HomeMy WebLinkAbout2021-08-24 Regular Minutes Item#4.
Meridian City Council August 24, 2021.
A Meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order at 6:02 p.m., Tuesday, August
24, 2021, by Mayor Robert Simison.
Members Present: Robert Simison, Joe Borton, Luke Cavener, Treg Bernt, Jessica
Perreault, Brad Hoaglun and Liz Strader.
Also present: Chris Johnson, Bill Nary, Joe Dodson, Alan Tiefenbach, Brian Caldwell,
Joe Bongiorno and Dean Willis.
ROLL-CALL ATTENDANCE
Liz Strader _X_ Joe Borton
_X_ Brad Hoaglun _X_Treg Bernt
X Jessica Perreault _X Luke Cavener
_X_ Mayor Robert E. Simison
Simison: Council, we will call the meeting to order. For the record it is August 24th at
6:02 p.m. We will begin tonight's regular City Council meeting with roll call attendance.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Simison: Next item is the Pledge of Allegiance. If you would all, please, rise and join us
in the pledge.
(Pledge of Allegiance recited.)
COMMUNITY INVOCATION
Simison: Next item --we did not have anyone signed up under the community invocation.
ADOPTION OF AGENDA
Simison: So, we will move on to the adoption of the agenda.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: I move that we adopt the agenda as published.
Hoaglun: Second the motion.
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Simison: I have a motion and a second to adopt the agenda as published. Is there any
discussion? If not, all in favor signify by saying aye? Opposed nay? The ayes have it
and the agenda is adopted.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
CONSENT AGENDA [Action Item]
1. Approve Minutes of the August 10, 2021 City Council Work Session
2. Approve Minutes of the August 10, 2021 City Council Regular Meeting
3. Apex Southeast Subdivision No. 1 Sanitary Sewer and Water Main
Easement No. 1
4. Creason Pedestrian Pathway Easement - Waterbury Park Subdivision
5. TM Crossing Subdivision No. 5 Sanitary Sewer and Water Main
Easement No. 1
6. TM Crossing Subdivision No. 5 Sanitary Sewer and Water Main
Easement No. 2
7. Full Release of Easement for 1256 and 1308 S Rackham Way
8. Final Plat for The Landing No. 13 (FP-2021-0040) by Rock Solid Civil,
Located at 660 S. Linder Rd.
9. Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law for TM Creek Apartments Phase
3 (H-2021-0035) by Brighton Corporation, Generally Located South of
W. Franklin Rd. and East of S. Ten Mile Rd.
10. Development Agreement Between the City of Meridian and Triple D
Development, Inc. (Owner/Developer)for Prevail North Subdivision (H-
2021-0021), Located at 5150 S. Meridian Rd.
11. Development Agreement Between the City of Meridian and Viper
Investments, LLC; Open Door Rentals, LLC; Corey Barton; Endurance
Holdings, LLC; Schweiger, Gary R. and Schweiger, Judith L. Trust; and
Johnson, Casey J.L. (Owners); and Challenger Development, Inc.
(Developer) for Foxcroft (H-2020-0113), Located Directly West of Ten
Mile Rd., on Both Sides of the Proposed Pine Ave. Extension and East
of the Ten Mile Creek
12. No Build Easement and Agreement Between the City of Meridian and
the Joseph B. & Carolyn R. Chandler Trust 3120/20
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13. Renewal of Agreement for Fire Department Communication Dispatch
Services Between the City of Meridian and Ada County for Fiscal Year
2022
14. Resolution No. 21-2282: A Resolution Vacating a Public Utility,
Drainage, and Irrigation Easement That Was Initially Established with
the Mussell Corner Subdivision (Recently Replatted as the Victory
Commons Subdivision No. 1) Situated in Government Lot 4 of Section
19, Township 3, Range 1 East, Boise Meridian, Ada County, Being
Located in Lots 1, 2 and Lot 4, Block 1 of Mussell Corner Subdivision
on File in Book 95 of Plats in Pages 11624-11626, in the Office of the
Recorder, Ada County, Idaho; and Providing an Effective Date
15. City of Meridian Financial Report - July 2021
Simison: Next up is the Consent Agenda.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: I move that we adopt the -- or approve the Consent Agenda, for the Mayor to sign
and for the Clerk to attest.
Hoaglun: Second the motion.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to approve the Consent Agenda. Is there any
discussion? If not, all in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay? The ayes have it
and the Consent Agenda is agreed to.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
ITEMS MOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA [Action Item]
Simison: There were no items moved from the Consent Agenda.
PUBLIC FORUM — Future Meeting Topics
Simison: Mr. Clerk, anybody signed up under public forum?
Johnson: Mr. Mayor, there were no signups.
DEPARTMENT / COMMISSION REPORTS [Action Item]
16. Public Works: Proposed 2022 Solid Waste Fee Discussion
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Simison: Okay. Thank you very much. So, we will move into Department/Commission
Reports. So, Item 16 is Public Works proposed 2022 solid waste fee discussion and we
will turn this over to Joanna.
Hopson: Good evening, Mayor, Council Members. Before I speak this evening about
rates, I would like to introduce our solid waste coordinator Sarah Schultz. She started
this week on Monday. Thought it would be good that you can recognize her face. Before
I -- I want to -- in two weeks Republic Services will be presenting their fiscal '22 rate
proposal to you. This year there are two fees that have MOUs attached to them. One is
the continuance of the recycle processing fee and the other is a one time market labor
adjustment. Those MOUs have been sent to you through e-mail in advance. This evening
we are not asking for any action, but wanted to provide you with the opportunity to outline
any questions or information that you would like us to prepare for the presentation that's
in two weeks. So, please, if there is any information that you would like us to add let me
know.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Thank you, Joanna. I know one thing that came up in the discussions for the
SWAC committee was getting a schedule of all of the cities -- some of our surrounding
cities and what they pay on residential. So, I was hoping you would have -- have that
maybe in a couple of weeks for context.
Hopson: I do have that information. I don't have it with me, but we can make sure we
include that.
Strader: That would be perfect. And, then, maybe just -- maybe just like a little flavor or
background for the discussion --
Simison: That's what I was going to go to, see if you wouldn't mind summarizing the
information that's been provided to Council for the public and the record.
Hopson: Absolutely. Actually, I brought Republic Services in this evening, so that they
would be the best to describe the rates that they are requesting.
Simison: Okay.
Nary: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Mr. Nary.
Nary: Mr. Mayor as Republic Services representatives are coming, just to give context to
the Council -- so, we have had an ongoing collection services contract MOU dated back
a number of years and their predecessor SSC was the recent one that we did some
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amendments to and since Republic Services has been our provider since 2012 we have
had a few occasions to have some MOUs memorialized -- some of it was to memorialize
existing services that had already been provided previously, but it had never been
memorialized in a document, predominantly dealing with recycling, but the -- the two that
are in front of you -- one, again, is a continuation of-- as Joanna mentioned -- a few years
ago we started doing a small charge because of where recycling had landed worldwide
and the cost of both -- not just the collection, but the processing of recycling had increased
significantly and the return had diminished significantly. The city agreed annually to
review that request from Republic to share some of those costs of the processing fees.
So, that's what that MOU is capturing. The second one, again, is a new fee that Republic's
asking to add to the base rate and, then, again, asking the city to share in that -- some of
that cost of-- basically around the collection side. Again, I think Republic can get to more
specifics in what our intention, again, to come back in two weeks to do a full blown
presentation after we have noticed the fees appropriately as required by code before they
can be implemented. So, that's kind of the background of where we are today and so
can turn it back over to Republic.
Simison: Thank you. If you can state your name and address for the record or whoever
is going to be commenting.
Bennett: Okay. I am Bob Bennett, general manager, Republic Services. Address 1101
West Executive Drive in Boise. I'm going to comment specifically on the labor increase
and what is an ask. It's no secret that businesses -- not just here in the Treasure Valley,
but across the country are having a really hard time with labor today. It's a very big deal
and more specifically commercial drivers. It's a nationwide problem and one of our
challenges has been here in the valley everybody's scrambling to get drivers, so those
wages have went up. We have had people offered crazy amounts of money to jump and
so we started a process back in November of last year where we did a labor analysis to
make sure that we were at or slightly above market and we were able to not just get the
best candidates, but retain the talent that we have got on our team. So, you know, one
of the things that, you know, I have noticed since getting here -- when I started with this
company, when I would post a position I would get 25 applicants at least per position and
I have seen that change over time. So, we went through this -- this market adjustment
process. We actually did the adjustment already and what we are asking for is
consideration to share 50 percent of that adjustment through our rate increase this year.
So, Republic is going to, you know, take part in 50 percent and we are asking as a
business partner that Meridian takes 50 percent of that in their rates. I will tell you since
implementing this we are now in one of the best staffing positions we have been since
COVID started and provided everybody makes it through the background checks going
into leaf season this year we are going to be close to fully staffed, which is a -- you know,
hasn't been the case for the last, you know, couple years. So, I feel really good about it.
Our drivers -- and I have a passion for this. These men and women work really really
hard and we have got to pay them a wage that allows them to own homes, have a life,
raise their families and so thank you for your consideration. Are there any questions?
Simison: Thank you. Council, any questions?
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Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Mr. Bennett, I was just kind of curious, besides wages it is also benefits
packages or is it just primarily the pay rate?
Bennett: This is just pay rate. So, benefits, as our -- you know, we have our company
benefits package that doesn't change. What we did is for drivers across the board two
dollars an hour and for some of our other hourly employees it was less than that, but
somewhere around the dollar mark on average and we did it for all hourly positions.
Nothing in the management or salaried labor side.
Hoaglun: And, Mr. Mayor, just --
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: -- a comment was -- I remember I was on Council when previous contractor
came before us and announced that they wanted to switch out trucks and go to automatic
lifts, you know, and whatnot. So, I think that was a good decision back then, even though
some people were concerned about the loss of jobs and people, you know, out of work
when, really, that's the way you have to go, because you have less manpower and -- and,
of course, the weight that some of them lifted and what it did to their bodies, so, yeah,
anything we can automate now looks like is the way to go.
Bennett: Yeah. And we are going to continue to be an innovator with the automation,
because I agree with you.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Maybe just to give some background information, like additional background if
it's helpful. So, the way that our contract works currently -- it's based on 90 percent of
CPI and so that's the allowable increase that they can request. They have in the past
had a federal -- basically fuel offset credit that they have credited back to the city that you
could argue partially-- does it partially or wholly cover the cost of increase? Wholly covers
it?
Bennett: Almost exact.
Strader: So, there was some debate on SWAC about whether, you know, one path could
be to say, okay, just hold on -- let's not make a change, you can request, you know, CPI
and, then, you can just not cut us a check for the federal tax credit. There is also some
discussion about -- if we make this change ensuring it's for one year only and that it's not
actually added to the lease going forward. I think Republic would like it to be added going
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forward and there was some discussion on SWAC about whether that was appropriate.
So, I just wanted to give that, you know, kind of context for everybody. Some of the
discussion. My -- my question in -- not the last meeting, I was in another place, another
meeting, but the previous meeting my question was, you know, how much of the labor
cost are you passing through; right? So, you are running a business, very profitable
business, and Republic Service is doing well and some of our commissioners are
checking up on your quarterly financial filings and so forth to see how you are doing and
one of the questions I had was, you know, you need to do better, too, right, to control your
costs and manage your way through an inflationary environment. It's not realistic to pass
through like a hundred percent of your labor costs and so my primary question was how
much of this are you going to go ahead and take on the chin and eat into your own margins
and do things better and faster and more efficiently before you come to the City of
Meridian? So, I just wanted to kind of give that -- that background.
Simison: Thank you. Council, any additional questions for --
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: Bob, just a comment, I guess. I appreciate several things from -- from this. The
perspective that your company has taken to be proactive to ensure you have got the right
labor force to provide the services. There have been occasions in prior years when there
has been challenges and citizens are understandably irate and we get calls,
understandably so. So, you have been very proactive to -- to avoid that problem. So, I
commend you for that. You have been proactive in solving it first and not coming to the
city and, you know, solving it only if the city participates. I think that also -- it just shows
a good partnership and relationship with the city and, then, the -- the idea of-- of sharing
that expense, it's not all being passed on to the ratepayers necessarily, we are all sharing
the struggle with trying to have the manpower to provide the services that we are required
to provide. So, I appreciate that approach. I think it's consistent with the way your
company has been a partner with the city. Look forward to the discussion in a couple of
weeks, but that was well taken.
Bennett: Thank you.
Simison: Council, anything else?
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Sorry. Maybe just one more comment. So, I -- I think it makes -- I echo
Councilman Borton's comments and I think it makes sense to help you guys right now
through what has been a little bit of a shock probably to your business plan. I do think it
would be important context when we make the decision, if we are going beyond what our
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contract outlines that we get grounded in how much we are paying per resident, you know,
how much we are paying for each type of service compared to our surrounding cities to
make sure that if we are going outside of our contract we feel like the Meridian taxpayers
are still getting really good value for the service that -- that they expect. So, I just wanted
to state that.
Borton: Good point.
Simison: Thank you for being here and for the update and the service you provide.
Bennett: Thank you as well.
17. Finance Department: Fiscal Year 2022 Citywide Fee Updates
Simison: Next item on the agenda is No. 17 from our Finance Department. Fiscal year
2022 citywide fee updates.
Purser: Thank you, Mayor, Council. I will try and make this as painless as possible,
because we are talking about fees.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: You have had --you have had -- you have had a lot of practice up until now though.
Purser: Right. You know, I stretched before I got up here, so we are good. Appreciate
it. Thank you. So, today I stand before you, we have a total of 123 fee changes. To
break that down, you can see 121 of those are related to water meters, water repair fees,
those are basically to pass through. The price of X meter changed. So, we are rolling
that up, so we make sure we capture what we are paying for. We have one new planning
fee that -- a remand fee and, then, we have a building fee update. I think it's related to
QLPE. That one's contractual. It goes up like eight dollars and that's based on the
contract. So, in summary, that's the -- the total number. If we break this out a little bit
differently, when we look at the updates we have 28 of these fees are greater than five
percent, which means we have to notice these, which we will be doing over the next two
weeks. Forty-eight of them are less than five percent, so we don't have to notice those,
but will be included in the resolution, and we have 47 new fees, which I will break down
here in a few minutes -- or seconds hopefully -- that are -- that are new. When I look at
the -- at the fees that are greater than five percent and see that, you know, 28 of them are
related to the mentioned earlier fees that are basically a pass through, the building fee is
the one where it's just a contractual change. It just happened to be that the change is
greater than five percent than what we have been charging. When I look at the new fees,
you see about 46 of them are related to those fees that are strictly pass through and we
have one remand fee with our Planning Department that is new that we will be noticing.
So, with that the next steps really -- we need to publish those fees that are new or over
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five percent. I will be back in front of you again for public hearing after we have noticed
for two weeks, you know, seeking your approval and a resolution and whatnot on the fee
updates for the year and if we have the public hearing I'm setting up for 9/21 with the --
the idea that these fee changes would be effective October 1 . And with that I will stand
for any questions.
Simison: Thank you, Brad. Council, any questions at this time?
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: One question. It may not be for you, but that -- that remand fee doesn't have
a dollar amount associated with it. Am I --
Purser: It should be 705 dollars.
Cavener: Okay.
Purser: Sorry about that. That one must have not gotten included in that. We were
working on the --the basis for that, basically. There is like a little bit of clerk's time involved
with that and, then, you know, to re-noticing --there was something else. I can't remember
offhand, just because I'm standing up here.
Cavener: Fair enough. Maybe when we -- when we come back for the public hearing
just kind of clear the air on that particular piece if you can.
Purser: Yeah. I will do that.
Cavener: Thanks.
Purser: Thank you.
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Thanks, Brad. Just a couple of questions. When is the last time we updated
our fees? Does it happen annually? Does it happen every five years?
Purser: Thank you, Mayor, Councilman -- Council Woman Strader. We try to do this once
a year. We collect all the fees that need to change annually. So, it's an annual process
that we go through.
Strader: Got it. And, then, you know, I was looking at some of the fees in the schedule
and there were several that were changing by 40 percent or more. In one case for hydrant
meters it was like 70 percent. So, a significant change. What is driving the cost increase?
Is it the -- you know, commodity prices or the equipment costs? Is it labor? Is it both?
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Like -- especially with these ones where we are seeing a big change, kind of what are the
drivers of that?
Purser: Thank you, Mayor, Council Woman Strader. I do have Public Works here to help
with that. I believe it's simply pass through. So, you know, if you would like to come and
make comment on that, but my understanding was it's pass through on that.
Tiller: Yes, Council Woman Strader, it is pass through, but it has to do with the -- the
polymers of the meters, trying to get that at this particular point. It's just a general increase
each year. With the hydro meters in general --
Strader: Speak into the mic very close, because it's hard for everybody to --
Tiller: This one?
Simison: Either one.
Tiller: Hello? With the hydro meters in general it's --they have changed the design. They
are more modular. In the past we have been able to buy just say a meter register head.
Now they have built that into the whole measuring chamber, so that increases -- it's the
fact that that's the only thing we can now purchase for that particular meter.
Strader: Got it. So, there -- really you just have one option available. The manufacturer
has increased the price and it's a pure pass through in terms of whatever equipment --
whatever we -- whatever price we get we simply pass that through.
Tiller: Correct.
Strader: Okay. And do we add any additional charges for labor or anything?
Tiller: No --
Strader: Okay.
Tiller: -- we do not.
Strader: Thank you. Makes sense.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Before Dennis goes too far. You might answer this. Maybe you, Brad. But I
was just curious, you know, the bottom half of this they talk about new fees and it's
adapters and bushings and different things. Is this -- is this because of some changes in
the types of things used or are they because we are breaking things out now, where
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before it was just part of that meter and we knew that they needed that stuff? Tell me a
little bit about the new fees, what -- why some of those are -- are there, so -- the five dollar
parts and whatnot.
Tiller: So, yes, Councilman Hoaglun, that's -- that's a very good question. It's -- it's no
secret there is a lot of construction going on now and we are starting to see that in
damages to our utilities. So, these -- these new fees are to cover the cost of the different
fittings and materials needed to repair these utilities and we -- and we -- we are seeing
that -- that the little items, like these that you are seeing, are definitely adding up on these
repairs. So, we are trying to capture that cost and pass those along to those who have
damaged it and not onto our ratepayers.
Hoaglun: Okay. Good. Thank you.
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: What part of the discussion early on in the fee -- the fee update process includes
what fees to cut or eliminate? Is that part of the standing agenda for the annual review
of fees before we increase any of them?
Purser: Thank you, Councilman Borton. There are -- I don't have them listed here. There
are several fees that we are actually deleting or removing. I want to say that's above 20
-- between 20 and 30 1 think. So, there are fees that -- if we haven't charged are no longer
-- they are obsolete, you know, we do clean that up as part of the process.
Borton: Okay. And a follow up to that.
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: Is there -- is there a reason why when we publish the fees that are changing by
five percent that -- since we are publishing anyway we don't publish all of them or include
publishing the ones that are being eliminated --
Purser: Great question --
Borton: -- if it's not required.
Purser: Yeah. Maybe that's a preference, Councilman Borton. You know, in one way we
will have all the changes in a -- in a resolution. We are required -- I think by state statute
to publish any new fee or any fee that is increased greater than five percent, so maybe to
cut down on paper, since there are a lot, but -- there is a preference either way, you know.
Borton: The reason I bring it up is I think part of -- part of the process that's important is
the validity in -- in the structure of what you go through to end up with these fees and it's
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not -- there is several steps that the public really doesn't see, we don't see, but there is a
lot of work behind the scenes that vets them and part of that important process that I think
it's helpful for the public to know is that you look at fees to reduce or look at fees to cut or
they are now obsolete. I think it's important -- an important part of the story and it lends
credibility to the end result, the same as any outreach you do to stakeholders. I just think
all of that is an important part of the story. So, if publishing it just makes the public more
aware that -- that some fees are going up less than five percent we are letting you know
and some fees are getting eliminated, it just -- it makes the public more receptive to the
process and, therefore, the end result. So, I appreciate you doing that. I'm glad -- I'm not
surprised it's part of the process, but I think it's really good stewardship to make sure that
anytime you can eliminate or reduce you do so. So thank you.
Purser: Thank you.
Simison: Well, if it's Council's desire to publish every fee, I would rather make a code or
policy change citywide, not just applied to here and put it in the ordinance if that's what
your desire is. I just can't tell. It's --
Borton: Mr. Mayor, it could be a future meeting. Just something to discuss, just it's -- it's
a notice concept where code has a minimum requirement, but you don't have to do it for
this one off, but there is an opportunity for us to provide additional notice that fees are
changed. Might be worth doing. It could be a future meeting topic.
Nary: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Mr. Nary.
Nary: Mr. Mayor, again, just for some context, Council, the -- the primary reason to not
publish every fee is cost. I mean, again, it's just an additional cost and it is very expensive
printing it. But to Council Member Borton's point, on the solid waste fees, Republic
absorbs that cost. So, they do print all the fees, regardless of whether they are -- well,
they, obviously, do new fees and increased by five percent, but even increases less than
five percent they print those as well. But they do absorb that cost, so -- so, we do do it
that way for those and we have done it differently for the citywide fees. But to your point,
Councilman Borton, I think it's true is that part of the conversation has to be that there is
-- there is a method to that. I mean, again, we don't simply randomly pick the number, I
mean it's based on some formula and math and accounting practices and needs, so, you
know, it is -- sometimes you will have folks that object to the cost of something that's 1,200
dollars, well, again, it's been vetted significantly and that is a cost recovery. So, that's --
they are not -- they are not making a profit, it's simply based on what it costs to process
that or notice -- notice up the public hearings and the notifications and all of those things.
So -- so, good -- good information for future discussions as to whether or not to do that.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
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Bernt: Maybe it's just as simple as, you know, having that discussion on the public record
during a presentation, just so that people are wanting to know what that is and what we
are cutting, like Council -- Councilman Borton mentioned,just maybe even just that I think
might be -- suffice.
Purser: We will do that.
Simison: Council, any additional questions on this topic? Okay. Thank you. We will see
you back here in --
Purser: Three weeks.
ACTION ITEMS
18. Public Hearing for Creason Creek Subdivision No. 3 (SHP-2021-0003)
by ULC Management, LLC, Located on the East Side of N. Linder Rd.,
South of W. Ustick Rd.
A. Request: Short Plat consisting of 2 buildable lots on 0.4 acres of land
in the R-8 zoning district.
Simison: -- a month. Okay. We will now move on to our public hearings for the evening.
First up is a public hearing for Creason Creek Subdivision No. 3, SHP-2021-0003. We
will open this public hearing with staff comments.
Tiefenbach: Good evening, Mayor and Council. Alan Tiefenbach, associate planner with
the City of Meridian. So, yes, this is a short plat for two lots. The subject property is just
a little less than half an acre. It is zoned R-8. It's located near the southeast corner of
West Ustick Road and North Linder. It's over to the southeast as you can see there.
have got these exhibits so -- because it's a little confusing, so I can sort of describe this
to you. In September of 2015 the subject property was part of the Creason Creek
annexation and preliminary plat. This plat consisted of 51 single family lots and eight
common lots on 16 acres. The entire property was zoned to R-8. At this time the subject
property was identified as Lot 1, Block 1. If you can see my pointer, this is the subject
property here. Again, it was identified as Lot 1, Block 1, and at the time it was designated
as a common lot for the purpose of a dog park. The first final plat for the subdivision
allowed 34 buildable lots. That was approved in 2016 and, then, there was the next filing,
which was filing two. That was approved for 13 residential lots in 2018. In 2019 the City
Council approved a modification to the previously approved final plat number two to
relocate the dog park. So, the dog park was originally here. This modification to the final
plat allowed this dog park -- let me close -- allowed this dog park to be moved over to
here and also adjusted the boundary to incorporate a little more land and it allowed this
lot to become two buildable lots. Originally this was buildable -- buildable lots. This one
was an open space. This was basically a land swap where this -- this dog park moved
over here and allowed this to be buildable. This increased the common open space
slightly. This current proposal now is a short plat to complete that subdivision that was
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allowed for that buildable lot and it would be, then, subdividing it into two new lots, 17 and
16. Access will occur by a common drive, which is here. Actually, our regulations say it
has to be a common lot. The applicant's aware of that. That will be, again, a tract for the
purpose of the drive. Staff has reviewed this short plat -- short plat for substantial
compliance. Staff notes, like I said, that the access is a -- is an easement -- I -- this is a
-- sort of a -- we asked the applicant to demonstrate how the buildable area would go
here just because of the strange configuration of the lot, which is what you see here. We
wanted to make sure they had adequate parking and that they were able to make the
parking work if they can. As I said, the -- the access right now is a common easement or
as UDC requires all common driveways to be on a common lot, we asked them to provide
this exhibit. One thing I want to mention is that we have received one letter in opposition
to this request. This is -- the issue that's at hand here is that the property owner directly
to the south was told during the hearings for the original preliminary plat that the property
-- the subject property was to remain an open space park, sort of like what I said.
However, when the final plat modification happened a public hearing and notification are
not required, so he wasn't sent notification, so he was not aware that this lot was
converted to be a buildable lot, which now it's, for the most part, entitled to do that. So,
believe the -- the -- the neighbor is here tonight to talk about that, but certainly he has an
issue he wants to express with that. Other than that, speaking purely from the code, it
meets all the regulations and, therefore, staff recommends that Council approve. And
would stand for any questions.
Simison: Thank you, Alan. Council, any questions? Okay. Would the applicant like to
come forward. If you could state your name and address for the record, please.
Unger: Mr. Mayor and Council, my name is Bob Unger. My address is 9662 West Arnold
Road -- Road, Boise, Idaho. 83714. And I represent CS2, LLC, who is the owner of the
property. I have gone through the staff report and we concur with the staff report and their
presentation and we also agree with the conditions of approval. So, we would stand for
any questions that you might have.
Simison: Okay. Council, any questions? Okay.
Unger: Thank you.
Simison: Thank you very much. This is a public hearing. Mr. Clerk, do we have anyone
signed up to provide testimony?
Johnson: Mr. Mayor, yes, Steven Kiser.
Simison: If you could state your name and address for the record and be recognized for
three minutes.
Kiser: Thank you. My name is Steven Kiser. I live at 1354 West Claire Street in Meridian.
My property backs up to this -- to this proposed amendment, which from the very
beginning I was told that it's a done deal and nothing I -- and none of my concerns would
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be -- ever be addressed to my satisfaction, but I wanted to bring my concerns here. I
can't read this very well. Concerning to existing dog park in Creason Creek phase one,
in 2016 when the sub plans were presented to the city, the -- the developer was -- was
told that in able to use this property and the --the property that he's giving as the alternate
dog park area, that they had to tile in Creason Creek from 13th Street over to Linder,
which would cover the whole thing, so that there would be access and he told me at that
time that it wasn't cost effective and that the -- the section that is in question today would
be -- remain a dog park and they told me that in person at the on-property land meeting
that they had. Oh, I'm sorry. And the sub was built and the dog park, which was presented
to the city as was constructed -- this took out the ditch that provided water -- our water
rights for irrigation to my subdivision out of play. We hadn't been using it for a few years,
but we still -- if I sold my land now I would have to tell them you have water-- water rights,
but you can't get to it anymore, because they built the houses here and stuff and nothing
was done about that. The -- I believe that the dog park should, then, belong to the HOA
that-- and all the --the people in that subdivision, because they pay the fees that maintain
the -- the management group, as well as the lawn care and pay the water and I presumed
the taxes as well. So, I don't understand how the original developer can come back and
say that he owns that land. It should be owned by all the HOA people in the subdivision
and I found out in talking with different neighbors that originally he did not own the land
that was the access -- it's only about 30 feet, but it's from 13th Street, which is where the
new driveway that has to be shared by these two -- two homes is now located. But after
the subdivision was built he was able to purchase that piece of land for a dollar from the
HOA that owned it and they -- they all -- the people that I talked to -- I went door to door
and asked them about it and they told me that they sold the land with the understanding
that this was going to remain a dog -- dog park for the area and that they use it and it's
my backyard, so I know that people use it and stuff and they were very upset about that,
because they felt like their agreement wasn't being followed. When the houses in
Creason Creek were being marketed I went through almost every open house that was
there and talked with the realtors and not one of them knew about the dog park there.
So, they -- they hadn't been told that this is -- which now, in retrospect, tells me that he
had planned this from the very beginning. The piece of land that is going to be a dog park
now has absolutely no access for a vehicle from all three sides. It's a big triangle there.
It has Linder Road and Five Mile Creek on one side, a subdivision on the other, and
Creason Creek on the other side -- that goes along the entire thing. So, the only way that
it will be able to be used at all is after the footbridge is built, which it isn't yet.
Simison: If you could conclude your remarks.
Kiser: Yes. Thank you. I guess that's about it. Thank you. I put it all in the e-mail I sent
out anyway.
Simison: Council, any questions?
Cavener: Steve?
Simison: Councilman or --
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Cavener: Sorry, Mr. Mayor. Sorry.
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor, I appreciate your -- Steve, I appreciate your comments, because the
e-mail that we had in the public record -- like maybe like an inch of the e-mail wasn't --
and so it wasn't able --
Kiser: Sorry.
Bernt: -- I wasn't able to read all of is, so I wasn't quite following exact -- but I -- thanks
for your comments. I understand what you are saying.
Kiser: I -- my last comment is I have lived in this -- in my property for 38 years, so I know
I'm prejudiced. I want a view and all this stuff, but I do -- every person that I talk to that
borders there do not want a two story house built there and, personally, I can't stand the
fence that they put in all the other properties, so I was wondering how I could have an
input to let that be known, too, so thank you.
Cavener: Councilman Cavener, do you have a --
Cavener: Steve, maybe one more question for you real quick. Sorry. You are getting --
you are getting your steps.
Kiser: I'm sorry.
Cavener: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Steve, you talked a little bit about that the dog park was
owned by the homeowners association.
Kiser: Wouldn't it be if they paid the fees to -- my -- I always thought that when they put
a park in the subdivision or whatever the subdivision owns it, not the developer that can
come back four years later and say, hey, I want to put a couple more 550,000 dollar homes
on this.
Cavener: Mr. Mayor, maybe a follow up. Steve, what -- you indicate in your testimony
that -- that you said the homeowners association sold the land for a dollar. Is that the
same homeowners association or --
Kiser: One that owned that strip of land, which -- there were two brothers that owned the
land. One of them subdivided his six years ago and that included 13th Street and the
second one died just a few years ago and now his property is subdivided, so --
Simison: Council, any additional questions? Okay.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
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Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: I know we will have the applicant come and discuss it further, but just so he has
the benefit of the question and answer here to Alan, one of the things I'm curious about
is that these -- these homes will be along the Creason Lateral and the driveway and I
noticed in the agency comments there weren't any comments from Nampa-Meridian
Irrigation District. I didn't know if it's because of the short plat situation or what, but, you
know, there is that requirement along laterals and ditches of a certain amount of easement
on both sides from the centerline of -- of those facilities, so I want to make sure that
everything is copacetic with the driveway and buildings and everything else for that, since
I didn't see their comments on this.
Tiefenbach: Thank you, sir. Alan Tiefenbach, associate planner. If you are looking at this
plot right now there is easement for the Creason Lateral, that's what you are seeing.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor and Alan, follow up. Okay. That -- it's easement, see note 11. That
20 feet is -- is the driveway, then, is part of the --
Tiefenbach: Correct, sir. That's -- that's -- that's part of this property, but, actually, staff is
recommending that that easement -- we are not recommending -- the code says that we
no longer have common lots in easements, so what you are seeing there, the 20 foot wide
common drive easement, will need to be an actual lot, a common lot. So, what -- that's
our recommendation is that this be converted to a lot.
Hoaglun: Okay. I follow that. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Alan.
Simison: Thank you. Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor, thank you very much. Question for staff. I'm trying to figure out --
I have looked at just about every document in the -- in the file and I don't see where there
is pedestrian access to the other parts of that -- of the subdivision. I --this is phase three.
I assume that this is going to be a part of Creason -- Creason Creek overall. Can you talk
to us about what obligations there are? Is it different as a short -- part of the short plat
process or-- I don't see where this connects at all to the other portions of the subdivision.
Tiefenbach: I don't know if I would -- Council Person Perreault, I'm not sure if I would say
it connects to the subdivision, it connects to 13th Street. The -- the access to this lot is to
the east of 13th Street. I would have to defer to the applicant, but I do not believe there
is a pedestrian bridge or anything like that across this part, although I do know they are
building a pedestrian bridge across the park to the north. So, there is access off of 13th,
but not directly into the subdivision.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor, a follow up?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
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Perreault: If a resident lived in that location they wouldn't have direct access to any of
the amenities.
Tiefenbach: Again, I might defer that to the applicant. My understanding is you would
have to walk on 13th and go around and go in, but the applicant might be able to describe
that better than me.
Perreault: Thank you very much.
Simison: Is there anybody else that would like to come forward and provided testimony
on this item at this time, either in the room or anybody online? If you are online and you
would like to provide testimony use the raise your hand function at the bottom and we can
bring you in. We do have someone online who would like to provide testimony.
Johnson: Mr. Mayor, they are unmuted.
Simison: Can you state your name and address for the record?
Wilfong: Sure. It's Merrily Wilfong and my address is 1235 West Lowry Street. Can you
hear me?
Simison: And you are recognized for three minutes.
Wilfong: Yes. I'm in the subdivision to the east of Creason Creek. I'm in Southwick and
my house sits across 13th from the dog park and, anyway, we were given notification of
possibly multi-units going in there or, you know, single level dwellings and it just didn't
make sense to me, because of the close proximity to that canal there. I just think that
there is a lot of wildlife, there is a lot of -- we have seen raccoons over there, we have
geese, a lot of birds use that area and it just didn't make sense to make that a part of
Creason Creek Subdivision in developing it, adding more units there, instead of leaving it
as a buffer zone, because of the close proximity to that canal.
Simison: Okay. Council, any questions?
Wilfong: I -- I did leave a message on the phone as well for my testimony. I just -- I just
wanted to check in and hear, you know, how the hearing was going, how the committee
was going and what their views were on that. But I totally agree with the gentleman that
did make an appearance, that -- that backs up to that lot. I have seen many people use
it as a dog park and I don't know -- you know, that was presented at the time when I went
over there to discuss it with them, hey, what are you guys doing over here? They said
they were making a dog park, that they weren't going to develop that and I'm not sure
who I was talking to at the time, but -- and I wasn't even sure that was a part of Creason
Creek, because it's kind of divided by the canal there, but, anyway, I was surprised when
talking to a neighbor in Southwick, because he received a notification, too, as far as what
our views were and it just didn't make sense. I mean slam a couple of more single levels
in there and maybe earn some more tax dollars or, you know, the developer makes some
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money off it or a builder or whatever. It just -- it just is an odd piece of land there to really
consider developing and not leaving it as a buffer.
Simison: Thank you. Council, any questions? All right. Thank you very much.
Wilfong: You are welcome.
Simison: Is there anybody else who would like to provide testimony on this item at this
time? If not I will ask the applicant to come forward for closing remarks.
Unger: Mr. Mayor and Council, Bob Unger again. Just very briefly we are proposing --
you know, we do -- or we are building a new pedestrian bridge for the new location of the
dog park. The new location -- well, the old location was -- we kind of thought it was a
poor location as it turned out, because we were being told by the residents of Creason
Creek that nobody even knew it was there, it wasn't -- the word wasn't getting out. The
HOA didn't--wasn't aware of it and kind of based on that and also the fact that the location
-- the new location was originally identified for three future building lots and we decided
that the location -- the new location was a better location than the current one and with
the purchase of the common area, the small strip there on 13th from the adjacent HOA,
it gave us access to this lot to where we could produce two lots to make up for the three
lots that we got rid of, to put in the new dog park and also the new dog park is located
adjacent to the future nature park that was a part of our approval. That is to the west of
the dog park. We have already put in the pathways for that portion of the project and also
to the dog park area and as soon as we get the bridge installed, then, everybody will have
access to the dog park, the nature park, and also the children's park and everything will
be located in that area. So, all of our park amenities and everything will be in one general
location that everybody is aware of and they can find and they can get to and utilize. The
-- let's see. The lateral -- the Creason Lateral, which is to the north of this -- of the subject
site has been fenced. It has been fenced with a wrought iron fencing and that is
established on the easement of the lateral and it was approved by Nampa-Meridian
Irrigation District. Let me think here. I think overall, you know, this is -- this is a win for
the Creason Creek HOA and the residents of Creason Creek and it's also an opportunity
for the developer to recoup the -- some of his cost in the loss of the other three lots and
with that I will stand for any questions that you might have.
Simison: Thank you. Council, any questions?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Could you address that -- the question I had asked the staff regarding the
residents of these lots, how they would access the amenities, how they would access the
rest of the development by foot. Do they need to walk out onto 13th Street and, then,
come up across on Lowry?
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Unger: Mr. Mayor, Madam Perreault, the old dog park, okay, where we are currently
proposing to build two homes, that park had to be accessed via 13th Street, so you had
to walk up Lowry and, then, over to 13th and, then, into the park area.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Thank you. Yes, that answers my question. It's just kind of unusual for us to
see neighborhoods where individuals walk on to a public street to get to access other
parts of the neighborhoods amenities, but it's -- I understand that was always -- it sounds
like that was always the intent if that was going to be a dog park that --that everyone from
that neighborhood would access it on -- off of 13th. Was there going to be any parking
on that site? And can you talk to us about where individuals will park at the new dog site?
They have to be -- they have to access the actual lot by foot, but is there a place for -- for
residents to park their vehicles?
Unger: Okay. Mr. Mayor. The original dog park had -- had no parking, other than on 13th
Street. Okay? The new dog park, although we haven't specifically, put in any parking, it
is only a large cul-de-sac that goes nowhere. So, there is -- there is more parking there
than -- than there was on 13th Street and it's much easier to -- to access these parks via
foot traffic than -- than actually driving there.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor, if Alan could go back --
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: -- to the other slide that showed both. I'm just kind of curious on how that --
excuse me -- access -- excuse me. I'm assuming -- is there a pathway along the Creason
Lateral? Is that covered in where it matches the red area to the north -- northeast, the
angled part? Is Creason Lateral covered there and, then, it opens back up or how do
they -- to Council Woman Perreault's question, how -- how do they access that? It's not
real clear where that access point is?
Unger: Okay. Mr. Mayor, the -- the plan that he -- that is being shown by staff here is --
is not the correct phase two plan. Tumble Creek and the other street that is being shown,
which is Northwest 13th, which actually isn't Northwest 13th, there is a large cul-de-sac
there now. Okay? So, there is a pathway on the north side of the Creason Creek Lateral
and that has been paved. It's currently also being fenced with wrought iron fencing on
both sides of the lateral. In fact, I was out there today and our crew was out there installing
the -- the fence and where you have this -- this turn to the north, that is where the cul-de-
sac is and it -- well, it's actually a little further to the -- to the east. That's where the cul-
de-sac is and that is where the pedestrian bridge will be installed.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor and --
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Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: -- Bob, thank you for that clarification. Yeah. What you were saying and what
I was looking at just didn't seem to make sense. So, that helps quite a bit to know where
that cul-de-sac is and that's where the crossing over the Creason Lateral will be and it will
be fenced and open, so -- okay. Appreciate that. Thank you.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Question for the city attorney Bill Nary. There was a comment made that the
gentleman who was speaking had an issue that the ditch that provided his water rights
got to taken out. Do you want to just give some context as to how he would resolve that?
Nary: So, Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, Council Member Strader, yes. Idaho Code
requires that where ever the original source is that it maintain. So, if it's not, then, that's
an issue both with this developer, as well as with the irrigation district, if his source of
water has been cut off or diminished because of development. I don't know if that's true,
but that's where the redress would be, because certainly the code does not allow it.
Normally there -- they are piped and, then, they -- may be moved potentially, but that's
usually an agreement with the property owner as to where the source has to go. But,
yeah, certainly if there is an issue there that's a conversation with both of Mr. Unger and
the irrigation district.
Strader: Got it. Thank you. And so if -- if there is a concern that his water rights have
somehow been breached or removed or what have you, then, would that -- how would he
resolve that? Would that be with the irrigation district? Would that be in the courts? Like
how would that get --just for my own education.
Nary: Yeah. So -- Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, Council Member Strader, I mean
the first conversation he should have is with Mr. Unger. If he has gotten an access issue
that his access has been diminished or changed in any way by the development probably
that's the first conversation. Again, with the irrigation district -- the irrigation district can
enforce that as well. So, if he had an access to water that now no longer does, the
irrigation district will help enforce that as well to make sure his rights aren't cut off. So,
again, not knowing the --the situation on the ground, that's the two places he should start,
is conversation with the developer and the district.
Strader: Thanks a lot.
Unger: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Mr. Unger.
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Unger: If I could clarify on that, please. We did discuss this with Nampa-Meridian
Irrigation District when we were constructing phase one of the project and also putting in
the original dog park. We were told by Nampa-Meridian that people were pumping out of
the Creason Lateral for irrigation, which was illegal as far as they were concerned. So,
consequently, Nampa-Meridian didn't require us to do anything to provide access for
water for -- for these folks, because they were illegally pumping water from the ditch.
Now, that's what we were told. Certainly we can go back to Nampa-Meridian and clarify
it and if we need to do something we will do it.
Simison: Well, correct me if I'm wrong, I mean ultimately water rights it's not our purview
to make or not make decisions --
Unger: Right.
Simison: -- because it is a -- other party resolution through other means, so --
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Thank you. Totally agree. Was just for educational purposes for me and, then,
I thought for the gentleman that had the concern, so he would know kind of where he
could take that up. But I don't think that's a piece of our decision. But, hopefully, being
neighbors you guys can chat and it's always better to resolve things personally, but
whatever it is they will, hopefully, get worked out one way or another. Thanks.
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: To the question for legal to kind of frame the decision making, the final plat was
approved in 2019 where a lot of the content of discussion would come. Now, it's just a
short plat for this lot. What discretion, if any, does Council have to condition, approve,
deny or -- these are extremely narrow scenarios.
Nary: Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Members of Council, Council Borton, you are exactly
correct. I mean it appears that everything was discussed in 2019. I'm looking at the
original development agreement -- I wanted to just verify there wasn't any reason some
additional notice should have provided and -- and looking at the development agreement,
if I'm looking and I -- I'm a lawyer, not a planner, but if I take that dog park that was recently
proposed and swap it with that three lots that are down below and it connects it exactly
to the original open space that was part of the DA, the numbers seem to align as to what
was required by the DA. So, no DA modification was necessary to notify about the change
of the use at the time. So, at this juncture it is an entitled lot to build on. Really, the only
decision for the Council is whether or not the Council is okay with them basically
subdividing it into two lots and that's really the only decision point today. So, the fact that
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is a buildable lot has already been determined and just the issue is whether it should be
two.
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: With that is there discretion, if any, two -- it's a single buildable lot, but for the
right to short plat it into two and build two that come with conditions potentially or is this
truly administrative?
Nary: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, Council Member Borton, I mean normally the
plat conditions are -- already have been determined on the plat itself, so this is just really
are you allowing them to be two lots instead of one and, then, they would have to adhere
to all the other plat conditions that already exist.
Simison: Council, any additional questions? Thank you, Bob. Don't go too far. But let
you go for now.
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: Question for Alan. What's the -- the size of the lot when you factor in that
easement piece that has to be a -- its own lot? Does that count as the .4 or is it .4 minus
the amount that we have to cut out for the -- for the easement?
Tiefenbach: It's .4 minus. At the time that this came forward they had the easement
shown and they weren't aware that that had to be a common lot. That's a relatively new
regulation.
Cavener: Thank you.
Tiefenbach: Not relatively. It is a new regulation.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Question to Alan. So, what we are looking at here -- two -- two lots, 6,516 and
7,090 for the buildable portion and they meet all the setback requirements for -- for the
lots. They have a common drive. It looks like the parking is doable. Staff had asked for
that and to make sure that that was doable. So, that appears to be doable as well. So,
it -- it's just difficult to see what -- what issue there would be to not allow two lots to occur.
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Tiefenbach: Correct. We requested this exhibit, because it was a tight property and we
weren't exactly sure how they were going to make it work, especially with the easement
now having to become a common lot, but they have demonstrated to us that it will, in fact,
work and, actually, he could get a house 1,800 square foot footprint'sh there.
Hoaglun: Thank you.
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: Question for Alan. Were there any conditions in the staff report that this
discussion necessitates any change or update to or -- those conditions in the report still
remain part of the recommendation for --
Tiefenbach: Yes, sir. I think the only significant one was that it had to -- the common
drive had to be on a lot versus an easement. It doesn't change anything, if that's what
you are asking.
Borton: Just to make sure if there is a condition of approval that -- or a condition in the
staff report that if we need to reference it in a motion or not.
Tiefenbach: No. It would -- you would be -- if you are inclined to approve this you would
be approving this with the conditions as listed in the staff report.
Borton: Okay. Thank you.
Tiefenbach: I'm sorry, I didn't understand the question.
Borton: It wasn't very well worded. No worries. Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: If there is no additional discussion from staff or the public, I will make a motion
that we close the public hearing for Item 18, SHP- 2021-0003.
Hoaglun: Second the motion.
Simison: Motion and second to close the public hearing. Is there any discussion on the
motion? If not, all in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay? The ayes have it and
the public hearing is closed.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
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Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: This is as -- I have commented on it briefly. It's a very narrow application, narrow
consideration. I think the -- the adjacent property owner's concerns with regards to the
change in property was a 2019 discussion that we had to consider when the final plat was
modified. So, this now is to allow two buildable lots. Councilman Hoaglun I think hit the
nail on the head that the conditions in the staff report adequately permit the request and
I don't see any reason to deny it. So, I'm going to make a motion that we approve Item
18, SHP-2021-0003, as set forth in the staff report of August 24th, including the conditions
set forth in that report.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor, I will second the motion.
Simison: I have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion on the motion? All right.
I will ask the Clerk to call the roll.
Roll call: Borton, yea; Cavener, yea; Bernt, yea; Perreault, yea; Hoaglun, yea; Strader,
yea.
Simison: All ayes. Motion carries and the item is agreed to. Thank you very much.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
19. Public Hearing for Horse Meadows MDA(H-2021-0050) by Riley
Planning Services, Located at 710 N. Black Cat Rd.
A. Request: Development Agreement Modification to amend the draft
agreement approved with Horse Meadows Rezone and Preliminary
Plat (H-2020-0060).
Simison: Next item up is a public hearing for Horse Meadows, MDA H-2021-0050. We
will open this public hearing with staff comments.
Dodson: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Sharing my screen real quick. Okay. Good to go. All
right. The application before you tonight is for a development agreement modification.
The subject property is 4.7 acres in size. It's currently zoned R-4 and is located at 710
North Black Cat, which is the southeast corner of Black Cat and Pine. We discussed this
multiple times at the end of last year, so I'm sure you remember it. The subject site was
granted approval for a rezone and preliminary plat in late 2020. It was to rezone it to R-
8 and include a plat of 26 building lots. The existing access is actually on the south side
from West Quarterhorse Lane. It also provides access for three parcels to the east and
southeast. To help ensure this access was removed, a DA provision was included that
required all servient parcels to relinquish their rights to the private land easement prior to
submitting for final plat approval. One of the servient sites has declined to -- to relinquish
their easement rights and with the current DA language the refusal of one of these
easement holders to relinquish their rights functionally renders the property useless.
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Therefore, the applicant is requesting to modify the draft DA, so that they may submit a
signed DA and, then, officially rezone the property and continue platting it by submitting
a final plat and they will maintain the Quarterhorse Lane access for the one easement
holder until such time that that property redevelops, which, then, we would have the
opportunity to require that property relinquish their rights to it. As part of this DA
modification and request to amend the provisions of the concept plan for the green space
area abutting Black Cat must also be revised to show the travel lane remaining. In
addition to restrict access to and front Black Cat, the applicant is proposing to install a
gate approximately one hundred feet into the site from the edge of pavement that will be
accessed only by the city and the remaining easement holder. So, it will, essentially, be
access for emergency only access for the city and Public Works if they need to get to the
site from there. Very unlikely. And, then, the easement holder that is not wanting to
relinquish their rights. Staff does find that the requested changes to the concept plan are
feasible and that the latest circumstances with the easement holder not relinquishing the
rights makes it a feasible option to amend the DA and finds the proposal to gate the
access to Black Cat and keep the traffic as only one rural residential home through this
access as appropriate. Frankly, I believe that with a gate and maintaining the access they
will still use the public road internally and they just don't want to relinquish their rights right
now. That's where I think we are at at this point. There has been no written testimony on
this application. Therefore, staff does recommend approval of the DA modification.
Simison: Thank you. Council, any questions for staff?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Thank you. Thank you, Joe. Just wanted to clarify a couple things. So, this
is exclusive use and not ownership. Does that go away when that property is sold? It --
or is -- what are the limitations that -- is it exclusive use permanently or does -- is there a
limit on that once the property changes hands or the current owner is no longer the
owner? And, then, also how much does this affect that open space and is that property
still within it -- still within code? If I remember -- if I remember right this is -- their open
space was pretty substantial in comparison to what our code requirements.
Dodson: Council Woman Perreault, great questions. First, you are referring to the
servient site; right? The one that's not wanting to relinquish their rights?
Perreault: Yes, I am.
Dodson: Correct. Okay. So, as -- since they are in a county lot, if they were to request
annexation and plat we would require with that approval to say, hey, you don't need this
access anymore and they also -- that property, because it's the furthest one from the site,
actually has a public street connection stubbed to their site, their east boundary anyways.
So, there is multiple ways for them to get in and out should that site redevelop, which,
then, we would require them to close that access. This access. Or the rights to it.
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Secondly, this open space was in excess. It was extra open space. So, removing, frankly,
22 foot wide, which already exists as gravel, is going to make a minimal difference at all
in any of the open space.
Simison: So, how do we ensure this converts away from that roadway feature in the
future? You know, Google Maps is going to show this as a road and -- and that was kind
of my other thing is like why the gate at the back as compared to more at the front. I
mean, yeah, you don't want it too close so you are blocking traffic, but just curious.
Dodson: Mr. Mayor, the code would say the closest it can be is 50 feet. That's generally
what we have for emergency vehicles, any of the emergency accesses. So, if that's
something that the Council wants to do, to bring it a little closer to show that, hey, this isn't
really a road and you are not going to be able to access the site, that -- I can understand
that. I do believe that because it's a gravel road people might assume it's going to be
private and they -- they are not going to want to try to access those 26 lots that way
anyways and they are going to have the access off of Pine, which is what ACHD required.
Future, we have DA provisions in there that have proposed some new ones, as well as
the existing, that are going to say that -- basically as soon as it can be this will just be
closed off and be open space again. So, there is no timeline on that, unfortunately. It's
going to be heavily dependent on when the other site redevelops. Hence the dominoes
are falling.
Simison: I guess the question how do we ensure that it actually -- the gravel goes away
and it goes back to what it was originally intended? Who -- who is going to make sure
that occurs? Or is that not going to be an action if we move this, it's just going to be,
sorry, you are going to have gravel in its place for the rest of eternity.
Dodson: Great question, Mr. Mayor. I don't know how we specifically enforce it, other
than it is a DA provision, which is enforceable, as we have discussed with other projects
lately, but I will leave the applicant to answer that a little bit more in depth and see if they
have something else in mind to help us enforce that, because I understand your point.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Just a question. Have we ever like escrowed or reserved for something like
this? Is that how we would normally ensure that something happens or -- like I know
sometimes we bond for like landscape improvements. But that's kind of a different
situation. Just wanted some context.
Dodson: Council Woman Strader, good points. I don't think that we would be able to
bond for it. Usually this occurs on like a potential building lot and that's what how we can
get them to do it. Say, hey, this is a nonbuildable lot until such time that you get this. This
is not intended to be a buildable lot anyways. So, that kind of takes that approach out of
the equation. Unfortunately, I don't have a great answer for you on these questions.
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Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Not a question, but a comment. So, as most of you know I lived right next to
this for many years and frequently would see people try to drive down Quarterhorse Lane
thinking that it is accessing property back there and it doesn't. So, you see a lot of people
pull in there and pull out and pull in there and pull out. So, I agree with the idea of moving
that fence further forward. I think that would be really wise. I don't know that we can
require it unnecessarily, but I think it's -- would be a good idea to just make it even more
clear that that's a private lane.
Simison: Council, any additional questions for staff at this time?
Nary: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Mr. Nary.
Nary: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, I mean since this is a DA modification, where
the location of that gate is certainly is a consideration the Council can make, so -- on the
other question, the future enforcement -- again, it is a DA provision, so certainly it -- when
it comes to the city's attention that, again, that property is sold, that will come to our
attention that that property wants to get -- if it was to get redeveloped, I guess. It could
get sold as a house and remain a house. But if it wants to redevelop into something else,
certainly that access point will, then, trigger there -- again, it will be a little clunky; right?
It could be a number of years from now. You are going to be dealing with an HOA that
now is going to be required to move the fence and create a landscape portion in the -- in
the width of this -- of this road. So, it could be kind of clunky, but I don't have a better
solution. I mean, otherwise, you are simply-- again, not to put words in Ms. Constantikes
mouth, but you are going to let one property owner prevent the development of the entire
parcel versus putting that burden on the future HOA by the development agreement that
they will have to do that. Certainly it could go as far as the city having to sue them for
performance to do it, but there may be other considerations at that time that the -- that
they may want. By adding this to their future open space that may allow another buildable
lot in the subdivision or some other use of a subdivision. So, hard to know the future, but
that's kind of where you would be landing, so --
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: I don't know if this question is for staff or the applicant, but since it's been
owned by the development is -- are they responsible for maintaining this gravel road or is
there going to be an agreement with the owner -- the homeowner for maintenance?
Dodson: Council Woman Perreault, it is my understanding that because of the easement
it's maintained by the easement holders.
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Perreault: Okay.
Dodson: So, that that's the way that I read the easement, which is in the original file. I
didn't have them in the new file, but the original file that has the easement language in
there. The applicant will be able to clarify that for you as well.
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Mr. Mayor, yeah. Quick follow up there. So, if the easement -- I assume the
easement sort of travels along legally with that property; right? So, wouldn't -- if that
property redevelops, then, wouldn't -- at that time wouldn't they have the obligate --
couldn't we ask them to improve the gravel at that time then? Is that how that would
work?
Dodson: Council Woman Strader, I might default to Mr. Nary on that, but -- because it's
an off-site, but it is part of their easements, so I could assume if we can require them to
relinquish their rights to it we could probably require them to help assist in the cost of
resodding it. I'm not sure if by then the -- maybe fire will want that additional emergency
access. I don't know.
Nary: Yeah. I mean --
Simison: Mr. Nary.
Nary: -- Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council -- sorry. Again, a lot of great questions. I
don't know the answers. I mean definitely depending on what -- if it is simply going to be
redeveloped as a single house in the city it may be difficult to have them do significant
improvements. Again, as Joe said, there may be a desire at that point to still to have
emergency access and, again, the Council certainly has -- has already made a
determination once that without all of the -- of those properties relinquishing that access
the Council wasn't willing to move forward. Again, Ms. Constantikes is asking you to
reconsider that. Totally within your purview on whether to reconsider that original choice.
Simison: Thank you. With that we will ask the applicant to, please, come forward.
Constantikes: Thank you, Mayor and Council. Penelope Constantikes representing the
applicant. Post Office Box 405, Boise, Idaho. 83701 . On an amusing note, we have
been on a long and torturous trail with this project and so I'm glad that we are going to go
out with a bang here maybe today. So, as you know three of the four of the easement
holders were quite happy to sign the modification of the easement agreement and we
have one owner who is unwilling to do so. The stated rationale for that was it would be
inconvenient to have a different access point, so -- and we have that agreement ready to
record with the three different signatures at this time. We do appreciate the city's patience
and persistence in helping us work through this process. I have got lots of notes here, so
I will try and cover everything, but I would like to go over this image that you have on your
screen now. So, there is a little bit of discrepancy. I have put in 22 feet wide and the
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development agreement says 20 -- or the modification statement says 20. Either one is
fine. So, that -- that would be the area where the access would be retained for that final
property owner. There would be a locking gate. The reason I set that back at a hundred
feet is because as a former transportation planner I was concerned about vehicle
stacking, so if the property owner is pulling a trailer with a car on it, he would have
sufficient room to pull in and it would not block Black Cat Road. That's -- actually, if you
were interested in going on a little side trip, if you turn in here and, then, turn around and
come back out again, that's really a very hazardous intersection there. You have to be
very alert. People are coming off the stop sign on the railroad tracks on the south side
and they just goose their car and so they are driving fast. There are some trees that
obstruct the view. It's not a very safe intersection to begin with. So, I was thinking that
for safety reasons we would push that back as far as we could. We can certainly put a
sign up that says no residential entry or some kind of a sign that makes it obvious that
that's just for one residence. And, of course, the gate needs to lock and we were excited
that staff suggested this would be a good location for a second access for fire emergency
services and there will be a couple of manholes in here, so if the Public Works needs to
run a vac truck in there they have got someplace to do it. Then the third item is this three
foot open vision fence and we will put a pedestrian pass through on that, so that people
in the subdivision can get through the fence and use the asphalt pathway out to Black
Cat. In -- consistent with Meridian Code we would put a four foot closed vision fence
along the north side of that easement --or the new open space with the lattice if they want
the additional two feet, but -- and, then, just one other comment. Part of the discussion
with ACHD that happened off radar was that maybe not putting a sidewalk across that
gravel access drive at this time would be a good idea. The gravel is just going to chew it
up anyhow. So, that would come later. So, I'm going to try and answer your questions.
I talked about where the -- where we have decided would be a good place to put the gate.
The easement right runs with the land, it does not run with the owner in this instance, so
if the property owner was to sell their property to someone else that easement right would
be retained. How to assure that it would be closed in the future. I would echo Joe's
comment that they are more than likely going to be using our access out to Pine in fairly
short order and there is that tube that you can put across things with a counter and it's
easy enough to verify whether or not the property owner is using it. Looking forward into
ACHD's plans for expansion of Black Cat Road, I don't -- I can't speak for ACHD and I
understand that they are -- it's a little bit of a black box for them in terms of where their
rights are, but I do think that the highway district has the right to close things if they are
safety hazard and there is an alternative access point. So, I expect that when Black Cat
is expanded and this subdivision, assuming that it's actually built out, that it will be closed
through that process. That's the most likely one. And as Joe mentioned, this parcel back
in the corner also has access to the subdivision to the west -- or to the east of them. So,
they are not technically landlocked now. Let's see. What else? In terms of restoring that
area to open space in the future, it's about 2,000 square feet and it would be turf at this
time. So, we can certainly make it the responsibility of the HOA for Horse Meadows that
they are in charge of restoring that area when it converts back to open space. I will say
that the applicant went to an extraordinary level of effort to get this clarified and resolved,
including offering financial incentives and -- and I know that representatives of the
applicant went multiple times. I was there twice -- on two occasions with those meetings
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and it just -- we just -- we exhausted all of our options. The applicant's rep did go back
one last time and they asked him to leave the property. So, he didn't even have a chance
to ante up the -- the incentive. So, we -- we did work hard to try and get that resolved.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: I don't mean to interrupt, but if I'm remembering correctly, didn't you mention that
this was already an agreement when you -- when this application was first brought before
us?
Constantikes: Well, we were under the understanding that all four owners were
amenable.
Bernt: What does that mean?
Constantikes: That they were willing to sign the easement modification. One of them just
decided not to do it.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: What you are saying is is that after they just changed their mind. So, you -- you
had -- you had an agreement with this and, then, for some reason they backed out of the
agreement?
Constantikes: It was verbal. We talked to everyone and -- Dan might be able to answer
that question, because I --
Bernt: Ms. Penelope -- and I don't-- you will get your time. I don't worry about your time.
But I -- I just find it hard to believe that we would have allowed this to happen under, you
know, just the head nod and -- and a shake. I feels like there is just a lot of, you know,
potential problems with how this is working out.
Constantikes: I agree.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Could we --
Bernt: I shouldn't have asked. I should have waited.
Simison: Let's let the applicant continue if we can.
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Constantikes: No, I'm happy to defer to Council Woman. Go ahead.
Simison: Okay. Then we will go into Council questions at this point in time. Is there
anything else?
Constantikes: Nope. I'm happy to answer any questions you would like to toss my way.
Simison: Okay. Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Thank you very much. If I understand correctly that it was a condition for final
plat approval that had to be met, so it wasn't so much that the city -- I mean it would have
been great if you had been able to have that agreement signed before our City Council
hearing, but if I understand correctly was a conditional plat approval. So, somewhere
between the City Council approval and final plat approval was where the -- the neighbor
elected not to continue; is that right?
Constantikes: That's correct.
Perreault: I know you can't speak for him, but -- and I was kind of hoping that that
individual would be here, because I would really like to hear any -- just to understand if
there is any really important reason why they want to retain access. I mean that would
have been really great to -- to know. I would also like to say I have been doing this for a
long time and I think it's really great the effort that's been made here to -- to make this
work for -- for the neighbor, because it's -- it's really hard to do and usually you have
property limitations that don't allow you to still develop the property and retain it, so --
Constantikes: Mr. Mayor, if I might comment on that? The only rationale that I heard was
that it would be an inconvenience to drive by the new houses that would be in the
subdivision, as opposed to driving out on Black Cat or going out Quarterhorse Lane. I
didn't-- there was nothing alarming or substantive or life safety, no critical comments, just
--just had to do with inconvenience and not wanting to drive by any houses.
Dodson: Mr. Mayor?
Constantikes: And I don't want us to throw -- I don't want to speak ill of the property
owner. We did -- we -- we just tried everything. Guru Donuts is where we started. So,
we tried everything.
Simison: Yes, Joe.
Dodson: I just -- I will try to tread lightly, but also be direct. I had a couple conversations
with that property owner and it seemed to be that, frankly, they just felt bullied by
development. Not-- not this specific developer, but just in general that, hey, development
is happening and it's taking away their road. So, that -- that's kind of the feeling that I got
from them, which -- which is unfortunate, but I do agree with Council Woman Perreault
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that -- I haven't seen any applicants since I have been here that have pushed for some
amicable remedy to the situation as I have Penelope and Dan.
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: To that point do you have this property owner's consent for the installation of a
gate, regardless of where it is?
Constantikes: Mayor, Councilman, no. The last time that someone on the project team
was on the property he was ordered off, so we have no mechanisms for communicating
with them. You know, gates are -- if you live in an exclusive subdivision you have a gate
and you have to wait for it to open. Whatever. But the only way we can preserve it for
their exclusive use is to -- is to put a gate in. Otherwise, we would have people driving
out, because it would be easy and they wouldn't want to use the public road and, again,
I have been down that Quarterhorse Lane and tried to exit it several times. It's very
hazardous.
Borton: But that -- Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: That's an -- that's an additional wrinkle that you are stuck with is even if -- if you
were to get a condition today that modified it and included the installation of a gate
somewhere that was locked, coded somehow, you -- you don't have permission yet to
modify the easement to do so yet.
Constantikes: Mr. Mayor, Councilman, I think that the -- we retained the services of an
attorney shortly after the City Council approval to draft the agreement and the read that
we got from counsel was that there is no prohibitive element. In other words, the -- it's
not an unreasonable thing to do and I would defer to Mr. Nary on that. It's not an
unreasonable thing to do and it does not block them from using the easement. They have
a gate and a key. So, we are not taking their access away from them. Essentially we are
not doing anything other than adding a few minutes and that's for safety reasons. So, it's
not done out of spite, it's done because we need to keep other people from using it.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor, I was just thinking about that where at some point in time you get
tired of people coming up there thinking it's -- you know, it's going somewhere else and it
doesn't. You know, is it the type of thing where you say we are going to require this locked
gate at -- when they give permission and, then, at that point when they finally get tired of
people coming up and down, then, you get their permission to go forward and -- and install
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the gate. I don't know if that's the solution here or not. I mean to force that on someone
who is already in that position of don't tell me what to do with my access, you give them
that, yes, you will provide the gate once they give permission and there might be that
point in time where they say I'm tired of this, you know. What would be your comments
-- your thoughts on that?
Constantikes: Oh, sure. Well, we are kind of caught in between the city and the property
owner and the highway district. The highway district has been very clear about really not
wanting that to be used as an access point and if it's not gated, then, it will become an
available thoroughfare for anyone to use it. There are maybe some options for giving
him, you know, a high tech gate, so he just pushes a button and the gate opens. So, he
doesn't have to get out of his vehicle which would minimize any inconvenience involved
and, again, I would go back to my comment that there is no -- there is no substantive
reason to refuse and I understand that he has the right to refuse. Absolutely. My guess
is if we put one of those rubber tubes and a counter out there he wouldn't use it for very
long and, then, he just start driving out the much safer route to get to Black Cat Road,
which would be out to Pine Avenue. All valid concerns. I completely understand them.
We would like to move forward with the subdivision. The parcel to the south of us, not
the one that is immediately adjacent Black Cat Road where the old school is, but behind
them, the Alexander parcel, they would also like to develop and so, you know, there is --
it's not just hanging up this subdivision, it's also impeding another individual's rights to
develop as well within the extent of that being a right. I mean I understand all those
things. I think this is the only solution really.
Nary: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Mr. Nary.
Nary: I guess I am concerned only in one degree and Council Member Borton raised the
point is currently the city is not a party to this easement at all and so the city has no role.
What -- what the applicant is asking is for the city to, then, now require a condition on
their development to gate this easement and now, again, if it's not clear that that limitation
can be imposed on the easement holder, then, that embroils us in the middle of that
litigation, because now we have required something that we may not have had the ability
to do. Is there any way to simply gate Horse Meadows -- not the easement, but the Horse
Meadows from accessing the easement, because the concern is people using the
easement to access into Horse Meadows. You can certainly put the gates on your
property and have completely unfettered access. The other option -- and, again, I don't
know what your conversations have been. Have they considered just giving him the
whole property. Just give it to him. Rather than buying it from him. Give it to him, he can
deal with it, he can deal with it for the future. Is that not a possibility?
Constantikes: Mayor, I'm going to -- I'm not a hundred percent sure I understand your
second comment, but the idea of putting a little jog in the fence, so that the gate is actually
in Horse Meadows, as opposed to in the easement, that's absolutely an option.
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Nary: That would assume to at least take the city out of an argument that we have
interfered with the easement and, again, I was only thinking out loud on the other option
when you said you have tried to acquire the easement from the easement holder. I didn't
know if you had had a conversation to just simply give him that parcel, but -- make it into
a parcel and simply give it to that property owner and, then, Horse Meadows never has
to deal with it.
Dodson: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Yes, Joe.
Dodson: This is something that -- to Mr. Nary's point that we won't have -- I don't know
-- the eight layouts that we discussed -- kind of did that where you can see here is they
would essentially lose Lot 8 and 9 and push the road up and, then, leave the easement
as its own lot. For whatever reason that never got put forward. That was one of the
potential options. But, again, in the terms of what we are reviewing tonight I don't know
if with a DA modification you can require that the plat be modified. I don't know. That's
outside of my purview. But that would be what you would be essentially requiring,
because it's -- currently the easement is on this property and that's why they have some
of the control here and the way that -- to answer some of the other comments that have
been made, the way that I read -- again I'm not a lawyer by any means paid that much
money. The easement is very broad in its like language -- very very broad and it doesn't
really have any language to say what you can and can't do, it just says don't take away
the access is honestly pretty much how I read it. I believe Mr. Nary read that easement
as well when we first started all this to help ensure that we were okay with developing the
site at all when you have four servient sites to an easement along the south boundary.
Hope that helps the conversation.
Nary: Mr. Mayor, if I can clarify. Certainly I wasn't saying that you have to go and offer
the properties to the -- it's just a solution. May not be a viable solution. But certainly it --
maintaining the limitation of access into Horse Meadows from that lane is more
defendable to Horse Meadows, as well is the city than is the gate across this easement.
I can foresee Waltman -- not Waltman -- the Wingate Lane all over again and we have
had issues with Wingate Lane for a number of years that have eventually went away. I
can see you simply starting that conversation over if you can limit the access from -- from
this lane into Horse Meadows, I don't see the problem as we have been talking about of
people trying to go down to get into their homes. They will figure out pretty quickly they
can't get into their homes that way.
Constantikes: Mr. Mayor, that -- that would be fine. I don't -- moving in the gate and
putting it on Horse Meadows instead. Part of the issue with just dedicating -- creating a
rectangular area and giving it to the property owner that doesn't want to participate is that
it -- it doesn't just impact Horse Meadows and it doesn't just impact the property owner,
who doesn't want to participate, it also impacts two other property owners in terms --
himself, Mr. Morgan, who is directly to the east of us and one of the individuals that signed
that easement modification, his -- he does have access to Pine Avenue, but it's over a
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canal and he is reliant on either getting down on new public road or through Quarterhorse
Lane to get to his parcel with anything that weighs more than a bicycle and, then, the
other thing is that -- that would truly -- careful. That would truly -- I would do the same
thing right now, so -- and the other thing is it would -- it would landlock the Alexander piece
and so we are trying to be -- we are trying to thread a fairly small needle and make sure
that everyone is being treated fairly. So, if we move the gate onto the subject site
development, as opposed to in the easement area, and as Joe indicated the -- the content
of the easement is a page and a half. It's very simplistic. There is nothing in there that
would say that you can't put a gate in. We are preserving his access and I think that's
our obligation is to preserve his access and nothing more.
Simison: So, correct me if I'm wrong from what I have -- at least one of the things was
recommended as it comes to this -- one of the solutions I heard was basically eliminate
two parcels, move the road up. In that scenario there is no gate. You are just, essentially,
fencing off the property and there is no -- or is there a gate someplace else that would
still have to be installed for some reason?
Constantikes: Mr. Mayor, there would not need to be a gate if you just terminated Horse
Meadows essentially by drawing the line on the north boundary of the easement area and
just running it all the way across. I don't think the district would agree to that, ACHD, and,
again, we are --we are creating problems for two other of the property owners. We would
be essentially Iandlocking the Alexanders. They have a 30 foot strip that runs along the
north side of the railroad tracks and connects to Black Cat Road, but the Purdam Drain
sits in that 30 foot width and so the only way to turn that into an access, which would only
be wide enough for emergency to begin with, would be very expensive, because the last
time I talked to Nampa-Meridian about piping the Purdam Drain on a parcel on the other
side of the railroad tracks, it's a 48 inch pipe and that's a deep drain. So, I understand
the idea of just eliminating that easement area and making it go away, but there are
consequences to two other property owners. So, at least in -- that's the way I see it.
Simison: Maybe -- maybe -- what I was hearing was you are not eliminating the
easement, you leave the easement -- I don't know where the easement goes. I'm
assuming it's on that bottom portion. You just don't impact the easement. You take the
entire development outside of the easement and not address it in this application.
Constantikes: Mayor, the only problem with that is that it does still leave the Alexander
parcel essentially undevelopable, because you cannot develop and use an easement
access for more than one household. So, we are -- again, it's that needle thing. I got a
little tiny needle and my magnifying glasses and I'm trying to find a way to get the --thread
through that. So, to just -- I'm concerned about the consequences to the other two
property owners by just eliminating any connection between Horse Meadows and the
easement area. If we do that, then, whether or not they are actionable inconveniences
or not, we still are in a sense rendering a parcel nondevelopable.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
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Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: A question for Mr. Nary. What you said just confused me a little bit or maybe a
question for the applicant and, then, maybe for Mr. Nary, but aren't you taking access for
multiple households through the easement as well?
Constantikes: Mayor, Council Woman, at the current time there are four households --
there are three households that use that easement area. There is no residents on the
subject site. They have agreed to use this northern connection to Pine Avenue, which is
the point of the -- we are modifying the easement, we are only modifying it where it sits
on the Horse Meadows parcel. The rest of it remains intact exactly the way it is now. So,
that -- does that answer your question?
Strader: I think so. I guess. So, just to get like -- maybe dig into it like a little bit, I'm
hoping Bill will help. So, the solution of adding a -- eliminating two lots, not using the
easement and using a gate, I guess when future properties develop wouldn't ACHD have
some purview over that; right? Certainly if the easement holder's property develops I
would think at that time we would have some teeth to -- to do -- to require whatever we
need to when they annex in the city. It's a question of order. Like the -- the additional
property is -- you are saying this would make it developable. Not really. Yes, if it wanted
to develop first; right?
Constantikes: Mayor, Council Woman, actually ACHD was very clear about this. They
-- they can't get involved in that at all. So, if we did, for example, turn that into a rectangle
and -- and block it off from development of Horse Meadows, in the future ACHD would
not -- they would have no grounds to do anything to that area. That's the -- I mean I had
fairly extensive conversations with Christy Little about this and they -- they have flat out
refused to get involved at all.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Well, first to Councilman Strader's question, it's hard to tell on this map,
because you are only seeing the platted area, but that easement -- the road -- the -- the
dirt road goes back, what, at least double that length -- right there. That's the area that
-- where the other property owners to the south get cut off; right?
Constantikes: So, are you talking about -- excuse me, Mayor, Council Woman. You are
talking about what would be the southeast corner?
Perreault: Yes.
Constantikes: Yes. The easement will remain intact and untouched from that point
forward. It's really an odd thing. The easement width is 50 feet where it touches Black
Cat Road. By the time we get to the east property line in the southeast corner only 25
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feet of the easement sits on the servient site. The rest of it resides on the Alexander
parcel to the south of us. So, the easement starts here and, then, it trends down and
extends all the way to the parcel that's south and east of us.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor, I have a follow-up question.
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: So, at the point in time that it's actually -- Joe, if you could bring that map up
again. At the point in time in which that reverts back to open space, what was the plan
for vehicle --was there going to be bollards that were going to -- is there going to be some
sort of blocking access from the road? Sorry, if you could bring up the plat with the green
areas -- the open space areas again? The full -- the full -- there you go. So, what --
what's going to prevent vehicles -- yes. Right where your mouse is. What's going to
prevent vehicles from accessing the open space right there? That's the area where you
wanted the gate to go; correct? Is right where his cursor is?
Constantikes: Yes, ma'am.
Perreault: And so is -- could that gate be left, then, so that in the future when it's still open
space that vehicles aren't accessing that open space or is there some way to do like a
permanent solution that prohibits vehicles from accessing that without it having to be a
gate?
Constantikes: Mayor, Council Woman, those bollards would be a good choice, something
that sits in a -- whatever would satisfy the fire department. Absolutely it would need to
be blocked. It would be easier for Public Works to drive down if we could put in grass
crete. There is all kinds of things that could be done to obscure the pathway, the driveway
through that, so it's not really visible, but it has the weight bearing capacity to handle vac
trucks and a firetruck if they need to get in that way and using bollards, which is pretty
standard, and, actually, I would think you would want bollards on both ends of that, not
just in the interior, but at both locations to prevent any unauthorized access through there.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: So, the purpose -- so, was the request for the gate the -- the -- is that a request
made by the Caseys or is that something that the applicant is offering to them as -- I guess
I'm trying to understand like how a gate conversation started, if there is other potential
options with keeping a vehicle out of that area, whether it's -- whether it's the -- the future
residents of Horse Meadows, whether it's people coming off of Black Cat, whether it's
somebody that's coming, you know, in either direction, is the --was the gate a concession
that was being made?
Dodson: Mr. Mayor?
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Constantikes: Mr. Mayor, Council Woman, the -- there was two different scenarios. We
have got the long-term solution, which would be bollards. The short-term solution, in
order to preserve the parcel owners' access to Black Cat via the easement, while
preventing unauthorized people from using it to access Black Cat, that's where the gate
idea came from and, again, we can put the gate anywhere. I just know that Mr. Casey is
a fan of -- I have been actually trying to avoid saying his name -- that parcel owner does
like to restore vehicles, so I envisioned that at some point in time he would be pulling a
trailer with a vehicle on it and we wanted to make sure, just for safety reasons that that
was set back far enough that whatever vehicle or whatever he was pulling could safely
be off Black Cat Road before they have to stop.
Simison: Before we -- I would like to see if there is any public testimony just real quick,
because, otherwise, I think we can probably go on all night asking questions. We do have
two people in the room. If you would like to come forward and state your name and -- we
don't have anybody online, so it's just those in the room.
Constantikes: This is Mr. Morgan who is one of the easement holders that signed.
Simison: If you could state your name and address for the record, please.
Morgan: My name is Drew Morgan. Address is 4600 West Quarterhorse Lane. I have
the property immediately east of the development. My issue with what has just been
talked about of cutting off access to Quarterhorse from the development is it forces us to
continue to use Quarterhorse, where this development solved a lot of our issues, because
that is a real bad place to get out and I have been doing it for five years and it's getting
worse, especially since the school was put in and so now sometimes I'm at the end of
Quarterhorse Lane and I have to put the nose of my pickup almost onto Black Cat in order
to see and, then, they are racing off that stop sign and when the school is -- in fact, this
morning it was worse than it's been in months. The people just don't stop. They don't
stop at the railroad tracks, they slow and one after another -- and like this morning I just
goosed it out onto Quarterhorse in front of a car, because I had an opening from the other
direction and forced him to slow down enough to let me out. So, my issue is the one
applicant who won't sign is forcing the rest of us to give up what we were offered. I don't
know -- I guess legally he has a right to do that, but Mr. Casey told me he was signing
and he was willing and it was his wife that would not let him. So, she's holding up the
whole program. But, anyway, I am willing to cooperate anyway I can. I have a big motor
home, it's really tough to get in and out of there, and this would solve my problem. So,
anyway, I just wanted to say that about -- I'm -- I really don't like the idea of not letting me
have access into -- on Pine through the streets they are going to build.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Thank you. Councilman Hoaglun.
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Hoaglun: Question, Mr. Morgan. I was just curious. You said that the house -- the
property to the east and there is -- there is a couple properties. Are you the one closest
to Pine?
Morgan: Yes. I have the seven acres right there where the cursor is.
Hoaglun: Okay. And your -- your property has that bridge?
Morgan: I have a -- I have a gate onto Pine, but the bridge -- it can't hold my motorhome.
I already broke through it once. Had to get a wrecker out to lift me off and so I can still --
it's -- it's a lousy bridge.
Hoaglun: Okay. Yeah.
Morgan: It's not --
Hoaglun: That's what it sounds like.
Morgan: It's not safe for weight.
Hoaglun: Okay.
Morgan: And our gate on Pine, I do have to stick my vehicle out into the street to see
what's coming. So, it's not a very good access. But Quarterhorse has been our way in
and out, but with the traffic -- and when they do Black Cat in the next three or four years,
whenever they do it, they are going to make that four lanes -- the highway department is
not going to want Quarterhorse used. It's not a good situation. So, anyway, I would be a
fan of any way possible getting Quarterhorse cut off as soon as -- as you can. The gate
would make him -- or her, I guess, more willing to use the paved road that's going to be
there and -- and we wouldn't be very long before the -- the sign on the corner that says
Quarterhorse Lane belongs to the Caseys. They are the ones that put it there. So, they
-- that's -- you know. And they have the right to do that. But it's just really a pain for the
rest of us.
Hoaglun: Okay. Thank you.
Simison: Anybody else that would like provide testimony at this time on this item? Okay.
Then we will invite the applicant to come back up for further--what I'm sure are questions
and comments from Council. So, we will start with your -- any additional closing
comments and, then, we will move into more questions.
Constantikes: I don't have anymore comments. I'm glad that Mr. Morgan came to add
his -- his -- how it would affect him. That -- that was helpful information that I hadn't --
hadn't even occurred to me that we would inadvertently be taking something away that
would improve their lives and their safety. So, I'm happy to answer anymore questions
that you have.
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Simison: Council, additional questions?
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: I -- I -- I'm looking at this application and what's being proposed this evening in my
opinion it isn't legal. Putting a gate there wouldn't be legal, because the gentleman's not
agreeable to it. So, what's being proposed this evening in front of me I'm not in favor of.
I would suggest -- and I'm one of six -- but I would suggest continuing this application for
you to go and figure out either further discussion with the property owner who is not
agreeable to the easement first or, second, coming to us with a solution to your problem
that's legal, instead of having to make this decision for you on the dais this evening. I just
don't think that's fair for us. That's not our purview. I think it's important for you to come
to us and say this is what I recommend. This is what we recommend. Something that's
legal, something that can be binding in a court of law. I just don't see that this evening.
So, I would recommend personally continuing this project for further discussion and
solutions on your part.
Constantikes: Mr. Mayor, if I might. I don't know that there is another option. They are
-- we can't even talk to them.
Bernt: Well, that was just one solution.
Constantikes: Yeah. And --
Bernt: There is -- there is many others that we have discussed this evening that can be
put on paper and can be formalized. You know, I'm just not seeing a legal solution with
-- that's being presented this evening.
Constantikes: Mr. Mayor. Could you maybe direct me as to which of the options that
were discussed this evening that you find most palatable?
Bernt: I mean something that doesn't include the easement, because you don't have
access to it.
Constantikes: I'm not sure I understand.
Bernt: What I'm saying is -- Mr. Mayor, do I have --
Simison: Yes. I'm just letting you go.
Bernt: Okay. Thank you, sir. I just -- I don't think your -- I don't think that your solution
-- if you are saying that you are in a position where the one property owner is unwilling to
even talk about relinquishing their easement, then, I think anything that you -- we have
discussed tonight with regard to the easement, whether it's a gate, whatever, off the table.
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So, either you need to close it off, either you need to put a gate, whatever the case may
be, but I want to know what that looks like in writing formalized and agreed to by Joe --
by our staff before -- before -- I'm just -- I'm one of six. I mean I may be the lone wolf, but
that's just my opinion.
Constantikes: I'm just -- I want to understand what you are saying is the reason I'm -- I'm
asking questions is because I want to understand. So, if I understand correctly, what you
are saying is that you are looking for a document that -- that specify-- I'm just -- I'm a little
lost. I apologize.
Simison: Can I -- can I try?
Bernt: Sure.
Simison: I will to -- again, I'm even worse than his lone wolf, because I don't even --
Constantikes: I just -- I want to keep deep diving until I really understand what you are
asking.
Simison: I think it is removing the easement from the plat from a design standpoint. You
know, you can provide a gate on your property, so anybody further down Quarterhorse
Lane can come right into the street that you do to go out to Pine. I mean there can be a
gate that way, but just from a practical standpoint, having the easement as part of the plat
or --
Bernt: No easement.
Constantikes: Okay. That -- that's very helpful.
Dodson: Mr. Mayor?
Constantikes: So, what you are -- what you are saying -- go, Joe. I will wait.
Dodson: Thank you. I just wanted to clarify, as I did earlier, I don't know if it's through the
DA mod or you would require additional applications -- can the plat that has not been
recorded, can that be modified through the DA modification? I would -- I don't know if we
can require that.
Simison: Yeah. I'm -- I'm not asking --from my standpoint as a nonvoting member, I don't
care how you get there, if this needs to be denied, withdrawn, redone as an overall
application, that's -- I'm just suggesting that the easement is a problem and have you find
a solution --
Dodson: Okay.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
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Simison: -- is a process.
Perreault: They -- they own the property.
Constantikes: Yes.
Perreault: They own the property. So, what are they supposed to do with it if they leave
it out of a plat? It will just be a --
Simison: The development portion of it -- you don't have to --
Perreault: They own it.
Simison: But they --
Perreault: So, what, is it supposed to just be like an empty lot? I mean the section -- the
section with the -- that's the dirt road area that's -- that's within their development, they
own and that individual has an easement to -- to access across it, but they own it. So,
don't understand how it's illegal if they put a gate on a property that they own.
Nary: Mr. Mayor? So, I guess maybe to answer your question, what I heard and what
read and what I think Joe read is probably the worst thing from a legal standpoint is a very
broadly worded vague document and what you have here is a document that does not
say, as you said, you can -- it doesn't say you can't put a gate on there, it also doesn't say
you can and that's my concern. So, you can certainly put a gate on your own property
that accesses into Horse Meadows. You can give Mr. Morgan access through that gate.
You can prevent your other property owners from accessing that gate if you wish and
allow only Mr. Morgan access to that gate and that's perfectly fine, but I think what -- what
I was hearing is the concern is in putting that gate across that easement without the
consent of the southeastern property owner, that opens both Horse Meadows, as well as
the city to engage in litigation to determine if you can and we don't know if you can or not.
So, what you are -- where we started was no final plat until everybody agrees. Now, you
are asking us to modify that to allow it to only be two people in agreement without the
third one even agreeing to the solution you are proposing and that's what I think Council
Member Bernt is saying is the third -- the other party has not agreed to even the solution,
so, therefore, again, we are going to order a gate to be placed on that property, that
person is going to come to the city and say, you now are preventing my access, not just
Horse Meadows, but the city. So, without their consent, which is I think what Council
Member Bernt is asking, is could you get their consent. You know, could you -- could your
-- could your developer and Mr. Morgan have a conversation with the neighbor on at least
consenting to the gate access? Again, he may be not willing and that's his right, but
think what -- what I'm hearing from the Council is the apprehension of involving us into
that. So, again, if you put all the gates on Horse Meadows and the only person allowed
through that gate is Mr. Morgan or that property owner, that's certainly within your purview.
You can certainly do that. And, then, that affects nothing with the adjacent property owner.
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He can come in and out, he can continue as the same. No changes for him. No reason
to litigate.
Constantikes: Mayor and Council, I just want to make sure I'm really clear. Mr. Morgan
is amenable to the easement modification. It's Mr. Casey and Mrs. -- Mrs. Casey who
have declined to participate. I just want to make sure that's real clear.
Nary: I understood that.
Constantikes: Yeah. So, if I'm understanding you correctly, you are asking for two things.
You are asking for the gate to be located on -- on the area that will become Horse Meadow
Subdivision and that we obtained somehow permission from the Caseys to put a gate
across there. Am I understanding this correctly?
Nary: No.
Constantikes: No.
Nary: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, what we are saying is if you put the gate on
the Horse Meadows' property you don't need Mr. Casey's permission. If you do want to
put it across the -- the easement, you will need their permission. So, it's either get their
permission to put the gate across Quarterhorse Lane or only put the gates on the Horse
Meadows' property and grant access to Mr. Morgan's property, if you wish and, then, he
could have the access out to Pine as he's asking. So, that was what I was suggesting.
Again, whatever the Council wants. It's their -- their call.
Constantikes: Mr. Mayor, Mr. Nary, I understand what you are saying now. More than --
more than happy to shift that. You know, I have never had a situation like this. I just took
a snapshot of the plat and went for it. So, it wasn't -- I mean I gave it my best effort and
a little bit of fine tuning is fine. So, we will just shift the gate into Horse Meadows and --
and as you suggest we can -- we would be happy to do that.
Simison: Well, in the --
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Yeah. I would says it's -- for that -- I mean I don't know how you can shift this
without redrawing the plat and moving the roads and moving parcels to accommodate
that, just -- unless Council thinks otherwise. I don't want to -- this is a bigger issue than
-- so I mean maybe we should go back to the conversation of continuing this public
hearing, allow staff to work with the applicant and if they can't get that, then, we can come
back and withdraw this entire application for a different approach, if that's what is needed.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
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Perreault: Help me understand. If there was never a gate shown -- I mean the gate -- it
was on this drawing is shown here as a -- it's not really part of the application. It's just,
hey, this is what we are going to do as a concession. If that gate wasn't on there -- that
wasn't -- that's not something that's a condition of this applicant; right? Like we are not
conditioning that? Okay. So, if the gate wasn't on there and there was not a gate
conversation being had during this hearing and they chose to put the gate on their
property after the hearing, is that -- then the city is not culpable anymore? Help me
understand further the city's culpability in -- if they put their gate on their private property
and they give access to Mr. Casey, I don't understand how the city is culpable, because
the gate -- the gate is not part of the application, is it?
Nary: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council -- and, then, maybe Joe can help me here, but
the Quarterhorse Lane --the attempt was to limit the access to Quarterhorse Lane to only
the property owners that were there and that the other property owners in Horse Meadows
aren't going to access into Horse Meadows through that. That was what the gates were
for. But the direction from the City Council was all three of those adjacent property owners
needed to consent to relinquish that easement before we would bring forward a final plat.
That -- that didn't happen. So, now we are back with -- where does Quarterhorse Lane
land, where do these access points into Quarterhorse -- or into the Quarterhorse -- or the
-- this particular development end up and that's kind of where we are at. It's crossing that
easement that now limits the access. Right now where this gate was I don't know what's
going to limit the Caseys, but if it is going to limit their access, that's a concern, because
now we will have ordered it. That's what they are asking for in this application, for us to
order a gate to be there, to, then, only allow the Caseys the use of it, everyone else has
to go through -- go through Horse Meadows.
Simison: And without limiting ACHD --
Nary: Right.
Simison: -- does not approve of this process --
Nary: Right.
Simison: -- which, again, I don't even know how much -- do we care? Curious right now.
Okay. We do. Just want to be -- make sure. Okay.
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Borton.
Borton: I think the idea of a continuance is -- if you are willing to give it a shot --
Constantikes: As long as it's not on September 9th, because I have a whole different
hornet's nest I need to deal with a different agency, so I need to --
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Borton: That's a Thursday, so it wouldn't be that.
Constantikes: Yeah.
Bernt: Penelope, I have the date for you.
Borton: And here is the reason I think -- the way I see it is working backwards it would
never have been annexed. We would have had the comment at that hearing that says
it's just not ready. This is such a fundamental piece. It's why the condition was in the DA
prior to the final plat. It's just a fundamental part of this application being successful. You
have done excellent work trying to craft a solution. It's going to take a little more time. If
there is a solution at all that -- in the Mayor's point that might be the only option is to
redesign the plat with a different application that -- that doesn't have this easement as
part of it. I don't know if that's the case. But you getting -- I don't know what Council
President has -- 30 days or something to noodle some alternative suggestions, because
the one today doesn't cut it.
Constantikes: I will get my crystal ball out.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Constantikes: My magic wand.
Bernt: Penelope, how does September 28th work for you?
Constantikes: I'm sure it's just fine. I don't -- I don't have my calendar right here with me,
but I'm sure it's fine.
Bernt: Do you want to -- do you want to verify?
Dodson: It works for me.
Bernt: Thanks, Joe.
Dodson: I'm just an employee. I mean --
Constantikes: The 20th would be fine.
Bernt: Any other closing comments, Penelope, before we continue the public hearing?
Okay. Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: I move that we continue this item, which is Item 19, which is H-2021-0050, to
September 28th.
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Hoaglun: Second the motion.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to continue this item until September 28th. Is
there any discussion? If not, all in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay. The ayes
have it and the item is continued.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
ORDINANCES [Action Item]
20. Ordinance 21-1940: An Ordinance Amending Meridian City Code
Section 1-5-2, Relating to the Official Newspaper of the City of
Meridian; Providing a Savings Clause; and Providing an Effective Date
Simison: Council, we will move on to -- just wrap this up this evening before we take a
break. So, move onto Item 20, Ordinance No. 21-1940. Ask the Clerk to read this
ordinance by title.
Johnson: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. It's an ordinance amending Meridian City Code Section
1-5-2, relating to the official newspaper of the City of Meridian; providing a savings clause;
and providing an effective date.
Simison: You have heard this ordinance read by title. Is there anybody who would like it
read in its -- in its entirety?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: I'm not requesting that it be read in its entirety, but would it be possible for us
to have Mr. Nary explain the move from Meridian Press to Idaho Press?
Nary: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, I certainly can and Mr. Johnson can probably
supplement that as well. We have had a few issues on publication with Meridian Press,
because it's a weekly. So, we have looked into that and to cure occasionally, if there is a
printing issue, it's an another week, which can delay development agreements,
annexations, and other things. So, the city has to have an official newspaper by code. It
has to be -- and there is other particular specifics about it that have to meet that criteria.
One criteria that trumps most other things is that it's printed within the city, printed within
the county, or printed within the state. To be honest -- and the research, both at my office
and Mr. Johnson's office has done, it is absolutely unclear to me where the Idaho
Statesman prints the paper. I have no idea where they print it, but it appears that from all
intents that we can find, the Idaho Press is printed either in Kuna or in Nampa, but it is
printed here. So, we -- we talked about it internally, talked about it with the Council
President and the Mayor -- felt that if we moved to the Idaho Press, because it's a daily
--well, six days a week, that it is a better opportunity if an error occurs or something needs
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to be done quickly, we have occasions where we have passed an ordinance on a Tuesday
and waiting ten full days is a long time for something we would like to have implemented
sooner. So, this gives the city a little more options. It still is compliant with the state code.
If I have missed anything certainly Mr. Johnson's done a lot of research on this as well.
Simison: Well, with that do I have a motion?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: I move that we approve Ordinance No. 21-1940.
Strader: Second the motion.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to approve Ordinance No. 21-1940. Is there any
discussion? If not, all in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay? The ayes have it
and the item is agreed to.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
21. Ordinance No. 21-1941: An Ordinance (H-2020-0113 — Foxcroft
Subdivision) For Annexation of a Parcel of Land Located in the
Southwest '/4 of the Northeast '/4 and the North % of the Southeast '/4
of Section 10, Township 3 North, Range 1 West, Ada County, Idaho,
and Being More Particularly Described in Attachment "A" and
Annexing Certain Lands and Territory, Situated in Ada County, Idaho,
and Adjacent and Contiguous to the Corporate Limits of the City of
Meridian as Requested by the City of Meridian; Establishing and
Determining the Land Use Zoning Classification of 24.567 Acres of
Land from RUT to R-8 (Medium Density Residential) Zoning District in
the Meridian City Code; Providing that Copies of this Ordinance shall
be Filed with the Ada County Assessor, the Ada County Recorder, and
the Idaho State Tax Commission, as Required by Law; and Providing
for a Summary of the Ordinance; and Providing for a Waiver of the
Reading Rules; and Providing an Effective Date
Simison: Next up is Ordinance No. 21-1941. Ask the clerk to read this ordinance by title.
Johnson: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. It's an ordinance related to H-2020-0113, Foxcroft
Subdivision, for annexation of a parcel of land located in the Southwest '/4 of the Northeast
'/4 and the North '/2 of the Southeast '/4 of Section 10, Township 3 North, Range 1 West,
Ada county, Idaho, and being more particularly described in Attachment "A" and annexing
certain lands and territory, situated in Ada county, Idaho, and adjacent and contiguous to
the corporate limits of the City of Meridian as requested by the City of Meridian;
establishing and determining the land use zoning classification of 24.567 acres of land
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from RUT to R-8 (Medium Density Residential) Zoning District in the Meridian City Code;
providing that copies of this ordinance shall be filed with the Ada County Assessor, the
Ada County Recorder, and the Idaho State Tax Commission, as required by law; and
providing for a summary of the ordinance; and providing for a waiver of the reading rules;
and providing an effective date.
Simison: Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Council, you have heard this ordinance read by title. Is
there anybody that would like it read in its entirety? Looking at you, Ralph. If not, do I
have a motion?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: I move that we approve Ordinance No. 21-1941, with the suspension of rules.
Hoaglun: Second the motion.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to approve the item under suspension of the
rules. Is there any discussion? If not, all in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay.
The ayes have it.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
22. Ordinance No. 21-1942: An Ordinance (H-2021-0021) — Prevail North
Subdivision) for Annexation of a Portion of Government Lot 1 of
Section 31, Township 3 North, Range 1 East, Boise Meridian, Ada
County, Idaho, as Described in Attachment "A" and Annexing Certain
Lands and Territory, Situated in Ada County, Idaho, and Adjacent and
Contiguous to the Corporate Limits of the City of Meridian as
Requested by the City of Meridian; Establishing and Determining the
Land Use Zoning Classification of 5.63 Acres of Land from RUT to R-
8 (Medium Density Residential) Zoning District in the Meridian City
Code; Providing That Copies of this Ordinance shall be Filed with the
Ada County Assessor, the Ada County Recorder, and the Idaho State
Tax Commission, as Required by Law; and Providing for a Summary
of the Ordinance; and Providing for a Waiver of the Reading Rules;
and Providing an Effective Date
Simison: The final item of the evening is Ordinance No. 21-1942. Ask the clerk to read
this ordinance by title.
Johnson: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. It's an ordinance related to H-2021-0021 , Prevail North
Subdivision, for annexation of a portion of Government Lot 1 of Section 31, Township 3
North, Range 1 East, Boise meridian, Ada County, Idaho, as described in Attachment "A"
and annexing certain lands and territory, situated in Ada county, Idaho, and adjacent and
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contiguous to the corporate limits of the City of Meridian as requested by the City of
Meridian; establishing and determining the land use zoning classification of 5.63 acres of
land from RUT to R-8 (Medium Density Residential) Zoning District in the Meridian City
Code; providing that copies of this ordinance shall be filed with the Ada County Assessor,
the Ada County Recorder, and the Idaho State Tax Commission, as required by law; and
providing for a summary of the ordinance; and providing for a waiver of the reading rules;
and providing an effective date.
Simison: Thank you. Council, you have heard this ordinance read by title. Would anyone
like it read in it's entirety? If not, do I have a motion?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: I move that we approve Ordinance No. 21-1942 with the suspension of rules.
Cavener: Second the motion.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to approve the item under suspension of the
rules. Is there any discussion? If not, all in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay?
The ayes have it and the item is agreed to.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
FUTURE MEETING TOPICS
Simison: Council, anything under future meeting topics? Then do I have a motion to
adjourn?
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: I move that we adjourn.
Hoaglun: Second the motion.
Simison: Motion and a second to adjourn. All in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed
nay? The ayes have it. We are adjourned.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 8:19 P.M.
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(AUDIO RECORDING ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS)
9-7-2021
MAYOR ROBERT E. SIMISON DATE APPROVED
ATTEST:
CHRIS JOHNSON - CITY CLERK
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