HomeMy WebLinkAbout2020-07-21 Regular MeetingMeridian City Council July 21, 2020.
A Meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order at 6:03 p.m., Tuesday, July
21, 2020, by Mayor Robert Simison.
Members Present: Robert Simison, Luke Cavener, Treg Bernt, Jessica Perreault, Brad
Hoaglun and Liz Strader.
Members Absent: Joe Borton.
Also present: Chris Johnson, Adrienne Weatherly, Bill Nary, Bill Parsons, Alan
Tiefenbach, Kyle Radek, Jenny Field, Jenna Fletcher, Mark Ford, Joe Bongiorno and
Dean Willis.
Item 1: Roll-call Attendance:
__X__ Liz Strader _____ Joe Borton
__X__ Brad Hoaglun __X__ Treg Bernt
__X__ Jessica Perreault __X__ Luke Cavener
__X__ Mayor Robert E. Simison
Simison: Council, I will call this meeting to order. For the record it is July 21st, 6:03 p.m.
We will begin the meeting with roll call attendance.
Item 2: Pledge of Allegiance
Simison: Item No. 2 is the Pledge of Allegiance.
(Pledge of Allegiance recited.)
Item 3: Community Invocation with Tim Pusey of Valley Shepherd Church
of the Nazarene
Simison: Item No. 3 is our community invocation, which will be led today by Tim Pusey
with Valley Shepherd Church. If you would join us in the invocation or take this as a
moment of reflection at this time. Pastor Pusey.
Pusey: Thank you. Heavenly Father, we want to thank you tonight for your blessings in
our lives and your blessing in -- in and over this community. Thank you for those who
serve our community. For Mayor Simison and our Council, for the many many servants
of our community, like our police and firefighters and many who serve behind the scenes.
I pray tonight, Lord, you would give wisdom and guidance to our City Council. We -- we
acknowledge that these are incredibly challenging days and we humbly seek your
guidance and, Lord, we pray for healing in our community and -- and in our land and,
Lord, speak peace into each of our lives and into this community we pray in Christ's name,
amen.
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Item 4: Adoption of Agenda
Simison: Thank you. Council, Item 4 is adoption of the agenda.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: I move that we adopt the agenda as published.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Second the motion.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to adopt the agenda as published. Is there any
discussion on the motion? If not, all those in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay.
The ayes have it and the agenda is adopted.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Item 5: Consent Agenda [Action Item]
A. Approve Minutes of July 7, 2020 City Council Work Session
B. Approve Minutes of July 7, 2020 City Council Regular Meeting
C. Approve Minutes of July 14, 2020 City Council Work Session
D. Approve Minutes of July 14, 2020 City Council Regular Meeting
E. Fairbourne Subdivision No. 1 Sanitary Sewer Easement No. 2
F. Fairbourne Subdivision No. 2 Sanitary Sewer Easement No. 2
G. James Court Sidewalk Widening Pedestrian Pathway Easement
H. Ten Mile Crossing Subdivision No. 4 Emergency Access
Easement
I. Warrick Subdivision No. 3 Pedestrian Pathway Easement
J. Whitestone Pedestrian Pathway Easement from Proposed
Twelve Oaks Pedestrian Bridge
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K. Final Plat for Sky Mesa No. 4 (H-2020-0063) by Sky Mesa East,
LLC, Located at the Northwest Corner and the Southwest
Corner of S. Eagle Rd. and E. Taconic Dr.
L. Final Plat for Whitecliffe Estates No. 2 (H-2020-0070) by 943
W. McMillan Rd., Located at 943 W. McMillan Rd.
M. Final Order for Aegean Subdivision No. 1 (H-2020-0052) by
Challenger Development, Inc., Located on the East Side of N.
McDermott Rd., ¼ Mile South of W. McMillan Rd. (South of
Five Mile Creek)
N. Final Order for Graycliff Estates No. 1 (H-2020-0069) by Allen
Lee Centers, Located at 701 W. Harris St.
O. Final Order for Pine 43 No. 2 (H-2020-0059) by Dan Torfin, C&O
Development, Inc., Located on the East Side of N. Locust Grove
Rd., ¼ Mile South of E. Fairview Ave.
P. Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law for Cedarbrook
Subdivision (H-2020-0012) by Toll Southwest, LLC, Located at
4185 S. Linder Rd.
Q. Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law for Gem Innovation
School (H-2020-0043) by Paul Bierlein, Bouma USA, Located at
5390 N. McDermott Rd.
R. AP Invoices for Payment - 07/10/20 - $700.00
S. AP Invoices for Payment - 07/22/20 - $1,790,623.43
Simison: Item 5 is the Consent Agenda.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: I move that we approve the Consent Agenda, for the Mayor to sign and for the
Clerk to attest.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Second the motion.
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Simison: I have a motion and a second to approve the Consent Agenda, for the Mayor
to sign and Clerk to attest. Is there any discussion on the motion? If not, all those in favor
signify by saying aye. Opposed nay. The ayes have it. The Consent Agenda is agreed
to.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Item 6: Items Moved from Consent Agenda [Action Item]
Simison: There were no items moved from the Consent Agenda.
Item 7: Future Meeting Topics – Public Forum
Simison: So, we will move on to Item 7, future meeting topics, public forum. Mr. Clerk,
do we have anyone signed up?
Johnson: Mr. Mayor, we had nobody sign up.
Item 8: Action Items
A. Finance Department: Adoption of the Fiscal Year 2020 Amended
Budget in the amount of $121,622,504
Simison: Okay. Then we will move right on into Item 8-A, our action items, and I will turn
this Finance Department report regarding adoption of the fiscal year 2020 amended
budget in the amount of 121,622,504 dollars over to -- do we have them on -- on Zoom
or are they in person?
Johnson: Mr. Mayor, Jenny Field is on Zoom.
Simison: Okay. I will turn this over to Jenny.
Field: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, I am here to facilitate the adoption of our --
approving of our fiscal year 2020 amended budget in the amount of 121 ,622,504. This is
just a direction for staff to publish the amount for our public hearing on August -- August
18th. So, with that I just need your guys' approval on this amount to notify the public .
Simison: Council, any questions for staff on this item?
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: I don't see anybody raising their hand or wanting to pipe in, so I move that we
approve Item 8-A, the adoption to the fiscal year 2020 budget in the amount of
121,622,504 dollars.
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Strader: Second the motion.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to approve the 2020 amended budget. Is there
any discussion on the motion?
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor, just to clarify. That was for 121,622,504 dollars; is that correct,
Councilman Cavener?
Field: Correct.
Hoaglun: Thank you. We just had a hard time hearing. Okay.
Cavener: Got it. I will be louder. Thank you, Councilman Hoaglun.
Simison: Any discussion? If not, Mr. Nary, do we need a roll call on this one?
Nary: No.
Simison: Okay. If not, all those in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay. The ayes
have it.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
B. Finance Department: Approval of the Fiscal Year 2021 Tentative
Budget in the amount of $129,364,101
Simison: Item 8-B is a -- is also from our Finance Department, approved the fiscal year
2021 tentative budget amount of 129,364,101 dollars and I will turn this over to Ms. Field
again.
Field: Okay. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council. This is for the tentative
2021 budget. The original amount of 129,364,101. I just need your guys' approval for
public noticing.
Simison: Thank you. Council, any questions? This will be the number that will be
published for the public hearing in August. And if not, do I have a motion?
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
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Cavener: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move we approve Item 8-D, approval of the fiscal year
2021 tentative budget in the amount of 129,364,101 dollars, for that amount to be
published in our public paper.
Hoaglun: Second the motion.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to approve Item 8-B. Is there any discussion on
the motion? If not, all those in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay. The ayes have
it.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
C. Finance Department: Approval to Reserve Foregone Revenue
Associated to Fiscal Year 2021 Budget in the amount of
1,091,204
Simison: Item 8-C is also our Finance Department, approval to reserve foregone revenue
associated to the fiscal year 2021 budget in the amount of 1 ,091,204 dollars and I will
turn this over to Ms. Field again.
Field: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Here again to -- this is new to our budget development this
year. Because we elected to take the zero percent allowable tax increase we need to
formalize a -- our foregone. We are asking Council to approve the reservation of our
revenues associated with our fiscal year 2020 budget in the amount of 1 ,094,204. And
this, again, will come in front of you as a resolution drafted by Legal after our -- closing of
our public hearing.
Simison: Council, any questions? If not, do I have a motion to approve Item 8-C?
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: I move that we approve Item 8-C regard to reserve foregone revenue associated
with fiscal year 2021 budget in the amount of 1,091,204 dollars.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Second the motion.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to approve Item 8-C and instruct this to be brought
back in the form of a resolution. Is there any discussion on the motion? If not, all those
in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay.
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Cavener: Nay.
Simison: The ayes have it. We will bring that back through the budget process.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. ONE NAY. ONE ABSENT.
D. Public Hearing for Proposed Fall 2020 Fee Schedule of the
Meridian Parks and Recreation Department
Simison: Thank you, Jenny. Appreciate your time. We will move on to Item 8-D, public
hearing, proposed fall 2020 fee schedule of the Meridian Parks and Recreation
Department and I will turn this over to Jenna.
Fletcher: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Members of Council. Yes, we are just going
to -- for the 2020 fall fee schedule for our Meridian Parks and Recreation Activity Guide
and as you can see the fees in Exhibit A. Thank you.
Simison: Council, do you have any questions regarding Exhibit A regarding the 2021 fee
schedule? If not, is there a motion?
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor, this is a public hearing. Do we have anybody --
Simison: Oh, thank you very much. I appreciate it. This is a public hearing. Is there
anybody from the public, either in the audience or online, who would like to provide
testimony on this item? If you are on Zoom just hit the bottom raise your hand button.
Seeing nobody who is providing -- wishing to provide testimony on this item, do I have a
motion to close the public hearing?
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: I move that we close the public hearing for the propo sed fall 2020 Fee Schedule
for Meridian Parks and Recreation Department.
Perreault: Second.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to close public hearing. Is there any discussion
on the motion? If not, all those in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay. The ayes
have it.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
E. Resolution No. 20-2217: A Resolution Adopting the Fall 2020
Fee Schedule of the Meridian Parks and Recreation Department;
Authorizing the Meridian Parks and Recreation Department to
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Collect Such Fees; and Providing an Effective Date
Simison: I will move on to Item 8-E, a Resolution No. 20-2217 adopting the Fall 2021 Fee
Schedule of the Meridian Parks and Recreation Department. Mr. Nary, does this need to
be read by the clerk?
Nary: Just the title.
Simison: Okay. I ask the Clerk to read it by title, please.
Johnson: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. It's Resolution No. 20-2217, a Resolution adopting the
Fall 2020 Fee Schedule of the Meridian Parks and Recreation Department, authorizing
the Meridian Parks and Recreation Department to collect such fees and providing an
effective date.
Simison: Thank you. You have heard this read by title. Is there anyone who would like
it read in its entirety?
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Hearing none, do I have a motion?
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Mr. Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: I move approval for Resolution No. 20-2217, adopting the Fall 2020 fee
Schedule for the Meridian Parks and Recreation Department.
Cavener: Second the motion, Mr. Mayor.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to adopt Item 8-E. Is there any discussion on the
resolution or the motion? If not, ask the Clerk to call the roll.
Roll call: Bernt, yea; Borton, absent; Cavener, yea; Hoaglun, yea; Strader, yea; Perreault,
yea.
Simison: All ayes. And the resolution is agreed to.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
F. Public Hearing for Community Development Block Grant
(CDBG) Program Year 2020 Action Plan
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Simison: Item 8-F is a public hearing for the Community Development Block Grant CDBG
program year 2020 action plan. I will open this public hearing with staff comments and
turn this over to Crystal.
Campbell: Sorry, I just got kicked off for a second. Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council.
So, I'm here today for the final presentation for the CDBG action plan for the upcoming
year that is beginning October of this year and will end September 2021. Is my
presentation available by any chance?
Johnson: Mr. Mayor, Ms. Campbell, I will get that up for you. You are able to share your
screen if you have it there. Otherwise, I can bring it up.
Campbell: I -- I should be able to do it on my screen . Give me just one second, please.
All right. So, as I said, this is the final presentation for our action plan. The purpose of
the action plan is to identify strategies that will meet the goals of the Consolidated Plan in
the upcoming year. So, we do this in a way so that it can help the public to hold us
accountable for what we say we are going to do with this and also for transparency. We
work with the community to make sure that the goals stay relevant in each Consolidated
Plan and -- planning year. So, we try to make sure that we are involved with stakeholders
throughout the year, that there is a public comment period of at least 30 days. We have
at least two public presentations and we also finish up with a public hearing. For the PY-
20 action plan all of our projects fall under these categories. We will be funding some
projects for admin for housing. Under public services we will be working with Jesse Tree
on their emergency rental assistance program, as well as the Boys and Girls Clubs for
scholarships for you. Under the housing category we will work with Ada County Housing
Authority on their homeownership assistance program , as well as NeighborWorks Boise
for their owner -- owner occupied home repair and for accessibility. Then we will be
providing funding for the second and final year of the Fairview Avenue sidewalk
connection, as well as the West Chief Joseph streetlights. We also have a couple of
backup projects related to streetlight modernization. We received three different public
comments. You can see the full public comment in the document, but a couple of them
-- CDBG is an excellent resource for nonprofits working to prevent eviction and
homelessness in the community at a time when our city is growing so quickly and home
prices and cost of living are rising so much it's more important than ever that we continue
to provide support for folks in the community who may not be able to keep up financially.
And another excerpt from one of them was regarding the rehab -- the homeowner rehab
and just talking to how there is a lot of people who need these repairs. They can't make
them. We made several of the -- to the originally presented plan. There were nine
separate ones to be exact. On page two we updated the summary of public comments.
Page 16 we included unity through inclusion and Central District Health to the list of
groups that we consulted with. On page 23 we updated the summary of the comments
received. We also included an estimate of 2,000 households benefiting from accessibility
projects. We included the homeowner rehab program to the description of Meridian's
efforts to foster and maintain affordable housing. We included coordination efforts with
the Central District Health to the description of Action 3-B, the paint hazards, and, then,
we updated the chart for the public comments that were received and included copies of
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public notices and the signs grant application documents. So, moving forward this is what
we have got. Tonight we have our public hearing and closing the public comment period.
Once that's done, after that next week, then, I will submit the final report and the resolution
for you guys to adopt and I will make sure that that is submitted to HUD by the end of the
month and with that I will stand for questions.
Simison: Thank you, Crystal. Council, any questions for staff? Okay. This is a public
hearing. Is there anybody in the audience or online who would like to provide testimony
on this item at this time? If you are online just use the raise your hand function at the
bottom of the screen. Seeing nobody wishing to testify at this time, Council, any further
action or information needed before you close the public hearing? If not I will accept a
motion.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: I move that we closed the public hearing for Community Development Block
Grant program year 2020 action plan.
Bernt: Second.
Perreault: Second.
Simison: Okay. I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing on Item 8-F. Is
there any discussion on the motion? If not, all those in favor signify by saying aye. Those
opposed nay. The ayes have it.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Simison: With that we will see that back in front of us next week. So, thank you, Crystal.
Appreciate your efforts on this.
Campbell: Thank you.
G. Public Hearing for Brody Square (H-2020-0032) by Pinnacle
Land Development, LLC, Located on the Northeast and
Southeast Corners of N. Black Cat Rd. and W. Daphne St.
1. Request: Annexation of 15 acres of land with an R-8 zoning
district; and,
2. Request: A Preliminary Plat consisting of 65 buildable lots, 7
common lots and 2 other lots on 13.9 acres of land in the R -
8 zoning district.
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3. Request: A Vacation of 0.31 of an acre of existing right-of-way
for W. Daphne St.
Simison: So, Council, we will move on to Item 8-G, a public hearing for Brody Square, H-
2020-0032, and I will open the public hearing with staff comments and turn this over to
Alan.
Tiefenbach: Council, Alan Tiefenbach, associate planner with the City of Meridian. Good
evening, Council, Mr. Mayor. This is a proposal -- and we have 15 acres of land. This is
a proposal annex and zone 15 acres of land with an R-8 zone district, a preliminary plat
for 65 lots and this also includes vacating about 275 feet of Daphne Street. So, here is
the future and use of this property, which shows it is recommended for low density
residential. It's presently zoned RUT in the -- in the unincorporated Ada county. It looks
like -- okay. I noticed that the pane from the Zoom are on the -- the aerial, but you can
see the aerial on there as well. Four accesses are proposed to this property. The first
one, the east access is from Black Cat Road, which is a minor arterial. The west side of
Black Cat Road has already been developed with a buffer and a sidewalk. The east side
-- oh, thank you. I have got a little tool blocking my presentation. Thank you. The east
side of North Black Cat Road is presently not been developed yet with curb or sidewalk.
This is Daphne Street presently right here. It's connected through the middle of this
property. The eastern access would be Daphne Street out to McMillan. There is also a
stub to the south, so the property to the south has not been developed yet , and there is
also another stub to the east. The properties up here and to the east -- there is a
subdivision to the north that is building out, but the properties directly to the east have not
been developed yet. This is Daphne Street. Daphne Street runs directly through the
property. This proposal would -- part of it would be to vacate Daphne Street and to push
Daphne Street down to the south and the reason why they want to do that is they would
be creating this central open space feature here. Originally at the time of the Planning
Commission meeting this pond was configured a little bit differently. This -- the purpose
of this pond is -- is -- this is an irrigation pond. They -- they don't have continuous irrigation
to his property, so they need to catch the water and store it into this pond, so they can
release it over a period of time. So, they have -- they have designed this pond into the
project. The original version of this pond there was an additional little finger that projected
into this open space here. The first trail came to the east and it stopped at this pond and,
then, there was a second trail that came down to the -- so the south and also stopped at
the pond. Staff had an issue with this and we told them that we didn't think that their open
space should be credited as being qualified open space with this abrupt stop in their trail
system, but we also thought that they should reconfigure their pond to make it a little more
usable. The applicant originally was resistant to this idea and this was one of staff's
conditions of approval when we went to the Planning Commission. At the Planning
Commission, the Planning Commission shared staff's concerns and thought that the trail
network should connect and that this pond should be a little more usable. After a bit of
discussion the applicant removed one of the lots, so originally Lot 61 was down here, if
you can see where my cursor is, and this pond projected into this. At the public hearing
for the Planning Commission the applicant was amenable to removing this lot and pushing
that little finger down and creating the pond in more of a circular manner and with that
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they also connected the trail network here. With that they addressed the comments that
staff had. At this Planning Commission meeting one of the adjacent property owners
came in, his name was Paul Poorman, and he was at 5230 North Black Cat Road. His
house is up here to the north, if you can see where my cursor is. It's showing us Lot 40
-- 42 through 44 there. Mr. Poorman was overall supportive of this project. He spoke
pretty highly of it. His only concerns were that he didn't want to see t wo story homes
looking down onto his house and he wanted to have some kind of privacy wall that was
built there. The app apparently worked with him very well, but there was nothing that was
actually solidified to ensure that was going to happen. So , the Planning Commission
added a few additional requirements. The first one was that these three lots that are
shown here is the 42 through 44, that homes on those lots would be restricted to one
story. The applicant also agreed to a requirement for a wall there, so that was the second
thing that the Planning Commission added that -- that staff had not original recommended.
You will notice in the staff report we originally had a concern, a lot of northern stub access
here. There was a couple of different versions of this subdivision that were by different
ownerships and at the time that there was a different ownership to the north we thought
that that stub street would be required. When they purchased the applicant was able to
get some of the property to the north, it no longer made that stub street required and I tell
you that because that was an original requirement in the staff report, that was stricken by
the Planning Commission. Staff was okay with that. So, with that that concludes my
presentation. If you have any questions, Council.
Simison: Thank you, Alan. Council, any questions for staff?
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Quick question. Alan, on that -- that fencing, that six foot fence, was that a six
foot fence on top of a six foot berm? Did I read that correctly?
Tiefenbach: No, sir. That was the -- but -- but that was with the other project.
Hoaglun: Okay.
Tiefenbach: The other project next door you are exactly right. It's just -- it is hard to keep
track of the two. It's a -- it's a six foot -- in fact, I think it -- I think that the Planning
Commission's recommendation just said the applicant will construct a wall to the north. I
don't think it says what the materials would be or what the height was.
Hoaglun: Okay. Thank you, Alan. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
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Cavener: A comment, then, maybe a quick question, Alan. Appreciate your support. If
you -- especially when you were responding to questions your mic -- it was pretty
challenging for us to hear your response to Council Member Hoaglun. I got the gist of
what your response was, but just for your own benefit tonight. Mr. Mayor, my question
about the pond, is there any feature built in within the pond that circulates the water or
anything designed to kind of prevent mosquito accumulation that happens with a lot of
these water features?
Tiefenbach: I think I'm going to defer that to the applicant. I know that there are some
requirements in our code in regard to the ponds not being stagnant. My understanding
is there is not a circulating system. This was discussed at the Planning Commission
meeting. This pond is -- my understanding is not going to be a permanent pond. About
six months out of the year it's going to b e dry. I think that the applicant's engineer would
probably be better -- do a better job of describing that for me, sir.
Cavener: Great. Thanks, Alan.
Simison: Council, any other questions for staff at this time? Okay. Would the applicant
like to come forward.
Strader: Mr. Mayor, I may have a question for staff while we are waiting.
Simison: Sure, go ahead, Council Woman Strader.
Strader: If Kyle is available or someone else from the Public Works Department, I just
think for this area of Meridian it might be interesting for us to sort of hear, you know, that
this is all connected, continuously development for the sewer trunk that we have and,
then, understand any kind of water -- just give us a feel for the services that are in place
and that we are ready from an infrastructure perspective, because they are right now next
to the high school is my understanding, but to go through that might be helpful.
Simison: Mr. Radek.
Radek: Council Woman Strader, Mr. Mayor, this is the first time I addressed you, Mr.
Mayor, and I just about said Madam Mayor, so -- sorry.
Simison: You need to come to Council more often it sounds like.
Radek: Yeah. I guess this one would be the -- of the three that are on tonight this one is
the farthest away from the new school. This one's really -- the Black Cat area has fairly
complete infrastructure around there and this is -- this is actually a county sub, which is
probably the only reason there is no -- there is no city infrastructure in that -- to the -- to
the east of this, but in general of the three applications that are -- that are on the agenda
tonight, they are pretty typical as far as the infrastructure around them and building the
system. Are they exactly the puzzle pieces that you would ideally want to build your
system? No. I don't think we ever get that. Example over on McDermott with the other
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two you have got the school property bringing the water in a loop and the school is
bringing the sewer trunk along McDermott and those other two developments are simply
attaching to those pieces of infrastructure. The one -- I think it's -- well, I can't remember
the name on here. Not Chukar, it's not Brody Square, the next on -- Lupine. Yeah. The
Lupine one will -- will hook onto that McDermott trunk sewer and they will actually -- they
will actually take the trunk through their development to enable the next development.
But, essentially, that's what we have going on is the previous developments have enabled
the -- these developments to go hook onto the infrastructure and there is -- in general
there is -- there is really not a lot unique about these particular ones. There -- there was
a couple of staff comments that -- that they were dead end water mains in a couple of
these and that also is a fairly standard comment. If we -- if water engineering had our
way we would have no dead ends in the system. I think the water operators would
probably like that, too. But it's not -- it's not always possible. We also take into account
what is pending around the subdivision, if there is a dead end, but we are relatively certain
that development is going to come soon and attach to that dead end, then, it's not as
much of a concern. Of course, the reason a dead end is a concern in general is because
we are concerned about the age of the water that might be in that dead end and it
contributes to water quality problems sometimes, depending on how fast those people
that live on the dead end use up that water. Sometimes there is no problem , but -- but
it's a common comment and we try to be -- we have a reasonable standard. If -- if there
is a reasonable connection that we feel that the developer can make to eliminate a dead
end we are going to ask for it and in the cases that you have tonight we didn't have any
of those, so I will stand for any other questions that Council might have.
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Mr. Mayor, maybe just a quick thought. Just to confirm, Kyle, it's not that the
water is bad there; right? I just read water quality on what -- one of the other applications
jumped out at me like, whoa, but it's not the quality of the water from the well, is what you
are saying is it's just -- the nature of development for continuous development it's just not
circulating as much, basically; is that right?
Radek: Council Woman Strader, Mr. Mayor, that's -- that's correct. It's -- it's a water age
issue. Certainly all the water that comes out of our -- our sources, our wells, our boosters
is -- meets -- meets all the water quality standards, but when you have water in the system
for a long period -- and generally my -- my feeling is that you want to use up the water in
your system in a day or a day and a half. If the water stays in the system for a long time
you can have issues with settling of some of the constituents in the water or some maybe
disinfection byproducts, things like that, just -- water quality doesn't improve -- water is
not like wine. It doesn't improve if you leave it in the system too long. So, yes, Council
Woman Strader, all the water comes out of -- comes out of our supply meeting all the
requirements of good quality and we want to keep it that way and one of the ways we do
that is by using it up quickly.
Simison: Any further questions, Council Woman Strader?
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Strader: Maybe another one, Mr. Mayor?
Simison: They are ready to go, unless you have got more questions.
Strader: No, I'm good.
Simison: Okay. We will --
Nelson: Mr. Mayor and Members of the Council, can you hear me okay?
Simison: We can. Thank you, Deb.
Nelson: Great. Thanks. My name is Deborah Nelson with Givens Pursley. My address
is 601 West Bannock Street. I'm here representing the applicant and tonight here with
me are the project's development team, Randy Clarno with Pinnacle Land Development
and Tim Nicholson, our engineer, with Kimley-Horn. You may also be familiar with some
of Randy Clarno's other projects in the city, with other successful quality residential
subdivisions, including Kingsbridge and Shelburne. We greatly appreciate staff's work on
this and their explanations tonight of what has changed with the Planning and Zoning
Commission. We are proud to be before you this evening with a recommendation from
the Planning and Zoning Commission that we are in full agreement with. I'm trying to
advance the slides here. See if I can -- it's not -- we did it before, but -- thank you. Okay.
A little technical difficulty. So, we will start just briefly with the vicinity. It is a 15 acre site
and I guess one of the things I wanted to point out is that this is an assemblage of three
five acre lots from an old county subdivision. This layout that we have provided with this
development provides the city with a much more efficient use of this land that is allowed
by the redevelopment and it's consistent with your Comprehensive Plan. There are still
some remaining county parcels immediately to our east and south , but, otherwise, this
area is -- this vicinity is surrounded by the city limits and immediately adjacent across
Black Cat to our west and immediately adjacent on the north. Council Member Strader,
your questions about services, I -- it was very difficult to hear, so I'm not sure that we
heard all of the responsive comments, but just in general I want to highlight that we do
have sewer and water immediately adjacent to the site in Black Cat Road. This site is
consistent with your Comprehensive Plan and what we have proposed here is R-8 zoning.
Your medium density residential designation calls for a density range of three to eight and
our density will be 4.26. We do now have 64 residential homes that we are proposing.
The staff report does describe 65, but we did give up one home site to accommodate the
change in the open space that staff described and I will touch on as well . This is the
updated site plan showing those 64 detached single family home s ites. Our irrigation
service, as staff noted, is provided by Settlers Irrigation District via the Beach Lateral.
This lateral is not a constant delivery system. The project receives 36 hours of service
per week. So, a pond and a pump station will be constructed on site for the irrigation
water storage and pressurized irrigation service . This really provides an opportunity for
us, because it provides an attractive amenity for our central amenity area. So, it's
something that people enjoy looking at when they are in the park area and so we are
actually excited about the opportunity to provide that. Council Member Cavener, you did
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ask about issues with mosquitoes. Because there -- it will be a pumped pond it will have
active circulation while it's in use during the irrigation season. The distance to
groundwater will keep the water from remaining and being stagnant through the winter
non-irrigation months. So, that should address your concern. In general we have got
support from everyone who has commented on this. We have -- we are -- we are in
agreement with all of ACHD -- ACHD's conclusions and conditions. As noted the Daphne
Street will be rerouted around the central amenity. ACHD is supportive of that and this
will provide a safer traffic flow, rather than a direct east-west connection there. This
development will also increase the street connectivity with the four stubs around the
property. I don't think I need to address the stub to the north, because as staff indicated
the staff is now in support of the proposed northeastern stub really shown in this slide, as
was the Planning and Zoning Commission. As staff described to you, we did make a
change at the Planning and Zoning Commission to the pond configuration and this side-
by-side slide really shows that -- the changes that were made and we are pleased with
the outcome with the connectivity, with the pathway coming from the north down into the
central amenity. You can see we did have to lose a lot to reconfigure this, but the
developer was agreeable to it being done. This is just a little closer up, so you can see
the connectivity that comes through the north -- running north-south down to the larger
amenity space. The open space has 2.67 acres, 16.5 percent overall, which is 11.5
percent of qualified open space. Only one amenity is required for a development this
small and it's provided here with the central amenity with the pond and adjacent to that
there will be a covered picnic area, the Ramada, along with a -- tables and benches and
a seating area -- a seat wall that's shown here. I have got some pictures to help illustrate
this a little better. Here you can see the Ramada and some examples of amenities and
features within this park area. An example of a seating wall and the pond and here is an
example from another development approved in Meridian of an open area between the
homes with attractive landscaping. Of course we will also have a pathway. The
architecture style of the project will be a mix of contemporary forms and modern style,
with an elegant and plentiful blend of materials ranging from stone to stucco and board
and batten siding. Home sizes will range from 1,600 to 3,000 square feet and stay similar
to the homes in the surrounding new developments. We will have a mix of single story
and two story homes and as staff noted we have agreed with the neighbor to restrict three
lots to single story adjacent to their homes. We also have agreed to provide a solid fence
and berm along their property to the north. Coun cil Member Hoaglun, you asked about
that description and we do have both the condition from the Planning and Zoning
Commission requiring the solid fence. We also have a plat note that's on the submitted
plat that requires that to be a concrete material as requested by the neighbor. With that I
would stand for your questions.
Simison: Thank you, Deb. Council, any questions?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
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Perreault: So, thank you so much for your presentation. The home elevations are lovely.
They look really similar to Bridgetower West, which I think is a very nice community close
by to this one and I'm curious about how the decision came to be regarding the -- the
picnic cover, the -- the amenity that -- the one main amenity that's presented, just -- just
wondering if that -- if you would share with us how that came to be the chosen amenity. I
-- I think a lot of folks in this area in general just use their backyards when they are
gathering with family or friends, but I'm just curious if you could give us some background
on that.
Nelson: Mr. Mayor, Council Member Perreault, I will do my best and if Randy Clarno has
anything to add I will invite him to. I think the idea is that people really do enjoy having a
gathering space where they can have a little more room and also have the -- the space
to gather with a larger group in an attractive setting. You know when -- when it's summer
and this is in use and there -- there will be a pond nearby, the landscaping is going to be
attractive, it can be a destination for walking from -- from the pathway and so this similar
style has been used in other developments that have been in Meridian with -- with great
success. In fact, the particular architecture here was specified by the city when we had
a difference architecture style for the Ramada in a prior development and the city
requested we use this more modern look and so it has been well received and -- and
provides the usable space for our residents. But one further point perhaps that helps,
you know, you to understand why I think it's been so well -- well received is the target
market for this development is professionals or young -- young families without children
and empty nesters. That's the size of home and type of development and it tends to
attract people that are looking for a more passive lifestyle amenity versus an active.
Simison: Council, any further questions?
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: Deb, jumping back to the -- to the pond, so if I understand correctly, 36 hours
a week the pond will be filled and, then, it will be drained based on the use of your
residence or of the residents for their pressurized irrigation with their sprinkler system and
that's how you are achieving kind of the -- the water movement. Are there any other
elements that you are including to help mitigate the mosquito problem that we see in a lot
of these?
Nelson: Mayor, Council Member Cavener, that is correct and in addition our engineer
shared with me that it will also have an aerator to keep the water circulating.
Cavener: Okay. Great. Thank you.
Simison: Council, any further questions for the applicant? Okay. Thank you very much.
This is a public hearing. Chris, do we have anyone signed up to testify on this application?
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Johnson: Mr. Mayor, we did not and we only have staff and other applicants online at this
time as well.
Simison: Is there anybody in the audience who would like to testify on this application?
All right. If the applicant would like to make any final closing comments.
Nelson: Sorry, Mr. Mayor. We are having a hard time hearing.
Simison: There was no testimony, so any closing comments you would like to make on
the application.
Nelson: Oh. Thank you. No, we don't have anything else to add, unless you have
questions I would be happy to answer them.
Simison: Okay.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: I guess maybe a question for staff, but I don't know if now would be a good time
or to wait until after the closing comments.
Simison: I would recommend now at this time.
Strader: Okay. That's what I suspected. I guess just a general question for staff. I had
asked earlier this morning in an e-mail, but -- and I noticed West Ada didn't comment on
all three of these applications and I ask if we could just have a follow up. Is that because
they are kind of taking some time to get their ducks in a row on their data and, then, they
are planning to provide comments or have they given us any direction that they are not
planning to or did we get any feedback on that?
Simison: I had a conversation with the developer yesterday and I don't want to speak for
the district, but what was conveyed to me in that conversation was at this point in time is
they are very busy with other things, they are maybe not commenting on ones that don't
have a real impact, but likely because at least in that area there is capacity or planning
capacity with the schools in that area. But I don't want to speak on behalf of the district ,
but that was the sense I got.
Nelson: Mr. Mayor, could I also respond to Council Member Strader's question?
Simison: Yes, please. Yes, please.
Nelson: Thank you. We -- as you noted, Council Member Strader, there weren't
comments from the district, but just in case you had questions -- other members of the
Council had questions about that, we did confirm that we do have capacity in each of our
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schools and so the elementary that serves this site is Pleasant View, which is opening
this year and so the capacity there is planned to have 625 and that is less than a quarter
mile from this site. So, on the same side as Black Cat, just to the northeast. The middle
school that serves this site is Star Middle, constructed in 2018, also has capacity. The
2019 enrollment was 704 and the capacity is a thousand. And the high school that serves
this site is Meridian High, has capacity. The 2019 enrollment was 1,995, capacity is 2,400.
So, we did, you know, confirm those numbers just to make sure we did have capacity in
each of our schools for this development.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Thank you. I appreciate you providing that. I suspected that was the case, but
wanted to get a picture for it and I know these are small, each application on their own,
but when you take them together it starts to add up and we do appreciate their input. I
know there is a lot on their plate. I'm hopeful that -- that they are getting organized and,
you know, will increase the communication going forward. But thanks for providing that
context very much.
Simison: Council, any other questions? If not, do I have a motion?
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: I move that we close the public hearing on H-2020-0032, Brody Square.
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: Second the motion.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing. Is there any
discussion on the motion? If not, all those in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay.
The ayes have it.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Just to kick off some comments here that I was very pleased to see that the
developer took out one of those lots to change that pond configuration and redo the
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pathways, because I think that made it a much better development and amenity that I
think the residents there will enjoy and walking through there and utilizing that area. So,
I appreciate them doing that and hearing what the Planning and Zoning Commission had
to say about it and -- and the work that they did -- that the Planning and Zoning
Commission did in -- in reviewing this and making those recommendations. So, I think
that makes it a good project and one that will fit well out there.
Simison: It's so wonderful, would you like to make a motion?
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Hearing no other comments, after considering all staff, applicant, and public
testimony, I move that we approve H-2020-0032 as presented in the staff report with
applicant comments from the hearing of July 21, 2020.
Bernt: Second.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to approve Item H-2020-0032. Is there any
discussion on the motion? If not, Clerk will call the roll.
Roll call: Bernt, yea; Borton, absent; Cavener, yea; Hoaglun, yea; Strader, yea; Perreault,
yea.
Simison: All ayes. Motion carries. Thank you very much.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
H. Public Hearing for Chukar Ridge (H-2020-0025) by Investment
Analytics Group, Located at 4005 N. McDermott Rd.
1. Request: A Preliminary Plat consisting of 63 buildable lots, 8
common lots and 5 other lots on 15.42 acres of land in the R
-8 zoning district.
Simison: Next we will move to Item 8-H, a public hearing for Chukar Ridge, H-2020-0025
and I will open this public hearing with staff comments and turn it over to Alan.
Tiefenbach: Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council. This is a preliminary plat
consisting of 63 lots, eight common lots, on 15 acres of land. It's important to mention in
this particular case this property has already been zoned to R-8. So, there are some
existing entitlements on this property. A little bit of history. You may remember some of
this. This property was a part of a larger annexation of 108 acres. It was done in 2018.
It was called the Owyhee High School annexation. So, the high school property is down
here and this was -- at the time was called the Spriggel property and there was a
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development agreement that was both for the high school and for this Spriggel property.
I think it's important to say -- and I'm going to talk about the access in a minute, but there
were certain requirements of the high school as they were starting to build that we
required them to put in these roads and I put up this exhibit before I have shown the plat,
because I really think that this tells a good story of the way that this works. So, the
Owyhee High School is what you see down here in blue and this is presently being
constructed and this road here to the south, this road is also in the construction phases.
A part of the development agreement for this project said that -- that West Ada Schools
had to build this road here and they had to build this east-west road here. Here is the
subject property. Up here is the Gander Creek Subdivision in which the final plat has
been approved, but I do not believe it's been signed yet and they have not started platting
that -- I don't think they have started building yet, but it's already gone through hearing,
it's already been approved. That Gander Creek Subdivision up here is for 401 lots. So,
access -- so, the primary access will occur from Ustick Road up this north-south collector
into the property from the east and there is another future access that's going to occur to
the north from the subject property up to West McMillan and, again, this east-west road
here is required to be constructed as part of the annexation agreement. This red line that
you see here, there is a -- a lateral that runs along the north side of the property, the
McFadden Lateral, and there is a maintenance road there and the reason for this that any
subdivision of more than 30 lots has to have a secondary point of access. Originally the
applicant wanted to take access to the east onto West McDermott Road, which would
have been great, except that the -- Highway 16 is going to be built here and when Highway
16 comes through that's going to in effect cut off access. However, the applicant has
been talking to the applicant with Gander Creek Subdivision and now they propose to
take western access -- and I will show you in a second how that's going to work. I'm not
sure yet if they have to build a bridge or not. I think that the applicant across the lateral
-- the applicant is still working on that, but my understanding is that they have been talking
to the Gander Creek Subdivision and they are amenable to that. That said, you will notice
that one of our recommendations was that no more than 30 lots can be -- or no more than
30 homes can be constructed without a permanent secondary point of access. I want to
-- I want to point this out, because I think this is important -- is in the time between Planning
Commission and the City Council hearing there had been some discussion and Joe
Bongiorno with Fire said that he didn't have an issue with there only being one po int of
access if all of these homes were sprinklered. That said, the applicant is proposing -- and
I will go through that with their recommendations , that recommendation 1-B be changed
to say that no more than 30 houses can be built without a secondary pe rmanent access
or without all of the homes being sprinkled. So, they wanted to add that as one of the
conditions of approval. So, here is the preliminary plat and, again, so the north-south
collector comes up this way. This road to here will be constructed by the school district
and, then, this West Achievement Road, this is all the internal roads. This is a southern
stub here that's presently a 40 acre piece of property that has not been developed and is
not in the city at this point. But if it did we would have an access. This right here is a
common lot and, then, this is the lateral with the -- the easement that I discussed. So,
under this present arrangement if they wanted to take this way, they would come up this
northern common lot and, then, come across this main -- now this, again, would only be
for emergency access. This wouldn't be for all of the other residents , just in case they
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needed to. This is the -- the amenities and -- the amenities package for this project and,
again, I think the applicant did a very good job of putting together these little exhibits to
tell the story of exactly how this would work. In particular what you are looking at here ,
this colored exhibit, what you see in green is sidewalk. What you see in orange is asphalt
or gravel. What you see in blue is asphalt. This is -- this little nub here has changed
since the Planning Commission. This is now going to be asphalt, which we are perfectly
fine with, and, then, this here, this purple is the lateral and the reason why I show you this
is this is all set up as sort of a small pathway loop. It's -- roughly if you were -- if you can
watch my cursor, you can walk down this, take the sidewalk, this will be a path up here
with some amenities with some benches and stuff like that. You can also get in from a
common lot here. You can walk down this lateral here. Eventually there is hope that this
will connect, come back down here in a circle and that's roughly about a quarter -- about
a quarter of a mile. So, I guess if you wanted to do enough loops you could do that, but
I know there is some other projects coming in where they are actually looking at trying to
connect all this together as well. The Planning Commission was overall okay with this.
Their only concern was that not every -- there is children that don't always want to go on
a quarter mile walk, they need more things to do, so they had a recommendation that the
applicant provide a second amenity. The applicant was perfectly amenable to that. That's
what you will see here. This little white dot, if you can see, is sort of where I'm moving
around, they have agreed to put in a tot lot there. W ith that they have already done what
staff has suggested and, then, they went on and did what the Planning Commission
suggested as well. At the time that this project was heard we did not have a staff report
from ACHD yet and there was some hesitation at the Planning Commission about whether
they should hear this or continue this without a staff report from ACHD. Since that time I
have gotten a staff report from ACHD. It was all just general comments in regard to road
templates. They did not express any concerns. At the Planning Commission meeting,
the Planning Commission made a few recommendations, all of which have now been
addressed. The first one was for the applicant to add an additional amenity, which they
did. They also made a recommendation -- there was -- the -- the Highway 16 alignment
is what you see here and this piece of property is what is going to be given from the
applicant for this highway alignment. Originally they were just proposing a berm here .
There is a requirement that you have to do this in our code. The Planning Commission
commented that in the Gander Creek Subdivision to the north there is a berm and a wall
of a certain height -- at the time they didn't know -- and they wanted this applicant to tie
into that. The applicant was perfectly amenable to doing that. So, one of the conditions
of the Planning Commission is that the applicant construct a six foot berm and a six foot
wall on top of that of materials and style to match Gander Creek. In your staff report, but
not on this presentation, you will notice that there was a detail of that. So, they did include
that on their plat. And the last thing was that the -- the Planning Commission had some
original concerns with these common drives. There is three of them. There is one here .
There is -- let's see. One -- sorry, I have a tendency to turn my head. My apologies about
that. There are several common drives and those -- originally those common drives had
more than one house being served on them. The Planning Commission was not
comfortable about that. They recommended that common drives only be limited to three
houses. The applicant did a little bit of tweaking and so that condition has been met as
well. So, all of the conditions have been met. Staff recommends approval on this, as well
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as the Planning Commission, and the applicant I think in their presentation will request
about that addition being made that more than 30 homes could be built if they are
sprinklered and with that, Council, I will conclude or answer questions.
Simison: Thank you, Alan. Council, any questions? Okay. If not I will invite the applicant
to come forward and be recognized for 15 minutes. I assume that's Mr. Adams who will
be presenting?
Adams: Good evening, everybody. This is Matt Adams. Let me get my screen up for
you.
Simison: And, Matt, if you could state your name and address for the record, please.
Adams: Ye s. Matthew Adams. 462 East Shore Drive, Eagle, Idaho. All right. And,
Council, I assume you can see the title slide of my presentation. Thank you , Council
Member Cavener, for nodding. All right. So, I am really excited to be here presenting this
tonight. This is a great project and it's really the culmination of work I started with the
Owyhee High School in 2017. The project is adjacent to -- so, the project -- here is a
picture of the project and this is adjacent to the school district parcel for the high school
and the future elementary on the west. It's adjacent to Gander Creek South, as Alan
mentioned, on the north and there is a couple projects coming soon to the east and, then,
you will be excited to hear I met with the property owner south of this project this afternoon
and they will be working toward bringing an application before you in the coming weeks
and months. So, this -- this project is starting to fit into what this part of west Meridian is
becoming. There is lots of great housing and great schools and great transportation with
Highway 16. The advantage of not going first is you can address a few things that came
up in earlier presentations. We have got sewer and water on this project that was
constructed by the high school and so we already have all of our sewer and water stubs
to this location and we just connect to it, run it through our streets and stub to the south
with the next neighbor that needs to pick up those -- those services. The West Ada School
District -- I know they didn't respond in writing. However, this particular property owner
and this project has been partnered with that development from the star t and they are
intimately familiar with what's being planned here and have been in favor of this project
throughout its -- its development. This project is focused on affordability and affordability
achieved through slightly smaller square footage, focused on quality and focused on
amenities. As you heard Alan say, the -- you know, we had a pathway amenity system
we are really excited about. We came to P&Z. Planning and Zoning suggested an
additional amenity and the developer, my client, said let's do it. It will make our project
better and we are in favor of that. This is a bit of a rehash , but I think it's important to
understand, because it's your first time seeing this. The Planning and Zoning
Commission did, in fact, recommend approval, but there were five key points that they
brought up during that meeting that we want to make sure we address. First is adding
the six foot high fence -- sound wall. Excuse me. With six foot height berm on Highway
16. Being consistent with Gander Creek South. To reduce common driveways to serve
three lots maximum. To comply with ACHD. To establish secondary access for
emergency vehicles. That's critical. And to add a second amenity. And I'm happy to say
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I get to come and tell you we have done all these. I'm not going to argue or beg or plead.
Here is, again, the same size that you saw, it says revised, it's different than the plan that
was before Planning and Zoning. The blue arrow indicates the location of the six foot
berm with six foot sound attenuation wall and this is a rendering of what that will look like.
The one thing about this project that might not be intuitive when you first see it , there are
so many trees on this project that it is going to be unique from day one. We have -- there
are a lot of trees there now, so we were able to keep several, we are excited about that,
and we are mitigating a lot of trees and so the street buffer to Highway 16 not only has
the wall and the berm, but it has about two to three times the number of trees that code
actually requires and we are excited, because that's going to add to the sound
attenuation. The driveway -- this one's an easy one. Shared driveways you are limited
to fit lots -- each one, however, that's both sides. So, it is correct, Planning and Zoning
said, hey, let's do three maximum on each shared driveway and we were able to achieve
one driveway has three and the other two have two and two of these driveways on the
northeast and northwest provide connectivity and walkway to connect into our pathway
to the east. The ACHD staff report. Just did slightly -- I mean it was just general internal
circulation system. However, it did indicate -- one thing we were unsure of, which was
the widening of McDermott Road at our frontage, we weren't sure what was happening
there. It does indicate we need to do that and we will be doing that. That's not a problem
at all. All right. Let's talk about probably the most important thing and Alan and Joe
Bongiorno have been excellent to work with as we worked to resolve this. This is
circulation secondary access. As Alan indicated, we do, in fact, have secondary access
from McDermott and that will be in place and will remain in place until Highway 16 is
developed. We don't know when that will happen. Indications from their consultant and
from Merrill over at ITD is two years would be the fastest and it could be longer than that.
They won't say. The fact that it could go away is enough to motivate us to find another
option. So, that's where the Gander Creek connection comes in that Alan pointed out.
Gander Creek will stub a public roadway to this location, our northwest corner. We have
reserved right of way -- future right of way to bring a public roadway along the edge of the
elementary school site. There are utilities in that corridor and we will -- if we decide to
exceed 30 lots we will, one, is build that or we will sprinkle -- fire sprinkle all of the lots
after number 30. So, Joe asked -- and he's like, okay, that sounds great, but I need to
know which 30 lots you are going to build and when you are going to stop until you have
this secondary access. So, we took a look at it and what this demonstrates is that we
would construct -- construct these 30 lots, we would not go beyond this until we had the
secondary access constructed in place or we would start to build them with fire sprinklers
and as you noticed in the center of the screen, we are picking up our tot lot amenity,
because with this approach we may or may not be able to get all of our passive. This is
what Alan had talked about our suggestion for a slight change to the condition of approval.
So, the way this reads is that we will construct no more than 30 homes with current
secondary fire access from McDermott Road. So, 30 lots. That's it. If we want to exceed
that we will do one of three things. We will cross the McFadden Drain and connect to
Gander Creek South. We will construct a connection out to Ustick Road. And that one's
a long shot, but, you know, we want all our options open. For, C, we will fire sprinkle all
structures in excess of 30 units. The reason we are asking for some flexibility here is
because we don't know if Gander Creek stub will be to that location. So, we could commit
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to building the crossing, but it could not go anywhere to the north. Well, we could commit
to going to Ustick and not be able to get through the two parcels south of us. We could
commit to fire sprinkling and, then, have a different roadway option available. We will not
exceed 30 homes until one of these three mitigation factors is in place. Common areas
and amenities. So, we know that there is a focus in the comp plan and a focus among
Planning and Zoning and Council to provide livable communities with great quality and
this project is dedicated to doing that. Our common area amenity pathway system -- Alan
kind of gave you an overview of the connectivity and looping. This is a really clean quarter
mile loop, but there is also a half mile loop if you are willing to walk down the gravel on
the ditch bank. And, you know, if you look at the recent parks -- or I guess it was Planning,
they did a survey about amenities and open space and in the top seven items that people
want pathways is one of them and so we are excited to be contributing to that. The upper
left of your screen is the view down that six foot berm and six foot sound wall and that's
what that pathway would look like at that location as it heads north and, then, we have
just got some great images of what we expect to see happening in the pathway system.
We are also really pleased that we can kind of hit maybe a bigger age range , because
we have not only pathways, but we are providing a playground system and tot lot and this
is a view looking south into our central common area and what that tot lot area could look
like. Again, it is halfway through that section as well. And, then, the image in the top
center is the actual piece that we have suggested to the developer and they like the
natural look with the number of trees and the open ditch and the natural amenities in this
subdivision. We are really excited also. They -- this developer knows -- even though a
house can be smaller, less square footage, hit a better price point and provide
affordability, it can still be a nice and quality product with very attractive features. So, you
see some examples of what they are planning in t his area and it is two story. There are
some single story, but mostly two story to get the number of bedrooms that people are
desiring in the market right now and garages -- two car garage, driveway, and we think
that these will be a very nice product. T hey will blend well with The Oaks and with Gander
Creek and the other projects in the nearby area. The Chukar Ridge Subdivision is a
quality community. It provides affordability and quality of life in west Meridian. The
common open space and site amenities will improve the livability of this neighborhood.
We have a strong buffer on the Highway 16th Street edge and we will -- we are protecting
adjacent natural amenities as we leave the McFadden Drain open to promote wildlife,
cooling of the area, et cetera. And just a quick recap on these Planning and Zoning
comments. We are excited to say that we have hit all of them. So, that is the end of my
presentation and with that I'm happy to answer any questions that anyone may have.
Thank you very much.
Simison: Thank you, Matt. Council, any staff -- any questions for the applicant?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: I thank you for the great presentation. I just wanted to make a comment and,
then, a request from you. The first comment is about the sprinklers in the homes greater
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-- or after Lot 30. So, thank you very much for considering that, because as I'm sure you
have heard, Council has been having a lot of conversations about supplying fire service
in that area and so that's something that was totally on my mind as I was reviewing the
application and so that makes me a little bit more comfortable, although I think in general
we -- we don't want to see a huge amount of residential growth out here until we can get
fire and police services closer in that direction. So, I'm glad that the applicant is willing to
consider that. The second -- the small request I wanted to make is that -- regarding the
tot lot area, thank you for considering that second amenity. That was much appreciated,
because I know there is not a lot of parks out there yet , although I imagine some of the
children in the area will use the school, the -- you know, the playground at the school if
it's open when the elementary school finally goes in , which may be a while. I noticed in
my own neighborhood that parents wouldn't really go to the -- the community park or -- or
hang out at the tot lot. If there weren't benches there, they just didn't want to stand and
didn't want to haul their chairs out there, so I didn't see it in your rendering, but that doesn't
mean you won't do it, but if you wouldn't mind throwing a couple of benches in there, that
would be great, too. So, thank you.
Adams: Mayor -- Mr. Mayor and Council Woman Perreault, thank you very much.
Appreciate those comments. I have a note right at the top of my page to point out the
benches. We -- but I'm going to take a look at that with the owner, because what I show
in the plan is like four benches and there is two at the tot lot and, then, two where our
open space widens up for the pathway in the northeast corner. You know, we will take a
close look at that, see if that seems like the right number or right fit. But, yes, some
seating amenity I think is -- is important and Alan and I have talked about that as well.
Thank you.
Simison: Council, any additional questions for the applicant? Okay. Mr. Clerk, do we
have anybody signed up to testify on this application?
Johnson: Mr. Mayor, we did not.
Simison: Okay. This is a public hearing. Is there anybody in the audience who would
like to provide testimony on this application or is there anybody online who is waiting to
testify on this item, if they will, please, indicate by using the raise hand feature at the
bottom of your screen. Seeing no one who wishes to testify on this item, Matt, would you
like to make any final comments as the applicant?
Adams: You know, the only thing I want to say, I -- I don't know if it matters much, but I
never hear it in presentation. I know Bob and Judy Spriggel who sold this property and
it's -- their dream is to be able to retire from the sale of this and their -- their son was
helping them and he passed away last year. He was a young guy, 50 years old, and this
has been a really kind of chaotic process for Bob and Judy. I have become friends with
them, just by being their neighbor, went to high school. Well, they had already bought a
new house and this project was moving slower than it was supposed to and they were
going to be in a financial crisis. Our client, the developer, fronted them the money to
purchase their new home, so that they wouldn't end up basically homeless , because my
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office and I wasn't moving as fast as we should have or -- it was quite amazing and I think
sometimes it's fun to hear that there is really amazing things that happen in the -- in the
mix or amidst this -- the development community, what you don't always hear on the
presentation. So, I wanted to thank my client for that and I'm excited that Bob and Judy
are able to retire now. Thank you, everybody. Appreciate your time.
Simison: Thank you, Matt, for sharing that.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: I move that we close the public hearing.
Hoaglun: Second the motion.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to close public hearing. Is there any discussion
on the motion? If not, all those in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay. The ayes
have it.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: To confirm was -- what was the final verdict on what Matt said in regard to the
benches and such by the -- by the playground?
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor, I had heard him say that he had four total, two at the tot lot and two
on the pathway.
Bernt: Okay.
Simison: That was my recollection as well.
Bernt: Do we need to include that in the motion or --
Simison: It can't hurt.
Bernt: Okay. Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: After considering all staff, applicant, and public testimony, I move to approve file
number H-2020-0025 as presented in the staff report for the hearing date of July 21 st,
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2020, with the addition of the secondary access considerations. The applicant will
construct no more than 30 homes with current secondary fire access from McDermott --
from McDermott Road prior to constructing home number 31 to the end of the project.
Applicant will provide one of the following additional solutions to mitigate the future
construction of -- of the Highway 16 Expressway. Option A, construct roadway crossings
of the McFadden Drain to connect to Gander Creek South. Option B, construct
connection South to Ustick Road. Option C, fire sprinkle all structures in the excess -- in
excess of 30 units -- unit 31 until the end of the project. Also to include park benches
specified by the applicant in -- I believe there was a couple by the tot lot and two others
in another location that was mentioned on the public record.
Hoaglun: Second.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to approve the item, with a very well thought out
motion. Is there any discussion on the motion? If not, Clerk will call the roll.
Roll call: Bernt, yea; Borton, absent; Cavener, yea; Hoaglun, yea; Strader, yea; Perreault,
yea.
Simison: All ayes. Motion passes. Thank you very much.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
I. Public Hearing for Lupine Cove (H-2019-0133) by Penelope
Constantikes, Riley Planning Services, Located at 4000 N.
McDermott Rd.
1. Request: Annexation of 7.09 acres of land with an R-8 zoning
district; and,
2. Request: A Preliminary Plat consisting of 26 building lots and
6 common lots on 7 acres of land in the proposed R-8 zoning
district.
Simison: Up next we have Item 8-I, a public hearing for Lupine Cove, H-2019-0133. I
will turn -- open this public hearing with staff comments and turn this over to Mr. Parsons.
Parsons: Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council. The next item on the agenda
this evening is the Lupine Cover project. The applications before you is a request for
annexation and preliminary plat. The site consists of seven acres of land, currently zoned
RUT in Ada county and is located at 4000 North McDermott Road. Adjacent land uses
and zoning. We have approved existing residences zoned R-4, R-8 and RUT in Ada
county. Comprehensive Plan future land use designation for this property is medium
density residential in which the city can anticipate a density range between three to eight
dwelling units per acre. The plat that's proposal before you this evening consists of 3.7
dwelling units to the acre, which is within the lower range of the density desired in this
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area. If you recall, the applicant was before this body on April 28th to discuss a remand,
so that Planning and Zoning could have a look at a revised plat in hopes that the -- both
staff and Commission can bring forth a recommendation of approval for this body. I'm
happy to note that the staff report was updated to reflect staff 's recommendation of
approval for this project and the plat before you this evening also is endorsed by the
Planning and Zoning Commission. The subject plat before you consists of 26 residential
lots. One of them includes an existing home that will remain as part of this project and
six common lots on a total of seven acres in the R -- proposed R-8 zoning district. Lot
sizes range from 4,353 square feet upwards to 13,924 square feet. The plat is proposed
to develop in a single phase and I'm happy to report that all of the lots do comport with
the R-8 dimensional standards. One of the items that was discussed at the Planning and
Zoning Commission hearing was whether or not there was adequate transition along the
southern boundary. If you had a chance to look at the aerial here you can see that there
is -- there are five acre lots that abut the southern boundary of this particular project. That
was discussed by Planning and Zoning Commission in their finding of that -- during that
hearing they did find that there was adequate transition between th is development and
the county residences to the south. Access to this development will be from McDermott
Road, which is designated a collector roadway. One of the main reasons for staff's
recommended denial for this project and ultimately endorsed by the Commission, was the
fact that it had more common driveways and less stub streets to the adjacent properties.
The plan that's before you this evening does provide a northern stub street that ties into
an adjacent development called the Aegean Subdivision and that is in the development
process as we speak and, then, also the applicant for the Comprehensive Plan and UDC
we require interconnectivity, so we do require stub streets at the southern boundary, too.
Those five acre pieces as well. And if you note on this plan you can see that the temporary
turnaround is on the common lot and that does meet the Fire Department and ACHD
requirements for a temporary turnaround. So, my cursor here -- you can see it here, there
is the temporary turnaround for that stub street. Originally staff had recommended that
they flip the temporary turnaround and restrict the buildable lot from developing until the
road is constructed. However, Planning and Zoning Commission sided with the applicant
and was fine with it remaining on -- become an open space lot that you see before you
this evening. Open space for this development consists of approximately .83 acres of
land. Half of that is the buffer along McDermott Road -- or all of it is the buffer along
McDermott Road, because it is a collector street and they get to count all of that as part
of the code and, then, the two central open space lots you can see there meet UDC
standards. One of the unique things about this development -- it's similar to what you just
acted on with Chukar Ridge directly to the west of this project is the fact that the applicant
is seeking of Council waiver to leave the McFadden Lateral open and that was something
that the Commission -- or the Council did grant the Aegean Subdivision to the north. So,
the applicant is asking for this body to leave that waterway open and, then, as part of this
development they are creating an HOA over that waterway so that it can be owned and
maintained by the HOA in the future. There aren't a lot of improvements within that
easement area due to Nampa-Meridian's requirements, but the applicant is willing to at
least maintain the weeds and keep it more of a natural state just like the Chukar Ridge
development across the street from this particular project. The applicant is proposing
more amenities than required by code. So, essentially, there is going to be a gazebo area
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in the northern central lot here with micro paths that feeds to it and, then, also on the
southern boundary there is also a proposed micropath that stubs to the south for
interconnectivity. Also ties into the temporary turnaround and also provides an access to
the tot lot that's also proposed with this development. You can see on the graphic before
you I have a couple of tan arrows and this was a recommendation of staff that the
applicant -- although the Nampa-Meridian Irrigation District does not want an official city
pathway within the common lot, there will be an access road that residents will be able to
walk along if they want to, more like a nature hike, if you will, and so staff thought it would
be a great amenity to at least provide some micropath stubs to that -- to those common
lots for access. During the Planning and Zoning Commission it was testified that Nampa-
Meridian may not allow that, because they want to deter people from walking along the
canal, if not invite them to go along that with waterway. So , the Planning and Zoning
Commission did recommend or modify those conditions of approval and said those
pathways could be constructed if allowed by Nampa-Meridian, so -- so, what you are
seeing here -- if Nampa-Meridian doesn't allow it, then, these pathways -- micro paths will
not be stubbed to the waterways along the perimeter of this project. The other unique
feature with this development is that there is over 1 ,900 caliper inches of mature trees
that need to be mitigated for. The applicant is working closely with the city arborist to
make sure that they can preserve as many mature trees on the site as possible. I can let
this Council know that the first rendering did not take into account a lot of the mature trees
and that was some of the reservations -- the hesitancy of staff to recommend approval of
this project with the first rendering, because we were just losing too many mature trees
on the site. I mean the intent of the code is to preserve and enhance those mature trees
and so this plan before you eliminate s a lot of the common driveways, but it also losses
lots and preserves a lot of those mature trees on the site, at least more than what the
other plan did. So, the applicant as they work through their final plat , they are going to
have to come forward with their mitigation plan and we will take a look and see how many
caliper inches they are actually saving with this proposed development. Again , here is
the landscape plan. The two amenities as I mentioned to you. Here is the amenity detail
for the tot lot and also the gazebo area on the northern lot and, then, the applicant is
proposing these style of elevations for you. Like typical developments, anything up along
Meridian Road -- or, excuse me, McDermott Road is going to require some design review
from staff, at least we are going to look at that before we issue building permits. We want
to make sure that two story homes have a mix of materials and the backs of those homes
modulate along those -- those roadways. As I mentioned to you, the Commission did
recommend approval at the June 18th hearing. They found that the revised plat was a
substantial improvement over the previous one. Speaking in favor was Penelope
Constantikes and Derek Kerner. There was no one speaking in opposition or
commenting. Written testimony was submitted by Sue Wagg. Her concerns dealt with
the development affecting the wells and water quality in the adjacent county subdivision.
The applicant's engineer confirmed that this would not be the case as this development
has to provide its own municipal water service. So, it should not impact their wells or their
water quality. Key issues of discussion by the Commission. Again, lot transition on the
southern boundary, coordination with the Nampa-Meridian Irrigation for the walking path
connections to the Five Mile and McFadden Drain easement area. Relocation of a
turnaround on a buildable lot and, then, also the Commission spent some time talking
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about the feasibility of that southern stub street being extended in the future and whether
or not those five acre lots would develop further into the future. Key changes to the staff
recommendation. The Commission struck condition 2-E and 3-C requiring the relocation
of a temporary turnaround on buildable lots, as I mentioned in my presentation, and, then,
the Commission also modified condition 2-B requiring the pathway stubbing to those open
waterways if allowed by Nampa-Meridian Irrigation. So, really, the only outstanding issue
for you this evening is taking action on whether or not you approve the existing waterways
to remain open, as allowed in UDC 3A-6. Staff looked at the public record before the
hearing this evening and there was no additional public comment since the Planning and
Zoning Commission. With that staff and Planning and Zoning Commission are
recommending approval and I will stand for any questions you have.
Simison: Thank you, Bill. Council, any questions for staff at this time?
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Quick question just for my own education. It seems like a great amenity to have
it open and kind of in a unnatural setting. I was thinking there is some sort of fence that
comes along with it. Is that the concern why it wouldn't be approved? Is it a safety
concern or -- just give me a feeling for why I guess the Nampa-Meridian Irrigation District
doesn't view these as a natural pathway or a natural amenity.
Simison: Does anybody have a quick answer? Because this is a -- its own couple year
topic, but, Bill, do you want to try?
Parsons: Mr. Mayor, I'm happy to provide some content on it. I mean I have worked
closely with the irrigation district over the years and I think Council Woman Strader hit it
on the head, it's -- it's safety. It's public safety. As you are aware every year they come
out with their public messaging about drowning and not swimming in the canals. This
body has the ability to require fencing if they deem a safety issue is present. I can assure
you this area is fairly -- fairly wide. The applicant is proposing fencing along the perimeter
of the buildable lots, but nothing up against the canal. So, again, that's within your purview
if you think there is a safety issue, the applicant can work with the irrigation district to erect
fencing along that waterway and try to minimize some of that concern , but these
waterways are pretty much open throughout the community. So, short -- short story is it's
safety. But long answer the -- to them it's just water delivery. It's not considered an
amenity, like the city would use it.
Simison: Thank you. Council, any other questions for staff anyways? Okay. If not, we
will turn this over to the applicant and I will apologize and not try to state the last name of
the applicant, but you are recognized for 15 minutes. If you would state your name and
address for the record, please.
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Constantikes: Thank you, Mayor. Penelope Constantikes representing the applicant. My
address is Post Office Box 405, Boise, Idaho. 83701. (Unintelligible) that northern
(unintelligible) water feature and the gazebo and the pathway.
Simison: Penelope, you need to hold on one second. We are having a hard time hearing
you.
Constantikes: Can you hear me better now?
Simison: Yes.
Constantikes: Okay. Sorry. In my next life I will be louder. But this one I'm kind of quiet.
Sorry. I just wanted to backtrack. On that northern open space that is adjacent to the
drain easement, the applicant is proposing to put in an open vision four foot fence along
that perimeter for safety reasons, because we will be more likely to have families in that
common lot and -- and the fence will provide them from -- or prevent them from just
wandering into the drain easement area without being -- I mean -- but it will be open
vision, so -- anyhow, last time we were here you remanded this back to Planning and
Zoning Commission and we thank you for that, because we had a successful P&Z hearing
and we are here before you this evening. Just a couple of notes. As Bill mentioned the
shared driveways have been removed. The stub street to the north was added. We
increased our open space and we have more than enough amenit ies. There was a
decrease in density and the geometry of the site is greatly improved. So , with Planning
and Zoning Commission approval there were some changes as Bill outlined. This cul-de-
sac is going to remain where it was proposed. There was quite a bit of discussion about
the landscape plan and the tree mitigation. I will get into that in just a few minutes. The
pathway connection is Lot 5, which is the northern open space. It's not required , but the
pathway that's following the stream feature that we have will be terminated at the Gazebo
area instead. I just wanted to mention -- we do have a stream feature in this -- on this
plat in the open space. There is a -- an artesian well located on this site. If you look at
the -- the subdivision plat and the landscape plan, it's along the western boundary of the
southern open space about midway and it produces a lot of water. So, the open spaces,
the common lots in the subdivision will be irrigated with available artesian water and the
leftover will be routed through the stream feature that we have in the open space and Lot
5 I believe it is and -- and its pre-development flow, so it will discharge into the McFadden
Drain at that location. Let's see. I will reference the pathway in Lot 14 in a few minutes.
With regard to the tree mitigation, the applicant's representative and I met with the tree
-- the arborist on site on July 2nd and we spent quite a bit of time there. Well over an
hour. We walked around and looked at all the great, nice, healthy, stable, mature trees
and -- and talked about keeping as many of those as we can. So, he's updating the
mitigation plan. We are actually backtracking all the way to the beginning again , because
the arborist felt that maybe some caliper inches were included in the tree mitigatio n plan
that maybe should not have been. So , he's updating the mitigation plan. I think our
caliper inches deficit is going to decrease as a result of that and so we will -- we will
continue to work with the arborist. The updated landscape plan that was before you this
evening has some of the trees that are existing that we are pretty confident we will be
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able to keep and that will be expanded once the arborist is done updating his mitigation
plan. He has free rein of the site anytime he wants to come out look and we look forward
to working with him to retain as many of the caliper inches as possible on site and as
stated, the applicant is very agreeable to that. Those trees are nice and they are a great
amenity. So, we will work real hard to keep as many as we can. The open space is
consolidated. We are still really excited about the way the open space turned out. There
is a -- they are in close proximity, but they serve different areas of the plat and we have
provided multiple amenities. We have a child's play structure. You just saw a cut sheet
for that a few minutes ago. We have a gazebo. We have the water feature, which is the
stream and the pathway that connects to the gazebo will follow along that stream feature.
There is a 50 by 100 foot grassy area. We have linear open space and -- and, then, there
was a micro path within the two open -- the open common lots. I would be happy to
answer any questions you have about the irrigation . The applicant's very fortunate and
the future residents are that this site has an artesian well on it. So, it will be utilized to the
greatest extent possible. Regarding the pathway in Lot 14, Gennie Fishburn and I went
to Nampa and we -- we followed Greg Curtis around until we could actually stand face to
face with them and talk to them about how they feel about the open -- the -- the drain
easement. So, he submitted an e-mail in which he stated that he felt the path -- the
pathway on the drain easement wouldn't go anywhere and that it wasn't part of the master
plan for the City of Meridian pathway, either current or proposed. So, based on Greg
Curtis' comment it's -- it's really quite unlikely that a connection along the south boundary
of Lot 14 would be approved. It -- it encourages people to go where they are not
authorized to be and -- and I don't know that we can in good conscience put something
in the plat that would encourage people to go someplace that they weren't supposed to
be. So, let's see. What else would I like to tell you about? So, as it stands now, a path
on Lot 14 would -- would not probably be the best idea. So, other than the caveat about
the pathway in Lot 14 and even implicitly encouraging people to walk along th e drain
easements, we are in full support of the Planning and Zoning Commission's approval and
their conditions of approval. We would like to leave the drain open. It provides quite a bit
of habitat that will benefit the residents in the subdivision, because those birds will be
looking for seeds and fruits and things that they will be able to find at the homes. There
were no objections from the neighbors and with that I would be happy to discuss anything
that you would like. So, thank you for your time.
Simison: Thank you, Penelope. Council, any questions for the applicant?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Penelope, I remember this application very well for some reason. I remember
when it came before us it really stood out to me. So, I'm glad that you stuck with it and
brought back -- I think it's a much much better design and appreciate the connectivity that
you agreed to with the -- with the access on -- on both sides of the development. I do
have just one clarification about -- about the creek and safety. It sounds like that there
will be solid fencing all along the north side of the back of the home s and, then, in the
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common area you are going to have open fencing or maybe wrought iron fencing , four
foot, so no one should be able to essentially access that drain area from the development
unless they go outside of it; is that right?
Constantikes: That is correct.
Perreault: Okay. Okay. That's basically what I wanted to make sure of.
Constantikes: Thank you, ma'am.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Penelope, quick question regarding the artesian water. That's -- that's fantastic
that you have that, that you are going to use it. However, I know things change. I
remember when I was a younger man at the northwest corner of Ustick and Linder there
was a fantastic flow of artesian water that used to be there. Has long since disappeared.
And what are your plans if -- if that's the case with this artesian water down -- down the
road? What will you do to replace that -- that water? Do you have a system in place for
that?
Constantikes: Mayor, Councilman, I guess I would start by saying it's unlikely that it would
disappear. Probably what happened with the site that you have referenced is that it ended
up being piped underground and for some reason sometimes things disappear because
they -- they go underground and they are not convenient to deal with. As far as I'm aware
the -- the applicant is planning on retaining the artesian well. There is really no reason to
remove it. If in some unfortunate instance that that well did go away, all of the
infrastructure would be present to sprinkle the houses, they would just have to change
the connection to domestic water.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: And that's -- that's good to know, Penelope. I appreciate that. And I do hope it
doesn't go away. It's always nice to have -- have something like that on the property to
use, so -- and it sounds like you do have the infrastructure -- it could switch out if that
were the case and, like I said, I hope not. Thank you.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: I like the idea of -- the idea of passive open space, so to speak. You know, using
native grass and keeping as many large trees as possible . Penelope, do you have -- I
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would like to see what that looks like around the perimeter -- you know, along, you know,
the -- the easement along the canal there or whatever there . Is it -- is it -- is it pretty
wooded? Is it pretty open or is it -- is it -- is there existing native grass? Are you going to
put -- I mean are these plans that you are going to do, is that -- or is it already there?
Constantikes: Mayor, Councilman, passive open space is a great idea and at this time
there are some trees in the easement area that we are showing on our landscape plan
as being trees to retain. Obviously, the irrigation district has the authority to take anything
out of an easement area that they deem as inconvenient for them. These trees that we
are proposing to keep are pretty close to our -- our subdivision boundaries, not our
property boundary, and so there is really no reason for them to go away. The applicant
is amenable to planting fescue, which would be a natural plant and it's drought resistant,
so it doesn't -- it doesn't require any irrigation. But we are planning on leaving it as natural
as -- it's a great habitat area. I'm sorry, I might not be answering your question. If not
perhaps you would restate it for me.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor, follow up.
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: I live in a subdivision where there is a lot of native grass and a lot of cool walking
space where you -- you wouldn't necessarily play there or recreate there, but it's just a
great amenity to have where people walk and they just -- it's peaceful and it's -- you almost
feel like you are away from the city when you are walking through it. So, I -- I'm just sort
of trying to picture what -- if that's what you are talking about and what you are proposing
along the perimeter of your -- of this -- of this project.
Constantikes: Mayor, Councilman, I will refer you back to Nampa-Meridian Irrigation
District's position on the drain easement. This -- this drain easement area is not included
on any of the City of Meridian formalized pathway plan and there is no existing agreement
between Nampa-Meridian Irrigation District and the City of Meridian to permit any kind of
recreating along that drainage. So, it will be more of a visual amenity. The -- I know folks
do go walk on irrigation district easements in -- across the valley. I'm guilty of doing that.
But at this point in time there -- any kind of walking activity along that drain easement
would not be authorized by the irrigation district, so -- so having said that, if people do
walk it -- it's -- it would be between them and the irrigation district. We can't encourage it
or in some way support access to that easement. Does that answer your question ?
Bernt: Mr. Mayor, follow up?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: I guess I'm not promoting, you know, having a walking path on that easement per
se, just sort of wanting to know what it's going to look like. That's it. But if you don't have
that information --
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Constantikes: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Yes.
Constantikes: I apologize. So, the easement will just retain its natural condition as it is
now, which there are some trees and some bushes and the fescue will be planted and
that's just basically throwing the seed out there. It will take hold on its own, because it's
a natural -- naturally occurring species. So, it will just retain its -- its current condition,
which is, essentially, some open areas, some bushy tree areas. You can see in the lower
right-hand corner there is quite a few trees there and there are quite a few trees in the
middle section of the northern boundary. If you look at the land plans, we are planning
on retaining as many of those as we can. When we talked to the tree arborist and talked
about keeping trees that were on boundaries of sites of building parcels and also trees
that were in side setbacks where there won't be any utilities. So, a lot of effort will be put
into retaining trees, but if you look at the landscape plan we submitted, the cluster of trees
that are shown along the midsection of that northern boundary, those are all depicted on
our current landscape plan as being trees that we would like retain if possible.
Bernt: Perfect. Thank you, Penelope.
Constantikes: You're welcome. Thank you.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council woman Perreault.
Perreault: So, Penelope, if I'm understanding this correctly, so the HOA is going to be
responsible for maintaining that natural landscape in the -- in the area -- in the easement
area; correct?
Constantikes: That is correct.
Perreault: And what if the property owners insist on being able to use that space , because
they feel like they are paying for the -- I have seen this happen in other subdivisions. It's
happened in my own. I'm curious how -- or if that's going to be addressed through
covenants and how that will be -- you know, like -- I don't know what the right word is.
How that will be followed up on with the HOA. Have a management company that will be
tracking that? Just -- you know, if it's being owned and maintained by the HOA now there
is a liability element to it, et cetera, et cetera.
Constantikes: And the liability is the reason why the -- any kind of pathway connection
would be an issue and I apologize, Mayor and Council Woman, other than doing some
weed management -- and, I don't know, whatever incidental work would be needed
occasionally to maintain the general natural condition of the easement , I don't believe that
there is any other plans for managing the easement area. Mayor?
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Simison: Yes.
Constantikes: The applicant would like to add some comments. Is that possible?
Simison: Ye s. Just state your name and address for the record, please.
Fishburn: My name is Gennie Fishburne and my address is 4000 North McDermott. I'm
the actual subject property. Mr. Mayor and Council -- Councilmen, I just wanted to
mention that, you know, we have kind of talked about that. A lot of people will walk on the
pathway probably because they want to. It's really hard to police that. What we will
probably do in our CC&Rs is make note in there that it is not an official walking path and
it's recommended that they do not use the pathway, but we really aren't going to have any
means of monitoring that and chasing anybody down if they choose to go on that pathway
as people do sometimes. You know, we see -- we -- we really can't make the HOA be
responsible for chasing people down, but we will have that in the CC&Rs. It will be pointed
out that it's not an official walking path. That's why we are going to have the fencing as
well, is so that we encourage them to do the right thing and there is lots of walking paths
within the subdivision. So, to hope that that will be adequate for them and encourage
them to stay on those pathways. Thank you.
Constantikes: Mayor?
Simison: Yes.
Constantikes: If I could add another -- if I could add just another comment on that. Thank
you. So, not too far to the north of us is the Five Mile Creek and there is a beautiful formal
pathway along that that's part of the Meridian pathways plan and with the stub street that's
going to lead north to Aegean Subdivision, the residents in Lupine Cove can easily walk
through the Aegean Subdivision and get up to that formal pathway. They can bike up
there or walk up there and -- and it's not very far away. So, their accessibility to the
formalized pathway system in the City of Meridian has been enhanced with that stub
street. So, they won't have to go out to McDermott Road to get north to this pathway
along with Five Mile Creek, they will be able to do it internally walking through
neighborhoods instead.
Simison: Council, any further questions for the applicant? Okay. This is a public hearing.
Did we -- Mr. Clerk, do we have anyone signed up to testify on this item ?
Johnson: Mr. Mayor, we did not.
Simison: Okay. Well, unless Madam Deputy Clerk wishes to testify, we have nobody
else in the audience. Is there anybody online?
Johnson: Mr. Mayor, there is not.
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Simison: Okay. Well, then, with that I will turn this over to the applicant for any final
comments.
Constantikes: Thank you, Mayor. I would just be happy to answer any additional follow-
up questions that the Council may have.
Simison: Okay.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Constantikes: Thank you.
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Penelope, real quick. It sounds like on -- on that -- it won't be allowed by
Nampa-Meridian Irrigation District, the access and the pathway conditions, and I know
the Commission had modified condition 2-B requiring that if allowed. Do we know that's
official or do we leave that condition in in case they change their mind. What -- what are
your thoughts on that? Where do you come down on -- was that an official communication
or just -- they told you that and that's going to be likely they won't allow permission?
Constantikes: We do have -- excuse me. Mayor and Councilman, we do have official
correspondence from Nampa-Meridian Irrigation District. They indicate that they haven't
seen any design for any kind of connection to the easement area , but Mr. Curtis was
pretty specific about the fact that there is no authorized pathway that co uld be utilized
along the drain, so --
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor, Penelope, thank you for that. I just wanted to clarify that that truly
was a communication that indicated that -- and make certain that was -- was being
communicated. So, thank you.
Simison: Council, any further questions or a motion?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: I move we closed the public hearing for Lupine Cove, H-2019-0133.
Strader: Second.
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Simison: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing. Is there any
discussion on the motion? If not, all those in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay.
The ayes have it.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: I would be happy to kick off a little bit of discussion. I just want to say it's clear
from all the applications you have seen tonight , the Planning and Zoning Commission is
rocking and rolling, doing a great job improving things before they even get to us and just
super appreciate that. So, it seems like a nice project. I don't know where everyone else
is headed, but I'm in favor of allowing it to remain open, even that it's fenced in. It feels
like it resolves a big safety concern and I would hope one day people can view these as
sort of a natural amenity, even if they are not in the pathway plan, but I'm inclined to keep
it open and, yeah, it seems like the right thing to do and a little bit of a habitat for some
wildlife there. So, overall I like this project and I don't know if Council Woman Perreault
is going to make a motion. If not, I'm happy to do so.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: I will make a motion, unless there are other -- I see a lot of heads nodding, so
I assume -- I myself agree with Council Woman Strader. I think she said that well. I -- I'm
-- I am disappointed that the -- that the homeowners won't be able to use that -- that
pathway, but I understand the safety concerns and as long as there is something there
and they are protected, I am comfortable with -- with that remaining open as -- as she
mentioned. So, with that in mind, after considering all staff, applicant, and public
testimony, I move to approve file number H-2019-0133 as presented in the staff report for
the hearing date of July 21st, 2020. I don't believe we had any modifications.
Strader: Second.
Simison: I have a motion and a second -- I have a motion and a second to approve Item
H-2019-0133. Is there any discussion on the motion?
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor, do we -- do we need to go ahead and the one modification is to
allow them to not cover the -- granting a waiver to the Five Mile Creek -- McFadden Drain
remain open I think is what -- the only thing we need to condition. So, if the maker of the
motion would include that in her motion.
Perreault: I will. So, the proposed modification is that the Council agrees to leave the --
the area -- the McFadden Drain area open and not require it to be -- to be tiled and buried.
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Simison: Does the second agree? We have a head nod and yes.
Strader: Agreed.
Simison: Okay.
Strader: Can you hear me?
Simison: Ye s. Is there any further discussion on the motion? If not, Clerk will call the
roll.
Roll call: Bernt, absent; Borton, yea; Cavener, yea; Hoaglun, yea; Strader, yea; Perreault,
yea.
Simison: All ayes. Motion passes.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Item 9: Future Meeting Topics
Simison: We are to Item No. 9. Is there any items for future meeting topics?
Item 10: Executive Session per Idaho Code 74-206A(1)(a) To deliberate on a
labor contract offer or to formulate a counteroffer; 74-206(1)(d) To
consider records that are exempt from disclosure as provided in
Chapter 1, title 74 of Idaho Code,; and 74-206(1)(f) To communicate
with legal counsel for the public agency to discuss the legal
ramifications of and legal options for pending litigation, or
controversies not yet being litigated but imminently likely to be
litigated.
Simison: Okay. Then we will move onto Item 10. Mr. Nary, we did not vacate this item
early on.
Nary: We did not, but we can vacate it now.
Simison: Do we have a motion to vacate Item No. 10 off the agenda?
Bernt: I would like to make a motion to vacate Item No. 10 off the agenda.
Hoaglun: Second the motion.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to vacate Item No. 10. Is there any discussion
on the motion? If not, all those in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay. The ayes
have it.
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MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Simison: Do I have another motion?
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: I move that we adjourn the meeting this evening.
Hoaglun: Second.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to adjourn the meeting. Is there discussion on
the motion? If not, all those in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay. The ayes have
it. We are adjourned.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 8:07 P.M.
(AUDIO RECORDING ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS)
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MAYOR ROBERT SIMISON DATE APPROVED
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CHRIS JOHNSON - CITY CLERK