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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMarch 19, 1996 C/C Minutes .- 8 8 Meridian City Council March 19, 1996 Page 62 Because the height in residential is 6 feet. Butler: It would be in the CN zone on the Smith's site itself. Corrie: Any further comments from the Council? I will close the public hearing at this point. Counselor, comments as far as new material? Crookston: I think we had some new material plus we have some new evidence. We need to have new findings of fact and conclusions of law. Morrow: So moved Rountree: Second Corrie: Motion made and seconded by Mr. Morrow and Mr. Rountree that we prepare new findings of fact and conclusions of law, any further discussion? All those in favor say aye? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea Corrie: I want to thank everybody that did testify tonight. Crookston: I think that, I would just make a statement, at this juncture Smith's should be congratulated on working with the neighbors. ITEM #17: REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A GROUP DAY CARE BY KATHLEEN LAWRENCE: Lawrence: I have read the facts and findings that I received yesterday and I just wanted to request an exception to the restriction of the hours that were placed in the facts and findings. I have a letter here from one of my mothers. I am working full time presently and I have a very probability of three children to start my child care out with. Unfortunately those three parents work swing shifts and with the restrictions of hours that were in the facts and findings I would have to start the child care facility out with zero children. May families today are looking for after hours care, it is very hard to find it in a child care center or a home care center. I preferably like to work 9 to 5. In enclosed a daily schedule to show that I do plan to be very considerate of my neighbors as far as after they come home from work I don't want the child care center to be obnoxious or not to be harmonious with the neighborhood. Corrie: Anything further? 8 -- Meridian City Council March 19, 1996 Page 63 Lawrence: Well I don't really know where it goes from here. There are a couple other things. If it is a concern to you I am willing to set up an ongoing neighborhood feedback program I could have them directly mail their comments or complaints to you as far as extending the hours. Thank you. Corrie: Council any questions? Okay, we are going to have to, Counselor see if we are right on this, we are going to have to either approve of amend the findings of fact and conclusions of law first and then the conditional use permit second is that correct? Crookston: That is correct. Rountree: I have a question for counsel also, the findings indicate that there was testimony that the hours would be 7 a.m. to 6 p.m. I assume that is why (inaudible) Crookston: That is correct. Rountree: (inaudible) Crookston: I think that is what Rountree: Page 3, item 7, applicant stated the hours of operation she would like to have be from 7 a.m. to 6 p.m. and then that is reflected. Crookston: That would be what I had down in my notes as to what the hours were stated, the requested hours. Corrie: Would you like that clarification? Rountree: No I think we now have a request that you would like to extend that. Lawrence: I did ask, well Johnson answered my question, I said I have one more question as far as hours go, I want to be flexible because I knew of these parents that I had talked to letting them know I was trying to open the day care. And he said we would just do that in consideration of your neighbors. So I wanted to be considerate of my neighbors, I didn't realize the permit would only be operational during those hours. I would have tried to make it more, I would have stressed it more. Crookston: It is a Council decision. Corrie: The Council can amend that. To what hours are you looking did you say you were looking at? 8 8 Meridian City Council March 19, 1996 Page 64 Lawrence: (Inaudible) Corrie: No restrictions at all. Lawrence: (inaudible) Corrie: That would be the Council's, are you anticipating 24 hours possibly? Lawrence: Well a lot of the parents, I don't know what hours they will need. But I do have many friends from HP that work with my husband there and I already have two people in my neighborhood that work at Micron. I have a nurse from St. AI's she works from 7 p.m. to 7 a.m. Her drop off would probably be 6 and pick up would probably be 8. So the traffic would still be in those hours, but I would have the child in my h<;>me throughout the night. Crookston: Just a question, for those children that you care for in that fashion, would they generally then be sleeping in the evening? Lawrence: If they are there through the night they will be sleeping. Crookston: You might want to sleep that is probably why you say that. Lawrence: I do have a list that I would like to give you of parents that are interested in the day care and their hours. I would prefer maybe in 6 months to limit my hours to the ones I specified. Morrow: In the findings of fact it calls for 12 children throughout the day Lawrence: Total Morrow: (Inaudible) in terms of these extended hours how many children do you visualize that to be? Lawrence: Well as far as I can tell I would say I would probably have five, I would like to have five in my preschool, the three children that I do know the parents work extended hours would probably be there until 1 0 p.m. Crookston: So you are talking 8 children. Rountree: Counselor would you refresh my memory on the number of children that is 12 per day correct or could you have 12 for one shift and 12 for the next shift. 8 8 Meridian City Council March 19, 1996 Page 65 Crookston: Meridian does not allow that Meridian allows a total of 12 children in a 24 hour period. Rountree: Would you explain to me a little bit of what you propose in terms of a monitoring program or neighborhood coordination effort? Lawrence: I thought that I could send out quarterly comment forms to everyone in 300 square feet of my house with a returned stamped envelope wherever Council desires. Rountree: And you would provide that information to the City? Lawrence: I would have them direct it back to you. Rountree: On a quarterly basis? Lawrence: Yes, I could do that every quarter along with the taxes. Corrie: Any further comments Council? Morrow: I have a question for the Counselor, historically in terms of these types of applications what have the hours of operation been set at? Crookston: Generally they have been set, limited to approximately 6 a.m. until I believe the longest one I can think of was until 7:30 p.m. I think what the concern is what kind of distraction is there going to be in the neighborhood caused by the day care. Morrow: Meaning the comings and goings and so on and so forth. Bentley: Mr. Mayor my question with regards to that is would it be proper to notify these people of the possible change in pending hours and see if they have any input on this? Crookston: The people have been notified of the hearing. I don't recall that notice of hearing stated any hours. Bentley: But under the normal assumption of the day care one would think it would run from 6 to 7 or something of that nature. Crookston: That would probably be very likely that be assumed because that is the hours of most day cares. (Inaudible) 8 8 Meridian City Council March 19, 1996 Page 66 Crookston: If the Council decided to allow the hours for the, let's put it this way allow the non hours I think the Council would have to or pay attention to specifically what is going on with the hours and if there are any problems which the Council does not normally do unless there are people coming to the City and objecting than it gets to be a matter of coming back to the Council. Tolsma: (Inaudible) Crookston: Yes but Ron you take out your hearing aids and you can't tell. (Inaudible) Lawrence: One thing I would like to address is my curriculum I would try to be very conscious of my neighbors and keep the children quiet. We would not have outside time after 6 p.m. and also another issue I would like to bring up is me myself having to work at 10 o'clock at night. I was never able to find licensed child care for my children after that time. I left them with neighbors most of the time and I don't think that, I think that parents should be able to have an alternative to that. Rountree: Would restrictions to pick up and delivery be an issue? Lawrence: I don't think that would be an issue for me, the parents might not like it because then they are going to say I want to be able to come check on my child any time that I feel like. The traffic that I can see is going to be a problem late at night and I can replace restrictions on the parents as far as you are quiet, you come get your children in the back. Corrie: I think there is probably some (inaudible) Rountree: Well we certainly have a changing workforce, I don't' think this is the last time we are going to hear this. Lawrence: Well most 0 the day cares out there are not restricted to any hours, most of them choose those hours. But because I had to go through a conditional use permit, most of the day cares do not have to go through this process. So they are never forced with the issue they get to choose their hours. Rountree: Actually they are all supposed to go through this process. Lawrence: No they don't' have to, none of the day cares have to go through a conditional use permit if they are in a home like mine. 8 8 Meridian City Council March 19, 1996 Page 67 Rountree: Accessory don't but if it is this size then they would have to. Morrow: Point of discussion, it seems to me that we could make some of these things kind of conditions of approval and we have a P & Z ordinance officer (inaudible) back to certain time frames. (Inaudible) Corrie: We can review it in six months or whatever you want. Morrow: (Inaudible) we have the right of option in a conditional use permit to review on.an annual basis. (Inaudible) Corrie: I agree with Charlie I think this is going to be one thing we are going to be addressing again. - Rountree: I like the idea of getting some information about it, I appreciate your offer to do that I think it will be very valuable in the future to do that. Morrow: I know that we have findings of fact before us as prepared by P & Z it seems to me that there are several issues here that we talked about and I would like to from my perspective have some time to put them in a format as to how we (inaudible) suggestion to do quarterly feed backs and how we set up conditions as to what we are approving here and then the format should there be some violation (inaudible). I think the concept of in home care for young people at night (inaudible) Lawrence: There are no centers that offer over night child care. Morrow: With a lot of shift work and single parents (inaudible) and we have to take a look at this and explore the area and (inaudible) things that don't work we throw out and go on. I guess what I am saying is I am not sure the findings of fact I know that we can amend them but I don't know exactly what format tonight to put those amendments into is what I am suggesting to you. Corrie: We can certainly order new findings of fact and conclusions for the next meeting if you think that is enough time. Morrow: I think that is more than enough time Mr. Mayor I think the issue here is that we need to kind of just work our way through it and then (inaudible) I am prepared to move that we order new findings of fact and conclusions. ,. . 8 8 Meridian City Council March 19, 1996 Page 68 Bentley: Second Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Bentley that new findings of fact and conclusions of law be prepared for the meeting on April 2, any further discussion? All those in favor say aye? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea Corrie: We will have the new findings for you on the April 2. Lawrence: Do you want me to get you more information or send it to your office, I have had absolutely no contact or, I could have had these to you guys before. Morrow: I think anything you submit helps. (Inaudible) Tolsma: (Inaudible) does the State have any guidelines (inaudible) Lawrence: They do and they are a lot stricter for having children sleep over they are very strict as far as bedding, as far as the fire alarms, the fire extinguishers, as far as the children sanitary conditions. Tolsma: (Inaudible) Lawrence: Central District Health yes, and Central District Health can also come out at any time day or night and come into your day care and police you. Tolsma: (Inaudible) Corrie: If you would bring that information so we can incorporate that into the findings. ITEM #18: REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A CHEVRON C-STORE, FUEL ISLANDS, CAR WASH, AND DRIVE THRU WINDOW BY AVEST: Durkin: I wanted to clarify two statements that I made that are included in the findings of fact of the public hearing and I wanted to point out a matter and an item in the findings of fact that conflicts with my understanding of the ordinance and what our application has included. First of all when I talked about this convenience store, this to refresh your memory is going on the east end of the Fred Meyer project at Fairview and Locust Grove this will be along Fairview. I said that it was going to be a typical convenience store of