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Borup: I think we have discussed everything.
Newton-Huckabay: Okay. Mr. Chair, I recommend we close the Public Hearing on PP
05-054 and CUP 05-050 oh.
Moe: Second.
Zaremba: We have a motion and a second. All in favor say aye. Anyopposed? That
motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Newton-Huckabay: And I will continue -- I move to recommend approval to the City
Council of file numbers PP 05-054 and CUP 05-050, as presented in the staff report for
the hearing date of November 17, 2005, and the preliminary plat dated September 8th,
2005, with the following modifications to the condition of approval and, basically, in
Exhibit B, page one, item 1.1.9 should read: The applicant shall revise the landscape
plan to show a 20 foot land use buffer along the western boundary of Lot 6, 7 and 8,
Block 14. Period. Strike: Which complies with the requirements, et cetera, to the end
of the statement, and add: Due to existing public --
Borup: Would that have been a period or a comma? Minor detail, but you're setting --
Newton-Huckabay: Are you interrupting my motion over semantics?
Borup: No. I'm saying your sentence may make more sense.
Newton-Huckabay: Okay. Sorry. Shall I start over?
Borup: No.
Newton-Huckabay: Okay. Block 14. Period. Strike: Which complies with the
requirements of UDC to the end of the statement. Due to existing public utility
easement on west side of plat, install shrubs and other ground cover within said
landscape buffer. Period. End of motion.
Moe: Second.
Zaremba: We have a motion and a second. All in favor say aye. Any opposed? That
motion carries. Thank you very much.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Item 8:
Continued Public Hearing from November 17, 2005: AZ 05-052
Request for Annexation and Zoning of 7.87 acres from R1 to C-G zone for
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Sadie Creek Promenade Subdivision by Landmark Development Group,
LLC - 3055 North Eagle Road:
Item 9:
Continued Public Hearing from November 17, 2005: PP 05-053
Request for Preliminary Plat approval of 24 commercial building lots 15.33
acres in a proposed C-G zone and an approved C-G zone for Sadie
Creek Promenade Subdivision by Landmark Development Group, LLC-
3055 and 3085 North Eagle Road:
Item 10:
Continued Public Hearing from November 17, 2005: CUP 05-049
Request for a conceptual Conditional Use for retail, restaurant, drive-thru
and office uses in a proposed C-G zone and an approved C-G zone for
Sadie Creek Promenade Subdivision by Landmark Development Group,
LLC - 3055 and 3085 North Eagle Road:
Zaremba: And I will open the Public Hearing for AZ 05-052 and PP 05-053 and CUP
05-049 and entertain a motion to continue all three of those to our regularly scheduled
meeting of January 5th, 2006.
Moe: So moved.
Newton-Huckabay: Second.
Zaremba: We have a motion and a second. All in favor say aye. Any opposed? That
motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Guenther: Mr. Chairman?
Moe: Mr. Chairman?
Zaremba: Where did that voice come from?
Guenther: That's from me.
Zaremba: Go ahead.
Guenther: Thank you. At the behest of the applicant, I just want to just make you
aware -- and this Commission has scheduling rights all to its own, which is kind of nice,
but the Bienville project may not be heard on the 5th. And in respect to the applicant
here, I think a lot of it is they have been here for -- scheduled for at least a month and a
half now and they will be scheduled out a month and a half due to the noticing error
from the November 20th hearing. The Bienville project is sounding like it's having some
ACHD issues with its road system and they may not have it complete by the 5th, as well
as, you know, there is other issues that might require a tabling of the item and I think
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that, just to be fair to this applicant, that we should either give her some confirmation
that she will be heard on the 5th or if she's going to be tabled out indefinitely until the
Bienville project, so that there is consistency with what we are looking at.
Zaremba: I would express the opinion that it's specifically the results of ACHD's opinion
of Bienville that will affect my opinion of Sadie Creek. So, if there is anticipation -- I
think my answer is whenever anyone of them was heard, I would want to hear them
both at the same time. So, if you raise the issue that Bienville may not happen on the
5th, I won't be chairman at that time, but as a voting member I would vote to continue
this one as well. Do we have a consensus on that?
Borup: Mr. Chairman, well, I had a question -- ACHD's concern, is that with the internal
roadways or with access?
Guenther: What they are looking at with Bienville -- and I got the project here. Craig,
can you unfreeze that, please? Okay. Never mind.
Zaremba: Just concerning my own opinion, before you go on on this, is what a real
good concept plan that this Commission asked for and they didn't provide, but, see, it
was our mistake not to ask for us to see it.
Borup: Well, but --
Zaremba: This is a case where we said would you put a concept plan together before it
gets to the City Council.
Borup: But Sadie Creek was the one that wouldn't cooperate with that.
Zaremba: They withdrew their annexation, yes.
Borup: So, I don't -- I mean, yeah, I'm sorry they got delayed, but--
Zaremba: You can say something to staff, because this is not an open public hearing at
the moment.
(Inaudible discussion from audience)
Borup: Well -- oh, yeah, we already continued it, didn't we?
Newton-Huckabay: Well, yeah, we had public -- people here left under the
understanding that we could not be --
Borup: So, my question still was -- is ACHD's concern on internal roadways or access
points?
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Guenther: They are on internal roadways and they are all -- and this is why I mentioned
this on behalf of the applicant. All the internal roadways are located within the Bienville
project, not on the Sadie Creek project. The public road system that would attach to
Ustick Road and come through the Sadie Creek project -- the Bienville project is
definitely reliant on the Sadie Creek project being approved. If the Sadie Creek project
is not approved, the Bienville project loses its road connection to Ustick road and so,
therefore, is most likely going to have to be eliminated. But this project is not dependent
on the Bienville project. It's got all of its access points to Ustick Road already and that's
why staff would feel comfortable going forward with this project alone if the Bienville
project would be tabled out and stuck in ACHD review.
Borup: We can still -- I assume we can still review the proposed design and layout for
Bienville. That's on the agenda. So, we would have that information. So maybe --
you're saying with these stub streets and cross-access would stay the same?
Guenther: Yes. And currently, the -- currently, the projects do not align perfectly. They
are very close. These are still general projects that will need to come back for detail
review, most likely through certificate of zoning compliance where the cross-access
points will be further defined. But this applicant was in first and we are approving their
project first, regardless of the timing, and the Bienville people are the ones who would
be required to lineup with their access points for the cross-access. So, this project is
not dependent upon Bienville, but Bienville is dependent on Sadie Creek, is what my
point is.
Zaremba: I'm not sure I agree with that. One of the questions about this project is
whether they should have a right-in, right-out on Eagle. And the solution to that is what
Bienville was doing.
Borup: Well, we already -- we do have the letter from lTD.
Baird: Mr. Chair and Members of the Commission --
Zaremba: Mr. Baird. I know what you're going to say.
Baird: -- I would caution you to avoid any discussion on the merits. You have already
changed the hearing. You're not on the record. Unless you want to reopen.
Zaremba: No. And I think that the discussion -- as Mr. Baird points out, we need to
remain focused on whether or not we can tell the applicant that it will be heard on the
5th or whether we are going to try and keep it together with Bienville.
Guenther: That's correct.
Zaremba: And my opinion would be to keep it together with Bienville. But let's get
everybody's opinion.
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Moe: Well, quite frankly, that's why we voted earlier this evening to continue, is
because we did want to have it all together.
Zaremba: And even if Bienville is having ACHD issues, that's still why I want to hear
them both together. Commissioner Newton-Huckabay.
Newton-Huckabay: I guess I'm going to have to agree with you. I don't have enough
information to make an opinion otherwise, so I think that's the whole, was to get them
closer together, so we can make a better planning decision on this larger piece of
property, then, that would be appropriate in my mind as well.
Zaremba: Commissioner Borup.
Borup: We can still hear it. You know, if we keep postponing so many things,
continuing, we are going to just get jammed up further down. It doesn't mean we have
to approve it. We can still continue it, but that doesn't mean we can't hear it and
assuming that we would be able to see how it does tie with the adjoining project. I
would need to see that before I had a final on whether it would continue on or not, but --
Newton-Huckabay: And that's fair.
Borup: But the hearing that -- again, depending on the agenda for the 5th. If it looks
like it's going to be too full, then, maybe we might not want to spend a lot of time. But I
think we'd make that decision that night and my intent -- my preference would be to go
ahead and hear the application and, then, decide at that point whether to -- what action
to take.
Newton-Huckabay: Mr. Chair?
Zaremba: Commissioner Newton-Huckabay.
Newton-Huckabay: I just want to ask a clarifying -- so, you're say irregardless, if we
hear it -- we will at least make the commitment to hear -- to hold the public hearing on
the -- but not necessarily make a recommendation?
Borup: Well, yeah, we'd make a decision then. We don't have to. We don't have to
approve it at that meeting. We are just saying we would have a hearing.
Zaremba: I would say they probably should come to the 5th prepared to present. But
they may not get an answer that night.
Baird: And, Mr. Chair, I would caution against making any definite assurances. There
are always other reasons why matters could be continued. But I think what you have
done is you have given the applicant some direction and some guidance and I think
that's all that you can do at this point.
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Zaremba: And express it as an opinion action.
Baird: Yeah. Just a legal disclaimer.
Moe: So, having said that, then, what I would do is -- Mr. Chairman, I move we adjourn.
Zaremba: Could I get a second?
Borup: Second.
Newton-Huckabay: Second.
Zaremba: We have a motion and a second. All in favor say aye. That motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 8:37 P.M.
(TAPE ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS.)
APPROVED
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DATE APPROVED
DAVID ZAREMBA - CHAIRMAN
ATTESTED:
WILLIAM G. BERG JR., CITY CLERK