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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2006 01-09 Joint ACHD Meridian City Council I ACHe Commissioners Special Joint/Workshop Meeting January 9, 2006 The Meridian City Council / ACHD Commissioners Special Joint/Workshop Meeting was called to order at 12:00 P.M. on Monday, January 9,2006 by Mayor Tammy de Weerd. Members Present: Mayor Tammy de Weerd, Keith Bird, Shaun Wardle and Joe Borton. ACHD Members Present: John Franden, Carol McKee, Rebecca Arnold and David Bivens. Staff Present: Brad Watson, Anna Canning, Bill Nary and Steve Siddoway. Others Present: Terry Smith, Frank Thomason, Katey Levihn. Item 1. Introduction of Introductions: New Council Member and General Franden: -- the Mayor, Council and the new City Council person, who we find we are almost related (inaudible) -- I used to work with his mom. But anyway to just kind of get the New Year started why don't we just go around and we will introduce ourselves. First of all, I am John Franden with the Ada County Highway District Commission. Arnold: Rebecca Arnold with Ada County. McKee: Carol McKee. De Weerd: Tammy De Weerd, Mayor. Bivens: David Bivens. Borton: Joe Borton, the new guy. Wardle: Shaun Wardle with the City of Meridian. Bird: Keith Bird with the City of Meridian. (Speaker unknown): Welcome and congratulations on the elections. Franden: Okay, the first thing on the agenda is the annual report on impact fees and Pat -- Item 2. Annual Report on Impact Fees: Meridian City Council & ACHD Special JoinUWorkshop Meeting January 9, 2006 Page 2 of 19 Heckman: Good morning, afternoon actually. I just want to present to you the Fiscal Year 2006 year end impact fee report. Currently the City of Meridian falls into three service areas. They are the northwest service area, service area number one; the southwest service area, number two and the northeast service area, number four. This is the map of the northwest impact fee service area. As you can see, the majority of the City of Meridian's city limits are within this service area. I just want to point out the boundaries - it's north of the Interstate, west of Eagle Road and then all the way out west. The southwest service area is actually south of the Interstate and there is a portion of Meridian that is in that area, so you do have fees that are collected in the southwest service area. The final service area would be the northeast service area, which would be east of Eagle Road and then north of the Interstate and that encompasses the far east portion of Meridian in that service area. I want to provide you with a sample of what the impact fee would be for the different types of development within the different service areas. As you can see in service area one, which is the northwest, your single-family home will vary anywhere from $1,500 down to $1,100 based on where the development is going to be at within the different service areas. So, it does make a difference on the way the developers are developing that as to what their fee structure is going to be. I just listed a couple of the different common developments, the fast food, the general office, the gas station, the market. This is our accounting report of the impact fee of the three service areas. The majority which I will discuss will be the northwest service area for the city limits of Meridian and we had collections of 6.3 million, which has about doubled compared to last fiscal year. Of course, we did have some interest. You did have refunds and some corridor preservations for a sub-total of revenue of about $12.6 million. You had impact fee eligible projects of $3.2 million and you have got credit for your property tax that we paid, so the total cost of the projects was $2.9 million. So, the northwest service area does have a positive ending balance of about $1.7 million. As you can see in the southwest service area and the northeast service area, we do have negative fund balances. That requires a loan from ACHD's general fund to pay' for those projects and then we will track those costs and then loan into the next fiscal year. Did you have a question? Franden: Yes, just for the new Council person and to just kind of refresh all of our minds, what can impact fees be used for? Heckman: They can only be used on roads or arterials that are identified in the Capital Improvement Plan, currently, and it is only when it is identified that it is impact fee eligible. Gary Inselman can probably expand on that a little bit more. De Weerd: Mr. Chairman. Franden: Mayor. Meridian City Council & ACHD Special JoinUWorkshop Meeting January 9, 2006 Page 3 of 19 De Weerd: I think it is also important to know that it's for only new pavement. So, if the improvement is going from two lanes to five lanes, the impact fee is only based on the new lanes, not the total project costs, but the new lanes that would be added. Franden: Right. De Weerd: Is that correct? Inselman: Mr. Chairman and Madame Mayor that is correct. If you would like - would you like an expanded breakdown of the components of the project that would be eligible? Franden: It might be helpful. Inselman: Okay as the Mayor has stated for rebuilding a new road and widening it, the reconstruction of the existing two lanes would not be impact fee eligible, the storm drain system for the road project at south would be eligible if we expanded that to accommodate a drainage problem in the area or a subdivision in that area, that portion would not. Sidewalks are not impact fee eligible. Bike lanes are not impact fee eligible. If there is landscaping it would not be eligible if there was components put into the project. All of the right of way that we require is impact fee eligible that is necessary for the widening of the road and the sidewalks. The design and construction and engineering of the project is eligible to the percent that the entire project is eligible; then there has to be a separate calculation after the fact to determine what that percentage is. Traffic signals and intersections, if they are to benefit the arterial system then those are 100 percent eligible. If it is a signal on the middle of the road to survey development then it would not be impact fee eligible. Franden: Thanks Gary. Heckman: Any other questions? Franden: Any other questions with that? No? Okay. De Weerd: I don't know if you are at the end yet, but I guess I would like to know in terms of the impact fees and I don't want to - I am not asking these questions to reduce them, but if Meridian were to balance our residential and commercial, we are capturing (inaudible) and so as we increase our job base. So, how does that affect the different zones and those different impacts? Inselman: Mr. Chair and Mayor currently as you know we are revising our capital improvements plan and going through that process. As part of that process we will look at the demographics and the other factors in the impact fee formula and recalculate our network adjustment factors and our trip lengths for each service Meridian City Council & ACHD Special JoinUWorkshop Meeting January 9, 2006 Page 4 of 19 area and those will change and hopefully address some of what you just discussed if there is more internal trip captured within the city then the overall trip lengths should decline a little bit. You may not see that because of all of the growth and the new - I think that still the housing is kind of out-stripping the employment a little bit. There still may be an overall slight increase, but maybe not as much as you would if the employment hadn't risen as well. But, that is when that gets taken into account is when you recalculate all of those factors as part of the Capital Improvement Plan and adopt the new impact fee ordinance later this summer. Franden: Gary is my memory correct in that for the City of Meridian that 75 percent of the trips in work related - I think Terry has talked to me about this - that 75 percent of those trips leave the community to go to work someplace else? Is that --? Inselman: Mr. President, I am afraid I don't have that number off the top of my head. Franden: I think Terry Little has some information. Inselman: Terry or Don. Franden: Where Eagle and Star were like 3 and 4 percent and Boise is something like around 50 percent, okay - Heckman: We did expend some funds on corridor preservation, which is preserving some corridors that are identified in the CIP and I listed some of them from the different service areas and the roadway project associated with that, i.e., for Champion Park, which is for the road Ustick, Locust Grove to Eagle, we did do an advance purchase on some property. For the northwest service area we a multiple of impact fee eligible projects. The total project cost came out to $4.7 million of which $2.9 was impact fee eligible and we had available funds of $4.6 million. I have listed all the roadways that were impact fee eligible. The phase that they are in either construction right of way or design and the CIP number that is applicable to. So, for the service area you have your Locust Grove, Franklin Road and those types of projects. For the southwest service area, the total project cost was $6.2 million. Impact fee eligible was $3.5 million and the available funds was only $2.4 million, which shows already we are at a deficit of funds to cover all the impact fees eligible costs. I have listed all the roadways here again with the phase and the CIP. The majority of this is for right of way acquisitions for Overland Road and then Victory Road, as you can see in the intersections. The final service area, the northeast, service area number four had a total project cost of $8 million of which impact fee eligible costs were $4.1 million and available funds of $3.7 million. So, this just about had enough funds to cover all of the costs. Again, the majority of this is for design and some right of way and the three cities (inaudible) crossing is in this service area. So, in some Meridian City Council & ACHD Special JoinUWorkshop Meeting January 9, 2006 Page 5 of 19 way we had one service area that did have a positive amount and that was the northwest of $1.7 million and the other two service areas had negative ending balances. I have identified the projects that are planned for FY 2006, the different service area. This is the northwest. You are looking at Locust Grove Construction, finishing up Franklin Road, the final payments on that and right of way on Ten Mile. For the southwest, service area number two, we have construction on Overland Road and then we are designing several projects - Maple Grove and Hackamore and then buying right of way on (inaudible). Then the northeast service area, number four there are several design projects going on, Five Mile, Franklin Road and new construction on Maple Grove, both Franklin to Fairview and (inaudible) to Chinden. Any questions, comments? Franden: Pat, I noticed that the Mayor is making notes. Could we be provided with a hard copy of -- ? Heckman: I have provided all of you a hard copy on your- Franden: Oh, it's here. Okay any questions for Pat? Bivens: Mr. President I (inaudible) or Gary would be the one to - on the back page of our handout summary of the impact fee by service area and the starting balance of - actually it was September 30th or excuse me October 1 s\ 2004 and September 30th, 2005 and we talked about $1.3 million per corridor. How much- that was as of September 30th. Do we have any idea on what direction that (inaudible----) October 1 st. Heckman: Since October 1 st we have collected about $3 million in impact fees. I couldn't tell you specifically what service areas at this point and time. We are just now finishing up the first quarter to do the first quarter report and it looks like we will pretty much be right on track as compared to last year. The report that I provided you here - on this last page is the year end report showing all the service areas. So, I hope to have that first quarter report done here quickly. But, it looks like that it will be very similar to this year. Franden: Pat, anything else? Heckman: Nope. Franden: Questions? Thank you. Item 3. Status Report on Capital Improvements Plan (CIP) Update Process: Franden: The next one is the status report on the Capital Improvements Plan Update Process. Gary? Meridian City Council & ACHD Special JoinUWorkshop Meeting January 9, 2006 Page 6 of 19 Inselman: Thank you Mr. President, Madame Mayor. I have a brief on where we are at on our capital improvements plan update. We have been going through - our consultants going through the analysis of over 100 intersections that were identified to be studied that does require separate analysis outside of the COMPASS model and they have just completed that and are now in the middle of seeing how that effects our draft road projects that were identified through the model and it does make some changes. So, we will make those changes this month, review that internally at ACHD and compare that to known development, traffic impact studies and other approved developments that may not have been reflected in the (inaudible). (Inaudible--------) cost estimating in February and have that by the end of March and then have draft CIP completed and have another public information meeting and public involvement on this before we make final revisions and publish for the hearings this summer and our ultimate goal is to have the CIP updated and a new impact fee ordinance adopted and effective by this time the next fiscal year, October 1 st. There are a couple of issues that we have asked your staff to bring up and provide comment back to us from you and other staff of the city. Some of the large (inaudible) that felt a change from years past where we are showing more roads indicating we need several lane improvements (inaudible--). Actually this map is a little out of date and we haven't quite finished that revision thing that I was talking about for this month yet, but we are actually showing now Franklin Road from Eagle clear into Lock Key (inaudible) seven lanes - about a half mile (inaudible) Meridian, but it is - will be an impact to your communities as well as Overland Road showing the need for several lanes - several statements in Boise and then the last mile or so in Meridian and as we have been planning for several years, Fairview is going to need - actually from back to Orchard all the way to Meridian Road and we are looking at some areas to the east and walking it you would probably have a little constraint and won't be able to make that widening - there is a tremendous need for capacity east and west that we still have and even with Ustick, McMillan going to five and Pine going to five - Fairview, Franklin and Overland still show a need for seven in some places - Fairview, (inaudible) still wouldn't have the level of service we are desiring in some different areas with seven lanes. So, ask your staff to talk with you and the other staff will provide some comments on your thoughts on that - obviously there are a couple of ways that you could go in our Commissions direction and input from the cities and there is always the option of living with more congestion, which a lot of people sure don't want. Frankly, we haven't even gotten (inaudible---) five lanes yet and we are still in the need for seven, so this will be a long term thing that we have to be preparing for and will complete Overland and Franklin for five lanes for the next few years and if they are listed as seven in the CIP then we would start preserving right of way for that next widening (inaudible-------------------). De Weerd: Mr. Chair. Franden: Madame Mayor. Meridian City Council & ACHD Special JoinUWorkshop Meeting January 9, 2006 Page 7 of 19 De Weerd: I guess that does raise a question and as well as a concern. We already (inaudible) and the problems caused and I know you are shortening the window of where you look at these to update them, but all of the lost opportunities in north Meridian - the impact fees that they were charged, they were not really based on the road improvements needed out there because they weren't on the CIP yet. So, it's when you lose that ability or planning for future roadway or road improvements that certainly are impacted in those areas because of growth and those opportunities are lost. Maybe it's a question for Steve on is there something that the city can be asking even though impact fees will be charged in certain areas - can we be asking for donation of right of way? Can we be asking for something that will not seem like it's taking because impact fees are not assessed in the areas that the impact is being made because it's not yet reflected (inaudible------). Did I phrase that question clear now that we have got Steve here --? Kostelec: That's another issue that I have brought up to our Commission a couple of times and to our Capital Improvements Advisory Committee and that is - and production started this program a few years ago, where even if the road segment doesn't (inaudible) in north Meridian, doesn't or isn't in the CIP yet, when they come in for development, there are corridors that we are buying the right of way on an non-impact fee (inaudible) to preserve the corridor for the future road binding and staff has suggested that we continue that future with this update and actually list in CIP, you know, if say on this map and some of these has changed, but say Ten Mile only shows a three lane need, but we put in the CIP that we wanted to do five, so everybody is very clear that we want (inaudible) for five lanes, but will use non-impact funds for that additional right of way for the three lane road to the five lane road so that so that the (inaudible) statutory requirements for the impact fees, but we are making it very clear to everybody in the planning (inaudible) says that we want a five lane road even though the model doesn't show that we need one. We are trying to address some of those needs and we have identified with input from our Commission specific corridors that we are targeting for that and the others we would look at on a case by case basis. De Weerd: I guess because of our sense of location in the Valley, our trips really can't be measure on just Meridian's growth, but the entire Valley's growth and certainly growth pressures from the last (inaudible) Canyon County really add to it. But, in the south part and I am sure if I don't get it right Steve will correct me, but we kind of noticed a big void there in a number of the roads that as we bring our sewer under 1-84, which we are working on doing right now that is going to - you are going to see build out just like you see in north Meridian and as I understand it classification of those roads are as collectors and not arterials, so they really are not in the same category to be assessed the same type of impact. So, what can we be doing differently - you know, we want to be partners with you and we want to make sure that because of certain technicalities you have that our community doesn't lose because of that because we do know that we Meridian City Council & ACHD Special JoinUWorkshop Meeting January 9, 2006 Page 8 of 19 have dealt with more traffic than is just ours. So, we want to be responsive to that and how can we better be doing that and is that something you are asking out of the Blue Print for Good Growth? What kind of tools can we be utilizing then that maybe you can't, but we can with those kinds of partnership ideas? Franden: Gary, one of the questions I have is last week Katey and Sally made a presentation to us about a new study getting started as far as classification of roadways - will that work? It's going to be started - will it help address what the Mayor is talking about? Inselman: Yes and no, John. Don may help make a stand on that. Kostelec: I guess the first thing - I guess I will address with those roads south of the freeway. We had a preliminary meeting with COMPASS about a month ago on most of those when the recommended change from the Communities in Motion - we will have pretty much all of those being (inaudible---------------) section line roads south of (inaudible). So, that should be taken care of through the next iteration of that update at COMPASS - what we talked about last week we'll have further implications for that though on the basis of what we are talking about and that change on the COMPASS level. Franden: How soon, Don, would that - would those reclassifications of those have to be in place? Kostelec: That would occur when the COMPASS Board adopts the regional transportation plan. Franden: Which would be --? Kostelec: Well, we just had another 90-day delay on that. In our last month's meeting (inaudible----) so I forget if that's the end of the summer or - De Weerd: Well, we won't have our sewer out there before then. We are okay. (Inaudible discussion) Siddoway: If the functional classification changes don't happen until June or July, it's really too late for it to have an impact on the CIP that's (inaudible) being developed, which means that we won't be able to get those south Meridian area roads into the CIP until the next update, which is three years from now and just a heads up, you know three years ago there was no development in north Meridian. We did the extension of the light drain sewer trunk in 2002 and all the developments up there happen to have three year windows with this CIP and I would expect to see the same type of thing happen with south Meridian over the next three years and it seems like there is an unfortunate opportunity lost there to Meridian City Council & ACHD Special JoinUWorkshop Meeting January 9, 2006 Page 9 of 19 charge impact fees for those roadway segment. There is going to be heavily development (inaudible) over the next several years. Franden: So, is there a way that we can not miss the opportunity? (Speaker unknown): The way would be the delay of this process to wait for Communities in Motion to be completed and begin again to redo what we have done to date to take that into account. I think the other option would be similar to what we have done in north Meridian the last couple of years. None of those roads were in the current CIP and we have successfully preserved the right of way on all of the arterials - some of the developers have been very good about donating it. Others have gone ahead and purchased it with non impact fee funds. That can still be done south of the Interstate and actually we are already doing it south of the Interstate along Ten Mile and Amity - already buying the right of way for five lanes on what little development we have seen there already. So, we can continue that it just means that budget item might grow a little bit (inaudible------- ). Franden: Bruce Mills? Mills: Yeah, I just wanted to point out - Gary said two things. Number one we are still getting the land we preserved, though on (inaudible---). Number two we are still collecting impact fees from all those people in the southwest. I wanted to get it clear (inaudible----------------------------) again we are getting (inaudible) less or something, whether we have all those projects in there. So, yes, there is a shortfall, (inaudible-----------). I wanted to make sure that was understood. Franden: Ms. McKee? McKee: Could we amend our CIP before three years when the classification comes through at COMPASS and then we can add these roads in there in question? Inselman: Yes, the three year time period is strictly our- McKee: Okay, so we could change that to accommodate- (Inaudible discussion) McKee: Well, I just need to put in the particular roads that we are talking about in south Meridian. Inselman: (Inaudible) direct us to do a limited update to take into account. McKee: Okay. Meridian City Council & ACHD Special JoinUWorkshop Meeting January 9, 2006 Page 10 of 19 Inselman: I would assume, though, until there is a lot of development applications improved and that activity started, the biggest change that you would see is it would go from a little black line to the three lane improvement (inaudible) reclassified. Until the development is improved and has something to base it on, we probably wouldn't see a lot of five lane roads showing up (inaudible---). De Weerd: Mr. Chair. Franden: Mayor. De Weerd: Just a follow up in that we are working on updating our Comp Plan - or doing a Comp Plan for that south area. So, we would certainly want to work closely with your staffs and identify the impacts and those kinds of things that could help make things a little bit easier when you do that amendment. Inselman: I think another piece of this is this is really driven by the city's input to COMPASS with demographics advisory committee and that process. That is what drives a lot of the model assumptions so that input to them is going to be probably the most (inaudible--------------------). Bivens: Mr. Chairman. Franden: Mr. Bivens. Bivens: I think what Mayor De Weerd has brought up has been a great concern of mine. As soon as that sewer and water services is pushed under the Interstate, that whole area - developers are currently buying land out there and making offers - De Weerd: They are? Bivens: Anyway, I think anything we can do to get ahead of the curves in that area would be a great help because Overland Road - if you just look at Overland Road and west of 69, which is Meridian Road - look down in there when we get that new interchange in there, that is going to be totally disastrous as far as congestion is concerned unless we get ahead of the curve. How we can do it, I don't know, but I think we really need to spend some time and do that and we are seeing, I guess I should say, what is happening in the north Meridian area. I mean we knew it was going to happen, but didn't realize it was going to happen that fast and I live right in the middle of part of that and I think that the south side is going to do exactly the same thing. So, anything we can do to get ahead of that and I think what Gary said is review of the (inaudible) is mandatory three years and we can do it earlier and I know it takes some time and effort, but- Franden: I am just wondering - listening to this conversation, I am just wondering is first of all are we on top of this stuff and keeping up with what is Meridian City Council & ACHD Special JoinUWorkshop Meeting January 9, 2006 Page 11 of 19 going to happen there so that we are comfortable the way we are operating right now or do we need to think about having a special task force that would focus in on this area and is that necessary? I am just - because part of me is hearing what Gary and Don said is that they are aware of it and the way that things are moving along right now is sufficient, but I don't know if I heard that properly. Mayor? De Weerd: I guess when you also consider the growth projections we are hearing out of Kuna is concerning to us not just looking at the potential growth of Meridian in that area, but the growth in Kuna and in the county in that area has been very rapid as well and so we can't just focus on what is happening in Meridian because Kuna's only way out are on those roads. Borton: Mr. Chair. Franden: Joe. Borton: Gary when you mention the limited updates can it be done with just a specific portion? Can you do an update just on this other part or do you need to update the entire thing? Inselman: We could focus our attention on specific area, but amending the entire plan and then the impact fee order after that. They go hand in hand. Franden: Okay. Ms. Arnold. Arnold: Gary do you know what - you mentioned a gO-day delay at COMPASS, do you know what caused that delay and whether or not that could change? Inselman: Don? Kostelec: At the "Discover COMPASS" board meeting COMPASS staff presented a series of items for the board to basically give their blessing to - I want to say seven or eight of those nine - didn't get that blessing, but there were two that did not and one was the prioritization of projects and the project list that was in there and so with that the board adopted a motion to delay it for 90 days (inaudible--- ). Franden: Okay, anything else? I don't if we all understood the ramifications or if these ramifications are that negative in waiting for those 90 days. De Weerd: I made the suggestion that I thought 90 days was too long, but you know we don't have that transportation of (inaudible) not quite as intense and so I had to really go with the comments from others and you know we have been reviewing impacts all along the way with Anna and Steve. They have been very active in steering them as well as some blue prints. So, the projects that were Meridian City Council & ACHD Special JoinUWorkshop Meeting January 9, 2006 Page 12 of 19 there, you know that made our analysis and comments and you can always analyze things to death, but we were comfortable - we had some concerns, but we were ready to vote for it. Thirty days, in our opinion was long enough, but the vote has been done and now we just live with the extra 90 days. Franden: However, if the ramifications of that vote are so negative, it always can be readdressed. McKee: And at the next meeting we can certainly bring it up and say by the following meeting we want it done. Ninety days does seem a little extraordinary. (Inaudible discussion) Franden: Could I ask Katey and Don and maybe Steve or whoever is appropriate to think about that over the next week or so and give us some advice on whether that should be readdressed, that particular vote to wait the 90 days or is it okay to go that 90-day period or what are really the ramifications? (Inaudible discussion) (Speaker unknown): So, the next meeting it will be another 30 and that will be your 60. So, that would work. Franden: Okay, anything else on this subject? All right. Next is update on Locust Grove Overpass and the extension. (Inaudible). De Weerd: I guess as we prepare to hear the update, I just again, would like to reiterate we know what ACHD has done for this project and you know it is something that I am sure you have spent a great deal of time on and certainly I do and Steve does in explaining transportation projects to the public and how flax and difficult and not very timely it sometimes appears. I know that ACHD has really gone out on a limb and I really appreciate it. We did put a substantial amount of money towards the project and because of that you have been great champions of that and we appreciate that. Item 4. Update on Locust Grove Overpass & Update on Locust Grove Extension from Franklin to Fairview: Kuperus: Good afternoon, I am Dale Kuperus and I am the Project Coordinator for the Locust Grove Overpass and happy to report that the final PSC pack went over to ITD before Christmas. ITD is going to be doing their review and then the project should be out on the streets for bids, but probably the next 60 to 90 days to do their review and the paperwork that they have to do. That should be out for bids probably early spring. Locust Grove from Franklin to Fairview will be out on the streets for bidding in two weeks and will open bids around the first week of February and starting two weeks after that. Meridian City Council & ACHD Special JoinUWorkshop Meeting January 9, 2006 Page 13 of 19 Franden: So from Franklin to Fairview they will have five lanes? Kuperus: Umm huh. Franden: And you say construction could start as soon as --? Kuperus: From that part it will start about the 24th of February, I believe and it will go till probably the middle of August. We'll put the signal at Pine and the railroad crossing up (inaudible----). Franden: And then on the overpass, say ITD could be through within 60 to 90 days? Kuperus: Usually that's their timeframe that it takes for them to do their PSC package and get it out on the streets. Franden: And so will they be the ones that are coordinating the bid process and the construction? Kuperus: ITO will advertise, bid, award and manage the construction of it since it does go over the Interstate and (inaudible) about that and would want to watch that. We will be watching signal installation and that type of thing, but our involvement will be limited. Bird: What is the construction length of time do they consider putting the overpass along --? Kuperus: Probably nine months to a year. Bird: Nine months to a year? Franden: So, possibly sometime next year at this time to be completed? Kuperus: Yes. Franden: Further questions for Mr. Kuperus? No. Thank you, Dale. Okay, Don or Katey. Item 5. Summary of Meridian Area Projects in FYWP: Levihn: Okay our five year program is up for formal adoption on June 18th, so this is an advanced - (Inaudible discussion) Meridian City Council & ACHD Special JoinUWorkshop Meeting January 9, 2006 Page 14 of 19 Levihn: Well, I have tried to summarize the projects here and we are also - I will have a couple of little notes that you know aren't real obvious in here. First of all, you can look down and on the right hand where you can see "new" in large capital letters, those are all projects that are new to this five year work program from the last program and I have also shown where the construction years have changed. So, I can just quickly kind of run down from the top to the bottom and give you a few little notes and information, unless you want me to do it a different way. Is that okay? Eagle, Victory to Ridenbaugh is still in the same year for construction in '07 at five lanes. Then the next three projects you will see are the Fairview Avenue projects. They were in unfunded and they now have moved up to PD. That means if they are in PD for construction that this is the '07 to '11 program construction may occur in 2012 or 2013 and that is at seven lanes. If you look down to the next grey bar where there is study, you will see that before then in 2008 we are going to start sort of the concept study from Meridian all the way to Maple Grove because Fairview is scheduled to go to seven lanes through most of the county over the next few years. That study will help us look at drainage, traffic, utility issues - work with the cities on what type of cross section that they would like to see and that sort of thing. The next group of projects is all on Franklin Road. You will see on the notes over on the right that two of those are federal aid projects, so we have some restrictions with the federal aid process. Black Cat to Ten Mile was in PD and has stayed in PD. You will see that Franklin, Ten Mile to Linder change from 2010 to 2011 because of funding issues with the balancing committee meeting and of course there is a new one from McDermott to Black Cat - all of those going to five lanes. Linder, Franklin to Ustick has been - De Weerd: Just before we move on, now if you had a public/private partnership on that would that help it move up? Similar to what you did to EI Dorado, Silverstone, those areas? Franden: My guess is yes, but Katey? Levihn: Is there one in particular that you are talking about? De Weerd: Well, probably in the area of Ten Mile from Linder to probably Black Cat. Levihn: Yeah, probably the public/private partnership would help. If it's on one of the federal aid ones, it's complicated, but we could probably clear that out somehow. You know because the private sector moves much faster than federal aid does. Franden: Especially, if they are impact fee knowledgeable. De Weerd: And which they are because their on CIP. Meridian City Council & ACHD Special JoinUWorkshop Meeting January 9. 2006 Page 15 of 19 Levihn: I think most of them are because the ones out on the edge may not be, but I think they are coming up in the CIP, but I would have to check on it. De Weerd: At least in that Ten Mile area, Linder to Black Cat? Levihn: Yeah. Linder, Franklin to Ustick at your request to try to get the split corridor in, we have delayed that from 2009 to the unfunded, so it would be in 2014 or out, but I do want to point out under the intersection two thirds of the way down, we did keep the Linder, Ustick intersection in there in 2008. So - and Linder, Pine. We have had both of those intersections scheduled in there for 2008 and 2009, with the roadway, part of it delaying. Siddoway: I would also like to point out that unfunded doesn't mean no activity. It means the construction is unfunded, but there can still be working on design and right of way during that five year - Levihn: --in the preliminary development usually. Unfunded doesn't mean it is totally unfunded, okay. McMillan, Locust Grove to State Highway 55 that was not in last year's program, it is now got either design or right of way work in preliminary development with the construction unfunded. That is a new project. The Meridian split corridor phase 1 and 2 - do have actually some good news - due to large impact fee collections our revenues went up so we were able to put more projects and plus you asked us to consider delaying Linder, Franklin to Ustick and freeing up some money so we did get that into the program. It was not in last year of course, it was just adopted just about a month ago by our Commission and phase 1, which includes the Meridian, Waltman, Central intersection from the south up to Franklin Road is now programmed to 2009 and phase 2 following on in PD. It shows the total current estimated amount being programmed into the five year work program and I know we approached the City of Meridian about some funding issues with that because of economic development side, but we haven't had time to talk about it. So, we will be talking about some of the funding issues on those split corridors. Overland, Linder to Meridian it is staying in 2007. Made a little note there, Overland, Ten Mile to Linder I know that their concerns with the Ten Mile interchange going in, it ranked just off of our chart to be put into the program, but we are watching that and if I go down through the Ten Mile projects, you will hear about some of the things we are doing with ITD to try to get a complete system around the Ten Mile interchange. So, the next group of four projects is all related on Ten Mile Road - Franklin to Cherry stays in '07 - Cherry to Ustick moves from '08 to '09 in part to get some of that work on the split corridor done. Ten Mile, Overland to Franklin, we show it as unfunded. What we have done is approached ITD, the logical termini for the interchange are from Overland to Franklin and we have proposed that they include constructing that entire roadway, plus the intersections on either end - the Ten Mile, Overland and the Ten Mile, Franklin with the GARVEE project for whenever that gets ready to be done. They have come back and said, "well, would you give us some money from your impact fee collection"? and we Meridian City Council & ACHD Special JoinUWorkshop Meeting January 9, 2006 Page 16 of 19 have tentatively said yes and none of this has been through the board for approval, but we realize those projects have to be very carefully tied together and we have also notified them - down below under intersections you will see Ten Mile and Franklin. We had originally, in fact it was partway through the design on that, it applied by five intersections - with the interchange coming in we expect a lot more traffic. We are now going back and redesigning that at a 7 x 7. We plan to construct that in 2007 and are also working out some planning arrangement with ITD for that because of the interchange that we would have to go to a much bigger intersection and it's kind of an expensive intersection to do - a couple of million dollars. Ten Mile, Victory to Overland that is also kind of tied to the whole GARVEE thing and we will be watching that to try to get that completed as well as we can. You will see two projects (inaudible) growth just showing up. I am sure you noticed we are beginning Ustick Road on the east bend of the county, kind of working west. (Inaudible discussion) Levihn: Anyway, so that is your end of Ustick starting to show up in the program and to get some work. I have already talked about the Fairview concept study. A new thing that popped up with us is this Amity round-a-bout concept study. I don't know if you know any. In Canyon County, Nampa is proposing putting in a round-a-bout down at Amity and so we have met and talked with them. We are starting to get much more heavily looking at two county travel and it seemed like a good idea for us to look at Amity Road in a concept site through the south there - the connection between the two counties and the possible use of round-a-bouts at some of those intersections. So, your input on that will be sought and looked for. We don't know what the configuration of the road or anything will be at this point. Bird: How many are you looking at Katey along there? Levihn: We don't know, Councilman because that is part of what we are looking at. For instance, Amity at Ten Mile with the heavy traffic from the interchange, a round-a-bout mayor may not work. You know that is kind of an engineering decision that has to be looked at. Amity and Meridian or Eagle is the same issue that would occur there. So, we are not sure. Maybe the ones in between. Maybe a round-a-bout could work. We just have to look at the traffic projections. Bird: Distinctly nice if they are strung out enough apart - the road (inaudible------ --------------------). (Inaudible discussion) Levihn: Our current thinking is where there is an interchange on the freeway it may not be suitable. But, we do have to take a better look at that. Then there is a whole list of intersections on Main, Waltman, Meridian and Central of course is Meridian City Council & ACHD Special JoinUWorkshop Meeting January 9, 2006 Page 17 of 19 going to be part of the phase 1 split corridor. So, it's tied to that in 2009. We moved that up and everyone is anxious for that. Overland and State Highway 69, we currently had it programmed in 2007, because of the State Highway connection, that is a cooperative with lTD. We are experiencing some pickups that may turn into pretty major ones with ITD and their funding. They - with the GARVEE bonding and redoing their entire program, these intersections that we have done jointly with state fund, they now proposed with federal fund and this does not give us enough time to do this intersection with federal funds in that amount of time. So, we are trying to figure out the funding on that. Ustick and Locust Grove is a new one that has been put in there for construction unfunded - (inaudible---------). Then running down these intersections - I don't know that would be - oh, we are starting to see some of that north Meridian area pop into all of our prioritization that would only be accepted. So, you see three McMillan intersections, but we proposed in there that are new - kind of as a result, partly, is the north Meridian study. We are working closely with developers along that corridor and there is a possibility these could go sooner through development, but we wanted to keep an eye on them and start looking at the configuration that we are going to require. So, I know Gary has been working on those with development. Gary, did you want to add anything else? We are aware of it and we are working on it. Hopefully we will get them done sooner. De Weerd: Ten Mile and McMillan came up in a development application. Levihn: Right. You will see they are down there under Ten Mile, actually. That is the fourth one that is new. The others were listed under McMillan, but under the group that is Ten Mile, it does show Ten Mile and McMillan. So, all four of those, I should say. Pine and Linder we already discussed. State Highway 69 and (inaudible) that is another one working with ITO, although we are going to proceed on that because we are putting four legs on Victory and probably not affecting State Highway 69. Then there is the series of Ten Mile ones. Three of them new in the program, the one with McMillan we already discussed with Amity and Victory as well. They are out there in the future, the Amity one we will look at the round-a-bout concept study and see what is going to go in. Then we have one, two, and three on Ustick, two of which are new. The Ustick, Linder one we already discussed. We will keep that in the program and delay the roadway. Ustick and Meridian, Ustick and Ten Mile are all starting to show up in that north Meridian area. Bivens: This is consistent with Meridian's priority. Levihn: Yes. Bridges: a small bridge on Victory Road. We have two community programs. The second one we are reapplying for the second time for the (inaudible) enhancement application down on 8th street there. Hopefully, these are a little bit more successful this year. Then there is a downtown traffic signal upgrade to tie that system better together through fiber optics and get that working better. Okay? So, we have tried to address a lot of your concerns. I Meridian City Council & ACHD Special JoinUWorkshop Meeting January 9, 2006 Page 18 of 19 know we probably haven't hit them all and certainly not as soon as you would like to see it, but we are trying to work in that direction. Siddoway: I just want to take a minute to thank Katey and Don, one for putting up with me. Do you feel heard as a city? I do as a city staff. I feel like ACHD has heard our requests. This morning, I pulled out our request list from October that we went through and formalized as a city and out of 22 requests, you know, 14 have specific action in this document. Our top five requests are all in the document with construction and funded years. So, all of our top priorities are in the planning constructions years. Many of our other requests have also made it in. Take a look at the list of new projects that have added in this year that we haven't had in the five year program before. I feel very strongly that ACHD is responding to the needs of Meridian. Franden: Questions for Katey? Levihn: We will try to keep you updated. We work with staff on the funding on the Meridian split corridor and we will do our best on those ITD's joint intersections. (Speaker unknown): There is one mistake that should be corrected. It's the last one under projects and Ustick, that was supposed to be a PD instead of 2008 and five lanes instead of seven - Levihn: Anything else? De Weerd: I would like to ditto what Steve has said. I know Steve has a great working relationship with your staff. We appreciated the improved communication and we loved having Gary at our meetings. We appreciate the awareness and I think the thing that really has created awareness is that Meridian's plight is not just due to Meridian's growth, it is the Valley's growth and certainly a lot of the congestion and the constraint come from Canyon County as well. The lack of access to the east / west movement has Canyon County really moving through ACHD's roads and it is really causing additional strain and so the (inaudible) with getting the red out, I think it really opened a lot of people's eyes that what you need to do in Meridian is not just because it fits Meridian it's because of the central location and the amount of trucks that are traveling on it. So, it has been a beneficial, educational process for Meridian and better communicating why we are so overwhelmed with the amount of cars and the traffic and I think it would be the same statement for the west (inaudible) too. I think (inaudible) sometimes forgets that west Boise owns the Boise (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion) Bivens: Yesterday afternoon about 2:30, we went west on Overland Road from Cloverdale to Eagle and I looked to the south and this is Sunday afternoon and I Meridian City Council & ACHD Special JoinUWorkshop Meeting January 9, 2006 Page 19 of 19 looked at the cars in the parking lot at T-Mobile and holy mackerel, I couldn't believe it. The number of cars that are there on a Sunday afternoon, apparently they are working. What is the employment out there now? Does anybody know? (Speaker unknown): Oh, it's huge. That is where I worked and it's getting worse everyday. It is getting very congested. It may be what we need to do with Victory and Eagle and all that through there is have to widen it all the way through Meridian and back through Boise. De Weerd: I just wonder if they are also trying to respond through the shift work as well that would help minimize the peak hour traffic and I think it helps. Franden: Well, I think speaking for the Commission, what you echoed we echoed back to you and it's really enjoyable to work with the City of Meridian and the staff and the elected officials. As you all know we have six cities in the county and each one is different and we have pushes and pulls as you have different pushes and pulls and it has been very enjoyable. We just try to do the best that we can. Anything else? Don? Okay, we are adjourned. Item 6. Other (time permitting): MEETING ADJOURNED AT 1:15 P.M. (TAPE ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS) APPROVED: ATTESTE' 2- / ! 4-/ tJ6 DATE APP,~~~~,{~~¡.';'"" \.~"'.,..,,,~, '...;".'.'. "';:;.. ~.. 0""' ..>I'V>"'" '"(0, ;; "' ..~ "",..-V'I",! ,,'" :: .¡pc)", 4~'" '::;. ( ~ .-:..~~;O\ , . ,E}::: T'ßC ,,~,~ ~ ")""- l' i';:~ . .f ~' ~ '~~ """'-- ~,'ï(- ,': .1', ðr... n - \V...... ',f¡f, ,-~1"'l. ", 1'1'{/ ,\" '1/'/"""11'"