff and did interviews with the staff.
We also did a briefing to -- to the Commission and, then, toured all the parks and facilities
and, then, held an open forum and we had 18 people attend that in a -- both in -- in person
and virtually. And so we really did asked about strengths, weaknesses, opportunities,
what new programs, facilities you would like to see and so just kind of a recap from the
focus groups, the strengths of the department, the staff, the leadership, that they are
approachable, the diversity of offerings, location of your parks and they are well planned,
they are -- they are bikeable, they are for everyone and, then, your partnerships were
some of those -- those top things that -- strengths that were identified by -- by the focus
group participants. We also asked about areas of improvement and parking was the --
the one that came up the most, along with communication, and I can tell you that with all
the communities that I work with around the country, those areas of improvement,
communication and parking are always in the top three and -- and so it's -- it's not
unreasonable to see those. The need for more athletic fields, diamond -- specifically
diamond fields for youth and, then, a greater need for more open space and -- and more
park space were some of those other areas for improvement. So, we asked about
priorities of everything that we talked about, what would this -- what would your priorities
be for the focus groups and so connectivity was the number one. An indoor facility.
Rectangle fields to support demand. Land acquisition. And, then, managing growth were
those top five that came out of the -- of the focus groups for those priorities. So, from
there we -- we took that information and we took the -- the information that we got from
our leadership interviews and we developed a -- a survey and so we did our needs
assessment survey. We mailed that to 3,500 homes, 3,444 of them were delivered and
so we got a return of 3,200 of the invitation surveys and, then, another 378 of the open
links. So, a total return of 690 and giving us that five percent plus or minus margin of
error and so we asked about needs for future facilities. One of the things about --
Greenplay did the 2015 master plan. We also did the survey and the same survey firm
did both, so we were able to do some comparisons and so we asked about future needs.
You can see that a community recreation center was the top need in -- in 2021 . An indoor
aquatic facility came in second. Afield house gymnasium space. A performing arts center
and the ice rink were the -- were the top out of the -- out of a list of ten facilities that we
-- that we asked about priorities and you can see in 2015 those were the same top five
and -- and, really, just the indoor aquatic facility and the community center kind of flipped
from -- from 2015 to 2021 . So, that same need is there within the community. We also
asked about outdoor facilities. Future needs. Again, kind of looking at that comparison.
Parks and pathways, improvements to park amenities, shade structures, playgrounds,
lights on athletic fields, again, were those top five. You can see they were very similar to
the 2015 and -- and what was -- what kind of dropped in from -- from 15 to 21 was the
public art in parks and exercise stations along trails and lost a little bit of traction, but,
really, only about two-tenths of a percent. So, we also asked about communication,
because communication was one of the things that -- that came out of the -- out of the
needs assessment -- out of the focus groups and, again, we asked about what are the
best ways that -- that we can reach you and so e-mails from the city, social media, the
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activity guide and -- and the website -- the city's website were those really top four and
we see that very much within -- again around the country, that there is really a -- kind of
a mixed method. There is not one method that -- that does the best. We do see that the
activity guides finish in that top ten percent or so on -- in these, because what people like
is they like to get them, they go through it and they can circle what they want to do, but,
then, they want to turn around and they want to be able to register online for their
programs and do those things. So, these are -- these are very -- very common methods.
So, we look at those recurring themes and so trails, pathways, connectivity, the need for
a community center, improved park amenities, improving the park amenities, maintaining
what you currently have, making sure that you are taking care of your current facilities,
your current amenities before you start to build a lot of new. Shade structures in parks.
Land acquisition. Keeping up with your rapid growth. Lighted athletic fields. Space for
performing arts and an indoor aquatics facility. Really those --those are recurring themes
that we -- that we came through all of those data points. And so Dave Petersen, who is
with me, does our inventory and our level of service analysis and so he went and visited
all the parks, looked at all the amenities and -- and these were some of the -- kind of his
observations from the inventory site visits. The parks are very consistent across the
board. They are very well maintained. They are very high standard. Impressively your
restrooms are probably the cleanest of any system that we -- that we use. So, it speaks
well to your maintenance. They are -- you know, most of the parks do have public art and
that it's very well received. Additional bike repair stations have been added and your turf
conditions are in excellent shape and there seems to be a really high priority to plant trees
in many of the parks and so we -- we are taking all that information and, again, we will be
doing a presentation to the public tomorrow, getting their feedback, getting them to
validate the things that we have heard. We have got a lot more of the -- kind of the survey
results that we will go over with them -- Dave will go over a lot of the heat maps for
walkability and accessibility to recreation facilities during that and then -- and then -- and,
then, on Thursday we will be working with the staff to really look at -- we -- we do this
visioning workshop where we --we look at the recurring themes and, then, the data points
where we saw them and, then, begin to develop kind of high level recommendations to
meet those and, then, as a project team we will begin to look at those recommendations
and actions to meet those, like we did in the -- in the previous master plan. In addition to
the master planning process on March 30th we have an open house and a public meeting
with the next step for the community center feasibility study and, then, in -- in April we will
be doing the public workshops and the sorting for -- for the cost recovery portion of this
project and so, again, our next step is this draft recommendations beginning to really kind
of hone in on the recommendations and actions for the master plan. So, I'm happy to
answer any questions. I know it's been a long night for you.
Simison: Thank you, Art. Council, questions?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Thank you very much, Art. Could you go back to the slides to talk about the
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priorities. I just want to get some understanding of a couple of those.
Thatcher: The survey priorities or the --
Perreault: Keep going. One more. There you go. So, when it says areas of
improvement, communication, does that mean communication between the city and the
public or communication -- I'm not like --
Thatcher: Yes.
Perreault: Can you help me quantify that?
Thatcher: Sure. It's the -- the public knowing about what -- what programs are going on,
communication with the public, information being given out. Your marketing. Your
communication. Those -- those are the things that -- that they were talking about.
Perreault: Can you share what the -- what they thought was lacking, because I mean it's
published in like so many different ways.
Thatcher: Yes. Yes, ma'am, it is. And -- and as I said, it -- it's common across the country
and I mean you can -- you can invest millions of dollars into -- into marketing and -- and
citizens will tell you, well, I didn't know about that. I didn't hear about that. I -- and -- and
you have put it in all the social media areas. You can even walk to their door and put a
flyer in their hand and the next day they will tell you they didn't know about it. It's not
uncommon and it's not something that we get upset about, but I mean it is -- I -- I know
Shelley was --was very taken aback when --when she saw this is that the second highest
kind of area of improvement.
Perreault: Can you go to the next slide? I just have one more question on the next slide.
So, the -- the land acquisition that -- that means like the city looking for additional
purchase opportunities for more parks.
Thatcher: Yes, ma'am.
Perreault: Or for fields or -- is that what that means?
Thatcher: Yes. Yes. It's continuing to -- to acquire land as development, so staying
ahead of the development, so that you are not losing ground on your provision of parks
for -- for the community.
Perreault: And, then, what does inclusiveness mean, third from the bottom?
Thatcher: Yes. Being inclusive, making sure that you are programming for everyone,
both ethnically, age wise, sports wise, making sure that there is a balance between active
and passive recreation. Those are the -- kind of that inclusivity piece.
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Perreault: Thank you.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Art, if you could advance just a couple of slides. I had a question about
something where they are showing the three point -- in 2015 versus the 2021 survey and
I found it interesting, the field house gymnasium space from the 2015 survey to the 2021
survey, because the city acquired HomeCourt and that was a -- a big move and I just
found it interesting that -- and it could be because with more growth, more people, and
there is not enough room. So, that's just kind of interesting where we did make an
acquisition and improve it and, yet, there is still more need than those expressed before.
Thatcher: And some of that may also be a part of the communication piece where the --
the community that -- that saw that as a private facility is really not aware that -- that you
have taken it over and it's now a public facility and, then, it's open to the public and it goes
to that marketing, that communication piece.
Simison: So, did I just hear you blame Shelley again? Sorry, Shelley.
Thatcher: She's going to come get me in the morning I can tell.
Simison: Council, any additional questions before you all tune in tomorrow night? Thank
you, Art.
Thatcher: Thank you all very much. Have a good evening.
ORDINANCES [Action Item]
7. Ordinance No. 22-1970: An Ordinance (Woodcrest Townhomes H-
2021-0015 - Rezone) for Rezone of a Parcel of Land Located in the
Southwest '/4 of the Southeast '/4 of Section 5, Township 3 North,
Range 1 East, Boise Meridian, Ada County, Idaho, and Also Being a
Portion of Lot 4, Block 1 of Mallane Subdivision, as Shown in Book 87
of Plats on Pages 9881 through 9883, Records of Ada County, Idaho;
Establishing and Determining the Land Use Zoning Classification of
2.10 Acres of Land from L-O (Limited Office) Zoning District to R-15
(Medium-High Density Residential) Zoning District in the Meridian City
Code; Providing that Copies of this Ordinance Shall be Filed with the
Ada County Assessor, the Ada County Recorder, and the Idaho State
Tax Commission, as Required by Law; and providing for a summary
of the ordinance and providing for a waiver of the reading rules and
providing an effective date
Simison: You, too. Council, that moves us on to Item 7 this evening, which is Ordinance
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No. 22-1970. Ask the Clerk to read this ordinance by title.
Johnson: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. An ordinance related to Woodcrest Townhomes, H-
2021-0015, for rezone -- for rezone of a parcel of land located in the Southwest '/4 of the
Southeast '/4 of Section 5, Township 3 North, Range 1 East, Boise meridian, Ada county,
Idaho, and also being a portion of Lot 4, Block 1 of, Mallane Subdivision, as shown in
Book 87 of Plats on Pages 9881 through 9883, Records of Ada county, Idaho; establishing
and determining the land use zoning classification of 2.10 acres of land from L-O (Limited
Office) Zoning District to R-15 (Medium-High Density Residential) Zoning District in the
Meridian City Code; providing that copies of this ordinance shall be filed with the Ada
County Assessor, the Ada County Recorder, and the Idaho State Tax Commission, as
required by law; and providing for a summary of the ordinance and providing for a waiver
of the reading rules and providing an effective date.
Simison: Thank you. Council, you have heard this ordinance read by title. Is there
anybody that would like it read in its entirety? Ralph says no. Then do I have a motion?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: I move that we approve Ordinance No. 22-1970, with a suspension of rules.
Hoaglun: Second in the motion.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to approve Ordinance No. 22-1970 under
suspension of the rules. Is there any discussion? If not, Clerk will call the roll.
Roll call: Borton, yea; Cavener, absent; Bernt, yea; Perreault, yea; Hoaglun, yea; Strader,
yea.
Simison: All ayes. Motion carries and the ordinance is agreed to.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Simison: Council, anything under future meeting topics?
Johnson: Mr. Mayor, there is one more.
8. Ordinance No. 22-1971: An Ordinance (Apex East Subdivision - H-
2021-0086 Rezone) for Rezone of a Parcel of Land Being a Portion of
Government Lot 2 and a Portion of the Southwest '/4 of the Northeast
1/4 of Section 5, Township 2 North, Range 1 East, Boise Meridian, Ada
County, Idaho; Establishing and Determining the Land Use Zoning
Classification of 32.21 Acres of Land from R-4 (Medium Low Density
Residential) Zoning District to R-8 (Medium Density Residential)
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Zoning District in the Meridian City Code; Providing That Copies of
this Ordinance Shall be Filed with the Ada County Assessor, the Ada
County Recorder, and the Idaho State Tax Commission, as Required
by Law; and Providing for a Summary of the Ordinance; and Providing
for a Waiver of the Reading Rules; and Providing an Effective Date
Simison: Oh, I'm sorry. I apologize. The ordinance -- next item up is No. 8, which is
Ordinance No. 22-1971. Ask the Clerk to read the ordinance by title.
Johnson: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. It's an ordinance related to Apex East Subdivision, H-
2021-0086 rezone -- for rezone of a parcel of land being a portion of Government Lot 2
and a portion of the Southwest '/4 of the Northeast 1/4 of Section 5, Township 2 North,
Range 1 East, Boise meridian, Ada county, Idaho; establishing and determining the land
use zoning classification of 32.21 acres of land from R-4 (Medium Low Density
Residential) Zoning District to R-8 (Medium Density Residential) Zoning District in the
Meridian City Code; providing that copies of this ordinance shall be filed with the Ada
County Assessor, the Ada County Recorder, and the Idaho State Tax Commission, as
required by law; and providing for a summary of the ordinance; and providing for a waiver
of the reading rules; and providing an effective date.
Simison: Thank you. Council, you have heard this ordinance read by title. Is there
anybody that would like it right in its entirety? If not, do I have a motion?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: I move that we approve Ordinance No. 22-1971 with the suspension of rules.
Hoaglun: Second the motion.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to approve Ordinance No. 22-1971 under
suspension of the rules. Is there any discussion? If not, Clerk will call the roll.
Roll call: Borton, yea; Cavener, absent; Bernt, yea; Perreault, yea; Hoaglun, yea; Strader,
yea.
Simison: All ayes. Motion carries and the ordinance is agreed to.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
FUTURE MEETING TOPICS
Simison: Council, anything under future meeting topics? Or do I have a motion to
adjourn?
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Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor, I move we adjourn.
Simison: Have a motion to adjourn. All in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay?
The ayes have it. We are adjourned.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 9:16 P.M.
(AUDIO RECORDING ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS)
3 / 8 / 2022
MAYOR ROBERT E. SIMISON DATE APPROVED
ATTEST:
CHRIS JOHNSON - CITY CLERK
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