HomeMy WebLinkAbout2021-01-26 Regular Minutes Item#2.
Meridian City Council January 26, 2021.
A Meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order at 6:00 p.m., Tuesday, January
26, 2021, by Mayor Robert Simison.
Members Present: Robert Simison, Joe Borton, Luke Cavener, Treg Bernt, Jessica
Perreault, Brad Hoaglun and Liz Strader.
Also present: Chris Johnson, Bill Nary, Sonya Allen, Clint Dolsby, Jamie Leslie, Joe
Bongiorno and Dean Willis.
ROLL-CALL ATTENDANCE
Liz Strader _X_ Joe Borton
_X_ Brad Hoaglun _X_Treg Bernt
X Jessica Perreault _X Luke Cavener
_X_ Mayor Robert E. Simison
Simison: Council, I will call this meeting to order. For the record it is January 26, 2021,
at 6:00 p.m. We will begin tonight's regular City Council meeting with roll call attendance.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Simison: Next item is the Pledge of Allegiance. If you would all, please, rise and join us
in the Pledge.
(Pledge of Allegiance recited.)
COMMUNITY INVOCATION
Simison: Our next item on the agenda is the community invocation, which will be
delivered by Michael Pearson of the Seventh-Day Adventist Church. Pastor Pearson,
you are recognized. Thank you for being here and for those in the audience if you would
join us in this or take this as a moment of silence or reflection. Pastor Pearson, when you
are ready.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Yes.
Bernt: I don't think he can hear us.
Johnson: Pastor Pearson, are you able to hear us?
Simison: Pastor Pearson, if you can hear us -- we can hear you it sounds like. I guess
we will just have to forego the invocation this evening.
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ADOPTION OF AGENDA
Simison: All right. Next item was the adoption of the agenda.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: I move that we adopt the agenda as published.
Cavener: Second, Mr. Mayor.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to adopt the agenda as published. Is there any
discussion on the motion? If not, all in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay. The
ayes have it and the agenda is adopted.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
PUBLIC FORUM — Future Meeting Topics
Simison: Nobody signed up under public forum this evening.
DEPARTMENT / COMMISSION REPORTS [Action Item]
1. Resolution No. 21-2253: A Resolution of the Mayor and the City
Council of the City of Meridian Appointing Zachary Shoemaker to
Seat 3 of the Meridian Transportation Commission; and Providing an
Effective Date
Simison: So, the next item is Department/Commission Reports. First item is Resolution
No. 21-2253 appointing -- resolution to appoint Zachary Shoemaker to the Meridian
Transportation Commission. Council, if I could just take a few minutes and talk -- I sat
down like we normally do with the chair of the Commission. We had a new chair of the
Transportation Commission now. It's been David Ballard for many years, but we have a
new transportation chair and we sat down with the applicants and interviewed folks and
it was a tough decision, like it always is. We have got a lot of qualified people who are
very interested in transportation as, you know, one of the main things people are
concerned about in Meridian. But when we looked at the current makeup of the
commission, that often can be as much a deciding factor because the Transportation
Commission has more criteria than our other commissions in trying to keep it balanced
from a resident perspective, a business perspective and a geographic perspective and
while all the applicants were outstanding, Zachary Shoemaker rose to the top and his
appointment also helps meet those balance needs as he works for a business located
here in Meridian, lives in Meridian, so he fits a couple of different boxes from that
standpoint. He is very community focused. Lives up in the northern part of our
community, which is where we want to keep some of the representation up there and so
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I would propose that we appoint him to the Transportation Commission.
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: One, thanks. I really appreciate that you are putting these applications as part
of the agenda topic, allows for Council, as well as the public to kind of review this a little
bit more before we come. You always bring forth strong recommendations. Appreciate
you involving the commission chair in this process. I don't have any questions. I'm happy
to make a motion unless anyone has anything they would like to say. So, Mr. Mayor,
move we approve Resolution No. 21-2253, appointing Zachary Shoemaker to the
Meridian Transportation Commission.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: I second that motion.
Simison: I have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion?
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: I know Zack Shoemaker. He is a -- he is a dear friend of mine and highly qualified
for this role. He has a lot of experience in public policy. He has a graduate degree at
Boise State and is prime for this -- for this -- for this role. Very excited to cast my vote in
favor for him and wish him the best of luck.
Simison: Thank you, Councilman Bernt. If not, all those in favor signify by saying aye.
Opposed nay. The ayes have it.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
Simison: Congratulations, Zack, and I know Zack is on the call with us today. Zach, if
you have any comments we would love for you to take a second and address a nice large
audience.
Shoemaker: Yeah. Can you hear me?
Simison: Yes, we can.
Shoemaker: Yeah. Thanks -- thanks, Mayor and Councilman Bernt for the nice words. I
look forward for the opportunity to help out the City of Meridian continue to grow and look
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forward to it -- yeah, with offering any insight and information I can help create and get
good policy and good transportation decisions for the city. So, thank you for this
opportunity. Look forward to it.
2. Resolution No. 21-2254: A Resolution of the Mayor and the City
Council of the City of Meridian Reappointing Steven Yearsley to Seat
4 of the Meridian Planning And Zoning Commission through April 30,
2021 and Appointing Nathan Wheeler to Seat 4 of the Meridian
Planning and Zoning Commission with an Effective Date of May 1,
2021 and Appointing Maria Lorcher to Seat 2 of the Meridian
Planning and Zoning Commission; and Providing an Effective Date
Simison: Thank you, Zack. Welcome aboard. Council, next item on the agenda is
Resolution No. 21-2254, which is reappointing Steven Yearsley to Seat 4 of the Meridian
Planning and Zoning Commission through April 30th and appointing Nathan Wheeler to
Seat 4 of the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission with effective date of May 1st
and appointing Maria Lorcher to Seat 2 of the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission.
Again, had an opportunity to sit down and interview great candidates for Planning and
Zoning. You know, this has been -- this is one of those issues when you are a growing
community -- community that you got to really take the time and find the people that are
going to meet the -- meet the needs and have that feeling of what the community has
experienced and -- and bring stuff to the table. With this -- with the resignation of some
very qualified people, you know, start with Ryan Fitzgerald who opted not to seek -- to be
reappointed and Steven Yearsley, who has been filling in, but has kind of said he wanted
to do in a limited capacity, so it was really trying to replace two people in a very -- with
very high -- two very high quality Planning and Zoning Commissioners with others. But I
think we found a good balance in this. So, Ryan and Steven both came -- one came from
the southeast and one is in the northwest, so our two highly growing areas. We want to
try to maintain that as much as we could to keep that balance and it actually worked out
perfectly, because Nathan Wheeler, who is working to be a chaplain right now, so he's --
he's not in the area for the first next couple months or-- and would only be able to maybe
attend, but, you know, the Army has their own standards about when you are allowed to
talk and do things and go to bed. So, he -- Steven agreed to stick -- stay on for a couple
more months. That will give Nathan an opportunity to get back to the area, you know,
and it really comes down to, you know, people's hearts for the community from that
standpoint. So, we all know Steve. I'm not going to spend time really -- I just want to say
thank you to Steven, quite frankly, for continuing to serve and be there when we need to.
But Nathan has a background in land development. He's familiar with all aspects, you
know, from real estate to the back end on the construction side. You know, really from a
standpoint, though, of helping cost out projects. He lives in southeast Meridian. He is
familiar with the area. He has really lived in that part of our community most of his life,
whether it's Boise, Ada county, Meridian, kind of in that south -- southeast, southwest
parts of the area and he --we really talked about what's --what's important to him in terms
of good quality standards, good development. Talked about some of the things that he
liked in our community and also give examples of some of the developments that we
wasn't as excited about, so got a good flavor for that and why and, you know, he's -- he's
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a champion of responsible growth and being mindful of the inputs and how that has
impact. So, he's -- he's the one that -- moving forward to replace Steven Yearsley.
Second up is Maria Lorcher. She comes from a long -- longtime Meridian resident and I
think there is a real value towards having people with the real historical perspective of our
community, about where it's been and where it's going and still want to be part of that
from that standpoint. Been here since 1995 as a business owner. Currently owns
property built in a subdivision and agricultural land in this area, property that will be
impacted by the Highway 16 extension and, you know, really tries to balance the growing
needs of the community, along with, really, the historic aspects that we all love. She talks
about her love for downtown. Talked about the love for historic places and how do you
incorporate that into a community that continues to evolve over time. But I think she will
bring a great balance and perspective to it. She's shown that she is not afraid to get in
the trenches and she's served on a -- a school district boundary committee, you know,
from that standpoint. So, it's with great enthusiasm that I bring her forward as well for
your consideration and with that I'm happy to answer any questions about these
applicants.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: I just want to say thank you to our applicants. I started off in the Planning and
Zoning Commission. It's very dear to my heart and I -- I appreciate the desire to volunteer,
first of all, but also to volunteer specifically for this and to use all the talents and skills that
-- that have been acquired over years and years of service to our community in different
capacities. I did carefully read through the applications. I was very curious about all of
our new commissioners. The question I have for you, though, is just -- one of my -- the
things that -- the thing that kind of surprised me was it seems like Mr. Shoemaker, who
we just talked about, has -- has more of that new construction, maybe some planning
experience and had applied for the Transportation Commission and yet Ms. -- Mrs.
Lorcher seems to have that transportation experience and apply for the Planning and
Zoning Commission. So, just wanted to hear a little bit more about that and I trust -- I
trust the -- you, Mr. Mayor and -- and everyone who is involved in that interviewing
process, but I just -- I was just curious about that. Thought you might share for us.
Simison: Sure. From a -- from a -- from an overall perspective -- and, you know, Mr.
Shoemaker did express at one point time a potential maybe in the future interested in
Planning and Zoning. He is involved in the development community. I think we always
have to take a quick hard look at that as part of it and, yes, while Maria does have a --
her business is in the transportation world, that's really not -- I won't say that's not where
her heart is, but in her service I think she's really -- it's a bigger viewpoint about a longtime
Meridian resident who wants to be involved and connected to the changes in growth and
being part of that and figuring out how she can help us move forward while maintaining
our small town historical roots where appropriate. Any further questions? If not, do I have
a motion?
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Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: A comment and, then, I will be happy to make a motion. Just, again, appreciate
these nominations and I think you touched on something that I think is important for us
on Council and important for consideration for future appointees. We focus so much on
the value of people coming in that can understand the process, but I really applaud that
you have went out and found some candidates that have some historical knowledge about
our community. I think that's as important, if not more important, especially on our
Planning and Zoning Commission. So, again, great appointees, a great slate, I'm really
excited for our Planning and Zoning Commission who has been doing really really great
work for a long time. Mr. Mayor, with that I move we approve resolution number 21-2254
reappointing Steve Yearsley, Nathan Wheeler -- appointing Nathan Wheeler and
appointing Maria Lorcher to the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: I second that motion.
Simison: I have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion on the motion? If not,
all in favor signify by saying aye. Noes? The ayes have it and the resolution is agreed
to.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Simison: And I believe we have two of the three with us at this point in time. Is that
correct, Mr. Clerk?
Johnson: Mr. Mayor, believe we just have Maria.
Simison: Okay. All right. Maria, if you would like to unmute yourself and make any
comments we would love to hear from you.
Lorcher: City Council and Mayor, thank you for the opportunity to be part of the Planning
and Zoning Commission. I am excited to work with all of you and the future of Meridian.
ACTION ITEMS
3. Appointment and Swearing In of Tracy Basterrechea as Chief of the
Meridian Police Department
Simison: All right. Thank you, Maria. Appreciate it very much. Okay. With that, Council,
we will move on to our Action Items this evening. Yeah. That's -- that's a -- that's your
guys's call on that one. It is on the agenda, so -- so, Council, the next item on the agenda
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is appointment and swearing in of Tracy Basterrechea. This is chief of Meridian Police
Department. So, first, I got to -- I guess I got to make my case for this from that standpoint.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor, I don't think you -- it shouldn't take you too long to make the case.
Simison: Okay. Well, I -- I appreciate that very much then. I will say a few things and --
and just from a practical standpoint I'm supposed to read his bio. You know, I'm going to
skip the bio from -- from the practical perspective. It's been put in the news releases and
whatnot. But I just want to, you know, say thank you to Tracy for agreeing to step in and
take this role. I saw Chief Lavey here tonight and, you know, to make that transition to
help prepare someone who can step up and have the support of the department, of the
law enforcement community, the regular community and, then, be willing to step into that
role it means a lot to the community and so I have appreciated the last month that we
have spent, you know, on the phone, e-mails, exchanged documents, getting to know
each other. You give me a book that I will read. I promise you I will read that book. For
those that don't know me that's a big concession on my part in life to take that effort, but
what you really have brought through these conversations and -- is talking about your
vision moving forward and we know that with you that starts with the dignity and respect
and we are really focused on that in terms of what that means to our community, you
know, when the officers are out doing their work, what they can expect and that goes a
long ways in saying this is the right way that we want to continue, because how we treat
others, as you mentioned, is how they are going to treat our officers and that's -- that's a
huge element to look at. You are forward thinking on the service and delivery. I know
that you and former Chief Lavey really worked on what that -- what the future of the
department was going to look like, because we know we are in that time of transition, both
from a -- how service should be delivered, what service should be delivered and what our
future of our department will look like as we are aging through our department and we will
have change in people and leadership over that time and, you know, obviously, your
connection to the community, the dynamics. You are connected, you have those
relationships and you are going to continue on to be a great ambassador. So, with that,
Council, would love to have any action on this confirmation or comments or questions.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: I will make a comment, just that Tracy impressed me from when I first sat down
with him before he was in the running to become our next police chief and I really ###felt
how genuine he was in his care for the community and I can tell that he will really keep
up with that philosophy of community policing and that he's so forward thinking on a lot of
areas that are evolving really fast and I'm so excited that you nominated him. Thank you.
Simison: Council, any further questions or comments?
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
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Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: For me -- and I will be brief, but for me this was a no brainer decision for sure. I
have known Tracy for a while and it -- it's very evident and plain as day that the chief has
been prepared and groomed for this role for a very long time. It's evident that he has the
support from his staff and his -- his -- his team at the Police Department. I can honestly
say this, as long as I have been in the public sector, or even in the private, I can't
remember a time that someone has received so much over -- overwhelming support as
Tracy has received for this role. I think it boils down to his -- his vision and what he sees
for Meridian going forward in the Police Department and I'm excited to see what that looks
like. Excited to sit down and have more conversations with Tracy about that. But
ultimately -- excuse me -- in my -- in my opinion what strikes me the most is his family
values and his love for community. So, again, this is an easy decision for many of us, if
not all of us tonight, so I am excited to see Tracy as our next police chief here in Meridian.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Yeah. I just wanted to say a few words. Number one, I want to point out a
compliment to the city, to you and past leaders, for the city process that you put into place
for succession planning. I mean to -- to grow our leaders from within, to develop people
to their full potential and to have them now available to us and have a transition process
that's smooth and -- and something we know what we are getting and we are pleased to
get. But for really that to be successful you got to have quality people to start with and --
and -- and certainly when -- I don't know how long it took for the folks there in the Police
Department to recognize Tracy and what he had, if it was just six months, a year, two
years, to realize as a young man he had great potential and to develop that and to bring
him along -- he's an outstanding individual, he's a great leader and, as you pointed out,
his philosophy of treating people with dignity and respect no matter where they come from
is one that certainly is something all of us need to -- need to follow and -- and to be better
at and so in a job in law enforcement that really has just gotten tougher over the years, to
have a quality leader who is going to do the right things, I know we are going to be -- be
proud of Tracy and I think it was great to have you recognize that as well as you went
through your process and bringing him before us tonight. So, kudos to you, Mayor.
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: If I could -- could jump on the discussion here. 1, too, applaud your efforts to get
Tracy here in this appointment and Councilman Bernt hit it on the head with regards to
the --the amount of support that we have received. Tracy has been a fantastic role model
in our Police Department and will be an exceptional leader. Amongst his traits that -- that
I think make him and will make him extremely exceptional at the chief position is his
adherence to accountability, amongst other things. He holds people accountable. He
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holds himself accountable. It's true as a husband, as a father, as a friend, as a role model,
as a mentor to younger officers and now as a leader of our community, he holds all
accountable, starting with self. That's a sign of a true leader, a sign that -- that our
community is certainly rallying behind him. Meridian is special in a lot of ways and this is
-- tonight is a great example when you see this overwhelming support from friends and
family, all the electeds, staff, colleagues, anyone who has crossed his path knows it's the
right man at the right time for this position. So, hats off to you for bringing this
appointment. God bless you, Tracy. We love you and we are excited to get you to -- to
work as our chief.
Simison: Council, any further comments?
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: Council Member Bernt hit it on the head. It's a no brainer. Kudos to you, Mr.
Mayor and Tracy, you both did your due diligence to make sure that Tracy is the right fit
for our city, what we all knew, and, Tracy, you made sure this is the right fit for you, which
we all hoped. I'm so excited to be here today. I -- oh, man. I must have caught the Treg
Bernt disease tonight. I first learned about Tracy when I found out I was going to come
work for the city. My father said -- oh -- you are going to work alongside Tracy. You are
going to learn a lot from him. You are going to learn a lot about leadership. And for -- for
somebody that I admire so much to have so much admiration for you meant a lot and his
was awesome -- is that every instance, every encounter I have had with him has
confirmed that. To me tonight's vote of confirmation isn't just confirming you, it's a vote
for the department and a great future and I firmly believe you could go work anywhere in
the world and they would be lucky to have you and we somehow tricked you to fall in love
with us and I'm happy that you are here and, Mr. Mayor, unless there is any other
comments, I'm happy to get the privilege maybe as being the liaison to make a motion.
Simison: Hold on for one second. Do we have any other Council Member would like to
make any comments? Okay. Then I think that you are good to go, Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: It is with great pleasure and pride that I move that we confirm your appointment
of Tracy Basterrechea to serve as the Meridian Police Chief, effective immediately.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: That's an easy second for me.
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Simison: We have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion on the motion? If not,
I think, Clerk, we will call the roll on this one.
Roll call: Bernt, yea; Borton, absolutely; Cavener, yea; Hoaglun, yea; Strader, yea;
Perreault, yea.
Simison: All ayes. Motion carries. Congratulations on step one this evening.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
Simison: So, we will do what we can to -- get close to the mic so that you can -- your
words can be heard by all. But I just want to say welcome to everyone officially, because
I'm sure you are here for this purpose tonight. It's great to see some of our -- obviously,
the department, community members, former elected officials and others are here to
support Tracy this evening. But I did want to give a special welcome to Tracy's family this
evening. A special time for everybody. I know. Last thing I want to say to you, Tracy,
before we do the oath, in today's world it takes a special person to do this job, especially
to be the leader of the department, and I know you -- you have been preparing for this for
your entire career and there is nobody better for this role and you have my complete trust
and confidence and I hope to learn more from you than I can ever imagine, so that I can
pass it along to others in the city and ways. So, with that I'm going to ask you to raise
your right hand and repeat after me. I, Tracy Basterrechea, do solemnly swear or affirm
that I will support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution and laws of
the state of Idaho, and the laws and ordinances of the City of Meridian. That I will abide
by the Law Enforcement Code of Ethics and the policies and procedures of the Meridian
Police Department. That I will obey the lawful orders and directives of those appointed
over me and that I will to the best of my ability faithfully discharge all the duties of the
Office of the Chief of Police in and for the City of Meridian, Idaho, so help me God.
(Repeated by Tracy Basterrechea.)
Simison: So, the last thing that we are going to be doing -- and I would ask Tracy's family
to please come forward right now, his wife Andi and son Antonio. They will be doing the
chief's badge at this point in time. I would just like to say that I think it's important for us
all to remember in these roles how much of a role the family plays. You know, the
sacrifices that they make on a given day for people they are willing to take on these --
these roles and responsibilities. So, with that I will let you go ahead and take it over from
here. I would like to present our 15th Chief of Police Tracy Basterrechea for some words.
Basterrechea: Well, let's hope I can get through this. First of all, thank you, Honorable
Mayor Simison and esteemed members of the City Council. It is my honor to be named
the Chief of Police for the Meridian Police Department. I am extremely grateful for your
support and guidance. I have honorably served the City of Meridian and the Police
Department for 24 plus years and it is humbling to be named the Chief of Police of the
agency I started my career with. An agency and community I love. I will not let you down
and not to make this sound like an academy awards acceptance speech, but tonight really
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isn't about me, it's about the people who help you get to where you get and I do have
many people to thank. In this country we like to talk about self made men and self made
women, but I do not believe there is such a person. Each and every one of us are where
we are because somebody helped us along the way, whether it was through a piece of
advice, a hand up, or just believing in us. Knowing this I want to take -- I want to thank
those who have helped me during my journey. First I would like to thank the men and
women of the Meridian Police Department and their families, who have worked hard to
build the great relationship we have with our community and for their support they have
shown me over the years. Especially want to thank the command staff who has always
been there to humble me. And next thank you to all of my mentors in the law enforcement
community. The instructors, supervisors, and just damn good cops who have helped to
guide me. Too many to mention for fear I will leave someone out. Former chiefs Bill
Gordon, Mike Worley, Bill Musser, and Jeff Lavey, who all taught and mentored me along
the way. The late Mayor Robert Corrie who hired me and supported me more than he
probably should have. Late Council Member Keith Bird, who taught me to play the long
game, how to disagree without being disagreeable, and, more importantly, how to forgive.
And former Council Member Charlie Rountree, who taught me to be prepared and to
realize when someone is asking you questions they aren't trying to sabotage you, they
are trying to get you to think and they are trying to understand. Former Mayor Tammy de
Weerd, who taught me to welcome feedback and embrace disagreement. I would also
like to thank the teachers, coaches, and mentors over the years, especially people like --
coaches like Tom Bingham, Jerry Sabala and Bob Milligan, among so many others.
Countless friends who over the years have provided wise counsel and support. I would
like to thank my hometown of Gooding, who taught me about community. Most
importantly I would like to thank my family. My brothers Jeff and Rick, who have always
supported and guided me, no matter what our differences may be, you will not come
between the Basterrechea brothers. My niece Misty, who is like a sister to me, and has
always made me feel more important than I am. I want to thank my mom Doris and my
dad Luis. I wish nothing more for my mom to be here today. She hated that I was going
to become a cop, but she supported my brothers and I without question and taught us
every person has worth. My dad, who is here today, came to this country at the age of
17 on a sheep herding contract, coming from a country where he wasn't even allowed to
speak his native language in public. He taught my brothers and I what loyalty and work
ethic really means. He worked six and a half to seven days a week so we could live a
better life. Most of all I want to say thank you and show my gratitude to my wife Andi and
son Antonio. They have endured so much over my years as a police officer. Late nights
and many nights that Andi spent sleepless wondering if I was going to come home,
especially during my days working undercover. When we met she thought she was going
to marry a teacher and a wrestling coach. Sorry about that. But thank you for your
undying support throughout my career. And last I want to say thank you to the community
for your support of our police officers. We have something special here and just know
every decision we will make as a Police Department will be based around treating people
with dignity and respect. Thank you.
Simison: Council, let's take a ten minute recess and we will reconvene at 6:50 with the
regular City Council meeting.
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(Recess: 6:37 p.m. to 6:51 p.m.)
4. Public Hearing Continued from December 15, 2020 for Spurwing
Sewer Easement Annexation (H-2020-0087) by Shari Stiles,
Engineering Solutions, LLP, Generally Located North of W. Chinden
Blvd./Sh 20-26, Northeast of N. Ten Mile Rd.
A. Request: Annexation of 0.60 of an acre of land with an R-4 zoning
district.
Simison: Council, we will go ahead and come back in from recess. Next item on the
agenda is public hearing continued from December 15th, 2021, for Spurwing Sewer
Easement Annexation, H-2020-0087. We will return to this public hearing with staff
comments. Turn this over to Sonya. Sonya, if you are there you are muted.
Johnson: Mr. Mayor, my apologies. We were muted. So, Sonya should be able to hear
us now.
Simison: Okay. Sonya, we have reopened the public hearing and turn this over to you.
Allen: Good evening, Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council. Give me just a moment and I
will share my screen. Can you all see the presentation?
Simison: We can see your notes.
Allen: I was afraid of that. Sorry about that. I'm not sure why I can't see my presentation.
Let's go about this a different way here. Tell me when you can see it. Can you see it
now?
Borton: No.
Allen: No?
Johnson: Mr. Mayor? Sonya, I'm bringing up your presentation here. I will give you
control over the screen.
Allen: Thank you so much, Chris. It shows on my end that it's showing. I'm not sure why
it's not. Tell me when you would like me to begin, Clerk, please.
Johnson: So, I have sent you information to take over control of the screen. You should
see a pop up and be able to take control.
Simison: And once you feel comfortable you can go ahead and begin.
Allen: I do not see a pop up. I'm sorry, I must be having internet issues, Chris.
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Johnson: Let me know when to advance, I will take care of it.
Allen: Thank you. Go ahead and advance, please. Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council,
at the public hearing on December 15th the Council continued the subject annexation
request to tonight's meeting in order for the applicant to work with the neighbors, the
Tsengs specifically to determine landscaping that they would be amenable to between
their property and the access road and for staff to clarify emergency access options via
Chinden Boulevard with ITD. Sarah from ITD should be in attendance tonight to answer
any questions Council has regarding this access. Staff did verify with ITD that if an access
were granted by ITD solely on the Spurwing property via Chinden, the cross-access
easement granted to the Wagners to the west, the Wagner's existing access via Chinden
would be required to be removed, which isn't feasible at this time as Mr. Wagner does
want to retain his existing access. An agreement was reached between the applicant and
the Tsengs signed copy of which is included in the public record. The applicant has
agreed to pay the Tsengs a sum of 15,000 dollars, the cost of a wrought iron fence
between their property and the access road, upon approval of the subject application by
City Council in exchange for the Tsengs withdrawing their objections to the application.
One letter of testimony has been received since the last hearing from Greg Stock. He is
requesting the annexation and emergency access road is denied for the reasons noted
in his letter. Staff will turn it over to the applicant at this time. Thanks.
Simison: Council, any questions for staff at this time? Okay. With that I will ask the
applicant to, please, come forward. State your name and address for the record and be
recognized for 15 minutes.
McKay: Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council. Becky McKay with Engineering
Solutions. Business address 1029 North Rosario in Meridian. I'm here this evening
representing the applicant on this application. I apologize that I was not -- could not be
in attendance on the 15th with the first public hearing. I was stuck over in the city of Star.
They did have me at the first of their agenda and I had hoped to be finished there, so that
I could, then, rush to Meridian, but it -- it didn't transpire and so the burden fell upon Mr.
Freeman to -- to, obviously, try to explain to the Council and the Mayor the history of this
project. I have been working on this project for 14 years, believe it or not. The project
that just keeps giving. When we initially got the project approved it was in 2007. The
recession hit and hit hard and the project -- we had it all designed and was -- it was put
on hold. One of the conditions that the Council had placed and the Fire Department upon
this project was that we obtain a secondary vehicular access to the -- the development,
since our single access came within -- off Balata Court in Spurwing Subdivision. So, we
made it a priority and this is the actual right-of-way permit that I submitted in 2008. My
signature is on the bottom and we submitted a design for that emergency access and it
was approved and it's signed on the bottom by ITD. We, then, proceeded to install that
access. This aerial here shows -- it's a 2008 aerial that came from ITD from Shona Tonkin
and it shows that the emergency vehicle access -- you can see Mr. -- Mr. Wagner had two
existing -- Mr. Wagner had two existing approaches to Chinden and here is our
emergency access and we designed it and we paved it and it was finaled by ITD in 2008.
Then we kind of sat and waited for the economy to -- to improve. We came through with
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multiple time extensions. This particular project had five time extensions, which is my all
time record. The last time extension I brought before the Council I promised that I will not
come back again and give me just six months and we shall build this and record it and
we did. Prior to that in 2012 Spurwing Greens development to the west of the golf course
was, obviously, starting and, then, Spurwing Challenge that was bought by the Andersons
to the east of the Spurwing golf course and the existing Spurwing development needed
to extend Meridian sewer. So, my client Jock Hewitt provided an easement that went
through our undeveloped property at the time and, then, went eastward to service
Spurwing Greens. At that time there were -- was a gravel road that was constructed
across our undeveloped property, which you can see here, and, then, they went in and
installed access to the manholes that were in the golf course and the sewer came down,
across, and, then, down this direction and you can kind of see that -- that gravel access
road that went out to Balata Court. In 2014 1 was contacted by Mr. Splett, who worked
for District Three in right-of-way permits. He indicated that the Walmart had been
approved by the City of Meridian and Ada County Highway District -- one of their
conditions was that they would expand and signalize the Ten Mile-Chinden intersection
and he informed me that ITD would be extinguishing our access -- or emergency access
to Chinden and he said there is no way that we can retain it, because it conflicts with the
signal pole location. So, then, this is what was built and you can see that they have --
they have a single turn lane, but they have striped it for a dual turn lane. They relocated
Mr. Wagner's approach and, then, they removed the emergency access that we had
constructed here along Chinden Boulevard. This is another picture, kind of shows you
what that intersection looks like. I -- I did -- I did go to ITD when we submitted -- when all
of this kind of started going sideways on us. The first thing I did is -- I had to figure out
where is my secondary access going to be. So, I met with Perry Palmer, who was the fire
chief at the time, and I said, Perry, I -- you know, we have got a -- we have got a situation
here and he said, well, you -- you have a sewer access and we had extended Suez water
with an additional easement going north and he said, you know, what about that as -- as
an access -- as a secondary access, because you are required to have an all weather
gravel surface that can handle 75,000 gross vehicle weight anyway. So, I did submit --
did submit plans to -- these were the plans that we submitted to Mr. Palmer. We also
submitted them to Public Works. We also submitted them to the Planning Department.
They were approved by all entities and Mr. Palmer provided us this on February 17th of
2017, his approval of that emergency access. Then when we started to construct it, then,
everything kind of went sideways and we got notification from Ada county that we had a
stop work order, because we were installing a gravel emergency access road within the
county. So, we had a meeting with the planning director at the time and their staff in the
city -- and the county attorney and -- and I informed them -- I said, well, you know, we
have received approval from Meridian Public Works, Meridian Fire, Meridian Planning
and they said, well, you are not in the City of Meridian and they said we have -- this is on
Spurwing golf course and -- and we in 1994 approved that project, which had no
interconnectivity to any projects, and they said, therefore, you are going to have to do a
traffic and development plan and a grading and drainage plan, so that we can approve it.
So, we said okay. So, we stopped all work, didn't do anything, submitted the application,
the construction plans they wanted, the staff denied it. So, then, we appealed to the
county commissioners. We went before the county commissioners. We had significant
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opposition from some of the neighbors on Balata Court. Primary discussion was the
interconnectivity of the paved access with the automatic gates between Spurwing Greens
and Balata Court. Old Spurwing. And I kept explaining this -- this -- we have nothing to
do with that. This is totally independent of that. The county commissioners --
Commissioner Visser, Commissioner Kenyon, then, looked at me and said, well, you
know, if Meridian wants emergency vehicle access they have utilities there, then, you
should annex into Meridian and Commissioner Visser and Commissioner Kenyon
questioned me multiple times -- well, why can't you just go to Meridian and so I said, well,
I didn't think that we would need to do this, but I guess that's an option and so they went
ahead and they denied our appeal. So, that's why we are here today. We met with your
staff. I submitted to the county Warren Stewart's letter, the pictures of your vac trucks,
how much they weigh. A letter from Suez, who has a water main in the same location as
your sewer main and, then, we also got a letter from ITD, because the county transmitted
to ITD and ITD's letter is very -- very informative and it -- and it basically states that there
can be emergency access to Chinden with the following conditions: That, one, there is
only a single approach. There can't be Mr. Wagner's and an emergency access. Two,
there has to be a cross-access agreement between the Wagner's property and the
approach has to be constructed in alignment with the outside westbound turning lane, so
that that intersection will be in alignment. And, then, on the last page they -- they kind of
inserted -- and they did specify that they eliminated our access in 2014 when PACLAND
for Walmart came through with their application for intersection improvements and, lastly,
it said ITD cannot -- cannot allow a second direct approach at the intersection of Chinden
and Ten Mile, but we will consider the option of using a single approach. Mr. Wagner is
here this evening. He was not able to attend the -- the meeting on the 15th. Mr. Wagner
has no intentions of developing his property at this time. He wants to just live there in the
house, like he and his wife and their grandson have done, and he has just basically put
all development plans on hold, nor does he want to move his approach or grant any cross-
access for our development. What we planned on doing is -- you can see in this aerial
there -- that's an access to one of your manholes. So, there is a base. There is ribbon
curb and that's what I was told by Chris Anderson, who -- they had -- they are the tenant
on the golf course and he told me they won't allow me to come across the second hole to
go to Chinden and he said we would prefer that you utilize and use this as a multi-use,
because we have a sewer easement for the City of Meridian, a water easement for Suez,
and that would be also used for an emergency access. He said on one condition. I want
ribbon curb on one -- on each side of it. I want a base and, then, I want you to cap it with
perma bark, so that it's aesthetically pleasing. So, that's what our plans indicated and
one of the reasons that he gave me for not wanting any access out to Chinden was the
fact that this hole here, they may want to redo it at some point in time and so one of the
things that Mr. Hewitt did is we clipped this corner of our project, which would allow for
the golf course to come around and, then, there -- they may move this hole to a different
location and he said I will not have that flexibility and it would obviously degrade the quality
of our golf course if you come across it. But if you stay along the side where we already
have the Meridian sewer and Suez water, that would be less disruptive. So, this -- this is
what we cut in and it's obviously over X'd. I mean it looks -- it -- when we go in and we X
out for something we -- we take that -- take it down, we fill it with gravel, and, then, it will
narrow up to the 20 foot maximum. That will be utilized for maintenance for sewer and
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for water and for emergency vehicle access. The neighbors were concerned about
pedestrians. We said at the Planning and Zoning Commission they put a condition on us
-- sign it no access. Private property. We said fine. Put a gate on each end. Knox box.
We said fine. Tony Tseng's property is right here. He is now -- Mr. Hewitt met with Tony,
which the Council asked him. I read through your minutes. You said reach out to Mr.
Tseng, see if you can come to an agreement. They have come to an agreement. You
can see that there is a significant amount of vegetation there. Mr. Tseng did not want us
to install the wrought iron. Instead he wanted us to pay him, so that if he chooses to
install it he can place it where he wants it and he is no longer in opposition and he was
the one that was most affected, that the Council obviously asked that -- that we reach out
to and spend a significant amount of time. Here is a copy of the gate. There was a
question what that gate looks like and, then, here is the letter from Mr. Bongiorno, who
also asked that we construct this secondary access. May I answer any questions?
Simison: Thank you. Council, any questions?
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: Becky, is that gated at both ends of the emergency access or just one?
McKay: Mr. Mayor, Councilman Borton, it -- we were asked to put a gate at both ends
with a Knox box.
Borton: Okay. Thank you.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: And, Becky, to confirm Tsengs just wanted dough? They just wanted -- they just
wanted money? They are not going to -- they are not going to have you do anything and
they are not going to --
McKay: I submitted to the public record the letter that -- that they signed -- both Mr. and
Mrs. Tseng signed that they -- they said they -- they wanted the money instead of the
fence. They didn't want us to install the fence. And in my conversations with Sonya she
was concerned that if we installed the fence where would the fence go. She didn't want
any no man's land. So, that seemed to work better for the staff, that then they would
control where that fence went and when that fence goes up and if it goes up. But Mr.
Hewitt and Mr. Tseng ended on good terms and I think -- I think we have a solution here
and -- and that's -- that's what I'm hoping. I'm hoping that this 14 year adventure of mine
ends this evening.
Simison: Council, any additional questions for the applicant?
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Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: Just one and, I don't know, maybe -- I don't know who else is speaking next, but
the -- paying the fee and not paying the -- and not putting the wrought iron fence in -- the
fence I thought was intended to alleviate some of the concern and whether it's this
homeowner or a future homeowner of this property, it just seems odd that a fee would be
paid and -- rather than actually put in a wrought iron fence, which is ultimately what was
appropriate to try and remedy some of the concerns, so --
McKay: Mr. Mayor, Councilman Borton, I think that question is probably better suited for
Mr. Freeman, because he also had conversations with Tony Tseng and -- and Mr.
Freeman -- I was -- I was not a part of that conversation, so I would defer to Mr. Freeman
to answer that question.
Borton: Okay.
Simison: Council, any additional questions for the applicant?
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Thank you, Becky. I was not at the meeting on December 15th, but I have had
time to go through the last meeting finally and did want to follow up. It seemed like there
was a question regarding whether the police and the ambulances and other responders
could use the same basically lockbox on the gate that the fire department uses. I think
that was a Knox box. Is there going to be an opticom box? How does that -- maybe you
are not the right person, I don't know, but how do we make sure that if this was to move
forward that all emergency responders would be able to utilize this access?
McKay: Mr. -- Mr. Mayor, Council Woman Strader, that's a -- that's a good question. I --
I was always under the assumption that -- that the Knox box keys were available to any
emergency services, because I know, you know, there is situations may arise where --
where the police may need to -- to get access. Obviously Public Works will need to get
access. Suez will need to get access for maintenance purposes. So, I'm not sure if there
-- if there is -- is some universal -- there is no universal. But we would be glad to work
with -- with your emergency services, you know, to -- to make sure that everybody has
access. Obviously, two -- two ways in -- two points of access into a development is what
is preferred. I just had this conversation with Fire Chief Timinsky over in Star and -- and
he is -- has talked about -- they have done a real poor job of interconnectivity between
these older subdivisions and how they are making efforts to try to improve
interconnectivity and he said in the event of a -- even a house fire he said we will send
engines from two different directions, you know, to -- because we will hook to different
hydrants and so forth. So, you know, this is, in my opinion, a life safety issue that -- that
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we need to make sure we don't ignore and -- and that's my goal is to do what's right, but
-- but we are -- we are open to suggestions. Maybe -- maybe chief -- you know, Mr.
Bongiorno has a -- a solution. I don't know.
Simison: Yeah. I think we would be -- that's a great question. Because I -- now that --
especially if we start bringing Suez into the equation, I don't know that our Public Works
Department has the -- I'm sorry, what is it, Lieutenant Leslie? The motocons? I don't
know -- opticoms. Opticoms. I don't think those are on Public Works. So, I don't -- this
is going to be a humdinger. I'm trying to figure out how you can get multiple people in.
Bongiorno: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Yes, deputy chief.
Bongiorno: So, typically what we do for some -- because this is a gate, we will be putting
a Knox padlock on there and typically when you have multiple people that are trying to
access a gate, what we usually do is we lock our-- our padlocks together and so that way
if I get there I can unlock the gate and drop the chain. If Public Works gets there they can
unlock their lock and drop the chain. So, they are chained -- they are locked together.
That's one of the better ways of doing it with a gate or chain, so we can just lock all of our
locks together, so everybody has access. Now, as far as PD goes, we can work with the
Police Department on --the Police Department does not carry Knox keys in their vehicles.
So, typically what we do is if there is some type of an incident we will -- our battalion chiefs
carry keys -- all of our units carry keys. I carry keys. Both my inspectors carry keys that
are locked in our vehicles and so we can give PD a key if there is an incident going on
and they don't want us in the area. So, we will give them a key. They -- they have the
protection that they carry with them and -- and they can unlock the lock as well and, then,
worst case scenario as with any lock a pair of bolt cutters works great.
Simison: Thank you. Any additional questions for the applicant? Okay. Thank you very
much. Mr. Clerk, do we have anyone signed up to provide testimony?
Johnson: Mr. Mayor, we have two sign up in advance. First is Patricia Liddell.
Simison: If you can state your name and address for the record, please.
Liddell: Sure. My name is Patricia Liddell and my business address is 6149 Meeker in
Boise. 83713. Hi, Treg. I am a representative for the homeowners in Olive Tree. I am
the community manager for those homeowners that -- that live there and we tried to seek
some information from the homeowners as to whether or not they were in support of this
application and I would say that, yes, I have -- we -- we don't have a fully built out or
occupied subdivision at this time, but we reached out to the homeowners and I have 15
of the homes that have signed letters of support and I wasn't sure if you want me to give
that to you guys -- submit it as information or -- but I have them here for you if you would
like. So, at this point my -- I don't have all the history, obviously, that the engineers and
the legal people have. However, my question to you all is -- I'm sure that you live in a
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subdivision and I'm sure that your concern for your family's safety and security would be
top of mind and I believe that having a secondary access and the homeowners believe
that the secondary access is really important for their safety and security, so I would just
ask that you would consider approval of this easement annexation and, then, we can just
move forward and keep those folks safe. So, I don't know if you have any questions for
me, if that's appropriate, but I would be happy to try and answer them.
Simison: Thank you. Council, any questions?
Liddell: Okay. Great. Thank you.
Johnson: Mr. Mayor, next is Rick Mauritzson representing the Spurwing HOA. He will
correct me on that if I'm wrong.
Mauritzson: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council. My name is Rick Mauritzson. I
represent the Spurwing HOA board, as well as the Balata residents. I want to start off
with a few discussions regarding Ms. McKay's presentation, so I'm going to jump to what
was presented in December. Ms. McKay has repeatedly over -- through Ada county and
through Meridian city meetings claimed that this road has always existed and at least in
a gravel form and that is very false. The 2007 plot map shows no existing road. Adjacent
property owners in December submitted substantial photos confirming this. The satellite
views provided by the developer are intended to mislead Meridian P&Z and City Council.
The recent claim to be a nonmaintained road is simply disturbed earth from the installation
of the sewer lines. If you recall from December this was shared -- you can see there on
both photos what Ms. McKay's claiming as a previously existing road. That is simply
disturbed earth from installation of the sewer line and from construction traffic during that
installation. You can see there is also what appears to be -- if that's a gravel road there
is also a gravel road running horizontal across the fairway, which we know does not exist.
Again, it's disturbed earth from the installation of sewer line. Moving on to Commissioner
Visser. I think it's a little misleading, Ms. McKay's comments there, but here on the first
main bullet why Ada County Commissioner Visser had suggested the developer could
pursue annexation with Meridian city, it should be made clear that the Board of Ada
County Commissioners was not in favor of the proposed road. He had asked during the
commissioners meeting, you know, why not, but that was the extent of it that she's
referring to. In regards to the Anderson's denial of the road in its original location, point
you here to the first main bullet. The Club at Spurwing has no authority on this matter as
they are tenants and leased the property in 2011 with full knowledge of the planned
emergency access road in that original location. Jumping back to tonight's presentation,
the Spurwing HOA and Balata residents have argued against the proposed road for --
location for three reasons. The new proposed location imposes a significant negative
impact to the adjacent homeowners' property value and quality of life. Two. A road is
simply not required. Installation of the fire sprinklers in remaining Olive Tree homes has
been proposed by both Meridian P&Z and the fire marshal's acceptable alternative
solution. The developer can pursue the solution without Meridian annexation. The
Meridian fire -- police chief stated during the December meeting that a secondary
emergency access, such as the one proposed, has never been used to his knowledge.
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Fire sprinklers are much more practical and likely to be used versus a secondary access.
And why go against Ada county's ruling and negatively impact Balata homeowners for a
road that is simply not necessary. There was a question in December. Why do Balata
residents care if they are not -- you know, the couple residents at the end of the cul-de-
sac. Well, those -- they care because, one, number three, which I haven't gotten to, the
safety concerns, but also in regards to number two. A lot of them are members of the
course and they prefer no road. So, no road and the fire sprinkler option would be the
preferred option from the Balata residents. And, number three, if a road is dictated by
Meridian, the original 2000 -- 2007-2008 approved emergency access location is still the
safest, least redundant, and quickest approach. With the pending home sale of the
adjacent resident, number one is less of an issue. I noticed that Ms. McKay completely
left that piece of fact out, that the resident is selling. That's why he has signed and agreed
to the road. However, the HOA has not changed its stance regarding its recommendation
against the proposal for the reasons above. So, the Tsengs have agreed to a new road
location only because they are fed up with the current situation and have decided to move
a few blocks away. They are not moving due to job or relocation, they are moving a few
blocks away because of this catastrophe here that's happened. If they were -- if they
were not moving they would still be steadfast against the proposal. The developer has
negatively impacted the Tsengs and all Balata residents with a relocation repurposing of
a previously emergency access road that now generates 500 to 600 cars a day down the
once quiet Balata cul-de-sac and there is more information in the exhibits and Ms. McKay
touched on that. A lot of the Balata residents don't trust this developer that you won't do
the same with this other road. But it's kind of beside the point. But this is why the Tsengs
are fed up and for the past one and a half years on top of that already injury, more salt in
the wound, they have been tormented with the negative impact of this new road
constructed along their property line that was relocated and constructed by the same
developer without permit. It's obvious the developer thought it would be easier to ask for
forgiveness versus permission at the expense of the Tseng's quality of life. The Tsengs
had to relocate one of their dogs, deal with continuous foot and bike traffic, and live with
an eyesore deteriorated -- deteriorated view of the golf course for the past one and a half
years. Ada county, after a very thorough investigation into the matter, ruled against the
new road, but Meridian Planning and Zoning rushed to developer's rescue with a rubber
stamped staff report recommendation, based solely on the developer's narrative with
several incorrect facts and assumptions. It's no surprise the residents have had enough.
This is Ada county's documentation and research. There is eight pages per page here.
There is a lot of research they put into this and very little that -- as far as what I can tell is
referenced by the P&Z staff. Throughout this process developer has manipulated the
system and his actions should not be rewarded when alternate solutions do exist. Regard
to the Meridian staff claims, the staff report claims that it's due to the county's denial of
the site modification and the city's requirement for an access to maintain the public utility
is the reason why they support this request. Ada county has already demanded with
pending litigation that the sewer access stub roads be reinstalled to satisfy public utility
access and, by the way, that won't require any Iockboxes, Knox boxes or opticom locks,
et cetera. A continuous road is not necessary, nor required for utility access as detailed
in the December presentation. The staff also claimed that due to the Ten Mile-Chinden
Road improvements that the intersection -- you know, to that intersection it now
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necessitates an alternative location. As shown in Exhibits 3 and 4 shown in December,
the original proposed location is still viable and this was confirmed by ITD in December
2019. The developer has simply chosen not to pursue this option. An alternate location
is not even necessary. Staff states that the developer can pursue fire sprinklers in
additional homes and this option does not require annexation. In summary, Ada county
has been very clear that the new proposed road location would be injurious and a
nuisance to adjacent property owners, while the most impacted residents have lost hope
and decided to move. The new proposed location is still not the logical safest location
and still impacts, although to a lesser degree, adjacent residents, such as the Kleins that
reside exactly opposite the cul-de-sac from the Tsengs. They look out their front door and
can see this road and the gate where it would reside and where it connects to Balata. A
continuous road is not required for sewer and water access. Ada county has pending
litigation forcing the developer to restore the original stub roads. No action needs to be
taken by Meridian to restore sewer or water maintenance access. The original 2007
proposed and approved emergency access location is the safest, least redundant, and
quickest approach. The current approach uses 60 percent of the entryway of the primary
access and it passes by the Club at Spurwing, which is your most likely choke -- most
likely choke point for any traffic issues or for emergency vehicles to get through there. An
alternate solution has been proposed by Meridian Planning and Zoning, with fire marshal
approval, involving installation of fire sprinklers in the remaining Olive Tree homes. Balata
residents support this solution to the problem. Annexation is not required for this option,
nor should it proceed until developer returns the land back to its original state, as
demanded by Ada county. Please do not allow the developer to circumvent Ada county's
decision and ruling on this matter. And it's been brought up several times about the traffic
and this is a typical scene during rush peak hours of the traffic. This is taken from the
front yard of the Tsengs. This is unrelated to this particular request, I understand that, but
you got to understand this is why they are fed up. This developer is now routing 500 to
600 cars a day past the Tseng's house and, then, on top of that they have had to live a
year and a half with a partially constructed road, which was put in without permit and they
are just tired of fighting on this. I don't have anything further tonight. I'm open for
questions or be able to go into more detail if you would like.
Simison: Thank you. For the record can you state your address.
Mauritzson: 3028 West Balata Court.
Simison: Thank you. Council, any questions?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Thank you for being here this evening. I -- I'm just curious your thoughts on in
this presentation, as well as the one from December -- well, we now know that ITD has
for sure confirmed that they are not comfortable with two accesses. So, it seems like that
option is taken off the table. I'm wondering if you could share your thoughts on that.
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Mauritzson: There was a -- I got two thoughts on that. There was a question from a
Council Member in December about whether or not the Wagners had a secondary access
and if it would be landlocked. They do have a secondary access. Ms. McKay showed
that. So, it's not completely clear. I don't know what ITD's rights are, if they can mandate
a -- you know, force a particular solution there. But that's up to ITD. But it should be
noted that there is a secondary access onto Chinden from the Wagner property. If that is
not a solution, again, you know, I think our primary focus is that the fire sprinklers is the
win-win solution for all. Andersons are happy. They don't have a road going across the
golf course where Ms. McKay pointed out. The property owners aren't impacted that are
going to move into the Tseng's residence. The golfers don't have to deal with the road on
either side and, to be honest, the sprinklers are far more likely to be used than that
secondary access anyway and some in more useful.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: I definitely get the impression that there is a deep trust issue because of what
happened with the previous emergency access. Is there anything, you know, for example,
if we were to specify that this is emergency access or put it into the development
agreement, is there anything that would help give, you know, your HOA comfort that that
will not be the case here? That was a different situation, but it feels like there is just a
mistrust or a real concern. You know, would that help overcome that concern?
Mauritzson: There is -- there is absolutely a mistrust there. You know, the developer has
proposed as much as possible, you know, in regards to it's going to be gated, it's not
going to be ever converted in the future to through traffic. I don't know what more can be
asked. But you are right, there is a distrust. I mean that road was put in, again, with
assistance of Ada county and Meridian city for that matter. If you look at the Meridian city
zoning commission report, it says that that road is not intended for through traffic and yet
we have five to six hundred cars a day, a car every minute and a half from 7:00 a.m. to
7.00 p.m. drives by the residents on that dead end cul-de-sac. That's ACHD traffic
studies.
Simison: Council, any additional questions to --
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: Rick, just curious if you and the applicant had any communication after that
December meeting, they reach out to you, you reach out to them, any way, shape, or
form?
Mauritzson: No shape or form. They did reach out, as Ms. McKay said, to the Tsengs
regarding landscape, but that was it.
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Simison: Thank you, Rick. And, Council, we do have ITD on as well if anyone would like
to direct any questions to them. This is a public hearing. We have gone through those
that have all signed up. At this point in time if there is anybody in the audience that would
like to come forward and provide testimony you can do so now or if we have anybody -- I
guess we just -- the only person we have is ITD from the public that's present. Seeing no
one --
Arjona: Hello?
Simison: Yes. Sarah, would you like to provide testimony?
Arjona: Just to clarify that the previous presentation --
Simison: Sarah.
Arjona: -- stated that that was a minimal -- hello?
Simison: Sarah, if you could state your name and address before you speak.
Arjona: Oh, yes. Sarah Arjona. I am representative of Idaho Transportation Department.
I live in Boise. So, 10370 West Landmark Court.
Simison: Okay. Go ahead.
Arjona: I just wanted to be available to the Council in case they had questions for
clarification. ITD does not have the right to take away the access from the Wagners,
unless -- you know, unless they go to develop there is no reason for them to come into
compliance with the new rules, because they were previously approved under different
circumstances and different rules since before 2012. So, as far as the emergency access
ITD is, like I said earlier, would be willing to consider a single approach to line up with the
intersection and it was also stated earlier that a cross-access agreement could not be
arranged. So, any questions?
Simison: Council, any questions?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: I don't know why my video isn't working. I apologize for that. I'm curious. It
seems to me like we wouldn't be here having this conversation if the original emergency
access wasn't removed when -- when that intersection was -- was improved. So, I'm just
-- I guess please help me understand. This is, obviously, not my field, how it was
permissible to remove that emergency access, but not to now remove the Wagner's. You
said that they are under a different set of circumstances. But if you are able to share any
of that history with us or how it was possible to remove the original emergency access
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with the intersection improvement without approval or agreement from the landowner at
that time.
Simison: Sarah, are you there?
Arjona: Sorry. It was muted. So, the Walmart project expanded the Ten Mile intersection
and both approaches as existing could not stay in their original configurations at that point
for safety reasons. So, during the project they had agreed upon -- so, in the plans that
there is shown an approach where it was rebuilt that was supposed to be a shared
approach. I can't tell you what circumstances caused it not to go through. There should
have been an agreement there. Our understanding was that it was meant to be shared
for both uses essentially. So, at this point in time ITD cannot make them give a cross-
access agreement. Again, this was determined during the project process and those
considerations were taken in -- I'm sorry, I don't have the background of that particular
project.
Simison: Council, any further questions? Is there anybody else that would like to provide
testimony at this time? If you would state your name and address for the record, please.
Wagner: Rod Wagner. 3240 West Chinden in Meridian. I just want to reiterate that I
have no plans to do any development at this time and I do not want to give up any of my
two small two acres that I have and I'm just going to stay there just like it is. Just want to
state that again. I have stated it in the last three hearings and I don't think this project
has anything to do with my property, so -- and, then, I just -- if you have any questions.
Simison: Council, any questions?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Thank you, Mr. Wagner, for being here this evening. I'm curious if you are
under the same understanding as what Sarah just shared, which was that their originally
was an intent for there to be a shared access at the time that the -- the access was
removed with the improvement of the intersection. She said she wasn't able to really give
us some history on why that intended shared access agreement never came to be. I
thought you might be able to share some history for us.
Wagner: Try that again. What are you asking exactly? Because they moved my -- my
driveway over. They only needed -- they can only have one, because of the safety issue.
My driveway was in that intersection and that's why they moved it over, as far as I can
remember.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
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Perreault: Mr. Wagner, did you have an opportunity to hear what Sarah from Idaho
Transportation Department just shared with us right before you came up to the --
Wagner: Yes.
Perreault: Did you hear her say that she was of the understanding that there was intended
to be a shared access agreement with -- with the applicant -- with the developers and you
to share that emergency access and she wasn't sure why that never came to be.
Wagner: I don't -- I never accepted any agreement like that. I don't think there is one
exists.
Perreault: Thank you.
Simison: Council, any further questions? Thank you. Is there anyone else that would
like to provide testimony at this time? If not I would ask the applicant to come forward for
final comments.
McKay: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, Becky McKay. Mr. Freeman would like to
say a couple words, too. I just want to reiterate to the Council -- I have been coming --
been coming before this body for 28 years now. You know, these county subdivisions
that were done in the '90s, they always seem to come back to haunt us due to their lack
of interconnectivity, lack of services. All those lots are on septic systems. My husband in
1994 built Spurwing Subdivision. He built the golf course. McKay Construction. He was
also a founding member of the golf course. So, I'm fully aware of all the history that
transpired and there was no interconnectivity. It was just dead end cul-de-sacs that ended
and, then, there was emergency access easements on the old plat between the two cul-
de-sacs. An opportunity when Spurwing Greens came in was provided to get some
interconnectivity and secondary access. Obviously, it has changed Balata Court, but that
is independent of my project. I am not putting any trips onto that interconnectivity between
Spurwing Greens and Balata Court. Mr. Mauritzson says, well, let's just sprinkle those
houses. We already have 30 homes that are constructed. They are not sprinkled. What
if they catch fire? What if there is a -- necessitates a second engine coming in from a
second direction? That could be problematic and this body has always looked at, one,
protecting the City of Meridian and its citizens. Two, protecting its utilities. I have an e-
mail here dated July 8 from 2020 from Bruce Freckleton to my civil engineer on this project
and it says: Let's make sure that the required compacted gravel access road over the
sewer main is in place, please. That's what this e-mail says. I have never ever had a
project in the City of Meridian where I had your sewer facilities and water facilities outside
a public right of way that I did not construct an all weather surface gravel access, nor
have I ever had a project that had more than 30 lots that did not have a secondary access.
Mr. Mauritzson, you know, he -- he claims, well, there was never any gravel in between
the two manholes. I got the information from Chris Anderson with Sundance Company,
whose contractor put it in. He indicated to me that there was gravel there and it just sank
down into the mud. All we are trying to do is we are trying to solve a life safety issue and
at the same time make sure there is adequate access to your sewer and Suez's water
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facilities, which is what we do on every project and this could be precedent setting. Hey,
don't need -- don't need them. Don't need a gravel access over the sewer and water.
You know, they will -- Public Works we will have to get four wheel drives and -- you know.
And Warren's comment to me was, you know, we get one of those vac trucks stuck we
got a big problem. We are going to have to get a huge wrecker to get it out. So, you
know, this is important and the county did not understand that. The county commissioners
don't do sewer, they don't do water. They had no grasp of this and it was very obvious.
Commissioner Lachiondo says I have no idea what you are talking about and no
understanding. I'm just voting no because staff recommended no. And Commissioner
Visser and Commissioner Kenyon said this is a Meridian problem. This is a Meridian
subdivision. These is Meridian sewer. Meridian secondary access. Annex to Meridian.
We are just going to deny you. You can go to Meridian. So, we are doing exactly what
they have instructed us to do. We are not trying to circumvent any rules. We got all of
our approvals that we thought we needed to have until we received a stop work for Ada
county and I talked to Warren and he says we have sewer and water running through Ada
county outside city limits all over. We have never ever been required to get a permit or
get a grading -- or a traffic and development plan or a grading and drainage plan. I mean,
you know, this -- this blindsided us. This is not misrepresentation. This is not something
where we are in the middle of the night building this facility. We were doing what we were
told to do by the Public Works Department, the Planning and Fire Department and I hope
that the Council supports their staff.
Freeman: Mr. Mayor. Council. Mark Freeman. Foley & Freedman Attorneys. Attorney
for the applicant. 953 South Industry Way in Meridian. Thank you for your attention this
evening. Try to make it quick. Mr. Borton -- or Councilman Borton asked a question
earlier about the applicant. We are definitely not hiding the fact that the applicant's house
is for sale and I -- apparently he has located another buyer. I -- most of the
communications with the applicant were via me and the applicant Mr. Tseng. Tony Tseng.
Speaking on the phone. We had several numerous conversations. We got to go back a
little bit on the history. How did the fence come up? Well, the fence came up because at
some point in time Tony Tseng asked Mr. Hewitt during a phone call you got to give me
something. How about if we -- how about a fence, will you pay for a fence. That's where
the fence started. We put the -- so, that's where the fence came from. The landscaping
came from what we thought -- I think it was a mistaken impression that that's what people
wanted. So, in one of Becky's updated -- or, actually, Jock got a landscape plan from
someone, they updated it and they put some landscaping in and, then, we heard from the
neighbors, oh, well, we don't want that landscaping, it obstructs our view of the golf
course. So, I spoke with Mr. Tseng. He made the offer. He -- he is -- represented to me
that he is making the offer not just for himself, but for the future owner of that parcel and
that they are going to use the funds that -- that my client agreed to pay upon approval to
resolve the issues of the fence and the location of that easement. So, my understanding
from what Mr. Tseng represented to me is that -- is that the new owner is not going to
come in and be shocked that there is an emergency access there, that these funds --
somehow they have negotiated that -- they have worked that out. So, I think we have the
-- we have the approval and no objection from the person who is the most affected by the
project. I wanted to make that point -- point first. I don't have a lot of points to make. Mr.
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Mauritzson may not know -- he made a statement that there has been no effort to contact
him. That may be correct. But my client -- my client's president, Mr. Jock Hewitt, made
an attempt, reached out, left a voice message for the actual president of the homeowners
association, who is Eric Epperson. He is the board of the Spurwing HOA. He's never
received a return call. So, it wasn't that -- that we just ignored the Spurwing board, my
client called the president and said, hey, I'm supposed to talk to you, I'm happy to talk to
you, and never received a return call back. I think the point's been probably beat -- beat
in well enough to everybody that these -- some of the neighbors on Balata have a --
maybe a legitimate -- they have a legitimate right to complain about whatever they want,
but they are upset about the traffic on their court and that's not this applicant. It's not Mr.
Hewitt. That's the--that's the development over at Spurwing Greens and that connectivity
issue, that's a total different issue. We have been saying that all along. I know they are
upset about that. I respect that. But that's not why we are here. This emergency access
is going to be restricted. It will only be emergency access. It's never intended to be a --
any kind of public access and we have had testimony at various times that people had to
move or they -- they -- there were dogs and people walking through. Well, there is no
gates. There is no gates on it. It was just a field and a road that sort of went through it.
Anybody could walk it. When this is done there is going to be at least two gates. My
understanding that there was going to be -- or are going to be three gates at that -- at the
-- at the location -- at the cul-de-sac in Olive Tree. My client didn't want vehicles like pull
in the emergency access, even before it gets to the Knox gates and so he is going to
install an extra gate there. So, there is actually three gates. It's a golf course. It's -- it's
not public property. People get thrown off the golf course all the time for walking on the
golf course at this location or other locations. They are never supposed to be on it, unless
they are playing golf. So, it's never permissible for anybody to ride a bike on the golf
course, walk through the golf course. You can't do that. It's not allowed. And this is no
different. But the point is this will never be used for anything other than emergency
vehicles and I guess my final point is -- if I can wrap this up really quick. Fire suppression
devices, like Becky said, really aren't an option. These people that bought homes in
Spurwing or in Olive -- Olive Tree, they bought into a subdivision that had an emergency
access and it doesn't have one and even if we sprinkler the remaining homes there is no
secondary emergency access. The -- the -- some of the opposition is, well, everybody's
going to drive in off of Spurwing Road or whatever that main entrance to Spurwing is, but
if that road is blocked how do we get to here through the emergency access, we come in
through Meridian Greens and I think it's important to know that. So, there is a valid --
there are other ways to get into the property if you allow this emergency access. And I
will stand for questions if you have any.
Simison: Thank you.
McKay: If I could just say one last word.
Simison: Really quick.
McKay: Usually what we are doing is going -- when it's finished it will look exactly like
what you see on the screen there. That's the access to the manhole. That is the perma
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bark cap with the ribbon curb on each side. So, it's not going to look any different than
what's there and over on the west side. It's going to be identical esthetically.
Simison: Council, any -- are there -- or any last questions of the applicant?
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: If I could ask a question of -- of Fire. If Chief Bongiorno is available.
Simison: He's here and ready.
Borton: Hi, Joe. So, in the -- in the door number two option of fire sprinklers, when a
project such as this goes ahead and constructs 20 some odd homes before you get to
that fork in the road, how is fire sprinklers an option in that? Does it apply only to the
homes 31 and on or do you have to go back and retrofit the first 30 homes as well?
Bongiorno: No. Mr. Mayor, Councilman Borton, we can't go -- make them go back and
sprinkler the houses that are already built. That's a done deal. So, what -- what we can
shoot for from this point forward is anything that gets built from this point forward will have
to have fire sprinklers in it. Again, it's not ideal, but it will at least give us that advantage
if there is a fire in one of those homes, that the sprinkler system is going to do its job and
keep the fire in check until we can get there. So, that's -- that will help.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: If I could follow up with a sideways question. A hypothetical. If this would have
been approved for 50 homes with no secondary access, would all 50 of the homes have
been required sprinklers as an option or only 20 of the 50 if this is a brand new other
application.
Bongiorno: If we can get it ahead of time -- I think it would depend on water supply and
how the subdivision is laid out. You know, what's the distance that we would have to go.
Honestly, I would have to look at it. Typically what we try and do is -- you know, if we
need to the whole thing should be sprinklered. If -- but, again, it's going to depend on
what's our travel time to get there. If it's -- if we are outside of our five minute goal, then,
the best option is going to be to sprinkler the whole thing. But we have had some areas
where we have had some offshoots, you know, from the main sub and -- and I have told
them if you go ahead and just fire sprinkler that little offshoot, we will be good, because
that way the extra time it's going to take to get to that area, the -- the sprinkler system
should do its job and keep the fire in check.
Simison: Thank you. Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Question for Bill Nary. I'm not sure we would normally do this, but -- and it's a
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totally different situation. So, the folks at Balata Court had an unfortunate situation with
an emergency access road that was totally different than this, but is there anything we
could do as the easement holder that would help assure them that this will remain an
emergency access road in perpetuity and -- and is there anything we can legally do that
would give them some extra assurance that this will not turn into a new thoroughfare next
to their home?
Nary: So, Mr. Mayor, Members of Council, Council Woman Strader, yes. So, this would
be part of -- since it would be an annexation, we would have a development agreement
that would require that. We would put in language that this could only be used as an
emergency access road. They would be required to put the gates in and the locks in and,
then, we have -- between -- whether it's a de-annexation, which is the ultimate hammer,
of de-annexing the property out of the city if they won't comply. Secondarily, Planning
has to approve any additional buildings or anything related to the subdivision. So, if, for
example, the 32nd house they want to build and they still haven't put the gates in, they
won't issue permits. So, they won't be able to build out the subdivision without turning
this into what they are proposing. If they were, for example, to build out the remainder
homes and somehow for some bizarre reason they took out the gates, because of -- for
whatever reason, we could sue them to enforce the contract of their development
agreement. So, we do not sleep on these things. So, when people raise to us the
concerns about how the development agreement is not being followed or how they are
not getting compliance, whether it's landscaping, whether it's parking, whether it's --
whether it's this gate's access. Yeah, we have code enforcement, we have planning and
we can sue them and so we definitely have the legal recourses to assure the residents
that that is what's intended here and that's what it will be. So, I don't know how to give
them more comfort level. I recognize there is a trust issue here, because of the other one
and that wasn't what was anticipated at that time. But here it's clear this has to be pretty
concrete on what this agreement says and that we will have the tools to enforce it if
needed.
Strader: Perfect. Thank you.
Simison: Any further questions?
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: To kind of close the loop with Planning staff, was there any condition within your
staff report -- I'm looking at it now -- that at least updated as of today that -- that you
believed remained unresolved going into today's hearing that you needed specific
direction on?
Allen: Mr. Mayor, Councilman Borton, Council, I don't believe so. The updated staff report
included conditions for gates at each end that meet the Fire Department requirements.
Signage to be installed stating that public access is prohibited beyond the gated area.
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So, unless there is any other items Council would like included, that's what's currently in
the report.
Borton: Okay. Thank you.
Allen: Thank you.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Sorry. Maybe this is a silly question for -- for Sonya, but would the DA include
the language that Mr. Nary just talked about? So, that specific language that -- that it
would only be used as emergency access, so that would be very clear.
Allen: I'm just looking at the wording right now. We can certainly state that to be
absolutely clear.
Nary: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, we can work with Planning to make sure that's
written in there.
Allen: We could -- we could actually change DA provision 1-B that says signage shall be
provided stating the public access is prohibited beyond the gated area and, then, just add
to that that it's for emergency access only, if that's what's desired by Council. I should
add -- and for maintenance by Public Works of the sewer. Thank you.
Simison: And water.
Allen: Yes. Thank you.
Simison: Council, any discussion or I will entertain a motion to close the public hearing.
Or we could take a recess if people would like a recess.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: This question would be toward the applicant before we close the public hearing.
If I could just have someone from the representation -- that's representing the applicant
answer this question in regard to -- if someone could just walk me through the process of
why the applicant-- or the -- Mr. Hewitt decided to start building that road without any type
permit or any type of permission or-- if that could just be clarified and help me understand,
bring some clarity to that issue.
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McKay: Mr. Mayor, Councilman Bernt, we -- we submitted construction plans to Public
Works -- Meridian Public Works, the Planning Department, and the Fire Department for
the off-site emergency access sewer and water maintenance roadway. Those plans were
approved. We precon'd the project with the City of Meridian and Ada County Highway
District and, therefore, we had the approvals and they had approved the specifications
with the gates and so our construction was approved by the entity in which we thought
we needed approval from.
Bernt: My next question is to staff. Why would we give approval to something like this
when it's not even part of our city? I understand that our -- you know. If someone could
just --just clarify that for me as well.
McKay: Mr. Simison, Commissioner Bernt, since the City of Meridian had a sewer
easement, part of that easement document talks about maintenance, providing an all
weather surface access, that the city has the right to go in there or have work done. There
are instances where -- and Mr. Hewitt owns the golf course. The Andersons have the
lease on the golf course. We had obtained approval. Obviously, Mr. Hewitt had given his
approval, since he is the developer and we had met with Chris Anderson, who is the lessor
and he had given approval. So, we thought we had obtained approvals from all entities.
The Fire Department -- everyone to construct. It was not until someone complained to
the county that we were -- we had started that -- that roadway. That, then, we received a
stop work. I have never encountered this issue and I asked Warren Stewart -- I said have
you ever -- have you ever been stopped from installing an emergency access or
maintenance roadway over your sewer and water outside the city limits in the county,
have you ever gotten a permit from Ada county. He said, no, never. It's our sewer. It's
our sewer easement. We have the right to make any improvements in there that we see
fit for proper maintenance. So, it's not like we intentionally violated the rules. We thought
we had all the necessary approvals.
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: When this was brought to your attention what was the communication to the
Planning Department? I appreciate your communication with Warren, but this all should
have -- if this all went through the Meridian Planning Department --
McKay: Yes, sir.
Cavener: -- I mean you have been doing this longer than -- than I have. If I get a call
from the county saying, hey, you are building on our land, I would be going to the city
saying why did you give me approval and -- it's not about blaming anybody, but if a
mistake occurred I think that's the piece that I have struggled to wrap my head around
with is how you all who do this all the time, are the experts, thought you were okay to go
do it and that's the piece that might help me is how the city responded when you brought
this to their attention.
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McKay: Yeah. Mayor Simison, Councilman Cavener, we went all through the city
approvals, I guess not knowing that we needed any other -- the city did not indicate that
we need to pursue any approvals at the county and since that was an existing sewer line
that had been there since 2012 and here we were in 2020 installing it as per the
requirements of Public Works for an all weather maintenance roadway, I mean I have
never encountered -- this is the first time I have ever had sewer that ran outside the city
limits and -- and we thought that we had all the necessary approvals from the city. No
one raised any red flag and said go to the county. But once we were stopped, then, we
went and I contacted your Public Works Department.
Cavener: What about our Planning Department?
McKay: Contacted Planning.
Cavener: And what was their response? That's -- that's the piece that I --
McKay: They were shocked. They said why would the county care that -- it's our -- it's
our sewer facilities. It's our emergency vehicle access. There is Suez water. And I said,
well, obviously, they are upset about it and they want us to go through this permitting
process and that's when Mr. Stewart indicated to me we have -- we have sewer outside
city limits all over Ada county and I have never ever been required to obtain a permit or
permission from the county.
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: Question for Sonya. Sonya, any insight you can give us on this? I mean what's
the scenario that plays out where the city approves construction of a road that's not land
that's been annexed into the city?
Allen: Mr. Mayor, Councilman Cavener, Council, I -- I really honestly don't know what
Planning's role was in this. Planning shouldn't be approving a Public Works access road.
There may have been discussions over my head with management that I'm not aware of.
But I personally was not involved in any approvals on this.
Cavener: Thanks.
Simison: Maybe, Mr. Nary, from your perspective and knowledge any -- any insight --
even moving forward in the future should we be obtaining permits from the county for
installation of our -- our works and what goes on top?
Nary: Mr. Mayor, Members of Council, I haven't -- I didn't speak to the county attorneys
about that particular issue and Mr. Dolsby is on the call, too. I mean he may have some
insight from Public Works. But I would agree with Becky, I have never heard of this before.
I mean, again, it may land in the county, but this is private property, this is an access road,
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it's not a public road, it's a limited use road and the property owner gave permission to
install it. So, I don't know if Mr. Hewett did this road himself he has to go get a permit. I
don't know what the county requires if you are going to pave a road on your property and
whether they require that. So, how they got involved with it -- I understand they -- they
chose to be involved with it, but I'm not certain what -- what the rationale is, because,
again, it's not a public road. I mean they even had ACHD look at it to make sure, but,
again, it's not a public road, it's a limited road, it's really, essentially, a driveway for
manholes. So, I have never seen it either.
McKay: Mr. Mayor, Councilman Cavener, Mr. Nary is correct. I -- I live on five --five acres
in Ada county and I can build a gravel road in my pasture or I --we have a paved driveway
that goes to our barn. No permitting is required under the Ada county code. None
whatsoever. Because it's a -- it's a -- it's an improvement on private property. I'm --
Cavener: I get that. I guess Mr. Mayor?
McKay: So, yeah, this -- this is a unique situation.
Cavener: It is.
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
McKay: Very -- very strange.
Cavener: I guess, Mr. Mayor, question, then, for Mr. Nary or for the planning staff is Ms.
McKay has provided testimony that the city approved -- the Planning Department
approved this -- this plan. So, I'm trying to, again, wrap my head around what plan the
city approved and how we approved a plan that allowed for construction to occur on land
that has not been annexed into the city. So, what was approved, who gave it, and what
was the justification? Let me -- and I think that may be a question for another day. I think
that is separate from this. But that, again, we all have -- it's not about casting blame on
anyone, but I somewhat feel like at least this element of the trust that we have heard from
-- from Rick and the homeowners association. If the city would have said, well, this isn't
our call to make, you need to go to the county, this would have resolved 97 percent of
what we have been talking about for the past four hours over the past two months. So,
that's -- that's a piece that I would like to get to the bottom of, whether that's tonight or in
the future, because I don't think it's fair to the residents, I don't think it's fair to the applicant
and the Council that we are playing referee with the county on this.
McKay: Yeah. Councilman Cavener, the -- the approved plans were part of my
PowerPoint. They are signed and approved by Meridian Public Works.
Nary: And, Mr. Mayor, I can answer part of what the staff is evaluating, because we do
get engage with that occasionally, is they are -- they are -- they are approving location,
not the owners -- not the owner -- you have to get ownership to access the property.
They are just approving that the roadway meets the standards for the fire truck. That it
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meets the standard for the vac truck, for Public Works, it meets those construction
standards is what they are approving. So, if, for example, they trespassed to do this --
we didn't approve them to trespass on the property. That's on them. That's their
responsibility. Again, we would have been unaware that the county decided that a permit
was required, because generally permitting is not required in the county to construct a
driveway and that's really all this is. But that's -- again, that's on the applicant. We are
not consenting to them building in the county, we are saying this is what's needed to
protect our-- our easement. Yes, you can build that. Again, you will get approval to build
it and I think all Ms. McKay is saying is they were not aware, because the county normally
doesn't require permits.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Becky, I have a question about prior to actually making the improvements
were any of the neighbors contacted and given -- given notice? I know it might not have
been officially required by any government entity, but I'm just wondering if there was a
courtesy given to them.
McKay: Mr. Mayor, Council Woman Perrault, to my knowledge I do not believe they were
contacted.
Perreault: Becky, can you speak up.
McKay: Oh. Sorry. To my knowledge I do not believe that they were contacted.
Johnson: Mr. Mayor. Becky, you won't be able to change the screen, because it's mine.
Not that one. That one is logged out. So, if you would let me know what you need to
bring up I can.
McKay: Go to the construction plans. Right there. Those are the approved construction
plans that you see here. And so we showed -- if you -- if you look you show the emergency
access road coming out the back of Crantini Place -- oh, I don't have control over it. No
wonder I -- so, you can see that -- that it was shown on the plan and, then, it was shown
in the cut sheet next to the plan going up and, then, connecting to -- to the paved drive
that goes between Spurwing --
Perreault: Becky, I can't hear you. I'm sorry.
McKay: Oh, I'm sorry. It -- you can show that there was two -- there were two sheets.
One -- one that showed it going up and connecting to -- to the paved access between
Balata Court and Spurwing Greens and, then, the other cut sheet showed it coming out
of Crantini Court. These plans were reviewed by Public Works. They were submitted
with our final plat. I mean I thought we had covered all our bases. I had had conversations
with Fire, Public Works, and Planning to discuss this -- this change in order to meet my
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condition of approval for secondary access and had I known -- I mean, like I said, I -- I
had no idea that such a firestorm would be started by this. All I want to do is solve the
problem and -- and move on. Fourteen years is a long time on one project. Thank you.
Simison: Just so we can maybe close this out just a little bit, Mr. Dolsby if you can unmute
yourself. To your knowledge do you -- does the city traditionally need permits from the
county when we install our infrastructure? How does that work? What does that
relationship look like?
Dolsby: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, I think Mr. Nary put it very well when he said
we don't need permits typically to put the sewer out in the county. Subdivisions routinely
construct offsite sewer improvements to serve their subdivisions and I'm not aware of any
permits you get from the county to do such. We require easements, as has been stated
several times during the hearing, to construct the sewer. We also need access, especially
to manholes. Prefer a gravel access road over the whole thing, but we have negotiated
access as is shown here. So, we can at least get to our manholes with the vac trucks.
But I have not-- I'm not aware of any permits that we have had to acquire from the county
to do any of these activities in the past.
Simison: Thank you.
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Mr. Borton.
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: It may be a question for Clint or Bill as we wrap this up. If, in fact, the --the sewer
easement and the maintenance road rights that come with a sewer easement are of
sufficient scope to also include a roadway that would serve as an emergency access and
the easement rights themselves confer both the ability to construct both, it sounds like
that's what the applicant believes is true and if that's the case why are we needing to
annex this property at all? Why wouldn't the applicant just merely proceed with what they
believe to be their existing easement rights and continue to construct what they believe
they have an existing right to do and utilize this -- this access road as an emergency
access. It feels as though -- even though it might not be the intent -- that there is -- there
is blame that's being placed upon the city as though this is somehow our fault that we
lead them down this path and it's probably not the intent, but it's sure what it feels like and
that's why I think we are all struggling with this. But if, in fact, the applicant thinks that
they can utilize this for emergency access and the county is, therefore, wrong to deny it
or interfere with it and go prevail in court and continue to build what you think you can
already build, then, you don't need to annex it. You only need to annex it if you need a
right that you don't already have. So, this got me sideways and now I'm confused with
what appears to be some cross-positions.
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Nary: So, Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, my recollection is is that emergency access
that came off of Chinden was a service road that existed at the time. It was actually the
link to Olive Tree to the city. It was the only connecting point to the City of Meridian at
that point in time was that road. So, that was the basis of the annexation. So, Ms. McKay
is correct, I mean they have that right to have an emergency access. I think, Mr. Borton,
your question is what the basis of the lawsuit that's pending is about, because, again, I'm
not certain what the county's interest is here and whether or not they actually have the
right they are claiming they have. Obviously, there is a difference of opinion that's ongoing
about that. Again, they don't normally require permitting. This is not a public roadway. It
is just essentially a driveway for emergency access and some utility access. I don't
disagree with you that they could prevail and that this is a -- this is a way to avoid that
issue if the city so chooses to do that. It does provide some city needs and that's kind of
the reason I think why the staff and Public Works were supportive of the application,
because, again, it erases the concern we have of access to both the utilities and
emergencies. It does -- there is no question any longer with that. If -- if say to play out
your scenario that it goes to a lawsuit, it prevails that the county does have the right to do
that and prohibit the access there and there is issues about how the access could be
used, maybe there is some ability to get there for utilities, maybe not the same level for
emergencies, we may have this issue again in the future. So, I think the intent here is to
simply get this resolved now, get these accesses cleaned up, cleared up, there is no
question where they -- what they are used for and I think the concessions are the reason
Public Works and Planning were supportive, because the limitations that are being placed
on it with the gates, so that it's clear no one else is going to use this. It won't be abused
as it was on the Balata Court issue with Spurwing West -- or Spurwing Greens and so I
think that's really the answer. So, you are not wrong. I mean if we deny this that lawsuit
will have to play itself out and they will have to figure out whether or not they have that
right. So, that really is a question for another day, but -- but you are not -- not incorrect in
that analysis, that there is another option, but I think the staff would like to not have this
sort of in limbo and that's the reason they were supportive of the request.
Borton: Okay. Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: To kind of close out that thought and -- and -- and maybe this -- this application
discussion. So, I go down that path, I didn't contemplate that our sewer easement and
the maintenance road rights that go along with it also would be of such a degree that it
could be utilized as an emergency access. I thought that that would be a larger, more
intense use in scope, that a mere maintenance road access wouldn't contemplate and
that is what necessitated this application, which that may be the case. Maybe it's not
now, but -- but that's what I believed to be true, which, then, makes sense why they need
to annex to get this additional right to construct something that couldn't otherwise
construct. So, if they go to the county -- if they have that fight with the county and they
win with an existing right to -- to build the access road with -- as part of this easement,
then, it gets built and if they lose, then, they come back to the city and do what we are
doing now, request to annex to gain the right they didn't have to build an access road.
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So, we are back here either way addressing a road getting built as an emergency access.
So, the choices today are this emergency access is going to be constructed or you are
going to require the remaining homes to be sprinkled.
Hoaglun: And Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Yes. And Joe framed it -- or Councilman Borton framed it very well, but -- and
I have issue with, okay, we require the remaining homes be sprinkled, that leaves nearly
30 homes without sprinklers and adequate emergency access, which we -- we require for
our community and -- and that's where the rub is for me on not providing that access. So,
it's --you know, one of those things that, you know, Chief-- Deputy Chief Bongiorno talked
about, you know, the sprinklers buy time and that sort of thing, but what about the ones
-- what if it's not that house with the sprinkler that catches fire. There is no time to be
bought. So, other -- other options have been brought forward. The access coming off
Ten Mile that no longer exists. Mr. Wagner refused. And that is certainly within his right
to do so. So, that is -- that is not a possibility. We have a utility and Suez has a utility that
we require certain standards to be met for how that's covered, how it can be accessed,
how a large truck can go over the top and it's -- to me there might be a little difference in
weight, but I bet you there -- a fire truck or an engine would be close to what the sewer
truck is, so making sure that is adequate to have that emergency access is a small leap
to say, hey, you bump up the standards with another half inch and we are fine running a
fire truck on it. So, it's -- I -- I do agree with Mr. Borton, too, that we may have been
presented a problem that isn't our problem and now we are called upon to solve it, but as
Councilman Borton points out, once again, that either way it's going to come back to the
Council for resolution. So, I'm in favor of taking action tonight and moving forward. We
can do analysis on -- on the issues and permits and our processes to determine how we
do this in the future to see if there is going to be issues or if we need to change some
things or have conversations with the county, but -- but I'm for making sure we can move
ahead, protect our assets and provide access and meet the standards that we require in
our community.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: If I'm remembering correctly, last -- on the 15th of December when we had this
discussion last, I believe that's -- I don't remember if it was someone from Planning or if
it was someone from Public Works, they said that ultimately they could -- because of the
easement they -- maybe it was Public Works. I think it was maybe Warren that said this.
Yeah. It was a Warren said that they -- they could have -- they don't need, you know, that
-- what is being requested from the applicant to, you know, hypothetically fix potential
problems with our assets and our utilities that are within that easement.
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
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Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: That's correct. Warren testified that they are able to serve our current sewer
needs as is. So, whether there was an action taken last week or tonight, they are in a
position that they can serve the sewer, because I think the vast majority of our
conversation last month really gravitated towards the emergency access piece, because
at least the bulk of us felt satisfied the sewer access question had been addressed for
what it's worth. You are correct, Council Member Bernt.
Simison: Yeah. We are ultimately discussing a secondary emergency access that we
hope will never have to be used ever. Ever. Because it would take something happening
pretty dire at that exact intersection all by a need other places.
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: I was -- I was there last time and I'm still there. I agree with -- with Councilman
Hoaglun. As we wrap this up I think all things considered this application is appropriate
to go forward providing the secondary access is required. I don't think we can act
otherwise in light of that public safety need. Hopefully it's never needed. Never used.
But I just don't -- I see that as a -- this is a more viable solution than the sprinkler solution
that is behind the curve. So, I agree with Councilman Hoaglun to proceed.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: I agree with my -- with my fellow Council Members and I would -- I would just
like to add to the applicant directly that it sounds like that -- that -- that they have made a
commitment to do all they can to make sure that that isn't being used for -- for a purpose
other than what it's intended. So, I would request that the -- it sounds like that there are
not -- that individuals are not permitted to use the course or any -- any area around the
course to be walking, riding bicycles and whatnot, but it doesn't sound like that's really
appropriately being enforced. So, I would -- I would just like to encourage the applicant
to do all they can to -- you know, signs are great and gates are great, but they are not --
they are not gating the entire length of this -- of this easement, it's just at the -- at both
entrances and so it's really not cutting back on pedestrian traffic truly. So, I just would
really like to encourage the owner and lessee of that property of the course to -- to do all
they can to prohibit trespassing in that location.
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: Question maybe for Council Member Perreault. Do you have any other
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recommendations, aside from gates and signage, that you would like to see included?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Okay. Councilman Cavener, I'm under the assumption that the course has
some sort of policy or process, both maybe, that they take to prevent, quote, unquote,
trespassing or individuals on the course that are not golfing, because that's -- that's
something that was mentioned that already exists. So, I would just expect them to -- to
continue to enforce it.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: I think Councilman Hoaglun has summed it up well. I think that the danger to
the future homeowners and the ones that wouldn't be sprinkled outweighs the concerns
that the neighbors may have adjacent to this road, which I believe will not be horrible. It
will be smaller than depicted in the horrible picture of the giant dirt road, but I like the idea
of specifying that DA provision that it's for emergency access only, if nothing else than to
give the neighbors at Balata Court comfort that, you know, the city is going to step up on
their behalf if any of this doesn't happen and that we are going to ensure that it's only for
emergencies and for accessing our utilities and maintenance and Suez.
Hoaglun: So, Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: I would move that we close the public hearing on H-2020-0087.
Cavener: Second.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing. Is there any
discussion on the motion? If not, all in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay. The
ayes have it.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: After considering all staff, applicant, and public testimony, I move that we
approve file H-2020-0087 as presented in the staff report for the hearing date of January
26th, 2021, and to make sure conditions are in the DA that point to -- that two gates be
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installed, one at each end of the emergency access, that there would be signage
prohibiting access of appropriate language and that language also be included that shows
this as emergency access only and for maintenance by public water and -- Public Works
and water services at this site.
Cavener: Second.
Simison: I have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion on the motion? If not,
Clerk will call the roll.
Roll call: Bernt, yea; Borton, yea; Cavener, yea; Hoaglun, yea; Strader, yea; Perreault,
yea.
Simison: All ayes. Motion carries and the item is agreed to.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
ORDINANCES [Action Item]
5. Ordinance No. 21-1913: An Ordinance (H-2020-0092 Goddard Creek
Community) for Rezone of a Parcel of Land being Lot 2, Block 1 of
Goddard Creek Subdivision as Filed in Book 114 of Plats at Pages
17060 through 17062 and a Portion of the SE '/4 of the SW '/4 of
Section 26, Township 4 North, Range 1 West, Boise Meridian, Ada
County, Idaho; Establishing and Determining the Land Use Zoning
Classification of 5.03 Acres of Land from R-4 (Medium Low
Residential) Zoning District to R-15 (Medium High Residential)
Zoning District in the Meridian City Code; Providing that Copies of
this Ordinance Shall be Filed with the Ada County Assessor, the Ada
County Recorder, and the Idaho State Tax Commission, as Required
By Law; and Providing for a Summary of the Ordinance; and
Providing for a Waiver of the Reading Rules; and Providing an
Effective Date
Simison: Thank you very much for all -- everyone's work on this and, Mr. Nary, if you can
put this on your to do to follow up with the county appropriately on any steps that we may
need to address in the future if we are not taking the right ones. With that we will move
on to Item 5, Ordinances, and ask the clerk to read Ordinance No. 20-1913 by title.
Johnson: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. This is an ordinance related to H-2020-0092, Goddard
Creek Community, for rezone of a parcel of land being Lot 2, Block 1 of Goddard Creek
Subdivision as filed in Book 114 of Plats at pages 17060 through 17062 and a portion of
the SE 1/4 of the SW '/4 of Section 26, Township 4 North, Range 1 West, Boise Meridian,
Ada County, Idaho; establishing and determining the land use zoning classification of 5.03
acres of land from R-4 (Medium Low Residential) Zoning District to R-15 (Medium High
Residential) Zoning District in the Meridian City Code; providing that copies of this
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ordinance shall be filed with the Ada County Assessor, the Ada County Recorder, and the
Idaho State Tax Commission, as required by law; and providing for a summary of the
ordinance; and providing for a waiver of the reading rules; and providing an effective date.
Simison: You have heard this ordinance read by title. Is there anybody that would like it
read it in its entirety? If not, do I have a motion?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: I move that we approve Ordinance no. 21-1913 with the suspension of rules.
Cavener: Second the motion.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to approve the item under suspension of the
rules. Is there any discussion on the motion? If not, all those in favor signify by saying
aye. Opposed nay. The ayes have it and the ordinance is agree to.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
6. Ordinance No. 21-1914: An Ordinance (H-2020-0097 — 2810 E.
Franklin) for Annexation of a Parcel of Land Situated in a Portion of
the Southeast '/4 of Section 8, Township 3 North, Range 1 East, Boise
Meridian, Ada County, Idaho, as Described in Attachment "A" and
Annexing Certain Lands and Territory, Situated in Ada County, Idaho,
and Adjacent and Contiguous to the Corporate Limits of the City of
Meridian as Requested by the City of Meridian; Establishing and
Determining the Land Use Zoning Classification of 1.006 acres of
Land from RUT to C-G (General Retail and Service Commercial)
Zoning District in the Meridian City Code; Providing that Copies of
this Ordinance Shall be Filed with the Ada County Assessor, the Ada
County Recorder, and the Idaho State Tax Commission, as Required
by Law; and Providing for a Summary of the Ordinance; and
Providing for a Waiver of the Reading Rules; and Providing an
Effective Date
Simison: Next item is Item 6, Ordinance No. 20-1914. Asked the Clerk to read this
ordinance by title.
Johnson: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. It's an ordinance related H-2020-0097, 2810 East
Franklin, for annexation of a parcel of land -- parcel of land situated in a portion of the
Southeast '/4 of Section 8, Township 3 North, Range 1 East, Boise Meridian, Ada County,
Idaho, as described in Attachment "A" and annexing certain lands and territory, situated
in Ada county, Idaho, and adjacent and contiguous to the corporate limits of the City of
Meridian as requested by the City of Meridian; establishing and determining the land use
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zoning classification of 1 .006 acres of land from RUT to C-G (General Retail and Service
Commercial) Zoning District in the Meridian City Code; providing that copies of this
ordinance shall be filed with the Ada County Assessor, the Ada County Recorder, and the
Idaho State Tax Commission, as required by law; and providing for a summary of the
ordinance; and providing for a waiver of the reading rules; and providing an effective date.
Simison: Council, you have heard this item read by title. Is there anyone that would like
to read it in its entirety? Hearing none, do I have a motion?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: I move that we approve Ordinance No. 21-1914 with the suspension of rules.
Cavener: Second the motion.
Simison: I have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion on the motion? If not,
all those in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay. The ayes have it and the item is
agreed to.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
FUTURE MEETING TOPICS
Simison: Do we have anything under future meeting topics?
EXECUTIVE SESSION
7. Per Idaho Code 74-206A(1)(a) To deliberate on a labor contract offer
or to formulate a counteroffer.
Simison: If not we are at Item 7.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: I should -- we should have removed this from the -- the agenda earlier. I believe
that we don't -- we have taken care of this business in our -- this -- we don't need to go
into Executive Session. So, I move that we strike Item No. 7 from the agenda.
Cavener: Second.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to strike Item 7 from the agenda. Is there any
discussion? If not, all in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay. The ayes have it.
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MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: I move that we adjourn the meeting this evening.
Cavener: Second.
Simison: Motion and second to adjourn. All in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed
nay? And we are adjourned.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 8:41 P.M.
(AUDIO RECORDING ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS)
2 / 9 2021
MAYOR ROBERT E. SIMISON DATE APPROVED
ATTEST:
CHRIS JOHNSON - CITY CLERK
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