HomeMy WebLinkAbout2020-04-21 Regular Meridian City Council April 21, 2020.
A Meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order at 6:04 p.m., Tuesday, April
21, 2020, by Mayor Robert Simison.
Members Present: Robert Simison, Joe Borton, Luke Cavener, Treg Bernt, Jessica
Perreault, Brad Hoaglun and Liz Strader.
Also present: Chris Johnson, Adrienne Weatherly, Bill Nary, Caleb Hood, Sonya Allen
and Joe Bongiorno.
Item 1: Roll-call Attendance:
Liz Strader _X_ Joe Borton
_X_ Brad Hoaglun _X_Treg Bernt
X Jessica Perreault _X Luke Cavener
_X_ Mayor Robert E. Simison
Simison: With that I will call the next meeting into order. For the record is Tuesday, April
21, 2020, and the time is 6:02 p.m. We will begin this meeting with roll call attendance.
Johnson: Mr. Mayor, before roll call we have a technical issue we are trying to work out.
I'm curious if you could pause for one moment.
Simison: Then I guess we will pause for one moment.
Johnson: And we will be right back with -- Mr. Mayor, we are still working on something
in the background for one of our planning staff, but we should be good to proceed while
they work on that.
Simison: Okay. Well, with that I will ask the clerk -- I will bring us back in. Tuesday, April
21 st, 2020. The time is 6:04 p.m. Ask the clerk to call the roll.
Item 2: Pledge of Allegiance
Simison: Item No. 2 is the Pledge of Allegiance.
(Pledge of Allegiance recited.)
Item 3: Community Invocation with Mark Bryan of Harvest Church
Simison: Item 3. 1 just want to confirm, Chris. Do we know -- do we not have Pastor
Bryan with us?
Johnson: Mr. Mayor, that is correct. I did not get confirmation. I do not see him on the
call.
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Item 4: Adoption of Agenda
Simison: Okay. Then we will go on to Item 4, adoption of the agenda.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: Item D has requested to continue to April 28. When we get to there we will -- we
will talk more about it, but other than that I move that we adopt the agenda as amended.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor, before I second, do we want to add the Executive Session on at the
end of the meeting? And, Bill, what -- what letter was that particular section that we need
to add?
Nary: 74-206(1)(d).
Hoaglun: (d).
Simison: All right. Does the maker of the motion agree to amend his motion to include
that item and I have a second?
Hoaglun: I second.
Simison: Is there any discussion on the motion? If not, all those in favor signify by saying
aye. Opposed no. The ayes have it. The agenda is adopted.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
Item 5: Action Items
A. Public Hearing: Proposed 2020 summer Fee Schedule Updates
of the Meridian Parks and Recreation Department.
Simison: We will move into Item 5-A, a public hearing on the proposed 2020 summer fee
schedule for Parks and I will turn this over to Garrett White.
White: All right. Mr. Mayor, Members of Council, thanks for having me again tonight.
Before you are the remaining four summer 2020 program fees. Like I mentioned last
week, these fees are listed for the contractor -- or for the instructor per our contract. With
that I will stand for questions.
Simison: Council, any questions for Garrett?
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
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Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: Garrett, I apologize, I don't mean to put you on the spot. I meant to call you
about this today. That -- that Exhibit A that's in our documents, there is nothing there and
so I don't know if that was just a -- if there was a piece in the exhibit that we were supposed
to review before approval or if it just was inadvertently added.
White: Let me look. I don't think --
Cavener: I have never seen anything like that and so it struck me as it was probably just
inadvertently added, but I just -- I wanted to make sure before --
White: It looks like -- Councilman Cavener, that looks like it was just inadvertently added.
It's really just those four, which is all in the one contract in the first.
Cavener: Yeah.
White: Yeah. Good question.
Cavener: Thanks, Garrett.
Simison: Council, do you have any further questions for Garrett? If not we will move on
to Item 6 -- 5-13, Resolution No. 20-2198.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Should I go ahead and close the public hearing on Item 5-A?
Simison: Yes.
Hoaglun: I move that we close the public hearing on Item 5-A, the proposed 2020 summer
fee schedule updates for the Parks and Recreation Department.
Cavener: Second.
Bernt: Second.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing on the proposed 2020
summer fee schedule updates. Any discussion on the motion? If not, all those in favor
signify by saying aye. Opposed nay. The ayes have it.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
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B. Resolution No. 20-2198: A Resolution Of The City Council Of
The City Of Meridian Adopting the Summer 2020 Fee Schedule
Updates of the Meridian Parks and Recreation Department;
Authorizing the Meridian Parks and Recreation Department to
Collect Such Fees; and Providing an Effective Date
Simison: Item 5-B.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: I move approval of Resolution No. 20-2198, the summer of 2020 fee schedule
for Meridian Parks and Recreation Department.
Cavener: Second.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to approve Resolution No. 20-2198. Is there any
discussion on the motion? If not, clerk will call the roll.
Roll call: Bernt, yea; Borton, yea; Cavener, yea; Hoaglun, yea; Strader, yea; Perreault,
yea.
Simison: All ayes. The resolution is agreed to.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
C. Request for Reconsideration for Frazier Council Review (1-11-
2020-0011) by Elisabeth Songe, Appellant (Represented by Jim
Jones)
Simison: Item 5-C, request for a reconsideration for Frazier Council review, H-2020-
0011. I'm going to turn this over to Mr. Nary.
Nary: Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council. You have before you a request
for reconsideration under our city code. Mr. Jones is counsel for the -- for the requester
in this case is Ms. Songe. I think there is a Jenny Hay on the line. I think she's assisting
Ms. Songe this evening. As I -- as I have mentioned to you prior and I have also
mentioned to Mr. Jones, there is no testimony at this stage. Your decision point is based
on the -- on the written materials that you have in your packet from Mr. Jones and your
decision point is either to affirm the decision you made on March 24th, which was to
revoke the accessory use permit -- just to make it clear for the record, the basis of that
revocation on the 24th was the belief based on the information that was provided by the
appellant that night, Mr. Frazier, that the process was not properly followed by Ms. Songe.
That has now been refuted by her counsel and Ms. Songe's assistant, and so you can
either affirm your decision, reverse your decision, modify your decision or set it for a new
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hearing, which we will, then, notice all -- all parties and, then, have another public hearing
where all parties can present their evidence in relation to the --the request that was made.
So, one of four choices is your decision, Council.
Simison: Thank you, Bill. Council, any questions for Mr. Nary at this point in time?
Hoaglun: Mr. Nary?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Mr. Nary, it -- it has to go through the whole process, the time frame of noticing
and everything else. There is no way to expedite if we want to hear -- have a new public
hearing; correct?
Nary: That is correct. It will take at least ten days, so it would be probably two weeks.
So, that would be May 5th would be the earliest we could hold a hearing. And I see Mr.
Jones is on the line and as I said there is no testimony. If the Council needs any
clarification, again, it's just a clarifying question, not testimonial, certainly Mr. Jones can
answer that if you have any, but, again, if it's a hearing you would prefer, an opportunity
for both parties to present whatever evidence they have, besides what you already have
in written form, that would be your way to do that.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: There are some -- there are some -- what I feel are sort of gaps in information,
some questions that I have about what transpired that I would like to have answered from
the applicant. So, I am in favor of having a new public hearing -- or a second public
hearing.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Just to provide a -- maybe an opposing view, I am not in favor of having an
additional hearing on this. It sounded to me like the city and the clerk followed our agreed
upon process to provide Ms. Songe with adequate notice to appear before us and she
did not and I don't like the idea of creating a precedent that we are going to have people
not show up for meetings as requested and, then, review them.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
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Hoaglun: Yeah. Council Woman Strader touches on -- on important factors there. I'm
curious. A question to Mr. Nary. The request for reconsideration does lay out some things
about whether or not Mr. Frazier's appeal was tardy and it's based on if they are
considered to be a party of record. Is that something we can weigh in now or is that
something that has to be established at another hearing?
Nary: Thank you. Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, Council Member Hoaglun, again,
that would probably have to be done in a hearing, because we can't provide testimony
tonight. I think the dispute before you from the written materials for Mr. Jones -- the
Council's decision was based upon the process not being followed, based upon the
appellant Mr. Frazier's statements in the hearing. Ms. Songe presence wasn't required,
so her lack of being there itself isn't an issue. The dispute now did she follow the process
and his written materials says that she did. So, there is a dispute of fact between the
code, her performance in following the process and Mr. Frazier's in the appeal and so
there are some -- some issues that, unfortunately, we can't resolve tonight, we would
have to have a hearing to do that.
Hoaglun: Well, Mr. Mayor and Council Members, I'm of the mind like Council Woman
Perreault, I think in a matter of fairness to make some determine --factual determinations
of some of the things that were set out, I think it would be a matter of rehearing this -- this
issue for -- to -- to make -- to make a better determination, if you will. I don't want to set
a precedent here. I think Council Woman Strader is correct in that, but at the same time
I'm uncomfortable making a final decision at this point in time with -- with these facts that
are before us tonight that we would have to weigh more thoroughly. So, with that I would
move that we have a new public hearing scheduled -- I will take May 5th to have a
reconsideration of the Songe daycare facility.
Simison: I have a motion. Do I have a second?
Perreault: Second.
Simison: Okay. I have a motion and a second. Is there discussion on the motion?
Cavener: Mr. Nary?
Nary: Yes, sir.
Cavener: Thank you. Mr. Mayor, Mr. Nary. Just for clarification, is there any concern on
your part that the city didn't follow our process correctly?
Nary: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, Council Member Cavener, no, I don't think the
city -- the city had any error in our process. I think the question of fact is simply was the
process followed initially by Ms. Songe.
Cavener: Thank you.
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Simison: Any further discussion on the motion?
Bernt: Is May 5th -- Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: Is May 5th an appropriate date for parties involved and for -- I don't -- I don't have
an agenda in front of me, I would have to go look through my e-mails to find it. Just want
to make sure that May 5th is an adequate and appropriate date.
Weatherly: Mr. Mayor and Council Members, this is Adrienne. I just -- I -- if it requires a
public hearing -- and, Mr. Nary, if you could comment on this. If it requires re-noticing in
the newspaper, the earliest date available would be May 19th.
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: Maybe -- I know we hate substitute motions, but before I would maybe make
one, a question for Mr. Nary is if we could continue this out further -- or continue it to next
week to set a date, I think Council Member Bernt asked an appropriate question. The
whole reason why we are back here tonight is because one of the parties didn't realize
they had to be here. I don't know if I would be comfortable with us setting a date without
us at least verifying from the parties that would be involved that they would be able to be
in attendance. I just don't know from a process standpoint how we could explore that. I
don't know if -- if Mr. Frazier is on the call. Obviously, Mr. Jones is. I would -- I would
want to seek some insight from both of those parties before we set a date.
Nary: So, Mr. Mayor, I can answer Adrienne's question. I'm looking -- I was looking up
the code real quick. It does say all noticing. So, she's correct. We would have to go to
the newspaper, as well as a sign. So, we are going to require some legwork on our part
to get a sign posted, as well as a newspaper noticing. So, you probably are going to be
-- at least to May 19th.
Simison: I see Mr. Frazier is on the -- is nearby. I don't want to necessarily open this up
for conversation that we shouldn't under your direction, Mr. Nary, but I don't know if that
-- if we put out that the May 19th information -- if we could somehow get confirmation
through the chat function for Mr. Frazier and Mr. Jones and see if -- and if so get that
information now, so Council could make a determination on the motion or a substitute
that's coming.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
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Bernt: One way that we could resolve that is to set the date for May 19th and, then, have
the attendees -- or just say we are thinking about the 19th and, then, have the attendees
raise their hand if they are in agreement. There is the raise your hand option at the bottom
of the participant box where you can raise your hand in agreement.
Nary: Mr. Mayor, I don't have a concern if all we are asking them is would that be an
available date for them and we are not asking for any other testimonial type of information
from them.
Simison: Okay.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Is this -- Mr. Nary, is this going to require the applicant to fund the additional
cost of a newspaper publication and mailers?
Nary: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, Council Member Perreault, no. The city's
going to have to pay for that.
Perreault: Okay.
Hoaglun: So, Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: With Consent to the second, I would withdraw my original -- original motion and
move that we approve a request for reconsideration for Frazier Council review, H-2020-
0011, and set that for May 19th. That hearing for May 19th.
Perreault: Second.
Simison: So, I have got a revision with a first and a second. Do we have confirmation
from the two attendees by raise of hand or other function that that day appears to work
or do we just move forward without it?
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor, I think we just move forward.
Simison: Okay. Is there any discussion on the motion?
Johnson: Mr. Mayor, before discussion -- I apologize. This is Chris. We do have a raised
hand from Mr. Frazier and Mr. Jones is on the line as well and does have the ability to
speak if he chooses to confirm that.
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Simison: Well, you're in charge of -- I can't ask anyone to do anything, so if you want to
get a verbal yes from the two of them go for it.
Jones: It works for me.
Johnson: That was Mr. Jones?
Jones: Yes. Uh-huh.
Johnson: And that works for Mr. Frazier as well.
Simison: Okay. Then with that do I have any further discussion on the motion? If not --
Strider: Yeah. I -- I just want to say I think if -- if our process or the time that we require
people to respond to something and appear before us is something that we need to look
at, I think we should look at that, but to me it is a separate issue. If we followed our
process and someone didn't appear, I don't think we should be considering these. I think
-- I'm a big believer in processes and that's why I will be a no vote.
Simison: Okay. Any further conversation on the motion -- or comments, questions on the
motion? If not, I will ask the clerk to call the roll.
Roll call: Bernt, yea; Borton, abstain; Cavener, nay; Hoaglun, yea; Strader, nay;
Perreault, yea.
Simison: Motion passes. Three to two.
MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. TWO NAYS. ONE ABSTAIN.
D. Public Hearing for Lupine Cove (H-2019-0133) by Penelope
Constantikes, Riley Planning Services, Located at 4000 N.
McDermott Rd.
1. Request: Annexation of 7.09 acres of land with an R-8
zoning district; and,
2. Request: Preliminary plat consisting of 28 building lots, 7
common lots and 2 other (common driveway) lots on 7 acres
of land in the R-8 zoning district.
Simison: Thank you, everybody. Item 5-D has been requested to continue to April 28th.
But we will start off by opening Item 5-D, public hearing for Lupine Cove, H-2019-0133.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
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Bernt: I move that we -- we continue this -- this public hearing for H-2019-0133 to April
28th, 2020, with the reason that the applicant failed to post the sign.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Second.
Simison: I have a motion and a second that we continue this item to April 28th, 2020. Is
there discussion on the motion?
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: To make clarification, are we renoticing, then, everything appropriately, sign,
public notice, newspaper, etcetera?
Simison: Can I defer to Mr. Nary on this one.
Nary: Mr. Mayor, I believe all the noticing was -- except for the signage was done for
today, so the signage has now been corrected for next week, so that has been done and
-- and Ms. Riley has filed an affidavit to that effect. So, we are okay to move it a week.
Cavener: Okay.
Simison: Any further discussion? If not, all those in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed
no. The ayes have it.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
E. Public Hearing for Hill's Century Farm North (H-2019-0134) by
Martin L. Hill, Hill & Hill Properties, Located at the Southeast
Corner of S. Eagle Rd. and E. Amity Rd.
1. Request: Rezone of a total of 39.9 acres of land from the R-
8 zoning district to the C-N (4.9 acres), C-C (4.35 acres),
and R-15 (30.65 acres) zoning districts;
2. Request: Preliminary plat consisting of 137 147 building lots,
and 18 common lots and 10 other lots on 43.02 acres of land
in the R-8, R-15, C-N and C-C zoning districts;
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3. Request: Planned unit development for an age-restricted 55
and older gated community with deviations from certain
development standards; and,
4. Request: Conditional use permit for a 73,730 square foot
443-unit self-service storage facility on 3.89 acres of land in
the C-C zoning district.
Simison: Item 5-E is a public hearing for Hill Century Farm North, H-2019-0134. I will
open this public hearing with staff comments.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor, before we start.
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: As in other public hearings in the past, I have always made it known that Brighton
Corporation is one of my customers. To make it also known, I'm not their exclusive
flooring customer. They do this with other folks as well. There is a --there is a bid process
involved and since I have been on Council I have won some and I have lost some and
some I have not even been involved with the bid process at all. So, I personally feel
confident, having a clear mind and without any bias, in participating in this conversation
this evening, but I wanted to throw that out to my fellow Council Members to get their
thoughts as well.
Simison: Thank you. Council, any concerns with Councilman Bernt participating in this
public hearing? Great. Thank you. We will turn this over to staff. Sonya.
Allen: Sorry about that, Mr. Mayor and Council. Can you hear me now? Okay. The
applications before you tonight are a request for a development agreement modification,
a rezone, a preliminary plat, a planned unit development and a conditional use permit.
There were also applications for a private street and alternative compliance that have
been approved by the director. This site consists of 43 acres of land. It's zoned R-8 and
C-N and it's located off of the southeast corner of East Amity Road and South Eagle Road.
This project was annexed back in 2015 with the requirement of a development
agreement. Two subsequent amendments have been approved to the development
agreement. The Comprehensive Plan future land use map designation is mixed use
neighborhood. The applicant is requesting a modification to the existing development
agreement for Hill Century Farm Commercial to update the concept development plan
and certain provisions of the agreement to allow for the development of a self service
storage facility and retail professional office uses where medium density single family
residential uses are currently approved, consistent with the mixed use neighborhood
future land use designation. A rezone is requested of a total of 39.9 acres of land with
the R-8 zoning district to the C-N district, which is 4.9 acres, to the C-C district, which is
4.35 acres and the R-15, which is 30.65 acres consistent with the mixed use
neighborhood designation. A preliminary plat is proposed consisting of 147 building lots
and 18 common lots on 43.02 acres of land in the proposed R-8, R-15, C-N and C-C
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zoning districts. Four phases of development are proposed with the residential portion
proposing to develop in one phase. The storage facility is proposed to develop first.
Access is proposed via one public street from both South Eagle Road and East Amity
Roads. Gated private streets are proposed for security purposes with alleys and common
driveways for internal access to the attached and detached units within the north phase
of development, the Cadence portion. Twenty-five foot wide landscape street buffers are
required along Eagle and Amity Roads. A minimum of ten percent qualified open space
is required to be provided within the residential portion of the development. Sixteen point
four percent is proposed and that does not include landscaped parkways, which also
qualifies, which exceeds the minimum standards overall. A minimum of two qualified site
amenities are required. A clubhouse, swimming pool, segments of the multi-use pathway
system, an outdoor activity complex with amenities to be determined in the future are
proposed, which also exceed the minimum standards. A planned unit development for
an age restricted 55 and older gated community is proposed with a variety of housing
types and setbacks unique to the unit and site design. Deviations from certain
development standards are the following: Setbacks for the R-15 district as shown. Alleys
designed so that the entire length is visible from a private street, rather than a public street
and allowance of a through lot for the existing Hill home. Off-street parking is proposed
in accord with UDC standards. Due to the width of the private streets on-street parking
is only allowed on one side of the streets. An extra 30 spaces are proposed in the central
portion of the development next to the community center, which can accommodate guest
parking in addition to on-street parking. Concept elevations for the proposed single family
-- single level attached patio homes and detached alley access homes were submitted as
shown. A conditional use permit is requested for a 73,730 square foot, 443 units self
service storage facility on 3.89 acres of land in the C-C zoning district. Access is proposed
via driveway from Amity on the east side of the site, which also provides access to the
commercial development to the east. An emergency only access is proposed via Amity
on the west end of the site. Concept building elevations were submitted for the storage
facility as shown. Building materials consist of vertical reveal metal panels with stucco
finish, fiber cement panels with metal channel reveals and typical fascia with stone wall
accents. Structures have setbacks for modulation along Amity Road. As noted in the
development agreement modification analysis, the proposed elevations do not
demonstrate a cohesive design that is proportionate to and blends with the residential
buildings within the development as desired in the mixed use neighborhood designation.
Therefore, staff is not supportive of the proposed concept elevations. Private streets for
access to the units within the gated community were tentatively approved by the director,
as was alternative compliance to UDC 11-3F-4A-4B to allow 124 units access off private
gated streets and to UDC 11-3F-4A-6 to allow two common driveways off of private
streets. The Commission did recommend approval of this overall application. Mike
Wardle and David Turnbull, Brighton Corporation, testified in favor. No one testified in
opposition or commented. Written testimony was received from David Palumbo and Mike
Wardle, Brighton Corporation, in response to the staff report. Key issues of discussion.
Mr. Palumbo would like to see the improvements, the four lane roadway expansion to
Amity Road, completed prior to any development in this area commencing and concern
pertaining to the adequacy of parking proposed for the development. Key issues of
discussion by the Commission were as follows: Desire for the storage unit structures to
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have nice design elements, not just metal, due to its location on a prominent corner.
Question as to whether or not proposed dwelling units will be owner occupied or rental
units. Answer is there is a section of independent living units next to the assisted living
and memory care units that will be rental units for folks transitioning from a Cadence style
product or somewhere in between. Services will be shared between the assisted living
and the independent living. Other item of discussion. They were in favor of this type of
use in close proximity to the YMCA and the city park. Supportive of age qualified use in
this location due to area schools being over capacity. And, lastly, there was a suggestion
that the applicant consider an L-shape for the storage facility that would allow more
commercial retail office uses in front adjacent to Amity Road and possibly extend the
storage facility further to the east on the backside. The Commission did not make any
changes to the staff recommendation. The written testimony that's been received since
the Commission hearing was from Mike Wardle, Brighton Corporation, in response to the
Commission recommendation and I will go through that on the outstanding issues for
Council. The applicant did submit revised site and landscape plans and a response to
the Commission recommended with the following changes requested to DA provisions
and/or conditions of approval. The first was deletion of number 1-A relating to existing
DA provision 5.1 G2, which states the building in the retail -- the buildings in the retail
professional office area shown on the concept development plan shall be arranged to
create some form of common usable area, such as a plaza or green space as desired
and mixed use designated areas as set forth in the Comprehensive Plan. While staff
recognizes there is a city park and YMCA nearby, the intent of this provision is for a
common usable area to be provided in the commercial area with a commercial building
surrounding the area. Therefore, staff does not support this requested change. Second,
the applicant requested deletion of conditions 2-B, 3-C, 10-A and number 12 pertaining
to the requirement a ten foot wide multi-use pathway and associated easement along
Eagle and Amity Roads. The Parks Department is okay with deleting these conditions as
the pathways are not depicted on the pathways master plan. Third, the addition of
language to condition number 13 that would allow an exception for a building permit to be
issued for the community center prior to the private streets receiving final approval. This
is a UDC requirement 11-31F-3135 that would require approval of alternative compliance to
change or Council approval as part of the PUD exceptions to code requirements might
be considered as well. Modification to development agreement provision 5-1-E, which
requires the existing home, which is Marty Hill's, to hook up to city water and sewer
service within 60 days of services becoming available from the adjacent R-8 zoned
property per Meridian City Code 9-1-4A, to instead require the home to be hooked up to
city services within 60 days of the final platting of the estate lots. Public Works is
amenable to the requested change if Council agrees. In response to development
agreement provision 5-1 G6, which states nonresidential building should be proportional
to and blend in with residential buildings, staff recommended revised elevations be
submitted for the storage facility to comply with this provision, along with concept
elevations for the commercial buildings and independent living units that demonstrate a
cohesive design that is proportional to and blends in with the single family residential
buildings or design guidelines be submitted and included in the development agreement
that demonstrate consistency with this provision prior to the Council meeting. Rather than
revise the elevations for the storage facility, the applicant opted to submit design
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guidelines for the commercial portion of the development with photos of existing
structures and concept elevations for the future dental office, storage facility and single
family residential units, independent living units and senior living facility. And let me just
clarify this is for the commercial and residential portion of the development, not just
commercial. Staff has reviewed these guidelines and elevations and while the
commercial elevations are all very consistent in design, as are the residential elevations
separately, they do not blend with each other so far as sharing similar design elements,
other than they are mostly proportional on height, which doesn't entirely meet the intent
of this requirement. So, that is something Council will need to act on tonight. Staff will
stand for any questions.
Simison: Thank you, Sonya. Council, any questions?
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: Sonya, can you pull up kind of one of the maps of-- of the development? I just
was curious how Mr. Hill is going to access his -- his property. On the application didn't it
-- it wasn't clear to me.
Allen: Yeah. Let's see. Just went past it. The color-- right there. That will work. So, do
you see where the estate lots are kind of in the middle of that drawing? The print that
says estate lots?
Cavener: Yes.
Allen: Okay. That -- right below that is where Marty Hill's home is.
Cavener: Uh-huh.
Allen: He will be accessing his home from the north and his shop -- well, actually, this
drawing doesn't -- I believe his shop was being accessed from the east-west street to the
south, but the applicant can clarify that. It doesn't appear that there is a driveway shown
on this plan, but I think that's just an aerial. I believe he's accessing his shop from the
southeast -- or southwest. Excuse me.
Cavener: Thanks, Sonya. I'm sure the applicant will -- will address that for us.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: I was hoping Sonya or someone in the Parks Department could give more of an
overview on the pathway that they ideally would have wanted here and maybe just what
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are we getting instead? Because it seems like a pretty high traffic area. There are already
issues with pedestrians in the area. So, just some background on that.
Allen: Mr. Mayor, I'm not sure if you would like me to speak to that. I'm not sure if anyone
from Parks is in the meeting.
Simison: Garrett is here. I don't know how familiar he is with this specific thing. We can
defer to him and, if not, you can speak to it. Garrett?
White: Mr. Mayor, Members of Council, I really don't have a whole lot of information to
speak to you on this, other than the fact that, you know, it's not part of the master plan
and like Sonya had said, really, that's -- that's all I have to say.
Allen: Mr. Mayor. Previously the Parks Department was looking for a ten foot wide
pathway in this location due to the location of the city park and the YMCA in this area and
just the desire to have the nicer, wider pathway in this area and the school, of course, as
well. The applicant requested removal of the condition. When push came to shove the
Parks Department agreed that it was not on their pathways master plan, but it -- it could
be placed by Council as a provision in the development agreement if you so wish. I
believe that there is existing five foot wide sidewalks adjacent to this site along the public
streets, so if -- if that occurred that would need to be widened to ten feet.
Simison: Are there any other questions for staff at this point in time? Okay. I will ask the
applicant to come forward. I see is -- well, I'm not going to presume which -- which one
is going to be speaking, so if you could state your name and address for the record.
Wardle: Mr. Mayor -- get our technology -- Mr. Mayor, Members of Council, I don't know
if you are able to see us or not, but there are five of us in the room. This is Mike Wardle,
director of planning for Brighton Corporation, given authorization by Mr. Hill to file the
application. Also with us David Turnbull, Robert Phillips, president of Brighton
Corporation, Lars Hansen, president of Brighton Homes.
Simison: Mike, if I could stop you just for one second. We are having a real hard time
hearing you. It sounds like you are away from the microphone. If someone could get
closer. And now we cannot see you, but that's okay, but we need better audio.
Wardle: I hope, Mr. Mayor, it's better now.
Simison: More. More.
Wardle: Okay.
Simison: It got better and, then, it got really quiet.
Wardle: Again Mike Wardle, director of planning for Brighton.
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Simison: Mike, it's not loud. There you go.
Hansen: Can you hear that, Robert?
Simison: Yes, perfect.
Wardle: Okay. Mr. Mayor, once again just for the record, Mike Wardle, David Turnbull,
Robert Phillips, Lars Hansen, and Jon Wardle are in the room. I will give kind of a brief
opening. Sonya has done a great job of identifying the history of the project, which was
all annexed and zoned and given conceptual approval in 2015. The easterly portion of
the project that's identified on your screen. Hill Century Farm commercial subdivision,
that easterly half of the area north of Century Farm Subdivision was specifically
subdivided or preliminary platted and subsequent to the annexation and zoning.
Obviously, the YMCA and the elementary school are in place, as is the Hillsdale --
Hillsdale City Park. There is already Commercial service development in that area of the
commercial subdivision. Here is where we were talking about, then, would be to the
westerly portion, centered around the Cadence, with the self storage identified
immediately adjacent to the Idaho Power substation at the corner of Eagle and Amity, with
an extension of professional and retail space along Amity going easterly to the already
approved Century Farm commercial subdivision. We are in general agreement, but there
are a few tweaks that Sonya has noted in a couple of the questions that have been asked
by the Council. I want to go first of all to the pathways, so I want to go to the -- I believe
about the third -- fourth issue -- maybe the fifth slide. One more. There we go. Right.
Right. This shows the existing development area for the most part of Century Farm
Subdivision. The areas along Eagle Road and Amity in the yellow are already approved
and basically constructed with five foot sidewalks that were approved by both the Ada
County Highway District, as well as the City of Meridian in your own development process.
For instance, along Eagle Road, 3,364 linear feet of the 300 -- or 3,665 linear feet of
approved sidewalk has already been constructed along Amity Road. Six hundred and
fifty-seven of the approved 1,020 linear feet of sidewalk has been constructed. So, what
the Parks Department was requesting was a ten foot pathway in the patched pink areas
along both roadways, essentially just a quarter of a mile long in either direction, tying into
already established and approved five foot sidewalks. It just didn't make any sense for
us to do something that somebody would have to come back in the future, because we
are beyond the opportunity to widen those five foot sidewalks, so did they really
accomplish anything. When you look at the pathway plan to the right, it shows the green,
which is proposed and a lot of that now has been completed, but all of the red pathways
internal that lead from Eagle Road to the Hillsdale Park and Hillsdale Elementary School
and YMCA, those multi-use pathways, ten foot wide, have all been constructed and we
will complete the one going to the north that will tie into the existing plan. So, the city
didn't have a plan for these items. They were a quarter of a mile long each and they were,
essentially, just left there to join something that already exists that would not be improved
in the future, unless the city came back and did those improvements. So, as a result the
Parks Department agreed that having just those quarter mile segments did not seem to
make much sense in the context of their plan. Be happy to answer questions on that
particular item if you have them. If not, I will go to the next slide, which deals with Marty
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Hill's property and this goes specifically to answer the question that I believe -- I'm not
sure which Council Member asked how he would take access. You can see two arrows,
one coming from the north, essentially it goes more directly to the home, which orients
somewhat northwesterly and, then, from the cul-de-sac on the south he does have a large
shop structure. He has equipment in that. It would have the opportunity to take access
from the back. Now, the two link together, candidly, and so in theory he would have
access points from the north and from the southwest and we did note specifically in the
application that we were asking, essentially, for the opportunity for him to continue to have
access in both directions. Staff, at to the time of the Planning Commission request,
wondered if there was a plan in the future for subdividing Mr. Hill's property at some point
down the line and, obviously, Marty does not have any plans to do that, but we did show
how with the black hashed lines that those -- his large two and a half acre estate could
be broken up into at least three, potentially more, but at least three lots under the existing
structures. Any questions on that particular item? Then, Mr. Mayor, we really are down
to two issues. They relate to the items that Sonya has brought to your attention. One
being the -- what was defined as usable space in the commercial area. I want to go back
to the commercial --or to the overall site plan, which would have been the first item. There
we go. Yeah. One -- there you go. What's a little hard to anticipate at this point is how
those retail and professional office pads will develop and so one of the concepts that we
have put forward that we will, obviously, be able to share with staff subsequently. I don't
know that we can do that at this point, but at the intersection of Tavistock Way, which is
the north-south public street between the two commercial areas, there will be an
extension of the service drive from the west to the east and so we will end up with an
intersection opportunity where we can create a bit of a gathering place on any of those
four corners or perhaps all four with some type of at least a space that would afford a
sitting area, benches or something of that nature, that would give a place for gathering
within the context of that overall project, but not necessarily in the center of that project.
We do have a concept that we will provide the staff that we won't put to forth to the Council,
but there is a way that we can deal with that as long as it's anticipated that it wouldn't
have to be forced to be in the middle of the commercial areas, but could be kind of at the
junction between the two on the north-south public street that connects that along to the
south to the city park as well. So, we do have a potential solution for that item that we
will share with us staff. I'm going to ask Lars Hansen to pick the question up at the
moment.
Hansen: Lars Hansen. Do I give my address? Okay. Okay. So, with respect to this
open space that we are proposing here, this particular location is, in fact, between
commercial uses and at this implied intersection that we will have with the drive aisle in
Tavistock Avenue, it has a great opportunity to create a threshold really in a -- kind of a
sense of entry to the entirety of the project, but also as a realistic stopping point for
pedestrians that would be moving from those two commercial areas, you know, to the
park or up towards Amity. So, we see that point, that node if you will, has been a real
viable and a great opportunity to create a pedestrian oriented public experience there.
So, I think we have some good concept plans for that that would work well with the intent
of that request.
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Wardle: Mike Wardle once again. That condition could stand and I think it gives us the
opportunity to work with staff to find a solution to it and it's an opportunity that we will --
you know, we will pursue as we get to the actual physical development of the project and
have to go through the CZC and design review portion of the effort. Any questions about
that particular item? Because I think we have really one more that we need to address.
Well, Mr. Mayor, Council Members, then, going on. On page 38 of the staff report -- and
Sonya alluded to it. There was a nice big not approved stamp over the top of the
elevations proposed for the self service storage on Amity Road. The particular concern
that Sonya just articulated a few minutes ago was the blending of those particular
commercial uses with the residential. We -- we have concerns that we want to address
in the form of the design guidelines that were provided and I'm going to turn the time to
Jon Wardle and perhaps David Turnbull to talk about this particular --
Simison: Hey, Jon, we can't hear you.
Hansen: Can we try to go to page 20 of this -- of the pdfs that are up in front of you.
Right. Okay. Thanks. This is Lars Hansen again. Just wanted to speak to the
architectural -- the context here that we are working within and as you can see there is
some really high quality commercial buildings that have been constructed here in this
area, which have, you know, the fine detailing and are great, you know, additions to this
area. You know, we seek to compliment and continue with the aesthetic that's been
established in this area I think as an overarching, you know, benefit to this location. The
commercial design guidelines that we provided show that intends to continue with that
high quality design and materiality that's been present in this area. What's unique about
our site plan -- if you can just move to -- yes. Back two slides to look at the overall site
plan. Thank you. Okay. So, in looking at what we have as far as context here and also
the arrangement of the various uses -- and you can see that there is a continuity between
the structures that face Amity -- starting from the school to the corner of Amity and
Hillsdale and going out to facing on the north side, the commercial that we have along
Amity and having that continuity remain as that, you know, logical street facing element
seemed to be a good benefit to us in -- in maintaining that quality of architecture, but,
then, you know, if you approach the corner there at Eagle Road and Amity, obviously, we
have, as the primary element there, the electrical substation and as we were looking at
the layouts for this piece and trying to, you know, find ways to properly buffer and
transition from that industrial component to other more sensitive uses, having this storage
facility here as a transitional piece to the commercial made a lot of sense and, then, also
as a soft transition to the residential to the south they are backing up to one another, not
facing, you know, in any way. So, they don't share a relationship between the residential
and the storage unit in any way that they are perceived as, you know, an integrated whole,
but more the storage unit provides a transition between, again, the industrial, you know,
substation and the commercial uses. So, in as much as that's the case, you know, we
felt it was appropriate to have the storage facility emulate the architecture -- the high
quality designs that are present in the commercial uses throughout the project already.
Ideally we feel that the storage facility should be, essentially, a background building. You
know, it's well articulated and well proportioned, matching the commercial, but,
essentially, not drawing undue attention to itself with details that might be distracting or
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overly complex or ornate, for lack of a better word there. So, that was an intentional
desire to make it match with the commercial for those reasons. So, are there any
questions regarding that -- those comments?
Simison: Council, any questions? And I think I saw on the time that we are near the
applicant's end of their 15 minutes. I don't know if there is more that you guys have from
Mike -- or Mike's presentation.
Wardle: I do not have any additional items. Those were the two specifically and it's our
feeling that the design -- perhaps as we get to CZC and design review on the self storage
structures might be looking at color elements that might be more blending, but certainly
the design is consistent with what's happened throughout the community, as well as in
the project itself.
Simison: Thank you. Council?
Turnbull: Mr. Mayor, can I just interject one thing? This is David Turnbull.
Simison: Yes.
Turnbull: And -- and I appreciate that Sonya is dealing with code issues that she's trying
to address, but it's our strong opinion that--that the residential needs to reflect residential
and the commercial needs to reflect commercial and try to -- to try to make one look like
the other or -- or somehow morph into the other is just an exercise in futility and won't
yield the result that will be good for anybody, including the city.
Simison: Okay.
Turnbull: Thank you.
Simison: Thank you. Council, any questions for the applicant?
Cavener: Mr. Mayor, this is Luke.
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: I have got a question I think for -- for Fire, but it pertains to at least some of the
comments that the applicant made. I don't know if now is the appropriate time or if we
want to wait until the public hearing is closed or the public hearing part is finished.
Simison: I will leave that up to you. If you would like to ask them now go ahead.
Cavener: Mr. Mayor, I don't know if Joe Bongiorno is on or can speak, but I'm just curious
if there were any comments or considerations from Fire about how you are going to get
your trucks to be able to kind of get to and through Mr. Hill's home and shop.
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Bongiorno: Mr. Mayor and Councilman Cavener, thank you for the question. That is a
good question. I know Sonya asked -- so, the gentleman can address how we are getting
to his house and, then, obviously, we need to make sure that there is a fire hydrant nearby
and his driveway is, obviously, going to be over 150 feet long, so we are going to need to
make sure that there is a turnaround out there that's firetruck friendly that meets the code.
So, we have not discussed this project -- Mr. Hill's property specifically.
Simison: Council, any further questions at this time?
Strader: Mr. Mayor, I have a question.
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Question for Sonya and staff. It sounds like a pretty good compromise in the
context of the overall development to do some type of an enhancement at that intersection
where the road is and those two different commercial pieces meet. You know, do you
think during design review we could have a requirement that everyone get on the same
page during design review? Is that adequate to address that need for an amenity in the
commercial in your view and also considerations about the storage? And I understand,
you know, storage is often quite ugly looking, for lack of a better term, and so, hopefully,
there is a way to sort of enhance it without making it a distraction for people.
Allen: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, Council Woman Strader, I believe that we can
work with the applicant at the administrative level at certificate of zoning compliance
application on the provision of a gathering area, plaza area within the commercial portion
of the development. However, staff does need guidance on the applicant's somewhat
lack of compliance with the consistency between the residential and the commercial
elevations per our Comprehensive Plan. Staff's direction was directly from the
Comprehensive Plan, so Council can provide some direction to staff on what they would
like to see if -- if the applicant's proposed design guidelines are good, then, that's great
just, please, say so and we will -- we will go with that. If -- if you feel that the applicant
needs to provide more common design elements between the commercial and
residential, I would like that direction as well. Thank you.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Sonya, I have a -- I would like some clarification I guess from you. Is there
specifics on -- I can see from the photographs, the obvious difference between the
elevations, but can you give some more detail as to what's missing between the two, so
that we -- I guess -- I guess what I feel like is happening is that we are sort of telling the
applicant like keep sending suggestions until one looks good and, then, we will -- we will
move forward. Are we able to give the applicant some more specifics on what it is that
we are expecting and they are not meeting?
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Allen: Yes. Mr. Mayor, Council Woman Perreault, Council, the -- the Comprehensive
Plan -- one of the provisions in the Comprehensive Plan calls for nonresidential buildings
to be proportional to and blend in with residential buildings and that's in the mixed use
neighborhood designation. Mixed use areas -- typically we want to have some common
design elements to integrate the residential and the commercial development. So, that's
what we are after. Form wise, height wise, we are -- we are pretty much there I think
between the two. We don't, for instance, have single story next to three story buildings
or four story, but there are no common design elements between the residential and the
commercial.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor, a follow up if I may?
Simison: Yes, Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: Sonya, so you are -- you are talking about things like the materials that are
used, maybe some similar landscape elements -- is that generally what you are talking
about? Or like roof lines being similar?
Allen: Roof lines are big. You know, all of the commercial concept elevations are pretty
consistent with -- with their roof lines, as are the residential. There is just -- there is just
nothing to tie them together. So, it's -- it's just some sort of -- I don't want to direct the
applicant. I'm not trying to design their project. They just need to comply with the
Comprehensive Plan.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Allen: And if you don't feel that -- if you feel that they are, then -- then, you know, it's --
it's within your purview to propose --or the --excuse me -- approve their design guidelines
and concept elevations.
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: Yeah. I don't know if it was the applicant's slide or your slide, Sonya. Somebody
was showing Hillsdale -- Hillsdale Elementary and the YMCA. Can we go back to those
-- those photos?
Allen: I'm not sure if they were in the applicant's or mine.
Hoaglun: There we -- yeah. Those -- those photos there. You know, to me -- and if you
go back to the elementary school, they -- they are -- I think back one more. Yeah. There
is the elementary school. And, then, the Y was -- and the elementary school and Y are
very similar. All of them have, you know, a flat roof and steel structure or wood structure
coming out and to me it was -- they are -- they are the same, you know, for commercial
structures -- structures they were tied together. I'm not a fan of that type of style that --
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so, these -- these were built and they are in place now and now we are going to come in
and that was approved and now we want the houses to have some design elements
similar -- and I'm of the mind that I wouldn't want my house to have any of that design. I
think to me it's -- it's commercial. It's a school. It's a Y. It's, you know, a health facility
and there is other structures. I don't know how you tie that together in a way that makes
a house look attractive to a buyer. But, again, design is -- is -- is not something that there
is one way to do it and everyone likes that one way. Everyone has their different tastes,
but -- but to me I struggle with saying, oh, the houses got to look something like this or
some element of it and for this situation I just don't see it, but that's just -- that's just my
take on it.
Allen: Mr. Mayor, Council, if I may kind of respond. You know, typically -- typically in the
mixed use neighborhood designated areas they are smaller neighborhood serving type
of uses and they do more closely match the residential. A lot of them will have, you know,
pitched roof lines, rather than the flat roofs. That's what we are looking for. This -- this
development is a little different. There are larger, more commercial uses. You know, the
YMCA, the -- the medical office buildings, so it -- it's -- it is a little more difficult I think in
this situation.
Parsons: So, Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Mr. Parsons.
Parsons: Yes. If I -- if I can kind of elaborate on this discussion that I'm hearing this
evening. So, certainly this type of facility -- I think the intent that staff was trying to get
out -- and I heard some of those comments from Council Woman Perreault, is yes,
certainly building elements -- the same building materials play into that and landscaping
certainly plays into that. Color schemes play into that. And I think the applicant has --
has done a very nice job --they actually built a facility out in Paramount in their Paramount
development that included a lot of the same colors and design elements as their
commercial office buildings out there and so I think from our perspective, as you look at
the Comprehensive Plan and you -- and you see the standards or at least the guidelines
that speak to complimentary design and integration, I think that was the intent that staff
was trying to go for is making sure that color schemes and design themes, certain
architectural embellishments that are on the commercial portion of the building can also
be incorporated into the storage facility. So, it does look like it is an integrated
development and I think the applicant -- probably should ask them if that's something that
they can do with this development, because certainly the Paramount storage I think is
one of the nicer storage facility -- facilities that we have in Meridian today. It's definitely
an elevated design from what we typically see out there.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
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Perreault: So, thank you for that, Bill. I think that probably gives more clarity to -- to it
than -- than anything I have heard so far. I -- I agree with Councilman Hoaglun, which is
why I asked that question, because, obviously, commercial and residential are intended
to look a little bit different and I think the challenge for the applicant here is that there are
already large existing commercial structures and if they -- if they tie the -- their -- their
residence -- or their retail and their storage to look like the -- the residential piece, then,
now it doesn't look like the other commercial pieces that are already there and so it's
going to have to be something where they--they find this middle ground and I understand
why they might have made the commercial design similar to the other commercial projects
that are already built, to tie all the commercial and -- and the residential in separately, but
I think what Mr. Parsons just stated that the color schemes --just the general feeling that
all of this is in the same development is not the same thing as saying that the roof lines
or the -- you know, that the structure -- that the commercial structures need to look
residential and residential structures need to look commercial, which is -- it's -- I guess it
is -- it's a difficult thing to -- to interpret, but as -- as Mr. Parsons suggested, would it be
possible for us to ask the applicant if -- if there is anything more that they could do to
make all of this look like it -- at least it's part of the same project, like they have done in
Paramount?
Simison: More than happy to. We are still in the applicant question period. So, I will ask
the applicant if they would like to respond.
Perreault: Thank you.
Hansen: Hold on. Okay. Can you hear me well now?
Simison: Yes.
Hansen: This is Lars Hansen again. So, yes, I think that's a great approach would be to
make sure that the materiality is consistent on the new structures in color and -- and type.
The elevations that were proposed for the storage facility show perhaps some cooler
colors and some masonry that we could modify to be more consistent with the existing
elements. So, to bring that into similarity with the other structures would be something
we definitely would be willing to do.
Strader: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Yeah, I think that -- that would be helpful if -- especially the storage. I think we
have found in the past that the storage in particular can end up being kind of an eyesore,
but I just -- so, if Sonya has some feedback. To me the most important aspect of that --
that part of the Comprehensive Plan in this instance is that there is a good continuity with
the whole development. I think the worst thing that could happen would be for half of the
commercial that already exists look completely different than the other half of the
commercial on the same street. So, like I think as we are applying that part of the
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Comprehensive Plan, like the context is really important and I do take to heart the fact
that the residences do not face the commercial piece of the development and so I think
in this case to me -- it's just one person, but my opinion is it's more important for the whole
continuity of the whole development, as opposed to just, you know, this specific area. If
that makes sense.
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: To that point, the design guidelines that were proposed, the reference that
attached to the staff report, speak to this very issue and talk about the blending of the
colors and tones with the commercial and the storage units all together. In light of that
discussion, Sonya, is there any concern over utilizing those design guidelines as the
framework to that -- solving this issue?
Allen: Mr. Mayor, Council, I don't have any issues with that.
Borton: Yes.
Simison: Okay. Is there any further questions for the applicant or staff at this time?
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: I have one more question for staff. Something that was mentioned in the staff
report was that Council would need to approve the two accesses to the Hill property and
I did not see that in the list of outstanding issues for Council, so I wanted to find out if -- if
staff wants to make sure that we mention that in our deliberation and our motions today.
Allen: Mr. Mayor, Council, Council Woman Perreault, I believe that was part of the
planned unit development wrapped into that. So, there is no need for you to act
separately on that.
Perreault: Thank you.
Allen: It's just the outstanding issues in your hearing outline for Council are really the
ones that need to be addressed.
Simison: Okay. With that, Adrienne, did we have anyone sign up in advance the testify?
Weatherly: Mr. Mayor, we did not.
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Simison: Okay. Well, this is a public hearing. Is there anybody who is listening who
would like to provide testimony on this item? If so, you can, please, raise your hand to
alert the clerk and I will bring you in for -- for comments.
Johnson: Mr. Mayor, this is Chris. There are no hands being raised.
Simison: Okay. With that I guess I will turn it back over to the applicant to see if they
would like to make any additional comments.
Wardle: Mr. Mayor, Council Members, Mike Wardle. We don't have any additional issues.
I think they have been discussed. I think the Council's direction seems clear and hopeful
for being able to deal with these at the CZC and design review stage of the process. So,
the only one question that I would respond to was the one put to the Fire Department
relative to Mr. Hill's access. It actually will be a to and through. There would -- there
would be an ability for any vehicular access to come in the southwest corner or the north
side and actually be able to pass through the property. So, from a fire perspective there
would not be any impediment for access to and through.
Bongiorno: Awesome. Thank you.
Wardle: With that we will leave it to the Council's discussion and discretion.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: I guess at this point I will move that we close the public hearing for Hill Century
Farm North, H-2019-0134.
Strader: Second.
Simison: Have a motion and a second to close the public hearing. Is there any discussion
on the motion? If not, all those in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed nay. The ayes
have it.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
Strader: Mr. Mayor, I will make a comment.
Simison: Okay. Council Woman Strader.
Strader: Appreciate the application before us. I know they did a -- a very nice job on the
Cadence property in Paramount. I am thrilled that we are not seeing additional students
enter the West Ada School District. It's an incredibly overcrowded area and I think it's a
good use for the property. I'm supportive of the application with the caveat that during
design review they work with Planning staff to iron out the details.
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Simison: Okay. Any other comments from Council at this time?
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: Just to go over notes of what I compiled on these decision points from what I
think the collective conversation is on the outstanding issues. The DA provision 5.1 G --
two little is that talked about open space in the commercial component, that would remain
to be facilitated as discussed by the applicant, most likely on the corners of the project.
So, more of a location issue than -- so, I don't think that provision gets stricken. That's
how I took it. But the second issue with regards to the pathway, that request still is that
-- with that explanation that gets removed. The third with regards to condition number 13,
that we would approve that as part of the PUD approval as well. And, then, the last one
would -- with regards to the storage unit and blending its design, rather than providing
new elevations, the solution would be utilizing the proposed design guidelines that were
presented to facilitate the solution for the storage unit appearance. But I don't know if
that missed anything that we have all discussed.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: Mr. Borton, did you want to include something in there about Marty Hill's
connection to city water and sewer?
Borton: That's the last one. Yeah. Which it didn't sound like anyone had any objection
to from -- from our city staff.
Perreault: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Council Woman Perreault.
Perreault: The one thing that I just realized I should have asked the applicant about, but
-- so, we are going to have a 55 plus community that's backing up to a storage facility and
the -- the city code has the hours as 6:00 to 11:00 and my hope is that those retail
locations and the -- the retail that ends up going in and that -- and the storage facilities,
maybe their hours would be a little bit -- just not so late. Maybe 10:00 p.m. And even
though -- I don't have a question for the applicant, I'm wondering if we should make a
suggestion -- or I guess we could include it in a requirement that the hours not be held so
late, since it is right next to residential. What do the Council Members think about that?
I know it's very common with storage units for people to be there late.
Hoaglun: Well, Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
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Hoaglun: Having -- having dealt with other commercial ventures that were near
residential in my previous stint on Council, the hours established 6:00 to 11 :00 are pretty
standard. I don't know why we would carve out an exception there. You know, we had
an issue with the McDonald's over here on Cherry and what their hours were, so, you
know, that-- since that was the standard business hours we left it at that. I mean certainly
we can always put that in for there, but I -- I don't know why we would do some -- some
commercial or storage facilities that backup to residential --and there is quite a few. There
is one on Chinden was one that we approved that had those hours and it was against
residential. I don't know if we would want to have that disparity out there and that's --
that's my only comment on that.
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: I appreciate so much our Council Members kind of being sensitive to potential
residents and things of that nature. I -- I urge caution, though, about creating a certain
exception for a particular business. As we have seen these facilities kind of build up
around Meridian, to my understanding I don't think I have ever received a noise complaint
or a letter from a citizen who is upset about the noise that are coming out of these
buildings. They are not something where there is a lot of traffic in there on a daily basis
and my belief is that the vast majority of our citizens that are using these are going to be
using them, you know, daytime hours, on weekends, so I just think it's a dangerous
precedent for us to start carving out. If we want to take a larger look at the hours that we
want to let storage units operate, I think that's a great conversation, but picking out
something, while well intended for one particular business, is not something I think we
should -- we should look at at this time.
Simison: Council, any further comments or would someone like to proceed with a motion?
Borton: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Borton.
Borton: I will make a motion on this application. I move that we approve Item 5-E, H-
2019-0134, to include as presented in the staff report and following our discussion, which
will -- it will keep as one of the conditions that 5.1 G two little is with regards to open
common usable areas within the commercial component, which will be incorporated as
discussed by the applicant and staff in today's hearing. That the condition with regards
to the ten foot pathway be removed in light of what was presented. That condition number
13 allowing the exception for a building permit to be issued for the community center prior
to the private streets receiving final approval be permitted as part of the PUD exceptions
to the code standards. That condition 5.1 E, which requires the existing home to hook up
to city water and services within 60 -- within 60 days of service becoming available from
the adjacent R-8 zoned property and, finally, that with regards to provision 5.1 G, VI,
Roman numeral six, that the storage unit design will be consistent and subject to the
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applicant's proposed design guidelines, which are presented and attached to the staff
report for today's application and that the solution with regards to Mr. Hill's driveway and
fire access be incorporated as presented in today's hearing.
Perreault: Second.
Simison: I have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion on the motion?
Hoaglun: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Hoaglun.
Hoaglun: A question to Councilman Borton. On the 60 days for Marty Hill's hook up to
sewer and water, that allows him to hook up to city services within 60 days of the final
platting of the estate lots, is that what you wanted to --
Borton: Correct.
Hoaglun: Thank you.
Simison: All right. If there is no further comments, I will ask the clerk to call the roll.
Roll call: Bernt, yea; Borton, yea; Cavener, yea; Hoaglun, yea; Strader, yea; Perreault,
yea.
Simison: All ayes. Motion passes.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Item 6: Future Meeting Topics
Simison: Item 6, Future Meeting Topics. Do we have anything under Item 6?
Cavener: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Cavener.
Cavener: Not -- maybe a topic, but not necessarily -- I'm just curious. I noticed that the
public comment portion has kind of went away from our agenda. I assume that went
away from this virtual environment. Where we don't know when we are all going to be
back in Council chambers, my hope is that your guys' next agenda setting meeting that
we can look to -- to find a way to incorporate that in this virtual environment. I think it's a
good opportunity for our citizens to be able to provide feedback to us, ask questions while
they are watching from home.
Simison: Okay.
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Bernt: Consider it done.
Item 7: Amended Onto Agenda: Executive Session per Idaho Code 74-
206(d): To consider records that are exempt from disclosure as
provided in Chapter 1, Title 74, Idaho Code.
Simison: Is there further items? If not I will entertain a motion.
Bernt: Mr. Mayor?
Simison: Councilman Bernt.
Bernt: I move that we adjourn the meeting. Actually, no, not yet. We are going to go to
-- we are going to an Executive Session.
Simison: Correct.
Bernt: I move that we go into Executive Session per Idaho Code 74-206-(d).
Hoaglun: Second.
Simison: I have a motion and a second to go into Executive Session. Is there any
discussion on the motion?
Strader: Mr. Mayor, are we -- are we going into this pre -- the same meeting we had
previously?
Johnson: Mr. Mayor, this is Chris. Per Mr. Nary's direction, I just e-mailed you a new link
to an Executive Session. So, we will end and I will restart it, be able to go to that Executive
Session and, then, come back in the meeting here.
Simison: Okay. Perfect. Clerk will call the roll.
Roll call: Bernt, yea; Borton, yea; Cavener, yea; Hoaglun, yea; Strader, yea; Perreault,
yea.
Simison: All ayes. We will adjourn into Executive Session.
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
EXECUTIVE SESSION: (7:32 p.m. 8.04 p.m.)
Cavener: Move that we come out of Executive Session.
Hoaglun: Second.
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Simison: All in favor?
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
Cavener: Move we adjourn.
Hoaglun: Second.
Simison: All in favor?
MOTION CARRIED: ALLAYES.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 8:04 P.M.
(AUDIO RECORDING ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS)
4 / 28 / 2020
MAYOR ROBERT E. SIMISON DATE APPROVED
ATTEST:
CHRIS JOHNSON - CITY CLERK